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Grandmaster

Zimmarod (talk · contribs) is warned not to misuse Wikipedia as a battleground, and more particularly, not to accuse others of severe misconduct (such as vandalism or harrassment) unless such accusations are made (a) in the appropriate dispute resolution or enforcement forum, and (b) with adequate evidence to support these accusations. Disregard of this warning is likely to result in a block or ban. Sandstein 10:14, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Grandmaster

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Zimmarod (talk) 00:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Grandmaster (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:ARBAA2#Standard discretionary sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Grandmaster's stalking of User:Oliveriki with repeated un-actionable AE requests. Second (recent) AE request: [1]. First request: [2].
Edit-warring or/and WP:TE, with no attempt to discuss on talk pages, in the highly contentious article Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment in Armenia largely authored by the topic-banned User:Brandmeister [3], [4].
Display of bad faith via continued labeling of several accounts for two consecutive years despite several warnings and multiple negative SPIs [5], [6], [7]
Conflict-related advocacy in the thread regarding Yerevanci's appeal, as per User:Sandstein [8]
Promotion of bona fide POV sources, such as the Azerbaijani state news website 1news.az [9], while suppressing peer-reviewed Western academic references by gaming a consensus-building effort, per WP:GAME, WP:NPOV, and WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT [10].

Example of disruptive behavior that went unaddressed in 2012:

On 18 April 2012, as previosly reported by several editors, Grandmaster vandalized the Nagorno-Karabakh article by removing 38Kb of material, in the process undoing the edits of User:Oliveriki, User:Dehr, User:Winterbliss, User:Sprutt, User:Vacio, User:VartanM, User:Sardur; User:Hablabar; and User:VahagnAvedian. These edits were supported on talk pages, in a consensus negotiated for over a month by most above-mentioned accounts, plus User:Nocturnal781 and User:Zimmarod [11]; summary of the consensus-building effort is here [12].

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Warned on 7 February 2013 by Zimmarod (talk · contribs)
Warned on 5 February 2013, 10 February 2013 by Sandstein (talk · contribs) and by Lord Roem (talk · contribs)
Warned on 7 March 2012 by Aghetrichter (talk · contribs)
Warned on 18 April 2012 by Zimmarod (talk · contribs)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

This discussion is a follow-up on User:Sandstein's [13] suggestion to more closely inspect User:Grandmaster, in light of his recent abuse of AE process by filing the second un-actionable AE request against User:Oliveriki [14]. This was preceded by Grandmaster's edit-warring or/and WP:TE [15], [16], with no attempt to discuss on talk pages, in the highly contentious article Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment in Armenia. The article was started and heavily edited by User:Brandmeister - a repeatedly topic-banned account, now for two years. User:Grandmaster maneuvers almost exclusively within the most contentious AA2 topics, editing articles from a partisan viewpoint as per WP:TE. Here is just one example provided by User:517design that illustrates Grandmaster's aggressive style: [17], [18], [19], [20]. Despite multiple warnings, Grandmaster continues harassing a group of editors, including User:Oliveriki and myself, implying that their participation in WP should be ignored or restricted, because of edit count and other real of imaginary issues; at the very same time Grandmaster has aggressively defended the previously topic-banned User:Brandmeister who was sanctioned for the second time just recently because of edit-warring [21]. Grandmaster applies double standards regarding academic sources as well. Here [22] he promotes a bona fide POV Azerbaijani state website 1news.az [23] as reference, while here [24] he tried to suppress the use of a high quality work by peer-reviewed Western academics [25] by gaming the system as per WP:GAME and WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT.

Recent AE actions against User:Yerevanci and User:517design showed a trend toward the use of stricter standards in regard to AA2. User:Cailil said: I agree with Sandstein that in areas under multiple ArbCom mandated probations: "We should expect not only defensible, but exemplary conduct from anyone who wishes to edit [them]" [26]. Given that Grandmaster partisanship, intermittent display of anger and other breaches of WP rules are hardly defensible, his continued editorial participation at WP comes under questions.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[27]

Reply to Gatoclass and Sandstein

Yes, some of the diffs are old but relevant since they illustrate the continuity of patterns of disruptive behavior. True, some of the recent concerns – regarding Oliveriki - were lightly reviewed and a warning to Grandmaster has been mentioned in the closing AE paragraph; this review, however, did not amount to a full assessment since actionable assessments need separate AE requests. Neither was there a formal warning on Grandmaster's webpage - please place it there so that everyone could see it. In other words, both older and newer issues are relevant and should be carefully examined. Grandmaster's WP:TE editing of Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment in Armenia is the most recent issue. There, instead of explaining himself on talk pages as a response to a bold action by Eupator [28], Grandmaster simply yanked back this highly controversial, WP:OR-based paragraph, thus continuing an edit war in which parts of the text were deleted and then restored again without any attempt at proper consensus building [29]. It also seemed that the definition of vandalism has been changed, and in its present edition I would qualify Grandmaster's actions on Nagorno-Karabakh as an especially disruptive case of WP:TE instead of vandalism. Zimmarod (talk) 01:54, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Devil's Advocate

The Devil's nickname is a symbol of a commitment to be unfair, and the Devil does not fail to live up to that moniker. The Devil was warned by User:Sandstein that his unreasonably partisan style and aggressive language is not helpful in AE forum [30]. I urge the Devil to retract his emotional statement, and think that AE administrators should limit Devil's participation in delicate topic areas such as AA2 due to his intention to provoke and to confuse. Zimmarod (talk) 01:55, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Grandmaster

Yes, there were those like Golbez who to this day entertain various theories about meating and socking. This is a violation of WP:AGF. However, neither Golbez nor Sandstein did file two meritless AE requests against Oliveriki. Zimmarod (talk) 01:53, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion concerning Grandmaster

Statement by Grandmaster

To tell the truth, I do not understand what exactly I'm being accused of. I'm not the only one who thinks that the activity of Zimmarod, Oliveriki and 517design in Shusha looks very suspicious. Sandstein agreed "that the history of the article gives the impression that sock- or meatpuppetry may be involved". [31] Golbez also stated that he believed Zimmarod was a sock account. [32] I wonder why Zimmarod does not report those admins, they expressed the same or even harsher opinions than myself about Zimmarod? With regard to the article Nagorno-Karabakh, the situation there was dealt with in this thread: [33], by imposing article level sanctions that would limit the ability of editors with less than 500 edits to rv the article. Admins made it clear that this was done to stop socking and meatpuppeting in the article: [34], while my activity did not lead to any sanctions. Also, Zimmarod does not mention that back then he 3 times restored the edits of the sock of the banned user, without any consensus at talk. In any case, we are talking about something that took place 1 year ago, and most of accounts that Zimmarod says were supporting him are now banned either from editing the whole Wikipedia, or AA topics. That also demonstrates that those accounts were engaged in disruptive activity. My reporting on Oliveriki was dealt with in the appropriate report, where I was warned, so I do not understand what the point is in repeatedly filing enforcement reports on issues that have already been reviewed? If Zimmarod thinks that the edit warring in Nagorno-Karabakh 1 year ago or me filing a report on Oliveriki were not dealt with properly, he needs to file an Arbitration enforcement action appeal and contest the decisions of the admins. Grandmaster 19:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I consider accusations of vandalism to be a personal attack, because there's a clear definition of what vandalism is, and my actions 1 year ago did not fit that definition, and admins believed that it was "not appropriate in such a contested article to add so much content in a single edit without discussion, and that the additions need to be discussed section by section by the parties concerned so that outstanding issues can be properly addressed". So clearly the disruption was caused by accounts that tried to restore the edits of the banned editor and mass puppeter, and not by those who tried to get them to discuss and reach consensus first. So I believe admins also need to look into bad faith assumptions and personal attacks by the editor who filed this report. Grandmaster 19:59, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In response to Zimmarod. Golbez filed this SPI request: [35], where he described in much detail what was going on in the article about Nagorno-Karabakh. And since you raised here that old story, the edit warring on NK was started by Vandorenfm (talk · contribs) and Gorzaim (talk · contribs), who were banned as socks on 15 and 18 September 2011. And then it was picked up by a group of accounts that were created around the same time in October-November 2011.

October 1, 2011: Dehr (talk · contribs) created a user account
November 11, 2011: Sprutt (talk · contribs) created a user account
November 16, 2011: Zimmarod (talk · contribs) created a user account
November 19, 2011: Winterbliss (talk · contribs) created a user account
November 22, 2011: Hablabar (talk · contribs) created a user account

I’m just presenting the facts here, and letting others judge. But the question is, what are the odds that a group of unrelated people could create those accounts and start editing the same page in order to restore the edits of sock accounts of a banned user? It is also of interest that those accounts appear after long absence to support each other, like it was in Shusha recently. Sometimes they are joined by older accounts, which also demonstrate only sporadic activity. Just an example, Zimmarod appeared on 13 December 2012 to support Sprutt at AE: [36] But Zimmarod's last edit prior to that was on 8 October 2012, i.e. he was absent for more than 2 months. So did 517design, who was absent since 28 October 2012, but who appeared on 14 December 2012 to support Sprutt at AE: [37] How did these users become aware of that AE report? We may consider these facts to be just coincidences, but aren't there too many such coincidences? Grandmaster 00:12, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning Grandmaster

Comments by The Devil's Advocate

I once more call for a WP:BOOMERANG on Zimmarod. Talk of "vandalism" and "stalking" is completely beyond the pale and does not match the facts by any measure. Honestly, I feel Sandstein's warning about filing reports against Oliveriki was misguided given the level of disruption created by that account in so few edits. Action against Grandmaster on the basis of Zimmarod's report, even if Zimmarod is sanctioned, would be a mistake, in my opinion.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 06:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Grandmaster

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Most of these diffs either look very old or concern conduct which has already been reviewed. Linking to an article history page is not a very helpful method of demonstrating "edit warring". Which particular edits on that page in your view constitute evidence of edit warring? Gatoclass (talk) 02:17, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing the diffs presented, I'm not convinced that there is something actionable here. The request uses very strong or even hyperbolic language, accusing Grandmaster of severe misconduct such as partisan editing, gaming the system, vandalism, stalking, harassing or edit-warring. Yet the evidence submitted is not sufficient to substantiate such severe accusations. For example, the charge of edit-warring is only supported with a link to a history page and one diff. We can't determine edit-warring on that basis. Zimmarod alleges that at [38], Grandmaster engages in "promotion of bona fide POV sources" such as 1news.az. Yet even assuming for the sake of argument that this news medium is indeed biased, Grandmaster only cites it to attribute a statement allegedly made by a person to that news medium, which appears unproblematic. The edit at [39], which Zimmarod characterizes as vandalism, seems to me to reflect, at most, editing contrary to an (alleged) consensus. That is not in and of itself sanctionable, because consensus can change. It only becomes problematic if it is done repeatedly (by edit-warring), or as part of a pattern of tendentious editing. But that would need more than one diff to establish. Likewise, Zimmarod alleges that Grandmaster is "editing articles from a partisan viewpoint as per WP:TE", but cites as evidence only edits to an AfD page (i.e., not an article), which moreover do not appear unduly partisan or aggressive to me.

