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December 6

IP Address Fraud?

Please help someone is using my IP Address to make unsolicited and non-constructive changes to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.141.46 (talk) 01:52, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

You do not own an IP address. Your Internet Service Provider will often change the IP address that is assigned to you. If you want to take more responsibility for your edits, create a free account. -- kainaw™ 02:12, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Your ISP might allocate any address between 58.104.0.1 and 58.111.255.254 to you; if you restart your router you could get pretty much any IP address in this range. As Kainaw says, the best way to make sure your edits are your edits is to create an account. Having said that. the last edit from 'your' IP was this in January 2011, so what is your specific problem? Tonywalton ^Talk 02:32, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

The original poster might have got another IP already before posting. - Tanner Lin 09:31, 6 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanner Lin (talk • contribs)

Indic font rendering w Chrome

Would s.o. mind taking a look at the question at Help_talk:Multilingual_support_(Indic)#what's_up_with_Google_Chrome? — kwami (talk) 05:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you edit a Reference in an article.

I am the Webmaster of a site listed in the Reference section of an article. Actually, the site referrenced is no longer active and the reference is via The Wayback Machine circa 2007. The site was renamed that year and now has the same webpage with new and more complete information than the one that is on Wayback. I was going to change the URL in the Reference section but I have been unable to. I would like to know how to do that.TZMC (talk) 06:12, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

The short answer is to look at Help:Footnotes. It's difficult to say more than that without more specifics. Could you mention the article name and the URL at issue? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

When you are reading an article and see a references section near the bottom populated by a series of numbered citations, you might think that if you edit the page, you will see those citations typed in that section and be able to edit them. However, normally what you will see is code similar to this:

     ==References==
   {{Reflist}} or </references>

The text of citations is actually in the body of the article, directly next to statements or paragraphs the citations support, using <ref>(citation)</ref> tags, which display as footnotes (e.g.^[1][2]) when you are reading an article. The template code shown above in the references section colates and displays all of the citations within the article in a numbered list in which the numbers correspond to the footnote numbers in the text. By clicking on the ^ symbol next to a citation display, you can easily find exactly where in the body of the article the citation text appears in order to edit it. For more, please see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:05, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

What template to use to cite an entire magazine issue?

I tried to use Template:Cite journal, leaving out the article name, but that caused some weird italics issues (italicizing date and URL instead of magazine title) and just looked generally screwed up how the template rendered it (footnote 21 in this diff). I was wondering if there was another template I could use (or a way to get that template to work correctly) so that I can cite the entire magazine in a way that matches the other refs in the article. Thanks. - Purplewowies (talk) 07:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the reason but you did happen to not close the italics markup: magazine =''People: Special Collector's Edition. You forgot the two apostrophes after the word Edition. Dismas|^(talk) 08:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

The italics problem was probably my fault. I was copying various parts of the previous MLA format reference into the template, and I guess I accidentally copied the italics from the front end of the title. Oops. - Purplewowies (talk) 21:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

How about re-arranging the {{Citation}} parameters

{{Citation | title =''People: Special Collector's Edition'' | date = May 2009 | url = http://www.people.com/people/archive/issue/0,,7566090520,00.html}}

People: Special Collector's Edition, May 2009

which at least hides the ugly URL? -- John of Reading (talk) 08:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Use {{cite encyclopedia}}, which is for any edited collection:

• People: Special Collector's Edition. May 20, 2009 http://www.people.com/people/archive/issue/0,,7566090520,00.html. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 08:40, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

or {{Citation |month = May |year=2009 | url = http://www.people.com/people/archive/issue/0,,7566090520,00.html |title=Dylan & Cole : Zack & Cody |magazine=People |issue=Special Collector's Edition}}

which renders as follows: "Dylan & Cole : Zack & Cody", People, no. Special Collector's Edition, 2009 {{citation}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

or {{cite magazine}} (which reditects to {{cite journal}}) instead of {{Citation}}, rendering as follows:

"Dylan & Cole : Zack & Cody". People. No. Special Collector's Edition. 2009. {{cite magazine}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

(I note that the article currently mixes the {{Citation}} template with {{Cite xxx}} templates.) Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 09:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

They're all {{Cite xxx}} now. I didn't realize they were both being used (even though I was the one who added them). I also didn't know they weren't supposed to be used together, so I wouldn't have changed them if you hadn't brought that up.

On which citation template to use, I hadn't even thought of using {{cite journal}} and using the magazine subject/title itself as the article. I think that's the one I'll use. (I was expecting an answer like the {{Cite encyclopedia}} example, but I'm a bit reluctant to use that one since it says it's not for magazines and that {{cite journal}} should be used instead). Thanks to everyone who helped! :) - Purplewowies (talk) 21:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

disambiguating word for electronic 'bands'?

What is the accepting disambiguating word for a group of electronic musicians? I am referring to, amongst others, Truth (Dubstep Artist). Truth (band) does not seem appropriate and I am struggling to think of another way round it. doomgaze (talk) 10:22, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

What about Truth (musical ensemble) (see Musical ensemble). Just an idea, I am not too familiar with the terminology though. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm the article seems to suggest that an ensemble is one that is able to perform live music, which doesn't work for this situation. I'm stumped. doomgaze (talk) 22:43, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

You could use a general disambiguating term, such as Truth (musicians). Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 23:06, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Link to my site was removed from Wiki Article

I noticed earlier today that I started getting traffic from Wiki's page for The Roots' new album "Undun". I went there and found that my review of their album on my site had been placed there. I was kinda excited about that as that had never happened and I had no idea how to even go about that.

Not sure who put it on there, but I was appreciative. Then I noticed later on in the evening when I went there again to look up some info on the album, that the link was no longer there. It was in that little box that had the various reviews (metacritic, rolling stone, etc) and a link in the sources at the bottom. Now it's gone, and I was just wondering whether or not that was a mistake that it was removed and if not, what the reasoning behind removing it.

I'm not furious or anything like that, was just genuinely interested as it's a bit confusing for me.

Thank you for your time, and hope to hear from you.

For reference below I have linked to the wiki page as well as my review that was linked there earlier.

Gary Anderson www.searchingforchetbaker.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undun

http://www.searchingforchetbaker.com/2011/12/review-roots-undun.html 67.185.33.67 (talk) 10:40, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Gary. The review was removed in this edit by Dan56 (talk · contribs); as he didn't explain why he was doing what he was doing in his edit summary, I'll ask him whether he can explain here instead. I don't edit music / album articles, so I don't know what the accepted practice is for choosing which reviews to use, but it might be that blog-type reviews aren't favoured as much as reviews in magazines / newspapers / established online sites. Bencherlite^Talk 10:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia has guidelines on reliable sources, self published sources (i.e. blogs) and external links. Sites such as the above are not permitted as they are self published (anyone can resister a blogspot account write what they want in a blog) and are subject to no editorial control. Яehevkor ✉ 10:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I was dealing with a mess of vandalism through that article that included removal of professional reviews and addition of reviews such as this, so I did not explain my overall edit. Same sentiment as the comment above this one, and WP:Albums guidelines/policies, at least some of them, should be reviewed before making edits to them: Review sites or WP:Albums/Article body ("When choosing which reviews to include, consider the notability of the review source and keeping a neutral point of view"). Dan56 (talk) 20:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Catholic youth associations of French Algeria

Hello everybody!

Currently, the harv template is not functioning properly, regarding this specific article, given that syntax appears to be slightly different as what seems to be specifically relating to en.wp.

Is there an expert regarding this specific topic who would kindly have a look at this issue and see how it could be solved?

Thank you so much in advance!

Kindest regards!

euphonie ^breviary
11:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I believe my edit has fixed it; you can now jump to the "Further Reading" section by clicking on any of the "Fatès 2004" links in the references. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello, John of Reading!

Great! It works perfectly fine now.

Thank you for your help!

Best wishes!

euphonie ^breviary

13:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

submitting article from Sandbox

I think I did something wrong and need guidance. I am a new editor intent on writing many articles on the countryside and history of France. I wrote the article Roman Villas in Northwestern Gaul in my sandbox and thought I moved it to request for permanent status at the same time that I looked for a request for review template. I never found a way to submit it and now it appears to be of permanent status. I have submitted previous article from my userpage Chateau de la Motte, Joue du Plain, and it worked fine as far as I can tell, although I have not received any acceptance notice. Are these articles accepted? and if so then in the future what should route should I take on shorter articles I anticipate writing? thank you in advance for any guidance.Mlane (talk) 13:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

There is no formal "acceptance" or "submission" process. Users are encouraged to create articles in a sandbox first, so that they can be worked on over time without fear of speedy deletion, but that is not mandatory. So your articles are now in mainspace and look pretty good. There is a little copyediting required and I will take a look in a moment. – ukexpat (talk) 14:37, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

This move is where you moved the article from your sandbox to mainspace. Unless there is something wrong with an article, that is all you need to do. (If someone had thought the article was inappropriate and should be deleted, they would notify you on your user talk page.) There is also a Wikipedia:Article wizard process: I have never used it but I understand that as a last step it submits draft articles for review at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Even then (if I understand correctly) you are notified only if the article needs work; successful submissions are simply moved to main space. —teb728 t c 01:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Help with a parserfunction/Magic Word

Do we have a system variable / Magic Word / parserfunction that returns the size, in bytes, of a particular page? Something like {{PAGESINCAT}} or the like? I can't seem to find anything that would work. I have pagecounts on my userpage of various categories of article (Speedy Deletion candidates, mostly), and I'd like to replace the mostly unused Category:Articles for deletion using wrong syntax with the quite useful User:Snotbot/AfD report. But the bot report isn't category, nor does it place articles listed into a category - so I'd put the byte count (and subtract 183, that being the size when no articles are listed). Anything non-zero indicates that the bot report found a malformed or mis-closed AFD. Is there a way to make this work? UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 14:53, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, {{PAGESIZE:Wikipedia:Help desk}} displays as 115,562. See Help:Magic words. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:12, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Embarassingly, I had - and skimmed right past it. Thanks! UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 15:18, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Another "Request for feedback" (should be quick i think!)

I created a draft for Unicoi Systems, a company in Cumming, GA: draft of "Unicoi Systems". Currently, only Dirk Beetstra and myself have worked on it. My biggest concern is notability. Dtate888 (talk) 16:36, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I just see how it meets WP:CORP, our standards for notability of companies. Recognition by local groups like TAG don't add up to notability as we measure it. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for looking into it. But I guess I'll keep the page in case the notability increases sometime in the future. Dtate888 (talk) 17:01, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Help with templates

All the pages here (the ones about projection) all have Template:Views on them, which has File:Example.jpg on it. I got my bot to revert this but they all seem to still have it on somewhere, and I can't work out where, but they stay on the WhatLinksHere. Any suggestions? Rcsprinter123 (rap) 16:45, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

The results from "WhatLinksHere" are not necessarily up to date; those articles will disappear from the list eventually when the servers catch up. If you wish, you can make it happen sooner with a null edit on each of those articles. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:59, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Upload Company Logo?

