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January 17

Some question

I want to create an explaining page for European Business School providing links to wikipedia-articles of the corresponding european business schools and create some articles for them. But the bot won't let me? How do I mark an article as "should be deleted"? I think EBS_University_Cooperations is a very stupid article and the homepage of the corresponding college/school has more recent informations. Loggar 14:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Recreating a Yu-Gi-Oh! page

The current conversation I've had with an admin regarding this subject can be found here. Now, He and I had a bit of a dispute in December (a link in the section specified in the link will provide that conversation too), and the end result regarding sources was that in the case of Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, episodes could be considered viable sources, but only when backed-up by a written, secondary source.

Now I've asked him if I could recreate a page he's deleted twice in the past (both unfairly in my opinion, but that's besides the point). He claimed at first I had no source, then that the page would be based on original research. The page in question is "Cyber-Series". In the anime in question, this refers to a series of cards with "Cyber" and "Cyberdark" in their names. The page as I would like to create it would refer to the two's relation to yin and yang, the dojo in which using the cards was trained, and the character who uses them and furthermore develops to reflect them during the series.

Now, I have a written source, and I have already been told I could use the episodes as a source with a secondary source. Also, I am fully prepared to offer citations to the episodes in question. And it is states in the series itself that the two "Cyber" cards are yin and yang, and that the character desires the Cyberdark cards to match his new, evil personality. Now, there is no original research involved, and I have both a secondary and a primary source, both of which are official. Do I have adaquate grounds to re-create this page? Drake Clawfang 05:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

All the wikinerds hang out here. You might get better luck asking this question at the Entertainment Desk. --JDitto 05:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

That page seems more like a chatboard than help, but I posted there as well. Still, I'll keep my question posted here. The guy I've been arguing with over this has been a real jerk and I need an admin to back me up. Based on all the conversations I've had with him and other mods, there don't seem to be any reasons why I can't recreate the article, but he still refuses. If I am wrong, fine, but I'd like to hear it from someone who's word I trust. Drake Clawfang 06:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Amending wrong information

You have an article under the heading of HMS.Centaur,inwhich you state that this was one of three carriers, the others being HMS's Bulwark and Albion. You also say the Centaur was the only one to retain the fore and aft flight deck !!! Wrong, very wrong, HMS Centaur was the very first Angled Deck Carrier in the world. I know I was serving on her,she was commissioned in Belfast in 1953, completed her sea trials and then sailed directly to Portsmouth Dockyards and commenced a six month refit to install the angled deck. She was then sent to the Mediterranean where Admiral Lord Louis Mountbatten seconded her into his squadron so that he could, in his words, "Show off to the bloody Yanks with something they had not yet got" .

Regards Richard Sims.

• Hi Richard. You can fix the article by clicking on the "Edit this page" link at the top of the page. Please be sure to cite your references. Thanks! — Reinyday, 07:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Foreign language titles

Please could you provide a few pointers regarding the foreign language words at JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. The article is split up into sections for each part of the manga series. Underneath each of those section headers, the Japanese equivalent of the title is provided, and linked to its Japanese-version article at ja.wikipedia.org, like this:

Part 1: Phantom Blood

Part 1: ファントムブラッド

The story begins...

What changes would you suggest to this format/style, if any, and are there any specific guidelines when presenting the foreign-language equivalent of a title and link it?

Thanks. —Xhantar^Talk 06:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a template for Japanese titles, in this case it would look like Phantom Blood (ファントムブラッド) (like the main title of the article). It's best to include a transliteration as well. -- Rick Block (talk) 15:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. —Xhantar^Talk 05:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Music examples

For an article I’m thinking of writing (List of ragas) I will need to create a very large number of music example images similar to this one[1]. It was created with GNU Lilypond. However I do not know how to write in C++. Is there another way to create music examples such as this one? Thanks! S.dedalus 06:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

You won't be writing for Lilypond using C++, you'll be using a markup language from the program (the article has an example). C++ was just the programming language in which the program was written on. — Kieff 23:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Information deleted

• I contributed some information to an article about a band called Kids Can Rock and Roll. It included the stage names of the performers, as well as their real names. I just noticed that the latter have been deleted, suppossedly by one of the band members (according to the history log). I don't really care, but I am curious as to how to handle this sort of edit. Are their real identities private information that shouldn't be included in the article? --Vbd 09:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
• Was that information verifiable through some reliable source? If it is already written elsewhere, the band members can't really claim it's private. However, if whoever edited it can prove their identity and make an official complaint there's a good chance the information can get removed per WP:BLP. Note, that often fans use band member names as usernames. Determining who actually removed it is key in the process. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks!--Vbd 14:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Uploading an entry?

Hi, i was hoping to submit an entry to be included into Wikipedia, how do i go about this? do i just upload a Word file for example via the "Upload file" section in the toolbox?

Thanks - Oliver Powell

• See Wikipedia:Your first article and Help:Starting a new page. Do not upload a document; upload is for images. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 10:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Machine Translator

Does WP have a machine translator? 166.61.232.18 13:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so. You could try translating via AltaVista or Google. --ais523 13:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• No, that's not within the scope of an encyclopedia. However, I have some listed on my userpage in the collapsible menu entitled linkbox. You could also try some Mozilla Firefox extensions. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Potential copyvio on Top gear articles

Talk:Topgear#Copyvio? refers. I'm concerned that the articles on Star in a Reasonably-Priced Car (Top Gear), The Cool Wall (Top Gear) and Power Laps (Top Gear) containing blatant copyvios from the BBC Topgear website (as mentioned on the Top Gear talk page). Thus far no other editor has responded to my concerns so I thought I'd bring it here for more eyes. Could you please respond on the Top Gear talk page please? Zunaid©® 14:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The talk page link doesn't seem to work. Xiner (talk, email) 18:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It looks like you're referring specifically to the tables of lap times copied from the BBC Top Gear pages (correct me if I'm wrong). IANAL, but those lap times are facts, which cannot be copyrighted. --Plek 23:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Correct link Talk:Top Gear#Copyvios? --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 01:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

stalemate on Cfd

I posted a category for deletion and now seem to be engaged in a debate with one other user about it. Is there a time limit on such discussions? How long does it take for a decision to be made about the proposed deletion? And who decides?

Usually this means at least one person is repeating the same arguments. Regardless, it will be closed sooner or later by one admin, whose action you may not agree with. Xiner (talk, email) 18:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

In a related matter, someone decided (in response to my post, I think) to merge a couple of articles that arguably should not have been. Can I undue the merge?

Sometimes it's more of a question of whether you should. Whatever others do, you can undo, and vice versa. That said, if you don't think you can accommodate the merge, you can undo it with a request to discuss any further reverts on the talk page first. Xiner (talk, email) 18:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Vbd 14:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Translation for "a la cart"

I would like to know the French translation of "a la cart" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.89.43.77 (talk • contribs)

This is already French, or it would be if written à la carte. If you have further questions I suggest Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. Notinasnaid 14:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

That's like the famous George Bush quote, something like: "The French don't have a word for entrepreneur". To answer your question; it means from the menu. Adrian M. H. 15:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

see wiki [2]. No? MartinGugino

Can I post to my blog from Wikipedia?

Is there a way (similar to the way other websites are doing so) to add settings for your blog to Wikipedia, and then quickly post a reference or citation or whole article from Wikipedia to your blog?

If not, does anybody know if there are any plans for this? I believe many users would find this useful.

Thanks

Joe Joerichards 15:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

No, there's no way of doing this. I'm not sure how it would be useful, either, as the source information would still be on Wikipedia. You're better off just linking to the WP article from your blog. -- Kesh 00:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Or are you thinking you would like a preview window into an article on your blog? MartinGugino 08:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

You mean trackbacks? As far as I remember, there used to be support for that, at least in the software, but it was either never turned on or never finished, so I have no clue whether that code still works. Titoxd^(?!?) 00:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Feature Question

How do I e-mail a page from Wikipedia to a friend? How come you do not prominently feature that? Thanks! Topper Head

You have to copy the URL address from the browser's location bar and send it to your friend manually. It'd preserve your online identity as well. Xiner (talk, email) 16:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Viewing of deleted revisions doesn't work

Because of my AdministrativePower®, I'm able to look beyond the surface of Wikipedia and see deleted revisions of articles. However, I seem to only be able to see the source code. If I click on the Preview button to see a rendered version, I end up with an entirely blank page. What is wrong? JIP | Talk 18:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• Which version of which article did you try to watch? - Mgm|^(talk) 19:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Rat zinging, which I originally created in August 2005 as a joke I never expected to live long. I am unable to view the rendered version of any of the three revisions. JIP | Talk 19:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Hmm strange! I can see it just fine so there is nothing wrong with the article. Can you preview other deleted articles? Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 00:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
    • It's fine here too... any other? Titoxd^(?!?) 05:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
      • It seems to be working for me too now. JIP | Talk 07:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Help with videos

How can you post home-made videos on your user page? talk

WP:NOT a blog. You can post to Commons, but please read the guidelines there as well. Xiner (talk, email) 19:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it a video involving a Penis. Vagina. Boobs. Balls. Dirty Sanchez. Eiffel Tower. Cleveland Steamer. Rusty Trombone. Jack Hammer. Reverse Cowgirl. Skeletor. Leap Frog. Italian Chandelier. Black Bee. Harvey Wallbanger. Drilling for Oil? Remember be Bold and finally remember the most important rule Wikipedia does not have firm rules, "if the rules prevent you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore them." But, if you still feel like trying out something on your user page... check out Wikipedia:User page. Obviously your pornographic picture movie will meet the requirements for free licence.

Remember though, not everyone thinks it's appropriate to see a video on "non-stop birth control, being able to go on the pill, stay on the pill... that you practice from mouth to muff and anal doggy style safe sex... with your girlfriends hot friend watching and Jimmy the next-door neighboor whome also waxes your back. That's because as per WP:User page#Removal "If the community lets you know that they would rather you delete some content from your user space, you should consider doing so - such content is only permitted with the consent of the community. After you've been here for a while, and written lots of great articles, the community may be more inclined to let you "get away with it". Alternatively, you could move the content to another site, and link to it.

If you do not cooperate, we will eventually remove inappropriate content, either by editing the page (if only part of it is inappropriate), or by redirecting it to your main user page (if it is entirely inappropriate)." But everyone has a subjective tolerance to what is innapropriate... here is a guideline for sexually explicity images... Wikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality/WIP-image-guidelines. What is there is still under discussion of concensus but you should be alloud to post your video... so long as it's not child pornogrophy according to California Law (or something like that). To be taken seriously you need to follow this rule Wikipedia:Profanity, which states "profanity should either appear in its full form or not at all." A good way would be to say something like "I would much prefer to know what wikipedian think of this video. Were they embarrassed? Were they curious? Were they repulsed? Were they thinking it was the greatest thing going since sliced bread? I would loved to have heard a conversation between males and females on their attitudes towards it because I'd be willing to bet half of the guys were just as embarrassed as the females were and didn't know how to deal with it and because they're guys and the expectation is if you're a guy you're going to have a "hehehe go for it" attitude and that may not have been how they were feeling."

If you read through that rule carefully... that means if it is partially inappropriate the content will be edited but if it is totally inappropriate they wil redirect it right back to itself.

If you do this though I would suggest being carefull on who you contact because they'll probably think your a Troll. Anyway good luck with your pornographical video productions! --CyclePat 06:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Who is to say it's pornographic? --Wooty Woot? contribs 06:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

When searching on google for "home-made videos"... there is 1.7 million hits. Most link are porn related. Obviously the next question was going to be about the sexual intercourse. Of course maybe it was a home-video of him baking cookies, then going for a bike ride... but I'dd like to entertain the sexual phantasy as my intrinsic sexual "moi" senses were saying. Think of it like a type of gaydar but for porn. We know! --CyclePat 06:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

2 questions.

1)How do I creaate a special page?

2)How do I get my stuff (on my userspace) to align to the left?

