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July 13

Infobox doesn't accept official website template

I'm not sure where to go with this, so I'm starting here. It seems that Template:Infobox toy doesn't work with Template:Official website. See the results of my edit here when I tried to add the website template to the Zhu Zhu Pets article. How can this be remedied? Dismas|^(talk) 02:04, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

There doesn't appear to be anything you can do by changing how you code it, so your only recourse is Template talk:Infobox toy and/or Template talk:Official website. The latter has more watchers and more activity. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:25, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Hrm. Yeah, I didn't think that Infobox Toy had many watchers. I guess I'll try the OW template talk. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 02:31, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

{{Infobox toy}} expects a raw url and adds formatting. {{Official website}} produces an already formatted link. The raw url can be pulled from Wikidata with {{#property:P856}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:39, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Personally, given the small number of eyes on Wikidata entries and the rather haphazard way they are maintained, i won't use {{Official website}}, nor a pull from wikidata either. When i find either I replace them with a proper directly coded URL, and I stronly advise others to do the same. DES ^(talk) 02:47, 13 July 2015 (UTC).

What do you get when large numbers of editors disregard a community consensus because they disagree with it? Chaos. And chaos is what we have. If a template exists in the template namespace, it has community consensus by definition. Anyone is free to try to change a community consensus. ―Mandruss ☎ 03:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Nonsense. Anyone can create a template, that doesn't give it community consensus. Except in those relatively few cases where a wide discussion of a template has been held, and genuine consensus formed, most templates have no particular consensus behind them, they are hand tools which soem editors use, adn others do not. Almost no templates are mandated for use in specific circumstances. No one is required to use the {{Official website}} template. One way to change any consensus it has is to stop using it, and remove it from where it is used. If in a given case that removal is reverted, and discussion upholds the revert, then it has consensus -- on that page. Eventually one might deduce a site-wide consensus, if alllor most such decisions go the same way. But the mere existence of a template only proves that no one has obtained consensus to delete it yet. DES ^(talk) 03:21, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

My understanding is that the correct way to achieve that end is to get explicit consensus for it at Village Pump or the template talk page, and then update the template doc to indicate that it's deprecated. Evangelizing non-use in other talk spaces, in venues not intended for such discussion, is not the way. Anyone can create a template, but it doesn't survive for seven years undeprecated without community consensus. This is the only way I know of to make the community consensus readily accessible to all editors, and, without it, community consensus is a matter of opinion. I'm open to correction by written policy or guideline (or even multiple very experienced editors, in some cases), but sorry if I don't take your word for it because you started with the word "nonsense". ―Mandruss ☎ 03:48, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Most templates are not looked at by most editors most of the time. The mere existence of a template cannot be looked at as evidence that it has wide consensus, particularly when some features of it (The connection with wikidata) have not existed for the full life of the template, and are not well known even to many users of the template. While a site-wide RFC would be one way of establishing consensus to use or not use a template or other feature, incremental decisions by individual editors are also a common way in which such decisions wind up being made. What I felt (and still feel) was "nonsense" was the contention that the mere existence of a template demonstrates consensus for its use and for its current features ("If a template exists in the template namespace, it has community consensus by definition." above). DES ^(talk) 15:16, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I would add that the wikidata connection was added to that template a bit over a year ago, after a discussion at Template talk:Official website#Wikidata which seems to have involved only two editors, hardly a wide consensus. DES ^(talk) 15:22, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

You still haven't explained how "such decisions" are communicated to the masses, so that we're all on the same page. ―Mandruss ☎ 22:47, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

The url can be given directly to {{Official website}} in a parameter (it would still break in {{Infobox toy}}). This will override a url in Wikidata but can cause the hidden category Category:Official website different in Wikidata and Wikipedia or Category:Official website not in Wikidata. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

reflinks link needed

Does anybody have a link to the relinks that works? The one I have doesn't seem to be working: https://tools.wmflabs.org/fengtools/reflinks/. Thanks. SW3 5DL (talk) 03:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Got it, here. Thanks. SW3 5DL (talk) 03:14, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Complete replacement of article

Hi and thank you for your help, An existing article on Wikipedia purports to outline a theory I wrote and have published in a number of reputable journals and books. The theory is well-known in relevant groups, has been cited in research papers on numerous occasions and is used by health professionals and educators. However the description of the theory in the current Wikipedia article, while well-meaning, is woefully inadequate, incorrect in several places, does not mention most of the theory, uses an incorrect title for the theory and is poorly referenced. Numerous people have asked me to correct this article as it is embarrassing to myself and does a disservice to the good reputation of Wikipedia. I have now written an article that gives an accurate and objective account of the theory, includes critiques of the theory by others and a number of references. I have worked hard to integrate many of my publications on the theory, some of which I know are difficult to access in various parts of the world (there are already people waiting to see it up on Wikipedia).

My question is this: it is not possible for me to simply go in and edit the existing article because it is fundamentally flawed in every respect and the sections listed in that article are not appropriate. In other words, I would like to simply replace it with the article I have written. I cannot find anything in the guidance materials that tells me how to do a complete replacement like this although I assume it would require an administrator. I would appreciate your help in this matter. For obvious reasons I have not cited the article here.

203.23.212.158 (talk) 07:49, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

It would be much easier to give a helpful response if you would tell us what article this is about. But in general, a plan to write a completely new version of an article, and replace the current version by it, is doomed to fail. Other editors will restore the version that you don't like. If you believe that there are errors in an article, you should discuss them on the article's talk page. What you need to look for before making sweeping changes to an article is not an administrator, it is consensus of editors. Maproom (talk) 08:04, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

We usually discourage conflict of interest editing, but I can definitely see the reasoning behind your position. It would definitely help if you linked the article you are talking about, and is the article you have written saved on Wikipedia anywhere at the moment (e.g. as a draft)?

Technically speaking, there is no restriction on going into an article and changing every single word in it. The other option, if the content you have written is already on Wikipedia somewhere, is to delete the original page (which would require an administrator) and move the new page to that title (which requires an autoconfirmed account). But just because something is technically possible does not mean it should happen. Article talk pages exist to discuss large changes or conflicts over content and probably should be used to discuss this change, to get consensus. I can think of some other ways to try to help you, but I need to know which article you're talking about. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 09:12, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks - this was helpful. I will do what you suggest - save my article to Wikipedia (not sure yet how to do that but will give it a go) and then provide the information about the existing article. will let you know when I have done this.

202.74.185.90 (talk) 02:07, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I have completed my article draft in my sandbox and am ready to make this available in order for my question to be more effectively answered but not sure how to make it available to you. Appreciate some help with this. Brightfire4 (talk) 05:45, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Reiki page

Reiki (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hello,

I'm not very experienced but do like to contribute.

I would like the "Reiki" page to have more formal moderation. A LOT of information from different contributors got "cleaned out" and several gung-ho Wiki contributors seem keen that no information gets put back on, other than from the paradigm of skeptic medical science or non-applicable linguistics (there's a whole new section about Japanese symbols that are similar to, but not the actual symbols, of Reiki - apart from an interesting side-note on how some people misinterpret the symbols, I don't see how it's applicable). It's quite disheartening.

Reiki is a spiritual tradition and I understand that some see all spiritual topics as nonsense - but that's not the point. Reiki is a human tradition that has just as much right to be described as any other part of human culture. Reiki has a lot of history and knowledge that most practitioners would agree to. Several practitioners had been on the page and were writing bits down and piecing things together. It was lovely. Generally different Reiki lineages don't mix or share knowledge. It was a great example of Wikipedia doing its job. But now, most of this has been deleted. The page seems to have been hijacked by editors who don't know anything about Reiki and are determined that no one should. It's being persecuted!

For example, agreed by most practitioners in America and Australia and England is that Hawayo Takato brought the 3-level Reiki system to America (I've only spoken to maybe 20 in England and America and too many to count in Australia, but most of these people were from different lineages, so, that they concur is a significant indication that a more "Wiki friendly" audit would find similar). This information about Hawayo Takata has been deleted. Why? That at least is easily verifiable. A lazy "clean up" has gotten through.

Information regarding the different lineages of Reiki would be really useful knowledge. There's few "reliable resources" on Reiki. Can't this just be acknowledged at the beginning of the page? Could someone "Reiki friendly" be assigned to watch the page and help Wiki newbies who have good info but low skill safely add their knowledge. I really feel Reiki has gotten a rough deal here.

