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Edaham (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Caught by a web host block but this host or IP is not a web host. This is the specific piece of code generated by the web-host block (Editing from 139.162.0.0/16 has been blocked (disabled) by Elockid for the following reason(s)...etc). Edaham (talk) 02:45, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

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This IP address range belongs to linode and is indeed a webhost. Yamla (talk) 12:42, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

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Request reason:

Requesting an IP address block exemption, because my location in China requires that I view numerous sources while using a VPN. It is becoming too tedious to gather info then make edits while switching on and off the VPN accordingly to circumvent China's firewall (P.S. I've also written to Beijing with a similar request - they were not sympathetic to my issue). Edaham (talk) 02:42, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

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WP:IPBE granted as you meet the requirements listed at WP:IPEC. Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:25, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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Working outside your area of expertise?

E - I did not revert your revert to my changes to Dietary Supplement. However, I do want to point out that I have more experience and expertise on this topic than you. My education included a BS in Biology, MS in Nutritional Biochemistry, PhD in Nutritional Biochemistry with a minor in Human Nutrition, post-doc at Memorial Sloan-Kettering, teaching nutrition at Cornell Medical College, and an ongoing 30+ year career in medical nutrition, functional foods, dietary supplements, sports nutrition, etc. David notMD (talk) 16:17, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Which clearly did not leave you a lot of time to become sensitive to stylistic choices in the opening passages of encyclopedias. That's why I applaude your knowing when to visit me for advice on my talk page. It's a wise man who despite his years of learning, knows when it's time to tap the resources of one outside his sphere of knowledge. I'll try to live up to your confidence in me and continue to offer all I can by way of editing tips. Edaham (talk) 20:20, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Acupuncture

"Another user called Hob was the person who was making comments on the person rather than commenting on the arguments (ill conceived though they were)."

No, it is you who is confused. There is no such "another user called Hob". And they were not "comments on the person". Please don't misrepresent other users' comments. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:02, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hob Gadling:

oh right, my mistake, yes it was actually you who was making notforum and personal comments about people's brain issues i.e. "Talking about things that exist only in your brain,". you can just cut the boring polemics." Etc - you and roxy the dog or what ever. I didn't really notice the user's names, I just saw the kind of useless, insulting and non-article related talk that was coming out and closed/reset the thread. It's actually OK according to WP for users like this Arthur long chap to suggest poor quality changes, just as it's our place to reject them. Being not nice to people is definitely unwikipedian, though. Please be nice and tactfully help educated misguided users even when they are being a bit annoying. Thanks Edaham (talk)

You have never even tried to understand that this was not about "personal comments" and not about "brain issues" but a refutation of the fallacies in Arthur's argumentation. But I see there is no point in trying to argue with you: you are worse than Arthur if you think "being nice" is more important than being coherent, logical, understanding, and honest. Also, you are not even being nice yourself. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:34, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hob Gadling:I have tried to understand, and I'm suggesting to you that there's a good chance that the editor took what you said personally. You don't need to argue with me or "refute" people by telling them they have things wrong with their brain, you just need to make sure that main space content stays up to Wikipedia standards. It's not particularly difficult to snipe POV pushers on fringe theory articles, but it does little to further the encyclopedia. There is actually an ongoing discussion at that article's talk page, which is solely focused on article improvement. The article we are currently editing is full of rubbish POV references about the imaginary benefits of a species of magical thinking. If we work together we can improve it. If we spend thread after thread being clever and semantically picking apart the people who are trying to insert POV into the article, it will slow the rate of improvement compared to if we remain focused. Based on your comments, I would guess that you share my opinion regarding the changes that need to be made, so let's work out how to make them. Edaham (talk) 09:44, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Hijab reversion

i dont understand why did you Undid my edit and claimed its sourced but actually there no source proving that covering the women head is a must in any law in Saudi Arabia please check the source and see my point in Talk:Hijab .thank you --Mojackjutaily (talk) 10:00, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

@Mojackjutaily: - I have joined your discussion on Talk:Hijab. Thanks for replying and following BRD. Edaham (talk) 10:20, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Baked Alaska

Are you trying to imply that I'm the one that added Nazi in the first place? Ktm4391 (talk) 06:06, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

@Ktm4391: Dude - I have absolutely no idea. Keeping track of that article's revision history and trying to keep it from being good faith edited is confusing as hell. There's a team of people having a POV go at it and none of them are using the talk page or citing sources. Many apologies if I got something wrong. If you were on the article also trying to do similar maintenance, many thanks for your contributions and patience. Edaham (talk) 06:15, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

I went back and checked the history. The bare text after the last revert when a talk page thread was started read as follows.

Anthime "Tim" Gionet (born November 16, 1987), more commonly known as Baked Alaska and Tim "Treadstone," is an American alt-right conservative political activist, entrepreneur, writer and internet celebrity.

Ideally any alteration to that text, especially concerning political alignment and terminology should be brought to the talk page. Putting aside how it might have occasionally been messed up, let's follow BRD and encourage others to do the same as there's a bit of a political flutter going on at the moment on this and related pages. Edaham (talk) 06:45, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Lauren Southern

In response to your questions in the edit summary, the current text is fine, the one reverted added a "fascism" category and did not conform to the source regarding the added information on intercepted ships (see The WPo article). Saturnalia0 (talk) 01:48, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

saturnalia I removed the fascism category manually while reverting and opened a discussion thread on the talk page. There have been literally hundreds of poor edits to this and similar edits and it's completely possible that I've made some injuditious reverts. I do usually open a talk page thread and follow BRD though, which means that the editors who aren't just doing drive by edits will Coke and sort things out if what they are trying to do is well sourced. I'm going to have another look at the article now. Thanks for cooperating and getting in touch to notify me of the issue. Edaham (talk) 02:53, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

altleft

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/08/18/proposal-for-an-alternative-left/ https://altleft.com/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeLeft/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:117E:6D00:A0C4:8FED:ECAD:1157 (talk) 21:37, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I cannot access those sites in china without a vpn Edaham (talk) 23:50, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Harmful Obsessions

create page for jason innocent — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tice89 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

@Tice89: retraction of humorous comment as actually your article does deserve some attention, but there's some things you need to consider before removing the notability tag. Edaham (talk) 03:04, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

@Tice89: First and foremost I have to ask you, are you the artist or do you have a close connection with the subject of the article i.e. you are a friend, gallery owner, family member, curator or agent. You do not have to specify which but you are expected to disclose conflicts of interest which may affect Wikipedia's goal of building an impartial encyclopedia. Edaham (talk) 06:25, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

im a curator, it will never happen again. just wanted to add infomation but didnt know how to. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:8119:A9F0:7962:E0FB:6832:CBB0 (talk) 05:13, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Ways to improve John Saladino

Hi, I'm Elliot321. Edaham, thanks for creating John Saladino!

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discussions

Thank you for your summary of the discussions. Common sense should prevail most times and people shouldn't quote Wikipedia guidelines just to reinforce or win arguments. To me these things do happen when you are not expecting it, but we should just take things with a pinch of salt.F2Milk (talk) 08:56, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Noting the quality of an article is not the same as advocating for a position

Yesterday You deleted my post on the discussion on Functional Medicine.[Actually you did it twice as I was in the process of deleting the first one when I realized I did not properly sign it and was going to repost it.]

My comments did not advocate for a position. Rather, I noted the article was very ill-informed on the subject and I simply supplied the names and short bio for several research scientist that would be critical for the discussion of the article.

Like you, I know a little bit about research, having completed 2 master's degrees and am half way through a PhD. No matter what position one takes, they must deal with relevant voices on both sides of an argument. To blindly say that there are no reputable scientists advocating a position when, as I barely scratched the surface pointing out, there are world-renowned scientists at schools like Yale, USC, and others, is shoddy research and would merit an "F" in any master's level course.

I said nothing to argue for a particular kind of treatment, supplement, outcome of Functional Medicine research, clinic studies, anecdotal evidence, etc that might argue that Functional Medicine was useful. That would have been debating the content of the article. But to bring up the ill-informed nature of the research presented is simply an academic comment on procedure.

Please note the difference between advocating a position and noting errors in research methodology and fully reinstate my post.

Secondly, I note that you may feel that the comment on the Wikipedia Medical Editors may well be directed at you. it is incumbent upon yourself and others to employ meaningful self-reflection. The allowing of the comment "gobbledegook" was useless in the article. It served no academic purpose and was a juvenal attempt to merely castigate the opposition with names rather than present actual objective research to the discussion. Wikipedia editors are better than this. I am disappointed to see that this was allowed to get past the Wikipedia Editors for so many years as this article has been mulled over time and again by those editors as evidenced in the discussions.

Thank you for you consideration of these comments.7quiver (talk) 17:14, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Patrick D

@7quiver:

• I didn't delete the comment. I closed the thread. I deleted the second one when you reinstated it beneath exactly as before.
• I also didn't accuse you of advocacy, I asked you not to use the talk page as a discussion forum for your opinions about positional advocacy. The resumes you posted are redundant without proper secondary sourcing. You didn't clearly suggest a specific edit which makes your comments secondary to the purpose of Wikipedia talk pages, which is to improve articles.
• I did address the comment you made regarding the literary and unencyclopediac language and am now discussing it with some of the other editors.
• I don't have a medical degree or any PhDs. Nor is that a prerequisite for contributing to our project. I have carefully read our project guidelines on sourcing information though. Our practices may differ from those you have encountered in academia, so I suggest you do the same. I've listed some relevant policy pages below.
  • Policy on sources for medical articles
  • Policy on verification of information
  • Core policy on neutrality
  • Explanation of why we tend to avoid primary sourcing

Edaham (talk) 17:28, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Did you neglect

to sign a posting, perhaps aimed at me, at Talk:List of Confederate monuments and memorials? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 05:36, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes. Sorry. And don't quit! Edaham (talk) 05:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

From my perspective mine was not a Wikipedia:Rage quit but rather giving in to repeated bullying. But I came back after a week or so and am continuing to fight the good fight, as I see it. I notice that you commented earlier in the discussion. Well I started editing in this article about 5 years ago and suddenly the SPLC chart shows up and all hell breaks loose. Some of it loosened by me. Biut it is nice to read you say that i should not quit. So I won't. Carptrash (talk) 05:52, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Some people see the SPLC as a political adversary and are therefore inclined to heatedly dispute its suitability and veracity for use as a source. It's moot. Wikipedia doesn't care if its a political advocacy organization or a guide on how to correctly dispose of toe nail clippings. Context matters as does verifiable sourcing and NPOV. There's been lots of discussions about it. If you transclude {{User:Edaham/SPLC}} you get this:

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In the roll out section to the right are some links to discussions about the SPLC as a reliable source. It might help to go through them before going to the Reliable Sources Notice board (RSN) and starting a new thread as some of the previous decisions regarding its usage might be applicable to the current discussion. Edaham (talk) 08:32, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

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I keep meaning to put title contents on each of the linked discussions so that people can see what they are all about.

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Many thanks. Check the archive. Might also want to brush up on BLPCRIME And PERP while you are at it. Edaham (talk) 01:31, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Just a brief note to explain to anyone who might be curious, that my reversion of your edit was upheld comfortably by yet another unambiguous consensus on the matter and that, in the interests of AGF, I refrained from plastering your talk page with similar sanctions notifications or veiled threatening messages regarding your blanking of well sourced content without first establishing consensus on the talk page. Edaham (talk) 13:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Streisand effect

For your consideration. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:24, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Email friendly Admins. Works way better and faster than sending an e-mail to the wikipedia foundation. WP:REVDEL on an expedited and confidential basis. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:30, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks very much :D Edaham (talk) 17:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the double posting. Just wanted to make sure you got this. I am not trying to be overbearing or snarky. I totally share your concerns, and it took me a long time to figure this out on my own.

