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The result was delete. ✗plicit 10:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Shooting ranges in Norway (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This list article comprehensively fails WP:LISTCRITERIA on the basis the article is a list of inter-wiki links to Norwegian Wikipedia.
Looking at the linked articles on NO:WP, they seem to just consist of a table of shooting ranges with name, municipality and the lat/long (which links to GeoHack).
So what we have is a list of links to pages on another wiki, which would themselves fail WP:NOTDIRECTORY here.
This is fine on no.wp if it meets their GNG. On en.wp it does not.
There's no encyclopaedic content there worth importing to en.wp which would help this page meet WP:GNG. I don't see how this page meets (or could ever meet) notability unless it could be rewritten to cover some unique or special feature of Norwegian shooting ranges that marks them out from ranges anywhere else in the world (if such a feature exists, which it probably doesn't).
I don't think any argument can be made that the no.wp links are just placeholding until equivalent articles can be created on en.wp because I can't see how a page like this would past LISTCRITERIA on en.wp. It's interesting and useful information... but for some sort of geo project. It's not encyclopaedic content. Hemmers (talk) 08:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete We don't have articles that do nothing but link to articles on other language wikis that would not be approved as an article here. Reywas92Talk 13:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Suggest that List of shooting ranges in Akershus is nominated as well. Ajf773 (talk) 10:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ajf773 Agree. I have done so Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of shooting ranges in Akershus Hemmers (talk) 16:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Reywas92. Orientls (talk) 17:58, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. I see a consensus here to Keep this article and no support for Deletion other than the nominator. The article needs work but that can be addressed through editing.
There is also a strong disagreement from participants here that WP:NEWSORGINDIA applies to countries other than India. Please do not use it as a justification for deletion in future nominations. Liz Read! Talk! 01:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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References do not show how this is notable. Plenty of unreliable sources and NEWSORGINDIA but nothing in-depth. Recommend a redirect to parent Pakistan Television Corporation. While I did not do so prior to the AfD, programming also needs to be removed per WP:NOTTVGUIDE. It appears that the notability of the page is attempted to be heightened by the mentions of the programs it shows. CNMall41 (talk) 23:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I will reserve a !vote for now but for those who may not be aware, PTV Sports is country's state-owned channel dedicated to sports, much like DD Sports in India. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- When searching for references, make sure to weed out those that apply to PTV Sports (TV program) as well. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- PTV Sports (TV program) is a Filipino TV program, so obviously editors searching in Pakistani sources won't encounter such references. 2A00:F29:248:C1E5:69B9:937C:A897:D420 (talk) 16:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- When searching for references, make sure to weed out those that apply to PTV Sports (TV program) as well. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep I have added more RS.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 21:28, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- These "reliable sources" seem to fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Can you point out the specific ones that show notability?--CNMall41 (talk) 05:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- There are many news articles show controversy or negitivity about channel. So, WP:NEWSORGINDIA may not apply here. This may apply when all are praising. Ameen Akbar (talk) 12:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- That is not how that works. NEWSORGINDIA has to do with the context of the article (who wrote it, is it churnalism, etc.), not whether it is positive or negative. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- There are many news articles show controversy or negitivity about channel. So, WP:NEWSORGINDIA may not apply here. This may apply when all are praising. Ameen Akbar (talk) 12:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- These "reliable sources" seem to fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Can you point out the specific ones that show notability?--CNMall41 (talk) 05:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep NEWSORGINDIA cannot possibly apply to this article (and I'm surprised the nom hasn't received blowback for even mentioning that country's name in this nom for a Pakistani subject and network); it has enough sources within to easily pass WP:N and is by default Pakistan's main sports channel. Cull back the programming list to only cricket and soccer as a simple list and source it; that's the only true issue with this article. Nate • (chatter) 00:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Your comment is a little uncivil but I understand your concern as it has been raised several times in the past. NEWSORGINDIA has been applied to the entire subcontinent in both articles and AfD discussions. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Nate. The RfC consensus ([1]) was just about Indian mainstream media, and there was no discussion that we can apply this to whole Indian subcontinent countries (i.e., Bangladesh, Bhutan, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka). As far as I can see, only CNMall41 is trying to extend that consensus to whole South Asia as if they are part of India or these countries are in some sort of union like EU, which is not the case. I'd recommend seeking a similar consensus about Pakistani sources with evidence on WP:RSN first and then adding similar wording as a note for our reference. This is how this should work. 94.201.21.216 (talk) 16:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, you seem not to be familiar with the discussions. In fact, it was suggested to change the name as having "India" in the NEWSORGINDIA heading makes it seem like it is singling out a specific country and/or nationality which I don't think is proper. You are more than welcome to start a discussion but as stated, this has been applied in many AfD discussions. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- This should be done if only to resolve the dispute. I read the sections in question and found no mention of countries other than India. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, you seem not to be familiar with the discussions. In fact, it was suggested to change the name as having "India" in the NEWSORGINDIA heading makes it seem like it is singling out a specific country and/or nationality which I don't think is proper. You are more than welcome to start a discussion but as stated, this has been applied in many AfD discussions. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Nate. The RfC consensus ([1]) was just about Indian mainstream media, and there was no discussion that we can apply this to whole Indian subcontinent countries (i.e., Bangladesh, Bhutan, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka). As far as I can see, only CNMall41 is trying to extend that consensus to whole South Asia as if they are part of India or these countries are in some sort of union like EU, which is not the case. I'd recommend seeking a similar consensus about Pakistani sources with evidence on WP:RSN first and then adding similar wording as a note for our reference. This is how this should work. 94.201.21.216 (talk) 16:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Your comment is a little uncivil but I understand your concern as it has been raised several times in the past. NEWSORGINDIA has been applied to the entire subcontinent in both articles and AfD discussions. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Nate and WP:HEY. It is literally a state-owned monopoly and the only broadcaster of international events in Pakistan (Dawn covered it in detail). It has been operational since the 1970s as a sports division of PTV, similar to BBC Sports, which is a division of BBC. There is a large amount of offline and online coverage about the topic and some of them have been added already to the article. Meets WP:GNG. 2A00:F29:249:8243:E4E0:CA6C:D0E7:378B (talk) 16:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Amazing coincidence. Back to back IP addresses commenting. But, here we are. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Other than Dawn, can you link to more in-depth coverage?--CNMall41 (talk) 16:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It's an important sports channel in Pakistan that many people rely on for sports coverage. The channel is well-known and meets WP:GNG. Yakov-kobi (talk) 00:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your effort. What are the references that support notability? --CNMall41 (talk) 05:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Mojo Hand (talk) 03:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nike Indoor Nationals (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Reviewed during NPP. All 3 sources are from the event's official website, and I found no sources online that establish notability. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 07:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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DeleteKeep.I agree that there are no good sources, and that its near impossible to find a reliable source talking about the Nike Indoor Nationals.Turns out there are some good sources talking about it. A lot of @Habst's sources are about the Nike Outdoor nationals, but they still provided a good number of articles about the Indoor Nationals. The sources aren't really fully about the event specifically, but I believe they're still fine articles to use. Coulomb1 (talk) 14:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)- Keep, because the event meets WP:GNG as an important prep athletics championship. Responding to the concerns by @CanonNi and @Coulomb1, there's plenty of independent coverage from The Washington Post, New York Times, The Post-Standard, MileSplit, The Journal News, Bozeman Daily Chronicle The Cullman Times, and many more. --Habst (talk) 16:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- All of my links were for the indoor nationals – for the outdoor nationals, there's even more coverage from LetsRun.com, Track & Field News, The Santa-Cruz Sentinel, Eugene Register-Guard, MileSplit, etc. --Habst (talk) 16:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't know how this slipped past me. I have no problem with keeping this article then. Coulomb1 (talk) 14:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- All of my links were for the indoor nationals – for the outdoor nationals, there's even more coverage from LetsRun.com, Track & Field News, The Santa-Cruz Sentinel, Eugene Register-Guard, MileSplit, etc. --Habst (talk) 16:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Bollywood Hungama. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 20:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Bollywood Hungama Style Icons (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable award show sourced mainly to the parent company Bollywood Hungama. Sources I find are all unreliable or just verification of winners. Would redirect but we know how that goes so suggesting a redirect as an WP:ATD here in case full deletion is not in order. CNMall41 (talk) 20:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Bollywood Hungama. A WP:BEFORE search turned up no independent and reliable sources for the event itself on the web, Google News, Google Books, Yandex etc. Since there is a lack of independent, reliable sources with SIGCOV, the article fails WP:GNG and the supplementary essay WP:NAWARDS. However, a redirect could be made to Bollywood Hungama and a brief mention could be added there for the award. The Night Watch (talk) 15:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Bollywood Hungama: Unable to find the necessary coverage to meet the WP:GNG. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 02:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was moot as the page was merged. ✗plicit 12:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sul Ross State University Lobos (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Merge with Sul Ross State Lobos. This page was created with an unconventional name when the target page already existed as a redirect. It should be merged with the target page to comply with naming standards on these types of articles (see New Mexico Lobos or Ohio State Buckeyes). JTtheOG (talk) 06:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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- @JTtheOG: I don't see this as a matter requiring AfD. You could just simply move "Sul Ross State University Lobos" over the redirect "Sul Ross State Lobos". BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, I completely agree with this recommendation and approach (I created this article, now a redirect, in the first place). ElKevbo (talk) 22:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Star Mississippi 13:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Greater Ozarks Conference (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG. The few sources which mention the subject do not constitute significant coverage of it. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Per WP:AVOIDCOI, making mention that I created the article. Additional information and sources added. Meets GNG's description of significant coverage, "... addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Even when the article had one source, it sufficiently addressed the topic directly and in detail. Regardless, I have added more information to the article, as well as additional citations from additional secondary sources - all of which meet GNG's definition of significant coverage. I have also added an external link, on the article, to the press release report released by the founding schools when it was established - one of the cited sources also links to it. GuyBanks (talk) 03:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unless the decision is made to delete all the other articles on individual Missouri high school conferences:
- Big 8 Conference (Missouri)
- Big Springs Conference
- Carroll-Livingston Activities Association
- Central Missouri Activities Conference
- Eastern Missouri Conference
- Frisco League
- Gateway Athletic Conference
- Greater Kansas City Suburban Conference
- Kansas City Interscholastic Conference
- Metro Women's Athletics Association
- Ozark Conference
- Suburban Conference (St. Louis)
- Summit Conference (conference)
- Western Missouri Conference
- In addition to all the other states high school conferences: Category:United States high school athletic conference navigational boxes
- GuyBanks (talk) 04:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unless the decision is made to delete all the other articles on individual Missouri high school conferences:
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- Comment: Local coverage, such as what has been added here thus far, is usually not permitted for organizations per WP:AUD. Let'srun (talk) 18:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, I think we need to hear from more editors
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 06:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep there is enough coverage in the page for a pass of GNG. Frank Anchor 19:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Per WP:AUD local coverage such as the Ozarks First, Ozarks Sports Zone, and a local radio station (the three sources in the article currently) does not establish notability under WP:NORG for any of these sports leagues. Let'srun (talk) 21:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: WP:AUD says news coverage must be regional - which is what the "Ozarks" news sources are. GuyBanks (talk) 21:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Relisting this discussion didn't bring this any closer to a consensus so I'm going to close this now. I can only echo the words of Sandstein in closing the first AFD as applying to this as well:
Three-way split between keep, merge and delete, each with good arguments. I'd normally go for merge as a compromise, but here there are also valid arguments against a merger given the length of the target article.
Those editors who are interested in a Merge can start a discussion on the article talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 23:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- List of Liverpool F.C. matches in international competitions (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is an unnecessary and redundant collection of matches that Liverpool have played in international competition. An article outlining the club's record in Europe already exists, we do not need a list of every single match. Considering also that the reader can learn what happened in those matches from the equivalent season articles AND from seasonal competition pages. I understand having smaller lists for clubs that don't usually play in Europe. For example, Burnley's article contains only a few matches, each of which are especially notable. But like most big English clubs, Liverpool play in Europe almost every single season; making most matches almost as notable as any domestic match. A discussion to delete this list reached no consensus just over two years ago now; but I truely believe redundant lists like this have no place on Wikipedia. Idiosincrático (talk) 22:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep – Due to the club's relevance worldwide, I don't see any problems with a list of international matches existing. This is complementary information and can be easily verified. Svartner (talk) 11:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's also the exact sort of information you used to buy specialty football encyclopedias for. SportingFlyer T·C 14:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge and redirect to Liverpool F.C. in international football, I don't know why we need two separate articles, there is plenty of room in the main one to house the list. You say in your nomination, unnecessary and redundant collection of matches I completely disagree with that, further more, the information in the main article clearly shows it's not redundant and appears to be historically necessary. You haven't even posted any policy based argument in your nomination either. Govvy (talk) 12:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this is an absolutely valid WP:SPLIT. Most teams will list all of their European matches on their "X team in Europe" page, so deleting this would basically mean that the most followed clubs wouldn't be able to have information about the matches they've played. I don't support a merge, either - the parent article is almost 100Kb as it stands. SportingFlyer T·C 15:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/redirect per Govvy. GiantSnowman 20:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Don't merge. The proposed merge target is already long, already has a bunch of tables in it, and it's a FA. People who want this information can easily just click through to this article; it's not going to become some kind of weird content fork. There's no reason to merge this. -- asilvering (talk) 18:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and no not merge. The featured article Liverpool F.C. in international football covers this topic adequately and in an encyclopedic way, but a list of every match played ever is a clear violation of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. As such, a merge would not improve the encylopedic value of that FA, but just bloat it with unencyclopedic content. This is an encyclopedia, not a football fandom site. If this table is added to the FA article then it will leave that article at risk of not meeting the FA criteria by having a clear WP:NOTDIRECTORY violation. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not at all a violation of NOTDIRECTORY, every club has these and they're exactly what you'd find in the back of old footballing encyclopaedias. It makes no sense to delete this only because it's large enough to have its own page. SportingFlyer T·C 14:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Can you explain why you think it fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY? This isn't a directory. That would be if it emulated the yellow pages, or listed upcoming TV broadcasting, or something. These are historical events. -- asilvering (talk) 17:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- WP:OSE, just because other articles violate WP:NOTDIRECTORY or WP:NOTSTATS too, that does not mean this article should too. An entire list of hundreds of matches is a clear violation of these both, as it's entirely a stats article for every result which violates
Simple listings without contextual information showing encyclopedic merit. Listings such as the white or yellow pages should not be replicated.
We're not a database mirror or fandom site. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)- The encyclopedic merit is self-evident, as I've mentioned before. SportingFlyer T·C 20:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- WP:OSE, just because other articles violate WP:NOTDIRECTORY or WP:NOTSTATS too, that does not mean this article should too. An entire list of hundreds of matches is a clear violation of these both, as it's entirely a stats article for every result which violates
- Keep I was leaning towards delete, especially as I nominated this list for deletion the first time around. But after reading SportingFlyer's reasoning above I think this list should be kept. He's right, these statistics are what you'd find in the back of old football encyclopedias. Indeed, they're in the back of many of my Liverpool books. I don't think the list should be merged with the main article, as it will be far too big then. A separate list is a better solution. NapHit (talk) 20:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete ‘’Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a directory or repository of links’’ as per WP:LISTCRITERIA. Frankly, I don’t see the need to keep or merge a list of matches as it does not add anything valuable to Liverpool F.C. in international football. If a user was to check Category:English football clubs in international competitions, they would also find that no other club has any similar articles on the topic.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Vorann Gencov (talk • contribs) 16:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- If a club has appeared in Europe, the list of their European matches exist somewhere, whether on the club page, the club in European football page, or in Liverpool's case, a validly split page dedicated to the topic. I don't understand how other users are coming to the logical fallacy that this is a directory. SportingFlyer T·C 20:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reply @Joseph2302: you should type into google
is an encyclopaedia a database
Wikipedia itself is certainly a database, where as the policy what wikipedia is not, saying it's not a database is really false to itself. Wikipedia at times is a joke in a way, I always wonder if it will last as it always asking for lots of donations! :/ Regardless and back to topic, there are millions of articles on wikipedia that are collective data. Regardless in cell form as numbers, matches of football, baseball, Ice hockey, NFL, it's full of it. You can't single this one out. Nope, you'd be deleting every page on wikipedia if you want to go that route. Govvy (talk) 21:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC) - Delete: Per WP:LISTCRITERIA, WP:NOTSTATS, and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. This is a topic better suited for other sites to list such as a stats database, not wikipedia, as it does not provide readers with context for why matches played internationallly are important to this team specifically. Don't see anything worth merging or redirecting to either, and Liverpool F.C. in international football is already quite long as is. Let'srun (talk) 18:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is ridiculous. Every single team that has played in Europe has one of these tables somewhere. Liverpool's is just the one that's been WP:SPLIT. SportingFlyer T·C 22:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Let'srun: I can't see how you can apply NOSTATS as a delete argument. The stats are explained in Liverpool F.C. in international football, therefore WP:NOSTATS is technically an invalid delete argument as clearly stated by the fact on NOSTATS it says. Where statistics are so lengthy as to impede the readability of the article, the statistics can be split into a separate article and summarized in the main article. So they are explained in the previous article. As for NOTDIRECTORY, that's kind of a grey area really, are you considering the list of matches a directory? The question it asks on that topic Wikipedia encompasses many lists of links to articles within Wikipedia that are used for internal organization or to describe a notable subject. Liverpool football club is certainly a notable topic, so is Liverpool football club in Europe, how about their games, there are many in the list that are highly notable. The main problem with the list is that each row needs a source. So again, how much thought did you put towards wanting to delete the article?? Regards Govvy (talk) 10:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is ridiculous. Every single team that has played in Europe has one of these tables somewhere. Liverpool's is just the one that's been WP:SPLIT. SportingFlyer T·C 22:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Liverpool F.C. in international football per Govvy. Ae245 (talk) 11:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 02:35, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Monarch Mountain (ski area) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Written like an advertisement, no references cited, no indication of notability. These are long-standing issues (5+ years) with no attempts made by other editors to fix. Ultimately, this could probably be deleted and merged into Monarch Pass. GSK (talk • edits) 04:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge seems right. Hyperbolick (talk) 08:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
- Colorado Snowsports Museum and Hall of Fame (2023). Skiing in Colorado. Charleston, South Carolina: Arcadia Publishing. ISBN 978-1-4671-6055-1. Retrieved 2024-07-01 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "Monarch Pass, c. 1936. People have been skiing the mountains surrounding the valley of Monarch Mountain since 1914. Monarch's first unofficial winter season was in 1936, when James Kane and the Salida Winter Sports Club brought a Chevy truck engine up Monarch Pass highway. Other skiers instrumental in the initial opening of the area were Thor Groswold, Sven Wiik, and Charlie Vail. By 1939, the club applied to the US Forest Service for a permit to cut trails, construct a lodge, and erect a lift. The first run cut at Monarch was Gunbarrel, an expert trail with a 30 percent slope. During the first official ski season of 1939–1940, season passes cost $1. Rope tow revenues netted over $50, with 25¢ day tickets. Ownership of the resort changed multiple times, with each change resulting in additional lifts, more terrain, and a base lodge. Stability returned to Monarch in the 1990s after a turbulent decade throughout the 1980s when the area filed for bankruptcy. In 2006, the Mirkwood Basin opened to skiers and riders willing to hike."
