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Mbz1
Mbz1 and Passionless are topic banned from all articles and pages covered by WP:ARBPIA for a period of one year. Each editor is further indefinitely interaction banned from the other across all pages. |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Mbz1
Discussion concerning Mbz1Statement by Mbz1For convenience I will repeat user:Passionless accusations and provide my responses below each of them in green color, with the links being in blue color. IMO this will make it easier to read. I will only stop at the differences that are connected to I/P conflict, but by request could provide an explanation for other differences.
Side note #1 why I call an IP tagging the article "vandalism"Below is the copy of IP post with my responses in green. This article as it is now is completely unbalanced, as it does not mention the consequences for the Palestinian villages in the vicinity.
(Exactly the same thing happened to the villages nearby the Itamar-settlement 2 weeks ago, after the Itamar killings: a whole village was under house-arrest by the Israeli army, while settlers from Itamar simply stole another 20-25 dunum of privately owned Palestinian olive groves. There is a reason why Israelis call the occupied West Bank for the "Wild West Bank"!)
After the above post at the talk page IP tagged the article that was at Main page at the moment. IP edited the talk page before, but never tagged the article. Tagging the article that is at the Main page is damaging Wikipedia's reputation. Yes, I used "vandalism" in my edit summary. Maybe it was not vandalism per say, but it was a bad faith edit, and wp:gaming
Side note#2 conduct of user:passionless"Evidences" presented for this AEAs it is seen from my comments above, lot's of "evidences" either old,either have nothing to do with I/P topics, either were collected by other users, who hounded my contributions all over, while User:passionless never bothered to check them out when he filed this AE WP:BATTLEGROUND
Bad faith AfD for the article Murder of Koby Mandell and Yosef Ishran
Edit warring on the same articlePlease see the report. The user was only warned for it, but as user:CIreland said: "I would have blocked if I had seen this first" BLP violation on the same articleThe user made this comment at Reliable sources/Noticeboard. There are many problems with the user claims, but one of the biggest problem is a violation of BLP. "I believe these books are spouting lies and cannot be used as sources for facts". In other words passionless is claiming that Barry Rubin, who is the author of one of the books, a professor at the Interdisciplinary Center (IDC) in Herzliya, Israel, the "director of the Israel-based Global Research in International Affairs Center" is "spouting lies". StrangeThis admission made by user:passionless is strange IMO. Who was that mysterious admin who advised passionless to file AE with such "evidences"? I'd like to request a full disclosure of this incident please. Topic bannedOn February 20 user:passionless was topic banned on I/P related topics. Almost at once the ban was lifted by user:Timotheus Canens. I believe now user:Timotheus Canens is ready to re-install the ban. I'd say it is about time.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:25, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Responses
So, if you could please come up with a different reason to topic ban me, it will be greatly appreciated because IMO one unfairness that was done against me should not result in the other.
--Mbz1 (talk) 17:21, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Mbz1User:Mbz1 mentions me in her comments above. I will mention that Mbz1 has emailed me twice through the Wikipedia email interface. In both cases, these emails were sent from Mbz1 to me after Mbz1 had already "banned" me from her talk page. Of course, I didn't reply at all. In addition, Mbz1 also posted on my talk page after she had already "banned" me from her talk page. Right now I am just amazed by the gall of making such a reference, under the circumstances of all that's gone on. I am resisting saying what I think for now. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:32, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
--Mbz1 (talk) 06:52, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I advocate an approach where any acquisitions made against an editor are weighed against their useful contributions. From this perspective, the AE case against Mbz1 has very little merit. While contributions on this topic are but a small fraction of her overall contributions, they are significant. Thus no sanction againts Mbz1 is warranted, beyond maybe some interaction restrictions. I have not examined Passionless's contributions from this perspective, but this AE request is a clear manisfestation of a battleground approach. - BorisG (talk) 14:53, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
@HJ Mitchell ("I would be intrigued to hear how they think their presence is beneficial to the the topic area"). Mbz1 has 20,000+ contributions and created 80 new pages. Maybe a half of them was related to Israel, but not necessarily to the "conflict". A lot of them are significant additions/improvement of content, including beautiful illustrations. Passionless has 3,000+ contributions (1,000+ in article space), and he created 2 new pages, specifically about the conflict. This is also good contribution. Thinking logically, banning both contributors from the area would be the most damaging solution for content production, as I also argued in more general terms in arbitration page [51] [52]. Hodja Nasreddin (talk) 15:52, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Passionless's responses to admins/latest comments
I think an indefinite topic ban may be too much for Mbz1. May I suggest a one-year topic-ban followed by a probationary period? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 23:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Since it looks to me as though, to a large extent, Mbz1 was provoked, and since her comments don't appear to me to be particularly heinous (compared to the general level in the IP area), I think that a long-term topic ban would be unjust. Unfortunately, because of her history, Mbz1 has become a bit of an easy mark. I do, though, think that it would be useful to continue the restriction on raising cases on noticeboards. ← ZScarpia 17:11, 5 April 2011 (UTC) Comment by JaakobouRegarding Sandstein's comment: The provided diff of special concern leads me to believe -- per "even Sharon himself could have made that call" -- that at the very least Passionless, who first joined the page suggesting it should be deleted, lacks the sensitivity of participating in articles about victims of terrorist attacks. I haven't went much deeper into diffs, but I would find serious offense in the above mentioned provocation. JaakobouChalk Talk 