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Love, Lies & Therapy[edit]

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Found reviews from AllMusic and Classic Rock Italia which give me enough reason to not immediately BLAR, but not enough to be confident in notability. There are a few other publications that covered the release, but it didn't look like they were writing anything unique. I would redirect to Saliva (band). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep if more sources can be added, and additional information can be added, such as a "Critical reception" section, prove the album is WP:N worthy. —Mjks28 (talk) 23:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Memadangu[edit]

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Can't find anything but postal directories about this village — not even its coordinates. Unsourced since creation in 2011. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 13:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:GEOLAND - is a census designated place, has a post office, has government recognition. BrigadierG (talk) 21:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which source says that? Geschichte (talk) 14:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty, but https://www.indiatvnews.com/pincode/kerala/ernakulam/memadangu as an example BrigadierG (talk) 09:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also see https://www.indiatvnews.com/pincode/kerala/ernakulam/aluva-town-bus-stand. It doesn't mean we should have an article about the Aluva Town Bus Stand Geschichte (talk) 21:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:GEOLAND BrigadierG (talk) 08:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I only want to know which source refers to it as a census designated place. Surely, the census itself would be the logical source, not the unuseful link you posted, and with the census, we would also have its population. Geschichte (talk) 09:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:GEOLAND. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is a delete until the failure of WP:V is addressed. The above link doesn't help with anything, and so far the discussions has yielded little else than WP:PERX. Google Maps redirects Memadangu to Mekkadambu, but that is southwest of Muvattupuzha, not southeast. Geschichte (talk) 09:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://censusindia.gov.in/nada/index.php/catalog/29073/download/32254/29647_1981_ERN.pdf

It's a census-designated place BrigadierG (talk) 11:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BrigadierG provided a link to 1981 census data above which contains data of Memadangu on page 150. Population 1,642 back then. However, it's only a subdivision of the village of Arakuzha. While it is a legally recognized populated place per WP:GEOLAND, I wonder if we should have pages of individual village subdivisions. I – perhaps unorthodoxly – suggest a Merge to Arakuzha. Broc (talk) 15:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Selective TV, Inc.[edit]

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Subject lacks the necessary coverage to meet the WP:NCORP. A 2010 AfD closed as no consensus but notability thresholds have changed significantly in the past 14 years. Let'srun (talk) 21:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Alexandria, Minnesota#Television: this is probably the best available alternative to deletion here (the most substantive content, the table of stations, is basically already there), though given that this article is about a non-profit corporation and not necessarily the stations themselves I do not oppose outright deletion as a NCORP failure either. Even the long-abolished separate and looser inclusion standards for broadcast stations eventually frowned upon giving relays of other stations or national services (which is all Selective TV's stations do) articles for lack of separate notability. The "keep"s from 2010 don't appear to be what would be considered as "policy-guideline based" today, largely relying on the "FCC-licensed broadcast stations are presumed notable" stance that was finally put to bed after this 2021 RfC that pivoted to requiring significant coverage — but as this article really falls under NCORP rather than GNG, it falls under stricter standards that don't count purely-local or most trade coverage toward notability (and the lone "delete" from the 2010 nomination, noting the lack of SIGCOV, does express a view that is more in line with 2024 standards than was usually seen in the broadcasting topic area 14 years ago). In the end, this is a remnant of the looser standards of 2010 — and the "no consensus" suggests that any perceived "notability" was the bare minimum at most. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:09, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anthony Masake[edit]

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An article that doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE. While the notability of Chapter Four Uganda is questioned, I simply may conclude redirecting there per this source. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ballymoreen (disambiguation)[edit]

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There are now only two articles about this topic: Ballymurreen (also known as Ballymoreen), an article which includes the electoral district; and Ballymoreen (townland). See Talk:Ballymoreen (disambiguation)#Merger proposal which appears to have been executed. A disambiguation page is therefore not now required (WP:ONEOTHER). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I can't find any other uses on GeoNames, Wikidata or Geograph search. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1794 in Ukraine[edit]

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GNG Martin^talk 21:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Look at Template:Years in Ukraine, or any for any other nation. I link to anything notable enough to have its own article, so its a valid navigational list. There are also two references there, one for the Encyclopedia of Ukraine, and the other from Harvard University Press for the Harvard Ukrainian Research Institute. Dream Focus 22:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - Has encyclopedic value and sources exist that meet GNG. Question to nominator, Martinc021 did you do a BEFORE prior to nominated this? Netherzone (talk) 23:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I withdraw my nomination --Martin^talk 02:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. While "GNG" is not a valid nomination by any stretch, Ukraine was not a country at the time. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2000 in Kosovo. Also, a category would do a fine job of containing what little information there is here. Geschichte (talk) 03:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doreen Kyazze[edit]

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I reviewed tis article thrice to determine whether it is considered worthy of a Wikipedia entry. Firstly, I saw there were good sources as though a reviewer will do. I now checked the sources and almost a good percentage weren't reliable per WP:RS. Religion of sources and lack of WP:SIRS definitely defined this type of article.

In second checking for confirmation, I discovered so many sources lined her perhaps a single line other quote while addressing her as a worker at Penal. I would have said this should be redirected to the organisation page but didn't see any advocacy worthy enough for WP:ATD. Another subtle was drive by the award nomination. This cannot be called WP:ANYBIO since it was once nominated and wasn't won (it's is also a lesser award, thus not major like ANYBIO. I've therefore brought this to the table proper discussion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The award from the EU seems notable [1] and [2]. I'm ok with the sources given. At least enough for BASIC Oaktree b (talk) 21:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b, EU human rights award is nothing but a less major award. Though must have come from a notable form EU, but the article bearer was a nominee and was only once. How does that satisfy WP:BASIC? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I find coverage [3], [4], [5] and [6]. Oaktree b (talk) 22:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Oaktree b, the sources you listed all were independent of the Ugandan academic Spire or nearer to that. However, one nominated award is never enough for a career that isn't established. For example, a writer that has written extensively and appeared in reaserch paper may be considered even with the writing and more when nominated for an award like this. In this context, however, the article doesn't meet GNG of her career or any significant impact or SIGCOV of her advocacy ad work. Arguing about an award that is not even won is likely biased for me. It's simply a reminder! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 23:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Appeal to tradition[edit]

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Very poorly cited and not at all neutral

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If this is to stay, it needs to be rewritten and better sourced, and discuss the benefits of tradition as well as the negatives. This currently lacks any depth, logic alone is nothing
Keep - the article is about the logical fallacy. There is a separate article for the broader subject of tradition. Citations, etc. are a WP:SOFIXIT/WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP issue. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 23:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep if article can be rewritten to sound more neutral and objective. Would also help to add more sources. —Mjks28 (talk) 00:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Not a convincing nomination, no policy cited and irrelevant personal opinions such as "logic alone is nothing". I don't see any problems with it not being "neutral". Geschichte (talk) 04:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Ori[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American football player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSPERSON. The most I did find was a few sentences here, which is not totally unsurprising considering he was a replacement player who played three NFL games. JTtheOG (talk) 20:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can't find mentions of his playing career in newspapers or a Gnews search. I don't see notability based on a lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 22:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I couldn't find anything either on Newspapers.com. NewsLibrary used to have a lot stuff that wasn't on Newspapers.com but you have to pay now to even search for stuff. Hopefully, someone else has better luck but I'm not hopeful since he's an offensive lineman. Pre 2022, I would normally just vote Keep since Ori is someone who played in real games, not just preseason or practice squad. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khar-polis[edit]

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No sources found. Zero citations for 16 years. External link is a YouTube video called "KHARPOLICE 2" purporting to show "Iranian men playing Kharpolis" at Cachuma Lake, California, in 2010. (And the only comment on the video is "CHINCHE AL AGUA" which I guess is supposed to verify that the Mexican game is the same as the Iranian game.) Either this is WP:OR or possibly even WP:HOAX. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Previous AfD in 2008 addressed only WP:NOTGUIDE accusations and did not address the lack of sourcing. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 03:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the only edits by the creator were to create and crosslink this article at 17:25, 29 September 2008. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 03:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment one can find pictures of this game online, such as at [7], so I would exclude a hoax. I assume reliable sources, if they exist, would be only available in Farsi language. Broc (talk) 15:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zamil Steel[edit]

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Delete Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:ORGSIG. The sources are almost entirely PR-based or non-independent. No actual in-depth coverage in reliable secondary sources, just press releases and blog posts. Wikilover3509 (talk) 14:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Company actually seems notable to me, even though the article is terrible. This already can help for an introduction, and a section on their practices. Here is a case study, whose facts we can assume to be reliable. This is obviously not acceptable, yet its promotional claims indicate that the company is likely notable. Drmies (talk) 14:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: It would be worth considering the present article about this subsidiary company in the wider context of articles on the parent company Zamil Industrial (created around the same time by the same editor) and Zamil Group Holding (created more recently). Do each have sufficient specific notability to justify multiple article here?AllyD (talk) 07:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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White Plains Wombats[edit]