- Mait, Sandy (2021-01-11). "Monarch Mountain: One of Colorado's Best- Kept—and Snowy—Secrets". Ski. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
The review notes: "Monarch is rare in the ski-resort world, running on 100 percent natural snow (about 350 inches annually) leading to the resort’s motto “We don’t make snow. Mother Nature does.” The resort’s base elevation of nearly 11,000 feet helps keep the snow fluffy and frequent. And most of the more difficult trails remain un-groomed, providing a true backcountry feel with the ease of chairlift access. And for anyone looking for more than a backcountry feel, there are 130 acres of hike-to terrain."
- Scoville, Peter (January–February 2012). "Monarch Mountain". Skiing. EBSCOhost 70248700.
The review notes: "I first discovered Monarch Mountain in the winter of 1995. I was on my annual pilgrimage from the Front Range to Crested Butte for its ski-for-free weekend when we pulled our old Subaru Outback, bottoming out under five ski buddies and gear, off U.S. Highway 50 into the area's dirt parking lot for a pee break. ... Somewhere between cheap lift tickets, nine inches of fresh pow, nonexistent lift lines, and steep shots like Gunbarrel and High Anxiety that filled back in after every lap, I fell in love with Monarch Mountain. We ended the day in the Sidewinder Saloon, Monarch's only bar, for an après-ski scene that embodied all of the comfort and camaraderie a down-home, slopeside watering hole should. Though I didn't realize it then, that chance stop sold me on the beauty of Monarch and reminded me why I love skiing. Fast-forward 16 years, and nothing much has changed at Monarch. It now sports a terrain park and new steep lines and tree runs that came with the 130-acre expansion into Mirkwood Basin, but those improvements only built upon the fundamentals: deep snow, few crowds, and an unpretentious group of hardcore skiers and beginners alike."
The review provides more information: "Average Snowfall: 350 inches. Skiable Acres: 800. Vertical Feet: 1,162. Advanced/Expert Terrain: 58%. Lift Ticket Price: $57."
- Osberger, Madeleine (2017-02-10). "Monarch Mountain Keeps it Real". Aspen Daily News. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
The article notes: "For this special occasion, deep-winter getaway, a retro theme seemed apropos, with “most snow” and “funky factor” used as criteria for mountain selection. Monarch Mountain, circa 1939, which has been getting hammered by storms all season, won out. Modest in vertical rise — just 1,162 feet of elevation gain between its 10,790-foot base and the 11,952-foot peak – Monarch packs a lot of punch and fall-line skiing into an area slightly larger than Aspen Mountain. At the start of an early January storm that would drop 35 inches in less than 24 hours, we set out from Aspen for a deceptively long drive given Monarch’s close-as-the-crow-flies location (like Crested Butte) in the central Rockies."
- Blevins, Jason (2023-10-02). "Monarch Mountain plans new terrain as visitation, pass sales soar". The Colorado Sun. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
The article notes: "Monarch ski area is busy. Pass sales more than doubled in the past three seasons. Skiers have flocked to the Chaffee County ski area, with visitation reaching more than 210,000 in 2022-23, up from 140,000 when Bob Nicolls led his investment group to buy the 800-acre ski area in 2002. "
- Willard, Heather (2024-03-04). "Monarch Mountain's 377-acre expansion clears environmental assessment". KDVR. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
The article notes: "This project has been years in the making. PowderMonarch LLC, which owns Monarch Mountain ski area, filed its application for the expansion on Oct. 6, 2021. Monarch is also one of the oldest ski areas in the state, having first opened to the public in 1939, according to the Forest Service’s environmental assessment of the project."
- Boster, Seth (2019-12-16). "In 80th year, party rolls on at Monarch Ski Area". The Gazette. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
The article notes: "The ski area had built itself on grit. Locals in 1936 formed a sports club on the mountain, powering a shoddy rope tow with a six-cylinder truck engine. The pass was finished over the next few years, spelling greater access and higher popularity. ... All the while, Monarch has resisted the industry trend of glitz and conglomeration. Possibly on deck for the future: a terrain expansion on the mountain’s backside, along with another lift."
- Harmon, Tracy (2014-12-21). "Monarch celebrates 75 happy holidays". The Pueblo Chieftain. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
The article notes: "Monarch Mountain has come a long way from a one-run wonder to the 75-year-old beauty it is today. When Monarch opened in 1939, it was constructed by Works Project Administration workers and featured a 500-foot rope tow driven by a gear box from an old oil derrick. Today, Monarch features six chair lifts and 54 runs plus nearly 1,000 acres of back country skiing opportunities."
- LeBlanc, Pam (March 2021). "Colorado Ski Gems". Austin Travels Magazine. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
The article notes: "I’ve always bypassed Monarch, assuming it didn’t have enough terrain to keep me interested. I was wrong. The cozy, 800-acre ski area doesn’t have any on-mountain lodging. The closest is the no-frills Monarch Mountain Lodge a few miles away, where you can get a room for about $100 and a free shuttle to the ski resort. Nearby, you can explore restaurants and shops in town, swim laps at the Salida Hot Springs Aquatic Center downtown, or detour over to Mount Princeton Hot Springs Resort after a day of skiing and plop yourself into a pool of steamy water right along a riverbank. Monarch Mountain officially opened as a ski area in 1939, but its off-the-beaten path location means it’s less crowded."
- Hirschfeld, Cindy (2020-11-25). "7 Places Where the Slopes Are Less Skied". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2022-11-25. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
The article notes: "For more than 80 years, this central Colorado ski area along the Continental Divide has drawn powderhounds. Its fairly modest size — 800 acres and a 1,100-foot vertical drop — is counterbalanced by 350 inches of average annual snowfall that can stay untracked for several days past a storm, plus guided snowcat skiing on 1,600 additional acres of advanced terrain. Experts also love the hike-to, backcountry-style runs in Mirkwood Basin. Recent required thinning of pine-beetle-stricken trees has opened up more gladed skiing across the mountain. (Denver-based Meier Skis sells custom Monarch models using some of that harvested wood.) Many guests opt to stay in the artsy, riverside town of Salida, 20 miles east."
- Colorado Snowsports Museum and Hall of Fame (2023). Skiing in Colorado. Charleston, South Carolina: Arcadia Publishing. ISBN 978-1-4671-6055-1. Retrieved 2024-07-01 – via Google Books.
- Keep per Cunard's fine research. Sadly we have many articles needing editing improvement for 5+ or even 10+ years, but that doesn't mean the subject isn't notable.--Milowent • hasspoken 15:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to 1989–90 Arsenal F.C. season#Results. Liz Read! Talk! 01:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Zenith Data Systems Challenge Trophy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable individual pre-season friendly club match. Idiosincrático (talk) 03:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge – with 1989–90 Arsenal F.C. season#Results as WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 07:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It would help to add to the Arsenal season, however that would negate any redirect to Club Atlético Independiente the other team in it. Maybe adding a sponsorship section on Zenith Data Systems with a snippet there? I am still not sure of a redirect. But there are sources, a few on the article, one Guardian source in the external link. Maybe some other sources out there. It could be possible for some basic GNG pass here. Not sure know. Guess I am running at an abstain vote here. Govvy (talk) 10:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Doesn't merit a redirect. GiantSnowman 19:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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Redirect – to 1989–90 Arsenal F.C. season#Results. Lacks standalone notability as sources which provide significant coverage have not been established. Frank Anchor 03:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players with no prejudice to recreation as an article if further sources develop in the future. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Joe Phillips (English cricketer, born 2003) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject person played only 1 List-A and 2 First class match. Does WP:GNG surpasses WP:NCRICK? Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Twinkle1990: - can I just point out NSPORT states that "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (for example, the general notability guideline...) - so all NSPORT is saying that people who meet those criteria are considered notable, but not meeting those criteria doesn't automatically make them non-notable. Mdann52 (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - meets GNG. Mdann52 (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't appear on the cricket delsort - tryingto add that again first Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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- At worst this is an obvious redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players where his name needs to be added. A note should also be added, as has been done for others. Beyond that I have no particular view here - there are some sources, but not so many. I suspect he is likely to be covered in others as well fwiw Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players. He does not meet GNG - this is the one qualifying source. Gloscricket is obviously not independent coverage. -- asilvering (talk) 18:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, but he may be notable in the future, i.e. WP:NOTNOW. SWinxy (talk) 01:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @SWinxy, in this case, wouldn't a redirect be more appropriate? That way, if he becomes notable in the future, someone won't have to start the article from scratch. -- asilvering (talk) 18:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, borderline decision but given the rhythms and vagaries of the English county cricket season we are approaching the part where younger players are used to a greater extent, precisely the time this page will be useful to people who follow the game to refer to. Hildreth Gazzard (talk) 06:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players. References are currently insufficient for GNG. Frank Anchor 18:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Passes WP:NCRIC as a cricketer who has played at the highest domestic level. I would add [2] and maybe [3] to the references. Tau Corvi (talk) 14:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - This AfD was initiated after an AFC discussion. I don't see any rationale AfD discussion here. Twinkle1990 (talk) 16:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- can you please clarify what you mean here, or adjust the link to point to a discussion? Star Mississippi 16:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Link corrected now. Sorry for the confusing link. Twinkle1990 (talk) 01:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- can you please clarify what you mean here, or adjust the link to point to a discussion? Star Mississippi 16:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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- List of NCAA Division I FCS football independents records (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A consensus emerged at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NCAA Division III independents football records that a list like this fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOTDIRECTORY, because this is a group of loosely-related teams that are not in conferences. A merge to a different article would also be difficult for undue weight issues, as expressed in the previous AfD. A similar AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NCAA Division II independents football records) resulted in a soft deletion. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Why don't we just merge all these into a List of NCAA football independents records? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- KEEP per WP:PURPLIST, this list is "a valuable information source. This is particularly the case for a structured list. Examples would include lists organized chronologically, grouped by theme, or annotated lists." For decades, newspapers that report conference football standings across the United States routinely also have listed the standings of non-conference independent teams. This has long been a very common way for the press to provide this information. This concept was not invented on Wikipedia. Jeff in CA (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- List of Michigan Wolverines football trainers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article fails WP:NLIST. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 13:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. In the early years of Michigan football, the trainers played an incredibly important role, akin to coaches. Michigan retained some of the outstanding figures in sports to fill the role. E.g., Mike Murphy, Edward Moulton, Keene Fitzpatrick, Alvin Kraenzlein, Stephen Farrell, and Archie Hahn. The list serves a valid navigational role among and between these major figures. Cbl62 (talk) 15:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cbl62: "Akin to coaches"; they ARE assistant coaches, and that in itself is not notable enough to garner their standalone list. The information in the article is already in the trainers' standalone articles. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 16:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- you misunderstand the role of trainers, especially in the 19th century. Yes the biographical info is a short form of what’s in each bio, and that’s as it should be — the individual bios are the main repositories and this list serves as an overview and navigation aide. Cbl62 (talk) 19:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, appears to fail WP:NLIST. I could not find anything that discussed Michigan trainers as a group. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- (Discuss) – Ray Brown (Negro leagues pitcher) → Ray Brown (baseball) – Per WP:INCDAB a move discussion is necessary. INCDAB states:
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There are 2 Ray Brown baseball players, both pitchers: this one, a Hall of Fame Negro league pitcher; and Ray Brown (National League pitcher) who pitched 1 game for the Cubs in 1909. The pageviews (Negro league pitcher & Natinal League pitcher) over the last year are 3428:170, or ~20:1, which is about what it takes according to List of reported partially disambiguated article titles and their characteristics. I am arguing this Ray Brown is the primary baseball player topic (under WP:PT1) becauseit is highly likely [...] to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term
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- Educational Basketball (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Disputed draftification, whcih leaves AfD as the route for articles with insufficient referencing and failing WP:GNG. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete with no opposition to draftify, but my BEFORE doesn't show any promise this passes NCORP as I did't find any sources about the organization that satisfied all three of independent, reliable and SIGCOV. Though, happy to be proven wrong by a demonstration of WP:THREE, as always. Bobby Cohn (talk) 00:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep as it is mentioned in multiple sources. As an academy it has produced some upcoming notable players. LocomotiveEngine (talk) 10:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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Similar to other articles in the Career achievements of basketball players category, this is a collection of indiscriminate trivia with trivial statistical cross sections, which is a violation of WP:NOTSTATS and does not meet the notability criteria under WP:NLIST. The most pertinent info is already included in the main article. Let'srun (talk) 00:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep but with severe pruning. Ditch the NBA statistics and Career high sections and trim the NBA records, but that still leaves a notable boatload of the last, e.g. most points scored, most blocks (both now second), etc. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Too many for one regular bio page. KatoKungLee (talk) 23:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep unless there's a solid reason to delete it beyond being statistics-heavy. Kareem is one of the sport's greatest players, something which has drawn extremely extensive commentary, so I don't think this is really indiscriminate.
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- Delete Unneeded WP:CONTENTFORK packed with WP:UNDUE, indiscriminate, trivial stats minutiae. Major, defining achievements should be captured in the main bio. The basic achievements are already at Kareem Abdul-Jabbar § NBA career statistics, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar § Athletic honors and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar § Legacy. Also fails WP:NOTSTATS:
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As most of this page is unsourced (tagged since April), there's no opportunity to merge either. Consistent with consensus against standalone odes to other Basketball Hall of Fame players and "top 10" of all-time like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Hakeem Olajuwon and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Larry Bird.—Bagumba (talk) 10:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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The sole delete vote recommends merging the material into the main article.However, that article is very long (8098 words), and WP:SIZESPLIT applies. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)- I did not recommend a merge at all:
As most of this page is unsourced (tagged since April), there's no opportunity to merge either.
As also mentioned, WP:NOTSTATS applies for the trivial numbers as well.—Bagumba (talk) 11:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I did not recommend a merge at all:
- First all-time (second now) scoring, rebounding and blocked shots are "trivial numbers"? Also, why are you typing "*:"? ":*" actually does something with the asterisk. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- As mentioned previously, major stats such as those are presented in prose at Kareem Abdul-Jabbar § Legacy. It doesn't need a standalone list conflated with unsourced trivial stats. As for the indenting question, I was using the reply tool, and its formatting seems consistent with Wikipedia:Colons and asterisks § Best practices—Bagumba (talk) 07:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Colons_and_asterisks#Best_practices says to use things like ":::" or "***", not a mixture. If the reply tool is doing something else, then it's faulty in a minor way. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- There's a mixed example there showing
*****: sixth reply
.—Bagumba (talk) 22:04, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- There's a mixed example there showing
- Wikipedia:Colons_and_asterisks#Best_practices says to use things like ":::" or "***", not a mixture. If the reply tool is doing something else, then it's faulty in a minor way. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- First all-time (second now) scoring, rebounding and blocked shots are "trivial numbers"? Also, why are you typing "*:"? ":*" actually does something with the asterisk. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Rolandas Jasevičius (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. PROD was contested but unable to locate independent significant coverage of this individual. C679 06:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Seems to have been well-known in Lithuania, which Lithuanian media did you search in your WP:BEFORE? I found the basics in an Lithuanian Sports Encyclopedia, coverage of his European bronze in 2004 (career highlight = not WP:ROUTINE) and WP:SUSTAINED coverage of an assault later in 2004 that halted his career. Geschichte (talk) 07:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, per Geschichte. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comments/Question Competing at the Olympics is no longer sufficient to show WP notability, especially when you're badly beaten in the opening round (54-21). A bronze medal at the European championships doesn't meet any SNG and his semi-final bout was stopped in the second round of the fight (where he lost to someone who lost in the second round of the Olympics). The coverage of his bronze medal was just coverage of the results of the Lithuanian boxers in the event. His short listing in the Lithuanian Sports Encyclopedia is more of a database entry than an article. Being a crime victim doesn't make him WP notable, either. Since he fails WP:NOLY and WP:NBOX, he needs to meet WP:GNG. I don't read Lithuanian, but I can use Google translate. Can someone please point me to the coverage that shows he meets WP:GNG? Thank you. Papaursa (talk) 22:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Cameron Brimblecombe (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Declined prod. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NCRIC. A player is unlikely to be notable with just 1 first class game. LibStar (talk) 23:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- World Championship of Legends (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No evidence of WP:SUSTAINED coverage to pass WP:GNG- WP:REFBOMBing the lead with a few articles listing the people playing is not significant coverage. This is yet another example of an article that falls foul of WP:NOTINHERITED- just because some notable people played in the event, this doesn't make the event itself notable, as it's a clear GNG failure. User created this article after being suggested not to unless it met WP:GNG: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 94#Create a page on 2024 World Championship of Legends, but decided not to listen to advice. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Per nom. Yet another poor article on these non-notable OAP leagues. AA (talk) 21:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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We don't normally create articles for players playing just 1 first class match. Only primary sources provided. Fails WP:NCRIC. LibStar (talk) 01:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- The worst case situation here is a redirect to List of Irish first-class cricketers, with a partial merge to a note so that the biographical details and references can be preserved. Given the quality of information at this source the chances are that there are contemporary press records offline that could be used to build a proper biography. Liddle appears to be the go to expert on Irish cricketers and clearly wrote for the ACS on the subject - a set of his biographies can be found here for future reference. It might be worth a keep based on Liddle's biography and the fact that he got a Wisden obituary (which is not a gimme, especially for single appearance players), but I'd rather see something a bit more contemporary in news sources. But it really is redirect at the worst - this is never a delete situation. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Aside from dying in World War I, this player does not seem to rise to WP:NCRICKET. I already removed some information about his brother and his mother, as they lacked sources. The article is looking pretty bare at this point. Hornpipe2 (talk) 17:48, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- weak delete: Found a book describing him as a "first class cricketeer" [4] but it's barely a few paragraphs. This is also a brief mention [5]. Just don't have enough on this fellow. Oaktree b (talk) 19:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Mentioned in plenty of book sources, in quite some detail. AA (talk) 20:44, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Where, we don't have any listed? Oaktree b (talk) 21:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Final Wicket: Test and First Class Cricketers Killed in the Great War (which I have) goes into great detail on him. Wisden has an obituary on him in its 1918 edition, which also goes into a good degree of detail. I'd imagine there's coverage in newspapers from the time too, The Times certainly mentions him following his death. AA (talk) 22:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is all fine and I appreciate the additional resources added, but, does that still make him a "notable" player in the eyes of WP:NCRICKET? I'm hardly knowledgeable of cricket, does
- "he represented Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) and also Middlesex in two first-class matches in 1912."