Another worry is that information that isn't connected to the topic (e.g., the addition of symbol translation of the name - the name of Reiki is widely agreed by practitioners, even from different lineages of the practice, as being slightly different to actual symbols used in Chinese and Japanese language - I can't quote the source on this as my personal material isn't "quotable" and most info on Reiki is passed down teacher to student). It's offensive to get the symbols wrong, as the whole practice is based on the symbols. This can be verified if you talk to any number of practitioners but it would be difficult to find literature on it. Instead, there's over 10 references about the dangers of Reiki as a pseudoscientific healing modality to vulnerable ill people.

Can we make a Reiki page that's a bit more about Reiki? I was about to write a new subheading about Reiki history but thought, why bother, it'll just get deleted.

Please Help!!

TrishApps (talk) 09:18, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Two chunks of text were recently deleted from the article because they had no supporting references. Wikipedia prefers all statements, and particularly all controversial statements, to be supported by citations of reliable published sources. So, while "different Reiki lineages don't mix or share knowledge", they should not expect their beliefs and opinions to be reflected in the article. Maproom (talk) 09:36, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I know nothing about Reiki (although I do have one edit to the page correcting a misspelling in 2013), so come to this as a neutral.
You appear to misunderstand the way Wikipedia works - you, yourself, state "There's few "reliable resources" on Reiki". That is the fundamental problem, not other editors' attitudes.
Wikipedia only includes information that can be verified in published reliable sources. Your last additions were entirely unsourced, and written in an unencyclopedic tone, and so were, quite correctly, removed. Your previous edits were to remove information that was sourced, and so was, quite correctly, reinstated.
If you write a history of Reiki, citing published reliable sources, it cannot simply be dismissed (although there may be some discussion about whether a source is reliable), but to claim "I can't quote the source on this as my personal material isn't "quotable"" is to misunderstand how we work. - Arjayay (talk) 09:45, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I think User:TrishApps may be referring to the many edits in March and April which removed three-quarters of the article, particularly a batch around March 30 and April 1. Rwessel (talk) 09:46, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Arjayay, I should have pointed out the dates for easier reference. As Rwessel said, I am referring to the March/April cull. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrishApps (talk • contribs) 09:56, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

The March/April deletions were made by SummerPhD, with edit summaries such as "not reliable sources, see talk" and "unsourced". I am sure her reasoning still applies. Maproom (talk) 10:30, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

hi you should look at Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_(medicine). thank you --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:57, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

and also WP:FRINGE - we present non scientific clap trap as non scientific clap trap - we dont present its unproven and disproven claims as if they had any basis in reality. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:26, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

The original poster said that they would like the article to have "more formal moderation". It is possible to request lightweight moderated discussion at the dispute resolution noticeboard or formal mediation at requests for mediation. However, either of those moderation processes are voluntary. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:00, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

No amount of mediation can exempt an article from WP:RS, so there's really nothing to discuss. If proponents of Reiki want material such as history to be included in the WP article then it is up to them to see to it that such histories are written and published in independent reliable sources. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:33, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

BROWNY IFEANYI IGBOEGWU AKA AGBALANZE

Draft article

Browny Ifeanyi Igboegwu aka Agbalanze was born on August 30th 1976 in Onitsha (The business hive of West Africa) Anambra state to Late Ide F.M.C Igboegwu KSM (Knight of Saint Mulumba) and Lady Augustina Igboegwu. He had secondary school education at the prestigious All Hallow Seminary Onitsha. He went on to further and is a Graduate of University Nigeria Nsukka UNN, Enugu State in Public Administration Right from the cradle, his love for movies has been close to his heart and that is why in 2005, he decided to take the plunge from the business industry to the Movie industry. In 2009, he met his heartthrob, Becky and they got married in a colourful wedding in 2010 in Asaba, Nigeria’s Nollywood capital The popular saying that talent makes a way for the man has been so true in his life that he has featured in various blockbuster movies well loved by Nigerians and Africans at large like Bank job, Agwumba, Okuko, Days of Sorrow, The University, Strike Force, Agony in the temple, Heart of love, Royal Pain, Eye of the eagle, Silent war, a latest blockbuster, Sons of gods and a host of others He is also the Anambra state chapter chairman of the Actors Guild of Nigeria and the executive National Secretary, Conference of chairmen, Actors Guild of Nigeria where he uses his deep understanding of the movie terrain to provide authentic and purposeful leadership. AWARDS He has received numerous awards within and outside the country from his alma mata to various organizations both small and big, within and outside the movie circle to celebrate his outstanding achievements and his strides towards the continued sustenance and progress of the Nollywood movie industry in Nigeria. 2013 City People Award, Best Supporting Actor (English) 2012 Dream foundation’s outstanding media personality award PHILANTHROPY Interested in children welfare and he is the head of the board of trustees for Brownbourg foundation of his Brownbourg Koncept media agency. His activities include visiting of various orphanages almost monthly and handing out relief materials. His recent visits were to the Divine mercy orphanage and Anglican orphanage both in Asaba, the Delta state capital and home of Nollywood. Also, he has a project called, Street to Star project with is foundation dedicated solely to developing new talents in conjunction with other professional movie academy’s spread across the length and breadth of the country.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Barajoeburns (talk • contribs) 10:11, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Barajoeburns. This is not the place to write a draft article: please read your first article, and I suggest you use the article wizard to create your draft. Please note that everything in a Wikipedia article should be cited to a reliable published source, and almost everything should be cited to what somebody who has nothing to do with the subject has written. You need to find places where people unconnected with Agbalanze have written about him, and had their writing pubished in reliable sources such as major newspapers or books from reliable publishers. If there are no such sources, then it is impossible to write an acceptable article about him at present. --ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

How do I set up a page?

My name is Terry and I would like to set up a page for an actor in Nigeria — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barajoeburns (talk • contribs) 10:16, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Terry: please see my reply to your draft just above. Please also note that setting up a page is not what happens in Wikipedia - it sounds as if you are thinking in terms of a social media site or directory. What we do in Wikipedia is to write neutral articles about notable subjects, based on what independent people have already written about them. Promotion of any kind is forbidden. --ColinFine (talk) 10:46, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

See also:

• Wikipedia:WELCOME
• Wikipedia:Tutorial
• Wikipedia:How to write a great article

and then

• Wikipedia:Notability
  • Wikipedia:Notability (people)
    • Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons

Of course do not skip reading a welcome message, which user TheRedPenOfDoom left on your talk page.

--CiaPan (talk) 11:28, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Royal Tank Regiment Tactical recognition flash

The Tactical Recognition flash shown on the Royal Tank regiment page is reversed the colours should be brown red green from left to right how can it be changed. i am the regimental Secretary for the RTR and would appreciate it if it was correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.167.181.181 (talk) 12:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

[1] seems to support you. File:Royal Tank Regiment (tactical recognition flash).PNG was uploaded by User:Hammersfan in 2006. The user is still active (edited 18 minutes ago) and will get a notification of this post. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:29, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

This has now been changed Hammersfan (talk) 12:33, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Wow, that was fast to upload a new image. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Check date values in: |param1=, |param2=, ...

Hello,

After a recent edit to improve a citation over at Mari Alkatiri (diff) I got a malformed accessdate error for the date "July 13 2015". It referred me to Help:CS1_errors#bad_date which was not entirely helpful.

I couldn't determine what was wrong so I went and looked at the code at Module:Citation/CS1/Date validation. The documentation for the Lua formatDate function (here) tells us that it works the same way as the {{#time}} function (documentation here). But when in my sandbox I tried {{#time:U|July 13 2015}} and

{{#time:U|today + 2 days}} it gave me 1436745600 and 1436918400, respectively, and no errors -- and these timestamps should satisfy the

979516800 <= access_ts and access_ts < tomorrow_ts

check in the code, which makes it seem impossible that this should be an invalid access date.

In a less technical sense I also don't see how "July 13 2015" could possibly be malformed. Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks in advance Eniagrom (talk) 13:04, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I believe that it should be 13 July 2015 instead of July 13 2015 as the month always comes after the date in the accessdate parameter. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 13:12, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

@The Average Wikipedian:: There is no requirement to use DMY dates in |accessdate=. If you know of someplace where such a requirement is voiced, please tell us so that we can fix it.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:46, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Acceptable formats include "13 July 2015", "July 13, 2015" and "2015-07-15" but not "July 13 2015". DES ^(talk) 15:06, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

July 13 2015 is missing a required comma per MOS:DATEFORMAT.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:17, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) July 13, 2015 with a comma is allowed. Help:CS1 errors#bad date includes: "date formats listed in WP:BADDATEFORMAT". Below is one of the examples there. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:19, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Unacceptable date formats (except in external titles and quotes)

Acceptable	Unacceptable	Comments
July 3, 2001	July 3 2001	Comma required between day and year

Thanks guys, this is a case of me overcomplicating something that was in fact simple. I appreciate it. Eniagrom (talk) 13:21, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

"Further reading" But what happens to the documents?