Only one part of the evidence is more concerning. It is not acceptable to allege abusive sockpuppetry on the part of an editor, as Grandmaster did at [40], without evidence, and in an inappropriate context (on an article talk page, which is supposed to be about content, not conduct issues). As a positive counter-example, at [41], Grandmaster did supply (what he considered to be) circumstantial evidence of sock- or meatpuppetry, and did so in a contextually appropriate forum.

On that basis, I recommend closing this request with a warning to both Zimmarod and Grandmaster not to accuse others of severe misconduct (such as vandalism or sockpuppetry) unless such accusations are made (a) in the appropriate dispute resolution or enforcement forum, and (b) with adequate evidence to support these accusations. Failure to heed this warning could lead to a topic ban for either editor. Sandstein 15:31, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

While I've been waiting for Zimmarod to respond to my request for specific diffs, I have been considering laying a brief topic ban for filing what appears to be a meritless report. However, the pattern of his evidence, including heavy reliance on old diffs, suggests a lack of familiarity with this process, which requires evidence of recent misconduct. I guess we could give him the benefit of the doubt but I think a warning not to file meritless requests would be appropriate. With regard to the "comments on contributor", given the tensions in contentious topic areas it is not surprising that users might be inclined to vent a little once they arrive at a dispute resolution forum, so rather than a warning I would probably lean to a reminder to both parties that charges made against other parties need to be backed up by evidence. Gatoclass (talk) 16:13, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Zimmarod has been here before, several times. I think a warning is merited, and an action may be. Editors who have been here before surely know that diffs are required and brevity and clarity is strongly encouraged. Killer Chihuahua 18:18, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Given that Zimmarod's intemperate commentary in this request has just been flagged by Sandstein as possible grounds for a warning, I am not at all impressed by Zimmarod's response, where he says of another user: The Devil's nickname is a symbol of a commitment to be unfair, and the Devil does not fail to live up to that moniker.[42] That strikes me as a totally gratuitous and indefensible breach of WP:AGF, not to mention WP:BATTLEGROUND. It seems the message is not getting through here. Gatoclass (talk) 04:22, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sandstein explained very well how this request is not actionable towards Grandmaster. I also have to agree with Gatoclass that Zimmarod's comment about "the Devil" is inappropriate, and very much playing with a battleground mentality. At the very least, a warning needs to be issued to Zimmarod. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 15:50, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't see anything actionable against Grandmaster. Also agree that the clearly inappropriate and inaccurate interpretation of another editor's name Zimmarod made above probably does qualify for at least a warning, and probably more, although I guess I would probably lean toward lighter rather than heavier sanctions. John Carter (talk) 20:10, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In consideration of the above discussion, I am closing this request with a warning to Zimmarod. Any continued battleground-like conduct is likely to result in a block or ban. I'm not issuing a separate warning to Grandmaster, because his one edit problematic in this regard is rather old now, although of course the advice applies to him and all other editors active in the topic area as well. Sandstein 10:11, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nado158

Nado158 is banned from all articles and discussions related to Serbia, Kosovo, and Albania, broadly construed, for a period of one year. Killer Chihuahua 22:25, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Nado158

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Joy [shallot] (talk) 09:30, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Nado158 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:ARBMAC

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

While looking at the recent Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Persecution of Serbs and other non-Albanians in Kosovo, it came to my attention that Nado158 should be cautioned for persistent battleground mentality in WP:ARBMAC topic areas.

My old warnings about it are already gone from their User talk:
- In November 2012, they blithely accuse me of editing based on ethnicity. In response to my warning, they walk back on it with a few platitudes. The context is described at Talk:Ante Gotovina#Del Ponte, Haradinaj, ...
- In January 2013, they try to blank an article instead of proposing deletion (despite having seen AfDs before); no response to my warning. User:Praxis Icosahedron complained to me about them then.

They were involved in the coattails of the recent User:Oldhouse2012 flamewar by making these kinds of edits for which User:Shokatz complained to them and to myself already.

In this latest discussion, first WhiteWriter makes a largely pointless accusation (who in turn has something of a history of being so wrong to be disruptive on the topic of sockpuppetry), and then Nado158 proceeds to copy and paste the same pointless accusation later in the discussion, despite the fact WW had at that point already been criticized for making such accusations.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

already linked above

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I didn't analyze the entire contribution history of the user, but the common thread with these incidents appears to be Serbian nationalism topics and talking points - Ante Gotovina is someone who must be a villain; Bošnjani can't have existed in the 14th century because Serbian historians know it was all Serbia in the 9th; Zemun is Serbian today, so its history as part of other states can't be but a worthless concoction of Hungarian and Croatian irredentists (both!); Kosovo is, well, Kosovo, so there (no analysis of WP:SYNTH necessary).

(I apologize if the readers don't appreciate my sarcasm. I've been exposed to this stuff for a long time now, and I have to find some humor in it, otherwise it's just too depressing.)

Given the problems, Nado158's contribution in these topic areas does not seem like a net positive for the encyclopedia. I've tried to do due dilligence and tried to find proof to the contrary, and found only some more gems of the unrelated kind in the Persecution... article:

In [43], they added a chunk of information, seemingly sourced, but accompanied with a huge blockquote that is essentially soapboxing
[44] - lots of broken English
[45] and [46] - lots of copy&paste from an OSCE Report, whose reference is in turn copied and pasted each time
[47] - copy&paste from Radio Netherlands Worldwide
[48] - copy&paste from The Guardian

I suggest an initial temporary topic ban on anything related to such talking points. I have no prejudice against other topic areas - although I did just notice this incident while searching for their AfD history.

I'm not enacting such a topic ban myself because a possibility of WP:INVOLVED, and because any such action by myself could be generally construed as persecution of a poor Serbian user by the evil Croats, which would just compound the problem, regardless of the notion being baseless. It's best for this to be reviewed by neutral editors.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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Random discussion comments

WhiteWriter, the part that made your accusation largely pointless was that you wrote a generic clause invited here off line by one of "Delete" users above. If you have doubts in the good faith of any particular "delete user", you should say that clearly and precisely. Casually lumping them all together and throwing around an unspecified accusation of sockpuppetry is simply bad form. It subtly perpetuates the illusion that there are "delete users" and "keep users", and it's all too easy to extend that into an "us vs. them" relationship - battleground mentality. And as we can see from this example, once you do something like that, someone like Nado158 can pick up the cue and make things worse. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:39, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

...and I should also mention, User:Peacemaker67 already told you this a week ago over there:

as I am one of those "delete" users you have referred to, I am offended by your suggestion that I might have invited a sock or SPA to !vote here. You are attacking the man, not the argument, which is always the tactic of the desperate. Either produce the evidence you have of the canvassing of the SPA/sock or strike your attack on the integrity of all of the users that happen to have recommended "delete".

Yet you nevertheless now accused me of misrepresenting and misleading. You too need to lay off the battleground mentality. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:54, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Nado158's questions - I'm willing to do a point-by-point answer/rebuttal session if anyone else confirms that they want an answer to anything. In the meantime, I'll just give you a general answer: you say this behavior is the product of 'errors' and that you can improve, but at the same time you freely admit that you seem to hold some sort of a grudge against myself for "writing anti-Serbian". I'm doing no such thing; I generally try to use the encyclopedia for what it's for: to describe things that exist in the real life. If I (or anyone else) describe something relevant that is negative towards Serbia, Croatia, trees, toasters, or any number of other things or concepts, you should not automatically attribute that to an inherent bias. Assuming bad faith is a fairly typical sign that you need to steer away from some topics. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 16:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I not to hold some sort of a grudge against you for "writing anti-Serbian" but you do it with me and I wonder why? I do not write "anti-Croatian". I generally try to use also the encyclopedia for what it's for like you: to describe things that exist in the real life. You said: "If I (or anyone else) describe something relevant that is negative towards Serbia, Croatia, trees, toasters, or any number of other things or concepts, you should not automatically attribute that to an inherent bias." The same is also true for me and I have not bad intentions.--Nado158 (talk) 20:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion concerning Nado158