Among other places, we get all sorts of defamation and craven crap in WP:Sandbox and the draft sandbox. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:17, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I wasn't annoyed at all. I don't think you were overbearing. I normally attempt tongue in cheek humor when I get in trouble, but I'm not a trained comedian so I also apologize if I came off as snarky. Do bots search for info of the kind you are talking about? See reply to admin below. Edaham (talk) 23:54, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

7&6=thirteen (☎) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it. To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:17, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm frustrated, but not at you

I can't emphasize strongly enough that my exasperation, which bubbled over at ANI is not directed at you. I don't recognize your name as a regular participant at ANI, which is hardly surprising; most editors are not regular participants there. I can easily imagine that if someone stumbles across some highly inappropriate edits, one would naturally think that it would make sense to bring it to the attention of an administrator which sounds exactly what ANI for. It turns out not to be the case, but I am totally understanding that some people would think so. My frustration is that this happens every few days. Someone posts a request for Revdel or oversight, someone responds that they should not have posted it here but elsewhere, and we now have the situation that material we like to have as few eyes on as possible has been pointed out om one of the most highly trafficked pages in Wikipedia (again this sounds like I'm railing it you but I'm not). My frustration is that there is a relatively simple solution, which I have proposed before, but my proposal has been ignored or rejected.

My current plan, which may also fail abysmally, is to post the request for a solution each and every time that this happens, and maybe sometime it'll sink in that solving the problem in a sensible way rather than making the red font in the edit notice a little bit larger would be better.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:05, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Private info is quite discreet from random chatter: a name, which isn't an article name accompanied by numerical info or street name info such as a proper noun followed by Rd. St. Etc. All of this could be detectable. You could probably get a bot working on detecting unwanted posting of private info. Maybe talk to the developer of clue bot regarding the possibility of picking it up automatically? Below are the names of the super heroes you'd want to summon to this task.

• Cobi - User talk:Cobi
• Crispy1989 - User talk:Crispy1989
• Rich Smith - User talk:Rich Smith

let them know that you are a disgruntled admin who had to deal with yet another flapping newb (me) who walked into your glass office door and inquire about the possibility of writing a re-gruntling script, which detects undesirable user actions such as the posting of private info, which usually requires the attention of REVDEL. Edaham (talk) 23:50, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

White race

All of my change were cited and factually accurate. Please review my changes more carefully. I left a more detailed note for you on the talk page.

Why would you reinsert the uncited claim that Middle Eastern/North African people regard themselves as white today? There is no citation for it and--leaving aside individual exceptions--it isn't true as a general rule. Steeletrap (talk) 23:36, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Talk page please Edaham (talk) 23:37, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Confused

Are you mad at me, too? ^{Atsme📞📧} 00:43, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Of course not atsme, but I watchlisted your page a while back and saw the comment made by the editor about facebook/twitter and it reminded me of the off-wiki harassment policy so I just left a note as a joke to say, "If you do go off wiki to complain about subjects of articles, make sure you don't get collared for off-wiki bullying of our subjects". That seems funny to me because almost everyone in the whole editorship could probably be admonished for that if we extended the policy about OWH to include the subjects of BLPs :))))) Edaham (talk) 00:53, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

OMG I just heard about [this]. I really pray the eleven injured people will be OK. Edaham (talk) 00:55, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

No words to express the senseless loss of innocent lives - it's a way of life I refuse to accept. ^{Atsme📞📧} 01:06, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the message. Yes my ban has been uplifted, obviously, which you can see. I edited the Kellyanne Conway page (personal life) about her grandfathers association with the Mob. I saw your edit on Lauren Southern, I was a member of Generation Identity briefly which she is also a part of. I mean in general the Five Families pages Gambino, Genovese, Lucchese, Colombo and Bonanno are incredibly outdated. There were people listed as members even though some were dead, in prison, demoted/promoted etc , currently working on those pages and some Mafia stubs / new articles. Also while I'm here, do you know the situation in regard to photos? I can list FBI and dead photographer photos correct? ThePlane11 (talk) 23:56, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. I can see you're making an effort to add positive contributions, and you're finding and listing reliable sources too, which is the real distinguishing difference between an editor and someone who just comes to add their opinions. I'll ping you on the Donnie page when I'm done writing. I've got some ideas of my own which might help us decide how to use the information you're proposing to add. Edaham (talk) 00:02, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

• ThePlane11 Update - I've now added to the talk page. Hopefully that addition should get parties on both sides of the debate moving in a similar direction to arrive at a consensus. Usually if I feel a piece of info belongs in an article and editors aren't letting it through, I find it's often because of how and where I'm trying to put it in, so my post focuses on discussing some other sections and possible section titles for including material throughout the article rather than in a single isolated section. Edaham (talk) 00:24, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
• ThePlane11 Update two - I'm not an expert in Wikipedia's copyright policy so I'm going to refer you to the related policy pages and hope that helps
• Wikipedia:Uploading_images - This has a very simple summary of what you should consider regarding copyright. It's a short version, where the remainder of the article focuses on the technical aspects of uploading images.
• Wikipedia:Image_use_policy - This goes into a lot of detail about what is and is not allowed and why.

The above links and policies contained therein are a bit of hard reading, but you should really get to know about them if you plan to upload images. Both of those policy pages have talk pages. Editors on those talk pages will most likely be able to answer any questions you have about policy and suitability of images you wish to use. Edaham (talk) 00:30, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Great! Not many around here who are courteous and helpful. Thank you for the hospitality ThePlane11 (talk) 02:18, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

You'll find over time, that there are a huge number of people who are very helpful and courteous. There's also a very large number of people who are helpful most of the time, but can be a bit irksome or disagreeable in certain situations. There's also some people here who aren't very helpful at all, but these are generally vandals and trouble makers. Everywhere has them. I try to never openly pass judgement on any of them, but privately decide to:

• Make friends with the ones who seem nice and helpful
• work as dispassionately as I can with the ones who seem a bit grumpy but are also helpful
• try to follow policy guidelines to the letter and send completely dispassionate and appropriate template messages to people who are disruptive
• I also make stupid comments some times, which I think are humorous. I should probably stop doing that so much.

People change from day to day and you can't really see when someone got out of the wrong side of bed when you're on the internet and can't see their expressions.

Happy editing!

Edaham (talk) 02:34, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Organizing off wiki workshops related to wiki-project feminism.

Regarding this: Wikipedia:Consensus#Pitfalls_and_errors And any other related policies, Can you see any problems or pitfalls with my plan listed here and at meta-wiki (gender gap) (in progress), to introduce and coach new users at Wikipedia-themed workshops aimed at bringing new Chinese users to the English and Chinese projects via locally-based feminist discussion forums and symposiums? Edaham (talk) 04:51, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

@Edaham: Wow! That is ambitious and you will need a lot of help and advice. I am not the person who can give it to you. You will need to talk to people who have organized such events (there is probably a Wikiproject that coordinates them but I don't know what it is). You will need to recruit some local partners, and possibly coordinate with the Wikimedia Foundation. About local collaborators, I had a look at Category:Wikipedians in Shanghai, and nobody grabbed me as the kind of high-powered help you will need. But there might be others who have simply not put that tag on their userpage. I suggest you ask User:Rosiestep for advice. She is very well connected and experienced in this kind of thing, and she can tell you if this is a reasonable proposal, who would need to help you with it, and what is needed to make it happen. --MelanieN (talk) 15:14, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

P.S. Any stalkers care to chime in or advise here? --MelanieN (talk) 15:27, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

reply to you and/or stalkers: At the moment the only local partners I have are not regular editors, but people who organize feminism related events and forums as well as theater and exhibitions etc. Those events are preexisting and I don't need to arrange spaces and so on or handle tickets or set up. I simply pitched the idea to these contacts and found that they would be willing to allocate time to the workshop. At present I just have to work out content and make sure insofar as possible that myself and attendees do not infringe policy in some fashion.

• I'm addressing this by limiting the explanatory talk to:
  • A brief summary of the gender gap page followed by a short discussion including:
    • A quick explanation of the source and visual editors
    • 5p
    • Account creation
    • Chinese Wikipedia
  • keeping things technical/instructional and not intentionally pointing people to contentious or controversial stuff
    • providing some source material on (non-politicized/uncontraversial) Chinese culture or person, requiring an article
    • writing up the article in a sandbox as a draft
    • moving it to the mainspace.

I'll run through this process, get some screen shots ready etc. If anything like that's been made before, that would be awesome. Would plan to create something a bit like the Wikipedia adventure, but add points concerning both gender gap and local Chinese site use issues.

Edaham (talk) 16:29, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Megalibrarygirl also might have thoughts on this. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:10, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Edaham my sister lives in Beijing. I can see if she has any suggestions. Thanks for pinging me in, TonyBallioni. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:14, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, Tony and Megalibrarygirl. Edaham, I suspect there is already a lot of material available on this kind of project. We just have to find it so you don't have to re-invent the wheel. I'll snoop around and see what I can find about similar projects. --MelanieN (talk) 17:55, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

@Edaham: OK, here's a site that could be very useful: Wikipedia:How to run an edit-a-thon. The talk page of that article could also be a resource for you to find people. Here's something I found on that talk page: Wikipedia talk:How to run an edit-a-thon#Edit-a-thon Training on the Programs and Events Dashboard. That is from a WikiMedia Foundation person, User:Astinson (WMF), who has created training material and could be very helpful to you in other ways. --MelanieN (talk) 18:09, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Edaham. In addition to the helpful links which MelanieN pointed you, too, you might be interested in Primer for creating women’s biographies and Writing about women. I know some Chinese Wikipedians but not in Shanghai so I'm going to ask on our social media pages and get back to you on that. When are you thinking of facilitating your workshops? --Rosiestep (talk) 19:43, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Rosiestep not for at least a month as some of the organizers are either traveling or have other commitments. I have a favor to ask, during these planning stages, it would be great to demonstrate that this idea has gained some traction within Wikipedia, and this thread seems to have done just that. If I direct my friends to view the info here however they may turn up with questions, I'm a bit concerned about the number of alerts the long-suffering MelanieN is going to receive from new users. If she doesn't mind, then that's great. If it would be more appropriate however, could we move/copy this thread to an appropriate project talk page and continue the discussion there? Edaham (talk) 23:31, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks all for the contacts and info provided above. A list of info I've been given has been placed on my user page I'm going to contact those people and notice boards and go over the info today! Looks great and very informative. Edaham (talk) 23:35, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict, that's more or less what I was going to suggest!) @Edaham: I have no problem with people using my talk page for this. But it's not a logical place for it, and it's likely to get lost amid the clutter and be unfindable in the future. It might be better for the historical record, and for continuity, if you moved discussion to your own talk page, and let future planning go on there. That would give your project a central location and would keep all the information in your own records where you and others can easily access it. (Of course, the beauty of using my page is that like most admins I have knowledgeable, helpful stalkers. They are welcome to chime in either here or elsewhere.) How about this: why don't you COPY this whole discussion to your talk page, while leaving it here as well - and we can refer future commenters to your place. ("Your place or mine" - did I just say that?) --MelanieN (talk) 23:49, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

• Above text copied from Melanie's page Please continue discussion below.

This talk page thread has been linked at the discussion pages at Gender Gap and at Wiki project feminism.

