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TimedText talk

Resolved

Please see Template talk:Editnotices/Namespace/Book talk#Edit request. Why does Template:Editnotices/Namespace/TimedText talk not get displayed when I edit any of these pages? --Redrose64 (talk) 21:50, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

No explanation on how to get an edit notice placed on a page

Where do you ask that a particular 1RR edit notice be placed above the edit window of a particular page? Only admins can do this, but it is not clear on this page how to do this. See:

It's at Wikipedia:Editnotice#Creating editnoticesWikipedia:Editnotice#How to request an editnotice if you are not an administrator, in the text after the box, beginning "To request the creation of an editnotice if you are not an admin". --Redrose64 (talk) 11:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC) amended Redrose64 (talk) 19:33, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
That is baffling. And it talks about creation. I am interested in placement, not creation. Maybe it's a language thing. Would going to the talk page for the desired edit notice work? And then asking there? Or going to WP:AN and asking there?
By the way, I am asking in order to help somebody else. I am also hoping to simplify the instructions on the page so that others have less difficulties too. --Timeshifter (talk) 18:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
More information on editnotices can be found here: {{Editnotices}}. An Admin or Account creator can create and edit them and autoconfirmed (iirc), to place them. Mlpearc (powwow) 19:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
I've added a subheading, and amended my post of 11:50, 8 January 2013 to link directly to that subheading. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:33, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I am still baffled by that section though. I will point the person interested in this to that section. I don't have time to figure it out myself and then rewrite the section. --Timeshifter (talk) 14:15, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
OK, let's assume that you want to put an editnotice on Hunting oscillation. You edit that page, and add one line: 
[[{{editnotice talkpagename}}]]
notice that there are both double square brackets and double braces. Do not save this but preview it instead. You should see a redlink like this: Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Hunting oscillation. Click that link, this takes you to a fresh edit window. In that, you should place your request. It should begin with a section heading, but must then have this line: 
{{editprotected}}
Then add your request, sign and save. If you want to see some that I've handled in the past, see Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Elizabethan era; Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Editing, Creating, and Maintaining Articles/Creating a New Article; Template talk:Editnotices/Page/List of Jains; Template talk:Editnotices/Page/List of Major League Baseball pitchers with 200 career wins or Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia talk:Categorization. The actual editnotices may be seen either by clicking the "Template" tab on those talk pages, or by going to the relevant article (such as Elizabethan era) and clicking any "edit" link. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:09, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

FYI I finally was told by a person who edits a lot in the area (not an admin) that only admins could do it for the WP:ARBPIA article main page. This may not be true for other types of pages and notices. CarolMooreDC 17:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Only admins can create editnotices; but anybody can create a request for an editnotice, because the requests go on a talk page. Anyway, assuming that by WP:ARBPIA you mean that you want an editnotice added to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles, then you need to create the request at Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:35, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

The method for placing an existing edit notice on a specific page is way too complicated. It looks like you are having the person making the request do too much of the bizarre wikitext work involved with template transclusion, page creation, etc.. I suggest creating a single noticeboard or talk page for making specific requests. Then the admins do all the work. --Timeshifter (talk) 19:49, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Not a bad idea. Make a proposal at WP:VPR. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 00:56, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Three Kingdoms-related Articles

The Three Kingdoms Period-related articles often get vandalized and/or edited to add incorrect information by well-meaning editors because of the abundance of fictional material on the subject. To this end, Lonelydarksky (talk · contribs) and Deadkid_dk (talk · contribs) (both of whom I fully agree with) have asked me to create an edit notice for Three Kingdoms-related articles that would alert editors to the possibility that information they wish to add may not be factual and that they should ascertain whether the information is factual or not before adding it. I am wondering: is there a way to make a single template and have it automatically be added as the edit notice of all articles that are under the Category:People of the Three Kingdoms category? (There doesn't seem to be one, and it looks like one has to be manually added by transclusion to all affected articles, but I want to make sure first since edit notices are hardly something I'm accustomed to doing.) --Nlu (talk) 18:07, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

You can make a template, but this must be transcluded individually; so if there are 12 pages in the cat, you would need 12 editnotices. See for example {{List of Major League Baseball players editnotice}} which is transcluded to eight actual editnotices. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:37, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 19:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

RFC - Request for sticky scrolling editnotice

This is to propose/request an option to (or separate version of) editnotice which remains visible as the user scrolls the page down. That is, it would be anchored at the top of the viewable window. This version would be visible even for section edits, and while editing long pages/sections. I think this is possible merely with RSS, without requiring any Javascript.

  • These "sticky scrolling" notices could be dismissed, or toggle hidden/shown, but would always reappear at next page open.
  • The notices should probably be short, perhaps only three text lines, if "sticky scrolling."

