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Thanks for the welcome. I'll try to do my bit. Hope I don't make too many mitsakes. ;-) Hebrides 17:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Girgoriev

Hi there, Hebrides! Take a look at Popov, it'll surprise you even more :). When I create disambigs for people, I use dufferent encyclopedias to make sure these folks are notable, that's all. Good luck! KNewman 12:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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Hommage

You changed Hommage to Homage in Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen. I have reverted. The album is actually called Hommage. Please ensure that your valuable botting activities don't change it again. Thanks. Hebrides 09:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Ta H. I've made note of it. Cheers, CmdrObot 22:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

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thanks for the contributions you made to my article

Periplus

Hey I seemed to have got into misunderstandings with wetman - all I meant was for the article to look better it needed a reference. I had looked at it because the publsher - Periplus Editions was in Singapore 20 years ago doing guide books about Indonesia - and I was trying to work out what might be needed for an article on the publisher - but the link was to tuttle who must have taken them over! oh well strange things happen. SatuSuro 15:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

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Publishing company

It's because the publishing company is listed in Category:Historic preservation - which is predominantly about the historic preservation of buildings - perhaps there should be a new category for something like Category:Recorded music preservation? I can only apologise and remove the tag. kind regards--Mcginnly | Natter 15:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for catching graffiti

Thanks for punting those vandalized entries on the Ng page, made famous by Obama's half-sister. EJohn59 (talk) 14:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)EJohn59

Ulrik

On the Ulrik page you replaced {{given name}} with {{hndis}}. It states on the hndis documentation page "A page that lists all people with the given name "Jayson" should use {{given name}}." As this page doesnt have multiple people just called Ulrik, and only people with the given name Ulrik, then the given name template is surely the correct one? Tassedethe (talk) 17:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure. The "hndis" generates the text "This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same personal name" which is what the Ulrik page is. When I put "given name" on a page, it then gets tagged as uncategorised, but when I put "hndis" it doesn't. That's why I changed "given name" to "hndis". Is "personal name" the same as "given name"? Why does a page tagged "given name" get labelled as uncategorised? It's all rather confusing... -- Hebrides (talk) 20:37, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I think 2 things are occuring here. There was a major edit to the given name template in January which I think has broken the categorization of given names. I am asking the editor to look at their edits. Also I think the hndis message is ambiguous, which is unfortunate for a disambiguation template! "Given name" seems unambiguous (synonymous with Christian name), "Surname" is unambiguous (synonymous with family name), but hndis should really refer to "full name". When it says "associated with the same personal name" that could mean "given name" (as you have thought) or "full name" (which is what I think is meant). "Full name" makes sense in the context of "given name" and "surname". If hndis also meant "given name" then there would be no need to have 2 separate templates. I think a wider discussion to clarify the hndis template is needed. Tassedethe (talk) 22:22, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I started a discussion on the hndis page . Tassedethe (talk) 06:30, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Someone has fixed the template {{given name}} so you should be able to add it to appropriate pages and get the correct category. There is more info on name disambiguation pages at MOS:DABNAME. Thanks. Tassedethe (talk) 08:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Sasagawa

Hello, you have a new message at Talk:Sasagawa--gordonrox24 (talk) 20:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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That Bot

Hi, I previously blocked that bot for a few hours because I did not understand what positive contributions it is making. I see that you have raised more concerns on its Talk Page. Could you provide a few diffs so I can re-assess the situation? Graham. Graham Colm ^Talk 20:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi again, I have checked the diffs myself and I have blocked this bot indefinitely. In my view it is deleting valid links. The owner's response to my initial enquiry was not very helpful. Graham. Graham Colm ^Talk 20:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Graham. I was getting more than a little frustrated after spending hours creating pages and carefully searching for interwiki links by hand, only to have them zapped by a bot. At last, a bit of peace. -- Hebrides (talk) 20:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome, I am still learning this admin stuff—I prefer to write about viruses—but I think I have made the right call in this case. Best wishes, Graham.Graham Colm ^Talk 21:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for this diff. I was beginning to feel like I was holding one lone candle... in the growing darkness of a very windy night... my flickering flame threatening to flutter out. My own arrival on Wikipedia was inside the heart of a raging storm, so I can feel a newcomer's angst. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 08:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

My feelings were similar when you appeared on the scene. I find your approach so refreshing and reassuring. Some editors seem to expect a new article to spring forth fully formed, referenced, conforming to every policy, with impeccable grammar, structure, spelling, expressed succinctly and displaying no point of view, bias or conflict of interest. However, I'm of the opinion that the great strength of a wiki is that it allows collaborative authoring, so that the germ of an idea can be worked up co-operatively, pooling everyone's skills to produce something outstanding. Unfortunately, some editors' skills seem limited to deleting stubs as soon as they appear, confounding this creative process. It's particularly unfortunate when the contributor is new to Wikipedia, and when the reasons for deletion are not totally rational. -- Hebrides (talk) 19:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. My own motto is "I'd rather fix the damn pipe than complain about having wet feet." Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

About Coronatus

Hi, I'm relatively new to wikipedia. I'm not 100% sure about the year of Coronatus' formation. So if you did kind of a translation to the German article, it must be more reliable. Thank you. Meanwhile, I'll try to search for reliable third-party sources. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookiki (talk • contribs) 18:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! I won't hesitate to ask you questions if I have. Once again, thank you. Cookiki (talk) 07:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Why explore space

Dear Hebrides, you're good at putting compilation page, such as Fahmi. Can you help put together a page with this title. If you do a Wiki search, you'll find referencing these 3 words in Edward Ng, Norman Horowitz, International Space Station, etc. So you can list these links, at least, and probably a few more. There is also a famous speech by Hawking in external link, http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/2209/full Please help create such page, and I'll add to it. I know if I create, it'll suffer speedy deletion. Thanks. --Joan kingston (talk) 15:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)Joan_k

Joan, that's an interesting idea, but leaves me wondering why. Have you read the articles that Wikipedia already has? For example, Space advocacy, Space exploration, Space colonization, Space and survival, and many others linked from those, seem to provide a very comprehensive treatment of why we should explore space. I haven't quite understood why you think Wikipedia needs another article, or what's missing from the ones it already has. Hebrides (talk) 20:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I probably inadvertently misled you away from what was intended in my mind. Citing your page Fahmi as example, I was hoping for a page without prose, only a list of Wiki and external links, almost like a bunch of redirects, to guide users to the basic arguments for and against Space. This was prompted by a recent question on TV when the Hubble repair team broadcasted to schools. For students they’d use common language like “Why space”, instead of terms like advocacy and strategy. But even looking at the various pages you cited, it's hard to find the top 5 reasons for and top 5 against Space. When I searched, as a typical student would, with those 3 words, I did not get to tha pages you cited. Instead, I got to a bunch of apples, oranges and lemons. Also, when I heard of that famous speech by Hawking, I could not find it in WP. There was supposed to be another famous speech by Neil Tyson but hard to find. So the main intent of this “referencing page” is to lead students toward other WP links that may guide them for easier search. Hope this makes more sense.--Joan kingston (talk) 16:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)Joan_k

I see. I'm not sure whether Wikipedia has a place for pages like this. It isn't a disambiguation page, or one of the "List of ..." pages. Please point me to other wikipedia pages similar to what you have in mind. I don't recall seeing any pages that simplify topics to the extent that they just give the top 5 reasons for and against something. -- Hebrides (talk) 20:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, what I envisioned would have been a page of annotated redirects somewhat similar in style to hawker, and Dyson, but of course different in contents. Here a student would find names of people, organizations or ideas for and against space. However, a second look into this topic among the WP pages finds it not feasible because the links seem to be mostly on the pros side leaving the cons side begging for info. I'd hope to hear some notable quote such as, "Why send all the money to Mars when we have so many problems on Planet Earth?" It's disappointing because I expect Wiki to be that bastion in neutrality. So much for an afternoon idea! Hope I didn’t waste too much of your time, but your opinion is valued.--Joan kingston (talk) 16:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Joan_k

PS to previous msg -- Just for the heck of it, I searched WP with the 3 words "Why Iraq War", and the first 20 results are so meaningful, that would make a good page of annotated redirects. But of course the non sequiter is that if a simple search would give the desired results, who needs a separate page?--Joan kingston (talk) 16:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Joan_k

I think we may have come to a conclusion on this one - that a suitable search can often produce you a screenful of links of the type you are envisaging. And if you think Wikipedia is biased, the great strength of the wiki idea is that you can help to rebalance it by writing the missing articles – from a neutral point of view, of course ;-) Hebrides (talk) 06:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Neil deGrasse Tyson page

Dear WP Admin, I see you just went into some clean up of this page. I've been frustrated by one thing, which you may be able to help. This page has by far the most numbers of refs & citations, and yet some person kept tagging it as not enough. If one looks at the 4 external refs, one can write a beautiful life story of Tyson. But I don't understand what the hack he/she wants. I can put those refs linked to every paragraph, because the vitae given describe his entire life but multi-links would be silly. Can you give some advice. Tyson is the modern Sagan, very famous in the US. If some day his people are mad enough to withdraw his entry from WP, it's your loss, not his. Please advise. --EJohn59 (talk) 03:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)EJohn (perplexed)

Hello and thanks for your message. I'm not a "WP Admin" (but flattered to be addressed as such!), but just a humble editor; but I've had a good look at the page, and also spent some time formatting some of the references better.

These "improve" type banners have a standard wording, which does not always exactly address the problem. It seems in this case that the emphasis should be on the bit that says, "by adding reliable sources". There is a lot of information at Wikipedia:Reliable sources about the kind of reliable source that Wikipedia aims for. So it's not the quantity of citations that is being questioned here, but their quality, and how much of the factual information in the article is covered by them.

In a case like this, I don't think for a minute that anyone is questioning Neil deGrasse Tyson's notability, or proposing deleting the page. But it would be better to back up the facts about him by citing reliable third-party sources than by citing material published by him or by organisations he is associated with.

Let's take a ridiculous imaginary example. Suppose, for example, I wanted to write an article about somebody who was chairman of the International Underwater Knitting Association (IUKA). I could probably find lots of information about him on the IUKA website and on his own website, find his videos on Youtube, his contributions to wikis, forums, personal networking sites, etc, etc. What's more, I might have written a thesis on underwater knitting, and I could cite that. But these would be of little use from Wikipedia's point of view. What would rescue the article would be a reference to substantial articles in, for example, the London Times, the Washington Post, the BBC, a well-known university text book, etc. There's more detail about all of this on Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources.