00:16, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Comment by GatoclassIn relation to Passionless, I would just say that I think at least a couple of his recent blocks were questionable and probably should have been overturned. I'm not persuaded at this point that he has caused enough disruption to warrant an extended topic ban. Gatoclass (talk) 00:41, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Seems to me to be a battle of egos and personalities. i can attest that passionless frequently reverts my edits, claiming POV, but his/her POV is quite selective. not convinced anyone needs a ban here, but maybe just need to learn to be more civil. i get involved in lots of 'wars' but always civily (go ahead, ask around....). i read though the entire exchange above. nothing warrants banning, but rather 'supervision'... Soosim (talk) 13:23, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Comment by Tzu Zha MenWhat I see here is nothing more than a couple of editors with an on-going personal feud. The best solution here is an interaction ban. Comment by nsaum75Either you are going to be fair here and call a spade a spade and take decisive action, or once again a band-aid approach will be taken that will only draw out the situation and lead to further disruption. The inability (or unwillingness) of administrators to take decisive action and the concern over "maintaining balance" only serves to discredit Wikipedia, while maintaining a hostile environment. By allowing the IP area to remain a battlefield (with editors one-upping each other) you are running off good editors and potential new contributors. Wikipedia in general has been suffering from fall in the number of new contributors for a while, and by maintaining the "status quo" administrators here are contributing to the problem. The good of the entire project outweighs the "rights" of individual editors whose primary actions on WP create a battlefield, contribute to animosity and in general run off people who wish to be constructive; Honestly, if you cannot see that, then you don't belong making "decisions" here in this case or any other. -- nsaum75 !Dígame¡ 03:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC) Comment by BetsythedevineMbz1 is a prolific and valued contributor in many areas. But ... Rather than take any of her particular remarks out of context, I would urge you to read through Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Blame_Israel_first. This is the AfD of an article created by Mbz1, which was deleted only after a large number of uninvolved editors showed up in response to an ANI post. Until those new people chimed in, it was clear that Mbz1 and her supporters were once again having it all their own way, in happy agreement that the article had no problems with WP:SYNTH or POV, while just a few tried to get the sure-to-be-kept-and-front-paged-via-DYK article made a bit better. Those of us who opposed Mbz1 came in for harsh public criticism, and I myself have refrained from even participating in the discussions of two of her more recent front-paged articles w:User_talk:Mbz1/Archive_3#DYK_for_Murder_of_Koby_Mandell_and_Yosef_Ishran and While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within. If Mbz1 is volunteering to abide by some civility restrictions, I would urge you to create something very specific and clear, as were Gwen Gale's restrictions on Mbz1's posting to ANI and AE. It was truly upsetting to see a concern I expressed linked to by Mbz1 as a prime example of "trolls and wikihounds, who hardly wrote an article themselves,who hardly uploaded a picture, and, who are spreading lies about me, like that one for instance, the lies that fools would listen." betsythedevine (talk) 18:50, 6 April 2011 (UTC) The last appeal by Mbz1At closing administrator: I wrote such articles as
Banning me on the topic would mean removing from the topic a unique contributor. I am an unique contributor nobody, but me wrote an article about culture or history of people from the opposite side of conflict. Yes, AfD, could get heated sometimes, but I realize that calling users "trolls" is unacceptable. I could be banned on using this word. I could be placed on zero tolerance civility alert, but there's absolutely nothing in the presented, taken out of content differences, none of which was made in the main space to topic-ban me on I/P conflict. Please allow me to contribute to wikipedia. Please do not make your decision on totality of evidences, make your decision on their quality. Thanks
Statement by Broccolo
Statement by CptnonoSee the above. I also agree that civility restrictions on Mbz1 could do the trick. I also agree that Passionless is an infuriating editor. However, the block log is going to be the deciding factor as is made clear by the comments by admins below. Mbz1 will be blocked. So this is a message of support. I have no doubt that Mbz1 can return to the topic area and contribute the quality shown throughout the project. I cannot tell you how impressed I am with her images and the fact that she is nowhere near an SPA. So Bwilkins wants to make sure indef means at least 1 year. 1 year is a pretty long time considering the rate of retirement here. A stiff block (3 month, 6 months, 1 year, 5 years, 20 years) will all serve the same purpose. Of course, anything I say means nothing since I have been pretty uncivil. But Mbz1 is actually one of the editors who consistently contributes decent (if not fantastic) content. Although we are not supposed to be biased in regards to length of service, adminship, and so on... we are. Mbz1 deserves the respect that editors who actually contribute should recieve. If it takes a year for her to come back then so be it. It doesn't look like anyone is willing to give "another chance" but keep in mind while deciding, admins, that Pasionless's report is flawed for the most part. Yes, there was some wrongdoing on Mbz1's part but nowhere near the level asserted with that bombardment. Good luck and thank you Mbz1.Cptnono (talk) 04:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Mbz1
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Miradre 2
Closed without prejudice pending resolution of Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Request for clarification: Race and Intelligence. Can be resubmitted if necessary. Sandstein 19:55, 11 April 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Miradre
Topic ban from Race Related articles broadly construed
I came across this discussion on WP:FTN#Race and crime and was horrified to find one the most POV articles I have ever seen. ITs at AFD now. Review of the talk page reveled alot of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. I have checked several thousand edits back and cannot find something that was not Race or Intelligence related.The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 00:38, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
