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TheTimesAreAChanging

TheTimesAreAChanging is indefinitely topic-banned from the WP:ARBAPDS topic area (post-1932 U.S. politics and closely related people), and may appeal this restriction after six months have passed. Sandstein 10:04, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

Request concerning TheTimesAreAChanging

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Casprings (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 04:36, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: TheTimesAreAChanging (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2 :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

User:TheTimesAreAChanging has a history of attacking user:SPECIFICO with WP:AGF and WP:Pointy at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_United_States_election_interference_by_Russia [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]

I approached him and asked him to stop dealing with user conduct [10] on an article talk page. He acknowledged my comment and stated that he would take issues with SPECIFICO to WP:AE. [11] However, he continues to attack users on the talk page. [12] [13] [14] [15]

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

[16] User admonished and strongly warned

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Pervious admonishment and warning at WP:AE. [17]

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

He also maintains a list about SPECIFICO in his sandbox, here which, in my opinion, is a little unhinged.

Laser_brain, Sections like this seem, at least to me, to be going after users. This. to me, seems like WP:Battleground. It is also something other users have approached him about. That said, if I am misinterpreting this, my apologies to both the admins and to TheTimesAreAChanging. Casprings (talk) 17:10, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
First my general apologies for the lack of quality of this report. If I ever come back here again, I will certainly take more time to put together a better report. I lack the time to add much now, but if this remains open I will add more. Second, to TParis, I do not believe it is accurate to state the editor is "outnumbered". A look on the talk page of multiple articles in the subject area of American Politics will domonstrat a large number of conservative editors.Casprings (talk) 02:51, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[18]

Discussion concerning TheTimesAreAChanging

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by TheTimesAreAChanging

Casprings also maintains a list about TheTimesAreAChanging in his sandbox, here which, in my opinion, is a little unhinged.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:52, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Editors are complaining that the above comment is too snarky and that the two sandboxes are not really comparable. I thought my point was obvious, but I guess I need to spell it out: Like Casprings, I am using my sandbox to compile evidence of misconduct against another user. I could have used Word instead, but I considered that presenting the diffs publicly would enable other editors to comment on and add to the list, if any deigned to do so. Unlike Casprings, I am not going to file any complaint without first compiling substantial documentation. (Not sure how that reflects badly on me.) If it must go, so be it.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:37, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

With regard to Casprings "evidence," I will only point out that diff number eight is just me responding to SPECIFICO hatting one of my comments with the patronizing message "Talk page is for article improvement" by unhatting it and explaining why it is relevant. I opened my reply to SPECIFICO with "SPECIFICO, we already know 'talk page is for article improvement.'" That's an egregious personal attack? (Nor am I the only one to find SPECIFICO's "constant attempts to police the discourse ... tiresome.")TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:37, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I've never violated 1RR on any article related to American Politics; this has already been explained to SPECIFICO numerous times, but that user has a pattern of "misguided...at best" distortions of my edits (and has been topic banned twice for routinely misrepresenting sources). Since SPECIFICO does not even pretend to offer any "evidence" to support the smear, I remind users that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:39, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Sandstein: If I were really incapable of editing neutrally, there would be evidence presented to that affect. All you are saying is that editors should not openly disclose any biases they may have, or it will be used against them when they are confronted with an otherwise frivolous AE report. Although I have been called a Right-wing, anti-Communist, pro-Israeli, possibly CIA-sponsored propagandist, it is not hard to find edits I have made that undermine my own alleged POV: [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], ect. I have been here for many years, and will put my history of neutral and encyclopedic editing up against anyone else's—particularly that of, say, Volunteer Marek, whose anti-Russian POV-pushing is surely a matter of record to everyone here, whether they pretend not to notice it or otherwise. Nor did anyone find my behavior particularly "disruptive" until a couple of months ago: DS are simply being gamed to further Wikipedia's WP:SYSTEMICBIAS and censor those that dare to point it out; this recent thread is a case in point. The sole evidence of my "disruption" is that I support treating the U.S. government like every other government, rather than as infallible and omnipotent.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 22:42, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Georgewilliamherbert: MPants at work just told me to "Shut your stupid pie hole." Seems like a much more direct personal attack than any I am alleged to have made. If calling out editors for misrepresenting sources is a personal attack, Volunteer Marek would be long-indeffed for stuff like this. But it seems pretty clear rules don't apply to him.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 22:42, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@RegentsPark: Volunteer Marek recently dedicated an entire subsection—titled "It's EtienneDolet June 2016 vs EtienneDolet December 2016"—at Talk:Battle of Aleppo (2012–16) to criticizing User:EtienneDolet. In that section, Volunteer Marek wrote:

So, can you provide a coherent explanation for why in April you fanatically tried to remove SOHR from one article, and now you insist on it being in this one? ... I said this was funny. It's actually not. It's sad and disruptive and pretty clear evidence of simple WP:POVPUSH and WP:ADVOCACY. ... I'm asking you to provide an explanation for how you edit content, which doesn't lead to conclusion that your editing is just a WP:ADVOCACY and WP:POVPUSH. Because, as I've laid it out very clearly above, right now it's sort of hard to escape that conclusion. ... Criticisms [sic] is not a personal attack.

In my experience, Volunteer Marek routinely engages in that sort of personal attack and makes widespread use of curse words, but reports against him are invariably deemed frivolous and WP:BOOMERANG. Having friends in high places appears to make a very big difference, indeed.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:02, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Peacemaker67: Out of curiosity, which specific edits to AP2 articles following the last AE report (as opposed to old userpage edits) changed your mind?TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:02, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@SPECIFICO: just misrepresented another diff. My very best wishes advised me to stop editing American Politics articles for a month, but there was nothing in Dennis Brown's "warning" to suggest that I was expected to self-censor from certain topics for a month. Therefore, I rejected MVBW's advice, explaining: "I'll never voluntarily (emphasis added) censor myself from editing on any topic." In SPECIFICO's account, this transforms into "TTAC vows that he will not heed any warning," which bears no resemblance to my original comment. Admins should keep this in mind when evaluating the veracity of SPECIFICO's undocumented smears, as well as my so-called "personal attacks" (i.e., pointing out that this user frequently cites sources and diffs that do not support their claims, whether on purpose or otherwise).TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 15:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by MjolnirPants

I saw this, and wasn't going to comment, until I read the above statement by the subject of this request. The statement therein is categorically false, Casprings does not "maintain a list about" the subject. The truth is that, over the course of less than one hour, Casprings composed their complaint there before posting it here. This was trivially easy to discover, except that in my experience, the subject does indeed maintain a battleground mentality, specifically over politics.

For evidence, simply look at the long right-wing political diatribe that comprises their userpage, or their guest posting to another user's page (also full of right-wing diatribes). Pay close attention to the sourcing used for that. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 15:01, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen some complaints below that the diffs don't evince bad behavior in and of themselves. So here's one in which he claims everyone who disagrees with him on this issue has horrible writing skills. It's a juvenile insult to be sure, but it's an insult nonetheless. "It is an interesting coincidence that the editors in the "Russia definitely did it, and Wikipedia should say so without attribution" camp are not merely worse writers than their opponents, but also appear to be practically allergic to even semi-decent prose..."