My account is less than 4 days old and I am wanting to add a company logo to my first page I am attempting to wikify, any help would be appreciated. The subject is "PretoSkills Alliance" Thanks in advance and I look forward to many more edits! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Limerick1988 (talk • contribs) 16:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

What does the logo look like? In order to add the logo to PetroSkills Alliance it has to be uploaded first. However, it is necessary to determine the copyright status of the image. Can you perhaps point to a website, where the logo can be seen? It is important to know, whether the logo is just a simple text logo or if it contains more complex shapes. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 17:14, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

www.petroskills.com it is in the top left of the page, thanks!

(Limerick1988 (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC))

Request for help with new article

I'd appreciate if someone would please review GlowCode, provide any feedback, and remove the "New unreviewed article tag." GlowCode is a performance analysis tool, aka "profiler," used by software engineers, programmers. (Previously, there had been a link to GlowCode on the following page: List of performance analysis tools, but the GlowCode page itself had no content.) Thank you! Esigc (talk) 17:28, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Worlds Biggest Liar Competition, 2011.

Sir, I would just like to point out that the current Worlds Biggest Liar is no longer Paul Burrows but Glen Boylan from Maryport who won the Competition in November, you can get information on the winner by going onto the Times and Star website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.122.61 (talk) 17:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

If you like, and if you have a source for that, you can go to World's Biggest Liar and add the information yourself. Or some kind editor can track it down for you. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 17:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I have updated the article. Though there seems to be two versions of the winning story... one involving a snail race and another involving a mayonnaise and peanut butter sandwich. The only thing they have in common is Prince Charles. :D -- Obsidi♠n Soul 18:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Something weird

Can anyone have a look at Portal:Fashion please, the image on the right I'm seeing has something to do with Gandhi, Nehru and Jinnah and Indo-Pakistani peace, but when I click on the Image, I get this. I don't know if this is intentional (:|) or whatever. Lynch7 17:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

It was supposed to be the image of the lady, but someone had uploaded a different picture over the same filename; it was undone, but the thumbnail version didn't update (for some reason). I've now forced it to update (by changing the picture size from 200px to 199px), and I think it is OK.  Chzz  ►  17:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

... and I've done the same at History of fashion design which had suffered from the same problem. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks guys :) Lynch7 18:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Information to Improve Stubs

My deceased step father is the subject of several different Wikipedia stubs. My family has lots of information on the man and his work. However, there seems no way to add information to "improve the stub", since the added information would have no verifiable citation. Any way around this problem? It seems silly to add information, only to have it removed as unverifiable. Sidewise (talk) 19:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Verfiability is one of the cornerstones of Wikipedia. As a tertiary source, Wikipedia in essence collates material from other verifiable sources. If you can get the information that you have published somewhere, perhaps by donating it to a library or museum, we may be able to make use of it. – ukexpat (talk) 19:47, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Adding a 'Reference'?

Hello,

I am not by any means an expert on I.T., I was shown how to use a computer by one of my Sons, who is very far away and very busy.

The questions I wanted to ask were:

How do I add a reference to a page?

The info I wanted to add is as follows:

I was in Band as a teenager, one of the first 'Rock and Roll' Bands, it was back in the '60's', I was with the band for three years, but then left due to several differences. Later on, I met someone with an unsigned Band who later became famous, I told Him about my experiences with the Band and that I had one or two friends in the buisiness and might be able to help get them a recording contract as I thought the Band was really great and had 'original' material. They got signed and the second record they made, was the name of my Band and it became a 'Hit', their first 'Hit' and still the favorite with their fans, who don't know anything about me or the connection to the Band I was in.

Could I add a reference to the Band I was in an an explanation, plus mention the songs which have my name in?

There is a page on the famous Band, whose Singer I met before they were signed, before they used the name of the Band I was in for a single that became a 'Hit'.

Brasstapewound

I can 'verify' this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brasstapewound (talk • contribs) 20:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to wikipedia Brasstapewound. Wikipedia verifies information from published, reliable, secondary sources. We don't verify material from personal correspondence or life experience, as these aren't available in a fixed form for inspection, they're not reviewed through an editorial system for correctness, and they're too closely related to the topic to avoid fundamental biases. Have you considered being interviewed by a music journalist or social historian of rock who may be interested in your information, and may eventually publish it? Wikipedia could rely on that publication for the fact, as a publication in a recognised, edited music newspaper or magazine would be reliable. Fifelfoo (talk) 20:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello Fifelfoo, the Band I was in was an R.A.F./Army Band, who did get world famous and after I left, didn't get offered any more contracts, as being a Woman Rock Guitarist at the time, (1963-5,) was quite unusual. There will be records of that Band, because most of the Band were R.A.F. or Army, so both the R.A.F and the Army will hold records. Lots of people who know me have suggested I write a book or add the information to Wikepedea, but I don't kow any 'Rock Historians', perhaps you could suggest one?

So let me get this straight, you say unless there was some kind of 'Publication' about me, anyone can say they are me or were in the Band I was in or call themselves by that name or call their Band the same name and claim the 'Copyright' , ( does that mean a 'COPY'?) Anyone can call their new song by the name of the Band I was in and again claim the 'Copyright'!? I used to wear my hair in a 'Buffount', but now apperently it was an original style by another Woman? (who is now deceased.)

So anything written in the 'Wikepedea' is now Gospel? Strange there is NO mention of me on the Band's page, which is now owned by the people who have claimed 'Copyright'? The 'Star' died, much of His Music mentions MY name, but the 'Copyright' is owned by people who don't even know who I am!!!!

"May EVENTUALLY puplish it"???? I am 63, I do not want to go looking for Historians or Publishers, I do NOT need or want 'Fame', I was urged to attempt to let the truth be known, I tried.

So much for the TRUTH! 'History' is written by the winners of WAR, the losers get nothing! 'Wikipedea' is quite obviously no exception!

The BrassTapewound strings were called "____ ____" They were mine.

Brasstapewound (talk) 22:31, 6 December 2011 (UTC)--Brasstapewound (talk) 22:31, 6 December 2011 (UTC) Brasstapewound

Yes, this is unfortunately the way that things go. You could try writing a memoir and seek to get your notes, papers, and memoir deposited in a social history archive, and hope after you're dead that someone will write it up reliably. We rely on reliability, not truth. If you notice uncited material on wikipedia that you believe to be wrong, you can remove it; but, please also post to the article's Talk: page explaining why you removed the content. But you can't add material that cannot be proved from publication to be correct. Many of the publications open to publishing material from members of the public don't meet wikipedia's reliability criteria. If you contact Universities local to you, it may be possible to find a sympathetic historian. Additionally, the historians and archivists associated with the British military may have some interest in your material. Fifelfoo (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

New editors need feedback

Hey guys. I feel bad about being here because this is not the route by means of which I ought to be going for this kind of help, but I am over my head and need some assistance. Wikipedia:Requests for feedback directs here, by the way. There is a campus ambassador program on Wikipedia wherein university professors have their students edit articles as part of the classwork. I think this is a great way to introduce people to editing Wikipedia, but there are some problems with this new program.

Right now the problem I am facing is that I have a class which made articles and they are saying that they want a little more community review. I would appreciate anyone going to any of their articles and giving feedback on what should be changed - lots of short comments from different people would be great.

For the long term, if anyone has any ideas about how to get support for new users then please join/start conversations on the campus ambassador boards. I have a more full explanation here - User:Bluerasberry/jumpqueue. Thanks for any attention you can give. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Lack of citation sources

I contributed an article some time ago about a software product that was historically important in a particular technological area. The product is long dead but the architecture was sufficiently different that it influenced the industry. There is now a note on that site that says it needs citations. Unfortunately, being a dead commercial product means there is little that can be cited in the public domain. As the software architect for the organisation from 1987-2002, my knowledge is reliable. However, even though I tried to write an objective report, I understand that I cannot cite myself as a reliable source. Is that true? How should I proceed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonyproctor (talk • contribs) 20:43, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I am afraid that personal knowledge is not sufficient as it is not verifiable. Note that sources do not have to be online: articles in print magazines etc if they exist can be used as sources, preferably using the appropriate {{Cite}} template. – ukexpat (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Unable to access articles

Repeated attempts to view references under 'right to petition' resulted in (1) first a message that my search had 'timed out'-- I don't know what this means or how to respond to it; (2) nest my browser was taken over by an unidentifiable site that kept duplicating itself and would not respond to 'X' close, finally had to shut down my browser to stop it; (3) finally I reopened my browser at the last page viewed and got the message: 'error has occurred, pls try again later'. I did try again with a new search and got the same 'error' message. It feels like I am being denied access to these articles, which can't be, right? Please advise. Thanks. scate39 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scate39 (talk • contribs) 21:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry you had this trouble. Can you tell us the name or URL of the Wikipedia article that you were looking at, and the footnote number that had this unhelpful link? -- John of Reading (talk) 21:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for answering. My initial search was "Right to Petition". Sorry, I didn't get the heading etc, but the article was exactly what I was looking for. The references I was trying to access were (1) 'S.1 An omnibus 'ethics reform bill' that contained a provision Section 220 to establish federal regulations for the first time of certain efforts to encourage grassroots lobbying, ie, voluntary efforts of members of the general public', and (2) Section 220. A few minutes ago I tried once more with a new in to Wikipedia and a change in search to 'Constitutional Right to Petition' and got to Honest Leadership and Open Govt Act of 2007' but no lead from that to Section 220. I want to see what efforts Congress has made to legislate control over our right to petition. Many thanks. scate39 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scate39 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

The link in footnote 3 of Right to petition is faulty: whoever added the reference must have done a search, and then just pasted the URL into Wikipedia without realising that the URL was not a permanent link to the resource they had found, but a link to the particular search they were doing which found the resource. But the particular site (http://thomas.loc.gov) doesn't keep searches forever, and has expired that particular search. You can search for it again among the 110th congress bills at http://thomas.loc.gov/home/LegislativeData.php?&n=BillText&c=110, but I don't see a way to create a permanent URL for it. --ColinFine (talk) 00:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Article that I edited has disappeared

Its title is not showing with the various contributions. It is an article about Henry Landau 1892 - 1968, British spy. I have checked the deleted log and it does not come up there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wlzabi (talk • contribs) 22:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

You have an incomplete draft about Henry Landau at User:Wlzabi/Enter your new article name here. -- John of Reading (talk) 22:28, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

How to load profile picture in Wikipedia?

