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Najmuddin of Gotzo and Uzun-Hajji

... that although Uzun-Hajji and Najmuddin of Gotzo (both pictured) were originally political allies, they later fought on opposing sides of the Russian Civil War?
... that rebel fighters pursued their fleeing enemies during the Battle of Kembogo because they wanted new boots?
... that Abdul Ahad Azad is recognised for laying the foundations of literary criticism in Kashmiri literature?
... that Episode 7921 of Neighbours featured Australia's first televised fictional same-sex wedding since the country voted in favour of legalising same-sex marriage?
... that the 2024 Summer Paralympics opening ceremony featured dancing Phryges?
... that Albert Bumgardner's design for an architectural press office was highly publicized in the architectural press?
... that the song "You Liked This (Okay, Computer!)" features the former text-to-speech voice of TikTok?
... that drivers "dodge[d] track blemishes" more than each other during the first race at the Charlotte Motor Speedway?
... that football coach Dim Montero was considered such a great recruiter that it was said he "could pick up a rock and find an outstanding football prospect"?

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Articles created/expanded on July 11

...that the Glass Pavilion was the first building made of glass bricks that was of importance? new artilce, self nom by --Doug ^talk 15:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
...that notable residents of Colonnade Row included John Jacob Astor IV, Washington Irving and Cornelius Vanderbilt? self nom, new article created this week by _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 14:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(alt) ...that La Grange Terrace, now known as Colonnade Row was named after General Lafayette's country estate? still me, still new _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 14:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(alt) ...that the remaining buildings of Colonnade Row were among the first to be landmarked when New York City began doing so in 1965? me again _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 14:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...that Selenochlamys ysbryda or the Ghost slug, was recently found in Wales and that it's new to science? Unlike other garden slugs Ysbryda has a taste for flesh, blindly hunting for earthworms at night using its blade shaped teeth. -- self-nom, new article (July 10th) expanded 11th. Requested a GFDL picture from the National Museum of Wales. MattOates (Ulti) (talk) 12:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article is currently 1198 characters. An ALT hook that flows a little better is: "...that Selenochlamys ysbryda or the Ghost slug, a recently discovered slug found in Wales, has a taste for flesh, blindly hunting for earthworms at night using its blade shaped teeth?" Thingg^⊕^⊗ 14:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...that the German Mine Sweeping Administration, a naval mine sweeping organisation existing from 1945 to 1948, made up of former members of the Kriegsmarine of Nazi Germany, was under command of the Royal Navy? self-nom, new article EA210269 (talk) 06:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Mesotherium ("Middle beast") (skull pictured) was called "Typotherium" from the late 1800s to the early 1900s? Self-nom, fivefold expansion from the 10th to the 11th. I called the Warner sister "Dottie" and lived to tell the tale! (talk) 03:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: ...that Mesotherium ("middle beast") (skull pictured) was so named because its discoverer believed it was an intermediate between rodents and pachyderms? Thingg^⊕^⊗ 14:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Temple Sinai, a Reform synagogue in Oakland, California, grew out of Oakland's Hebrew Benevolent Society in 1875? (created by User:Jayjg, nominated by User:Masterpiece2000) Masterpiece2000 (talk) 03:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that an owner of the DeForest Skinner House was once the youngest railroad director in the United States? (self-nom)--Bedford ^Pray 01:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Croaking Tetra has a supplementary breathing organ located above its gills which makes a sound when it comes to the surface to gulp air? - self nom House of Scandal (talk) 02:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 10

... that miners living in Sego, Utah bought out the coal mine they worked for? (self-nom) Ntsimp (talk) 03:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that journeyman infielder Mike Cervenak spent nine years in the minor leagues before getting his first call-up to the Philadelphia Phillies? (self-nomination) KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that an Indianapolis architect was sent to Château de Malmaison to replicate a copy of it in Indianapolis' Washington Park neighborhood? (self-nom)--Bedford ^Pray 20:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Boreray is the most critically endangered breed of sheep in the United Kingdom, according to the Rare Breeds Survival Trust? Selfnom VanTucky 19:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Pleistodontes froggatti, the fig wasp that pollinates the Moreton Bay fig, was intentionally introduced into Hawaii in 1921? self-nom, new article. Guettarda (talk) 18:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Dr David Moor admitted in a press interview to having helped up to 300 ill patients to die? -- new article, self-nom Malick78 (talk) 16:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Mangalitsa (pictured) is a lard-type pig breed that was the most prominent swine breed in Hungary until 1950? (self-nom) --Aloysius (talk) 15:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that McDonald Clarke (pictured), the mad poet of Broadway, was innocent as a child, met a sorry end drowned in prison after being cruelly tricked in love, but was celebrated by Walt Whitman? - new article self nom by --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't everyone (save perhaps Rhoda Penmark) "innocent as a child"? Suggest alt tag: ... that McDonald Clarke, known as the "mad poet of Broadway", drowned in prison after being subjected to an elaborate prank? (the nickname needs to be sourced, preferably by a non-subscription site) Otto4711 (talk) 04:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll source the nickname this evening. most adults are not innocent as a child, but I'm happy with the suggested revision. --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I was misreading this. I thought you were saying "as a child, he was innocent" but you're saying "as an adult he had child-like innocence." Otto4711 (talk) 12:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You could have it read "...of Broadway, was as innocent as a child, met..." to avoid confusion. I was thinking the same thing as Otto when I read it... Thingg^⊕^⊗ 14:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that fossil collectors often call Polyptychoceras vancouverensis the "paperclip ammonite" or the "candy cane", due to its shape? Self-nom; fivefold expansion. I called the Warner sister "Dottie" and lived to tell the tale! (talk) 01:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... the holy Veil of the Virgin kept once in the Church of St. Mary of Blachernae (pictured) in Istanbul was considered by the Byzantines a powerful talisman? (self-nom) Alex2006 (talk) 06:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that "Gizzie" and "Slit" are two alternative common names for the Little Lorikeet (pictured) of eastern Australia? ...exp 5-fold. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 9