I have to say that I find some of the admin comments below a little disturbing... Those diffs evince an unusual, unwarranted and -frankly- disturbing level of focus on a couple of users (with one dominating that focus) for someone who purportedly has an interest in improving the article. No-one has pointed it out yet, so let me be the first to draw attention to the fact that the diffs above comprise the vast majority of TTAAC's editing on the article talk pages in recent weeks (if not the totality... I haven't checked their every edit to that page). Furthermore, this is from an editor who displays a shockingly blatant political POV. I'm a little disheartened to see the admins below basically shrugging their shoulders because this editor hasn't stooped to calling Volunteer Marek or SPECIFICO a "butthead" yet. Personally, I consider editors who focus on other editors to this extent without stooping to obvious personal attacks more damaging, due to their ability to skate through the relatively quick venues for correction like ANI or simple castigation from their peers. I would have expected admins here to pay a little more attention to the overall picture, ~~and not focus so much on the details.~~ MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 19:46, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to note a few things: TTAAC's defense of themself has been that other editors have done bad things, too; that WP is biased against him and his; that there's a cabal at work here and that he's right about -well- everything, content-wise.

TTAAC's defense from others has been that this request is poorly formatted, that it's unsubstantiated (with 0-1 carefully chosen diffs provided to 'prove' that every diff presented as evidence is bullshit), that it's sad that a conservative editor is facing sanctions (not sure how that's a defense, but ok), or that other editors have done bad things, too.

Compared to that, the 'prosecution' in this case consists of a userpage chock full of BLP violations, several diffs of harassment, a handful of personal attacks and a broad history of battleground behavior. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 13:53, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by My very best wishes

If anyone disagree with specific edits (and believes this is misinterpreting a source), he should discuss these edits, not the contributor. This is WP:NPA, 101. Telling on article talk page that "User X has repeatedly fabricated sources to push their POV in this article", that the same user "has been topic banned twice for misrepresenting sources and POV-pushing" and that another user Y "has intentionally reinserted errors into the article" [29] was clearly not about content, but about contributors.

Why? Was it done on purpose? Was it done by mistake? Was it something normal to continue in the future? This is something to be clarified in reply by TTAAC. Or perhaps this is problem with other contributors, exactly as TTAAC tells here? If so, I think TTAAC should provide some diffs to prove it. My very best wishes (talk) 17:45, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Based on responses by TTAAC so far, he will continue doing the same. He did not admit that blaming other contributors on article talk pages was wrong, but instead brought irrelevant accusations on this noticeboard. And this is even after receiving very last warning by Dennis on AE.

P.S. Clearly, many diffs showing misbehavior by TTAAC were provided by several contributors. Telling otherwise is beyond belief. My very best wishes (talk) 13:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by SPECIFICO

@Sandstein: There's much more evidence than Casprings initially presented. Some of it was posted on the previous AE thread that @MelanieN: brought here last month. May I ask Admins to review the links cited in that thread, or would you prefer that I copy some of the diffs to the current thread?

After Dennis Brown gave TTAAC the ultimate warning in that thread, TTAAC continued his gratuitous and false personal attacks on various editors He continued to disparage mainstream RS references for the articles under DS while continuing his advocacy of his personal political opinions. I can gather some diffs if that will be helpful, but that may take a day or two. One of the problems with TTAAC's participation is that he misrepresents the substance of links and cherrypicks quotes of other editors snipping a few words that he embellishes with false and misleading accusations and aspersions. There was one example yesterday after TTAAC left the tu quoque counterpunch at Casprings here. See this pointless disparagement of @Volunteer Marek: whom TTAAC has repeatedly attacked and harassed. SPECIFICO talk 20:07, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Sandstein: I understand, thanks. I hope that others will join me in presenting any evidence they feel is relevant beginning after the bright line warning from Dennis Brown on December 12. SPECIFICO talk 21:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here are a few of the diffs after Dennis Brown's warning:
TTAAC repeatedly posted hostile and ad hominem edit comments: [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36]
The following two have no diffs because the comments were apparently rev-del’d
• 22:43, 6 January 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+1,247)‎ . . Talk:2016 United States election interference by Russia ‎ (Since SPECIFICO evidently doesn't take their own editing seriously, there is no reason for anyone else to.)
• 22:20, 7 January 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+2,296)‎ . . Talk:2016 United States election interference by Russia ‎ (→‎SPECIFICO fabricates YET ANOTHER citation: new section)

Here he derogates the restrictions of DS/ARBAP2: [37]
Battleground vs. @Volunteer Marek:: [38] [39] [40]
Battleground vs. @Bob K31416:: [41]
Battleground vs. SPECIFICO: [42] [43] [44] [45]
Soapbox derogation of mainstream sources: [46]
Frivolous AE complaint vs. SPECIFICO: [47]

There were also at least one 1RR violation and several violations of the DS requirement to seek talk page consensus before reinserting challenged content. To be continued. SPECIFICO talk 00:12, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This just in... Further disparagement of Volunteer Marek. SPECIFICO talk 01:40, 10 January 2017 (UTC) My turn now! Reply when @My very best wishes: points out that the TTAAC's disparagements of me on his "SPECIFICO fan page" are false. SPECIFICO talk 01:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@My very best wishes: reminds TTAAC that he is violating Dennis Brown's warning at TTAAC's last AE appearance. "Did not you see the warning Dennis gave you during closing of the AE request about you just a few days ago? After that you suppose not to edit any hot subjects related to US elections during at least a month and stay away of any users you was in a conflict." In response, TTAC vows that he will not heed any warning: [48]. SPECIFICO talk 14:30, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by NewsAndEventsGuy

Admins so far may be applying wrong policy. When the arbs set aside the original remedy statement, they replaced it with standard DS, which in turn requires compliance with several policies and among these is the policy for WP:Dispute resolution. The diffs in the complaint violate that policy because they address editor behavior and they appear at article talk. There is nothing in the DR policy that makes exceptions for behavioral commentary if it is phrased to not grab us by the short hairs. Under the DR policy, faiulure to WP:FOC is failure to WP:FOC. In my view we should be working harder against low level in civility and battle attitude, and that would go a mighty long way toward ed retention and diversity. Instead the de facto policy tends to create an evolutionary pressure in which only the tough skinned survive, at least on controversial articles. That's toxic in the long term, IMO. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:22, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by MelanieN

I would just like to remind admins of the stern "this is your last chance" warning given in the closure of the last such AE report: "TheTimesAreAChanging is admonished and strongly warned that there is a reason why articles on American Politics are under Arb restriction. You are at the edge of getting topic banned or blocked. I would remind you that Arb restricted areas have little rope and you just used yours up. Discuss before reverting when you know it is going to be contentious. Being "right" is meaningless here, everyone thinks they are right. Unquestionably, if the problematic behavior continues, you will be topic banned, so I hope you use this one last chance wisely. If you want to argue about what NPOV or other policies demand, fine, do so using the talk page and not the revert button. There isn't a consensus and the interest has cooled down, so I'm taking this action to end this, using the least amount of force. Don't get used to it. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 00:28, 12 December 2016 (UTC)" "Last chance" ought to mean something. The behavior documented this time is not 1RR violations or typical AE issues; rather it is long-term stalking, hounding, and harassment of certain users, a persistent battleground mentality. If nobody else is bothered by this, I am. --MelanieN (talk) 20:37, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment in response to SPECIFICO's diffs: the two that were not visible were part of a long series of several dozen edits that were not just revdel'ed - they were oversighted, so even admins can't see them. TTAAT's edits were somewhere in the middle of the series so the oversighting almost certainly had nothing to do with TTAAT's edits. --MelanieN (talk) 00:21, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the thoughtful responses from several of you. If I am hearing you right, this board is not designed for long-term problems or for issues unrelated to ArbCom sanctions. Is that right? So for a long-term problem like a pattern of stalking and harrassment, something like AN would be the only appropriate venue? --MelanieN (talk) 00:24, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused about what I'm supposed to do here. TParis is asking me to "back up my claims", that is, to provide evidence of a longterm pattern of stalking, hounding, and harassment of two editors - Volunteer Marek and SPECIFICO. TP is basically asking me to present a full AN case which would go back years (till 2012 by TTAAC's account [49]). On the other hand Sandstein is saying, don't present any diffs that predate Dennis' warning (December 12). I'm pretty sure most admins here do not want a full AN-type report. Short of that, I think the evidence presented by Casprings, while not presented in the usual format for AE, does show many examples of battleground behavior, especially the sandbox listing TTAAC's complaints against SPECIFICO [50] Harassing behavior toward these two editors? Notice the edit summaries when he is reverting SPECIFICO [51] or Volunteer Marek [52]. Examples of hounding? In a discussion on his own talk page with another editor about an unrelated matter, TTAAC pinged Volunteer Marek by referring to him as "Wikipedia's whitewasher-in-chief". [53] In December TTAAC filed an AE complaint against SPECIFICO which was closed as "no violation has occurred".[54] These are just a few samples but they might provide some sense of what I am talking about. --MelanieN (talk) 05:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by TParis

@Uninvolved admins: Thank you for taking my concerns regarding the broader issues seriously. I appreciate being heard and I'll tone down my rhetoric.