Thank you,--Darkest Hour ^Ж₌^Ж 19:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

How do I create a special page? Generally, you don't. Special pages are an integral part of the MediaWiki software itself. If you are a PHP programmer then you can contact the MediaWiki staff and ask to become a developer. Then you can be granted access to the source code. I am a programmer myself but I do not know any PHP so I would not become a MediaWki developer at this time. JIP | Talk 20:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The answer to the first question is to become a developer. See m:How to become a MediaWiki hacker if you want to follow that dark and thankless path.

As to the second, it can be done with some CSS. Titoxd^(?!?) 05:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Title of page problem

Hi!

I created a new page about a living person, but the last name of the person (hence the title of the page) shows not-capitialized after I created the page.

How do I change the title of the page so that both the first and last name are capitalized?

Thanks very much in advance!

Musicmusic 20:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I see that the page has been moved, but no response here, so I'll explain. Users who have been here for a while (four days or so, I think) get a little button at the top that says 'move.' You use that to rename pages. --Sopoforic 20:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes he is right sorry for not replying sooner, I had a little bit to do. Thank you Sopoforic. --Darkest Hour ^Ж₌^Ж 20:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Many, many thanks to both of you!

• The reason the last name didn't show capitalized was because you didn't capitalize it when you chose the name. Make sure the title of a page is correctly capitalized before you submit your next article. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Musicmusic 20:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Guidelines for Religion definition

Hi All,

I am involved in a mediation over at Waldorf Education and a user has stated this:

I saw the wikipedia guidelines say someplace that in articles about religions the definition of the religion or religious tenets have to be taken from the doctrines adopted by those in the religion.

Now this makes sense to me - but I am unable to find the policy/guideline in question - anyone know where to look?

Cheers Lethaniol 20:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I doubt it. See Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/FAQ#Religion. --Sopoforic 20:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd be careful about seeking any special dispensation from one of the core tenets of Wikipedia. There's a reason they're not just guidelines. Xiner (talk, email) 20:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh I am - I just wanted to check if there was such a guideline or not Cheers Lethaniol 22:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Copying a page

Hi, I want to creat an article by using an existing template. The main article on "Alan Greenspan" is the existing template I would like to use. How do I make a new article following this same template/format? 20:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Thank You, Trevor Scott

I'd copy the entire page to a blank page in my user space and play with it. Xiner (talk, email) 20:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Just remember to put <nowiki></nowiki> tags around the category links, or your user page will show up on the category pages. --Plek 21:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Stalking

I believe I'm being stalked. A editor keeps editing pages which have absolutely nothing in common except that I edit them, and all he or she does is contradict me. I've never found this kind of behavior listed under any of the "don't do this" policies. Is it permitted, is it written explicitly somewhere, or does it fall under simple trolling? Thanatosimii 21:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Trolling isn't against policy I think, but if he/she is just doing this to spite you, you should try to let it roll off your back while warning them about any rule infractions, eg {{needsource}} or {{verror}}. Xiner (talk, email) 21:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Trolling comes under disruption and admins are happy to block if it gets bad enough.Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Harassment -- John Broughton | ♫♫ 20:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikisource e-mail address confirmation error

Hi Wikipedia - I clicked the confirmation link in the email I just received after creating my account, and the confirmation window opened. When I tried to sign into Wikipedia ten minutes later, however, I got this message:

Login error: There is no user by the name "_______". User names are case sensitive. Please check your spelling, or use the link below to create a new user account.

It's not a case-sensitive problem, because I copied and pasted my Username from the confirmation email. I tried the "Email New Password" button, but received the same message and did not receive an email. What can I do?

You may be confusing Wikipedia with Wikisource. They are different projects that each require their own registration. Try logging into Wikisource here, or creating a Wikipedia account here.--Werdan7^{T @} 21:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I've had the same problem with Wikisource specifically, and I doubt this user's problem is due to any confusion between Wikipedia and Wikisource. I'm asking for help here because there doesn't seem to be anything similar to this Help Desk in Wikisource. I've been able to create accounts on Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, and Wikimedia Meta-Wiki without incident; the problem appears to be specific to Wikisource. I got a confirmation email from Wikisource similar to the ones sent by Wikipedia, the Commons, and Meta. But when I tried to log in as "Neuromath" on Wikisource, it said "no such user", and yet when I tried to create the account again in order to get around the problem, it said I couldn't because an account by that name already existed. I would really appreciate some help from someone familiar with Wikisource. —Neuromath 03:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Suppressing categories in templates

If a category includes a template, is there anyway to use that template and suppress the category? For example, if I wanted to show somebody a userbox like:

This user is interested in ancient Rome.

but I don't want to actually force the Help desk page into the associated category (since the Help Desk is not interested in ancient Rome, per se), what can I do?--JayHenry 21:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe you could subst it-{{subst:User Rome}}- then hit page preview. The code will appear, and you can edit out the category, then save. 24.20.69.240 21:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Almost. The template code will not show up in the preview. You'd have to use the substitute syntax, then save the edit, then edit the page again, then delete the category tag, and finally save the page. Maybe someone else can think of a better way of doing this. --Plek 21:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The caveat there is that you'd be delinked from the actual userbox page. It'd be equivalent to copying the code from the template minus the lines for including the category. I'm not sure there's an alternative though. Xiner (talk, email) 22:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I was hoping for a <suppress category> ... </suppress> sort of shortcut. Oh well... I guess subst works as does copying the code from the template. Thanks for the help and if there's a different shortcut let me know!!--JayHenry 22:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

For the record, I'm very interested in ancient Rome. .V. (talk) 22:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Wrap the categories in the template with a parameter ({{{category|[[Category:Wikipedians interested in ancient Rome]]}}}) then call the template with a blank value passed to the parameter ({{User:UBX/Rome|category=}}). I've already adjusted the template on this page. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Using Word 2007 to print

I used to copy-paste the URL from the Printable versions of the pages of wikipedia into the Open menu in MS Office Word 2003 as a ReadOnly, so as to keep the format of the original page including the charts, lists,...etc, save it for editing, formatting and finally printing it into a nice research..But when Using Word 2007, The whole page format is shuffled and entirely lost , especially tables and pictures, although this still work with URLs from other sites...Is there any option in Word2007 responsible for this messWess2001i 22:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)Wess2001i

• If you want to print, simply print from your browser: copying it into a Word document is almost guaranteed to ruin the formatting. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 01:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Article creation

Yes i have created plenty of articles and I know how to create one. However, i sometimes have a problem. I create the article and don't click save. I move to another page to quickly check a page. When i click back to return to my editing preview box, the information i have added is gone. Is there any way of sorting this out? Simply south 22:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a browser problem (not Wikipedia :). Therefore it might be a question for WP:VP/T or WP:RD. Yuser31415 23:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks anyway. I have posted this now on VPT as you suggested. Simply south 00:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Proper handling of a link to internal resource on disambiguation page

The disambiguation page Comment contains a link that points to WP help content (look under Publishing). This looks out of place, but I cannot find the article that specifies how to correctly handle it. WP:SELF does not seem to address this directly (unless I misread). Cites? Tips? dr.ef.tymac 23:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. I removed the link; feel free to do the same (the only article that should link to Wikipedia, IMO, is the Sandbox page). Cheers! Yuser31415 23:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Follow-up: Anyone have a cite or link that talks about this specifically for future reference? It helps to have references to avoid tedious "why did you delete that" debates. Thanks! dr.ef.tymac 00:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

For an example of how it actually should be done, see Template, specifically the self-reference at the top. WP:SELF clearly explains why self-reference in the body of an article is a bad idea, and I don't think additional guidance is needed. I hope this helps you sufficiently. :-) --Tkynerd 00:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Mailing list links to Wikipedia space, as well. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

January 18

Fan art

How do I deal with someone who insists a picture I scanned from a comic book is incorrect and replaces it and the description with information gotten from a piece of fan art? In specific, we're arguing over the identification of an extremely minor character for a list of characters, and he is comparing my scan to a piece of fan art and saying that the character has too many differences from the fan art image to be the character in question. --〈 Miriam The Bat 〉^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Sign Me!)} 00:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit: The argument: talk:List of experiments from Lilo & Stitch#Hisees image --〈 Miriam The Bat 〉^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Sign Me!)} 00:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

A precusory glance leads me to think he's dealing with original research. If that's the case, quote him WP:OR and insist on reliable references for his claims. If he continues to remove content without justification, use templates like {{needsource}} or {{test1a}} on his user page (see WP:TUSER). Remember to subst: per instructions. Xiner (talk, email) 01:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Though there are strong arguments against including copyright images, fan art of copyright characters has just as many problems. Clearly no free alternative can be available, but it's important to make sure any fair use claim is completely justified. The use of copyright images for illustrating a gallery has been challenged before (e.g. in discographies). It is never going to be possible to illustrate everything.Notinasnaid 11:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Explanation of categories

Other than the cfd page, where can one post a question about categories? I am trying to understand the difference between Category:Canadian immigrants to the United States, Category:Canadian expatriates in the United States, and Category:Canadian Americans. The last category listed was supposedly nominated for deletion on Feb 9, 2006 (and no consensus was reached), but I couldn't find the discussion on the archive link provided. I can't figure out the nuances between these three related categories.--Vbd 01:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You could try the discussion pages of the categories, but I doubt you'll find many responses. Language-wise, the first and the last should be merged, and the second one renamed to "Canadian citizens in..." Anyone care to make my wish come true? Xiner (talk, email) 01:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Xiner. Do you know what the rules are for reposting something to the cfd page? I can't tell if they considered merging the two you suggested and renaming the other one because I can't find the discussion. But if I am allowed to revisit an issue, I would gladly post your recommendation. I suppose that the worst thing that could happen is that I get told to go away.--Vbd 01:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Bring it to CFD. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 01:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Harassment by TStein

I feel that i am being haraased and victimised by TStein This is by the unwaranted addition of a warning and then two more warning to my talk page about a subject whihc was resolved and i ahd moved away from. TStein Is also acting outside of the authority of regular user by almost saying that what he is doing is right. I would have accepted the warning when the problem with me was occuring, but during that period I genuinly belived what I was doing was right. I may have been later proved wrong but TStein is dragingn up the issue again. I would also not removed it from talk page if it was put there by an admin, but i removed it as i thought it was a joke at first, but i turned out TStein was being serious so i left a message on TStein talk page and then added anothe warning about removing the original warning. I think one of a number of things are happening here with TStein and the are either:

1. I am being victimised and harassed by TStein.
2. TStein is deliberatly trying to drag up and infalme an edit war again.
3. TStein is being beligerant and dosent like someone disagreeing and is using my talk page and subsequently wikipedia to make a point.

• I just want TStein to leave me and my talk page well alone so I can get on with doing what I want to do and not have TStein say what I must do. --Lucy-marie 01:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Because you have not left the warnings in question on your talk page, it is difficult to assess this conflict. Removing warnings yourself is generally considered poor etiquette and not cool. However, I looked at the warnings in the talk page history; if TStein's assertions about your actions are correct, he has valid points: you should strive for consensus as part of your editing, and if you find you have edited an article against consensus, you should not reinsert those edits into the article. --Tkynerd 02:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Tkynerd, it is my understanding that there is no policy requiring editors to retain warning templates. Am I wrong? Is there a guideline somewhere that describes it as 'poor etiquette' or 'not cool'? Anchoress 02:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You're right, Anchoress, although there's also the warning templates for removing the warnings (e.g., {{Drmmt}}). I think the first one could be justified here, but using it always brings the risk of turning an editing episode into something other than what had instigated it in the first place. I think eventually someone will work on a better solution, but meanwhile, we should just let it go and warn the users for the actual infractions if they continue. Xiner (talk, email) 03:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Anchoress, you'll note that I did not refer to policy or guidelines in my reply to Lucy-marie. My understanding of community consensus on Wikipedia is that removing warnings from your talk page is strongly frowned upon unless it can be demonstrated that they were placed for no good reason. That happens not to be the case here. --Tkynerd 03:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The reason why I asked is because my understanding is that there is no community consensus on the appropriateness of removing warnings; I am not being faux naif or disingenuous; I asked because I know the issue is brought up regularly and I didn't know if opinion had changed. I believe that in the absence of a policy or guideline, there is sufficient community division on the matter render your warning to the original poster inappropriate. Anchoress 03:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It would help, Lucy-Marie, if you provided links to edit summaries (specifically, the ones that were reasons for the warnings.) .V. (talk) 03:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll do it: diff - results of multiple consecutive edits by Lucy-marie, diff, diff, diff. Relevant edit summaries: "persosns is an icorrect grammar pluralisation it is people or a person or a person's rights and carried out a clean up"; "Undo revision 97430721 by Emeraude (talk) as no clear reasonsning given as to why persosn is used it dosent read correctly and is bad grammar"; "Undo revision 98777518 by Skapur (talk) please be constructive and contribute to the rfc i think this page may need protecting until frc completed". --Tkynerd 03:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I hope that you are able to resolve this issue, but this discussion really should be moved off the help desk, where it may just disconcert newcomers, to a more appropriate place: perhaps one of your talkpages, or a noticeboard? Thanks for your consideration. Newyorkbrad 03:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Removal of warnings from user pages (by the user) is not a violation of policy. The notice is still viewable via the page history should an admin or another editor decide to review a user's history for a possible pattern of problems.

