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รายนามกษัตริย์และเจ้าเมืองเชียงใหม่ (ยกเว้นช่วงที่พม่าปกครอง)
List of names of nobles and kings of Chiang Mai (elevated during Burmese rule)
ดังนี้ Thus: (พระญา = minor king equivalent to a European duke or reigning prince; may be rendered King or Lord, but Prince or Duke not customarily used.)
๑. พระญามังราย (พ.ศ.๑๘๐๔-๑๘๕๔)
1. Lord Mangrai [Meatly] (B.E. 1804-1854)
๒. พระญาไชยสงคราม(พ.ศ.๑๘๕๔-๑๘๖๘)
2. Lord Chaisongkhram [Victorious in War] (B.E. 1854-1868)
๓. พระญาแสนภู (พ.ศ.๑๘๖๘-๑๘๗๗)
3. Lord Saanphuu [100,000 Hills] (B.E. 1868-1877)
๔. พระญาคำฟู (พ.ศ.๑๘๗๗-๑๘๗๙)
4. Lord Khamfuu [Hiss] (B.E. 1877-1879)
๕. พระญาผายู (พ.ศ.๑๘๗๙-๑๘๙๘)
5. Lord Phayuu [Crag] (B.E. 1877-1894)
๖. พระญากือนา (พ.ศ.๑๘๙๘-๑๙๒๘)
6. Lord Geu-nah (B.E. 1898-1924)
๗. พระญาแสนเมืองมา (พ.ศ.๑๙๒๘-๑๙๔๔)
7. Lord Saanmeungmah [100,000 Lands Come](B.E. 1924-1944)
๘. พระญาสามฝั่งแกน (พ.ศ.๑๙๔๕-๑๙๘๔)
8. Lord Sahmfangkaan [three-bank Axis] (B.E. 1945-1988)
๙. พระญาติโลกราช (พ.ศ.๑๙๘๔-๒๐๓๐)
9. Lord Tilokarat [Protest Great World] (B.E. 1988-2030)
๑๐. พระญายอดเชียงราย (พ.ศ.๒๐๓๐-๒๐๓๘)
10. Lord Yowd Chiang Rai [Pinnacle of Chiang Rai](B.E. 2030-2038)
๑๒. พระญาเมืองเกษเกล้า
12. Lord Meuang Gasetgelah [Crowned Land]
ครั้งที่ ๑ (พ.ศ.๒๐๖๘-๒๐๘๑)
1st Time (B.E. 2068-2081)
ครั้งที่ ๒ (พ.ศ.๒๐๘๖-๒๐๘๘)
2nd Time (B.E. 2086-2088)
๑๓. ท้าวซายคำ (พ.ศ.๒๐๘๑-๒๐๘๖)
13. [ท้าว = ] King Chaiyakham [Victorious Word](B.E. 2081-2086)
๑๔. พระนางจิรประภา (พ.ศ.๒๐๘๘-๒๐๘๙)
14. Her Royal Highness Jiraprapha (Lasting Light)(B.E. 2088-2089)
๑๕. พระไชยเชษฐา (พ.ศ.๒๐๘๙-๒๐๙๐)
15. Pra Chaisedtha [Name or title = Elder Victor] (B.E. 2089-2090)
๑๖. ท้าวแม่กุ (พระเมกุฎิ) (พ.ศ.๒๐๙๔-๒๑๐๗)
16. Queen-Mother Gu (Lady Megut) (B.E. 2094-2107)
๑๗. พระนางวิสุทธเทวี (พ.ศ.๒๑๐๗-๒๑๒๑)
17. Queen Wisutthewee (B.E. 2107-2121)
เจ้าเมืองเชียงใหม่สมัยราชวงศ์กาวิละ (เจ้าเจ็ดตน)
Kahwila Dynasty Kings of Chiang Mai (Seven in all)
๑. พระเจ้ากาวิละ (พ.ศ.๒๓๒๕-๒๓๕๖)
1. King Kahwila (B.E. 2325-2356)
๒. พระยาธรรมลังกา(เจ้าเชียงใหม่ช้างเผือก) (พ.ศ.๒๓๕๙-๒๓๖๕)
(พระยา = พระญา = minor king equivalent to a duke; Lord)
2. Lord Thammalongkah (Lord Chiang Mai White Elephant) (B.E. 2359-2365)
๓. พระยาคำฝั้น(เจ้าหลวงเศรษฐี) (พ.ศ.๒๓๖๖-๒๓๖๘)
3. Lord Khamfan (Wealthy lord, or tycoon) (B.E. 2366-2369)
๔. พระยาพุทธวงศ์ (เจ้าหลวงแผ่นดินเย็น) (พ.ศ.๒๓๖๙-๒๓๘๙)
4. Lord Putthawong (Lord of the Peaceful Land) (B.E. 2368-2389)
๕. พระเจ้ามโหตรประเทศ (พ.ศ.๒๓๙๐-๒๓๙๗)
5. King Mahottaraprathet (B.E. 2390-2397)
๖. พระเจ้ากาวิโรรสสุริยวงศ์ (เจ้าชีวิตอ้าว) (พ.ศ.๒๓๙๙-๒๔๑๓)
6. King Kawirorotsuriyawong (Lord of Life!) (B.E. 2399-2413)
๗. พระเจ้าอินทรวิชยานนท์ (พ.ศ.๒๔๑๖-๒๔๓๙)
7. King Intharawichayanon (B.E. 2416-2439)
๘. พระเจ้าอินทวโรรสสุริยวงศ์ (พ.ศ.๒๔๔๔-๒๔๕๒)
8. King Inthawarorotsuriyawong (B.E. 2444-2452)
๙. เจ้าแก้วนวรัฐ (พ.ศ.๒๔๕๔-๒๔๘๒)
9. King Kaonawarat (B.E. 2454-2492)
Transferred from User Page Pawyilee12:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
After you upload the image, be sure to tag it. If you took it yourself, select the correct tag from the pull-down menu. Otherwise, without the copyright info, it'll eventually get deleted. Once you've uploaded it, use the Image tag to put it into the article. Here is an example from the Rocket Festival page for an image I submitted (also from a photo I took):
[[Image:BoonBungFai-Rockets-084.JPG|right|thumb|Rocket on ascent.]]
Hey Big Daddy, GREAT photos. You've simply got to get those two mural photos into that Rocket Festival article, in the Myth section. They're a great addition to compliment the story you put in there. If you have trouble getting them in there, let me know and I'll add them for you. On the museum entrance, I took the liberty of adding the translation of the words above the entranceway to the summary of the image. - Thaimoss02:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
==The Myth==
[ [ Image:Bangfai1.JPG|right|thumb ] ]
[ [ Image:Bangfai4.JPG|left|thumb ] ]
When the Lord Buddha was in his Bodhisatta incarnation
as King of the [[Toad]]s Phaya Kang Kok ({{lang-th|พญาคางคก}}),
etc. etc.
Just put any caption you want on the images to the right of the word "thumb", like this (need to put a'|' in there between "thumb" and the caption:
[ [ Image:Bangfai1.JPG|right|thumb|caption here ] ]
[ [ Image:Bangfai4.JPG|left|thumb|other caption here ] ]
In addition to the myth of Phaya Tan and King Toad, Yasothon also has the legend of Pha-Dang (Red Cliff), and Nang Ai (Mistress or Mrs. NOT Miss Vapor-trail), but I have only contrasting oral accounts of his-vs.-her story. Nevertheless, as Nang Ai is more-or-less Queen of the festival andPha-Dang her escort, I've also uploaded these:
Image:Rocket_Festival_Nang_Ai.jpg
Image:Rocket Festival Pha-Dang.jpg
I have found (and rougly translated) an abbreviated account of the legend [2]; and a summary[[3].
Right now I am deeply involved in untangling the legend of Phadaeng and Nang Ai Kham so I can post a summary of about 20 words to here and to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nong_Han_Lake
It's a love story of two guys and a girl, Phadaeng on one side, Phangkhi on the other, and Nang Ai Kham in the middle. I began the quest in an attempt to translate her name, only to find I'm married to her!
Thai has an expression for soul-mates who have been true lovers down through several re-births.
Lao has Nang Ai Kham and Phangki. They have been mated down through many incarnations but, no, they are not lovers. He is a hot-head who wants what he wants when he wants it, with no consideration for others, especially his wife. His name cannot be translated, but, because Lao stories depend a lot on puns involving subtle shifts in tone and vowel length, implies one who habitually destroys everything he touches; even though he is a skilled worker when he wants to be.
Her name cannot be translated, either, but implies a genuine Lao miss. She attends to her husband's everyday needs, but she will not yield one inch in an argument. When he climbs a tree and eats his fill of fruit without even so much as tossing her one, she is fed up and prays that in their next lives, he be stuck on a branch (not to be reborn, or have any children) and she be mated to someone else.
He is reborn as the son of the King of the Nagas, mythical serpents which represent both rivers and snakes. (Rivers in spate drive snakes above ground.) [The wash north of our house has flooded twice recently, and both banded kraits and black spitting cobras sought refuge with us. My Nang Ai doesn't want to yield an inch to either flood or snake, so has hired men to dam them out. The legend bodes ill for the project.]