@MelanieN: What "last chance" certainly does not mean is that any spurious claim of misconduct will result in a block. Those asking for sanctions messed the 'last chance' up, not the reviewing uninvolved admins.--v/r - T P 20:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MastCell and CIreland: Do you want to know what I find disappointing? There is weak almost non-existant evidence on this report. MelanieN has followed that up with some claims of harassment and poisoned the well. This board is exactly not for unsubstantiated claims. We have WP:ASPERSIONS for a reason and this is it. It's because when people repeat claims of bad behavior enough times, without evidence, eventually others start believing in them. Unless MelanieN backs up her claims, they should be removed. And unless they are backed up, this AE should be swiftly closed before the allegations are allowed to spread like an out of control rumor. You two have already demonstrated how easily they take hold.--v/r - T P 02:12, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@CIreland: I tried, but I just can't go without addressing your comment. You said "it is only a matter of time before someone loses patience and makes a sufficiently ill-considered retort...." But your concern only appears to be editors on one side of this dispute losing their patience. Have you considered that TTAAC is so outnumbered and targeted in this topic area that they are the one being pushed, losing their patience, and making ill-considered retorts? You certainly didn't. Why?--v/r - T P 02:18, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@CIreland: There is no evidence here against TTAAC. Why are you asking for evidence against others but you're taking the claims of one side at face value? Have you read the evidence at all? I reviewed some of SPECIFICO's diffs, you can read my analysis on my talk page. I'll remind you that MelanieN has posted no evidence of harassment or stalking - merely allegations. Have you asked her for evidence or are you relying on your recollection of past allegations of harassment and stalking to support todays?--v/r - T P 02:56, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Casprings: There are a large number of conservative editors that are unwilling to get protracted in disputes or to really defend their points of view because of the attitude on this project towards Conservative editors. I know because I'm one of them.--v/r - T P 03:02, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Volunteer Marek: None of your diffs pertain to the editor's behavior in the topic of American Politics. No recent evidence of poor behavior has been presented. This has all been smoke and mirrors and the four of you should be sanctioned for trying to game AE to perpetuate a dispute. If you have a problem with TTAAC's user page, which you rightly do, then bring it up in the appropriate forums. But, ARBAP is not the venue for your complaint. Please present evidence relevant to American political articles.--v/r - T P 05:37, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Volunteer Marek: You can look at my analysis of SPECIFICO's diffs on my user page. I'll refer you to the uninvolved admins analysis of Caspring's diffs. And I'll point out that MelanieN has not provided any diffs - only accusations. The evidence is weak. A lot of mud slinging. As I already said, you lot screwed up Dennis' 'last chance' warning by bringing this AE complaint without a solid complaint. Now you're scrambling to put something together. That should be transparent to the uninvolved admins in the result section.--v/r - T P 06:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Sandstein: His user page is not within the topic area.--04:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@ Unvinvolved Admins: It's really sad to see that when the case produced nothing, editors simply threw every piece of mud outside the topic area at it that they could until the tide turned. Really really sad.--v/r - T P 04:55, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MelanieN: Going through your diffs.
1. So SPECIFICO and TTAAC have had problems for years. I don't see you holding SPECIFICO accountable for any of it. Whats your point with this diff?
2. Using a userpage to collect evidence for dispute resolution is allowed per the user pages policy. No policy violations have occured here. That page is a few months old. At this point I'd tell TTAAC to either shit or get off the pot.
3. Specifico has been accused of misrepresenting sources before, according to TTAAC. I've see some samples already. Yeah, the edit summary is a bit dickish and that's about the extent of your evidence. One diskish edit summary.
4. It is common for editors to "Revert POV pushing undue OR in lead". There is no personal attack here.
5. Two dickish comments, now. That's your evidence.
6. What's your point? You've filed a case against TTAAC that resulted in no action. Are you now saying you're hounding and stalking TTAAC? Evidence is so weak compared to the accusations. WP:ASPERSIONS applies big time here.--v/r - T P 05:08, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@ Uninvolved Admins: For the record, TTAAC has cleansed their userpage of the material.--v/r - T P 05:12, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Volunteer Marek: Like I said, I'm not going to fall on my sword for him, here. I'll call out what I think is thin evidence, and I'll tell him to knock off some of his BS. But, I'm not going to beg the community to give him another chance. And yes, I am keeping my distance from him intentionally. I know what shaky ground he' on already.--v/r - T P 00:16, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Volunteer Marek

There's a lot that could be diff'ed here. Plenty to choose from. Every other comment TTAAC makes is some kind of battleground - others have already provided the diffs. Which is not surprising given the long rants on their user page which pretty clearly illustrate that the user is WP:NOTHERE. But let me just focus on one thing - BLP.

Here is TTAAC's user page from 01/04/17. Note the following BLP violations:

- " Anita Sarkeesian does not really care about video games "objectifying" women—dumpy girls just happen to feel much more threatened by hotties than dumpy guys feel threatened by hunks, hence the need to lower all standards of female attractiveness to the lowest common denominator"' - using the user page to disparage a living person (both in terms of her beliefs and her looks (wtf?)). Now to TTAAC's... half-credit, he did remove Sarkeesian's name after I brought this up on their talk page, although he couldn't resist making a personal attack in the edit summary.

- "Ana Kasparian, who previously called for re-admitting AIDs blood into the blood supply as the Left's next ideological purity test" - this is a striaght up smear of a living person (she did no such thing) and I can't believe that this was allowed to stay on his user page for so long. After even more prodding he did eventually remove it.

Now, there's still a bunch left.

- "I feel like ... I'm fucking better than you. Much better than you. You are garbage. You can call me a Social Justice Warrior. I don't give a shit. ... You're deplorable. You are a piece of shit. I have no respect for women who voted for Trump. I think you're fucking dumb."—Ana Kasparian, - this is a misquotation of the subjects. It pulls out part of three different quotes, out of context and "stitches" them together to make it seem like Kasparian was saying something ("I'm better than women who voted for Trump who are dumb pieces of shit"), which she was not. For example, the "You are garbage" quote is actually Kasparian talking about "people who take joy in attacking others who are defenseless" and those who "have no emotion when they see people shot and killed", not "women who voted for Trump". This is straight up lying about a living person and using a Wikipedia page to do so. He still hasn't removed this. (nota bene - this misquotation was made into a meme which is being passed around far-right social media)

- "Ana Kasparian, who previously (...) Leftists really are horrible, hate-filled people.". Now, he did remove the bullshit about Kasparian wanting to "readmit AIDS into the blood supply" but left the part in about "Leftist". It's the sentence which immediately follows the one about Kasparian. The obvious implication is that Kasparian is one of these "horrible, hate-filled people". So more disparaging of living persons.