Hi,

How to load profile picture in Wikipedia? Can you please help me in this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhilash.sai (talk • contribs) 23:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by a "profile picture". Can you explain more about what you are having trouble with? --Jayron32 23:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I am trying upload a free-licence picture in wiki page. How to do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhilash.sai (talk • contribs) 00:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I also want to be an official editor. Can you help me?--Abhilash.sai (talk) 00:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, so it has articles, not profiles. To upload pictures to be used in articles, see WP:Image tutorial.

I don't know what you mean by an official editor. Anybody can be an editor, just by editing. Please read the links that somebody has put on your talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 00:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There are no official editors. The list of official editors is the entire population of the world. You became one when you were born. As far as uploading images for use in encyclopedia articles, see Help:Files. --Jayron32 00:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe by "official editor" they mean an autoconfirmed editor? Dismas|^(talk) 00:39, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Unlikely. The OP has been here since 2008, and has a few hundred edits. They've been autoconfirmed for a while. --Jayron32 00:46, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps they mean an administrator? - Purplewowies (talk) 00:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Dismas is right. Maybe since i am new to this editing work in Wikipedia, i am trying find out how Wikipedia works. But also i have seen some users who are Authors?? --Abhilash.sai (talk) 00:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe Purplewowies is more right. I always been an Admin where ever i worked--Abhilash.sai (talk) 01:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Information on Administrators at Wikipedia can be found at WP:ADMIN. --Jayron32 04:12, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

December 7

Donation by mail

I want to donate to Wikipedia through mail because I don't prefer using a credit card.Is there a way to donate to Wikipedia through mail ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by John aziz57 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, see here. Dismas|^(talk) 03:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:CSD-warn

Since I'm worthless for template coding, would someone kindly figure out what's wrong with this? The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It seems to be in working order, make sure you subst: it. Is there a particular circumstance where it doesn't appear to be working? Monty₈₄₅ 03:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I forgot to subst it, sorry for being a dope. But while I'm here, I might as well ask why it has Template:Sub st: at the top of it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It is so that the additional uses of subst: in the template wait until the template is used before being substituted. There are <noinclude> tags that cause {{Sub_st:more markup}} to become {{Subst:more markup}} when someone transcludes the template. Unfortunately, there isn't a very good way to have the template display automatically on its own page as a result.Monty₈₄₅ 04:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah. No wonder I can never figure out the template system here; credit to all of you who work on them. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:14, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Confusion with "This sandbox has been placed in the article namespace. Move this page into your userspace."

I have just moved an article ("SEMF Pty Ltd") from my sandbox to Wikipedia. Now it has this in bold red at the top: "This sandbox has been placed in the article namespace. Move this page into your userspace." Under what circumstances should i move the page to my userspace? What should I do to get rid of this message and make sure the article is viewable to the public? Thanks. User:Wendyann83 Wendyann83 (talk) 04:11, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

While not directly responsive to your question, I think you should be alerted to the Notability Guidelines for companies. To be notable, a topic must have received substantive coverage by multiple independent reliable sources. Currently, the only references in the article are to the company website, and the external links don't solve the problem. The article also reads a bit like an advertisement, designed to promote the company, rather then a neutral encyclopedic coverage of the topic. If not corrected, either of these problems could result in the article being deleted. In response to your specific question, to remove that, delete the line that says {{User sandbox}}. If you want more time to work on the article without a risk that someone will start a deletion process against it, you can just move it back to your userspace. Monty₈₄₅ 04:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help and advice. I have passed on your good advice to my client. Wendyann83 (talk) 05:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

If you are talking about "clients" in the context of editing Wikipedia, you will save yourself a great deal of frustration, and probably some work, by reading WP:COI and WP:CORPFAQ before you do any further editing. --ColinFine (talk) 08:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I have reworded the {{User sandbox}} error message to avoid this confusion. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:41, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

WIKI BOOKS

i was creating a book on wiki book creator and it was almost done yesterday but to day its completly gone i dont know where to retrive my old book from plzz... help i cant create it once again ...:( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.164.130.130 (talk) 07:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Only users with accounts can save a book (see WP:Books#Saving and sharing your book with others). Creating an account is free and has other benefits. --ColinFine (talk) 08:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry that this isn't made clearer when you start to create a book; I've begun a discussion about this here. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Appeal link does not work

I feel sure this has been raised before, but I couldn't find it in a quick search of the help desk archives. The "personal appeal" link on the home page does not work for me at all. When I hover over it, the link appears active, but the URL shown at the foot of the page is just "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page#". Then when I click the link, nothing happens – I remain on the home page. I suspect this may be a browser issue – I'm using IE7. Many thanks, --Viennese Waltz 08:44, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I have copied your message to the Wikimedia website, where you may get better answers: please see meta:Talk:Fundraising_2011#Appeal link does not work.

You could also contact the fund-raising team by email, problemsdonating@wikimedia.org

 Chzz  ►  08:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It was reported at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 December 4#Link at top of the page asking for donations (currently transcluded above at #Link at top of the page asking for donations). The user gave no feedback to replies so the cause was not determined. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Footnote 1 in Mongol invasion of Europe

Hello. Can anyone have a look at the first ref of this article? The wikicode using <ref name="Sourcesvary" /> looks correct to me. Thank you, Comte0 (talk) 08:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The infobox assigns strength1 twice. Sourcesvary is defined the first time but the second time overrides the first which is discarded. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I've traced the problem to a bot edit. Weird. I'm moving the question to WT:MILHIST in the hope they know how to deal with that complicated template. Thank you, Comte0 (talk) 11:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I mean that the code in Mongol invasion of Europe assigns twice to strength1. A parameter should only be assigned once when a template is used. The solution is simply to edit the article and remove one of the assignments, possibly merging content from the other. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:09, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Donating to Wikipedia from Nigeria

Hi. I am a reader based in Nigeria and I am interested in donating to Wikipedia. I checked the page where a debit card can be used, but found that Nigeria is not listed in the dropdown list. What other options are available for me to use?

134.146.0.43 (talk) 10:39, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

In the green panel on the right of foundation:Fundraising, there are links including Other ways to give. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Contribution to Wikipedia

Hello All,

My name is (Redacted), I am Indian by nationality living in Abu Dhabi, UAE. I have great respect for Wikipedia for the wonderful things you are doing to the human kind. We are from an Age where to reach the Information required is quite a struggle and it required a lot of effort to share the information across. It is so joy to see how the information is coming in front of us. In the generation of "Time is money" and "information is wealth" the contribution done by you all is priceless.

From my heart I want to be a part of your team and serve the cause with all my interest and strength. I am currently handling the Application Support for a Well reputed Finance company in the Middle East.I lead a team of 20 members, we take care of the database performance, availability of the sites, handling the application errors, Monitoring the resources and handle the tasks which our application cannot serve. I am confident that with my experience I can be a good player in your wonderful team and can live with pride.

I have a Masters degree in Computer Applications from University of Madras, 2005. and possess IT experience of around 6 years. I am passionate about photogaphy and spend my free time for it.

P.S I am married to a Moldovan National and am of father of a 3 months baby girl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sundergaru (talk • contribs) 10:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is run by the Wikimedia Foundation. Current job openings at the Foundation are listed here. Good luck. --Viennese Waltz 11:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Very short subsections

What is the minimal length a subsection (ie one under a level 3 heading) can / should have? The specific problem is, that I want to split Wieferich prime#Other properties into two subsections, since the way it currently is it looks too much like kind of a trivia section in my opinion. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

• There is no minimum length. If the two points in the section are distinct and both notable, then by all means have separate headings. For me, I would prefer it if the second point started with a full sentence of prose before you go into the formulas. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 11:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

administrator's help is required for the "carl hirschmann" articles

despite all links and references we have two individuals who repetedly modified and then blocked the page without taking into consideration fact and links references for the article Carl Hirschmann. Please look at the facts and corretc. thks --Bioplus (talk) 12:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The material added by Bioplus was suppressed as personal information. He has been indefinitely blocked for violations of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. This disclosure is made for information purposes only. User:Fred Bauder Talk 12:53, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Suitability of historical background in a novel as a subject for a Wiki article

We would like to create a Wiki article that discusses the historical background, and approach to writing, of a recently published historical novel. As the novel is self-published, we have searched the Wiki FAQ and read about Wikipedia's policy regarding such works as the subject for articles.

We have found a handful of novels, such as Shogun, Eragon, Elfquest, and others, that have Wiki articles. In particular, Shogun - while not self-published - discusses the historical basis for the story and characters, and seems a suitable model. Otherwise, we find that the majority of self-published novels have some additional merit, such as having been picked up by a major publisher, or making the best-seller lists, or having been made into a film; in a word, they have some maturity.

So we are wondering if our approach, that of discussing historical sources, issues of that day as they pertain to the events of the novel, and the representation of historical information as it is depicted in the novel, is sufficient to merit a place in Wikipedia.

Thank you, JamesLande (talk) 15:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

A self-published book is unlikely to meet the notability guidelines for books. In that event, the "background" stuff is unlikely to be notable either. – ukexpat (talk) 15:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

If, by any chance, you are to here to promote this book then you should also look through the Wikipedia guidelines on advertising and conflict of interest. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, as stated above, the short answer is no, I'd assume, unless the relationship between the material in question and the novel is itself discussed in published reliable sources, which seems unlikely - and then probably only if the novel meets the Wikipedia:Notability (books) guideline. Articles are supposed to be based on published sources, and not on the original research of contributors, which seems to be what you are suggesting here. Two questions though: what novel are you referring to, and are you by any chance connected with the author - if you are, you need to read our policy regarding conflicts of interest too. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:20, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The worst thing would be to spend a long time working on this and then get it deleted. Unless the novel has received attention from reliable sources that is what might happen. If it has only recently been published it would be wise to wait a while for it to receive sufficient coverage. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 15:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

i want to request you

that you should add urdu language,,so that all users from Pakistan can get maximum benefits..we will be very thankful if you add URDU.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.48.16 (talk) 16:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Click here to jump to the Urdu Wikipedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

... and the foot of the Main Page of English Wikipedia has links to other Wikipedias. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

my user name appearing on the top of my sports Bio with wikipedia

could you please help me removing my user name from the top of my wikipedia sports article (bio) that appears everytime someone goggles my name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TJTY (talk • contribs) 16:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

If you want to remove your name (assuming that it is your name) from your user page, there is nothing to stop you doing so. Alternatively you can add __NOINDEX__ to the top of the user page to stop it being indexed by Google. If you are saying that you would like someone to write a Wikipedia article, as distinct from a user page, then you would need to demonstrate (through reliable sources) that the subject complies with the relevant notability guidelines, then get someone without a conflict of interest to write the article. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I have moved your user page to Treamelle Taylor. Please note that we have a policy, which you can read here, which says that you should not edit about yourself, except under very specific circumstances. Please also note that you do not own the page you have created and it may be deleted or criticism about you may be added, if reliably sourced. --Dweller (talk) 17:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I did a little clean up and wikifying, but needs references if it is to survive a possible speedy deletion. Astronaut (talk) 17:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Portal:Current_events

I was just browsing the current events portal and noticed that the date format on wikinews blue box differs from the two green boxes above and below.