...that the Italian mountain Cimon della Pala appears on the coat of arms of the Guardia di Finanza (pictured)? self-nom by Xn4 (talk) 16:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...that A Driver for Vera, Ukraine's submission for the 77th Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film, was rejected because too much of the production was based in Russia? (self-nom) Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 09:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I assume the movie is the nomination; I bolded it. Length and date ok, hook verified, and indieWire seems like a reliable source. Lampman (talk) 13:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that in 1837 Nathaniel Parker Willis won 1000 dollars from Josephine Clifton (pictured) by writing Bianca Visconti for her to perform? (new article by User:Epousesquecido, nom by ++Lar: t/c) 05:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that although he did not have any royal connections, G. S. Khaparde earned the moniker "Nawab of Berar" because of his personal and political influence in the Central Indian Province? [[::User: rueben_lys| rueben_lys]] ([[::User talk: rueben_lys|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/ rueben_lys|contribs]]) 21:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)Self nom
... that Jogaila arrested and imprisoned his 80-year old uncle Kęstutis when he arrived for negotiations during the Lithuanian Civil War? self-nom, Renata (talk) 05:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the ABC documentary television program Our World was often assigned to students as homework, with ABC distributing 39,000 study guides a month? (new article, self nom) Otto4711 (talk) 03:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that there is only one known case of a viable triplet pregnancy in a patient with a uterus didelphys? de-stub, self-nom Ekem (talk) 23:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that an eclectic castle (pictured) in a small village of Moszna in Poland has exactly 99 turrets and 365 rooms? self-nom, needs some copy-editing, I'm afraid, to make the language more natural. --Kasjanek21 (talk) 21:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Image, 5X expansion, and reference ("Zamek posiada ogółem 365 pomieszczeń i 99 wież i wieżyczek.")[1] verified. The article is based on three sources. I'm not sure whether Adamski.pl and Moszna.Zamek.pl qualify as Wikipedia reliable sources. The info from the corresponding Moszna article at Polish Wikipedia doesn't qualify as a Wikipedia reliable source. -- GregManninLB (talk) 22:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - All the information provided are the same as those I have found in a info bulletin that can be bought in the castle. Moszna.Zamek.pl is the official website for the sanatorium that owns the castle and so these information seem reliable. --Kasjanek21 (talk) 06:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the newly inscribed Saryarqa — Steppe and Lakes of Northern Kazakhstan is the only natural World Heritage site in Kazakhstan? (self-nom) Otebig (talk) 18:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The article should be 1,500 DYK characters (there now are 542 DYK charactes) and the hook fact should appear in the article with an inline citation. GregManninLB (talk) 19:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Added the hook to the article and more info, links, and template. I think it's an acceptable length for a DYK article (I've seen some with less). Otebig (talk) 20:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - The length now is 887 DYK characters. The source didn't mention anything about the site being the only natural World Heritage site in Kazakhstan. Please provide a link to verify the hook. Also, you might be able to find more information for the article here and here. GregManninLB (talk) 22:17, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the poem Płyniesz Olzo po dolinie, by Polish poet and educator Jan Kubisz (pictured), became the unofficial anthem of Cieszyn Silesia? self-nom by Darwinek (talk) 17:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please make some English-language copyedit. Much appreciated. - Darwinek (talk) 17:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I copyedited the article. GregManninLB (talk) 19:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Bartholomew Gilbert is blamed for the failure to establish an English colony on Cape Cod in 1602? new article, self nom. House of Scandal (talk) 16:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: If this attempt hadn't failed, it would have been the first English colony in North America. He returned to North America a few years later to search for the missing Roanoke Colonists and got himself killed by the local natives. Feel free to suggest alternative hooks but be sure to keep 'em short and sweet. - House of Scandal (talk) 16:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length verified. I couldn't find in the source where Gilbert was "blamed" for the failure. Gooking and his men returned to England because Gilbert stinted the original provisions, but the return to England was viewed as a wise decision. Gilbert may have been responsible for the failure, but I'm not sure whether anyone blamed him. GregManninLB (talk) 19:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for paying attention. Indeed, I may have drew too much inference from the text (But after it was learned that Gilbert had already stinted on the original provisions, all hands decided to return to England with him. Gookin’s opinion of Gilbert based on this suggests that Gosnold had made a wise decision) and totally support rewording of the hook and the article's header as my fellow editors see fit.-House of Scandal (talk) 20:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and reference verified for agreeded upon ALT HOOK: "... that Bartholomew Gilbert is responsible for the failure to establish an English colony on Cape Cod in 1602?" -- GregManninLB (talk) 20:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great, I am happy with that. If anyone doesn't agree "...in 1603, Bartholomew Gilbert went ashore in Virginia to search for missing members of the lost Roanoke Colony?" or (if not too long) "...in 1603, Bartholomew Gilbert went ashore in Virginia to search for the lost Roanoke Colony and was killed by Algonquians?" are two more suggestions. - House of Scandal (talk) 23:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Watts Station (pictured), a "Red Car" depot built in 1904, was the only structure that remained intact along the thoroughfare that became known as "Charcoal Alley" during the Watts Riots? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 15:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
alt: ... that Watts Station (pictured) became a symbol of hope and renewal as the only building to remain intact along the throughfare that became known as "Charcoal Alley" during the Watts Riots? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 22:57, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Fitzroy Football Club was so impressed by school boy Allan Ruthven's skill and potential he was given guernsey number 7, made famous by triple Brownlow medalist Haydn Bunton? (5x expansion & self-nom) Spy007au (talk) 13:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite a five-fold expansion (953 to 4241 characters) Also, note that the current hook is slightly too long at 208 characters. Thingg^⊕^⊗ 17:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have reduced hook to under 200 characters. Spy007au (talk) 21:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have added additional information to the article, it should now be a 5x expansion. Spy007au (talk) 08:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, and ref verified. Thingg^⊕^⊗ 17:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question - is "Fitzroy" really well enough known that people will understand it means "Fitzroy Football Club"? Otto4711 (talk) 22:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it should be changed if possible to fit the hook under the 200 characters. Spy007au (talk) 22:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I made some changes that resulted in a net gain of 8 characters. Trying to count text characters makes me dizzy; is it still under 200? Otto4711 (talk) 23:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Joseph Nathan Kane wrote in his library reference book Famous First Facts that George Washington was not the first person to be known as the president of the United States?" expanded article five-fold by --Doug ^talk 12:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(alternate)... that Joseph Nathan Kane had personal possession of American's first fountain pen and the 1849 patent model for American's first safety pin? by --Doug ^talk 12:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Nathan Kane doesn't say that the books says Washington was not the first US President. It says that he was "not the first person to be known as the president of the United States." Otto4711 (talk) 22:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are exactly correct - changed hook to reflect that wording. Will that work for you? --Doug ^talk 22:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Beauty. Otto4711 (talk) 23:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that microbial mats increase our understanding of evolution by helping to preserve soft-bodied animals and soft parts of hard-shelled animals? (article expanded, self-nom) -- Philcha (talk) 11:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that members of Scottish clans wear a sprig of a particular plant, known as a clan badge, to identify their affiliation? -- new article self-nom by Celtus (talk) 09:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Can it be reworded not to repeat "clan" three times? Renata (talk) 07:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I changed one clan to "affiliation". Otto4711 (talk) 23:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, sorry about my poor writing, you're right. Thanks Otto4711.--Celtus (talk) 09:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Victorian mountaineer Francis Fox Tuckett (pictured) kept fit by daily walks to and from Bristol after which he regularly ate apple tart for his tea? (new article, self-nom) Ericoides (talk) 07:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Harold's Steer-In in Indianapolis' North Irvington Gardens Historic District was the site of a 2005 MasterCard commerical featuring star quarterback Peyton Manning? (self-nom)--Bedford ^Pray 07:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would you please improve the formatting of your references, replacing bare URLs? It would be worth noting in the main reference, by the way, that it includes 18 color photos of houses in the district. doncram (talk) 13:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, while I agree with doncram that better references would certainly improve the article, in this case I am more concerned with the poor writing. There are multiple grammatical problems. I found reading through the article very jarring, and stopped several times trying to figure things out. Among the general awkwardness, I note a missing period, incomplete and run-on sentences and an "an" that should be an "a". I have in the past admired this editor's work, so I'm not sure what's up with this. Lvklock (talk) 16:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I did write in very late at night/early in morning. If there is any problems with sentence structure, it's because I am avoiding copyvio, and too often the best way to phrase something would be the original sources terms, which would be copyvio.--Bedford ^Pray 17:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did fix the typos, btw.--Bedford ^Pray 21:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that more than 50 congressional candidates have endorsed "A Responsible Plan to End the War in Iraq", and the legislation the plan recommends already exists in various committees in the U.S. Congress? -- new article self-nom by Dankirkd (talk) 05:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Severe neutrality problems.--Bedford ^Pray 05:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please elaborate. The document the article is about is not neutral, but the article itself attempts to be very neutral. But then again, the Iraq Study Group Report is not a neutral document either. -Dankirkd (talk) 05:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It reads like campaign propaganda. Plus, that image can not be on the front page, as its not free use, but fair use.--Bedford ^Pray 05:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So the image is removed. Again, it appears you're attacking the document. -Dankirkd (talk) 06:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree with Bedford on this one. Although the article does a fine job explaining what the plan is and who supports it, it does not address any opposition to it and is definitely not balanced in that it focuses exclusively on one view (the favorable one) of the plan. I'm sorry, but the article in it's current state does not meet the requirement that "all Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing significant views fairly, proportionately, and without bias." Thingg^⊕^⊗ 17:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length verified. As for the hook, the use of "Responsible" should be removed since it is POV. Perhaps "Burner Plan" should be used in the hook. The hook implies that the Burner Plan is legislation pending before Congress but in fact is nothing more than campaign promises latched onto by candidates looking to distinguish themselves temporarily from their political opponent. Candidates supporting legislation should be changed to the number of members of congress who are on the record of supporting the Burner Plan without qualification. In regards to the article, the above comments address its POV issues. However, as for proportionately representing significant views within Wikipedia, there probably is much more info on the pro side than the con side since commitment to the "plan" does not really require much accountable commitment. For what its worth, I think the article itself attempts to be neutral (not quite there yet) but the topic itself is so POV that it may be difficult for an admin to list it on the main page. You have five days before the DYK suggestion is moved into expired noms. If you work on the concerns raised, please post back here. GregManninLB (talk) 18:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the concerns on POV. I have tried to create a neutral article on an obviously unneutral document that has received predominantly positive coverage, making it hard to present both sides in equal proportions. The section that most references national press coverage could be expanded to pick out some of the pros and cons those articles present. The problem with the name of the plan is unfortunate since that's the name of the plan, not my own POV. I am not passing judgement by referring to the plan by name, but I think we collectively do pass judgement if we try to come up with another way to reference it. Saying something like "the so-called 'Responsible Plan...' ..." might be more appropriate, just as we allow the use of No Child Left Behind Act. -Dankirkd (talk) 21:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article does have some problems but the hook is fine and it definitely meets the criteria... I don't see why the fact that it is a political article would matter and it does have neutrality problems still but nothing so pervasive as to make it unsuitable for DYK. I think it's better (and definitely better , more organized source) than many of the DYK so I think we're being overly picky only because of the subject matter. gren グレン 21:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but if it has neutrality problems, then it can't go on the front page, no matter how good the hook is.--Bedford ^Pray 21:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the 2001 feature film Cupid's Mistake was produced on a budget of $980? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 18:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Hook verified[2]. However, without the quotes, I get 1,385 DYK characters. Another sentence or two may push it over the 1,500 character limit. You might find more info at Google books and Google news. The footnote style could use some improvement, but that's not a DYK requirement. GregManninLB (talk) 18:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fixed - please double check. Additional text has been added to help the article make the grade. Please re-review. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 21:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Length (1,657 DYK characters without quotes) and hook verified[3]. GregManninLB (talk) 21:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Bob Allen, while in his rookie year, was one of fourteen pitchers under the age of thirty on a young Cleveland Indians baseball team?- Expanded fivefold. Modeled after Pete Young and Steve Adkins, two DYKs.--LAA Fan 18:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I don't think this hook is all that exciting. If he was the only one under the thirty, it might work, but one out of fourteen? Sorry LAA, but not very interesting. Can you try to find something else? Thanks, RyRy (talk) 20:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
5X expansion (229 to 1,663) confirmed. However, the article is sourced to baseballreference.com, which I am not sure is a Wikipedia reliable source. Also, the article seems to be a synthesis of published statistics. GregManninLB (talk) 22:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't really find more info, so I'll fight for the current hook. Baseball reference is a reliable website. For examples, see DYKs Pete Young and Steve Adkins. As for the stats, I think the information is okay to leave in there. The main body text talks about year by years stats, while the infobox provides overall stats. Again, I'm just fighting for the hook. I can understand if it doesn't meet standards, I'm just giving it a shot. Also, if you need another hook, I have an alternate one.--LAA Fan 03:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

