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Regions with significant populations?
Any other countries you want to add to this list? How about China, maybe Russia?, Mongolia perhaps?, oh we can't forget Hawaii right, and Belarus!. How ABSOLUTELY ridiculous, whoever included all those countries is an absolute fool, there are no significant populations of Khatris in Ukraine? lol, haha. The only regions with significant populations would be India and p**istan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.98.225.54 (talk) 18:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Note should be taken of the fact that the great caste of Khatri (the merchants) have nothing to do with the Kshatriya (warrior and kings).
Khatri is a wonderful caste of merchants from Punjab, they are not warriors the Kshatriyas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.153 (talk) 15:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Would agree the Khatri a caste found mainly in the Punjab is a caste of merchants. Nice people as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.94.103 (talk) 20:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Freakin self agreement ... A and A is logically still A, you can invent any fables you like and then agree with them. ...
I would agree that Khatri and Kashatriyas are one and the same. Get over the translation folks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.164.25 (talk) 03:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
What Crap is this
Nonsense we Kshatriyas the warriors have nothing to do with Khatris a great caste of merchants. Not only have we different traditions, structure and looks and no common Gotras. Jarnail Singh Sra. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.103.243.226 (talk) 16:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I can't believe this artcle, its all bull crap. Wow some people amaze me at how little they know. Thats funny to know that the GUrus came from a bandit caste...so ridiculous. It was accurate before. Khatri IS NOT HINDI, it is the punjabi way of saying it and is called KSHATRIYA in sanskrit meaning warrior caste which is the same caste I am from. Khatris are not a merchant caste, Khatris are warriors and exactly the same as Rajputs so get over it. Rajput is a Rajasthani way of saying it or only used for Kshatriyas from Rajasthan, Khatri is a Punjabi way of saying it and only used by Kshatriyas from Punjab, Kshatriya is a Sanskrit way of saying it.
This is what the article originally should be saying:
"The Khatris (Punjabi) or Kshatriyas (Sanskrit, (K) silent) are a north Indian community that originated in the Potwar Plateau of Punjab. This region is historically connected with the composition of the Vedas and classics like the Mahabharata and Ashtadhyayi. In the old varna (caste) system the Kshatriya were members of the Hindu military order who as administrators and rulers, were tasked with protecting Hindu Dharma, and serving humanity. In the course of time, however, as a result of economic and political exigencies, Khatris also expanded into mercantile occupations.
Today Khatris live in all regions of India, but are concentrated in East Punjab, Haryana, Delhi and Uttar Pradesh. While most Khatris are Hindu, some are also Sikh, some Muslim and even a small minority are Jain. Khatris of all these faiths collectively form one community. In modern times, the Khatri play a significant role in the Indian economy, serving as businessmen, civil and government administrators, landlords and military officials." Aahana999 (talk) 02:54, 27 February 2009 (UTC) Aahana999
The Khatris are Aryans like most Indians. However,they are a merchant caste and not Kshatriyas like the Rajputs, Jats, Nairs, Coorgis, etc. They are respected in India.
who changed the earlier article and added this crap "they are not usually military in their character, though considerable numbers enlisted during the great War, they have not however the same military qualities as the Jat Sikh to whom they are greatly socially inferior." please remove this nonsense and roll back the original article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrwordsworth (talk • contribs) 02:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
To the guy above me who says that Khatris are socially inferior, Then why are the socially inferior guys the Gurus, creators of Sikhism all warriors? And how is a farmer caste superior socially to a Prince/Princess/Warrior caste? Jat Sikhs were Farmers and not Warriors and were usually footmen soldiers under Khatri Generals, so get your information straight and get off your high Tracktor Aahana999 (talk) 03:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Intothefire (talk) 05:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
The Khatri, a merchant is not a Kshtriya the warrior. No one can create a confusion on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.153 (talk) 17:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I edited out the perhaps mischievous or equally possible, ill informed comments of the last user. We still need to make this article much better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.177.82.12 (talk) 09:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Need for reorganization
Yes many of these people have no idea what they are talking about. I am also Khatri which is the Punjabi word for the Sanskrit Kshatriya which means warrior caste. Aahana999 (talk) 02:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- Divisions like Dhai-Ghar etc are of minor significance. They should be mentioned later in the article. Their history needs some careful research.
- The discussion of history should be re-organized into a well-written section.
- Shared heritage should be in the section on history.
Puri are indeed a clan of Khatris.
Khatris are the Kshatriyas of the Punjab region. Whole of India was once ruled by Kshatriyas. For clarity, the two terms should be used such that Khatri is a specific term and Kshatriya is a general term.--Vikramsingh (talk) 00:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
"A legend based on Hindu oral traditions"
Article states:
- A legend based on Hindu oral traditions states that Lahore was named after Lava, son of Lord Rama, who supposedly founded the city. To this day, the Lahore fort has a deserted temple dedicated to Luv (also pronounced as Loh, hence "Loh-awar" or fort of Loh). Another legend says the town of Kasur (now in Pakistan) was named after Kusha, the younger son of Lord Rama.
Actually it is mentioned in Bichitra Natak of Guru Gobind Singh.--Vikramsingh (talk) 00:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
List of anonymous IP s used by Cranks to post on this article
I have reintroduced this section , as a very large no of anonymous ips continue to post junk on this page .
Apparently there are several users with an agenda posting junk or deleting content from this page . If you come across one not listed here please add. It may be useful to check the other contributions of these crank ips as well as their WHOIS origin .
Perhaps they may respond to posts on their Discusssion page recording a history of their vandal edits on variou articles .<nr>
Intothefire (talk) 06:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Good idea.--Vikramsingh (talk) 01:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
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From the GAZETTEER LUDHIANA
I think this large quote is mostly redundant. I suggest we remove it after merging parts of the text to other parts, if needed (with citation).--Vikramsingh (talk) 01:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Some cleaning is needed.--ISKapoor (talk) 03:35, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Shanti bhai vandal edits using sockpuppets
User Shanti bhai
has been using scores of Sockpuppets to vandal the Khatri and many other articles as well . please see his talk page
Here for example are specifically two edit dates between which he has contributed a number of vandal posts . The edit history between these two posts makes it amply clear how shanti bhai has used several new user ids and anonymous posts to completely vandal this article . The two posts are
Shanti bhai Revision as of 13:55, 5 August 2008
and
Shanti bhai Revision as of 09:58, 6 August 2008
Intothefire (talk) 05:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Vandalism
This article is complete and utter tosh. I'm sorry but, sentences like "Latest to enter bollywood from Kapoor clan is the hearthrob of the nation Ranbir Kapoor,Rishi's son. Khanna's have also made bollywood proud.Rajesh Khanna was the 1st ever superstar of bollywood." have no place here. I'm going to see if I can find a clean version. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 20:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
- Discussion shifted to this page from User Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) page .
- Discussion shifted to this page from User Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) page .
Hi
I refer to your neutrality of this article is disputed banner on the article and comment on the talk page .
Although I do agree that the portion you have mentioned in your comments on the discussion page is inane and this along with other frivolous content should be removed.
I think your comments about this entire article being complete and utter tosh. Is sweeping and unqualified .
Please specifically inform sections that need improvement, pruning or deletion , for the tag to be removed .
I have been working to improve this article for a long time by providing edits with citations from verifiable sources, as a matter of fact a large number of these citations have been provided by me.
On the other hand this article has been aggressively vandaled by several anonymous ips , and to counter this I created a vandal list which is available on the discussion page . I have avoided removing any content as my experience on wikipedia tells me this invariably ends in an edit war unless an editor is involved .
I hope that you are an editor and will now assist with improving the article and protecting from vandals .
Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 10:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
- "And it is a slog of destiny that they had to leave their ancestral home of Punjab upon the partition of India. It is a huge loss of culture, heredity and traditions for Punjabi people." Really, it's just... full of peacock terms, which I don't think I need to point out, because they're readily apparent. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 17:02, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
- Shifting this dialogue to the Khatri discussion page for ref . I have made some deletions and edits . Would appreciate removal of this tag . If there are other specific instances of content you have an issue with please elucidate . I also hope that you have a deep knowledge of the subject .
- Shifting this dialogue to the Khatri discussion page for ref . I have made some deletions and edits . Would appreciate removal of this tag . If there are other specific instances of content you have an issue with please elucidate . I also hope that you have a deep knowledge of the subject .
Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 09:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
- Message for User:Chase me ladies
Carrying forward the discussion
Why have you removed so many relevant pieces of verifiable content from reliable sources with complete citation details provided .
I am listing the the Headings and then the references here instead of the content to avoid this message from becoming too long .
This content needs to be restored ,if required it could be abridged where possible , or synopsis inserted.
From the GAZETTEER LUDHIANA
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Muslim Khatris of Kashmir
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Khatris in Maharashtra
Source Reference of content provided on the article removed 3 Maharashtra By K. S. Singh, B. V. Bhanu, B. R. Bhatnagar, Anthropological Survey of India, D. K. Bose, V. S
Histrory of Khatris recorded in the Ain-i-Akbari
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Divisions recorded in the Ain-i-Akbari
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Sarsut Brahmans and Khatris
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Would appreciate your response.
Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 12:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
References
- ^ Gazetteer of the Rawalpindi District Published by Sang -e-meel Publications ,Lahore , Pakistan
- ^ People, GAZETTEER LUDHIANA, Department of Revenue, Government of Punjab (India), Homepage: [1]
- ^ The Valley Of Kasmir by Walter R Lawrence Chapter XII Page 303
- ^ The Valley Of Kasmir by Walter R Lawrence Chapter XII Page 303
- ^ THE AÍN I AKBARI BY ABUL FAZLALLÁMI, TRANSLATED FROM THE ORIGINAL PERSIAN,BY H. BLOCHMANN, M.A.AND COLONEL H. S. JARRETT Volume 11 Chapter93
- ^ Denzil Ibbetson, Edward MacLagan, H.A. Rose "A Glossary of The Tribes & Casts of The Punjab & North-West Frontier Province", 1911 AD, Page 510, Vol II,
- ^ THE AÍN I AKBARI BY ABUL FAZLALLÁMI, TRANSLATED FROM THE ORIGINAL PERSIAN,BY H. BLOCHMANN, M.A.AND COLONEL H. S. JARRETT Volume 111 Page 114
- ^ Denzil Ibbetson, Edward MacLagan, H.A. Rose "A Glossary of The Tribes & Casts of The Punjab & North-West Frontier Province", 1911 AD, Page 122, Vol II,
Need a separate article on Sanatan Dharma Sabha
An article on Punjab organization this is needed.--ISKapoor (talk) 01:36, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Muslim Khatris
Please do not remove Islam from religious denominations of Khatris or content related to Muslim Khatris . There are significant communities of Khatris from Punjab ,Sindh ,NWFP ,and other parts of the South Asian region .
Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 06:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Relation with Jatts and Tarkhans
Y-chromosome is found in Jat,Khatri,Tarkhan Tribes and it is proved that along with Indo-Scythian Ancestry these tribes have European lineage.So I request you to edit this in Relation with Jatts and Tarkhan in topic Khatri. 122.163.206.38 (talk) 21:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Lol
I cant help but laugh at the persistent and vicious vandal edits on this article .
Referenced content is corrupted deleted continously ...latest someone turns them into Indo Scythians.....wow
lol .
Intothefire (talk) 12:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Khatris are related to Jats and Tarkhan and are not related to Aroras.
Some traces are found which tell that Khatri tribe is related to Jat and Tarkhan tribe.These tribes have Indo-Scythian Ancestry and Y-Chromosome is found in these three tribes,therefore these tribes have European Lineage and Khatris are not related Arora tribe. 122.163.206.38 (talk) 21:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Origin of Khatri, Tarkhan(Ramgarhia) and Jat clans
According to DNA test, it observed that, the Khatri, Tarkhan and Jatt clans have Caucasian, Indo-Scythian, Indo-Aryan, Italic, Slavic, Germanic, Iranian, Baltic, Greek Origin. 122.163.206.38 (talk) 21:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Regions
Are the regions shown in this article in the info box correct? Nz26 10:27, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Regions shown in Khatris are correct
It is true that Khatris are found in these regions.In Case Russia and former USSR Republics,many Khatri, Jat and Ramgarhia sikhs lived In Soviet Russia and in 1991 some immigrated to other countries of USSR and some Sikhs are still living in other Parts Europe and other parts of World, so I request you not remove this topic from Khatris. 122.163.206.38 (talk) 21:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
All Khatri clans are related to Tarkhan and Jatt tribe.Khatri clans are not related to Arora clans.
[[Khatri are related to Tarkhan and Jatt tribe.The Khatri clans, Tarkhan clans and Jatt clans have common Indo-Scythian origin.All the clans of these three tribes are found all the parts of world.People of all the Khatri clans and some Jatt and Tarkhan clans are found among Punjabi Hindus, Punjabi Muslims and Sikhs.These clans of these three tribes are found as a majority in Punjab of Pakistan.Arora tribe is not found in Punjab of Pakistan.The Arora tribe is different from The Jatt, Khatri and Tarkhan tribes.So, I request you not remove any topic to related to Relation Jatts, Khatris and Tarkhan tribes.also, do not remove or change the Khatri, Tarkhan and Jatt clans and I also request you not change any article related to Jatts, Tarkhan, Khatris.Because, according to the census of 1951 to 2001,it is reported that many Khatri people of all 52 clans of Khatri tribe(Including Khukhran Khatris) are living along with Jatts and Tarkhan are living All the parts of Pakistan ,Northern India and other parts of world.The relegions followed by the people of all the clans of these three tribes are Islam(Both Sunni and Shi'a), Sikhism and Hinduism.I am not threatening you, but your actions of removing topics from the articles (Mentioned above) makes me angry.Please don't get angry.I like your website Wikipedia.if you are getting angry, for that I am sorry.But I want to know ,why you are removing the information ? 122.163.206.38 (talk) 21:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
List of Khatri Clans
A
* Abrol * Alung/Alang/Alagh/Alg/Alangh * Amba * Anand * Angra * Azad * Awal
B
* Badhwar/Budhwar * Bagga * Bahl * Bahri * Baijal * Bajaj * Bassi * Bawa * Bedi * Bembey * Beri * Bhalla * Bhambri * Bhamra * Bhandari * Bharara * Bhasin * Bindra * BATTA * Basur * Barman
C
* Chopra,s * Chadha * Chaudhary * Chhatwal * Chandhok * Chopra
D
* Dhall * Dhand * Dhawan * Dhir * Dhody * Duggal * Deora * Diwan
G
* Gadhiok/Gandhok * Gossain * Ghai/Ghei/Gehi * Gujral * Gandotra * Gulla
H
* Handa/Hande
J
* Jerath/Jeirath/Jairath * Jaggi * Jagga * Jolly * Johar
K
* Kaura * Kakkar/Kacker * Kapoor/Kapur * Khanna * Khosla * Kapahi * Kapany * Katyal * Khattar/Khattri/Khatri * Khullar * Kohli * kaushal
L
* Lal * Lamba M
* Madhok * Mahana/Mahna * Mahendru/Mahendroo/Mahindru/Maindru * Maini * Malhotra * Mehra * Mehta * Marwah * Makkar N
* Nair/Nayer/Nayyar/Nayar * Nijhawan * Nikhanj * Nanda
O
* Oberoi/Oberai/Obhrai/Uberoi * Ohri
P
* Parwanda * Puri * Pahwar * Passi
S
* Syal/Sayal/Sial * Sabharwal * Sablok * Saggar * Sahi/Shahi * Sahni/Sahani/Sawhney * Suri * Sami * Samnotra * Sareen/Sarin * Sarwal * Saggi * Sehgal/Sahgal * Sekhri * Seth * Sethi * Sibal * Sikand * Sikka * Sobti * Sodhi * Sondhi * Soni
] T
* Talwar * Thamman * Tandan/Tandon * Trehan * Tuli * Thapar
U
* Uberoi * Uppal
V
* Vadehra * Vig/Vij * Vohra/Wouhara
vedi
W
* Wadhawan * Wahie/Wahi * WAHAL * Wadhera
These are The Khatri clans.Some are Still missing but I request you not to change, remove, add any of the clans of Khatri Clans. 122.162.233.31 (talk) 22:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Among Punjabis in Pakistan, along with Jats, Khatris are a majority
Among Punjabis in Pakistan Jats and Khatris are a majority.Mostly they follow Islam(Both Sunni and Shi'a) in Pakistan.So i request you not to remove this statement. 122.163.203.127 (talk) 19:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Origin of khatri clans
According to DNA test, it observed that, the Khatri, Tarkhan and Jatt clans have Caucasian, Indo-Scythian, Indo-Aryan, Italic, Slavic, Germanic, Iranian, Baltic, Greek Origin.irequest you not to remove this statement. 122.173.6.206 (talk) 08:02, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Khatri are not related to Aroras
Khatris are related to Jatts And Tarkhan and are not related to Aroras, so I Request you not to add this statement. 122.173.2.10 (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Wrong edits
Why you always edit that Khatris are related to Aroras. 122.173.2.10 (talk) 21:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Religion
These are the religions followed by the Khatri people in India, Pakistan and other parts of the world:-
| Religion | Khatri Population % |
|---|---|
| Hinduism | 20% |
| Sikhism | 39% |
| Islam | 40% |
| Jainism | 01% |
I request you not to change this statement. 122.173.2.10 (talk) 21:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Religion
These are the religions followed by the Khatri people in India, Pakistan and other parts of the world:-
| Religion | Khatri Population % |
|---|---|
| Hinduism | 20% |
| Sikhism | 39% |