Complaints of this type might be taken to Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts; you might also want to look at WP:EQ. John Broughton | ♫♫ 20:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

How can I format this right?

Hi. I have a signature I want to format. You can find what it should look like at User:.V./sandbox. The lower piece of text is how it actually looks in practice. Can anyone help me fix this? Thanks! .V. (talk) 03:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Ehm, but if the upper part works, why not use that? I don't get your point. Niels|en talk-nl talk (faster response)| 03:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Apart from that: in the bottom part you use <sup>Talk</sub>_Email which should either be ^Talk_Email or _Talk^Email. Niels|en talk-nl talk (faster response)| 03:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you check the Raw Signature box in your preferences? Xiner (talk, email) 03:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies; it seems like the tags were what was wrong. But it now seems to format the date on a newline... anyone know how to fix that one?

.V. -- (^Talk_Email)

04:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Try .V. -- (^Talk_Email) - notice that I used "font" instead of "div" - you have to click on 'edit' to see the code, of course. --Kainaw ^(talk) 07:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Using the deprecated "font" tag with a "style=" attribute is strange, to say the least. I suggest using "span" instead. --Dapeteばか 10:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Verification

in wikipedia ..everywhere i have seen a edit option. means any one can modify. is there any verification done after these editing from your side or not.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.101.61.10 (talk • contribs) 23:27, January 17, 2007

Verification is usually done by other editors, such as yourself. This way, you don't simply have to take the word of a Wikipedia page, you can see where others got the information from. If there's no source to verify, then the text should be removed until it can be. That's the best part of Wikipedia: anybody can add text, but everyone else can make sure it's really a fact and not just opition. -- Kesh 04:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Often, sentences, paragraphs, or even whole articles will have tags saying that information doesn't have a source - this is an indication that the information may not be correct and thus should be taken with a grain of salt...Wikipedia is a lot about common sense - don't take anything blindly without being a bit skeptical that someone's pulling your leg. But overall, popular articles are usually quite accurate. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 06:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Starting a New Article Of Our Site

Dear Sir,

I would like to post articles related our category segment but I could not able to get where actually it has to post..please send me the details where it should be done...

Is there any option is available in the site to post articles..in the site??

• Generally speaking, starting an article about your own site, or anything you're personally involved in is a bad idea because most people tend not to be objective in such cases. Please see WP:WEB and WP:N to see if your site or category segment (whatever that is) follows inclusion guidelines and read WP:YFA and Wikipedia:Tutorial about how to write an article. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • In addition, WP:COI has information on conflicts of interest; you should review that if you're posting about your own company, organization, personal website, etc. John Broughton | ♫♫ 20:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Help...trouble with my personal page

Please, can someone help! I just began working on my "personal" page, and included a photo. It took several tries. When then thumbnail is enlarged, the history is revealed, showing my real name, and not just my user name...also the source of the picture (on my computer). I cannot delete "History" items, and need the help of an Administrator.

My user name is Prof.rick ...I don't want my actual name to be seen. Thank you Prof.rick 10:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Cleaning up history is hard, but there is another approach. You can get the image deleted, much less work for an administator, then put it back again without the history. If it was an article you could add {{db-self}} to it, but I'll have to leave it to someone else to say how it's done for a picture. Notinasnaid 10:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You can list the image for deletion at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. I don't know if there is a faster way; this doesn't seem to qualify for speedy delete. -- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 23:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Deeplinking to wikipedia

Is it possible to use content of wikipedia on your own site, however WITHOUT copying the content itself (so if the page in wikipedia gets modified, it gets automatically modified on your private website in 'realtime' as well). I would like to have just plain text of wikipedia>>subject on my page, without the menus/tabs/style of wikipedia. 82.170.69.65 17:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Nope. This would also be frowned upon, as the load would still be on Wikipedia to serve the content to your viewers. You're better off just copying it to your own site, or posting a direct link to the page in question if you don't want to update it yourself. -- Kesh

...or both. The Transhumanist    10:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

not quite a legal threat, but...

A user is insisting that content not appear in Wikipedia because the person it concerns wouldn't want it here. The user is not actually making legal threats (yet) and I am wondering where I can direct this editor to obtain more information on relevant legal policies and perhaps file a formal or semiformal complaint or whatever the problem supposedly necessitates. The relevant text is in the edit summaries of this history page and User_talk:Coelacan#Robert_Lentz if it matters. — coelacan talk — 11:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

This can most often be dealt with for text content by applying existing policies properly. Is the information sourced? If not, it must be removed immediately if challenged; this is specific to biographies of living people I should note. Beyond that, if it is sourced, examine the source. Does it meet Wikipedia's definitions of a reliable source (e.g. good: newspaper, book; bad: blog, online forum, some web site not associated with a publisher). Source bad: delete immediately. Does that cover this case? Notinasnaid 11:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It certainly does, but I think the user wants somewhere to complain. Is there anything more specific than WP:RFC? Anything that concerns pseudo-legal complaints? — coelacan talk — 11:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, a superficial look at the links suggests the debate is actually about whether to include a picture, in which case none of the above apply. If it is a copyright picture, the fair use argument must be strong, and the argument there doesn't seem to cover inclusion in Saints Sergius and Bacchus at all. Notinasnaid 11:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I see that someone has changed the description of the picture. I didn't notice that. I'll have to look into whether this is a painting of Sergius and Bacchus or Polyeuctus and Nearchus. Regardless, the issue is apparently going to arise with this artist's work, no matter what article it's in. — coelacan talk — 11:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It is indeed. The only applicable policy, I think, is to carefully examine fair use claims. Notinasnaid 12:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

List of articles started by xxxx

Is there a simple way to generate a list of articles begun by a specific user? --Dweller 13:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Interiot has a script that does that. Kusma (討論) 13:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Official Site link in infobox being a pay site advertisement.

My question deals with the Gianna Michaels article, due to her "official site" link being a membership pay site, albeit in her name and possibly a legit official site (although this is not verified), but still a pay site. I was wondering if this is classified blatant advertising and should not be allowed at least in the infobox, if not entire article in general. Btl 13:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the link because it provides nothing beyond the other three links. Xiner (talk, email) 14:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

NEED HELP

HOW CAN I DOWNLOAD INFORMATION?

Can you give an example of what you want to be able to do? Notinasnaid 14:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

i was trying to add a citation to the article on Elective dictatorship, but kept messing up. Can i just give YOU guys the info and get you to do it??

Go to the article's discussion page. Post the info there and someone should take care of it. Xiner (talk, email) 16:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, sign your comments with four of these ~ things--SUIT⁴² 04:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Creating My Own WikiPedia page.

Ok. Someone please help me. I want to create my own page about me. Just thought it'd be kinda fun. Have my own page on wikipedia.com. The problem is I dont know where to go on this darned site to do that. HELP ME! ... Please ...

Not everything is notable enough for an article on Wikipedia, so if you started a page about yourself it would probably be deleted. Why don't you try starting a page on something encyclopaedic that you are interested in, in which case you may like to see the instructions here. Trebor 16:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Or you could register and put whatever you want on your own user page. Clarityfiend 17:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, not really anything you want. I get the impression that registering only to create a user page is frowned upon, and also having user pages which just seem to be self-promotion rather than about one's Wikipedia work. Notinasnaid 18:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

If you do choose to register, you might find this link helpful, though you should not view registration as a means of using an encyclopædia to publish information about yourself. Adrian M. H. 21:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

NAFTA page errors.

Personally I don't know the specific details, but the NAFTA main page has been trolled in sorts.

Links to exports such as "buttholes" and The phasing out over "six thousand sum years"

Just thought you should know!

Thanks, I've reverted. If you want to correct vandalism like this in future, see WP:REVERT. Trebor 17:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Link to wikiquotes

I don't know how to fix the link from Casablanca (film) to wikiquotes. It's trying to link to 'Casablanca (film)' when the wikiquotes article is actually entitled 'Casablanca'. Clarityfiend 17:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Link it as {{Wikiquote|Casablanca}}:

Hope that helps. --ais523 17:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Much better. Thanks. Clarityfiend 17:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Candidate for deletion

How do I nominate something for deletion? Georgiana Darcy is a rather long article on a minor character in Pride and Prejudice. Clarityfiend 17:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Write {{subst:prod|I think this article should be deleted, because of such-and-such. Lorem ipsum and so on.}} at the top of the article. If this is left alone for five days, an admin will come around and delete the article. If, however, someone removes the notice, do not replace it. Instead, write {{subst:afd}} at the top, and follow the AfD instructions. The AfD tag is replaceable. JIP | Talk 17:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, try prod first (as described above), and then if that doesn't work, the Articles for Deletion process (again as described above). There are instructions for AfD at Template:AfD in 3 steps. --ais523 17:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• It doesn't look too large to me and I don't recommend deleting an article about a character in an important literary work even if it is a minor character. Try shortening and cleaning it up first. It doesn't appear to have anything wrong with it that requires deletion. See Wikipedia:Deletion policy. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:Notability (fiction), minor characters don't merit separate articles. And she is a minor minor character, not even a major minor one. Frankly, the article in question is probably longer than the sum of all mentions of her in the novel itself. Clarityfiend 22:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

How to find an episode guide?

When I came here the first time I found a very detailed summary of all the Transformers Armada Episodes that could be editted. Now no matter what I do I can not find it anywhere. I know it exists so could someone please tell me where it is. LegendRider 18:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I looked at Transformers: Armada, and I'm guessing the episode guide was deemed too esoteric to stay on Wikipedia, so only a summary now remains. Perhaps you can ask on the article's discussion page? Xiner (talk, email) 19:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try that.

How do I do this?

The Christian Potenza article in Esperanto has "English" on the left-hand bar, so you can view it in English. However, the English article has no link to the Esperanto version in the sidebar. How do I put this in?

See Wikipedia:Interwiki links. In short: add [[??:NAME]] to the bottom of the article where ?? is the code for the language link you want to add and NAME is the name of the foreign article. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

>>OP here. Can other people please translate this article into more languages as well?

How to add a category to a page?

I want to add the page titled "Steve Rifkind" to a catagorie titled "American Music Industry Executives." I am very confused as to how this works so some direction would be great. Thanks.

• Add [[Category:American Music Industry Executives]] at the bottom of the article you want to add to the category. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You would simply add [[Category:American music industry executives]] (note lack of capitalization) to the bottom of that page. --Tkynerd 19:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• Sorry about that. Yes, make sure you use exactly the same capitalization as is used in the actual cat. name. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• Actually, it should be listed as [[Category:American music industry executives|Rifkind, Steve]]. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The last suggestion refers to how you influence the entry's position in the category. It is very useful whenever the first letter of the article's name is not representative, or when it begins with a number (eg. a year) Adrian M. H. 21:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Help

How do I cite the Wikipedia Encyclopedia in MLA form? As well as in a report? Erikadennis

I'd think that it's the same as citing any other website, per WP:CITE. Personally, I'd want to find the source for any statement made on Wikipedia and use that instead. Xiner (talk, email) 20:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Yep, just follow the MLA style guide for websites. As Xiner said, though, Wikipedia is not a good source for citation. You're better off following the references in the article and citing those instead. -- Kesh 20:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

On the toolbox on the left side of the page there is a button that says "Cite this article". If you click it, it will give you preformated cites for the page you are on, in various formats. MLA is the second type of cite on the list (It says "MLA style" above it). Prodego ^talk 20:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Missing Image and Searching Images In General

There was an image, shugart.jpg, that was linked off the Alan Shugart page but is now missing, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alan_Shugart&oldid=98378653

I have tried many unsuccessful searches in an attempt to recover it or at least to find out who deleted it and why?