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Redirect to USA Rugby League as I am unable to find enough coverage to warrant a standalone article. My searches only yielded passing mentions. JTtheOG (talk) 18:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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SBSS 0953+549[edit]

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Yet another non-notable astronomical object, and the article itself is rather incoherent. All of the references but one are to catalog papers, and that one is a study of three quasars in 1986. The text is not well formed English, it has sections irrelevant to the article itself (Galaxy companions is about galaxies that have nothing to do with SBSS 0953+549 except vague proximity on sky), and the text is mostly generalities based on those catalog papers. User:Galaxybeing continues to create pages like this that are non-notable and just lists of information from catalogs in paragraph form. Parejkoj (talk) 18:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Francis William Lascelles[edit]

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British official (not that Lascelles). It is not clear how he might meet WP:BIO. His position as Clerk of the House of Lords was an administrative one and does not confer automatic notability. Nothing in his unremarkable biography otherwise suggests notability. The cited sources appear to be mostly primary or unreliable sources, and a Google Books search finds nothing of interest. Sandstein 17:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Harry Dunn (defender)[edit]

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I'm a bit unsure about this one, as he seemed to have a rather robust career, but it was entirely at the non-league, semi-pro level. There doesn't seem to be much of any WP:SIGCOV outside of this local newspaper coverage. I'd like to see what consensus is here, as it feels like a "delete" for me, but I'm curious what others think. Anwegmann (talk) 17:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. Football figures whose playing and manager career is mostly confined to small clubs do not have exact material to support WP:GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of Scarborough F.C. players where he should be added. Giant Snowman 14:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't know, I don't think redirecting to the players article helps, seems to be an important figure for the club in the 1970s and 1980s, first as a player then as a manager. I'd prefer to keep, however if not, suggest a redirect to the club page Scarborough F.C. His name is mentioned four times on the page, twice as player of the year and twice as manager. As the content on the article is sourced, it maybe a good idea to merge some of the content. Deletion doesn't help anyone. Govvy (talk) 10:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think a keep is a bit much for this player, but I'd be totally amenable to a merge or redirect, for sure. Anwegmann (talk) 01:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seems to have been pretty prominent; though searching isn't helped by the fact that the same team had another prominent Harry Dunn at the same time... There's an interview here, and while an interview, it does note that "Harry became a legendary player for Scarborough Football Club. ... Harry Dunn, in what was a 22 year period from 1965 to 1986 you played over 900 games for Scarborough FC, you scored many goals and created many more. You had well over twice the number of appearances of any player in the Club’s history and well over three times the number of appearances by any local player. You have been described as: -the ever present Harry Dunn -competent, reliable and dependable -a calm presence on the field -a gentleman on and off the field – everything that was needed for a team captain to lead Scarborough Football Club to the success it enjoyed and particularly to those Wembley victories." Also some briefish pieces on him: [8] [9] [10] [11]. Kind of expected more... BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:06, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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James Clark (Politician)[edit]

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WP:BLP of a political figure, not properly sourced as passing WP:NPOL. As usual, unelected candidates for office do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates -- the notability test at NPOL is winning the election and thereby holding the office, while a candidate gets to have an article in advance of the election only if he can credibly claim to have already established permanent notability for other reasons besides the mere fact of being a candidate per se. But this makes no such claim, and is not referenced anywhere near well enough to claim that he would somehow pass WP:GNG in lieu of having to pass NPOL.
Obviously no prejudice against recreation after July 4 if he wins the seat, but nothing here is grounds for him to already have an article now. Bearcat (talk) 17:25, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Besides being a political candidate, I don't see notability. This reads as a biography, likely to help the political aspirations. I'm not finding anything beyond routine coverage of a political candidate, which helps inform the local populace, but not really helpful for Wikipedia. Oaktree b (talk) 19:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: the page is less than 90 days old and the subject might meet WP:NPOL if he wins the seat in the upcoming election. Notability criteria are not met yet, neither per WP:GNG nor WP:NPOL. Broc (talk) 19:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Bearcat. We generally do not want to keep drafts of political candidates as they could become a repository for campaign material. --Enos733 (talk) 02:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Wayward Realms[edit]

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The game has only recently launched a Kickstarter and while there seems to be a bunch of positive press about the potential of this eventual game, that does not mean that it will actually happen (a bit of WP:CRYSTAL combined with the unsure nature of Kickstarter campaigns). I'm not necessarily advocating deletion outright, but I also do not think this should have been accepted from the Draft space (new reviewer etc etc) and should be returned there until it's actually released. Primefac (talk) 18:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Per WP:NEXIST. There are a lot more PCGamesN articles, GamesRadar+ and GameStar, just to name a few. It's true that the article is poorly sourced, and I agree that it should not have been accepted, but now that it's in article space, these problems are surmountable by the proper cleanup and editing. Simply being a bad article accept should not be cause for deletion, that should be on the reviewer to own up to their mistake. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Great Lakes Arena Football[edit]

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Very minimal significant coverage from reliable sources; majority of sources are from a suspected fan site. Could not find recent coverage in a WP:BEFORE. Fails WP:GNG. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 15:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There's only one link to a Facebook page, the others are to a local newspaper while the others are to a very reliable site, which is in use for most minor league articles. This league is equivalent to the National League (division) in England (without the history). There's absolutely no reason to delete this article. Ccui123 (talk) 23:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Ccui123 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

Oppose I don't see any reason for deletion. This is a pro league, and the article is well sited. StanleyKey (talk) 00:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem I see here is I don't see any other source besides OurSportsCentral, Muskegon Sports, and local team sources. I'm expecting more than just those sources here. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 21:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose It's clearly a minor league and Our Sports Central is as good of a source you can get for leagues below the Major level. BabyBOY789 (talk) 21:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, there's Muskegon Sports for West Michigan Ironmen coverage, but what about coverage for the other teams? Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 21:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The league is not notable at all and there is no news articles on it except for small town news. Blake675 (talk) 23:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - other than the articles from "Muskegon Sports" there isn't anything else produced here or in the article to pass GNG. The Muskegon Sports articles are more relevant for the West Michigan Ironmen than this league anyway. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The Muskegon Sports articles are the only ones which could be considered to meet the WP:GNG and they mostly focus on only 1 team. Delete for a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with West Michigan Ironmen since the league is inextricably tied to that team and what reliable sources are available for it are in the context of that team. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 22:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Static Line (magazine)[edit]

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources and the article only links to primary sources. toweli (talk) 17:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Southport Sockman[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG, and probably WP:BLP1E and WP:NCRIME. Mdann52 (talk) 14:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Mildly amusing anecdote, but that doesn't make it notable. Athel cb (talk) 15:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it's very notable locally and across merseyside and lancashire 31.94.28.139 (talk) 12:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning keep on this one, though the article really does need to pull it's socks up. This was not a single incident, but rather a spree of incidents over several years - a lot of socks. Furthermore, although the court case is reported to have been in 1998 there does appear to be WP:SUSTAINED coverage of the UK-based "sockmen", including: coverage from Canada from 1996 (Medicine Hat News), a 2009 article ([12]), a film produced in 2015/16 (Liverpool Echo, IMDb, Mirror), a 2017 book ([13]), a Connecticut radio show in 2020 ([14]), and a retrospective article in 2021 (Daily Record). Coverage could be better, but does appear to be much more than "breaking news". ResonantDis_tortion 18:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I have reverted the vandalism where an IP had added a third name to the perpetrators, and also added some of the above refs as citations within the article. ResonantDis_tortion 19:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Events described in article are notable, as they have inspired multiple media products (per @ResonantDistortion's argument above, such as a film). Article could, however, benefit from some rewording/restructuring, and add a section that could cover its media adaptations. —Mjks28 (talk) 05:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Artur Ocheretny[edit]

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notable only from a single event, his marriage to Putin's ex-wife; WP:BLP1E applies Artem.G (talk) 15:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Argument in favor of keeping the article:

- I found this deletion request because I was interested in learning more about Ocheretny, I presume others may also be interested Blaadjes (talk) 08:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accidentally submitted before I was done, sorry, new to this!

