Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement
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Cinderella157
For a clear violation of the topic ban, a five-day block is appropriate--to be precise, one week, minus two days, since that is how long it's been without any edits to the request here. Drmies (talk) 19:09, 5 July 2019 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Cinderella157
--K.e.coffman (talk) 00:07, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Cinderella157Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Cinderella157The edits are not about the Waffen-SS. They are not about the history of Germany from 1932 to 1945. This is really too long a bow to draw to construe that they are. That is my sincere belief (as I responded to KEC).[1] They are about two relatively recent events categorised as "controversies". The first being in the US, where a US congressional candidate offended people by dressing up in costume, and the second, in the UK where two (reported) neo-nazis were filmed running-off at the mouth. The ban imposed was specifically not about WW2 more broadly, as Drmies appears to be construing. There is explicitly not an interaction ban with KEC. I cannot speak to TonyBallioni's intentions (they have not been recorded) but link to this discussion.[2]. I did raise concerns regarding transparency which relate back to statements now being made. I referred to WW2 reenactment at the case request as being contradictions between KEC's actions elsewhere and what they were alleging in the subject case. TonyBallioni has identified their participation in the case. The think the same is true of Drmies. Yes, I used rollback to revert two edits which were essentially the same that had been previously reverted and for which there were comments. I forgot that there were no comments and had intended to comment that previous version (after edits by Hohum and Xx236 were of "better" weight in respect to the tag. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:05, 3 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by TonyBallioni@Drmies and Galobtter: the wording of the topic ban that passed was written by me as an uninvolved case participant, IIRC, so commenting up here. In my view, this is a violation of the sanction. I wrote it the way it was to intentionally prevent any editing related to the Nazi-era. It was drafted with this statement in mind, where Cinderella157 had compared K.e.coffman’s work to a Nazi era atrocity. Note that historical re-enactment was also included in that statement by Cinderella157, so I’m not sure how he can’t see the connection. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:07, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by Beyond My KenI would like to point out that in this comment on Cinderella157's talk page in March, Bishonen reminded C157 about their topic ban and its scope, and warns them that comments they made on ANI (in a discussion about me, to be perfectly clear) were a violation of that ban. Thus, C157 has received a prior warning. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:41, 3 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Cinderella157
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BorchePetkovski
Indef blocked as a normal admin action. Not an AE block. EdJohnston (talk) 16:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC) |
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Request concerning BorchePetkovski
I was tempted to just issue a 24 hour block after MJL made me aware of the edit, but it is already 2 days old and they only appear to edit sporadically so I'm not sure if something likely to be symbolic is best? Thryduulf (talk) 09:51, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Discussion concerning BorchePetkovskiStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by BorchePetkovskiStatement by MJL {RE: BorchePetkovski}Thank you for pinging me Thryduulf. Statement by (username)Result concerning BorchePetkovski
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Wumbolo
Wumbolo is banned from Andy Ngo and its talk page, as well as topic banned from Andy Ngo anywhere on Wikipedia. Wumbolo is further warned that future disruption in the American Politics topic area will likely result in further sanctions, up to a topic ban from the entire WP:AP2 topic area. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:33, 11 July 2019 (UTC) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Wumbolo
Page placed under 1RR & consensus required by ST47 here. Wumbolo claimed a WP:BLPSPS exemption for his edit removing this. The removal had been contested in the past. The material removed does not relate to a living person and thus WP:BLPSPS does not apply. PeterTheFourth (talk) 21:51, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Discussion concerning WumboloStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by WumboloI have self-reverted the edit. wumbolo ^^^ 07:50, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