| Islam | 40% |
| Jainism | 01% |
I request you not to change this statement. 122.173.2.10 (talk) 21:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
WHERE THE F DID YOU COME UP WITH THOSE FIGURES FROM? THE MAJORITY OF KHATRIS ARE HINDUS BUDDY. GET LOST WITH THISE NONSENSE AND DON'T EVER POST TO THIS PAGE AGAIN
--KhatriNYC (talk) 18:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, you crack backstubborn ,don't abuse me.I'am juist telling you that Majority of Khatris are muslims.I am Abdul Fazal Nanda a Muslim Khatri from Gujranwala of Nanda clan. 122.162.142.175 (talk) 13:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
First of all, what the heck is a crack backstubborn? How long did it take you to come up with that word? Second, I am not abusing you, I am abusing your idea and non-factual information, so make that clear. You're just telling me that majority of Khatris are Muslims?? what factual information do you have to back that up (references??). I can provide several to show that the majority of Khatris are Hindus. Now, lets see what you got... --KhatriNYC (talk) 17:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Iam sorry man.Please forgive me.I was just telling that Majority of Khatris are muslims. 122.162.142.175 (talk) 22:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Khatris are not related to Aroras
Khatris are not related to Aroras and Khatris are related to Jatts and Tarkhan.So i request you not enter the name of Arora tribe in Khatri and also not change the religions. 122.173.8.14 (talk) 14:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Listen, for a long time, I use to believe Khatris are not related to Aroras. But these all changed after I did much researach on the topic. The face remains, these two communities are very similar and share much in common, which predates many historical records created by the British. If anything, Aroras are a sub-group of Khatris. All Khatris are not Aroras, but all Aroras are a sub-group of Khatris. Besides, you're not evening posting with a name, you're making your changes anonymously, which is total B.S. Do you understand!? --KhatriNYC (talk) 18:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Content review needed
This article is not encylopedic in tone or content, and probably violates NPOV. Phrases like "Khatris are a fine caste..." reflect a point of view, and need to be sourced. (Who says this?) Sentences such as this lack an encyclopedic style: "All throughout their history Punjab has been their beloved homeland. And it is a slog of destiny that they had to leave their ancestrial home of Punjab upon the partition of India." And so forth.
As a non-Indian hoping to learn more about Khatri, I was disappointed to find the article in this state.. I'm putting a review tag on it. Hopefully some knowledgeable editors can get it up to Wikipedia standards. !melquiades (talk) 04:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I totally agree with this, POV, giving hard opinions and trying to express how "Khatris" all feel collectively should NOT be captured on this page, since the article cannot speak and account for every single Khatri's opinion. --KhatriNYC (talk) 17:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Khatris are related to Jatts and Ramgarhia (Tarkhan) and Khatris are not Related to Aroras
Khatris are related to Jatts and Ramgarhia (Tarkhan) and Khatris are not related to Aroras . I am telling you all this because my Ancestors were the relatives of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. I am a Khatri Sikh.It was told by our Ancestors to continous generations of Family that Khatris were different from Aroras .Khatris are a Distinct Tribe.According to our Ancestors, Khatris are Related to Jatts and Tarkhan tribe. Khatris , Jatts and Ramgarhia (Tarkhan) communities are of Suryavanshi Kshatriya, Caucasian, Turkic, Slavic, Germanic, Albanian, Greek, Iranian, Indo-Aryan and Indo-Scythian tribes. So I request you not to remove this statement From Khatri, Jatts and Ramgarhia.Please I want a Quick response from you. 122.162.142.175 (talk) 13:02, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Khatris are not related to Aroras but khatris are related to Jatts and Ramgarhias
According to our ancestors, Khatris are not related to Aroras but khatris are related to Jatts and Ramgarhias.Why don't you beleive me?Please trust me, Iam not lying.Please, I beg in front of you,Please,God promise ,iam not lying. 122.162.142.175 (talk) 16:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Whats the matter with you man? get a grip with yourself! Let me explain how this works. Aroras are a sub-group of Khatris. Many Khatris do not recognize them as being Khatri because history shows that Aroras migrated from a different part of India (more then likely, centuries ago from the Sindh and the Multan area), and when they settled in the higher north Punjabi regions, the Khatris did not associate the Aroras with themselves, and called them Arora. --KhatriNYC (talk) 14:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
God promise,Iam not lying, my ancestor promise.Please believe me.How can be you so sure that our ancestors were not true?Please man iam just friendly. 122.162.142.175 (talk) 22:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Whats the matter with you man? get a grip with yourself! Let me explain how this works. Aroras are a sub-group of Khatris. Many Khatris do not recognize them as being Khatri because history shows that Aroras migrated from a different part of India (more then likely, centuries ago from the Sindh and the Multan area), and when they settled in the higher north Punjabi regions, the Khatris did not associate the Aroras with themselves, and called them Arora. --KhatriNYC (talk) 19:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC) Man why are you getting angry? 122.162.142.175 (talk) 20:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Man please believe me 122.162.142.175 (talk) 20:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
To the Moderator............
Please watch the edits made by these IP addresses.
--KhatriNYC (talk) 19:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Don't remove
Man why don't you believe me?God promise, Iam not lying. Iam not getting angry with you but your actions of removing statements related to Khatris, Jats and Ramgarhia Tarkhan tribe makes me angry. Iam sorry ,But Iam not lying. If iam lying, I cross my heart and hope to die. 122.162.141.166 (talk) 12:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Khatris are not related to Aroras
Khatris are not related to Aroras but Khatris are related to Ramgarhia Tarkhan Tribe, Jat tribe, Gujjar tribe, Rajput tribe, Kamboj Tribe, Lohar Tribe.According to history and my ancestors(who were the relatives of Guru Nanak Dev ji)the descendants of Seven(7) brothers of an Indo-Scythian Nomadic person from Eurasia,Central Asia and North-Eastern Europe,were these 7 tribes.These tribes also have Slavic, Baltic, Caucasian, Indo-Scythian, Indo-Aryan, Albanian, Greek, Germanic and Iranian origin. According Genetic test,it is proved that these tribes are Closely and indirectly related and connected to each other. These tribes also share many haplotypes with Germanic, Caucasian, Slavic, Baltic, Turkic, Albanian, Greek and Central Asian groups.Please,trust me man,Iam not lying Iam not angry with you man, you are just like my family member.God promise, my ancestor promise, Iam not lying.Why don't you trust and believe me?If I am lying I cross my heart and hope to die. So I Respectfully and Kindly request you not Remove this statement, I promise if iam lying I would die.I also want you Add this statement In Khatri, Tarkhan, Ramgarhia, Jat, Gujjar, Lohar, Rajput, Kamboj Articles.Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze, Believe me, God Promise iam not lying. 122.162.141.166 (talk) 19:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Origin of Khatri clans and relation of Khatri tribe with other Punjabi tribes
The Khatri tribe is closely and indirectly related and connected to Gujjar, Ramgarhia Tarkhan, Jat, Kamboj, Rajput, Kamboj tribes.These seven tribes are said to be the descendants of the 7 sons of an Indo-Scythian Nomadic person, who, many centuries ago came from North-East Europe.According to genetic test some trace and sources,it is proved that These Seven tribes are closely connected with each other.It also proved that these seven tribes have European, Eurasian and Central Asian lineage.All the clans of these seven tribes also have Germanic, Slavic, Baltic, Turkic, Iranian, Greek, Hun, Indo-Scythian (Saka), Indo-Aryan and Albanian origin.God promise iam not lying Please believe me.So I request you not remove this statement from Khatri, Jat and Ramgarhia. 122.162.205.102 (talk) 14:04, 7 April 2009 (UTC)MSNANDA 123 @ Gmail. com
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Khatri (Punjabi: ਖੱਤਰੀ, Hindi: खत्री) is the Punjabi adaptation of Sanskrit word Kshatriya (Hindi: क्षत्रिय, Kşhatriya). The Kshatriya are the traditional members of the Hindu military order. As administrators and rulers, Kshatriya were assigned with protecting Dharma, and serving humanity and the world. In course of time, however, as a result of economic and political exigencies, the Khatri also expanded into other occupations.