5X expansion (229 to 1,663) confirmed and the DYK hook is supported by the cited sources. A team having fourteen pitchers at the same time seems interesting. The baseballreference.com sourcing issue still remains. WP:Verifiability says: "All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." The info in the article probably is not likely to be challenged. In the end, it will be up to a DYK admin as to whether they want to list this hook on the Main Page. GregManninLB (talk) 16:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 8

... that Union Army officer Frank A. Haskell’s account of the Battle of Gettysburg was hailed by historian Bruce Catton as "one of the genuine classics of Civil War literature"? -- new article by Kingwhick (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 17:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...that in the center of the Old Town Market Place in Warsaw is the The Warsaw Mermaid Statue along with other Warsaw Old Town attractions?

or

...that the four sides of the Old Town Market Place in Warsaw are named after the most famous Polish parliamentarians? Martim33 (talk) 12:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...that Alex Perelson is the youngest professional skaterboarder in the vert field? - This article is current going through an AfD debate but it's going to emerge just fine. Please consider it for DYK when the debate closes. I thought this might be a cool DYK for "the cool kids" (of whom I am not one!) User:Hellokittymouth was the original creator. - House of Scandal (talk) 08:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Electrosport was a UD$11,900 electric car in 1971, when gasoline was 36 cents per gallon, and the company established the “World’s First Electric Car Expressway” between Detroit and Chicago? -- new article self-nom by CZmarlin (talk) 02:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Korean writer Park Kyung-ni spent 25 years writing the 16-volume epic novel Land, which has been included in the UNESCO Collection of Representative Works? (expanded by Acoolangel (talk · contribs) and Caspian blue (talk · contribs); nom by Oceanh (talk) 08:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Removed a doubled "the" and the word "on" to improve flow. Otto4711 (talk) 18:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the SS President Arthur, operated by the American Palestine Line, became the first ocean liner to fly the Zionist flag when it began service in 1925 between New York and the Mandate of Palestine? - New article created by User:Bellhalla, nom by Alansohn (talk) 06:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the inscription on the bottom of William Hogarth's Hogarth Painting the Comic Muse was altered four times between 1758 and 1764? (self) -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 05:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the 2008 ILF Under-19 World Lacrosse Championships, taking place from July 3 to July 12, includes three first-time participants: Bermuda, Finland, and Scotland? -- new article self-nom by Mitico (talk) 13:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Knickerbocker Epes Sargent (pictured) wrote the play Velasco for Ellen Tree, only to have Edgar Allan Poe damn it with faint praise, calling it an excellent one, but, positively considered, its merits are very inconsiderable? (over 5x expansion by Epousesquecido, nom by Lar) ++Lar: t/c 02:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a 224 character hook (not counting the "(pictured)"). Thingg^⊕^⊗ 17:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any ideas for shortening? How about cutting Poe's quote down?

... that Knickerbocker Epes Sargent (pictured) wrote Velasco for Ellen Tree, only to have Edgar Allan Poe damn it with faint praise, saying positively considered, its merits are very inconsiderable? ++Lar: t/c 05:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the entire Poe quote can go. Gatoclass (talk) 05:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Boston Red Sox once traded Major League Baseball pitcher Anastacio Martínez to the Pittsburgh Pirates only to take him back in a different trade barely a week later? -- self nom, seven-fold expansion [4]. Mackensen (talk) 01:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Nara Bahadur Karmacharya is the sole surviving founding member of the Communist Party of Nepal? --Soman (talk) 23:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC) (selfnom)[reply]