While reading up on the Social Enterprise page, I went to click on some of the links listed for Further Reading. I was saddened to find that many of the documents no longer exist to the link. Why can't these pages forever exist in Wikipedia when they perhaps disappear or are relocated in their reference sites? The internet is ever changing, but I thought Wiki(corporations) were able to collect history in that way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.210.223.200 (talk) 15:52, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're talking about. All of the external links in the Social enterprise article seem to be working. That said, if you stumble accross one that doesn't work you can always tag it for attention with and check the Wayback Machine at the Internet Archive for an archived version. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

To answer the more generic question, Wikipedia does not copy pages from other websites, because almost all are copyright, and that would be a copyright violation.
Furthermore, many external links are to regularly updated sites - would we want to keep an outdated copy, even if a site was not copyright? There are, however, archives, such as the Wayback Machine which may be able to help you, although most such archives store page by page and many internal links do not work.
Unlike references, which we keep, even if the original document has gone (see LINKROT), dead External Links should be removed, if you cannot find the new address of the organization. - Arjayay (talk) 16:16, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Bing Translator rejects all Wikipedia pages (also Google)

Bing Translator won't work on any Wikipedia page. You get a message such as "translation of insecure pages is not supported". Is there a workaround? I do NOT mean copy and paste the text into a box. I already know how to do that. I mean where you paste in the URL and then the translator shows you the entire web page so everything looks like the normal original page except the words have been translated.

For many https websites you can paste in the URL, then go in and delete the "s" after "http", click 'translate' and it'll work, but not on Wikipedia.

The "URL" method is far superior than copy-and-pasting the text because you can navigate through the entire site in translation (on most sites); see all the images; keep all the formatting (impossibly garbled in text-only); don't have a word-count limit; multiple layout options (Bing only)... these are huge benefits.

This is on Internet Explorer 11 and Firefox 28 in Windows 7.

Google SOMETIMES works and sometimes not. For me that's moot since Bing has hugely useful features that Google lacks and which I use for hours daily (mainly, side-by-side windows). It's random. Sometimes it works and you get a message saying "Translated in Safe Mode. This may cause problems with some websites, especially those that use plugins like Flash" but sometimes it doesn't work at all. At one point people said Google was testing the Safe Mode for some users but not everyone, which corroborates my irregular experiences: http://webscripts.softpedia.com/blog/Google-Translate-Is-Testing-a-Mysterious-quot-Safe-Mode-quot-374785.shtml — Preceding unsigned comment added by Auenwald (talk • contribs) 16:05, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

It works for me (Chrome v.43 under Windows 7, in case that makes a difference) - I put the URL of the Help Desk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk in the left-hand box in Google translate, select Italian as the target language, click on the link that appears in the right-hand box, and it takes me to the Help desk translated in to Italian, with working links that take me the translated versions of other pages. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 16:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Google works for me, too (Internet Explorer 11, Windows 7). I translated the Huzzah Creek article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huzzah_Creek) into German. Deor (talk) 16:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

On the other hand, Bing reports that "translation of secure pages is not supported". AndrewWTaylor (talk) 17:14, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I expanded the original post with further details such as browsers tested. (Did I format this reply right? it's my first time in the forum.) Auenwald (talk) 17:56, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

If there are replies then we dont edit the original post but post new information below the replies, with an extra colon in front to increase the indentation level. Spaces at the start of a line cause special formatting so you shouldn't have added a space before "Preceding unsigned comment ..." Apart from that it looks OK. Google Translate works for me on https in Firefox 39.0 on Windows Vista. What do you see on the above links the Help desk translated in to Italian and German? They look fine to me (ignoring poor language skills in German and none in Italian). Can you update Firefox? Bing Translator doesn't support https and there is no http version of Wikipedia (there was until recently) so use Google Translate instead. Wikipedia redirects http to https and Google Translate can handle the redirect so it's possible to enter http for Wikipedia, but you get a tanslation of https. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:22, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Please see main post - I answered most of your questions in edits before I saw the reply.

So the next question is why "http" no longer works for Wikipedia when it used to? I don't understand the rationale in making a website less usable than it was before.

I asked at Bing why they can't translate https while Google can (10 days ago) and got zero replies. Auenwald (talk) 18:32, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Only supporting https has pros and cons. See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 138#HTTPS by default for a discussion, but it's an archived page so don't post new comments there. It's still possible to comment at https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/12/securing-wikimedia-sites-with-https/. I don't know who reads the comments. I haven't seen the Bing Translator issue mentioned before. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:41, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

It explicitly states on the Bing Translate help page "To protect your privacy, Translator does not translate https sites and sites that require login information." Nanonic (talk) 18:30, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

"To protect your privacy" - that statement is pure disinformation, devoid of any meaning. What privacy? How? How, specifically, does translating harm privacy? In what ways is translating a website different from viewing websites? - These are few of the questions that would need to be explicitly answered in order for "protect your privacy" to be a productive piece of information.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Auenwald (talk • contribs)

I'm not going to say I fully agree with the policy, but this does inherently give the translating web site access to the contents of the (supposedly) secure page, so it's no longer actually secure, even if you get the little "lock" symbol in your browser (because that's going to be driven by the secure connection to Bing). To what extent this is a problem I can't say, but I think limiting the restriction to places requiring a login would seem a reasonable compromise. Rwessel (talk) 18:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

The connection to Bing Translator is not secure. The privacy statement is by Bing/Microsoft and not Wikipedia. I don't know exactly what they have in mind but it could for example include that third parties with access to the traffic between you and Bing can see pages you have viewed and been interested enough to request translation. In an oppressive country that might cause you problems. And in some sites a url may contain a query part which reveals something about you. There could also be issues if people enter passwords or personal information to a site in Bing's translated and unencrypted version instead of the original site. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

how can i edit spelling error in display page heading/title?

Edward Laroque Tinker page header contains a spelling error. His middle name is spelled Larocque. I tried edit feature, but it allows edits only to text not to display header/title.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.193.196.62 (talk • contribs)

@69.193.196.62: To change the article name, you would need to move the page, but this requires having an account that's at least 4 days old, and has at least 10 edits. I've moved the page for you, it now exists at Edward Larocque Tinker. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:30, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Infobox align problem

Why the alignment in the templates has spoilt (templates such as Template:Panathinaikos sections) --Odythal (talk) 17:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Please describe the perceived problem and name your browser. Template:Panathinaikos sections looks OK to me in Firefox but I haven't seen the template before and don't know whether anything has changed. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

It looks fine for me in Chrome. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 18:05, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Looks fine for me too though it would look better, IMO, if the title were centered and the icons were centered over the text descriptions. Dismas|^(talk) 18:40, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't align the words and the icons in the center. The tag align:center doesn't work. It happens to all similar templates, for example: Template:AEK Athens sections, Template:Aris Thessaloniki sections. Few days ago they were OK --Odythal (talk) 22:26, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

This is apparently caused by [2], discussed at MediaWiki talk:Common.css#Alignment of infobox labels. I'm not good with CSS but the current solution appears to be either to not use class="infobox" or to add center code to each cell. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:27, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Nacra

The info on Nacra , is completely wrong .

1. Nacra was founded by Tom Roland
The Nacra 36 was designed & built only by Tom roland
 Same with the Nacra 5.2 . The sq.meter class and boat were Fred roland 100%
After Tom Roland sold the Nacra name ( not the 36 or rights to build )
That came up with the Nacra 5.8 for the sole purpose of no longer paying desire rights

Per unit on the 5.2

  For more info ! Like the facts.     — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.225.69.92 (talk) 19:26, 13 July 2015 (UTC) 

Wikipedia requires published sources for new information. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:40, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Template contains useless redlinks that can never be created

Template:Navies in Africa contains redlinks for countries that by the fact that they are landlocked and have no significant lakes cannot and will never have a navy. However the template itself doesn't contain an actual list of countries so how can one remove the useless redlinks for countries such as Lesotho, Chad, Botswana, etc? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:06, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

It uses the general {{African topic}} to make a navbox with all African countries. Similar templates for some other continents have options to omit selected countries but apparently not Africa. You could drop the use of {{African topic}} and instead manually add piped links for each wanted country to an ordinary {{Navbox}}. If you haven't made a navbox before then this may be difficult. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:48, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Surely it would be better to fix the African topic template so that countries can be omitted, the same as the other continents? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 05:34, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes. I don't know how often it's relevant but you can post a suggestion to Template talk:African topic, or try to do it yourself. I guess you just have to wrap each country line in {{#if:{{{CC|♦}}}|...}} like Template:Asia topic, where CC is the country code already in the line. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:16, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Request edit

{{request edit}} Hope this finds you well. I’ve been trying to get to an appropriate contact at Wikipedia to change a client’s Date of Birth. It’s been difficult to change due to the new policies, if there is any way of pointing me in the right direction that would be great!