So my conclusions on looking at the Neil deGrasse Tyson article were that it doesn't need more references, but that the emphasis needs to be on the high quality references - at the moment the Time and New York Times references are not very noticeable. I would be tempted to remove some of the references to his own website, and to Youtube videos, and to aim for a higher density of what Wikipedia calls "reliable third-party sources". A few reliable sources that together support most of the factual material in the article would be much better.

Note, by the way, that "reliable" is used here in a technical sense - there is no question as to whether what this man writes about himself is true or whether you can rely on it - but Wikipedia aspires to achieving a more rigorous level of reliability than you get simply by believing what people write or say about themselves, or what their friends say about them.

Hope that makes some sense. Best regards and thanks for your efforts to improve Wikipedia. Hebrides (talk) 07:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Howdy, thank you for taking the time to provide such detailed explanation. I’m impressed that you have been going around cleaning up a great variety of pages, thus prompting my question to you. OK, I understand the need for 3rd party sources, and I tip my hat to your highlighting those from Time, NY Times and Space Foundation. The misleading aspect of the tag was to ask for adding more, as if 25 were not enough. But there is still one grey area puzzle that you may be able to enlighten. When we look at pages of typical professors, we rely heavily on their institutions’ official CV as primary sources. After all, those are probably most complete and current. We readers typically place the trust in the notability of the institutions, such as Oxford and Harvard. If the institution were some unknown, then we have great reservations. In some sense Oxford and Harvard have passed many public scrutinizing and rigorous tests. I suspect that we may need to tag most professors if we don’t trust their institutional web pages. Does this rule of thumb apply in this case, that is, in the US, Hayden is known as the Harvard of Planetariums. Of course, that transfers the burden to the Hayden page.

But meanwhile, let me dig up a few more 3rd party sources, such as Discovery, PBS, Cosmos, IAF,...--EJohn59 (talk) 20:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)EJohn

Do given name pages dont need a disamb tag?

Hi Hebrides, Do the given name pages that you're creating not need a {{disamb}} tag to be added since they have the given names tag? Thanks Lilaac (talk) 20:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me :)

The answer is No, they don't. Basically, MOS:DABNAME makes it clear: I quote:

"Pages only listing persons with a certain given name or surname (unless they are very frequently referred to by that name alone) are not disambiguation pages, and this Manual of Style does not apply to them. In such cases, do not use {{disambig}} or {{hndis}}, but {{given name}} or {{surname}} instead."

Discussions on this have been long and convoluted, and give rise to differences between different language wikipedias. If you're interested there's a recent discussion at MediaWiki talk:Disambiguationspage#Re-add_.7B.7Bsurname.7D.7D. Cheers - Hebrides (talk) 20:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

THanks for the letting me know, I was adding disamb tags behind you like a dumbo, let me go undo them :-( ... Lilaac (talk) 20:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

LOL :) I'd no idea I was being followed. It is confusing and I made all sorts of mistakes putting the wrong tag on when I first started making this type of page - and people kindly corrected me. Hebrides (talk) 20:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Orphan tags on {{surname}} pages

This conversation was previously alternately here and on User talk:Postcard Cathy; it has been interleaved to make it into a readable discussion, and the subsequent comments from NSH001 have been included. It starts with a comment from me to Postcard Cathy that I placed on her talk page...

Hi, I'm confused. You've been putting orphan tags on pages marked with the {{surname}} tag - see Adolfas, Adamou, Blignaut and Dobrovský.

The {{surname}} tag produces text which says, "If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change that link to point directly to the intended article." The orphan tage produces text which says, "Please introduce links to this page from other articles related to it." It seems strange to have both appearing on the same article.

Historically, {{surname}} pages have never been tagged as orphans - it just doesn't make any sense to do so. Something seems to have gone awry in the classification of these pages, stemming from the fact that English Wikipedia (unlike all other languages) does not technically classify {{surname}} and {{given name}} pages as disambiguation pages.

How should we tackle this to prevent the many hundreds of {{surname}} and {{given name}} pages being given a totally inappropriate orphan tag? Hebrides (talk) 10:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I am not an expert on either orphans or names. The only thing I can think of, other than contacting someone who knows more than I do on orphans, is to make certain pages disamb articles. Some articles on names are simply disamb articles. Others are more specific, giving things like origins of the name and other historical/factual info. All I know is that as is, they keep popping up as orphaned pages needing tags. If I don't tag them, a bot will. So it is stupid to revert my edits. If there is some sort of forum where you can ask people who know more about orphans, I suggest posting it there. Postcard Cathy (talk) 21:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

That's the strange thing - bots simply don't tag these pages as orphans. What's more, I just tried AWB on the pages - it's very good at checking out orphans and adding the orphan tag - but it doesn't tag these pages. I've created hundreds of {{surname}} pages, and you're the only editor as far as I can remember who has ever put an orphan tag on them. -- Hebrides (talk) 21:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

You are talking to the wrong person. I really don't know what to tell you. I just know there is a bot that categorizes them as orphaned articles needing orphan tags. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan#Suggestions_for_how_to_de-orphan_an_article Both Lonelypages and Untagged Orphans are finding them and putting them on their lists. Please discuss it with them. All I know is that they are showing up as meeting the criteria for orphan tags. And as I said in my orphan summaries, as long as they show up there, I will tag them as orphans. How to NOT get them listed as needing a tag is something I know nothing about.Postcard Cathy (talk) 21:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan#Suggestions_for_how_to_de-orphan_an_article, which I've checked out. I then read the talk page for that article, and found that it clearly states that adding orphan tags to surname pages is pointless. Please see Wikipedia_talk:Orphan#Surname_pages, which then links to a further discussion. In view of this, would you like to remove those orphan tags you inserted, or would you like me to do it? Sorry about this - it's always a bit discouraging when you find that some work you've done has to be undone - but hey that's life! Btw I had a look at your "user contributions" and you do soooo much brilliant hard work for WP - you put me to shame! Cheers (and admiration) -- Hebrides (talk) 21:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't meant to sound cranky or rude but I was so done with this a long time ago. As long as they appear on the lists of articles to be tagged, I will tag them because as I understand it, if I don't then a bot will. So do as you want. The issue as I see it is how not to be listed by those tools. Until the tools don't list them anymore, they will be tagged. Please don't follow up with me again on this topic (but feel free to talk with me on others! :P) since I feel I am repeating and repeating and repeating and repeating and repeating..... Postcard Cathy (talk) 21:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Let me quote from Wikipedia_talk:Orphan#Surname_pages:

Is there any point in surname pages being labelled "Orphan"? It just clutters the page unnecessarily. There are unlikely to be any useful links to such a page - it serves a role similar to a disambiguation page, and may or may not also have information about the surname as a word - and even in this function there are not likely to be links to it, though it will be valuable to people who use "Go" or "Search" in entering WP to find out about the name. For a recent example, see Abu Taleb, where an orphan tag has been added, removed, replaced. PamD (talk) 15:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Nope, I agree. Most surname pages are disambiguation pages & the orphan criteria doesn't apply. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I have now raised this issue at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Orphanage#.7B.7Bsurname.7D.7D_pages and suggest that any further responses should go there - not so much "Forum-shopping" as an attempt to find the best place to discuss my concerns. PamD (talk) 08:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, they should be called set indices. -- œ^™ 00:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, I recommend you read Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Orphanage#.7B.7Bsurname.7D.7D_pages as it makes clear that the orphan criteria will very soon be changed since surname pages are currently wrongly classified as orphans. It's going to change very soon. Don't waste your time tagging them. It will all have to be undone. BTW I actually thought you'd be pleased that I was saving you from wasting your time - please don't get irritated. -- Hebrides (talk) 22:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

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Cathy, the same applies to {{given name}} pages such as Chrissie. A moment's reflection shows that adding orphan tags to such pages is pointless. I suggest you ask for the toolserver script to be amended so that it doesn't flag surname and given name pages, since they are just variants of dab pages. Good luck -- NSH001 (talk) 22:26, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

It isn't an issue for me but it seems to be an issue for you, Hebrides and others. I threw out talking to the toolserver editor for those of you that have an issue with it. It is a Mexican standoff. The rules say if it is on that list, it should be tagged. I am going to tag it. If you feel it shouldn't be tag, do what you feel you should do to make sure it doesn't end up on the list of articles to be tagged. Now, this really is my final time discussing this topic. I have repeated myself too many times. If you and anyone else don't want names to be tagged as orphans, do what YOU feel you need to do to make sure it doesn't end up on a list of articles to be tagged. Postcard Cathy (talk) 22:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Cathy, you say you're a member of Mensa on your user page, so this surely shouldn't be difficult for you to see. Surely I don't need to explain the obvious to you? The Chrissie article has been around for 8 months, and no bot has attempted to tag it in that period (not surprising, of course). The correct course of action is to suggest to the author of the toolserver script that he/she change it to exclude surname and given name pages (they can easily be identified by their categories). Please don't waste the time of other editors by making pointless changes. Thanks, and good luck again. --NSH001 (talk) 22:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

American Esperantist

I'm a bit confused as to why you removed the {{deadend}} tag from American Esperantist in this edit. You didn't introduce any blue links into the article, so it's still a deadend article. Care to enlighten me?--Fabrictramp | talk to me 15:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for spotting that. How strange. My fault. I was using AWB to step through a few hundred pages this morning; and I find AWB is usually very good at adding tags (for orphans, uncategorised, wikify, etc) when needed, and occasionally removing tags that are no longer needed. Obviously I didn't look carefully enough at its suggestion on this page, and I'm not sure why it suggested removing the deadend tag when adding an orphan tag. I must watch carefully for that in future, and make sure I check whether the link(s) on the page are redlinks (it's displayed in edit mode, so there's no visual clue when a link is red). I've repaired it, so it now has both a deadend and orphan tag. Sorry about that -- Hebrides (talk) 20:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem -- I just wanted to check that I hadn't lost my marbles. :) --Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:28, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Sturge

Unprotected at your request. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I just tried to create it. It's still protected, and won't let me create... Hebrides (talk) 13:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Try it again; haven't done one of these in a while. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:19, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes it worked this time. Thanks. Hebrides (talk) 13:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Helen Gloag

I gave the article a bit of expansion and some sourcing. If the nominator had followed even the least of WP:BEFORE, it would have never been tossed into AfD. If the intention was to force improvement, he misused the process. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 20:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

She's been saved. Improvements impressed the speedy closer. Nomination was by a banned user. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 06:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Ausbuy

Please consider (Orphan): There are two external links, in particular referring to two books, and I think this is might be enough of my contribution to the article Ausbuy. Greetings,--Fox1942 (talk) 12:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I looked at the history of the Ausbuy page, and must apologise for appearing to be doing battle over the orphan tag - which is not the case. When I use the wikibrowser called AWB, it suggests changes to a page, which I can either accept or reject - and I seem to have visited this Ausbuy page twice recently and each time it suggested an Orphan tag.