@Timotheus Canens, I ask that Miradre also be officially warned of sanctions in the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Fringe science topic areas. The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 00:53, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Discussion concerning MiradreStatement by Miradre
My motivation for editing these controversial topicsBecause the topic of biological differences between groups may be automatically automatically unpleasant and thus may be simply rejected because of this, I feel I must add why researchers on this think their research is important and not harmful to society. It will explain my motivation for editing in order to include these views, along opposing ones according to policy. Researchers investing racial differences and arguing that they are biological are often accused of racism and that their research may harm society. In defense, Steven Pinker has stated that it is "a conventional wisdom among left-leaning academics that genes imply genocide." He has responded to this "conventional wisdom" by comparing the history of Marxism, which had the opposite position on genes to that of Nazism:
Jensen and Rushton point out that research has shown that also in a group with a lower average some individuals will be above the average of other groups. They also argue that when society is blamed for disparities in average group achievements that instead result from biological differences, the result is demands for compensation from the less successful group which the more successful group feel is unjustified, causing mutual resentment.[3] Linda Gottfredson similarly argues that denying real biological differences instead cause people to seek something to blame causing hostility between groups. In the US, examples being the views that whites are racist or blacks are lazy. She furthermore argues that "virtually all the victim groups of genocide in the Twentieth Century had relatively high average levels of achievement (e.g., German Jews, educated Cambodians, Russian Kulaks, Armenians in Turkey, Ibos in Nigeria; Gordon, 1980)."[4] Gottfredson has also disputed that a lower achieving group gains from denying or concealing real biological differences. An increasingly complex society built on the assumption than everyone can do equally well means that they who do not have this ability have increasing trouble functioning in most areas of life. They need various forms of special assistance which is not possible as long as the need is denied to exist.[4][5]
Comments by others about the request concerning MiradreComment by AndyTheGrumpCan I point out that Miradre's comment that "race and crime is not even marked as being under any editing restrictions or active arbitration remedies" is rather disingenuous, given his contributions to an article that expressly refers to a (supposed) "relationship between IQ and crime" as one of the explanations. Indeed, in this diff [76] Miradre explicitly refers to the linkage. I cannot see how he can reasonably claim not to see that this came within the arbitration remidies remit. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:03, 5 April 2011 (UTC) Once again, Miradre's use of the Stephen Pinker quote above illustrates his selective POV-pushing attitude to sources. In the previous paragraph of the same article Pinker responds to a question about genetic determinism:
Miradre somehow manages to take this article as indicating Pinker's support for the study of 'racial differences' and crime as a legitimate subject, rather than as a commentary on the degree to which universals within human behaviour are subject to genetic influence. Pinker explicitly states that the Nazis "....were wrong in believing that races and ethnic groups are qualitatively distinct in their biology, that... they differ in morally worthy traits like courage and honesty". Can one assume that Miradre sees crime as other than "morally worthy"? I'd assume so. And yet he ignores Pinker's explicit statements... AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:39, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
@ Sandstein: Whether the article necessarily falls under the arb case remit may perhaps be questionable, but the fact that Miradre's edits have expressly concerned a supposed link between 'race' and IQ isn't. He knew full well what he was doing - indeed, he continues to argue the same points in his response here. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC) Comment by JagielloMiradre uses remarkably elaborate tactics of discussion and editing to protect his/her white-supremacist POV. See the synchronic evolution of race and crime, discussion page, and admin reporting. Miardre resists any inclusion of non-racist (i.e. mainstream science) POV by covert agressive discussion tactics, making concessions to mainstream views only when faced with deletion procedure. Miardre has absolutely no interest for non-racist POV science unless it can be strategically used to protect his/her own POV-pushing. I assumed good faith at the beginning of the discussion but soon found it impossible. Jagiello (talk) 02:10, 5 April 2011 (UTC) Comment by BoothelloThis thread needs to be examined by someone who's familiar enough with the source material to gauge whether Miradre's edits have actually violated any policies. I see a lot of indignation that Miradre would dare to include material about such an offensive viewpoint, and very little discussion about whether his edits are actually supported by the sources. I'll go through the diffs one by one:
I notice that Resident Anthropologist has engaged in WP:CANVASSING to attract people likely to agree with him to this AE thread. [77] [78] [79] This is a fairly transparent attempt at using AE to keep information that he finds offensive off of Wikipedia, even though in all three of the diffs provided Miradre's edits are correctly summarizing what the sources say. If the information added by Miradre is supported by the sources used, he is not doing anything wrong by adding it. On the other hand, if Resident Anthropologist succeeds at censoring the viewpoint he doesn't like by means of canvassing and baseless accusations of source misrepresentation, that will be bad for Wikipedia.Boothello (talk) 05:24, 5 April 2011 (UTC) Comment by aprockMiradre is a returning user, who's original identity was not found during a sock puppet investigation last October. He has not responded to requests for information about what previous account(s) he has edited under, Given the disruptive editing behavior detailed then, previous to the prior AE request, and now, it is quite possible that he is a sanctioned user returning to edit in a manner consistent with WP:CPUSH. A concurrent demonstration of his disruptive editing can be found at the AfD for Race and Crime, an article created by a user banned for racist edits, and now championed by Miradre. Another recent example of his disruptive editing can be found on the [talk page of Race and