Better descriptors are welcome. Discuss? --Lexein (talk) 06:24, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Request for input by someone who groks group notices

At Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Clerks#Closed case template we are discussing the placing of a notice on all closed arbitration cases. A question has been raised about the possible use of group notices that really needs input from someone who fully understands what is an isn't possible and how it's done. Others are also obviously welcome to join the discussion too. Thryduulf (talk) 16:51, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

edit intro visible in section edits?

WP:EDITINTRO contains the statement Edit intros only show when editing the entire page; they do not show when editing other sections. But this appears to be no longer true, as I do see an edit notice when editing sections on a disambiguation page. I'm not sure about BLPs though. Is this statement no longer true? older ≠ wiser 13:34, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

There was some recent discussion somewhere about fixing this in JS. Let me poke around. --  Gadget850 talk 13:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Looks like this was fixed in May but the documentation was not updated. --  Gadget850 talk 14:55, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 October 2013: Template editors

Since template editors can edit editnotices (see lead paragraph at template editors), it stands to reason that they should be able to see the "Page notice" and "Group notice" redlinks when editing pages.

What needs to be done
  • Change the segment that currently reads
/* Hide stuff meant for accounts with special permissions. Made visible again in
   [[MediaWiki:Group-sysop.css]], [[MediaWiki:Group-accountcreator.css]] and
   [[Mediawiki:Group-autoconfirmed.css]]. */
.sysop-show,
.accountcreator-show,
.autoconfirmed-show {
    display: none;
}

to 

/* Hide stuff meant for accounts with special permissions. Made visible again in
   [[MediaWiki:Group-sysop.css]], [[MediaWiki:Group-accountcreator.css]],
   [[MediaWiki:Group-templateeditor.css]] and [[Mediawiki:Group-autoconfirmed.css]]. */
.sysop-show,
.accountcreator-show,
.templateeditor-show,
.autoconfirmed-show {
    display: none;
}

/* Show hidden items that have class="templateeditor-show". */
div.templateeditor-show, p.templateeditor-show { 
  display: block !important;
}
span.templateeditor-show, small.templateeditor-show { 
  display: inline !important;
}
table.templateeditor-show { 
  display: table !important;
}
li.templateeditor-show { 
  display: list-item !important;
}

This seems uncontroversial. Thanks, and please let me know if you have any questions (or if I've missed anything), Theopolisme (talk) 01:50, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

 Done. You are awesome. Legoktm (talk) 04:08, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Template:Editnotices/Group/Template talk:Editnotices

I'm planning to update the editnotice to retarget the link to account creators and add template editors, see Template talk:Editnotices/Group/Template talk:Editnotices. Since it's a very widely used editnotice I just want to check that no one minds if I do that? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:55, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit notices on users' own user pages

{{Editnotice load}} was apparently designed to show red edit notice links on users' own edit pages. It relies on {{REVISIONUSER}} to return the current user inside system messages. But that doesn't appear to be working anymore; indeed, Special:ExpandTemplates shows that {{REVISIONUSER}} produces no output in the MediaWiki: namespace. Is there another way to get the current user? If not, would it be acceptable to just show the red links for all user pages? – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 22:01, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't think there's a way to get the current user. I think we should show the link for all user pages. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:09, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
It was written to exploit a bug in {{REVISIONUSER}}. That bug was fixed when MediaWiki 1.18 was deployed in September or October 2011, at which point anything that had been written in a manner that relied on that bug will have stopped "working". Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 93#.7B.7BREVISIONUSER.7D.7D not working all the sudden; there are several other related threads in the VPT archives from October/November 2011. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:57, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Start parameter at editnotice template

Hi, I just wanted to inform I opened a discussion at Template talk:Editnotice#Starting date to see if there are any interest in such parameter. It could be used when there is consensus to use a editnotice but it does not need to be shown before the tournament actually starts. Feel free to join the discussion and voice your opinion. QED237 (talk) 12:42, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Category:Expired editnotice

I notice that editnotices which don't have an expiry time set (e.g. {{Editnotices/Page/Indy Fuel}}) end up in Category:Expired editnotice. I think it would be better if such editnotices (which are possibly/probably intended to be "permanent") were not included in this category, in order to better identify those which do have an expiry time set, which has passed (which are possibly no longer required and are likely candidates for deletion). Thoughts? Also, shouldn't the category name be "Expired editnotices" ? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 02:21, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

@DH85868993: Sorry, I didn't notice this post earlier. I noticed this problem too and fixed the {{editnotice}} template. Now the job queue has caught up, I think Category:Expired editnotice is correctly populated with the expired edit notices. Yes, the category name would be clearer with an "s" added. Post at WP:CFD/S? -- John of Reading (talk) 15:34, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Partly my fault. Three months ago I noticed that although the template had code to detect and categorise expired editnotices, it was never being actioned. I determined and fixed the immediate cause - a missing "s" - with this edit; but overlooked the code four lines below, which also had a missing "s" - it was 
|[[Category:Expired editnotice]] <!-- Notice expired -->
but probably should have been 
|[[Category:Expired editnotices]] <!-- Notice expired -->
Category:Expired editnotice didn't exist at the time, so I created it. Category:Expired editnotices has never existed. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:53, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
@John of Reading:, @Redrose64: Thank you both for your replies (and your past edits to the template). If one of you could correct the category name in the template (as indicated above) and create Category:Expired editnotices, then once the job queue has caught up and Category:Expired editnotice is empty, I'll nominate it for speedy deletion. Sound good? DH85868993 (talk) 00:00, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I edited the template and moved the category. The job queue took less than a minute to recategorise all the edit notices, which is encouraging. WP:CSD#C1 does not apply to category redirects, but perhaps Redrose64 would like to G6 the old name. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:35, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 11:57, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Namespace/Template text change