Khatris are not warriors. The Khatri community traces its origins to the Potohar, Taxila, Majha regions of the Punjab, and beyond to Central Asia as the early Aryans who migrated to South Asia and settled in the Punjab and Kashmir regions. These regions are historically connected with the composition of the Vedas, the Mahabharata, Ramayana and Puranas as well as more modern religious texts such as the Guru Granth Sahib.
The Khatris are most numerous in the Jalandhar, Rawalpindi, Jhelum, Lahore and Amritsar districts. Another very high concentration of Khatris is in Punjab (India) and Punjab (Pakistan).Khatris are a minority in Delhi. Well integrated into India, from historical times to modern times, the Khatris have played a significant role in the Indian economy, as businessmen, civil and government administrators, landlords and military officials/generals. They can also be found in major towns of Haryana like Karnal, Ambala, Sirsa, Kurukshetra and Hisar. Historically, there were very high concentrations of Khatris in the North-West Frontier Province, notably in Peshawar.
Khatris along with other Punjabi tribes like Tarkhan, Jatts, and Rajputs, historically bore the brunt of all invasions into India yet remaining Indian to the core. Khatris have a significant role in shaping the Punjabi culture. All throughout their history Punjab has been their homeland. When Pakistan and India gained independence, most of the Khatris in what became Pakistan migrated to India. Today Khatris live in all regions of India, but are concentrated in Punjab, Haryana, Delhi, Uttar Pradesh and Gujarat.
Punjabi Khatris were adversely affected by the partition of India, as it resulted in the loss of their traditional home regions. These Khatris migrated to India, where they were forced to start anew their lives. Despite losing their land, businesses, and all other material assets during the partition of India, Khatris earned the clout that they held in pre-partitioned India.
Most Khatris are Hindu or Sikh. Some are Muslim and a smaller minority belong to other faiths such as Jainism. Khatris of all these faiths collectively form one community.
Khatri Family Names
Main article: List of Khatri surnames on Wiktionary
Origin and Distribution
The Khatris are a prominent Indian community of Indo-Sythian who settled in the Taxila and Majha region of north-western Indian subcontinent. This region is of considerable historical significance in the development of the Indian culture since the composition of the Vedas and classics like the Mahabharata, Ramayana and Puranas.
Khatris, Jatts and Tarkhan are descendants of Indo-Scythian(Saka tribes) tribes who settled much later into the Punjab region These groups share many haplotypes with German, Slavic, Iranian, Baltic, and Central Asian groups. According to DNA analysis. These tribes also have European lineage, as the Y-chromosome is found in all these tribes.Khatris are Closely connected with Jat, Ramgarhia Tarkhan, Rajput, Lohar, Gujjar, Kamboj tribes.
Khatris have an extensive military tradition and have excelled in the Armed Forces having received many honors and gallantary awards for their service. Within the Indian Armed Forces (Bharatiya Thalsena) the present Chief of Army Staff of the Indian Army, General Deepak Kapoor is Khatri and he took charge from another Khatri, General Joginder Jaswant Singh Marwah who took charge from another Khatri, General Nirmal Chander Vij.
For the most part, Khatris have served in the civil, government, and military sectors for centuries.[1]. In addition, Khatris have significantly contributed to Indian Cinema since the times of Prithviraj Kapoor and continue to flourish in the arts today.
Description of "Khatri Caste" from the GAZETTEER LUDHIANA by Government of Indian State of Punjab, India
Khatris. – Khatri is a popular variant of the Sanskrit word Kashtrya, which was used to describe the warrior caste among the Hindu according to the varanashram propounded by the Shastras. In course of time as a result of economic and political exigencies, however, the Khatris also resorted to mercantile occupations, which were originally adopted by the Vaisas, the trading classes.
Like Brahmans there are further sub-divisions amongst Khatris-Bannjais, Sarin, Dhaigharas, chargharas, etc. in the reign of Alaudin Khiliji widoe re-marriage was enforced. Fifty-two castes of Khatris are said to have submitted a memorandum, duly signed, to the Emperor. The signatory castes are called Banjais. Certain castes of eastern Punjab refused to sign the memorandum and were called Shari-Ain, later corrupted to that of Sarin. The Khokhrain baradari is said to consist of the descendants of certain families of Khatris who were believed to have joined the Khokhars in a rebellion and with them other Khatri families were loath to have matrimonial relations. The Bahri section of the descendants of Mehr Chand, Khan Chand and Kapur Chand, three Khatris who went to Delhi in attandance upon one of Akbar’s Rajput wives, and who thus separated from rest of the Khatri castes, married only within each other’s families.8 (8.These appear to be conjectural for the same division appears among the Brahmans of western plains.) the number of the members of this caste is fairly large. The more prominenty, however, in point of social rank are the Mehra or Mehrotra, Khanna, Kapur and the Seth sub-castes.
Prior to partition certain castes, such as churamani, Nanda. Khullar, Jerath, Chopra and Vij were particularly associated with Ludhiana; Behl, Kapoor, Mehra, Seth, Berri Sencher and Dhir with jagraon; Batte, sondhi and Karir with Machhiwara and Bahlolpur; sehgal and Thapar with Rai kot and Had and Cham with Khanna and Sally, Sanan and Handa with Batala. After partition different castes of Khatris have been widely dispersed with the result that it is very difficult to ascertain their numbers caste-wise, especially because compilation of statistics according to castes has been discontinued since 1947.
Khatris are generally mild in disposition. They are mostly literate and law abiding.Khatris in the district are a great commercial class. They have also made their mark in industry. In Payal sub-tahsil they are generally land-owners. They also engage themselves in Government or private service[2]
Source: Castes, People, GAZETTEER LUDHIANA, Department of Revenue, Government of Punjab (India)[3]
Prominent historical Khatris
One of the most important character of famous Punjabi legend Raja Rasalu is minister Mahita Chopra,[4][5] Most scholars agree that Raja Rasalu ruled from Sialkot and lived sometime between 400 to 500 AD.[6] If it is true then Chopra clan name originated in that time.[7]
Many prominent historical figures have emerged from the Khatri. All ten Sikh Gurus were Khatri. Three out of the five "dear fives" Chosen by Guru Gobind singh were so called Dalits or low castes. This clearly reinforces the fact that people do not become superior by being khatris, jatts or Brahmins. The four gots of Sikh gurus existed at least since 15th century AD: As also the names of most Khatris included the word 'Dev', such as Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Guru Angad Dev Ji etc.
- Guru Nanak: Bedi
- Guru Angad: Trehan
- Guru Amar Das: Bhalla
- All seven others: Sodhi
Raja Fateh Chand was a Maini Khatri chieftain of Bihar who served Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji with dedication during his visit in 1665. Raja Fateh Chand and his wife converted their house into a dharamsala for the sangat or devotees to assemble in holy congregation. The place came to be known as Maini Sangat. On the site now stands Gurdwara Bal Lila Maini Sangat.
Haqiqat Rai was a Puri Khatri whose martyrdom was celebrated on Basant Panchami in Lahore until independence. Hari Singh Nalwa,[8] Maharaja Ranjit Singh's most feared general was an Uppal Khatri. The father and son pair of the Diwans Sawan Mal and Mul Raj Chopra were successive governors of Multan under Ranjit Singh.