However, the orphan tag is in fact correct in this case. Orphan means that it does not have enough other wikipedia articles linking to it - too few articles mention Ausbuy with a link to the article. If you go to the Ausbuy page, click on "What links here" on the left, and you'll see it's just a handful of user pages - no proper articles link to it. This makes it an orphan.

To improve the page, it needs both incoming links and also links to other related pages on wikipedia. It also needs more inline references.

It also seems to repeat itself needlessly, and the later part is not written as an objective encyclopaedia article, but more like a persuasive advertisement written for Australians to read.

Hope that helps. -- Hebrides (talk) 14:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kind help. Within the next few weeks I will try to improve the article in the sense you have adviced me. Greetings, --Fox1942 (talk) 15:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Good to have you on board :) Hebrides (talk) 15:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate very much your kind help to improve the article - I learnt a lot to write much more better articles in future in en.Wikipedia! Best Greetings from the Australian Tropics at the South Pacific.--Fox1942 (talk) 17:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I have implemented some aspects of moral suasion.--Fox1942 (talk) 12:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

You also deleted the orphan tag!? Articles are orphans if they don't have other articles linking to them – strictly it remains an orphan until it has three articles linking to it (and that doesn't include list pages, disambiguation pages, user pages, etc). If you view the Ausbuy page and then click "What links here" on the left, you'll see that it is still technically an orphan, so you ought to put the tag back. It needs some links to it from other pages, but I don't think any other WP articles refer to Ausbuy yet. -- Hebrides (talk) 19:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, sorry to delete the orphan tag, but then you might put the orphan tag back - I simply give up, because most likely this article hardly will meet the technical criteria of deleting an orphan tag. So it be. If you do not think this article is worth to be in Wikipedia, then we should consider to cancel it? Nevertheless I thank you for your kind help to "fix" this article. Best greetings from Australia, --Fox1942 (talk) 23:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I have put the orphan tag back. --Fox1942 (talk) 23:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I think we may be confusing two things here: whether an article should exist; and whether an article has room for improvement. Tags like {{orphan}}, {{wikify}}, {{Primarysources}}, {{Unreferenced}}, etc., are part of the normal development of an article. What happens is that these tags not only give a message on screen when you view the article, but also add the article to a list of articles that need a certain type of improvement. There are communities of wikipedia editors who specialise in certain types of editing. See, for example, the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Orphanage – and the long list of dedicated "de-orphaners" further down the page. Also, readers of an article who may know it is related to other subject areas may see the orphan tag and it might prompt them to spend a few minutes creating links to the article from other articles they know. It's all part of the power of collaborative authoring… -- Hebrides (talk) 05:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

It just occurred to me that you may be thinking that the message "This article is an orphan, as few or no other articles link to it. Please introduce links to this page from other articles related to it." is addressed to you in particular. It's not. It's actually a message to everybody. I sometimes tag articles I've worked on, as a way of inviting other people to do the bits I haven't managed to do. Hope that might help. -- Hebrides (talk) 06:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Now I understand much more the intention of an Orphan Tag. I appreciate very much your kind help and clarification! --Fox1942 (talk) 15:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

R. M. Engelhardt

You did some nice work there. I have myself done some deep searching and feel it is just a sliver on the wrong side of guideline notability. HOWEVER... his group Albany Poets does seem to tweak on the happy side of notability [1], and if there were on article on them, a few paragraphs about their founder would fit in quite nicely. I opined a userfication at the AfD based upon the search for the group and his appeal to an admin. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 06:25, 28 June 2009 (UTC).

Wow, you're fast!

Do you ever sleep? ;-) Thanks for fixing that H S Seung article. By now you might have noticed my special affinity for Harvard & MIT, though I was not good enough to study there! While I have your attention, may I ask you to look at N C Yeh, and advise why hers is a stub, vs. non-stub for H S Seung? Just curious, no big deal. --EJohn59 (talk) 15:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)EJohn

I do sleep, but here in UK the sun rises and sets at the wrong times, so we have to sleep and wake at the wrong times too ;-)

I'm not an expert on "stubness", so I looked up the stub question on WP:STUB, which says, "A stub is an article containing only a few sentences of text which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information." It also says, "There is no set size at which an article stops being a stub."

Based on that, I wouldn't regard either of these articles as a stub. What do you think? -- Hebrides (talk) 19:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your usual enlightening clarification. I'll alert Kgwu who created the Yeh article, if he wants to take away the stub status. Personally, I like that Einstein picture on the stub page, especially for a female scientist. --EJohn59 (talk) 22:26, 6 July 2009 (UTC)EJohn

ATCvet code QI05

Hi Hebrides! Please do not unlink section headers in ATC code lists like ATCvet code QI05. This is the only convenient place in these lists to link to related articles. Thanks --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 09:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry – I was following MOS:HEAD. Where are exceptions documented? -- Hebrides (talk) 21:02, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Hebrides, I think you're right -- the article in question looks to me to be pretty far off MOS. I'd suggest replacing the header link with a {{seealso}} template immediately below the header. -Pete (talk) 00:05, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think this isn't documented anywhere, I was just following the practice of pages like ATC code C01. I agree that this doesn't conform with MOS; but before moving the links to {{seealso}}, I'd place the issue at WT:PHARM. There are about 100 pages like that, and we should keep things consistent. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 07:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

AWB

Hebrides, thanks for all your automated edits -- but you may want to reconsider some of them. I haven't looked through them in detail, so maybe this is just a one-time issue -- but this edit isn't really helpful, and if you're doing a lot like that, I'd say it's a bit counterproductive (cluttering edit histories with unneeded edits, setting a poor example for new users, etc.) There's no policy about whether category tags should go above or below stub tags; When you find an order you disagree with, the best thing to do is leave it as-is. -Pete (talk) 00:05, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Pete, for pointing that out. A few of my edits are like that. Sometimes for a bit of relaxation I fire up AWB, load in 100 pages at random, then run through them, checking that AWB isn't suggesting anything ridiculous or wrong before I approve the suggested changes. I must admit that I don't always calculate the benefits of a suggested change against the cluttering aspect you highlighted; many suggested changes are applying MOS aspects that I haven't studied in detail. However, I do often press the Ignore button when the suggested edit simply re-orders the tags with no effect on the appearance of the page, and I'll try to make a point of doing that more rigorously.

Incidentally, I notice that a recent update to AWB started putting DEFAULTSORT tags onto pages with lowercase words in the title, like this – I guess from this that the sorting algorithm on Category pages is case sensitive, though I haven't investigated. These edits seem to be creating a lot of clutter, and I've had some of them reverted (probably by editors who didn't notice the uppercase letter). I'd value your opinion as to whether these are worthwhile or not.

Thanks for getting in touch. -- Hebrides (talk) 07:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I really don't think the occasional edit like the one mentioned above is a big deal, just thought I'd point it out in case you were on some campaign to do thousands of 'em :) As for DEFAULTSORT, I can't really imagine where it would be helpful outside of proper names -- if AWB is smart enough to distinguish humans with Western-ish names, that seems like a useful feature. But as for what you're describing, I'm not sure what the purpose could possibly be...but, I'm not really an expert on that stuff, maybe there's something I'm unaware of? -Pete (talk) 17:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Special Barnstar

		The Special Barnstar
		for your kind message at User talk:Quentinwllcs. GeorgeLouis (talk) 23:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

My first ever barnstar! Thanks – that's very special – you really made my day :))) -- Hebrides (talk) 19:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I think you were very kind to Quentin — kinder than I have been. GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks for cleaning up the article. I did not have the energy to do it myself. Eventually it will have to be rewritten to include information from the newspaper stories. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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Well, Quentin — or Kenny, as his real name is — has apparently been banned for using sockpuppets. I feel sorry for him, but his edits were not helpful. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 03:10, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Averda dead end no longer dead?

I tried to clean up Averda a little bit. I was wondering if you wanted to take a look and see if it is OK to remove the 'dead end' tag and uncategorizzed tag &c. Thank you Decora (talk) 14:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You're right – you've done some good work on this article. I've removed the deadend and wikify tags (and added a couple of references) – but I left the orphan tag because there don't seem to be any articles that link to it. I also left the refimprove in view of the fact that {{citation-needed}} still occurs three times. Cheers -- Hebrides (talk) 19:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Alexander Esters

What issues do you have with this article? It seems good to me. --BwB (talk) 19:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello BWB, and thanks for your message, which has left me slightly puzzled. I've done a couple of edits to Alexander Esters: this one on 20 June, which just standardised a few capital letters ("Friday", "November", etc); and this one on July 1, which did some minor tidying, capital letters (again!), and changed a few spaces to non-breaking spaces. I wasn't aware that either of these edits implied that I had "issues" with the article. In fact, the article seems to be coming on quite well. Please explain… -- Hebrides (talk) 20:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Tireless contributor

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		. . . for extraordinary work in creating articles! GeorgeLouis (talk) 22:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Move these barnstars to your User Page if you feel like it. Cheers! GeorgeLouis (talk) 22:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I add my applause to well-deserved accolade! You have been especially helpful to clumsy editors like me.--EJohn59 (talk) 15:47, 14 August 2009 (UTC)EJohn

re: Etienne Aigner

Thanks! Well, you're more than welcome to delete them as you see fit. I have no issues with that at all. I was hoping one of these days to do at least the Indonesian and Javanese versions, if not add to the German- but the "to do" lists just seem to pile up! As far as I know, only the German wiki version exists. You have caught me out bit here, I must admit I did cheat by.. err.. "borrowing" the Hugo Boss article and amending it as needed- as the two are surprisingly similar in many ways. Thanks, and amend away with my blessings!Starstylers (talk) 16:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

'Country'

Hi, Hebrides. I've just come across the recently created - and soon to be deleted! - category:Country. Having removed the sole category which had been wrongly placed there by its creator, it now only contains your sandbox. Somewhere in the text you must have [[Category:Country]] for some reason. I'd like to get the category speedily deleted but need it to be emptied first. Could you please check your page and remove the category (or if you need it as text only place a colon before it, thus - [[:Category:Country]] so it doesn't put your page in that category? Many thanks. Enaidmawr (talk) 23:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I've removed it. It was in an experimentation section that I copied from somewhere and was trying out. I usually remember to deactivate category lines (eg if I userify a page to work on it) to prevent a sandbox appearing in the category, but this one slipped through the net! Cheers -- Hebrides (talk) 07:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Didn't want to be cheeky and do it myself, even if I'd had the time to find it! Thanks again, Enaidmawr (talk) 18:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Sfânta Elena

Hi Hebrides. Thanks a lot for your help there. I appreciate it. Have a nice day! --Vejvančický (talk) 21:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you, and to find out I've done something right! Keep up the good work. -- Hebrides (talk) 05:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

...a nice surprise in my watchlist! It's a rare phenomenon here on Wikipedia! Thanks again, Hebrides! :)) --Vejvančický (talk) 16:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

YHANK YOUUUU!!!!