... that brightly colored leheria turbans were male business attire in Rajasthan, India during the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries? Durova^Charge! 21:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length verified. Please add an inline cite to the end of the article sentence supporting the hook. Also, please add a quote from the source to the end of that inline cite. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 23:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Incorrectly marked as unsourced. That assertion, along with the rest of the paragraph, is already correctly cited. The exact source text is In the 19th and early 20th centuries, the Marwaris, merchants of Rajasthan and the dominant business community of India, wore elaborately tied, brightly coloured turbans as their distinguishing mark. These turbans were made by the leheria technique... Durova^Charge! 07:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Length and reference verified. I'm not so concerned about the <200 character DYK hook being copyvio as I am of the DYK hook generally being easily verifiable by anyone reading the main page. A bulk of DYK's problems come from statements presented on the Main Page that are not supported by the cited source. On the other hand, your post made me realize that not all DYK required quotes should appear in the article itself. The article editor may have stylistic or other reasons for not desiring to include such a quote in the footnote. As for the inline cite, DYK selection criteria item #3 reads "The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." It probably should be rewritten to read something like "The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it where the hook fact is an extraordinary claim." Such a change can be made by posting a request at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know. GregManninLB (talk) 17:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Thank you very much for your understanding. Just to be clear, should I supply an additional inline citation for the relevant sentence? It seems kind of redundant but I understand the circumstances that caused this. Durova^Charge! 19:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Once you get a green checkmark, the hook usually is good to go. Personally, I don't think its necessary to post a DYK inline cite in this case since the fact you cite is not an extraordinary claim. There are some flexibility to the DYK rules, which don't seem to be written that way. Your green lighted hook probably will be picked up by a DYK admin in the next few days. GregManninLB (talk) 20:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Passive Resistance era in 19th century Hungary was marked by the reluctance of any notable and prestigious personalities to take any political position or office? -- new article by User:Zigomer trubahin; Nom by TheMightyQuill (talk) 17:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article currently lacks inline citations. There is still time to add some. If an added inline citation that verifies the hook is in the Hungarian language, please include an English language translated quote (aka Explanatory Footnote) so that DYK volunteers can verify the hook. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Treaty of Dubysa was never ratified as the Teutonic Knights failed to reach the agreed-upon destination due to shallow water in the Neman River? new article, self-nom. Renata (talk) 09:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please add quote from the Ivinskis source to the end of article reference no. 6 so that DYK may verify the hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 14:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Done. Renata (talk) 18:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Length and hook verified. GregManninLB (talk) 23:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the 1880s Victorian Hale House (pictured), with its exuberant ornamentation and color scheme, has been called "the most photographed house" in Los Angeles? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 06:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Image, length, and reference (via quote) verified. GregManninLB (talk) 14:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Santo Alcala's age of 23 in 1976 made him the second youngest player on an aging Cincinnati Reds baseball team?- Expanded fivefold. Modeled after Pete Young and Steve Adkins, two DYKs.--LAA Fan 16:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the red-purple coloured Primrose Brittlegill (Russula sardonia) (pictured) is a common woodland mushroom in the European autumn? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that when Teddy Morgan led Wales in their national anthem before their rugby union match against the 1905 All Blacks, it was the first time a national anthem had been sung before a sporting event? (Created by User:FruitMonkey) - Shudde ^talk 02:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 7

... that robot-assisted surgery was recently performed to treat ovarian vein syndrome, a rare condition in which a dilated ovarian vein compresses the ureter, causing pain in the abdomen, the back and/or the pelvis? -- new article by Stevenfruitsmaak (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 06:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that every person detained by the International Criminal Court has a personal computer in his cell? -- new article self-nom by Polemarchus (talk) 14:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- size and date check out. Hook referenced. This is a list, but has enough body text to qualify. ++Lar: t/c 06:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the first Hindlip Hall

... that after hearing mass at Hindlip Hall,(pictured) Humphrey Littleton told the authorities which led to the priest being arrested? ref is ["visited Hindlip House...he had heard Mass ... by Father Edward Oldcorne. He.. notified the local magistrates"] double self nom by Victuallers (talk) 08:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Eh? which one is the featured article? Also not sure why the ref is included here. Told the authorities "what" ?... consider noming both of these separately perhaps? Both articles length and date check out. Did not see the hook reference though. ++Lar: t/c 06:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - They are both featured... its a double nomination. Why is the ref there? Because I'm trying to make sure verifiers find the hook reference. Which is (I think) in the lead of both articles. (Tip:Click on the ref and search for Hindlip). Is there a problem with double nominations? I have added "what" by rephrasing it.
  - (alt)... that Humphrey Littleton told the authorities that he had heard mass at Hindlip Hall,(pictured) which led to the priest being arrested?
  - (alt)... that Humphrey Littleton told the authorities that he had heard mass at Hindlip Hall,(pictured) by a priest who was wanted in connection with the Gunpowder Plot? Victuallers (talk) 09:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Double noms are fine, and the reference checks out. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Japanese mathematician Yozo Matsushima received the Asahi Prize for his research on continuous groups in 1962? (self-nom) Masterpiece2000 (talk) 04:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length and date check out. Hook is referenced. It might be good to punch up the hook, why is this prize notable? ++Lar: t/c 06:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Asahi Prize is a prestigious Japanese prize. In fact, it is considered as one of the most prestigious prizes presented by a nongovernmental entity. Many people in the west don't know about this prize. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 12:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that cricketer Keith Miller, while attending Melbourne High School during his teenage years, was taught mathematics by Australian Test captain Bill Woodfull? Nom: Daniel (talk), Article: Blnguyen (talk), 03:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Why is this forked from the main Keith Miller article instead of being merged in there? But ok. The article length checks out. Ref goes to a book so presumably checks out too. There's a cite error just above it that should be fixed. It is not SHOWN that he was TAUGHT by this fellow :) just that the fellow was his teacher :) Try ... "had Australian Test captain Bill Woodfull as his mathematics teacher?" as the tail end of the hook maybe? ++Lar: t/c 06:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added the early life section on 7/7 but that bloated the article to 104kb of main prose, so I had to fork it out. So all the info is original to wikipedia as of 7/7. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that most popes before 1059 were appointed by secular European rulers with varying degrees of finality? Savidan 02:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This article is 56,000 bytes. The exact day it "qualified" is debatable, as it's been steadily growing from nothing since July 6... it's clearly eligible based on newness and size but maybe should be in the July 6 listing... no worries there. This actually is a list article, but it has enough body text to qualify in my view. The hook reference checks out, but it's from a website. I suspect a better ref COULD be found. Still, a good article. So why the "?" ... the table formatting currently seems quite messed up in several sections, which would need fixing before it appeared on the front page. ++Lar: t/c 06:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Australian banana fig is one of the few figs known to be pollinated by more than one species of fig wasp? new article, self-nom. Guettarda (talk) 18:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- (alternatively) ... that the Australian banana fig, named for its orange or red cylindrical figs, is one of the few figs known to be pollinated by more than one species of fig wasp? Guettarda (talk) 18:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Length and reference verified. I think the first hook is more drawing. GregManninLB (talk) 01:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that, in 1846, George Pope Morris (pictured) was one of two founders of the periodical that would become Town & Country, which is still published today? (Self-nom; originally created article and also expanded) --Midnightdreary (talk) 03:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- 5X expansion, DYK date, and image verified. Since the sources are not freely accessible via the Internet, please add quotations from the sources to article reference numbers 1 and 7 to allow DYK to verify the hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 14:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? I'm not familiar with this policy and I'm not sure how to proceed. Response on talk page preferred. --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such policy. Hook supported by inline citation to reliable source, qualifies. Lampman (talk) 13:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's a policy issue. Looks more like GregManninLB was asking for help in getting details from the refs which he couldn't access. --PFHLai (talk) 15:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the {{subst:DYK?no}} icon requires more work on the article, and as you can see from the talk page there is no consensus for this practice. Lampman (talk) 17:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably a lot of work for Greg to get that reference on his own. :-) Perhaps he meant to use {{DYK?}} instead. --PFHLai (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps he did, but I've already approved this hook, applying the current policy. If Midnightdreary - by some devious plan - has decided to deceive us, then the blame falls partly on me... Lampman (talk) 23:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yes, you did, Lampman. I have no problem with that. And i don't think Midnightdreary has any devious plans at all. I just want to point out that no one is inventing new DYK policies to make life more difficult than it already is. Peace, everyone. --PFHLai (talk) 05:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the tablet known as Gabriel’s Revelation, written before the birth of Christ, reportedly tells of a man killed by the Romans and resurrected after three days? - created with User:Sandwich Eater and others - Lampman (talk) 00:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~This has serious POV issues since the main sources are mainstream media, who have a track record of getting these things wrong.~~ Mangoe (talk) 02:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Eh? Lampman (talk) 08:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Updates to the article have largely ameliorated my concerns. Mangoe (talk) 17:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The topic originated two days on July 6, 2008 in the New York Times and would fit better in the "In the news" section of the main page. GregManninLB (talk) 15:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment: Wikipedia's coverage of the topic is not (well, at least need not be) POV. However, the topic itself is controversial. If the stone is true, then the unique story of Jesus Christ's death and resurrection was not in fact unique but part of a recognized Jewish tradition at the time. In other words, billions of people over the past 2,000 years were wrong. Also, the name of the stone is controversial. The Angel Gabriel's revelations to the Prophet Mohammed six centuries after the birth of Christ are the foundation of Wahhabism's puritanical version of Islam. For 23 years, beginning in 610 A.D., Muhammad memorized Gabriel's revelations and dictated them in 114 chapters of the Koran. Calling this stone Gabriel's Revelations is an attempt to trade off historic beliefs to make this stone more acceptable. With the passage of time, the controversial issues should work themselves out to make it easier to present a non-POV Wikipedia article on the topic. GregManninLB (talk) 15:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - All this original research and crystal balling is certainly interesting, but could someone please - with reference to the selection criteria - tell me how any of this is relevant to a DYK nomination? If someone doesn't like an article they're certainly entitled to that opinion, but that doesn't allow them to hold back a DYK nomination with reference to criteria they make up themselves. As for ITN: that's for current events, not for anything that might recently have been covered by the media. The tablet was found ten years ago; there's nothing current about it at all. Lampman (talk) 13:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1. I only looked at Herald Tribune source but it does not mention Romans 2. The article talks about a conference on the 6th of August. Which year? This is not "in the news" and we don't speculate on upcoming conferences. 3. Lazarus was the first person raised from the dead according to one source. 4. With improvements then why not? Victuallers (talk) 21:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1. IHT mentions Romans if you bother to go beyond the first page 2. The conference was on the 6th of July, and is already over 3. Again with the original research, all we are supposed to do here is to report what external, reliable sources report 4. What improvements? Which DYK criteria does it not satisfy? Lampman (talk) 08:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Bastø Fosen (pictured) operates the most trafficked car ferry route in Norway, from Moss to Halden? —self-non Arsenikk ^(talk) 23:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and ref ok. Lampman (talk) 00:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The English translation of the source supporting the hook doesn't seem to mention anything about most trafficked car ferry route in Norway. Please provide a English quotation from the source at the end of the article reference supporting the hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 15:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The bot translator translates the term "som er landets mest trafikkerte fergestrekning" into "as am country mainly the traffic fergestrekning". This should of course be translated "that is the countries most trafficked ferry route". It should be sufficient that User:Lampman (who I believe is a Norwegian speaker) can bough for the reference. There is no requirement that the DYK fact must be cited from an English source. Arsenikk ^(talk) 17:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can also confirm the reference. That's one horrible translator bot, by the way, if I didn't speak Norwegian I wouldn't have been able to understand a anything at all from the Moss Avis article. Manxruler (talk) 17:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm afraid you're just gonna have to take our word over the translator bot, which makes the headline out to be "Genocide ø about city trafikkproblemer". How about that as an alternative hook: Did you know "... that genocide ø about city trafikkproblemer"? Lampman (talk) 23:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the keepers of the Elbow of Cross Ledge Light slept in life jackets for fear of the lighthouse being struck by passing ships? self-nom, new article Mangoe (talk) 23:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The article contains three references. Some of the information seems to be Wikipedian conclusions based on looking at a map. Lighthousedepot.com is a commercial website. I am unsure whether lighthousedepot.com and lighthousefriends.com qualify as Wikipedia reliable sources. Perhaps consider using sources from Books and News. GregManninLB (talk) 15:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - It seems impossible to me that one could use a map as a reference for a text article without some sort of interpretation. Lighthousefriends.com has been used as a reference for virtually every extant US light article, and I do not understand why it is being characterized as a commercial site. Lighthouse Depot is of course commercial, as is every publisher's website; however, the link is to a journal article. I did consult some books through Google books, but in general the information in them is more limited and has to be vetted against these other sites for accuracy anyway. Mangoe (talk) 17:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Vorwerk is the only breed of chicken to share its name with a brand of household appliance? Selfnom VanTucky 17:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length and date verified. Please add a quotation from the source to the end of Footnote 1 (Graham 2007, p. 178) that would allow DYK to verify the hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 15:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MS Agdenes of Kystekspressen