Most press gets their info from her Wikipedia page and her DOB is wrong in all articles on her. Would be great to change from 1984 to 1985. We have a book releasing at the end of the month and would be great to change before next week! Rosanna Pansino

Proof: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3662971/

Thank you in advance for any help you are able to offer on this!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.200.76.2 (talk)

IMDB is not a reliable source for Wikipedia purposes. Do you have a better source? Also note that there are no deadlines on Wikipedia. Finally, have you declared your conflict of interest as required by the terms of use?--ukexpat (talk) 20:39, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

But to answer your specific question: neither the date appearing in the article, nor the date you are mentioning, appears to be sourced to a reliable independent published source; so I see that FreeRangeFrog has very properly removed it. --ColinFine (talk) 20:57, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Note this is being handled through OTRS, I replied to the original edit request on the talk page just to remove it from the category. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 20:59, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

How to edit

Hi there Im from the Otahuhu leopards committee and Im trying edit a generated wiki Facebook page with wrong information on it.

Im an amateur on here and when I go to edit, nothing happens -Please help - The information incorrect and it is of great concern to our club. The link is below - PLEASE HELP - THANK YOU!!

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Otahuhu-Leopards/142640812420185#

csmatamua 23:39, 13 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csmatamua (talk • contribs)

@Csmatamua: We have no connection to Facebook. They are allowed to use Wikipedia content as much as anyone else and we can't control exactly how they do that. You'll have to take your complaint to them about what is shown on their pages. If you have an issue with the information on the Otahuhu Leopards article, then please either edit the article yourself or explain on the article's talk page, Talk:Otahuhu Leopards just what is wrong with it. Dismas|^(talk) 02:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

The user has already made 20 edits including 8 self-reverts. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:53, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

July 14

unable to copy math symbols

Whenever I try to copy equations from wiki articles, the equations either disappear or the entire article turns into gibberish. I have tried to copy as pictures and then cut and paste but nothing seems to work. I have been using Word and wordpad. thanks for a lot of good information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.15.122.165 (talk) 00:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Could you provide an example of an equation you tried to copy? What type of program did you attempt to paste it into? The equations I've seen on Wikipedia are generated as images using a LaTeX plugin for MediaWiki. I wouldn't imagine copying an image like that would be very difficult. Scarce2 (talk) 05:30, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

This might be a better question for the computing reference desk where they would discuss how it relates to your computer rather than wikipedia. RJFJR (talk) 15:36, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

video

how do i find video files? mutimedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.168.251.105 (talk) 00:07, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Does commons:Category:Videos help? Scarce2 (talk) 05:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Autocomplete edit summaries

If you use Internet Explorer 10 or below, there is no longer any autocomplete of previous edit summaries with https. You can either switch to another browser or install Internet Explorer 11. If you use Windows 8, you can update to Windows 8.1. If you use Windows 7 SP1, you can install Internet Explorer 11. If you use Windows 7 without SP1, you can install SP1 first and then Internet Explorer 11. If you use Windows Vista, you will be forced to either switch to another browser or upgrade to a more modern version of Windows. Windows XP ended support on April 8, 2014, so discontinue using Windows XP. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:52, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Have you got a question about using Wikipedia, GeoffreyT2000? You might like to look at WP:Browser notes, and perhaps contribute to it if your information is not already there. --ColinFine (talk) 08:50, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Police perjury

I screwed up with my latest edit and was not signed in. I would appreciate someone revdel my IP address. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:53, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Done. It can still be seen by admins. See Wikipedia:Requests for oversight if you want to avoid that. The page also has an email address which can be used to avoid drawing attention. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:10, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Permanently disable input tools

How can I permanently disable "input tools" or change to "use native keyboard"? --Tito Dutta (talk) 06:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the system. Does mw:Universal Language Selector/FAQ#I have a keyboard on my computer and I do not want to use the keyboard in ULS. Can I disable the ULS keyboard completely help? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:22, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

• Yes PrimeHunter, but everytime I refresh the page, it again goes to ULS mode and I can not use punctuations there. So, I want to permanently disable it. --Tito Dutta (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Changing the title of my post

I need to change the title of my post Larryesbee/sandbox/BackAnd as an Application Cloud service for Angular Users, or to remove this post entirely and start again. How do I do this? Please help. I seem to be going around in circles on this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Larryesbee (talk • contribs) 08:18, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

@Larryesbee: What you want to do is called moving a page. Look for "More" to the left of the search box at the top of the page you want to move. Click it, then click "Move". ―Mandruss ☎ 08:32, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Vaseline help

Hello,

I left a comment on the Talk:Vaseline page. It was regarding the Vaseline brand contributing sources and information for Wikipedia editors to review and consider publishing on the Vaseline Wikipedia page:

“I've detailed my conflict of interest over on my user page. Vaseline would like to help by providing reliable citations for this article, and help with any additional page content where we can. Particularly we can help with any historical references, such as with http://www.vaseline.us/article/vaseline-history.html and delineate the brand’s name globally. We'd also be able to provide sources for any new sections such as productions and usage."

I was wondering if the Talk page had been noticed? Is there anything I can do to help with the process of a brand assisting on the Wikipedia page?

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnB0207 (talk • contribs) 09:07, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Your question has been answered on the talk page. In the future you can use {{Request edit}} to draw attention to an edit request.--ukexpat (talk) 12:10, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

LAWRENCE E. STAGER

Good Morning! What is the full name of Lawrence E. Stager? What name is the E.? Thanks... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.32.24.254 (talk) 09:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. This page is for help with editing Wikipedia, so your question is not appropriate here. However (since our article Lawrence Stager does not give the answer), I suggest you ask the question again at our Reference Desk, and somebody there may know where to find the answer. --ColinFine (talk) 13:10, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Need Help on a local wiki's template

I am a major contributor of a local wiki. I would highly appreciate if anyone could help me on the geo coord template on my wiki. Anyone willing to help, please contact me. Also i have left a message on the talk page of coord template talk page. Regards, --Glacious (talk) 10:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

For clarity, by "a local wiki", Glacious seems to mean "another language Wikipedia". They are trying to transfer the template to dv.wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 12:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Reliable source for a biography about me

Dear Sirs,

I created a page about myself where I was informed to insert a reliable source. Being a published author I inserted a reliable source via reference about the page where the publishing company Morgan James Publishing has my book on their website, as well as the link to my book also on Amazon.

However the message remains that my account doesn't have a reliable source. What should I do and are the sources which I provided considered reliable? If not, what is a reliable source for a biography for a person that doesn't have anything published about them except their book?

Thank You Joyce E. Rayess — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joyfoux (talk • contribs) 13:47, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Neither of those sources are sufficient to demonstrate that you meet our notability guidelines. We need references from independent, third party sources that discuss you and your work. But to be blunt, most people who have had one or two books published are not notable. If those books become best sellers, they may be.--ukexpat (talk) 13:56, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) What Wikipedia needs are sources independent of the subject. I'm sorry to be blunt about it, but if you don't have anything published about you except your own book, then you are not notable in Wikipedia's definition, so the article cannot exist. If in future you receive significant coverage in independent published reliable sources, then someone else can write a Wikipedia article about you. You should not do so yourself, see Wikipedia's guidance regarding conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:58, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Fyi, this is Joyce el rayess (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) DES ^(talk) 14:18, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I create a wiki for Calum Scott, but got a warn.

To whom it may concern: Hi~I am a Taiwanese. My English is poor... I am trying to create a wiki for Calum Scott(Calum Scott), but got the following error message. (The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for music. Please help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted.) I had tried to modify and edit the content, but it doesn't work. I am just wondering can you tell me how to remove it? Thanks for your help!!