Henmor (talk) 09:57, 26 August 2009 (UTC) Thank you very match for helping me .... I added the references that you suggested!! if it's possible can you check it one more time.. I have searched more ref.. if i'll find i will ad more...and now how we can delete that request? can you do that? conflict of interest-i don't understand what can i do with this request  ??? :((( can you help please....Henmor (talk) 09:57, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Henmor (talk) 10:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC) I just wonted to thank you!!!!!

I replied on your talk page :) Hebrides (talk) 06:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for copy editing here[2]. I meant to calculate the "x years" but "several" does just as well. Best, DVD 07:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Easy mistake to make – I've done it at least x times myself. It's an interesting and well-written article – thanks for all your hard work on WP. Cheers, Hebrides (talk) 06:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Creangă

Oh, God, yes. Thank you for that. Dahn (talk) 21:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Mistakes are weird. When you read them yourself, the brain seems to have an autocorrect mechanism, and you read what you meant to write – that’s what makes collaborative writing on WP so potentially powerful :) Cheers – Hebrides (talk) 06:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Name pages

Hi, please note that articles about names are not disambiguation pages, so more than one link per line is permitted on them. See MOS:DABNAME which explains the difference.

If you are interested in articles about names, please join WP:WikiProject Anthroponymy! - Fayenatic (talk) 21:30, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Fayenatic, and thanks for dropping by. I just had a look at your userpage and I seem to have quite a bit in common with you :)

My reference to MOS in my Edit Summary was wrong – I must admit – thanks for pointing that out :) – English wikipedia is really peculiar – all the other language WPs that I edit classify pages that are lists of shared surnames or given names as disambiguation pages, but English WP has the {{surname}} and {{given name}} tags, which are not disambiguation pages but for many purposes are treated as such. Take, for example, the compromise that had to be reached in adding a section at the bottom of MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage because zealous bots were removing interwiki links between English name pages and non-English disambiguation pages. Then there was a really long discussion about name pages getting classified as orphans, resulting in this change in June this year.

Returning to the question under discussion, although my Edit Summary was factually wrong, I somehow have the feeling that this may be another area where pages that are simply bulleted lists of names can learn from the disambiguation rules – what I mean is that the reasoning behind sticking to one link per line on a disambiguation page is often valid reasoning when applied to surname or given name pages. Certainly I only put one link per line when I create them (I've created a few hundred), and I tend to stick to a disambiguation ‘look and feel’ because I think that the disambiguation format is tried and tested, clear, functional and well thought out.

Is there any good reason to allow multiple links per line on surname or given name pages?

Best regards, Hebrides (talk) 07:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, please excuse the delay in replying. If those bots have quit cutting links between English name pages and other disam/name pages, I'm very glad to hear it!

As for multiple links: name pages should be articles, not just lists. Good ones have information on the origin, history, distribution, popularity, variants etc. A disam page is an informatively-structured index, which has strict style rules, but a name article can be more flexible. If a person is listed with an unusual profession/specialism/etc, I might want to click directly on the link to that subject without having first to navigate to the article on the person. That's my 2p worth, anyway! Fayenatic (talk) 19:55, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can see, some name pages are encyclopaedic articles about the name, others simply have the same indexing function as disambiguation pages, and there seems to be something of a continuum in between.

BTW, have you seen the excellent way they do name pages in Icelandic WP? I really like it. See, for example, is:Einar to see what I mean (or others in the category is:Flokkur:Íslensk karlmannsnöfn). Hebrides (talk) 09:05, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Ani Batikian

Good work! Well done. Teapotgeorge^Talk 21:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks :) Hebrides (talk) 21:45, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

A. M. Nair

Hi, Hebrides. A. M. Nair founded the restaurant in 1949. And now his son G. M. Nair is the master. The restaurant is very famous as authentic Indian food. Ok? See [3]--Bukubku (talk) 08:31, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me. I've replaced the link with a little more explanatory text so that nobody else makes the same mistake as I did! Best regards, Hebrides (talk) 08:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your understanding. He also published his autobiography book in Japan.[4] And his son published book about curry.[5] They are famous.--Bukubku (talk) 08:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Possible vandalism on Einstein

Dear Hebrides, please take a look at Albert Einstein Medal. When my friend did a Google search and got to this page, she was shocked. It seems like the anonymous edit 2 revisions ago did the vandalism. I'd undo the last 2 edits, but one seemed to be done by a bot. So, I thought I'd better double check with an expert. Or should we report to an admin? --EJohn59 (talk) 03:27, 8 October 2009 (UTC)EJ

Thanks to your friend for spotting this one. I reverted it. I’ve added this page to my watchlist so that I’ll know when it’s been changed, and can keep an eye on it. The bot edit that also got reverted in the process had just added back all the links to other language wikis that the vandal had removed. The anonymous vandal is the IP address of Manor Independent School District, Texas (see their talk page for all the warnings and blocking), and I've also just reverted their edit to Allen Brown. Cheers - Hebrides (talk) 05:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Einstein owes you one, for action at his relativistic speed!!--EJohn59 (talk) 19:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC)EJ

Centennial, California

I don't understand what you did on the last two revisions. The explanation is written in a shorthand that is not familiar to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Centennial%2C_California&action=historysubmit&diff=323242991&oldid=322639021 . Sincerely, your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 00:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I was using AWB to try to sort out the spacing around punctuation, which was somewhat inconsistent. I tried several regex search/replace pairs, like for example:

\s*([,])([^\s0-9+”<'_"\)\{])    →    $1 $2   (makes sure there’s a space after a comma and removes spaces before a comma)

Unfortunately, when AWB applies this to the whole page it just quotes the first specific instance in the edit summary (things like Replaced: ,T → , T (6)). What's more, the presence or absence of spaces or multiple-spaces isn't obvious in the edit summary, hence the rather confusing result.

I do check the changes very carefully before committing them, because there are some exceptions (like, for example, some URLs that have commas in them). But unfortunately the usual Wikipedia diff display doesn't highlight spaces that are inserted or deleted. After looking at the diff display I can understand why you were puzzled. Best regards, Hebrides (talk) 06:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I was going to ask this question regarding Buckeye, Arizona; thanks for the detailed explanation. Nyttend (talk) 15:31, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Hebrides. You have new messages at Irbisgreif's talk page.
Message added 09:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

My pleasure. ---Irbisgreif-(talk | e-mail)-(contribs) 09:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Pedro II of Brazil early years and accession

Thank you for your help! --Lecen (talk) 12:54, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! That's what Wikipedia is all about. -- Hebrides (talk) 12:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Kenton, Portland, Oregon

Hiya. I thought I would point out that you tried to move their statue. It's a little heavy, I think, to take across state lines. Do be sure to check for context when wikilinking. Cheers! Katr67 17:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Oops! Thanks for spotting that and carrying it back for me. Concentration must have lapsed a little :( Cheers! -- Hebrides (talk) 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Jiří Hudec (disambiguation)

Hello, just to let you know that this page has been nominated for deletion using Template:db-disambig. If you have any questions about this, please contact me. Best wishes, Boleyn3 (talk) 19:22, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. However, by the time I had logged in, the page had disappeared. Speedy indeed! No chance for me to say whether it was "work in progress" or whatever. Was it actually an orphan as the tag says? -- Hebrides (talk) 20:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on "Polywell"

Thanks for your work on "Polywell"  :) KitemanSA (talk) 14:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. -- Hebrides (talk) 12:42, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

File:ChocolateAcciaccatura.jpg

Do they exist? Steinbach (talk) 11:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

LOL! -- Hebrides (talk) 12:41, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

That means not, I presume? :p Too bad, I am a musicology student and I would have loved to order some... Steinbach (talk) 15:23, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Seeming vandalism

Dear Hebrides, with your usual perspicacious quick wit, perhaps you can uncover what's going on in Aerospace. Look at the several suspicious language choices. It's suspect. EJ--EJohn59 (talk) 04:09, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Interesting… Doing a comparison of 23 October 2009 with today's version shows most changes have been reverted. All that survived is addition of a mention of MacDonald Dettwiler and of BAE Systems, and the removal of eo:Aerokosma flugadiko – which I have replaced. The reverted changes seem to be variants on commercial interests, spam links and purposeless vandalism. Did you have any hypotheses in mind? -- Hebrides (talk) 12:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm more intrigued with the language pane. Suspect that someone vandalized by taking out the French, German, Chinese and Japanese versions, and put in the less popular languages, one of which is totally bogus. Absence of those other major languages is too surprising. EJ--EJohn59 (talk) 05:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Lappenberg

Dear Hebrides, thanks for correcting my new article Lappenberg. If you have time, please correct my article Upended Sugarloaf, too. English is not my mother tongue. Thanks a lot, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 14:43, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

This is what I like about Wikipedia – we can work together, correct each other's mistakes, work in harmony – that's the way it should be. I know how you feel – I'm always very relieved when I write something on French or German wikipedia, and some kind editor goes through and corrects all my language errors! Best wishes -- Hebrides (talk) 14:51, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Upended Sugarloaf

Thanks for correcting so quickly. There are many sights in Hildesheim, but few articles in English. I intend to write and to translate some more and I'll ask you to correct them. We don't have many tourists from the English speaking world and I hope to attract some more by publishing more articles with photos. Thanks in anticipation,--Torbenbrinker (talk) 20:33, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll be happy to do that. Hildesheim looks to be a very attractive city. Let me know when you have translated any pages and I'll check them. This will be interesting. Regards, --Hebrides (talk) 22:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Historic Market Place, Hildesheim

Dear Hebrides, I have just finished a new article on the Historic Market Place, Hildesheim Please correct it if you have time. Thanks a lot, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 22:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Really good article, and a beautiful place: you make me want to visit Hildesheim! I have made a few small changes, nothing major. Your English is very good. -- Hebrides (talk) 22:52, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment. If you managed to visit my city I would be pleased to show and to explain you all the places. Now I am working on an article on the Butchers' Guild Hall. Regards, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 12:11, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Marienburg Castle (Hildesheim)

Dear Hebrides, I wrote an article on a castle in Hildesheim and on the Butchers' Guild Hall, Hildesheim. Please correct them if you have time. Regards, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 11:41, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I've done that – just a few small changes. This is another fascinating article. Thank you for all your hard work. Regards, -- Hebrides (talk) 22:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

MOS for dates of birth - death

You recently changed the Anketell (disambiguation) page to remove spaces in the years of birth and death, and you reference the WP:MOS. However, I looked at the referenced page, and I do not see any such directive. Would you please enlighten me further? Thanks in advance. Raymondwinn (talk) 12:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Raymondwinn, and thanks for getting in touch.

