User talk:Kiwipete/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Arrondissement pages

Hi, I noticed you were improving those articles and meant to contact you, but just didn't get around to it. If you're doing this work manually, it might be easier to let me know what changes you'd like made and I can probably change my Jave code that generates the articles and then re-run the bot. Or I could just mail you the source files to allow you to do global search and replace if that fitted in with what you want to do. Dlyons493 Talk 20:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi this is eagle, I was going to try untill I realized that there are not enough categorys. (I think) If you come up with a standard plan, I will be glad to assist. Just let me know and I will run regex using the AutoWikiBrowser for you. If you take the lead on the plan I will be glad to carry it out for you.

Another reason I stopped was that I am not from France, and I don't know anything about france. {Please give me some idea's) I really would like to help. (I wish I knew what to do...some advice please)

P.S. I am running regex right now looking for restruants that were placed in the food stub category, and moving them to the appropriate location.

Eagle (talk) (desk) 23:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)respond on my talk page please(The AutoWikiBrowser will stop and let me know of your message) Thanks and please do respond!!!

OkEagle (talk) (desk) 00:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Page Blanking

On 08-Feb, you blanked Benfeld (canton) and Canton of Benfeld. Blanking pages is generally considered a bad idea. I've reverted them to the previous versions. If you believe these redirects should be deleted, please follow redirect portion of the deletion procedures. If you believe different content should go there, please create stubs. Thanks! -- JLaTondre 01:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

The problem I was trying to resolve was that both these Benfeld canton pages redirected to the Benfeld commune page, which itself seems to have quite inaccurate information. I'll leave your reverts for the time being, but as part of my broader project to tidy up all canton pages (see my user page for more details), hopefully more meaningful content will be added soon. Kiwipete 20:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd recommend that you pick one of the canton pages and turn it into a stub. You only need a few sentences and an appropriate stub tag. Then you can redirect the other canton page to that one. Stubs are a great way of handeling cases like this. -- JLaTondre 20:57, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

French region infoboxes

Your links made no sense, they linked to lists of communes, cantons, and arrondissements in départements. For instance the Ile-de-France infobox linked to lists of communes in the Ile-de-France département, which makes no sense, there is no such thing as the "Ile-de-France département". Hardouin 20:52, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Reg25.jpg

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I've had a look at the Wikipedia:Image copyright tags page, but am not sure which tag to use. The INSEE license (in English) seems to indicate that it is freely available, but there seem to be a number of different tags that might be appropriate. Can you please give me some help on this? Regards, Kiwipete 22:52, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Canton of Benfeld

While it is possible that the page should not be a redirect, this is not solved by removing the data in the page. please address this at Redirects for Deletion. Blanking pages is a bad idea as stipulated by JLaTondre earlier in this discussion page and is considered vandalism by many wikipedia editors. You will find that blanking the page in an attempt to delete it will merely lead to it being repeatedly recreated by other users. I am going to revert your blanking again and implore you to address the deletion in a proper forum (RfD) or replace the redirect pages with meaningful content. I would do so myself except I have neither the expertise nor the time to aquire said expertise. Usrnme h8er 03:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Martinique

Hi, I finally got round to looking at the differences in communes between the version I originally posted and yours. Some of these are obvious - for the CAFs I've numbered the communes, whereas you've aggregated them (which is probably better). The communes of Le Morne-Vert and Bellefontaine seem no longer to exist - as far as I can see, the latter has merged with Case-Pilote into Case-Pilote-Bellefontaine and I don't know what happened Le Morne-Vert.

But Fonds-Saint-Denis still exists as far as I know.

Do you have any more information - e.g. a link to the relevant INSEE page? Dlyons493 Talk 16:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

P.S. The page I think should be authorative is [1]

Um, possibly you were intending to reply to someone else, but I've had a look at Communes of the Martinique département and also Cantons of the Martinique département and they seem to agree with the INSEE page you have quoted above. In particular, the communes of Le Morne-Vert and Bellefontaine are both listed. Case-Pilote-Bellefontaine is a canton, not a commune. It comprises the communes of Case-Pilote and Bellefontaine. I agree with you that the commune of Fonds-Saint-Denis still exists. Let me know if I can be of any further help. Kiwipete 08:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Belfast Pogrom

This period of communal violence began on 21 July 1920 with the shipyard clearances or expulsions. This one day event (shipyard clearances) is well documented and referenced in the linked article. On 21 July 1920 thousands of Belfast shipyard workers were driven from their work with much violence. This one day event deserves to be included on July 21. Here's one reference to a newspaper article that tells of the events of this date and number of workers forced from their jobs and the ensuing violence etc: . Palisades1 (talk) 16:51, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

As I requested above, please discuss this on the article's talk page. It is not appropriate to make it a personal matter for me. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 02:54, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

January 15 and December 24 ‎

I see that you reverted my edits regarding January 15 and December 24. May I kindly ask you to reconsider those reverts, as I have not referenced my addition by a wiki, as you claimed, but with the ADB, a major German biographical reference work. When one uses Template ADB, a link to the German wikisource is produced. This, however, does not mean that the content was created in this wiki, the content is conversely contained in the written version of the ADB. I would therefore kindly ask you to reconsider your reverts, as using this template is probably the most common way to cite ADB. Kind regards! WatkynBassett (talk) 14:25, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Sure, no problems. Thanks for the explanation. I wonder if ADB shouldn't be mentioned in WP:RSP as a reliable source. What do you think? Kiwipete (talk) 05:27, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for your quick action! Much appreciated! I could see ADB added to WP:RSP very well - even if its content is a bit old and the writing somethings seems a bit baroque ... WatkynBassett (talk) 19:08, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

21 July

Ok on July 21, 1920 there really were major sectarian motivated violence at the shipyards in Belfast. That day set off communal violence that lasted several years. I will enter a third reference which will hopefully satisfy you.Palisades1 (talk) 23:35, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

It's not a question about providing more references. The requirement is that each entry in a DOY article has a wiki link to an existing article. In the case of events, that needs to be an event that took place on a specific, individual day - this is the policy spelt out at WP:DOYSTYLE. Please have a look at how other entries do this. If you wish to ask general questions, please do so at the project talk page. If you want to make another edit on July 21 or any other DOY page, please discuss it first on its talk page. Kiwipete (talk) 08:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

"All events, births, deaths, and holidays should be linked to existing Wikipedia articles and those articles should mention the specific events. Per WP:USERG, such a wikilink is not considered a reliable source, and a direct source is required."

This event listed was linked to Belfast Pogrom which has a section on Shipyard clearnces and a reference to a direct and reliable source: Glennon, Kieran (27 October 2020). "The Dead of the Belfast Pogrom". The Irish Story. Retrieved 21 March 2022. If newspaper articles from that time be better Im happy to replace the above reference with one of them.

The Belfast Pogrom began with the shipyard clearances/expulsions. Palisades1 (talk) 11:59, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Arrondissement of Bourg-en-Bresse

I saw that you made an edit to this page, so I hope you know a little more about it than I do. I'm going through links to disambiguation pages ("Roman") and there is a link to Romans in this article, referring to a town in France. There are two options on the Roman disambig page, and I don't know which. Could you please take a look and link the article to the correct page? Thanks for your help. --Mmounties (Talk) 15:00, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi I've put the correct disamig to Romans, Ain into the Bourg-en-Bresse page. Dlyons493 Talk 15:31, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Cantons of France

Kiwipete - It's funny you mention INSEE - because that is the source I am using for verification. Check this area on INSEE ([2]) - it shows the map of the cantons, with Grenoble (canton non precise), and then this one ([3]) shows the commune of Grenoble. Unless I am missing something on the map that you can help me with - or unless the maps are not correctly showing the cantons (as they do not match the list that you pointed out to me). Can you help? Rarelibra 14:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You're probably busy with things. But I am continuing to make edits as I go through the lists of Cantons. You'll see I back up my edits with the official INSEE number corresponding to the edit. Hope this helps. Rarelibra 16:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I have been preoccupied with other matters. I've looked at the INSEE pages you mention, but I'm not sure what the term "canton non précisé" actually means. Do you know? I have also checked the canton list from the Conseil General website for Isere ([4]) and it does not include a canton of Grenoble. I think the confusion arises where a single commune (e.g. Grenoble) is split across multiple cantons (e.g. Grenoble 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc). Normally, a single canton comprises multiple communes. Can you check this further before continuing with your edits? I'm glad to help in any way I can. Regards, Kiwipete 00:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