... that Kystekspressen (pictured) offers wireless Internet access on their intercity passenger ferries? —self-non Arsenikk ^(talk) 17:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So do our local ferries here, according to this. Isn't that pretty standard these days? Art LaPella (talk) 23:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The hook checks out with the ref, but it's true that it doesn't exactly knock your socks off. Lampman (talk) 00:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The object in the suggested picture is not Kystekspressen, but MS Agdenes, a boat of the company. For now, I can't think of a simple way to fit this info into the hook without making it too long. --PFHLai (talk) 15:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice catch. Perhaps (company boat pictured) might work. GregManninLB (talk) 20:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the fishing boat, the Dogger (example pictured), takes its name from the Dogger Bank? - new article, self nom Benea (talk) 15:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The article says Dogger boat gave its name to Dogger Bank. How about "... that the 17th century form of fishing boat known as the Dogger (example pictured) received its name from one area in the North Sea and gave its name to another area in that same sea?" GregManninLB (talk) 16:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No that's not quite how it goes, but I see how you've become confused. Dogger is a Dutch word, meaning a fishing boat operating a trawl, rather than any specific design of boat. Dutch boats operating trawls operated in an area of the North Sea, so the area became known as the Dogger Bank. Later this specific design of boat becomes highly prevalent fishing the Dogger Bank, and so they became known as Doggers. There is only one area in discussion, but the time frames are different. Dogger (Dutch word for generic boat) leads to Dogger Bank leads to Dogger (boat) (but a specific and different sort of boat) Benea (talk) 17:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Captain Ralph Kerr, commander of the Royal Navy's largest warship HMS Hood at the Battle of the Denmark Strait, had previously only commanded destroyers? - self nom, expanded 10-fold, Benea (talk) 13:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length verified. Hook source verified (although it's a website of the HMS Hood association, it seems fairly sound). The hook might be a bit punchier though. Note that the image in the article can't be used on the front page, it's copyrighted. ++Lar: t/c 05:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know it can't. That's why I didn't add it here. As to a shorter hook, you might try:

... that Captain Ralph Kerr, briefly commander of the Royal Navy's largest warship HMS Hood, had previously only commanded destroyers? - Benea (talk) 16:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Proletarian Revolutionary Organisation, Nepal proposed in 1977 a synthesis of Buddhism and Maoism? --Soman (talk) 12:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC) (selfnom)[reply]
- Hook needs punch, seems worded incorrectly. Article is just barely 2K long, could stand expansion. Hook is not directly referenced. Reference links to another Wikipedia article. Might be easy to fix but not OK just yet. ++Lar: t/c 05:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that as a Boston College freshman current Toledo Mud Hens pitcher Chris Lambert was named Big East Conference "Pitcher of the Year" and "Rookie of the Year" in 2002? -- self nom, new article -- Mackensen (talk) 12:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- - Length and reference verified. ++Lar: t/c 05:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the world's premier sports library with 40,000 printed volumes is located on the grounds of LA's Britt House (pictured), a Colonial Revival mansion built in 1910? new article, self nom. by Cbl62 (talk) 05:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length verified. The LA84 Foundation reference does call the collection "premier", but the LA84 Foundation has a self interest in that the collection is housed in the headquarters of the LA84 Foundation. GregManninLB (talk) 01:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The term "premier" does have a subjective element, though the the Amateur Athletic Foundation Library is truly phenomenal -- not another like it anywhere. If that hook is too subjective, how about the following, which is more objective in its claim?