- "Female supremacist Jessica Valenti..." (yes, describing a living person derogatorily as "female supremacist" is a BLP vio)

There's probably a few other BLP vios in those rants though I'm not familiar with the other subjects and don't really feel like going to the trouble of verifying whether TAACC is quoting them properly or smearing them like he does with others.

This crap needs to be removed. And it illustrates crystal clear that this editor is here for WP:ADVOCACY, WP:BATTLEGROUND but WP:NOTHERE to build an encyclopedia. Hence previous AE warning, hence all this trouble.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:30, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

TP, Trump? Young Turks? Of course this has everything to do with American Politics.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:46, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And how is this not recent? It's from a discussion from last two days. And the diffs presented by others, like MelanieN, SPECIFICO, the original filer - they're all from the past few days. What are you talking about? Or do you just think that blatantly denying the obvious will work as an obstructionist tactic? Speaking of "gaming"... Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:48, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

TP, I see SIX diffs in Melanie's statement, four of them of recent vintage. Again, not clear on what you're talking about.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:11, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@TParis - "Uninvolved Admins: For the record, TTAAC has cleansed their userpage of the material" - ummm, sort of. I mean, it's a good thing it's gone but it's pretty clear TTAAC can't help himself since he put up that big bold text in the page which says [55]:

Certain editors were so triggered by the previous version of this user page that they threatened to block me if it wasn't deleted.

So... it's still the same ol' battleground Times. Just removing some stuff to squeak out of a ban, not because he thinks he did anything wrong.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:26, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by D.Creish

This advice was recently given by an administrator to a conservative editor:

I've also looked over your editing history, and note that you have a distinct focus on Trump-related articles and topics, and often find yourself at odds with other editors, including making comments on political views, bias, etc. I strongly advise you step back from political articles and work in other areas of the encyclopedia after the block has expired; should you continue on your current path, further issues may continue to crop up. [1]

How many non-conservative editors commenting in this request alone fit that description and continue to edit without obstruction or dissuasion? The problem isn't their behavior - we can count on an influx of misbehaving editors - it's the inability or unwillingness of the community system to address them, even at times protecting them. A line exists beyond which, should the pattern be sufficiently clear and pervasive, a case could be made for political advocacy. [56]

We'd do well to stay far from that line.

I note VM is once again at AE. What's the old saying - "if you run into a problem editor in the morning..." D.Creish (talk) 01:32, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by JFG

This is a frivolous request about legitimate talk page discussion on content disputes, no action is warranted. Please note that the previous AE request by MelanieN against TheTimesAreAChanging was also ruled a content dispute. In one of the diffs levied against the accused editor, they were in fact removing BLPVIO material in conformity with prior consensus at Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 20#Rape lawsuit. The disputed content had been added in violation of longstanding consensus: the complaint came in November as this fake rape lawsuit against Donald Trump had been deemed irrelevant after examining sources back in July. Therefore, any influence of the prior "stern warning" against TTACC should be attenuated, even if there were anything substantial to complain about today on this board.

I have no strong opinion on the behaviour issues levied either by TTAAC or against them, other than saying that many editors behave abrasively and this is the wrong forum to address any complaints in this regard. — JFG ^talk 03:30, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by GoldenRing

I have to side with TParis here and say that the complaint is not only badly formatted but extremely thin. When diffs like this are being presented as personal attacks, I think you need to stop and think about what's going on.

I won't say TTAAC is blameles, but I do think describing it as 'several standard deviations' outside the norm is overdramatic. I'd consider it not statistically significant. If it weren't for the previous warning, I'd be saying drop this and move on. My take on his behaviour is that this is someone who just gets slightly overheated in debate. If, in view of the warning, admins feel that his attitude still needs slight recalibration, would a short topic ban (say 14 days) do the trick? GoldenRing (talk) 12:21, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning TheTimesAreAChanging

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

I agree with MjolnirPants that TTAAC's so far only comment on this request makes a bad impression.[57] TheTimesAreAChanging, due diligence would have been to look at the history of Caspring's sandbox for one minute first. Were you too pleased by an opportunity for a quick cheap "quoting" gibe to do that, on the principle of "never check a good story", or what? Anyway, it's surprising to see it on a board where you know the idea is for admins to evaluate your demeanour and interactions on Wikipedia. Bishonen | talk 16:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC).[reply]
(EC) I'm not impressed by the silly comment on this filing by TheTimesAreAChanging, but I'm having a difficult time seeing anything in the diffs provided (three of the four of which point to the same comment) that's not the everyday red-faced bickering we see in this topic area. As TParis mentioned last time we were here, editors need to be able express dissenting opinions without being dragged to noticeboards. I don't see any egregious personal attacks unless I'm really missing something. Casprings, I think you are somewhat off-base in our interpretation of discussing "user conduct" and what you're requesting of the subject. If TheTimesAreAChangingfeels that someone is misrepresenting a source, they absolutely should discuss it on the article talk page to get other opinions. --Laser brain (talk) 16:49, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MelanieN: I empathize, and I'm fully aware of Dennis Brown's previous warning. What I think most of us are saying is that the report is weak. I don't see anything in the diffs presented that remotely resemble "long-term stalking, hounding, and harassment". WP:AE is not an investigative service—reports should concisely outline why the subject should be sanctioned, and this report fails to do that. A lot of reports here lately amount to "I'm telling on you" and it's reduced the efficiency and efficacy of the board. --Laser brain (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
On further investigation and review of information provided, I'm in favor of an indefinite topic ban that may be appealed after six months. --Laser brain (talk) 04:45, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Laser brain that this seems like a weak case. Most of the diffs listed under Specifico attacks are not really attacks and the four diffs listed after "continues to attack" are actually one diff and is not beyond the bounds of heated discourse. At best, I'd suggest that the editor tone down the questioning of the competence of other editors and focus more on discussing content. The stuff in the sandbox [58] is, however, troublesome and, perhaps, needs explanation or needs to go. --regentspark (comment) 17:57, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I must say that the comments about Volunteer Marek [59], made as they are when this AE report is open, are not an encouraging sign. And the continual insistence that other editors are incompetent is not promising either. Throw the sandbox page, which I note is still up, into the mix and I guess a TBAN is, after all, a good idea. Support TBAN. --regentspark (comment) 22:37, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I broadly agree with the above admins that, while TheTimesAreAChanging's comments here reflect poorly on them, the complaint does not make sufficiently clear (and it is also not clear at a glance) how the diffs at issue are "attacks" in the sense of actionable misconduct. I would therefore take no action. Sandstein 18:27, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