From what I can tell, the INSEE site says

"Dans le cas des communes découpées en cantons, les différentes fractions cantonales de la commune figurent avec leur numéro de code dans la liste de la commune. Il est également renseigné pour ces communes un numéro de code pour les "cantons non précisés ". Il est généralement utilisé lorsque l'on ne veut pas ou que l'on ne peut pas caractériser une fraction cantonale pour la commune. Le code de canton non précisé ne s'adresse donc qu'à des communes entières. A l'heure actuelle les valeurs des cantons non précisés sont comprises entre 84 et 99."
I don't speak French, but it roughly translates to:
"In the case of the communes cut out in cantons, the various cantonal fractions of the commune appear with their number of code in the list of the commune. It is also indicated for these communes a number of code for the "not specified cantons". It is generally used when it is not wanted or that one cannot characterize a cantonal fraction for the commune. The code of canton not specified is thus addressed only to whole communes. At present the values of the cantons not specified are included/understood between 84 and 99."
So I'm not sure, but in mapping there is no easy way, it seems, to break down the cantons if they are cross-commune? Rarelibra 18:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Arrondissement_of_Valenciennes

I reverted your revert to this page. Seems reasonable. I have this ethic where I have to tell people when I revert their revert, lest I should be labelled troll. --Madnessinshorts 13:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what "reasonable" applies to - your original edit, my reversion, or this comment? A few people, myself included, have been standardising all arrondissement pages, including the categories that they belong to, and it would be nice to keep them all following the same pattern. Are you going to apply your update to all arrondissement pages, or can I re-revert your change? Kiwipete 01:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Anglicization of French terms

Hi Pete- Thanks for your work on the above--I've been wanting to tackle some of that myself. On a related topic, I think the division categories in the Administrative divisions of France template should be made singular. What do you think? Here's a discussion I had about it. -Eric ^(talk) 14:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Eric. I've replied on the talk page. Kiwipete 03:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I also wish to add my thanks for the work you have been doing on this issue. I have been carrying out similar work, disambiguating the links, removing italics and translating all terms to English, including Préfecture → Prefectures in France, and moving pages to English titles. Your work is appreciated as there is a lot to do. Thanks, and continue the good work. --Bob 08:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, Bob. I've been a bit worried that my rather limited edits have made your job, which I certainly have noticed and very much appreciate, a bit harder. All I've been trying to do is get rid of all links to the now old-fashioned Cantons of xxx département pages, which I still have some left of. Kiwipete 09:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Anglicisation

Hello - I'm contacting you because of your involvement with many French articles. A few have undertaken the task of "Anglicising" French terms in Wiki articles (eg/: "Région => Region"; "Département => Departement") - there doesn't seem to have been any discussion about this, so your point of view would be welcome. I think a good place for this discussion would be the WP:FR page. Thank you. THEPROMENADER 14:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello - I'm contacting you because of your involvement with using English instead of foreign terms in articles. A few are trying to "Anglicise" French terms in Wiki articles according to current guidelines but there is some resistance (eg/: "Région => Region"; "Département => Departement"). Your input would be appreciated here. Thankyou. --Bob 17:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Halt the Anglicisation

Hello Kiwipete. I'm sure you're quite aware that there is an ongoing discussion about your and Gcampbell's unwarrented (and half-baked) "Anglicisation" of thousands of France-related articles at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_France - what's more, there is now a WP:RFC open about it. You would do very well to cease. I'm sure you'll understand my returning the articles you "Anglicised" these last days to their former state until discussion is complete - and until you have a widespread consensus for continuing to transform the long-established contributions of so many in this singular way. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 23:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Addendum: I note now that you have only "Anglicised" article wikilinks to match other already-Anglicised article titles - this is not as bad as what I originally thought, but this change is still unwarrented - and rather "in the face" of the ongoing discussion about this. I am of the advice that article titles will indeed be Anglicised, but still I would wait for this result to become more than my own prediction. Again cheers. THEPROMENADER 23:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, please stop immediately. These changes are very contreversial and there is already a discussion in progress concerning its validity. Please show some respect for the dozens of editors who wrote these articles. --Aquarelle 12:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Kiwipete, and we're also going back to the long-established flat-earth map with sea monsters at the edges. -Eric ^(talk) 13:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know, the last post by Eric is supposed to be funny. He also compares people who disagree with him to Hitler, the Nazi party, and Women-haters. It's called a fallacy, or a mistaken beliefe based upon an unsound argument, and he usually responds to them with false analogies. --Aquarelle 13:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Funnily enough, the last post by Aquarelle is not supposed to be funny. -Eric ^(talk) 15:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Stop, Kiwipete. Last warning. THEPROMENADER 18:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Or ELSE !!! --Bob 18:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Just what sort of playpen is this? That's approval if it's anything. Very well then. THEPROMENADER 18:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Um, actually, I have. Do you think I have been continuing my edits? Kiwipete 06:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

So you did, Kiwipete - apologies. Thank you. THEPROMENADER 10:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, repairing disambiguation links is such a big deal... The actual text has not changed. --Bob 19:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

You know that what he is doing is a form of consolidation - of a single-handed "taste-based" action whose merits haven't even been reviewed yet. During a bleeding WP:RFC on the matter, no less. Do not feign ignorance, bob. THEPROMENADER 19:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Signpost archive

Here is where I have archived my old Signpost articles.

Geography stub categories

Hi - it's taken a couple of months, but I've just noticed that you crated several geo-stub categories for New Zealand regions. Those templates had deliberately been left upmerged into the main New Zealand geography stubs category, since they fell below the threshold of 60 stubs necessary for separate categories (too many small, fractionated categories actually makes it harder for editors to find articles to expand). If some of them don't grow soon, they may need to be deleted and re-upmerged. Notice that the categories contained {{WPSS-cat}} at the top, with its message:

This category is maintained by WikiProject Stub sorting.
Please propose new stub templates and categories here before creation.

Grutness...wha? 23:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Cantons changing of arrondissements

You'll find the change on III.VIII, page 148 (140 of the pdf) of this document [5]. A lot of changes are happening now that the changes can be done by the préfet and not by the ministre. Changes have been done in 26, 27, 33, 39, 41, 43 (this one, Saugues), 51, 62, 72, 77 & 974. One arrondissement (Arcachon) has also been created in 33. I've removed the communes from the arrondissement of Le Puy but I still need to put them in the one from Brioude. If you need to contact me in emergency, you can write to Birdie which is my french nick and that I check every day. Gato76680 19:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:Arr613.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Arr613.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —Bkell (talk) 21:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Lagarde-d'Apt

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Lagarde-d'Apt, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. -- gorgan_almighty 12:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Noting your objection to the {{prod}} deletion proposal tag I put on the Lagarde-d'Apt article, I have moved the issue to AfD instead. That way a larger number of people can review the issue, and a consensus can be reached. You will find the relevant AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lagarde-d'Apt. Please do not remove the {{afd1}} tag from thre top of the article unless a keep consensus is reached and the AfD is concluded. —gorgan_almighty 15:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Eguilles

Thanks for the accent (which I can't seem to be able to type with my keyboard). However, the official website says 'tracks', not traces...Also, I've added the reference but in actual truth that link would hold for the whole history section...Zigzig20s 09:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

When I do my editing, there is a section of accented characters (as hyperlinks) below the edit box. Just click on one and it will be inserted where your cursor is located. I'll change 'traces' back to 'tracks'. Kiwipete 01:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Viviers

Do you agree with the current format? It should be applied to ALL articles. The eccl. (shit) history is to a separate article, and also, hopefully, deprived of all the Catholic POV taken from that horrendous 1910 encyclopedia. Also, if a list has just an entry, what's the reason to keep it? the only mayor listed is present in the infobox too. Let me know and good work. --Attilios 09:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Cantons and land area

For land areas, the authority is www.ign.fr. They give the land area of communes, but I don't know if they give the land area of cantons. If not, then you'll have to add up the land area of the communes inside a given canton. Of course that works only for cantons made up of full communes. For cantons who cut across communes, your only chance is to check the websites of the conseils généraux which sometimes list the land areas of their cantons. Godefroy 13:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Problems with Virgile1991

Hi again. It seems we're having a problem with User:Virgile1991. This guy has been repeatedly changing the region flags in the French regions articles (check for instance Poitou-Charentes or Picardie), replacing the current region flags with the flags of the old provinces of France. I thought he would stop, but no, I have to check these articles everyday now which is time consuming. Do you know if there's a place where I could report his/her attitude? He/she seems very young and not really interested in discussing things rationally. Godefroy 14:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Have a look at Edit wars and Dispute resolutions. This may give you some guidelines that you can follow. As to what the actual flags should be, I'm no expert, but it may be helpful if you can give some external references for both your and Virgile1991's preferences that would support your case. Regards, Kiwipete 01:46, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Arrondissements of Eure

Yes, it's at the bottom of the page: Arrondissements of Eure. If a list comprises basically the contents of a category, it had better have something quite interesting about it, but the only thing in this article are the three arondissements. If you say there are over a hudnred articles like, then they should be deleted as well, or at least all merged into a List of arondissements of France. DevAlt 08:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

And in fact there is a List of arrondissements of France, so why we need a hundred articles telling us the same information already contained in a list and a category but which carries no extra interest is beyond me. Perhaps you could explain? DevAlt 08:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest that you propose any changes to these articles at WP:FR. I would note that these articles do contain population change information not found elsewhere. Also, these pages are linked to from the template Template:Infobox Department of France, which is used in all department articles. Kiwipete 09:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

France, football, and POV

Hi, I know you're interested in French region articles, so perhaps you'd be willing to help with this. As you may or may not know, Guadeloupe football team is allowed to take part in North American championships (but not in the World Cup where only the French national team is allowed), and this month there's the 2007 CONCACAF Gold Cup taking place in the US (this is the North American cup, a bit like the Eurocup). Guadeloupe reached the semi-final, media talked about it, and that's how I discovered about the Gold Cup and about Guadeloupe taking part in that cup. I read the relevant articles on Wikipedia to find more information, and that's where all the troubles started.