Statement by Nado158

Reply to Joy

@Joy - You looked at the recent Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Persecution of Serbs and other non-Albanians in Kosovo, and you recognize that I persistent "battleground mentality"? I have just answered and I just defended my opinion. This falls on you that I used "battleground mentality", but you not saw that the users have to start before with this mentalitiy, and have used the same language? I wonder why? I have offended nobody, and have dealt respectfully with each. I was the one who actually proposed to end this without meaningful discussions and I answered politely and always ended every sentence reasonable. So why complain only to me and represent me as if I the user treat bad what is not true?--Nado158 (talk) 12:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Joy - About the Gotovina topic: You had removed a comment by Carla del Ponte (soruces from The Guardian...[50]), who was a very important person to this case, and my suspicion was that you've only done this because they had judged negatively about Gotovina. I do not knew you and just bevore I meet many users from all the ethnic group who write is not objective, use the POV or NPOV. I unfortunately made the mistake and react too quickly. I realized my error and I apologized to you. It is 3 months ago and I have since then, specifically to the Carla del Ponte topic, did not return right? Did I continou to discussion with you about this? No. I learned from it so make me please not so bad or that there would be a constant problem-with me. About the Bošnjani topic: It was my mistake. I have not read the sources, not the talk page etc. I was too fast and made rookie errors. After I read the sources and the Talk Page, I saw that I was wrong. I have apologized for it and also I never returned again to this page. About the Zemun topic: I dont know who is Oldhouse2012. I came to this site because I wanted to write about sports because I mainly for 80% write about sports and this topic very interrested me. I finally done this, but also I saw a large part of the text without sources and who was added again and again by someone, or from the new user Shokatz. To me its looked like POV, I thought it was a sock. And because there are no sources for this was given, I decided to remove it. But I was never rude, etc.--Nado158 (talk) 12:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Joy - About the topic Sockpuppet: Your accusation that WhiteWriter is rightly criticizes was wrong, because he was right. I saw the accusation of WhiteWriter was not meaningless, because they led to discovery to a sock. Also User Peacemaker67 was agree with WhiteWriter. The suddenly emerging user Kosovo 2008 Albania 1912 has been blocked [51]. I also saw the other users have expressed their opinion on suspicion. So I thought I also have the right if there is suspicion. My suspicion was mainly related to Keithstanton, and what eventually happened? He has been blocked due to abuse of editing privileges [52]. I was right. And I wonder very much about your accusations, because you yourself complained about him as you can se here.[53]. So why you may that and I not?I would add further....--Nado158 (talk) 12:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Joy - You said, that you didn't analyze the entire contribution history of me, but you saw my beginner errors while you overlooked a lot of my good articles have which nothing to do with these topics. You've picked out the 5% of the "bad things" and all the other good things omitted represent bad about me. You've been looking for a hair in the soup. You overlooked that I worked already with Croatian, Hungarian an other users. You made allegations that I have maybe Nationalist background, that I want to Gotovina look bad, although 98% of anything I not wrote about him (I could also say that you want to let Gotovina look much prettirt or? And I remind you that Carla Del Ponte said the things about him which I want to add at that time. Why can her opinion appear at other politicians and not on his page? However) You make me all the allegations even though I do not edit anything or 98% of pages which are in relation to Croatia, ist history, the wars etc.? At the same time you make me the reproach even though you edit numerous Serbian articles (about politicians etc). There you write often anti-Serbian and confront the things are worse as they are. You make me the allegations even though I even already written Pro-Croatian ect and I can prove this? In addition I have hardly anything (98%) ever written about Republic of Kosovo. Why do they try to transfer a stereotype to me? I am willing to work with all of you. With me about everything can be arranged. I respect every one here, but I would add that I also have a rights.--Nado158 (talk) 12:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Joy - About the broken English: I improve my English every day and if I make a grammatical error, then I am pleased if another user corrects me and and I happy if I learn from it. You could have improved my fault instead of criticizing me for such a thing. I also wrote numerous articles which showed a good English, and nobody complains about this. Also that you overlooked. I would appreciate if you let me upgrade and I learn from it.--Nado158 (talk) 13:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Joy - About the copy allegations: The copy allegations are exaggerated. There are 1-2 sentences or few words but that all. How should I rewrite 1-2 sentences from Radio Netherlands Worldwide and The Guardian? The goal was to add a source who proved the act. I have not invented this. Similarly, the OSCE report. How should I write this? And as you see I have mentioned there the persecution of Croats, as you can see your accusation that I had a problem with Croats is wrong. And at least I work with sources in contrast to some other users.Thank you.--Nado158 (talk) 13:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to others

@ZjarriRrethues - About the topic: "In August 2005, two Serbs were shot dead and two injured when their car was taken under fire". Please do not twist my things. I've already added a new source from Germany which describes these things etc. These things are written there. If I have made a mistake then say it to me please? Here the source. The answers to all the rest coming soon. Thank you.[54]--Nado158 (talk) 20:04, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@To all of you - I am willing to work with all of you, and of course in accordance with the laws. I not realized really that my changes are a problem or that they are a big problem. Where I realized that I made mistake (I made rookie errors) I have apologized and stopped it, and you can see this. With me about everything can be arranged. I respect every one here, but I would add that I also have a right to reply to the entire mentioned problems and to defend myself, because I see some misunderstandings and I want to solve these things peacefully.--Nado158 (talk) 20:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Zero - About the topic: Gnjilane Group: The sense of the source was, that the various ethnic groups in Kosovo were killed by the Gniljane Group, and where have I made a mistake? It was written in the source. There are also enough other sources. The article is about the persecution of ethnic groups. I understand not my error here? And when I made it, then you can explain it to me yet and improve this thing. Where is the problem? I desire to learn and to work high quality. Thank you!--Nado158 (talk) 09:51, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@KillerChihuahua - You've listened to me at all and not condemn me already in advance. I think that's not fair. You have to know that I am a beginner and then not know the rules or known very bad. I just looked out from other users how they act and failed to notice the error. There was an error. Today, I know a lot more, and I have not repeated some errors. I learn every day something new to it. I am willing to work with all of you. With me about everything can be arranged.--Nado158 (talk) 10:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You said to Joy he should ignore any further aspersions or attacks by me, who is rapidly sinking his ship even deeper. Dear KillerChihuahua, which attacks and aspersions do you mean please? Besides this, you said nothing I have said which could change your mind. Please read all my comments again. Thank you!--Nado158 (talk) 17:35, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Zjarri - About the attack with a bombs on Serbian house topic: I have given first a soruce and you not. And if you done this, then I may have overlooked it and you would have me point out more precisely. The accusation, better the the arrest of the suspect from the same ethnic group was sharply criticized by the affected family etc. They have condemned and rejected the arrest. The offender is free again and there are enough sources to this topic etc.I should add that an another user explained it to me better and we are then removed this and there were no problems from both sides. What do you say? I whish to add that...--Nado158 (talk) 13:50, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Zjarri - About the Kosovo-Albanian topic: Yes, I put the source to show that it is called Kosovo Albanian. You can put also an other source which proved that. Where is the problem? It is called Kosovo-Albanian. About the mass accusations of sockpuppetry: Which mass accusations of sockpuppetry? Whith the help of WhiteWriter and Peacemaker67 we discovered a sock. The suddenly emerging user Kosovo 2008 Albania 1912 has been blocked [55]. I also saw the other users have expressed their opinion on suspicion. So I thought I also have the right if there is suspicion. My suspicion was mainly related to Keithstanton, and what eventually happened? He has been blocked due to abuse of editing privileges [56]. I was right. And the last of your accusations, the topic about "In August 2005, two Serbs were shot dead and two injured when their car was taken under fire by Albanians during a tire change"...I already refuetes with a new source. If you want you can write take under fire by unknown persons, although the injured Serbs said it was Alabanians. I can finde sources but who you wish.--Nado158 (talk) 16:32, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@EdJohnston - I now understand the problem, and I admit that the source is unfortunate and we can replace it with another source, but is not add from my side to assume ethnic bias. In addition, can you explain to me where I misreading the source about the Gniljane Group? Please read ALL my comments again, check it etc. I whish only to understand. Besides this, I already refuted some allegations here. I worked also with Croatian, German, Hungarian, Englsih etc an other users. I am willing to work with all of you and to improve myself. Why am I so quickly sentenced? or put in a drawer? Please read ALL my comments again. Thanky you--Nado158 (talk) 16:56, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Lord Roem - Please wait? Please see also my opinion (and please read my comments above). By the way, we both have worked together a few weeks ago. In this collaboration, they have given me even partially right. I, another user and you have found a solution in the end. There were no problems. I do not think that I deserve such hard punishment.--Nado158 (talk) 17:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning Nado158

ZjarriRrethues

Nado had added an event that had no culprits and motives and wasn't labeled as a persecution or ethnic crime in an article under a list of incidents of persecutions. When I removed it, explained that his argument contained much original research and even provided a news piece that stated that a suspect from the same ethnic group was detained as the crime seems to be related to a dispute between two families[57], he reverted me[58] and asked for a source which I had already brought forth.
There are also plain ethnic-battleground type edits like adding a source about a Kosovar committing a crime right on the lead of the article because it will show that it is called Kosovo Albanian.
Blatant source misrepresentation: In August 2005, two Serbs were shot dead and two injured when their car was taken under fire by Albanians during a tire change.[59], source:Two Serbs shot dead and two injured when their car is fired at.

--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 18:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

NE Ent

Proposed sanction by puppy (1 week block followed by 1 year topic ban) seems inappropriate; while the ban is reasonably preventative, adding a block to the mix seems punitive (what will a block accomplish that a ban won't?) NE Ent 16:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thehoboclown

While I don't know anything about Nado158's recent actions regarding this Serbia-Kosovo issue, I can say it's not the first time he edited in a somewhat ethnic related battleground mentality. In fact he removed links pointing to Hungarian-related articles, sometimes even doing it blindly, without checking what he is really doing – here he just undid the link removal carried out by an IP minutes before. I also submitted an ANI report, where I described the situation and warned the involved users that their actions might fall under WP:ARBEE, therefore they should be aware of being on thin ice. The report eventually concluded without getting any attention, later, however, the reported users (except Nado158) turned out to be Oldhouse2012's socks and got blocked.

I removed it, because there are not the a Hunagrian minority etc., the same for Zrenjanin and therefore there was no reason to keep them there.--Nado158 (talk) 10:44, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, Nado158 was active in a "name-removing" game in the Subotica article (here and here) and also got involved in a war over the usage of the Hungarian name of Srbobran, which actions are also very likely to fall under discretionary sanctions. Given these, I think if the the topic ban comes into effect, it should cover this area as well. Thehoboclown (talk) 20:22, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

About Subotica, the problem has been resolved. Why do you not tell the here users that I have left after the name and that I have improved the whole page with 2 other users? among them an Hungarian? Why do not you mention that? you say I was in a war because of Srborban? I have DISCUSSED with others about the topic. On the Talk Page is everything visible and where there is a war please?--Nado158 (talk) 10:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WhiteWriter

Off topic.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Regarding questionable accusation of my contribution by user Joy, you should see contribution of the user in question. You will see that user WAS INDEED the sock puppet SPA, so accusations WERE NOT largely pointless. Therefor, i am asking from Joy to quickly remove this misrepresented info from this request. --WhiteWriter^speaks 19:32, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was talking about this:

comment from above
In this latest discussion, first WhiteWriter makes a largely pointless accusation (who in turn has something of a history of being so wrong to be disruptive on the topic of sockpuppetry), and then Nado158 proceeds to copy and paste the same pointless accusation later in the discussion, despite the fact WW had at that point already been criticized for making such accusations.