Hi all,

I have proposed a text change at Template talk:Editnotices/Namespace/Template. Feedback is very welcome.

Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 15:11, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

MediaWiki now has classes for edit notices

The task phab:T70749 was fixed by gerrit:154397, so maybe we could update this to use the new classes? Helder 15:05, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

  • @He7d3r: Interesting development. Although the added classes are not specific to a particular editnotice, so it can't be used to hide a particular editnotice in css I guess ? But now this can at least be done in js, we could mention this as well. Cenarium (talk) 12:29, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure that this is what you're referring to but you can already can hide specific editnotices (as long as they include a css id in {{editnotice}}), for example #UAA-edit-notice { display: none; } (in your .css file) hides the two editnotices at Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:54, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
      • I know, I've added ids myself, but it's not practical since one needs to have an id to start with and then to edits one's own css. Now a user doesn't need a specific id and can hide via js. With those generic ids for every editnotice, I think that we could make a gadget that allows to dismiss edit notices on a per page, per base or per namespace basis. It would add dismiss links, similarly to watchlist notices, handled by MediaWiki:Common.js/watchlist.js. The only thing I'm uncertain about is how to store the info. The watchlist uses cookies, but it wouldn't be permanent. Maybe it could automatically create and update a user subpage such as Special:MyPage/Dismissed editnotices.js (.js only to prevent others from editing it). Cenarium (talk) 13:28, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Change to Template:Base userpage editnotice

I'm not sure if this is the right place for this, the edit notice talk pages for user and user talk namespaces are empty and the village pump discussion for the creation seems to be over. The first fmbox on Template:Base userpage editnotice should link to WP:UP and WP:SOCIALNETWORK to give users a better understanding of what is and isn't allowed. What I'm proposing is changing is a place for limited autobiographical and personal content. to something along the lines of is a place for [[WP:UP|limited autobiographical and personal content]], it is '''not''' for [[WP:SOCIALNETWORK|social network content]]. If I put this in the wrong place yell at me on my talk page. PhantomTech (talk) 05:18, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit notice template for discussion

I've nominated {{Article style}} for discussion. Since this template has parameters for things that would be present in nearly every article, such as citations, dates, and words that are spelled differently in the US and UK, the logical inference is that it should be added as an edit notice to almost every article. Followers of this page may have an opinion about whether any edit notice intended for use on nearly all articles is appropriate. Jc3s5h (talk) 22:23, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Make use of MediaWiki:Editnotice-notext

Hi,

I've made some changes to Template:Editnotice load to make use of MediaWiki:Editnotice-notext instead of always outputting something even if the page has no notices. Previously it unconditionally outputted markup (falling back to a simple DIV element with some redlinks, made invisible via CSS by default, made visible to sysops).

To better support Wikipedia's edit notice system (phab:T91715) in MediaWiki, I implemented part of this into the core MediaWiki software. This allows gadgets, and tools using the API to know whether a page has an edit notice or not. This was previously not possible as there was no mechanical distinction between the template outputting a notice or the template outputting a red link to create a notice.

I've move this logic onto Template:Editnotice load/notext, called from the new MediaWiki:Editnotice-notext (supplementing MediaWiki:Editnotice-0, etc.). I also moved some of the core logic to Template:Editnotice load/content so that the core template can determine whether or not to output the wrapping DIV. I'd be open to finding a nicer way to go about this.

I've tested that Barack Obama, Wikipedia:Your first article, and Sandbox; still output their edit notice. And that e.g. Nutella or Foobrazkrink have no edit notice and output a native <div class="mw-editnotice-notext"> instead. Krinkle (talk) 21:05, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
This is broken. See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 135#New editnotice created, but it doesn't appear when the page is edited --Redrose64 (talk) 22:34, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Fixed. See relevant section at Village pump (technical). --Krinkle (talk) 05:16, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Is there any way to make Template:Editnotice load work without adding adding tons of pages to Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:35, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
@Plastikspork: Thanks, Fixed. Can I ask how you discovered this? There's over 50,000 pages in that category. Template:Editnotice load is only transcluded about 40 times. --Krinkle (talk) 04:58, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Standart edit notices

Shouldn't we have standart edit notices for particular things? For example, for natural disasters, plane crashes etc.? --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 14:37, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