Basically, to make this short, the people taking part in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football have decided to name teams from countries and regions alike as "national teams". So we have Guadeloupe national football team, Brittany national football team, Andalucia national football team, Cantabria national football team, and even, believe it or not, Occitania national football team. There's a discussion going on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#"national" team for subnational entities?. I've tried to explain that these subnational entities are not nations, that calling them nation is POV, but to no avail. Unfortunately the discussion attracts very little attention outside of this circle of people interested in the WikiProject Football. Maybe you could have a look and express an outside view.

The second thing is the 2007 Gold Cup article itself. People there represent the Guadeloupe team with this flag: [6]. As you probably already know, this flag has no official recognition and is not widely used, yet they insist on using it. This despite the fact that the Guadeloupe team uses the French tricolor flag in the Gold Cup and not this fantasy flag that they insist on using here. Yet when I tried to restore the French flag I was immediately reverted. You can see the discussion that I opened here: Talk:2007 CONCACAF Gold Cup#Flag of the Guadeloupe football team. I've provided sources and links there. Again, since you know a bit about French regions and their flags, perhaps you can express an outside view on this. I tried to explain that this flag has no recognition, that this is not like, say, the official flag of a US state, but to no avail.

It seems very hard to discuss things rationally there, so it would be good to open the discussion to outside people. If you know other people that could contribute, please let them know. Thanks. Godefroy 22:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Arrondissements of France

Thank you for your message. According to my French-English dictionary, arrondissement translates as district. Wikipedia policy is to use English and you are surely aware that arrondissement is not a word in common English usage so I dont think arrondissement really qualifies. Your argument that arrondissement is more specific in an administrative context is rather meaningless: Any word is more specific in an administrative context. In the UK, district is a very specific word in an administrative context.

I am therefore very tempted to return the page to "Districts of France", but I am in no hurry and will do more research over a few days (or maybe longer if i am busy). In the meantime I will make some minor preliminary edits to the intro to similar effect. Please feel free to comment further (although I may not reply fast). Mesoso2 20:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

District has a specific meaning in french (a division of the départements between 1789 & 1801 and an old sort of community of communes). Using it instead of arrondissement would be a confusion of senses. Gato76680 12:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes thats ok. I want to put an image at the right top though -a photo. Hey above what is the problem. Many countries have their own nmaing systems for administrative divisions that ar euique to that country. IN the Ukraine and Russia they are known as Raions. We use this name on wikipedia as with others. iN Mongolia a district is known as a Sum and we also use this term on wikipedia so there is absolutely no problem with Arrondissements ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 09:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Luynes

What's the "Nécropole Nationale de Luynes"?Zigzig20s 02:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I found a reference to it in my AA 2005 France Maxi Atlas (ISBN 0749542608). To get more details, you can Google it. Kiwipete 01:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

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le Gers

I have spent a couple of summers in the Gers being corrected by the natives, both in French and in English....I have family there. Trust me it IS le Gers and the Gers not just Gers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gordito666 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Where you spend your time is absolutely irrelevant. Fact is that the official name of the department is "Gers". Period. olivier 08:43, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Woaaaah, I dont mean this to be personal. It is le Gers, or the Gers. If you refer to French websites, or the Mairies in the department you will notice it is 'Departemnet du Gers and not simply Department de Gers. While simply stating its name, such as the title of the wikipedia article it may be acceptable to refer to it simply as 'Gers' you will find that it is usually referred to with le (en Francais ou 'The' en Anglais). Please review the official websites to see what I mean, Id be happy to discuss further if you still disagree, perhaps over a glass of local Armagnac in Auch! Gordito666 03:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Aix-en-Provence

Hello. Please do not insert trivia into the introductory paragraph of the article on Aix-en-Provence. You included a mistranslation of an autoroute sign « Aix - ville d'eau, ville d'art » with the description "marketing tagline". This is inaccurate, unsourced and WP:POV. You might also like to know that Aix is a "ville fleurie" (official source: municipal plaque installed in September 2007 on roundabout near autoroute entrance at Pont de l'Arc). Would you translate this as "flowery town"? I'd say "city in bloom". BTW there was a huge welcome sign for the All Blacks on the tourist office while they were here. I included their visit in the trivia section of the article. Cheers, Mathsci 09:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

You would notice from my change description that I was simply moving text (that someone else had previously added) from the article Arrondissement of Aix-en-Provence to the more appropriate article Aix-en-Provence. As for it being "a mistranslation of an autoroute sign", the description can indeed be found on this website which I have now included in the external links section of the article. I have no idea how to translate "ville fleurie." What has the All Blacks got to do with any of this? Kiwipete 09:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The english website of the Aix tourist office is not very good. For example apart from their poor translation of "Ville d'eau, Ville d'art" (which you will note does not appear on the french master site), they write, "News magazine: Our picks, what event is occuring, main interests..." Hopeless. The french version is more up to date and has a clearly visible union jack in the right corner, so I will restore it, leaving your own helpful addition. BTW I mentioned the All Blacks above just as a way of indicating to you that there is a place in the article for miscellaneous facts and because you appear to be from New Zealand. On the other hand I am what might be called a whinging pom :) As you may guess, I also live in Aix. Cheers, Mathsci 09:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Newsletter n°1

Bonjour and welcome to the first WikiProject France newsletter!! It should become a monthly special of our project, but until the next issue, here are some points to consider for the month:

• In an effort to determine the active members from the inactive, all members are asked to simply sign on my special userpage.
• I have slightly rearranged and updated the Project page, putting all the featured lists in collapsible tables. This unclutteres the page and you only have to see them if you want to. Give your feelings at the talk page.
• I have made a Wikipedia advert for our project, Image:Qxz-ad108.gif, what do you think? Personally I feel the words need improving ...
• There are still map problems at Template:French commune - any help at resolving them would be greatly appreciated.
• What about starting a monthly drive? We currently have no Featured Portals (except for the Basque Portal which really isn't French any way), so how about improving Portal:France??? I don't know what's exactly wrong but the criteria can be seen at Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria.

It doesn't seem like a lot, so I hope we will still have enough problems for nexts months issue. Salut till the next issue, ChrisDHDR (17:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC)).

WikiProject Newsletter n°2

It's been one high aiming month! The French WikiProject and related pages have been aiming high for Christmas - and have received an equal number of presents in return!

• The French Portal is now a Featured Portal!!! It passed its Candidacy with 100%. Special thanks go to NYArtsnWords and all those that have made this Portal work.
• The Newsletter has made it to a second issue. You can find its page at WikiProject France/Outreach/Newsletter and its archives at WikiProject France/Outreach/Newsletter/Archives.
• A new page has been setup (WikiProject France/Links) to provide an index of the Projects/Portals pages (as well as helping newbees). When creating any pages in the Project/Portal namespace, please add them to the index page. This page also give WP:FRANCE members a handy watchlist.
• As like last time, members are asked to renew their memberships at Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Members.
• I will be on holiday when the next issue is meant to come out so could some generous person(s) please do the next issue at Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Outreach/Newsletter.

Well, that's this issue. Au revoir et à bientôt till the next time, ChrisDHDR (18:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)).

Nœux-les-Mines

Hi! I changed the spelling according to French wikipedia. There have native speakers written the name with "œ" so I thought it will be correct. Kind regards and :) Doma-w (talk) 10:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

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Caro or Çaro

Hi, the sources seem to be contradictory on this point. Having read the French wikipedia article at fr:Çaro (it was moved there from Caro a year ago, see [7]) and the Basque name "Zaro", which implies a "s"-sound and not a "k"-sound, I assumed it was a simple typo or overeager diacritics removal. You're right that INSEE calls it Caro, I'm not sure how reliable quid is. On the 1:25,000 IGN maps (accessible via http://www.geoportail.fr) it's Çaro, on larger scale IGN maps it's Caro. Strange. Seeing the "toponymie" section of the French wikipedia article, I suppose Çaro is correct, because all older forms have a "s"- or "sh"-sound. Markussep ^Talk 10:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:Template:Ain communes

I don't remember; I think I just copy and pasted it from somewhere else and then pasted it every time I needed it.   jj137 (talk) 01:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Communes

Although the word commune does appear in English dictionaries, I think most readers would associate it with hippies or Communists. Hence the italics. Ksnow (talk) 01:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

Template:Vienne communes

Hi, I like the work you have done on this template. I have a tool just about ready that will generate all French department commune templates, and I'll incorporate your design into mine. Cheers, Kiwipete (talk) 03:13, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Kiwipete. I was thinking of going another mile after figuring out more of wikipedia's syntax. Maybe added group headings of the cantons within the arrondissements, then a list of the communes within the cantons. Sort of like what's at the following link under Navbox, Navbox with columns, and Navbox with collapsible groups together - Former French colonies in Africa and the Indian Ocean Template:Navbox_with_collapsible_groups#Nesting_other_Navbox_forms. That can be something that's done in the future though, with another tool or bot.