Sincerely, Baki Cheng — Preceding unsigned comment added by BakiCheng (talk • contribs) 16:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

It is not error message. It is a tag, which was added for notability issues. You and anyone can remove it if there are enough reliable sources to establish notability according to wikipedia guidelines. You have to remove {{notability|Music|date=July 2015}} from the top to remove the tag. Supdiop (Talk🔹Contribs) 16:58, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Strange categories appearing

I've just reverted a couple of edits here on Mortal Kombat 3 back to a previous version, and when I did so I noticed that the rollback page - where it asks for an edit summary - included two redlinked categories - "Kardashians" and "Pornographic films"

After the revert was complete I went into the page to remove these cats, but they aren't there where cats should be, and a search of the page doesn't reveal anywhere else they may be. I definitely saw them though - how could that be? Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:27, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

It looks like those categories were in the version full of vandalism that you reverted from; not the new version you reverted to. Just part of the nonsense you were fixing. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:37, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

D'oh! Obvious, but I never thought of that! Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:02, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Searching for Wikipedia article titles that contain a specific word

Is there any way that one can search for Wikipedia articles that contain a specific word in their title? In other words, let's say that I would like to see a list of all Wikipedia articles that contain the word "Obama" (or whatever word) in their title. Is this able to be done? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:27, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Use intitle:Obama. See more about searching at Help:searching. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:42, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm confused. Use that where exactly? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:13, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

In the search box. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:18, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Hmmmmm. I see. That's not really what I wanted. I guess my original question wasn't clear. What I'd like is a list (one that I can, say, copy-and-paste). For example, if you go to the far left-hand side of this page, there is a link that says "What links here". If you click that link, you get a list of articles. I was essentially asking if there is a list that generates like that. Hope this question makes sense. For example, when I conduct a search (as you had suggested), I just get a bunch of search results. But, I can't copy-and-paste those results (in the same way that I can with the "What links here" results). Also, if you click a "category" in Wikipedia, you get a list of article in that category. I am looking for something along those lines: a list, not simply search results (if that makes sense). Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:27, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Help:Searching#Other search tools includes Article title search. It can be very slow or time out. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:32, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:08, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

Your first edit to Somerton, Philadelphia inserted empty <ref></ref> tags, generating an error message. I have removed them. Maproom (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Rename article

I need to rename an article, but can't see how to do it. The article is 'Saint Paul's Cathedral, Wellington'. We are making an effort to ensure that the cathedral is correctly identified in publicity material etc - our operating name is 'Wellington Cathedral of St Paul', not 'Saint Paul's Cathedral'. Can you please advise how to make this change? Many thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rapperley (talk • contribs) 23:08, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

A page's name is changed by "moving" it. Under the Page menu there should be an option: Move page. However, please post to the talk page first a link to (or a cite to if not online) a reliable source showing the desired name. Also note that Wikipedia uses a subjects most common English-language name which may not be the same as its official name. Note also that Wikipedia articles should not be used for publicity purposes, that is to promote the subject (or anything else). Distributing copies of a Wikipedia article is of course just fine, provided that they are properly attributed. DES ^(talk) 23:25, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I see that this has now been done. The article reads in parts rather too much like a publicity release, but I expect that this can easily be corrected. Dbfirs 07:28, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

July 15

Language codes

The doc for Template:Lang begins

The purpose of this template is to indicate, via a code, that a span of text belongs to a particular language.

That's very nice, but if you follow the link you get a stub that discusses the issues of classification and coding and lists eight systems of assigning language codes, but gives no clue as to which system to use for Template:Lang. How in Hades is an editor to find the code to use for a language? Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 03:44, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

@Thnidu: They're just ISO 639-1 codes. For the most part, they are usually intuitive. For example, English is en, Spanish is es (for español), etc. You can also just look up the language's Wikipedia article and look in the infobox. For example, if we head over to Greek language and look in the infobox, we see "ISO 639-1" under "Language codes", where it reads el (for ελληνικά, elliniká). Scarce2 (talk) 05:57, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

@Scarce2: Thank you, but that's not quite the answer. For one thing, ISO 639-1 is hardly comprehensive: that's why 639-2 and -3 were developed. For another, many are far from intuitive, even for me, a research linguist. Malaysian is ms, Armenian hy, Egyptian Arabic arz (ISO 639-3), Cantonese zh-yue (not ISO or any other standard, but improvised out of necessity; see Cantonese Wikipedia#Naming).

Most of all, I was complaining about the documentation page's dismal failure to tell a user how to find the code for a given language. I will insert your suggestion about the Wikipedia infobox; that seems to be the simplest and most comprehensive solution. --Thnidu (talk) 14:23, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Redrose64 has taken care of it: Template talk:Lang#Which codes here? --Thnidu (talk) 14:54, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Maria Montessori was not only 2 professions but 3 !

3) inventor of new educational free system and therefor also an FEMALE INVENTOR !! SHE HAD NOT 2 BUT 3 PROFESSIONS. IN THE WIKIPEDIA SAYS FEMALES CANNOT BE AN INVENTOR IN THE 19TH CENTURY?! MARIA MONTESSORI WAS 1) A WELLKNOWN MEDICAL DOCTOR IN ITALY. 2) OWNER OF THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL SYSTEM 3) INVENTOR OF THE NEW FREE INDEPENDENT CREATIVE SELFDEPEND MONGOL AND NORMAL SCHOOLCHILDREN AND STUDENTS.yOU HAVE TO ADD HER THIRD PROFESSION AS WELL AN NOT COMMIT DISINFORMATION. SHE HAD NOT ONLY ONE PROFESSION. YOU SAY SHE HAD 2 PROFESSIONS. BUT IN REALITY SHE HAD 3 PROFESSIONS BECAUSE SHE WAS AN FAMOUS INVENTOR AS WELL ! SINCERELY, EMERITUS MAGNIFICUS PROFESSOR DOCTOR DOCTORANDUS IN WORLDPEACESOLUTIONS AND WORDARTIST AND MOST FAMOUS INVENTOR OF THE INTERNET ETC. ETC. AND MOST POPULAR WRITER OF THE 21TH CENTURY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.132.26.224 (talk) 04:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

It appears the article you are talking about is Maria Montessori. Even without an account, you can edit it yourself if you think there is a problem with it, as long as you back up your claims with reliable sources. But she is already in the category "Italian inventors" and no-one is trying to "commit disinformation". — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 07:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

You seem to be having trouble with your CAPS LOCK key. Please don't use capital letters because it is regarded as SHOUTING, so we tend not to listen. The word "profession" does not appear in the article (though "professional" does). Please tell us what information you think is missing. Dbfirs 07:15, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Carrow Abbey and Carrow Road pages

Please help me put a gap between the words "Martineau and Esq." in reference number 10 on the page Carrow Abbey page. Also the spelling of "surgeon" is incorrect in this ref. Also - can you please check why ref. number 15 is not good on the "Carrow Road" page Thanks Mikey — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.149.113.236 (talk) 06:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Carrow Abbey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

(edit conflict) This reference is defined within the "Later history" section of the article. If you edit the whole article and then search for "MartineauEsq" you will see where to edit. The source doesn't use the word "surgeon" at all: "...Abbey and grounds were purchased by Philip M. Martineau, Esq..." -- John of Reading (talk) 06:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Carrow Road (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The Wikipedia standards for formatting dates say that ordinal suffixes such as "th" shouldn't be used. I have changed "15th" to "15" and the error message has disappeared. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:01, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I've replaced the Carrow Abbey cite with the exact text of the original. Dbfirs 07:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Stadium's name and initial construction history

Problem with link

Thanks for your help. I cannot see what I have done wrong - this section (in the Carrow Road page) -Stadium's name and initial construction history - has a faulty link on "Carrow Abbey" (near ref. number 15). Please help me mikey (again) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.149.113.236 (talk) 07:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I have fixed a faulty wikilink to Carrow Abbey. It had two open-square-brackets but only one close-square-bracket. Maproom (talk) 08:12, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

help

we need help as u can for childrens education and for their food .and their protection plzzzz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.187.121.241 (talk) 11:17, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

If you are asking for a donation from the Foundation I am afraid that its charter does not permit it to do so.--ukexpat (talk) 12:25, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Updating a logo

Hi!

I manage digital communications for the Cockrell School of Engineering at The University of Texas at Austin. I need to replace the logo on the right-hand side of this page: Cockrell School of Engineering and I cannot figure out how to do it. Can I get easy step-by-step instructions for deleting and replacing it? I can't find any instructions that make any sense for a simple replacement like this...