sports]. Because this is a case of civil pov pushing, simple diffs are unlikely to shed light on the full level of disruption, I strongly urge administrators to review the AfD discussion and the talk page discussion linked to above. Diffs of specific disruptive behavior from last October which match those supplied above can be found on the SPI page. aprock (talk) 06:37, 5 April 2011 (UTC) note to Sandstein: From R/I Arbitration Remedies: Standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for "race and intelligence" and all closely related articles. I guess it is an open question as to whether or not Race and crime, (and Race and sports), constitute "closely related articles", but as AndyTheGrump noted above, even Miradre seems to think that they are related in some way. I posit that using J. Philippe Rushton ("a psychology professor at the University of Western Ontario, Canada, most widely known for his work on intelligence and racial differences") as a source may well qualify as "closely related" regardless of article. aprock (talk) 06:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC) second note to Sandstein: What you seem to be saying is that what an article should be about determines whether it is "closely related", and not the actual content of the article or edits. In such a sense, if an editor comes into the article Giraffe, and begins adding content related to the race and intelligence debate, then those edits are not covered by AE here. Is that correct? aprock (talk) 20:07, 5 April 2011 (UTC) brief update: Miradre is now disruptively editing on the WP:FT/N in the discussion regarding a book by Rushton. As usual, no single diff can do justice to the gestalt of WP:CPUSH that is being pursued, so if time permits, I would suggest reading the entire section. (archived version: [80]) If anyone does read the thread, insight into the disruption is best gained by focusing on the interaction between Miradre and the completely uninvolved editor Hrafn. Interactions between Miradre, Manus, Mathsci, and myself may have too much baggage. aprock (talk) 08:10, 11 April 2011 (UTC) response to Tifo098: While there is certainly a content dispute going on here, it is the behavior of Miradre during the discussion of content which is the problem being discussed here, not the content. Please review the interactions on the fringe theories noticeboard. If you find his behavior during that discussion to be reasonable and constructive, please endorse it as such. aprock (talk) 19:50, 11 April 2011 (UTC) Comment by MathsciMiradre had received a warning about Race and intelligence as a result of a previous enforcement request here. 2over0's warning on 11 March 2010 stated:
It did not as Sandstein claims refer to articles in the category Race and intelligence, but on pages broadly related to Race and intelligence. The material added by Miradre in Race and crime in the two sections Trait theories and Biological theories refers to three different books on Race and intelligence for its argument. These books are Race Differences in Intelligence, The Global Bell Curve and Race, Evolution, and Behavior. The topic Race and intelligence, broadly construed, is discussed extensively in those sections. That extensive material on Race and intelligence was added only days after the explicit warning above, so the warning would have been fresh in Miradre's mind. Administrators should look at the terms of 2over0's notification when evaluating this request. Mathsci (talk) 09:21, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Comment One of the most recent users to accuse Maunus of having a POV at variance with wikipedia policies was ComtesseDeMingrelie (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), a sockpuppet account of a banned user (Polgraf = Satt 2). Mathsci (talk) 13:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC) Update Miradre's substantial recent edits to Race, Evolution, and Behavior [81] appear to contravene WP:ARBR&I#Correct use of sources, as his additions appear to be a synthesis of primary sources with no use of secondary sources covering them. On WP:FTN [82] Miradre has suggested that objections to his edits might require discussion at WP:BLPN. Recent secondary sources related to this topic do exist,[83] although they have not been cited in the article and do not support the point of view Miradre has expressed on WP:FTN. Mathsci (talk) 14:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC) User:MaunusMiradre's editing is definitely covered by the R&I provisions. Whether or not the article is in the particular category, Miradre's edits certainly are: As can be seen in edits such as these, where Miradre changes a neutral wording to a positive one regarding J. Phillippe Rushton's r/K selection theory which has been almost unanimously rejected by specialists and which holds that Blacks are more criminal and less intelligent because the ancestral African environement made that the best evolutionary strategy : [84]. And here where he removes material describing one of the main arguments from a psychologist who argues against the validity of Race as a psychological variable: [85]. The R&I provisions of course do not mean that editors are free to push POV's regarding race and intelligence as long as they do so in articles that are not currently in the R & I controversy category. ·Maunus·ƛ· 13:00, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
@Boothello. You apparently don't know what canvassing means. ResidentAnthropologist was discussing the issue with Andy and Jagiello because of they were both involved in the AFD that sparked this request for enforcement. I am watching Andy's talkpage and expressed my support uninvitedly, whereupon Resident anthropologist gave me a notice that the AE request was live. That is not canvassing.·Maunus·ƛ· 14:57, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Comment by BorisGI find myself in disagreement with many commenters. It appears to me that in all the diffs Miradre has closely followed the source. We can debate how closely, but certainly such borderline cases are not cause for sanction. It seems that the filing party is trying to ban a user because that user is using the source which says things they find outrageous. And many others join in in self-rightous attempt to censor the article. I see no serious violation on the part of Mirarde. At the same time, I find the debate of whether the article is within the scope of DS to be of only academic importance. If the user violated policies, he should be sanctioned, either under AE or not. If he didn't then he walks free. My take anyway. - BorisG (talk) 23:38, 9 April 2011 (UTC) Comment by Tijfo098Whether the articles edited fall within the mandate of AE or not, the evidence presented above is quite unconvincing with respect to policy violations. Despite the repeated assertions that the two or three edits somehow are POV or FRINGE, this request seems to be nothing more than another attempt to win a content dispute at AE from the usual suspects. Where is the evidence for instance that "In reality the study is only backed by a small group of psychologists that have an economical interest in Rushton's Pioneer Fund." I'm willing to WP:AGF that this is the case (and perhaps Miadre didn't know it), but just saying it on Wikipedia doesn't make it true. Tijfo098 (talk) 19:39, 11 April 2011 (UTC) Result concerning Miradre