- counts as "Have played at the international level for a Test-playing nation"? Hornpipe2 (talk) 00:09, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- NCRICKET goes on to say "Additionally, cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level, or in the lower levels of international cricket, may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof." Playing for Middlesex in first-class cricket counts as "the highest domestic level", so it depends on whether he has "sufficient coverage". Going by what AA has written, he probably does. JH (talk page) 08:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Final Wicket: Test and First Class Cricketers Killed in the Great War (which I have) goes into great detail on him. Wisden has an obituary on him in its 1918 edition, which also goes into a good degree of detail. I'd imagine there's coverage in newspapers from the time too, The Times certainly mentions him following his death. AA (talk) 22:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Where, we don't have any listed? Oaktree b (talk) 21:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm inclined toward keep here, although the very worst case situation would be a redirect to List of Middlesex County Cricket Club players with a note added to include the reference detail. There's a Wisden obituary with some detail and I would be surprised if there weren't other obituaries - Eton, The Times etc.... Given his family and status this seems very, very likely - I'd suggest that with any war death that a significant BEFORE should really take place as there's often a scad load of detail out there and as a person he would appear to me to be clearly notable in terms of the sorts of things we'd look for. The book that is referred to above is usually a detailed source as well, and Sandford also appears to mention him in his The Final Over: The Cricketers of Summer 1914 - there's story about him uncovering a diamond worth £1 million in Kashmir. No idea where that came from, but there's clearly coverage out there about the chap and he seems notable to me. Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to List of Denmark List A cricketers. Liz Read! Talk! 23:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Sources provided are primary. Only played 1 list A game in his career. LibStar (talk) 23:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, only other sources available are statistic pages rather than any SIGCOV. StartGrammarTime (talk) 08:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Denmark List A cricketers. AA (talk) 22:13, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is, at the worst, a really, really obvious redirect to List of Denmark List A cricketers with a note added to retain the reference details. There may be detail in Danish sources - it's possible, but my Danish isn't good enough and Nielsen is way too common a name to narrow things down. Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Noah Holcomb (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I propose the deletion of the Wikipedia article on Noah Holcomb for the following reasons:
Lack of Notability:
According to Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines, a topic is presumed notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Upon thorough research, Noah Holcomb does not meet this criterion. The available sources primarily consist of minor mentions and local coverage, which do not constitute significant coverage. Insufficient Reliable Sources:
The sources cited in the article do not meet the standard of reliable, secondary sources. Most of the references are primary sources or lack the editorial oversight needed to be considered reliable. There is a scarcity of independent coverage from reputable media outlets, academic publications, or other authoritative sources. Failure to Meet Sports Notability Criteria:
For athletes, Wikipedia's Sports Notability Guidelines specify that individuals should have achieved significant success in major international competitions at the highest level. Noah Holcomb has not been documented to have such achievements. His sports career, as detailed in the article, does not include any significant milestones that would warrant notability under these guidelines. Verifiability and Independence Issues:
Wikipedia's Verifiability Policy requires that all content must be verifiable and based on reliable sources. Much of the information in the article lacks independent verification and appears to be derived from sources closely associated with Holcomb, thereby compromising the objectivity required for a Wikipedia article. Consensus from the Community:
Previous discussions and evaluations by the Wikipedia community have highlighted similar concerns regarding the subject's notability. There has been a consistent lack of support for maintaining the article due to the reasons mentioned above. Given these points, I believe the article on Noah Holcomb does not meet Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. I recommend deletion to maintain the quality and reliability of the encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiUserExplorer23 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails SPORTBASIC/GNG. Couldn't find any significant coverage at all. Though I recommend the nominator not use ChatGPT to generate their comments in the future. C F A 💬 20:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Ian Anderson (soccer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I don't see any notability, either through achievements or through sources. The article states something about trading cards, which doesn't contribute to notability. I don't know whether this is the same article that was discussed in the 1st and 2nd nomination. Feel free to G4. Geschichte (talk) 20:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- I don't think its the same ones before, it's hard to find stuff on Reno 1868 anymore since the team went defunct. It was easy to find some of his stuff on official released trading cards, then the simpson university NAIA head coaching job and holding his USSF a license, the same article says he was a member of the Chicago Fire Pro MLS team as well as played for SJSU.
- I just saw he didn't have an article. he's just one of the obscure players, and he came up on reddit for not having one so i made one. I've been a long time wiki reader and edit some stuff here and there but finally logged into make an account. CardzRC (talk) 21:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- He also has a very common name so a lot of ian andersons out there. CardzRC (talk) 21:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for clearing some things up. And welcome to Wikipedia! When someone doesn't have an article, sometimes there is a reason for that, though. Geschichte (talk) 21:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Lots of American MLS/USL players who are very obscure i noticed don't have pages, but they sit on rosters and find themselves filling out rosters all there career. MLS / USL is a very different compared to the most established leagues in the world. I hope they can be recognized for their accomplishments.
- And thanks, I love wiki. I'm a soccer history buff lol CardzRC (talk) 21:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I also don't know how to cite a source from a physical game program or media guide. Which people do have those, and I can get access to. CardzRC (talk) 21:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- JSA also doesn't authenticate non athletics/celebrity signatures/memorabilia either, someone posted that on reddit the certification for him, so I was able to research the serial number and did locate he does infact have a SJ Earthquakes jersey in their archive CardzRC (talk) 21:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for clearing some things up. And welcome to Wikipedia! When someone doesn't have an article, sometimes there is a reason for that, though. Geschichte (talk) 21:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Amirkian Mohammadi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I had a look at the sources and had a little look on google, but I simply don't see the article passing the general criteria for even basic WP:GNG. Govvy (talk) 15:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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This feels like a breach of WP:OR, I honestly don't see the encyclopaedic value for this article. Wikipedia is not Forbes. Govvy (talk) 15:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Ota Kohoutek (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:GNG criteria. Lack of sources, no significant coverage. Insignificant footballer with only 12 starts in professional football, last being in May 2022, more than 2 years ago. Maybe one day he will restart his career, but WP:NOTJUSTYET. FromCzech (talk) 05:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- There were added references and sources to prove media coverage. At the end of the article there is statement about WP:STUB, which is perfectly sufficient and says that anyone can improve the site by expanding it. Pospeak (talk) 06:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Notability still not proven, sources still unsufficient. FromCzech (talk) 07:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Notability has been proved by adding 3 references and 3 external links. That is more than many others footballer pages. Perfectly sufficient for stub. Pospeak (talk) 15:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Notability still not proven, sources still unsufficient. FromCzech (talk) 07:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Kim Chang-kyo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – I saw his name on 7th Supreme People's Assembly but am not sure if this footballer is/was the same man as the member of parliament. Unless we can prove their relation, I'm leaning towards Delete. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep: likely fails wp:GNG, but deemed notable by essay wp:FOOTYN. Represented North Korea in 4 FIFA matches in Hong Kong, Indonesia, and Japan. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 10:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NFOOTY has been superseded by WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 13:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Mai Moncaster (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am unable to find enough significant coverage from third-party sources to meet the general notability guidelines. Biographies of living persons require independent sourcing. An WP:ATD is to draftify the article while more sources come up. JTtheOG (talk) 22:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nomination. I don't see this page as a potential draft. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Kim Chang-gun (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect? I had a look at the one link 11v11 [6] and it said FIFA World Cup Asia group 4, in 1980 December, and one game played in 1981 January all in the same tournament, so there maybe a redirect available for his name. Was trying to work it out for a possible redirect. If not guess it's a delete. Govvy (talk) 10:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Vitali Yatsko (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A 'senior coach' is not the manager and is not an inherently notable position, especially since WP:FOOTYN is no longer valid. I can't find anything more than passing mentions of Yatsko, including the 4 references already used. My own searches yielded nothing better than Sports.kz and Sports Daily, both passing mentions again. Does not seem to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Per nom, Govvy (talk) 10:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. The references and external links are all database type entries. North8000 (talk) 20:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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No indication this stadium proposed more than 10 years ago was ever built. Google search returns a place of the same name which hosts pigeon racing. The club which supposedly will have a home at this stadium plays elsewhere, and according to their page here, have only played amateur competitions since 2011. C679 04:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete There is Beykoz Stadyumu (stadium) with a 3k capacity, [7], however Arena? Besides, this is way below the threshold, delete per nom. Govvy (talk) 10:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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Not a G4, but no indication factors have changed since the prior AfD. A redirect to Liga 3 (Indonesia) is likely not helpful to the reader as teams aren't mentioned there. Star Mississippi 00:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Matúš Turňa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Another long-time stub of a Slovak footballer named Matúš, he last played for Spartak Trnava in 2021 before disappearing from the football world. My Google showed nothing better than brief mentions and routine coverage, including this one. I've checked corresponding articles in other Wikipedia languages but none of them provide significant coverage; the Slovak one has been tagged for notability issues since 2021 so it obviously will not help copy over English article. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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he last played for Spartak Trnava in 2021 before disappearing from the football world.
Well, he was 35 in 2021 so probably retired. Over a 12-year career between 2009 and 2021 Turňa made close to 300 appearances in the Slovak First Football League, the first tier of Slovakian football which was fully professional in all of that time (Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues). I'd be surprised if there's no WP:SIGCOV; I'll have a look later. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Your comment is based on a guideline that has been abandoned following NSPORTS2022. The fact that someone has made over 100 appearances in a fully-professional league or senior national team is no longer supported. This article needs to actually meet WP:GNG in order for it to be kept. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 11:07, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Huh? I didn't state that their number of appearances was sufficient. Note how I didn't even write "keep" and how I said I'd look for SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning keep per previous commenter and some significant coverage found here. Lots of coverage here and there, and it's interesting to me that he was named the 10th best domestic signing during a particular transfer window. They would not name run-of-the-mill players in the top 10. Geschichte (talk) 19:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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An AfD was recently created for this page, and the outcome was to delete it. It has now been created again with no meaningful improvement. Anwegmann (talk) 23:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Does G4 apply here? C F A 💬 00:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Never mind, it was soft deleted. C F A 💬 00:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The article can stay because: 1. There are other articles of size and shape on Wikipedia, e.g. Artur Rudko, Jon Šporn and so on. 2. On the other hand the article about Roman Savchenko (footballer) will grow and get better over time. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 08:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per the last AfD and consider full protection. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why delete? The footballer played/plays for two clubs belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, and his contract belongs to the champion of Ukrainian Premier League 2023/24. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I didn't understood the first delition, and can't understand the current one: he played for two clubs belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, his contract belongs to the champion of Ukraine. He has similar coverage as his teammates. --Noel baran (talk) 10:08, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Correct me if I'm wrong but there is no mention of playing in the highest Ukrainian tier in either WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. No significant coverage means no article. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 12:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- About evidence of notability: He played for two clubs belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football. For sources please see References/External links in the article. What is SALT? Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Playing for a specific club or in a specific league is not evidence of notability. Every source you have presented is WP:ROUTINE and thus not WP:SIGCOV. Given how many pages you have created, you should know this already. Anwegmann (talk) 21:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- About evidence of notability: He played for two clubs belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football. For sources please see References/External links in the article. What is SALT? Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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Appears to be a very young player who may have WP:SIGCOV one day but does not currently meet those standards. Anwegmann (talk) 23:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - Firstly, the age of the player (old or young player) is imho not a criterion for deciding whether to delete an article or leave it. The article can stay because: 1. There are other articles of size and shape on Wikipedia, e.g. Artur Rudko, Jon Šporn and so on. 2. On the other hand the article about Vladyslav Kalyn will grow and get better over time. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 09:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
There are other articles of size and shape on Wikipedia
That's not a compelling argument; see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.On the other hand the article about Vladyslav Kalyn will grow and get better over time.
The article could made a draft for now then and be re-published when there is WP:SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no guarantee that the article will improve or that Kalyn will become notable over time, this would appear to be a WP:CRYSTAL argument. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- In my opinion Kalyn is already notable. He plays for club belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, and he played/scored for Ukraine national U17 football team in the 2023 UEFA European U17 Championship qualification. His contract belongs to the runner-up of the Ukrainian Premier League 2023/24 (FC Dynamo Kyiv). About improvement of the article: I try to do my best since I've created the article. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 12:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- For example: External link 1, External link 2, External link 3, External link 4, External link 5, External link 6 Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 13:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Web-wiki-warrior, the sources you found are match reports from UEFA which do not contribute towards WP:SPORTBASIC. This footballer needs to meet GNG in order for his article to be kept. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 11:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- About links: There are not only links from UEFA. I've also added links with Kalyn's profile at upl.ua, pfl.ua, Soccerway.com, footballdatabase.eu, worldfootball.net, fbref.com.
- 1. On the page you meant (WP:SPORTBASIC) I couldn't find any WP:SPORTBASIC (notability) criteria if we talk about a soccer player/footballer. Please give an example of a wikipedia article which provides WP:SPORTBASIC (notability) criteria for a football player. 2. What is GNG? Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are all football database/stats entries that don't provide significant coverage of the subject and do not count towards SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. C F A 💬 19:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Imho at least soccerway.com provides significant coverage of the subject. The same can be said about uefa.com. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are all football database/stats entries that don't provide significant coverage of the subject and do not count towards SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. C F A 💬 19:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Web-wiki-warrior, the sources you found are match reports from UEFA which do not contribute towards WP:SPORTBASIC. This footballer needs to meet GNG in order for his article to be kept. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 11:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- For example: External link 1, External link 2, External link 3, External link 4, External link 5, External link 6 Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 13:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect. WP:SPORTBASIC clearly excludes database sources (e.g. UEFA, Soccerway) when it comes to notability; Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources.. I suggest you read that guideline in full. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: fails SPORTBASIC. C F A 💬 14:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please give an example of a wikipedia article which provides WP:SPORTBASIC (notability) criteria for a football player. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Joel Waterman. C F A 💬 19:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. It is ok, but imho article about Vladyslav Kalyn's has similar coverage as some of his teammates who don't provide wikipedia articles for deletion. And as I mentioned above: Kalyn is already notable. He plays for club belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, and he played/scored for Ukraine national U17 football team in the 2023 UEFA European U17 Championship qualification. His contract belongs to the runner-up of the Ukrainian Premier League 2023/24 (Dynamo Kyiv). Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:09, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Joel Waterman. C F A 💬 19:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please give an example of a wikipedia article which provides WP:SPORTBASIC (notability) criteria for a football player. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - clearly none of the sources offered demonstrate WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. In my own searches, I can find sport.if.ua, but it's not enough on its own. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- >clearly none of the sources offered demonstrate WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG
- In my opinion all provided sources demonstrate WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. As I mentioned above/before: Kalyn is already notable. He plays for club belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, and he played/scored for Ukraine national U17 football team in the 2023 UEFA European U17 Championship qualification. His contract belongs to the runner-up of the Ukrainian Premier League 2023/24 (FC Dynamo Kyiv).
- >In my own searches, I can find sport.if.ua
- Thank you for the link. I have no problem to get the source from https://sport.if.ua/2024/06/26/nashi-profi-pidsumky-sezonu-chempionat-u-19-upl/. The player is mentioned again there.
- Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 09:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. per WP:SPORTBASIC. Not even one source offering significant, in-depth coverage of Kalyn has been presented. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- In response to your comment He plays for club belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, and he played/scored for Ukraine national U17 football team in the 2023 UEFA European U17 Championship qualification. - please can you directly quote a Wikipedia guideline that states that this means he is notable? Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Melvin Wandelaar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. No sources. --Bocanegra (talk) 22:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Strong delete, next to nothing outside of Wikipedia mirrors. An embarrassing article to have. Geschichte (talk) 08:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 12:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Very far from passing the GNG. gidonb (talk) 15:13, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:LISTN as collection of non-notable children. It lacks independent sources and it doesn't help that is so incomplete either. Moreover, there exists ample precedent to delete youth squads across continents and sports at AFD/2019 AFC U-16 Women's Championship squads, AFD/2022 South American Under-17 Women's Football Championship squads, AFD/2016 South American U-17 Women's Championship squads, AFD/2017 AFF U-18 Youth Championship squads, AFD/2015 FIBA Africa Under-16 Championship squads, AFD/2009 FIBA Africa Under-16 Championship for Women squads, AFD/2011 African U-17 Championship squads, AFD/2013 SAFF U-16 Championship squads. Geschichte (talk) 13:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – A festival of red links. Only a select few players will reach WP:GNG. Sources measuring the squads must be included in the main article, and the precedents presented by the Geschichte support the deletion. Svartner (talk) 22:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per other AFDs listed in nom. Just a ton of redlinks which isn't useful or pass WP:NLIST or WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 12:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG without significant coverage. I searched on Google and only the ice hockey player came up. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 12:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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This article appears to be nothing but conjecture. My first thought was to remove the unsourced information, but there would be nothing left. I found one article on researchgate but it still wouldn't meet the basic guidelines. C679 05:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep It certainly needs work on, plausible topic with a paper written on the fact, [8], secondary source on the paper [9] Per BBC Sounds Chaos in Romania and Dutch Match-Fixing. There are more sources online to digest. Govvy (talk) 10:43, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge to Match fixing in association football#Romania using sources above, does not need a separate article. GiantSnowman 18:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Match fixing in association football#Romania sounds fine to me. Svartner (talk) 22:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. As it stands now, add section to article suggested above with the sources presented. If someone wants to write a sourced page on the topic I do not necessarily oppose it. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:LASTING. I can't find anything really substantial about this murder after the few days of coverage in 2013. Lettlre (talk) 16:49, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- I found a bit of coverage in a 2023 German book, which is probably sigcov, but that's only one thing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW, my vote is delete. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Although tabloid, [10], that is lasting! Sources are fine in the article, covers the events, you have multiple different YouTube videos which show lasting like this one [11], there are posts on Facebook and TikTok about this, Twitter [12], etc. Those few bits years later, So ye, Keep for me, thanks. Govvy (talk) 20:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- The tabloid doesn't help, the YouTube videos don't help, social media posts definitely do not help. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- We should never use social media sources per WP:LINKSTOAVOID #10. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:24, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The tabloid doesn't help, the YouTube videos don't help, social media posts definitely do not help. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep significant incident with fair coverage Ecpiandy (talk) 21:10, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete All of the sources date back to 2013, when the incident took place. WP:LASTING states that "An event that is a precedent or catalyst for something else of lasting significance is likely to be notable." This murder was not a precedent or catalyst for something else of lasting significance. And it has definitely been long enough to determine whether or not this event is lasting. Therefore, it is not notable enough to warrant its own article. Plus, the article fails WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE because the only significant coverage of the murder happened while it was still breaking news (5–8 July). The article was also created on 7 July, while much of the news was still coming out about the event, which makes me think that the creation of the article was a little rushed. Govvy's links to social media websites, Youtube, and the tabloid definitely do not help establish notability. Relativity ⚡️ 23:49, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Reply @Relativity: I never said the links I provided show notability, that's already been established in the article, what I provided shows lasting, is it still being talked about years later, what I showed is yes it is. Govvy (talk) 09:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- That is not how lasting is established. PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Reply @Relativity: I never said the links I provided show notability, that's already been established in the article, what I provided shows lasting, is it still being talked about years later, what I showed is yes it is. Govvy (talk) 09:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Per WP:GNG. Significant coverage with third party sources.BabbaQ (talk) 10:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article might pass the GNG but doesn't pass the SNG. Relativity ⚡️ 19:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability - NOTNEWS. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – This is not a football context, but rather a brutal/macabre murder that had repercussions in Brazil years ago. Svartner (talk) 22:28, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- What repercussions? PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:GNG. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 12:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Very clearly notable, highly unusual and passes WP:GNG in any case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Finn Ecrepont (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG, lacks SIGCOV. Dougal18 (talk) 11:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep The way the Ayrshire Post went on and on about him, there's enough coverage to meet GNG. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 09:35, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. One Daily Record source is decent - where is the rest? If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just from googling his name, there are at least five stories online which focus on him (so not mentions in general match reports or counting any of the stories from his 60-yard goal). The Ayrshire Post have also published at least six stories about him specifically, I don't know how many of these are online though. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hawkshaw fails GNG with a lack of SIGCOV. Dougal18 (talk) 11:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep I don't see nothing wrong with the article, a full professional Scotland footballer with good basic coverage. Passes WP:BASIC in my view. Govvy (talk) 15:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Third party sourcing. WP:GNG passes.BabbaQ (talk) 16:18, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – Per above. Svartner (talk) 07:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment 12/17 sources are either stats or non-independent of Hawkshaw. Donegallive - Hawkshaw injured an opponent, Courier - he's playing after concussion, Daily Record 1 - "while Dean Hawkshaw has stepped up his rehabilitation from a knee injury", Daily Record 2, routine transfer news and Cumnock Chronicle "GLENAFTON brought new signing Dean Hawkshaw, pictured, into the starting 11 on Saturday and he made an instant impact." That isn't a GNG pass or a pass of BASIC. Dougal18 (talk) 07:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Only secondary sources in the article and found during WP:BEFORE check are match reports with surface level coverage of the subject. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep I am happy with the sources in the article, young player with on going career, although somewhat primary heavy, there seems enough to show basic. Govvy (talk) 23:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Which sources do you believe contain significant coverage of the subject? AlexandraAVX (talk) 06:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- GNG and SIGCOV is only intended for non-specific topics per WP:SNG. Please see BASIC and SPORTBASIC for notability of people (basic criteria) as well as for athletes (additional criteria per WP:SPORTSPERSON). Hence there is a distinct difference for people compared to general topics:
"If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability"
. CNC (talk) 16:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- GNG and SIGCOV is only intended for non-specific topics per WP:SNG. Please see BASIC and SPORTBASIC for notability of people (basic criteria) as well as for athletes (additional criteria per WP:SPORTSPERSON). Hence there is a distinct difference for people compared to general topics:
- Which sources do you believe contain significant coverage of the subject? AlexandraAVX (talk) 06:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. All I see here are primary sources, passing mentions, and some YouTube clips. Let'srun (talk) 14:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment (contributor). I tried improving this to bring it back to mainspace, based on elements of BASIC per SPORTBASIC (the guidelines that covers the notability of people and athletics), as a combination of secondary sources, rather than the need for exclusive SIGCOV (the guidelines that covers the notability of general topics). So far there is Sky Sports and BBC for this, which I believe is beyond trivial, and borderline BASIC per Govvy comment.