Another reason:

He has been investigated and had properties seized, possibly he and his wife receive millions of dollars from Putin, which might make him more interesting to the public. The article could use some work, but I think it should stay. Blaadjes (talk) 08:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bash-n-the-Code[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 17:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Question is the Keith Lancaster mentioned Keith Lancaster? It seems likely to me they're different people based on the genre and timing. Jclemens (talk) 20:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment they had quite a few charted songs, see [15], including biographical bit that could be used as source. Broc (talk) 20:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless sources can be found that prove the article meets WP:N and is not WP:OR. I find it hard to believe a "musical derivative" of a band not deemed notable enough to have its own article (Found Free), is itself notable. —Mjks28 (talk) 03:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. Online I found this review, but this seems more like a blog. There are some coverage regarding shows, and on Newspapers.com all the coverage are of that nature. Mark Lee Townsend was a member by the way. Geschichte (talk) 04:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Lodge[edit]

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WP:BLP about the leader of an organization, not properly referenced as passing notability criteria for leaders of organizations. As always, just having a job is not "inherently" notable enough to exempt a person from having to pass WP:GNG on their sourcing -- but the content here is strictly on the level of "he is a person who has a job, the end", with absolutely no content about any specific things he did in the job, and the "referencing" consists entirely of his primary source staff profiles on the self-published websites of his own employers rather than any evidence of third-party reliable source coverage about his work in media or books. Bearcat (talk) 15:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I have added five more references to the point where I believe it passes WP:GNG, and I believe further references could be found to expand further. His role in shaping an international regulatory framework for deep sea mining seems significant. Uhooep (talk) 19:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of early-modern British women playwrights[edit]

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This is a duplicate list of Chronology of early-modern British women playwrights, just sorted alphabetically. Either this functionally should be merged into that article, or just use a category like Category:Women writers (early modern), which already sorts alphabetically. Having to maintain two identical lists is pointless. Gonnym (talk) 16:43, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Chronology of early-modern British women playwrights per above. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: Merge article with the aforementioned Chronology of early-modern British women playwrights, per arguments above. —Mjks28 (talk) 03:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LeadPoint[edit]

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Fails the notability guideline for companies. PROD removed back in 2009 by article creator. Sources are non-independent (e.g. press releases) or trivial (e.g. The Telegraph piece briefly mentions the company appears in a top-50 list). There's a lot in the FT Adviser but these seem to be thinly rehashed press releases (example), not independent analysis. – Teratix ₵ 16:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dr Ajay Kumar Singh[edit]

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Fails WP:NPOL, WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Subject isn’t inherently notable based on NPOL nor passes any of the other basic and general criteria. Sources are either routine converses or dependent on the subject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:NPOL, becoming an Mayor does not pass NPOL. Sources are not strong and in-depth so fails WP:GNG. Also I question the reliablity of LiveHindustan. GrabUp - Talk 16:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Mayors are not "inherently" notable just for existing, and have to be shown to pass WP:NPOL #2 on the amount of substance that can be written and the amount of sourcing that can be shown about their political impact — but this amounts to "he is a mayor who exists, the end", and is not referenced anywhere close to well enough to get him over the bar. Bearcat (talk) 17:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Mayor of an area with a population of 700,000 plus people suggests notability, but I don't find coverage of this person. If sources can be located, willing to revisit my !vote. Oaktree b (talk) 19:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:NPOL, becoming an Mayor does not pass WP:NPOL. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 06:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael J. Nicholson[edit]

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Fails WP:NPOL, WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Subject isn’t inherently notable based on NPOL nor passes any of the other basic and general criteria. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This is essentially "he is a mayor who exists, the end" — but mayors are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to pass WP:NPOL #2 on WP:GNG-worthy media coverage analyzing their political impact: specific things they did, specific projects they spearheaded, specific effects their mayoralty had on the development of the city, and on and so forth. But there's no content like that here, and the article is "referenced" entirely to primary sources that are not support for notability at all, with not even one bit of GNG-worthy coverage about him shown whatsoever. Bearcat (talk) 17:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Primary sourcing from the town's website says he's the first Hispanic individual and the city's youngest mayor, which suggest notability. I can't find sourcing about this person, other than being appointed to a position in the fashion industry. Nothing for notability that I can find. Oaktree b (talk) 19:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Droners[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG. Tagged for notability since 2022.

None of the other 6 language articles appears to have any citations that can be used to establish notability.

Previous AfD ended in no consensus, so I am trying again to determine if this is notable and should be kept, or if it isn't and should be deleted or redirected. DonaldD23 talk to me 13:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Cyber Group Studios#Animated televiision series (is possible but rather) keep as it was broadcast internationally on major networks and existing coverage online allows to verify it. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC) (Edited to change from R to K; -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Comment: This Variety article says: "“Droners” proved a hit for French broadcaster TF1, leading it and Germany’s WDR to quickly greenlight Season 2, Mathieu noted. The show has also gone to Disney for a second window in France as well as to JEI TV in South Korea." It's likely that there's coverage in French media, if anyone can find it. Toughpigs (talk) 16:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, found and added some (you need to search hard because a lot of primary sources come first; and I didn't search that hard but given the broadcast and sources found, I'd rather keep this; thanks-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Delete: This is all I can find in French sources [16], it's trivial coverage. Delete for lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 00:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am inviting participants who don't wish to search for more to read the first Afd (:D) and check new sources on the page...thanks.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alan Read (activist)[edit]

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Only 1 article links to this, the suburb where he is from. The sources are all primary and mostly not significant coverage. The obituary cited is by the organisation he was involved in so it's not independent. Article worked on by an editor with same surname. LibStar (talk) 13:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No notable information. A similar article could be written about just about anyone. Athel cb (talk) 14:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 16:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Troy Stetina[edit]

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I nominated this before but it was closed as no consensus since there were no other participates. Same reasoning as before applies: fails WP:MUSICBIO and quite promotional. Can’t find any in-depth sources on the subject. The cited Washington Post article [17] is about the subject’s father, Wayne Stetina. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Comment~~ Strong Delete. I suggest that, if nobody comes to support it, it should be considered as a prod. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. This subject is not notable enough for an article. Qflib (talk) 03:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. To be notable through publishing works on how to play guitar, we would need in-depth published reviews of those works, and I don't see them. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Very Weak Keep on a hunch (i.e., easily overruled). Coverage is basically blog and genre-magazine style, which needs a lot to add up to notability, but there is a lot out there (even discounting some that seem more like PR/Press-release interview type). Head of department (conservatories often don't have traditional academic ranks) but of a small department. Each part of his career adds up to slightly less than the relevant notability guideline, but together they peek just over the edge for me. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 21:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any non-blog, non-PR sources you would like to share? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He is well known in the guitar community and among musicians for his instruction releases. The problem is that this article is poorly sourced so I can see why it attracts a deletion nom. I know that his Left-Handed Guitar: The Complete Method by Stetina, Troy (2001) is quite popular. Yes of course, it takes more than good sales. His Fretboard Mastery was very popular too. He's had articles about him in various guitar mags both paper and online. The Guitarist magazine March 1993 is one. He had article beside Dominic Miller and Tony Zemaitis as you can see. The Guitar Noise website which is a huge go-to source for axmen and axeladies refers to Stetina as an "internationally recognized guitarist and music educator". There's others too but I don't want to get too caught up with this one. Further info below
* This is from the magazine, Modern Drummer, September 1993 - Page 106 SPEED AND THRASH METAL DRUM METHOD by Troy Stetina and Charlie Busher.
* And there's an article by Stetina published in Guitar One, Volume 9, No 2 February 2006 - Page 176 RETURN OF THE SHRED Come Together Two Essential Hybrid Scales
There's more but searching gets flooded with the dozens of releases he has had put out. Karl Twist (talk) 12:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Those two books on Amazon have about 200 reviews each. This one is ranked 16,000+ in Music Instruction & Study. By no stretch of the imagination are these "popular" books and they don't contribute to notability.
- Is this an article he wrote?
- 1) The Guitar Noise website seems to be just a group blog about how to play the guitar. 2) The link you gave is just him responding to someone else's comment. That "internationally recognized" line is a promotional line he wrote himself (as per his own website).
- The two articles in Modern Drummer and Guitar one are articles written by Stetina not articles about Stetina. They don't contribute to notability. You would need to find in-depth articles about Stetina.
Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the Amazon books have more reviews than releases by so-called main-stream artists. They do appear to be quite popular! And I wasn't trying to use them as proof of notability. Just to give an idea of what the guy's exposure is. Somebody in Germany must have heard of him, there's a German Wikipedia article (needs work) See here.
Forget the Guitar Noise one, that wasn't the one I meant to put in. Sorry. It was another online music news source. I have to try and remember. There was also a reliable source good size review on that I thought I had put in but for the life of me it's vanished. I went back though the page history and it isn't there. Maybe I thought I did. Perhaps it was on notepad, and I closed it before I had edited it in. It was similar to the Fret 12 review but not related to the sale of the product. The Modern Drummer (if it isn't about him) and Guitar One still show his profile. They are well-respected and notable publications. Well, there's no article page for Guitar One yet.
The articles below are relaible,

OnMilwaukee, Apr 07, 2005 - Despite impressive resume, Stetina lacks name recognition at home By Bobby Tanzilo

Metal Shock Finland, October 13, 2011 - Interview with TROY STETINA: Music truly is the world’s best hope to cross borders, cross cultures and show humanity what we have in common. Interview by Mohsen Fayyazi