One resource that might be useful is User:Dreamyshade's "secret rules of Wikipedia editing" presentation, which I think is really good for conveying the essential information new editors need without getting bogged down in details. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:07, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mx. Granger, Thanks so much for sharing that. Unfortunately its a google doc and I'm without VPN in Shanghai at this time. Is there any way you could either copy the text of the document (if it is appropriately licenced) to here, which is a draft page I made for this purpose? or email it to me at 2267836870 at qq dot com Thank you so much in advance Edaham (talk) 01:16, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Since it's a slideshow and it is CC BY-SA, I went ahead and uploaded it as File:Wikipedia in 15 min.pdf, with the notes in the description. —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:21, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Mx. Granger! I'll link that version from my userpage and from Google Slides. Edaham, I hope your workshops turn out great! I think my best bit of advice from experience is that it's normal and ok for workshop outcomes to be incremental, such as each participant adding one or two edits and having a nice afternoon talking about Wikipedia, rather than becoming long-term regular editors - but even those smaller outcomes are good for Wikipedia. Dreamyshade (talk) 05:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I only wish we lived in the same general vicinity. I would be more than happy to help. If there's anything you think I can contribute, let me know. ^{Atsme📞📧} 22:15, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

I probably will need lots of help with this soon. Thank you! I noticed in one of your recent talk page threads that you can use photoshop :)))) Edaham (talk) 05:01, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

• Update: I have joined, and will tie this in with the Wikiproject: Asia month, edit-a-thon activities, and have accordingly linked to this thread and a couple of others there. Thanks anyone who might be watching this discussion and cares to chime in. Edaham (talk) 06:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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Alfred Kramer

Concerning the deletion of Alfred Kramer, I created that page as a redirect to Alfred Krammer. Concerning the Kramer article itself, I have no issue with it. Thanks for letting me know. - Chris (Talk). 96.91.152.57 (talk) 13:02, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

• Miller17CU94 cheers for the feedback. I've dealt with a couple of articles which were redirects turned into poorly sourced articles recently. Little bit confusing. We could revert it back to the redirect but if someone keeps turning it into a non notable musician page it will probably pop back up. Might be best to let the sourcing/deletion process run its course and consider adding it back as a redirect to an article or a DAB page later? Edaham (talk) 13:10, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
  • My advice is to put talks on the Kramer article who converted the redirect into the jazz drummer article. They would have better sourcing on this than I would given I do not follow jazz music like some people do. Chris (talk) 00:19, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
    • Same here, and I don't have time to follow it and do the house keeping. Cheers! Edaham (talk) 00:21, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Same with M. Aoyama. Geschichte (talk) 09:30, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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Years active 1958 – present ??? Xx236 (talk) 13:00, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Copy and pasted info box - still under construction, well spotted and thanks. Sorry, World's worst editor. Edaham (talk) 13:02, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

12:41 - my move

12:42 - your creation of the Talk page Xx236 (talk) 13:24, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

That would be the reason - I had no idea you could create a talk page which didn't match the article's name. It was confusing as the talk page was directing to your newly corrected title, but the article did not link over to the talk page. Anyway it's fixed now. Apologies for the confusion and thanks for your time! Edaham (talk) 13:30, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: BIMB Holdings

Hello Edaham. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of BIMB Holdings, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: being the parent company to notable companies indicates significance. Thank you. SoWhy 07:58, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 7 – 15 December 2017

Facto Post – Issue 7 – 15 December 2017 A new bibliographical landscape At the beginning of December, Wikidata items on individual scientific articles passed the 10 million mark. This figure contrasts with the state of play in early summer, when there were around half a million. In the big picture, Wikidata is now documenting the scientific literature at a rate that is about eight times as fast as papers are published. As 2017 ends, progress is quite evident. Behind this achievement are a technical advance (fatameh), and bots that do the lifting. Much more than dry migration of metadata is potentially involved, however. If paper A cites paper B, both papers having an item, a link can be created on Wikidata, and the information presented to both human readers, and machines. This cross-linking is one of the most significant aspects of the scientific literature, and now a long-sought open version is rapidly being built up. The effort for the lifting of copyright restrictions on citation data of this kind has had real momentum behind it during 2017. WikiCite and the I4OC have been pushing hard, with the result that on CrossRef over 50% of the citation data is open. Now the holdout publishers are being lobbied to release rights on citations. But all that is just the beginning. Topics of papers are identified, authors disambiguated, with significant progress on the use of the four million ORCID IDs for researchers, and proposals formulated to identify methodology in a machine-readable way. P4510 on Wikidata has been introduced so that methodology can sit comfortably on items about papers. More is on the way. OABot applies the unpaywall principle to Wikipedia referencing. It has been proposed that Wikidata could assist WorldCat in compiling the global history of book translation. Watch this space. And make promoting #1lib1ref one of your New Year's resolutions. Happy holidays, all! November 2017 map of geolocated Wikidata items, made by Addshore Links WikidataCon: Giving more people more access to more knowledge, report by Peter Kraker of Open Knowledge Maps This is a story of my knowledge adventure in New Zealand moths via Wikicommons, Wikipedia and Wikidata, @SiobhanLeachman Wikidata and Arabic dialects, research paper, DOI: 10.1109/AICCSA.2017.115 c:Commons:British Library/Mechanical Curator collection/georeferencing status, Mechanical Curator project on Commons hits 50K maps milestone Historical dataset on the provenance of Wikipedia text: Who wrote this?, by Tilman Bayer, WMF blogpost "Anyone can edit", not everyone does: Wikipedia and the gender gap (PDF), journal paper, Heather Ford and Judy Wajcman Alpha Zero’s "Alien" Chess Shows the Power, and the Peculiarity, of AI, MIT Technology Review, by Will Knight, December 8, 2017 To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see below. Editor Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him. Back numbers are here. Reminder: WikiFactMine pages on Wikidata are at WD:WFM. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Not sure why the ping didn't ping me...

...regarding this discussion. I've saved it to my notes. Thank you! ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:52, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

It's a festive time of year!

Christmas tree worm, (Spirobranchus gigantic) Atsme📞📧 12:48, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
	Time To Spread A Little Happy Holiday Cheer!!
	I decorated a special kind of Christmas tree in the spirit of the season. What's especially nice about this digitized version: *it doesn't need water *won't catch fire *and batteries aren't required.
	Have a happy holiday season and a prosperous New Year!! 🍸🎁 🎉

atsme It's so convenient!!!! I love it! Thank you. Edaham (talk) 05:31, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

	Happy Holidays
	Wishing you a happy holiday season! Times flies and 2018 is around the corner. Thank you for your contributions. ~ K.e.coffman (talk) 02:53, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

@K.e.coffman: Thank you for taking the time to construct and deploy a denominational-neutral greeting message and also for tactfully not sending it at a time associated with any mainstream religious observances. Likewise, have a warm and relaxing winter! Edaham (talk) 04:40, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Is still' Men of Goodwill' the longest novel

Actually the novel Venmurasu has already became the world's longest novel ever written. As you can see in the list it is in the 4th place with 11 volumes in August 2016. Now it has come to 16 Volumes. Kirranashwin007 (talk) 01:39, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Kirranashwin007 there's no need to place predictions regarding its length in an encyclopedia. You can read the link at the end of this post for our policy regarding future events and expected results. If you want to write a forecast on something you still need to provide a verifiable and reliable source, however in this case the information isn't helpful to our readers as the title is about longest novels, not long novels in progress. wp:crystal

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Facto Post – Issue 8 – 15 January 2018

Facto Post – Issue 8 – 15 January 2018 Metadata on the March From the days of hard-copy liner notes on music albums, metadata have stood outside a piece or file, while adding to understanding of where it comes from, and some of what needs to be appreciated about its content. In the GLAM sector, the accumulation of accurate metadata for objects is key to the mission of an institution, and its presentation in cataloguing. Today Wikipedia turns 17, with worlds still to conquer. Zooming out from the individual GLAM object to the ontology in which it is set, one such world becomes apparent: GLAMs use custom ontologies, and those introduce massive incompatibilities. From a recent article by sadads, we quote the observation that "vocabularies needed for many collections, topics and intellectual spaces defy the expectations of the larger professional communities." A job for the encyclopedist, certainly. But the data-minded Wikimedian has the advantages of Wikidata, starting with its multilingual data, and facility with aliases. The controlled vocabulary — sometimes referred to as a "thesaurus" as term of art — simplifies search: if a "spade" must be called that, rather than "shovel", it is easier to find all spade references. That control comes at a cost. SVG pedestrian crosses road Zebra crossing/crosswalk, Singapore Case studies in that article show what can lie ahead. The schema crosswalk, in jargon, is a potential answer to the GLAM Babel of proliferating and expanding vocabularies. Even if you have no interest in Wikidata as such, simply vocabularies V and W, if both V and W are matched to Wikidata, then a "crosswalk" arises from term v in V to w in W, whenever v and w both match to the same item d in Wikidata. For metadata mobility, match to Wikidata. It's apparently that simple: infrastructure requirements have turned out, so far, to be challenges that can be met. Links 1lib1ref campaign starts today, see m:The Wikipedia Library/1Lib1Ref: also #1lib1ref introductory video by Felix Nartey Funders should mandate open citations, article 9 January 2018 in Nature by David Shotton From snowflake to avalanche: Possibilities of using free citation data in libraries, translation from the German original of Annette Klein, Mannheim University Library outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/December 2017/Contents/WMF GLAM report Why Mickey Mouse’s 1998 copyright extension probably won't happen again: Copyrights from the 1920s will start expiring next year if Congress doesn't act, Timothy B. Lee, 8 January 2018, Arstechnica To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see below. Editor Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him. Back numbers are here. Reminder: WikiFactMine pages on Wikidata are at WD:WFM. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:38, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit to "Alternative for Germany".

Dear Edaham

I want to appeal about your reversion of my edit that I made on "Alternative for Germany". Firstly, I did not blank the article. I removed content claiming anti-semitism and links to neo-nazi movements, the reason being the sources for this information are heavily biased news outlets and not academic sources.

Also, I removed the term "extremist" from the description of Pegida, since while that organisation has caused great controversy, the use of the term "extremist" should only be used for violent movements and Pegida has never engaged in violence. Using the term extremist compares organisations like Pegida with organisations such as Islamic State, which is misinformation and will mislead readers.

That is all.

138.38.94.166 (talk) 18:08, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

The talk page is the place to discuss article related topics. Thanks. Edaham (talk) 00:26, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Inserted a link to new Wikipedia site for Alfred Edward Rodewald

Thank you for reviewing my article on Alfred Edward Rodewald (AER). This is my first article for Wikipedia, although I am working on two others. I must apologise therefore that I am not familiar with Wikipedia rules and procedures.

The only photograph of AER in the Rodewald Concert Society (RCS) archives is the one on the RCS web site, which is rather dark and austere. I assume that this is no longer copyright as it must have been taken before AER's death in 1903 and the photographer's business has long since closed down. Unfortunately the original has been mislaid in the Liverpool Record Office and was never catalogued. (So much for professional archivists!) However, I do have a digital copy which was made for the Society. A rather more attractive one was used for the Blue Plaque and by John Kelly for the front of his book. I am unsure of the origin of this one but it is taken from a photograph in poor condition in the 'Liverpool Worthies' collection in the Liverpool Record Office, which is mainly newspaper cuttings. I have a cleaned up digital copy of this too. There are other photographs in Kelly's book from the Elgar Museum, the most interesting of these is one of AER and Elgar in AER's steam motor car the 'Shover'. This has been the subject of various magazine articles, so I am sure that a copy could be obtained. Whilst all these photographs must be out of copyright, I am not sure if owners permission is still required to use them.

I do not know what is meant by and 'Info box'. Please explain this.

Can you tell me how long it takes for a Wikipedia article to be found by search engines, such as Google? Are there further checks by Wikipedia before it goes public?

alan.jones.ski Alan.jones.ski (talk) 23:47, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Alan.jones.ski Hi there Alan. I see you haven't been welcomed to Wikipedia yet, so I will do that now. Usually when a user joins a wikipedian will place a welcome message on the talk page of a new user which contains a lot of useful information and pointers to areas where users can find help. Regarding your post above, I'm not a great person to ask about image copyright issues and would like to refer you to this page, which contains detailed info. You can also go to the talk page of an admin who will be well read on this subject and help you with things. Tony Ballioni is a very patient and helpful admin with whom I'm acquainted.