It's otherwise unfortunately that the BBC's Women's Football Show episodes are no longer available, as I remember distinct post-game coverage of Draper after her initial goal; that of her international career, prospects and style of play (beyond ROUTINE), that would certainly cross the threshold for basic notability (people and sports-related). I'll try find a copy of this somewhere to see if it could be used as a cite av media ref, even if not possible as an online source.I think it's also fair to assume basic based on"they have achieved success in a major international competition at the highest level"
, that of being top scorer in the U17 Euro qualifying, as subjectively the U17 Euros are the highest level of competition at that age range, though I can understand how this is intended for senior competitions only, as well as only a guide to likelihood of notability, as opposed to notability itself. Either way, it wouldn't be too much of a loss if the page get's deleted, as I suspect there will be SIGCOV soon enough for it to return. It would be unfortunate for an active WSL player to have their page deleted, but based on policy/coverage it'd be understandable. I can only assume it's age-related as to why there isn't further coverage, given she would be one of the very few active WSL players to have scored a league goal and not have an article. CNC (talk) 16:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC) - Keep Have added a third source for notability [13], so per above comment, that should cover SPORTBASIC. The online source is unavailable, but can be verified here, or otherwise by requesting archival footage from the BBC for non-commercial purposes if preferred (but otherwise nothing wrong with citing media as RS per WP:PUBLISHED). I realise as well that ROUTINE only covers local sources for sport, so with BBC and Sky Sports, game coverage counts for multiple sig cov. At least, I think it's hard to argue that coverage of scoring the winning goal in an important game isn't significant. We can get round to the YT argument if needed, but as it's a verified account from a reliable source (Sky Sports Football) it is
"inheriting their level of reliability"
per WP:RSPYOUTUBE so shouldn't be needed. CNC (talk) 17:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)- Routine is definitely not restricted to local sources; per policy:
For example, routine news coverage of announcements, events, sports, or celebrities, while sometimes useful, is not by itself a sufficient basis for inclusion of the subject of that coverage
. NSPORT's requirement that local sources cannot be routine game coverage does not mean only local sources can be routine game coverage. The video is primary and does not contain encyclopedic coverage: it is routine match commentating and amounts to no more than a sentence or two at most: absolutely not SIGCOV. If this was sufficient for NSPORT purposes we would have articles on every DI and probably DII college football player. JoelleJay (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Routine is definitely not restricted to local sources; per policy:
- Keep for the reasons stated above, but also worth adding here that Draper recently signed a pro contract with Leicester. Until now, her WSL appearances had been as an academy player mostly coming off the bench, so reasonable chance of her making match day squads more often. Delete this article and we could end up having to restore it long before Christmas. Leonstojka (talk) 17:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – The sources present in the article seem enough to WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Sourcing is far too weak and transactional to meet GNG and especially YOUNGATH, and SPORTCRIT is absolutely not met by one or two sentences of unscripted video commentary on one match. JoelleJay (talk) 23:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. There is no instance of WP:SIGCOV in an independent, reliable source as required under WP:NSPORT, and thus the subject also fails WP:GNG which requires multiple instances. Sourcing is limited to WP:ROUTINE match coverage, stats pages, and coverage in affiliated sources. Per a "keep" voter's assertion that she may become more notable in the future given her career prospects, I would be open to a "draftify" outcome if others believe that would be productive; ping me if so and I'll reconsider my current !vote. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify as this appears to be the case that notability is not quite there, but due to the age of the subject and current state of the article, 'sufficient' notability could exist within the next year. C679 10:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Ice hockey
- Miracle in Espoo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG and NSPORT, title appears to be synthesized Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 14:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. I could find no mention of "Miracle in Espoo" in any reliable sources. The game existed with scores verified, but without significant coverage it does not deserve its own article. The title "Miracle in Espoo" appears to be synthesized, and is not a viable option for a redirect. Brief mention of this can be included at Finland women's national ice hockey team, but a standalone article is not merited. Flibirigit (talk) 15:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. I could only find two mentions of this name, one of them being in a Facebook post. Doesn't meet the standards of an article in Wikipedia. – Poriman55 - Meddela mig! 19:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Matúš Viedenský (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG without significant coverage. The closest news source I found regarding him is SME which mentions that he has a brother named Marek. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 13:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails the GNG, and any iteration of NHOCKEY, with a brief career in the Slovak minor leagues. Ravenswing 18:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge What little information is on the page can be safely added into the page of his much more famous brother Marek Viedenský. 193.87.134.38 (talk) 07:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Certainly no prejudice against a redirect. Ravenswing 13:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Marek Viedenský. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 13:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Scugog Community Recreation Centre (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable local arena. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Uxbridge Arena and Recreation Centre. asilvering (talk) 01:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Copying part of my comment from the other AfD: I don't see sigcov of this local arena here. I think it probably exists somewhere in a newspaper archive, so someone might be able to make an article on this topic, but I don't think we're going to turn it up during this AfD, if ever. Here's the two local news websites: [14], [15]. They're not great. -- asilvering (talk) 01:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Nom comment: a merge to the article on the town was proposed on the Uxbridge AfD and would work for this one too. I went ahead and merged the content in already, so I could withdraw this nom and WP:BLAR the article, but I strongly suspect the BLAR would be reverted, so I'd rather let this AfD play out in full. -- asilvering (talk) 21:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge and redirect to Port_Perry#Scugog_Community_Recreation_Centre. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 12:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Martial arts
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- Kimia Alizadeh vs Nahid Kiani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article attempts to be a WP:SPINOFF from Taekwondo at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 57 kg but nothing that is mentioned here cannot be there. (CC) Tbhotch™ 19:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep I've added content and WP:RS that supports the article. This article is specific to not only an event within Taekwondo at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 57 kg, but also the prior tournament, the background and events surrounding the bout including the censorship, as well as reactions. Having all of this information placed within the Taekwondo at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 57 kg article is unbefitting and WP:UNDUE.--Ronnnaldo7 (talk) 21:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hanieh Akhlaghi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails notability, most things in this page is wrong and fake. she never won a medal at the World Championship (but Military Games) , she also never won gold medal in the Asian Games 2013. she has no important achievement to make her notable. Sports2021 (talk) 20:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I made some corrections to the article. I changed the gold medal in the table from World Championship to World Military Games, the Asian Games weren't held in 2013, and she did appear at the 2015 world championships (but lost in the round of 16). Her gold medal in 2013 was in a youth division, which is not considered to show WP notability. The World Military Games have never been thought to show WP notability in the martial arts--a number of American martial artists who won medals there have had their articles deleted. Some of the women's TKD divisions didn't even have enough competitors to award the 4 medals (gold, silver, 2 bronze) allocated. The other events mentioned are minor ones. Other than results reporting, I don't see sufficient significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG and nothing to show WP:NSPORT or WP:MANOTE is met. Papaursa (talk) 23:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Motorsport
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- Acceleration Team China (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am also nominating these as they have the same issues as mentioned below.
- Acceleration Team France (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Acceleration Team Germany (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Acceleration Team Italy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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Unnecessary WP:CFORK per WP:FANCRUFT. Worthy of Fandom maybe (nothing wrong with it for those who ask) but then the series has been long gone 10 years ago.
Also fail WP:NTEAM and WP:SIGCOV as sources primarily consists of WP:PRIMARY and the tidbits of social media posts. Fails WP:GNG. The same issues applies to all the articles nominated as they have the same issues in common. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – Per nominator's rationale. 5225C (talk • contributions) 11:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. All articles were created in April 2014 by the same user. As it turned out – FA1 lasted one year, coverage was sparse and they were never updated again. They've survived the passage of time with little to no encyclopaedic value; the only useful piece of info is which outfit ran each of the teams, which I've just added to the 2014 season article. MSport1005 (talk) 12:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Electric Production Car Series (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There is nothing new about sports series that have burst out in a blaze of publicity then vanished without trace like this one. Having checked WP:BEFORE, independent coverages are extremely thin bar the of press releases, using Tesla to make a buzz for publicity. Numerous of these sources are WP:PRIMARY. WP:SIGCOV is very lacking as sources do not assert notability.
Some what is written are uncited without a single source such as it 'was cancelled due to a lack of a lead investor', indicating that it died without ceremony like it happen to most failed start-up businesses. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep – Sources in article probably already indicate significant coverage, even if they didn't there are sufficient sources available to expand. 5225C (talk • contributions) 11:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Three of those from motorsport.com are WP:ROUTINE announcments, electricgt.news is a dead link. Most of the WP:RS are routine announcments. Teslarati looks like another dubious hobbyist site at best, the kind that plagues the internet. SpacedFarmer (talk) 23:27, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Kelvin Mullarkey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and is based on primary sources. Google books search comes up with 4 hits, but they don't appear to be indepth coverage. LibStar (talk) 03:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep double national champion per #4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please explain how this meets WP:SPORTCRIT Geschichte (talk) 14:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Brands Hatch Racing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable team that did not qualify for a single Grand Prix it entered. WP:SIGCOV is literally non-existent. All WP:RS leads to the track it is named after. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge – Brands Hatch Racing was the circuit's team and was run by John Webb while he was chief executive of Brands Hatch. There are a few other races which aren't mentioned in the existing article. This can be better covered on the circuit's article. 5225C (talk • contributions) 12:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Edgar Stangeland (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Only primary sources provided. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 00:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment. A certain amount of these speedway AFDs seem somewhat premature, coming in rapid succession. Where are you doing your WP:BEFORE? Please don't answer Google, I'd like to direct the attention here. Geschichte (talk) 07:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Some have been deleted, some have been retained. It's not really rapid succession. LibStar (talk) 07:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- But to what extent have you done WP:BEFORE searches? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Some have been deleted, some have been retained. It's not really rapid succession. LibStar (talk) 07:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep national champion per #4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- 2014 Acceleration at Portimão (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Nominated for this same reason
- 2014 Acceleration in Assen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 2014 Acceleration in Monza (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 2014 Acceleration at Navarra (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 2014 Acceleration at Nürburgring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 2014 Acceleration at Slovakia Ring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I appreciate this article creator's enthusiasm in the hope that Wikipedia will help to make it notable but editors should be advised of notability guidelines before creating. In this case, can it meet notability guidelines? No, unfortunately. Like everything in Acceleration 2014, nothing there meets notability guidelines.
Unneeded WP:CFORK that is solely useful to the tiniest minorities of dedicated fans, thats if they exist, and is too over reliant on WP:PRIMARY as having checked via WP:BEFORE, this brought in nothing. All the rounds are group together in this nomination for this same reason. What all those articles have in common is that they all fail WP:GNG, as well as having poor level of WP:SIGNIFICANCE and WP:EVENTCRIT, having lasted only a single season. Also, WP:NOSTATS and WP:NSPORTSEVENT, having being a racing series by anybody other than the most ardent fans who may come and fight for a keep vote. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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I appreciate this article creator's enthusiasm in the hope that Wikipedia will help to make it notable
– What? What gives you this idea? Can you at least try not to disparage content creators, as you seem to do in every AfD nomination you make? Seriously, it's ridiculous that you cannot seem to help but put others down in your nominations. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Superleague Formula 2009: The Game (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This game fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NVIDEOGAMES. Looking at it via WP:BEFORE, not a single review exist for this game. Neither a single source exist for it too. Sank without trace like the eponomous race series. SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:29, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Seems highly obscure; I fail to see the sourcing here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Superleague Formula#Other ventures per WP:ATD. IgelRM (talk) 08:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Superleague Formula#Other ventures per above as an alternative to deletion.Timur9008 (talk) 16:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Jordan Palin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. Google news yields 2 possible third party sources but they are routine coverage of retiring and missing out on a season. LibStar (talk) 23:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 18:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- J. C. France (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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- This might fail WP:NMOTORSPORT — Preceding unsigned comment added by MysticCipher87(alt-account) (talk • contribs) 19:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - Am I reading it correctly that he only competed in one professional race? It appears he did not qualify (DNQ) and withdrew (WD) a few times, but I only see one actual race listed in all those tables. Being a member of the France family does not make him notable, so he needs to have made a name for himself in racing, and I don't see it. - Donald Albury 21:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thought I had found something here, but it just links to a bunch of news items, each of which just mentions J.C. as part of a driving team. I have found a number of pieces about his drunk-driving arrest, but that doesn't help. Also found a column he wrote himself about what he is doing now, and an interview which might be usable for details, but not for establishing notability. Donald Albury 22:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, notability is not inherited (WP:NOTINHERITED). SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep France competed in multiple full seasons of professional Grand Am racing. I will make that clear in the article. -Drdisque (talk) 21:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...but is there anything there to assert notability? The state of the article does not help. Often, I say rip it up and start afresh. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, he unequivocally passes WP:NMOTORSPORT. -Drdisque (talk) 15:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Grand-Am Daytona Prototypes - coming from a rare fan of the class - would be, in my opinion, a
"primarily-professional series of significant national importance"
, not of"international importance"
like I think you're arguing. Subject doesn't appear to have won any DP races, which is what would get a driver who competed at a level no higher than DP (which frankly, was never that high) to pass NMOTORSPORT. But that doesn't mean we should go around finding every DP driver article and sending it to AfD, as NMOTORSPORT really only tells us whether or not someone is likely to pass WP:GNG or not. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 16:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Grand-Am Daytona Prototypes - coming from a rare fan of the class - would be, in my opinion, a
- Yes, he unequivocally passes WP:NMOTORSPORT. -Drdisque (talk) 15:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...but is there anything there to assert notability? The state of the article does not help. Often, I say rip it up and start afresh. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - GNG is not met. Most of what I found on google about this subject is inadmissible per WP:BLPCRIME as subject was not found guilty of what the headlines accuse him of, and would fail WP:ROUTINE regardless. Most of what remains are the usual database sources such as racing-reference, DriverDB, etc. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 16:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Adam Bednář (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 02:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment it might be too soon. I don't see anything other than mentions in event coverage. But there are mentions in event coverage; [16] is the best one I found; [17] [18] are closer to name-drops. Walsh90210 (talk) 03:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Danny Kennedy (speedway rider) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 03:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - No WP:SIGCOV about the guy Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 06:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The Evening Times from 1978 (here and here) states that they were the "Australian under-21 champion". It's not clear what Australian under-21 competition is being referred to, however this may go towards passing WP:NMOTORSPORT. TarnishedPathtalk 10:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Some coverage here and here; also found a brief bit from Old Bike Australasia two years ago ("Danny Kennedy, born in Ballarat in 1958, enjoyed seven seasons in UK from 1976 to 1982, the last four years riding for the Poole Pirates, where he was immensely popular. Sadly he died from a brain tumour in 1993."). What makes the book sources in the article primary? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per TarnishedPath's and BeanieFan11's recommendations. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:55, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Per BeanieFan11's and my comments above. TarnishedPathtalk 05:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Marko Levishyn (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 02:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom, lacks WP:SIGCOV as the sources is just databases Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:06, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep rode in the Speedway World Cup, the pinnacle of speedway Pyeongchang (talk) 10:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I support Pyeongchang's assertion that the SWC is "the pinnacle of speedway". We allow bios of sports that is the pinnacle of sport, so why can't this? SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It still needs to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT: A person is presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of significant coverage, that is, multiple published non-trivial secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject LibStar (talk) 05:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...or I say userfy for future notabiity since he is young and plenty to go. This nom maybe is a bio thus presumably different but I'll use this as an argument. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Sakhir Formula 3 round. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- It still needs to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT: A person is presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of significant coverage, that is, multiple published non-trivial secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject LibStar (talk) 05:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Markku Helminen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources supplied. A search in google news only comes up with third party sources of a namesake. LibStar (talk) 04:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comments: LibStar: I'm no expert on speedway, so there might be something I'm missing, but could you explain your assessment that all the sources here are primary ones? A book like Who's Who of World Speedway and so on. /Julle (talk) 07:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There's bunch of brief mentions in older Finnish newspapers (accessed via National Archives of Finland's digital archive):
- Helsingin Sanomat, 9 May 1975 - mentioned a few times in standard post-event coverage together with other participants.
- Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 31 May 1976 - same, a few passing mentions
- Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 22 January 1978 - elected as the chair of the Salpausselkä Motor Club, given some awards. Very short piece.
- Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 30 August 1976 - event coverage, wins bronze in Turku.
- Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 19 September 1974 - briefly mentioned as the "best driver in the series".
- I didn't survey all the hits, but the best appears to be a profile/interview in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 1 September 1977 (link, requires a researcher account), a bit more than a quarter of a (broadsheet) page in size. Interestingly, it also features a (very cropped) image of an English language news story titled "Markku provides bright spot" by Ken Gaunt, apparently from either Speedway Mail or Leicester Mercury, both of which we are told have featured him.