I don see what is wrong with recognising sock-master in questionable area. User:Sinbad Barron have 50+ socks, so it is essential to mark them as fast as possible. He is as we speak on WP:AN to be community banned, so, there is nothing wrong with Nado commenting same thing again. Also, after finding all those socks and reporting them, i know that user reappear each time to vote in some questionable area, often with months pause. So, someone invite him off wiki. You should not be genius to see that... :) Anyway, all of those are unrelated to this request... --WhiteWriter^speaks 19:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, but far as i know guidelines, i cannot just remove it now, its on ARE... And i added this much only as you asked for explanation. Anyway, Joy comment was misleading, and i will not talk about this anymore. All best. --WhiteWriter^speaks 20:19, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Evlekis

Moved out of the admin section. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 23:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If I can request that any admin dealing with this exercise restraint because Nado158 is very much a good faith editor who has made mistakes and realises these. Part of the problem regarding "battleground editing" is that this occurs in sensitive areas where rival factions exist in the first place. To this end, comments submitted by users perennially opposed to Nado158's outlook on article presentation should be taken with a pinch of salt. I know a lot about slinging mud because less than a year ago, I found myself at the dirty end of four AN/I inquiries and one editor to have dished out filth on this very post was instrumental in these purges - thankfully they all failed miserably but one did land me with an ARBMAC warning. I just wanted to add that not every idea of mine corresponds to Nado158's but we have been able to discuss and agree between each other and I can say that he has never reverted me when I have removed his contributions. Please see this thread which I add is live as I send this. Disciplinary at least, temporary ban at most, but indef is plain cruel. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 21:46, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Nado158

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A quick first look shows a definite problem. Consider this edit. It says "The Gnjilane Group ... committing brutal crimes and murders against killing dozens of Serbs, Roma, and also ethnic Albanians civilians..." but the source says that a court had just overturned a conviction for such crimes and ordered a retrial. This is a blatant misrepresentation of the source. Zero^talk 11:22, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please move your comment out of this section. My answer: I can read the source myself and you misrepresented it. Zero^talk 00:49, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Such flagrant misuse of sources to promote a POV require equally strong measures, IMO. I cannot see any situation in which Nado158 can explain away such edits with any plausibility. Propose ~~a 1 week block followed by~~ a 1 year ban from the topic area. Killer Chihuahua 18:21, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
WhiteWriter, your post is a bit opaque. Please rephrase so I can puzzle out what you're talking about. Killer Chihuahua 19:41, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is completely unrelated to this request and I would prefer you simply remove it, and remember not to add off topic posts here. Such posting may lead to sanctions for you. Killer Chihuahua 20:04, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nado158, I said I couldn't imagine you being able to explain away your edits. Had you surprised me and done so, then I'd be willing to reconsider. Unfortunately, nothing you have said has changed my mind. You can gain experience by editing other topics, after your block expires. May I suggest you also work on your English language skills, which you will find helpful in editing the English Wikipedia. Killer Chihuahua 13:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Joy; Oh please no; refrain from any point-by-point rebuttal (unless you see a question from an admin in this section) and indeed, simply ignore any further aspersions or attacks by Nado158, who is rapidly sinking his ship even deeper. Killer Chihuahua 16:31, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
ZjarriRrethues: Although the BBC source does not support the edit about the two youths in a car, there is another source there too. Unfortunately it is behind a paywall; can you read it? Zero^talk 00:49, 21 February 2013 (UTC) Added: I see it is visible here. It could be cited for this incident but following the source more closely. It says they were shot by "Unbekannten" (strangers) not by Albanians. Zero^talk 01:05, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This diff brought by ZjarriRrethues is a real gem. Nado158 added a source "Kosovan Albanian admits killing two US airmen in Frankfurt terror attack" right on the first two words of the article! KillerChihuahua, I agree to your proposed sanction. Zero^talk 00:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Zero0000 that Nado158's change to the opening sentence of Kosovo Albanians is certainly inappropriate. Anyone seeing this edit is likely to assume ethnic bias on the part of the editor. Nado158's misreading of the source about the Gniljane group, which he seems to repeat in his own comment just above, is also a concern. A person reading the press article should be careful enough to tell whether a conviction is being upheld or overturned. A sanction against Nado158 is justified. EdJohnston (talk) 01:37, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
After looking through the comments and diffs above, I concur with Ed's description of the situation and feeling that a sanction is necessary. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 04:37, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nado158 may be well intentioned and may not completely understand the effect of some of the words he is writing or copying, but several issues such as 1) copying from other sources, even if it's one sentence here and there is not appropriate 2) having a battleground mentality towards other users that they are meat or sockpuppets without proving them 3) blatantly biased sourcing within the first two words of an article as mentioned by Ed above. These issues combined alone have me supporting a sanction. Can I get my fellow admins' comments on a 6 month topic ban on Kosovo-Albanian relations broadly constructed, and a final administrative (aka non-ArbCom) warning for copyright issues and for sock accusations without evidence. Maybe I am overdoing it, but I'm willing to consider lifting the ban early if they can clearly demonstrate change in the area and the consensus of current admins here when it appeals agree. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 20:47, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I suggested a year and no one flinched, so I imagine 6 months would be agreeable to most. I'm withdrawing my initial block proposal tho. Either one, I'm agreeable. But the article intro edit has me leaning towards the year. Think about it: If you were from ethnic group X, and I edited the article on X to make sure the very first thing anyone learned about your people is that you're murderers and terrorists.... Seriously, this is a big deal. Killer Chihuahua 12:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This is true. 1 year does sound more appropriate. Joy has a point on my talkpage though that some of the problematic area is not covered through Albania-Kosovo relations, and I'm not exactly sure how to word that in to this proposed topic ban. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 16:18, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's covered, and we add "broadly construed" anyway, but I'll make a point of making it as clear as possible. If there are no objections, I'll close this shortly. Killer Chihuahua 18:05, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sprutt

Sprutt (talk · contribs) is blocked for two weeks. Sprutt's topic ban is clarified as applying to anything relating to conflicts between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Konullu (talk · contribs) is warned to observe a neutral point of view when editing about Armenia or Azerbaijan. Sandstein 09:49, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Sprutt

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Parishan (talk) 09:55, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Sprutt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2

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Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

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Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Topic banned and notified on [63] by NuclearWarfare (talk · contribs)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

User:Sprutt was banned indefinitely from the topic of Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts. Despite this, he removes information from the article which mentions the support of the Armenian organization for encouraging separatist movements in Azerbaijan.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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Discussion concerning Sprutt

Statement by Sprutt

Armenia Fund is a charity and has nothing to do with Armenia-Azerbaijan topic in Wikipedia. Sprutt (talk) 15:47, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is directly involved in sponsoring projects in Nagorno-Karabakh, which is an Armenian-occupied part of Azerbaijan, and was criticised for supporting separatism in Nagorno-Karabakh, as mentioned in the paragraph removed by you. Parishan (talk) 16:17, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning Sprutt

I also agree with the submitter that this violates Sprutt's topic ban. Regarding my edits on the article Armenia Fund, I didn't put biased sources. Most of the sources are from blogs, videos, articles, papers, researches done by Armenians (not by Azerbaijanis) and have lots of proof & evidence for the listed facts. Therefore I don't think that my edits lack neutrality and don't understand why I have to receive warning (even formal one). Best, Konullu (talk) 17:46, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My intention wasn't to warn WP readers not contribute to Armenia Fund. I just didn't want to paraphrase that sentence assuming that it will be deleted claiming that it is my "own work" and I might be accused for bad faith. Therefore I left that sentence as it is, you can easily check on Google and see that I used the same wording used by Armenian researcher regarding the fund. Best, Konullu (talk) 22:56, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since there are doubts with regard to the scope of AA sanctions, this request for clarification might be helpful: [65] My understanding of this is that any tendentious editing related to Armenia or Azerbaijan or related regions falls within the scope of AA2 sanctions. In this regard, Sprutt did violate his restriction, as his edit was related to AA topics, from which he was banned. Grandmaster 22:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly find it downright amusing that Konullu would write that he didn't "want to paraphrase that sentence assuming that it will be deleted claiming that it is my 'own work' and I might be accused for bad faith." This is exactly what we encourage editors to do: to paraphrase, not copy and paste and pass the work off as your own. Konullu's edits place such obvious undue emphasis on the negative aspects of the Armenia Fund that it's possible that it didn't quite matter to him so long as he thought the content of the edits spoke for itself. To add this text without placing it in quotation marks is not only plagiarism but, as the administrators below have noted might be construed to be an endorsement of Wikipedia's views.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 03:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Sprutt