Right now the green ones say 7 December 2011 and the blue one says December 7, 2011.

In some questioning on the discussion page itself, John of Reading wrote that:

This is caused by an inconsistency in Portal:Current_events/Inclusion, and would be easy to fix. It would need an admin, though, since it is a fully-protected page. But both formats are consistent with MOS:DATE, so how do we choose? -- John of Reading (talk) 21:36, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I personally am a fan of the DD Month YYYY format, but obviously either is fine so long as it's consistent.

How can we get this resolved? Where do we go from here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JByrd (talk • contribs) 17:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

MSGJ boldly changed {{Current events header}} to display d-m-y format two days ago. I boldly changed it back. — Edokter (talk) — 18:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Err, that move was two YEARS ago - 5 Dec 2009, not 5 Dec 2011! Bencherlite^Talk 01:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I see there is already a discussion between yourself and John of Reading at Portal talk:Current events, which is where the discussion should happen. If you need additional editors to comment, you could post a notice at WP:VPM or start a "request for comment", WP:RFC. It may just take time; not every problem gets resolved the day the problem is noticed, I would get some other editors a chance to comment, and give it a few days to see what date format the consensus comes to. --Jayron32 18:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

My Wikipedia page.

I want to take control of my wikipedia page. I am Chris Frazier. It was originally created by someone else. There is incomplete and incorrect information on it and every time I correct it it is changed back the next day. I want administrative control of my page please. Tell me what I have to do. Thanks, Chris Frazier Drumdevil (talk) 19:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

You misunderstand Wikipedia. Chris Frazier is not your Wikipedia page; it is a page about you (assuming that you are him). That page can be edited by nearly anyone, provided that the information they add is verifiable. The one person who, in general, should NOT be editing the page is you, as you have a conflict of interest; please read WP:COI for the guidelines. You most certainly can't have administrative control of the page. You have been given a number of useful pointers in links on your user talk page, so please take the trouble to read them. Another page which you can usefully read is Wikipedia:Autobiography. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:37, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

First, we do not know who you are. The old phrase is, "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog." You could be anyone who is claiming to be Chris Frazier.

Second, assuming you are Chris Frazier, the page Chris Frazier is not your page, It is a page about you. Nobody has administrative control of it. All changes are done through consensus and must meet Wikipedia guidelines of notability and verifiability. What you have been attempting to do is add unverified and non-notable information while deleting verified and notable information. For example, what makes Frazier notable is his time with Whitesnake. You deleted every comment about Whitesnake and added anecdotes about Frazier beating on things as an infant. It is not notable that he may or may not have beat on things as an infant.

Third, see WP:COI. If you are Chris Frazier, you obviously have a conflict of interest. This page will help explain problems and solutions for handling conflict of interest. -- kainaw™ 19:40, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Possible GeoGroupTemplate Error

I'm using Template:GeoGroupTemplate in this article User:Belovedfreak/Monuments. Although I like it a lot, I seem to have broken it. In the Blackburn with Darwen section the entry for Pleasington alum works gets moved a few miles across the map. At first I assumed I must have made an error but it only happens when viewing through Geogroup, not if you click on the coordinates in the entry. It seems to be replacing the longitude with one from another entry in the Pendle section. I’ve tried about 50 different experiments and I can’t figure out what I’ve done wrong. TIA --Trappedinburnley (talk) 19:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Update: It seems to have more or less fixed itself, so maybe it was some sort of caching issue at my end?--Trappedinburnley (talk) 20:14, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'm seeing the marker at the same location (a wooded area between the ends of Alum Scar Lane and Billinge End Road) both directly through the {{coord}} link and through the GeoGroup link. Have you altered those coordinates since adding {{GeoGroupTemplate}} to the page? It takes Google Maps a while to reflect a change in coordinates through a GeoGroups link (as much as a day or two, in my experience). Deor (talk) 20:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The URL's displayed by Google/Bing have "usecache=1" at the end. While I was playing with it just now I tried "usecache=0". Maybe, just maybe, that fixed it. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:20, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I did fix an error in the coordinates after adding (and using) Geogroup, so sense has returned to my universe. It's working fine now. Thanks for your time!--Trappedinburnley (talk) 20:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Symbol appearing in watchlist

I just created a new page at User:Toshio Yamaguchi/ToDo 01. In my watchlist, there appears N! in front of the edit. I know N says the edit created a new page. I never recognized the exclamation mark before. When I hover over the exclamation mark it says "This edit has not yet been patrolled". Is that a new watchlist feature or is this just coincidence, meaning I somehow missed that on previous pages I created because I watched them only after they had been patrolled? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 19:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Also in the bottom right corner of the page there is a link that reads [Mark this page as patrolled]. I also never recognized that. Has there some new feature being implemented where I somehow missed the discussion? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 19:52, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Must be your own obliviousness, because page patrolling has been a feature for about 4 years, seeWikipedia:New pages patrol/patrolled pages. I've been around long enough to remember when it was implemented, but unless you are a regular at WP:NPP you may not encounter it usually. --Jayron32 19:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The watchlist exclamation mark is new; previously you'd only see [Mark this page as patrolled] if you visited the page via Special:NewPages. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:09, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

You may have missed the discussion here a week ago? - David Biddulph (talk) 22:11, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes I missed that discussion. I am currently not that active on Wikipedia for a variety of reasons. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 22:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I understand the purpose behind adding that; however, for a new page to appear on my Watchlist I would have had to create it so the notification doesn't do a lot of good. Does anyone know if there has ever been discussion about letting you know if a certain user creates a page? (I can see the danger of hounding in what I just said) Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

first class construction

I have been looking for meaning and uses in construction. I can't locate anywhere and its a common phrase with no explanation. I am looking for "first class construction". What exactly does that stand for, perimters??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cecilia30 (talk • contribs) 19:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.7 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 --Orange Mike | Talk 20:02, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

enter my company

hello, I have owned and operated a registered company for 23 years and would like it to show up on Wikipedia. I manufacture monogrammed baby and wedding books and have customers all over the world but mostly sell within the USA. How can I show up on your site? Susie Burns, owner of Way Cool Designs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.189.216 (talk) 20:28, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

You seem to be mistaken. Wikipedia is not a business directory. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. You may be interested in reading Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations. --Jayron32 20:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Videolog.tv

I created an article about the portuguese video provider Videolog.TV (mirror here: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videolog.tv) and it was simply deleted. The reason: speedy deletion, section A7 - No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content).

In the portuguese mirror, it says (and I quote what I remember saying in the EN mirror, translating the original text). I didn't used those exact words, but what I am writing below is what was said in that article. Nothing more and nothing less.

details

Videolog is a video-sharing website on which users can upload, share, and view videos. Created in May 2004 by Ariel Alexandre e Edson Mackeenzy, it became one of the main providers from Brazil. Since November 2010, it was partnered with the news portal R7. Popularity Since December 2011, Videolog.tv is ranked #300 in Alexa's brazilian traffic rank, and #12404 in the statistic of globally visited sites. Features Videolog allows the user to upload videos limited to 25 minutes and 400 MB, except for Videologgers PRO where the max filesize is up to 700 MB and unlimited lenght.---- One reason that justifies the article being here in the Wikipedia is this line "Since November 2010, it became part of the news portal R7". R7 article here: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/R7 And the source from the "partnership": http://noticias.r7.com/tecnologia-e-ciencia/noticias/videolog-maior-comunidade-de-videos-no-brasil-chega-ao-r7-20101101.html It belongs to a brazilian television network, as you can see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rede_Record I don't buy the "largest video provider in the country", this can be a way of drawing more people, and it would be inaccurate to write such things in any article from Wikipedia without proof or valid sources. That's why I changed that part to "one of the main video providers from Brazil" in the PT article as well, I mean something like that is more encyclopedic. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perene (talk • contribs) 20:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC) As an administrator, I can read deleted articles. The problem with the article was that there was nothing in the way it was written to indicate that the website was important in any way. However, if you would like to spend more time working on the article, I can move the (now deleted) article into your "userspace" as a draft article (see WP:DRAFT and WP:USERFY), and that should give you more time to spend crafting an article which can avoid deletion. Would you like that? --Jayron32 20:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC) As the deleting administrator, I'll point out that each Wikipedia has its own criteria for inclusion. For the English Wikipedia, the criteria for inclusion for companies and web sites are described in WP:CORP. What part of WP:CORP does this videolog.tv meet? ~Amatulić (talk) 20:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC) OK, sorry. I recognize there's no indication from the importance of this website alone, but what do you think about the partnership with the R7 portal I just explained? I mean, if R7 itself is a website like CNN and even has an article in the portuguese Wikipedia, and R7 belongs to the 3rd brazilian TV network (Rede Record - the other two are Rede Globo and Sistema Brasileiro de Televisão, how that does not qualify Videolog for being listed in the english Wikipedia? R7 also mentioned Videolog in this page about their partnership, so it's not just a website that a few people know that exist. Amatulic, I believe this part will meet WP:CORP: "Audience The source's audience must also be considered. Evidence of attention by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability. On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, national, or international source is necessary." Then again, I could be wrong. Perene (talk) 20:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Amatulic, another source I didn't even knew until now (I did a search) and didn't even mentioned in the deleted article: http://oglobo.globo.com/tecnologia/brasileira-samba-tech-compra-videolog-2867446 As you can see, Videolog has some importance and was even mentioned by this famous newspaper: O Globo which belongs to: "Globo Organization, the largest media conglomerate of South America[citation needed], founded in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 1925 by Irineu Marinho. It also owns companies on the food industry and the real estate and financial markets." Perene (talk) 20:50, 7 December 2011 (UTC) More sources that validate this claim: http://thenextweb.com/la/2011/09/06/brazilian-online-video-interesting-move-as-samba-tech-buys-videolog-tv/ (written in english) http://www.adnews.com.br/pt/negocios/samba-tech-compra-o-videolog.html http://www.telaviva.com.br/06/09/2011/samba-tech-adquire-a-videolog/tl/239316/news.aspx http://idgnow.uol.com.br/mercado/2011/09/06/samba-tech-compra-comunidade-de-videos-online-videolog/ http://www.valor.com.br/empresas/999116/samba-tech-compra-videolog-e-mira-al http://economia.ig.com.br/mercados/samba+tech+adquire+videolog/n1597196076818.html http://economia.uol.com.br/ultimas-noticias/valor/2011/09/05/samba-tech-adquire-videolog.jhtm http://exame.abril.com.br/pme/noticias/sambatech-compra-a-videolog iG = see Internet Group - brazilian portal UOL = see Universo Online - "UOL once known as Universo Online, is a Brazilian online service provider and internet service provider. It is the leader in Latin America and the homepage portal is the biggest in the Portuguese speaking world. UOL is currently ranked at Alexa TOP 100." Abril = see Grupo Abril = "the second largest Brazilian media conglomerate with its headquarter in São Paulo. The group is the holding company of Editora Abril, who publishes the weekly newsmagazine Veja". The news report says that Videolog was purchased by a company named "Samba Tech". If the article is restored a quick note about this can be added, I did that minutes ago in the portuguese mirror.