So my first question is who deleted it, why, and can it be restored?

More generally, what is the appropriate process, if any (a pointer to a FAQ is sufficient). FWIW, I tried following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Uploading_images#Find_previously_uploaded_images but it gets you the first page of 50 uploaded images out of a very large number and the list does not appear to be searchable. As a test i searched for an image i uploaded and was unable to find it. See if you can (hint: title includes words collage and floppy). Tom94022 20:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't look like an image ever got uploaded to that title, although a copyright tag was added to the Image page. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Who owns the copyright of an image

Hello there I’m new here and I want to upload some pictures. I’m not quite sure how to handle copyright issues. I know there is an article with rules about that but how does these apply on old objects. Take for example this picture. http://www.geocities.com/garyweb65/ashurbanipal.jpg It’s on a free geocities domain. Should I ask for permission to use it? But in that case, who is the owner of this picture? Is it the holder of the domain? Is it the person who made a photograph of this object? Or is it the museum where this object currently is? All possibilities provide problems because the domain holder doesn’t own the object, it’s impossible to find out who made the photograph, and should a museum be asked for permission tot use a picture that roams free over the net? Please enlighten me. Djaser 21:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Just because an image is on a free geocities page doesn't mean that the person who put it there has the copyright to it. However, since it's apparently an image from ancient times, there would be no copyright, unless it's a photo from a museum page which the person appropriated without proper copyright description. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I think a good case could be made that the copyright belongs to the photographer, even though it's a picture of something old, though legal opinions differ. Being from a museum page or someone's holiday snapshot certainly makes no differnce to copyright. If you want to use the picture, you should ask them the place you found it to confirm that they are the photographer, and that they release the picture into a suitable license for all uses, including commercial use (there is a particular formality that has to be followed here). If they are not the photographer, ask where they found it originally, and continue the quest. Notinasnaid 09:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation

I often search for explanations of new words that I come across, but how do I find out how to pronounce them?

Any good dictionary, either in print or online, gives a phonetic pronunciation guide for each entry. Please direct any future general questions to the Reference Desk. The Help Desk is here for questions specific to the use of Wikipedia. Adrian M. H. 22:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

accessing the videos

how do you find the listing of videos and how do you access them

Are you looking for Youtube? There are no videos on Wikipedia. Arjun 22:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The Commons has some cool animations.[3] Xiner (talk, email) 22:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

History of Samoa Article

I don't have an acct here, i only visit to read articles. I noticed someone vandalized the article History of Samoa. some who is involved may want to fix this...the vandal inserted misinformation about extraterrestrials using samoa as a location for dance parties 500 years ago.

i think what you folks do is incredible and maybe one day i'll get more involved. until then, regards..

michael sanchez phoenix, AZ -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.135.0.6 (talk • contribs) 22:34, January 18, 2007

Thanks for pointing this out - User:Prodego fixed this vandalism. — QuantumEleven 14:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

how do you find a deletion ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Webrats (talk • contribs) 23:23, January 18, 2007

Could you be more specific? —Centrx→talk • 23:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

If you're looking for a log of deletions you can try Special:Log and search for the article in question. If you're looking for a AFD discussion it's typically Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NAME OF ARTICLE DISCUSSED. —Mitaphane _talk 03:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

January 19

Article deletion history (AfD, prod, CSD)

I have 3 questions about viewing the deletion history (AfD, prod, or CSD was suggested and denied/accepted) of an article:

• Is there any way to quickly tell if an article has been up for AfD before?
• Is there a way to see the same for proposed deletion and speedy deletion?
• Is it possible to view the deletion history of articles with a similar name? e.g., Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shogun Wars vs. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shogun Wars (Online Game)

Black Falcon 00:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Articles that have survived an AfD should have a template at the top of their Talk page to indicate. See Talk:Series of tubes for an example. However, deleted articles tend to not keep their old AfDs and such around for more than a couple months, from what I can tell. -- Kesh 00:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

There should always be a note on the talk page, but all AfD debates are preserved so Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/article should show any previous debate.

Not really, except for skimming the edit history for summaries

You can find AfD listings for similar sounding articles by either searching the Wikipedia: namespace for possible terms or by using Special:Prefixindex (eg articles nominated for deletion which start 'Shogun'.) --Cherry blossom tree 00:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks to you both for your helpful responses. Black Falcon 00:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

adding a new entry

I noticed one of my competitors has a top-level entry on wikipedia.

How do I add a top level entry to describe a similar website.

Thanks David

You'll want to read Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page, Wikipedia:Article_development, and WP:COI. Xiner (talk, email) 02:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Also be sure to read WP:WEB (if it's a website), WP:V and WP:N. Don't create an article about a project/company you're involved in. Bad karma. -- Kesh 02:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

User is... going nuts? What template should I use to warn him?

I got into a debate with an IP User 75.129.150.225 and he's going nuts now. The discussion can be found here. He mentioned that he wanted to cut himself, and I don't know how serious these things should be taken on Wikipedia (I know that on some sites, admins take action to contact people's parents...). Either way, which specific rules is he breaking and what templates should I put on his talk page to warn him? The conversation is: Talk:List of experiments from Lilo & Stitch#Hisees image Thank you. --〈 Miriam The Bat 〉^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Sign Me!)} 02:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Mostly WP:CIVIL and WP:ATTACK. Not to mention all the nonsense added to the Talk page. I've placed an appropriate warning template on the user's page.

I wouldn't worry about the cutting comments, as this seems to be an attention grab. If more serious comments were made, I still can't think of an appropriate avenue for taking action. There's no central body on Wikipedia that could respond to such. -- Kesh 02:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I know that on Gaia Online they have a serious policy on self-mutilation and suicide threats where they track the users IP address and contact the local police, which is why I thought there may be similar policy here. --〈 Miriam The Bat 〉^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Sign Me!)} 02:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I would personally take such action; notably a few admins here have done such. Report this incident on the Administrator's Noticeboard. Yuser31415 03:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Who's the creator?

Who created this site? Not the people who write the information on subjects, but the name of the person who created Wikipedia. I need to know for a works cited page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.150.6.164 (talk • contribs) 03:03, January 19, 2007 (UTC)

You need to look at Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. --Tkynerd 03:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Misuse of Wikipedia

Someone is using Johnny L. Banks, Jr. as a user page. Is this allowed? I thought user pages were supposed to be on user pages (i.e. User:Name)???? Chupper 03:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Page moved. Redirect needs to be deleted by an admin (i.e. not me). Xiner (talk, email) 03:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Watchlist changes

I haven't been on for quite some time, and I noticed something on the watchlist that didn't exist since the last time I was active. They are little green and red numbers (denoting sign) in parantheses next to the page names. What do they mean? —Akrabbim^talk 03:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

They tell the number of bytes added or subtracted to the page's code. They are useful for finding vandalism (like replacing a page with an expletive, or such). --Sopoforic 03:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. Thank you very much. —Akrabbim^talk 03:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Homepage as a reference source

I have been helping out with [[Category:Articles lacking sources]] and came across an article about James Kirchner the only biographic material I could find on him that fitted the stub was on his homepage I went ahead and put in the reference and removed the tag, however I have doubts as to a homepage being a legit source for wikipedia if someone could let me know so I could leave, research more or re-instate tag it would be appreciated. I hit save page instead of preview before and then everything just went haywire Kesh. thanks --Matt 05:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mokgen (talk • contribs) 04:49, January 19, 2007 (UTC)

Looks like you didn't get your whole question typed out. Try again? -- Kesh 04:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

See a section further below for repeat of question. -- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 16:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Using pictures from different versions of Wikipedia

If an article from one language version of Wikipedia has a picture, is it safe to assume that it's okay to upload the same picture into the article from another language version of Wikipedia? Haverpopper 05:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I posted some info on a painter, Andre Daude, but I'm having trouble showing any of the downloaded photos. Let me know how to do this. Also, this painting was purchased by myself, Neil Lipson about 50 years ago, and I don't see a copyright notice on it. Will this be allowable to post? I also found a notice about a spam email address, but I used my own email address, lipson@att.net. I don't have any bio info on this painting which is the reason I'm posting what info I do have. Let me know how to fix this.

Thanks,

Neil Lipson

Note: Email removed because of privacy reasons. Yuser31415 07:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC) You'll want to read up on our fair use policy. You see, different versions of Wikipedia tend to have their own copyright rules; so it is better to be versed in ours before uploading anything. Yuser31415 07:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It depends. If the image used in the other Wikipedia is stored in the Wikimedia Commons, it is safe to use here. If it is not, verify the copyright status of the image; if it is released under a free license, upload it to Commons instead, so everyone can use it. Titoxd^(?!?) 07:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

A better explanation is this: if the image is at Wikimedia Commons, it can be accessed and used by all wikis without the need to reupload. If it was uploaded on a different Wikipedia, however, you might be able to upload it here. If it is Fair Use, you'll have to do some checking on the copyrights (feel free to ask the Help Desk). If the image in question is licensed as GFDL or Public Domain, then you'd do more good by uploading it at Commons so everyone else can use it as well. — Kieff 07:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Homepages attempt 3

While checking [[Category:Articles lacking sources]] I was reviewing the James Kirchner article for sources a quick google search showed the best source of the relevant info on his homepage. I added a link to the page as a reference and removed the tag. However I am unsure about the use of someones homepage as an accurate source so do I leave my edit alone, or research some more for better sources and provide them or retag the article as the case maybe thanks --Matt 05:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• Other people may disagree with me, but I believe someone's homepage is a valid source as long as you establish notability through some independant source other than the homepage first. - Mgm|^(talk) 05:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  • It's okay - in fact, very useful - to include a home page in the External links section of an article. Using a person's personal website as a reference/footnote is a bit more dicey. If you're going to do that, it probably should be for sentences that read like this: "According to Kirchner's personal website, he was born and raised ... ", rather than "Kirchner was born and raised ... ". I've gone ahead and changed the reference/footnote to an external link.
    • I would have suggested either retagging the article (the purpose is to encourage others to visit the page and improve it) or doing some further research yourself to find other sources of information, but another reference has been added to the page, and I added an embedded link as well, so it's okay to leave the unsourced tag off the article as it now stands. -- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 16:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Passport From Marshall Islands

I have lost my passport from the Marshall Islands. How do I contact them and have a New one sent to me in Alaska??? Eonlina Lojan

Hi, this page is for posting questions about how to edit Wikipedia. Maybe you can try asking at the reference desk. delldot | talk 06:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Section editting

Is there a way to selectively remove the special edit links for some of the subsection ? This will be useful say while viewing multiple column text (e.g. Fluid dynamics: See also section). The edit links for the subsections are too close to the next column. Not that they are not useful, but one edit link to edit the whole section would suffice in such cases. The __NOEDITSECTION__ tag works fine, but it removes all the edit links from the sections and subsection in the article. Thank you. myth 07:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

This isn't possible at the moment, but there's been a request to the developers to add this feature. You might want to look at MediaWiki enhancement request 8515. 147.188.147.230

Thank you that saves some trouble for me :) myth 09:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

How to reply and etiquettes

I know how to edit pages and talk to other people. But, are there some fixed rules which I should keep in mind while replying to people. As of now, I have only conversed with users on article talk pages. Any help would be appreciated. Tragicomedian 08:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

This maybe of some help to you Wikipedia:Etiquette. myth 08:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• Try Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines and WP:CIVIL too. - 131.211.210.15 08:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for helping. IRC has loads of people willing to help as well. Tragicomedian 08:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Photography