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The request is actionable. Contrary to Sprutt's statement, the edit at [66] concerned the topic of the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict if only because it removed the following text: "Support for separatism. The financial assistance does not only go to Armenian Republic, but also to non-recognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. As it is considered integral part of Azerbaijan Republic by all international law and organizations, Armenian Fund is claimed to finance separatism." This violates the topic ban imposed at [67]. I suggest a two-week enforcement block. Also, although this isn't relevant to this particular request, the wording of the topic ban ("the topic of Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts") doesn't make clear whether the ban also extends to anything related to each of the two countries, or only to their conflict(s). I suggest rephrasing it as "anything related to Armenia, Azerbaijan or related ethnic conflicts" to make clear that we mean the former. Sandstein 16:14, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the submitter that this violates Sprutt's topic ban. @Sandstein, I suggest not widening the ban, because Sprutt has also made edits about Armenian architecture. This seems harmless, and it fits with advice we have given in the past. We sometimes remind topic-banned editors that non-conflict-related edits are OK. Note that the material Sprutt reverted was recently added by User:Konullu and it exhibits obvious lack of neutrality. Konullu was warned for AA following an ANI report in 2012. I suggest that we formally warn Konullu for his non-neutral edit at Armenia Fund. I will notify him that he's been mentioned here. Some of his material may be able to stay but he is accepting all criticism at face value and putting it in Wikipedia's voice. EdJohnston (talk) 16:51, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Konullu: Here is the actual wording of the 'Criticism' paragraph that you added: "Despite their willingness to lend a helping hand, numerous contributors tend to think twice before making a donation, due to multiple reports and evidence of corruption linked to the activities of the Fund." Do you think Wikipedia should be warning our readers not to contribute to the Armenia Fund? Should we be announcing in Wikipedia's voice that the Fund is corrupt? This needs to be given in indirect speech and cited to the source. If there is any rebuttal, we should include that also. Cherry-picking negative material about the Armenia Fund is obviously non-neutral. EdJohnston (talk) 18:47, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No objection to a warning of Konullu on that basis. Sandstein 20:52, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I concur that this is actionable and that the edits violate the topic ban. The Armenian Fund article's content, as mentioned above, is clearly within the realm of the injunction on Sprutt's editing. Unlike Ed though, I also support Sandstein's proposed rewording of the topic ban. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 17:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what exactly justifies for an extension of the topic ban, can someone explain this? -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 21:05, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessarily an extension, but rather a clarification. The wording "the topic of Armenia-Azerbaijan", which is unfortunately also found in the ArbCom decision, is unclear as to whether it refers to only the relationship between these two countries, or also to everything related to either country alone. I've assumed that the latter is what was originally meant, but if not we should clarify the scope in the former sense. I'll ask the admin who imposed the topic ban to comment. Sandstein 21:14, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This edit violated the topic ban, but the primary issue last time was with Sprutt's tendentious behavior. Any extension of a topic ban should be tailored to addressed that if possible. If you think you can find a better way to do it, by all means please feel free to change the wording of the ban.
Agree with Ed that Konullu ought to be warned or sanctioned. NW (Talk) 21:22, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Tha'ts not exactly what I was asking regarding the intended scope of the ban, but never mind, that's probably better asked as an ArbCom clarification request. Sandstein 13:15, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I'm sorry. Let me clarify: I believe the topic ban ought to cover anything relating to the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, whether that covers the actions that the governments have taken with respect to each other or individual citizens doing things that antagonize citizens of the other country. The scope of the ban attempted to be narrowly tailored enough to cover where Sprutt was being most tendentious. If it needs to be expanded to cover Armenia or Azerbaijan as a whole to stop that kind of behavior, that is one option, but I'm not seeing it as particularly necessary. His edits clearly related to antagonism between peoples of the two countries and as such violated the topic ban as it currently stands. NW (Talk) 17:42, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that clarifies it for me. If there are no objections, I'll close this with a two-week block for Sprutt, with a clarification that the topic ban applies to anything relating to the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and a warning to Konullu to observe WP:NPOV closely when editing in this topic area. Sandstein 18:09, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

bg:user:Алиса Селезньова

Closed as not actionable. Functionaries of this Wikipedia have neither the ability nor the authority to remove the administrative rights of users on another Wikipedia. Please use that other Wikipedia's dispute resolution processes to resolve your problem. Be advised that misusing this Wikipedia's dispute resolution processes for personal attacks against others may lead to sanctions against you. Sandstein 20:43, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: --Aleksd (talk) 20:13, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: bg:user:Алиса Селезньова

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: removal of administration rights of the user

The user is administrator of Bulgarian Wikipedia who together with bg:user:Мико were continiously harrasing me on religious basis (I am Buddhist), threaten me with the words "Its your time" usually in both English and Bulgarian used as part of the fraze "time to die", reverted my edits in Buddhism to imply irony in issues and harassed my talk page with finally blocking me from Bulgarian Wikipedia. In Bugarian Wikipedia there isn't any type of arbitration and generally administrators act like little 'dictators' and in the case of Bulgarian Wikipedia they are pro-socialist, Orthodox Christians who largelly don't believe in diversity and multiculturalism, and use irony, reverts and deletion to suppress information that doesn't fit what they like. I also made a complain about the situation prior to the ban here, in the English Wikipedia, User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 126#Religious intolerance in Bulgarian Wikipedia

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[68] - using '' to imply irony on Buddhist term, 29 January 2013

[69] - the user says "it's Your time", 21:01 13 February 2013
[70] - deletion by the user of my statement that I don't want to discuss any more since they were starting a quarrel (my talk page), 21:59 13 February 2013
[71] - deletion of the statement again (my talk page), 23:26 13 February 2013
[72] - 3rd deletion, 12:14 14 February 2013

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

There was no warngs because of the administrator status of the users, only pleads:

Warned on 17:04, 25 January 2013 by Aleksd (talk · contribs) - asked to stop with irony

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Users and administrators bg:user:Алиса Селезньова and bg:user:Мико where continuously stepping over my edits in Buddhism making fun and irony of both the religion and my religious believes (not only in Metta article but there mainly), with making fun of me too and trying to make me nervous to have a reason to 'get rid of me' in Bulgarian Wikipedia and stop me from contributing in the area of Buddhism. I admit that they were successful in this but also I think the lack of arbitration and diversity among administrators in Bulgarian Wikipedia should be intervened with a type of arbitration.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

I am unable to notify the user since I am blocked there.

bg:user:Алиса Селезньова

I am sorry, I don't see anything personal in what I have reported. I hope Martin Luther King was not told in his time not to disturb with 'personal problems' the community? If there is not existing rule of such type of resolution I am sure you could have found other and better (kinder) type of explaining it. Namaste. --Aleksd (talk) 00:56, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

SMcCandlish

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning SMcCandlish

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Enric Naval (talk) 03:21, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: SMcCandlish (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Article_titles_and_capitalisation#All_parties_reminded and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Article_titles_and_capitalisation#Discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

06:05, 8 February 2013 "(...) is an idea that in nine years has never gained traction here, not even after some members of WP:BIRDS massively canvassed, disrupted polls that weren't going their way, threatened editorial strikes and walk-outs, abused WP:DRN as a forum for anti-MOS campaigning, etc., etc."
06:21, 8 February 2013 It is not a flaw in MOS that certain unbearably tendentious editors refuse to "accept" and "respect" MOS. This happens all the time, for myriad reasons, from (...), to occupational and avocational publications having style quirks that adherents to refuse to accept (...)"
20:33, 13 February 2013 "It's defense by a handful of editors over the last year or two is arguably just tendentious editwarring in refusal to accept consensus, because there isn't even a local consensus among participants at the project or at MOS:CAPS to begin with, just a tiny handful of editors in favor of it (some not from the insects project at all, but just fans of capitalization)." (clearly a reference to WP:BIRDS wikiproject)
20:39, 13 February 2013 "Except you're missing the point that excessively loud holy-hell-raising be a tiny number of tendentious editors is not an indication of lack of consensus, only refusal to accept that consensus isn't with you" (clearly a reference to WP:BIRDS wikiproject)
02:03, 16 February 2013 "There is only a very tiny minority of editors (less that two dozen, site-wide, from what I can tell from observing five years of this "force Wikipedia to do what my favorite journal does" WP:BATTLEGROUNDing) , mostly at the birds project but a few floating around here and there who say this. It's a matter of a few editors refusing to accept and respect consensus, not the other way around. (...) "Editors who work in different areas" in which capitalization of species sometimes happens all know full well that capitalization is basically never, ever permitted outside their specialist publications, which are not unanimously in favor of it either, and they understand full well that trying to impose it on WP is exactly the same as trying to impose it on Nature and other journals, except that for academics to railing against major journals will harm their careers, while disrupting WP for nine years in a tendentious campaign to force everyone to capitalize just because they like it that way, is just a pointless pastime that few people will take them to task for as long as they also do some productive editing." (clearly a reference to WP:BIRDS wikiproject)
12:18, 23 February 2013 "And guess what? No one's head explodes. No one quit Wikipedia in huff over it, or threatened repeatedly to do so or to organize a project-wide editorial sit-in, or tried to recruit editors to start a competing e-encyclopedia project over the matter, or canvassed to derail a straw poll at MOS, or hijacked WP:DRN as a wikipolitical attack platform on the matter, or any other disruptive nonsense. I can only think of one project in which some participants have engaged in such battlegrounding behavior – without the support of the vast majority of people in the project they presume to act as if they represent, I might add – when it comes to capitalization of species common names." (clearly a reference to WP:BIRDS wikiproject)
13:52, 23 February 2013 "If you want to see people making statements that approach "WP will implode" levels of hysteria, I'll be happy to point you to some, but they won't be coming from MOS regulars, but rather from pushers of some outlying WP:LOCALCONSENSUS (e.g. that capitalization by some but not all journals in a field trumps the orders of magnitude larger bulk of all other publications who do not capitalize even when writing about the same topic) or personal pet-peeve style theory (e.g. that en dashes are never appropriate in proper names of any kind and must be replaced with hyphens)."