... that the largest sports research library in North America is located on the grounds of LA's Britt House (pictured), a Colonial Revival mansion built in 1910? new article, self nom. by Cbl62 (talk) 07:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

or

... that the Amateur Athletic Foundation Library, located on the grounds of LA's Britt House (pictured), has been called the "world's premier sports library"? Cbl62 (talk) 07:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Floyd Womack of the NFL's Seattle Seahawks was nicknamed "Pork Chop" because his mother thought he resembled professional wrestler Porkchop Cash? -- Article expanded fivefold by User:GaryColemanFan; Nom by GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length and reference verified. Nice reverse tie in. GregManninLB (talk) 01:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the 2008 Indian Embassy bombing in Kabul was the most deadly attack in Kabul since the fall of the Taliban in which 41 people were killed, including a Brigadier of the Indian Army and an Indian Foreign Service officer? --gppande «talk» 10:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate as per suggestion

... that Indian Embassy bombing, which killed 58 people including an Indian Army Brigadier and an IFS official, was the deadliest attack in Kabul since the fall of the Taliban? --gppande «talk» 19:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2008 Indian embassy bombing in Kabul is currently on ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 23:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. We can wait till it gets buried in ITN. --gppande «talk» 13:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and reference verified. Definitely should make its way onto DYK at some point. GregManninLB (talk) 01:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No. Definitely should NOT make its way back onto the main page after aappearing on ITN. No double-dipping! Let someone else take the precious space on the main page. --74.13.125.67 (talk) 02:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: From an editorial point of view and considering the entire MainPage, re-featuring the same article twice within a mere few days is not a good idea. But I (usually) don't pick hooks for use on DYK and I know some DYK hook selecters don't take other sections on MainPage into consideration. If this is really going back onto MainPage after an appearance on ITN (I hope not), please at least have a hook that doesn't resemble the ITN hook. Right now, the suggested DYK hook looks like a longer version of what we have on ITN since yesterday and possibly for a few more days to come. Can we cut off the second half, removing "in which 41 people..." and instead mention when the fall of the Taliban took place? It's better to focus on other interesting things in this article not already on MainPage for days. --PFHLai (talk) 15:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I missed your suggestion earlier, check now. --gppande «talk» 19:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking more of avoiding the changing death toll, and simply go with:

... that the 2008 Indian embassy bombing in Kabul was the most deadly attack in the Afghan capital since the fall of the Taliban in 2001?

But then, after almost 300 hundreds edits by dozens of contributors, is this article still "new"? If you really like this article, try Wikipedia:Good articles, instead of coming down a step for DYK, which is primarily for brand new ones. What you have here is a "more mature product". I'm not too supportive of re-runs that have already been on MainPage before, BTW. Then, again, I don't pick DYK hooks, either. Just my 2¢. --PFHLai (talk) 21:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Calm down dude! Nobody is taking up the prime space on main page permanently. The article is too extensive, regularly updated and well written than the other DYK's we see. I am not comparing anything just highlighting the article's merit which qualifies it to DYK. And as I said, same article on DYK & ITN is not what even I am suggesting. Wait till it moves out of ITN and then it can be put up in DYK. If you have any other objection than this single one please speak now or forever hold your silence. :-) --gppande «talk» 15:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Calm down dude!" may have been meant to be a jocular comment (I think it was) but might easily be mistaken for borderline incivility. Please be careful, always, to maintain respectful tones in dialogue with fellow editors. Everyone is happier when we don't forget this. Thanks! - House of Scandal (talk) 20:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that instead of making a triumphant entry to Harar, Ethiopia after winning the Battle of the Ogaden in 1936, Italian general Rodolfo Graziani tripped and injured himself visiting a local church? -- new article by Mkpumphrey (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 01:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've already left a msg on the author's usertalkpage and asked for more references. --PFHLai (talk) 14:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chichester's Inn

... that Walt Whitman and Theodore Roosevelt frequently visited Chichester's Inn (pictured) in West Hills, New York? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 15:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length and reference verified. GregManninLB (talk) 01:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Keith Miller's cricket career was interrupted by World War II, during which he served in the Royal Australian Air Force and reached the rank of flying officer? Nom: Daniel (talk), Article: Blnguyen (talk), 03:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- (alt hook) ... that Keith Miller's cricket career was interrupted by World War II, during which he reached the rank of flying officer in the Royal Australian Air Force? --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - ...that Australian Test cricketer Keith Miller avoided being expelled from the air force for going AWOL by playing for his commanding officer's team?
  - ...that Australian Test cricketer Keith Miller once broke from his air force flying formation to fly over Beethoven's birthplace of Bonn?

I added the early life section on 7/7 but that bloated the article to 104kb of main prose, so I had to fork it out. So all the info is original to wikipedia as of 7/7. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that among other changes, the Hungarian Round Table Talks in 1989 led to a complete overhaul of the country's constitution? -- self-nom by Biruitorul ^Talk 23:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified length and date, and that the ref exists. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 6

... that the Gero Cross of about 970 is the earliest known Western depiction of the dead Christ on the cross? expansion by Johnbod (talk) 22:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This seems a popular topic[5][6]. GregManninLB (talk) 00:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All topics are popular if you don't put "quotes round your Google search"!! If you do, neither quote has any direct matches at all (at least reassuring it isn't plagiarism, eh guys?). Johnbod (talk) 02:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article says no such thing, and it also seems highly unlikely. Lampman (talk) 01:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article did say so, and with a ref. However I now see Kurt Weitzmann is quoted as saying an earlier Byzantine icon does this too (contradicting two of my refs) so have amended by adding "Western" to be safe. There is of course a certain subjectivity in assessing whether a particular figure was intended to be dead, hence my wording. The art historians are generally less cautious. Why on earth does it seem "highly unlikely"? Do tell.Johnbod (talk) 02:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Western" is not very clear and rather confusing - did you just assume it's the oldest "Western" depiction or does your source specifically say so? Gatoclass (talk) 04:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But meanwhile I suggest you at least change it to "in Western Europe" to make your meaning clear. Gatoclass (talk) 04:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... Australian naturalist, botanical artist, historian, author and teacher Rica Erickson wrote her first book Orchids of the West in 1951? (self-nom. Prose expanded from 1.4k to 6.8k) Moondyne 14:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Currently a 4.60x expansion. 578 more characters needed for 5x. Hook fact missing inline citation. --Millbrooky (talk) 21:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You guys are hard! Missing citation added and prose is now 7.7k. Moondyne 04:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

4.9x expansion (1,567 to 7,691 DYK characters). 144 more characters would bring it to 5x. GregManninLB (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

169 added, not including refs and entry in bibliography. Rica can has DYK plz? Totnesmartin (talk) 20:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

