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• cinnamon hummingbird blurb - At "Its diet usually consists of food foraged from the understory to the mid-story, but will also visit taller flowering trees." - pls insert missing pronoun 'it' after "but". JennyOz (talk) 13:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

General discussion

Propose-a-new-item link for ITN?

Of our four above-the-fold items, two have relatively static content: TFA is chosen well ahead of time, and OTD only covers events of previous years. Meanwhile, DYK has a link directly to the proposals page, but ITN has no link to WP:ITN/C. Why don't we add one? Nyttend (talk) 03:41, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree, it's difficult to find where to make a proposal for ITN. I only found it by doing a search for "in the news", which isn't really very user friendly. Richerman (talk) 12:14, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

You mean apart from the link in the whopping great yellow tag on the top of this page and in the box above the edit window for this page? — foxj 13:48, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Strong oppose. There is a long-standing consensus that the Main Page is aimed at readers, not editors. Anyone who wants to nominate an item can find the link at the top of this page, and in the edit notice for this page, and in the toolbox above. Note that we don't have links to the equivalents for other days e.g. WP:TFAR and TT:DYK. Modest Genius ^talk —Preceding undated comment added 15:09, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Err, yes we do: see the footer of the DYK slot. "Archive – Start a new article – Nominate an article" (linked to WP:Recent additions, WP:Your first article and TT:DYK respectively. Bencherlite^Talk 15:55, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, that's news to me. My mistake. Modest Genius ^talk 16:05, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I never would think to come to the Main Page's talk page to look for links to the ITN candidates page, and even after the whopping great non-yellow tag was mentioned, it took me a while to find the links to ITN/C. Despite my familiarity with DYK (or perhaps because of it), my first proposal at ITN/C required me to search essentially every non-archive page associated with the ITN process before I found the candidates page. The other sections aren't comparable, because their nomination processes work very differently from those of ITN and DYK. Nyttend backup (talk) 17:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I can't imagine why it would have taken you so long to find ITN/C. Like DYK, every page has a template linking to the key pages in the process. -- tariqabjotu 21:06, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

While it's not discussing this page, a portion of WP:RFD#KEEP is relevant here: "If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful [, but] this is...because you browse Wikipedia in different ways." If we need to provide a link for nominating newly created articles for DYK, why would it be bad to provide a link for nominating newly updated articles? I understand David Levy's comment (although I disagree with his belief that it will cause substantial problems), but unless you say that you agree with him or you provide another rationale, I won't be able to understand your opposition. Nyttend (talk) 02:41, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Where did I say I opposed your suggestion? I simply questioned the fact that you found it so difficult to find ITN/C, even though it's linked from so many pages. We can lead a horse to water, but we can't force it to drink. You, involved in a similar process on the Main Page and apparently familiar with Wikipedia as a whole, were incapable of finding WP:ITN/C despite it being linked at the top of numerous relevant pages in a box — e.g. Talk:Main Page, Portal:Current events, Portal talk:Current events, Template:In the news, Wikipedia:In the news. If all those links were insufficient to get an experienced editor to this page, I don't know why or how you believe one more will make the difference. And, frankly, if someone can't find this page, despite being linked through all these pages, I don't see why we desperately need to get him or her to that page. ITN/C already receives a large number of nominations that ultimately aren't accepted for ITN. Why on Earth should we be encouraging people, who can't follow a simple link found on many relevant pages, to just waltz in and make a nomination? The criteria for DYK are a lot more straightforward. Contributing to ITN at least requires that people understand its purpose and its international scope. At the same time, there are far fewer blurbs that could possibly make their way into ITN (i.e. it's impossible to keep track of all the new and updated articles for DYK, but one just needs to glance at certain news sites to get an idea of what may be put onto ITN). Putting a link that says "Click here to nominate" right on the Main Page will cause many people to bypass reading about the section and result in an even greater number of nominations being rejected. Honestly, it's linked in enough places already. Squeezing another link in ITN to appease people who need to "search essentially every non-archive page associated with the ITN process" before a page that was probably linked on all of them is downright unnecessary. -- tariqabjotu 22:27, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I see this is basically what David Levy said below. -- tariqabjotu 22:33, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Umm, when you tell me that I'm an idiot for being unable to find the page and don't deserve to make a nomination because I can't find it, why am I supposed to take that as meaning that you agree with the suggestion? Even more, when you say "what I said is basically what another opposer said", why am I supposed to understand that as support? I suggest that you read this page and adjust your comments accordingly — stop thinking that people who don't navigate the way you do are less capable. Nyttend (talk) 02:01, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Saying that you feel there's already plenty of links to somewhere doesn't necessarily mean you oppose a suggestion for another link. Note that Tariqabjotu remark was clearly addressed at their earlier comments where they said nothing about not 'deserve to make a nomination' only commented that they didn't understand why it took you so long to find ITNC. Note also that you can be neither in support or opposed to a suggestion. In fact it's perfectly resonably neutral about a suggestion when you don't understand the reason it's felt necessary. (Note as well even if someone doesn't feel something is necessary it doesn't mean they're opposed to a suggestion but that wasn't even what TA said. In fact plenty of times I've said I'm not opposed to a suggestion but don't don't see it as necessary.) Nil Einne (talk) 06:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