SPECIFICO: I'm not interested in reviewing diffs already reviewed in a previous request. They have presumably been addressed (or not, as was appropriate) as needed then. Sandstein 21:18, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
MelanieN: I am taking your concerns seriously, but AE is by its nature not very good at evaluating longterm conduct patterns (unless they are very well documented in a request, which is rare and certainly not the case here). We can and do take into account repeat misconduct, but we do need an instance of misconduct in this specific case to trigger sanctions. I'm not saying that it is necessarily not present here, only that if it is, the request does a very poor job of establishing it. Just a long string of diffs is pretty much worthless to me, personally, at least. I expect something in the vein of "at [diff] on [date], [user] says "[quote]" which is [type of misconduct] because [reason]". The request template actually sets that up. Sandstein 21:28, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Hitchens stuff in the sandbox does reflect extremely badly upon TTTAAC - it's simply not acceptable in any shape or form - and needs to go (I will remove it when this request is closed). In the meantime, TTTAAC needs to seriously tone down the rhetoric or I strongly suspect a third appearance here will indeed result in sanctions. Black Kite (talk) 00:39, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also to add, given the below, that I would not disagree with a sanction being applied now, either. Black Kite (talk) 22:32, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree with the admins commenting above. It is wholly unreasonable to ask the targets of such antagonistic and provocative comments to simply smile sweetly and carry on a productive discourse with this user. In an already contentious area, the tenor of the remarks in the diffs supplied surely make consensus building impossible. Moreover, it is only a matter of time before someone loses patience and makes a sufficiently ill-considered retort that lands them here, forcing admins' hands. Perhaps that is the intent behind the provocation. Regardless, TTAAC's approach to debate is intolerable and I am advocating a 6 month topic ban. CIreland (talk) 01:02, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@TParis: Because nobody has presented any diffs of such. If you have evidence of similar persistent patterns of behaviour by others, you should present them or file a separate report. Given, however, that my perspective on the matter seems to be in the minority, if you do present such evidence I don't see how I could offer much more than a sympathetic ear. CIreland (talk) 02:50, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@TParis: I am not taking anybody's claims at face-value. I looked at Casprings' diffs and formed my own judgement. Then I looked at other people's diffs and had that judgement reinforced. I've been around long enough to know to treat the commentary presented alongside the diffs with maximum caution if not outright scepticism. It's the nature of AE that, even if it's unfair to do so, one has to assume everything above the results heading may be highly partisan and only draw conclusions based on the diffs themselves. "Face-value" would be a ridiculous approach. CIreland (talk) 03:29, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This report is weak, as others have already mentioned, and the multiple diffs to the same edit is poor form at best. However, this report (and TTAAC's comments here) does contribute to the mounting evidence that TTAAC does not play well with others in this area, and engages in unhelpful baiting and provocation of other editors which does not contribute to the encyclopaedia. I strongly recommend TTAAC restricts their comments to content, not editors. I get the sense here that a better formulated report could well have resulted in sanctions. I appreciate Dennis Brown's warning appeared to be a final one, but like Black Kite, I think the next time TTAAC is brought here (assuming a properly drawn up report with some meat on it) there is a good chance that a TBAN will follow. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:19, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Given the additional diffs provided above by several editors, and considering the observations made by other uninvolved admins, I have shifted my initial position. I consider that the weight of evidence on TTAAC's general editing behaviour on AP2 articles is now sufficient to tip the scales in terms of being sufficiently disruptive/combative/battleground-like to warrant sanctions. I am now fairly comfortable that a TBAN is justified. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:29, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm disappointed in many of the admin responses here. There seems to be a clear recognition that TTTAAC's behavior is disruptive and problematic, but also a reluctance to take action on this particular report because of complaints about its formal presentation. Look, the whole point of discretionary sanctions is to make it easier to deal with disruptive editing when it is identified. Instead, we're creating bureaucratic and procedural roadblocks that make it harder. It's pretty clear to any sensible admin (and everyone commenting in this thread is a sensible admin) that TTTACC is a combative, unhelpful, and counterproductive presence in this topic area. So how about we stop with the "final, absolutely last, no-more-chances, we-really-mean-it-this-time" warnings and actually address the problem that we all recognize, in keeping with the principle behind discretionary sanctions? I endorse what User:CIreland said; s/he has the right idea here. MastCell ^Talk 01:44, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

MastCell, I do not want to be snarky, but if you (unlike me) are convinced that it is clear that sanctions are appropriate here, then you can just go ahead and apply them rather than complain about bureaucracy. These sanctions are discretionary in that they do not need consensus or discussion, just one admin willing to pull the metaphorical trigger - or at least that's how it was when I was last active here. Well, your sanctions could be appealed, but from the comments here I don't think that there would be a consensus of admins to sustain an appeal. Sandstein 21:43, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and if it helps, after reading VolunteerMarek's statement, I'm now pretty comfortable myself with topic-banning this editor for whatever time. Wikipedia is very emphatically not a soapbox for angry political screeds, and a user who thinks that their user page is the place to fill with such (of any persuasion) is clearly somebody who should not go anywhere near divisive political topics on Wikipedia. Let them edit articles about birds or something. Sandstein 21:55, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

While good presentation helps, we are not required to reject a poorly presented request. I see enough evidence of problematic conduct to justify a topic ban (per my usual practice, I'd favor an indefinite one with appeals allowed after six months). The diffs presented as well as TTAAC's initial response in this AE paints a clear picture of combative behavior that does not belong in this already volatile topic area. It's true that "editors need to be able express dissenting opinions without being dragged to noticeboards", but it is equally important that editors need to be able to disagree without being disagreeable. The behavior here crossed that line. T. Canens (talk) 06:06, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- As an aside, TTAAC repeatedly claims that SPECIFICO "has been topic banned twice for routinely misrepresenting sources", yet I don't even see the word "misrepresent" in the applicable FoF. T. Canens (talk) 06:06, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@TParis: I read your and TTAAC's positions and back to the talk page diffs extensively. I am going to acknowledge your concern about community tendency to go against conservative viewpoints in various ways at various levels. And from what I know of say computer security and some of the primary source and secondary sources TTAAC is relying on, they are certainly making good points in the discussion there, though I disagree on the resulting conclusion. However, even in a contentious discussion on a politics page, TTAAC is a couple of standard deviations more likely to making personal attacks (which are well documented here, contrary your disagreement on that). And he's been given a final warning, after prior issues, and it's still going on. If we had a TTAAC content contributor who was no more likely than the others on the page to make personal attacks this would be a different story. But he's really standing out in the level of doing so. I don't see baiting drawing his attacks. He's making unforced errors there. It's enough that it's a problem. IMHO this is sanctionable. Someone else can and should make the content discussion input he's been doing, but he needs to stand back. It's time for a topic ban. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 22:20, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @TheTimesAreAChanging:Noted. That was blockable. Warned, and something needs to be done about it or a block will commence. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 02:01, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I just want to endorse what User:MastCell said above. There is clear evidence of problematic behaviour here and I'm disappointed that a failure to fill out the forms correctly is getting in the way of us seeing that. Support a topic ban here per the comments from those above. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 09:30, 12 January 2017 (UTC).[reply]
All right. Despite initial reluctance to act because of a poorly composed request, administrators commenting here are generally of the view that the totality of the conduct of TheTimesAreAChanging in the U.S. politics topic area – taking into account particularly the final warning in the last AE proceedings – is enough of a concern to warrant a topic ban. Specifically, TheTimesAreAChanging's conduct is considered problematic because of a generally confrontative rather than collegial approach to editing, in violation of WP:BATTLEGROUND, and misusing Wikipedia as a forum for voicing personal political opinions, in violation of WP:SOAPBOX. TheTimesAreAChanging is therefore indefinitely banned from all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people. They may appeal this restriction after six months have passed and are invited, at that time, to indicate how their approach to editing has changed with respect to the concerns voiced here, and how they have usefully contributed to articles in other topic areas. Sandstein 10:02, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz

Disruptive request. No action taken against Hullaballoo Wolfowitz. Complainant Holanthony blocked for a week for topic ban violation. Sandstein 08:52, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

Request concerning User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Holanthony (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 03:32, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[60] : An indefinite topic ban on all topics related to WP:BLP.