5X length, date, and hook verified. GregManninLB (talk) 00:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that when Indian cricketer Sourav Ganguly scored a century on test debut at Lord's in 1996, he became the third overall and first since John Hampshire in 1969 to do so? ALT HOOK: ... that Indian cricketer Sourav Ganguly scored centuries in his first two test innings, and was only the third person to do so? self nom Abeer.ag (talk) 10:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Verified length, date and ref. I've changed the link in the first hook to be from "Sourav Ganguly scored" instead of just his name. Olaf Davis | Talk 15:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the title of The West Wing episode "On the Day Before" refers to the Jewish holiday Erev Yom Kippur? - self-nom, 5-fold expanded and hook sourced, but if people are getting tired of West Wing DYK's, I understand... Lampman ^{Talk to me!} 21:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all. Look at all the other running things we have going. Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 16:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! And it is five days since the last one now... Lampman (talk) 23:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the English Riviera Geopark in Torbay, United Kingdom (pictured) is the world's only urban Geopark? (Self-nominated) Totnesmartin (talk) 20:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified length, date and ref. Olaf Davis | Talk 15:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is quite interesting with nice pictures and is notable enough to be on the Main Page, because, by being only one of a kind in the world, it is international. I hope other users would agree. bsrboy (talk) 19:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image added from duplicate nomination. Image verified for use on Main Page (uploaded two years ago from currently editing editor[7] who has uploaded similar photos[8]). GregManninLB (talk) 19:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's image and the one at goodrington.net seem to be similar. GregManninLB (talk) 19:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That website probably took it from Wikipedia. It's been around for a long time. bsrboy (talk) 19:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be on the safe side, I've replaced it with the other picture which is public domain, although not as good for the DYK template (you want a clear, simple image really) Totnesmartin (talk) 20:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This page of the Goodrington.net site says the bloke who runs it moved to Goodrington in 1983 and mentions being there for over 24 years, dating the site at 2007; the wikipedia photo was uploaded in 2006. Wikipedia wins again. Totnesmartin (talk) 20:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We should change it back to the other picture then. bsrboy (talk) 20:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I received an email from the goodrington.net website owner who says he got the

image from Wikipedia. I switched the image back to the higher quality photo. I've also listed the photo at Wikipedia:Picture peer review/Berry Head. -- GregManninLB (talk) 23:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Adbot, one of the first internet advertising companies, was force to close only seven months after opening due to the fraudulent source of its start-up funding? --brew crewer (yada, yada) 19:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 16:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that actor Michael Sharrett played the grandson of Clovis, played by Academy Award winner Jimmy Stewart in the 1978 musical film, The Magic of Lassie? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by GregManninLB (talk) 02:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 16:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the public reaction after the death of Prince Wilhelm of Prussia caused Adolf Hitler to issue a decree barring all members of Germany's former royal houses from service in the military? -- new article using translation from original German (de:Wilhelm von Preußen (1906–1940)), self-nom by Morhange (talk) 01:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- 282 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 04:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Better? Morhange (talk) 17:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - 229 characters is a gray area. Art LaPella (talk) 21:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Oh, I wasn't aware that spaces were included. I got 192 characters without the spaces, so I thought that was okay. Do spaces count? Morhange (talk) 03:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Yes, we count spaces, but not "(pictured)" if present. --PFHLai (talk) 15:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Got it down to 192 :) Is this okay now? Morhange (talk) 01:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        OK for length. Others will soon check citations etc. Art LaPella (talk) 05:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I added a reference to the article sentence serving as the source of the DYK hook. The reference indicates that the orders prohibited princes from participating in combat. It does not mention all members of Germany's former royal houses. Also, it does not mention the motivation for Hitler to issue the Prinzenerlass. Please provide inline cites in the article that verify the DYK hook. GregManninLB (talk) 06:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~... that ancient encyclopedic work Lü shi chun qiu was named not for its writers, but for their patron? Self-nom. Nousernamesleft (talk) 01:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC)~~[reply]

Please merge this with Lüshi Chunqiu, which is an older and longer article. --PFHLai (talk) 05:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah - sorry, didn't realise that the article already exists. I speedy deleted it. Nousernamesleft (talk) 19:23, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've turned the redlink into a redirect. Please be encouraged to update and expand the old article. --PFHLai (talk) 23:03, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Charles Thomas Bolton was the first astronomer to prove the existence of a black hole? (self-nom) Ricky81682 (talk) 20:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pls be reminded that DYK articles need to be longer than 1500 characters. This one has less than 900. Pls type in a bit more. --PFHLai (talk) 01:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, didn't see that requirement. I didn't add that much text (mostly high scientific citations that throw off the character count), but frankly, I tried to pull everything I could on him. I hope it works now. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Ricky81682, for expanding this wikipage to 1700+ characters for quickly. A regular DYK screener will look into other aspects of this nom. --PFHLai (talk) 15:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's black hole article and the New York Times article from Dec 29, 1971 indicate that Louise Webster, Paul Murdin, and Tom Bolton were the first astronomers to prove the existence of a black hole. Webster and Murdin's work was from August 1971 to October 1971.[9] If you have something that shows Bolton's black hole finished work predated August 1971, then the hook would be justified. -- GregManninLB (talk) 07:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ALT HOOK: Looks like Webster and Murdin independently discovered the wobble with Bolton, so the hook is inaccurate. Would "... that Charles Thomas Bolton, along with and independent of Louise Webster and Paul Murdin, proved the existence of a black hole?" be better? A couple red-links now though. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The alt hook looks better and is supported by the references. However, we can't have red links on the Main Page, but you can turn them into stubs or not dynamically link them. GregManninLB (talk) 02:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Though the paper Greg gives above ([10]) concludes "[the evidence suggests] the companion is a white dwarf or neuron star... it is inevitable that we should also speculate that it might also be a black hole." It sounds as though both groups (Bolton, and Webster & Murdin) found the wobble but Bolton was the first to say with certainty that it was a BH. I may be misinterpreting the sources, though. Anyway, date and length check out. Olaf Davis | Talk 09:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Enlightened first minister of the Duchy of Parma, Guillaume du Tillot, introduced the first extensive potato cultivation in northern Italy in the 1760s?--Wetman (talk) 20:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length verified. The article says "he encouraged cultivation of the potato" and does not mention anything similar to "extensive" cultivation. Also, for DYK, there should be an inline citation to the potato portion of the article. GregManninLB (talk) 00:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the longest tenured manager of the Seattle Mariners, Lou Pinella led the team to a season with 116 wins, tying the record for wins in a season?-Created article.--LAAFan 20:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length verified. However, reference no. 2 didn't seem to mention the "longest tenured manager" portion of the hook and "116 wins" does not appear in the "List of Seattle Mariners managers" article. GregManninLB (talk) 00:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - ALT HOOK: ... that Lou Piniella, the only Mariners manager to lead a team into the playoffs, recorded a season with 116 wins, tying the major league record of wins in a season?- Second round. Fixed.--LAAFan 15:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Length and ALT HOOK reference verified. I added major league to the hook to provide clarity. Remove if not needed. GregManninLB (talk) 21:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on July 5