Khatris and Sun Worship
Raja Vanvihari Kapoor has written that major Khatri clans are named after Lord Sun.[9] are mentioned below.
- Kripakar Kapur Priests: Pambu
- Shankan Khanna Priests: Jhingana
- Martanada Tandon Priests: Jhingana
- Mitra Mehra Priests: Jetali
- Shreshtha Seth
- Mahendra Mahindru
- Bahukar Bahora (Vohra)
- Chakravali Chaupada (Chopra)
- Karalagni Kakkar Priests: Kumadiye
- Surya Suri
- Sahasrakar Sahgal Priests: Mohile
According to the Bhavishya Purana, Punjab indeed was an ancient center of Sun worship.
Sanatan Khatris
A majority of Khatris are Sanatan Hindus.[10] As noted in the introduction, the Khatri community have been positioned in roles of administration, rule and warfare within Punjab. The Khatris were the patrons ('yajamansas' or in Punjabi 'jajmani') of the Saraswat Brahmins.[9] The Khatris are among the very few non-Brahmin communities that have traditionally studied the Vedas.[11] Additionally, Saraswat Brahmins accept both Kachcha and Pakka food from Khatri's.
Arya Samaj Khatris
Swami Dayanand was invited to Punjab to counter the missionaries by prominent individuals who also founded the Singh Sabha. He established Arya Samaj in Lahore in 1877, which was against casteism, rituals, idol worship and promoted strict monotheism, which he claimed was the essential message of the Vedas. Arya Samaj became popular among Punjabi Hindus, especially Khatris[12] who were attracted to a similar message by the Sikh Gurus earlier.[13] Arya Samaj inspired individuals like Swami Shraddhanand and institutions like Dayanand Anglo-Vedic Schools System started by Lala Hansraj.[14]
Sikh Khatris
A portion of the Khatris are Sikh.[15] All the Ten Sikh Gurus were Khatris from the Sodhi, Bedi, Trehan and Bhalla clans which like other Khatri clans, claim Suryavanshi Kshatriya, Indo-Scythian, Caucasian and Indo-Aryan descent according to the autobiographical Bichitra Natak by Guru Gobind Singh.[16] During the lifetime of the Gurus, most of their major supporters and Sikhs were Khatris. A list of this is provided by Bhai Gurdas in Varan Bhai Gurdas, a contemporary of the Sikh Gurus.[17]
The martial development by the Sikh Gurus is well documented, with the first master (Guru Nanak Dev) Ji, calling upon Sikhs to make a "ball of their head" to play the game of love. The second Guru (Guru Angad Dev) Ji encouraged physical activities of Sikhs by encouraging wrestling bouts and Kabaddi. The 6th Guru (Guru Hargobind Dev) Ji took up the sword and fought many battles against neighboring Rajputs and Mughals. The 9th Guru Guru Teg Bahadhur Dev Ji fought many battles with the 6th Guru and was an accomplished martial artist. The 10th master Guru Gobind Singh Ji, was proficient in the art of warfare as well as an accomplished swordsman, marksman and equestrian. The tenth Guru's maternal side of the family were accomplished warriors and fighters in their own right. Guru Gobind Singh Ji's maternal uncle, Kirpal Chand Ji served as a General in Guru Hargobind Ji army and guided Guru Gobind Singh ji from an early age.
The sacred sections of the Khatris :-There are four sacred sections among the Khatris, whose position must be touched upon, These are the:-
Bedi (Guru Nanak Dev) Ji of the Dharman-Bunjahi or Chota -Sarin sub group.
Sodhi (Last seven Gurus) of the Chota Sarin sub-Group.
Trehan (Guru Angad Dev) Ji of the Bara-Sarin sub group
Bhalla (Guru Amar Das) Ji of the Bara-Sarin sub group.
These four sections became sanctified by the births of the various Sikh Gurus to them[18]
Sahib Singh Bedi (1756-1834), was tenth in direct descent from Guru Nanak Dev Ji, and much revered in Sikh times for his piety as well as for his martial prowess. He was born at Dera Baba Nanak, Gurdaspur district. At the time of Maharaja Ranjit Singh's coronation at Lahore on April 11, 1801, Baba Sahib Singh Bedi placed the tilak or mark of sovereignty on Ranjit Singh's forehead anoiting him Maharaja of Punjab.
Bhai Binod Singh, was a Khatri of the Trehan clan and a direct descendent of the second Sikh Guru Guru Angad Dev Ji. Bhai Binod Singh was a devoted disciple of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and was one of the few Sikhs to accompany the tenth master to the South in 1708. Bhai Binod Singh fought many battles as a Commander and was leader of the Tatt Khalsa, (True Khalsa). It was Bhai Binod Singh whose Tatt Khalsa declared the official Sikh Warcry to be Sat Sri Akal.
Bhai Daya Singh- Was a Khatri of the Sobti clan and the "first" of the Panj Pyare
. In the historic divan in the Keshgarh Fort at Anandpur on 30 March 1699, Bhai Daya Singh was the first to rise at the Guru's call and offer his head.
During the reign of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, the Misl that was always ahead of other Misls and continuously moving ahead and helping other Sikh Misls was the Dallewalia Misl, founded and led by Gulab Singh Dallewalia a Khatri Sikh.
One head of the family Baba Tikka Baba Harbhajan Singh Bedi is based in Chandigarh, India. Tikka Baba Harbhajan Singh Bedi is the 16th Descendent in the bloodline starting from Guru Nanak Dev Ji with two sons Tikka Surjinder Singh Bedi and Kunwar Arvinder Singh Bedi. Arvinder Singh Bedi is blessed with two sons Tikka Nain Noor Singh Bedi and Kunwar Gagandeep Singh Bedi making the 18th current bloodline starting from Guru Nanak Dev Ji.
Many Hindu Khatri families raised at least one Sikh son after the formation of the Khalsa in 1699. This resulted in Khatri clan names being present in both Hindu and Sikh communities worldwide.
Jain Khatris
The number of Khatris who are Jain is very small. However, one of the best known Jain munis in recent times, Acharya Atmaram (also known as Shri Vijayanandsuri<\ref>The Svetambar Murtipujak Jain Mendicant, by John E. Cort Man, 1991 Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland.
Muslim Khatris
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Majority of Khatris are Muslim. The Muslim Khatri (Template:Lang-ur) are the Khatri converts to Islam. With the advent of Islam following invasions by Turkic tribes from Afghanistan and the North West Frontier Province from the 11th century onwards, there were conversions of Hindus to the faith from among various Punjabi communities, including Khatris.Generally they retained their tribal, clan or caste affiliations as has been the norm in the region. Similarly, the Khatris who converted to Islam, continue to retain a strong social identity and are known as Punjabi Shaikhs.
Pakistan continues to have a prominent community of Khatris known as Punjabi Shaikhs as well as Khawaja Shaikhs. Some Muslim Khatris like the Sahgal family,Aftab Ahmed Vohra,Najam Sethi,etc of Pakistan are examples of well-known and successful Muslim Khatris. They are also known as Qanungoh Shaikh, Khoja and Chiniotis.
In addition to these Punjabi speaking Muslim Khatris, the Urdu-speaking Punjabi Saudagaran-e-Delhi community are also of Khatri ancestry. Historically, this community lived in Delhi, and other north Indian towns, but after the partition of India, they have all moved to Pakistan.In Pakistan also the Muslim Khatris are expanded to various occupations.
Khatris in Central Asia
The Khatris, along with Aroras and Lohanas engaged in trade in Central Asia.[19][20] The Hindu temples of Kabul and the Hindu Fire Temple of Baku built and maintained by them still exist.
Khatri Organizations
The sessions of Akhil Bhartiya Khatri Mahasabha were held in Lucknow in 1916, 1936, 1952 and 1980. Lucknow Khatri Sabha was established in 1927 and publication Khatri Hitashi was started in 1936.[21]
Divisions among the Khatris
There are social divisions within the community which includes the Dhai-Ghar (2&1/2 Houses), Bara-Ghar (12 Houses), Bunjahi (52 Houses), Sarin and Kukhran Khatris.[10]
The Bunjahi Khatris include the Bedi and Sodhi clans, to which belonged the founders of the Sikh faith.