Maximum Ink Madison's music magazine, September 2012 - Second Soul
AN INTERVIEW WITH TROY STETINA OF SECOND SOUL BY MIKE HUBERTY

Guitariste Metal, 3 Octobre 2014 - Troy Stetina interview
And these below are helpful,

The Journal Times, Sep 25, 2013 - Center Stage /Oversoulss /5-19 - By Loreen Mohr

The Journal Times, - Center Stage/Oversoulss - By Loreen Mohr
Easily notable! He's had a huge influence on a good amount of major notable guitarists. I can find more but I have been drawn into this as I do sometimes and have neglected other stuff.
Thanks
Karl Twist (talk) 11:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but almost all of those sources are interviews with the subject. Interviews are considered primary sources and they don’t contribute to notability. The only non-interview source in there is the Journal Times article. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again Dr. Swag Lord . Well actually the first part of the OnMilwaukee article is not interview. The subject was researched (as it's the normal procedure) before the interview was conducted. And if considered primary, it's not like it's from the subject's own site anyway. Yes, I understand that primary sources and sources related to the subject themselves cannot be used to support content in a page. By that's not what we're looking at. We're looking at the status of the subject and the reliable sources that support the assertion that he is a notable person. The Maximum Ink is similar. Well, the first 196 worlds / 15 sentences (not including the title) are about him and not by him. The interview is secondary. There are two Journal Times articles. Then there's the Modern Drummer article by Matt Pieken about his book-cd combo, Speed and Thrash Metal Drum Method that he did with Charlie Bushor. It's about his work, not written by him.
Going on what user Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert said earlier with "together they peek just over the edge", well with what I've come up with, the interviews by respected news sources etc., his contributions to major music magazines etc., collectively they well and truly sit on top of the table. And the Modern Drummer review proves it more. And this below, a C&P of what I edited into the article page,
According to La Scena Musicale, Stetina was booked along with Leo Kottke, Antoine Dufour, Ana Vidovic, and Jonathan Kreisberg to appear at the Wilson Center Guitar Competition & Festival which ran from August 13 to 15, 2015, at the Sharon Lynne Wilson Center for the Arts. La Scena Musicale, 3 August 2015 - International Guitar Legends Headlining Wilson Center Guitar Competition & Festival: 2015 Artists include Leo Kottke, Antoine Dufour, Ana Vidovic, Jonathan Kreisberg, Troy Stetina
It's obvious when Stetina is mentioned in the same headline such as these premier artists, he's well and widely known in various fields and notable. His volume of work speaks for itself, especially when artists such as Mark Tremonti, Michael Angelo Batio, Bill Peck, and Eric Friedman appear on Troy Stetina: The Sound and the Story etc. etc.. For him not to be notable would be an exception to the rule.

Karl Twist (talk) 06:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Modern Drummer article is a short review of one of Stetina’s books. It has no in-depth content of the subject’s life or activities.

Please note, the article in La Scena Musicale is an example of WP:SPONSORED content. At the bottom of the article it states: “LSM Newswire is La Scena's Newswire service. Organizations can post a press release on our website for a fee. See the media kit at our advertising page at https://myscena.org/advertising”. Since that is an ad paid for by the band it is not RS and does not add to notability.

You say there’s two Journal Times articles, but you linked to the same one twice.

Please take a look at WP:NOTINHERITED. Just because the subject has been associated with notable individuals does not make him notable himself.

Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On a further note, “metalshockfinland.com” and “guitariste-metal.fris” are certainly not RSs (obviously blog sources). Also, Maximum Ink seems WP:QS at best. There’s no published editorial board, no published editorial policies. Additionally, it’s quite suspicious that the article links to the Wikipedia page of Tony Stetina and links to places where you can purchase Stetina’s CD (seems pretty promotional to me). Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 00:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the Modern Drummer review isn't what I would call short. It's an acceptable size. It's not supposed to be about an "in-depth content of the subject’s life or activities". It's a review of his work.

Ok if one of them such as La Scena Musicale is an example of WP:SPONSORED content. There's enough of the other! And as I mentioned with Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert saying "but together they peek just over the edge for me", I go further and say there's enough reliable stuff to sit him on top of the table!

Sorry my bad about the Journal Times. Yes, it was one article. There was the additional updated page.

Well the WP:NOTINHERITED would be the card to pull out if there were no other good supporting info about him. But thankfully there is! The point I made about him being associated with notable individuals was that he is regarded as prominent.

“metalshockfinland.com” and “guitariste-metal.fris” are possibly blog type in format. But the first one has been used to reference around fifty+ pages here, (most of them about heavy metal no surprise) and is a respected source of info.

Nothing suspicious or promotional about the German page for Troy Stetina. Because he's been so prolific with his published works, the searches get flooded with them and for someone who has German as a first language and English as second, this is how a page would be likely to add up. I'm not going to make any assertions about lazy editing because I'm not going to judge an editor's ability. I'd just go with the language thing.
Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 09:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well since the topic of this article is Troy Stetina, the Modern Dummer review fails WP:SIGCOV. There’s no material about Stetina specifically. If you really think metal shock Finland is an RS, then I think I’ll open up a discussion on RSN. Also, I never mentioned the German Wikipedia page—I was referencing the Maximum Ink article that has a link at the bottom directing us to Stetina’s en WP page. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I opened a RSN discussion on the above source: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#metalshockfinland Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 22:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Modern Drummer article doesn't fail anything! It's just a good review of a release of his. A review in a well-respected publication. Actually, you said earlier (18:29, 11 June 2024) that it was written by him. It was actually written by Matt Pieken. And actually, I believe that somewhere here someone said that there were no reviews of his work. Well there's the Matt Pieken review in Modern Drummer and another which I have to re-find. Incidentally, Pieken has done reviews for artists such as Jane's Addiction. And OK, minus one Metal Shock by Mohsen Fayyazi if it be so. Well, we still have good enough on him to support the Keep status.
Yes, I see that you've opened an RSN discussion on Metal Shock. OK, what can I say.
The fact that Stetina has written for two of the two of the biggest selling guitar mags is additional proof of his status. He was employed by Guitar One and wrote for Guitar World. Just a quick grab of the Ozwinds site where it says, "Go inside the mind of one of the most accomplished guitar instructors in history", you said something previously that this was copied from his website. Well, perhaps one or two others may have done this, or he has copied on to his website what has been said about him. Most to the majority of sites refer to him as something similar, I guess this is because this is what he is!
To tell the truth I'm not that keen on heavy metal or this type of music. I had heard of Stetina in the past but didn't know that much about him. If I didn't think he was notable I would have just gone for a re-direct or maybe wouldn't have bothered at all.
Karl Twist (talk) 06:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I really don’t think where he was employed or what magazines he written for are relevant for notability. Do you have any other sources to share? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 18:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin, Even though I believe there's enough on Troy Stetina to warrant a keep, could I ask please that if the consensus eventually leans towards a deletion, you might consider redirecting rather than deleting? There are a number of possibilities. One would be Mark Tremonti who has a historical and ongoing musical association with Stetina. There was already a mention of him there on the page. I have also done a bit more. There's other content that would eventually go in there as per the normal growth of an article. This is regardless of a deletion or not. If in the event of a deletion consideration, that would probably be the best. Perhaps if the Guitar One article was created, that would be another one as Stetina was involved with the magazine for some time as a writer and contributor. Then there could be his brothers Dale and Wayne where a paragraph could be. They're only stubs at the moment. With a re-direct, the history can be preserved which IMO is always a good thing.
I would like to do more to fix the subject's page as it is a mess. Sadly, my time is limited and I am neglecting other things. Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 07:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
Left-Handed Guitar: The Complete Method by Stetina, Troy	Book authored by Stetina			✘ No
Fretboard Mastery [With CD] by Troy Stetina	Book authored by Stetina			✘ No
Guitar Noise	Stetina is responding to a reader's comment	Appears to be a WP:BLOG		✘ No
Modern Drummer Issue 166			~ This is a review of one of Stetina's books. There is no mention/WP:SIGCOV of Stetina at all	~ Partial
Guitar One Magazine February 2006	Article authored by Stetina			✘ No
OnMilwaukee Interview	WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject			✘ No
Metalshockfinland	WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject	Seems to be a randomWP:SPS		✘ No
Maximum Ink Interview	WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject	? A non-notable, local music magazine. Can't find editorial polices, editorial board, etc.. The interview also contains a link to Stetina's Wikipedia page at the bottom and links to purchase the subject's CDs. Appears WP:QS and WP:PROMOTIONAL		✘ No
guitariste-metal.fr	WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject	Appears to be a random WP:SPS		✘ No
Ad in La Seine Musicale	WP:SPONSORED-content by the band	WP:SPONSORED-content by the band		✘ No
The Journal Times				✔ Yes
Billboard Jan 1995			Single, passing mention of Stetina of a video he hosted	✘ No
www.ultimate-guitar.com	? Likely a press release	As per WP:MUSIC/SOURCES, Ultimate Guitar is only reliable for “articles written by the "UG Team" or any writer with reliable credentials elsewhere.” This particular reference has no bylined author so it likely a press release/WP:UGC.		✘ No
Musicradar	Interview with one of Stetina's bandmates		~	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 20:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep as there is enough coverage in total including prose part of interviews, and a review for a narrow pass of WP:GNG. Also Ultimate Guitar is listed as a reliable source at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources although the particular reference is possibly a press release so doesn't help, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interviews don’t count towards GNG as they are a primary source. Also Ultimate Guitar is only reliable for “articles written by the "UG Team" (list of staff writers) or any writer with reliable credentials elsewhere.” As you stated, the reference is likely a press release. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 19:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Dr. Swag Lord, your created document isn't an official guide to follow! Also, it isn't accurate!