As for Phadaeng, he is from "somewhere else". His name means Red Cliff and he's from a country with an overhanging cliff, but the legend does not specify just where. All he knows is that she is the most beautiful Lao miss in the world, and all he has to do to win her hand is win a rocket festival tournament; but he can't get it up. The only ones who can get it up are her uncles, so the contest is called off. Complications with Phangkhi ensue that would never fit in a 20-word summary, especially as they involve double and triple entendre of a very racy sort, especially after Nang Ai has a hunter kill him on the branch of a tree where he stopped to eat more fruit. Nagas of every sort arise in revenge and Phadaeng tries to flee to his own country with her, but she is lost and he pines away. He becomes a ghost leading an army of ghosts bent on revenge against the nagas, until almost everywhere is flooded, and Lake Nong Han is the result. Nobody wins and the morale of the tale is that bygones cannot be bygones, for ill-considered deeds done in the remote past will have ill-conceived outcomes down through the future. Wish me luck. Pawyilee09:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Nang Ai and Phangkhi have been fated by their Karma (TH:กรรม kam) to have been reborn throughout many past existences as a couple ordained (TH: คู่สร้าง Khusang); Lao-Isan says such a couple has a sai naen nam kiaw (TH:สายแนนนำเกี่ยว), a tie that binds tight. Stories about the couple, however, say they have not exactly been lovers; in many a past existence, she has been a dutiful wife, but would not yield an inch in an argument to anyone (TH:ไม่ยอมใคร mai yom krai); he only wanted to satisfy himself (TH: เอาแต่ใจคัวเอง ow tae jai tua eng).
Sorry, but your removal fo stuff from this page seems unfair to me. The edit summary didn't explain the reasons behind the removal. Please contact me A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Happy Editing by Snowolf(talk)CONCOI on 19:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. Good night ;-) (BTW, read this about spending too much time on wikipedia - I say this because of the hour ;-) ). When you've got time, feel free to add it. Happy Editing by Snowolf(talk)CONCOI on 20:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I did. I provided a link to Mount Doom, which redirects to Orodruin, which in turn contains the entry
Film representations
In Peter Jackson's film adaptation of The Lord of the Rings, Mount Doom was represented by Mount Ngauruhoe and Mount Ruapehu, both active volcanoes in New Zealand. In long shots the mountain is either a large model or a CGI effect, or a combination. It was not permitted to film the summit of Ngauruhoe because it is sacred to Māori of the region. However, some scenes on the slopes of Mount Doom were filmed on the slopes of another nearby volcano, Mount Ruapehu.
Big Daddy, I've been watching your updates as you've been doing them. Seems like your access to the internet is a bit limited, so I just let you plug at for a while before I do anything, or say anything. Didn't want you to think I'd quit reading! I really like where you've taken it. I'm trying to get ahold of a Thai Language book on the festival, for the same reason "to make it more scholarly". I'll let you know what I come up with. But, I definitely love what you've been doing with the article. If you compare the article history right about the time you started working on it in earnest, to the page as it exists today, you'll really see a huge improvement. Keep up the great work. - Thaimoss13:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Non-Wikipedian Asger Mollerup <macsida@hotmail.com>, author of Thai-Isan-Lao Phrasebook with sound tracks <www.thai-isan-lao.com>, is helping me now. We both have frustratingly slow connections at home, and have to go to town for ADSL. We also can't just drop by our local library for help. I've put (or left) in links to this refs without ever having read them:
Kammerer, Cornelia Ann and Tannenbaum, Nicola (1996) MERIT AND BLESSING: In Mainland Southeast Asian Comparative Perspective.. New Haven (Conneticut): Yale University.: Southeast Asia Studies (Monograph 45).. ISBN ISBN0-93869261-5.
Frank H. Winter, "The `Boun Bang Fai' Rockets of Thailand and Laos: Possible Key to determining the Spread of Rocketry in the Orient," in Lloyd H. Cornett, Jr., ed., History of Rocketry and Astronautics - Proceedings of the Twentieth and Twenty-First History Symposia of the International Academy of Astronautics, AAS History Series, Vol. 15 (Univelt Inc.: San Diego, 1993), pp. 3-24.
Coedès, George (1968). The Indianized states of Southeast Asia, tr. by Susan Brown Cowing and edited by Walter F. Vella. Honolulu: East-West Center Press.
Tossa, Wajuppa (1990). Phādāēng Nāng Ai : a translation of a Thai-Isan folk epic in verse. Includes bibliographical references. London and Toronto: Bucknell University Press. ISBN0838751393.
Gray, Paul and Ridout, Lucy. Rough Guide to Thailand. Rough Guides, 2004. ISBN1-84353-273-5.
Thanks for your addition to Blackface about Thai cultural tradition and your comments on my talk page. Good to see another person of color around the place. Diversity's a good thing. ;)
I'm originally from Louisiana. And, FYI, there the black/rural tradition is to call the elder patriarch (grandfather) of the family "Big Daddy" (likewise, "Big Momma" is reserved for grandmothers).
I don't know much about the Isan people -- just what little I skimmed on the Internet after reading your note. I didn't really see any good photos of the people, but I do consider some Southeast Asian peoples black and members of the African diaspora. Your wife very well could be a soul sista. ;)
The festival photos on your page are a gas. They remind me of some ribald tribal traditions utilizing oversized penis fetishes on the Continent.
I'm originally from Georgia: same tradition, except that Big Momma resented it as she was sensitive about her size! Tho' I thought she was the size Big Momma's are supposed to be.:) IMO, Abram could as well be translated "Big Daddy" as "Exalted Father"!
As for penis fetishes, a great many Linga, great and small, are used over here to scare off the Witch of Death, who is supposed to be frightened by them. Let two or three villagers die in the same week, and red-tipped Linga are sure to sprout off fences, often as knot tied with the two ends of a string encompassing the area protected. Some men and boys wear a Linga tied to their waists for the same reason; curiously, women and girls never do.
Isan is a name imposed on NE Thailand as part of Thaification. Isan folk south of E-W flowing Mun River are mostly of Khmer or Cambodian origin, though folks here will tell you that as if it were something shameful. Most of those along the N-S Chi River and along the Mekong are mostly Laotian, but Laos says: "The term "Laotian" does not necessarily refer to the ethnic Lao language, ethnic Lao people, language or customs, but is a political term that also includes the non-ethnic Lao groups within Laos and identifies them as "Laotian" because of their political citizenship. In a similar vein the word "Lao" can also describe the people, cuisine, language and culture of the people of Northeast Thailand Isan, Northern Thailand Chiangmai and Chiangrai who are ethnic Lao." The area is also rich with Thai_Chinese, and any one rich is assumed to be one! An odd thing here is that I know some Thai-Chinese and Lao couples, and their children look European!
But speaking of shameful, I'm currently trying to run down the many meanings of a cluster of Thai/Lao words all transcribed as 'Ai', but differing in vowel length and intonation; as I'm practically tone-deaf, I can't hear the difference! I hear one such 'Ai' used to designate a first-born son, though they say the usage is Chinese! I hear it with a different intonation to mean "You contemptible so-and-so!" One means vapor and another shy, embarrassed, ashamed -- and is the nickname of a niece who shocked everyone when she showed up in her too-young and-unmarried-mother's belly! Her parents are married now but the nickname sticks, and can be changed to Queen of the Rocket Festival just by shortening the vowel!
Where it really gets interesting is that Lao folk refer to the elder race from which they descended, or sometimes to themselves collectively, as 'Ai Lao'. But, when spoken by a Central Thai, the same identical phrase carries the same emotional content as a certain English-language word that may (or may not) relate to the Niger_River#Etymology.
There are for sure descendants of the modern African Diaspora in Southeast Asia, brought here by the English, French, Dutch and Portuguese. One of the interesting foot-notes to WWII is that a Japanese fluent in Dinka tried to get some British Imperial soldiers in Burma to change sides (they understood him clearly, but didn't change sides.) But they are likely to have donated DNA to local populations, as did members of the African Diaspora who came over for Vietnam.
There are interesting traces in the flora and fauna of an active sea-borne trade between Mainland SEA and East Africa about 3,000 years ago. There is no scientific proof that the Vietnamese and Thai Ridgeback are related to the Rhodesian Ridgeback, but they sure do look alike.
So, too, the San of South Africa and the Negrito of Southeast Asia, which includes a population in Northeastern Australia, as well as in southern Thailand. I am a fan of the 10-year-old http://andaman.org site and their Out-of-Africa Story of the human race, where it is proposed that the San and Negrito are direct descendants of the progenitors of all modern human families, a group that numbered fewer than 5,000 (and likely considerably less) that were the sole homo saps to survive a massive volcanic explosion 73,000 years ago, with only one surviving Y-DNA line, and only 3 of mtDNA (shades of Noah, his sons, and their wives!)