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Warned on 2013-02-01 by Sandstein (talk · contribs) (Note: This "warning"/accusation and the validity of its basis are the subject of an ongoing discussion at WP:ARCA that Sandstein opened himself because it was controversial and remains so; SMcCandlish is appealing it.) (this note was added by someone else, the clarification is only asking if warnings can be appealed. It doesn't discuss the validity of the warning. And it's all very moot, since SMcCandlish was a party in the arb case and he was notified of the issuing of discretionary sanctions when the case closed here, and thus he can be considered warned. Admins were already able to impose AE sanctions without previous warnings from the moment the case closed. And the arb case already warned to "avoid personalizing disputes concerning the Manual of Style, the article titles policy ('WP:TITLE'), and similar policy and guideline pages". --Enric Naval (talk) 22:58, 24 February 2013 (UTC))[reply]

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

User keeps personalizing style disputes, with no diffs. The comments are made in MOS pages, relate to MOS matters, and refer to editors that had MOS disputes with him. Many of the diffs are comments about some members of the WP:BIRDS wikiproject, even if the project is not mentioned by name. User was specifically warned about "broad allegations of severe personal misconduct on the part of several editors", with the allegations being "unsupported by any useful evidence". [73] --Enric Naval (talk) 03:21, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Gatoclass. At least tell him to stop this sort of commentaries. --Enric Naval (talk) 22:18, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[74]

Discussion concerning SMcCandlish

Statement by SMcCandlish

I've been specifically moderating my comments to impersonalize them, and address patterns of editing behavior (i.e. edits) not specific editors. That these editing patterns come mostly (not entirely, and I"ve been careful to note that) from editors who happen to be vocal and highly politicizing participants in a particular project (but represent only a small fraction of that project's membership, another fact I've been careful to point out repeatedly) are salient facts that cannot be avoided and which are genuinely relevant to the discussion in which I've mentioned them. I have been especially careful to avoid the "blaming the project" language that has formerly characterized the debate (not just from me; hardly). I have chosen my words very carefully. I also explicitly refactored discussion of that project out of the thread in which people were recycling old arguments about it, because that project is not actually relevant to the real discussion. I shunted that tooth-gnashy, distracting rehash into a separate thread which even by the title I gave it hopefully will discourage further bickering. In replying there, I also make it clear that capitalization-advancing members of that project are actually getting what they want, both at MOS and MOSCAPS, which are not in conflict about their project or its topic. The guideline and its subpage are conflicting only when it comes to insects, a topic not related to the project in question. Posting a bunch of diffs, as the AE requester is lashing out at me for not doing, would have no effect but to intensely personalize the dispute, by drawing renewed attention to specific editors by name for actions I would hope by now most of them regret. That consistently identifiable patterns of disruptive behavior have been brought to bear by one side of the debate is an important fact within and about the debate itself, but making it did not require kicking people individually for things that happened a year or more ago, and frankly I think that the AE requester seriously needs to rethink his priorities if his "solution" to my allegedly being oh so personalizing would be to force me to muckrake by name in an almost WP:LAWYERly level of nitpicking, linked detail. If AE really wants diffs of every single one of those things, you'd better bet I can provide them. I repeat that I chose my words very carefully. I cannot possibly see any good coming from doing so here or at WT:MOS. I specifically refrained from naming names, and addressed only historically attested editorial behaviors and patterns thereof in the aggregate. It is after all the behaviors and the patterns formed by them that matter; I couldn't care less who in particular engages in them). This is the diametric opposite of "personalizing style disputes". The requester of this dispute is effectively demanding that I personalize style disputes in order to demonstrate that I'm not personalizing style disputes. "NO-O-OBODY expects the Spanish Inquisitionnn!"
Also, the complainant's assumptions in the form "(clearly a reference to WP:BIRDS wikiproject)" again and again above are categorically incorrect (again: I am being careful to clearly distinguish between the project and a self-selecting group of people who are mostly but not entirely participating in that project), and is flat-out wrong completely, even direction-wise, with regard to point #4 above! I'd like to quote Robert Anton Wilson here: "Never ASSUME, or you will probably make an ASS out of both U and ME." Also, the requester is relying on a disputed "warning"/accusation by Sandstein, about which several Arbs and many other admins and regular editors have raised concerns. Worse yet, the requester's interpretation of its wording is incorrect anyway and not applicable here. Sandstein accused me and Noetica and two others of making specific accusations at AE, without proof, of editorial misconduct by several specific, named editors. I and others had in fact already provided the proof, and WP:AN had already acted on it by issuing a topic ban and block to Apteva and informal warnings to the others at issue; Sandstein simply hadn't seen it, making his accusation a false one, and although it doesn't appear to have been an intentional oversight, he nevertheless refuses to take it back, ~~on what I believe is some kind of procedural point, not simply stubbornness~~ and clearly has a personal bone to pick with me, judging by his attempt to close this AE himself and issue me a long-term ban. Noetica quit Wikipedia in protest, while I have instead sought an avenue of appeal, and that is still ongoing (the consensus so far is clearly that it can be appealed because it includes an accusation, i.e. an alleged finding of fact which can be contested). None of that relates in any way to be being critical of patterns of disruptive editing behavior and carefully both anonymizing and limiting the implied breadth of whose patterns these might be in the context. By way of analogy, the warning/accusation was about my saying "my neighbor Bob is an irresponsible driver and that makes Bob dangerous" without proof (but I actually already posted the proof, which makes the warning/accusation bogus), while this new AE is trying to censure and censor me, under that warning/accusation's rationale, for saying "Irresponsible driving is dangerous, and we've seen what that looks like in our own neighborhood" and avoiding personalizing it. If a person is not named, then by definition it is not personalized. QED.
Opening a discussion at WT:MOS about WP:MOSCAPS directly contradicting WP:MOS on a point that MOS explicitly overruled in 2008 and which never had consensus to be in MOSCAPS or the WP:INSECTS page it was borrowed from to begin with (check their archives; I did), is not "battlegrounding". Trying to prevent MOSCAPS being synched to MOS (which it needs to be per WP:LOCALCONSENSUS and per MOS's own introductory paragraph which states specifically that it supersedes its subpages in the event of any conflict) out of an expressly stated desire to change MOS and MOS's entire nature, is what some might call battlegrounding (and WP:POINTy and WP:GAMING and several other problematic things), though I think it has more to do with misapplication of pressure to the wrong point.
I realize, trust me, that helping protect MOS and thereby Wikipedia's stability and usability from tendentious special interests and their pet peeves is mostly a worse-than-thankless task, but this latest AE request is a pile of vindictive nonsense. It was requested by someone who was himself recommended at WP:AN for topic-banning on a style issue (along with Apteva, who actually was topic-banned), and I was the one who recommended extending the ban to him (thus this is easy to see as purely a vengeance AE request, just like the Apteva vs. Noetica one a few weeks ago). The request is supported first by an editor-admin who is closely tied to an MOS-related ongoing dispute involving me at WP:ARCA, and who recently tried to censor me off RfA via AE and met with much derision for that attempt; note that here he simply drops an accusatory and condemnatory one-liner that neither proves I've done anything wrong nor admits his own roles and involvements in these disputes, including what appears to be a personal vendetta against me in particular. The request is supported second by one of my two only real opponents at the MOS debate in question, a discussion in which said editor has made it clear that he is trying to impede application of LOCALCONSENSUS to MOSCAPS in his effort to change MOS itself rather than addressing the actual policy arguments I made under LOCALCONSENSUS, etc., at this discussion in WT:MOS. I also find it unfortunate that we don't see eye to eye on this particular matter, as we do tend to agree on many other things. But filibustering on this is not the way to change MOS. The way to change MOS is propose a change at WT:MOS and work toward consensus for it. Pitting MOSCAPS against MOS is worse than pointless. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 11:43, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If by "the request is supported second" you mean me, then please read what I wrote. Maybe it's my British tendency to understatement, but to me it's clear that when I wrote "I do not believe he should be prevented from contributing to MOS-related discussions" I was not supporting sanctions against you. Clearly I can't dispute Enrik Naval's statement that you have used inappropriate language, since it's precisely what I have already said to you here. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:26, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you say so. It appeared to me that you did support some sanctions, but reluctantly, and short of a topic ban. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 02:39, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I formally move that this AE request must be dismissed with prejudice because it is clearly vexatious (the action was brought to harass or subdue an adversary). It is also frivolous (lacking WP policy/procedural merit) and brought with unclean hands ("If there is any indication that the plaintiff seeking the remedy had acted in bad faith" it won't be granted; if it's vexatious, unclean hands doctrine is almost always also applicable, because you basically can't be attempting to hound or silenced a debate opponent in good faith, by definition). That's all three of the grounds for immediate dismissal. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 12:57, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Sandstein: I repeat: If a person is not named, then by definition it is not personalized. Studiously avoiding criticizing other editors as people and only addressing patterns of editing behavior is the opposite of personalizing disputes. Also, you seriously have no business chiming in on this one except in the "Comments by others about the request concerning SMcCandlish" because you are deeply involved. We have an ongoing dispute, in which plenty of Arbs are siding with my concerns, at WP:ARCA, and about which numerous other parties, including other admins, have questioned your judgement and neutrality. I believe at the frivolous and vexatious AE that SarekOfVulcan used to try to censor me at RfA, you were specifically asked by at least one other admin to back off. See WP:KETTLE. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 13:05, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Sandstein again, but intended for public consumption: I'm sorry that you are taking my use of the word "protecting" in such an unusually personal, over-interpreted way, and adding to it your own feelings about me. I mean it in precisely the same way that terms like this are used at WP:VANDAL, the Defender of the Wiki Barnstar, New Pages patrol, the neutrality and other content-related noticeboards, etc. I am a conscientious editor here to help write an encyclopedia. There are many threats to the reliability, usability, credibility, etc., of this project. While the most obvious one is outright moronic vandalism, there are many more subtle and more dangerous ones, chief among them PoV-pushing. One very common form of it consists of attempts by special interests to warp encyclopedic language to suit their whims, and to force all other readers and editors to do as these specialists do. It's a extreme form of WP:OWNership, of entire broad topic areas. MOS regulars, and many other editors site-wide (track WP:RM for a while, you'll see) resist this. I speak more plainly when I do so that some do. WP:CIVIL does not require that anyone be lovey-dovey or pretend that deleterious editing behaviors are okay. WP:AGF does not require one to continue to assume good faith after evidence has mounted that a deleterious editing behavior pattern shows a clear agenda to force Wikipedia to do what some particular sort of specialist publication does – whether that be academic journals in a particular subfield or anime fandom publications or anything in between – that conflicts severely with everyday English and most or all published sources that are not limited to that special interest. WP:POLICY does not require that I be terse. Lambasting me for not being terse as if this were a policy matter and basing even in part your desire to long-term block me because I type longer sentences that you do is totally inappropriate here. I'm glad you did mention it pointedly here, though, since it clearly demonstrates that you have no business posing as an uninvolved admin on this issue, and obviously have a personal beef with me.
And that's just one reason you're not uninvolved. Your extreme proposal at Talk:Mexican–American War to topic-ban Noetica and everyone else in the dispute, then and in perpetuity, and your dogged pursuit of me, Noetica and others, even in the face of sharp criticism for it from other admins, is strongly evidenciary of a bone to pick. Your position seems to be that because you have not expressed a preference for capitalization vs. lower case for species common names or vice versa, or for hyphens vs. dashes or vice versa in titles that juxtapose two discrete entities, this means you are somehow neutral. But you clearly do – perhaps more than any other admin on the system – have a horse in this race. It isn't a particular style nit-pick, it is that you are intolerant of style nit-picking. Your position is one of impatience and of trivializing concerns that others care about, which you haughtily condemn as meaningless. It's fortunate that your proposal to simply censor everyone at Mexican–American War with long-term topic bans (which seems to be the only remedy you want to advance for anything) failed; it was supported by no one other than SarekOfVulcan, since the one other intelligible "support" !vote was rescinded, and all others were against, except one weird one from a noob that goes on about "contracts" and doesn't make sense in the context). But trying to get everyone to shut up about style disputes by threatening them with blocks and hounding them off the system is not an appropriate response to such failure to gain consensus to silence other editors. The proper course of action is, of course, dropping the matter and finding something else to concern yourself with. I have to suggest that the party here who needs to stay out of style disputes is you, Sandstein, because you can't stand them and simply want to muzzle people who engage in them.
Now let's address your latest accusation. I have no stance that I am "right" in some absolute sense about any style issue at all. You claim I do, and that I must be banned for at least a year for it, without demonstrating this claim to be true. (What was that about casting personal aspersions without proof, again? Are you going to block yourself?) I do take the position that consensus (such as at MOS to not capitalize the common names of species, and to use dashes not hyphens when dashes are called for) has been arrived at for reasons that best serve Wikipedia's interests, and that it is necessary to defend consensus-based guidelines from willy-nilly attempts to undo them by people with a specialist "my journal doesn't do it that way and I'm an expert so you have to obey my preferences" bone to pick. Such attempts are very frequent (and do in fact most commonly involve capitalization and hyphenation). This necessarily means that anyone involved in trying to stop MOS from being altered by every random special interest on earth will necessarily be seen as being frequently involved in such debates, and is fairly likely to be seen as argumentative, because these disputes are rarely pretty, due to the "we have the One True Way" attitude brought by people trying to force specialist quirks into MOS. There are actually many things in MOS that do not match my own writing style and preferences (for instance, I always hyphenate things like "African-American" and do not believe that US/Imperial customary units like "inch" should be abbreviated like "in" without dots after them, etc., etc.), but I defend MOS on such points, and obey them when writing WIkipedia, because it's more important that MOS be stable and be arrived at by a consensus of editors here who care about it, than for me to get my way about what MOS should say. I think this is necessarily true of all MOS "regulars".
The thread at WT:MOS that lead to this AE request isn't even about style, but about a few editors trying to filibuster the synching of MOSCAPS to its overriding parent page, MOS which should be done per LOCALCONSENSUS policy (it does not permit individuals or little groups of editors to make up their own rules against site-wide consensuses, something on which ARBCOM has spoken authoritatively as well more than once). It's not actually a style dispute at all, it's a power struggle over whether style is set at MOS, with participation at WT:MOS by people from relevant wikiprojects as well as less topically-focused editors, or is set by insular wikiprojects – often with no external input, or with noted external input that strenuously disagrees with the wikiproject's proposal – then pushed into MOS by any means necessary. Projects (I've co-founded several) do produce useful guideline material that is regularly accepted into MOS – when it does not grossly conflict with everyday usage of the English language. When it does, MOS almost always sides with everyday usage (after all, the vast majority of reliable sources, from newspapers to other encyclopedias, support that usage over a quirky variant that's in evidence only in some specialist publications). Some editors refuse to accept this. I"m being keelhauled for not giving them what they want, and for daring to criticize what sometimes turn into disruptive campaigns by such editors (but going out of my way to not single them out personally for editor-not-edits criticism). I'm sure my daring to be critical of the behavior of a couple of admins who keep involving themselves in style disputes, then claim to be uninvolved when they try to silence other parties in those debates, surely couldn't have anything to do with it, though. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 02:32, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Hans Adler: I too have trying very hard to assume good faith about Sandstein's intentions, but this has gone too far now [regardless what the underlying motivation might be]. It's just outright WP:HARASSment at this point. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 03:29, 25 February 2013 (UTC) Updated: — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 11:25, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@The Devil's Advocate: Your concise outline of the debate appears to be correct to me. I even made a point of refactoring the thrice-damned "let's argue about birds again" junk out of the discussion, which is about a MOSCAPS vs. MOS wording conflict on insects, to keep it on track. I feel that my actual failure in this instance was allowing myself to be goaded into such an argument at all instead of recognizing it immediately as a topic shift that would mire the discussion in distracting noise. Birds are not even relevant to the thread at all! — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 03:29, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Peter coxhead: In the "bloc" instance I was referring to someone who blatantly canvassed a wikiproject to come and swamp and disrupt a straw poll at WT:MOS; this editor was formally found at WP:AN/I to in fact have canvassed in such a manner, so I can prove that. Again, I don't think there's any point in personalizing the issue by digging up names and diffs., when the point was to suggest simply that going to extremes like that to prevent WP doing what the majority of reliable sources do is disruptive. If I have to get specific, e.g. in an ArbCom case, I will, of course, but can't see any benefit to doing so here or at WT:MOS. The "police" comment was in reference to what is happening right now here at AE and more extendedly at ARBATC, etc., over the last several weeks, starting with Sandstein's false accusations against me, Noetica and two others, in defense of Apteva after he'd already been sanctioned at AN (well, actually going back to the dash dispute at Mexican–American War, in which I did not even participate). When I used "gaggle", I was including you. It's not a word I use much, and I wasn't trying to imply you were following a "pack" mentality, but rather I was pointing out that the number of editors who want to capitalize common names is small. When I say things like "people from one project, and a few outliers", by "a few outliers" I really mean "User:Peter coxhead, and presumably someone who's an entomologist, and likely someone else or other I've forgotten". :-) WRT projects, while I doubt that too many people in any wikiproject like their editing patterns analyzed as a bloc, WP:CIVIL does not require that one be flattering, bloc-like behavior a.k.a. WP:GANG is an actual recognized and condemned form of disruptive editing, and if I were forced to muckrake by name, I could easily do so with diffs. The fact that these problematic patterns have been involved is intrinsically important to the debate itself as a meta-issue (who exactly, and when, on what page are not actually important; the overreactive "holy war" behavior is the issue), so it inevitably comes up. Perhaps I'm not finding the perfect balance between diff-filled personal takings-to-task, which would be a pointless, battlegrounding grudgefest, and pretending nothing like these editing behaviors ever happened, which would simply doom us to withstand them again. I'm certainly making this less personal than ever before and going out of my way to anonymize and to address edits, not users. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 03:29, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Sandstein, re: "problematic conduct by the editors SMcCandlish appears to consider to be his opponents ... would need to be examined in a separate enforcement request, particularly because SMcCandlish's response does not contain diffs of potentially sanctionable behavior on the part of others." I have made no request for such enforcement; the birds issue has mostly been dormant and tempers about it have been relatively calm for about a year, until two parties tried to shoehorn it into the current discussion at WT:MOS about MOSCAPS and insects, as The Devil's Advocate noted. As I've said repeatedly here, I'm am studiously avoiding personalizing any such dispute, and a request for diffs to use for sanctioning other editors is a request for me to blatantly personalize it, so I do of course decline to stick my neck into such a trap, thanks. It would also be hypocritical of me to enable you to drag more editors into your "muzzle both sides of the dispute so I can pretend there isn't one" plan. PS: I never said I "consider [them or anyone] to be [my] opponents." Peter coxhead, for example, and I get along just fine on other issues, and I've had interesting conversations with other participants at WP:BIRDS (where I've contributed non-trivially to the nomenclature and taxonomy wording itself!). — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 11:25, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning SMcCandlish