User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz has made frequent disruptive edits to the Wikipedia community

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

3 May 2016 Hullaballoo Wolfowitz made an edit that is a false and gross misrepresentation of the cited content.
9 January 2017 Hullaballoo Wolfowitz has wrongfully stated that the material is "unsourced" in spite of the fact that it is stated abundantly clearly in the cited source.
4 January 2017 Hullaballoo Wolfowitz is demanding that the Administrator retracts reinserting a valid article in spite of the fact that it got deleted by nomination of a sockpuppet. Single-purpose accounts showing up to support Hullaballoo Wolfowitz's prosposed deletions (or vice versa) is not an uncommon feature, such as seen here: 20 December 2014
7 January 2017 Explanation Hullaballoo Wolfowitz makes a point that information found on film data bases are unreliable due to the fact that the material is released years after they are filmed and used this as a reason to delete content. At the same time, he seems to find it reliable enough to use when it suits his purposes, such as claiming Randy Spears had acted in Ryan's Hope for a week 15 October 2016. This in spite of the fact that the subject in the original interview claimed it was for a year [61] 19 December 2016. Clearly a case of WP:OR as Hullaballoo Wolfowitz assumes fact not in evidence (remember, he said that material could be filmed and released separately from one another, what is to say that Spears had not acted on the show for a year? IF we are indeed to follow Hullaballoo Wolfowitz's argument, that is).
21 December 2016 Hullaballoo Wolfowitz has removed contet under the assumption that it comes from a certain interview in a source, even though it's origin is clearly attributed to a different RS. Clearly a case of WP:SYNTH. This is also something user:Morbidthoughts picked up on [62]
4 January 2017‎ Hullaballoo Wolfowitz has been engaged in several edit wars as of late, such as this one against User:Jakobludwigfelixmendelsshon
30 December 2016 Another edit war Hullaballoo Wolfowitz has been engaged in lately, this time against User:Captainbryce1

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

[63] Hullaballoo Wolfowitz has a previous track record of having been blocked several times on account of disruptive editing and violating WP:3RR, which raises serious concerns of questioning good faith.

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above.
Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 28 September 2016 by Bjelleklang (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above.

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Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [64]

Discussion concerning User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz

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Statement by User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz

Holanthony is retaliating, rather incoherently, for the topic ban imposed on him early today. See [65] All three of Holanthony's claims as to why I'm subject to DS in this area are quite blatantly false, but since I made the request which led to Holanthony's topic ban, it's quite fair to assume I'm aware of the discretionary sanctions. To respond briefly to Holanthony's list of my supposed transgressions:

. I (uncontroversially) removed unsourced statements from a BLP, which is BLP enforcement, and plainly does not violate BLP policy.
. I'm not sure what happened here, but I believe I meant to remove the unsourced content from the next sentence, which I have now done. Mea culpa. In any event, this should not fall under the DS.
. Holanthony asked that an AFD-deleted article be restored without going through DRV. I opposed his request. That is not a violation of any policy or guideline, anbd certainly does not fall under DS.
. This is utterly incoherent. I believe Holanthony is referring to my removal from the Randy Spears article of the claim that the performer had had a year-long role on a soap opera, where the only potentially reliable source was a citation to IMDB. IMDB, however, actually says that Spears appeared only in five episodes (in an uncredited role), airing between January 9 and January 13, 1989. Holanthony claims that characterizing this as a one-week role is forbidden original research. That's simply ridiculous.
. Holanthony added a quote from a tertiary source to a BLP. It struck me as odd, so I reviewed the tertiary source, found the secondary source, which cited the original newspaper interview. I found that online and concluded that the quoted source was not accurately representing the subject's actual statement. So I removed the quotation. Removing demonstrably inaccurate material does not violate BLP.
. The issue here is the length of a plot summary in an article on a fictional work. By no stretch of the imagination is this relevant to DS regarding BLP editing.
. Here, an editor repeatedly added an unsourced discussion of a male performer's genitalia into his BLP. I removed it, over and over. Content like that is exactly why BLP enforcement is exempt from 3RR, and for Holanthony to argue that it violates DS simply demonstrates, at best, his lack of the necessary competence to edit BLPs.

For further background, see the ANI which led to Holanthony's DS alert [66] and my draft request for imposing sanctions on Holanthony, User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz/AE evidence draft

In light of the inordinate amount of time I and other editors have had to waste in dealing with his groundless complaints, I request a one-way interaction ban to prohibit Holanthony from any further interaction with me. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 06:29, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz

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I don't see any DS warnings, prior DS sanctions, or other signs this is an AE noticeboard topic. This board is only for Arbitration case sanctions enforcement, not general behavioral issues you want to complain about. If you can't find actual discretionary sanctions or an arbcom case to list this under, please take it to the WP:ANI noticeboard rather than here. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 03:41, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah. [67] You seem to have gotten a DS sanction and are now turning around and trying to fling one on someone else? Normal users can't do that, it's an administrator function. This could be seen as disruptive editing... Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 03:44, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Commenting on the procedural aspect only: WP:NEWBLPBAN is a thing, and HW probably qualifies under the "participated in any process" clause w/r/t alerts. T. Canens (talk) 04:40, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Not actionable. The request does not name any actual ArbCom decision to be enforced, to begin with. Sandstein 05:49, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK, following Hullaballoo Wolfowitz's explanation it is clear that this is a disruptive request. Moreover, the request itself is a violation of the topic ban (by ~~Hullaballoo Wolfowitz~~ BethNaught) from BLP topics, because the request makes reference to Randy Spears, a living person. I am blocking Holanthony for a week and closing this request. Sandstein 08:49, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

JzG

Improper request, as no active Arb decision is named to be enforced. --Laser brain (talk) 14:00, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning JzG

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Karunamon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 08:38, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: JzG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: AE request 2015-01-11
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[68] - False accusations of editing behavior and sockpuppetry
[69] - Accusation of "POV editing"

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Warning as discretionary sanction:[70]

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

This dispute started with the (closed-delete) AfD on The People's Cube. I felt that JzG's behavior (including factually false and some cases incivil edit summaries, per WP:ESDONTS) were nonconstructive, at which point I posted to AN/I [71], linking extensive diffs of the behavior I considered problematic. JzG then takes this opportunity to make materially false statements about my edit history:

Accusing me of behavior on the article that were the actions of another user
Of being a "sleeper sock".

(Diff 1 above)

Neither of these statements were supported with any evidence.

I did, and still do, disagree with JzG's read of WP:SELFSOURCE, and I fully admit to adding self sourced cites to the article in question as my understanding of policy is that they are allowed in limited circumstances.

If possible, I request Checkuser evidence to confirm that I log in to no other accounts, and have not edited in any substantial way from any IP accounts. (Addresses to be provided in private, as they are shared/institutional).

JzG has been formally warned for this kind of behavior in the past. If unfounded accusations of sockpuppetry aren't uncivil, what is?

This all aside, I'd ask JzG to be admonished to slow down on his edit summaries (and in fact, it looks like someone already sorta did in late 2015). Summaries that misrepresent the content of the edits make life much more difficult, especially mid-dispute. JzG holds the mop and knows better than this.

Comment: Apparently I entered this incorrectly - where does one request enforcement of a warning as a discretionary sanction?

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[72]

Discussion concerning JzG

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Statement by JzG

The filing party already tried this at ANI where it was rejected as not actionable. The content issue is (a) out of scope and (b) moot as the article was deleted at AfD. An article was deleted, people got upset, we get that. Guy (Help!) 13:45, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by GoldenRing

I guess the article in question would have fallen under WP:ARBAP2. I make no comment on the merits of the case. GoldenRing (talk) 11:29, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning JzG

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Not actionable because the request does not name an ArbCom decision that is to be enforced. An AE thread is not an ArbCom decision. I haven't even read the rest of the request. Sandstein 09:00, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Sandstein. Close with no action, no ArbCom decision identified. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:20, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Usernamen1

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Appealing user: Usernamen1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – 06:16, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sanction being appealed: 3 month topic ban regarding Donald Trump. This edit was the cause of the topic ban according to my user talk page notice of the topic ban:

[73] This edit doesn't qualify for a topic ban because it is very civil, has a reasonable edit summary, and is the consensus version both at the present time and for over a week. The issue is not content but having good prose that is not redundant.