I was basing my formatting on MOS:DOB – that’s the section entitled Dates of birth and death. The bullet-point examples in there show three examples (bullets 2, 8 and 9) where a range contains just the two years, and in those cases it omits any spaces around the n-dash. The section after that, called Other date ranges, indicates that the MOS:DOB patterns should be followed for all date ranges, not just birth to death.

I also find that the well-established tool AWB always suggests reformatting year ranges into this standard format – for example, it suggests changing (1974 - 1996) into (1974–1996).

I have no strong opinions either way – I just like the formatting to be consistent. So when I find a formatting recommendation in the MOS I generally try to follow it as far as possible.

Thanks for your work on Wikipedia, and best wishes, -- Hebrides (talk) 12:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Steuerwald Castle, Hildesheim

Dear Hebrides, I have just finished a new article on another castle in Hildesheim. Some sentences are similar to the text of Marienburg Castle, as the architecture and history are very similar. Regards, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 20:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Another excellent article. I just made a few small changes. Your articles read well, they are logically structured, and the good range of photographs really makes the descriptions come alive. Thank you. -- Hebrides (talk) 20:56, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Wireless broadband

Thanks for the fixes to my new article. You might want to look at this article too.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. That's it for me today.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Glad to help :) --Hebrides (talk) 20:38, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you just do those nbsp fixes, or do you look at content as well? I have added to one of those articles you fixed.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Sometimes I do some serious content editing; sometimes I create a few new pages; other times I'm tired after a day at work, and just do a bit of gentle search-and-replace editing. It also depends whether the subject is something I'm into. I did a quick search/replace scan through some pages you've been working on, but there was not much to change. As for content, your articles aren't really my area of expertise, so I'll leave that to subject-matter experts :) — Hebrides (talk) 20:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I'm no expert beyond reading the articles, and I'm not really good enough with the information to do much. I split some content and I'm not really sure what to leave in each place, but one article was getting too wordy.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 13:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Élisabeth Thérèse de Lorraine

Hey, saw you sorted out some of my mistakes on Élisabeth Thérèse's article! Thank you very much lol i dont always see everything! Would you do it again as I just added some more info! Merci, Monsieur le Duc LouisPhilippeCharles (talk) 17:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you. I looked again, but only found one thing to amend. --Hebrides (talk) 20:40, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

susana walton

thanks so much! It was impossible to change it for me. regards--DEDB (talk) 16:34, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

lady walton

I met her briefly once and she was an amazing character, full of life, you are right: she deserve to be in wikipedia. thanks for your kindness--DEDB (talk) 16:56, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

walton

great!--DEDB (talk) 18:21, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Since you seem to be a stalker ... ;)

I noticed a lot of articles I edit lately have your contribution to making certain information fit some format which I don't really understand. Since I don't know anything about that stuff, it would be nice if you continued watching my contributions anyway and fixing those details.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:15, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

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Lady Walton

I must admit that Wikipedia does not have a set of guidance on the naming conventions for articles of wives of British knights and baronets, but as she was commonly referred to as “Lady Walton” (see the obituaries in the Telegraph[6] and the Times[7]), I don’t see why the name of the article should refer her as the less known “Susana Walton”. Since there is not a clear guidance to follow, I believe it is appropriate, as it is the case of Augusta, Lady Gregory (whose husband’s article is named as William Henry Gregory), Jane, Lady Roberts (whose husband's article name is Hugh Roberts) and Victoria, Lady Welby and etc.--Clithering (talk) 13:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

4G

If you look at the last couple of edits to that article, someone removed those nbsp additions that you've been putting in a bunch of articles I've edited. Also, I've been corrected about the proper capitalization/CamelCase/iPod with mHz.

Do these need fixing? Thanks.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I left him a message and he responded below, so I have nbsped them again. — Hebrides (talk) 06:13, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Non-breaking spaces

4G — No, my bad. Please revert those back as needed. Jimthing (talk) 21:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

William Traylor (actor)

Hey thanks for cleaning up my errors. I've done wiki pages for towns, schools, etc but Traylor is my first attempt at an actor, so I'm bound to make a few formatting screw-ups til I get the hang of it. Its still a work in progress, but I appreciate the help. Sector001 (talk) 21:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. Thanks for your appreciation. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 05:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Ypthima

You created Ypthima, of coarse there isn't a problem with that. But just out of curiosity: Did you create it because you saw my page? Co-incidentally I created the "to do" section on my user-page just yesterday. And at then it was a red link, (but obviously now it isn't). So did you make it because you saw it on my page? And even if you did or didn't know, I've got a link to all the Ypthima species (309 i think it is) in-case you wanted to know. but I assume most of them don't have articles.

Anyway, thanks for creating the page for me. --JamesDouch (talk) 06:58, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you. It was just a strange coincidence! I didn't see your page. I just took the word Ypthima and searched for WP pages with it in the title.

I wondered if you might like to look at List_of_butterflies_of_India_(Satyrinae)#Ypthima_-_The_Rings and possibly update that with any others of the 309 that are appropriate. — Hebrides (talk) 10:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Well I'm not sure if I could get the right species in the Indian list, I don't think the page says where they live and I don't know if they live in India or not. So I think it would be pretty difficult.

I realized Ypthima, is only a disambig. page. What needs to be done is create a the actual article for the genus, where is lists all the species. I can do that because for the genus page I don't need to know where they live. Even that will take a while, 309 species is pretty large for just 1 genus. So what I plan to do is create the article under the title of "Ypthima (genus)" and then list that in the disambig. page you created. From there every link to "Ypthima" (assuming it's about the butterfly) will have to be changed to "Ypthima (genus)". Now I just need to do it. --JamesDouch (talk) 06:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

your edits at Pirmin Meier; question

Hello Hebrides

Thanks for cleaning up the redundancies in the Wiki links at Pirmin Meier. Among other things, I wasn't sure whether the umlauts would be recognized properly, so I was kind of trying to make sure the links would be working. Turns out I overcomplicated things. So, again, thanks.

(And while I'm not really sure why or if en dash characters are a better solution for displaying "from... to..." numbers – pages, years etc. –, I can certainly live with these changes.)

When will the New unreviewed article template be removed? I really looks ugly and is detracting. Would you be authorized to remove it?

Regards – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 17:19, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Done, somebody else removed it, so this paragraph is not needed any longer. Should I delete it, or does it stay for archival purposes? Regards – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 06:54, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello, nice to hear from you. As for dash styles, I was sticking to MOS:DOB as I don't have any particular feelings about n-dashes but it's more a matter of being consistent throughout WP. I have taken the liberty of editing your paragraph slightly so that it doesn't display the template, but I'll leave your text. Thanks for your work on this article. Regards -- Hebrides (talk) 14:12, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

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About page Arthur Sarkissian

Dear Hebrides. I think you remember the page Arthur Sarkissian (artist) that you helped me to create and we decided to add that page without (artist) I checked that page and it's not blocked. can we also add a new page Arthur Sarkissian. sincerely Vahan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henmor (talk • contribs) 15:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Dear Vahan, Nice to hear from you again. I just tried to move the page to become "Arthur Sarkissian" but I got the error message: "You cannot move a page to this location, because the new title has been protected from creation". So there is protection in place to stop a page called Arthur Sarkissian being created. — Hebrides (talk) 18:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much! and is there any possibility to unblock that page Arthur Sarkissian can I contact with blocker and ask him to unblock taht we can add... Sincerely Vahan! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henmor (talk • contribs) 07:07, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I have left a short message for one of the administrators who was originally involved, asking her to enable me to move the Arthur Sarkissian (artist) page to become Arthur Sarkissian. It seems a perfectly sensible thing to do. Leave it with me. I'll let you know when she replies. — Hebrides (talk) 07:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

The good news is that the page is now moved to Arthur Sarkissian. I have been through and edited all the links from other Wikipedia pages too. The bad news is that you seem to have been blocked for using more than one username. I have written to her about it. You can read the conversation at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moonriddengirl#Arthur_Sarkissian – she agrees with me. Let's give her a little time to see what she can do. — Hebrides (talk) 14:17, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

This bot broke a wikilink on 126th

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I just got a similar bot message, for Florence Ita Giwa, referring to a web source I can't even access! But the one on Krisztián seems entirely reasonable to me. The webpage contains "Krisztián ... Krisztián ... Krisztián", and your article contains "Krisztián ... Krisztián ... Krisztián ... Krisztián ... Krisztián ... Krisztián". Clearly a multiple violation. :~) Aymatth2 (talk) 20:39, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

LOL! I just left Coren another message – that bot actually obliges the accused to visit a particular webpage it has found. I was actually quite dubious about the one it sent me to.

BTW I just read your userpage and totally agree with your “style guidelines”. It's also nice to meet someone else who enjoys contributing to articles on subjects they know nothing about. There's a great satisfaction in gathering, assessing and correlating information and then constructing a coherent little article, citing all the sources. — Hebrides (talk) 06:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

thank you

for your clean-up at Russ Savakus. I was surprised to discover that there was not even a stub on him, though a wikipedia search finds him all over the place. I need to follow up on that. Then the "No Source" folks showed up (it is interesting {opinion{) that wikipedia will not accept its self as a source) and I scrounged around and found something, and then you showed up and now it's legit. Life is good. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:32, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I just put in 9 more links to the Russ Savakus page from other articles on WP. Can you find a copyright-free image to go on the page? I haven't found one yet. I also looked on other language wikipedias, but he doesn't seem to have a page anywhere else we can link to. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 17:53, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi. :) I've responded to your message at my talk page (User talk:Moonriddengirl#CorenSearchBot), but wanted to drop by to thank you for pitching in at Awaaz, here. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:22, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

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		For your friendly and patient assistance with a user in need of assistance. Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm so glad to see you helping him out. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

That's really nice of you – thanks. — Hebrides (talk) 21:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Awaaz 1984

thanks for saying that you are happy with my contribution. but iam surprised that you have made some changes which are of no importance. why have u asked for clarification near mulochand?? my article i have alredy showed to administrator she was happy. Rajesh khanna is a superstar so please do not edit the word before his name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 17:47, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

My concern

i have always been showing my artciles to Moonriddengirl -- she is an administartor. i wonder why and who is this Shshshsh who keeps changing the articles contributed by me —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 17:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Awaaz 1984

His close friend Amit is an honest police inspector who brings many of the goons part of gang of smuggling head Mulchand Malhotra but they are let off by the court as using his skills and knowledge about the loopholes in law ,Jayant helps his client Mulchand in setting his workmen free from jail. Later Amit gets killed and this motivates Amit's brother Vijay to join the police force. Meanwhile Priya falls in love with Vijay and both decide to marry. But one day while going on a picnic Anu and Priya get into trouble as their car tyre gets punctured on a road near a jungle. There a drunkard who happens to be Mulchand's son rapes Anu and injures Priya. Unable to handle humiliation Anu commits suicide. Jayant now gets a clue that the death of his friend Amit was not accidental and that the rapist is a person known to Mulchand and his gang members. Jayant tries taking help of Mulchand and Meerchandani in finding the real culprits but realises that they are not responsive.