Actually, the OnMilwaukee Interview that you mention (properly named:"Despite impressive resume, Stetina lacks name recognition at home" By Bobby Tanzilo) is an article-interview combo. The article part is sufficient to support the page.
The Maximum Ink Interview (Properly named:"Second Soul

AN INTERVIEW WITH TROY STETINA OF SECOND SOUL" BY MIKE HUBERTY ) is an article and interview combo. The article section is sufficient to support the page

The La Seine Musicale wasn't sponsored by the band. If sponsored as you say as per "LSM Newswire is La Scena's Newswire service. Organizations can post a press release on our website for a fee.", which band as you say?? Was it Leo Kottke, Antoine Dufour, Ana Vidovic, or Jonathan Kreisberg?
The Metal Shock Finland, October 13, 2011 interview is an interview yes. It has been used around 50 plus times here to reference articles. I'm not putting it forth as a supporter for the page.
I'm trying to find the article that goes with this eBay photo of Troy Stetina. The photographer was George P. Koshollek and it is date-stamped FR DEC 5 1986 as per on the back. The cut-out stub says "Roll over, Beethoven. Here comes Troy Stetina" and has -Sentinel photo beside it. Could it be from the Milwaukee Sentinel?
I even more stand by what I said that Stetina is a notable subject. His being a writer for two of the largest guitar mags in the US as well as holding guitar clinics in events that have internationally known prestigious artists is just one aspect. Many others ... etc. etc. etc. Below is an interesting indicator from Jstor,
BOOK CHAPTER
But That Doesn’t Help Me on Guitar!: Unraveling the Myth of the
Self-Taught Metal Guitarist
Kevin EbertFrom: Connecting Metal to Culture: Unity in Disparity, Intellect (2017)
Edition: 1
...and Heavy Metal Lead Guitar Vol. 1&2 by Troy Stetina are two such examples. Also noteworthy is his 1991,
Speed Mechanics for Lead Guitar In an interview with Guitariste Métal, Stetina was asked about his sales figure
he replied: Speed Mechanics for Lead Guitar is the biggest seller now. Maybe 300,000...
Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 04:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Karol Stuchlák[edit]

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2014 Winter Olympics#Luge as ATD because I could not find any in-depth coverage about this luger to meet WP:GNG. All I found on news websites were passing mentions about his participation at the tournament. He was not even on top three luge winners. There are two interlanguage Wikipedia in Norsk Bokmål (Norwegian) and Slovak, the latter of which might help copy over English article, but neither said wiki's provide significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Agree with the suggested Redirect. Only database sources can be found, no in-depth coverage, does not fulfill WP:SPORTSCRIT.

@Clariniie: if there is a viable WP:ATD such as a blank-and-redirect like here, you can be WP:BOLD and do it directly without going through AfD, especially if you think it's uncontroversial. Broc (talk) 15:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2027 Serbian presidential election[edit]

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It is still WP:TOOEARLY to create this article. There are no sources discussing the topic and the election can be held earlier than in 2027. For example, the article for the previous 2022 presidential election was created 1 year before the elections, considering that we had sources discussing the topic and potential presidential candidates. This is not the case for the 2027 election. Vacant0 (talk) 10:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Move to draft space Braganza (talk) 11:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is eligible for an article at the moment if there are sources discussing it, but there currently are not any in the article, it's all about the past election. So if sources exist for "Next Serbian presidential election," that could be created, but the article on its face is TOOSOON. SportingFlyer T·C 11:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Per nom, article is WP:TOOSOON. —Mjks28 (talk) 04:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swat lynching incident[edit]

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Horrible and highly condemnable incident but fails NEVENT. WP is not newspaper. Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've merged the content into List of blasphemy cases in Pakistan to ensure that editors' efforts are not wasted. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with List of blasphemy cases in Pakistan, per @Saqib's comment. Incident isn't WP:N enough to warrant an article. —Mjks28 (talk) 00:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S. P. Sailaja Telugu Songs[edit]

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WP:NOTDIRECTORY. According to S. P. Sailaja article, she sang over 10,000 songs. A full (and unreferenced!) list of them is completely unwarranted. Broc (talk) 09:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:

Broc (talk) 09:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to S. P. Sailaja -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete for ALL. No sources on this page. It is just a simple listing without showing encyclopedic merit. RangersRus (talk) 14:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All - The previous voter and nominator are correct, as these are simple lists without encyclopedic value or evidence of notability. Also, since nobody ever caught the fact that the articles should have "List of..." in their titles, they have probably gone unnoticed by readers looking for knowledge in Wikipedia. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sack of Wiślica[edit]

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As

a follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruthenian raid on Poland (1135) (nominated by User:TimothyBlue; closed as no consensus on 6 April 2024); and
a formalised continuation of the informal discussion at Talk:Sack of Wiślica#Historiography (2–5 June 2024, with an extensive examination of the sources used, and its complete absence in Kievan Rus' / Ruthenian chronicles where one would expect the 1135 raid and the alleged 1136 counter-raid to be mentioned); and
a parallel to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Polish raid on Kievan Rus' (1136) (currently has little participation, but seems to be heading for a weak delete),

I hereby formally propose to either draftify Sack of Wiślica (if any editor is willing to adopt it), or to redirect it to Wiślica#History. (Note: Ruthenian raid on Poland (1135) was renamed to Sack of Wiślica on 3 June 2024‎ by agreement between NLeeuw and Piotrus on the talk page, so this could be regarded as a 2nd nomination of Ruthenian raid on Poland (1135)).

Rationale: WP:NOPAGE; fails WP:SIGCOV for WP:GNG for a stand-alone page, and the sources used so far create WP:POV issues as well. It is one of several dubious articles written by now-blocked User:SebbeKg (previously we agreed to delete SebbeKg's article Bolesław II the Bold's expedition to Kiev (1076–1077) on 27 May). Editors seem to agree that the event took place, but nothing for certain can be said about in detail, as all the sources cited are either WP:PRIMARY (Kadłubek, and in the case of Długosz someone who wrote centuries later and added details that are not historically credible), or WP:USERGENERATED & WP:POV (in the case of KWORUM), or WP:SELFPUB (in the case of Dawne Kieleckie). Everyone agrees that the only substantial WP:RS is Benyskiewicz (2020), and that this source alone is not enough.

The disagreement is that User:Piotrus would like to keep a stand-alone page based on RS that are yet to be found, and that someone else should find and add these yet-to-be-found RS (citing WP:BEFORE), whereas User:Marcelus and I think that this event could easily be summarised in 1 to 3 sentences in Wiślica#History by reference to Benyskiewicz (2020), at least for now. Alternately, Marcelus and I think the current article could be draftified for now, but Piotrus has declined my offer to adopt it as a draft, citing having too little time to do it himself, and proposing to add Template:Sources exist to motivate other users to do it instead. However, the template does not allow such usage (see also Wikipedia:But there must be sources!). I have argued that the present situation of keeping the article in the mainspace as is, is not acceptable either, because it evidently is not ready for the mainspace (if it ever merits a stand-alone article at all).

So, if nobody is willing to adopt the draft, Marcelus and I are proposing to redirect Sack of Wiślica to Wiślica#History until an editor (Piotrus or someone else) finds enough material, based on WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS, written with an WP:NPOV, for a stand-alone page, and has written that page. I already created such a redirect WP:BOLDly, which was BOLDly reverted by Piotrus, and that is fine per WP:BRD. But if there is consensus in this AfD to create a redirect, this may not be reverted BOLDly again until the conditions above for a stand-alone page are met.