@Edgars2007: {{Editnotice templates}} presents a bunch of templates that are used to create some standard edit notices. There's doesn't seem to be one for current events, though. Perhaps the article banners at Wikipedia:Template messages/General#Timing-related messages are enough? -- John of Reading (talk) 15:16, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
I think article banners aren't the same as edit notices, where you can tell people not to screw up article, generally speaking :) --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 15:20, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Editnotice for stub contest

I'd love to put an editnotice across WP about the Stub Contest, but worried it looks a bit COI if I do it. How do folks feel? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:31, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit permissions

I recently noticed an edit notice which I disagreed with but could not edit. While I can understand that {{Editnotices}} needs protection, do all the Template:Editnotices/Page/* subpages? Surely the risk of a vandal making an edit affecting 100s of pages is irrelevant on edit notices for individual pages? — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 20:19, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

@Blue-Haired Lawyer: Best course is to make an edit request to fix an editnotice. Mlpearc (open channel) 20:38, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
I have already done this, but you haven't answered my question. — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 20:49, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
All subpages of Template:Editnotices require the Template editor right to create or amend. It's controlled by the entry in MediaWiki:Titleblacklist that is preceded by the comment "# Editnotice pseudospace". --Redrose64 (talk) 21:32, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 4 August 2016

Can you please remove instances of "accountcreator-show" from the above two templates, since account creators have "tboverride-account" rather than "tboverride"?

GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

I've removed that class. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:06, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Other editors editing userpage editnotices and emailnotices

There's a thread at WP:VPT about userpage editnotices and emailnotices and their being editable by other editors here — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 18:36, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Editnotice for all pages in a given category?

Is it possible to create an editnotice that would appear whenever an editor creates a new talk page, if the corresponding article belongs to a certain category? Cheers! – Uanfala (talk) 19:40, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Template:Editnotice load

@Jon (WMF): Did you just remove all edit notices from mobile readers? Please provide more information. — xaosflux Talk 23:37, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

We've never shown this notice to mobile users (the mobile has a JavaScript editing client). However, today we enabled an editor for JavaScript disabled users. The default view for non-Js users is very cluttered (this is how it looks on an iPhone - https://imgur.com/a/DGUTl ) and needs a lot of love to avoid putting off would-be editors, but we should aim to make the JavaScript disabled and JavaScript views look the same to make editing as frictionless as possible. Any help cleaning it up and making it more editor friendly would be appreciated. Jdlrobson (talk)

Getting rid of edit notices?

There are a number of edit notices which seem like they should possibly be deleted. Examples could include:

In addition, while not necessarily being "extremely obvious", it appears that every song, album, and other article related to the band R.E.M. has an edit notice stating that the article is written in American English. This seems like overkill; R.E.M. is an American band and I don't know why editors might be more inclined to rewrite their related articles in British English rather than American English as compared to any other American musical group.

It's possible that there may be situations or information I am not aware of that would deter me from wanting to delete some of these edit notices. So if I'm missing something, please let me know. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:43, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

is it meant to pop up every single time the same editor goes to edit the same page?

Any way to turn it off or does it depend on browser settings or anything? Neurohz (talk) 13:38, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

No it cannot be turned off, our editors want to remind their colleagues of these important notes, every single time you open the editor. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:15, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

format change

The current format for these places a long notice superimposed over the page, hiding considerable amounts of the actual content. The change form the prior format where it did not overlap content seems to have happened in the last few days. Was it intended? It appears for example on my usertalk page, and I do not want it to display there.

1 is the change deliberate or an accidental error?
2 There must be some method in my css by which I can see instead the old format
3 How can a page be coded so it does not use this format?
4 In particular, how do I remove it from my talk page altogether. I will put what notices I think I need the top myself, formatted more helpfully. DGG ( talk ) 03:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
@DGG: I have no idea about most of the above, but I can tell you that your TP notice is at User talk:DGG/Editnotice and you can change it however you like (or delete it). You last edited it in 2012, but Pigsonthewing reduced the indent level of the first line last December (which I can’t imagine breaking anything). FWIW in this antique browser it looks the same on that page as in your TP’s edit window (both evidently respecting my custom CSS) and it doesn’t seem to ‘step on’ anything else.—Odysseus1479 04:17, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
seems to be OK now. DGG ( talk ) 04:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Active editnotice

I installed {{Active editnotice}} at Tourette syndrome yesterday, and it's not doing anything. Help? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:55, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

The documentation is wrong. It's apparently meant for talk pages where it will display a box but still not add Category:Pages with editnotices. It only has 227 uses and we have thousands of edit notices. It added Category:Articles with editnotices on articles until 2011 where the category was deleted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 November 1#Category:Articles with editnotices. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:48, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! I do see it works on article talk. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:42, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 21 November 2018

Per T209753, the "tboverride" right is now included as part of the "extendedmover" group, allowing page movers to create or edit editnotices. In both templates, each instance of sysop-show templateeditor-show should therefore be replaced with sysop-show templateeditor-show extendedmover-show. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, GeoffreyT2000🎄 (talk) 19:47, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done — xaosflux Talk 15:58, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Archive editnotice

Is there a way to make an editnotice that will appear on my user talk archive pages, but not my user talk page? — Puzzledvegetable (talk) 19:30, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

@Puzzledvegetable: yes, you can make a group notice at Template:Editnotices/Group/User talk:Puzzledvegetable and on that notice use {{When on basepage||Text for subpage only}}. — xaosflux Talk 20:02, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Search malfunctioning?