Jayant belives that as he has helped them in carrying on their activities by fighting their cases in court inspite of knwing what kind of henious crimes these Mulchand's gang members are doing . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 18:34, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Donot delete words,plots,cast - but improvise and ask doubts to me

Respond as to why are you making wrong changes to artciles.

i dont mind u asking me doubt s, but why dont u ask me doubts in my page. I would be happy if u improvise the article. But deleting word Superstar is just plain baised view.

Most of the films of Mr. Khanna are before 2000 and after 2000 only india became computer literate. so online resources about films and thier real fan following is very less. unless we write the right facts then how will the next generation come to know the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 18:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

request

thanks for correcting the spellings but please mention the words Superstar before the name Rajesh Khanna in the first scentence. i think you are cooperative. but a user named ssshhh has been deleting words suuperstar , and has been showing a baised attitude towars Khanna. Hence forth lets discuss with eachother , but without consulting me please dont make drastic edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 18:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Story of Awaaz 1984 which you can modify and paste but do justice to it

Advocate Jayant (Rajesh Khanna) a criminal lawyer believes that a lawyer's duty is to do service to his client alone and to bail him out of his trouble even if his client is in reality a criminal. His close friend Amit is an honest police inspector who brings many of the goons part of gang of smuggling head Mulchand Malhotra but they are let off by the court as using his skills and knowledge about the loopholes in law Jayant helps Mulchand in setting his workmen free from jail.Amit Gupta asks Jayant to be more responsible when he defends criminals, who are repeat offenders. Later Amit gets killed and this motivates Amit's brother Vijay to join the police force. Meanwhile Priya falls in love with Vijay and both decide to marry. But one day while going on a picnic Anu and Priya get into trouble as their car tyre gets punctured on a road near a jungle. There a drunkard who happens to be Mulchand's son rapes Anu and injures Priya. Unable to handle humiliation Anu commits suicide. Jayant also gets a clue that the death of his friend Amit was not accidental but was a delibrate attempt by some goons and that the rapist is a person known to Mulchand and his gang members. Jayant tries taking help of his clients Mulchand, Meerchandani in finding the real culprits but realises that they are not responsive. Jayant has vowed to find the assailants, but before he could attempt anything his daughter, Nandita, is kidnapped. The kidnappers want Jayant to represent Mulchand's son, and get him acquitted and he gets his client out on bail.What Jayant does not know that his client is the one who had raped his wife and sister, and when Jayant does find out - what can he possibly do - with his daughter still under the control of her kidnappers.The rest of the story is how he single handedly brings all of them to justice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 18:54, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it probably best if you tell the story in the article. I'm sure the plot is easier to understand for someone who has seen the film. — Hebrides (talk) 21:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Our colloboration

ya it seems shshshsh this user has a baised view about Rajesh Khanna so he deletes the word Supertar. then i dont know the same artciles are edited by you.

be in touch , do gimme suggestions, but as far as awaaz is concerned do edit the story as u said u got confused. also consult me if you have any doubts in future about any artcile contributed by me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 19:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

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Balinese Hinduism

Hello Hebrides. I saw your contributions to the Hinduism in Indonesia page. I am currently working on a research paper for Graduate school that will be looking into Balinese Hinduism. Do you know of any good resrouces (books, online, whatever)? The only problem is that I can only read English! I would appreciate any help I can get. Thanks! Jameslunderwood (talk) 16:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)jameslunderwood

Hello James, and thanks for your message. Actually the only thing I did on the Hinduism in Indonesia page was spelling, punctuation and expanding references, which I do on a very wide variety of pages. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't know anything about Balinese Hinduism.

I just did a quick search, however, and came across a fair bit of background reading (some of it rather ancient) by doing a Google books search, choosing only entries that give full view – you might find some stuff of interest there. You'll have to pick and choose (but you will also accumulate an impressive list of cited references!)

You might also like to try a Google scholar search. (Forgive me if this is all familiar to you and you've tried it already).

And have you tried Copernic (the basic version is a free download from http://www.copernic.com/en/products/agent/index.html)? It submits a search term to lots of search engines, then correlates the results. I've used it for years and it finds things that Google doesn't find.

Hope that is some help. — Hebrides (talk) 20:23, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much Hebrides! I really appreciate the help. Thank you Jameslunderwood (talk) 00:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)jameslunderwood

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Audie Pitre

Hello. In June you added a citation to a book from the "Webster's Quotations" series published by Icon Group International to this article. Unfortunately, Icon Group International is not a reliable source - their books are computer-generated, with most of the text copied from Wikipedia (most entries have [WP] by them to indicate this). I'm removing a lot of similar references; many other editors have also been deceived by these sources. Another publisher that reuses Wikipedia articles is Alphascript Publishing. Fences&Windows 22:54, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

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Tetrahedron and WP:MOSMATH

I undid your recent change to Tetrahedron. The special characters for superscripts and fractions should not be used in math articles; see WP:MOSMATH. The main reason for this is that they have an inconsistent appearance to the formatting for other superscripts and fractions that do not have special characters. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:07, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting me. That was something I wasn't aware of, but I'll watch out for it in future and make sure I don't do it again. — Hebrides (talk) 11:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Insertion of nbsp into article

Greetings Hebrides. I noticed that you edited an article I created, Hypselodoris gasconi (and several others), and inserted a non-breaking space, &nbsp, instead of the normal space that I inserted. Was that because browsers wont break (or wrap) a line of text at the point that a &nbsp is inserted? I am asking so that I can learn what the reason was to guide my future edits. You have a lot more edits than I so you probably have a much better idea of standard procedure. Cheers, Antarctic-adventurer (talk) 11:38, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you. It is suggested in WP:NBSP that the non-breaking space should be used to prevent things like 4 mm or 25 kg or 2 am from being split over two lines. I replace them using the AutoWikiBrowser tool. I know it makes the text less readable when you're editing it, but it does help readability when people read the articles in whatever size of browser window they choose to use. Cheers, Hebrides (talk) 16:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

OK thanks for your explanation. I will adopt this procedure too. Best Antarctic-adventurer (talk) 08:16, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

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São Filipe, Cape Verde

Dear Hebrides, some months ago you corrected several articles on my home town Hildesheim which I had written in English. I spent wonderful holidays in Cabo Verde, a former Portuguese colony in Africa, where my Portuguese improved a lot. My English, however, did not. I added some information and photos to the English article on the historic city of São Filipe, Cape Verde, the place which I liked most. Please, correct the text if you have time. Thanks a lot, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 20:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Don S. Wenger

I think there's been a mistake with this edit. Changing "practiced" to "practised" is neither a minor edit nor a cleanup. I see on your user page that you prefer British English, which is the norm for British articles, but the American spelling "practiced" should be preferred here. I don't know if you are using AWB for other such changes, but please be careful to respect WP:ENGVAR and not change American articles to British spellings without consensus. -Phoenixrod (talk) 21:39, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised. I had no idea that Americans had different rules for practice/practise. Do you also have different rules for advice/advise and device/devise? What is the American spelling rule? Here in UK, the noun forms are advice/device/practice and the verbs are advise/devise/practise. Thanks for contacting me. I look forward to your reply. — Hebrides (talk) 05:28, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

There's certainly a consistent logic to the parallel cases you cite in the UK spelling. Advice/device/practice are the same noun forms here, too, and advise/devise are the verbs. But there is no "practise" in American spelling; it's always "practice" for all parts of speech. I'm sure it looks quite strange to you. I have no idea why it doesn't follow the pattern of advise/devise in the US, but that's language for you. -Phoenixrod (talk) 03:19, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Here's a throwaway thought: Maybe it has something to do with the pronunciations, since practice/practise ends with an "iss" sound rather than "eyes", so despite the spelling similarity to advise/devise, it's not a true parallel. -Phoenixrod (talk) 03:23, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Phonetic spelling? In English? Now there’s a novel idea… ;) Seriously though, thanks for spotting and reverting this one, and for explaining. — Hebrides (talk) 05:33, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you

Thank you for corrected the spelling on the article I created to "contains".

cheers,Bruinfan12 (talk) 07:42, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure :) — Hebrides (talk) 08:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

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Xiosis

I'm not sure you used the right tag there. The one you used {{spam}} puts a message up which looks more appropriate to a talk page. I've tagged it db-inc now. Peridon (talk) 14:17, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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Rajesh Khanna correspondence

I have moved the correspondence about the Rajesh Khanna article to User:Hebrides/RK for convenience. Please use that page for any discussions about Rajesh Khanna. Thanks. — Hebrides (talk) 20:09, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Edits to Rajesh Khanna article by Active Banana

Many well-meaning, educated, intelligent and mature people contribute their time and effort into the Wikipedia project, supporting its "neutral point of view" policy, and assuming each other's good faith. Edit warring is childish, counterproductive and supremely frustrating and has no place in Wikipedia. Let's build this encyclopaedia together, working towards a shared goal. ---this same thing u should have sent to activebanana

as i had provided 76 references after checking whether all are relaibe... in this version http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajesh_Khanna&oldid=387376122.

if u observe this version of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajesh_Khanna&oldid=387502966 -- edited now by activebanana --it clearly says that he now has gone through my references "Honestly" and has found that what i was writing was facts.infact references are the same.iam happy with the artcile now. infact i always insisted him that contribute to the article fruitfully.

i have spend daily 2 hours serching for 76 references and he was plainly deleting evrything.see his edits earlier to the date 27th september. all were just plain copy pasted.

now he has accepted my references tats all. hope now he doesnt create any furthur problem and defame me. Shrik88music (talk) 14:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Responding here to the message Shrik88music left on my talk page, because I'm not sure he would see it there: Thanks for the message. On a cursory glance, this edit looks better than the one that was posted to the reliable sources noticeboard, though some of the wording could use some work. I don't know anything about your questions 1-5 as I am not following the editing on the article; I'm sorry I can't be of assistance with that. One final point, please try not to discuss other contributors in a demeaning way; saying Active Banana is collaborating with you "out of fear" is insulting and unfair. — e. ripley\^talk 15:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

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Peter McLean (cabinet maker)

Thank you for you assistance with this article.