I have not examined the edits in question, but the case defines the topic covered by discretionary sanctions as "articles within the Category:Race and intelligence controversy". Because Race and crime is not in that category, this makes the request not actionable, unless the article is shown to have been in the category during the time of the allegedly disruptive conduct. Sandstein 05:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Note this edit by Miradre at Race and crime. He is adding a discussion of the views of J. Philippe Rushton, an author whose page is included in Category:Race and intelligence controversy. I don't see Arbcom choosing a narrow scope for WP:ARBR&I if an editor seems to be adding the kind of material covered in other articles in the R&I category. Besides, there could be an argument based on the article content that Race and crime *should* be included in Category:Race and intelligence controversy. See for instance the whole section called 'Trait theories' in the same article. The relationship of Race and crime article to the Race and intelligence topic is further underlined by the 'See also' link connecting the two. EdJohnston (talk) 21:35, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
As proposed by Timotheus Canens, I am closing this request pending resolution of Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Request for clarification: Race and Intelligence. If that request concludes that the edits were within the scope of the remedy, the enforcement request can be resubmitted. Sandstein 19:55, 11 April 2011 (UTC) |
Anonimu
No block. Anonimu is warned not to edit war, and that 1RR and ARBMAC apply to his edits. EdJohnston (talk) 00:53, 8 April 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Anonimu
I don't know what can be done. To me it seems a case impossible to fix. However, I'll let those in charge to decide. All I am looking for is a collaborative, friendly environment. When I joined Wikipedia and started WP:DACIA in good faith and out of interest for history, I didn't imagine I would spend my time writing such a report, instead of creating articles...
Based on these edits and many other aggressive edits of Dacia-related articles (and not only), while refusing to collaborate, be a team-player, be civil, join WP:DACIA if he has a genuine interest in it, one can obviously see that he is hounding and stalking the project, the articles, me personally and other collaborators. He seems to have a xenophobic obsession to minimize or plainly remove any references to Dacians and/or Getae from historical articles, using sophistry, gaming the system and being generally engaged in disruptive editing. Additionally, if you check his edit history, many of his edits are in highly controversial articles, trying to push marginal POVs by force, actively seeking conflict. A high majority of his edit comments are ironical, hostile, far from civility, full of reverts everywhere. To me these are blatant breaches of these conditions imposed into him when his ban was provisionally suspended:
I personally made countless attempts to invite him to collaboration, team work, and to created an enjoyable environment around the articles of shared interest, within WP:DACIA scope or elsewhere. It seems hopeless and impossible, and a lot of time is spent trying to recover articles from his disruptive edits instead of working on quality content and something enjoyable. And above all, I fail to see how he respects ANY of the conditions imposed after his ban was suspended. Because of all this, I am sadly forced to request a thorough review of his case.
User notified here. Discussion concerning AnonimuStatement by AnonimuAs it can clearly be seen from CodrinB's links, this is just a content dispute, and moreover a personal grudge against me because I don't support a revisionist theory discredited in Romania long time ago (i.e. Protochronism). Otherwise why would an AfD that I've initiated and was deleted by the community on policy grounds be considered by him a violation of policy? Why would a merging of two articles about the same topic and a removal of a tag from a talk page be considered violation? Why is the restoration of sources he deleted because they didn't fit his theory called vandalism? Also, please check the "high majority" of my edit summaries.. all are just (admittedly subjective) descriptions of the edits, yet they are regarded as "ironical, hostile, far from civility" !?! Accusations of this kind are a common tactic used by CodrinB in his attempt to monopolise articles with minority views and drive editors away from them (see similar accusations thrown at User:Daizus here that ultimately made him leave in disgust). The editor has a serious problem with the personal attacks he keeps throwing at people who disagree with his peculiar interpretation of sources (see blatant examples above, such as me having a "xenophobic obsession"), and, after this is finished, I'm thinking about starting a RfC about his conduct.Anonimu (talk) 08:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others concerning Anonimu
In other words, I concur with Codrin. Yours trulyBoldwin (talk) 11:51, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Anonimu
I don't think that this is actionable in terms of arbitration enforcement, because the sanction that you ask us to enforce has been vacated by the Committee itself. The cited unblock message by Roger Davies says that: "This suspension may be rescinded at any time and the community ban reinstated by majority vote of ArbCom if you are in breach of any of the above conditions." This means that only the Committee may reinstate the ban, and any request to that effect should be directed to the Committee at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment. An independent request for enforcement could conceivably be based on WP:DIGWUREN, but would require a prior notification of that case. Even then, the only obviously problematic conduct reported in the request is the edit-warring on Capidava, the other matters look like content disputes. Sandstein 05:39, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
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Verman1
Consensus is that Verman1 (talk · contribs) is topic banned for six months. If problems continue after six months, the topic ban can easily be re-applied. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:03, 9 April 2011 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Verman1