Thanks! Adrienne (Wikipedia user: Aml8245) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aml8245 (talk • contribs) 13:45, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

@Am18245: you will need to upload the new logo. In the left sidbar is a link that says "Upload file". If you click on it you will be taken to the Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard which will take you step by step through locating the new file on your computer and uploading it to Wikipedia. When you get to step 3 of the upload process, you will want to select, "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." I suggest that while you upload the file you keep File:Cockrell School of Engineering logo.png open in another tab so that you can copy and paste the fair use rationale from that into the new one. Once you have uploaded the new image, you'll want to replace |image = File:Cockrell School of Engineering logo.png with |image = File:NAME OF NEW IMAGE YOU UPLOADED. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 13:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Since my account is not yet confirmed, should I just upload to the Commons? Aml8245 (talk) 14:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

@Aml8245: No, you should never upload copyrighted materials to the Commons, it will be immediately deleted. You should instead request for it to be uploaded at Wikipedia:Files for upload. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:07, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Or you can e-mail it to photosubmission[@]wikimedia.org (removing the square brackets first).--ukexpat (talk) 14:47, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Charles Wood 3rd Earl of Halifax

A page about my father keeps having incorrect information entered and my details took out. My name is David Peter Wood and Charles Wood is my father. The Peerage website incorrectly states my mother is called Wendy Agnes Wentworth Fitzwilliam which she isn't, she's Wendy Agnes Blackwood on my birth certificate. Yesterday I was totally taken off my fathers page which upset my. Do I need to attach my birth certificate to stop this again? Many thanks D P Wood — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.255.234.90 (talk) 15:48, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

It is clear that this person is violating rules and policies of the Wikipedia as he submits information in his own interest and his own behalf attempting to tie himself to the Wood family lacking any subjectivity. This user vandalised article numerous times with his false submissions. This person is clearly submitting false/incorrect information about his relationship to The Rt Hon The Earl of Halifax, he submits information with has absolutely no reliable sources but one that refers itself to the Wikipedia article for Charles Wood, 3rd Earl of Halifax. See talk page for the article Talk:Charles Wood, 3rd Earl of Halifax, check article's history of falsification by various false contributors who submit incorrect information to the article and try to deceive members of Wikipedia and the members of public about their alleged relationship to the Earl and his noble family. There is no record in reliable sources such as Debrett's, Burke’s Peerage, etc or other public records about this person and his family ties to the Earl and his family.Peeragegb (talk) 17:12, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

You need to provide a reference to a published source for the correct information. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:53, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Such as what, for example? DPW — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.255.234.90 (talk) 15:56, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Burke's Peerage perhaps, or Debrett's, or a newspaper or magazine article, or a published biography in which the people are refereed to and the proper relationships laid out. Actually, as this is presumably a non-contentious fact, even a personal web site from each of the people involved would so, see WP:SELFPUB and WP:PRIMARY. I see that the "Peerage website" is sourced to Wikipedia, so using that would be a case of citeogenesis. DES ^(talk) 16:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Take a look at This Link for more information and examples of what is considered a reliable source. Basically, scholarly and news sources are the best options. They need to have been published in publications with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy. If a newspaper or magazine has done a profile of your family, for example, that is a source you can use. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:29, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

There's a discussion about unreliable/circular references in this article, see Talk:Charles Wood, 3rd Earl of Halifax. Basically, peerage.com isn't reliable, because it cites Wikipedia, which isn't a reliable source. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:35, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

The article in question is Charles Wood, 3rd Earl of Halifax. If there really is an error in the Peerage, then the OP should submit their birth certificate to the Peerage, or, better, if the OP really is the son of Lord Halifax, have his father submit the birth certificate to the Peerage. It appears that the information about the OP has been removed from the article as unsourced or inadequately documented. In any case, persons with a questionable claim of relationship to a notable person have no right to be listed due to questionable inherited notability. If the OP wishes to discuss further, he can go to the biographies of living persons noticeboard, being aware that, in uncertain cases, the usual action on biographies of living persons is to omit any questioned information, not to include it. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:06, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for help. I'll have my father submit my birth certificate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.255.234.90 (talk) 17:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Have your father submit your birth certificate to Burke's Peerage or Debrett's, not to peerage.com. Peerage.com is an unreliable source. In the meantime, you can raise your issues at WP:BLPN, but the usual approach in doubtful cases is to exclude, not to include. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:18, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Today, I've received confirmation from The Earl's representatives that this person has no ties to the family. Here is the contact information for the Earl and his representatives [redacted] Peeragegb (talk) 17:34, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Remember that sources need to be published to be used. Direct contact with the Earl is not an admissible source. (I mean, I'm guessing the Earl does not want his phone ringing every time somebody reads his article and wants to verify information.) Along the same lines, I've also redacted the contact information. —C.Fred (talk) 17:52, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

• 90.216.127.117 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 94.197.120.186 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 85.255.233.238 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 94.197.120.186 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), *94.197.121.89 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 94.197.121.241 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log),*94.197.121.195 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) - These IPs vandalised articles numerous times in connection with Charles Wood, 3rd Earl of Halifax, deliberately submitting false, incorrect, unsourced information and they keep submitting after being reverted. These IP's should be blocked or/and reported for sock puppetry. Peeragegb (talk) 14:50, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

You can report sock-puppetry at the sockpuppetry investigation noticeboard. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

David Peter Wood 85.255.234.90 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) claims to be Viscount Halifax, he claims to be the son of Charles Wood, 3rd Earl of Halifax, who also clams to live in Hickleton Hall, however he is not connected to the family, and he is not styled as Viscount Halifax because his name is not on the Roll of the Peerage. Peeragegb (talk) 14:50, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

References

Article Question

Ive never asked a question, but here goes. On an article I was reading on Wikipedia. The info kinda seems a little weird or irrelevant. It's under "Thigh". In the society and culture subject of it. This is what it says. >> "Society and culture[edit] Thanks to our sad, pathetic society, thighs "have" to be so skinny they look like hot dogs, so if thy thighs don't look like hot dogs, you are to be body shamed by our horrible society. Shut up. Being skinny is awesome." << Is this okay for a Wikipedia article or someone just being silly? I personally do not think being "skinny" is awesome. Some people in society see this and that in case makes anorexia or bulimia spiral out of control. Maybe omit this??

Thigh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.118.214.222 (talk) 16:14, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

It was vandalism from yesterday, and I have reverted it. Thank you for pointing it out. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:19, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

What will be the primary topic if an adaptation is more famous than the book itself?

Hello,

If an adaptation of a novel is known and used more widely than the book itself, shouldn't it be considered as the primary topic and possess the base name? In most of the cases, such as The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, Memoirs of a Geisha and A Clockwork Orange it is not the case and the base name belongs to the book, while for fewer cases, such as Forrest Gump, The Graduate, Fight Club and The Godfather it goes for the adaptation. Why does the original novel take the base name in most of the cases even though the adaptation is more known and more probable to be sought by readers? I didn't find any clue in WP:PTOPIC, WP:NCB or WP:NCF. Thanks in advance. Saeidpourbabak (talk) 16:53, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Saeidpourbabak, that becomes a judgement call in each specific case. In many cases a film is more popular for a time, but a book has more enduring interest. Some editors favor the original work unless the adaptation is very much better known. Such questions should be worked out at the relevant article talk pages. One compromise is to decide that there is no clear primary topic, and put a disambiguation page there. As long as hatnotes and dab pages allow readers to find the exact topic they wish easily, i don't think it matters all that much. DES ^(talk) 17:11, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Draft Rewrite of Article - Where and How to Maintain Draft

I have been leading moderated dispute resolution (informal mediation) of an article (Battle of the Alamo) which has been fully protected for six months due to edit-warring. Since six months is a long time for discussion on the talk page alone, so that I would like to propose that a draft article be developed based on any agreement on the talk page. The question is exactly where and how is the best way to maintain a draft that may eventually replace the article. Draft space as such doesn't seem right, because it is normally used for articles that have not yet been promoted to article space, not for revisions that will be moved into article place after consensus is reached. (I can think of other wrong answers also.) Is the user space of one of the contributors appropriate? Also, what should be done in order to preserve the history? The article can be copy-pasted into user space, and then edited. However, then, should it be copy-pasted onto the article, in which case the edit summary would be "replace article with draft as per discussions", or should an administrator be asked to merge the articles by copying the history of the draft into the history of the article? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:14, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

A common method is to create a subpage, such as Battle of the Alamo/Draft. Once there is consensus on whether this is to replace the existing article, the relevant parts of the draft can be copied to the article, and {{copied}} or a similar note used to preserve attribution, or if the draft is to fully or largely replace the article, a history merge can be done by an admin, as you suggest. DES ^(talk) 17:25, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Mainspace doesn't have subpages. "Battle of the Alamo/Draft" would be an article so I have striken it above. Talk:Battle of the Alamo/Draft would be a possible place for a draft. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:39, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

You are quite correct, PrimeHunter, my error. I am sure I had remembered that form. But I see it is sorted now. DES ^(talk) 21:15, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Our Lady of the Angels School fire‎

I sincerely hope this is the right place to ask about this; if it's not, please point me towards the right spot.