I'm glad you know how to program a tool to automate this, I don't. Thanks. --Formerly the IP-Address 24.22.227.53 (talk) 03:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, more fancy stuff can be added later. At the moment, I'm still purifying my commune database to get all the correct disambiguated names. Then I'll just run a perl script to generate the templates. Kiwipete (talk) 04:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Sounds great, it'll be nice to see them made. I did finish with the fancy stuff, but don't know how difficult it would be to write a script for the new template layout, or even whether you want to (the new template is taller than the old one, which might be a negative. --Formerly the IP-Address 24.22.227.53 (talk) 00:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Templates for French départements

I've seen some of the templates you made, and they are huge. I think it would be more appropriate to list only arrondissements or cantons in these departmental templates, and list communes in templates made for the cantons. Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 02:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, some them are large, but they have a default status of collapsed, so they don't take up a lot of screen real estate unless they are actually opened by the user. See here for more discussions. Kiwipete (talk) 02:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for finishing these templates, but please pay attention to the default sort order. Basically, any name that starts with a definite article (la, le, or les) is sorted under the next word, and all letters thereafter are sorted disregarding spaces (hyphens).

Augeant

Hi. I came across this on new page patrol and was surprised as I know we had already started them. However it had a page on french wiki so I figured we'd missed it. Do whatever is correct ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 11:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

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Vía Francigena

Hi Kwipete,

I have not used talk pages before so please have patience with me.

All the links that I put on the Vía Francigena page are there solely because they interact with this wonderful road to Rome. I would expect them to be deleted if they are not.

Regards WALL1FER

Hauteville-Lompnès

I moved this based on the French Wikipedia article. Ksnow (talk) 20:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

WikiProject France newsletter

WikiProject France News What's new? The project has recently experienced a complete redesign. The Outreach department has also undergone a major expansion, and this newsletter is the result of that. The review department is currently under development, with several new proposals underway. Internal peer review had begun on the page of the project's Review Department. The department currently provides a centralized platform off all currently open reviews throughout the project (Featured Articles, Peer Reviews, Good Articles, Articles for Deletion, Categories for Discussion, etc.) A new task force has been introduced: the Paris task force. Any users interested in contributing to the taskforce can join on the project page. There is a current discussion about merging the French Communes WikiProject into ours. This communes project will be organised as a task force. User-related news Notifications Several new user has joined the project this last month: Jordan Timothy James Busson, Djwilms and Mcewan. Welcome! Please come stop by the talk page to join in our discussions. Lazulilasher has been awarded the French Barnstar of National Merit for his contributions to this project. Congratulations! Complete project tasks Complete To Do List The following is a list of all the current tasks for the project, as well as several project goals: Wikipedia:France-related tasks You can help! Vous pouvez aider ! Here are some France related tasks you can do: Requests: Gérard Garouste – Émile Peynot – more... Translation from French:See TRANSWIKI/French for details. fr:Formation territoriale de la France métropolitaine to Territorial formation of France – Loi constitutionnelle du 23 juillet 2008 to French constitutional law of 23 July 2008 – fr:Arbel Fauvet Rail to Arbel Fauvet Rail – fr:Merir to Merir – more... Stubs: Category:France stubs Category sorting: Category:French writers – Category:History of France Verify or Factual Accuracy: Gui de Ceriz – Rennes-le-Château – Simone Weil Update: Bischwiller NPOV : Foreign relations of France (Middle East section) – Torture during the Algerian War – François Mitterrand – Jean-Marie_Le_Pen – John Calvin – Marie Antoinette Wikify: Dida Diafat – French architecture Citations: Vichy France (section) – Falaise pocket – Charles de Gaulle – Vaux-le-Vicomte – Economy of France – Louisiana Purchase Merge: – Bourbon Family Compact Copyedit, Style or Cleanup: Antoine de la Sale – Albert Camus – Breton language – Claude Debussy – French Revolution – French language – Jean-Paul Sartre – Napoleon III of France – Nicolas Sarkozy – Picardy – Rennes – Sarah Bernhardt – Toulouse – Girondist – Louis XIV Expand: Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen – Vaux-le-Vicomte – Basque language – Being and Nothingness France-related Wikiprojects: Wikipedia:WikiProject France view • edit • discuss • history • watch

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Places in France

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Saint-Gaudens

Saint-Gaudens, Saint Gaudens, and St. Gaudens may refer to:

• Arrondissement of Saint-Gaudens, an arrondissement (district) of France
• Augustus Saint-Gaudens (1848-1907), an Irish-born American sculptor
• Louis St. Gaudens (1854-1913), an American sculptor and brother of Augustus Saint-Gaudens
• Saint-Gaudens, France, a commune in southwestern France
• Saint-Gaudens Bears, a French rugby league team
• St. Gaudens Double Eagle, a twenty dollar gold coin designed by Augustus Saint-Gaudens
• Saint-Gaudens National Historic Site, the home, gardens, and studios of Augustus Saint-Gaudens in Cornish, New Hampshire

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Saint-Gilles-Croix-de-Vie

Can you finish off the translation in the history part? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

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Venables, Eure (Armorial of the Communes of Eure)

Thanks for fixing the link.

If they show up in red, it's easy to see the link needs fixing. If they don't, it's a lot harder to tell. Sigh! --David V Houston (talk) 21:29, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: French cantons

The only way I can see to find the demographic evolution of a canton is to find the individual commune's demographic evolution, such as at http://www.recensement.insee.fr/chiffresCles.action?zoneSearchField=&codeZone=04230-COM&idTheme=3 . These can be found at the insee link on the french wikipedia (in the commune's references) and then click on the link that says "Evolution demographie" or something like that. You can then add these populations together. French User Badmood (which may or may not be a bot) already did these calculations, and I simply copied it over from there. I wouldn't know how to cite all of those links however. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 18:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Kiwipete (talk) 04:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

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Computer sorting is messed up by hyphens and capitals. I am following INSEE sorting rules. Ksnow (talk) 00:53, 25 January 2012 (UTC)Ksnow

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Crikey, what a story. Thanks for the new source, the trip still seems really bizarre. I'm a New Zealander, and this is a story from our past that I have never heard of. Kiwipete (talk) 05:21, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

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April 11 Revert

There are 46 refs in the Ian F. Akyildiz article. Which one would you like me to use so that his birth can be restored to the April 11 article, which you reverted die to lack of an inline citation? Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 22:56, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

That's entirely up to you, as long as the citation does verify his date of birth. You have the responsibility when adding an entry to ensure that there is an inline citation. As WP:DOYCITE states, "Most project members are reverting new additions without direct sources on sight.". Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 06:29, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of contribution query

Hello.

You recently deleted one of my contributions, namely *1965 – Seventeen people die and 217 are injured in an earthquake in the Peloponnese, Greece. .

First of all, thank you for adding your reason for doing so. However, I noticed that, even in tha same article, there are numerous other examples that fail to comply with this "need", for instance:

• Lothair I is crowned King of Italy by Pope Paschal I. (no article on the crowing itself)
• 1614 – In Virginia, Native American Pocahontas marries English colonist John Rolfe. (no article on the wedding itself)
• The Mayflower sets sail from Plymouth, Massachusetts on a return trip to England. (no article on this journey itself)

Could you, please, explain why only my contribution was in this particular "need"?

Thank you very much in advance, --Avacalop (talk) 13:15, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's a new requirement put in place by the DOY project. There are lots of those old entries still in place - hopefully over time, reliable sources will be found. You can find more information at the project page, and even join the project yourself. You've made some great additions already :). Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 19:45, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

@Avacalop - how come you have ignored my reply and reinstated your edit? I think it's clear from my explanation above that new entries have to have a link to a wiki article specifically about the event. I'll revert it again. Please ask any more questions you have on the talk page, not here. Kiwipete (talk) 08:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello again, @Kiwipete.

I'm sorry, I missed your previous reply and this is why I reverted your change. I would never ignore something like this.

Could you, please, look more closely to the examples I mentioned? I think that you will find that one of them is also a new entry just like mine and, according to what you say, should follow the same "need".

Again, apologies for missing your previous message. Could you, please, help me understand this difference?