There, you have it, more than enough reasons to restore this article. If you can, please move to my userspace and I will edit what I didn't mentioned (about this "Samba Tech" deal, which I believe was the only thing missing from qualifying the article to be here). Perene (talk) 22:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I have userfied the article to User:Perene/Videolog.tv. ~Amatulić (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Image-display problem

The panoramic image of the Bayeux Tapestry (File:Tapisserie de Bayeux 31109.jpg} is not displaying properly for me at the bottom of the section Bayeux Tapestry#Construction, design and technique in our article. All I see is a thin vertical line in the middle of the thumbnail box. I am seeing it properly, however, at the bottom of the lead of the German WP article. Any idea what the problem may be? (My browser is IE8 if that's relevant.) Deor (talk) 20:35, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

That's definitely a browser issue. I tested in Safari and Internet Explorer. It displays properly in Safari, but in IE I just get that thin vertical line you describe. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 20:46, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, I guess my question now is, How can it be fixed for me and other IE users? The template syntax used in the article appears to be exactly the same as that used for the example image in Template:Panorama/doc, and that example displays fine for me. Deor (talk) 21:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It appears IE has a width limit of 16384 pixels in some situations. [[File:Tapisserie de Bayeux 31109.jpg|16384px]] works for me in IE but not [[File:Tapisserie de Bayeux 31109.jpg|16385px]]. This means the panorama works in IE at height 185 but fails at anything above. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:44, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I've adjusted the height in the article accordingly. Not the best solution, perhaps, but the browser is sufficiently used that I think it's better than leaving it the way it was. Deor (talk) 01:11, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Setting the sort order for a category without touching each article

For the wikipedia category Category:Redirects_from_German_language_terms, every page title in category is known to be in German, because this is the membership condition for the category. Is there a way to get the category to recognise this and sort umlaut-bearing characters appropriately? I'm aware that I could go through all the members of the category and add a default sort entry, but I was hoping for something that didn't involve that. This issue effects many subcategories of Category:Redirects_from_non-English_language_terms. Stuartyeates (talk) 23:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't know of any way to do this. At this VPT archive there is a discussion of a special sort required for one particular category, but nothing came of it. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:00, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

This is so that (for example) Große Fass comes before Grosslage and Sozialdemokratische Partei Österreichs comes before Sozialdemokratische Partei Südtirols and the entire Ö gets folded in with O, right? (Just curious)Naraht (talk) 16:34, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

From http://www.mail-archive.com/wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg44979.html , it appears that {{SORTAS:de}} would work, but maybe that's not installed in this wikipedia. I can't find anything with SORTAS as a magic word.Naraht (talk) 16:34, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

• See if there is a bot that can do this task on a semi-automated basis. - 194.60.106.17 (talk) 09:28, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

December 8

How do I create this page?

Hi there, how do I create a page which will be very similar to the Master Locksmiths Associationv page without you guys pulling it down for blatant advertsing or self promotion? I'd like to include information about the Master Locksmiths Association of Australasia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morro10 (talk • contribs) 02:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Have you read Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations? --Jayron32 04:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

a bout smile to africa adventure

do you know that smile to Africa adventure like wikipedia discussion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smileto africa (talk • contribs) 06:39, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Welcome. I guess you are referring to http://www.smiletoafricaadventure.com/. I don't exactly understand your question, but if you want to create an article about that organization here in Wikipedia, you will have to establish that organizations notability (see the specific specific guidelines for organizations). Also, we have a policy regarding the appropriateness of usernames. Yours might not comply with WP:CORPNAME. It might also be helpful to read about what Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Introduction to get an impression of what the purpose of Wikipedia is. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 08:18, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

User now blocked per the really obvious username issue. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:45, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Purusha Sukta

My question concerns information on Wikipedia about the "Purusha Sukta." Wikipedia is asking for "experts" to comment on the page about this ancient Indian literary contribution, which the UNESCO placed on the World Heritage list. I would like to edit the page to add the fact that the central thesis of the Purusha-Sukta--which is the origin of the caste system in India--does not say anywhere that one is born a Brahman, or a Sudra. Once can discern that simply from reading what the text says. How can I edit the page? I am a professor at Minnesota State University in the US. - Dr. Patil — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.91.101.54 (talk) 09:47, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

There is an EDIT tab at the top of the page. The article in question has been "tagged" as needing the attention of an expert, so your contribution would be welcome. As an academic, you will be familiar with the idea that statements have to be supported by reliable references. That would include any "fact" that is likely to be challenged or disputed. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 10:28, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

If you've not edited anything here before, then you may like to look at Help:Editing and Wikipedia:Cheatsheet. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:33, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

One difference between Wikipedia and academia is that Wikipedia does not accept original research. Information here must be based on what is already published in reliable sources. —teb728 t c 13:18, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

My wikipedia page is appearing on Facebook

We have created a page on wikipedia, but some of the content appears on Facebook in a search for our company name. How can I control this?

Vpltd (talk) 10:46, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

You can't and we can't - facebook automatically pulls content from Wikipedia to populate it's pages. --Cameron Scott (talk) 10:47, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Facebook community pages may incorporate content from Wikipedia— such use complies with Wikipedia policies on reuse of content. We at Wikipedia have no control over how the content is included nor can we help to remove it. Facebook does have a topic on Community pages and profile connections on their Help Center. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:52, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Vpltd - in simple terms, you have no ownership or control over your contributions to Wikipedia. Within fairly broad limits, anyone may amend or reuse your Wikipedia contributions as they wish. You may find it helpful to read our policy on ownership of articles and our guideline on conflicts of interest. Gandalf61 (talk)

What's all the Hubbub, bub?

I recently saw an article about the Phoenix AZ haboob and wondered if it was etymologically related to the word "hubub" and so I searched for the word hubbub in your archive but wound up in some article about a goddamned awful discovery channel venture. Though I eventually found out, on dictionary.com, that hubbub comes from Gaelic for a sound of opprobrium or discord I was wondering if a disambiguation page linking to both the literal meaning of the word as well as the discovery channel product might be in order? Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.253.236 (talk) 11:42, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't aim to be a dictionary; you might like to look at the sister project Wictionary. I have this installed as one of my browser's search options and use it constantly. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:46, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

There's a page on it at Wiktionary. - Purplewowies (talk) 15:48, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Article

Dear Wikipedia, I am writing a research paper for school and I used your website for information. I am now writing my bibliography and I need to know when it was written. I am doing the Colosseum and it is really important for me. Please help. From, WIkipedia User — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.38.100.57 (talk) 14:07, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:12, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Needs a better navigation:

• Preaching To The Perverted (album)
• Preaching to the Perverted (movie)
• Preaching To The Perverted (movie soundtrack) [1] by Fuzztones

Thank you, 93.130.157.5 (talk) 15:16, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Don't forget The Best of Pigface: Preaching to the Perverted. It seems a disambiguation page at Preaching To The Perverted/Preaching to the Perverted (one redirecting to the other) would be useful, instead of Preaching To The Perverted and Preaching to the Perverted each redirecting to separate articles. --Colapeninsula (talk) 16:20, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Looks like Kittybrewster is sorting this one out. Thanks for bringing it up. Яehevkor ✉ 16:26, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Tried to. Not convinced of their notability. Don't understand why the film#soundtrack does not have the same tracks as the Fuzztones album. Kittybrewster ☎ 17:15, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Roxanna Panufnik

The entry on me, in Wikipedia, is several years out of date and doesn't mention my website. How can I update it? Best wishes, Roxanna Panufnik — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.179.130 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

The article Roxanna Panufnik does have a link to your website. In general, you should not update an article about yourself, so it is good that you asked; please read the guidelines on conflict of interest. Your best bet may be to suggest changes at Talk:Roxanna Panufnik, with references to reliable sources for the information. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:46, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Article has a misleading sentence

The article states that autopsy is performed by a pathologist by a request from a coroner or a medical examiner. This is slightly misleading, since medical examiners are "forensic pathologists" and they perform autopsies by themselves. States where elected coroners are present instead of medical examiners, coroners examine the bodies just like medical examiners do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.185.158.21 (talk) 17:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for editing the article yourself and making Wikipedia better! We appreciate your contributions.--Slon02 (talk) 23:30, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Editing Reference Links

hey there, I was on David Berman the musician's page and noticed that the link to Pitchfork's article about the band ending was broken, and I wrote to them and got the updated link, which is:

http://www.pitchfork.com/news/34455-silver-jews-david-berman-calls-it-quits/?utm_campaign=search&utm_medium=site&utm_source=search-ac

it is cited as references 3 and 4 on the page. is reference link editing only an option for registered users?

thank you! Matthew — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.8.92.199 (talk) 17:24, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

You should be able to edit it. Click on the little blue a link ^a alongside the reference 3 in the reference section, and that will take you to where the reference is defined. Click the edit link at the top of that section. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:36, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed it, but David is correct. You can also look at Help:Footnotes for more information. - Purplewowies (talk) 17:39, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Username for a New Account Regarded as too Similar

Hello,

I was trying to make a user account with my standard web username "barcarole". I saw that it had been taken, and when I sought to use my typical alternative "b4rcarole", I was told is was too close to the user who had "barcarole". As it stands, it appears that the user "barcarole" doesn't even utilize their account for anything, not that I wish to take their username, but I would really like to use "b4rcarole". I have come across multiple articles from time to time that have been vandalized and reverted them and wanted to edit others, so I wanted to make an account, but I would like to operate under a common username of mine. Thank you.

-Tommy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.110.242.7 (talk) 17:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest that you read WP:Usurp. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:08, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

st. catharines jail

The St. Catharines Jail did not exist. It was the Lincoln County Jail, on Niagara Street. Here is a picture of it:

http://www.nflibrary.ca/nfplindex/show.asp?id=101220&b=1

If you search St. Catharines Jail you will find it also listed in the Ontario Jails, closed.