Administrator imposing the sanction: Bishonen (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

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Statement by Usernamen1

At one time, I edited the Donald Trump article. I soon realized it was the hotbed of combat and did not want to fight. I then made it clear that I was withdrawing from editing that article with the sole exception of improving prose and ONLY prose for the first sentence or two in the article. I discussed it in the talk page, archive 40. There was no opposition to my point. My suggested version has been stable for a week showing it is the consensus version.

The prose part concerns the beginning sentence..."Donald Trump (1946- ) is an American politician, businessman, and television personality. He is the President-elect....". That is fine. I do not advocate any particular wording. Call him a politician, call him whatever. I only concentrated on non-redundant prose. An example of redundant, bad prose is the version of last month that went along the lines of "Donald Trump (1946- ) is an American businessman, television personality, politician, and President-elect." (bold added) Some say Trump is not a politician. Some say that he is. I don't get into that fight. Say he is a politician. Then the only claim to being a politician is being President-elect. If you have two sentences, fine, prose is ok. President-elect is further detail on politician. One sentence is highly redundant, however. It would be like writing "Trump is an American businessperson and businessman."

Again, in the talk page, NOBODY wrote support that they want bad prose. Quite a few did not realize the prose error but once I explained, there was never any opposition. Sometimes, people changed the first two sentences dramatically and when someone else disagreed, they reverted it to the old, redundant way. However, for the past week, the non-redundant way has stuck. And the talk page has a few people that support good prose (commenting on my 2 sentence structure as a way to avoid redundant prose) and don't want bad, redundant prose.

For this, I am topic banned. Makes no sense. I took the peaceful road and voluntarily limited myself to only advocating good prose (and neutral on content) and only for the first 2 sentences. I made that clear roughly 3 weeks ago that I was not interested in editing the article except for prose issues and then only limited to the first 2-3 sentences of the lede. Other editors edit war and are not topic banned. If the topic ban is lifted, I intend only to occasionally mention on the talk page about good prose for the first 2 sentences if someone forgets or doesn't realize it. Please have a heart. I just want to get back to Wikipedia editing of the Boeing 717 article and other articles without the pain of having a topic ban. I even voluntarily stayed away from Wikipedia for a week (January 5-12) to prove that I have self control and keep my word (of voluntarily not editing Wikipedia for a week, sort of a mock 1 week block).

Statement by Bishonen

I don't think I need to provide diffs of Usernamen's edits to Donald Trump or to analyze them, after Melanie's and RexxS's excellent statements. But the pain caused by blocks and bans can be disproportionate to the prevention that is the intention of them. When Usernamen wrote on my page "I am truly hurt by your sanctions and the permanent mark it leaves me", I offered to withdraw the topic ban and even remove it from from the log (probably procedurally dodgy, but meh, compare WP:ROUGE), if they'd instead undertake to voluntarily abstain from editing Trump-related pages for a few months. They didn't care for my offer, see this discussion on my page, which suggests to me they really are determined to relitigate that lede sentence/s indefinitely. I'm very sorry Usernamen is upset, but in consideration of the other editors of the page, I believe the topic ban is needed. Bishonen | talk 22:22, 12 January 2017 (UTC).[reply]

Statement by JzG

I fail to see any procedural issue with the topic ban, the basis is correct, Usernamen1 edit-warred after warnings and the cited WP:FINALSTRAW diff is actually pretty bad as (a) it ignores an obvious inline comment saying "don't do this" and (b) introduces a typo.

Needless to say, the merits of the specific edit Usernamen1 seeks to excuse here are not matters for AE. As a content issue, it should be discussed on Talk and no edit made until there is consensus. AE does not litigate content disputes, it reviews sanctions, and the procedural basis for this one seems on the face of it to be sound. Guy (Help!) 14:22, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by involved editor MelanieN

I have observed Usernamen1 from the beginning of his involvement at Donald Trump and Talk:Donald Trump. His comment above correctly describes his involvement there. At first he tried to participate in the discussions, but his involvement was borderline disruptive, such as coming up with a dozen new proposals in the middle of an RfC, and none of his suggestions ever developed any support. Eventually he decided he was going to focus on one thing: the wording of the lede sentence. That sentence had been repeatedly edit-warred and heavily debated for a month or more. He decided that the problem was the one-sentence format, and that a two-sentence format would "improve prose" and "eliminate redundancy". He proposed this a couple of times at the discussions, but his proposals were ignored. He interpreted this lack of support to be consensus because "no one objected". So he inserted his version into the lede on December 27. Over the next week his version was reverted five times by five different people. Each time, he restored his version, falsely claiming "consensus" and "stable version".Dec. 29, Dec. 30, Dec. 31, Dec. 31, and Jan. 4 He actually did this twice on December 31, violating 1RR. That was not noticed at the time, so on Jan. 3 Bishonen merely gave him a warning: don't edit war, discuss on the talk page. Without following her advice, he did it again on Jan. 4, and at that point she topic banned him for three months. Since then he has pleaded with Bishonen to lift the sanction, making it very clear that the reason he wants it lifted is so that he can continue to edit-war over the lede sentence.

Discussion at the Donald Trump talk page is finally getting close to reaching consensus on that subject, and hopefully there will be a consensus version soon. The last thing that article needs is Usernamen stubbornly re-inserting his version because, even though it has gained no support, he believes it is "better prose". The very fact that he is here, pleading for access to the article, demonstrates how obsessed he is over this.--MelanieN (talk) 20:43, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I see that while I was inserting this, RexxS was inserting a much better and more complete summary of the situation. Sorry for the duplication. --MelanieN (talk) 20:44, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (involved editor 2)

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Usernamen1

The page Donald Trump is under discretionary sanctions and its talk page has a big notice in BOLD CAPS to that effect. The notice includes that injunction "Consensus required: All editors must obtain consensus on the talk page of this article before reinstating any edits that have been challenged (via reversion). If in doubt, don't make the edit."

At 06:51, 9 December 2016, Usernamen1 revised the opening sentence to remove "politician". This was reverted half-an-hour later.
At 18:59, 11 December 2016, Usernamen1 revised the opening sentence to remove "politician" again without any consensus. This was reverted by MelanieN who gave Usernamen1 a DS warning notice and took the time to explain it to Usernamen1, who argued the issue.
At 05:20, 13 December 2016, Usernamen1 again revised the opening sentence, this time to remove "television personality", despite the html comment < !--NOTE: Do not change these descriptions without consensus.-->. The edit summary was removed "television personality" which has not reached consensus. ...
At 16:21, 13 December 2016, MelanieN posted a further warning to User talk:Usernamen1 #Warning pointing out that six people had supported adding it.
At 07:07, 27 December 2016, Usernamen1 once again revised the opening sentence, this time into two sentences, on the grounds that there was "no significant objection in the talk page". This was reverted the same day.
At 04:15, 29 December 2016, Usernamen1 repeated the challenged edit, calling it the "stable version". This was reverted within 2 hours.
At 04:46, 30 December 2016, Usernamen1 again split the lead sentence, this time including a spelling mistake.
At 03:45, 31 December 2016‎, Usernamen1 repeated the edit, albeit without the spelling mistake.
At 07:34, 31 December 2016,‎ Usernamen1 again split the lead sentence, "Trying slightly different wording", with another spelling mistake.
At 04:00, 4 January 2017‎,‎ Usernamen1 again split the lead sentence, "restored to stable version per archive 40", with yet another spelling mistake.
At 09:29, 4 January 2017, after another round of warnings at User talk:Usernamen1 #Donald Trump lede sentence, Bishonen applied a 3-month topic ban under WP:AC/DS.