My wife's father's father, and his father as well, were from Gujarat, who came here with 11 other Indian merchants about the time of WWII. The same year 3,000 died in NYC in 9/11, 300,000 died in the 2001 Gujarat earthquake, and she is sure some of them were her kin. Their family name was Go-me-na (equally stressed syllables -- which my over-active imagination immediately connected to Makkhali Gosala). Gram'pa was Phadaeng to Gran'ma Ai Lao, but when he took a Thai surname, it was Phasook, Cliff of Happiness, yet another twist on an old story. One Thai expression for falling in love is falling in a hole, but I say I fell off a Cliff!Pawyilee16:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"In Thailand, actors darken their faces to portray the The Negrito of Thailand in a popular play by King Chulalongkorn (1868–1910), Ngo Pa (Thai: เงอะป่า, which has been turned into a musical and a movie.
The discussion continues under Talk:Blackface#.22Blackface_in_Thailand.22
"Ngo Pa" is the usual romanization of the Thai, but to an English speaker sounds more like "Ngaw Bah!" "Ngaw", pronounced as if choking on it, means Rambutan, from a supposed resemblance to wooly hair. The most common word used for jungle is Bah! But, it also means wild, or crazy. Now I invite readers to see an illustration taken from Fascinating Folktales of Thailand here. [[4]]
It illustrates a scene from a folk tale about Princess Rochana and Prince Sangthong, here depicted in his guise as Jao Ngo Pa. Jao Meanslord in a wide range of usage, from supreme Lord of the Universe, to Lord of a country, to house-lord (head of household), down to sarcastically implying someone (who) does not know his place. [Sangthong means Golden Conch. Let it suffice to say the conch, pronounced as in English, is an extraordinarily sacred symbol in Brahman traditions. Rochana in other contexts means writer, author, or poet, but here is simply her name. (Any resemblance to Sappho should be ignored.)]
The tale of Rochana and Sangthong/Jao-Ngo is wildly popular in Thailand and is shown in every possible medium, from shadow puppet shows, to musicals, movies and children's cartoons. Restaurants featuring "soul food" from Thailand's extreme south advertise the fact with a black cutout having a red flower for an ear that depicts Jao Ngo.
Rochana is a procelin-white princess that refuses to talk to men. Desperate to marry off his youngest daughter, her father sends embassies to six countries to seek six suitors for her hand. Six suitors come, but she refuses to see them all. Jao Ngo, who is having troubles aplenty of his own, hears about it and sends an emissary with a red flower. Intrigued, Rochana follows him to meet the coal-black man in the jungle, and immediately falls in love. The king and queen are horrified, and set a series of challenges for Jao Ngo that would daunt even a Hercules. Jao Ngo and Rochana prevail, and so marry. Jao Ngo then reveals his true self as Sangthong, with a body of gold, and it Rochana's turn to be horrified--she fell in love with a body of black.
Astute Wikipedians will note a singular lack of references for this tale beyond that one illustration, so I don't know where to put it but here, on my own Talk page, and Talk:Blackface and Talk:Culture_of_Thailand. Any suggestions, gentle readers? Pawyilee 16:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I replaced your edit to the above article. The reason you blanked most of the article is because you used the tag <ref> at the end of the reference rather than the correct </ref>. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk20:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to see a source for your assertion that the King's nickname is Ong Lek. He wasn't a king, or even heir to the throne, when he was a child, and his childhood nickname was plain Lek. (My source for this is Hutchinson's book, which refers to him as Lek throughout). I agree that almost no-one would now call the king by his nickname. Maybe his wife does, and his late sister probably did. As for Thaksin, however, he is commonly called Meow in the Thai press, and caricatured as a cat. So I am going to modify the line you added, which isn't very encyclopaedic in any case. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 17:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This "Billion Yantra" (billion as in may-you-become-a-billionare) chart may belong on the Yantra page. Or not. I found it posted on a wall in a beauty shop in Yasothon, but the owner knows nothing about it. At the bottom it appears to be attributed, not to a temple, but to a business selling amulets etc., in อ.ศรีเมืองใหม่ Amphoe Si Mueang Mai, though I'm not all sure of the translation of สำนักสงฆ์สวนหิผานางคอย.
Wow. I just realized (a month later) that I mixed up you and Sparkygravity. Very embarassing. I told him that I was creating Darwin Among the Machines instead of you. Stupid. Sorry.
Good work on Darwin Among the Machines. I think this article is well researched, well written and interesting. Forgive me for trimming it out of "AI" and "History of AI" without talking to you about it first. I realized I should tell you right after I moved it, and then, like an idiot, I mixed you and Sparkygravity up, so anyway sorry.
(The reason I trimmed it, if it isn't obvious, is that I'm trying to keep these articles centered on "What major AI textbooks and popular histories tend to mention" with enough detail so that the major themes come through.) ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 22:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure the dots aren't dot 1, dots 2-4-5? That is the number ten in English braille and sounds similar to what you are describing. I'm not sure about Thai braille. As for the markings on Thai sidewalks, they are to alert blind people that a road or other safety problem is ahead, and are not supposed to be followed. These tactile markers also exist at most Perth railway stations, and as far as I know, all around Australia, to alert blind people that they are near the edge of the platform. Ironically one of the exceptions to this is Victoria Park Train station, which is where the Association for the blind is, but there are plans to change that situation. Graham8714:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nice to see someone else working on Thai, and especially Isan articles; I was in Ubon until a couple of years ago. :) The more the better! HenryFlower11:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I've had a look at it; there's a lot of information there, which was interesting for me, but there's so little in the way of inline references that it's hard to disentangle the fact from the opinion. My other worry is that it's too western-centric, with a long section on the teaching of English - much as I'm interested in it myself, it's just one subject. I'm not sure I'm in a position to add much to this one though - what we really need is someone who can process a lot of Thai-language sources. HenryFlower11:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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With so much discussion and Henry Flower's talk page, maybe the time is right to continue the discussion on the appropriate discussion page for the article concerned. It is an article which now exists from the brief few confusing lines of the original stub, but agreed - it still needs improvement.Kudpung (talk) 18:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comments on my talk page - all feedback is most welcome. The Rocket Festival article is informative and well referenced but needs copy-editing into an encyclopedic style. As it treats a major aspect of Isan culture, it may be a suitable candidate, in edited form, for merging into the Culture section of the Isan article which has been a Featured Article on several occasions. Kudpung (talk) 12:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, you've got me there - there's nothing I know about it. I would however like to include your Rocket Festival in the culture section of the much revered article on Isan.Kudpung (talk) 13:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The rocket festival is not confined to Yasothon. It's pretty much all over Isan, that's why I asked how you would feel about your article appearing on the Isan page. It was only a suggestion - I would certainly not consider modifying or moving it without discussing it first. Kudpung (talk) 09:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I had a look at the article and the work in your sandbox. Gosh, it"s complicated stuff. To be honest, I can only write with style about things I know something about - that's why most of my contribs have long passages of text. The Lunar Calendar is a mass of information, probably what I can do is Wikify it a bit when you have a release version ready of your sandbox trial, but if all the information is in the logical order you want it too be, it's probably ok for publication. In the meantime, I'm doing stuff on all the Rhône wines. I will be in the UK from 15 May through 6 June with only a dial-up so I won't be doing much Wikying.
Kud Pung village does not have DSL, so I have an iPstar satellite connection which is quite good but rather expensive.Kudpung (talk) 09:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your vigilance. Do you know how to get the IP of people like that banned? I also heavily edited some other drivel and deleted what was totally off topic. The UK was cold and wet and I'm glad to be back. If you want any info on the iPstar broadband satellite connection, let me know. Kudpung (talk) 22:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Sir: I am surprised and honoured by your request to edit your interesting article on the Thai calendar. I have made a few minor changes; I sincerely hope that you will find them acceptable. Writtenright (talk) 22:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)Writtenright[reply]
Dear Sir: I have made a few more changes to the article on the Thai calendar. I honestly hope that I have done more good than harm, but would greatly appreciate it if you would check my most recent edits for errors. Writtenright (talk) 21:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)Writtenright[reply]
Dear Sir: I have taken the very extreme liberty of editing your user page. I do hope that you will take it in the "Thai spirit" (you know what I mean). Writtenright (talk) 22:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)Writtenright[reply]
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Hi. I've seen a lot of your nice contributions on Thailand-related articles and decided to drop by your user page. I've corrected a few spelling on tonal marks. Eakka (talk) 14:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Phuyai is ผู้ใหญ่.
From 1.), correct spelling for a village's head (Phuyai Baan) would be "ผู้ใหญ่บ้าน"
The exact chorus in Phuyailee song is "หมาน่อย หมาน่อย ธรรมดา." Factually, "หมาน้อย" is for "little dog" in Thai. But the song is sung with (quite...) North-Easterner or Isan accent. A few changes in tonal accent is the result.
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If you've got some time, could you have a look at People's Alliance for Democracy? I'm very frustrated by what I think are some blatantly POV edits made by a trio of new users: Heavens child, BasicallySo, and GoodHands. NPOV can be made to work with controversial topics, but it takes lots of eyeballs and the willingness to play by Wikipedia rules. Hopefully you can provide another set of eyeballs and give some useful 3rd party opinions! Thanks a bunch. Patiwat (talk) 06:10, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Since I think PAD are people against democracy, it would be hard for me to maintain a NPOV. Though I do agree with all of your statements on the Talk page, I'd be hard put to add to them. A succinct statement of PAD's ideological basis might help, if such has be published in succinct form. By way of minor improvement, I'd add a link to elite where that word appears in the text, and try to work in a reference to The Power Elite, a 1956 book by C. Wright Mills. "In it Mills called attention to the interwoven interests of the leaders of the military, corporate, and political elements of society and suggested that the ordinary citizen was a relatively powerless subject of manipulation by those entities." I'd link Thaksinomics where it appears in the present text, similarly link labor union, and link "state enterprise" to government-owned corporation.