Hello. I've just started making some contributions and wondered what the policy was on an issue relating to photography. I have uploaded one of my pictures to an article on the Clywdian Range of hills in Wales. I am happy for this photo to be used anywhere, by anyone, but don't know whether it is the 'done thing' to say that users can email me for a high res version of the image. I'm not looking for any kind of profit on this, just want to know the protocol. ElgyB 09:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Please upload the highest resolution version you have. You should also tag the image with {{GFDL-self}} in the license section.—WAvegetarian•(talk) 09:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

OK. Many thanks. ElgyB 10:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, you can save yourself a lot of work by simply uploading the largest version you are comfortable about sharing with other users. That way you don't have to answer email queries. You can also multi-license your images -- allow them to be used under other restrictions. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. Perhaps you want to add a Creative Commons license too. That saves people from having to copy the GFDL license along with the image if they use it. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Problem inserting a reference

I have tried multiple times to properly format a reference in the Monte Ne article. No matter how I try, either using a cite template or entering it manually, it refuses to format. Can you look at it to fix, and if you are successful, please tell me where my error lies? This has happened to me more than once, and it is extremely frustrating. Thanks in advance, Jeffpw 11:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• I fixed it. You can check the article history to see what I did. I think it failed to work because you used a hard return (forcing a new line) within the template. I also recommend using naming refs like this: <ref name="EXAMPLE">blah</ref> so you can refer back to them using that name without typing out the entire template multiple times. If you want to reuse a previous reference you can write: <ref name="EXAMPLE" />. Note the lack of a closing tag in this one. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help, and the clear explanation of where my error was. Jeffpw 12:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Sub Pages

Hi, If I create sub-pages of my user talk Page so like my adoptees can contact me on that Page instead of on my talk Page, would it still say I had new messages when I logged on, or would I have to check it myself? Thanks

Tellyaddict 12:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The new-messages bar is only triggered from the main User talk page, not from subpages. --ais523 12:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

admin rights and responsibilities

Hi,

where can I find the rights and responsibilities of an admin? I have no problems in the english version but I started translating into Slovak (from english wiki, which I assume is OK, haven't found otherwise) and one of the admins keeps reversing the articles ( not only mines, there is a whole bunch of us on his discussion page asking the same thing) for "gramatical mistakes" reasons. I'd like to know what his rights are because clearly he thinks it is OK to delete a whole article. Slovak wiki has very little artlicles and if he discurages people with this (which he does) noone will want to write there and that for me defies the purpose of wiki.

thanks for your help,

Sandra

you could have a look at WP:ADMIN - that page also suggests the Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide and Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list although I'm not sure such policies and advice have any credance on the slovak wiki - they probably have their own. Sounds to me though that the person in question isn't really acting as an admin in reverting your edits but is acting as a standard editor. As such, he is subject to all the rules the rest of us are. Have you tried talking to him about it? If he's a grammar expert, perhaps he should just fix your grammar rather than just revert it. --Mcginnly | Natter 14:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, each Wikipedia (English, French, Slovak, etc.) has their own admins and their own processes. The Wikimedia Foundation provides the hardware and software, but lets each language (project) do its own thing, mostly. So you should search the Slovak wikipedia for information on their processes. If you don't find anything there, or believe that they aren't observing the spirit of what Wikipedia (as a whole) should be about, you might want to contact a steward - they do monitor things across all wikipedias - see m:Stewards. Or take a look at the meta pages in general - these apply to all projects (you could start at m:Main Page. And yes, there are absolutely no restrictions on translating content from one wiki to another - that's encouraged, in fact.) -- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 15:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

generating lists

At WP:ARCHA we've got some way through the assessment process. And there's a great little bot that generates statistics for us in a matrix at the top of the page. What would be really usefull though is to be able to generate a list of say, all start-class articles that are also top importance. Does anyone know how to do this? I'm recently approved for AWB and I think I can generate a list of all mid, low and none importance articles and filter the list of start-class articles to exclude them - but this seems a bit longwinded - is there an easier, more obvious way that I'm missing? --Mcginnly | Natter 14:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The Wikipedia search engine can do this, i.e. your particular query would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?ns1=1&search=%7B%7BArchitecture%7Cclass%3Dstart%7Cimportance%3Dhigh%7D%7D&fulltext=Search . What this does is look for the string "{{Architecture|class=start|importance=high}}" in the wikisource of all talk pages. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks. --Mcginnly | Natter 15:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Template

I'm looking for a template similar to the listing for the Wall Street Journal, set up for a company article. Where can I find such a template?

Robcarter 14:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean something like Template:Infobox Company? To see a list of articles using this template, just click "what links here" in the toolbox on the template page. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Question

When should I use Wikipedia and why? Theresa Bowlding

Please see Wikipedia:About. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Moving

how do i move a page or article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.51.90.0 (talk • contribs)

Please see WP:MOVE. You will need to have an account older than four days. Else you can request at Wikipedia:Requested moves — Lost^(talk) 15:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright..

Having looked around Im confused about the use of copyright. If i take a picture of..say a company logo..or avideo game cover..if this fair use? or is it my picture because I took it? would this be the same in every occasion? such as pictures of people and places? or only certain conditions? Fethroesforia 15:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

A photo of a company logo or a video game cover would have to be fair use, because most of the creative work that would produce the final image would be the company's (your input would be limited to lighting, angle, etc.). A picture of a person would normally be free use if you took it yourself and licenced it appropriately, because you have all the creative input in the picture (although in some cases there might be other reasons why you couldn't use the picture of someone without their consent; I'm not sure about this, but I think it has something to do with the country you/they live in); with a picture of a place, it would depend on what was in the picture (a picture of a hill would usually be licensable by the person who took it as free use, whereas the picture of the front of a shop, containing logos and pictures created by that business, would likely be usable as free use only). I'm not a lawyer, however, so I may be wrong about some of this; you might want to discuss a particular situation on Wikipedia talk:Copyrights/Can I use.... --ais523 15:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok..thanks..just because I saw a video game cover (photo) that some guy released into the public domain..so not sure whats going on with that. But thanks:) Fethroesforia 15:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The uploader most likely made a mistake. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 16:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Mediation Vanished!

This page [4] has completely vanished. Only the background remains. Any ideas what's been done to it?

Many thanks MattB2 16:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Try bypassing your cache. --ais523 17:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

That's sorted it! Many thanks MattB2 20:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Is there a bot that helps clean up redirects that arise from page moves?

Some pages have lots of incoming links pointing to them and it'd be tedious to manually fix the links. Xiner (talk, email) 17:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Out of the currently active bots that are listed on Wikipedia:Registered bots, User:MessedRobot seems to be the only one specifically approved for double redirects; however, I think AWB can handle this sort of work (without necessarily requiring bot approval), and there are probably bots approved for general manually-assisted work that would be capable of and allow this. --ais523 17:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Does User:MessedRobot run specific jobs, or search for stuff to fix? Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 19:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Citing Wikipedia using the Cite Tool

How does the cite this article tool work?

I have noticed that clicking the cite this article link on the left side of the page, generates a citation page for said article and there is a button labled "Cite"...

What does this button do? Is there any way to export the citation to EndNote?

In APA format?

Grossmanhm 17:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The cite this article tool (I presume) just takes the information and formats it according to a template. The 'cite' button is there so that you can change the name of the page in the box to the left of it, and then click 'cite' to get the citation for the new page. If you want to use the citation in endnote, see this link. That will let you import BibTeX citations into endnote. The 'cite this article' tool has a BibTeX entry, so you should be able to make use of it. (note that I don't use endnote, so I can't guarantee that it will work) --Sopoforic 20:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Minor addendum - The "Cite" button doesn't do anything except re-create the page unless you change the name of the article, in which case it generates a new page with the cite for that new article - try it. -- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 00:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Page Forwarding

The page for Michael O. Johanns, the current Secretary of Agriculture is listed under Mike Johanns. How can I make is so if you type his full name it will forward to the correct article?

Also, under the "wiki rules" should it actually be reversed where the article is his full/real name and the shorthand version is the one that gets forwarded?

--Jwikipro 18:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The full name should probably be used unless the short name is particularly famous or something. To move the page, just click the move button at the top; it will automatically create the redirect from the original to the new location. See Help:Redirect on creating redirects. Basically, just make it so the only thing on the article is:

#REDIRECT [[Target article]]

-- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 18:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The rules for naming say to use the name by which a person is most commonly known: see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names) (I'm not sure whether this advice conflicts with Consumed Crustacean's in this case). As for creating the redirect, you can do it by typing

#REDIRECT [[Mike Johanns]]

as the only text in the page Michael O. Johanns. Hope that helps! --ais523 18:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Page Moves

I recently wrote an article that had its name changed by another user. This article is about a topic that can have its name translated into English, or kept in its original Chinese. I named the article in its translated form (Way of the Celestial Masters), the other user changed the name to a Chinese-English hybrid (Tianshi School). Instead of using the possibly controversial move procedure, the user moved it himself. When I tried to move it back, he would contiually move it to his name. Eventually someone else noticed this edit war, and intervened to have it moved back to its orignal name. The user then protested and it was moved to the controversial move section. Keep in mind that the move was now from its new name (Tianshi School), back to its old name (Way of the Celestial Masters). Therefore the burden of the move was put on me to have it named back to its original form, and not on the other user to keep it as Tianshi School. The vote failed to have it changed back (with only three votes cast), and the article remained at Tianshi School. On January 10th, I went through the controversial move procedure and a vote was held in which 4 people were in favor of moving it back to 'Way of the Celestial Master', and another 2(the same 2 that voted against the move in the first place), voted to keep it. Thinking that a supermajority had been reached (the wkipedia page says that this qualifies as 60-80% of the votes), I took the liberty of moving the page back. This move was subsequently reverted by one of the users that was against the move. Now the article is in limbo.

From this experience, I now feel that there is a serious flaw in Wkipedia's page move policies. Why is it that the burden of having the article moved has been placed on getting it back to its original name? Because the original user did not go through the possibly controversial move procedure to generate discussion, shouldn't the burden be placed on him to keep the article where it is? I feel that the article should be renamed 'Way of the Celestial Masters,' and then if the user still wants to rename it 'Tianshi School,' he can go through the controversial move procedure. I also feel that if such a situation happens again in which a user changes an article name that could be controversial, and someone disagrees, that the article name should be automatically reverted so that a proper discussion can take place on whether to move the article in the first place.

Any input on what people think about this situation would be appreciated. Zeus1234 20:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• See WP:AN or WP:COI/N --Regards, Darkest Hour ^Talk•_contribs 20:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't see why WP:COI/N is being mentioned here - that's a noticeboard for conflicts of interest, which has not been mentioned as far as I can see. More constructively: If you think the current move policy is wrong and should be changed, you should propose a change at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves. If you believe that an administrator has incorrectly interpreted existing policy, that would be a matter for WP:AN. -- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 00:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

How do you report inappropriate content?

I read Wikipedia daily. Today, for the first time, I noticed a sentence in a biography that was vulgar and misplaced. It looked as though someone thought it would be funny. It had nothing to do with the topic. How do things like that get repaired?

Thank you

• Click on the edit this page link between the History and the discussion links at the top of the article. To see who made the comment click on the history link. --Regards, Darkest Hour ^Talk•_contribs 20:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You can actually fix it yourself. See WP:REVERT. -- Kesh 21:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Who's the author?

I'm doing a project and I need to know who is the author of the page about Italy.

Um every one is the author here at wikipedia. To see who was the very first person to write the article go to the history and back track all the way to the first edit. --Regards, Darkest Hour ^Talk•_contribs 20:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

What Darkest Hour said is true, but now what you want to know. See Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia for information on how to cite wikipedia. --Sopoforic 20:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

School Article Name

Currently, there are 2 articles about the same school with the exact same article text. I need to know which one to keep and which one to convert to a redirect. The articles are Southland Academy and Southland Academy (Americus, Georgia) Grhs126student 20:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

As long as we don't know of another Southland Academy, I would recommend deleting Southland Academy (Americus, Georgia). If it later turns out a disambiguation page is needed, we can always move the article to the more specific name and change Southland Academy to be the disambiguation page. --Tkynerd 20:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

How do I enable the "You have a new message notification" feature?