The table contains misrepresentations of sources by NorthBySouthBaranof. (emphases in table are mine) wumbolo ^^^ 20:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC) @Dumuzid: I apologize for attacks. wumbolo ^^^ 20:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC) @Pudeo: see #9 and #10 in table. wumbolo ^^^ 20:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC) Snooganssnoogans was always the one misrepresenting sources. I have been consistent. wumbolo ^^^ 20:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC) @TonyBallioni: I can't respond fully because of the limit, but the table above should provide sufficient information. wumbolo ^^^ 20:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by GMGUsing twitter as a third party source in an article about a living person is a BLP violation. This edit is not subject to reversion restrictions, and is fairly clearly marked as an edit made under BLP. GMGtalk 22:02, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by PeterTheFourth (filer)@GreenMeansGo: I don't believe WP:BLPSPS applies, as I noted in the initial request, because the material removed does not relate to a living person. PeterTheFourth (talk) 22:16, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by EdChemI have commented at talk:Andy Ngo. Following from those comments, I recommend trouting both Wumbolo and Pete, and possibly also GMG for the argument above, and then closing this AE report with no action. Added: Full thread is here, including my corrected comments as it was PTF not W who started this AE. EdChem (talk) 04:33, 9 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by NorthBySouthBaranofRelatedly, Wumbolo is repeatedly removing reliably-sourced descriptions of the "concrete milkshake" claim as a hoax, dubious and/or false, from the Milkshaking article. They have ludicrously claimed in edit summaries, without the slightest shred of evidence, that these are Statement by DumuzidI ran in to some of this same behavior from Wumbbolo on the Antifa talk page, specifically with regard to Mr. Ngo and milkshakes. I think this person is a good editor, but needs to find a way to be a bit less WP:POINTY. Everything did seem to be framed as Wumbolo's edits vs. terrorism. They even managed to get under my skin, and I apologize for being a bit brusque in reply. That being said, if they are willing to honestly try to assume good faith and edit in a less overtly political way, I don't think a block is necessary. Then again, I'm an old softie, and often wrong. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 23:57, 10 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by cygnis insignisBoth users, the reporter and reported edit aggressively and exhibit exceptional rudeness in heated to and fros. Both seem to be spoiling for a fight, not contribute positively in my experience of them, bringing it here is just part of a campaign. cygnis insignis 00:04, 11 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by Beyond My Ken@TonyBallioni:: Consider this edit, made today, attempting to whitewash the article about Laura Loomer with the removal of sourced information. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:34, 11 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by PudeoCertainly Wumbolo shouldn't be topic banned for following WP:MOS and removing those WP:CLAIMED and WP:ALLEGED the very least. I don't understand the insistence on WP:BLPCRIME or tip-toeing whether it sounds like an assault or not. It can't be BLPCRIME, for once, because no one has been appherended or even recognized from the masked, unknown protestors. And anyone can be a part of the "Antifa" network, so there's no need to tip-toe that for BLP reasons either. You don't need to secure a conviction when there are no suspects and reliable sources have reported the attack. Wumbolo was right in describing the attack accurately per sources and removing the ALLEGEDs, but he should have left the Snopes piece intact. But all these separate things were modified in the same edits. --Pudeo (talk) 11:27, 11 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by SnooganssnoogansI don't have to time to get into this particular dispute, but I'd just like to note that this editor is problematic on all Wikipedia pages that relate to right-wing YouTube and Twitter celebrities and fads (Andy Ngo is another example). He repeatedly and often grossly misconstrues what cited sources actually say, and then edit-wars his changes into articles. Most recently, he edit-warred content not supported by the source into Ben Shapiro's article[15][16]. He also removed text that a RfC concluded should be in the Shapiro article.[17] In an attempt to get the RS noticeboard to give Ben Shapiro's website 'Daily Wire' RS status, he blatantly misrepresented how the website was covered by other news outlets[18] (and recently did the same for LifeSiteNews[19]). He also misconstrued sources on the articles for Shadow banning[20], YouTube[21], and South African farm attacks[22](where the editor was falsely claiming that RS did not report that a "white genocide" in South Africa was false[23][24]). In my opinion, this is something that should be considered a cardinal sin on Wikipedia, because it forces other Wikipedia editors to waste their time sifting through his sources, engage in discussions with him and deal with the edit-warring in good faith. It's an enormous time sink. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 18:58, 11 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by PackMecEng@TonyBallioni: Wumbolo does make a good point about BMK's personal attacks here and in edit summaries. I am concerned with your dismissal of that given our communities lack of response to such things. A new AE filing is of course not needed for that given anyone that comments here can have their conduct examined as well. PackMecEng (talk) 19:24, 11 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Wumbolo
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JohnTopShelf
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning JohnTopShelf
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Black Kite (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 13:51, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- JohnTopShelf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American_politics_2#Enforcement
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
Persistent attempts to insert negative information into Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, through gaming the 1RR/24h rule (note the timings)
However, forgetting they had already made another revert ...