Interesting to note- this particular jail was used as a restaurant for a very short period of time before it was demolished. People were actually HUNG on the grounds as well when it was a prison- I remember the the gallows outside when walking by as a kid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.89.190 (talk) 21:10, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I have copied your comment to Talk:List of correctional facilities in Ontario, where it will be seen by the editors most interested in developing that article. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:29, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

K5 Glass

What is K5 Glass? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.115.253.163 (talk) 22:31, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Have you tried the Science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.Template:Z38 —teb728 t c 01:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

IPA code for Danish

Hello, I was trying to add an IPA for the Egtved Girl article, because the Danish word 'Egtved' is difficult to pronounce in English, but I was unsuccessful. For some reason I can't get the IPA code right. I don't plan on having an audio pipe on the IPA. Thanks, --GouramiWatcher ^(Gulp) 23:29, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

You have to insert {{IPA-da|ˈɛgtʋɛd}} to get Danish pronunciation: [ˈɛgtʋɛd] or {{IPA-da|ˈɛgtʋɛd|}} to get [ˈɛgtʋɛd]. Templates named "IPAc-xx" provide the option for using a separate parametre for each letter of the alphabet or IPA symbol. IPAc-en, IPAc-fr, IPAc-ar are some of them, but Template:IPAc-da currently doesn't exist. By the way, are you sure the Danish IPA shouldn't be [ˈɛɡtʋɛð] instead? --Theurgist (talk) 00:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! You are most likely right with your version of the IPA since mine was only a rough pronunciation. --GouramiWatcher ^(Gulp)13:36, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Search Wikipedia for Montrose Star and I get Houston Voice

I own Montrose Star. A former independent contractor, Justin Galloway, is deceiving the public by changing our Wiki page to read Houston Voice.

How can I stop him from accessing and editing our wikipedia page?

lv (talk) 23:55, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Montrose Star redirects to Houston Voice. Unless there is a very good reason, a paper that changed names/owners/etc and which is essentially the same newspaper now as it was "then" should have only one article. That article should explain the entire history of the changes using reliable sources. Right now, that article is going through a process by which the editors here are deciding whether it should be deleted or not due to the requirements that we have for notability. You, as the owner, should not be editing any articles directly related to either paper since you have an obvious conflict of interest. If you like, you can make suggestions for changes on the article's talk page though don't expect every change you suggest to be made. Dismas|^(talk) 00:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict): It is not your Wikipedia page, and you cannot stop anybody from editing it.

It appears that people associated with the current and previous organs called the Montrose Star are engaging in an edit war, and they should both read WP:WAR, WP:COI and WP:CORP. It is especially unwelcome for people to bring an existing dispute into Wikipedia.

If one or both organs meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, there can be articles about them; but I see that the existing article is up for deletion: unsurprising, since it does not appear to cite a single independent source.

If there end up being articles about both, there should be either a disambiguation page, or else the articles need to have distinct names and should have hatnotes pointing to each other. If just one of them is found to meet the notability criterion, it seems likely that the other should get a mention in the article - presuming the independent reliable sources can be found which mentions the other. --ColinFine (talk) 00:25, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

December 9

Berkman Study

It seems like the study that is appearing at the top of the pages is only seen by people with accounts. Has anyone actually received money by completing it? Ryan Vesey Review me! 00:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll let you know if I do. I just completed it about an hour ago but don't expect anything until at least the start of the business day on Friday or Monday. And I doubt anyone has received anything if it just started appearing tonight/today. Dismas|^(talk) 00:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Polydactyly

I am a polydactyly I would like to know how can I post a pic of my hands and will i be financially re-embursed for the photo exposure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunshinetweet123 (talk • contribs) 02:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Three things:

1. You need to be autoconfirmed before you can upload pictures to Wikipedia. You need four days and nine more edits.
2. You need to upload your image with a free license in accordance with the Image use policy. A list of free licenses acceptable on Wikipedia can be found here.
3. No, you will not be financially reimbursed.

Also, WP:UPIMAGE may be of interest to you. - Purplewowies (talk) 02:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

You don't need autoconfirmation if you upload to the Wikimedia Commons. And if you do that, then the image(s) can be used at the Wikipedias in other languages. Dismas|^(talk) 03:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

You will not be financially re-embursed for use of images on Wikipedia.  Chzz  ►  10:09, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, there are several good pictures already in the article polydactyly, so it is not clear that the article would be improved by another one, unless perhaps it showed a significantly different syndrome. --ColinFine (talk) 17:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Names of vegetables

Botanical names of kashmiri vegetables. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.0.9.153 (talk) 06:20, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Have you tried the science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.Template:Z38 —teb728 t c 08:54, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The article Kashmiri cuisine only mentions three specific vegetables:

• Aubergine (called Vangan Hach)
• Bottle Gourd (called Al Hach)
• Turnips (called Goagji Hach)

I have linked these to Wikipedia articles, from which you can find their botanical names. --ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

approval

Hi, I sent in my first contribution... when will it be publicly published? And will I be alerted to this fact.

Thanks,

Mandy Salomon TTE678 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TTE678 (talk • contribs) 06:55, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

You can keep an eye on progress at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Serge Soudoplatoff. As it says there, there are hundreds of drafts awaiting review. I notice that most of the references are blogs, so you may wish to read WP:RS. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

(e/c) Your article has problems: In the first place it doesn’t indicate why Soudoplatoff is important or significant. See WP:BIO for the notability standards for biographies. Also it needs additional inline references to reliable sources to verify the content. Most of your inline references are to blogs, which are not considered reliable sources. You provide a list of other external links, but there is no indication of what parts of the article they are supposed to verify. (I made some superficial improvements to the article: adding links to other Wikipedia articles, formatting inline references as footnotes, and converting inline external links that merely identify subjects to internal links to the articles about those subjects.) —teb728 t c 08:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Confusion on AFD'd article

Montrose Star (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Houston Voice (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Montrose Star (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Montrose Star was nominated at AFD, and at the AFD discussion someone suggested renaming to Houston Voice. Whereupon an anon over-boldly copied the article there, only partially updated the contents, and then redirected the original article to the copy. This action confuses the issue: In the first place, if the copy is to be kept, it needs a history merge. And redirecting the subject of an AFD in the middle of discussion confuses the discussion: For example, should Keep !votes be interpreted to apply to the original article or the copy? —teb728 t c 07:36, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Update: I reverted the redirect on Montrose Star, leaving two separate articles. But the redirect had been there for most of the last six days. —teb728 t c 12:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

A standard history merger with just {{db-histmerge}} is impossible since the articles have overlapping histories (which would be interleaved, a very bad thing). However, if you're willing to part with the most recent additions to Montrose Star, such revisions could be deleted (not using WP:REVDEL, but with conventional deletion), making a history merge possible. Alternately, early revisions from Houston Voice could be deleted, but I'm not sure if that's kosher with our copyright requirements. It might be best to just delete Houston Voice entirely and move Montrose Star over it, but that will lose contributions. But if you do want help with this, take it to WP:REPAIR for admin assistance. --NYKevin @156, i.e. 02:43, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Making an article for a Human Rights Organisation - some assistance required

Hi,

I am trying to make an article for a human rights organisation. There is plenty of content that i will be sourcing from the organisations website however i seem to be faltering at the basic wikipedia layout/template. Is anyone able to assist with this? The website is www.arasa.info. The logo i loaded appears but i'm not too sure sure about its location on the page as it seems to be 'floating'. Anyone to can assist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arasact (talk • contribs) 09:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I added the logo for you. But I want to be sure you understand that the organization's website is not considered an independent reliable source. All facts in the article need to be verifiable by references to reliable sources. And those that establish the required notability must be independent of the organization. —teb728 t c 09:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I have an additional very serious concern: Your username may violate Wikipedia's username policy, for it seems to indicate that you are editing on behalf of ARASA. —teb728 t c 09:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The user name is a clear violation of the user name policy and has been reported as such. Also, the images in the draft appear to be copyvios as the organisation's website bears a clear copyright notice, and an appropriate permission has not been provided. – ukexpat (talk) 13:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

reggie lambe article

Reggie Lambe

that is not a valid picture of reggie lambe as a matter of fact that picture is not reggie lambe. see link for confirmation http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/12/08/toronto-fc-see-lambe-electric-option-wings — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talk1talk9 (talk • contribs) 09:55, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know. OK, so, the original uploader says it was their own picture; I have now questioned that, and have removed the image from the article.

We cannot use the image you suggested, because of copyright concerns; please see WP:DCM.

Maybe you could help us find an image we can use; please see Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  10:31, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Infobox image in articles about fictional characters from television shows

Stuck

 – I should bring this up at WP:WikiProject Star Trek. Although probably not totally misplaced here as a question about editing Wikipedia in the broadest sense, I feel the assistance the Help desk can (and perhaps should) provide with this has been exhausted. Thanks for all the feedback. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 16:43, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Is there a guideline on what the infobox image for an article about a fictional character from a television series should look like? I want to change an infobox image in a specific article about a fictional character. And yes, I am aware that these discussions might often come down to "I prefer this image over that image because ....". Are there more objective criteria I can bring up to justify such a change? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:07, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Can I just boldly change the image? As a note, it would change the image from a portrait of the character to an image showing the character standing. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:11, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

This may be helpful. – ukexpat (talk) 13:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I could take that as supporting my intended change, since the shots of a character in a television series will most likely not just show the character's head. The point is, that since both images are non-free, this will result in the deletion of the current image. I personally would prefer the new image I want to add. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:06, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

If by portrait you mean a drawing of some artistic skill, I'd go with an actual picture of the character. That way nothing is left up to imagination or interpretation. I'm assuming here that we're talking about a real life person who plays a character here and not a character from a cartoon or anime. Dismas|^(talk) 14:20, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The specific image is the infobox image in the article Tasha Yar. I want to change it to this one. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

By the way, I acknowledge that making that change as described could probably be regarded as a disimprovement, since that image seems to be of a poor quality (there is a lot of noise in the image). I would try to fix that prior to uploading that image. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

That image is too big. If that image is to be shown in the infobox, you would hardly be able to make out the face. That is the reason we mainly use portraits instead of standing. — Edokter (talk) — 14:42, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

FWIW I have uploaded a tweaked version of File:TashaYar.jpg that is a little better, I think. – ukexpat (talk) 14:44, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

@Edokter: Is there a guideline that says the infobox image has to show only he face? After all, in the television show, a viewer will often not just see the characters face.

@Ukexpat: Thanks for the upload. I am still interested whether the change I intend to make is allowed or not.

Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

(outdent, got tired of counting colons) In general, the image is for identification of the subject. Nothing about Yar's legs, arms, or stomach are notable or extra-ordinary. The face shot is better. Dismas|^(talk) 15:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree with that. I haven't seen sources that would establish that the character is notable for the arms or legs or whatever. On the other hand, I also haven't seen sources that would establish that the character is notable for the face and I haven't seen a guideline that says a portrait is preferable over an image showing the character in its entirety for such articles. I hope this doesn't come over as me "pushing" for that particular image. That it might be better is of course just my personal opinion and I would like to see a policy or guideline supporting either of the two images. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 15:25, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, you see, in general, humans identify people primarily by their facial features, so you can see why the face is a good starting point. And a full body shot in an infobox would just look... weird. --NYKevin @150, i.e. 02:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

One argument in favor of the image I want to upload would be, that the article is about the whole character and not just the characters head. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 15:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Costs of services

Is this allowed in Wikipedia? This article is informing how much the company is charging for each service offered to consumers, but I am not sure if this kind of information can be posted here.