In changing my preferences, I must have inadvertendly switched off the "You have a new message notification" feature. I have had a couple of new messages on my talk page lately, but I didn't get that big orange "you have a new message" bar.

I would like to re-enable the notification feature, but I just can't find it among the preferences. Am I overlooking something? I have set my browser to automatically log in with my wikipedia username and password.

I'm assuming now that the new message notification can be disabled/enabled, but is that so? Can there be another reason for me not getting notifications? --Cleonis | Talk 21:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• As far as I know you can't shut it off. (This way vandals can't say they haven't received any warnings.) Do you by any chance visit your talk page first? If you do, it might explain why you aren't getting a banner afterwards. - Mgm|^(talk) 21:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Generally, the first page I visit is Special:Watchlist. That link is in my browser's bookmarks.
If I happen to see that there is a comment on my talk page, I go there. --Cleonis | Talk 22:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• If someone leaves a message on your talk page, it creates an entry in the User newtalk table that points to your username. If you visit your talk page, any entries pointing towards your username are deleted from the table by the software before your talk page is rendered and sent to your browser. So, if you visit your talk page before anything, you will never your "new messages" banner. The only way to know if there's a new message if you've done that is to manually look at the page history. Titoxd^(?!?) 04:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Dismiss?

For the last month or so, I have noticed a link labelled "[dismiss]" at the top of my wikipedia pages. When I click on the link it disappears. What is the purpose of this link? TonyTheTiger 22:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It has something to do with the recent fundraiser. Arjun 22:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Right, it's meant to make the fundraiser banner go away. -- Kesh 22:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Repeat

Hi there,

I recently joined Wikipedia to write an article about a band I know of. I have written it and saved changes, but for some reason it has repeated the article twice. I have no idea why, the written part shows no reason for it to be repeated. Can you please help me on this?! Also, Im not sure if i have to be an elite member or something, but will this article be able to be previewed by the public, as I can not yet see it on the internet.

Thanks for your time and help.

Sincerly,

- Matt Matt Whitney 23:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You managed to create a Template, which happens to be an exact copy of your Userpage. See Template:Definite Article. I would suggest putting {{db-author}} at the top of the page, so an admin will delete it for you, since it's unnecessary. Then, delete {{Definite Article}} from your Userpage, as it won't go anywhere.

Secondly, you don't want to create an article about your band. See WP:OR, WP:COI and WP:V. Until your band is big enough for reputable news sources to mention them, the article won't survive on Wikipedia, and it's bad form to create a page about your band yourself. Wikipedia is not a directory, nor is it advertising space.

I do wish you and your band the best of luck, and hope to see you contribute to other articles here on Wikipedia. -- Kesh 23:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

my editiing

my editing is completlely deleted i dont see why i just fixed the right thing, the fact that is not well known

all of thing

if u search my editings on the web, u will see what is true

its hard to find but it is there it didnt violates any copyright

please tell me why — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jinmemini (talk • contribs) 23:16, January 19, 2007 (UTC)

Please remember to sign your comments with four tildes. It would also help if you explained what you were asking about.

Judging by your Talk page and contributions, you added text to Tōgō Heihachirō with no references. You must show that your additions can be verified, so that other people can read it for themselves. See WP:CITE for instructions on how to do this.

Finally, we have no way to "search (your) editings on the web," as there's no way to know who you are or which edits are yours. Plus, you cannot cite yourself as a source. See WP:OR. You must provide verifiable information from a secondary source. We can't simply take your word for it.

If you can provide us with sources, please re-add the text with appropriate references. New information is always welcome, as long as we can verify it to be accurate. -- Kesh 23:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

January 20

Images

Hello, I am a new user. I was just wondering how you put pictures on articles? Thank you and I await your response so please respond soon. Radical3 00:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

You might want to start by reading Wikipedia:Picture tutorial, Wikipedia:Image use policy, and Wikipedia:Uploading images. If you have futher questions after that, please feel free to ask. -- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 00:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I can't work out what to do about Sxe injected

I arrived at Sxe injected on a recent changes patrol to revert some vandalism and discovered an article with a copyvio tag but the article doesn't appear to have been listed on the copyright problems page. The article is a claimed copyright violation of this page and appears to be a translation (from Spanish?). Any suggestions about what should be done with this page? Random Passer-by 00:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

It is listed on the copyvio page here. Looks like page deserves deleted, as a quick Babelfish translation looks really close to what's on the article page. Would've been helpful if the user had followed instructions and left better notes, though. -- Kesh 00:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

So a translation is still a copyvio? I know nothing about this area of copyright law and I can't find a Wikipedia copyright policy page which mentions translation. If it is then I'll add a speedy deletion tag (unless another editor does so first). Random Passer-by 01:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Without permission, yes. It's still the same text, just in a different language. Otherwise, someone could translate the latest Tom Clancy or Stephen King novel into, say, Swedish and sell it without paying royalties to the author & publisher. -- Kesh 01:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) A translation of free material is of course not copyvio, but a translation of copyvio material is. See Talk:X60 Train for another example. Unfortunately the WP:VPA thread I refer to there is surely archived, but if you're interested, you can search for it. Basically, the idea is that translation doesn't magically solve the copyright problem with material. --Tkynerd 01:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I'll have a better idea of what to do if I encounter a similar problem again. I've added a speedy deletion tag. Thank you both. Random Passer-by 01:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio isn't a speedy deletion criterion. I have blanked the page, fixed the url, and listed it on today's copyvio log. --Wooty Woot? contribs 07:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio is a speedy deletion criterion (although it arguably might not apply in this case). I checked before I added the tag. See WP:CSD (criterion 12). Not that it particularly matters as long as the problem is dealt with. :-) Random Passer-by 16:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Deleting a #redirect

How do I delete a #REDIRECT? I created one that I regret. It's a long story and has to do with a stalker that's trying to track me down. Philiped 01:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

It kind of depends on the circumstances, but in general, you could just put {{db|reason why this ought to be deleted}} on the page. --Sopoforic 01:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

How do I get to a #redirect page in order to request its deletion?

Thanks. But...

There is no page on which to put the request, because when I click on the link it takes me directly to the page it's pointing to. Philiped 02:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

When you end up at the target of the redirect, look right underneath the article title. There should be a little gray line which reads Redirected from somewhere. Click on the link to somewhere to get to the redirect page itself. Edit away. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 02:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's an example for getting to a redirect page: click on this link: Dubya. You should be redirected to George W. Bush. There will be the title "George W. Bush" at the top of the page, and then the subtitle "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia", and then you will see

(Redirected from Dubya)

...approximately. So then, click on "Dubya" there, and that's how you can get to the redirect page. Do the same with your article, and then you'll be able to edit the redirect page. Blank it (the redirect page) and put {{db-author}} on it... and an admin should delete it. Gracenotes^T § 02:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

If it's not an article of your creation, though, list it on Redirects for discussion. Titoxd^(?!?)

Yankee Stadium

what is the actual location that the New Yankee Stadium is being built? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.202.226 (talk • contribs) 03:23, January 20, 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, this page is for questions about Wikipedia itself. Try looking at New Yankee Stadium or ask again on the Reference desk. -- Kesh 03:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

My redirect pages are coming out wrong

When I try to create a redirect page and click "Show preview," the redirect shows up as a number followed by the target page.

For example, I just created a page on Július Tomin. A lot of people will probably type Julius Tomin, without the accent mark, in the search window. So, I created a page "Julius Tomin" and typed in "#redirect Július Tomin" (without the quotes, and with double brackets). Then I clicked "Show preview". Instead of the redirect arrow, I saw this:

1. redirect Július Tomin

The same thing happens when I put "REDIRECT" in caps. What am I doing wrong? Thank you. Cal Evans 04:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

If you click show preview, that's what it looks like. Click Save Page with the text #REDRIECT [[Target]], and you should be fine! — Deon555^talk_desk^{sign here!} 04:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

to enrole in tournament

How to enrole my self in WCG tournament?

I assume you're referring to the World Cyber Games. I'd suggest their Official website. John Reaves (talk) 08:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Logo

Why does the Wikipedia Logo, world globe and Navigation box and In other languages box overlay the page, is my question. This MacBook was saving pages to Documents and calling up pages and there was no interference of the logo material and suddenly this annoyance appears ----

Number of articles in a category

Hello,

I was wondering whether there is an easy way to determine how many articles currently belong to a specific category?

Thanks. —Xhantar^Talk 10:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

See CatScan, but it wont work for very big categories. I personally use AWB. It requires some iterations to get to the result if you also want articles under the sub categories. — Lost^(talk) 11:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! —Xhantar^Talk 13:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

You could also use Pockbot - it will "produce for a given wikipedia category, a table listing all articles within that category (and all subcategories of that category), as well as the status of those articles". -- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 16:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

deleting images

I uploaded several images but would like to delete them. How do I do that?

Only administrators can delete images. Edit the description pages for your images and put {{db-author}} somewhere in the text, and save. An administrator will delete your images shortly. Cheers, Tangotango (talk) 14:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

deleting an entry

There is a duplicate article for Agrobacterium tumefaciens which is classified as a plant stub and called Agrobacterium temefaciens. It has no new information in it, is very short, and is only there because tumefaciens is spelled incorrectly. It should be deleted but I don't know how to do that. Can someone help? Incidentally the stub is misclassified because A. tumefaciens is a bacterium, not a plant.Sarahjg 14:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I have redirected the article to the correct name. — Lost^(talk) 15:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Missing article?

Hi. I created an article about our company, HUMANY under the Categories

Companies of Sweden

it worked fine. only something about a picture that we have done our self, but maybe I tagged it wrong regarding copywright?

doris.jpg

But now suddenly all the information are gone?! I cant fint it anymore.

Why?

We have the same information in the Swedish Wikipedia since many years, but this I have translated in english.Its mote than advertising. Its informaion about a tecnology and historical information (Swedish minister, Carl Bildt was in our board)

Best Regards

Pascal DeBeaux —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.233.30.215 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

My guess -- and that's all it is -- is that the article would have been deleted as non-notable. If it did not make claims of notability that satisfy that guideline, it was probably speedy-deleted; otherwise it may have gone through an AfD or been prodded (proposed for deletion). Unfortunately there's no way for non-administrators to see the history of deleted pages, and I don't know of a good way to search old deletion discussions. --Tkynerd 17:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

There appears to have never been an article at HUMANY; could you tell us the exact name (case-sensitive) of the article you created? We must know this information to find out what happened to your article. Cheers, Tangotango (talk) 17:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

the exact name was: Humany

category: Swedish companies

It just lost now. Do i need to translate the artice again now?

According to the deletion log (here), the article was deleted by User:Fang Aili. You might want to bring this up with her directly on her talk page. -- Rick Block (talk) 22:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Myspace on Wikipedia

Hi. I'm slightly curious about how the Wikipedia community sees links to myspace profiles in articles. Whilst on vandalism patrol, I often revert external myspace links, viewing them as spam links. However, I'm not sure whether this is the correct action to take. Can someone let me know what the accepted view on such links is? Many thanks Matthuxtable 17:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not very familiar with MySpace, but as I understand it, it is essentially a blog site to which users upload their own media/musings/detritus. In which case, your approach is correct: external links to blogs and fora are discouraged, and their use for references/research/citations is not permitted, as I understand it. Adrian M. H. 17:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

• I wouldn't oppose a MySpace link if it's abundantly clear it belongs to the subject of an article that's undeniably notable. However, I don't recommend such links to be used as a source. And having a MySpace page isn't a good reason for someone to get an article. They're also subject to the spam policy. - 87.209.70.231 18:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

It's #10 at Wikipedia:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. The link pretty much says it all.--Kchase T 18:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Additionally you need to be aware of imposter sites - there are several musicians with several fake MySpace profiles. And blog?\.myspace\.com is also blacklisted. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 18:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

However, I would say there's nothing wrong with listing, on a musician's page, a MySpace page that the musician links to from her own official Web site as her own MySpace page, as has become relatively common practice. --Tkynerd 18:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is anything wrong with linking to MySpace, per se. However it falls under the same category of sources that aren't reliable, just like blogs and forum posts. However, if you can establish through other reliable sources that a MySpace link is legitimately part of the subject (like the MySpace page Weird Al created for White & Nerdy) then I would say the MySpace link is ok. You just have to be cautious with using MySpace links. —Mitaphane _talk 19:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Token new page patroller here. MySpace links are usually the prime suspect when dealing with a non-notable musician, in my experience. You'll often see pages that have a link to their website and/or a myspace page, and that's it. If you see these sorts of pages, and there are no sources or claims to notability, fire up the db-band gun. --Wooty Woot? contribs 20:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Problems with de-listing a cleanedup article?