2008 political crisis section introduction indeed provides insufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject, but you already know my writing style is worse.
Demand for royal intervention needs a minor edit to capitalize Prime Minister, but the second paragraph does indeed provide an un-sourced point-of-view that HM seemingly reversed himself "by calling the latest elections undemocratic". Maybe so, but exactly what did HM say in what context? The next statement in re the Supreme Court isn't sourced, either.
...the inability of rural, uneducated voters to elect a favorable Parliament due to easy vote-buying.
This is POV and not fact. An opposite POV would be that they are voting for parties that the PAD is against because those policies are better for them.
Well, no, you can't balance one POV with another one, but I'm hard put to rewrite it. I'm from Georgia (U.S. state) and know vote-buying isn't easy, and that politicos can't get a refund for votes bought but not delivered. Where I live now, people have bought the office of อ.ป.ต. township commissioner, and been run out of office, if not out of town, when the projects commissioned went bust. Evidently, a law requires them to put up big green billboards on each project with their names, along with who they commissioned for what and for how much. Interestingly, the most recent billboards carry a 2-year expiration date. And a practice that has died out entirely was that of politicos painting their names and party affiliation on สาลาริมถนน roofs, which backfired when they only served as constant reminders of who was to blame. Pawyilee (talk) 13:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Rifts behind Thailand's political crisis by Jonathon Head mentions "Chamlong Srimuang, an ascetic former military general", and "ascetic" caught my attention. We do have asceticism AND religion mixing with politics, which merits a neutral-point-of view interpolation somewhere in the article; or did I overlook it? Pawyilee (talk) 14:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
PPS: Head states, "They have now refined their argument to propose rural voters in Thailand are too poorly educated to be allowed to elect a parliament, and that it should be a largely appointed body instead." Is that a good cite? For PAD being people against democracy, that is. Pawyilee (talk) 14:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Big Daddy Lee, I'm interested in your Lao aspect of the festival. The simple reason I ordered the Thai and Lao language parenthetical references was because of the weight of the article. By that I mean that this article is fundamentally about the Rocket Festival as documented through its practice and observations in Thailand. You and I both recognize the Laotian origin of the people and culture of Isan, so there is always that question. Of course, this Isan region of Thailand is like so many other places around the world, throughout time, where the 'people' and the 'country' don't align. We could show so many examples of how the Isan 'people' are Laotian. But, in today's context, they're Thai, nationally. And, in this article, you and I have incorporated photos from Yasothon, and Roi Et and you did some great work with that stuff from the Yasothon Municipal Bang Fai Museum. You've rasied a good point about the opportunity to continue to enhance the content of this article with some information about the correlation of the festival to the 'people', and by that way, underscore the ethnic and religious backgrounds of the people of Isan. - Thaimoss (talk) 22:11, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Department of Highways (TH: กรมทางหลกวง) Asian / ASEAN Highway Route Marker is a hefty, 21MB, 18-page pdf, where p. 6 is an index map and pp. 7-14 are detailed regional maps of AH (ASEAN Highways) overlaid on the existing national highway system. PP. 16-18 have diagrams of how AH route markers will be deployed (assuming that they are.) Pawyilee (talk) 13:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Hey, Pawyilee. :) Reading your entry at the AfD, you don't say explicitly "Keep" or "Delete." Please amend your comments so that your vote can be tallied when the time comes. Thanks for stopping by and weighing in -- and happy new year! :D deeceevoice (talk) 20:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Pawyilee. I noticed that you've done a lot of edits on this article and seem to be somewhat knowledgable. I'm an active cleanup editor and noticed that this article needed a little work. I've done some extensive editing to the article to make it more readable and clarify a few things. If you could check over my work to make sure that I didn't mess up anything, I'd be most appreciative. I'm not knowledgable about the Thai calendar, so I could only go on what was there. Thanks! --Lendorien (talk) 16:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank YOU; I need all the help I can get. Your edit of Thai_lunar_calendar#Years made mine possible, and would appreciate your checking it for clarity. I'm a bit busy now and don't have the time to go over the whole article write now, but will look later to see if we can further improve it. Pawyilee (talk) 13:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Pawyilee. This article has now been considerably expanded and reedited, reassessed and promoted, but a template was added disputing the neutrality of your contribution on Thaification. Personally I can't see any issues with the neutrality, however, I do think the contrib would gain more in importance and relevance if it were transferred to the main page on Thaification which needs expanding, leaving a short mention on its influence on education, and a link to the main article. What do you think?Kudpung (talk) 22:49, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I am quite interested in the idea you are proposing on this article's talk page. Regardless, as it is a Featured Article, it would have to bide by the policies and guidelines of veriability and reliable sourcing. As such, I am going about the steps of showing explicitly that the name and function of the idol in the article are said by the subject in question. Do you think this edit has made it clear? Please share your thoughts on the talk page. Jappalang (talk) 12:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Pawyilee, this is nothing to do with Thailand (I have to change my focus from time to time), but wonder if I could impose on you for a completely unbiased review of Malvern Water.
The article that I recently split from its parent and expanded has just been tagged for POV and weasel words. As I'm generally extremely careful what I write, I can't really see any justification in the editor's comments. If you have time could you please take a look it and make any suggestions you think fit on its talk page, and/or come out in support of it. It certainly doesn't lack any notability, and it's well referenced. Many thanks. --Kudpung (talk) 05:02, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your rapid and much appreciated comments. I have rewritten parts of the article to draw focus away from the Roayal Family, and the commercialisation of the water, and placed more emphasis on Manby's hydrotherpy on which there exists an extensive Wiki article (not by me).--Kudpung (talk) 08:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I have the 'History of Anglo-Thai Relations' by Mom Luang Manich Jumsai, lots of good primary sources and lots of history from Ayutthaya-1945. The more recent stuff is quite hard to find. Anyway hope the Brits take your challenge! Sodacan (talk) 09:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just finally got around to reading the ThaiVisa thread, very interesting and entertaining to read the different opinions and histories presented. However did it ever occur to anyone to just simply ask the Thais who they prefer? Anyway I think the answer is much simpler, the issue of reparations itself is irrelevant most Thais including many in my generation (including foreign educated ones) don't know anything about the role of Thailand during WWII, and certainly not the treatment of their countries by the Allies afterwards. It simply boils down to popular history and knowledge, all Thais know that both Britain and France had the hots for their land since they first appeared from the oceans. The American on the other hand wanted nothing more than to spread a little religion and some technology (Dan Beach Bradley). During the war Churchill told Phibun to fight to the death yet gave no aid to the Siamese, the American on the other hand played with our little political games and accepted the declaration of war on the US as being voided. The 'political games' by the way was when Phibun decided to declare war on the allies and sign a peace treaty and alliance with the Japanese (this was done at Wat Phra Kaew and in front of the Emerald Buddha itself), but Pridi (who was vehemently anti-Japanese and pro-Allies) decided he needed a break and left Bangkok telling people he would not be back for months and avoided signing the declaration and the Treaty. This allowed Seni Pramoj the Siamese ambassador in Washington DC to tell Cordell Hull and Roosevelt that the document was invalid as the Regent (the de facto and de jure Head of State) did not endorse it. After accepting this tripe the American unfroze millions of dollars worth of Thai assets and handed them all to Seni to set up the Free Thai movement, of which all Thais are still very proud off (the amount of work they did is debatable, but to think that the Thais were actually capable of doing something like this was a miracle in itself). Any way during the Vietnam war the American presence was both reassuring and profitable, and many Thais have fond memory of that period of safety. However Seni's brother Kukrit Pramoj felt (and rightly so) that Thailand should not survive the communist threat based on American protection alone (Kurkit himself was rather left-wing) and the longer the Americans stay the worst the relation between Thailand and it neighbors will be. He also knew that if the Americans were so willing to abandon South Vietnam it could also do the same for Thailand (both had weak democratic governments and a strong and influential military that the US had supported). So in 1975 he asked them to leave, this had a profound effect on the Thais, my grandfather went a bought a house in Hawaii ready to emigrate if the Vietnamese were ever to invade, my uncle in the military said after being able to practice with live rounds each Thai soldiers were left with only four bullets each (after the Americans left and took everything). It was and still is a miracle that Thailand survived intact (as with all of Thai history), despite this though Thais don't feel any bitterness towards the US or Kukrit (my parents still think I was the best Prime Minister Thailand had ever had), most however have forgotten about it already. I still found it funny though that the 'farangs' argue about something many Thais could care less about, they should know by now that in Thailand its not what you say or do but what you bring that counts. Sodacan (talk) 11:46, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I understand why you don't want to be bogged down in that forum! I only participated to the extent of asking the name of a long-time British consul in Siam, but no one replied. I was at U-Tapao in 1971, and again in 1974-75. I was more interested in getting laid than anything else, yet found Thai politics fascinating. Kukrit has nothing to say about his Prime Ministery, though it was quite fascinating how he came to be PM, and how he came to leave politics - standing for election on a Thai Army base, thus ensuring his defeat! Despite being unhappy to leave, I agreed with his decision to run us Americans out. It was my understanding at the time that the US military and Thai Foreign Ministry want us out, while the US State Department and Thai military wanted us to stay. There was also talk at the time of converting the base into U-Tapao International Airport, but the Navy was digging in its heels and saying, No way!" I highly appreciated what you said about the Thai, and suppose it was true ever since Kaundinya arrived with his spear. Does it translate something like this?