Divisions recorded in the Ain-i-Akbari
Divisions among the Khatri groups were reported by Emperor Akbar's close adviser Abu'l Fazal in his book Ain-i-Akbari (compiled in 1590 AD).[22][23]
There are several subdivisions within the Khatri clans. There are the Dhai Ghar (i.e. 2 1/2 houses - the number 3 being considered unlucky) grouping comprising of Mehra/Mehrotra/Mehrota/Malhotra, Khanna and Kapur/Kappor/Kapoor.[24] Along with the Seth clan these four subdivisions form the Char Ghar (4 houses) grouping.[10]
According to H.A. Rose's book, Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and NWFP, Chopra, Dhawan, Gandhoke, Kakar, Mahindru, Sahgal, Soni, Talwar, Tandon, Vohra, Wadhaun, and Wahi, all form the Barah-Jati group of Khatris.
[10] Another group is called Bavanjai (52).[10] Other regional clan groupings include the Sarin and the Kukhran.
Regionally Nanda, Khullar, Jerath, Chopra and Vig were particularly connected with Ludhiana; Bahl, Kapoor, Mehra, Seth, Beri, and Dhir with Jagraon; Sondhi with Machhiwara and Bahlolpur; Sehgal and Thapar with Raikot; Gulla with Sahowala, Bhopalwala - Daska Gujranwala - Sialkot, Delhi & Ghaziabad and Had and Cham with Khanna[25]
Kukhran
Kukhran (also spelt Khukhrain/Kukhrain) are a regional subcaste of Khatris[10] of nine clans of Punjab, originally from the town of Bhera in the Jech doab (Jhelum - Chenab interfluve) region of Sargodha district of Pakistani Punjab. A significant number of Kukhrans, along with other major Khatri groups, adopted Sikhism during the 18th and 19th centuries. The nine Kukhran family names are Anand, Bhasin, Chadha, Chandok, Kohli, Sabharwal, Sahni/Sawhney, Sethi and Suri. The Prime Minister of India, Dr. Manmohan Singh is a Kukhran of the Kohli clan.
Origin of Khatri clans
The Khatri clans,like Jatt and Tarkhan clans have Caucasian, Indo-Scythian, Indo-Aryan, Baltic, Germanic, Slavic, Greek, Albanian and Iranian origin. Because of this, these three tribes have European, Central Asian and Eurasian Lineage.
Please don't change this.It is mentioned in Indo-Scythian, Jat and Ramgarhia that Khatri tribe is closely related to Jat and Ramgarhia tribes.It is also mentioned that These tribes have Slavic, Baltic, Germanic, Albanian, Turkic, Greek, Hun, Indo-Scythian and Indo-Aryan origin. So Damn request you do not remove, change anything in Khatri. 122.162.205.102 (talk) 09:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
What makes you so damn sure that the page for Jats and Ramgharia page on wikipedia is even accurate? who the heck are you to change this page, you provide no reliable edits, commments, or educated information. WHO do you you think you are removing my Discussion sections from this Discussion board you ignorant s__t????!!! I WILL ASK THE MODERATOR TO BAN YOU FROM THIS PAGE ON THE GROUNDS THAT YOU REMOVE MY DISCUSSION sections without making a case or getting my approval first. DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!?? --KhatriNYC (talk) 13:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Please man
Please man don't get angry. Iam sorry .I quick response 122.162.205.102 (talk) 15:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
yea I know you're sorry. Your a sorry individual. You need to get a life, because you clearly show you have too much time on your hands if you just come here and try to act like you really are contributing to this article, but, infact, are just trying to be annoying on purpose to cause a fight. Its not hard to figure you out, you're definitely not the brightest of the lot I can tell you that much
--KhatriNYC (talk) 17:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
God promise
My ancestors were the relatives of Guru Nanak Dev Ji.My ancestors told continous generations of our family. God promise and my ancestors promise iam not lying man please believe me. How can be you so sure that my ancestors were not true.If iam taking God promise then you also think that iam lying? I want a quick response. 122.162.205.102 (talk) 15:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
That's all fine and dandy that your ancestors were the relatives of Guru Nanak (more power to you my friend), however, that does not prove anything about what we are discussing here about the Khatri relationship to Aroras, and being of Indo-Aryan lineage.
--KhatriNYC (talk) 18:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
According to my ancestors who were the relatives of Guru Nanak Dev Ji , my ancestors told the continous generations of our family that Khatris are related to Jat, Ramgarhia Tarkhan, Gujjar, Kamboj, Rajput and Lohar tribes.If these 6 tribes arre related to Khatri tribe and have Indo-Scythian origin, therefore it is true that Khatris Have Indo-Scythian origin.One more thing According my ancestors,Aroras are not related to Khatris and Aroras are not of Indo-Scythian origin.
Therefore, it is proved that Khatris are not related to Aroras, but Khatris are related to Jat, Ramgarhia Tarkhan, Lohar, Gujjar, Rajput and Lohar tribes. These 7 tribes Indo-Aryan, Indo-Scythian, Germanic, Slavic, Baltic, Celtic, Hun, Caucasian, Turkic, Greek and Albanian ancestral lineage.
God promise i always say the truth.I want quick reponse. 122.162.247.120 (talk) 08:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
The Khatris are a prominent Indian community who settled in the Taxila and Majha region of north-western Indian subcontinent during the Aryan migrations. This region is of considerable historical significance in the development of the Indian culture since the composition of the Vedas and classics like the Mahabharata, Ramayana and Puranas.
Khatris are related to Jatts, Tarkhan, Rajput, Lohar, Kamboj and Gujjar. These tribes are descendants of Indo-Scythian (Saka). While all these tribes through generations before have common anscestors and share blood with Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, Baltic, Italic, Greek, Albanian, Caucasian, Indo-Scythian and Indo-Aryan people, there is however a divided amongst them as far as when each settled (during different migration waves) in the North-West Frontier Province, Punjab and Kashmir regions. These groups share many haplotypes with German, Slavic, Iranian, Baltic, and Central Asian groups. According to DNA analysis, these tribes also have European lineage, as the Y-chromosome is found in all these tribes.
Khatris have an extensive military tradition and have excelled in the Armed Forces having received many honors and gallantary awards for their service. Within the Indian Armed Forces (Bharatiya Thalsena) the present Chief of Army Staff of the Indian Army, General Deepak Kapoor is Khatri and he took charge from another Khatri, General Joginder Jaswant Singh Marwah who took charge from another Khatri, General Nirmal Chander Vij.
For the most part, Khatris have served in the civil, government, and military sectors for centuries.[26]. In addition, Khatris have significantly contributed to Indian Cinema since the times of Prithviraj Kapoor and continue to flourish in the arts today.
If iam taking God promise, then how can you say that Iam lying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.247.120 (talk) 17:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
All the Ten Sikh Gurus were Khatris from the Sodhi, Bedi, Trehan and Bhalla clans which like other Khatri clans, claim Suryavanshi Kshatriya, Indo-Scythian, Caucasian and Indo-Aryan descent according to the autobiographical Bichitra Natak by Guru Gobind Singh.[27]
In Bichitra Natak, it also reffered that Khatris are related to Jat, Gujjar, Kamboj, Lohar, Ramgarhia Tarkhan and Rajput tribes. 122.162.247.120 (talk) 17:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
After all this, then you also think that Khatris are not related Jat, Ramgarhia Tarkhan, Gujjar, Kamboj, Lohar and Rajput tribes and like these 6 tribes, Khatris have Same common ancestral linage of Indo-Scythian tribes and share coomon blood with Caucasian, Turkic, Baltic, Slavic, Greek, Albanian, Germanic, Italic, Celtic, Indo-Aryan, Indo-Scythian tribes..[28] 122.162.247.120 (talk) 17:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC) 122.162.247.120 (talk) 17:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Man please believe me. 122.162.247.120 (talk) 16:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC) One more thing Khatris are related to Jat, Ramgarhia Tarkhan, Gujjar, Kamboj, Rajput and Lohar tribes and Khatris are not related to Aroras.I can prove this.Because Aroras are related to Ahluwalia.One more reason is that Many common surnames are cross-listed between Jat, Khatri, Ramgarhia Tarkhan, Gujjar, Kamboj, Rajput and Lohar tribes.One more reason is that My ancestors were the relatives of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Jassa Singh Ramgarhia, Hari Singh Nalwa and Banda Singh Bahadur,in which Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Hari Singh Nalwa belonged to Khatri tribe, Jassa Singh Ramgarhia belonged to Tarkhan tribe, Maharaja Ranjit Singh belonged to Sandhawalia tribe of Jats and Banda Singh Bahadur belonged to Minhas Rajput family.Now can you trust me? Please man Iam not lying, I always tell the truth, my ancestors and God promise. My ancestors told the continous generations of our family that Khatris are related Jat, Gujjar, Tarkhan, Lohar and Rajput tribes and these tribes are of Indo-Scythian (Saka), Indo-Aryan, Caucasian, Celtic, Germanic, Central Asian, Albanian, Greek, Slavic, Italic, Baltic, Kshaitrya and Iranian Origin.These tribes also have European, Central Asian and Eurasian Ancestral lineage. 122.162.247.120 (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
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Don't change this please request. 122.162.247.120 (talk) 09:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
ON WHAT GROUNDS DO YOU MAKE YOUR CHANGES? YOU PROVIDE NO SUPPORT OR CITATIONS THAT CAN BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS FOR REMOVING CONTENT THAT HAS REFERENCES IN PLACE TO SUPPORT IT. I HAVE GIVEN YOU MANY WARNINGS......