- Based on the coverage I have access to, I'm personally rather ambivalent. That said, if someone can actually find the English language coverage mentioned in the Finnish papers and verify they are of reasonable depth, I suspect this would lean towards keep for me. -Ljleppan (talk) 09:59, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. With the additional Finnish sources and the lack of explaination as to why Who's Who of World Speedway would count a as a primary source, I'm leaning towards keep. /Julle (talk) 17:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Who's who of world speedway appears to be written by rider Ivan Mauger, as a rider he has a direct connection to the sport and may even know personally many of the riders covered in his book. From WP:PSTS: Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event, and are often accounts written by people who are directly involved. LibStar (talk) 03:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Michele Paco Castagna (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. A search in google news yielded nothing. LibStar (talk) 03:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep three times Champion of Italy and has ridden in the highest possible league of speedway in Britain (equivalent to the football Premier league). Pyeongchang (talk) 10:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have added three more non Primary sources as suggested to the article. Pyeongchang (talk) 10:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The interviews are primary and non-independent, and the press release is a namedrop. All of them are very far from SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 22:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. IRS SIGCOV entirely lacking. JoelleJay (talk) 22:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep as Pyeongchang pointed out. Being a double national champion, pass criteria 4 of (an overly biased towards circuit racing that is] WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Hynek Štichauer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. Google news yields zero. LibStar (talk) 00:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep Member of the Czech team that rode in the 2023 World Cup (the pinnacle of speedway alongside the Grand Prix), has also ridden in the highest possible league of speedway in Britain (equivalent to the football Premier league). Pyeongchang (talk) 11:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- P.S. I have added multiple non primary sources to article.
- Delete. Of the non-stats refs, this is a routine transactional interview with a team promoter (primary, non-independent)
; this is a routine transactional interview with a club owner
; this is a brief transactional press release; and this is a passing mention in an injury update. Nowhere close to SIGCOV in IRS. JoelleJay (talk) 23:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Norbert Magosi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. All the sources provided are primary. A google news search yields nothing. LibStar (talk) 03:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - Meets criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT, being a multiple national champion. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:54, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- @SpacedFarmer, all sportspeople must meet SPORTCRIT #5 regardless of meeting a sport-specific criterion. Where is the SIGCOV? JoelleJay (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- The same as this amongst others...Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Sakhir Formula 3 round (which I nominated, where are the SIGCOV for these too) SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- That is not an article on a sportsperson; these are not comparable, especially as bundled noms almost always fail and the keep !voters weren't even arguing to keep on GNG grounds. I don't think the keep arguments were correct there, but that was a completely different situation. JoelleJay (talk) 23:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- They were bundled as they have in common is the lack of WP:RS besides a hobbyist newssite. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- That is not an article on a sportsperson; these are not comparable, especially as bundled noms almost always fail and the keep !voters weren't even arguing to keep on GNG grounds. I don't think the keep arguments were correct there, but that was a completely different situation. JoelleJay (talk) 23:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- According to the article, he's covered on three pages of Świat Żużla. That should be checked. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also, finding two stories here and here ("Magosi Norbert is one of the most important figures in Hungarian motorsport") wasn't difficult. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The same as this amongst others...Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Sakhir Formula 3 round (which I nominated, where are the SIGCOV for these too) SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think we're closer to needing to delete those championship articles than we are to being able to use them as an indication of notability. 5225C (talk • contributions) 08:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @SpacedFarmer, all sportspeople must meet SPORTCRIT #5 regardless of meeting a sport-specific criterion. Where is the SIGCOV? JoelleJay (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – Not much to discuss really, sources in the article are unhelpful (databases and speedway organiser-affiliated outlets) and no signs of significant coverage in the usual places. The lack of a Hungarian language article is somewhat telling. 5225C (talk • contributions) 06:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm not swayed by the brief intros to two interviews in the same county paper. No other coverage has turned up. JoelleJay (talk) 02:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ricky Kling (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, almost all primary sources provided. The one independent source is a 1 line mention of this person. LibStar (talk) 07:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep As a national U21 champion, pass criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- In which category of criteria four do you believe the Swedish Junior Speedway Championship falls under? It appears to be amateur, not professional, and of questionable national significance. 5225C (talk • contributions) 08:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Swedish U21 Championship is fully professional, not amateur. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Could you provide a source for that? 5225C (talk • contributions) 10:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Swedish U21 Championship is fully professional, not amateur. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- In which category of criteria four do you believe the Swedish Junior Speedway Championship falls under? It appears to be amateur, not professional, and of questionable national significance. 5225C (talk • contributions) 08:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Rode in the highest possible tier of not only the British league (equivalent of football's premier league) but also the Swedish league. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have added three more non primary sources references to the article, plenty more out there. Pyeongchang (talk) 10:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The sources are 1, 2. Stats page
. 3. SPS stats page
. 4. Team site
. 5. 2-4 non-quote sentences with zero encyclopedic secondary coverage (e.g. "But the Eastbourne Eagles reserve hopes...")
. 6. Trivial mention in transactional news
. 7. Interview with barely one sentence of secondary background info
. 8. Namedrop in transactional news
. 9. Team site
. JoelleJay (talk) 22:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, meets NBIO/GNG. There's several articles with significant coverage of him in Swedish media: [19], [20], [21], [22] AlexandraAVX (talk) 13:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Leaning delete: First and last of sources brought up are very short pieces merely stating that he will participate in some competition or other, so not WP:SIGCOV. The two others are paywalled, so I can't say much about those and they may prove me wrong. On my side, didn't find anything better than name drops. Regarding the possible WP:NMOTORSPORT C4, the U21 championship seems far from national importance, given it has very little coverage and is not even mentioned in Speedway in Sweden. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 15:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I've added three sources. One is a very short news piece, but the other two have more substance. /Julle (talk) 09:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - additional sources added which shows notability per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 13:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Part of 5 keep !votes in 5 minutes, BabbaQ (talk · contribs) including this one in a similar AfD saying there are third party sources when there are none. LibStar (talk) 01:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- LibStar: Just a minor note that the statement that Gunnar Malmqvist has no third-party sources isn't entirely correct – while I haven't gone through all the others to assess them I've added at least one newspaper article myself a couple of weeks ago. /Julle (talk) 06:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Part of 5 keep !votes in 5 minutes, BabbaQ (talk · contribs) including this one in a similar AfD saying there are third party sources when there are none. LibStar (talk) 01:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Per @AlexandraAVX. I also found https://www.smalandsdagblad.se/2021-10-19/kling-hoppas-fa-vetlanda-pa-ratt-vag-igen-en-stor-utmaning and https://vt.se/sport/speedway/artikel/ricky-kling-till-vetlanda/jdgzwz4j, this is wp:SIGCOV for wp:SPORTCRIT alone. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 04:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Gunnar Malmqvist (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 14:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep – same as my argument for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Long (speedway rider) thathe was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Commenting here to note to the closing administrator that no such criteria exists in NMOTORSPORT. 5225C (talk • contributions) 09:41, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I've added one additional reference from a Swedish newspaper, but I've only got access to things far more recent than Gunnar Malmqvist's career at home. A search in he newspaper archive of the Royal Library of Sweden gives some promising results, if someone's got access to it through e.g. the university connection (though it's the wrong time of the year to be present on campus, I suppose). /Julle (talk) 03:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep - Sources are third party sources. Passes WP:NMOTORSPORT.BabbaQ (talk) 13:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- The sources are not third party. Can you state which criteria of NMOTORSPORT is applicable? 5225C (talk • contributions) 15:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Did BabbaQ actually look at this article? LibStar (talk) 16:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Henry Long (speedway rider) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. Nothing found when searching ["Henry Long " speedway] LibStar (talk) 03:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- That isn't a criteria of WP:NMOTORSPORT? 5225C (talk • contributions) 03:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- That criteria can be summed up in two words - utter ******* - too overly biased on circuit racing and overly biased on multi-round championships too IMO, because the sport attracts their fanboys. As with #9, how many classes are there at the Bonneville Speed Week? How many records are up for grabs there by SCTA? Or that does not count as notability despite media talking about the cars in that event?I think the criteria for world championship speedway should be at least 2 or more appearances in title clinching finals. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- You can't appeal to your ideal version of the guideline. It doesn't say what you want it to. 5225C (talk • contributions) 05:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- A criteria for WP:NTRACK above says
"Finished top 8 in a competition at the highest level outside of the Olympic Games and world championships."
This means all finalists at those two events pass notabilty as there are 8 lanes on an IAAF approved track. This is what my point is based on. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)- NTRACK is for track and field athletes. The IAAF is the old name of the governing body for athletics, not for speedway. I don't understand why you would build your argument on a notability guideline for an entirely different sport. 5225C (talk • contributions) 01:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with above comment from 5225. LibStar (talk) 03:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- NTRACK is for track and field athletes. The IAAF is the old name of the governing body for athletics, not for speedway. I don't understand why you would build your argument on a notability guideline for an entirely different sport. 5225C (talk • contributions) 01:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- A criteria for WP:NTRACK above says
- You can't appeal to your ideal version of the guideline. It doesn't say what you want it to. 5225C (talk • contributions) 05:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- That criteria can be summed up in two words - utter ******* - too overly biased on circuit racing and overly biased on multi-round championships too IMO, because the sport attracts their fanboys. As with #9, how many classes are there at the Bonneville Speed Week? How many records are up for grabs there by SCTA? Or that does not count as notability despite media talking about the cars in that event?I think the criteria for world championship speedway should be at least 2 or more appearances in title clinching finals. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- That isn't a criteria of WP:NMOTORSPORT? 5225C (talk • contributions) 03:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Primary sources only, no indication of notability. No sources presented to prove otherwise. 5225C (talk • contributions) 03:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Karel Průša (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources refer to sports results except for one, which is an interview with the person concerned. Searching the internet for "Karel Průša" shows other people with the same name. Same case as the recently nominated Bedřich Slaný. FromCzech (talk) 06:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle. Pyeongchang (talk) 08:44, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
- The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech (talk) 09:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify. Competing or even winning at the pinnacle of a sport, whether Grand Prix or Olympics, is not a valid inclusion criterion. SPORTCRIT requires GNG be met and for a GNG-contributing source to be cited in the article. If the "Speedway A-Z" source is not SPS then that would probably satisfy SPORTCRIT, but multiple sources are needed for GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 03:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep meet WP:NSPORT He has notable achievements in speedway racing, including a silver medal in the Czechoslovak Individual Championship and participation in the 1962 Speedway World Team Cup. Yakov-kobi (talk) 09:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Draftify - basically per JoelleJay. We've rejected the idea of automatic notability in WP:NSPORTS2022, and the assertion that this person is notable simply for having competed in the Speedway World Cup is basically that. Similarly a silver medal in a national-level tournament, in a minor sport and relatively small competitive environment, should also not be an automatic pass for notability. These criteria were only ever intended as an indication that WP:GNG was likely passed - if doubt is cast on GNG being passed we still need to find sources, and none have been found so far. Delete can also work but it appears that some people are willing to put in the work to get this over the line though to be honest I don't see that happening as likely. FOARP (talk) 08:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources only refer to passing mentions and sports results. Searching the internet for "Bedřich Slaný" shows other people with the same name. FromCzech (talk) 05:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: The Czech version cs:Bedřich Slaný of the article says (without a reference) that he died on 11 October 1980. Perhaps a news article about him or an obituary in a reliable source was published shortly after his death. Someone with access to Czechoslovak news media from 1980 might want to search for references from October 1980. The Wikipedia Library would also be worth searching. If you find one or more useful references, please add them to the Czech version cs:Bedřich Slaný as well., Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle. Pyeongchang (talk) 08:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
- The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech (talk) 09:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, I meant in general that if for Olympic sports the participation of an athlete in the Olympics is not a criterion of notability, the participation of a speedway racer in the Speedway World Cup is also not a criterion of notability. The sources you have added here and elsewhere do not demonstrate notability according to Wikipedia criteria.Redirect to 1962 Speedway World Team Cup may be an alternative to deletion. FromCzech (talk) 09:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect, we do not have sources demonstrating GNG is met, only passing mentions. JoelleJay (talk) 23:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is not a valid notability criterion. NSPORT requires GNG be met. JoelleJay (talk) 03:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- "title clinching finalist of a world championship event" does not appear in WP:NMOTORSPORT as an accomplishment which leads to a presumption of notability. 5225C (talk • contributions) 03:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete It lacks independent coverage in reliable sources beyond brief mentions in secondary sources. It fails to establish notability according to WP:N. Yakov-kobi (talk) 12:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- He's mentioned a number of times on Hungarian newspaper archive Arcanum – after he died an international race was named in his honor: "Druhý ročník Memoriálu Bedřicha Slaného je dalším významným mezinárodním závodem" [The second year of the Bedřich Slaného Memorial is another important international race]. The fact that an international race of some importance was named in his honor shows significance. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 02:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting as there is still no consensus. My closer instinct says to Redirect this article, which would retain the content, but I don't see a consensus to do this.
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Non-notable league, unreferenced. Fails WP:GNG. I haven't found any coverage online, though admittedly, I'm not familiar with this topic area at all. As such, please ping me if sources are found. Thanks. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 08:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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Declined prod. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NCRIC. A player is unlikely to be notable with just 1 first class game. LibStar (talk) 23:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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I don't see any notability, either through achievements or through sources. The article states something about trading cards, which doesn't contribute to notability. I don't know whether this is the same article that was discussed in the 1st and 2nd nomination. Feel free to G4. Geschichte (talk) 20:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- I don't think its the same ones before, it's hard to find stuff on Reno 1868 anymore since the team went defunct. It was easy to find some of his stuff on official released trading cards, then the simpson university NAIA head coaching job and holding his USSF a license, the same article says he was a member of the Chicago Fire Pro MLS team as well as played for SJSU.
- I just saw he didn't have an article. he's just one of the obscure players, and he came up on reddit for not having one so i made one. I've been a long time wiki reader and edit some stuff here and there but finally logged into make an account. CardzRC (talk) 21:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- He also has a very common name so a lot of ian andersons out there. CardzRC (talk) 21:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for clearing some things up. And welcome to Wikipedia! When someone doesn't have an article, sometimes there is a reason for that, though. Geschichte (talk) 21:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Lots of American MLS/USL players who are very obscure i noticed don't have pages, but they sit on rosters and find themselves filling out rosters all there career. MLS / USL is a very different compared to the most established leagues in the world. I hope they can be recognized for their accomplishments.