It looks like the search option on this talkpage is malfunctioning (does not search arvhives). -DePiep (talk) 09:30, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

The "Search archives" box works for me, e.g. searching "primehunter" [1] to find posts by me in Wikipedia talk:Editnotice/Archive 5 and Wikipedia talk:Editnotice/Archive 6. What is your search and what do you expect to find? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:46, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I searched for "Elephant" and got: [2]. I guess the word does not appear in these Archives at all, but the naswer "There is a page named "Elephant on Wikipedia" (or even: "You may create the page "Qwerty mnbv") is not an answer. Weird experience, but won't be changed I understand. -DePiep (talk) 16:04, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I also get "There were no results matching the query." on the next line. Don't you? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:11, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I did, but not as prominent as the non-answer. Very confusing, I was havign a line of thought in my head so not open to read secondary notes. A search term is semantically different than an article title, at least the lines should be reversed (answer first & foremost). But I can leave it here, no big deal. -DePiep (talk) 16:20, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
The message There is a page named "Elephant" on Wikipedia is made by MediaWiki:Searchmenu-exists. I don't think the message has access to the parameter &prefix=Wikipedia+talk%3AEditnotice%2F so it doesn't know whether the search was in mainspace. "There were no results matching the query." is made by MediaWiki:Search-nonefound. MediaWiki determines the order of the lines.[3] PrimeHunter (talk) 16:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
OK. I already acknowedged it will not be changed. Next time I hope it will be on my mind. I unfollow. -DePiep (talk) 16:43, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Incomprehensible

I tried to add an editnotice following the #Hotwo section, but ended up with creating a non-functioning Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Template:Largest Israeli cities. Please make documentation and reality congruent. -DePiep (talk) 09:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

I have moved it to Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:Largest Israeli cities without "talk". I'm not sure what you mean by "the #Hotwo section". PrimeHunter (talk) 11:33, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Thx. #Hotwo == #Howto, as in Wikipedia:Editnotice#How_to_request_an_editnotice. -DePiep (talk) 12:23, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Editnotice#Other namespaces says: "Editnotices for other namespaces and for user subpages can be created and edited only by admins, template editors, and page movers." That's why others have to request it on a talk page they can edit. You were a template editor earlier but not now. You missed the step about adding {{edit template-protected}} so your suggested edit notice could be reviewed. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:39, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Factually you are right: "proven: it is in the doc [somewhere] so your complaint is idle". However, going by the TOC I am very right to click the "How to" section. What you are pointing out (unknowingly we understand) is that the "who", "where" and "how" TOC entrances are mixed up. IOW, me going by TOC, this is not my error. The WP:EDITNOTICE page & /doc is a chaos. -DePiep (talk) 22:16, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
The second line of the opening paragraph says "... only administrators, page-movers and template editors can create editnotices." Did you skip that and think you could create the editnotice without requesting it? What you call the Howto section is actually called "How to request an editnotice". That should be a strong hint that you are making a request and not creating the actual editnotice. If you clicked that section in the TOC then you got to the right place with the right instructions. You just omitted the last step:
  • Finally, place this template: {{edit template-protected}} at the top of the page, and when you are satisfied (use preview) that everything is correct, save the page.
PrimeHunter (talk) 23:31, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Core question again: do you actually state that Wikipedia:Editnotice is a great leading & documenting page or not? I myself got distracted & mislead (even by TOC only). -DePiep (talk) 23:45, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Maybe not great but it looks OK to me. I haven't contributed to it. You can edit the page or make specific suggestions. Vague suggestions like "make documentation and reality congruent" are hard to act on when you don't say how you think they are incongruent. They look congruent to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:58, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Adding to enterprise wikis

How do I enable this on enterprise wikis? --PhotographerTom (talk) 21:11, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