Topic ban or block
The evidence which I have presented above represents only a small fraction of the numerous reverts and blatant violations of Wikipedia's policies that Verman1 has committed. The articles which he has edited are related in one way or another to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and I honestly do not know where to begin. Verman1's most problematic edits have taken place on two church articles. Currently, in the Republic of Azerbaijan, as a result of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, all the Armenian churches have been rechristened as "Caucasian Albanian" as part of a systematic process to deny the Armenians any connection to the history of the region. However, virtually all historians agree that these medieval-era churches, Tsitsernavank and Gandzasar, were built and maintained by Armenians living in the region and this is reflected in the sources used in these articles. Many of them have, in fact, condemned the historical revisionism that the government of Azerbaijan publishes and disseminates and, by all appearances, it seems that Verman1 has been aggressively pushing these points of view despite the fact that scholars attach no credence to them. Accordingly, beginning with his very first edits to these two articles, Verman1 has deliberately removed any mention of the Armenian origin of these churches and replaced them with Caucasian Albanian; deleted their sources, which are written by Western, peer-reviewed scholars, and replaced them with partisan, unreliable websites which are not considered scholarly by anyone's stretch of the imagination. This is the reason why most editors considered his edits as ill-faith and refused to categorize them as legitimate content disputes. Thus, numerous editors reverted his edits, since they were considered to be written in such a one-sided and blatantly misleading manner that they could not be construed as being done out of good-faith. But Verman simply labeled those editors who reverted him as individuals engaging in vandalism, and this term has been used excessively in almost every edit he has reverted because they apparently do not conform to his point of view and are thus considered "wrong". The discussions on these two pages never really went anywhere either because when Verman1 was invited to provide reliable, third party sources to support his edits, he was unable to produce anything of the like and, at most, gave indirect and otherwise circumstantial evidence. What is more, he dismissed sources written by reliable authors immediately when they were used to refute his claims. Despite all this, he never made any compromises and never showed any inclination that he was ready to achieve a consensus, instead essentially telling other users, in stark black and white terms, that only their edits were "wrong" and his were "right". The bewildering number of edit wars aside, Verman1 also engaged in turning Wikipedia into an ethnic battleground when he dismissed a source because of the fact that its author was Armenian (see here) and was warned by an administrator on that page to desist from such comments. The scope of his edits is also troubling: Verman1 never did try to limit himself to resolving disputes on one or two articles but began expanding his activities, along with a suspicious user, Dighapet to perhaps a dozen related articles, ensnaring other editors to revert the controversial changes. In almost none of these articles did he ever list his grievances on the talk page and never presented convincing reasons as to why his edits bore weight for inclusion. There is also a little concern for why such activity spiked now: Verman1 created his account on Oct. 1 2010 but only began to really edit on Feb. 14, 2011. Note that another controversial user who edits in this area, Ehud Lesar, after a seven month absence, started editing again on February 15, 2011 and making controversial edits, which included warring with Dighapet here. Note that it is not the first time something really fishy happens involving Ehud Lesar, since there was one arbitration about him here. As for Dighapet, this was already provided during the previous case, account created on Febuary 22, 2011 and his English is very much similar to Verman1 and they nearly always act together (see their history of contribution). All of these edits involving multiple articles happened after another editor, Tuscumbia was topic banned. The action by Verman1 and Dighapet appears to be geared at involving the most users possible which obviously would result in having them either blocked or placed under greater restrictions. Even after Verman1 was warned by two administrators to edit constructively and try to discuss and achieve consensus, he has shown no inclination to do so and has carried on as usual. There is much more that can be said but I think the evidence that has been presented thus far would warrant some action.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 04:28, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Verman1Statement by Verman1I put references when I did edits. These can not be taken as vandalism. I totally reject this accusation that I work with Dighapet. It is absurd to claim that. Especially "Their English is very similiar" is very ridiculous claiming. I have tried to edit falsified armenian names in Azerbaijan territory (What if some American city names will be changed to the Mexican names? That would be the same nonsense as to put armenian namings to Azerbaijani city and villages). Regarding churches, there are plenty of evidence supporting my edits. I put all of these evidence both in discussion page and in article itself. I showed good will and tried not to engage in edit-war, but all my efforts gone vain, just because some users like Ashot Arzumanyan, Marshal Bagramyan or Moosh88 always tried to engage into edit war, without bringing any argument to do so. I want relevant admins to pay attention to articles [Tsitsernavank Monastery] and [Gandzasar Monastery] and find out everything by themselves, as it is clear that people accusing me in edit-war engaged in this by themselves first. Regards, --Verman1 (talk) 07:11, 8 April 2011 (UTC) Statement by VidovlerVerman1 believes Armenians being inferior, he wrote in his comment twice the word Armenian without capitilizing it, while he capitilized the words English and Azerbaijani. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gandzasar_monastery Dighapet writes: Yes, I give consensus to Verman's edits. Dighapet dismissed all of his opponents as people even not worth consideration, as if only him and Verman1 are worth consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vidovler (talk • contribs) 14:43, 8 April 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Verman1
Result concerning Verman1
Verman1's decided propensity for edit warring and combativeness on talkpages argue for a topic ban in the 3–6 months range. Does anyone object?