- 16:44, 10/07/19 thus violating 1RR (they had also edit-warred over this statement, violating 1RR, on 2-3 July)
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- Block Log
- Blocked on 22 February 2019 for 48 hours as an Arbitration Enforcement action for edit warring on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
- Blocked on 14 March 2019 for 72 hours as a normal admin action for edit warring on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
- Blocked on 25 March 2019 for 1 week as an Arbitration Enforcement action for edit warring on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
- Blocked on 1 April 2019 for 1 month as a normal admin action for immediately continuing to add the disputed material to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
- If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)
- As above. BLP DS warning was placed on 31 August 2018, and ARBAP2 DS warning was placed on 22 February.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
- I would suggest at the minimum a topic ban from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, although stronger sanctions may be considered. Black Kite (talk) 13:51, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning JohnTopShelf
Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.
Statement by JohnTopShelf
It was stated that I have "skirted" the 1RR rule. Stated another way - I complied with the rule.
Snooganssnoogans has stated that I continue to "edit-war blatant falsehoods and unsubstantiated smears into a BLP covered by DS." That is not true. The material I inserted into the Ocasio-Cortez article regarding Pastor Rodriguez' assessment of detention facilities was true and cited to a reliable source. The statement that the Democratic Socialists of America has a long-term goal of ending capitalism is from the organization's own web site, and is also included in the Wikipedia article on the group. Characterizing this edit as a blatant falsehood and unsubstantiated smear is absurd. The real issue is that Snooganssnoogans simply reverts edits if he doesn't like the contents, even if the edits are factual and properly cited, and then accuses an editor of edit-warring if the editor attempts to re-insert the information that was reverted without a valid reason. I also don't appreciate Snooganssnoogans' abrasive statements on the article talk page or my personal talk page, accusing me of lying and fabricating, but I am not going to request any enforcement or whatever for that.
I don't have anything else to add. I trust this matter will be handled fairly.-JohnTopShelf (talk) 18:45, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by Bellezzasolo
Just to note that this page is also under enforced BRD, which seems to have been ignored by the user in question. A topic ban does seem to be in order given the history. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 13:57, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by Snooganssnoogans
This editor has been repeatedly warned about (1) DS, (2) edit-warring and (3) BLP violations, yet he continues to edit-war blatant falsehoods and unsubstantiated smears into a BLP covered by DS.[31] The editor was literally part of discussions where it was clearly pointed out how a group of pastors did not specifically say that AOC was misinforming the public[32], yet the editor edit-warred this falsehood back into the article.[33] The editor was also informed that a source did not substantiate that the Democratic Socialists of America "has a long-term goal of ending capitalism," yet repeatedly edit-warred that back into the article (see diffs provided by Black Kite). Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:08, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by EvergreenFir
Pointing out [34] ... EvergreenFir (talk) 17:33, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by Pudeo
Snooganssnoogans writes in his statement here that adding that DSA wants to abolish capitalism is a "falsehood". He also said that on JohnTopShelf's talkpage, and in an edit summary.