It's not the type of thing that we like to have here, no. We aren't a comparison shopping service. I'm actually not entirely convinced that the company meets the notability requirements of WP:CORP anyway. Dismas|^(talk) 14:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The whole thing looks like a spamfest to me and I have tagged it for speedy deletion as such. – ukexpat (talk) 14:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

• Dismas: actually this article is from a product of this company, but I am not sure if it's justified to have his own page (or at least in the way it was written). Perene (talk) 14:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Speedily deleted as too promotional in tone. – ukexpat (talk) 15:27, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Hebrew Experts, Come and Help Decide: Neve Sha'anan or Nave Sha'anan?

(I couldn't technically post my call on the general bulletin board, hence this one here.)

Please come help decide whether the neighbourhood he:נווה שאנן's name will be transcripted in Latin Alphabeth into Neve or rather Nave Sha'anan. We now have in the English Wikipedia three articles and one disambig-page with a misspelled title, and respective following pages with that same error in two foreign language wikis as well as Commons! If there's a more appropriate and efficiant page for this message to be published I'd be thankful if you do so. The rename discussion is here. 94.230.82.25 (talk) 14:40, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I've posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel for you, since that's probably the best place to get the attention of Hebrew experts. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:14, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much. 94.230.82.25 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC).

Help! My article is listed for speedy deletion, and I can't get into the page

H — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infuzein (talk • contribs) 14:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

What page? -- kainaw™ 14:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Based on contributions, Infuzein is a new username for EAUFC, who was indef blocked for a spam username. So the article would be Engin Akyurek. EAUFC removed the prod, so deletion of the article is not an immediate issue. But apparently the new username is having an autoblock problem; so Infuzein can't edit from his/her usual IP. —teb728 t c 03:38, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia should use social netwroking when appealing to people on Wiki

I see so many different appeals from Wikipedia authors and staff. However, if Wikipedia put a share button on the same page. So any readers who do not afford to pay can at least share it to society by clicking the 'Share' button. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.200.111.19 (talk) 20:22, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

This has been proposed recently (see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 81#Does Wikipedia need a “share” button?). Arguments for and against that proposal were brought up and currently there doesn't seem to be a clear consensus within the Wikipedia community for or against such a feature. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 20:33, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

lost Maxime Old article

Hi, I am annecaro961, and I've recently (october/november) be working on an article which was basically a translation in english of the one I had previously written in french on Maxime Old a french decorator. I am not any more able to find it and even not on the deleted ones!!could you hep me? Many thanks anne-caroline schwob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annecaro961 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The article Maxime Old was deleted by Jac16888 (talk · contribs) with a reason of G11 (Unambiguous advertising or promotion). Personally, I don't agree that your article fitted that description, though it wasn't in a fit state to be in the main namespace. If you want, I can restore it and move it to a sub-page of your user area. You can work on it there and only move it back to article space when it's ready. --GraemeL ^(talk) 20:59, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

making Search Box 'Active'

When I load Wiki, I have to click the search box, before typing. Is there sa setting to make it like google? ie when Wiki loads, (imho) the search box should be 'active' so I can begin typing WITHOUT having to click the box.

Am I missing something?

Thanks for listening,

Rich Boyer

PS the 'hacker' in my user refers to my GOLF skills, NOT any computer intrusion abilities <g> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azhacker (talk • contribs) 22:49, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page#Why doesn't the cursor appear in the search box, like with Google?. Deor (talk) 00:43, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

help Chat Screen Format

When I try to ask a question via chat, the screen formats strangely. It's all text, run together, with no line feeds, paragraph breaks, etc. I can see on the last line, what appears to be an agent ready to help, but the screen offers no place my MY input. Am I missing a setting in the setup?

TIA

Rich Boyer

PS- Be assured, the 'hacker' in my screen name, is in reference to by GOLF skills, not my computer intrusion desires <g> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azhacker (talk • contribs) 22:54, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

You type in the area at the bottom of the screen - there's an empty box which goes all the way across; if you click in that, you'll get a flashing cursor. Just type a short sentence and hit return. Often, several people are "talking" at the same time. Give it another try; once you get used to it, it starts to make sense.  Chzz  ►  04:42, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

How To Do Footnotes and Short Citations and Reference List for Article.

Hi

I am a beginner editor and I need help figuring out the markup codes needed to add footnotes and short citations to the Wikipedia article on Ethan Allen. I saw that this article uses short citations, with the full name of book, author, publisher, etc, listed only under References.

I don't know what mark-up codes to use to generate this format for footnotes I want to add to the Ethan Allen article.

How does one generate the footnote style called a short citation, but also the name of the book to be put in the Reference section.

Could you give me examples I could use as a model.

The book I wish to cite several times is:

Willard Sterne Randall, Ethan Allen: His Life and Times, W. W. Norton, New York and London, 2011.

Hope you can help me. I have read the HELP articles on Wikipedia footnotes, but am still confused.

Thanks Delancy --Delancy (talk) 23:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I've added help on harvard-style references on the user's talk page, User_talk:Delancy#Harvard-style_references.  Chzz  ►  03:51, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

December 10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokyu : hyperlink to WRONG PERSON

The wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokyu correctly indicates me, Eric Golub, a performing artist and ethnomusicologist in northern California, as the American musician who is a performer on that Japanese instrument. However, recently the place where my name is mentioned is hyperlinked to a different Eric Golub, a noted political blogger in southern California. I would appreciate it if this could be corrected! If my name can be hyperlinked, I would request it be linked to my most current music webpage http://myspace.com/ericgolub. Please note, at the bottom of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokyu page, I am correctly referenced with my blog http://ericgolub.blogspot.com, and this should help confirm that indeed I am a different individual entirely from political blogger Eric Golub. Thanks very much, Eric Golub Sirqitous (talk) 01:05, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I removed the link to the wrong person's article. I also removed a link to your blog; Wikipedia links to blogs and myspace pages only in very special circumstances. Sorry —teb728 t c 01:27, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

'google' what defines an english person

Do you know that if you google 'what defines an english person' the 1st google answer is the wikipedia definition of the word cunt.

this should definitely be rectified.

Cheers,

Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.130.119 (talk • contribs) 03:31, 10 December 2011‎

Heh; looks like someone has been googlebombing. But I don't see it's anything Wikipedia can - or should - do anything about. If you are concerned about it, you should contact Google; not Wikipedia.  Chzz  ►  03:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Contact Randy Meisner

My name Philip Davis and I am trying to find out how to get in contact with Randy Meisner, He was a good friend of my Dad's in the 80's, my dad use to drive for him back then. My dad has past away sense then, I was just hoping to say hi, or write a message to him.I hope you can help, my e-mail is <email removed>. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.188.72.203 (talk) 05:44, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

http://www.randymeisneronline.com/ is his web page. Take it to the limit, one more time, my friend! --Jayron32 06:01, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Question about rejected DYK

An article I created was nominated on DYK on November 18. An editor claimed there was a copyright issue a few days later but never clarified what that issue was. My question remained unanswered until today when the hook was rejected. There was no reason given by the closing editor. Is there anyway to appeal this decision? 72.74.206.103 (talk) 05:53, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

The user who left the note was User talk:Sturmvogel 66. You should ask them directly. --Jayron32 06:04, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I suppose I could but what would be the point if the decision is final? Afterall, Sturmvogel didn't respond to my question after three weeks. 72.74.206.103 (talk) 06:14, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Did you ask them at their talk page? If you aren't interested in why they left their note, why did you even start the discussion here. I certainly don't know why they did what they did. But they might. --Jayron32 06:16, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

First, I was specifically requested to respond on the nomination page. The point of my question was to ask if there was anyway to appeal a rejected DYK nomination. The hook is supported by at least four news articles. If there was a statement that was taken word-for-word (with the exception of an attributed quote) from any of these sources, it could easily have been rewritten. 72.74.206.103 (talk) 06:28, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Deleting an unwanted page about me

A marketing firm just created a Wikipedia page about me, much to my dismay. I am not a celebrity, there is nothing interesting about me, I am not associated with any events or important people....and I value my privacy. I have edited the page to fix the inaccuracies, but would really prefer to delete it. Is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miriam123 (talk • contribs) 11:02, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

The criterion for whether Wikipedia has a page about you is whether or not you are notable - whether other reliable sources have written about you. If they have, then anybody can create an article about you; if they have not, then anybody - including you - may nominate the article for deletion.

If the consensus is that an article is appropriate, then Wikipedia is very concerned that it should contain only reliably sourced material, according to the policy on WP:Biographies of living persons, and you will be welcome to help us achieve that, but subject to the concerns in WP:conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 11:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks. As the only reference is to my university's website, I am going to assume that confirms my non-notability and nominate the article for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miriam123 (talk • contribs) 11:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

A deletion request from the subject does not guarantee deletion but is taken into account per Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators#Biographies of living people. I have added your concern to the request.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 12:09, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

OSVAH

I want to know about the Meaning of Arabic Word OSVAH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.254.223.161 (talk) 12:15, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I have moved your question to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#OSVAH.

Here, on the help-desk, we can only help with questions about using Wikipedia. However, the reference desk is able to answer a wide variety of questions; please check back there for responses.  Chzz  ►  12:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

MEP external links

The external links "template" for an MEP (example) seems to be outdated. The link which should normally point to the personal page of the MEP, now redirects to a search page. Druzhnik (talk) 13:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I have attempted a fix: [3]. It works on the pages I tested. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:23, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Tired of fighting battles over images

The_Epoch_Times had several non-free, full-color, full-sized images on its page when I got around to making two images of parts of its front page: one for a U.S. edition and one for a Malaysian edition. The latter was deleted. I had no time to fight the battle, but I thought, silly as the reasoning for its removal, I'll live with just one. Now someone is trying to replace the remaining image with an content-free corporate logo that doesn't even represent the paper in most people's minds. I don't know how to deal with situations like this effectively, so I'm seeking help here. The New York Times article, you will see, carries an image of the paper, too. It's much more famous than The Epoch Times, so if any image doesn't belong, the Times image should go first, no? Imagine Reason (talk) 15:54, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

There does seem to be a pattern of using covers in newspaper infoboxes, I'm not sure this is backed up by any consensus (I'd be unsure where to look for such a thing) although Template:Infobox_newspaper does state "image (front page or other)" and has a separate field for a logo (although in this case putting the logo in the logo field just looks ugly). The logo in question (is that really their actual logo?) however, does not seem to pass the threshold of originality and could be considers public domain, see Wikipedia:Public_domain#Non-creative_works. Based on that, I see no reason not to use both images in the article. Either way, it's unhealthy to think of these as "battles", it's a collaborative environment and minor disagreements like this are common, just having a polite discussion with these editors is nothing to be weary of. Яehevkor ✉ 16:20, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

So far as the cover image on New York Times is concerned, that issue is in the public domain, having been published in 1914. —teb728 t c 23:36, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

How to Display Image on Wk Page/ Could Image Be Blocked?