SMcCandlish's WP:BATTLEGROUND approach to the MOS needs to stop, and he has to work constructively with people who disagree with him. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 03:42, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately it's impossible not to agree that SMcCandlish's language directed at some editors is unacceptable. (I could easily add other examples to the list above.) I say "unfortunately" because he has done some excellent and demanding work to the benefit of Wikipedia, e.g. putting together material from separate fauna and flora pages and expanding and clarifying it at the proposed MOS:ORGANISMS. For this reason I do not believe he should be prevented from contributing to MOS-related discussions. But he must take WP:AGF to heart and accept that a lively debate is possible between editors with very different views without any personal comments directed at opponents, however justified the comments may seem to him to be. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:48, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
SMcCandlish and others will probably be disgusted that I couldn't give a toss about bird names. Sorry. In my occasional flicks through MoS, it appears to me that he speaks plainly, which might upset a few people; but strong debaters are what makes WP a dynamic environment, and he's got the intellect to do this. I've known him for many years, and although we don't always agree, I really respect his contributions, his talent, and his ability to interact productively. I'm suspicious that it's the same crew here piling on complaints about this valuable editor. They seem to act in a pack, which is disappointing. Could everyone take a step back, please? Here's space to denigrate me, guys, just below my signature ↓ Tony (talk) 11:51, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Response to Hans Adler below: Yep, Sandstein has now lost my confidence. Tony (talk) 14:08, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I too greatly respect SMcCandlish's contributions and talent and very much want to see him continuing to edit productively; he's a valuable editor without doubt. Plain speaking and strong debates are fine; I'm happy to join in and have had productive discussions with him. But this doesn't justify using language like handfuls of editors who act as blocs, "police brotherhood" types in the increasingly elitist "admin community", A gaggle of people who didn't get what they want. I'm not part of a "pack"; I'd just like SMcCandlish to recognize that his language is inappropriate and discourages others from participating in MOS debates. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:33, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Like Peter, I think that SMcCandlish does a lot of good work around here. He has done time-consuming marshaling of facts in discussions about whether common names should be capitalized, and in many other areas, and it would be a shame to lose his insights at MOS. I do wish he would keep his posts focused on the facts, though, and remember to assume good faith and not try to characterize the motivations of other editors (which, in my opinion, personalizes a conversation, even without naming names.) Tdslk (talk) 18:34, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I don't think that Sandstein should be passing judgement in this case. While Sandstein may technically not meet the requirements to be WP:INVOLVED, given the ongoing WP:ARCA case it seems to me that other admins should handle this one. Tdslk (talk) 18:44, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I find it disturbing that some people are trying to shut SMcCandlish up instead of addressing the substance of his remarks. —Neotarf (talk) 13:56, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Hans Adler