Regarding info boxes, If you look at some other articles you will see a box on the right hand side of many articles containing some bare and basic facts about the subject of the article. Info boxes help people know that they've arrived at the right article by quickly giving a summary of info. For a musician this might include name/birth date/birth place/principal instrument/notable work. The article on Mozart just has a picture of him, with his signature under it. The article on Alessandro Scarlatti is a little more detailed with info on "years active" and "notable works". The info boxes require a little coding and if you find that a pain there are users who can help. A good resource to get help on articles is their project pages. If you go to the talk page of the article you created you can see that it's been added to some wikiprojects. I just added it to classical music. You can visit that page and also the talk page for the project, where you will find users interested in related subjects, who may be willing to visit your newly created page and help out. There are also a number of users who just seem to turn up and fix stuff on a wide variety of subjects. Almost all of the articles I create get visited by a user named Derek Bullamore, who is very interested in music articles. You could alert your article to the attention of such a user and it would probably be further reviewed. Hope that helps! Have a great week. Edaham (talk) 00:53, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

NPP Backlog Drive Appreciation

		Thank You
		Thank you for reviewing articles during the 2018 NPP New Year Backlog Drive. Always more to do, but thanks for participating. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 05:17, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Insertcleverphrasehere My apologies for contributing so little. At first I found it a bit difficult then once I got the hang of it I became very busy in real life. Will try to be more active this year. Many thanks for the opportunity to participate. Edaham (talk) 09:01, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

No worries mate. We are all volunteers. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 10:12, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 9 – 5 February 2018

Facto Post – Issue 9 – 5 February 2018 m:Grants:Project/ScienceSource is the new ContentMine proposal: please take a look. Wikidata as Hub One way of looking at Wikidata relates it to the semantic web concept, around for about as long as Wikipedia, and realised in dozens of distributed Web institutions. It sees Wikidata as supplying central, encyclopedic coverage of linked structured data, and looks ahead to greater support for "federated queries" that draw together information from all parts of the emerging network of websites. Another perspective might be likened to a photographic negative of that one: Wikidata as an already-functioning Web hub. Over half of its properties are identifiers on other websites. These are Wikidata's "external links", to use Wikipedia terminology: one type for the DOI of a publication, another for the VIAF page of an author, with thousands more such. Wikidata links out to sites that are not nominally part of the semantic web, effectively drawing them into a larger system. The crosswalk possibilities of the systematic construction of these links was covered in Issue 8. Wikipedia:External links speaks of them as kept "minimal, meritable, and directly relevant to the article." Here Wikidata finds more of a function. On viaf.org one can type a VIAF author identifier into the search box, and find the author page. The Wikidata Resolver tool, these days including Open Street Map, Scholia etc., allows this kind of lookup. The hub tool by maxlath takes a major step further, allowing both lookup and crosswalk to be encoded in a single URL. Links What galleries, libraries, archives, and museums can teach us about multimedia metadata on Wikimedia Commons, Wikimedia Foundation blogpost, 29 January 2018, by Jonathan Morgan and Sandra Fauconnier m:The Wikipedia Library/1Lib1Ref/Connect, 2018 institutional participation in the #1lib1ref campaign Newspeak House queries, created at 3 February 2018 event in London led by Magnus Manske Cochrane–Wikipedia Initiative, Wikipedia Signpost special report 5 February 2018, by JenOttowa What is the Last Question?, 5 February 2018 To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see below. Editor Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him. Back numbers are here. Reminder: WikiFactMine pages on Wikidata are at WD:WFM. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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New Page Reviewer Newsletter

Hello Edaham, thank you for your efforts in reviewing new pages!

The NPP backlog at the end of the drive with the number of unreviewed articles by creation date. Red is older than 90 days, orange is between 90 and 30 days old, and green is younger than 30 days.

Backlog update:

• The new page backlog is currently at 3819 unreviewed articles, with a further 6660 unreviewed redirects.
• We are very close to eliminating the backlog completely; please help by reviewing a few extra articles each day!

New Year Backlog Drive results:

• We made massive progress during the recent four weeks of the NPP Backlog Drive, during which the backlog reduced by nearly six thousand articles and the length of the backlog by almost 3 months!

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• ACTRIAL will end it's initial phase on the 14th of March. Our goal is to reduce the backlog significantly below the 90 day index point by the 14th of March. Please consider helping with this goal by reviewing a few additional pages a day.
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Facto Post – Issue 10 – 12 March 2018

Facto Post – Issue 10 – 12 March 2018 Milestone for mix'n'match Around the time in February when Wikidata clicked past item Q50000000, another milestone was reached: the mix'n'match tool uploaded its 1000th dataset. Concisely defined by its author, Magnus Manske, it works "to match entries in external catalogs to Wikidata". The total number of entries is now well into eight figures, and more are constantly being added: a couple of new catalogs each day is normal. Since the end of 2013, mix'n'match has gradually come to play a significant part in adding statements to Wikidata. Particularly in areas with the flavour of digital humanities, but datasets can of course be about practically anything. There is a catalog on skyscrapers, and two on spiders. These days mix'n'match can be used in numerous modes, from the relaxed gamified click through a catalog looking for matches, with prompts, to the fantastically useful and often demanding search across all catalogs. I'll type that again: you can search 1000+ datasets from the simple box at the top right. The drop-down menu top left offers "creation candidates", Magnus's personal favourite. m:Mix'n'match/Manual for more. For the Wikidatan, a key point is that these matches, however carried out, add statements to Wikidata if, and naturally only if, there is a Wikidata property associated with the catalog. For everyone, however, the hands-on experience of deciding of what is a good match is an education, in a scholarly area, biographical catalogs being particularly fraught. Underpinning recent rapid progress is an open infrastructure for scraping and uploading. Congratulations to Magnus, our data Stakhanovite! Links 3D printing Wikipedia goes 3D allowing users to upload .STLs for digital reference, Beau Jackson for 3dprintingindustry.com, February 22 2018 WikiCite report (video) Formal publication and announcement of ISBN citation dataset, see Twitter post, February 23 2018 Plotting the Course Through Charted Waters, workshop on data visualization literacy from Mikhail Popov, Wikimedia Foundation Using Wikidata to build an authority list of Holocaust-era ghettos, Nancy Cooey, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, February 12 2018 Why Should You Learn SPARQL? Wikidata! Mark Longair, blogpost November 29 2017 Back to the future: Does graph database success hang on query language?, George Anadiotis for Big on Data, March 5 2018 To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see below. Editor Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him. Back numbers are here. Reminder: WikiFactMine pages on Wikidata are at WD:WFM. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:26, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

label references

Can you pleaze label references #13 and #35 on this page [1] like title of references and time and date and all, Rgards in advance (119.153.53.198 (talk) 20:08, 20 March 2018 (UTC))

I’m not acquainted with the material you are talking about. Are you sure you’ve got the right person? Edaham (talk) 23:20, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

New Page Review Newsletter No.10

Hello Edaham, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

ACTRIAL:

• ACTRIAL's six month experiment restricting new page creation to (auto)confirmed users ended on 14 March. As expected, a greatly increased number of unsuitable articles and candidates for deletion are showing up in the feed again, and the backlog has since increased already by ~30%. Please consider reviewing a few extra articles each day.

Paid editing

• Now that ACTRIAL is inoperative pending discussion, please be sure to look for tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary.

Subject-specific notability guidelines

• The box at the right contains each of the subject-specific notability guidelines, please review any that are relevant BEFORE nominating an article for deletion.
• Reviewers are requested to familiarise themselves with the new version of the notability guidelines for organisations and companies. A further discussion is currently taking place at: Can a subject specific guideline invalidate the General Notability Guideline?

Nominate competent users for Autopatrolled

• While patrolling articles, if you find an editor that is particularly competent at creating quality new articles, and that user has created more than 25 articles (rather than stubs), consider nominating them for the 'Autopatrolled' user right HERE.

News

• The next issue Wikipedia's newspaper The Signpost has now been published after a long delay. There are some articles in it, including ACTRIAL wrap-up that will be of special interest to New Page Reviewers. Don't hesitate to contribute to the comments sections. The Signpost is one of the best ways to stay up date with news and new developments - please consider subscribing to it. All editors of Wikipedia and associated projects are welcome to submit articles on any topic for consideration by the The Signpost's editorial team for the next issue.

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Facto Post – Issue 11 – 9 April 2018

Facto Post – Issue 11 – 9 April 2018 The 100 Skins of the Onion Open Citations Month, with its eminently guessable hashtag, is upon us. We should be utterly grateful that in the past 12 months, so much data on which papers cite which other papers has been made open, and that Wikidata is playing its part in hosting it as "cites" statements. At the time of writing, there are 15.3M Wikidata items that can do that. Pulling back to look at open access papers in the large, though, there is is less reason for celebration. Access in theory does not yet equate to practical access. A recent LSE IMPACT blogpost puts that issue down to "heterogeneity". A useful euphemism to save us from thinking that the whole concept doesn't fall into the realm of the oxymoron. Some home truths: aggregation is not content management, if it falls short on reusability. The PDF file format is wedded to how humans read documents, not how machines ingest them. The salami-slicer is our friend in the current downloading of open access papers, but for a better metaphor, think about skinning an onion, laboriously, 100 times with diminishing returns. There are of the order of 100 major publisher sites hosting open access papers, and the predominant offer there is still a PDF. Red onion cross section From the discoverability angle, Wikidata's bibliographic resources combined with the SPARQL query are superior in principle, by far, to existing keyword searches run over papers. Open access content should be managed into consistent HTML, something that is currently strenuous. The good news, such as it is, would be that much of it is already in XML. The organisational problem of removing further skins from the onion, with sensible prioritisation, is certainly not insuperable. The CORE group (the bloggers in the LSE posting) has some answers, but actually not all that is needed for the text and data mining purposes they highlight. The long tail, or in other words the onion heart when it has become fiddly beyond patience to skin, does call for a pis aller. But the real knack is to do more between the XML and the heart. Links Crossref as a new source of citation data: A comparison with Web of Science and Scopus, CWTS blogpost 17 January 2018, Nees Jan van Eck, Ludo Waltman, Vincent Larivière, Cassidy Sugimoto Citations with identifiers in Wikipedia, figshare dataset Making women more visible online—with Wikidata tools!, Wikimedia blogpost 29 March 2018 by Sandra Fauconnier Village pump discussion, Turn on mapframe? We’re ready if you are reaches conclusions The Power of the Wikimedia Movement beyond Wikimedia, Forbes 28 March 2018, Michael Bernick Tracing stolen bitcoin, blogpost 26 March 2018 by Ross J. Anderson To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see below. Editor Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him. Back numbers are here. Reminder: WikiFactMine pages on Wikidata are at WD:WFM. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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Help

@Edaham I got your review, thank you btw, but can you help me? I have the speedy deletion idk why, but can you help me take it off. Thank you in advance.

@Lazer Gaming: The short answer here is no, I can’t help you take it off. The reason for this is that you haven’t written a properly formed article with adequate sources. Jumping onto Wikipedia and starting your first article is quite hard. I think you are going to need to learn about sourcing before you read an article. On your talk page at the top is a welcome link which contains a link to a help sheet called “creating your first page” in this and other links is info which is very important for creating pages. Before I offer specific advice I’d really like you to read it. You will not get anywhere if you keep trying to create a page which has already been deleted. Thanks Edaham (talk) 02:36, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.11 25 May 2018

Hello Edaham, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

ACTRIAL:

• WP:ACREQ has been implemented. The flow at the feed has dropped back to the levels during the trial. However, the backlog is on the rise again so please consider reviewing a few extra articles each day; a backlog approaching 5,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.

Deletion tags

• Do bear in mind that articles in the feed showing the trash can icon may have been tagged by inexperienced or non NPR rights holders. They require your further verification.

Backlog drive:

• A backlog drive will take place from 10 through 20 June. Check out our talk page at WT:NPR for more details. NOTE: It is extremely important that we focus on quality reviewing. Despite our goal of reducing the backlog as much as possible, please do not rush while reviewing.