The translation is very good and very true indeed. The consul you are looking for might be Mr. Thomas George Knox (his Thai wiki article โทมัส น็อกซ์), who married a Siamese lady and was very instrumental in Anglo-Siamese relations during the reign of King Mongkut. It is either him or Mr. Henry Alabaster (his Thai wiki article เฮนรี อาลาบาศเตอร์), who also married a Siamese lady and produced quite an illustrious family, his grandson is a Privy Councillor of the present King. Sodacan (talk) 11:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Both men you mention were 19th Century British diplomats; the man I'm seeking arrived in Siam right before the 20th, a lad of 18, in an abortive scheme to train low-level staff in place. He continued to serve until after WWII, and was still living when I first arrived in the 70's and read his memoir. And, thanks for the compliment on my translation! --Pawyilee (talk) 12:51, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the additions and link, the article is still in the works, don't worry, been really busy lately and just had not had the time to sit down and put down all the info together. I also have a lot of information on the Burney Treaty, again need some more time to put it down. Sodacan (talk) 13:54, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks for the article, its very interesting. Really looking forward to Anupong getting an earful from Patrick Leahy, tickets to that please! It was telling I thought when Hillary Clinton on her first visit to Asia on behalf of the new administration would go to Indonesia first, even before Singapore or Thailand. Seeing as Indonesian is now a economically and politically more stable than us. What a contrast us in 1997 and Indonesia in 1997 and now 2010 Indonesia a relatively stable democracy and Thailand in complete meltdown.
Thanks for covering for me. I had worked on it until the wee hours, exhausting both my log-in status and my patience. Please take a look at it now in my sandbox. Feel free to fiddle with it, and leave comments on any one of the relevant talk pages - I'll catch it on my watch list. BTW, I did see the movie! One thing that struck me was that there were a lot of Portuguese stand-ins, but only one had a speaking part. --Pawyilee (talk) 13:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Paw. Nice to see that you are still following the Thai articles, and thanks again for your input. I must admit I haven't been very busy on them lately except for cleaning up the inevitable spam on Pattaya stuff, etc. I've been rather busy micromanaging a Wikipedia project about my home county in the UK. There seems to be some new editors who are helping to clean up some of the Thai articles, including the one on Education. It's a shame they can't read up on Wikipedia policy before complaining about what others do. I've suggested that if they don't like the article, I can have it deleted so that they can write a new one themselves. it was probably a rather brusque comment, but some people that think a high edit count from just correcting work that other people have spent hours doing, is the path to adminship. Best regards, --Kudpung (talk) 00:39, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Paul_012 deleted images from the reverse of series 12 and 14 (they skipped 13) illustrating education in Thailand. Series 15 changed to abolishing slavery, so the older images not only are no longer current (though surviving examples are still in circulation) but I don't think their inclusion would add much to the article as presently written. So I figure, why fight it? --Pawyilee (talk) 02:47, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have deleted all your changes to the Thai royal and noble titles article. First of all I understand why you would want to put the information where you did, but apart from it being of linguistic interests and trivial coincidence, it is not correct. 'abhisit' is a word, not a title- put the definition in a dictionary not on a noble titles page. Ammat is a title, but it is a government title like Palad Krasuang or Ratamontri NOT, again not a noble title- if you want to provide the information somewhere put it in a proper page, otherwise you are encouraging to the worst kind of political discussion: trivial and personal. I am no fan of Abhisit or his crew but this is absurd. Sodacan (talk) 10:28, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm more than a bit put out that you consider a week's labour trivial, and, as soon as I've recovered, I'll remove allStyles other than Thai royal or noble to a stub. Write now I'm exhausted. --Pawyilee (talk) 12:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm really sorry about that, But you really are mistaken, I understand the excitement of the discovery of such a sweet coincidence, but it means squat. No one, even before he was born, uses the word 'abhisit' as a title, its just a word that's it. If this was a dictionary then fine, otherwise it is completely un-encyclopaedic . Same with 'ammat', it is a government title, not a courtesy title not in the same vein as 'khun' or 'prai' in anyway, much more akin to palad or senabodi (i.e. a government position). Any university educated Thai native speaker will laugh at this. Especially when you try and link this to the PM's family, it's just sad. If you can find me a source that states that apart from; social justice and democracy, one of the red shirt's beef is with Abhisit's name and the name of the title given to his ancestor then, please be my guest put it everywhere, otherwise this is just guilty by linguistic association, and really the quality of debate should be raised not lowered. Sodacan (talk) 15:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any university educated Thai native speaker will laugh at this.
Well, at least you have a handle on the problem, if only you can put yourself in the flip-flops (เกิบ)of the ones being laughed at. The red shirts' beef is not with Abhisit's name, but with the noun abhisit. Nor do they have a beef with the name of a title given to anyone's ancestor, but with people called courtiers (ammat in Thai.) Take time to click on the link for other shirts opinion of stereotypical courtiers. What I'd like to do is clarify for readers the stereotypes in play among 2010 protesters. You say prai hasn't been used since the Ayutthaya period. You obviously haven't been to Bangkok lately. If you like, I can send you the T-shirt. You also haven't been to red shirt country lately, or you'd know that university-educated Thai native speakers are fairly easy to find. And my wife, who holds a ปริญญาตี from the University of Hard Knocks, knows the meaning of abhisit and does not like it, though she's never said anything about him. Meanwhile, the subject matter of Thao, Si/Sri, Prai, Ammat, Abhisit and Abhisitchon can sit in my sandbox for all I care for as long as you care to exercise your abhisit. --Pawyilee (talk) 13:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am acutely aware of what the meaning of the words are, but you are talking about their uses as epithets and the meanings of the word in 2010, that is different from what the words use to be- then you can start an article called "List of words used by the Red shirts". But this IS different, the article, to be, is called "Thai styles other than royal or noble", the two words were and are still not styles or titles. This is academically and categorically wrong- we can email the Royal institute or a teacher of Thai language at any school, and they will tell you this is wrong. That is my problem. I don't need to put myself in anybody's flip-flops the issues at stake in these protests are not difficult to comprehend, and don't need any t-shirts- I have plenty. And I don't have an issue with your wife or anybody - just with you. I really hope that there is more laughing, especially at the stupidity of both sides- being exchanged, rather than bullets. Finally I don't wan't to exercise any right (special or otherwise), I know you are intelligent enough to see that this is the wrong issue to be fighting for and just drop it yourself. You want to clarify for the reader the stereotypes, then do it on the UDD's page and their use of the words and meanings, because I agree that it will be useful, but to presented it as some kind of academic fact is wrong, there is just no other way of stating this. Sodacan (talk) 14:36, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted, again. They are not honorifics! again this is just shoddy academic work. And you didn't even try to answer any of my arguments, stand by your research. Sodacan (talk) 09:25, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. I don't follow you. Are these your arguments?
...find me a source that states that apart from; social justice and democracy, one of the red shirt's beef is with Abhisit's name and the name of the title given to his ancestor....
Honorifics are a class of words or grammatical morphemes that encode a wide variety of social relationships between interlocutors or between interlocutors and referents.
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We need to settle this soon, or let it go forever, as I expect any day now arryathamm will end, along with electricity and web service. --Pawyilee (talk) 10:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It can be settled, it's very simple. Sadly arryathamm ended in Thailand the moment people decided to fight and die for something as dirty and as stupid as politics, the history of the 20th century should have taught all of us already that it was not worth it. Especially when so many were mislead by evil men who exploited the real and important cause of social justice and equality for political power. A political end such as a dissolution of parliament cannot achieve any of these things, they are anathema to one and the other. And for so many to have died for this and for an election, which would have happened automatically anyway in 12 months is perhaps the greatest tragedy ever to have befallen Thailand. It should never be forgotten by any Thai, that it was another Thai, who volunteered to betray his country and opened the city gates of Ayutthaya to the Burmese in the First Fall, Bayinnaung was so disgusted by this he had the man executed immediately afterwards.
This is factually correct, and such a page would be of benefit to the community. If you object to this, then state so.
*'abhisit' is a word, not a title- & "They are not honorifics!"
Again this is true, It is not a 'title' of nobility or otherwise, or even an honorific, not in the same caliber as Thao or Sri anyhow. And even if they are considered honorifics, then we should have a long list of all of them such as: E' (อี), Ai' (ไอ้).
*...find me a source that states that apart from; social justice and democracy, one of the red shirt's beef is with Abhisit's name and the name of the title given to his ancestor....