There has been no consensus for any of Usernamen1's revisions. I cannot even begin to understand how anyone can breach DS so regularly and remain unblocked, much less how they can possibly think they have grounds for appealing the topic ban. I predict that in 3 months and a few days, well be back here again, unless admins are prepared to do something about the time-sink that baseless appeals have become. --RexxS (talk) 20:18, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by uninvolved editor Glrx

The appeal does not understand the reason for the ban (or perhaps what consensus on controversial topics means), so lifting the ban does not make sense. Glrx (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Result of the appeal by Usernamen1

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This appeal was submitted using the request template. I've slightly reformatted it to make it clearer that this is an appeal. Waiting on a statement by the sanctioning admin Bishonen (talk · contribs). Sandstein 08:44, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Seems completely reasonable to me (the topic ban). Violating a 1RR restriction repeatedly and then violating it again after a warning that a topic ban will be imposed. Seriously? --regentspark (comment) 14:26, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Topic ban seems reasonable. Explaining how you think you're right and thus immune to the active restrictions on the page is silly. This should be closed promptly. --Laser brain (talk) 14:34, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think waiting 24 hrs for others to comment is worthwhile, but at that point I would close or support another close rejecting the appeal and keeping the topic ban in place. The diffs and editor behavior warrant the ban. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 21:33, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
TBAN seems entirely reasonable, recommend turning this appeal down. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:04, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The content of the edits aren't actually that concerning. The fact that they violated the 1RR on that page is. Decline. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 23:22, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

JoyceWood

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Request concerning JoyceWood

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Jytdog (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:47, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: JoyceWood (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Pseudoscience#Discretionary_sanctions :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Per their contribs, the user started out editing on some related things but soon homed in and became a WP:SPA for the subject of Anatole Klyosov, a Russian-born scientist who since 2008 has been creating what he calls "DNA geneaology" and characterizes as a "patriotic science" which is a version of human evolutionary genetics (including linguistics, anthropology etc as much work on the subject does) that claims for example that the human race originated in Northern Russia and that has been described by Russian scientists as "DNA demagoguery" (per BLP, refs:
- Antonova, Maria (November 29, 2016). "Putin's Great Patriotic Pseudoscience". Foreign Policy. and
- Balanovskaya, E. V.; et al. (2015-01-13). "ДНК-демагогия Анатолия Клёсова" [Anatoly Klyosov's DNA demagoguery] (in Russian). TrV-Science.)

Specific diffs in the article
- First instance of edit warring

02:23, 30 December 2016 First edit, adds inaccurate WL to Genetic genealogy and removing term "pseudoscience"
23:27, 5 January 2017 Removing term "pseudoscience"
00:02, 6 January 2017 Removing term "pseudoscience"

- Second instance of edit warring for which I warned them, as did Doug Weller here, to which the user replied that they are well aware of 3RR (diff)

03:25, 9 January 2017 Removing reference to humans originating in Russian north, tries to force in WL to Genetic genealogy, and made it less clear that Klyosov himself called his work a "patriotic science"
04:17, 9 January 2017 as above

- Third instance of edit warring, for which I again warned them:

[11:58, 12 January 2017 Removing changes agreed to on Talk page by others, with which they didn't agree, restoring version with which they also don't agree (!)
16:26, 12 January 2017 Again
16:37, 12 January 2017 Again

Per the Article revision statistics has WP:BLUDGEONed the talk page with 50650 bytes of commentary. Most of this commentary is almost incomprehensible, not based in policy or guideline or independent, reliable secondary sources but rather primary sources, OR, and personal opinion. The killer thing is that even if you work through all the BLUDGEONing, it appears that the version that JoyceWoods would have at the article is very close (even using the same sources) to what everyone else there would want. See their proposal here for example - you can see that even more clearly in this section I set up at the Talk page that shows the versions. As far as I can tell the focus of the BLUDGEONing and contorted argumentation has pretty much all been about removing the "humans originated in Northern Russia" thing and trying to downplay the description as "pseudoscience". Examples:

03:56, 6 January 2017 extremely long, incomprehensible "analysis"
11:53, 6 January 2017 Making the argument that some papers on which he is a middle author (and which are actually all letters commenting on the work of others) have been cited by others, so therefore the work he actually drove (the "patriotic science" stuff) cannot be pseudoscience. Convoluted and a huge distraction.
20:15, 6 January 2017 more of same
20:42, 6 January 2017 more of same
12:22, 7 January 2017 more of same
10:32, 10 January 2017 arguing that Klyosov did not say that humans originated in N Russia, citing papers he wrote about other things... (oy)

When I let them know that their last round of edit warring made no sense - they either agreed with the version they were restoring or they were being WP:POINTY (diff), and then told them I would be filing at AE (diff), they unilaterally launched an RfC, again with an incomprehensible argument (see their post in the discussion section) (diff) Their proposed version of course leaves out the "Northern Russia" thing. In my view this is further disruption.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

This is a user who blazed into this article with extreme passion and has just been disruptive. We get folks like this, and this is what DS are for. Between their advocacy and their weak grasp of policy I don't believe they can contribute productively on the topic of human evolutionary genetics which includes Klyosov, genetics, linguistics, and anthropology.

JoyceWood's response to Gerogewilliamherbert was par for the course. Long, incomprehensible, and in all that, didn't even approach answering the question that Gerogewilliamherbert asked, which called for a simple yes/no response. There is some language issue, but the problem is more basic than that. Jytdog (talk) 23:42, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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Discussion concerning JoyceWood

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Statement by JoyceWood

@Georgewilliamherbert: I do not agree and accept these accusations, and consider them as false in respect of my intentions and actions. I will not comment the behavior by Jytdog, however I must say that he showed lack of good faith toward me from the very beginning (i.e. since when he joined the discussion(s) on 7 January) which culminated with this AE. The case above is a cherry-picked construction in which my intention is twisted, and ignored the simultaneous development of understanding of the several topics which were raised, from content and content change, to sources and sources reliability, within these several days, from 5th to 12th January. This profound discussions, which were prolonged due to contributors mutual misunderstanding due to lack of English language or lack of concise replies or simple ignorance, as well analysis and consensus building on specific topics in several discussions (only 2 discussion sections were opened by me), enabled to make several and still on-going, but secure, editing which is according to the Wikipedian policy and principles like WP:NPOV and WP:BLP. Thus the wonderment that mine revision of the paragraph is similar and according to guideline to the one which was rashly pushed and edited in the article, although the discussion was not finished (the two "perfect" paragraph versions were not created), held RfC, and reached a consensus, something Jytdog proposed himself and everbody agreed upon. I have only constructive and neutral intentions, and begin to consider that the previously experienced warnings as well this AE, are a threat and abuse of Wikipedian policy (WP:OWN) to intentionally remove a good faith contributor from editing and discussions, in which he profoundly and constructively discussed, contributed to content change, and especially opposed and warned on the violation of Wikipedian editing principles and facts which can not be ignored due to their defamatory effect in the article. If such activity and points are of not enough validity and worth of consideration, then I have nothing else to say, but hope for reason and understanding to prevail. --JoyceWood (talk) 23:21, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning JoyceWood

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@JoyceWood:, did you read the arbitration case decision found above? Are you aware of its findings and significance? Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 21:30, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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 This is a user who blazed into this article with extreme passion and has just been disruptive.  We get folks like this, and this is what DS are for.   Between their advocacy and their weak grasp of policy I don't believe they can contribute productively on the topic of [[human evolutionary genetics]] which includes Klyosov, genetics, linguistics, and anthropology.
+* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&type=revision&diff=759747152&oldid=759744061 JoyceWood's response] to Gerogewilliamherbert was par for the course.  Long, incomprehensible, and in all that, didn't even approach answering the question that Gerogewilliamherbert asked, which called for a simple yes/no response.   There is some language issue, but the problem is more basic than that. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 23:42, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
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