... that after capturing Amba Aradam during the Second Italo-Abyssinian War, the Italians bombed the fleeing Ethiopian soldiers with mustard gas and bribed local Azebu Galla tribesmen to attack them? -- new article by Mkpumphrey (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 01:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: My problem with this article is that it relies almost entirely on one source, and a doubtful one apparently. I haven't been able to consult it myself, but the title - The Rape of Ethiopia, 1938 - seems to imply a not entirely unbiased work. The publishing press - Ballantine Books - is not an academic press either. There is no doubt about the bestial conduct of the Italians in Ethiopia, but that doesn't excuse the use of non-reliable sources. Second opinion anyone? Lampman (talk) 14:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length verified. However, the DYK hook is POV. Also, the Battle of Amba Aradam article does seem to be sourced to a "not entirely unbiased work." There are several sources available and there might be an agreement that it was a rape of Ethiopia, but that would need to be reviewed. Given the topic, the article probably should first be based on academic press sources and then use the non-academic press as secondary commentary. I posted the DYKno in view of Lampman's opinion and that the article requires considerable work before becoming eligible. GregManninLB (talk) 16:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've left a msg on the author's usertalkpage and asked for more references. --PFHLai (talk) 21:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Mohsen Bilal, the Information Minister of Syria, threatened to take back the Golan Heights by force if Israel didn't hand it over to Syria? -- new article, self-nom--SJP_Chat 07:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the passage on which the hook was based from the article.This position is by no means exceptional, nor milestones in the political career of Bilal. Bilal, as Minister of Information, is the official spokesperson of the Syrian government, and this statement is just in line with all other Syrian government statements on Golan since the 1967 war. It is not Bilal who 'threatens' anyone, it is the government position. Its a bit like saying that Ari Fleischer threatened to invade Iraq. --Soman (talk) 07:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that six of the sixteen cardinals died of malaria during the papal election, 1287-1288? Savidan 02:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Two things: first, the article says the deaths are usually attributed to malaria but lists one writer who believes it was the Black Death. Is the malaria view sufficiently dominant that we can give it as fact? If so maybe the article could make that a bit clearer. Secondly, the Philip Smith reference gives a 404. Nice article and hook though - was thinking of nominating it myself until I saw it was already here. Olaf Davis | Talk 21:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Without question the malaria "view" is correct, especially considering this is 100 years too early for the plague. You can take out the cause of death in the hook if it worries you. I don't understand your second comment. Savidan 23:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Black Death in 1287 would have been an interesting hook indeed! The malaria story checks out, according to Bagliani and Peterson, I believe it was quite common in Rome at the time (certainly more common than the Black Death...) The problem with your links was that they were dead. I've replaced them, but the Google Books links I found weren't readable. Anyway, the main issue here is length - without the table I get it to be 1,372 characters, and the 1,500 limit is a mandatory minimum. Lampman ^{Talk to me!} 06:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was referring to 404 error, but Lampman's corrected that now. As he says the length is the primary remaining issue - still some time to expand it a little more, though. Olaf Davis | Talk 13:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If the cause of death is a subject of debate, how about just "... that six of the sixteen cardinals died during the papal election, 1287-1288?" That's interesting enough to me...maybe even more as it would make me want to read the article and find out why. In any case, let's be sure to link "cardinals".- House of Scandal (talk) 15:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let me be absolutely clear that this is not under any circumstances a matter of debate! I was really just being flippant about this, but there was no Black Death in Europe in 1287/8! This was suggested by some historian writing in 1898, who obviously had no idea what he was talking about, and I assume it's included in the article simply as a curiosity. Modern historians are quite clear that it was in fact malaria. The issue of length remains though, and Savidan must show an effort to expand the article before it can be approved. Lampman (talk) 01:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, having actually looked at the dates involved I'm happy that the malaria statement is correct - I just hadn't done that reality check when I first commented on the hook. I've added a note to the article pointing out that the Black Death claim contradicts the actual dates of the plague. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Papal election, 1287-1288" length still is 1,372 DYK characters. Another 128 prose characters needed. (probably another sentence or two should do it). GregManninLB (talk) 21:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the 1974 film La prima Angélica created the greatest scandal surrounding any Spanish film during the Franco years? Miguelemejia (talk • contribs) Miguelemejia (talk) 23:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length verified. Can we include some quotes from the source either in the footnote or the main text, and whatever else we do make clear that this is someone's assessment, not Wikipedia's? Daniel Case (talk) 02:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Adams Avenue Parkway is the only toll road in Utah, built after years of citizen requests to the state to build a connection from Interstate 84 and U.S. Route 89? -- new article self-nom by Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 21:49, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Far too short at less than 500 characters. No inline citation. --Millbrooky (talk) 22:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Updated, still less than 1500, aprox 1050. Inline citations added. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 00:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's still not up to 1,500. Daniel Case (talk) 04:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Plymouth's lighthouse, Smeaton's Tower (pictured), was dismantled and then rebuilt on Plymouth Hoe as a memorial? - Recently added to the article on Plymouth today here. bsrboy (talk) 13:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not a new article, nor significantly expanded. --Millbrooky (talk) 19:25, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added a new section to the article about landmarks with pictures. Why isn't that classed as "significant"? bsrboy (talk) 19:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From the looks of it, you didn't expand the article fivefold. It looks like you did some cleaning up and added a few pics. That's not a fivefold expansion which is why it was declined. -- RyRy (talk) 21:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wandered this before, what is fivefold? bsrboy (talk) 22:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expanding an article 5 times it's original length. Hope that helps. :D -- RyRy (talk) 23:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, okay. You might want to note that at the top of the article in case someone doesn't understand. bsrboy (talk) 23:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I admit, it took me a while to figure that out for myself. :-P --cremepuff222 (talk) 01:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just out of curiosity... what did you guys think it meant? Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 07:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that sea witches often appeared among sailors in British folklore and were able to control several aspects of nature? -- new article self-nom by --cremepuff222 (talk) 09:18, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

. Please review carefully. - House of Scandal (talk) 22:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean "review" as in "correcting grammar issues"? --cremepuff222 (talk) 00:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC) In any case, I have revised it. --cremepuff222 (talk) 00:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The information from the article comes from themystica.com and other internet sites, which I was unable to determine whether met Wikipedia reliable source standard. GregManninLB (talk) 06:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am concerned that the article doesn't clearly distinguish folkloric witches from modern self-identified practicioners. It also implies that sea magic is real, a claim I would consider highly POV. -House of Scandal (talk) 15:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Per GregManninLB's concerns about lack of reliable sources, HouseOfScandal's issues with content, and the fact that it's only 1320 characters in length. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 07:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Anthony Pratkanis' opinion on the United States military in Iraq is that soft power encompassing democratic values and ideals will gain the trust of the people before hard military power?Self nom. SriMesh | talk 02:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- its a CV and/or POV and/or list - articles have at least 1500 chars of text Victuallers (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 4

... that Buffalo Gap, a town of fewer than five hundred south of Abilene, Texas, contains a large American West museum, with fifteen historic buildings and thousands of artifacts?--self-nom revised and expanded, with inclusion of six photographs. It won't be five times expanded unless the space for the photos are counted too. Billy Hathorn (talk) 12:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reference verified at Texas Travel guide website here. Presently a 4.0x expansion. Needs 2,814 more characters for five-fold expansion. --Millbrooky (talk) 16:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - By my count, I get a 4.0x expansion - from 2,856 DYK characters[11] to 11,512 DYK characters[12]. A significant amount of the information is sourced to tshaonline.org and buffalogap.com. Not much time left, but you might be able to get more info from Google Books, Google scholar, and Google news. You probably could bring the article to FA status by using material from the many books on Buffalo Gap. GregManninLB (talk) 20:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
....that Iraiyanar Akapporul was the first treatise to be written in prose in the Tamil language? Taprobanus (talk) 17:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 **[[Image:Symbol possible vote.svg|18px|This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues]] Reference verified at Texas Travel guide website [http://traveltex.com/pg/Activity.aspx?id=5655cdd5-8676-491f-b04b-1bcb354c9e98 here].  Presently a 4.0x expansion. Needs 2,814 more characters for five-fold expansion. --[[User:Millbrooky|Millbrooky]] ([[User talk:Millbrooky|talk]]) 16:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 ***By my count, I get a 4.0x expansion - from 2,856 DYK characters[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buffalo_Gap%2C_Texas&diff=prev&oldid=213116757] to 11,512 DYK characters[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buffalo_Gap%2C_Texas&diff=223932371&oldid=223726105]. A significant amount of the information is sourced to tshaonline.org and buffalogap.com. Not much time left, but you might be able to get more info from [http://books.google.com/books?q=Buffalo+Gap,+Texas&um=1&as_brr=3 Google Books], [http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Buffalo%20Gap%2C%20Texas&um=1&as_brr=3&sa=N&tab=ps Google scholar], and [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?tab=sn&q=Buffalo+Gap,+Texas&um=1&as_brr=3&ie=UTF-8 Google news]. You probably could bring the article to FA status by using material from the many books on [http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Buffalo+Gap%2C+Texas&x=21&y=21 Buffalo Gap]. [[User:GregManninLB|GregManninLB]] ([[User talk:GregManninLB|talk]]) 20:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
+*....that '''[[Iraiyanar Akapporul]]''' was the first treatise to be written in prose in the [[Tamil language]]? [[User:Taprobanus|Taprobanus]] ([[User talk:Taprobanus|talk]]) 17:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 ==See also==