Other than that I would like to say that I have generally enjoyed cooperating with Piotrus on this topic amicably. But a formal decision seems to be necessary to break the deadlock on the future of this article, and Piotrus has suggested that taking it to AfD a second time might settle the matter, so here I am. Good day to everyone. :) NLeeuw (talk) 06:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. As I said on article's talk page, we have one in-depth academic source already, and indications that more sources exist (but are hard to access due to being Polish and not digitized well): "BEFORE search in GBooks in Polish strongly suggests other sources exist. Ex. this book by Gerard Labuda mentions keywords "Wiślicy" "1135" (together) on five distinct pages (but sadly I can only get snippet view for two or three). That book is a bit old (1962), but here for example is a more modern one, from 2006, that mentions those keywords together on 15 (!) pages (seems reliable, published by an academic organization, and the writer is a historian associated with Jan Kochanowski University, no pl wiki article yet). I could look for more sources, but I don't have time & will and I think this shows that we can reasonably assume sources on the sack of Wiślica in 1135 exist and the topic is notable." The article needs to be expanded from those academic seconday sources (it is trye much of what we have is PRIMARY), but WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP. The topic seems notable.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and good summary of my position by the nominator Marcelus (talk) 09:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and/or userfy - we cannot keep indefinitely an article without reliable modern coverage. - Altenmann >talk 23:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Indeed you are right the article should be written in a few sentences I would propose this :

In 1182, Casimir was involved in disputes over power in Halicko-Wlodzimierska Rus'. In that year, Casimir's army attacked Brest, with the intention of installing Svyatoslav Mstislavovich, son of Agnes, daughter of Boleslav the Wry-mouthed and Salomea of Berg, on the throne there.

Svyatoslav's candidacy was opposed by Agnes's younger sons, with whom Prince Vsevolod of Bełsk set out for Brest, along with reinforcements from the principalities of Vladimir and Halych, and the Yotvingians and Polovtsians. Casimir eventually won a victory over the reinforcements coming to Brest's rescue, and also captured the city itself. He achieved his political goal, and installed his chosen prince Sviatoslav on the throne. The 1182 expedition to Brest was thus his complete success. This state of affairs did not last long - after a short time the established prince was poisoned. The exact date of this event is not clear; it probably happened as early as 1183. Casimir did not fail to act, and installed his other nephew, Prince Roman Mstislavovich of Vladimir, on the throne

Source

Józef Dobosz: Kazimierz II Sprawiedliwy. Poznań: 2014, p. 153-155.

Mistrz Wincenty (tzw. Kadłubek): Kronika polska. tłum. i oprac. Brygida Kürbis, Wrocław: 1992 s. ks. IV, chapter 14, p. 217. Birczenin (talk) 20:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isha Malviya[edit]

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The article heavily relies on unreliable sources as per WP:ICTFSOURCES. Single significant role in Udaariyaan. Does not meet WP:SIGCOV and WP:N. Editingmylove (talk) 02:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: At least one significant award won and 3 significant award nominations have her meet WP:ANYBIO imv. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Eye raising nomination, but that aside, I think this is close. There is a lot of fancruft references, interviews, general announcements, WP:NEWSORGINDIA, etc. And, winning an award or appearing on a television show does not give inherent notability (I think the Indian Telly Awards individual categories may not meet notability either). However, there are at least two references that are bylined and not just routine announcements here and here. I'll reserve a !vote at the moment in hopes someone can point out coverage that isn't routine. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak delete: most coverage is about the TV show Big Boss [18], I wouldn't call it extensive coverage. This is a RS, but what's used in the article are all marginal reliability sources per Cite Highlighter, so I'm not sure we have enough to keep the article. Oaktree b (talk) 22:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jonathan Pageau[edit]

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Article about a non-notable religious leader and speaker. Fails WP:GNG. Sources are self-published and opinion piece. No actual WP:SIGCOV on the subject. Maybe a case of WP:TOOSOON. Jamiebuba (talk) 07:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment we can agree that Jonathan Pageau is not world famous. At all. However within a specialist sphere of religious communities interested in orthodox and catholic art, as seen by treatments in various religious journals, the artist has received significant coverage. Hence the artist's thought and work is discussed in the following reliable sources:

East, Brad (2024-05-08). "Digital Lectors for a Postliterate Age". ChristianityToday.com. Retrieved 2024-06-24.
Brierley, Justin. "I saw Jordan Peterson at the O2 last night. He's asking all the right questions". Premier Christianity. Retrieved 2024-03-13.
Dreher, Rod (2024-03-02). "Jonathan Pageau: A Prophet Rises From Quebec and YouTube". europeanconservative.com. Retrieved 2024-03-13.
Taylor, Darrick (2024-04-09). "Jordan Peterson and the Apocalypse". Crisis Magazine. Retrieved 2024-05-21.
Carr, Kathleen. "Jonathan Pageau". Catholic Art Institute. Retrieved 2024-03-13.
Barron, Bishop Robert (2021-10-13). "How to live a meaningful life". The Catholic Voice. Retrieved 2024-05-21.
"'Living Tradition' Symposium in Charleston, SC". OrthoChristian.Com. Retrieved 2024-05-31.

And there are also primary sources that have been used in the current iteration of the article, but they are not needed to establish notability, rather they seem to be used for descriptive statements of facts. I believe from the above sources that it's established the subject is notable, albeit within a very particular field of endeavour. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 01:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One perspective is clear: while Pageau's outlook is primarily religious, much of what he has done is applicable to secular art as well. It is erroneous to characterize his impact as only 'religious' (personally, I find such characterization as typical of the non-NPOV shown by people hostile to religion).

I found the concluding pages of his Snow White and the Widow Queen - a non-religious text, I might add - to be clever and original. More books in this series of fairy tales are still to be published.

Yes, I can see where people might conclude that WP:TOOSOON might apply, but he already has a substantial published body of work - well, more substantial than my four unpublished books (ha!). Also, he has been interviewed over and over by and collaborated with people judged to be notable such as Jordan Peterson, Robert Barron, Paul Kingsnorth, and Gavin Ashenden: they think he is notable.

Thank you for listening. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 02:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to have you join in the discussion @Tfdavisatsnetnet - I know you're strongly interested in this topic. To be fair to the administrators looking at the discussion here, they will only be interested in whether the subject of the article is notable, as seen by good secondary sources. However, you do make a valuable point here, in that known writers write about the subject at hand, so Rod Dreher writes about Jonathan Pageau and Robert Barron talks about (and talks with) Jonathan Pageau and Paul Kingsnorth writes about Jonathan Pageau, all of which would indicate, to me, that there is substantial coverage of the subject (while not being exactly world famous). MatthewDalhousie (talk) 03:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it comes down to: do YouTube videos count as much as printed material? If so, then Jonathan Pageau IS notable, despite the fact that the sources are primary and not secondary. Again, personally I find him to be far more notable than many others. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 04:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Date with Death[edit]

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The intent of this is not to be WP:BITEy with a new editor, but they did move the draft to mainspace themselves rather than go through WP:AFC so I think it's fair game. I am reasonably certain this game fails WP:GNG, with the only two reliable sources with significant coverage being PC Gamer and Siliconera, with Siliconera being the only real review. GameGrin/Noisy Pixel are considered unreliable by WP:VG/S and the reliability of The Boss Rush Network seems doubtful. Obviously it's not a commentary on the quality of the game, it's simply objectively stating it is not notable enough for a page. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Firstly, I believe the Template:Notability tag should have been applied to the article rather than outright proposed deletion. Secondly, WP:HELPAFD states, “On Wikipedia, the general inclusion threshold is whether the subject is notable enough for at least two people to have written something substantive (more than just a mention) about that subject that has been published in a reliable source. “ These guidelines are met here. ThanatosApprentice (talk) 22:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second Battle of Robotyne[edit]

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We do not need a page for every minor battle in this war. The bulk of the paragraph for the battle consisted of Russian Telegram links and ISW sources. The links to the ISW sources were dead, and I couldn't access which date the sources were coming from. The sources reporting the Russian capture of the town and second battle could easily be input into the page for Robotyne itself, as it doesn't have SIGCOV or notability in the sources mentioned to establish the second battle as it's own page.