Thank you in advance! Avacalop (talk) 08:39, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I can see those three entries you refer to in a version of the page as at 27 September 2020, so no sorry, they are not new entries. Kiwipete (talk) 09:04, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for your reply. So

1933 – Andorran Revolution: The Young Andorrans occupy the Casa de la Vall and force the government to hold democratic elections with universal male suffrage.

is not a new revision, is it? Just to be clear, you have been very helpful! Avacalop (talk) 06:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Is "1933 Andorran Revolution" a new entry? No, I can also see that on the page version I linked to above. Kiwipete (talk) 07:53, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Let me make myself more clear, @Kiwipete

Is the following line of contribution mew?

1933 – Andorran Revolution: The Young Andorrans occupy the Casa de la Vall and force the government to hold democratic elections with universal male suffrage.

I think it is. Please, kindly clarify. Avacalop (talk) 15:12, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@Kiwipete Hello again.

Would you please kindly explain why other new contributions (after the new rule) such as the last one I just mentioned are have not been removed, while mine has?

Your admin help would be much appreciated.

Thanks again! Avacalop (talk) 03:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

I think I have explained everything as clearly as I can. Please take any further questions to the talk page, which you can find here - Talk:April 5. Kiwipete (talk) 06:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

November 12

Your reversion restored a ref error msg as can be seen in the current (your) version at reference No. 24. I removed the title from the author parameter. The previous edit to mine (by an IP) added in some links, which produced a 'wikilink conflict' error msg. which I also corrected not really being aware of what the edit was trying to do; (AGF). I note your edit removed their changes so the error msg went also. Not 'weird' by me, just someone working through the list of error msgs. Eagleash (talk) 09:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, @Eagleash:. But your first edit left the text "*2005 – Manidhar Ch" embedded in the 1994 entry for Guillaume Cizeron - that's what I was referring to as "weird". Thanks for fixing it all up. Kiwipete (talk) 03:52, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

I think that was all added in the edit before mine, whch I had not seen at the time of editing, as I went straight to the ref with the 'wikilink conflict' msg; taking the links out of the text removed the error msg. I was not aware that there was anything else amiss with the ref. Anyway seems fixed now. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 04:19, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

WT:MOSBIO discussion

There is/has been a discussion at WT:MOSBIO#Word order when former/retired, but I can't tell if it has been resolved or not. How can I get the participants to come to a consensus, before updating the main page? Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 05:02, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

If you want to get participants to come, you must be very careful because people may think you are canvassing. Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate notification has info. 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊|🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦|☎️|📄 00:23, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

If it is closed, which it is not, there will be something like a {{Closed rfc top}} at the top. 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊|🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦|☎️|📄 00:21, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

1983 World Juniors Track Cycling Championships

Nice work going through making the Junior track cycling champs articles I have a query about 1983 World Juniors Track Cycling Championships. The current medal table makes no sense and does not correlate to the results. Just wondering if you hadn't done that yet or maybe I'm mis-reading. Cheers Paulpat99 (talk) 20:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, @Paulpat99. I copied the article from the 1982 one, got the countries right, but obviously forgot to check the medal count. I attended these championships, which was a great event, and thought that there should be some record of it here. Kiwipete (talk) 03:22, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

May 28th 2020

First off, apologies as I am very unfamiliar with wikipedia and have no idea if I'm following sop in anything that I'm doing on here.

Regarding the entry for May 28th and the taking of the 3rd precinct, My understanding is that the edit was reverted with the reason that "There is no link to a wiki article specifically about this event". The event is specifically mentioned within that article which the inline link directs to (the George Floyd protests). The 3rd precinct's burning is explicitly discussed in a subsection of the article. This is structurally similar to the entry on Harambe's death which links to Harambe's page which has a subsection discussing the specific event of Harambe's death. In short, I assert the event is historically significant and warrants inclusion and based on the established content on the page, I don't see a reasonable basis for it specifically being struck from the page because it doesn't have an article solely dedicated to the specific event.

Again, apologies if my wires are crossed and I'm not even talking to the right person about this. I'm not the sharpest when it comes to these things and the entire UX design around wikipedia editing is largely esoteric and inscrutable to me. 2600:1702:2EA0:27B0:E42F:86:AA2A:621A (talk) 13:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

• The article you link to has no specific single relationship with that particular date. You may not be familiar with our guidelines, but it is probably a good idea to work on that before you edit it--and before you restore your edit twice three times, which is called "edit warring". Thank you. Drmies (talk) 00:36, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for finally replying here. I read and understood the written requirements of the page. Perhaps you did not notice the details on the page regarding the event in question? I will paste the link below. The date, May 28th, is clearly indicated for the even in question. I am not undersanding on what basis this entry is being undone when other entries such as Harambe's death, which has no specific article stands. A quick glance above that, the entry "2008 – The first meeting of the Constituent Assembly of Nepal formally declares Nepal a republic, ending the 240-year reign of the Shah dynasty." also has no specific article and yet it stands.

Why is this entry being singled out as not fitting the criteria for a valid entry when it meets the same spirit and goes even beyond the standard as set by other established entries?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Minneapolis%E2%80%93Saint_Paul#Burning_of_the_third_precinct_police_station 2600:1702:2EA0:27B0:861:7927:F8F9:F339 (talk) 00:49, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

What "finally"? I just saw this. I did notice the details. Harambe died on 28 May, so of course that's directly relevant. George Floyd did not. That something related to his death happened on May 28 is not the point. If it were, we could add that same link on dozens and dozens of dates, since on many dates things happened related to his death. Drmies (talk) 01:52, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Finally someone replied and it happened to be you. That you just saw it doesn't change that I made my OP over a week ago.

The entry I made clearly is not about George Floyd. It is clearly about the taking of the third precinct, which was a historic event nearly unprecedented in US history, which has its very own subsection under the date of May 28th in the broader article about the protests.

This entry is not meaningfully different than the entry about Harambe's death. His death being in a subsection of the broader article about Harambe. The broader article that also has information about his birth and the songs his keeper liked.

It's not meaningfully different from the Nepal entry I mentioned which has the relevant information in a table at the bottom of a giant page about a million other things.

Even the next example above it "2004 – The Iraqi Governing Council chooses Ayad Allawi, a longtime anti-Saddam Hussein exile, as prime minister of Iraq's interim government." only mentions the date May 28th in a subsection of a broader article about Ayad Allawi.

Are you going to argue that the Third precinct needs it's own dedicated page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Precinct_Police_Station

I'm willing to believe there has been confusion about what the original entry was even about -- the taking and burning of an American police precinct by US citizens -- again an apparently unprecedented event in American history since at least the civil war. This entry is not about George Floyd or his murder.

If this isn't the case than I can only say it feels like post-hoc pedantry to justify someone's flippant decision to reject the entry. 2600:1702:2EA0:27B0:FDC0:F11F:CE50:8D1C (talk) 02:31, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

We can't verify that you made your OP over a week ago, because you're using an anonymous IP address. Get a user id, and you might be a little bit more believable.

I'm now archiving this discussion. If you wish to post more, please do so on the talk page. Kiwipete (talk) 02:37, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Count Me In (film) moved to draftspace

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About your edit to September 20.

Yeah, I get why it got removed. I don’t think I even expected it to last long, but if I did, then your reason for removing it is still understandable. Somewhereattheendofspace (talk) 07:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Notes sections on DOY articles

Hey Pete, You've been doing some great work on the DOY articles. I'm thinking your addition of the "notes" section may make sense (haven't really thought about it but I totally see where you're coming from and trying to do) but you should probably discuss it on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Days of the year or some other project page. Cheers! Toddst1 (talk) 04:17, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, will do. You can have a look at some changes I have done to January 3, January 6, January 14 and January 20. I'll hold off making other changes until there has been some discussion. Cheers, Kiwipete (talk) 04:21, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

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Rugby League Project

Hi. Yes, I've seen this used as a source, so I raised it on the relevant page and it was generally agreed that it's not a reliable source - for the same reason IMDb isn't. However, I can't now find that discussion. Still searching! Deb (talk) 10:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Time zone vandal

For this edit, I watch some of these pages for what I call the Brazilian Time Zone Hoaxer. They've been at it for years, pretending counties in that are follow summer time and general vandalism. Canterbury Tail talk 12:11, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

3RR

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Requesting inputs

@Kiwipete , Requesting your inputs @ WT:CYCLING#Cycling news Reliable source? if yes, Which would be right article?, if the topic interests you. Thanks.

I came across your user profile from your Jan-23 edit to WT:CYCLING‎ since I tried to search active editors engaging on project talk page .

Bookku (talk) 17:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Irvine and Mallory

Hi. I noticed your recent edit summary: "Irvine and Mallory both died on the same expedition on the same day." I'm pretty sure we don't know for certain the date on which either of them died or whether they both died on the same day. Maybe neither of them should be listed. Deb (talk) 08:27, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Deb, yes I did wonder myself. My rationale, if it can be called that, is that their entries were already there, both using the same citation, so I thought it would be tidier listing them together under the same heading, such as, for example, the Pearl Harbor deaths on December 7. Kiwipete (talk) 08:34, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps we could add a note saying "date disappeared"? Deb (talk) 08:35, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Do you want to make an edit? I don't have a clear idea of exactly how to format your suggestion. Kiwipete (talk) 08:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Answer!