The Our Lady of the Angels School fire‎ page has been the grounds for a not-quite-edit-war for a long time now. The issue is that, while the fire's cause was never officially determined, there was a boy who confessed, then recanted, then told someone that the issue was between him and his priest. The boy was underage at the time, so newspapers and such from the timeframe didn't print his name. He was also never charged with anything. In the Investigation section, there's text that a boy confessed, and a judge ruled there was insufficient evidence. IP editors keep adding the boy's name and age at the time; myself and two other editors keep removing it on the grounds that there are no sources cited giving his name (which is true). Complicating the matter is that the guy died in 2004, so to my knowledge, BLP rules no longer apply.

Should the boy's name be included or redacted? He's dead, and as such no longer covered by BLP, but I haven't found any sources listing his name - just that "a boy confessed."

I'm pretty sure I've been doing this right so far, but I was hoping for advice and/or a second opinion about the whole mess. The talkpage has an attempt at discussion, but it didn't really get anywhere.

User:NeilN has placed the page under temporary semi-protection under BLP rules, and one of the IPs has taken exception to that, since the person in question is dead. Is there a better policy that would apply here? I've been defaulting to WP:NOR, since I haven't found any sources with the boy's name.

TL;DR: kid was underage when the fire happened and when he confessed; he was never charged with anything; he died over ten years ago. Name - in or out? Protection reason - BLP or something else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NekoKatsun (talk • contribs) 20:29, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

NekoKatsun, I wasn't aware the accused had died but protection can still easily be justified - "repeated addition of unsourced material". --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:34, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, that's kind of what I'd figured. I wanted to make sure I was doing everything by the numbers, as it were; I'd much rather err on the side of good faith! NekoKatsun (talk) 20:45, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

< Would like to clean this page which has a no footnote on it in Personal Information. I have added more to the name of this person's child. The article David Shuster news person but can't put a footnote number at the bottom of my page. And cannot remove the old information that has deadend no link. The second question is also can not put a hyperlink to my page. Very complicated instruction to alter this information for some reason. I did go step by step but did not end up with my own hyperlink to my info added to his personal information block. > — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icecreamboy6633 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 15 July 2015‎ UTC

Your edit seems to rely on information from a website named FishbowlDC. Can you demonstrate that this is a reliable source, as explained in this guideline? Jc3s5h (talk) 21:06, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

This is David Shuster (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for refernce.

Also consider the implications of WP:BLPNAME and WP:DOB here, before reinstating any of this content. DES ^(talk) 21:45, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

July 16

Removal of reference to business

Please remove all reference to Birds Bees Trees And Things from Wiki Australia. The owner of the business (husband) has passed away. The business is no longer active — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.15.208.23 (talk) 01:17, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

This is the encyclopedia Wikipedia. We are not associated with Wiki Australia at http://www.wikiaustralia.com/. A wiki is just a type of website. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Link to anchor not working

Greetings, keepers of the eternal flame!

I've been trying to make a sort of Table of Contents for Template:Convert/list of units by adding {{anchors}} and linking to them in a {{divbox}}. See also Talk:Convert#Table of contents. However, the #Volume link doesn't appear to work, while all the others do. Any ideas? Or even how to make it look like a proper TOC? I thought of putting an anchor like id=Area in the individual tables such as Template:convert/list of units/area/short list but I can't see how that could be linked to, within the Convert/list of units page itself. Cheers, >MinorProphet (talk) 02:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Volume anchor fixed by [3]. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Brilliant, thank you very much for your swift response. >MinorProphet (talk) 06:32, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

How I can Edit Wikipeida Page

Hello Team

I was trying to edit IT magazine in India .I want to add VARINDIA magazine but de to some reason I am suspended User . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.51.133.132 (talk) 06:58, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Do you have an account on wikipedia? - Supdiop (Talk🔹Contribs) 07:04, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Create a Article for Neeraj Kumar Gupta

Dear Team,

I am not creating a article on Wikipedia created two article's on Wikipedia but all article will be deleted so please help me create a article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artistneeraj (talk • contribs) 07:28, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

You have been given a number of useful links on your user talk page. If you have any specific questions after reading those, please ask. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

support in developing wiki page

i just submitted a wiki page and i am not sure whether it meets the standards or not kindly help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gopikrishnar (talk • contribs) 09:05, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Gopikrishnar: - I fixed a few minor technical issues in Ikix and left you some links to additional information on your talkpage. Assuming the company is notable (see WP:GNG for information), the article looks like a good start. But some of its content, especially in the "History" section, is not written in a formal encyclopedic voice (see WP:NPOV, WP:TONE and MOS:SURNAME) and should be rewritten. Try to remove everything, that is not a neutral, verifiable fact, and summarize the company's history from a completely uninvolved point of view. Personal experiences like the flight journey and reflections like "Often, what is conceived ..." don't belong in the article. GermanJoe (talk) 10:02, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

The article has now been deleted, as "(G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)". It might have been better if you had created it as a draft rather than as an article, so as to give yourself a chance of getting it into an acceptable state before making it into an article. Maproom (talk) 12:45, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

"I Have a Dream" formatting issue

Re: Martin Luther King, Jr.#March on Washington, 1963 (scroll down)

In my maximized Firefox window, part of the speech text overruns the {{Listen}} box. This is pretty tacky presentation, especially for something that important. Does anyone else see this? Any solution? Should this go to WP:VPT instead? ―Mandruss ☎ 11:35, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

After MinorProphet tried a few things (thank you) that didn't work, I moved the {{Listen}} box down so it is no longer adjacent to the text. This prevents the overrun, but it's not an ideal solution (and it sidesteps the technical issue). Other ideas welcome. For convenience, the "before" revision is here. ―Mandruss ☎ 14:02, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

if you could make a screenshot and upload that to phabricator, that would be very helpful. Also what exact version of Firefox are you using ? —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:23, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

@TheDJ: Firefox 39.0. Screenshot ―Mandruss ☎ 17:04, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

This is caused by the overflow: auto; declaration on line 9 of MediaWiki:Common.css, which was added to "avoid collision of background with floating elements", whatever that means. Alakzi (talk) 17:17, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

And, by the way, Alakzi fixed the article (thank you) in this edit, converting the blockquote to a {{Quote}}/poem combination. The blockquote issue remains, although obviously less important to me now. ―Mandruss ☎ 17:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Blockquote is often used with a background color, and without overflow:hidden, that background will stretch the entire width of the page (stretching behind infoboxes and images), which is usually not what you want. Actually this problem that you are seeing is possible in many forms, and is primarily caused by stacking floating elements of differing width on top of eachother and 'restarting' the page flow with a header, a left floating element, or in this case something with overflow:hidden. BTW, i don't know who ever came up with the poem hack, but it's terrible and should be forbidden. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 20:17, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I've only used <poem>...</poem> to fix the paragraph markup; it is unrelated to the issue at hand. Alakzi (talk) 23:44, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't begin to understand that, but I'll take from this that blockquote should be avoided, and converted to {{Quote}} when seen, if that yields similar results, even where no problem is currently apparent to me. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:26, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

To clarify, what fixed was the inline overflow: initial; rule; <blockquote style="overflow: initial;">...</blockquote> would've had the same effect. {{Quote}} and <poem>...</poem> are both irrelevant. Alakzi (talk) 10:15, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Verified by sandboxing. Nevertheless, {{Quote}} does eliminate the problem, is easier to remember, and avoids the need to code CSS in articles. I wouldn't call that irrelevant, exactly. ―Mandruss ☎ 10:48, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

{{Quote}} on its own does not eliminate the problem; I'd applied the same styling rule to it. Alakzi (talk) 10:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

So you did. In that case, this sucks. If this is the best we can do, I'll take it to VPT. The average editor should not have to code CSS to make layout work. It can be used to improve things such as some tables, but things shouldn't be broken without it. ―Mandruss ☎ 10:59, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

:::::I watched the Eagle landing live on TV, at boarding school, aged 8½. I have seen the clearest pictures imaginable of Pluto, literally yesterday, as the USA stormed the furthest reaches of humanly imaginable space. And yet: the difficulties which the unimaginably prescient words of one man have yet to undergo, in order to be even more clearly heard, multiply beyond all measure. I too have a dream, and it not unlike Dr. King's, since his was the very first voice which awoke me from my slumber of centuries. I call myself fortunate to have read his immortal words once again; to have attempted to format them for all the world to read has been no less than a revelation. But oh dear, Jimmy Wales: why is it still so unimaginably difficult? It should be as easy as opening the fridge door to get another beer out. Instead, we present you with THIS HORRENDOUS MESS. >MinorProphet (talk) 23:55, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I wish to apologize profoundly for my intemperate and pointless outburst. I'll crawl back under my stone again. >MinorProphet (talk) 09:35, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