Again, since Wikipedia's entire reputation is built on sources and references, we must include all we can, I made that objection when you wished to put these definitions in the 2010 protests article and and the titles page. Abhisit's name and the name of his ancestors should be irrelevant to a neutral definition of these words, unless of course it is explained properly in a political context, and it is clearly stated so, and that they are used by only one side as epithets. In all dictionaries, an example of usage is used to help explain words, but using the person Abhisit to associate with the meaning of abhisit, in a neutral context, is clearly both misleading and ineffective to say the least.
I stated this before and we must both agree that the usage of many of words have been re-used in a political and ideological context during the recent conflict. Especially the ones we are discussing over. And if you wish to inform the reader of these then it should be made at the appropriate place not a neutral article that does not included any political background or context. Such article, although a little out of place, would be of benefit for many others who do not understand the nuances and uses of the words, like you and I do. And lets include the words weng (เหวง), which is now being used by teenagers everywhere to describe someone who speaks non-sense or speak unintelligibly, referencing directly, from the performance of Dr. Weng Tohjirakarn during his televised discussion with Abhisit. This usage was so widespread by other parts of society that it actually prompted an official reaction from Dr. Weng himself, who defended his name, saying that it was an honourable and auspicious name. เหวง แปลว่าอะไร ศัพท์ใหม่ล่าสุดของประเทศไทย
I put the little brown jug of Renu in the Sato (rice wine) article in the first place, but someone else objected that my posting appeared to be an advertisement rather than an explication of the rather amusing advertisements on such jugs, and suggested I move it to its own article. I'm happy you merged it back where it belongs, though I've gone back and re-worded it considerably. Please edit my edit, if you please! --Pawyilee (talk) 14:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for terminating with extreme prejudice. It's just that ... well, all too often, after I've done my almost-daily review of recent edits, looking for the subtler forms of vandalism and other transgressions, I seldom have much enthusiasm left over to properly address a new topic. Especially if it hasn't gotten off to a good start on its own. The article used to be drowning in (undoubtedly well-intentioned) WP:HOWTO vios, and still has some spam in its references. I worked for weeks cleaning that stuff out and reorganizing.
I've heard about dry ice for abatement, and in fact the article does need a section on professional detection and extermination techniques. Actually, I think it used to mention dry ice treatment. However, the fact that bedbugs (and their eggs) can be killed by freezing (and perhaps with CO2 atmosphere saturation) is something you can infer from the biology section. That's how I left it after nuking everything how-to related.
Dry ice treatment is fairly new, and of uncertain value to most people. ("New", by itself, isn't bad -- the use of dogs for sniffing out nests is new. But it's also apparently very effective.) The solid, proven, mainstream treatments ought to get first priority.
Still, if you put in a section on treatments that only mentioned dry ice, and kept it brief (please don't do the whole journalistic who-what-when-where-why, it makes it sound even more spammy), and with WP:RS-compliant sourcing, I think it would be OK. I might tag it as WP:UNDUE. But not to get it deleted, really. More to get other, more worthy stuff mentioned in the same section. Yakushima (talk) 05:53, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You're right about how I misread the article -- it's not dry ice. It does, however, refer to snow, so there's a solid form in there.
As for your other inquiry about bedbug management, feel free to contact me by e-mail (pretty easily found if you look at my user page and follow the resume link at the bottom.) Yakushima (talk)
Well, if mentioning the USMC reading list in Starship Troopers is fair, then saying something about it in Ender's Game should be fine. It's funny how the reading list recommends it from PFC up a few grades, stops, then it reappears at the officer's candidate level. Yakushima (talk) 14:01, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I added something about this at Ender's Game, in the Critical Reception section. Nice balance to the peacenik lit-crit stuff in the paragraph just before it, come to think of it. Though inevitably some will object to the Marines getting the last word. (Hey, of course they do. They are better armed than college professors!) Take a look, I've probably done something wrong. Yakushima (talk) 14:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I wanted to be sure to let you know directly that I just left a reply to your comments on the above subject on the talk page of the Camp Douglas (Chicago) article. I appreciate your remarks, especially because you correctly pointed out some problems with my last revision, and your approach to the matter. I leave my remarks from the discussion page in the article again here for convenience:
I will restore the sentence to the text. I moved it to a footnote because I could not follow the link and verify the statement. Complete deletion did not seem called for since I thought it likely to be accurate. I thought it might be better to park the statement below until I could verify it. Otherwise, since I made substantial additions to the article, I might be giving it some prominence without having a source I could find. Although I think I am about finished with my edits on this article, I had not thought I was finished with that statement or the article as a whole, which needs at least a little more editing. I have been working on the article for some weeks and have thought that I could put up some good revisions without waiting until I had an end product. Of course, that does not mean others would not be interested in the article in the meantime, which is easy to lose sight of when one is working on it alone. In any event, I have tried to find the source again and just have been able to follow the link to the source article. I am not sure why that did not work for me before but perhaps I reached the linked page and for some reason thought it was a dead end. The bottom line is that for whatever reason I did not find the source before, wanted to be cautious about either leaving the statement in or taking it out entirely, but had not thought I had reached a conclusion on that point or on my final wording or arrangement of that sentence. There was no way for anyone else to know that, of course, and I probably should have put up another note here. The Camp Douglas conspiracy probably could be a separate article with a briefer summary here, but I am not sure I want to take that on at this time.
You are perfectly correct about the first paragraph and I will rewrite it. I tried to break up a long sentence and also to add all the uses of the camp to the introductory paragraph. I needed to allow time to let the most recent revision sink in and then to revise it rather than jumping on it hurriedly when I made the previous changes. I got the information about the various uses of the camp over the course of the war into the paragraph but I agree that it does not read well at all. The previous version was probably better even though it too needed revision. I would like to think I would have changed the current poorly worded paragraph the next time I read through the article but it is helpful to have such things pointed out. I think that the old saying about it being harder to proofread one's own work than someone else's work is often true. The need for change here looks rather obvious.
As to the difference between footnotes and references, I suppose I have not been doing this long enough for the fine points to have sunk in. I believe I have seen a number of articles set up this way but perhaps my recollection is wrong or those particular articles were not set up right. My range of experience is still small. (I did not start this article so I do not know how it was originally set up. It is probably not all that important to go back and look because I have used the current format here in any event.) I will make any change that is required by the style manual or policy or even that I understand to be preferable. I will look at the help page and take the initiative on it but if I think that a change is simply preferable, I may wait for more specific direction.
I changed the first paragraph and reinstated the hell in a hand basket sentence. I read the footnote section to allow both types of footnotes but to prefer separating the substantive ones from the citations. I only have a few of the former type in the article. I think I would like to leave that information in the footnotes rather than incorporate it into the text. It is related and of interest but something of a tangent. If I read it correctly and have tested it correctly, citations can not be put into substantive footnotes and be generated automatically with the main group of references. I think I can work around that but it will take a little time because I have several references that I need to be sure to preserve in the main list. I will do it to try to get the two types of notes in line with the suggested style as I understand it. And thanks for your Air Force service.Donner60 (talk) 04:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Battle of Griswoldville; correct point, inaccurate source, better source
See my reply to your comment on the Battle of Griswoldville talk page. I won't repeat it all here but the nutshell version is that your point is right but your web site source appears to be inaccurate. I think it is only by chance that it cites a figure in the ball park for Union Army soldiers over the age of 44 (but somewhat off if you include 44 year olds). You will see the error; they used the figure just for 44 year olds and ignored the older ages. A worse error is made for the soldiers age 26 to 43, I note what I think is a better source for your point, which is the 1 million enlistment study itself, properly read and interpreted.Donner60 (talk) 08:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The best option is probably Google - if there are no interwiki links. Searching on "Phra Mae Thorani" site:wikipedia.org in Google shows this, which includes an article on Spanish Wikipedia that mentions that name - es:Gea - but they don't seem to have an actual article on the person; it is a red link.
You could also search on "พระแม่ธรณี" - ie this - but the first 10 pages of those hits seem to be just Thai Wikipedia.
So...it would seem there aren't articles on other Wiki languages on that topic, really; unless you can find others in Google. Chzz ► 14:33, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello, I have taken the liberty to reverse some changes you made to the Democrat Party's article.
Leader of the Opposition back to Leader. Whilst Abhisit is currently Leader of the Opposition, this is not a position specific to the Party but is a constitutional position held by the leader of the second largest party (which just so happens to be the Democrat Party). As the infobox is related specifically to the Democrat Party, I do not see the need to intertwine constitutional roles that might be held by persons within the party (this is standard throughout Wikipedia: Conservative Party (UK) lists David Cameron as Leader and not Prime Minister even though he is the Prime Minister of the UK and at Labour Party (UK) Ed Miliband is also Leader even though he also happens to be the Leader of HM Loyal Opposition).
Removing reference to Abhisit's resignation from the first paragraph and returning 'former leader' to 'current leader' and 'was former' to 'is former'. Mentioning Abhisit's resignation, as he has been re-elected as leader, is not related to the party as it currently stands but is better served elsewhere (and, indeed, is mentioned elsewhere in the article).