A while back, I created a stub on artist Mary McCleary. It's my first article and I'm still new and learning. I wanted to display an image of her work for the infobox titled "The Falcon Cannot Hear the Falconer." A copy of this image can be found here:

http://img.artknowledgenews.com/files2011nov/Mary-McCleary-Falcon-Cannot-Hear.jpg

I was able to save the image to my PC, but using the same jpeg address, the image does not show up on the Wk page. I read through the image copyright rules, and because the image has been reproduced online, the actual work of art is now in a public collection, the image on the Wk page would not be to scale nor high-resolution, I believe I would not be infringing on copyright per Wk's guidelines. Additionally, I credit the image on the Wk page. Is it possible the gallery (Moody Gallery) who owns this image has blocked Wikipedia from displaying it? Is there any way I can test to see or know if this is the case? Have they perhaps blocked the image from any website displaying it (even though I was able to copy it to my PC), and how would I know if this might be the case? Or perhaps, am I coding it wrong? This is doubtful, since I tested an image by another artist and it showed up fine.

I wrote to Moody Gallery about the Wk page I created, requesting their permission to use the image, and I never heard back. Because I did write them, I obviously tipped someone off that the Wk page exists and that I wanted to use a particular image from the artist. Again, after reading over the copyright rules, I believe I would not infringe on copyright by displaying it. Thanks for any advice or info. The page would be greatly enhanced by displaying this image of the artist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norlns22 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

The first problem is that in order for images to be displayed on Wikipedia they either have to be uploaded here or to the commons. The second problem is that the rules on wikipedia state that any picture of a living person must be a free image. Just because it has been published on the web in one place, that does not mean that the image is a free image or that the copyright has been released. GB fan 18:47, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

GB fan is right that to be used this would have to be uploaded to Wikipedia and that just because it has been shown on the web does not make it OK for use. But a work of visual art could be used for sourced critical discussion on, for example, a particular technique or school if the use would significantly increase reader understanding. It would be used, however, opposite the sourced discussion not in the infobox. —teb728 t c 19:18, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy responses! I seem to recall that if a work of art belongs to a public collection, and if that institution allows patrons to photograph works of art belonging to them (which Crystal Bridges does), and the image I include is both not to scale and not high resolution, that it would be permissible to include it in the infobox. Indeed, most Wk art pages have images of the artists' works (usually highly representative works) in the infobox. I do discuss the work in the article, so perhaps I will use it there as opposed to the infobox. Thanks for the responses. I appreciate your patience w/ a new user.Norlns22 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:47, 10 December 2011 (UTC).

The image has been tagged for deletion from Commons as it is not a free image. In some cases, non-free works can be uploaded to English Wikipedia but not to Commons. Rmhermen (talk) 22:45, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Rmhermen or anyone else,

Based on the fairly specific criteria I outlined above regarding the image in question, would it be worth my while to attempt to upload the image to English Wk, or should I just not bother since it will be removed from there as well? What's your opinion? Also, I am finding images on other Wk artist pages that seem to fit the same criteria as mine... images of art works currently displayed in public museums that are readily available elsewhere and not shown to scale. Is there any way to trace or backtrack a particular image being used on one of these pages so that I can see exactly where and how it was uploaded? The images I am referring of have been there for quite a while, so obviously they are not glaringly infringing on copyright, or they would have been discovered and removed by now. Perhaps these users used English Wk and/ or a different license tag. On the other hand, the artist I have written about is still living, and I have not found any Wk pages of living artists with any images of actual works. But I am finding *numerous* pages of artists recently deceased (in the past 10 to 15 years) with images of their works in the infobox. The copyright rule about an artist having been for 70 years aside, do copyright rules automatically soften for artists who are no longer living? I have not come across any rule yet where this might be the case, but again, I am finding numerous pages with examples of (recently) deceased artists' works in the infobox, so it seems likely something along these lines is possible. Thanks.

Seeking clarification on copying text from a commercial site without permission

Kamāmalu (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi I am a bit confused about what is okay and not okay regarding copying verbatim from a commercial site. The feature on Wiki entitled Kamamalu features a picture of an oil color copying an earlier litho done in 1824. The oil painting, although not a faithful copy in term of medium, size or colors, seems to fit the criteria Wiki has chosen for acceptable use an public domain. The oil painting, locked away for 70 years, made its first appearance on my web site where we sell antiques.(to make money, buy food, pay employees) Portions of the description of the picture, including the provenance, and other information of commercial value was taken verbatim from my site www.aaawt.com or specifically http://www.aaawt.com/html/gallery18.html without permission or even a courtesy request. Information and some sentences, are exact without variation. Details and provenance would be otherwise unknown, and as the oil painting, despite being in the likeness of an earlier rendition of the same person (Kamamalu) is unique. Was it okay for the writer to lift my item description with permission or giving any credit or a link? As the use significantly diminishes the value of the unique item, is there any precendence on Wiki on how things like this are handled. I have read, re-read, searched, etc, and am only going in circles. I am unable to determine the person who lifted the content, and don't know who or how to approach. To keep this in perspective, when we first secured the painting, we contacted the Iolani Palace to see if there may be interest in adding the painting or information about the painting to their collection. We rarely refuse any public request for the use of pictures or information, yet in this case, we feel violated. If the answer is "too bad", that's okay, but it certainly doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy towards the Wiki spirit or process. Where is the trade off between the right of the public and common courtesy or decency, or even commercial rights for sale of unique items? The picture has now been copied on another site The Dreamstress.com http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=698&tbm=isch&tbnid=FsIbwCR2coVa8M:&imgrefurl=http://thedreamstress.com/tag/hawaii/&docid=VT87DMug-5tfCM&imgurl=http://thedreamstress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Portrait_of_Queen_Kamamalu_c._1824%2525E2%252580%2525931830_by_an_anonymous_artist-368x500.jpg&w=368&h=500&ei=yqnjTsfVCun10gG3odXtBQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=499&vpy=298&dur=9657&hovh=262&hovw=193&tx=123&ty=292&sig=118340225070172660647&page=1&tbnh=146&tbnw=91&start=0&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:18,s:0 by permission of Wiki. Please help me out. Thanks RobMorin — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobMorin (talk • contribs) 19:03, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

We are fierce around here about respecting copyright. Where precisely is the material which is a copyright violation? --Orange Mike | Talk 22:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Unicode subscripts and superscripts needs to be restored to the article namespace

... but it looks like no one short of an administrator has the ability to restore it. Can someone who's a WP admin fix this? Thanks. — ¾-10 20:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

The redirect in article space has only one version; so you or any autoconfirmed user could move it back. —teb728 t c 22:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I moved it back. Rmhermen (talk) 22:41, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Basic Citation Questions

If three sentences in a row draw from the same reference, and no direct quotes are used in any of them, is it allowable or even preferable to cite only the last of the three sentences, or should you cite all three? Also, why do some Wk articles have entire pps w/ no citations, and then a reviewer/ editor will stick a "needs citation" label on a sentence (literally one pp further down from a pp w/ zero citations) that already has three or four citations in it? I guess what I'm curious about, and I realize it's not always black and white, is what criteria do reviewers/ editors go by when deciding to label a sentence with a "needs citation" tag? And how can any pp on Wk fly high w/out a single citation? Is this ever conceivable in a properly cited and referenced article? Thanks. Norlns22 (talk) 22:12, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Our verifiability policy requires all quotations and anything that is "challenged or likely to be challenged" to have an inline citation. That's the practical application of it, although really everything in an article should be sourced and cited. If you have three consecutive sentences without quotes or material that you expect will be challenged, just put a citation at the end of them, if it's the same source. Wikipedia articles that have entire paragraphs with no citations are a problem that should be fixed, but unfortunately there's a backlog in dealing with those. The reason for why we focus on "needs citation" labels is because those are used on material that is likely to be challenged, and that's the most important thing for sourcing. Anything questionable without a citation gets a "needs citation" tag and can be removed. Every article, and paragraph, in Wikipedia should have citations, but unfortunately that's just not the case.--Slon02 (talk) 23:06, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Material does not need a citation if it

• is common knowledge and unlikely to be challenged,
• is not a direct quote, and
• is not a paraphrase.

How likely it is that an entire paragraph can be written without triggering one of the conditions that requires a citation depends on the nature of the article. The more esoteric or controversial subject matter is, the less likely a paragraph will not need a citation. Jc3s5h (talk) 23:16, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norlns22 (talk • contribs) 00:58, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Link to template in article

On Asia Song Festival, under "languages", there's a link to a template on ms-wiki that shouldn't be there (this one). I have tried to remove it, but I can't find any link when I click on "edit this page". I would therefore appreciate it if someone could look into this, because my home wiki is nl-wiki and I'm not really familiar with the technical aspects of en-wiki. Thank you. --ErikvanB (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

• I've noticed there's also a link to a template on Mnet Asian Music Awards, again under "languages". No idea what this is all about. --ErikvanB (talk) 23:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
  • Fixed - Best regards, Taketa (talk) 00:24, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
    • Oh, I see. Thanks! --ErikvanB (talk) 00:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

References to exterior pages

I am editing an article on Joss-Ink. There are references included in the article that should link to exterior pages (eg. BBC or Guardian newspaper). For some reason the reference link does not work correctly but when I copy the URL and paste it to my browser then it finds the correct page. Please can you assist. A kind soul (talk) 23:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

December 11

Additional Info to be included

I was just reading the page on Leslie Tone Cabinets, and some of your info is incomplete. In the "models" section there is a whole series that have been completely left out all together. I have attached a link to the information that is needed to complete the models listing with info...and pictures...

http://www.captain-foldback.com/Leslie_sub/proline3.htm

Wedding performed on top of Devils Tower 1992, Time magazine carried the story

There was a wedding on top of Devil's Tower in 1992. The wedding was performed by the late Justice of the Peace, Ronald E. Waugh, (July 10th 1953 - Aug. 4th, 2008)Time magazine reported it, as did local media, i.e. Sundance Times, Moorcroft Leader, and others. I was once engaged to, and lived with Ron Waugh shortly after this event. I do not recall the names of the couple who were married, or the names of their wedding party. Ron Waugh had never climbed before, so it was quite an event in his very colorful life. He performed numerous weddings around the base of the tower, but to my knowledge, this was the only one ever done on top of the tower. I believe the couple was from Illinois, but I'm not sure. I think this is an event that should appear in the recent history of the Devil's Tower National Monument. Mccattlee (talk) 01:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)