--KhatriNYC (talk) 14:28, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Man please believe me My ancestors promise if iam taking God promise and my ancestor promise then you also think that i am lying.Aroras are not related to Khatris but Aroras are related to Ahluwalia. Khatris are related to Jat, Tarkhan, Gujjar, Kamboj, Rajput, Lohar tribes. I want a quick response RajwantSinghRamgarhia 122.162.247.120 (talk) 15:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
One more thing Khatris are related to Jat, Ramgarhia Tarkhan, Gujjar, Kamboj, Rajput and Lohar tribes and Khatris are not related to Aroras.I can prove this.Because Aroras are related to Ahluwalia.One more reason is that Many common surnames are cross-listed between Jat, Khatri, Ramgarhia Tarkhan, Gujjar, Kamboj, Rajput and Lohar tribes.One more reason is that My ancestors were the relatives of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Jassa Singh Ramgarhia, Hari Singh Nalwa and Banda Singh Bahadur,in which Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Hari Singh Nalwa belonged to Khatri tribe, Jassa Singh Ramgarhia belonged to Tarkhan tribe, Maharaja Ranjit Singh belonged to Sandhawalia tribe of Jats and Banda Singh Bahadur belonged to Minhas Rajput family.Now can you trust me? Please man Iam not lying, I always tell the truth, my ancestors and God promise. My ancestors told the continous generations of our family that Khatris are related Jat, Gujjar, Tarkhan, Lohar and Rajput tribes and these tribes are of Indo-Scythian (Saka), Indo-Aryan, Caucasian, Celtic, Germanic, Central Asian, Albanian, Greek, Slavic, Italic, Baltic, Kshaitrya and Iranian Origin.These tribes also have European, Central Asian and Eurasian Ancestral lineage...[29] Nobleeagle 122.162.247.120 (talk) 15:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I 100% agree with this man.He is right in my family also my relatives are of Khatri, Jatt, Tarkhan, Rajput, Gujjar, Lohar and Kamboj tribes.
122.163.208.110 (talk) 08:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Me to man.
122.163.208.110 (talk) 08:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I also support this person. 122.163.208.110 (talk) 08:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
We senior citizens support this man. 122.163.208.110 (talk) 08:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I went to Gurudwara Bangla Sahib where I came to know that Khatri, Jat, Tarkhan, Rajput, Lohar, Kamboj and Gujjar people had common ancestors through generations, who were of Indo-Scythian origin. --Danaman5 122.163.208.110 (talk) 08:49, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Name of Khatri Sikhs
Khatri Sikhs are also called Jat Sikhs and Ramgarhia Sikhs, because of the relation of Khatri tribe with the Jat and Ramgarhia Tarkhan tribes. --Danaman5
122.163.208.219 (talk) 08:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
What is your problem
What is your problem man, why don't you understand.You also do not respond to my suggestions.KHATRIS ARE THE DIRECT DESCENDANTS OF INDO-SCITHYANS AND KHATRIS ARE CLOSELY RELATED TO JATTS, RAJPUT, TARKHAN, GUJJAR, LOHAR, KAMBOJ TRIBES.Khatris are not related to Aroras, But Aroras are related to Ahluwalia, Mohyal and Mazhabi people. Khatris are of Indo-Scythian origin and Khatris are not of Kshaitrya origin. Thats it. Nobleeagle 122.163.208.110 (talk) 08:34, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
List of anonymous IP s used by Cranks to post on this article
I have reintroduced this section , as a very large no of anonymous ips continue to post junk on this page .
Apparently there are several users with an agenda posting junk or deleting content from this page . If you come across one not listed here please add. It may be useful to check the other contributions of these crank ips as well as their WHOIS origin .
Perhaps they may respond to posts on their Discusssion page recording a history of their vandal edits on variou articles .<nr>
Intothefire (talk) 06:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.208.110 (talk)
All Khatri clans are related to Tarkhan and Jatt tribe.Khatri clans are not related to Arora clans.
[[Khatri are related to Tarkhan and Jatt tribe.The Khatri clans, Tarkhan clans and Jatt clans have common Indo-Scythian origin.All the clans of these three tribes are found all the parts of world.People of all the Khatri clans and some Jatt and Tarkhan clans are found among Punjabi Hindus, Punjabi Muslims and Sikhs.These clans of these three tribes are found as a majority in Punjab of Pakistan.Arora tribe is not found in Punjab of Pakistan.The Arora tribe is different from The Jatt, Khatri and Tarkhan tribes.So, I request you not remove any topic to related to Relation Jatts, Khatris and Tarkhan tribes.also, do not remove or change the Khatri, Tarkhan and Jatt clans and I also request you not change any article related to Jatts, Tarkhan, Khatris.Because, according to the census of 1951 to 2001,it is reported that many Khatri people of all 52 clans of Khatri tribe(Including Khukhran Khatris) are living along with Jatts and Tarkhan are living All the parts of Pakistan ,Northern India and other parts of world.The relegions followed by the people of all the clans of these three tribes are Islam(Both Sunni and Shi'a), Sikhism and Hinduism.I am not threatening you, but your actions of removing topics from the articles (Mentioned above) makes me angry.Please don't get angry.I like your website Wikipedia.if you are getting angry, for that I am sorry.But I want to know ,why you are removing the information ? 122.163.208.110 (talk) 12:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC) He is right please accept this. --Danaman5
This man is absolutely 100% right.Please do add this. Nobleeagle
I have also read in a history book which tells that Khatris are related to Jat, Tarkhan, Rajput, Gujjar, Kamboj and Lohar tribes.
Sorry man
Please man don't protect this page I request you i will never do this again.I want a quick response. I am Sorry . I apologize . But please don't do this.my name is msnanda. User:msnanda
when was the last time you got laid bro? you have way too much time on your hands. Go get a girlfriend, and stop being so bored in life. You know everyone on this page can tell you are a loner right?
--KhatriNYC (talk) 18:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
First thing iam a 10 year old boy. Can you do one thing, just remove the protection. User:msnandaMsnanda (talk) 13:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Wait out the protection and go do something else for the time being. Momo san Gespräch 14:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Remove Aroras
Please just remove that Arora tribe is related to Khatri tribe and add that Khatris are closely related to Jatt, Tarkhan, Rajput, Lohar, Kamboj and Gujjar tribes[31].These 7 tribes also have Indo-Scythian origin along with European, Central Asian and Eurasian lineage as Y-Chromosome is found in These 7 tribes.user:msnanda--Msnanda (talk) 11:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC) Msnanda (talk) 11:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Why are you so adament on removing this, when you provide no citations for your bogus facts? You cannot use other Wiki pages to as support/citations since these themselves are inputted by users like you and me. I suggest you refrain from making anymore edits to this page, you clearly are not a positive contributor.