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I agree, since we never created page for first battle of Robotyne during 2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive, but instead have a information in 2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive and Robotyne pages so I don't think it will be necessary to create page for second battle of Robotyne either. Hyfdghg (talk) 19:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging @Super Dromaeosaurus, @Alexiscoutinho, @Cinderella157, @RadioactiveBoulevardier, and @RopeTricks as they're all active in pages regarding the invasion of Ukraine. Jebiguess (talk) 21:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify seems the best course of action for now. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 21:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree it is hardly notable and barely has a tactical or strategic importance. In fact, it's mostly a symbolic victory to undo the Ukrainian counteroffensive. If Russia reaches the trenches further north and levels the front, then we can start talking about some tactical notability. With that being said, I don't mind a draftification. And by the way, what's the deal with the generic dev-isw refs?! Where are the editors getting them from?! Alexis Coutinho (talk) 22:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to the user @HappyWith, the ProveIt citation tool has a serious problem with ISW pages; see discussion 1, discussion 2, discussion 3. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 05:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see. Thanks! Alexis Coutinho (talk) 03:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's terrible. I highly recommend someone contact the dev of the ProveIt code and try to get that fixed, because it's caused so many well-meaning editors - including myself several times - to unintentionally add completely useless, broken cites to articles about very important topics. HappyWith (talk) 17:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, we don't need an article for every minor battle. We must weigh coverage against WP:NOTNEWS (routine coverage) when we are mainly confined to NEWSORG sources. Content is best placed at the town's article and potentially in a higher level article. Cinderella157 (talk) 22:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my view, this conflict in particular has revealed the limitations of NEWSORGs wrt fog of war. Hindsight, on the other hand is 20/20. A good example is Battle of Moshchun, which was only created eleven momths later. Follow-on sources can change the picture considerably. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 11:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete thank you Jebiguess for starting this AfD and for pinging me. I agree with the topic not being notable. The engagements during the 2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive in Robotyne were much more notable, being the bulk of the counteroffensive at its later stages, and yet it doesn't have a page (nor should it have one). These engagements are significantly less notable and there isn't much distinguishing them from other Russian-led offensive actions in the frontline during this time other than the symbolic value. By the way, perhaps my sources of information on the war are biased, but as far as I know Robotyne hasn't fallen and has been subject to a back-and-forth, the contents of the article maybe contain original research. The start and end dates most likely do, as usual with these articles on minor engagements.

I personally don't care if the article is draftified but I really don't see it becoming an article ever in the future so we might as well not delay its fate and delete it. Super Ψ Dro 22:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think this is the right course of action to take. Yes, the sources are questionable, but I think the better solution is to find better sources and update information accordingly. And yes, it’s a minor battle tactically, but it’s an important battle symbolically, as the liberation of Robotnye was one of the only gains made during Ukraine’s 2023 counteroffensive. LordOfWalruses (talk) 02:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment expanding on my “draftify” vote…first of all the battle isn’t even over. And while the Russians may see it as merely a psychological thing, at least one Ukrainian source (Bohdan Myroshnykov) has written in strong terms that the defense of Robotyne is key to the defense of Orikhiv, much as Synkivka is key to the defense of Kupiansk. The idea behind draftifying is that drafts are cheap, and even though notability isn’t super likely to emerge from follow-on analyses, some material is likely be useful for related articles. I’ll address others’ points separately. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 11:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't oppose draftifying but I'm not certain of a benefit/distinction between that and moving relevant content to Robotyne for example (if not already there). For the benefit of others, retaining it as a draft (for now) does not imply it will become an article, only that it might become an article if good quality sources (rather than routine NEWSORG reporting) indicate long-term notability. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Calabar Chic[edit]

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Fails WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. There’s in short, no piece that is independent of the subject to establish notability. BEFORE does not provide anything different. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List_of_Nigerian_actors#Actresses: she has some credits in films and coverage, although including a lot of interviews (but a lot, and in various media), allow to verify she's a Nigerian actress who might have a certain notoriety. Hence this WP:ATD -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:37, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

-->Changing to Keep per WP:HEY thanks to the work of User:Ahola .O since nomination, including sources showing a certain notability as comedian.

Delete Limited coverage, no evidence she meets the guidelines. Not in favour of redirection, per WP:LISTPURP and no point redirecting to a page where she isn't mentioned. Mdann52 (talk) 18:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep From my search, subject seems notable and has significant coverage. She has featured in some films and has some level of notability in comedy. I made some improvements on the page as well. I hope it helps Mevoelo (talk) 20:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: I agree with moving the article about Calabar Chic to the List of Nigerian Actresses, which is a more general page. Due to a lack of coverage, the article doesn't meet WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG guidelines. Redirecting will put her mentions in the right place. It will keep helpful content while following Wikipedia's guidelines. It also links the subject to a relevant, broader topic.--AstridMitch (talk) 05:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I also agree to keep the page because she meets WP:NACTOR guidelines, she has roles in notable films, television shows, stage performances, and other productions, some are listed on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahola .O (talk • contribs) 06:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was not going to reply specifically to anyone in this discussion, but I have to now since I think you’re misinterpreting NACTOR. One thing is for the films they starred in to be notable, another thing is for their roles in the films to be significant. This is not the case here even in the tiniest bit. Her roles in these films was a significant role, she clearly doesn’t pass the guideline. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aside from some interviews and passing mentions, there is not enough to fulfill WP:GNG. As she only had minor roles, WP:NACTOR is not fulfilled either. A redirect to List of Nigerian actors#Actresses as mentioned above is not feasible per WP:LISTPEOPLE. Non-notable subjects should not be included in lists of people. Hence my recommendation to Delete, perhaps just a case of WP:TOOSOON. Broc (talk) 08:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 2021 English Channel disaster[edit]

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The article concerns a single incident of the ongoing English Channel migrant crossings (2018–present) and does not need to have its own article. Firsttwintop (talk) 22:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep (at least for now) - I could be wrong but it being the most deadly of these reported incidents makes it notable right? Maybe in the future if (heaven forbid) something else happens that may not ring true but right now it is. 2406:5A00:CC0A:9200:F885:F46D:3F46:5787 (talk) 06:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main article notes the incident properly: "On 24 November, the deadliest incident on record occurred. An inflatable dinghy carrying 30 migrants capsized while attempting to reach the UK, resulting in 27 deaths and one person missing. The victims included a pregnant woman and three children.". It would therefore fortify the request for it to be deleted simply because it lacks notability and it is not news. It is not appropriate in the context of the main article to create a standalone article for this one incident. Firsttwintop (talk) 21:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to English Channel migrant crossings (2018–present). This information isn't useless, but it belongs in the article about the main subject. There's no reason to split off random pieces of the topic into their own articles. Firsttwintop, did you create an account just to nominate it for deletion? There's no rule against that, but it's unusual. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The information is already on the article, but I support the gist of the proposal. Firsttwintop (talk) 00:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep 27 is a significant number of deaths. SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning keep. This appears to be a well-referenced and not-insignificant disaster. BD2412 T 00:24, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The references are more than adequate to justify keeping this disaster and its consequences as a separate article. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 03:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to English Channel migrant crossings (2018–present). The article is one separate event of a series of migrant crossings that have been going on for years. It may be overtaken in the future by a higher number of deaths. There is no reason for individual events of this series of migrant crossings to have their own page when they can be properly accommodated in English Channel migrant crossings (2018–present). Mariawest1965 (talk) 17:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This incident is notable not just from the large loss of life, but also because the level of public interest in that led both to the revelations about how the boat traffic was being treated by "rescue" services, and to some political/policy changes. That meets WP:EVENT and needs the more detailed record that this generally-well-referenced article provides, rather than shoe-horning just a brief summary into the main article. - Davidships (talk) 00:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to English Channel migrant crossings (2018–present): the event is just another event of the migrant crossings, not justifying the separation of the single event from the main article, and could possibly be displaced as being the most deaths in migrant crossings in the future. MonsterRacer1 (talk) 11:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MonsterRacer1, how did you find this AFD on your first edit? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:46, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was reading the article and saw that it had been nominated for deletion; then I read the main article and found the information on the main article too, so I thought I would join in the discussion. MonsterRacer1 (talk) 15:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't see the point of this AfD nomination. This clearly fulfills WP:NEVENT given the sheer amount of coverage it has received. The article is well written and sourced, so no major cleanup needed either. This article counts 1300+ words, and the proposed merger would include most of its content into a page that has less than double the amount of words, giving WP:UNDUE weight to this single event. Keep is in my opinion the only possible option. Broc (talk) 08:33, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Article addresses a notable subject; 27 deaths (a large number) and the deadliest incident recorded by the IOM in the English Channel. Article also has multiple citations, so it is well researched. —Mjks28 (talk) 00:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Braden Olthoff[edit]

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 21:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Subject meets the WP:GNG with WP:SIGCOV at [[19]], [[20]], [[21]] and [[22]]. Let'srun (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep, seems to be a lot of buzz about a pine-tar incident (not to the point of 1E, but a factor in considering one of the smaller publications above), but I'm convinced that the TP-NOLA articles are very in-depth and secondary, and the WDSU coverage is suitably in-depth. Would it be better if there were more widespread coverage? Yeah, but I think this meets the GNG under a generous reading of WP:THREE. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 16:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Craig Butler (football manager)[edit]