Hi, I overhauled Albany Movement and removed the cleanup tag. However, I can't find it on Wikipedia:Cleanup or or , or anywhere else. So I'm not sure if it's still listed, or what.

On a related note, I'd like to complain that the entire cleanup process is highly confusing and frustrating, and I've now spent more time trying to figure it out than actually fixing the article.

Eleland 18:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Adding the tag to the page automatically places it in a category. Similarly, removing it will mean the page is removed from the category and no longer listed. So you will no longer find it in a category. What part of the cleanup process did you find confusing? Trebor 18:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Question

how do I post my question?

You just did. Trebor 18:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Was that the actual question? You're allowed more than one! Adrian M. H. 20:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Category

If I wanted to add a new category to something say a song, how would I go about it? For example under the Category:Songs by artist there are not several bands so what would I have to do to add the bands to it, and add the category on their songs' pages? Asics^Talk 18:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

To add an article to a category, add [[Category:Categoryname]] to the bottom of the page (but before the interlanguage wiki links). Whatever category you want to put the page in should replace "Categoryname". More detailed instructions for this can be found at WP:CATEGORY#How_to_put_an_article_into_categories and Help:Category#Putting_an_item_in_a_category. -- Natalya 18:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

List of blocked images

I remember awhile ago seeing a list of images that by technical means were unable to be thumbnailed into articles, only linked. Stuff like human feces, sex positions, etc. I think Image:AUTOAMPUTATE1.JPG should be on that list, can someone take care of it? --froth^T 18:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

The list is at MediaWiki:Bad_image_list and requests for additions to this list must be made on the talk page or at the Administrator's noticeboard because the list is fully protected. I have gone ahead and posted a message on the talk page regarding Image:AUTOAMPUTATE1.JPG. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 19:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

How exactly do Interwiki links work?

I know how to make an interwiki link to another page and it will show up in the left sidebar. That is nice. The problem is when I try to make an interwiki link to commons, like commons:Help, it shows up as a regular link, not in the sidebar. Is there any way I can force a link to commons or meta to show up in the "In other languages" sidebar? Is it a CSS or JS thing? —Dgies^t c 19:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a javascript thing. If you're wanting to add links to the side bar try out the navigation shortcuts script. —Mitaphane _talk 19:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

• The interwiki links in the side menu you are talking about can only point to other Wikipedias. If you want to point to the commons or another project, you should use the relevant templates and put them in the external links section. It's a little more bulky but the only way it will work right now. - Mgm|^(talk) 21:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Image question

Whole images of baseball cards do not fall under the fair use rule. But what if I chop off most of the card and just include a picture of an athletes signiture? I did it with Aaron Myette.

Is that a "legal" thing to do on Wikipedia? Thanks for the help. Alex 20:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe what you have created is called a Derivative work. Without permission from the original copyright holder, making a derivative work violates their copyright, and definitely wouldn't be cover under fair use policy. —Mitaphane _talk 20:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! Alex 20:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

• Hypothetically speaking, what would be the copyright status if you took a mask and stripped away all of the baseball card except for the signature? Would it be a derivative work of the baseball card, or a derivative work of the signature? Is an image of someone's signature copyrightable, and if so, wouldn't that be fair use in come cases? —Dgies^t c 00:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Helena Macree Tsavalas

How do I put information in about the biography of Helena Macree Tsavalas? I like to start typing things in and I have no clue how to start it at your site. Please let me know. Thank you. My email is: <email removed> My username is: Macree

See Wikipedia:Introduction on learning how to edit Wikipedia —Mitaphane _talk 20:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, see this page about the concept of notability and how it applies here. Basically, if Tsavalas doesn't meet our notability criteria, there shouldn't be an article about her. --Tkynerd 22:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Dealing with childish behaviour from other editors

What is the best approach for dealing with immature behaviour from an editor who refuses to discuss his edits? Adrian M. H. 21:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

(1) Keep your cool. :-) (2) Assuming you are acting in good faith, which I believe you are, continue to revert the relevant edits without violating WP:3RR. (3) If the situation escalates, try an RfC. --Tkynerd 22:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. At the moment, I have left it at one revert, after which the user added the comment with some rewording. His second attempt was actually worse, as it contained what could be construed as POV and weasel words, but while I was commenting on his talk page, he quickly revised his wording, leaving only the issue of transient current events. You can see the history here. I think the matter has probably been dropped as far as he is concerned, but I don't want to inflame it by reverting again. I wondered if there was any procedure that may apply in dealing with similar cases. Adrian M. H. 22:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I read the exchange on his talk page, although I did not look at the relevant edits to the page in question. Hmm. I see you have posted about this on the article's talk page as well. I have to say I'm not entirely inclined to agree with you; plenty of Wikipedia articles contain information that documents current events. I will say, though, that I might agree that a biographical article may not be the ideal place for that kind of material. The comment in its current neutral form seems reasonably OK to me. --Tkynerd 22:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

My comment on the talk page was made at the time of my edit; good procedure, I know, when it may be controversial. I wouldn't have minded if the other editor had left a reply there, justifying his edit or agreeing to a revision, or something. Anything rather than re-insert the comment, with worse phrasing, with no edit summaries, and then to change it again, still without communicating with me. Ah well. Adrian M. H. 22:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Magazine reference

How can I properly state a magazine as a reference (in the reference section of a Wikipedia article) in a bibliographic way? This is the reference:

STAR TV GUIDE, December 2006 issue (Volume 7, Issue 86) : Channel Guide section, page 35. (The magazine does not indicate its ISSN number.)

Yes, It does not indicate its ISSN number. Help is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Channel Guide. STAR TV GUIDE, December 2006, 35.

or

Channel Guide. STAR TV GUIDE 7, no. 86 (2006): 35.

Verify the actual name of the section "Channel Guide" and whether "STAR TV GUIDE" is in fact all capitalized (I would think it would be "STAR TV Guide"). —Centrx→talk • 23:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

• When I tried {{cite magazine}} I was redirected to {{cite journal}}, so even though it's not primarily used for magazines, it may be your best bet. For other ideas, try Wikipedia:Citation templates. - Mgm|^(talk) 00:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

GOOD-BYE CLOWNS: U.S FEDS STOP PROPAGANDIZING ON WIKIPEDIA. YOU'RE NOT WANTED HERE. HALF TRILLION $ ANNUAL BUDGET CAN'T DEFEND US FROM 19 GUYS WITH BOX-CUTTERS 'CAUSE YOU WASTE TOO MUCH TIME HERE

Good-bye clowns: U.S Feds stop propagandizing on Wikipedia. You're not wanted here. half trillion $ annual budget can't defend us from 19 guys with box-cutters 'cause you waste too much time here

List of demands (for when you're ready to give up)

1. Fred Bauder has got to pull his pants up. (he's getting santorum all over the carpet)
2. The entire list of confirmed federal contractors must be permanently banned from Wikipedia.
3. The Clown tactics must end
4. the list of cplot sockpuppets must be kept up-to-date no matter how cumbersome that becomes

These are our demands. This will end when you Clowns want it to.

Whitehouse using Wikipedia for Propoganda

Please copy this message and paste it to other talk pages you normally participate in.. Wikipedia's integrity is at stake. If this is deleted please revert in order to restore it. We're starting here on the less political pages to hopefully avoid detection before a significant number of editors are alerted to the problem.

Federal employees/contractors are now gaming Wikipedia's system to try to control the message on key articles and intimidate legitimate Wikipedia editors. Their ultimate goal is to make Wikipedia a proganda tool for the Bush Administration.

The possibility that this was happening was first raised at the village pump. This is a snapshot of the discussion which will likely be archived soon. Also be sure to check the history, the archives and the archive-history to read further comments on the topic. Several of the suspected federal contractors participated in the discussion to try to redirect the conversation.

Later an announcement was made regarding this issue across all village pump categories, but it was quickly deleted. These duplicate messages posted to the Held Desk and the Village Pump: miscellaneous, assistance, proposals, technical, policy and news.

The discussion also leaked onto one of the key articles presided over by federal contractors, with calls for them to to stop controlling articles. The federal contractors maintain a near permanent protection on articles, claiming this is needed for vandalism reasons These claims are wholly unsupported and these articles do not face any more vandalism than any other article we legitimate editors deal with everyday. These federal contractors refuse to even allow a POV template to be placed on their protected pages as evidence here.

Incriminating posts were eventually deleted: [5], [6].

Confirmed list of federal contractors

We have managed to obtain a confirmed list of federal contractors, though there are likely many others: These US federal government representative regularly engage in policy and guideline violations; participate in endless disciplinary actions and dutifully preside over several articles to ensure they present what they call "the official view". The federal contractors also coordinate efforts in administrative actions to create the appearance of a quick-forming consensus.

1. Fred_Bauder (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
2. MONGO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

• Tjstrf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (Checkuser confirmed sockpuppet of MONGO)

1. AudeVivere (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
2. Tom_harrison (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
3. Tbeatty (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
4. Regebro (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
5. NuclearUmpf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
6. StuffOfInterest (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
7. Morton_devonshire (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

There may be many more. These are merely the confirmed contractors. Examinations of their contributions will provide ample evidence of disruptive and intimidating behavior. However, some notable administrative actions include:

• Request for comment against Seabhacan
• arbitration against Seabhacan.
• ban of Zen-master
• Indefinite block of Cplot
• block review by Mongo

This is only a partial list of frivolous and arbitrary administrative actions taken by these federal contractors who have managed to raise themselves up to powerful positions in Wikipedia: in order to maintain a slanted POV for Whitehouse officials. .

Policy and guideline violations

These federal contractors routinely violate and show utter contempt for these Wikipedia policies:

• Conflict of Interest (benefiting personally with an undeclared conflict of interest): gaining personally from maintaining a particular POV on Wikipedia
• NPOV (writing articles to meet no point-of-view): ensuring
• WTA (words to avoid): using editorializing words to inject the Whitehouse point-of-view
• Biography of Living Persons: using malicious and potentially libelous words to describe living persons
• AGF (Assume Good Faith): accusing other editors and administrators in the most frivolous manner
• OWN claiming ownership of articles) to maintain strict Whitehouse or what they call "official view".

Satirical pieces

A satirical sexual news item was posted about these contractors, but that too was quickly deleted in a very extended [edit war on December 1 2006. While the tone of this piece is clearly meant to be funny, trollish and satyrical, the concerns are very real. We include it here to show that there is little fear of retribution from these inappropriate federal contractors. Not only will they not retaliate, but they are quite cowardly and acutely fear being discovered (as is demonstrated by the quick deletion of non-trollish commentary on them).

Identifying tainted articles

We had sought to identify articles tainted and suspected as tainted by Federal contractors. By including a new category [[Category:USEBACA]] to indicate an article is confirmed or suspected of being a United States E'xecutive Branch Agents. Controlled Article. However, the federal contractors would not even allow the creation of this wikipedia category.

Dangers to Wikipedia

These editors and administrators have exhibited a virtual immunity to administrative actions due to their coordinated efforts within administrative measures. Not only do they maintain the POV and low standards on key articles throughout Wikipedia, they also make edits to policy and guideline pages to create ambiguity and also to degrade the high encyclopedic standards of Wikipedia. They continually use inane contradiction in article discussions, intimidate other editors and manipulate the administrative system to purge valuable editors and administrators. If this is allowed to continue. Wikipedia will be come a mere parrot of Whitehouse propaganda. Please help spread the word.

Proposed Clown Essay

(this is just to help protect Wikipedia legally)

This page describes the Wikipedia phenomenon of Clowns. For other articles on clowns see see Clowns.