You recently reverted my edit on 'September 3' saying every event should be on seperate line! But I had changed those which had occured in same year and I've seen many such articles when events occured in same year or date are written together? So which way is right? Faraz Sualeh (talk) 09:42, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Please see WP:DOYSTYLE. As stated there, 'Multiple deaths caused by the same event (e.g. December 7, 1941) may be listed, indented with a ":*". Regards, Kiwipete (talk) 04:55, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Inline citation

Hi there, is it a proper way to add inline citation [8] ? Perohanych (talk) 06:44, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that's perfect! Thanks a lot. Kiwipete (talk) 06:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Extrajudicial killing

You reverted my edit at the Indian section of Extrajudicial killing because you wanted a source. I have now added a source. It is an improvement but not necessary because I gave a link to Hardeep Singh Nijjar, which gives plenty of sources. Otto (talk) 13:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Why’d you remove my edit

Do you hate information? Napalm Guy (talk) 00:35, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, I presume you're referring to your addition of Blaž Kraljević to August 9. If so, you would see from my edit summary that new entries require an inline citation, as per WP:DOYCITE. I see further that you have again added this entry. This violates WP:BRD, where after you were Bold, and I Reverted your edit, the next step is for you to start a Discussion. I've once again reverted your edit. If you add it again, you will be at risk of edit warring. These are some of the numerous guidlelines that can help you be a useful contributor to Wikipedia. Regards, Kiwipete (talk) 05:02, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

DOY articles

Well, if there is a long standing practice of accepting entries without inline citations, then we should probably get rid of the DOY wikiproject pages, or at least the DOY styleguide .specifically because of the third bullet point on WP:DOYSTYLE Idontknowwhattouseasmyusername300 (talk) 18:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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Removed Battle of Ilvana

Hi!

Why did you remove Battle of Ilvana? I did happen on the 9th november and it has a link.

Best Regards,

Valominen Valominen (talk) 07:58, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

I guess you mean "Battle of Ilana"? Please check your spelling. When you add an entry, you need to provide an inline citation, as described at WP:DOYCITE. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 08:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Valominen (talk) 08:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Page previews and coordinates

Hi I removed the coordinates on the Tulle massacre because they were screwing up the page preview. Is there a way to fix this without removing the coordinates? Yedaman54 (talk) 20:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Yedaman54, can you please explain what you mean by "page preview"? Are you able to attach a screenshot? Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 05:10, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

https://snipboard.io/QPzv01.jpg heres a screenshot if you are uncomfortable clicking a random link I can try my best to describe it to you. Yedaman54 (talk) 05:35, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

That looks like a screenshot when not logged in to Wikipedia, which I hardly ever am. I've moved the coordinates as a parameter of the infobox template. Can you please check? Kiwipete (talk) 05:45, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot to ping @Yedaman54. Kiwipete (talk) 07:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

So I think I've found the answer. There seems to be a bug in the code for page previews currently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Coordinates#Protected_edit_request_on_29_May_2023 I think the best course of action would be just to wait it out until they fix it. Yedaman54 (talk) 21:15, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

It seems that when you make the coordinates as a parameter of the infobox template the page preview works! Yedaman54 (talk) 20:14, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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30 May

May songs

my story today

My story today is that 300 years ago, Bach became Thomaskantor, with BWV 75, writing music history. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Szczodrow Sycow Poland formerly Schollendorf Prussia

Hi, I was hoping you could help me with the History of Szczodrow around 1750 to 1850. I believe it was a Lutheran area before the Catholic took over around 1817. Ken from NZ 115.188.234.29 (talk) 09:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ken, sorry, but my knowledge of the history of Poland is extremely limited. My edits consist mainly of adding the pushpin map to town/village articles that are missing it. It may be better asking at the Poland project page. Kiwipete (talk) 22:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

José de La Mar

Hi. I added the sources when you reverted both of my edits. From this diff from October 11 article that use as a source a book written by Jorge Basadre, one of main Peruvian historians of his country and this one from 12 May article which has a journal published by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Peru. So no, your statement that claims that I didn't use reliable sources in those edits is wrong. I updated José de La Mar article by adding those sources as showed here. For some reason the article had a wrong year of his birthday, but that error was fixed. --2x2leax (talk) 19:32, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Yep, in both diffs I used the wrong year La Mar was born, that's my fault, a reason why I fixed it in this and this diff until you reverted me. 2x2leax (talk) 19:42, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

September 10 death revert

Thanks for catching that. The IP had added deaths 20 times to articles where the subject had not died...starting 2 minutes after the single edit that I now know was good. --Onorem (talk) 20:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. That was no problem at all. I had thought you had reverted the change first due to WP:DOYCITE, but adding years of death without a citation is an acceptable practice. Great that you picked up on all the other changes, though :) Kiwipete (talk) 07:59, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages

I am having a hard time understanding the requirements at WP:DAB. Specifically, there is an article Ilowiec which, I assume, is a disambiguation page as it contains links to articles about various towns in Poland. However, each of these articles just contains a "see also" hatnote. I believe they should contain a hatnote for "other places" to a page Iłowiec (disambiguation), which should then redirect to Iłowiec. Am I correct? If so, do I replace the existing contents of Iłowiec with the contents of Ilowiec, make Ilowiec a redirect to Iłowiec? Are there any other changes that I should make? Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 08:20, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

You are correct, {{other places}} would probably be better than {{see also}} in this instance, as it would link to the disambiguation page. If you want more help, change the {{help me-helped}} back into a {{help me}}, stop by the Teahouse, or Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 09:24, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Precious

lists of cantons and cycling competitions

Thank you for quality articles beginning in 2006 with lists of the cantons of Switzerland such as Cantons of the Saône-et-Loire department, for Stadttheater Königsberg, for annual lists of World Juniors Track Cycling Championships in 2022, for copy-editing such as Huub Oosterhuis, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2841 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt - thank you very much for your kind words. That would be the cantons of France, by the way, but nice of you to remind me how I started out all those years ago on Wikipedia :) Kiwipete (talk) 08:13, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

You are so right, sorry about not looking ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:26, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Reversion

Re: WordPress

(There needs to be a link to a wiki article specifically about this event)

Thanks for correcting my error and your guidance on this.

Funnily enough I was thinking I needed to find an 'outside' source.

Can you explain where I went wrong.

Many thanks

LWB Lukewarmbeer (talk) 23:37, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @LWB, that's no problem at all. I'm not sure what the reference to WordPress is though, it was your edit on March 12 that I reverted :) In terms of what the requirements are, I should have highlighted WP:EVENTDOY, so, for example, if there were an article called Liberation of Karditsa then this event could be included. Cheers, Kiwipete (talk) 02:51, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Death of Sophia Dorothea of Hanover

Good catch, thanks. More work today indicates her death may have been on the following day. Feel free to weigh in on her article talk page. Talk:Sophia Dorothea of Hanover RPellessier | Talk 19:01, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

On editing January 30

Hello there, @Kiwipete. I really appreciate heartfully your hard work on editing the encyclopedia. Please keep doing this admirable job.

This time I want to discuss about the January 30 article. I added the speech, but purposely didn't add any citation as an article on WP already exists on that subject. So why it was necessary to undo the edition?

Thank you again for you help and effort! ERA (talk) 12:35, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Era, the requirement is quite clear at WP:DOYCITE that an inline citation has to be included with any new entry in these DOY articles. As stated there, " A blue link to a Wikipedia article is not sufficient". I hope that helps. Kiwipete (talk) 18:38, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for the help. Just another small question, why are many of the events don't have any incline citations? I mean, if that was the case then, every entry on DOY articles should have a citation next to the events, but why it isn't?

Thanks again! ERA (talk) 19:51, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

You can see that there are active members in the WP:DOY project who are reviewing all existing DOY entries to find citations. Kiwipete (talk) 01:08, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Preview using new Vector skin

I am using the new Vector skin. When I edit an article and then press the "Show preview" button, the Preview is displayed, but (a) all the Language links appear in the left-hand margin, per the old Vector skin, and (b) there is a large blank margin to the left of the Preview section. Please advise how can I report this defect. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 08:02, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to leave this request open as someone with more technical knowledge may be able to answer you, but you may report issues with the skin by going to WP:VECTOR2022 and using its talk page. 331dot (talk) 08:14, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Count Me In (film)

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Happy New Year, Kiwipete!