From the second paragraph, removing your mention of the seats the party won and the fact Abhisit resigned (this was already present in the '2011 general election' section.
I also removed the 'Party Leadership' section as it conveyed nothing more than the infobox at the top.
I removed the "controversy" stuff you added to Solar panel. None of that was actually controversy about solar panels themselves; rather, it was about companies that make solar panels. That would be like adding info about the various lawsuits McDonalds has faced to Hamburger, or adding information about GM's bankruptcy and bailout to automobile. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. You might like to take a look at the guidelines at Wikipedia:Piped link. In particular, links should lead to what the titles suggest. When [[Bangkok]] is linked, the reader would expect to be taken to the beginning of the article. If specific linking to the section on 2011 floods is needed, the link should inform the reader where it is pointing to, e.g. [[Bangkok#2011 floods|2011 flooding in Bangkok]]. Instead of [[Pridi Banomyong#Free Thai movement|Pridi]], simply link to [[Pridi Banomyong|Pridi]], or properly describe the target, e.g. [[Pridi Banomyong#Free Thai movement|Pridi's involvement in the Free Thai Movement]]. When mentioning the Air Force Base in Nakhon Ratchasima, don't simply pipe it as [[Korat Royal Thai Air Force Base|Nakhon Ratchasima]], but give it as the [[Korat Royal Thai Air Force Base|Air Force base in Nakhon Ratchasima]] or the [[Korat Royal Thai Air Force Base|Air Force base]] in [[Nakhon Ratchasima Province|Nakhon Ratchasima]]. Thanks. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:14, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I appreciate your help.Do I need to go back and make the suggested changes, or did you already do that?
Please tell me what you think of the opening paragraph you now get when you click on Siam. Though I wrote it myself, I don't like it and think a better editor could make it much more concise.
Don't see instructions on how, and couldn't do it myself as I don't have the bandwidth. It took half an hour to download my copy at a high-speed Internet cafe in town. The Notability (books) criteria you directed me to go a loooooooong way towards rejecting most reference books. --Pawyilee (talk) 11:17, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've not found any useful information there yet. Impressions is really two books in one, as it includes and abridged edition of of impressions of British Malaya. I've already posted a now-redlinked notice of the book on several Thai-related articles that could benefit, but I'm not going to live long enough to add actual material from the book to more than a few articles it could help. Damned if I understand why a brief article can't find room at Wkipedia! --Pawyilee (talk) 11:28, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I left Anderson AFB in Guam in 1973.....I was the ten year old kid at the airport anxiously waiting to breath air I couldn't feel as I moved (the most humid place I ever experianced...for two years) LOL!--Amadscientist (talk) 05:46, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
...And depending on what time of the year that was....your pay stubs might have had my dads name on them ;)!--Amadscientist (talk) 05:49, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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This is fascinating. I only wish I had the ability, or the opportunity to ask, someone with enough contextual knowledge to explain it to me. Or rather, to confirm my understanding. I love WhoIs records. Please pardon the random and unsolicited aspect of this note. I am visiting on a different mission, but was irresistibly pulled into this sub-heading due to my curiosity. --FeralOink (talk) 09:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My thought is that the article would be easier to write if Siamese invasion of Kedah existed. And it should exist, anyway. In particular the previous involvement of the East India Company is pretty much essential background for Crawfurd's interests; and it occurred in 1821. So, how would you like to proceed? There is a book by Bonney that is highly relevant; the Google Books view is only snippet, but I happen to have had it on my shelves for a very long time. Crawfurd is cited about 10 times. I could just start a draft in the next few days, and we could see how it looked. Charles Matthews (talk) 17:58, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I changed Events to Siamese Invasion of Kedah in my WIP, but don't enough time or material to turn it into a proper military or police action article. I may take a break until the end of the week. Give me a link if you start your own WIP. --Pawyilee (talk) 16:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but Roberts, like me, was a stickler for trivial definitions, and he has me changing articles all over the place. Besides the link to your article, there's the Traditional Burmese calendar year he cites in the treaty text (when the Burmese and Siamese were mortal enemies;) definitions of the Siamese inch and fathom; a totally forgotten name for Bangkok (which he spells Bang-kok, thus pinning it to Olive-Landing) in the History_of_Bangkok#Rattanakosin early era; etc. etc. etc. Plus, like me, he was a know-it-all A-hole. --Pawyilee (talk) 12:08, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I have deleted almost all of your expansion to Banyan merchants, sorry. I know that you have been around for ages, but have you ever read WP:QUOTEFARM? Sure, it is an essay but I think that you will find that it has a wide base of support. What I didn't do was tag the Hobson-Jobson dictionary definition, but I would prefer a much more modern source because there were some rather peculiar philological things going on around that time and generally we seem to avoid using H-J in Indian society articles etc. - Sitush (talk) 04:11, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was utterly ignorant in my understanding of Wikipedia designation for that particular nationality. Let me re-state that sentence: My ignorance was not limited to Wikipedia, but extended to U.S. State Department and global passport and immigration naming standards as well. Apparently, Wikipedia's usage is consistent with such standards. It is a particularly egregious mistake on my part, given that my nationality is the same as yours.
Please forgive me for the tone of voice used in the reason field, regarding my edit to philanthropist Brewster Kahle's biography article? He is a hero, in my eyes, as he contributes something of inestimable value, with virtually no public recognition or acclaim, and does so without remuneration.
Also, thank you so much for your message on my talk page. I am appreciative. If it were not for your considerate behavior, taking the time to advise me of the proper naming conventions for nationality, I potentially would have made other erroneous edits (fortunately, I had not done so yet). Many others would not have bothered to be so kind as to inform me. I will re-check my work, and ensure that the prior nationality in question is reinstated per your original work. --FeralOink (talk) 09:55, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was criticizing neither your nor any other entity's choice for designating the nationality of USA citizens, merely informing you that Thai Immigration uses [the Thai spelling of] American for such. I'm also sorry that my immediate family keeps feral pigs captive, but I have no control over that, either. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding.--Pawyilee (talk) 12:05, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
PS I'm not going to back-track to every instance, but in future I'll use the more accurate United States instead of American, as the former never describes any other United Statean, while latter could be applied to just about any Western Hemispherean; however, I won't free the pigs as there is no place left around where I live for them to feral. --Pawyilee (talk) 15:41, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You are such a sweetheart! Thank you so much for your friendly happy pleasant response, and recognition for my love of piggies. I laughed about what you said about no place being available for your family's piggies to feral. Such a lovely disposition you have! Thank you ;o) --FeralOink (talk) 11:05, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello back, Mr. RJFF. TIT: This is Thailand, where reliable sources simply disappear. Tthe orphaned image was of an older note that was swiftly replaced, accompanied by some fiddling with the series number, so it truly is orphaned. It was issued to honor Rama V's education reforms, moving primary responsibility from monks to the public sphere, so the intent was the modernization of the Thai people, not "Thaification" as such. Still, as it had been customary, not just in Thailand but everywhere in the region, for both monks and imams to be called teachers, most new schools were constructed on holy grounds, or pupils assembled in the meeting halls also used for religious instruction. Down by Pattaya, and most likely other places with a significant Muslim population, Muslim pupils assembled in masjids or adjacent structure. But the note quickly became an embarrassment when insurgent pupils - a soccer team that had been armed and sent to attack the army - took refuge in their mosque where the army slaughtered them. Other insurgents attacked teachers and schools as emblems of Thaification, though I concede I haven't read what they were doing to 500-baht notes, only noted that the design changed. The phenomenon also occurs elsewhere as attacks on emblems of Westerniztion, but the only scholarly article I've read so far, explaines why a parking lot attendant could be killed simply for wearing a uniform, so I concede your point. —Pawyilee (talk) 15:22, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think this issue is only a margin phenomenon to the topic of Thaification. The important manifestations of Thaification are actually well-documented by English-language reliable sources (books that can be found in university libraries and that will not easily "disappear") and the article should focus on them. Btw, I assume you intended to write Pattani (Not too many Muslims in Pattaya, are there?) Kind regards. --RJFF (talk) 16:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There are a great many Muslims in Pattaya, which has an impressive mosque, a Muslim university and fielded a Muslim candidate for mayor. My previous wife grew up near there where she attended school on her temple ground, while her Muslim girlfriend attended at the mosque, which in those days was quite small, and resembled a State-side country church, which caused me to stop and stare. A local Muslim merchant also lectured me on the finer points of being a Muslim. But, I have no access to universities, or to English-language articles except for what I can get over the Internet with a slooooooow connection. As for the orphan, let's just kick that cur to the curb. —Pawyilee (talk) 17:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I mean I see where the source is coming from, but the vast majority of those deaths (according to the derivation sourced to R J Rummel on List of ongoing military conflicts) are from North Korea killing its own citizens, and much as they often happen together, war and genocide aren't the same thing. The war in Congo is regarded as a war, but Korea is mostly regarded as political; I suppose you could characterise it as a cold war, but that still doesn't mean Kim Jong-Il killing millions of his own people counts as wartime casualties. Herr Gruber (talk) 13:19, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Paw.! As I gathered you're the main author, I dropped a question on the article DP. Can you cast a glance on it ? Thanks beforehand, t.y. Arapaima (talk) 09:04, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable journal. Has published only a handful of articles (plus some notes and editorials) in its 7-year existence. No independent sources, not indexed in any selective major database. Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NJournals.