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Request concerning R. fiend
R. fiend reminded of the definition of "revert". No other action taken at the moment. |
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Discussion concerning R. fiendStatement by R. fiendThis is bullshit for several reasons. First of all, I made two completely non-related edits: first I removed a template which Domer basically said wasn't relevant ("I do not have an issue with the information"), and when it was put back, I let it go, as the epidemic of the overuse of templates is not the hill I want to die on. Later I removed a completely unrelated edit by a different editor, on the rationale that it did not seem relevant to the article and read like a non-sequitur. I explained why I did so and invited anyone who disagreed to explain why this sentence was relevant to this article. I don't see how this can be called a revert. If one wanted to be an anal retentive wikilawyer about it (something I'm sure Domer would not wish to do, as he consistently berates wikilawyering), one might argue that regardless of what edits were made, if, by happenstance, the resulting versions were the same, it is a revert. To put Domer's mind at ease that I was not editing the same version of the same article twice, I made a very minor change, so that I could get around this absurd technicality with another technicality. This was irrelevant, as the two versions were not the same in either case (note the presence of that template in the latter edits). So what I did was edit the same article twice, and somehow that's supposed to equal me making more than one revert in 24 hours. Doesn't make much sense to me. Additionally, Domer himself added the same template twice within 24 hours, so by his logic he is more guilty than I am. -R. fiend (talk) 22:34, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
My statements above have been moved to a separate section, which is basically fine, but since some of them were specific responses to comments by admins they now seem out of place, and the thing reads a bit like an odd conversation with myself. Is there a way to remedy this without reinserting them in the section below? -R. fiend (talk) 14:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC) Statement by EdJohnstonSome recent edits by User:R. fiend at Tom Clarke (Irish republican):
This is three reverts by User:R. fiend on April 8th, which breaks the 1RR restriction. User:Domer48 added the Refimprove template to the 'Planning the uprising' section twice on 8 April, first time at 14:43 and the second time at 19:02. The first addition counts as adding new material, since Refimprove had not been on that section before. Only the second addition is a *revert* by Domer48. So I'm not seeing that Domer48 broke the 1RR on April 8. EdJohnston (talk) 12:26, 9 April 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning R. fiendStatement by Volunteer Marek - This IS indeed very silly. If the removal of that one sentence is in fact uncontroversial, then how is he supposed to remove it? If he does it now he's "edit warring" (with himself) and violating 1RR. If he waits and does it later, he is "gaming the system". So the sentence MUST stay. Ummm, any of you AE geniuses read this book Joseph Heller once wrote? I'm having trouble remembering it's name. Blocks are used to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia; they should not be intended as a punishment. Could Timotheus Canens or EdJohnston please bear this in mind. MacStep (talk) 06:32, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning R. fiend
Closing as no action. The discussion above should have adequately reminded R. fiend of the definition of a "revert" for the purposes of xRR rules. Looking the whole thing over again, I'm not inclined to impose a block when the second removal is apparently noncontroversial. R. fiend should try, however, to avoid the appearance of gaming a restriction in their future edits. T. Canens (talk) 18:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC) |
Uruandimi
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Request concerning Uruandimi
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Sean.hoyland - talk 21:48, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Uruandimi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
This report concerns the behavior of Uruandimi (who I think is also Special:Contributions/212.64.94.231 when logged out) at Palestinian refugee. In a nutshell, Uruandimi appears to be an inexperienced editor who does not understand what is required of him with respect to article content edits and talk page use.
- 20:25, 2 April 2011 I believe this was his first edit (while logged out). It's typical; non-neutral, unsourced, often off topic and was quickly reverted. It was followed shortly by the talk page comment Talk:Palestinian_refugee#The major role played by the Palestinian people's movement and Uruandimi restored the content later here.
Things have gone downhill from there. There were a number of other problematic content edits (e.g. here and here) but the main problem seems to be the non-stop soapboxing and refusal to get the point on the talk page.
See
- About the danger of politization
- This entry must be re-written since it is fraudulent
- Charters etc.
- Arab Palestinian refugee
- What's in a name? About the new meaning of the name 'Palestinian'
It's concerning that it's also at nl:Overleg:Palestijns vluchtelingenprobleem too. Both Carwil and I have tried to be patient, explain policy (repeatedly), ignore the occasional assumption of bad faith and soapboxing but we aren't really getting anywhere.
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
The user has not been officially informed about the sanctions by an admin. Carwil and I have informed the user about the sanctions amongst other requirements on the article talk page (here) and at User talk:Uruandimi. It didn't help.
- Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
Official notification of the sanctions, some kind of warning, whatever it takes.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning Uruandimi
Statement by Uruandimi
The issue is about including the PLO Covenant, which calls for Israel's destruction, in a new section called "attitudes and policies of the Palestinian Arabs" on this page. By including the text of this government document, I would like to show that (1) the Palestinian Arab community officially nurtures a negative and hostile attitude towards Israel and the Jews; (2) that this attitude has been a matter of Palestinian Arab policy for a long time (the page on Yasser Arafat's predecessor Amin al-Husseini shows that this policy actually dates back to the '20's of last century); and (3) that this attitude and policy possibly caused such large numbers of Palestinian Arabs to become refugees in the first place.