I did not find a message from you on my Talk page. Shipsview (talk) 10:32, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. An interesting little article. I've just added some categories too. Thanks for your contribution to Wikipedia — Hebrides (talk) 18:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for fixing grammatical mistakes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laslo_Sekelj&action=history

--Santiago84 11:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Happy to help. I've also put a few internal links into the article, and added a reference to the book you mentioned. Thanks for your contribution to Wikipedia. — Hebrides (talk) 19:15, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Tell me do

I've never been able to work out that trick to make a multi-used ref appear once in the Ref list with a, b, c etc. You just fixed it here. How do you do that ? -Sticks66 13:08, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

It’s explained in WP:REFNAME. Give the first instance of the reference a name in the ref tag (as in <ref name=foo>Reference text goes here</ref>) then for all subsequent instances, just put the shortened form (in my example, you’d just put <ref name=foo />) as the whole thing. Hope that helps :) — Hebrides (talk) 13:21, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

M.G.R

NEED UR HELP in inserting a column where the name of actresses can be put. i have given u thier names against the respective film. here its needed to be incorporated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._G._Ramachandran

1961 Arasilangumari Anjalidevi 1961 Nallavan Vazhvan Rajasulochana 1961 Sabaash Mapillai Padmini 1961 Thaai Sollai Thattadhe B. Sarojadevi 1961 Thirudadhe B.Sarojadevi Watch 1961 Paasam B. Sarojadevi Watch 1962 Kudumba Thalaivan B. Sarojadevi 1962 Maadappura Rathna 1962 Raani Samyuktha Padmini 1962 Thaayai Kaatha Thanayan B.Sarojadevi 1962 Vikramaadhithan Anjalidevi & Padmini 1963 Anandha Jodhi Devika, Kamal Haasan as child artiste Watch 1963 Dharmam Thalai Kaakkum B. Sarojadevi 1963 Kalai Arasi Banumathi 1963 Kaanji Thalaivan Padmini 1963 Koduthu Vaithaval V. Saroja 1963 Needhikkuppin Paasam B. Sarojadevi Watch 1963 Panathottam . Sarojadevi 1963 Parisu B. Sarojadevi 1963 Periya Idathu Pen B. Sarojadevi Watch 1964 Dheiva Thaai B. Sarojadevi 1964 En Kadamai B. Sarojadevi Watch 1964 Padagotti B. Sarojadevi 1964 Thaayin Madiyil Jamuna 1964 Thozhilali K.R.Vijaya 1964 Vettaikkaaran Savithri Ganesan Watch 1965 Panakkara Kudumbam B. Sarojadevi Watch 1965 Aasai Mugam B. Sarojadevi 1965 Aayirathil Oruvan J.Jayalalitha Watch 1965 Enga Veettu Pillai B. Sarojadevi Watch 1965 Kalangarai Vilakkam B. Sarojadevi 1965 Kanni Thaai J. Jayalalitha 1965 Panam Padaithavan KR. Vijaya & Sowgar Janaki Watch 1965 Thazhampoo KR. Vijaya 1966 Anbe Vaa B. Sarojadevi Watch 1966 Naan Aanaiyittal B. Sarojadevi 1966 Mugaraasi J.Jayalalitha 1966 Nadodi B. Sarojadevi Watch 1966 Chandhrodhayam J.Jayalalitha 1966 Parakkum Paavai B. Sarojadevi 1966 Petraalthaan Pillaiya B. Sarojadevi 1966 Thaali Baagiyam Jamuna 1966 Thanippiravi J.Jayalalitha 1967 Arasakattalai B.Sarojadevi & J. Jayalalitha Watch 1967 Kaavalkaaran J.Jayalalitha Watch 1967 Thaaiku Thalaimagan B.Sarojadevi 1967 Vivasayee KR.Vijaya 1968 Ragasiya Police 115 J.Jayalalitha 1968 Thaer Thiruvizha J.Jayalalitha 1968 Kudiyirundha Koyil J. Jayalalitha Watch 1968 Kannan En Kadhalan J.Jayalalitha & Vanisri 1968 Pudhiya Boomi J.Jayalalitha 1968 Kanavan J. Jayalalitha 1968 Oli Vilakku Announced as MGR's 100th film - J.Jayalalitha & Sowgar Janaki 1968 Kadhal Vaaganam J.Jayalalitha 1969 Adimai Pen A unusual plot set in a fictional medieval European kingdom - J.Jayalalitha (dual role) Watch 1969 Nam Nadu J.Jayalalitha 1970 Maattukaara Velan J.Jayalalitha & Lakshmi 1970 En Annan J.Jayalalitha & Muthuraman 1970 Thalaivan J.Jayalalitha 1970 Thedi Vandha Mappillai J. Jayalalitha 1970 Engal Thangam J.Jayalalitha 1971 Kumarikkottam J.Jayalalitha 1971 Rickshawkaran MGR got Best Actor National Award - Manjula & Padmini Watch 1971 Neerum Neruppum J.Jayalalitha 1971 Oru Thaai Makkal first film with damaged voice due to inset bullet wound - J.Jayalalitha 1972 Sange Muzhangu Lakshmi Watch 1972 Nalla Neram KR.Vijaya Watch 1972 Raaman Thediya Seedhai J.Jayalalitha 1972 Annamitta Kai J.Jayalalitha 1972 Naan Yen Pirandhen KR.Vijaya & Kanchana 1972 Idhaya Veenai Lakshmi 1973 Ulagam Sutrum Valiban MGR's second venture as Director,Ran for 217 days, Shot mostly in Foreign location - Chandrakala, Manjula, Latha 1973 Pattikaattu Ponnaiya J.Jayalalitha 1974 Netru Indru Naalai Manjula, Latha & Rajasri Watch 1974 Urimai Kural Latha 1974 Sirithu Vazha Vendum Latha Watch 1974 Meenava Nanban Latha 1975 Ninaithadhai Mudippavan Manjula & Latha 1975 Naalai Namadhe Latha Watch 1975 Idhayakkani Radha saluja Watch 1975 Pallandu Vazhga Latha 1976 Needhikku Thalaivanangu Latha & Radha saluja 1976 Uzhaikkum Karangal Latha 1976 Oorukku Uzhaippavan Vanishree 1977 Navarathnam Latha

Shrik88music (talk) 16:06, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

When I read "inserting a column" I expected there would already be a table there, and you wanted one extra column. I have examined the page to which you refer: M. G. Ramachandran and there is no table of films. Your request is unclear. – Hebrides (talk) 21:50, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._G._Ramachandran_filmography see the link again....insert the actress coloumn ..names of the actress ii have given u from 1963-1978 u may incorporate them tooShrik88music (talk) 19:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I resent your behaviour. You changed the link in your original message after I had replied to it – this makes my reply seem ridiculous, and makes it appear that I didn't read your question properly. If you had simply replied "my mistake, I meant to type http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._G._Ramachandran_filmography" I would have respected you for it. But to try to cover up your mistake, implying that I made the error, is despicable. I'm sorry but I cannot work with behaviour like this. When you find someone else who will add the extra column for you, please don't deal with them as you have with me. — Hebrides (talk) 23:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

you r taking it too seriously.... the reason i had earlier copy pasted the mgr main page was to indicate who was the person....i thought that u will urself understand that iam referring to the filmography page of this person whose link i have given...but when u messaged me saying u didnt get where i was asking u to insert actresses column ...i thought of again giving u the link ..but this time directly the mgr filmography.... in spite of having discussed lot of matters with u yoy still feel quite uncomfortable in solving my issues...i doing everything enthusiastically....so dont take it to heart...y would i delibrately copy paste with the intention to show that u had overlooked etc...y wud i do that...main purpose is improving that artcile and not to show u down or sumthning ..!hope now u understood wht exactly took place Shrik88music (talk) 19:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Disambiguation Barnstar

		The Disambiguation Barnstar
		Super work with your dabbing efforts. They are more important for the encyclopedia than many often give credit for. And you work so smoothly and efficiently and consistentally. Keep up the great work!♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks – really nice of you. I didn't even know this dabstar existed! –Hebrides (talk) 20:26, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Burma

Hi. What's the chances of you being able to help with dabbing for Burmese settlements. Check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Burma (Myanmar)/Township templates and User:Dr. Blofeld/Burma#Repeated places names.. I've got a lot of dabbing to do!.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm trying to get a handle on this. So – I look on your Repeated place names and see, for example, that Ywathit has a count of 55, so I create a geodis page with 55 links, one to each of the 55 Ywathit pages…

But as far as I can see, there is only one Ywathit page for me to link to. Where are the other 54? Do I create pages for each of the other places called Ywathit? If so, where is the source data from which to create these 54 pages? Sorry, but I'm missing something. — Hebrides (talk) 20:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

you'll see it linked 55 within the various Wikipedia:WikiProject Burma (Myanmar)/Township templates. The village lists were extracted from Maplandia which uses geonames database to compile them. If that is difficult, perhaps do a template at a time like Template:Indaw Township and ensure they are red linked? No you will not have to create 54 pages just one dab page for Ywathit with all of the settlements linked in. Village xxxx, Township e.g Ywathit, Homalin (without the township on the end) and if there are multiple in one township they go by coordinates which are alreayd linked I believe. No worries if not, it would be a great help though for sure.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:05, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