- And thanks, I love wiki. I'm a soccer history buff lol CardzRC (talk) 21:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I also don't know how to cite a source from a physical game program or media guide. Which people do have those, and I can get access to. CardzRC (talk) 21:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- JSA also doesn't authenticate non athletics/celebrity signatures/memorabilia either, someone posted that on reddit the certification for him, so I was able to research the serial number and did locate he does infact have a SJ Earthquakes jersey in their archive CardzRC (talk) 21:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for clearing some things up. And welcome to Wikipedia! When someone doesn't have an article, sometimes there is a reason for that, though. Geschichte (talk) 21:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Beck Strommer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, an American figure skater, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The closest to WP:SIGCOV I located was probably this. JTtheOG (talk) 19:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Satisfies the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...which say that SIGCOV is likely to exist. I was unable to find any. JTtheOG (talk) 20:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete'. Fails WP:SIGCOV. I am only finding trivial mentions such as [23] Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete All junior level except a local competition, lacks significant coverage. Reywas92Talk 23:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Philadelphia Summer Championships are an international competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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I had a look at the sources and had a little look on google, but I simply don't see the article passing the general criteria for even basic WP:GNG. Govvy (talk) 15:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Does not meet WP:GNG criteria. Lack of sources, no significant coverage. Insignificant footballer with only 12 starts in professional football, last being in May 2022, more than 2 years ago. Maybe one day he will restart his career, but WP:NOTJUSTYET. FromCzech (talk) 05:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- There were added references and sources to prove media coverage. At the end of the article there is statement about WP:STUB, which is perfectly sufficient and says that anyone can improve the site by expanding it. Pospeak (talk) 06:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Notability still not proven, sources still unsufficient. FromCzech (talk) 07:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Notability has been proved by adding 3 references and 3 external links. That is more than many others footballer pages. Perfectly sufficient for stub. Pospeak (talk) 15:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Notability still not proven, sources still unsufficient. FromCzech (talk) 07:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – I saw his name on 7th Supreme People's Assembly but am not sure if this footballer is/was the same man as the member of parliament. Unless we can prove their relation, I'm leaning towards Delete. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep: likely fails wp:GNG, but deemed notable by essay wp:FOOTYN. Represented North Korea in 4 FIFA matches in Hong Kong, Indonesia, and Japan. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 10:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NFOOTY has been superseded by WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 13:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Kelvin Mullarkey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and is based on primary sources. Google books search comes up with 4 hits, but they don't appear to be indepth coverage. LibStar (talk) 03:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep double national champion per #4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please explain how this meets WP:SPORTCRIT Geschichte (talk) 14:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Mai Moncaster (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am unable to find enough significant coverage from third-party sources to meet the general notability guidelines. Biographies of living persons require independent sourcing. An WP:ATD is to draftify the article while more sources come up. JTtheOG (talk) 22:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nomination. I don't see this page as a potential draft. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails notability, most things in this page is wrong and fake. she never won a medal at the World Championship (but Military Games) , she also never won gold medal in the Asian Games 2013. she has no important achievement to make her notable. Sports2021 (talk) 20:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I made some corrections to the article. I changed the gold medal in the table from World Championship to World Military Games, the Asian Games weren't held in 2013, and she did appear at the 2015 world championships (but lost in the round of 16). Her gold medal in 2013 was in a youth division, which is not considered to show WP notability. The World Military Games have never been thought to show WP notability in the martial arts--a number of American martial artists who won medals there have had their articles deleted. Some of the women's TKD divisions didn't even have enough competitors to award the 4 medals (gold, silver, 2 bronze) allocated. The other events mentioned are minor ones. Other than results reporting, I don't see sufficient significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG and nothing to show WP:NSPORT or WP:MANOTE is met. Papaursa (talk) 23:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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fails notability. another article with fake information. this guy won gold medal in Asian "Junior" Championship which is not notable enough. and that part about "first place in the Olympic selection competitions held in Asia" is completely wrong. he didn't achieve anything notable yet. Sports2021 (talk) 20:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2002 Winter Olympics#Nordic combined because I could not find any significant coverage of this athlete to meet WP:GNG. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 11:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Leaning Keep per the extensive German article with several offline sources which appear to give several pages of coverage to him. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The German article mostly provides database and not significant coverage in reliable sources. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Did you look at Enzyklopädie des Skispringens which provides pages of coverage to him? BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- The German article mostly provides database and not significant coverage in reliable sources. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect? I had a look at the one link 11v11 [24] and it said FIFA World Cup Asia group 4, in 1980 December, and one game played in 1981 January all in the same tournament, so there maybe a redirect available for his name. Was trying to work it out for a possible redirect. If not guess it's a delete. Govvy (talk) 10:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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We don't normally create articles for players playing just 1 first class match. Only primary sources provided. Fails WP:NCRIC. LibStar (talk) 01:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- The worst case situation here is a redirect to List of Irish first-class cricketers, with a partial merge to a note so that the biographical details and references can be preserved. Given the quality of information at this source the chances are that there are contemporary press records offline that could be used to build a proper biography. Liddle appears to be the go to expert on Irish cricketers and clearly wrote for the ACS on the subject - a set of his biographies can be found here for future reference. It might be worth a keep based on Liddle's biography and the fact that he got a Wisden obituary (which is not a gimme, especially for single appearance players), but I'd rather see something a bit more contemporary in news sources. But it really is redirect at the worst - this is never a delete situation. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Only primary sources provided. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 00:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment. A certain amount of these speedway AFDs seem somewhat premature, coming in rapid succession. Where are you doing your WP:BEFORE? Please don't answer Google, I'd like to direct the attention here. Geschichte (talk) 07:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Some have been deleted, some have been retained. It's not really rapid succession. LibStar (talk) 07:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- But to what extent have you done WP:BEFORE searches? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Some have been deleted, some have been retained. It's not really rapid succession. LibStar (talk) 07:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep national champion per #4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Vitali Yatsko (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A 'senior coach' is not the manager and is not an inherently notable position, especially since WP:FOOTYN is no longer valid. I can't find anything more than passing mentions of Yatsko, including the 4 references already used. My own searches yielded nothing better than Sports.kz and Sports Daily, both passing mentions again. Does not seem to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Per nom, Govvy (talk) 10:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. The references and external links are all database type entries. North8000 (talk) 20:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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I propose the deletion of the Wikipedia article on Noah Holcomb for the following reasons:
Lack of Notability:
According to Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines, a topic is presumed notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Upon thorough research, Noah Holcomb does not meet this criterion. The available sources primarily consist of minor mentions and local coverage, which do not constitute significant coverage. Insufficient Reliable Sources:
The sources cited in the article do not meet the standard of reliable, secondary sources. Most of the references are primary sources or lack the editorial oversight needed to be considered reliable. There is a scarcity of independent coverage from reputable media outlets, academic publications, or other authoritative sources. Failure to Meet Sports Notability Criteria:
For athletes, Wikipedia's Sports Notability Guidelines specify that individuals should have achieved significant success in major international competitions at the highest level. Noah Holcomb has not been documented to have such achievements. His sports career, as detailed in the article, does not include any significant milestones that would warrant notability under these guidelines. Verifiability and Independence Issues:
Wikipedia's Verifiability Policy requires that all content must be verifiable and based on reliable sources. Much of the information in the article lacks independent verification and appears to be derived from sources closely associated with Holcomb, thereby compromising the objectivity required for a Wikipedia article. Consensus from the Community:
Previous discussions and evaluations by the Wikipedia community have highlighted similar concerns regarding the subject's notability. There has been a consistent lack of support for maintaining the article due to the reasons mentioned above. Given these points, I believe the article on Noah Holcomb does not meet Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. I recommend deletion to maintain the quality and reliability of the encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiUserExplorer23 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails SPORTBASIC/GNG. Couldn't find any significant coverage at all. Though I recommend the nominator not use ChatGPT to generate their comments in the future. C F A 💬 20:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Navin Khanna (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No indication of notability at all. I'm surprised this has been up this long. A Google search returns nothing (and for me there are more results about a Toronto lawyer than anything else). In-article sources are either trivial mentions or don't mention the subject at all. Looks like a case of WP:REFBOMBING. C F A 💬 03:03, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Can find potential sources for other Navin Khannas. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: per the nomination. Along with Traumnovelle, I can only find results about other people with the same name. TarnishedPathtalk 05:54, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Does not meet notability guidelines, including general biography and sports. MohReddy (talk) 16:56, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong delete: As it failed in WP:GNG and WP:WELLKNOWN criteria to meet notability. 2402:AD80:A1:8D76:1:0:E275:1FDD (talk) 21:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- List of intersex Olympians (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Redirected by Kingsif but I think this article is well written and should be kept. But merge is also possible. --MikutoH talk! 00:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect fail to see how this meets WP:NLIST. Saying that this can't be at AfD due to copyright is incorrect. AfD can decide to redirect a page as an alternative to deletion. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I am slightly confused for the rationale of @Kingsif for how the new article Sex verification and intersex athletes at the Olympic Games came to be if it's largely a copy of this current article with a new title and slight expansion - it seems more like the article Sex verification and intersex athletes at the Olympic Games should never have had this list copied over there and that list content moved back into this article here. I see that it was mentioned at Talk:List of intersex Olympians#New discussion on how to present article - but didn't actually see any consensus to just move this list here to over there. The only consensus I saw there was to mention controversial cases there, not to have this entire list of athletes in it, which arguably doesn't neccesarily have anything to do with Sex verification.
- In any case, AfD for this article here is wrong since we can't delete this article here, given that it serves as the history for the other article per our WP:COPYRIGHT rules for page history.
- So I think reading that linked discussion, keeping this stand-alone list article separate and moving the list content back out of that other article and just linking it back to this list article would be more appropriate per WP:PRECISE. Raladic (talk) 00:49, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- WP:PRECISE is a policy on article titling, not about content. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming you read to the end of that discussion, there was agreement for
convert the article [List of intersex Olympians] to be about sex verification and include a list of cases
. Which is what happened - you’ll see the rationale at the talkpage is largely about how the content is framed, and at least one user has already appreciated the change. Besides that, there have been, last year and this year, users concerned that a contextless list is vulnerable to readers misunderstanding and/or malicious editors vandalising. Of course, you’re allowed the opinion that the list is better standalone… - I’m not sure why the nominator here jumped to an AfD instead of asking about the decision to redirect — and then, if they disagreed, starting or joining talkpage discussion. But I would encourage you (and the nom, and everyone else) to join talkpage discussion. As the main maintainer of the article(s), I’m trying my best to get users involved in discussion aiming at improvements, and then implementing improvements, because it’s a subject that can’t really be left unmaintained. The more participation and different views (which can come together to find a middle ground that may be ideal), the better. Kingsif (talk) 11:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I interpreted
This was part of my thinking to convert the article to be about sex verification and include a list of cases
meaning the list moved over there would be a list of specific cases, not the entirely of the list of any intersex athlete. Raladic (talk) 22:09, 11 August 2024 (UTC)- Ah, I see! Still, "convert[ing] the article" is pretty unambiguously indicating that List of intersex Olympians as it was, would cease to exist, which was agreed. If you have more thoughts on how the subject should be presented, please let me know Kingsif (talk) 09:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- As you correctly pointed out, I wasn't part of the original discussion, so I only have my retroactive eye to look at it.
- I still believe that the new article that does have the good expanded scope of discussing sex verification at the Olympics involving intersex athletes as an article and is very worthwhile, but I could see it more as a WP:SPLIT of the original list article and both could co-exist with the new Sex verification and intersex athletes at the Olympic Games talking more about the context you already expanded and talking about notably cases of sex verification involving intersex athletes (such as there being contention or so), while the List of intersex Olympians could continue to exist as a historic record of all notable intersex athletes at the Olympics, which is why I invoked WP:PRECISE earlier, as I'd believe if someone were to search for such a list, they would more likely expect it to be at such a title and may be confused why it is intermingled with sex verification that has more scope beyond that.
- But that being said, if the community arrives at a consensus that the merge is preferred (now that this has gotten more attention via the AfD, since you called out that it hadn't gotten much participation earlier, which is arguably how I came across it through one of the Wikiproject notification of the AfD), then I won't stand in the way of it. In any case, thank you for your helpful work on both articles :) Raladic (talk) 15:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I see! Still, "convert[ing] the article" is pretty unambiguously indicating that List of intersex Olympians as it was, would cease to exist, which was agreed. If you have more thoughts on how the subject should be presented, please let me know Kingsif (talk) 09:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I interpreted
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- Redirect to Sex verification and intersex athletes at the Olympic Games: Appears to fail WP:NLIST. Article can be redirected to preserve edit history. TarnishedPathtalk 06:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep -- pace User:TarnishedPath, I think this does meet WP:NLIST: searching "intersex Olympic athletes" into Google comes up with a whole range of sources where intersex athletes are
discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources
, which is the bar set by NLIST. UndercoverClassicist T·C 09:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC)- @UndercoverClassicist, per WP:NLIST "
Notability of lists (whether titled as "List of Xs" or "Xs") is based on the group
. The notability of a list/group/set is not based on the notability of its members. In order for a list to be notable we must be able to find multiple reliable secondary sources, which are independent from the subject which discuss the list/group/set in depth. I couldn't find that when I conducted searches. TarnishedPathtalk 10:05, 11 August 2024 (UTC)- Yes -- there are many good sources that discuss intersex athletes as a group or category. See for instance this book, largely on the topic, this Guardian article (on the topic of intersex athletes, inspired by Caster Semenya), extensive discussion in Foreign Policy here, in Sports Med Open here. Per NLIST, it is not required that those sources should list intersex athletes, or that any given member of our list should be discussed in them. UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- @UndercoverClassicist, per WP:NLIST "
- Redirect This was discussed at the talkpage beforehand. Given that there is minimal attention there - despite notifying related talk pages - the three person consensus seemed actionable. But yeah, don't know why the nom and another !vote don't know why it was redirected (and would love everyone here to be involved with discussions in future!).
WRT the nom's concerns, the list still exists at the target of the redirect, and the prose content has been merged there. You could effectively consider it a page title move if concerned about losing content (not done as a page move because of incorporating prose from other articles, too) - there was agreement that presenting the list with more context would be beneficial to reader understanding. Kingsif (talk) 10:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC) - Redirect as above, it's fully covered there, and there seems no proper reason for having this as a separate article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect Folks, let's not have two articles on the same topic. Yes, articles are allowed to have lists in them and list pages are allowed to have prose sections, they don't have to have be separate. Including the list in the new article makes the most sense. Reywas92Talk 16:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment On a related note, I would like to ask nominator @MikutoH: why they created Intersex people in sports as itself a redirect to List of intersex Olympians? Those are different topics and if the former should redirect to anything, Sex verification in sports is a more apt target. Kingsif (talk) 21:59, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I confused the target with Sex verification in sports. Withdraw my AfD and restore the redirect, and retarget Intersex people in sports. --MikutoH talk! 23:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Bruno Font (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG. All I could find was mentions in routine match coverage. Dougal18 (talk) 13:33, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: per nom. No significant coverage. C F A 💬 18:57, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. There does seem to be some coverage, e.g. 1 2 3 4. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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Another long-time stub of a Slovak footballer named Matúš, he last played for Spartak Trnava in 2021 before disappearing from the football world. My Google showed nothing better than brief mentions and routine coverage, including this one. I've checked corresponding articles in other Wikipedia languages but none of them provide significant coverage; the Slovak one has been tagged for notability issues since 2021 so it obviously will not help copy over English article. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment
he last played for Spartak Trnava in 2021 before disappearing from the football world.
Well, he was 35 in 2021 so probably retired. Over a 12-year career between 2009 and 2021 Turňa made close to 300 appearances in the Slovak First Football League, the first tier of Slovakian football which was fully professional in all of that time (Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues). I'd be surprised if there's no WP:SIGCOV; I'll have a look later. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Your comment is based on a guideline that has been abandoned following NSPORTS2022. The fact that someone has made over 100 appearances in a fully-professional league or senior national team is no longer supported. This article needs to actually meet WP:GNG in order for it to be kept. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 11:07, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Huh? I didn't state that their number of appearances was sufficient. Note how I didn't even write "keep" and how I said I'd look for SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning keep per previous commenter and some significant coverage found here. Lots of coverage here and there, and it's interesting to me that he was named the 10th best domestic signing during a particular transfer window. They would not name run-of-the-mill players in the top 10. Geschichte (talk) 19:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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An AfD was recently created for this page, and the outcome was to delete it. It has now been created again with no meaningful improvement. Anwegmann (talk) 23:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Does G4 apply here? C F A 💬 00:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Never mind, it was soft deleted. C F A 💬 00:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The article can stay because: 1. There are other articles of size and shape on Wikipedia, e.g. Artur Rudko, Jon Šporn and so on. 2. On the other hand the article about Roman Savchenko (footballer) will grow and get better over time. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 08:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per the last AfD and consider full protection. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why delete? The footballer played/plays for two clubs belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, and his contract belongs to the champion of Ukrainian Premier League 2023/24. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I didn't understood the first delition, and can't understand the current one: he played for two clubs belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, his contract belongs to the champion of Ukraine. He has similar coverage as his teammates. --Noel baran (talk) 10:08, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Correct me if I'm wrong but there is no mention of playing in the highest Ukrainian tier in either WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. No significant coverage means no article. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 12:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- About evidence of notability: He played for two clubs belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football. For sources please see References/External links in the article. What is SALT? Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Playing for a specific club or in a specific league is not evidence of notability. Every source you have presented is WP:ROUTINE and thus not WP:SIGCOV. Given how many pages you have created, you should know this already. Anwegmann (talk) 21:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- About evidence of notability: He played for two clubs belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football. For sources please see References/External links in the article. What is SALT? Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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Appears to be a very young player who may have WP:SIGCOV one day but does not currently meet those standards. Anwegmann (talk) 23:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - Firstly, the age of the player (old or young player) is imho not a criterion for deciding whether to delete an article or leave it. The article can stay because: 1. There are other articles of size and shape on Wikipedia, e.g. Artur Rudko, Jon Šporn and so on. 2. On the other hand the article about Vladyslav Kalyn will grow and get better over time. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 09:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
There are other articles of size and shape on Wikipedia
That's not a compelling argument; see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.On the other hand the article about Vladyslav Kalyn will grow and get better over time.
The article could made a draft for now then and be re-published when there is WP:SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no guarantee that the article will improve or that Kalyn will become notable over time, this would appear to be a WP:CRYSTAL argument. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- In my opinion Kalyn is already notable. He plays for club belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, and he played/scored for Ukraine national U17 football team in the 2023 UEFA European U17 Championship qualification. His contract belongs to the runner-up of the Ukrainian Premier League 2023/24 (FC Dynamo Kyiv). About improvement of the article: I try to do my best since I've created the article. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 12:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- For example: External link 1, External link 2, External link 3, External link 4, External link 5, External link 6 Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 13:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Web-wiki-warrior, the sources you found are match reports from UEFA which do not contribute towards WP:SPORTBASIC. This footballer needs to meet GNG in order for his article to be kept. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 11:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- About links: There are not only links from UEFA. I've also added links with Kalyn's profile at upl.ua, pfl.ua, Soccerway.com, footballdatabase.eu, worldfootball.net, fbref.com.
- 1. On the page you meant (WP:SPORTBASIC) I couldn't find any WP:SPORTBASIC (notability) criteria if we talk about a soccer player/footballer. Please give an example of a wikipedia article which provides WP:SPORTBASIC (notability) criteria for a football player. 2. What is GNG? Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are all football database/stats entries that don't provide significant coverage of the subject and do not count towards SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. C F A 💬 19:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Imho at least soccerway.com provides significant coverage of the subject. The same can be said about uefa.com. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are all football database/stats entries that don't provide significant coverage of the subject and do not count towards SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. C F A 💬 19:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Web-wiki-warrior, the sources you found are match reports from UEFA which do not contribute towards WP:SPORTBASIC. This footballer needs to meet GNG in order for his article to be kept. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 11:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- For example: External link 1, External link 2, External link 3, External link 4, External link 5, External link 6 Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 13:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect. WP:SPORTBASIC clearly excludes database sources (e.g. UEFA, Soccerway) when it comes to notability; Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources.. I suggest you read that guideline in full. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: fails SPORTBASIC. C F A 💬 14:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please give an example of a wikipedia article which provides WP:SPORTBASIC (notability) criteria for a football player. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Joel Waterman. C F A 💬 19:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. It is ok, but imho article about Vladyslav Kalyn's has similar coverage as some of his teammates who don't provide wikipedia articles for deletion. And as I mentioned above: Kalyn is already notable. He plays for club belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, and he played/scored for Ukraine national U17 football team in the 2023 UEFA European U17 Championship qualification. His contract belongs to the runner-up of the Ukrainian Premier League 2023/24 (Dynamo Kyiv). Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:09, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Joel Waterman. C F A 💬 19:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please give an example of a wikipedia article which provides WP:SPORTBASIC (notability) criteria for a football player. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - clearly none of the sources offered demonstrate WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. In my own searches, I can find sport.if.ua, but it's not enough on its own. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- >clearly none of the sources offered demonstrate WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG
- In my opinion all provided sources demonstrate WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. As I mentioned above/before: Kalyn is already notable. He plays for club belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, and he played/scored for Ukraine national U17 football team in the 2023 UEFA European U17 Championship qualification. His contract belongs to the runner-up of the Ukrainian Premier League 2023/24 (FC Dynamo Kyiv).
- >In my own searches, I can find sport.if.ua
- Thank you for the link. I have no problem to get the source from https://sport.if.ua/2024/06/26/nashi-profi-pidsumky-sezonu-chempionat-u-19-upl/. The player is mentioned again there.
- Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 09:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. per WP:SPORTBASIC. Not even one source offering significant, in-depth coverage of Kalyn has been presented. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- In response to your comment He plays for club belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, and he played/scored for Ukraine national U17 football team in the 2023 UEFA European U17 Championship qualification. - please can you directly quote a Wikipedia guideline that states that this means he is notable? Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Melvin Wandelaar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. No sources. --Bocanegra (talk) 22:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Strong delete, next to nothing outside of Wikipedia mirrors. An embarrassing article to have. Geschichte (talk) 08:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 12:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Very far from passing the GNG. gidonb (talk) 15:13, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG without significant coverage. The closest news source I found regarding him is SME which mentions that he has a brother named Marek. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 13:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails the GNG, and any iteration of NHOCKEY, with a brief career in the Slovak minor leagues. Ravenswing 18:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge What little information is on the page can be safely added into the page of his much more famous brother Marek Viedenský. 193.87.134.38 (talk) 07:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Certainly no prejudice against a redirect. Ravenswing 13:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Marek Viedenský. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 13:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. Google news yields 2 possible third party sources but they are routine coverage of retiring and missing out on a season. LibStar (talk) 23:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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Aside from dying in World War I, this player does not seem to rise to WP:NCRICKET. I already removed some information about his brother and his mother, as they lacked sources. The article is looking pretty bare at this point. Hornpipe2 (talk) 17:48, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- weak delete: Found a book describing him as a "first class cricketeer" [25] but it's barely a few paragraphs. This is also a brief mention [26]. Just don't have enough on this fellow. Oaktree b (talk) 19:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Mentioned in plenty of book sources, in quite some detail. AA (talk) 20:44, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Where, we don't have any listed? Oaktree b (talk) 21:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Final Wicket: Test and First Class Cricketers Killed in the Great War (which I have) goes into great detail on him. Wisden has an obituary on him in its 1918 edition, which also goes into a good degree of detail. I'd imagine there's coverage in newspapers from the time too, The Times certainly mentions him following his death. AA (talk) 22:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is all fine and I appreciate the additional resources added, but, does that still make him a "notable" player in the eyes of WP:NCRICKET? I'm hardly knowledgeable of cricket, does
- "he represented Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) and also Middlesex in two first-class matches in 1912."