Editathons

• There will be a large increase in the number of editathons in June. Please be gentle with new pages that obviously come from good faith participants, especially articles from developing economies and ones about female subjects. Consider using the 'move to draft' tool rather than bluntly tagging articles that may have potential but which cannot yet reside in mainspace.

Paid editing - new policy

• Now that ACTRIAL is ACREQ, please be sure to look for tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary. There is a new global WMF policy that requires paid editors to connect to their adverts.

Subject-specific notability guidelines

• The box at the right contains each of the subject-specific notability guidelines, please review any that are relevant BEFORE nominating an article for deletion.
• Reviewers are requested to familiarise themselves with the new version of the notability guidelines for organisations and companies.

Not English

• A common issue: Pages not in English or poor, unattributed machine translations should not reside in main space even if they are stubs. Please ensure you are familiar with WP:NPPNE. Check in Google for the language and content, tag as required, then move to draft if they do have potential.

News

• Development is underway by the WMF on upgrades to the New Pages Feed, in particular ORES features that will help to identify COPYVIOs, and more granular options for selecting articles to review.
• The next issue of The Signpost has been published. The newspaper is one of the best ways to stay up to date with news and new developments. between our newsletters.

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Your thread has been archived

Hi Edaham! You created a thread called generating custom lists of articles. at Wikipedia:Teahouse, but it has been archived because there was no discussion for a few days. You can still find the archived discussion here. If you have any additional questions that weren't answered then, please create a new thread. Delivered by Muninnbot, an automated account. You can opt out of future notifications by placing {{bots|deny=Muninnbot}} (ban this bot) or {{nobots}} (ban all bots) on your user talk page. Muninnbot (talk) 19:01, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 12 – 28 May 2018

Facto Post – Issue 12 – 28 May 2018 ScienceSource funded The Wikimedia Foundation announced full funding of the ScienceSource grant proposal from ContentMine on May 18. See the ScienceSource Twitter announcement and 60 second video. A medical canon? The proposal includes downloading 30,000 open access papers, aiming (roughly speaking) to create a baseline for medical referencing on Wikipedia. It leaves open the question of how these are to be chosen. The basic criteria of WP:MEDRS include a concentration on secondary literature. Attention has to be given to the long tail of diseases that receive less current research. The MEDRS guideline supposes that edge cases will have to be handled, and the premature exclusion of publications that would be in those marginal positions would reduce the value of the collection. Prophylaxis misses the point that gate-keeping will be done by an algorithm. Two well-known but rather different areas where such considerations apply are tropical diseases and alternative medicine. There are also a number of potential downloading troubles, and these were mentioned in Issue 11. There is likely to be a gap, even with the guideline, between conditions taken to be necessary but not sufficient, and conditions sufficient but not necessary, for candidate papers to be included. With around 10,000 recognised medical conditions in standard lists, being comprehensive is demanding. With all of these aspects of the task, ScienceSource will seek community help. Links OpenRefine logo, courtesy of Google d:Wikidata:Lexicographical data, Wikidata's multi-lingual dictionary project gets going Ordia tool, a basic search interface for Wikidata lexemes and forms OpenRefine tool 3.0, May update allows wrangling of tabular information into Wikidata d:Wikidata:WikiProject British Politicians pushes ahead with data modelling and imports #1Lib1Ref Returns for a Second Time in 2018, IFLA blogpost 25 May 2018, second chance this year to participate in referencing Wikipedia To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see below. Editor Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him. Back numbers are here. Reminder: WikiFactMine pages on Wikidata are at WD:WFM. ScienceSource pages will be announced there, and in this mass message. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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About meta user page

If you have a question about the blocked editor's user page, it's probably better to either ask it on my talk page or comment about it at the AN/I thread; it's easier to keep track and keeps unwanted notification for the blocked editor. Anyway, I will ask a meta admin to delete their user page on meta. Thanks. Alex Shih (talk) 10:52, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

It's OK I've worked out the issue - the only reason I asked you there is because I was trying to contact the user there during several edit conflicts - which were possibly created by you blocking him. In any case I've created a blank page for the user's user page with the effect that it displays nothing rather than the promotional material which is redirected from the meta page. Sorry to disturb you and cheers. Edaham (talk) 10:54, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

NPP Backlog Elimination Drive

Hello Edaham, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

We can see the light at the end of the tunnel: there are currently 2900 unreviewed articles, and 4000 unreviewed redirects.

Announcing the Backlog Elimination Drive!

• As a final push, we have decided to run a backlog elimination drive from the 20th to the 30th of June.
• Reviewers who review at least 50 articles or redirects will receive a Special Edition NPP Barnstar: . Those who review 100, 250, 500, or 1000 pages will also receive tiered awards: , , , .
• Please do not be hasty, take your time and fully review each page. It is extremely important that we focus on quality reviewing.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Daryl Aiden Yao

Hello Edaham,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Daryl Aiden Yao for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Earthh (talk) 21:50, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 13 – 29 May 2018

Facto Post – Issue 13 – 29 May 2018 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. Respecting MEDRS Facto Post enters its second year, with a Cambridge Blue (OK, Aquamarine) background, a new logo, but no Cambridge blues. On-topic for the ScienceSource project is a project page here. It contains some case studies on how the WP:MEDRS guideline, for the referencing of articles at all related to human health, is applied in typical discussions. Close to home also, a template, called {{medrs}} for short, is used to express dissatisfaction with particular references. Technology can help with patrolling, and this Petscan query finds over 450 articles where there is at least one use of the template. Of course the template is merely suggesting there is a possible issue with the reliability of a reference. Deciding the truth of the allegation is another matter. This maintenance issue is one example of where ScienceSource aims to help. Where the reference is to a scientific paper, its type of algorithm could give a pass/fail opinion on such references. It could assist patrollers of medical articles, therefore, with the templated references and more generally. There may be more to proper referencing than that, indeed: context, quite what the statement supported by the reference expresses, prominence and weight. For that kind of consideration, case studies can help. But an algorithm might help to clear the backlog. Evidence pyramid leading up to clinical guidelines, from WP:MEDRS Links World Cup scorers bubble chart, by the league in which they play, query run on Wikidata Timeline of discoveries of natural satellites in the solar system, query run on Wikidata 4800 Welsh portraits added to Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata, National Library of Wales blogpost 27 June 2018, by Jason.nlw The "deaditors" of Wikipedia, Hay Kranen blogpost, 15 June 2018 Six dimensions of open access, polemical tweet, 17 June 2018 If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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Talk:Southern Poverty Law Center

Dervorguilla tried but she got reverted by PeterTheFourth and reverted again by Malik Shabazz (who then advised her at User talk to knock off her edit warring).

Note that the section as a whole shouldn't get hidden (because RSN). --Dervorguilla (talk) 04:46, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

That diff doesn't show someone collapsing the thread, it shows someone partially collapsing specific comments from the thread. I've never seen this done before. It's akin to striking out, or removing another user's text. It seems unconventional and rude. If you found another user's comments to be improper, don't collapse or remove them - you can either continue discussion or take it to ANI. If the thread isn't going anywhere, close the whole thing and start a new one. While doing so, consider why the thread didn't get anywhere the first time and try to address the issue accordingly. Given the nature of the discussion thus far, this seems like a tall order, but those are WP recommendations. Edaham (talk) 04:53, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 14 – 21 July 2018

Facto Post – Issue 14 – 21 July 2018 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. Plugging the gaps – Wikimania report Officially it is "bridging the gaps in knowledge", with Wikimania 2018 in Cape Town paying tribute to the southern African concept of ubuntu to implement it. Besides face-to-face interactions, Wikimedians do need their power sources. Hackathon mentoring table wiring Facto Post interviewed Jdforrester, who has attended every Wikimania, and now works as Senior Product Manager for the Wikimedia Foundation. His take on tackling the gaps in the Wikimedia movement is that "if we were an army, we could march in a column and close up all the gaps". In his view though, that is a faulty metaphor, and it leads to a completely false misunderstanding of the movement, its diversity and different aspirations, and the nature of the work as "fighting" to be done in the open sector. There are many fronts, and as an eventualist he feels the gaps experienced both by editors and by users of Wikimedia content are inevitable. He would like to see a greater emphasis on reuse of content, not simply its volume. If that may not sound like radicalism, the Decolonizing the Internet conference here organized jointly with Whose Knowledge? can redress the picture. It comes with the claim to be "the first ever conference about centering marginalized knowledge online". Plugbar buildup at the Hackathon Links ScienceSource focus list (shortcut WD:SSFL on Wikidata), project to tag a first-pass open access medical bibliography on Wikidata, and also overcome the systematic biases in the medical literature by curation. Wikimedia Foundation and Kiwix partner to grow offline access to Wikipedia, Wikimedia Foundation blogpost 18 July 2018. Wikipedia's upcoming Cape Town conference will tackle the issue of diversity, Jamie Matroos, 2 July 2018. VideoWiki, a video version of Wikipedia. Search Full-Text within 4M+ Books, by MEK, The Open Library Blog, 14 July 2018 More than 5,000 German scientists have published papers in pseudo-scientific journals, NDR, 19 July 2018. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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NPR Newsletter No.12 30 July 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months. ()

Hello Edaham, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

June backlog drive

Overall the June backlog drive was a success, reducing the last 3,000 or so to below 500. However, as expected, 90% of the patrolling was done by less than 10% of reviewers.
Since the drive closed, the backlog has begun to rise sharply again and is back up to nearly 1,400 already. Please help reduce this total and keep it from raising further by reviewing some articles each day.

New technology, new rules

• New features are shortly going to be added to the Special:NewPagesFeed which include a list of drafts for review, OTRS flags for COPYVIO, and more granular filter preferences. More details can be found at this page.
• Probationary permissions: Now that PERM has been configured to allow expiry dates to all minor user rights, new NPR flag holders may sometimes be limited in the first instance to 6 months during which their work will be assessed for both quality and quantity of their reviews. This will allow admins to accord the right in borderline cases rather than make a flat out rejection.
• Current reviewers who have had the flag for longer than 6 months but have not used the permissions since they were granted will have the flag removed, but may still request to have it granted again in the future, subject to the same probationary period, if they wish to become an active reviewer.

Editathons

• Editathons will continue through August. Please be gentle with new pages that obviously come from good faith participants, especially articles from developing economies and ones about female subjects. Consider using the 'move to draft' tool rather than bluntly tagging articles that may have potential but which cannot yet reside in mainspace.