Key Wikipedia articles are guarded by agents of the United States Federal Government: referred to as Clowns here on Wikipedia. Other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing views fairly, proportionately and without bias. However, these key articles are exempted from this. Also the clowns themselves are exempted from the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia, the United States Constitution and the norms of a civilized society. The term Clowns is typically capitalized as a title of disrespect.

Identifying Clowns

Clowns are easy to spot. They typically play games only a child could appreciate. Like all clowns they use props and are helpless without them. The most important props are claims that an article is stable and that the article reflects consensus. These props were handed to them by their circus masters and without them they would fall limp like a rag doll. They really have no ability to think for themselves.

Clowns typically run in packs, swarming over articles like they are trying to get inside a Volkswagen Beetle. The first reaction of the Clowns to any editor trying to improve an article (particular in terms of NPOV) typically is to double or triple-team the editor: reverting edits as quickly as they can be committed. If the editor persists in making changes to the article they will quickly exhibit their renown cowardice by charging the editor with violating the Three Revert Rule (3RR). If you have never even thought of violating the three revert rule and suddenly find you have, you have most likely encountered Clowns.

When debating them, they debate point by point. With each point they disregard any mention of the previous point. They will claim penultimate points were never made: only dealing with the last bit of any argument. This is the Clowns squirting daisy intended to bait editors into making personal attacks.

Finally, if editors remain polite and catch onto the Clowns antics. They will seek disciplinary action regardless: just because they are Clowns.

Elaborate editor histories on a variety of articles does not mean an editor is not a Clown. Clowns are encouraged to create a look of normalcy on all of their respective accounts.

Identifying circus rings

Circus rings (or key articles for US authority intervention) are most easily spotted by the prevalence of Clowns: claims that an article is stable, reflects consensus, etc.

When encountering a circus ring, we ask that editors add the category: [Category:USEBACA]] to both the article and the discussion page. Categories may be added anywhere though customarily to the bottom of a page. This indicates that the article is composed and controlled by United States executive branch authorities.

Dealing with Clowns

Different editors will likely want to take different approaches when encountering Clowns. The Clowns like to puff up their chests (usually blowing into their thumb) to make themselves seem big and scary. They say things to intimidate editors such as "Watch out for the NSA" or "You could get shipped off to Gitmo". Editors should just laugh hysterically at these jokes (some editors may choose to use the silent laugh of the Clowns: simply pantomiming the laugh).

For some editors, the best approach, when encountering Clowns, would be to simply move on to another article that is not a circus ring. If contributing to Wikipedia is still viewed as important to an editor despite the prevalence of Clowns, it is simply best to avoid the Clowns.

Other editors however, will be offended by the roaming free Clowns. In this case Wikipedia etiquette allows (even expects) editors to taunt the Clowns. This is easily done, because they have no sense of humor whatsoever. Tell them how much you love Clowns. How funny you think Clowns are. How silly they look. How disturbing they are. Show utter contempt for everything they stand for: they are basically mercenaries who would sell their mother into slavery if it would further their Clown goals.

Whatever you do, DO NOT feed the Clowns

Contributing time to Wikipedia is one thing. However, contributing money is highly unadvised. Wikipedia’s “Don'’t ask, don’t tell’ policy regarding Clowns means that it is endorsing the acts of representatives of the lion’s share of the United States Government: over $1 trillion dollars per year. This is a sum greater than the combined budgets of all other militaries worldwide. Wikipedia will not go away if you do not contribute your own money. There is an abundance already in the United States Federal budget. DO NOT FEED THE CLOWNS

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28news%29&action=edit&section=new

NEWSFLASH! Minutemen exposing federal authorities propagandizing on Wikipedia reaches

The Miniutemen

Dubbed the Miniutemen after the heros of the American revolution who bravely threw off the British imperialist in the 18th century, these contemporary Minutemen now bravely work to oust the imperialist from Wikipedia. These new imperialists are more insidious than the British, because these imperialists dominate from within. They do not wear red coats, but rather attempt to fit in with the rest of us;; rally us against ourselves; and all for the sake of what Erich Fromm called: “extreme opportunism”. The Whitehouse, by infiltrating Wikipedia, has shown utter contempt not only for our cherished, free, online encyclopedia, but also utter contempt for the Constitution of the United States of America. We citizens of the United States deserve a government that is an example to the rest of the world: above all one with a free and independent press. The current Whitehouse has decided to undo over 200 years of a free press in the United States to control the content of Wikipedia. Our hats go off to these brave and defiant Wiki editors.

We invite you to examine the history of these editors. These editors have all been blocked. And for what? The Whitehouse Clowns will tell you its because they are sockpuppets for Cplot. Yet they provide no evidence. And this only begs the question anyway,What are Cplot’s crimes. Examine Cplot’s contributions to Wikipedia. You will find someone who dutifully contributed content, worked to fix errors, and sought to negotiate compromise on every article encountered. Always looking for compromise. The record is clear. Cplot was blocked for disagreeing with the Whitehouse Clowns. The record is there so you can check it for yourselves.

Please join in openly protesting the Whitehouse invasion of Wikipedia. Include the red [[Category:goodbye-clowns]] category on your user talk page. The Whitehouse will never allow us to create a category and turn that category blue, but let it stay red in defiance!

• Cplot (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

User:Cplot

Suspected sockpuppeteer

1. Cplot (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) - See also: Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Cplot

Suspected Cplot sockpuppets (Minutement; keep in mind anyone can be a cplot sockpuppet. All you have to do is post this information anywhere outside an official article — e.g., Village Pump, Help Desk, Reference Desk, User Page, Talk Page).

1. 67.37.179.61 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
2. 70.8.49.7 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
3. 70.8.151.103 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
4. 68.30.26.171 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
5. 68.30.87.114 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
6. 70.8.91.12 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
7. 70.8.132.79 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
8. 70.8.150.51 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
9. 67.167.7.187 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
10. 209.175.170.63 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
11. 70.8.140.115 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
12. 68.30.118.128 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
13. 70.8.38.202 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
14. VIUlyanov (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
15. SoLittleTime (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
16. ScaredOfClowns (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
17. MyFavoriteMutiny (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
18. GenericClownTaunt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
19. RespectableWikiEditor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
20. EvenMoreRespectableWikiEditor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
21. GiveItAFewDays (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
22. ClownsAreCowards (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
23. WhosYourDaddyReally (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
24. ToTheTeet (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
25. LittleBoySoldier (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
26. DickCheneyShotMeInTheFace (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
27. HitTheRoad (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
28. RandCorpIsBadForAmerica (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
29. RandCorpIsGoodForAmerica (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
30. RandCorpIsAmerica (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
31. TilDaddyTakesTheTbirdAway (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
32. MeltTheGuns (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
33. ThatsEntertainment (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
34. Raul654WhatIsYourDeal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
35. WowYouGuysAreGood (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
36. WikiMediaFndn (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
37. PepeLePu (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
38. HowBoutAKissMONGO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
39. ILOVEMONGO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
40. SoColdTonight (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
41. Kang and Kodos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
42. Novus Ordo Seculorum (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
43. HowAboutThisNameThen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
44. WhyAllThisAnimosity (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
45. TheIlluminatiAreWatching (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
46. WhereHaveAllTheFlowersGone (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
47. DuckAndCover (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
48. IlluminatiAreWatching (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
49. NowhereToHide (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
50. WhosTheEnemy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
51. CutTheCarap (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
52. ItsALostCause (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
53. ItWillNeverEnd (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
54. BewareTheIlluminati (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
55. StopPropoganda (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
56. PlayFairNow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
57. WowYouClownsSuck (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
58. Mongology (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
59. WorldTurnedUpsideDown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
60. AirlineToHeaven (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
61. Fat cats, bigga fish (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
62. 'Tis of thee (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
63. HoComeNobodyLikesMe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
64. NPWA (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
65. Rumours of War (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
66. AnybodySeenMyMind (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
67. Take the first (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
68. Aren't we all brothers (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
69. ThisLandIsOurLand (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
70. LittlePlasticCastle (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
71. Eve of Destruction (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
72. What is their deal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
73. Garbage band (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
74. DrugOfTheNation (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
75. WaitingForTheGreatLeapForward (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
76. EveryoneDeservesMusic (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
77. Ghetto Manifesto (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
78. Party Music (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
79. Don't Start Nothin' Won't Be Nothin' (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
80. HowManyClowns2ScrewInALightbulb (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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81. CeciNesPasUneSockpuppet (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
82. InMyName (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
83. What a waste (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
84. OhTheFutility (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
85. OpenTheDoor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
86. 70.8.116.62 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
87. OurWeTheOnlyOnes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
88. HowManyCanFitInAVolkswagen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
89. Wha-tevv-ver (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
90. AnEncyclopediaForTheRestOfUs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
91. JustSendInTheClowns (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
92. SendInTheClownsAgaini (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
93. MonEnnui (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
94. TwoToweers (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
95. G Liddy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
96. What a wiki I'm having (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
97. USHLS, NSA, CIA,... but mostly BS (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
98. Wakeup 'cause Clowns will eat all of us (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
99. WhosAfraidOfRogeerRabbit (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
100. Bill Paige (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
101. Steve Gene Banks (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
102. USHLS, NSA, CIA,... but mostly BS (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
103. MonEnnui (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
104. Purgeusdhs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
105. OHMoronDevonshire (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
106. ImRickJamesBeeatch (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
107. WhoaNowWhyAreYouSayingThat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
108. IsItAllJustASham? (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
109. You_can't_always_get_whatyou_want (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
110. Listen_to_the_music_now (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
111. NowWhatsGonnaHappen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
112. HuckleberryHound (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
113. NotYetFree (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
114. WeAreTheOnes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
115. Heven Tonight (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
116. Kill my landlord (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
117. Don't need no alibi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
118. ItsPoeticJustice (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
119. DrugWarz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
120. TheFalseFlag (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
121. Skantada (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
122. ShakItOnDown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
123. Ass breath killers (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
124. ItsUpsideDown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
125. TakeItOutside (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
126. HaveYouSeenMyLove (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
127. Grade9 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
128. WrapYourArmsAroundMe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
129. HardConcrete (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
130. I live with it everyday (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
131. AnotherPostcard (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
132. InTheDrink (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
133. Just a toy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
134. CallMeCalmly (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
135. When I fall (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
136. 360P (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
137. USDHSUberAlles (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
138. CplotArbComSock (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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142. HardConcrete (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
143. Interrogation (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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145. ItsPoeticJustice (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
146. Don't need no alibi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
147. NotYetFree (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
148. Kill my landlord (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
149. DrugWarz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
150. Heven Tonight (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
151. TheFalseFlag (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
152. TheStars&BarsMakeAPerfectPrison (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
153. LazyMuthaFucka (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
154. ShakItOnDown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
155. BreathingApparatus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
156. Underdogs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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158. WhatThePoPosHate (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
159. Bullets&Love (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
160. WeAreTheOnes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
161. "Head" of state (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
162. ShoYoAss (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
163. Ass breath killers (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
164. Mind fuck (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
165. I love boosters (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
166. Yes 'em to daath (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
167. ThisIsWhereItEnds (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
168. TheFirstStand (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
169. I live with it everyday (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
170. CallMeCalmly (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
171. Just a toy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
172. InTheDrink (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
173. AnotherPostcard (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
174. WarOnDrugs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
175. ItsUpsideDown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
176. TakeItOutside (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
177. HaveYouSeenMyLove (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
178. Grade9 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
179. WrapYourArmsAroundMe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
180. USDHSUberAlles (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
181. FinancialLeprosy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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201. YouCanBombTheWorldToPiecesButYouCantBombItIntoPeace (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Lessons in the Constitution of the United States of America for Clowns

Clowns believe they are working for America. However consider this. For Clowns to be working for America, Congress would have to pass a bill enacting their program. However in 1791 the US Constitution was amended to say: “Congress shall make no law […] abridging the freedom of […] press”. So as you can see, Congress would have to make a law to enable Clowns. Yet Congress has no authority to make Clowns. You can see the problem here.

'Please won't you give generously for Tbeatty's impotence problem.

Fabricating evidence on Cplot now

See this and look through Tbeatty's edit history to confirm. --JustSendInTheClowns 01:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)