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This article does not meet any notability standards. The most notable thing about him is that he is the father of two players, but this is Wikipedia, not WikiTree. That he managed a high school team may get him some mentions in newspaper articles, but where those don't relate to his more famous sons, they are "local newspapers", which also don't make him notable. The rest is best handled on his sons' pages. Renerpho (talk) 22:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The restriction on local newspapers as a source of notability applies only in the case of companies, not sportspeople. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per rationale. Milkk7 (talk) 10:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment by nominator @GiantSnowman: There is no lack of "sources",[23] they just don't make him a notable subject. But yes, if sources are found that actually do that, I'd like to know as well. Renerpho (talk) 10:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See the article history for what of that has been in the article in the past, as material has been removed for reasons like WP:BLP,[24][25] or due to being incomprehensible (thanks for finally cleaning up this mess). Renerpho (talk) 10:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't say there are no sources. Giant Snowman 11:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neither did I. :) Maybe someone else will be interested in that list. Renerpho (talk) 11:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, @Milkk7:, I found [26], https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/sports/20221023/craig-butler-project-pt-1], [27], [28], [29], amonng many more sources (which cna be found in aritcle talk page). Clearly siginficant figure in Jamaican football. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Das osmnezz: GiantSnowman probably was aware of those, as they and I discussed them here previously. The article [30] is about him leading his High School team to victory. That's hardly significant. [31] and [32] definitely would be significant, if anything had ever come of those ideas. Someone's grandiose plans to take over Jamaican football, even if announced in local newspapers, amount to little if none of them ever come true. The only notable thing that Craig Butler has done was being the adoptive father of Leon Bailey. Renerpho (talk) 23:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the article has been improved greatly over the past couple of days. Compare what it looked like a week ago.[33] Once you remove the fluff and the WP:BLP issues,[34] not much remains. Renerpho (talk) 23:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Butler is clearly a significant figure in Jamaican football, as shown by the amount of coverage he receives in Jamaican media... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 06:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 17:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per @Renerpho, with whom I concur. Tkaras1 (talk) 19:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, looks like a nothingburger. High school victories are utterly insignificant, and his academy doesn't look notable. Please write a real article instead of flooding a talk page with this and that. Geschichte (talk) 16:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Many sources provided here and talk page highlight how he has been a significant and controveral figure in Jamaican football... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How? Geschichte (talk) 21:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alex (Supergirl)[edit]

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Only one entry, Alex Danvers, has a standalone article. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete dab not needed per WP:ONEOTHER. Jclemens (talk) 05:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Redirect to Alex Danvers. It's hard to add a disambig hatnote to a table (list of episodes, as the other meaning is an tv show episode). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There are clearly two topics that could be this entry. Having this lead to a disambiguation page prevents accidental links from happening as bots notify users when adding these. There is zero upsides to deleting or redirecting this. Gonnym (talk) 06:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this is not a case of WP:ONEOTHER as there is no clear main topic. Broc (talk) 07:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, two topics. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Disambiguation page only links to one article, the other is just an article where the second subject is mentioned. —Mjks28 (talk) 03:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WWTJ-LP[edit]

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Insufficient-notability low-power religious FM. Redirect conversion reverted by IP. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and/or restore redirect to List of radio stations in New York: any time a BLAR is contested for such a non-notable entity, it reduces the value of publicly retaining the page history any further. This is the type of radio station article (LPFM, started within the last decade or so) that, after the 2021 RfC that finally abolished the previous, more existence-based and non-GNG inclusion standards in this topic area, we have been (very) slowly trying to purge when they are remnants of the previous standards — this 2023-created article isn't even that. We need actual significant coverage — the FCC, the station itself, and Radio-Locator aren't enough anymore. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:25, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Brian Andrews (actor)[edit]

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Working actor, reasonable career, but I couldn't find sources available to confirm he meets WP:NACTOR / WP:GNG. Lots of mentions on less reliable sites/blogs. Weak keep in 2006 when our standards were much lower. Boleyn (talk) 07:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: One quite notable role and some mildly notable ones have him meet WP:NACTOR, which is the applicable guideline. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC) PS- Added various sources and think the subject also meets WP:GNG with significant coverage in multiple reliable sources addressing the subject in depth and directly....:D[reply]

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Keep, roles add up to enough. Hyperbolick (talk) 08:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete: it's not about whether the roles are significant or not, it is about whether the role is significant or not. and so far... the only significant role i can find is his role as tommy doyle from halloween. other roles/movies listed in the article do not really make him significant, failing WP:NACTOR brachy08 _{(chat here lol)} 08:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1856 Cumberland (South Riding) colonial by-election[edit]

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This is just a directory to two elections that happened in the same electorate in the same year. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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As with the other AfD - what's the deletion rationale? The disambiguation seems fine to me? SportingFlyer T·C 11:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. No reason to delete: two topics; no primary topic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1856 Cumberland (North Riding) colonial by-election[edit]

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This is just a directory to two elections that happened in the same electorate in the same year. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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What's the deletion rationale? The disambiguation seems fine to me? SportingFlyer T·C 11:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. No reason to delete: two topics; no primary topic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ted Pierce[edit]

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Fails GNG, only sources that I can find are database mentions and the Australian Olympics website Traumnovelle (talk) 23:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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That leading Australian newspaper archive Trove brings up NOTHING for "Ted Pierce polo" has me suspect that he was known under some other name or something. I also think that there's a good chance there's sigcov in Water Warriors, a 600-page book chronicling the Australian Olympic water polo team, especially given that he seems to have been one of the more prominent players as he was chosen for three Olympics (he is mentioned in the book). BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He's also known as Edward Pierce but that gave me nothing. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trove is actually extremely limited. It lacks most of the major Australian newspapers. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trove is extremely limited from 1954 onwards. And this guy was in the 1956, 1960 and 1964 Olympics. Using online newspaper sources for this era in Australia is useless. WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES should have a comment on what to do when there are copyright or similar corporate subscription imposed online blackouts. The-Pope (talk) 15:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Although there isn't abundant information about him online, he's a three-time Olympic national and that's significant. I've been able to find three mentions of him on a Dubbo local newspaper and I'm sure there's more to be found in media that's contemporary to his participation in the Olympics. Rkieferbaum (talk) 17:17, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cry of the Justice Bird[edit]

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Fails WP:NBOOK. Can't find any reviews, not even in PW/Kirkus/Booklist afaict. Please ping me if coverage can be found. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to its author, Jon Haylett. A preliminary GNews + ProQuest lookthrough uncovered nothing for this 2007 title. Nominator made the right call in this case. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per above. I found only a one sentence mention in an EBSCO resource stating the book won an award - "Jon Haylett's Royal Society of Literature prizewinner Cry of the Justice Bird." Still no sigcov. Maybe add that it won the award to Haylett's page? PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Belgians[edit]

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This list is much too broad and conflicts with WP:SALAT. gidonb (talk) 01:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Belgium is a densely populated country of 11.7 million people. Category:Belgian people cannot be counted by PetScan, and a large share of the articles are not about Belgians, but there are likely tens of thousands articles about Belgians in Category:Belgian people. Category:Belgian scientists alone contains 1038 articles, more than enough to support a standalone list of Belgian scientists. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 02:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Belgian people by century contains 4569 results. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 02:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the scope of such list is too broad. But as WP:ATD, this list could be transformed in a list of lists following the example of Lists of Americans, by splitting into sub-lists. However, I tend towards Delete as I don't see the value in having lists of people for which we already have categories with thousands of entries, unless said lists have more stringent criteria than the categories themselves and are heavily curated. Otherwise we end up having patchwork lists of dubious worth. I am looking forward to reading the opinions of fellow editors. Broc (talk) 04:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The article is way too vague, as it includes people who were citizens of Belgium for at least some part of their lives (which could include a small portion of their lives), people who weren't Belgium at the time but were born where Belgium is now (which I don't think should qualify as "Belgian"), and even fictional characters whose citizenship isn't even know. There are way too many leaniant parameters for what qualifies as "Belgian". I think @Broc's solution to turn the article into a list of lists could work, but I think deletion or making stricter qualifications for what "Belgian" means would be better suited. Mjks28 (talk) 04:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A list on its own is far too broad and unwieldy. Possible alternative is a list of lists in a more specific sense. Ajf773 (talk) 10:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hibiscus Coast busway station[edit]

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Fails GNG, no SIGCOV exists for these bus stations on their own. Just press releases and routine news reports of events occurring there. I propose merging to Northern Busway, Auckland I am also nominating the following related pages

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Procedural oppose I don't think it was a good idea to bundle this nomination. At the very least, Constellation Station is notable; there's enough coverage to bring it over the GNG line. I therefore have to oppose this in its entirety. Schwede 66 07:33, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you can provide sigcov I'll withdraw Constellation. I couldn't find anything with a search. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Singapore representatives at international male beauty pageants[edit]

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Similar to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Vietnam representatives at international male beauty pageants, this list of pageant contestants lacks notability under WP:LISTN. The only source in the article currently is to Miss World, which is primary. Let'srun (talk) 00:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Beauty pageants, Lists, and Singapore. Let'srun (talk) 00:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nomination. This list is more trivia than encyclopedic. TH1980 (talk) 01:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as we have deleted several similar articles. Mccapra (talk) 15:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]