I expect we all feel like that at times. In this case, I blame browser implementers who do not follow the specified standards; or maybe the authors of those standards, who write specifications which it would be unreasonable to follow. Maproom (talk) 09:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

I thought it was eloquent. "...furthest reaches of humanly imaginable space." Dr. King would be proud. ;) ―Mandruss ☎ 09:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Birdy Incorrect Age

Hi there,

I just looked on the wiki page for Birdy (the singer) - her age of winning open Mick UK says 250 - which is not correct.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.29.87 (talk) 12:50, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Simply recent vandalism, which I have now reverted. Thank you for letting us know. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:54, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

How do I view category of images as gallery

Hello, please instruct me how to look at this page as a gallery of thumbnails or what to type in a sandbox to transpose it that way Category:Images with watermarks, ~ R.T.G 13:11, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

You could preview the category page without __NOGALLERY__ in the source. I don't know whether there is way to see more than the first 200. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:11, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Apparently you don't even need to remove __NOGALLERY__ when previewing, but it's still limited to the first 200. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:14, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't see my article

I don't see that my article was published.

Help? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lelisek/sandbox

Lelisek (talk) 16:04, 16 July 2015 (UTC) elise

Your article hasn't been published. User:Lelisek/sandbox is a userspace draft. I have added a template to it, & that will give you the ability to submit it for review when you feel that it is fit to be published. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:17, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Upload new logo to page

Our logo has changed and we need the new logo to be updated on our company page.

How do we do this?

I tried the file upload wizard but it won't allow me to upload the logo — Preceding unsigned comment added by GildanWeb (talk • contribs) 16:21, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Only autoconfirmed users (accounts with 4 edits that are >10 days old) can upload images. You can request for an image to be uploaded at Wikipedia:Files for upload. As an aside, if you are working on behalf of a company you should take a look at Wikipedia's Conflict of Interest guidelines. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 16:25, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Please also see the message on your user talk page about your user name, which is in violation of our username policy.--ukexpat (talk) 16:36, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Katalin Zamiar

The article about Katalin Zamiar has been turned into an advertisement by a user who uses the name KatalinOgren, which coincidentally is also the new name of Katalin Zamiar (she probably got married). The article may need to be renamed and KatalinOgren's edits have to be reverted or wikified. Please help, I cannot do it. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 17:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I reverted the article to the last version before the COI edits. (You could have done it, by the way, but asking here for help was reasonable.) Why do you think that the article should be renamed? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:55, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't sure if it needed to be renamed. I've read WP:COMMONNAME and now I think that Katalin Zamiar is probably the best name. Thanks for your help! The Quixotic Potato (talk) 18:28, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk page for Meryl Streep

Hello, I want to add a question to the talk page for the Meryl Streep page. How do I do this?rich (talk) 17:28, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Just the same as you did here. Go to Talk:Meryl Streep, & click on "New section". - David Biddulph (talk) 17:36, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk pages have a tab saying "New section" but we don't actually know which posts here used it. The box at top of the help desk has a big link saying "Click here to ask a new question about how to use or edit Wikipedia". PrimeHunter (talk)

Canchupati Venkatrao Venkaswami Rao

The article Canchupati Venkatrao Venkaswami Rao is in a terrible state. Please help, I cannot do it. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 17:53, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

You said, again, as above, "Please help, I cannot do it." What do you mean by that? This is the encyclopedia anyone can edit. If you mean that it is obvious that the article is in terrible shape, but that it requires more effort than you are able to apply, or that you don't know what needs to be done, you have various options. First, you can tag the article. Arbitrary or excessive tagging is discouraged, but this is a clear case where tagging does seem appropriate. Second, you can seek help at a WikiProject. I would suggest WP:WikiProject India and WP:WikiProject Hinduism (although the latter is not as active as in the past). Those are things that you can do in order to request help. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:03, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I sympathise with the Potato. What that article needs is deletion. And choosing and applying the appropriate deletion tag is quite a demanding task for a user with less than a month's experience. Maproom (talk) 18:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe a weird reason but my girlfriend didnt allow it because I was moaning about it. I know nothing about yoga and gurus and stuff like that. I am good at doing typofixes, but I suck at writing articles and fixing articles made by other people. Sometimes when I am fixing typos I see things that I know should be changed, but I don't really know how. On a related note, maybe someone should take a look at this and that and that. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 18:08, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I see that you work only on articles which include the misplaced words "bold text", and remove them. This is commendable, and will give you some good experience of editing. But it has certainly led you into some murky corners of Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 19:30, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I have nominated the article for deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:39, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

It is true that the multiple steps of choosing and applying the deletion tags are difficult for inexperienced editors. That is what Twinkle is for. However, inexperienced editors may not have been introduced to Twinkle. Also, any editor using a mobile device (other than a full-sized laptop, which is not always counted as a mobile device) may have difficulty in using Twinkle. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:26, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Infobox question

Dear all, please anyone can help me? I want to create or translate an infobox, how can I ? please learn me. --(Deioces) ,Talk 15:58, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

@Diyako kazm: Please be more specific. Is it about making an infobox on an article in the English Wikipedia? Help:Infobox may be of help but we can say more if we know about what you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:13, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

First Midwest Bank Amphitheatre

Hi there - First Midwest Bank Amphitheatre has been renamed to Hollywood Casino Amphitheatre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Midwest_Bank_Amphitheatre — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.132.171.177 (talk) 19:03, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.132.171.177 (talk) 19:02, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? The venue's website does not reflect the new name - http://www.firstmidwestbankamphitheatre.net -- ukexpat (talk) 19:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

This seems to be a recent event, http://www.livenation.com/venues/14482/hollywood-casino-amphitheatre-chicago-il shows the new name, but still has the old name in a number of places (for example on their "venue details" page). But I'm not 100% sure if this is sufficiently sourced (yet) for a move. Rwessel (talk) 19:53, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Definition of abbreviation

Hello,

I'm doing genealogy research and I've found an abbreviation that I can't decipher:

Here is the example: Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor m. 1114; dec. 1125 Geoffrey V, Count of Anjou m. 1128; dec. 1151

What does dec. stand for?

Thank you for the help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.70.150.113 (talk) 19:38, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

That would be deceased. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:41, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Originally decessit - Latin for "(s)he died".--ukexpat (talk) 19:48, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

July 17

Teahouse talk missing table of contents

The Teahouse talk page Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse is missing the table of contents that is normally at the top. It normally has one. What can I add to the page to get it back? RudolfRed (talk) 00:02, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

It's gone because there are only 2 sections. Supdiop (Talk🔹Contribs) 00:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

__FORCETOC__ would bring it back. See more at WP:TOC. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:22, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. RudolfRed (talk) 02:15, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Could someone please clean up the Ashley Gardner article?

It needs tweaking. 174.7.167.7 (talk) 00:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

It needs more than tweaking as there are no sources at all to support any of the info there. You can be WP:BOLD and make improvements to the article yourself. MarnetteD|Talk 01:05, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

Chapter Listing of Beta Theta Pi

I messed up the lettering under the University of Denver, Alpha Zeta chapter listing, is there any way to fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teejnuf (talk • contribs) 07:21, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

I have reverted your edit.

• The error message had a wikilink to tell you about your reference formatting error.
• We can't use Wikipedia as a reference; see WP:CIRCULAR.
• The target article is unreferenced, gives no indication of the subject's notability, and is liable to suffer speedy deletion.

- David Biddulph (talk) 07:43, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

writing a new article

how do i start — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterpan911man (talk • contribs) 07:47, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Your first article is the best simple guide - but please be sure your subject meets our notability criteria or your article will be deleted. - Arjayay (talk) 08:37, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Formula One

Just a short information/correction regarding the link below: There 11 Formula One Teams for 2016. In it's list missing two Teams: Switzerland's Sauber F1 Team and Britain's Manor F1 Team. Thank you for completion. Best regards Communications at Sauber F1 Team

2016 Formula One season — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.65.194.139 (talk) 11:38, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

The list is of Signed teams and drivers: it may be that, even if your good selves and Manor have indeed signed all the necessary documents with Bernie to confirm your participation, this hasn't yet been announced, so there are no published Reliable Sources for the information, without which we can't include it in the article. If I wasn't skiving off for a few minutes at Work, I'd dig into this myself.(The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 13:10, 17 July 2015 (UTC)