@PhotographerTom: this is built in functionality. The default edit notices are loaded to the namespace numbers (e.g. these). We take those and place conditional templates to make it easier to deal with here. — xaosflux Talk 21:27, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: - Thanks you for the reply! Since all of Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Editnotice have Template:Editnotice load, I have copied it over to our wiki and used the template on our MediaWiki:Editnotice-2 (User pages). I have also copied over Template:Base userpage editnotice, but I am still not seeing Page notice on userpages when editing them. Any suggestions? --PhotographerTom (talk) 16:52, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
@PhotographerTom: we have parts of this coming from subpages, see also Template:Editnotice load/content and Template:Editnotice load/core. Note also, we hide and unhide these with css. — xaosflux Talk 17:22, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: Thank you for trying to help! We had copied all of those templates directly from Wikipedia and pages like MediaWiki:Editnotice-2 are still showing up blank. Do you have any idea why that might be the case? --PhotographerTom (talk) 21:11, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Is the page notice not showing, the edit link, or both? — xaosflux Talk 21:22, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
For example, put anything in MediaWiki:editnotice-0 and see if it appears when editing anything in your "main" namespace. — xaosflux Talk 21:27, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 23 July 2019

Make this change as discussed on MediaWiki_talk:Common.css#Cleaning_up_message_box_CSS. All content added into the system messages by this loader template has gone through the wikicode parser and should thus be wrapped with the mw-parser-output class. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 21:22, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done — xaosflux Talk 22:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello?

Is anyone home? I have requested an edit-notice at Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Global warming, but have not yet seen any response. Someone please let me know if that should be done differently. Or should I get template-editor status and do it myself? ♦ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 21:38, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

J. Johnson Try adding {{edit template-protected|answered=no}} above your request. Cabayi (talk) 21:52, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
I'll do that. Thank you. ♦ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:05, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Mobile

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T201595

Are these types of notices not visible to mobile? I happened to notice that Cary Grant has a "Page notice" that's supposed to be visible when you edit... but it doesn't seem to appear on mobile at all. --Laser brain (talk) 13:33, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@Laser brain: I just checked the article using Safari under iOS and I don't see the notice either. —DocWatson42 (talk) 02:56, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
This is phab:T201595. — xaosflux Talk 03:51, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 25 April 2020

Add "{{Sandbox other ||" after <includeonly> and "}}" before </includeonly> to comply with WP:CAT#T using template:Sandbox other. VanIsaacWScont 01:07, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

To editor VanIsaac:  done. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 03:36, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Allow everyone to edit their userpage's group notice?

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T124379

It'd be nice to allow everyone to edit their user page's and user talk page's group notice, not just edit notice, in case they have subpages they'd like for it to appear on. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 17:42, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sdkb: the notices should probably be fixed in a larger manner, see phab:T201613 and especially phab:T124379. — xaosflux Talk 18:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Agreed that larger changes are probably needed. Glad to see it's at least a known issue and hopefully being worked on! {{u|Sdkb}} talk 18:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Issues with the talk page template that indicates the presence of an edit notice

 You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Active editnotice#Issues with this template. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 05:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Should it really be so hard to remove an edit notice?

I am trying to remove the edit notice from List of Anglican church composers because it's clearly overkill and factually incorrect, and discourages new editors. I find that this requires a TfD discussion which, on a lightly edited article such as this is likely only to involve those with no experience with editing that article. Shouldn't it be easier to remove such notices, perhaps via a PROD-type process?

There is probably a similar problem with it being too hard to add such notices to articles. It seems the only reason List of Anglican church composers has that edit notice is that someone long ago decided to add the notice to a batch of lists. But this was a one-off event, and most newer lists of people created since then that could perhaps be better served by such a notice such e.g. List of drag queens lack any kind of notice at all. Allowing page editors to add and remove notices (but not edit them) would certainly improve things. ----Pontificalibus 05:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Pontificalibus: these are normally added by admins for reasons - did you try asking the admin that added it? — xaosflux Talk 11:31, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: The adding admin IronGargoyle contributed to the TfD, but gave no reason for adding it and did not address any of my reasoning for it's proposed removal. I don't understand why experienced non-admin editors who have a clear rationale for adding or removing an edit notice should find it so difficult to achieve anything. I would have thought that a PROD or CSD type process where the adding or removing of the notice need only be waved through with a brief admin check would be the solution. ----Pontificalibus 11:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
@Pontificalibus: I meant to ask if you discussed with them prior to the TfD - now that it is in a TfD that should continue. Another good place for discussion of a specific edit notice would be on the related article's talk page - if a discussion there supports adjusting or removing a routine edit request can be added and a patrolling template admin may come by (sometimes these can just be blanked). — xaosflux Talk 12:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Calculating Edit notice effectiveness using preview page stats

Editors of this page may be interested in the following discussion at the Village pump: WP:VPT#Calculating Edit notice effectiveness using preview page stats. Your feedback there would be welcome. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 20:37, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Simon Baker

Hello, there are two identical edit notices at the Simon Baker article. We're wondering how to trim one of them. Many thanks. Dawnseeker2000 12:29, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Dawnseeker2000,  Done. {{BLP editintro}} is automatically applied to pages in a category of living people, but in this case it was also manually specified, making it appear twice. I've removed the manual transclusion, so now it appears as it should. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 14:12, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

What to do about expired editnotices?