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Dump it. I only created it as a quick way to determe if anyone gives a flying fish about globility studies; you have graciously demonstrated that few, if any, do. (My randy kitty has left off nibbling my toes, I think because pussy is now in season.) --Pawyilee (talk) 05:10, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Khmu people have only User:Kwamikagami with a registered account, whom I asked for advice as to what I should do with the following:
Murdoch, John B. (1974). "The 1901-1902 Holy Man's Rebellion"(free). Journal of the Siam Society. JSS Vol.62.1 (digital). Siam Heritage Trust: image 2. Retrieved April 2, 2013. Footnote 8) 'Kha' is the common, though somewhat pejorative, term used for the Austroasiatic tribal people of Northeast Thailand, Laos, and Viet-nam. I use it here because it is common parlance in the literature and for lack of a better term.{{cite journal}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |nopp= (help)
Lan_Xang#McCarthy.27s_account_of_1894: "He waited a few days and then pierced another, when a black man issued forth, who became the progenitor of all the Ka Che, or Kamu."
I implore your advice before making any changes to the existing article. Addition of the term would entail changing Kha from a redirect to a disambiguation, which would then need numerous additions for similar-sounding Thai words with the same transliteration, but different Thai spellings and meanings. It would also call for an addition to Racial_slurs#K.
Sorry, I'm really not the person to ask. You might want to ask editors watching articles on related topics. The page is only on my watch list because of some nationalistic nonsense that was repeatedly added to it. — kwami (talk) 00:29, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Now you've made matters worse! Before proceeding, I'll have to check the "nationalistic nonsense." Khmu, or "Kha," are a native grouping without a nation or national identity, so "nationalistic nonsense" would have to come from some national who is not a native—or only "native" by modern legalistic definitions. I take it you didn't read the PDF, which summarizes how difficult the concept is.} —
I didn't mean nation in the sense of a nation state, but in the sense of an ethnicity: see the intro to nation. There was an editor who kept insisting that the Khmu' have been in SE Asia for 40,000 years and were the ancestors of all the other Mon–Khmer peoples – that is, nonsense based on an attempt to promote a particular nation.
If the Khmu' did not traditionally have a national identity (that is, if they had no strong concept of the Khmu' people, and didn't differentiate Khmu' tribes from tribes speaking other languages, like the Igbo once didn't), then I suspect that by now they have come to have a concept of a Khmu' people, or at least that this one editor has. — kwami (talk) 22:45, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Chiang and Wiang need in-line linking in Mueang, as there is no other article for the terms. Including the geographic locations listed would make the latter too long without adding a commensurate value. --Pawyilee (talk) 14:58, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
^Raendchen, Jana (October 10, 2005). "The socio-political and administrative organisation of müang in the light of Lao historical manuscripts"(PDF 316 KB). In paper 31 (ed.). The Literary Heritage of Laos: Preservation, Dissemination and Research Perspectives, Vientiane: National Library of Laos. The Literary Heritage of Laos Conference, 2005. Website content written by Harald Hundius and David Wharton, Lao translation by Oudomphone Bounyavong, edited by Harald Hundius. Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin Preußischer Kulturbesitz: Digital Library of Lao Manuscripts. pp. 401–420. Retrieved September 12, 2013. The use of the word müang is of special historic interest for the Lao; in particular for their traditional socio-political and administrative organisation, and the formation of their early (power) states.{{cite conference}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |month= (help); External link in |conferenceurl= (help); Unknown parameter |booktitle= ignored (|book-title= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |conferenceurl= ignored (|conference-url= suggested) (help)CS1 maint: numeric names: editors list (link)
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The article is about a person. It appears that your addition is about the region. That is why I doubt its relevance? Does the book mention him? If so, mention the relevant pages and it is a useful addition to the page. Pete unseth (talk) 12:58, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Henceforth, do not make further edits to this article unless you know exactly what you are doing. I've undone a couple of your edits as they impacted very negatively on readability. Unless you are intimately acquainted with the subject matter, please DISCUSS rather than MAKE possible edits.
A case in point is your assertion re: a family of silk weavers being descendants of Sultan Sulaiman Shah. You've obviously not looked at the section I've headlined "The Singora Legacy". This section links to the following reference:
Mandala (Southeast Asian political model) explains power relationship better than English word vassal, but your point is well-taken with regards to verbosity. I lack the skill to merge reference to "circles of power" into your text. Consider pipe-linking to vassal, or at least include it in See also. Same for parenthetical reference to Malay styles and titles with regards to the city's founder's title "Dato." Note, too, I piped the Java he fled to Java's Colonial periods, which gives the setting Mongol fled. As to the silk weaver's reference, I cannot sight-read Thai, but must "decode" it; nevertheless, Thai silk explains what they were weaving, even if it lacks a reference to weaving in Surat Thani. Rather than make any more changes there, I'll do as you suggest and make suggests on the talk page. I would have done that anyway, had you responded to my first suggestion there which you still have not done. Nor can I make suggestions on your talk page, as you have yet to open an account and set one up.—Pawyilee (talk) 08:50, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ha! Good question. What's happening here is that you're placing too much trust in Wikipedia! Chavalit Yongchaiyudh is actually one of the best known descendants of Sultan Sulaiman Shah. Look again at the Singora legacy. The reference pertaining to Chavalit Yongchaiyudh is number 24. It's the Songklanakarin Journal of Social Sciences & Humanities. It's all in Thai, however.
This is a PHD thesis written by a Thai student in England. It's in English:
See page 82. A sentence reads "Additionally, General Chavalit Yongchaiyut, a retired army commander and former prime minister, who is still active as a politician, is descended from another Persian family, that of Sultan Sulaiman (Jitmuad 1998)". Notice the reference to Jitmuad. This is the one I've used (ie, the Songklanakarin Journal). Perhaps it would be better to use this English language reference rather than the Thai reference I'm currently using, but I'm concerned about the possibility of link rot.
OK -- I've just made some more chabges. For the Singora legacy, I've used the English language PHD thesis as my source. I believe the link will be stable. This is a good source as it mentions that the mother of King Rama III was also descended from Sultan Sulaiman. I hope you'll now find everything a bit clearer. ( Singora (talk) 11:18, 22 March 2014 (UTC) )[reply]
WebCite, not to be confused with "website," fights link rot. It is privately funded and I'd greatly appreciate your giving them a PayPal donation, which is my sole reason for having a PayPal account. It is a great way to preserve theses, which are often taken down by institutions that initially published them. WebCite is blocked by many Thai government sites, which seem to have an aversion to being held accountable to history, even for seemingly innocuous reports, such as the lineage of Abhisit Vejjajiva. —Pawyilee (talk) 13:00, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again. I reverted to your Dato link. I'm not sure why I actually removed it! As for putting a link to Mandala (Southeast Asian political model), I have to say that you really must forget this garbage. Take a look at any academic narrative discussing the southern peninsular states and you'll only ever see these terms mentioned:
My Sultanate of Singgora article includes references to each of the above terms. No one but no one ever talks about Mandala Asian Political Horse Crap. Seriously, no one!
I submitted the article for Featured Article review. I guess I'll just have to wait and see what happens next.
Out of curiosity, have I come across you before on a forum? I notice the comments on your user page re: Vietnam and U Tapao Royal Thai Navy Air Base. If you are who I think you might be, you may remember something unusual about my girlfriend's surname. Finally, why would anyone have a problem with Abhisit's family history?
garbage? You're proposing the article for deletion? And, no, I've never heard of you or your girlfriend outside of these talk pages, and beginning to wish I'd never heard of Singgora! —Pawyilee (talk) 12:08, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I tried your WebCite recommendation and it worked. Thanks. I've archived one of the PHD theses my article references. In due course I'll archive other important web links, too.
I submitted the article for a FEATURED ARTICLE Review, and thus far (after three days) no one has commented on anything. What a load of bollocks! I'll just carry on writing a proper article for the Journal of the Siam Society. I can really see now why experts don't waste their time with Wikipedia.( Singora (talk) 16:37, 27 March 2014 (UTC) )[reply]
My apologies, but I have just completed an edit of German cockroach that included a large proportion of factual, reference and linking. When I saved it I found that you had just edited the article as well, but mainly for wording etc. I tried at first to merge the two versions, but the differences were too extensive, so most of the text that differed I ended up by replacing. I am willing to discus any corrections that you wish to re-instate. Thanks for your understanding. JonRichfield (talk) 09:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Project 404 was given its name as a means of disguise. To the U. S. Air Force, numbered projects were logistical missions. It was thought no one would notice that Project 404 was actually tasked to wage a covert war.
I know of no reliable source for this info. I only know it because I was one of the Project 404 personnel in Laos. My personal experience is thus, in WP rules, the notorious and dreaded "Original research".Georgejdorner (talk) 18:05, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wasn't involved, but know what you are saying. I think it ironic that '404' now means page not found! You can, however, note your OR on applicable talk pages: check all relevant Talk pages to see where others have done so.
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