The Signpost

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Facto Post – Issue 15 – 21 August 2018

Facto Post – Issue 15 – 21 August 2018 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. Neglected diseases Anti-parasitic drugs being distributed in Côte d'Ivoire What's a Neglected Disease?, ScienceSource video To grasp the nettle, there are rare diseases, there are tropical diseases and then there are "neglected diseases". Evidently a rare enough disease is likely to be neglected, but neglected disease these days means a disease not rare, but tropical, and most often infectious or parasitic. Rare diseases as a group are dominated, in contrast, by genetic diseases. A major aspect of neglect is found in tracking drug discovery. Orphan drugs are those developed to treat rare diseases (rare enough not to have market-driven research), but there is some overlap in practice with the WHO's neglected diseases, where snakebite, a "neglected public health issue", is on the list. From an encyclopedic point of view, lack of research also may mean lack of high-quality references: the core medical literature differs from primary research, since it operates by aggregating trials. This bibliographic deficit clearly hinders Wikipedia's mission. The ScienceSource project is currently addressing this issue, on Wikidata. Its Wikidata focus list at WD:SSFL is trying to ensure that neglect does not turn into bias in its selection of science papers. Links Wikipedia, Wikidata, and citations, a census, August 2 2018, blogpost by Magnus Manske The rise of Wikidata as a linked data source August 6, 2018, by Karen Smith-Yoshimura on OCLC Research blog Where do Mayors Come From: Querying Wikidata with Python and SPARQL, August 1 2018, Parametric Thoughts blog Newspapers On Wikipedia Update: Initial Wikidata Pass 9 August 2018, Mike Caulfield Google Scholar, Web of Science, and Scopus: a systematic comparison of citations in 252 subject categories Alberto Martín-Martín, Enrique Orduna-Malea, Mike Thelwall, Emilio Delgado López-Cózar, arxiv.org, submitted on 15 August 2018 If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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Thanks for possibly undeserved thanks

Of course, I always greatly enjoy thanks for edits of mine, but, to be honest, in my intentions I related the "overlapping" with "tasks" and not with "mathematics", which, maybe, is not fully congruent with your intentions. Personally, I consider the mathematical branch of applied math as belonging to math, but the "application of methods from applied math" does not, this task forms the addressed overlap. It may well be that my opinion is not fit for any possible consensus, but I still cling to it. I do not care that much for the lead, or even the whole article as to fight for any specific content, but I try to help the side nearer to my convictions and hope to keep out incompetent zealots, fighting for "their simplicity". It was very nice to read your notice. Thanks, Purgy (talk) 10:21, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

I make it a habit to thank people who build upon or alter rather than revert my edits. I don’t really know anything about math, but I do read an awful lot of lead sections. I’m trying to look at the article from the perspective of a reader who is broad minded enough to simply type “Math” into the search bar. Such a reader is probably not looking to find the definitive results of a furious talk page debate, but rather, just hazily touching on a subject they might have had stuffed behind a few slabs of grey matter for some time. I wrote the new opening sentence with this in mind and I think the result looks reasonable, both before and after your edit. Thanks again. Edaham (talk) 14:21, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Edaham. You have new messages at TomCat4680's talk page.
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/StreetDrone (2nd nomination)

Please see the new nomination for StreetDrone at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/StreetDrone (2nd nomination), instead of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/StreetDrone. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:09, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Dusser

Hi

1. Why do you want to delete the article even though the article is in many languages? 2- Dussur company is global and its capital is huge and you can improve it

--Bander7799 (talk) 06:56, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Because you've copy pasted it from the company website. It's blatantly promotional and even if it wasn't it would be a copyright violation. Stop removing deletion tags without improving the article. If you have any objection to its deletion you can voice them on the talk page. The fact that it exists on other Wikimedia sites does nothing to transfer notability to this article. They all have their own guidelines regarding notability and promotional material. Edaham (talk) 07:01, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Flint Water Crisis

My position is that Tomcat4680 has been obviously trying to "bury" history of discussion of the Talk page for the Flint Water Crisis, apparently by setting the Archive time down to as low as 30 days, and more recently he "tolerated" a 90-day archive. It doesn't take very long before the Talk page turns to "zero" length. If you look at the article, it is clear that Tomcat4680 has heavily edited the article; alone that isn't bad, but it suggests that he might think he "owns" the article. The Wikipedia article on archiving, as I recall, refers to a 75Kbyte typical length of a file before archiving. I'm not sure how to determine the length of an article/Talk-page, but I am virtually certain that the reason that the Talk page has been so empty is that the archiving has swept away almost everything about prior discussions. It's conceivable this guy is not merely controlling but is also OCD, and he wants a 'nice, clean Talk page'. In other words, the smaller the number of comments, the better. Zero comments would be nice, I suspect he believes. And he gets this by setting the archive to a low value. 2601:1C2:4E02:3020:D425:5619:7EC6:41D1 (talk) 02:49, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

No personal attacks please. A compromise has been suggested. I think you should attempt to work in tandem in a more sociable and affable way. Disagreements are common. You can talk it out constructively. Saying he has OCD is talking about the user’s personality. There’s simply no need to do that and it is against policy. Really it’s actually against policy - as in you can lose your editing privileges for doing it. Edaham (talk) 05:17, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018

Hello Edaham, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.

Project news

• The New Page Feed now has a new "Articles for Creation" option which will show drafts instead of articles in the feed, this shouldn't impact NPP activities and is part of the WMF's AfC Improvement Project.

As part of this project, the feed will have some larger updates to functionality next month. Specifically, ORES predictions will be built in, which will automatically flag articles for potential issues such as vandalism or spam. Copyright violation detection will also be added to the new page feed. See the projects's talk page for more info.

• There are a number of coordination tasks for New Page Patrol that could use some help from experienced reviewers. See Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination#Coordinator tasks for more info to see if you can help out.

Other

• A new summary page of reliable sources has been created; Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources, which summarizes existing RfCs or RSN discussions about regularly used sources.

Moving to Draft and Page Mover

• Some unsuitable new articles can be best reviewed by moving them to the draft space, but reviewers need to do this carefully and sparingly. It is most useful for topics that look like they might have promise, but where the article as written would be unlikely to survive AfD. If the article can be easily fixed, or if the only issue is a lack of sourcing that is easily accessible, tagging or adding sources yourself is preferable. If sources do not appear to be available and the topic does not appear to be notable, tagging for deletion is preferable (PROD/AfD/CSD as appropriate). See additional guidance at WP:DRAFTIFY.
• If the user moves the draft back to mainspace, or recreates it in mainspace, please do not re-draftify the article (although swapping it to maintain the page history may be advisable in the case of copy-paste moves). AfC is optional except for editors with a clear conflict of interest.
• Articles that have been created in contravention of our paid-editing-requirements or written from a blatant NPOV perspective, or by authors with a clear COI might also be draftified at discretion.
• The best tool for draftification is User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js^(info). Kindly adapt the text in the dialogue-pop-up as necessary (the default can also be changed like this). Note that if you do not have the Page Mover userright, the redirect from main will be automatically tagged as CSD R2, but in some cases it might be better to make this a redirect to a different page instead.
• The Page Mover userright can be useful for New Page Reviewers; occasionally page swapping is needed during NPR activities, and it helps avoid excessive R2 nominations which must be processed by admins. Note that the Page Mover userright has higher requirements than the NPR userright, and is generally given to users active at Requested Moves. Only reviewers who are very experienced and are also very active reviewers are likely to be granted it solely for NPP activities.

List of other useful scripts for New Page Reviewing

Twinkle provides a lot of the same functionality as the page curation tools, and some reviewers prefer to use the Twinkle tools for some/all tasks. It can be activated simply in the gadgets section of 'preferences'. There are also a lot of options available at the Twinkle preferences panel after you install the gadget. In terms of other gadgets for NPR, HotCat is worth turning on. It allows you to easily add, remove, and change categories on a page, with name suggestions. MoreMenu also adds a bunch of very useful links for diagnosing and fixing page issues. User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js(info): Installing scripts doesn't have to be complicated. Go to your common.js and copy importScript( 'User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js' ); into an empty line, now you can install all other scripts with the click of a button from the script page! (Note you need to be at the ".js" page for the script for the install button to appear, not the information page) User:TheJosh/Scripts/NewPagePatrol.js(info): Creates a scrolling new pages list at the left side of the page. You can change the number of pages shown by adding the following to the next line on your common.js page (immediately after the line importing this script): npp_num_pages=20; (Recommended 20, but you can use any number from 1 to 50). User:Primefac/revdel.js(info): Is requesting revdel complicated and time consuming? This script helps simplify the process. Just have the Copyvio source URL and go to the history page and collect your diff IDs and you can drop them into the script Popups and it will create a revdel request for you. User:Lourdes/PageCuration.js(info): Creates a "Page Curation" link to Special:NewPagesFeed up near your sandbox link. User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js: Creates links next to the title of each page which show up if it has been previously deleted or nominated for deletion. User:Evad37/rater.js(info): A fantastic tool for adding WikiProject templates to article talk pages. If you add: rater_autostartNamespaces = 0; to the next line on your common.js, the prompt will pop up automatically if a page has no Wikiproject templates on the talk page (note: this can be a bit annoying if you review redirects or dab pages commonly).

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You have recently shown interest in the Arab–Israeli conflict. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect: any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or any page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

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@Mr. Guye: I have not been involved in the area of discussion mentioned above, nor do I frequently contribute material on this subject so your notice has been issued in error. Thank you for your contributions but do take due care when issuing standard templates, particularly discretionary sanctions notices, as these can serve to alert viewers of a talk page to a user’s involvement in a controversial topic. Edaham (talk) 10:18, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

• Yes you are. You are involved in Israel and Islamophobia. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  20:28, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Guye I can see where you might have drawn that conclusion. I reviewed that page as a new page patroller. I used an RfC to draw attention to what I thought were some grey area issues, which needed attention on the page. Had I been actively involved in disputing material on that article or had I intended to be involved in ongoing discussions on that subject, I would not have reviewed it. This was a slightly questionable use of the RfC template but I decided to forgoe typical form as thought it would ultimately benefit the article. I do not intend to be involved in and will never contribute to articles concerning this subject except in the (very occasional) capacity of an uninvolved NPP reviewer. I’ve commented briefly on the talk page of the article you mentioned to further clarify this. Edaham (talk) 21:14, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 16 – 30 September 2018

Facto Post – Issue 16 – 30 September 2018 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. The science publishing landscape In an ideal world ... no, bear with your editor for just a minute ... there would be a format for scientific publishing online that was as much a standard as SI units are for the content. Likewise cataloguing publications would not be onerous, because part of the process would be to generate uniform metadata. Without claiming it could be the mythical free lunch, it might be reasonably be argued that sandwiches can be packaged much alike and have barcodes, whatever the fillings. The best on offer, to stretch the metaphor, is the meal kit option, in the form of XML. Where scientific papers are delivered as XML downloads, you get all the ingredients ready to cook. But have to prepare the actual meal of slow food yourself. See Scholarly HTML for a recent pass at heading off XML with HTML, in other words in the native language of the Web. The argument from real life is a traditional mixture of frictional forces, vested interests, and the classic irony of the principle of unripe time. On the other hand, discoverability actually diminishes with the prolific progress of science publishing. No, it really doesn't scale. Wikimedia as movement can do something in such cases. We know from open access, we grok the Web, we have our own horse in the HTML race, we have Wikidata and WikiJournal, and we have the chops to act. Links ImageGrid SPARQL query for the Art+Feminism focus list on Wikidata. Run and then scroll ... The TABernacle tool for Wikidata editing, by Magnus Manske, has been upgraded. Demo with the ScienceSource focus list and main subjects: with a WiDar login you can edit directly in the table cells. Enslaved: People of the Historic Slave Trade, Michigan State University project for a linked open data platform. Quote: "Disambiguating and merging individuals across multiple datasets is nearly impossible given their current, siloed nature." As the Linked Data for Production (LD4P) project finishes its initial two-year cycle and moves into LD4P2, a list of its BIBFRAME and other RDF tools. Machine Learning with and for Semantic Web Knowledge Graphs, detailed slide pack by Heiko Paulheim, University of Mannheim. In Europe, Scientists Need to Share Their Research for Free if They Want Government Funding, Futurism, by Kristin House, 5 September 2018. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Edaham, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

Backlog

As of 21 October 2018, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.

Community Wishlist Proposal

• There is currently an ongoing discussion regarding the drafting of a Community Wishlist Proposal for the purpose of requesting bug fixes and missing/useful features to be added to the New Page Feed and Curation Toolbar.
• Please join the conversation as we only have until 29 October to draft this proposal!

Project updates

• ORES predictions are now built-in to the feed. These automatically predict the class of an article as well as whether it may be spam, vandalism, or an attack page, and can be filtered by these criteria now allowing reviewers to better target articles that they prefer to review.
• There are now tools being tested to automatically detect copyright violations in the feed. This detector may not be accurate all the time, though, so it shouldn't be relied on 100% and will only start working on new revisions to pages, not older pages in the backlog.

New scripts

• User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel.js^(info) — A new script created for quickly placing {{copyvio-revdel}} on a page.