We've got a category full of them. Most of these obviously cannot be used again, like Template:Editnotices/Page/Captain America: Civil War, since they were only applicable for a certain period of time back in 2015. {{Editnotice}} visually hides them due to their |expiry= setting, but they do just linger in the tracking category. Noting the phab ticket to implement editnotices on mobile, we should probably make a greater effort to make them succient and remove unnecessary/unused ones. Thus, should editnotices in this tracking category be cleaned up? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:16, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@ProcrastinatingReader: so for Category:Expired editnotices, yes they should be cleaned up, in some situations they may still appear even though they are expired. I think they should probably just be blanked instead of deleted, so there is a record that they were there - sounds like an easy enough job for a bot. Float support that "expired edit notices should be blanked" around for a little bit, then ask over at WP:BOTREQ and somone will probably make a bot for this. — xaosflux Talk 13:30, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Xaosflux, I can probably get around to making the bot. Where do I need to float support for this? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:31, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
@ProcrastinatingReader: it doesn't seem like an overly broad problem, and if it is just going to blank expired ones I don't think it needs a ton of support. This page seems fine, maybe drop a discussion notice to this discussion at: Category talk:Expired editnotices and Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). If noone chimes in after a week (or once a consensus is met if there is discussion) drop a WP:BRFA to trial something. — xaosflux Talk 13:56, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
That sounds like an encouragement to produce a lot of blank pages. If expired editnotices don't display, then blanking them after expiry does not alter the experience for the average editor. For the gnomes, it removes the editnotice from Category:Expired editnotices and puts them ... where? Have any editnotices (blanked or otherwise) been sent to WP:TFD, and if so, what was the outcome? If they were deleted, why should we not do that again? If there are lots of similar deletions to consider, could we ask for a new T criterion at WT:CSD? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:02, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Lots of TfD precedent, eg [4][5][6][7][8] for various unused reasons. More in search & probably many more as G6. Result was always delete, but blank side had reasonable arguments too. Either is fine with me. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:58, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
@Redrose64: FWIW, if your javascript fails - they still show (just like how dismissed watchlist notices, etc show) - not a huge deal, and I'm not strongly against deletion either. — xaosflux Talk 23:26, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Delete, don't blank. Keeping them after blanking means they still need maintenance (if the page is moved, they need to be moved too, for example). I don't think they come up frequently enough to warrant a new speedy criterion, but would support an initial mass TfD, followed by ongoing TfD's for each one that expires. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Way too bureaucratic, and it would leave deletion of a particular editnotice up to the few participants one day at TfD. We need a real way to deal with these. I doubt this needs a new CSD if we want to delete rather than blank, because deletion would fall under WP:G6 (as it is indeed non-controversial housekeeping to delete an expired editnotice). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:38, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I'd be fine with G6 too. UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:49, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Just a note that if we're going with deletion, an admin will need to manually process that category and clean it up. There's only one page of notices, so I think someone could easily do it in a sweep, but a bot wouldn't be helpful here. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:41, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Any update on what we want to do here? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:37, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
ProcrastinatingReader, it would leave deletion of a particular editnotice up to the few participants one day at TfD it seems like the deletion was left only up to just you and this is what happened, hundreds of pages were deleted in a minute. Liz Read! Talk! 00:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Liz, after I had no response here, I took the matter to TfD, here. There is a substantial consensus there, as well as plenty of past precedent each year at TfD, that these should be G6'd. That it resulted in lots of deletions is just the fact that there were a lot of unmaintained editnotices, leftover 6 years. List #3 is explicitly supported for deletion by WP:PMRC#8, and list #1 (of blanked editnotices) was supported at TfD, and rough support above, as well as past discussions. I do not think any of those deletions are improper, minus the few errors due to miscommunication. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 01:07, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Community wishlist proposal to make editnotices visible on mobile

 You are invited to join the discussion at meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2021/Mobile and apps/Mobile editnotices. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 09:11, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Redlinks

Why editnotices documentation can't be publicly editable

Some namespace editnotices have documentation, and they can't be edited as they are blocked by the blacklist. I think we should resolve this one by putting the whitelist for docs and sandboxes, as templates can't be directly cascade-protected as it would protect the documentation. Thingofme (talk) 02:33, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Removing editnotices?

Hi there! What's the procedure for removing editnotices? I blanked one here after a request on the talk page, but are they usually deleted, or something else? Thanks so much! 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 21:45, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@EpicPupper: it goes both ways. Blanking is fine as far as editor are concerned. Generally, I think they are worth keeping, or at least moving to the talk page - so that there is a history that an edit notice was in place that people can read up on. For non-article ones that are up for some special temporary purposes, deletion is usually fine. This is more of one of those case-by-case things. If the page it was displayed on is actually deleted, than they can be speedied as well. — xaosflux Talk 22:46, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Showing edit notices on all platforms?

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T201595

Is there a version of this that shows the edit notice on mobile and app, not just desktop?

"Desktop only" visibility seems a bit limited, when the whole aim is to advise editors of a type of edit to avoid that's been problematic throughout an article, as I imagine a majority of editors will use mobile/app.