--KhatriNYC (talk) 14:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- If Msnanda is going to make these bogus edits when the protection ends, then the page will have to be protected again. This is why it got protected in the first place, to force discussion to the talk page which is happening above. Momo san Gespräch 14:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
OK iam sorry i will never do this.But just remove the names of all the tribes amd write that Khatris are of Indo-Scythian origin.[32] user:Msnanda 122.162.136.131 (talk) 08:38, 2 May 2009 (UTC) Man how can you say that my ancestors were wrong.How do you know that While Aroras and Ahluwalias had common ancestors. First of all my family use the surname nanda,but my real surname is Virdi. and i am a Khatri, my cousins either have Jat, Ramgarhia or Khatri surnames.Now can you believe me. user:Msnanda 122.162.136.131 (talk) 18:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Historians derive "Jat" fom "Gatae", "Ahir" from "Avar", "Saka" from "Scythii", "Gujjar and Khatri" from "Khazar", "Thakur and Tarkhan (Punjab)" from "Tukharian", "Saurashtra" from "Saura Matii" or "Sarmatians", "Sisodia" (a Rajput clan) from "Sassanian" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Msnanda (talk • contribs) 11:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Please man believe me.iam not lying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Msnanda (talk • contribs) 11:27, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
I need an answer.usermsnanda Msnanda (talk) 13:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC) It also referred in Arora that Khatris are not related Aroras and Aroras are related to Ahluwalia tribe. user:msnanda122.162.49.196 (talk) 11:57, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Iam gonna change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.173.7.136 (talk) 09:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
You ain't gonna change jack sh*t you loser using IP 122.173.7.136! Don't even try it son, you will get torched
--KhatriNYC (talk) 15:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Listen KhatriNYC.I just want to tell you Khatris are related to Jatt, Tarkhan, Rajput, Lohar, Gujjar and Kamboj people. Why don't you understand.Many times I have told you that my ancestors were the relatives of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Guru Nanak Dev Ji told our relatives and our relatives and ancestors told the continous generations of the family that Khatris are closely related to Jatt, Tarkhan, Rajput, Lohar, Gujjar and Kamboj tribes. My cousins or the relatives either are Jatt having Khatri , Ramgarhia, Jatt, Lohar , Gujjar, and Kamboj surnames, Ramgarhia of Khatri, Jatt, Lohar, Kamboj, Gujjar ad Rajput surnames and so on. So the why don't you believe me, 100 times i told you the same thing. One more thing i forgot to tell you that Aroras were a part of Ahluwalia tribe during the formation of Khalsa. The Ahluwalia people, who migrated to Aror/Arorkot, Sindh came to be known as Aroras. Than you still want to prove that Khatris are related Aroras. Why you want this?Aroras and Ahluwalias had common ancestors, while the Khatris, Jatts, Tarkhan people, Gujjar, Rajputs, Lohars and Kamboj people had common ancestors.One more thing is that Khatri, jatt, Ramgarhia, Lohar, Kamboj, Gujjar and Rajput people have Indo-Scythian and Indo-Aryan origin origin.While the Aroras Ahluwalias have only Indo-Aryan origin. Still you don't believe me, than reply--Msnanda (talk) 07:29, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
What the hell are you doing. Not Responding.HAHAHAHA man I am your friend. Why don't you reply. You have no answer.I know you want me to change this page.--Msnanda (talk) 07:29, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Look KhatriNYC,lets just be friendly.I just told you my ancestors were the relatives of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and my some ancestors were Also Jatt, Ramgarhia, Rajput, Lohar, Khatri, Gujjar, Kamboj people.Why don't you understand me you never reply until and unless i change something on this page.What is the problem with you man.please man i am begging in front of you.Please reply--Msnanda (talk) 20:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
What the hell!Listen, you don't know how to answer my Question.Why don't you answer--Msnanda (talk) 22:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Khatris and Europeans
Someone has inserted:
- The Khatri clans,like Jatt and Tarkhan clans have Celtic, Caucasian, Indo-Scythian, Indo-Aryan, Baltic, Germanic, Slavic, Greek, Albanian and Iranian origin. Because of this, these three tribes have European, Central Asian and Eurasian Lineage.
It does not make sense.
Khatris are similar to other communities in Pothohar and nearby regions and are associated with some of the supposed "aryan" attributes like a lighter skin. Afghans too were aryan (and Hindu). That does not make them similar to Europeans. Ultimately, all the humanity is interrelated.
What is this fascination with Europeans?
It is totally misleading to include European maps. Khatris are people mainly from the Indian subcontinent, although like many other Indians, a few of them have emigrated overseas.--ISKapoor (talk) 17:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
- Agree with ISKapoor further
- This article needs some serious deletion of superfluous and uncorroborated content.
- The inclusion of the abundant collection of flags is simply self-indulgent tripe .
- The relation with Indo Scythian seems like OR , unless substantiated with references from verifiable and credible sources .
- Lastly the obsessive insertions linking Khatris with Jats and Tarkhan , and delinking with Aroras , whats this about ?
Seems like a funny fixation/obsession with a user who keep posting exactly this type of content on scores of pages , un accompanied as it is without with proper citations . Intothefire (talk) 01:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
You are right man . Khatris are not europeans,but they also not related to Aroras.I telll you my ancestors were the relatives of Guru Nanak Dev ji and my relatives are either Jatt, Khatri or ramgarhia.the different thing is that Khatris are of Indo-Scythian origin. Khatris have close genetic and ethnic relations with Jatt, Ramgarhia, Rajput, Lohar, Gujjar and Kamboj people.Please man trust me God promise iam not lying.Reply fast--Msnanda (talk) 14:59, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- Hi user Msnanda
- lol ....why dident you say earlier !
- Cheers Intothefire (talk) 06:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Needs to be reorganized
The article is well written, but should follow the wikipedia guidelines and improve on the organisation of the article. All editors are therefore requested to take appropriate steps in re-organizing the article and make it more reader friendly. The article has been written more haphazardly which may confuse the readers. Cheers Nefirious (talk) 06:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Dubious claims
I find this hard to believe that the 'Khatirs' had a European connection. This is a dubious claim. The reference given also does not seem to be promising. I am looking for a more comprehensive and satisfying explanation for this. A more authentic reference or a source will suffice my queries and doubts.Nefirious (talk) 07:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Iam not saying that Khatris have connection with Europeans. My ancestors were the Realtives of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and my ancestors told that Khatris are related to Jatts, Rajputs, Gujjars, Lohars, Tarkhans and Kamboj people.These Seven tribes are the descendants of Indo-Scythians. You know that Indo-Scyhtians came from Siberia, so it can be possible that Khatri have european connections.No European but some Central Asian connections.But it is sure that Khatris have no relations with Aroras.Because Aroras have genetic relations with Ahluwalias. Khatris and Aroras are different people.Please Believe me.--Msnanda (talk) 16:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- 'Strongly Agree with Nefirious
- If dubious claims continue unsubstantiated all such content should be removed
- 'Strongly Agree with Nefirious
Intothefire (talk) 07:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
This user is a serial vandal and nonsense posting user .
Every single post over many articles are simplyUnsubstantiated .
This includes its european connection posts and other pet obsessions .
Intothefire (talk) 07:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
OK I am gonna remove it.--Msnanda (talk) 08:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
OK i apologize please i am MSNANDA.--122.173.243.55 (talk) 17:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Msnanda or whatever IP address he/she hids behind is the biggest loser. Stop coming to this site you dork and posting bogus information.
--KhatriNYC (talk) 05:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Man iam many times i changed this wrong page but some person write again the same thing.PleaseIntothefire,KhatriNYCIam sorry, iam going change but please don't blame me.Man iam just a teenager.Please you do not believe a kid who is begging in front,is it so hard for you to forgive a kid? --Msnanda (talk) 07:31, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- I have left a warning for his disruptive edit on another page. I feel he should be banned if he continues making such edits. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:16, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you , iam not gonna do this thing again--Msnanda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.3.95 (talk) 12:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Msnanda = dweeb, loser! Are you mentally deranged?? First, you once said you were 10 yrs old, now you are saying you are a teenagar. I mean what do you even care for this stuff at your age anyways?? This is grown up talk, get lost! I highly doubt your age being that young anyways.....your just an immature adolescent or adult i bet
--KhatriNYC (talk) 19:15, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Firlsty i lied that my age is 10 Now god promise i am telling you the truth that iam 19 years old.122.162.3.95 (talk) 22:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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