- counts as "Have played at the international level for a Test-playing nation"? Hornpipe2 (talk) 00:09, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- NCRICKET goes on to say "Additionally, cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level, or in the lower levels of international cricket, may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof." Playing for Middlesex in first-class cricket counts as "the highest domestic level", so it depends on whether he has "sufficient coverage". Going by what AA has written, he probably does. JH (talk page) 08:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Final Wicket: Test and First Class Cricketers Killed in the Great War (which I have) goes into great detail on him. Wisden has an obituary on him in its 1918 edition, which also goes into a good degree of detail. I'd imagine there's coverage in newspapers from the time too, The Times certainly mentions him following his death. AA (talk) 22:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Where, we don't have any listed? Oaktree b (talk) 21:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm inclined toward keep here, although the very worst case situation would be a redirect to List of Middlesex County Cricket Club players with a note added to include the reference detail. There's a Wisden obituary with some detail and I would be surprised if there weren't other obituaries - Eton, The Times etc.... Given his family and status this seems very, very likely - I'd suggest that with any war death that a significant BEFORE should really take place as there's often a scad load of detail out there and as a person he would appear to me to be clearly notable in terms of the sorts of things we'd look for. The book that is referred to above is usually a detailed source as well, and Sandford also appears to mention him in his The Final Over: The Cricketers of Summer 1914 - there's story about him uncovering a diamond worth £1 million in Kashmir. No idea where that came from, but there's clearly coverage out there about the chap and he seems notable to me. Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Does not meet any of the criteria listed for track & field and long-distance running. (1) did not finish top 8 of the European Athletics Championships, Commonwealth Games, or any of the 6 World Major Marathons. (2) did not finish in the top 3 in any other major senior-level international competition. (3) Have not won an individual gold medal at the IAAF World Junior Championships or Youth World Championships. The list continues. Also, 2 out of the 4 sources used are sport-aggregate websites that collect statistics about any and every athlete. In the 3rd ref, he was mentioned in passing. He might be good at the Youth level, but he did not win any international events. FuzzyMagma (talk) 15:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Leaning Keep. The Sudanese flagbearer at the 2024 Olympics. Significant coverage here and here in accordance with WP:GNG. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Two sources above are fine for notability. Rest are also helpful Oaktree b (talk) 16:25, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Strong Keep, the subject meets WP:NCOLLATH for the major NCAA DI school records he has set. Even if he didn't meet that criteria, the WP:GNG overriding the specific guidelines is met per above. Also, don't you think that if we wait just one more day, we will have some more articles / coverage considering he is running the Olympic marathon tomorrow? --Habst (talk) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep As others have mentioned, this page meets GNG, warranting inclusion, even if it did not meet any SNG (which it does). WP:SPORTBASIC: Meets the requirement of being the subject of multiple non-trivial publications (see the two currently referenced in the wiki page, with more to follow following the marathon). Furthermore, he has garnered African and American media attention as he is DEBUTING at the Olympic Marathon. Additionally, I am not sure what source references him in passing, but sports aggregate websites are not able to establish notability alone, however with the already existing sources where Abdalla is the subject, they are able to add context. --Wibbit23 (talk) 20:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep Tons of coverage and existing sources, really strange nomination. Also, NCAA is not "youth" level, and he competed in the Olympics... Seacactus 13 (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep He's a multiple national record holder Kaduuuuuu (talk) 13:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Rolandas Jasevičius (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. PROD was contested but unable to locate independent significant coverage of this individual. C679 06:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Seems to have been well-known in Lithuania, which Lithuanian media did you search in your WP:BEFORE? I found the basics in an Lithuanian Sports Encyclopedia, coverage of his European bronze in 2004 (career highlight = not WP:ROUTINE) and WP:SUSTAINED coverage of an assault later in 2004 that halted his career. Geschichte (talk) 07:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, per Geschichte. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comments/Question Competing at the Olympics is no longer sufficient to show WP notability, especially when you're badly beaten in the opening round (54-21). A bronze medal at the European championships doesn't meet any SNG and his semi-final bout was stopped in the second round of the fight (where he lost to someone who lost in the second round of the Olympics). The coverage of his bronze medal was just coverage of the results of the Lithuanian boxers in the event. His short listing in the Lithuanian Sports Encyclopedia is more of a database entry than an article. Being a crime victim doesn't make him WP notable, either. Since he fails WP:NOLY and WP:NBOX, he needs to meet WP:GNG. I don't read Lithuanian, but I can use Google translate. Can someone please point me to the coverage that shows he meets WP:GNG? Thank you. Papaursa (talk) 22:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Martin Nečas (footballer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG without significant coverage. I searched on Google and only the ice hockey player came up. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 12:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to List of Denmark List A cricketers. Liz Read! Talk! 23:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Sources provided are primary. Only played 1 list A game in his career. LibStar (talk) 23:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, only other sources available are statistic pages rather than any SIGCOV. StartGrammarTime (talk) 08:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Denmark List A cricketers. AA (talk) 22:13, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is, at the worst, a really, really obvious redirect to List of Denmark List A cricketers with a note added to retain the reference details. There may be detail in Danish sources - it's possible, but my Danish isn't good enough and Nielsen is way too common a name to narrow things down. Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 18:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- J. C. France (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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- This might fail WP:NMOTORSPORT — Preceding unsigned comment added by MysticCipher87(alt-account) (talk • contribs) 19:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - Am I reading it correctly that he only competed in one professional race? It appears he did not qualify (DNQ) and withdrew (WD) a few times, but I only see one actual race listed in all those tables. Being a member of the France family does not make him notable, so he needs to have made a name for himself in racing, and I don't see it. - Donald Albury 21:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thought I had found something here, but it just links to a bunch of news items, each of which just mentions J.C. as part of a driving team. I have found a number of pieces about his drunk-driving arrest, but that doesn't help. Also found a column he wrote himself about what he is doing now, and an interview which might be usable for details, but not for establishing notability. Donald Albury 22:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, notability is not inherited (WP:NOTINHERITED). SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep France competed in multiple full seasons of professional Grand Am racing. I will make that clear in the article. -Drdisque (talk) 21:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...but is there anything there to assert notability? The state of the article does not help. Often, I say rip it up and start afresh. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, he unequivocally passes WP:NMOTORSPORT. -Drdisque (talk) 15:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Grand-Am Daytona Prototypes - coming from a rare fan of the class - would be, in my opinion, a
"primarily-professional series of significant national importance"
, not of"international importance"
like I think you're arguing. Subject doesn't appear to have won any DP races, which is what would get a driver who competed at a level no higher than DP (which frankly, was never that high) to pass NMOTORSPORT. But that doesn't mean we should go around finding every DP driver article and sending it to AfD, as NMOTORSPORT really only tells us whether or not someone is likely to pass WP:GNG or not. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 16:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Grand-Am Daytona Prototypes - coming from a rare fan of the class - would be, in my opinion, a
- Yes, he unequivocally passes WP:NMOTORSPORT. -Drdisque (talk) 15:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...but is there anything there to assert notability? The state of the article does not help. Often, I say rip it up and start afresh. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - GNG is not met. Most of what I found on google about this subject is inadmissible per WP:BLPCRIME as subject was not found guilty of what the headlines accuse him of, and would fail WP:ROUTINE regardless. Most of what remains are the usual database sources such as racing-reference, DriverDB, etc. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 16:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Finn Ecrepont (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG, lacks SIGCOV. Dougal18 (talk) 11:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep The way the Ayrshire Post went on and on about him, there's enough coverage to meet GNG. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 09:35, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. One Daily Record source is decent - where is the rest? If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just from googling his name, there are at least five stories online which focus on him (so not mentions in general match reports or counting any of the stories from his 60-yard goal). The Ayrshire Post have also published at least six stories about him specifically, I don't know how many of these are online though. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Dean Hawkshaw (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Hawkshaw fails GNG with a lack of SIGCOV. Dougal18 (talk) 11:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep I don't see nothing wrong with the article, a full professional Scotland footballer with good basic coverage. Passes WP:BASIC in my view. Govvy (talk) 15:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Third party sourcing. WP:GNG passes.BabbaQ (talk) 16:18, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – Per above. Svartner (talk) 07:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment 12/17 sources are either stats or non-independent of Hawkshaw. Donegallive - Hawkshaw injured an opponent, Courier - he's playing after concussion, Daily Record 1 - "while Dean Hawkshaw has stepped up his rehabilitation from a knee injury", Daily Record 2, routine transfer news and Cumnock Chronicle "GLENAFTON brought new signing Dean Hawkshaw, pictured, into the starting 11 on Saturday and he made an instant impact." That isn't a GNG pass or a pass of BASIC. Dougal18 (talk) 07:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Adam Bednář (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 02:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment it might be too soon. I don't see anything other than mentions in event coverage. But there are mentions in event coverage; [27] is the best one I found; [28] [29] are closer to name-drops. Walsh90210 (talk) 03:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Danny Kennedy (speedway rider) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 03:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - No WP:SIGCOV about the guy Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 06:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The Evening Times from 1978 (here and here) states that they were the "Australian under-21 champion". It's not clear what Australian under-21 competition is being referred to, however this may go towards passing WP:NMOTORSPORT. TarnishedPathtalk 10:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Some coverage here and here; also found a brief bit from Old Bike Australasia two years ago ("Danny Kennedy, born in Ballarat in 1958, enjoyed seven seasons in UK from 1976 to 1982, the last four years riding for the Poole Pirates, where he was immensely popular. Sadly he died from a brain tumour in 1993."). What makes the book sources in the article primary? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per TarnishedPath's and BeanieFan11's recommendations. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:55, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Per BeanieFan11's and my comments above. TarnishedPathtalk 05:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Marko Levishyn (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 02:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom, lacks WP:SIGCOV as the sources is just databases Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:06, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep rode in the Speedway World Cup, the pinnacle of speedway Pyeongchang (talk) 10:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I support Pyeongchang's assertion that the SWC is "the pinnacle of speedway". We allow bios of sports that is the pinnacle of sport, so why can't this? SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It still needs to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT: A person is presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of significant coverage, that is, multiple published non-trivial secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject LibStar (talk) 05:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...or I say userfy for future notabiity since he is young and plenty to go. This nom maybe is a bio thus presumably different but I'll use this as an argument. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Sakhir Formula 3 round. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- It still needs to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT: A person is presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of significant coverage, that is, multiple published non-trivial secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject LibStar (talk) 05:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Matthew Immers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Immers fails GNG with a lack of SIGCOV. The sources are more focused on Steven van de Velde than Immers. Dougal18 (talk) 12:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect – I made a good faith effort to try and expand this earlier but Dougal18 is right, the sourcing is almost entirely about his connection to Steven van de Velde. They did win a match but I don't think that translates to a medal where WP:NOLYMPICS comes into play and even then that's presumptive notability. It's possible I'm not looking in the right places and the current coverage is just drowning out other aspects of this guy's career but I honestly haven't found anything. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect (& delete individual page). Athlete is not independently notable, which fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Even the German page about him has no independent sourcing. All notable mentions in the media are connected to Steven van de Velde. Silvymaro (talk) 14:42, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Netherlands_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Volleyball. (CC) Tbhotch™ 19:19, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I improved the article with a couple of his merits that are not related to van de Velde. Commonssense (talk) 20:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect The improvements - two youth appearances - are the definition of routine coverage, and passing mentions relating to non-notability-establishing tournaments, at that. And only two, but even if there were three (bare minimum of continued coverage), it's not sigcov. Kingsif (talk) 22:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect even after the improvements my Commonsense this still lacks Notability as it only came from one source, which I still don't know if it is WP:RS Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 06:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep - Steven van de Veldes article was a Keep and deemed notable per WP:GNG. This person is as well notable per good third party sources and Olympic appearance and sports career.BabbaQ (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- The premise of the AfD is that Immers' connection to someone notable (van de Velde) does not make Immers notable - arguing that someone else is notable is not a !keep argument, let alone a strong one. Kingsif (talk) 22:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Immers has now consistent top ten placements in the European Championships, World Championships and the Olympics, so he clearly belongs to a very narrow elite in his sport. His European championship title as a junior may not be enough in itself (I and BabbaQ have expanded the article considerably since most people here argued for redirect) but even that is important in the big picture, how consistent this player has been throughout his career. The argument to keep has nothing to do with the global infamy resulting from his association to van de Velde. As a beach volley player he is equally notable in his own right as van de Velde is in that regard. Commonssense (talk) 08:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I was responding to BabbaQ's argument that since Van de Velde has an article, Immers should. Your response, about how great you think he is and how much work you put into adding two lines to the article, is irrelevant to that. Kingsif (talk) 22:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Immers has now consistent top ten placements in the European Championships, World Championships and the Olympics, so he clearly belongs to a very narrow elite in his sport. His European championship title as a junior may not be enough in itself (I and BabbaQ have expanded the article considerably since most people here argued for redirect) but even that is important in the big picture, how consistent this player has been throughout his career. The argument to keep has nothing to do with the global infamy resulting from his association to van de Velde. As a beach volley player he is equally notable in his own right as van de Velde is in that regard. Commonssense (talk) 08:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The premise of the AfD is that Immers' connection to someone notable (van de Velde) does not make Immers notable - arguing that someone else is notable is not a !keep argument, let alone a strong one. Kingsif (talk) 22:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Does meet WP:SPORTCRIT, and has more coverage in Dutch. Geschichte (talk) 13:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Geschichte: Would you be able to link to some Dutch sources that discuss him in depth? Sources don't have to be in English but it helps to have actual links instead of "sources exist". Thanks. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Strongly oppose redirect: Matthew Immers has played on a high level with a number different people (such as Yorick de Groot, together with whom he won silver at the 2018 Summer Youth Olympics). It is common in beach volleyball to play with multiple partners during ones career. To redirect him to one specific partner is not very helpful. In particular when that specific partners fame is based on the combination of being an Olympian and a convicted child rapists. There is no sports reason to redirect Immers to van de Velde rather than the other way around. The only reason would be that van de Velde is more famous due to being a convicted child rapists. Since Immers is not a convicted child rapists having a redirect that way seems like an (unintentional) character assassination. As per Geschichte and others I would prefer keep due to his results as a player. Gunnar Larsson (talk) 19:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- The proposed redirect target is surely Netherlands_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Volleyball. Kingsif (talk) 22:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Whilst that for sure is better than Steven van de Velde that is not an obvious target. It is only the competition that is most recent right now. Beach volleyball at the 2018 Summer Youth Olympics would likely make more sense, since that is the global competition in which he won a medal. In general redirects are quite overused on Wikipedia in ways that are not very helpful. If not considered noteworthy a simple deletion would probably be better since then search tools can show any of the articles in which he is mentioned. Gunnar Larsson (talk) 06:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I suggested Van de Velde as the target since most of the coverage I could find was talking about them together and the article goes into how both of them scored. I'm open to a better target and I think Kingsif's suggestion is the best idea. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Would you still consider that if the year was not 2024 and the Olympics hadn't just finished? I fail to see that the Olympics is an obvious redirect for someone that have achieved similar results in the World Championships etc. If you do not consider it noteworthy then why not just delete it? Search engines will still find the Olympics and other competitions he competed in (imho we are overusing redirects a lot, their importance is in guiding the user to pages where the article subject is handled in a more holistic way, the goal should not be to make editors happy about that one red link has been removed).
- With regards to media exposure etc. I would suggest searching something like [30], i.e. in Dutch and without van de Velde. Most people are mainly written about in their local language rather in English. Can even use something like [31] (with the time bit set to "Archives" to get rid of overexposure of the most recent events). Gunnar Larsson (talk) 09:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand Dutch so it'd help if you clarify if these are SIGCOV about Immers or simply passing mentions. If there is enough SIGCOV for GNG, I'm okay with changing my !vote to keep. My opinion on redirecting to the Olympics was because I was under the impression that was the highest level of competition he had competed in (previous comments mention the Youth Olympics and I did not notice the World Championships angle). If he truly isn't notable and he's known for both, I support deleting because the target would actually be ambiguous. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I suggested Van de Velde as the target since most of the coverage I could find was talking about them together and the article goes into how both of them scored. I'm open to a better target and I think Kingsif's suggestion is the best idea. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Whilst that for sure is better than Steven van de Velde that is not an obvious target. It is only the competition that is most recent right now. Beach volleyball at the 2018 Summer Youth Olympics would likely make more sense, since that is the global competition in which he won a medal. In general redirects are quite overused on Wikipedia in ways that are not very helpful. If not considered noteworthy a simple deletion would probably be better since then search tools can show any of the articles in which he is mentioned. Gunnar Larsson (talk) 06:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- The proposed redirect target is surely Netherlands_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Volleyball. Kingsif (talk) 22:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Netherlands_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Volleyball. I struggle to see more that routine coverage and no coverage that is focused on the subject. --Enos733 (talk) 20:57, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Gunnar Larsson. Gamaliel (talk) 16:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Markku Helminen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources supplied. A search in google news only comes up with third party sources of a namesake. LibStar (talk) 04:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comments: LibStar: I'm no expert on speedway, so there might be something I'm missing, but could you explain your assessment that all the sources here are primary ones? A book like Who's Who of World Speedway and so on. /Julle (talk) 07:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There's bunch of brief mentions in older Finnish newspapers (accessed via National Archives of Finland's digital archive):
- Helsingin Sanomat, 9 May 1975 - mentioned a few times in standard post-event coverage together with other participants.
- Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 31 May 1976 - same, a few passing mentions
- Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 22 January 1978 - elected as the chair of the Salpausselkä Motor Club, given some awards. Very short piece.
- Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 30 August 1976 - event coverage, wins bronze in Turku.
- Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 19 September 1974 - briefly mentioned as the "best driver in the series".
- I didn't survey all the hits, but the best appears to be a profile/interview in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 1 September 1977 (link, requires a researcher account), a bit more than a quarter of a (broadsheet) page in size. Interestingly, it also features a (very cropped) image of an English language news story titled "Markku provides bright spot" by Ken Gaunt, apparently from either Speedway Mail or Leicester Mercury, both of which we are told have featured him.
- Based on the coverage I have access to, I'm personally rather ambivalent. That said, if someone can actually find the English language coverage mentioned in the Finnish papers and verify they are of reasonable depth, I suspect this would lean towards keep for me. -Ljleppan (talk) 09:59, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. With the additional Finnish sources and the lack of explaination as to why Who's Who of World Speedway would count a as a primary source, I'm leaning towards keep. /Julle (talk) 17:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Who's who of world speedway appears to be written by rider Ivan Mauger, as a rider he has a direct connection to the sport and may even know personally many of the riders covered in his book. From WP:PSTS: Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event, and are often accounts written by people who are directly involved. LibStar (talk) 03:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Michele Paco Castagna (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. A search in google news yielded nothing. LibStar (talk) 03:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep three times Champion of Italy and has ridden in the highest possible league of speedway in Britain (equivalent to the football Premier league). Pyeongchang (talk) 10:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have added three more non Primary sources as suggested to the article. Pyeongchang (talk) 10:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The interviews are primary and non-independent, and the press release is a namedrop. All of them are very far from SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 22:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. IRS SIGCOV entirely lacking. JoelleJay (talk) 22:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep as Pyeongchang pointed out. Being a double national champion, pass criteria 4 of (an overly biased towards circuit racing that is] WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. Google news yields zero. LibStar (talk) 00:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep Member of the Czech team that rode in the 2023 World Cup (the pinnacle of speedway alongside the Grand Prix), has also ridden in the highest possible league of speedway in Britain (equivalent to the football Premier league). Pyeongchang (talk) 11:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- P.S. I have added multiple non primary sources to article.