If not, has it explicitly been discussed and rejected as a possible feature, or is that worthwhile? Or is there a better way?

Thanks!

FT2 (Talk | email) 13:54, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@FT2: see phab:T201595 for ongoing development on that problem. — xaosflux Talk 14:24, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Movable editnotice

Hi! Seems like it would be an ideal solution, but perhaps not possible. Basically, across a few different projects, there are issues with people breaking WP:LIVESCORES, which can be quite harmful, usually when statistics and such get updated twice, and usually that articles get thousands of edits just updating numbers. I have tried all sorts of things to inform regular users about this, but perhaps an edit notice would be a good way to do this. The thing is, it's only suitable for events in progress, so wouldn't be for a group and wouldn't be necessary for events that had concluded. This might be unlikely, but I thought I'd ask about it. It's a common issue across any events that have in-play scores, things like cue sports, football and rugby. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I did this for some of the pages relating to the 2014 FIFA World Cup (such as 2014 FIFA World Cup Group A), but the editnotices (such as Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup Group A) have since been deleted, as has the original request - which was at Template talk:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup#Template-protected edit request on 11 June 2014 (participants: Qed237, myself and 97079). Basically, all you need in each editnotice is {{Livescores editnotice‎|expiry=hh:mm, dd Mmm ccyy (UTC)}} where hh:mm, dd Mmm ccyy is a valid timestamp in the future - such as the day after the end of the tournament. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
The upcoming world cup was part of the idea behind this. I'm aware I could create this (and as administrator, it wouldn't need a template request...) But I was thinking about this being a bit of a more permanent thing. If there would be little backlash about it, I would create one for the upcoming 2022 World Snooker Championship. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:29, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
It seems to have originated at Talk:2014 FIFA World Cup/Archive 4#Livescores and live updates - you need to uncollapse that box. Notifying Soerfm, Qed237, 97079 and Walter Görlitz. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Also Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 86#Live scores, the next step?, so hello Koppapa, Bladeboy1889, Blethering Scot, GiantSnowman, HandsomeFella and Egghead06. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
The UEFA Champions League was the source of the idea starting in 2012 or 2013 I believe, but it came to fruition with that World Cup edition. What exactly would a movable edit notice do and how would it help over and against a page that can be created temporarily? Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
The idea for me, would be that we would have a set message for not updating live scores, but be able to change it between major topics. I suppose you could just create and delete a page over and over again, but would make more sense to me to have one ready in draft space, then move to suitable topics when they begin. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:01, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
How would that be different from {{Livescores editnotice}}? It is ready now. Either way, you would need to request than an admin add either a page with the template or a page that is in draft space to the page you are editing. The difference is, drafts have to be worked on or they are deleted while a template has to go through a deletion process first. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:29, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
If we have something already, and there's consensus to use it on anticipated highly edited articles, then that's no issue. I'll add to the snooker event that starts tomorrow, I'm expecting (as always) a high amount of live updates. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:20, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Editnotice documentation/sandbox

Non-TEs can't edit editnotices documentation or sandbox page. Thingofme (talk) 01:27, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Requesting example editnotice request

I just went through this page to try and figure out how to request an editnotice be added to a page, and I found the instructions for how to make such a request very confusing. It would be very helpful if you might add examples to those instructions using a fake pagename to better illustrate where the editnotice text and request should (rather than "talkpagename" and other terms that were hard to follow).

e.g.: instead of "Place this code on the page: [[{{editnotice talkpagename}}]]" something like "Place this code on the page: [[{{editnotice talkpagename}}]]. For instance, for a page named 'History of Wikipedia', the code should read [[{{editnotice Talk:History of Wikipedia}}]]"... and so on.

I would do it myself but I'm afraid I misunderstood the directions and don't want to add incorrect examples! Thanks. Lamacha9617 (talk) 23:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Editnotice not appearing

I just created Template:Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox/shared doc/Editnotice.

Why is it not displayed when I edit Template:Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox/shared doc? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl: I think that's the wrong page name. Using {{editnotice pagename}}, [[{{editnotice pagename|page=Template:Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox/shared doc}}]] -> Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox/shared doc -- John of Reading (talk) 19:31, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Resolved
Bless you, @John of Reading. You are entirely right.
And duh@me. I re-created the editnotice as a template per your suggestion, and all is now working fine. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:28, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
@BrownHairedGirl: For future ref, and since you are a templateeditor: when at a page for which you want to create an editnotice, go into the source editor for either the page or the section. Somewhere above the edit box, and against the right margin, you should see two links: "Group notice" and "Page notice", which may be red or blue. If you click the "Page notice" one, you will be taken directly to the correctly-named editnotice page. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:09, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, @Redrose64. I just tested that, and found those links. It will be easier to remember that trick than to remember the formula. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:21, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Editnotices/Page/World War II

Template:Editnotices/Page/World War II has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. 65.92.244.127 (talk) 05:50, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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