In fact, the DSA does want to abolish capitalism according to reliable sources. Vox [35]: Like most socialist organizations, DSA believes in the abolition of capitalism in favor of an economy run either by “the workers” or the state — though the exact specifics of “abolishing capitalism” are fiercely debated by socialists.
Slate [36]: Economically, it entails the abolition of capitalism.
The Week [37]: DSA's national platform calls for abolishing capitalism
. NPR [38]: the DSA views capitalism as an oppressive system
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JohnTopShelf should have used a better source as it was only implicit from the one used by him, but stop accusing him of posting falsehoods. You are wrong. I suggest a warning for Snoog for calling facts supported by reliable sources "falsehoods" because he wants an editor sanctioned on AE. --Pudeo (talk) 18:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Result concerning JohnTopShelf
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- So, pointing out that someone violated the spirit of a sanction means they complied with a sanction? This, which Snoogans pointed at, is indeed a misuse of the source (the pastors don't say AOC was misinforming the public). The slow edit warring is clear, and that the DSA edit was a type of smear seems to be confirmed by Bradv in this revert. So, regardless of whether we judge the timestamps to be evidence of manipulation or not, it seems to me what JohnTopShelf fully deserves a topic ban from at the very least this topic. I have not delved very deeply into their other edits, but this also is cause for concern: "the reader" doesn't need to be left in the dark about the fact that Deep State conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories. So an AP topic ban wouldn't be a crazy idea. Drmies (talk) 18:17, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Buffs
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning Buffs
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Buffs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:41, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Buffs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2 :
I think, but this is an appeal, so I'm asking for UNenforcement.
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
N/A; an appeal
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
N/A; an appeal
- If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)
Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above.Not mePreviously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above.NopePreviously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on Date by Username (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).NopeAlerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above.Nothing in my log, nothing in my talk page history ,Nothing in the Arbitration enforcement log at the timeGave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date.I've never given an alert to anyone; didn’t know I couldParticipated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date.NopeSuccessfully appealed all their own sanctions relating to the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date.Nope
Part of the problem is that none of these apply...I think...
On the Order of the Arrow talk page I saw and asked how it fell under these sanctions and was told "On the earth side of the United States and around that aforementioned timeline." This interpretation basically means anything that has existed in the US since 1932 or involves discussion since 1932. I don't think that was the intent of the original sanctions. Given that the locus of the primary dispute is regarding language used in 1915 (and earlier), I don't think it should apply. Even if it did, the length of ban is highly disproportionate.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Admin El C put Order of the Arrow under discretionary sanctions without logging it. He put also put me under a TBAN as a discretionary sanction without logging it either. He then blocked me without checking to see if I'd had the required notification. I’m asking for the ban/block to be vacated. Details and diffs below as needed. Side note: I'm not familiar with this process, so if I missed something or I've filed it incorrectly, please...be gentle, but you are free to correct any problems
- Details/links
An admin warned me not to use a collapse field on a talk page (It’s worth noting El C endorsed such actions just a few days prior, had been done to my remarks in the past with no complaint, and it was already undone/moved with no additional discussion/problems...i felt it'd been resolved). Another admin posted a warning to my talk page, but before I even saw the warning, under AE, El_C decided to increase that warning to a 6-month ban on the article for "underhanded conduct". And before I'd even had a chance to see the ban, El_C blocked me for a week for evading the ban (he later reverted it as he realized I hadn't seen it).
These sanctions were not logged until after I was banned and blocked, as required. As such, actions taken under them should be invalidated.
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Well, it's about me...so, yes, as the filer, I'm aware. Buffs (talk) 16:41, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Buffs
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Statement by Buffs
See above. Buffs (talk) 16:42, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by (username)
Result concerning Buffs
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- Pinging El C and requesting his input. Thank you. Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:39, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Buffs: for the next time (hopefully never), there is a template for appeals, {{Arbitration enforcement appeal}}. It's in the instructions. Sandstein 18:42, 12 July 2019 (UTC)