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And all the same to you as well, @Abishe :) Kiwipete (talk) 02:50, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

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Editing Polish town/village articles

I am making edits to many Polish town/village articles so that they all have a map with location indicated, for example this edit]. At the moment, I am doing all this manually - I would like to know if there are any tools that would help me to make this a quicker process. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 07:00, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

There are tools, such as AWB that can automate or semi-automate certain kinds of edits, but this, I suspect, may be beyond its capabilities. For better help on this, you might try asking at VPT or WT:WikiProject Maps. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:23, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Count Me In (film)

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Don’t really understand.

What’s an in-line citation? StephenBryant7 (talk) 16:40, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello. Okay, I think I fixed the inline citation problem. Thanks! StephenBryant7 (talk) 17:04, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Game of the century, Bobby Fischer vs Donand Byrne

Hi, why did you cancel it from 17 october ? Ricercastorica (talk) 11:39, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Did you read my edit summary? "new entries require an inline citation, please see WP:DOYCITE". Kiwipete (talk) 07:13, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I did. You did cancel the sentence which includes the inline citation Ricercastorica (talk) 12:49, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

This is the full text of your edit:

*1956 – [[The Game of the Century (chess)|Game of the Century]] between [[Bobby Fischer]] and [[Donald Byrne]]

An inline citation is typically one of the variations of the {{cite}} template, enclosed at the end of this text inside a pair of <ref></ref> tags. There are plenty of examples of this on the page. Please familiarise yourself with them, and also read and understand WP:DOYCITE and WP:RS. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 06:43, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I am more familiar with chess than with inline citations, so if you wish to fix it, please feel free. Ricercastorica (talk) 15:37, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the April 14 article

Why shouldn't births and deaths in the same year be grouped under sub-bullet points? That's how the year articles do it (see 1918#Births) and it looks good and works well. Kornatice (talk) 21:10, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Kornatice, I've never really looked at the year articles. For the DOY articles, there is WP:DOYSTYLE, including a reference to the template used for these articles. Cheers, Kiwipete (talk) 06:48, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

About editing on awarding date of the Nobel prizes 2022

Hi once again, Kiwipete! I recently added the awarding of all six Nobel prizes awarded to the recipients in 2022 on the pages of October 3,4,5,6,7,10. But on the page of oct 5, you removed the awarding and stated "while both the people and prize are notable, the awarding of the prize itself to them is not". Then, should the awarding of other pages be removed as well? (As an amateur contributor, I many a times struggle editing, apologies for any wrong edits). Thank you ❤️

ERA (talk) 15:02, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @ERA, I see that there are year-specific articles for Physiology or Medicine, Literature, Peace, and Economic Sciences, but not for Chemistry or Physics. I'm not sure why that is the case. Do you have any involvement in creating/maintaining these articles?

The general guideline for putting entries into the Events section on DOY articles is that there must be a specific article about that event (please see WP:DOYSTYLE - "All events, births, deaths, and holidays should be linked to existing Wikipedia articles and those articles should mention the specific events"). In that regard, the entry on October 4 for the Physics prize should also probably be removed. I'm sorry not to be able to offer much more help here. Regards, Kiwipete (talk) 06:55, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Days of the Year Additions

Thank you for your feedback regarding several of my Days of the Year additions. As you can guess I am still learning much of Wikipedia as I try to update the Days of the Year entries to include active WTA tennis players with Wikipedia entries. I replied with my intention to fix the en dash problem, but as I'm unsure how talk pages and replies work, I'm posting here as well. It's annoying however because it's much faster to edit these using just the Visual editor, but I cannot seem to see any way to get the desired &nash; to appear there without directly copying an en dash from another entry. Using the insert feature results in the actual '–' and so does alt + 150. Please advise, if you can, on how to best insert &ndash; without using Source editing. Nevertheless, every single entry has been fixed with regards &ndash;.

You also mentioned that capitalisation should be by surname. This I missed because of inconsistent messaging at the bottom of the 'Births' section on each page. Some do not mention alphabetisation at all, and some omit the by last name section. Here I would suggest someone finds a message with all of the information and replaces the message in every entry with that information. In the meantime, I have edited the order of the entries I made where necessary with alphabetisation by surname. I did however think of a few scenarios in which more clarity might be appropriate: in the case of two persons born on the same day with the name surname (here I ordered by first name), or persons with names that don't follow the same order as English e.g., Chinese or Spanish (I went with what they were professional known as and took the surname therein), or finally persons who are known by a mononym (do you still order by their surname or by their mononym whether it's their first name or a pseudonym?).

Thanks for your help so far and I look forward to your response. Please also don't be afraid to shoot me a talk message regarding any changes you make to my submissions. I noticed you removed the entry for Mirjam Björklund from 29th of July page citing that the reference didn't actually contain her date of birth, though I didn't notice this until I reached that day in my &ndash edits. This is an unfortunate reality as the official WTA website is missing some key biographical information for younger players but will be updated in future. With this in mind, I edited the 29th of July and every other entry where the WTA website lacked their actual date of birth so that every time this happens there is also a citation to another source such as Eurosport, ESPN, Wimbledon, the US Open etc. that does contain their date of birth. The WTA links have been left in place, however, because this is the principal reference for professional tennis players, should be accurate in the near future, and adds to their veracity.

Thanks again for your help.

Kxcii (talk) 23:06, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

As per your suggestion on my talk page, I have posted on the Days of the Year Project Talk page. Kxcii (talk) 12:43, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

On editing June 13

Thank you very much for correcting me ❤️. I had an instinct that my last edit on June 13 (events : 1901-present) was going to be a bit overstated, but I did it anyways as the other wikipedia articles had that exact statement about the event. Thanks again :-) Anggona Era (talk) 09:27, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

No worries, always a pleasure to help :) Kiwipete (talk) 04:35, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Extrajudicial killing

Hi Kiwipete, I agree with your revert of Avcomth change of the lead paragraph. I reverted his changes again with an explanation at the talk page. Otto (talk) 05:04, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Edits to DOY articles

I am not using a bot but a AWB script. I was not even aware that that project existed. I think that the idea of using &ndash; instead of the html – is foolish and I note that the suggestion is not in MOS guideline. However I have no wish to annoy anyone or tread on anyone's perceived territory, so I will refrain from making such changes to days of the year articles. -- PBS (talk) 06:03, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Please help me again!

Please help me with... finding articles that have {{Interlanguage link}}s to the "de" wikipedia. Kiwipete (talk) 07:47, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I suggest you have a closer look how to do queries via Petscan Wikipedia:PetScan which is the best tool to do so (but in general it is not quite easy at all). CommanderWaterford (talk) 07:54, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you Mz7. Kiwipete (talk) 08:10, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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Kiwipete is veteran editor that finds it "always a pleasure to help". He started strong in 2006 and after 11K edits took an eight year vacation. Wikipedia is lucky that he returned in 2021 and is back to work on (among other things) articles about cantons and townships and voivodeships as a member of WikiProject France and WikiProject Poland. 85% of his article creating efforts are in Mainspace. Another interest that finds his time is Cycling.

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Thank you so much, @Buster7. These are very kind words from you. Regards, Kiwipete (talk) 17:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

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Hi @Zippybonzo, thank you very much for your invitation. I will need to spend some time going through all the documentation and the tutorial before I could even consider applying for this role. Regards, Kiwipete (talk) 05:20, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for editing the Pink Floyd page

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Invitation to an in-person meetup in Mohua / Golden Bay

Golden Bay Air are holding some seats for us until 21 November

Thinking about your summer break? Think about joining other Wikipedians and Wikimedians in Golden Bay / Mohua! Details are on the meetup page. There's heaps of interesting stuff to work on e.g. the oldest extant waka or New Zealand's oldest ongoing legal case. Or you may spend your time taking photos and then upload them.

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I am not currently blocked, but I often connect to the internet through my VPS. When I do this, I am blocked from editing any page on Wikipedia, including my own talk page. I am soon to go on holiday, when once again all traffic from my computer will be routed through my VPS. I appreciate if this request is not well-timed, but I'm trying to ensure that there will be no block once I am on holiday. I note that in Q4 on WP:BLOCKFAQ, it states that "using an account to edit Wikipedia will allow you to do so even when the IP address or range of your network is blocked". I always login to Wikipedia before performing any edits, so I hope that this statement carries some weight. Many thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 07:59, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

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If you are not affected by a block, please don't make an unblock request. You may use the administrator help request tag or go to WP:AN directly. I think you are asking for an IP block exemption- as a longtime user I will give you a short term one(a month). If you need something longer term, please email the checkuser team(see WP:IPECPROXY). 331dot (talk) 08:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, User:331dot. Kiwipete (talk) 08:43, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

And I've just successfully made an edit while connected to my VPS :) Kiwipete (talk) 08:47, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Can you remove topic about me in Talk Page of 25th December?