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Facto Post – Issue 17 – 29 October 2018

Facto Post – Issue 17 – 29 October 2018 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. Wikidata imaged Around 2.7 million Wikidata items have an illustrative image. These files, you might say, are Wikimedia's stock images, and if the number is large, it is still only 5% or so of items that have one. All such images are taken from Wikimedia Commons, which has 50 million media files. One key issue is how to expand the stock. Indeed, there is a tool. WD-FIST exploits the fact that each Wikipedia is differently illustrated, mostly with images from Commons but also with fair use images. An item that has sitelinks but no illustrative image can be tested to see if the linked wikis have a suitable one. This works well for a volunteer who wants to add images at a reasonable scale, and a small amount of SPARQL knowledge goes a long way in producing checklists. Gran Teatro, Cáceres, Spain, at night It should be noted, though, that there are currently 53 Wikidata properties that link to Commons, of which P18 for the basic image is just one. WD-FIST prompts the user to add signatures, plaques, pictures of graves and so on. There are a couple of hundred monograms, mostly of historical figures, and this query allows you to view all of them. commons:Category:Monograms and its subcategories provide rich scope for adding more. And so it is generally. The list of properties linking to Commons does contain a few that concern video and audio files, and rather more for maps. But it contains gems such as P3451 for "nighttime view". Over 1000 of those on Wikidata, but as for so much else, there could be yet more. Go on. Today is Wikidata's birthday. An illustrative image is always an acceptable gift, so why not add one? You can follow these easy steps: (i) log in at https://tools.wmflabs.org/widar/, (ii) paste the Petscan ID 6263583 into https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/ and click run, and (iii) just add cake. Birthday logo Links Now Wikidata is six, Signpost Special Report Find out how @TheContentMine are attempting to mine scientific and medical literature to improve the accuracy of Wikipedia., Wikimedia UK tweet and video ScienceSource and the Semantic Web sciencesource-pmc-licenses tool by Oravrattas to extract Creative Commons license information from PubMed Central pages, created at the Cambridge Wikidata Workshop Whizzy use of SPARQL to map the London Underground system, whizzed past on Twitter. Wikidata birthday events mapped by SPARQL, too d:Wikidata:Sixth Birthday/Message from dev team If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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NPR Newsletter No.15 16 November 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Edaham,

Community Wishlist Survey – NPP needs you – Vote NOW

• Community Wishlist Voting takes place 16 to 30 November for the Page Curation and New Pages Feed improvements, and other software requests. The NPP community is hoping for a good turnout in support of the requests to Santa for the tools we need. This is very important as we have been asking the Foundation for these upgrades for 4 years.

If this proposal does not make it into the top ten, it is likely that the tools will be given no support at all for the foreseeable future. So please put in a vote today.

We are counting on significant support not only from our own ranks, but from everyone who is concerned with maintaining a Wikipedia that is free of vandalism, promotion, flagrant financial exploitation and other pollution.

With all 650 reviewers voting for these urgently needed improvements, our requests would be unlikely to fail. See also The Signpost Special report: 'NPP: This could be heaven or this could be hell for new users – and for the reviewers', and if you are not sure what the wish list is all about, take a sneak peek at an article in this month's upcoming issue of The Signpost which unfortunately due to staff holidays and an impending US holiday will probably not be published until after voting has closed.

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A barnstar for you.

		The Helping Hand Barnstar
		Thank you so much for helping Alvanhholmes. I've tried really hard to help them myself, but I feel too inexperienced for more than just help with navigating the technical aspects of Wikipedia and I care deeply about the accessibility of Wikipedia. Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 04:05, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Shashi Sushila Murray: That is actually the first barn star I've received. Thank you. Edaham (talk) 08:16, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

concerning John Ferrar

Thank you for your response on the Teahouse, I can work the articles I have created a Sandbox3 with an article on John Ferrar, Deputy Treasurer. He is notable, However the article is one paragraph, there is a dearth of information on him other than the important role he played in the Virginia Company.

I created an article for John Ferrar the Elder, Esquire. There is a lot of information on him but I can find nothing notable other than he was the father of William Farrar (the settler)

I notice that I now have two user talk pages, the one that I can access easily and the one that you created (user talk:Alvanhholmes/sandbox. How can I readily access the page you created if I shut down my browser or close the page? As it stands I am leaving my browser open all the time, but put my computer into hibernation by closing the lid. That's unhandy.

I fear that the John Ferrar the Elder article will not meet the standards for notability. save that a case can be made that because he was wealthy, he was able to endow his son, and thus finance the venture of William Farrar (the settler).

Alvanhholmes (talk) 11:53, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Alvanhholmes:

You’ve actually made a handy link to your main sandbox on your user page. Once you navigate there, you just click the talk link at the top right. Most pages on Wikipedia have talk pages, even sandboxes. At this point it’s best to think of your sandbox page as a draft article.

if you have info on the financial status of this John Ferrar chap, presumably you know it via a source. What’s that source please? If it mentions him and his lineage, that may well be enough to confer notability. Edaham (talk) 16:15, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I am baffled and confused by wiki. but I thank you for creating those links on my user page. I tried to create hat links on my sandbox3 and 4 but evidently failed. Could you check them out and tell me the correct syntax, or correct the syntax and I will check it in source edit, that way I know how to do it in the future, or maybe I did it write, but the link doesn't show because the articles haven't yet been published. The hat notes are in Sandbox3 and Sandbox4

As regards the financial status of John Ferrar the elder, he and his status etc are all sourced in the reflist. Is that adequate? Thank you very muchAlvanhholmes (talk) 17:31, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I will have a look at your ref list and check it out. I’ll also write you a hat link later. Edaham (talk) 23:40, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Edaham. I just provided Alvanhholmes with some feedback on my talk page here. It looks like you've provided feedback on these articles already and, in anticipation of us both continuing to help Alvan, I wanted to notify you of this as I think it'll improve our feedback. Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 02:43, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 18 – 30 November 2018

Facto Post – Issue 18 – 30 November 2018 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. WikiCite issue GLAM ♥ data — what is a gallery, library, archive or museum without a catalogue? It follows that Wikidata must love librarians. Bibliography supports students and researchers in any topic, but open and machine-readable bibliographic data even more so, outside the silo. Cue the WikiCite initiative, which was meeting in conference this week, in the Bay Area of California. Wikidata training for librarians at WikiCite 2018 In fact there is a broad scope: "Open Knowledge Maps via SPARQL" and the "Sum of All Welsh Literature", identification of research outputs, Library.Link Network and Bibframe 2.0, OSCAR and LUCINDA (who they?), OCLC and Scholia, all these co-exist on the agenda. Certainly more library science is coming Wikidata's way. That poses the question about the other direction: is more Wikimedia technology advancing on libraries? Good point. Wikimedians generally are not aware of the tech background that can be assumed, unless they are close to current training for librarians. A baseline definition is useful here: "bash, git and OpenRefine". Compare and contrast with pywikibot, GitHub and mix'n'match. Translation: scripting for automation, version control, data set matching and wrangling in the large, are on the agenda also for contemporary library work. Certainly there is some possible common ground here. Time to understand rather more about the motivations that operate in the library sector. Links Wikidata and Libraries: Facilitating Open Knowledge, book chapter by Mairelys Lemus-Rojas, metadata librarian and Lydia Pintscher, Wikidata Product Manager, from Leveraging Wikipedia: Connecting Communities of Knowledge (2018) LD4P and WikiCite: Opportunities for collaboration, WikiCite 2018 program abstract, Christine Fernsebner Eslao of Harvard Library Information and Technical Services and Michelle Futornick, Linked Data for Production Program Manager at Stanford University Shell Lessons for Librarians, Library Carpentry lesson At-risk content on Flickr, blogpost 3 November 2018, Andrew Gray Toward an Abstract Wikipedia, recent white paper by Wikidata founder Denny Vrandečić (Google) Account creation is now open on the ScienceSource wiki, where you can see SPARQL visualisations of text mining. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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Sig fix

Hi, fixed your signature [2] ... it's all about the squigglies. Happy editing --Middle 8 (t • c | privacy • acupuncture COI?) 19:04, 12 December 2018 (UTC) Middle 8 thanks - I have Chinese text input on my devices and sometimes the Chinese versions of the punctuation characters are used, which come from a different character set than the ones found omg a standard keyboard. Cheers again. Edaham (talk) 02:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.16 15 December 2018

Hello Edaham,

Reviewer of the Year

This year's award for the Reviewer of the Year goes to Onel5969. Around on Wikipedia since 2011, their staggering number of 26,554 reviews over the past twelve months makes them, together with an additional total of 275,285 edits, one of Wikipedia's most prolific users.

Thanks are also extended for their work to JTtheOG (15,059 reviews), Boleyn (12,760 reviews), Cwmhiraeth (9,001 reviews), Semmendinger (8,440 reviews), PRehse (8,092 reviews), Arthistorian1977 (5,306 reviews), Abishe (4,153 reviews), Barkeep49 (4,016 reviews), and Elmidae (3,615 reviews).
Cwmhiraeth, Semmendinger, Barkeep49, and Elmidae have been New Page Reviewers for less than a year — Barkeep49 for only seven months, while Boleyn, with an edit count of 250,000 since she joined Wikipedia in 2008, has been a bastion of New Page Patrol for many years.

See also the list of top 100 reviewers.

Less good news, and an appeal for some help

The backlog is now approaching 5,000, and still rising. There are around 640 holders of the NPR flag, most of whom appear to be inactive. The 10% of the reviewers who do 90% of the work could do with some support especially as some of them are now taking a well deserved break.

Really good news - NPR wins the Community Wishlist Survey 2019

At #1 position, the Community Wishlist poll closed on 3 December with a resounding success for NPP, reminding the WMF and the volunteer communities just how critical NPP is to maintaining a clean encyclopedia and the need for improved tools to do it. A big 'thank you' to everyone who supported the NPP proposals. See the results.

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Happy Holidays

Best wishes for this holiday season! Thank you for your Wiki contributions in 2018. May 2019 be prosperous and joyful. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:33, 22 December 2018 (UTC) Noël ~ καλά Χριστούγεννα ~ З Калядамі ~ חנוכה שמח ~ Gott nytt år!