However, including the PLO Covenant would 'ruin' the current narrative on the Palestinian refugee page, whose authors seem to assume that Israel and the Jews initiated the expulsion or caused the flight of the Palestinian Arabs from their homes. Among other demands, Sean.hoyland and Carwil told me that for the PLO Covenant to apply to the Palestinian refugees, I must provide a reliable source stating that the Palestinian refugees are actually Palestinian Arabs. The sanction was announced just as I was about to suggest that the burden of proof is on them since in my opinion, the Palestinian refugees and the Palestinian Arabs are one and the same.
If people want to continue to prevent a paragraph on the PLO attitudes and policies from being included on this page, they must quote a reliable source which says (1) that there is a difference between the Palestinian refugees and the Palestinian Arabs; (2) that the PLO Covenant does not apply to all the Palestinian Arabs; and (3) that the PLO was not recognized by the Arab League (1964) and 100 nations, the United Nations General Assembly (1974), the EU, Israel and the USA (1993) to solely represent all the Palestinian Arabs.
With kind regards, --Uruandimi (talk) 01:39, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Uruandimi
I may comment more later, but for now I want to clarify one thing. Uruandimi alleges on this page, "Sean.hoyland and Carwil told me that for the PLO Covenant to apply to the Palestinian refugees, I must provide a reliable source stating that the Palestinian refugees are actually Palestinian Arabs." Sean and my comments are on the record at Talk:Palestinian refugees, but this understanding of our request lacks any basis I can remember. I did say, "If you want to discuss the political views of Palestinian refugees, most of whom cannot take part in PA elections, look for research on the topic, and don't quote documents written decades ago." This was one of many requests for reliable sources relating Palestinian refugees to the material that Uruandimi has posted from the PLO Covenant and Hamas documents. Neither Sean nor I have objected to Palestinian refugees being Palestinians or Palestinian Arabs (the term Uruandimi prefers). Instead, we have insisted that a chain of connection—Palestinian refugees to Palestinians to PLO/Hamas to PLO Charter/Hamas Covenant—is not sufficient to place contentious discussion of the Charter/Covenant on the Palestinian refugees page. At least not without reliable sources connecting Palestinian refugees to the Charter/Covenant.--Carwil (talk) 08:04, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- I apologize for engaging here in some of the content dispute; my intent was instead to clarify something which I allegedly said (according to Uruandimi), but did not.
- More importantly, I'm interested in being able to work with Uruandimi on the basis of shared adherence to Wikipedia policies, the avoidance of polemics and POV-pushing, the inclusion of material on each page that is strictly relevant to the topic at hand, and consistent reliance on reliable sources.
- Sean and I have both tried to indicate these needs to Uruandimi, and have at various times tried to provide examples of what such behavior looks like. While we can continue to try, there is a sense that WP policies and practices are being willfully ignored or that our advice doesn't carry weight. For that reason, I think both an arbitration-related notification (to emphasize the seriousness of avoiding tendentious and repetitions editing) and further involvement from other editors (to clarify the meaning of WP policies for the page under discussion in particular) would be useful.
- While I might have waited longer before bringing this material here to AE, I was strongly motivated to share the arbitration notice, and only did not because I learned it must be shared by an uninvolved administator.--Carwil (talk) 16:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Uruandimi
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
There is only one actual diff in the evidence section, and I do not see how it reflects more than a content dispute, which AE does not decide. The links to whole discussions are not helpful; evidence should be submitted in the form of dated and well-explained diffs. Without objection, I intend to close this report as not warranting a warning. Sandstein 19:45, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Ryoung122
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Request concerning Ryoung122
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- David in DC (talk) 18:55, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Ryoung122 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Longevity#Ryoung122_topic-banned
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- [113] 8 April 2011 The beginning of this MOS talk page instruction explicitly references longevity related articles. They are the reason for the proposal is being discussed. RY's participation constitutes "...editing, commenting on, or otherwise participating in any Wikipedia process related to articles about longevity, broadly interpreted."
- [114] 8 April 2011 The talk page conversation Jy joins here is explicitly about longevity-related aryicles. His comment constitutes "...editing, commenting on, or otherwise participating in any Wikipedia process related to articles about longevity, broadly interpreted."
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- Warned on 12 March 2011 by EdJohnston (talk · contribs)
- Enforcement action requested
- Block, because the lesser topic ban does not seem to be working:
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
In my view, this editor is incorrigible.
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning Ryoung122
Statement by Ryoung122
Comments by others about the request concerning Ryoung122
Result concerning Ryoung122
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
The newest of the diffs you provide is almost exactly three days old. I'm inclined to close this as stale unless someone can provide a compelling argument that a block would be anything other than purely punitive 69 hours after the fact. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:28, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- David in DC, please refrain from statements of opinion in the vein of "this editor is incorrigible". They are of no help or relevance at all for processing this request.
I've been asked about this matter on my talk page, where I've noted two other edits in violation of the topic ban: [115] and [116].
I do not think that the report should be dismissed as stale, because David in DC contacted an administrator within a day of the edits. Also, three days is still reasonably recent. I am considering blocking Ryoung122 for 72 hours. Sandstein 19:39, 11 April 2011 (UTC)