It's much easier for newcomers to understand why an article should be nominated for DYK. ITN is commonly mistaken for a news ticker, even among some of the editors arriving at WP:ITN/C now. A direct link from ITN probably would cause the nomination page to be flooded with requests that [insert news story not covered in the encyclopedia] be added. —David Levy 17:50, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

No Olympics?

Excellent decision on choosing an American baseball player instead of the precious Olympics

No Olympics even in In The News? Considering that both Olympic Games and Cotswold Olimpick Games are Featured Articles, it seems wilfully perverse to have Today's Featured Article be on one of the few sports that isn't featured in the Olympics, on the day that most sports fans would agree is the most important day in the sporting calendar. 78.149.153.211 (talk) 07:52, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

In The News usually waits until the opening ceremony occurs to post the Games began, which seems to be the consensus again this year.Boznia 08:18, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Those are good suggestions to post at WP:TFA/R for the day of the closing ceremony. Go make the suggestion! --Dweller (talk) 08:30, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, it's been cancelled. See you in Rio. Lugnuts (talk) 08:46, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Watch out, Boris will get you. The geiger counter of Olympomania went zoink. --Dweller (talk) 09:52, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Apparently this was suggested at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests#Olympic games as early as 2 July, but no one seemed to notice. Having Olympic Games as TFA on the closing day would be better than not at all, but still it's a shame that today's opportunity was missed. Not enough people seem to know about WP:TFAR. --202.28.181.200 (talk) 09:51, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

That's a shame, but the comment on the talk page wasn't as helpful as it could have been. --Dweller (talk) 09:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Watch out - I doubt the Wikimedia Foundation is an official sponsor of the games, might get sued. - filelakeshoe 09:58, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

If Olympic Games went to the main page as WP:TFA, it would almost certainly end up before WP:FAR because it isn't. Olympics will be more than adequately covered to a degree by Did You Know to the point where people will hate on it. --LauraHale (talk) 10:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

It isn't what? --Dweller (talk) 10:27, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't selected for Today's featured article. --LauraHale (talk) 11:03, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Weren't you saying it wasn't up to FA calibre (i.e. isn't a FA)? That's what it sounded like to me. Nil Einne (talk) 12:33, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

It isn't worthy of being referred to as 'featured'. It's in poor shape. Full of the poor referencing mechanism using {{rp}}, for example. That thing should be deleted. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 11:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

We have a procedure. Until it's delisted, it's eligible for TFA. --Dweller (talk) 12:27, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I haven't looked in to the article but is it really that bad? I thought may be it was promoted a long time ago but in fact it was promoted in 2009 (it was promoted and delisted earlier). I'm not that familiar with the citation wars but my impression is there's no requirement to use any particular style in an article, as with many areas of wikipedia the only requirement is for intra article consistency and not changing without good reason. Definitely if rp is depriciated both the template and Wikipedia:Citing sources surely should say this. Yet I seem to remember someone seeking consensus for change to rp in an article a few weeks ago. (Editors are of course entilted to their own personal preferences, but they should make it clear these are their personal preferences which won't generally actually affect things like whether or not an article is an FA.) Nil Einne (talk) 12:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC) P.S. I do agree give the DYK and likelihood of a sticky ITN, an Olympics FA isn't that important. We do try to avoid an item beig in too many areas anyway. Nil Einne (talk) 13:25, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