Rachel Dolezal

Hello! Why not use the word actually used ("travails") instead of "own experiences"? Agreed, the word comes from French "travail"(=labour) but it isn't an unknown word either. And I think that this substitution changes the meaning: comparing ones "travails" to slavery means that the bad sides were comparable to it, but comparing ones "experiences" to it means all/most aspects were comparable to it and that is much broader assertion. And a change of a quote for the sake of better reading must no do this! --Insektenrueckgang (talk) 13:18, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

it’s both obscure and POV. The word belongs in a prosaic narrative about the plight of a solder beset on both flanks by... etc etc. It’s not suitable. Edaham (talk) 17:29, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

also keep article text related discussion on the article page. Extending the discussion into my talk page makes it harder for other editors to follow what is going on. Edaham (talk) 17:30, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

I did it here because it's only a specific issue and I'm not a native English speaker and learned French as 2nd foreign language so "travails" sounds quite familiar to me since it's the common French word for "work" (in plural form). So I'm referring to the "standard" dictionaries of English language: The Oxford dictionary states that "travails" means "painful or laborious effort" (and lists as synonyms: "hard work, menial work, donkey work, toil, toiling, labour, hard labour, sweated labour, chores, plodding" and "ordeal, trial, tribulation") and the second meaning "pains of childbirth". And the Cambridge dictionary states that it means "difficult situations and unpleasant experiences". So why is it wrong to quote (!) that (old-fashioned) word? --Insektenrueckgang (talk) 15:43, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

dict.cc EN->FR --Insektenrueckgang (talk) 09:11, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

You both asked and answered that question. Edaham (talk) 09:26, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Isn't sticking to the source much more important than the possible drawback of "old-fashioned-ness"? And Wikipedia is an encyclopedia: as the source (it's the New York Post not some high-brow philosophical magazine!) can use that word, why is it not quotable in Wikipedia? --Insektenrueckgang (talk) 11:34, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Another reason why I'm posting here is that you can delete my posts and I don't want to expand the talk page of the article too much. Since you engaged quite a bit in the topic, I've a question: In the news articles and in the Wikipedia text itself one of her adoptive brothers is featured as a witness against her about what she said of her childhood – without further elaboration (e.g. slate.com). But he's 15 years younger than she is, isn't that strange? --Insektenrueckgang (talk) 16:57, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

my break time. Please leave a message after the audible tone. Edaham (talk) 17:07, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Got it. As I've said, feel free to delete. Bye! --Insektenrueckgang (talk) 17:16, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 19 – 27 December 2018

Facto Post – Issue 19 – 27 December 2018 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. Learning from Zotero Zotero is free software for reference management by the Center for History and New Media: see Wikipedia:Citing sources with Zotero. It is also an active user community, and has broad-based language support. Zotero logo Besides the handiness of Zotero's warehousing of personal citation collections, the Zotero translator underlies the citoid service, at work behind the VisualEditor. Metadata from Wikidata can be imported into Zotero; and in the other direction the zotkat tool from the University of Mannheim allows Zotero bibliographies to be exported to Wikidata, by item creation. With an extra feature to add statements, that route could lead to much development of the focus list (P5008) tagging on Wikidata, by WikiProjects. Zotero demo video There is also a large-scale encyclopedic dimension here. The construction of Zotero translators is one facet of Web scraping that has a strong community and open source basis. In that it resembles the less formal mix'n'match import community, and growing networks around other approaches that can integrate datasets into Wikidata, such as the use of OpenRefine. Looking ahead, the thirtieth birthday of the World Wide Web falls in 2019, and yet the ambition to make webpages routinely readable by machines can still seem an ever-retreating mirage. Wikidata should not only be helping Wikimedia integrate its projects, an ongoing process represented by Structured Data on Commons and lexemes. It should also be acting as a catalyst to bring scraping in from the cold, with institutional strengths as well as resourceful code. Links Zotero Comes to Google Docs, Zotero blogpost by Dan Stillman, 19 October 2018. Category:Wikipedians who use Zotero T115158 Write a Zotero translator and document process for creating new Zotero translator and getting it live in production, long Phabricator thread 2015–17. Zotero Translators, documentation from zotero.org. Home page on GitHub for Zotero translator Javascript Example translator, for Wikisource. m:Structured Data on Commons/Newsletter/2018-12-07 Diversitech, the latest ContentMine grant application to the Wikimedia Foundation, is in its community review stage until January 2. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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Happy New Year!

Happy New Year!

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Nice olive branch....

...but given Architecttype's approach to this, you will be lucky to get all your fingers back. As a longtime editor in my areas of interest and a more recent dabbler at Teahouse, what I see at the latter are many people asking for help and a few looking to pick a fight. When poked, Teahouse editors will push back. And we get what we got here. My slim hope here is that this imbroglio will fade over time (I certainly are going to stop fanning the flames), and AT can either go home or go back to creating articles. Which will then be edited by other editors, and Whoops - there we go again. David notMD (talk) 16:31, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

• I Agree. ―Buster7 ☎ 15:47, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 20 – 31 January 2019

Facto Post – Issue 20 – 31 January 2019 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. Everything flows (and certainly data does) Recently Jimmy Wales has made the point that computer home assistants take much of their data from Wikipedia, one way or another. So as well as getting Spotify to play Frosty the Snowman for you, they may be able to answer the question "is the Pope Catholic?" Possibly by asking for disambiguation (Coptic?). Amazon Echo device using the Amazon Alexa service in voice search showdown with the Google rival on an Android phone Headlines about data breaches are now familiar, but the unannounced circulation of information raises other issues. One of those is Gresham's law stated as "bad data drives out good". Wikipedia and now Wikidata have been criticised on related grounds: what if their content, unattributed, is taken to have a higher standing than Wikimedians themselves would grant it? See Wikiquote on a misattribution to Bismarck for the usual quip about "law and sausages", and why one shouldn't watch them in the making. Wikipedia has now turned 18, so should act like as adult, as well as being treated like one. The Web itself turns 30 some time between March and November this year, per Tim Berners-Lee. If the Knowledge Graph by Google exemplifies Heraclitean Web technology gaining authority, contra GIGO, Wikimedians still have a role in its critique. But not just with the teenage skill of detecting phoniness. There is more to beating Gresham than exposing the factoid and urban myth, where WP:V does do a great job. Placeholders must be detected, and working with Wikidata is a good way to understand how having one statement as data can blind us to replacing it by a more accurate one. An example that is important to open access is that, firstly, the term itself needs considerable unpacking, because just being able to read material online is a poor relation of "open"; and secondly, trying to get Creative Commons license information into Wikidata shows up issues with classes of license (such as CC-BY) standing for the actual license in major repositories. Detailed investigation shows that "everything flows" exacerbates the issue. But Wikidata can solve it. Links Wikipedia:Wikipedia Day for 18th birthday celebrations WMUK video page, with "fake news", Jimmy Wales, Wikidata and more (health warning for those with tune allergy) Why Wikipedia’s Medical Content Is Superior, Stephen Harrison, 28 January 2019, Slate Olivia Colman reveals struggle with Wikipedia over age, Naomi Gordon, 28 January 2019, harpersbazaar.com Making Wikidata visible, Martin Poulter blogpost, 24 January 2019, Bodleian Digital Library Inventory, Magnus Manske blogpost, 24 January 2019, on Wikidata tech support for an image donation by Cleveland Museum of Art If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019

Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. What is a systematic review? Systematic reviews are basic building blocks of evidence-based medicine, surveys of existing literature devoted typically to a definite question that aim to bring out scientific conclusions. They are principled in a way Wikipedians can appreciate, taking a critical view of their sources. PRISMA flow diagram for a systematic review Ben Goldacre in 2014 wrote (link below) "[...] : the "information architecture" of evidence based medicine (if you can tolerate such a phrase) is a chaotic, ad hoc, poorly connected ecosystem of legacy projects. In some respects the whole show is still run on paper, like it's the 19th century." Is there a Wikidatan in the house? Wouldn't some machine-readable content that is structured data help? File:Schittny, Facing East, 2011, Legacy Projects.jpg 2011 photograph by Bernard Schittny of the "Legacy Projects" group Most likely it would, but the arcana of systematic reviews and how they add value would still need formal handling. The PRISMA standard dates from 2009, with an update started in 2018. The concerns there include the corpus of papers used: how selected and filtered? Now that Wikidata has a 20.9 million item bibliography, one can at least pose questions. Each systematic review is a tagging opportunity for a bibliography. Could that tagging be reproduced by a query, in principle? Can it even be second-guessed by a query (i.e. simulated by a protocol which translates into SPARQL)? Homing in on the arcana, do the inclusion and filtering criteria translate into metadata? At some level they must, but are these metadata explicitly expressed in the articles themselves? The answer to that is surely "no" at this point, but can TDM find them? Again "no", right now. Automatic identification doesn't just happen. Actually these questions lack originality. It should be noted though that WP:MEDRS, the reliable sources guideline used here for health information, hinges on the assumption that the usefully systematic reviews of biomedical literature can be recognised. Its nutshell summary, normally the part of a guideline with the highest density of common sense, allows literature reviews in general validity, but WP:MEDASSESS qualifies that indication heavily. Process wonkery about systematic reviews definitely has merit. Links Evidence-Based Practice: Appraise, resources page from Duke University Medical Library & Archives. What should Cochrane do next?, Bad Science blogpost 5 November 2014, Ben Goldacre. Cambridge (UK) Science Festival event, How do scientific discoveries become clinical medicine?, ScienceSource workshop for ContentMine 23 March 2019, with systematic review process diagram. Also on Eventbrite for tickets, taking place in Makespace, 16 Mill Lane. PROSPERO database of PRISMA, for registration of systematic review protocols. Process wonkery thread, wikien-l mailing list, September 2006. Meta-Analysis, xkcd cartoon. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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Please participate to the talk pages consultation

Hello

Our team at the Wikimedia Foundation is working on a project to improve the ease-of-use and productivity of wiki talk pages. As a Teahouse host, I can imagine you’ve run into challenges explaining talk pages to first-time participants.

We want all contributors to be able to talk to each other on the wikis – to ask questions, to resolve differences, to organize projects and to make decisions. Communication is essential for the depth and quality of our content, and the health of our communities. We're currently leading a global consultation on how to improve talk pages, and we're looking for people that can report on their experiences using (or helping other people to use) wiki talk pages. We'd like to invite you to participate in the consultation, and invite new users to join too.

We thank you in advance for your participation and your help.

Trizek (WMF), 08:37, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

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Sorry for the inconvenience, Trizek (WMF), 08:48, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi. @Trizek (WMF):. No inconvenience. The last time I replied to a call from Wikipedia in answer to a banner on English Wikipedia notifying me of this initiative, I took the simple attitude that if you want to know what people think of something you can always just ask them. I therefore suggested a feedback function. I spent a minimal amount of time thinking about it, made some screenshots and then, after a discussion at meta, decided along with a user named "I JethroBT (WMF)" to get feedback at the village pump. It wasn't much time out of my day, and probably wasn't a very sophisticated idea or the best approach at proposing it, but it seemed like a reasonable cause, so I threw it out there.

Responses at the village pump included terms such as bat shit crazy; “grossly” or “wildly” inaccurate and other responses, which if they'd been delivered over the table in real life, I'd have considered to be violently provocative. The suggestion I offered was not taken as a idea but as an overbearing imposition and the attitude toward it was apparently related to friction between the WMF and English Wikipedia, of which I was previously unaware.

The topic then continued on the talk page of an editor who called into question my motivation for being here at English Wikipeida, further lumped on "sneering" and "obnoxious" to the list of personal attacks, deemed my suggestion (and my replies to the torrent of abuse) to be an unwarranted imposition of my ideas on Wikipedia - and lastly, scoured fm-labs, making the judgement that my list of contributions were a "red flag". (I'm relatively inactive at present, but by and large, I have definitely been reverting some white washing on fringe articles, made by proponents of alt-med scams and racist viewpoints).

The quote I received to the proposal of my idea, which sums up the attitude I encountered is: "you come to us effectively saying "Hey, I know I have less experience with Wikipedia than any one of you, but I'm here to tell you that you've been doing it wrong for eighteen years!". For the record, I was throwing an idea out and regard nobody's experience to be any more or less valid, for the simple reason that I have no idea who is experienced and who isn't.

The experience was actually shaking. I'm not exaggerating. I experienced mild palpitations, dizziness, embarrassment, shame and a general sense of not being wanted (which might possibly be the case). All I've done here since I signed up is get to grips with some of the tools, check out the UI, revert a bit of vandalism and snoop about a bit, perhaps as a way of checking out something to do if I ever retire or discover a field of interest I like. I've also done some off-wiki work to get female Chinese students interested in building the English Encyclopedia. I think I've been a net gain for the project, but that's not for me to decide. I'm not generally an overly dramatic person, but my experience in this last case was fucking horrible. Since then I've taken a step back and also questioned the positive values I was beginning to form about the project.

I'm sure its a phase and I will get back into things eventually, but you'll forgive me if I'm a little reluctant to answer further calls for suggestions from WMF. I think (I'm not sure) that the fact that I received such a harsh reaction is because there is unresolved friction between English Wikipedia and the WMF. I have no idea from where this stems. I simply saw people make mention of it while conversing on the above subject. Perhaps resolution of these difficulties is a necessary first step before attempting to solicit ideas from new users, with a view to preventing situations such as the one I encountered.

Many thanks.

Elliott. Edaham (talk) 11:38, 11 March 2019 (UTC)