Hello, do you remember me? We had a bit of dispute and edit war about me not providing links a while ago. You wrote on my talk page, and I gave you not the kindest of words... I want to apologize for any personal offencives towards you, I had a bad day and wasn't in the best mood of mine. Now I understood I wasn't right. But the topic with my name still remains in Talk Section of 25th December for everyone to see, and I find it a little emarassing and ashaming. I can't remove it, so can I ask you to do that, as you are the one who allowed to as an author. Let's forget that incident without making a clown out of me for the world to see, please. Glebushko0703 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glebushko0703 (talk • contribs) 15:21, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Glebushko0703, thanks, I appreciate your words and understanding. The talk topic has been moved to the archive. Theoretically, anyone could still view it, but they would have to be searching for it. Regards, Kiwipete (talk) 04:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Glebushko0703 - I took your first apology at face value, which I now realise was to my regret. Please make sure you follow the relevant guidlines when editing DOY articles. Oh and yes, I have just been out to my backyard and touched the grass. It hasn't changed anything with regards to your edits. Kiwipete (talk) 04:25, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

@Kiwipete Many individuals from bands do not have wiki pages dedicated specifically for them, and I've seen plenty DOYS with those, and they all provided links to pages of their bands.

If you think that shouldn't be like that, erase the links, leaving only people and citations, there's no reason to remove them from the list altogether.

And if think that is fair, please, do that on all DOY pages with similiar cases, not just the ones you happen to see. Stand your point, and make Wikipedia better place!

First time I really wasn't right, but after this last case, I have a feeling you just like to do undo.

I don't see a reason for that last undo, I would be happy if you could specify it for me please in the rules, because I can't find it.

Gigman (talk) 14:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Thomas Calabro - 3 February

Hi, I would like to know why my Thomas Calabro post was deleted from the 3 February article? What was the problem with that? I just want to understand that I won't do anything like that next time. Cakesam (talk) 11:32, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Cakesam, you would see from my edit summary that when a new entry is added, it must be supported by an inline citation, as per WP:DOYCITE. This would also have been pointed out to you in the "Please read before editing" message displayed at the top of the page when you edited it. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 04:02, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kiwipete, I still don't understand why a famous actor's birthday can't be listed where other famous people are? Regards, Cakesam (talk) 11:32, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I can't really add anything extra to what I said above. Kiwipete (talk) 06:59, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

@Cakesam sometimes I don't understand @Kiwipete's actions either.

Seems like Undo must be his biggest contribution to this platform. Gigman (talk) 16:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

One year!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I wondered what you were referring to, @Gerda Arendt, but then I remembered this :) Kiwipete (talk) 08:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

citations for celeb dates of birth

Almost none of the celeb births on the December 31 page have citations yet I have to add them to new ones that should already be on the page? why don't you go round deleting all of them then? 78.86.134.164 (talk) 20:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Enquiry for my revert

Hi there, Kiwipete,

I was wanting to post a name for a recently-celebrated Prime Minister who just inaugurated yesterday, Lawrence Wong. I had my post reverted because of a lack of citation, but what can I do to make it better next time and hopefully, putting said name again without a revert? Thanks. Sculture65 (talk) 13:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Sculture65, thanks a lot for your question. I saw that you added Lawrence Wong to the Births section of December 18. I reverted your change, because there is now a requirement that all new entries added to DOY (Day Of Year) articles have to be supported with an inline citation. If you look at the Lawrence Wong article, you will see that two citations have been given for his date of birth. You could use one of these citations, or any other source you can find, that verifies his date of birth. If you're not sure of the actual syntax to use, please ask me again. Regards, Kiwipete (talk) 19:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kiwipete:, I didn't aware about the new policy about the two citations, largely because I haven't been editing Wikipedia after a year-long hiatus, but now I get it already. I study first before posting again. Thank you. Sculture65 (talk) 11:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Kiwipete, Yeah haha; I also didn't know the citation requires the user DOB, but I now got another lesson learnt. I understand. Sculture65 (talk) 08:05, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Clarification for March 17

Hi, I noticed this revert and I need clarifications. I understand that I need inline citation for my entry which was my wrong obviously but what you stated after this doesn’t make sense to me. You said that "and there is already an entry in the Births section". I didn’t put that as birth of the person. I wrote that because it is a public holiday in Bangladesh and it is an separate article about how his birthday became the public holiday and how it is observed by the country. I didn’t know that editors can't keep these things in the holiday section because of the existing birthday fact in the related section. For example, the page December 25 has the birth of Muhammad Ali Jinnah in the birth section. His birthday is public holiday in Pakistan so there is a line in the holiday section Quaid-e-Azam's Day which redirected to Jinnah's birthday article. So I don't see any out-of-rule edit (except the inline citation). I believe I need a clarification about it.

Also I also have written the fact again but with an inline citation in March 17 as it is the public holiday and not about the birth of the person (see here). I think it is not enough reason to show for the revert that the birth section already mentions that because the article Birthday of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman is about the public holiday. But if there is any problem with the source then please tell me, I will replace that with better source. Mehedi Abedin (talk) 19:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, you're right, there's no problem having one entry for his birth and another for the public holiday. Regards, Kiwipete (talk) 22:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Rollback reason

Hi there. You recently reverted my rollback of a user, for example on this edit. That's fine if you wish to reinstate it. However the reason these were all bulk rolled back is that the IP represents a Brazilian LTA who disrupts dates, and especially timezones and individual date articles. It's obviously fine to reinstate them if you think they are valid and wish to take responsibility for them, but this is an LTA who has been IP hopping for years and is effectively banned due to the blocks and disruption over an extended time period. I just thought you should have an explanation. Canterbury Tail talk 12:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Question about WP:EVENTDOY

Hi Kiwipete,

I see that you've reverted 2 of my edits citing WP:EVENTDOY (April 7 and March 17). How does WP:EVENTDOY apply?

Based on a reading, I'd summarize the rule as:

• A holiday or an observance needs to have their Wikipedia entry
• Be currently celebrated
• Should occur on the same date annually

I don't believe the above rules apply to events that are not holidays or observances (the phrasing in WP:EVENTDOY is a bit ambiguous, I'll admit). Otherwise, there would be no way to add one-time events like assassinations, abdications etc., and I see plenty of those. CoolAndUniqueUsername (talk) 22:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I think you're actually right. I have assumed, maybe incorrectly, that there had to be an actual article about the event. Kiwipete (talk) 08:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. I'll reintroduce those changes. CoolAndUniqueUsername (talk) 14:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Undid revision

In the article "August 28" you undid revision my edition, Anita Sharp-Bolster was an Irish actress that worked in many films. Sirslayercort (talk) 16:46, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's right. You would have seen the reason in my edit summary - "new entries require an inline citation, please see WP:DOYCITE". Kiwipete (talk) 04:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

George Jepsen succession boxes

For what it's worth, other statewide elected officials has nomination succession boxes for articles such as Senator and Governor. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 23:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Your deletion of the July 22 entry of “Soviet space dogs: Dezik and Tsygan”

Regarding your recent deletion in July 22, can you please explain to me how “Soviet space dogs: Dezik and Tsygan” does not meet WP:EVENTDOY, yet this entry immediately below does?

• 1962 – Mariner program: Mariner 1 spacecraft flies erratically several minutes after launch and has to be destroyed.

Ilenart626 (talk) 07:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

There are many old entries which would not meet current standards like WP:EVENTDOY and WP:DOYCITE. There are several editors who are actively updating or removing such entries. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 18:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

With regard to “Dezik and Tsygan”, it looks like the main criteria for wp:EVENTDOY is that there is an article about the subject, which there is - Dezik and Tsygan. This subject is also mentioned in a number of other articles, including Soviet space dogs and Animals in space. Finally on notability, this was the first time dogs had been launched into space, and more importantly, have returned safely. Previous to this flight all the higher order animals were killed, either intentionally or by accident. I also note that Timeline of space exploration specifies “This is a timeline of space exploration which includes notable achievements, first accomplishments and milestones in humanity's exploration of outer space.” Given that the achievements of “Dezik and Tsygan” are notable enough to appear on this timeline, I believe it is notable enough to appear on the July 22 page. Therefore I request that you reconsider your deletion of this entry. Ilenart626 (talk) 04:27, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Can you please take this to the article's talk page - you should seek a broader consensus. Kiwipete (talk) 08:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Adding some notes to a citation

I am making edits to many articles about Polish towns and cities. I want to include a link to the official Polish TERYT website ([9]), but I also want to include some brief instructions on to how to perform a search on this Polish language website. Please see Żelazna Nowa for a recent edit I made as an example. Kiwipete (talk) 07:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe there is a way of doing this in the context of {{cite web}} - Rich^T|C|E-Mail 13:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you (Apollo 11)

Thank you for catching my Apollo 11 launch date error in the June 16 article. I am in a state of disbelief that I got something I am deeply familiar with so wrong, particularly since I carefully dug out two detailed citations and "confirmed" the date from two books. I was fixated on the idea that special things happened on that date – James Joyce's first date with his future wife, the launch of the first woman into space, the death of Werner von Braun, and – in my completely distracted state – the launch of the first moon-landing mission.

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