At the risk of hijacking this thread, what's wrong with {{rp}}? I use it all the time. —howcheng {chat} 17:21, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Nothing. If you object to it, nominate it for deletion and prepare for the discomfort of those of us who rely on it heavily. Nyttend (talk) 02:08, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

• There is a nomination at ITN/C going through the usual processes. doktorb _words^deeds 10:03, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

• This is a very poor decision for today's featured article. Rather than some baseball player we could have post the Olympic Games, but no, the nitpickers must always butt in. The article is totally OK and no citation corrections should be made...--GoP_T^CN 12:38, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

  It might have been an active consideration given the huge surge of Olympics DYKs prepared for the coming days and weeks; plus ITN is likely to post the opening ceremonies. It's nice to have some corner of the main page not be about whatever current event is going on. GRAPPLE X 12:43, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

What's the rush? Articles only ever get featured once. There will be other Olympiads. Wikipedia will still be around. APL (talk) 19:19, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Google has an Olympic theme every day. Would have been nice to do the same here rather than random pages every day. What's the rush to feature Giraffe or Aries? There's always next month. 2.28.96.100 (talk) 16:27, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

We do have an Olypmic theme every day; scroll down to DYK or look to ITN and there's a constant Olympic presence. GRAPPLE X 16:30, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately the main page is too stuffy and too cluttered. Most users aren't going to see them that much. Even if for just two weeks the front page was given a makeover for an event like this. 2.28.96.100 (talk) 16:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

its symbol is [image] (Unicode ♈)

Why do we need the image and the reference to unicode? Wouldn't "its symbol is ♈" do just as well? Formerip (talk) 00:25, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

And really ... a phallic symbol on the Main Page! What do we think we are, the German Wikipedia? Daniel Case (talk) 05:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

We'll have those "Chinese twin inspectors" after us! and sorry to see the Marshall Islands not linked. In fact where, exactly, do these Chinese twin inspectors come from? Can't actually find any other reference anywhere in Wikipedia. Bond (Chinese constellation) gives us "the Train of a garment" and "the Left Watch", but no mention of Chinese twin inspectors. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:40, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

The image overshoots the ascenders and descenders of the text and is as clear smaller: can it be reduced in size to align with the text? 86.185.178.114 (talk) 11:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Raul654 (talk) 13:34, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

A change from sports- or country- centric complaints about the main page. Jackiespeel (talk) 18:04, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, nobody seems too bothered someone who knows about the Chinese Zodiac, has now pointed out that they were, in fact, "an inspector of ponds and marshes" and a "an official in charge of pasture distribution", not in fact "twin inspectors" at all. All explained by Julius D. W. Staal (1988), well mostly anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:29, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Sports events on the main page

I have started a request for comment here about what sporting events should be automatically posted to In The News. Formerip (talk) 01:03, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Suggest 'emphasis on obscure sports' - eg Trobriand cricket - thus fulfilling the Main Page's remit to alert people to topics they didn't know existed (but find interesting). 93.97.45.17 (talk) 09:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Appeal re ITN candidate

I'm sorry but although I've been editing on Wiki for years, the ITN candidate process is too confusing for non-techie old analog me. I wanted to nominate Rūta Meilutytė's gold medal in the 100m breaststroke on Aug. 31, making her the first Lithuanian swimmer since Lithuania's Declaration of Independence from the Soviet Union in 1990 to earn an Olympic medal in swimming. At age 15, she is also the youngest Lithuanian athlete to win an Olympic gold medal. (Ref: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/18906960) (Pic: Meilutyte.jpg) Perhaps one of you cyberwonks could take this on? Sca (talk) 22:27, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:ITN/C would be the place, but it stands not the remotest chance. Kevin McE (talk) 23:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, then! Sca (talk) 23:23, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

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