- Delete. Of the non-stats refs, this is a routine transactional interview with a team promoter (primary, non-independent)
; this is a routine transactional interview with a club owner
; this is a brief transactional press release; and this is a passing mention in an injury update. Nowhere close to SIGCOV in IRS. JoelleJay (talk) 23:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. All the sources provided are primary. A google news search yields nothing. LibStar (talk) 03:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - Meets criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT, being a multiple national champion. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:54, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- @SpacedFarmer, all sportspeople must meet SPORTCRIT #5 regardless of meeting a sport-specific criterion. Where is the SIGCOV? JoelleJay (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- The same as this amongst others...Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Sakhir Formula 3 round (which I nominated, where are the SIGCOV for these too) SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- That is not an article on a sportsperson; these are not comparable, especially as bundled noms almost always fail and the keep !voters weren't even arguing to keep on GNG grounds. I don't think the keep arguments were correct there, but that was a completely different situation. JoelleJay (talk) 23:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- They were bundled as they have in common is the lack of WP:RS besides a hobbyist newssite. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- That is not an article on a sportsperson; these are not comparable, especially as bundled noms almost always fail and the keep !voters weren't even arguing to keep on GNG grounds. I don't think the keep arguments were correct there, but that was a completely different situation. JoelleJay (talk) 23:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- According to the article, he's covered on three pages of Świat Żużla. That should be checked. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also, finding two stories here and here ("Magosi Norbert is one of the most important figures in Hungarian motorsport") wasn't difficult. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The same as this amongst others...Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Sakhir Formula 3 round (which I nominated, where are the SIGCOV for these too) SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think we're closer to needing to delete those championship articles than we are to being able to use them as an indication of notability. 5225C (talk • contributions) 08:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @SpacedFarmer, all sportspeople must meet SPORTCRIT #5 regardless of meeting a sport-specific criterion. Where is the SIGCOV? JoelleJay (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – Not much to discuss really, sources in the article are unhelpful (databases and speedway organiser-affiliated outlets) and no signs of significant coverage in the usual places. The lack of a Hungarian language article is somewhat telling. 5225C (talk • contributions) 06:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm not swayed by the brief intros to two interviews in the same county paper. No other coverage has turned up. JoelleJay (talk) 02:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, almost all primary sources provided. The one independent source is a 1 line mention of this person. LibStar (talk) 07:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep As a national U21 champion, pass criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- In which category of criteria four do you believe the Swedish Junior Speedway Championship falls under? It appears to be amateur, not professional, and of questionable national significance. 5225C (talk • contributions) 08:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Swedish U21 Championship is fully professional, not amateur. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Could you provide a source for that? 5225C (talk • contributions) 10:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Swedish U21 Championship is fully professional, not amateur. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- In which category of criteria four do you believe the Swedish Junior Speedway Championship falls under? It appears to be amateur, not professional, and of questionable national significance. 5225C (talk • contributions) 08:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Rode in the highest possible tier of not only the British league (equivalent of football's premier league) but also the Swedish league. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have added three more non primary sources references to the article, plenty more out there. Pyeongchang (talk) 10:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The sources are 1, 2. Stats page
. 3. SPS stats page
. 4. Team site
. 5. 2-4 non-quote sentences with zero encyclopedic secondary coverage (e.g. "But the Eastbourne Eagles reserve hopes...")
. 6. Trivial mention in transactional news
. 7. Interview with barely one sentence of secondary background info
. 8. Namedrop in transactional news
. 9. Team site
. JoelleJay (talk) 22:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, meets NBIO/GNG. There's several articles with significant coverage of him in Swedish media: [32], [33], [34], [35] AlexandraAVX (talk) 13:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Leaning delete: First and last of sources brought up are very short pieces merely stating that he will participate in some competition or other, so not WP:SIGCOV. The two others are paywalled, so I can't say much about those and they may prove me wrong. On my side, didn't find anything better than name drops. Regarding the possible WP:NMOTORSPORT C4, the U21 championship seems far from national importance, given it has very little coverage and is not even mentioned in Speedway in Sweden. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 15:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I've added three sources. One is a very short news piece, but the other two have more substance. /Julle (talk) 09:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - additional sources added which shows notability per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 13:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Part of 5 keep !votes in 5 minutes, BabbaQ (talk · contribs) including this one in a similar AfD saying there are third party sources when there are none. LibStar (talk) 01:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- LibStar: Just a minor note that the statement that Gunnar Malmqvist has no third-party sources isn't entirely correct – while I haven't gone through all the others to assess them I've added at least one newspaper article myself a couple of weeks ago. /Julle (talk) 06:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Part of 5 keep !votes in 5 minutes, BabbaQ (talk · contribs) including this one in a similar AfD saying there are third party sources when there are none. LibStar (talk) 01:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Per @AlexandraAVX. I also found https://www.smalandsdagblad.se/2021-10-19/kling-hoppas-fa-vetlanda-pa-ratt-vag-igen-en-stor-utmaning and https://vt.se/sport/speedway/artikel/ricky-kling-till-vetlanda/jdgzwz4j, this is wp:SIGCOV for wp:SPORTCRIT alone. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 04:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Only secondary sources in the article and found during WP:BEFORE check are match reports with surface level coverage of the subject. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep I am happy with the sources in the article, young player with on going career, although somewhat primary heavy, there seems enough to show basic. Govvy (talk) 23:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Which sources do you believe contain significant coverage of the subject? AlexandraAVX (talk) 06:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- GNG and SIGCOV is only intended for non-specific topics per WP:SNG. Please see BASIC and SPORTBASIC for notability of people (basic criteria) as well as for athletes (additional criteria per WP:SPORTSPERSON). Hence there is a distinct difference for people compared to general topics:
"If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability"
. CNC (talk) 16:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- GNG and SIGCOV is only intended for non-specific topics per WP:SNG. Please see BASIC and SPORTBASIC for notability of people (basic criteria) as well as for athletes (additional criteria per WP:SPORTSPERSON). Hence there is a distinct difference for people compared to general topics:
- Which sources do you believe contain significant coverage of the subject? AlexandraAVX (talk) 06:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. All I see here are primary sources, passing mentions, and some YouTube clips. Let'srun (talk) 14:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment (contributor). I tried improving this to bring it back to mainspace, based on elements of BASIC per SPORTBASIC (the guidelines that covers the notability of people and athletics), as a combination of secondary sources, rather than the need for exclusive SIGCOV (the guidelines that covers the notability of general topics). So far there is Sky Sports and BBC for this, which I believe is beyond trivial, and borderline BASIC per Govvy comment.
It's otherwise unfortunately that the BBC's Women's Football Show episodes are no longer available, as I remember distinct post-game coverage of Draper after her initial goal; that of her international career, prospects and style of play (beyond ROUTINE), that would certainly cross the threshold for basic notability (people and sports-related). I'll try find a copy of this somewhere to see if it could be used as a cite av media ref, even if not possible as an online source.I think it's also fair to assume basic based on"they have achieved success in a major international competition at the highest level"
, that of being top scorer in the U17 Euro qualifying, as subjectively the U17 Euros are the highest level of competition at that age range, though I can understand how this is intended for senior competitions only, as well as only a guide to likelihood of notability, as opposed to notability itself. Either way, it wouldn't be too much of a loss if the page get's deleted, as I suspect there will be SIGCOV soon enough for it to return. It would be unfortunate for an active WSL player to have their page deleted, but based on policy/coverage it'd be understandable. I can only assume it's age-related as to why there isn't further coverage, given she would be one of the very few active WSL players to have scored a league goal and not have an article. CNC (talk) 16:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC) - Keep Have added a third source for notability [36], so per above comment, that should cover SPORTBASIC. The online source is unavailable, but can be verified here, or otherwise by requesting archival footage from the BBC for non-commercial purposes if preferred (but otherwise nothing wrong with citing media as RS per WP:PUBLISHED). I realise as well that ROUTINE only covers local sources for sport, so with BBC and Sky Sports, game coverage counts for multiple sig cov. At least, I think it's hard to argue that coverage of scoring the winning goal in an important game isn't significant. We can get round to the YT argument if needed, but as it's a verified account from a reliable source (Sky Sports Football) it is
"inheriting their level of reliability"
per WP:RSPYOUTUBE so shouldn't be needed. CNC (talk) 17:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)- Routine is definitely not restricted to local sources; per policy:
For example, routine news coverage of announcements, events, sports, or celebrities, while sometimes useful, is not by itself a sufficient basis for inclusion of the subject of that coverage
. NSPORT's requirement that local sources cannot be routine game coverage does not mean only local sources can be routine game coverage. The video is primary and does not contain encyclopedic coverage: it is routine match commentating and amounts to no more than a sentence or two at most: absolutely not SIGCOV. If this was sufficient for NSPORT purposes we would have articles on every DI and probably DII college football player. JoelleJay (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Routine is definitely not restricted to local sources; per policy:
- Keep for the reasons stated above, but also worth adding here that Draper recently signed a pro contract with Leicester. Until now, her WSL appearances had been as an academy player mostly coming off the bench, so reasonable chance of her making match day squads more often. Delete this article and we could end up having to restore it long before Christmas. Leonstojka (talk) 17:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – The sources present in the article seem enough to WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Sourcing is far too weak and transactional to meet GNG and especially YOUNGATH, and SPORTCRIT is absolutely not met by one or two sentences of unscripted video commentary on one match. JoelleJay (talk) 23:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. There is no instance of WP:SIGCOV in an independent, reliable source as required under WP:NSPORT, and thus the subject also fails WP:GNG which requires multiple instances. Sourcing is limited to WP:ROUTINE match coverage, stats pages, and coverage in affiliated sources. Per a "keep" voter's assertion that she may become more notable in the future given her career prospects, I would be open to a "draftify" outcome if others believe that would be productive; ping me if so and I'll reconsider my current !vote. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify as this appears to be the case that notability is not quite there, but due to the age of the subject and current state of the article, 'sufficient' notability could exist within the next year. C679 10:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Gunnar Malmqvist (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 14:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep – same as my argument for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Long (speedway rider) thathe was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Commenting here to note to the closing administrator that no such criteria exists in NMOTORSPORT. 5225C (talk • contributions) 09:41, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I've added one additional reference from a Swedish newspaper, but I've only got access to things far more recent than Gunnar Malmqvist's career at home. A search in he newspaper archive of the Royal Library of Sweden gives some promising results, if someone's got access to it through e.g. the university connection (though it's the wrong time of the year to be present on campus, I suppose). /Julle (talk) 03:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep - Sources are third party sources. Passes WP:NMOTORSPORT.BabbaQ (talk) 13:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- The sources are not third party. Can you state which criteria of NMOTORSPORT is applicable? 5225C (talk • contributions) 15:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Did BabbaQ actually look at this article? LibStar (talk) 16:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. Nothing found when searching ["Henry Long " speedway] LibStar (talk) 03:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- That isn't a criteria of WP:NMOTORSPORT? 5225C (talk • contributions) 03:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- That criteria can be summed up in two words - utter ******* - too overly biased on circuit racing and overly biased on multi-round championships too IMO, because the sport attracts their fanboys. As with #9, how many classes are there at the Bonneville Speed Week? How many records are up for grabs there by SCTA? Or that does not count as notability despite media talking about the cars in that event?I think the criteria for world championship speedway should be at least 2 or more appearances in title clinching finals. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- You can't appeal to your ideal version of the guideline. It doesn't say what you want it to. 5225C (talk • contributions) 05:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- A criteria for WP:NTRACK above says
"Finished top 8 in a competition at the highest level outside of the Olympic Games and world championships."
This means all finalists at those two events pass notabilty as there are 8 lanes on an IAAF approved track. This is what my point is based on. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)- NTRACK is for track and field athletes. The IAAF is the old name of the governing body for athletics, not for speedway. I don't understand why you would build your argument on a notability guideline for an entirely different sport. 5225C (talk • contributions) 01:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with above comment from 5225. LibStar (talk) 03:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- NTRACK is for track and field athletes. The IAAF is the old name of the governing body for athletics, not for speedway. I don't understand why you would build your argument on a notability guideline for an entirely different sport. 5225C (talk • contributions) 01:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- A criteria for WP:NTRACK above says
- You can't appeal to your ideal version of the guideline. It doesn't say what you want it to. 5225C (talk • contributions) 05:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- That criteria can be summed up in two words - utter ******* - too overly biased on circuit racing and overly biased on multi-round championships too IMO, because the sport attracts their fanboys. As with #9, how many classes are there at the Bonneville Speed Week? How many records are up for grabs there by SCTA? Or that does not count as notability despite media talking about the cars in that event?I think the criteria for world championship speedway should be at least 2 or more appearances in title clinching finals. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- That isn't a criteria of WP:NMOTORSPORT? 5225C (talk • contributions) 03:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Primary sources only, no indication of notability. No sources presented to prove otherwise. 5225C (talk • contributions) 03:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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Equestrian who does not satisfy sports notability. There are two references. The first one is a database entry, and database entries do not establish sports notability. The second is an obituary, which may count toward general notability but is the only significant source. He competed in the Olympics, but does not have Olympic notability because he did not receive a medal.
Reference Number | Reference | Comments | Independent | Significant | Reliable | Secondary |
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1 | https://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/ma/marek-malecki-1.html | A Wayback Machine copy of a database entry of sports statistics | Yes | No | Yes | No |
2 | hejnakon.pl | Obituary in Polish equestrian magazine. | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
The Heymann criterion is to find additional sources within six days.
- Draftify as nominator, to allow six months to find better coverage. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Draftify precisely per Robert McClenon. BD2412 T 00:54, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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- (edit conflict) No one is going to do anything with this in draftspace – it will go untouched and deleted. Focusing on the source, it is over 600 words on him and mentions he was a multiple time national champion. It is SIGCOV. We do not have access to Polish newspaper sources from the time, but still have a pass of WP:SPORTCRIT. I don't think this should be draftified – why should it not be kept? BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, per the source found and Enos733. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The obituary points to a reliable source. "Poniżej tekst o Marku Małeckim z książki Mistrzowie Polski wydanej w roku 2010 przez Akademię Jeździecką:" in English - "Below is a text about Marek Małecki from the book Champions of Poland published in 2010 by the Equestrian Academy." I think that work is online here: https://pcbj.pl/0496-2/ > https://olimpijski.pl/olimpijczycy/malecki-marek-wladyslaw/. On that page, it has this bibliography with multiple sources: "Bibl.: Głuszek, Leksykon 1999, s. 267; Pawlak, Olimpijczycy, s. 163; Habinowska, Ludzie i konie, s. 227, 305, 403; Jeźdźcy olimpijscy, s. 67-69; Kronika Sportu, s.900; Księga sportu, s. 480; Porada, Igrzyska, s. 884; Baza danych Muzeum Łowiectwa i Jeździectwa w Warszawie; Wywiad środowiskowy" "Głuszek, Leksykon 1999, p. 267; Pawlak, Olympians, p. 163; Habinowska, People and horses, pp. 227, 305, 403; Olympic Riders, pp. 67-69; Chronicle of Sport, p.900; Sports Book, p. 480; Advice, Games, p. 884; Database of the Hunting and Riding Museum in Warsaw; Community interview." Without access to this material, I cannot really go further, but my sense is that sufficient sources are available. --Enos733 (talk) 05:40, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - per above - and agreeing with BeanieFan11's comments on draftification.Ingratis (talk) 19:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Karel Průša (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources refer to sports results except for one, which is an interview with the person concerned. Searching the internet for "Karel Průša" shows other people with the same name. Same case as the recently nominated Bedřich Slaný. FromCzech (talk) 06:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle. Pyeongchang (talk) 08:44, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
- The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech (talk) 09:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify. Competing or even winning at the pinnacle of a sport, whether Grand Prix or Olympics, is not a valid inclusion criterion. SPORTCRIT requires GNG be met and for a GNG-contributing source to be cited in the article. If the "Speedway A-Z" source is not SPS then that would probably satisfy SPORTCRIT, but multiple sources are needed for GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 03:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep meet WP:NSPORT He has notable achievements in speedway racing, including a silver medal in the Czechoslovak Individual Championship and participation in the 1962 Speedway World Team Cup. Yakov-kobi (talk) 09:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Draftify - basically per JoelleJay. We've rejected the idea of automatic notability in WP:NSPORTS2022, and the assertion that this person is notable simply for having competed in the Speedway World Cup is basically that. Similarly a silver medal in a national-level tournament, in a minor sport and relatively small competitive environment, should also not be an automatic pass for notability. These criteria were only ever intended as an indication that WP:GNG was likely passed - if doubt is cast on GNG being passed we still need to find sources, and none have been found so far. Delete can also work but it appears that some people are willing to put in the work to get this over the line though to be honest I don't see that happening as likely. FOARP (talk) 08:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Bedřich Slaný (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources only refer to passing mentions and sports results. Searching the internet for "Bedřich Slaný" shows other people with the same name. FromCzech (talk) 05:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: The Czech version cs:Bedřich Slaný of the article says (without a reference) that he died on 11 October 1980. Perhaps a news article about him or an obituary in a reliable source was published shortly after his death. Someone with access to Czechoslovak news media from 1980 might want to search for references from October 1980. The Wikipedia Library would also be worth searching. If you find one or more useful references, please add them to the Czech version cs:Bedřich Slaný as well., Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle. Pyeongchang (talk) 08:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
- The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech (talk) 09:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, I meant in general that if for Olympic sports the participation of an athlete in the Olympics is not a criterion of notability, the participation of a speedway racer in the Speedway World Cup is also not a criterion of notability. The sources you have added here and elsewhere do not demonstrate notability according to Wikipedia criteria.Redirect to 1962 Speedway World Team Cup may be an alternative to deletion. FromCzech (talk) 09:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect, we do not have sources demonstrating GNG is met, only passing mentions. JoelleJay (talk) 23:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is not a valid notability criterion. NSPORT requires GNG be met. JoelleJay (talk) 03:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- "title clinching finalist of a world championship event" does not appear in WP:NMOTORSPORT as an accomplishment which leads to a presumption of notability. 5225C (talk • contributions) 03:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete It lacks independent coverage in reliable sources beyond brief mentions in secondary sources. It fails to establish notability according to WP:N. Yakov-kobi (talk) 12:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- He's mentioned a number of times on Hungarian newspaper archive Arcanum – after he died an international race was named in his honor: "Druhý ročník Memoriálu Bedřicha Slaného je dalším významným mezinárodním závodem" [The second year of the Bedřich Slaného Memorial is another important international race]. The fact that an international race of some importance was named in his honor shows significance. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 02:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting as there is still no consensus. My closer instinct says to Redirect this article, which would retain the content, but I don't see a consensus to do this.
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