OK. So it’s about creating dab pages full of redlinks. Where will the actual village pages come from? Is there a script to generate them from geonames? I'd rather create the village pages first, then create dab pages full of blue links… — Hebrides (talk) 07:12, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I downloaded the entire database from geonames – looks a relatively straightforward task to write a few lines of code to generate village pages from that. Is somebody else doing that, or would you like me to have a go when I get time? Life is pretty busy till after Dec 1, but I could look into making a start on it after that… I just don't want to spend time on it if somebody else already has the task in hand. — Hebrides (talk) 21:57, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Great job on that, Oh please do help. Plastikspork is away on business and said the dabbing would be delayed. It would be awesome for you to do this and would mean I can freely go from township to township and start anything, especially those settlements with some scraps in google books.As long as you can also dab the given templates at the same time when generating the dab pages to fix the links and that they match up. First of all can you help me create the remaining templates. They are linked by region in WP:Burma CLick edit and then copy the templates and the noinclude category and insert them into the red link templates.E.g click here ♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:09, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Can you create a dab page at Aage? It could also be compiled from Norwegian wiki which has missing "Aages".♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:14, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I've put one at Aage – a bit of a rushed job (got deadlines in real life at present) but it’s a start. Rgds — Hebrides (talk) 15:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Excellent, definately needed eh? I'll resume with making the Burma templates later. Are you still up for it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:05, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

FLRC

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Gabriel and Gavriil

There was no encyclopedic content in these pages. And there is no potential for article: all what is related to the origins of these names is better to keep in the "parent" page. Listing people by first name is silly. See John (name), Peter (name). At the same time, it is reasonable to list people known only by their name, see e.g. Michael, i.e., when disambiguation is required. Lom Konkreta (talk) 17:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

P.S. As I see you've got a disambiguation barnstar. Congrats. ... So you guess I didn't have to educate you in guidelines about disambiguation (and WP:NOT about arbitrarily listing various superficially related stuff, such as List of people named after saints :-). Lom Konkreta (talk) 17:07, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. The {{given name}} template (see Template:Given name/doc) exists specifically for pages such as those you deleted, and puts such pages into the Category:Given names, which contains over 4500 similar pages. It is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy. These are not disambiguation pages and do not claim to be (unlike the hndis pages, which are disambiguation pages). Whatever your opinions of them (and even if you think they are “silly”) they are an established and respected part of Wikipedia. In view of this, I’m restoring the pages and linking them to the Gabriel page in the normally accepted fashion. Please feel free to discuss further if you disagree with my action after familiarising yourself with the Given names category and its application. Best regards, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia — Hebrides (talk) 21:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Please allow me to disregard your exceedingly polite speech, which I see in stark contrast with your quite impolite actions of reverting my edits without finishing the discussion. I see no harm in such pages, only non-encyclopedic nuisance, therefore I will not continue this discussion with a person who appear to respect only their own opinion. Good luck in further b-star accumulation. Lom Konkreta (talk) 02:24, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, Lom – I didn't mean to act impolitely. Let's rewind a bit … here's how it went: I created two pages; you removed their content; I reinstated it, explaining my rationale for doing so – I really didn't intend to be impolite. I know your edits were in good faith, and I do appreciate the time and effort you're putting into Wikipedia. Sincere apologies for making you cross – I do my best to get on with other editors, but sometimes I don't quite get it right :( – Hebrides (talk) 21:41, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

OK.Let's rewind this. My suggestion is to rethink whether it is necessary to list people by first name. I see two extreme situations. Consider the name "John". Do you really think it is useful to have a page which lists several thousand Johns? In many languages? On the other hand, I may readily believe that it would be interesting to have a list of known people with some rate first name, such as, e.g.,... er,... Alexandrina . [WOW! landed on red! ... filled; left Alexandrina (name) for you] What's your take? Lom Konkreta (talk) 01:07, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Sights of Hildesheim

Dear Hebrides, I wrote two short articles on sights of my home town: St. Nicolai's Chapel, Hildesheim and St. Bernward's Church, Hildesheim. If you have time, please correct them. Thanks a lot.--Torbenbrinker (talk) 21:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you again. I've done as you requested; once again there was hardly anything to correct, but I made a few small adjustments. They are delightful and interesting articles, well written; and your English is better than many native British writers! It's a pleasure to work with you. — Hebrides (talk) 09:49, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment. It's an incentive to write some more articles. Best wishes for the New Year 2011. --Torbenbrinker (talk) 10:57, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Hildesheim

Dear Hebrides, I wrote an article on Moritzberg (Hildesheim). It's the part of Hildesheim where I live. Please correct it if you have time. The article became longer than I had expected. Can you make the photos on the right side of the article smaller? I would like to add one or two but I think there is no space left. I wrote a shorter article on Hospital of the Five Wounds, Hildesheim as well. Thanks a lot, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 19:43, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

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Burma

HI. Are you still up for the Burma dabbing as I intend starting the villages in due course?♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:30, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll willingly dab them after the pages have been created. If you let me know when all the pages that share a particular name have been created, I will create the dab page with links to all the pages and brief descriptions. BTW, good to see that you’re back :) — 21:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

This is exactly what I mean. Pages like Namkut needing moving and a dab page setting up in its place, Namkut, Mu-Se Township and Namkut, Ke-Hsi Township etc and for the templates to be properly piped to the correct links. You see?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Where do you find the township data? I have downloaded the geonames dataset for Myanmar, but it only gives the state (Sagain, Shan, etc), not township. Is there another source gazetteer? — Hebrides (talk) 11:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Maplandia. Search for a place name and it will come up with all the places which might be helpful. All of the places should have entries in the geonames database which can be used as a source. Maplandia was drawn up using geonames I think. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

See User:Dr. Blofeld/Burma for the duplicates.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Too much of a task eh? Shall I just start creating them?♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:09, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I've been scoping the task, and also looking back through your discussions with other users. What I would like to do is to write code to recreate your navboxes with all the necessary piping inserted into the links. For example, name conflicts within a state would be piped to <town>, <township>, name conflicts in different states to <town>, <state>, and names which are unique in Burma but occur elsewhere in WP would become <name>, Burma. It would make it much easier to write the code if I had the raw table of data which was spidered from Maplandia – otherwise I would have to write extra code to reconstruct that table first. Can you get me that table please (one row per town, with as many columns of data as possible for each town)? It would probably be possible to slip in a few extra lines of code to create all the disambiguation pages too. What do you think? — Hebrides (talk) 22:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Dunno what table of data you mean. Plastikspork was the one who downloaded them, perhaps ask him?♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I was referring to the narrative at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Plastikspork/Archive_6#Infobox_C.C3.B3rdoba about the downloading process. Some way through that long section, he says, “I have all the information for all the levels in a large 41,000 line file, so this post processing doesn't take very long. All I have to do is create another file with level 4 removed, and push level 5 down to level 4, and the same script would work. That is, if this is what you want.” The 41000-line file is an obvious starting point for producing a proper disambiguated set of navboxes with a standardised naming convention – before we start creating all the articles.

You’re much more experienced with this sort of thing. Isn’t it worth spending the time to get all the 41000 names fixed and correct at the start (before creating the articles)? And I'd rather spend a little time getting the strategy right and writing a few lines of code to automate the whole thing, instead of trying to do them one by one – better to whizz than plod :) — Hebrides (talk) 06:59, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I'd rather get them fixed initially. List of songs by Elvis Presley also needs dabbing!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:41, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

thanks for fixing my accessdates

cheers. I just noticed I'd been doing them in the wrong format, so thanks for fixing them Kathodonnell (talk) 03:37, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Pleased to help :) — Hebrides (talk) 06:33, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

USCGC Point Cypress (WPB-82326)

Thank you for putting the polish on the article I wrote. It's always the little things that I overlook that detract, plus I could do a little better in the spelling department at times. I don't know how many times I proofread the article and still missed a few things; you were that fresh set of eyes...Thanks again. Cheers. Cuprum17 (talk) 21:58, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

You’re very welcome – pleased to help :) — Hebrides (talk) 22:05, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

AWB

Hi, I see you're currently (or at least very recently) using AWB to change article to list references. To be honest most editors don't use list references and they're much harder for newbies to understand, so I'm unsure why you're using AWB to make this change. Could you please explain why you are doing this, or point to somewhere that says it is ok to do this with AWB? Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 12:42, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I was just trying to make articles easier to edit and maintain. Inline references, particularly long ones, make it very difficult to work with the text of the article, especially for newbies, because a paragraph may get bloated out by references into many disconnected parts. List-defined references make it much cleaner. However, I was unaware that I was transgressing a sentence in the rulebook I didn't know existed – see Binksternet’s comment below. I’ll stop. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 13:20, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for replying. As you may have guessed, I'm not a huge fan of list-defined references, as I personally feel they make it even harder for newbies to understand how to insert references. Anyway, I note that you stopped as soon as concerns were raised and I thank you for that and understand you were acting in good faith. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 15:26, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Trivial reference style changes

I reverted your reference style changes to Babcock Ranch for purely procedural reasons: such a change is against WP:CITEVAR. I see in your edit history that you have been performing quite a bit of these shifts from inline citations to cite-at-the-bottom style. I can see the benefit of this style for greater clarity in the editing window, but the guideline says, "If the article you are editing is already using a particular citation style, you should follow that style." It also says, "Do not change the citation style used in an article merely for personal preference or cosmetic reasons." Note that your trivial change did not help the non-editor reader one iota—it did not change the appearance of the article.

If you wish to continue with this path you ought to have the guideline at CITEVAR changed. Binksternet (talk) 12:52, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Oops. I read the description at Template:Reflist#List-defined_references and thought these were a brilliant idea for uncluttering reference-laden text, making it much easier to edit and maintain. I should obviously have searched the rulebook before starting to use them. Thanks for pointing this out. — Hebrides (talk) 13:09, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. Binksternet (talk) 16:32, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

That's OK. Thanks to you for pointing it out. I looked again at WP:CITEVAR and realised that I have in fact read it before, but I read it as meaning changing the visible style within the article – like changing Notes to References or imposing a particular academic referencing style (Harvard, Chicago, etc) or changing between paranthetical and ref tags. Since I was only tidying the syntax of the page (in a way that did not alter the appearance to the reader), making it easier to edit and maintain, it never occurred to me that it might be covered by the statements in WP:CITEVAR. I'm still not convinced that the term Citation Style as used in WP:CITEVAR refers to what I was doing. But since two people raised objections, it is obviously open to different interpretations. Sincere regards — Hebrides (talk) 17:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Arthur_Sarkissian

Hi, your recent AWB edit of the above article has broken the refs for some reason & it is appearing in the missing reflist category. I'm not familiar with the ref list system so dare not try to fix. Are you aware of the problem? Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 12:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, cancel that. I'm going to revert. - Sitush (talk) 12:58, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I was just going to revert it myself. Having a bad morning :( – Hebrides (talk) 13:00, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

No probs. I had a bad week, just gone ;) - Sitush (talk) 13:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

== Hello Hebrides. This is KaboomXXL. I saw your comment, and my best answer to you is that I am still trying to get a grip on how to create an effective wiki article. Should you have any suggestions, please, feel free to let me know how I can make improvements.