From a broader point of view it is encouraging to see Sandstein continuing to dig his own grave (more precisely: his adminship's). I have long felt that his wikilawyering power trips probably make him a net negative influence on the project. But I am worried about the possibility of further collateral damage in this particular dispute. Maybe Arbcom would like to have a quiet word with Sandstein? I am beginning to believe that he is acting in good faith and really just doesn't get it. Hans Adler 14:05, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by The Devil's Advocate

Looks to me like the events played out as such: SMc raised reasonable concerns regarding information on the MOS pages and possible conflict between two of the pages. Peter coxhead, makes a suggestion, but mostly uses his response to rattle on about how MOS bad. SMc responds with his comments about WP:BIRDS and Quale responds with general soapboxing against MOS and MOS "denizens" inflaming the dispute further. Context matters in this situation as others were serving to inflame the dispute, taking it off-track from what it was initially about.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 18:39, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Ohconfucius

Most of the time on style and policy talk pages, Stanton talks a lot of solid common sense. With just one of his many comments, he can debunk medicine men and quacks, and pierce through an almost infinite layer of bullshit and lawyering in such a way that I can never hope to achieve. He often quite forthright and may write a bit too much or post too frequently for his efforts to achieve optimal effect. He may have a tendency to hyperbole and to overdramatise, for I don't find the naming of birds worthy of the amount of noise it has generated, but that's about the only thing Stanton's guilty of, IMHO. I disagree that his posts are "too personal", for it is not possible to supply evidence in diffs and not collaterally reveal the identity of a party to a given discussion.
And FWIW, I don't consider Sandstein's last "warning" to have any validity. -- Ohconfucius ^{ping / poke} 02:10, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning SMcCandlish

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

The request has merit. As a party to the original case, WP:ARBATC, and by way of my AE warning of 1 February 2013 and another AE request of 8 February 2013, SMcCandlish has been reminded multiple times that the manual of style (MOS) is not a battleground. However, as this request shows, SMcCandlish continues to treat it as one, notably by personalizing stylistic disagreements by ascribing disruptive intent to other editors (whether named or not). This is reflected in the diffs cited as evidence ("members of WP:BIRDS massively canvassed, disrupted ... abused ..."; "certain unbearably tendentious editors refuse to 'accept'", "excessively loud holy-hell-raising be a tiny number of tendentious editors", "disrupting WP for nine years in a tendentious campaign") but also in his response to this request, where he characterizes his actions as "helping protect MOS and thereby Wikipedia's stability and usability from tendentious special interests and their pet peeves". This reflects an absolute "right versus wrong" attitude that is entirely inappropriate not only as an approach to disagreements in a collaborative project generally, but to disagreements about matters of style particularly. In addition, I have had the opportunity, in the course of the AE discussions mentioned above, to observe that this extraordinarily confrontative, personalizing (and long-winded) way of expressing himself is a hallmark of SMcCandlish's approach to disagreements, such that I can safely conclude that the edits reported here are not isolated incidents but part of a consistent behavior pattern.

I consider that this behavior is strongly detrimental to the collaborative development and maintenance of the MOS. Consequently, if there are no compelling objections by other uninvolved administrators, I intend to ban SMcCandlish, initially for a year, from making any edits related to the MOS (excluding references to the MOS, as it is then in force, in discussing specific edits to articles).

This proposed sanction is not to be taken as disregard for or an endorsement of any problematic conduct by the editors SMcCandlish appears to consider to be his opponents. But any such misconduct by the "other side" would need to be examined in a separate enforcement request, particularly because SMcCandlish's response does not contain diffs of potentially sanctionable behavior on the part of others. Sandstein 12:52, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

SMcCandlish, above, argues that I am too involved to act as an uninvolved administrator here. I disagree. Per WP:INVOLVED, "an administrator who has interacted with an editor or topic area purely in an administrative role, or whose prior involvements are minor or obvious edits which do not speak to bias, is not involved and is not prevented from acting in an administrative capacity in relation to that editor or topic area. This is because one of the roles of administrators is precisely to deal with such matters, at length if necessary. Warnings, calm and reasonable discussion and explanation of those warnings, advice about community norms, and suggestions on possible wordings and approaches do not make an administrator 'involved'." In this case, I have interacted with SMcCandlish only in the administrative capacity envisioned by that policy provision – that is, by warning him. The fact that SMcCandlish strongly objects to this warning, as he has every right to, and that others may also disagree with it, does not make me involved. Accordingly, I decline to recuse myself in this case. Sandstein 13:12, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is just a quick response as I must log off quickly, but at first glance I could not support such a sanction. Without going into further detail, my only other comment at this point would be that good faith, competent editors whose skills and value to the project are recognized by other editors in good standing, should only be subject to bans, particularly long bans, as a last resort, and my impression at this stage is that we are far from that point with regard to SMcCandlish. Once again, apologies for the brevity of this response, I will probably have more to say with regard to this case tomorrow. Gatoclass (talk) 14:24, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The appeal to All parties reminded should have been accompanied with a link to the diffs to edits; all the links posted thus far are to Talk. I had a quick look and it looks like the edits by SMcCandlish to the MoS itself were made on 5 and 6 February 2013, and they were ultimately only partially reverted by SarekOfVulcan [75].

I've just read the first forty kilobytes (!) of Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Conflict between MOS:CAPS and MOS and I see how SMcCandlish can be perceived as excessively confrontational. Nevertheless, the gist of his argument seems to be that people are repetitively making generalized claims about uppercasing founded in a professed allegiance to reliable sources, but without backing them up with actual references; in that discussion, I saw him drop a few few names - Nature, Science and Journal of Ornithology, but no equivalent from the opposition. This seems like a fairly legitimate reason for him to be upset at the opposition. Maybe I didn't read that right, and I already admitted to having stopped reading after a while - I have to say it's SMcCandlish's general long-windedness that is the main reason for that. (Note to the requestor - if you think the other party is 'drowning' you in a discussion with mere volume, it's best for you to try to ignore that and nevertheless state your argument clearly and concisely.) On that note, the quoted parts of the request appear to be incriminating in and of themselves, but they're actually a really small part of what SMcCandlish wrote, for better or for worse. (Note to the requestor - provide a descriptive context next time to avoid the impression you're cherry-picking quotes.)

Overall, I don't yet see how SMcCandlish is being so egregiously disruptive to be e.g. topic-banned. His long rants are annoying to read, but he doesn't appear to be abusing the system, instead it looks like he's making a good-faith effort to prevent the system from being abused by others. It's very easy for this to appear like he's being attacked here because of his style as a means to undermine the otherwise sound substance of his argument. (Note to the requestor - it would actually have helped if someone actually fully contested the contentious edits at MoS; it's not clear if this was just a courteous unwillingness to engage in an edit war or actual backing down; SMcCandlish's dispute tag removed by SarekOfVulcan was restored by -sche so it appears that it has more merit than not. It would also have been helpful if someone else had done the legwork of fishing all this out of the page history.)

Again, I've only just read a part of this, I probably don't have a lot of experience at AE, it looks to me like I've got a sample decent enough to comment on; if not, please feel free to clarify. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 11:18, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Konullu

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Konullu

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Konullu (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBMAC, Wikipedia:ARBAA2

Konullu has been a Turkish/Azeri POV pusher with a severe case of battleground mentality and a long history of disruption on Armenian-Azeri/Turkish-related topics. He has been consistently engaging in tendentious editing, edit-warring, and several other forms of disruption, documented below.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[76] Reverted the blanking of the article by an admin without any edit-summary. The article is one big POV pushing, Copyright infringing, unrealibly sourced article. Please see the TP of article for more details.
[77] Many cases of tag bombing (this is just one example)
[78] Changing the coordinates of Mount Ararat just because it "appears to be in Armenia"

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Warned on [79] by Sandstein (talk · contribs)
Warned on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Konullu&diff=526454933&oldid=523021573] by MarshallBagramyan (talk · contribs)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I would first like to point out that Konullu is under a serious conviction of SPI. This SPI has been going on for awhile but it has received no responses.

Additional concerns: [80] Tried to manipulate E4024, a user who is banned due to the very same accussations which has brought me here, to POV tag the Armenian National Congress (1917) article. This was an article which he has sent to AfD before.

He has copied and pasted large sections of "Armenian Genocide" denial in 5 articles: Armenian Genocide Armenian Highland Armenia History of Armenia Armenian resistance (1914–1918) United Armenia

[81]Justice for Khojaly He has copied and pasted large sections about the Khojaly masscre. The section is highly POV using words like "brutally", "violently", "totally exterminated", and references it being worse than the Sbrenica Massacre and it being the worst Genocides in the 20th century. Might I also add that the sources used to make these claims is a letter [of a reader] to an editor by a certain "Sumer Aygen" and a post by a certain username "südkaukasus2" made to have the German government recognize the massacre as genocide. I have raised these concerns to him in the Talk Page but to no avail. This massacre section is currently in three different articles (1 2 3).

AfD for Armenian Congress of Eastern Armenians clearly a disruptive move

Armenia Fund he added sources of some Ara K. Manoogian and his postings on keghart.com and his personal website thetruthmustbetold.com to make Bad Faith edits.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Konullu

Statement by Konullu

Comments by others about the request concerning Konullu

Result concerning Konullu

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

[1] The administrator may indicate consent at any time before, during, or after imposition of the restriction.

[2] This criterion does not apply if the original action was imposed as a result of rough consensus at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, as there would be no single enforcing administrator.

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 : Overall, I don't yet see how SMcCandlish is being so egregiously disruptive to be e.g. topic-banned. His long rants are annoying to read, but he doesn't appear to be abusing the system, instead it looks like he's making a good-faith effort to prevent the system from being abused by others. It's very easy for this to appear like he's being attacked here because of his style as a means to undermine the otherwise sound substance of his argument. (Note to the requestor - it would actually have helped if someone actually fully contested the contentious edits at MoS; it's not clear if this was just a courteous unwillingness to engage in an edit war or actual backing down; SMcCandlish's dispute tag removed by SarekOfVulcan was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Capital_letters&diff=536957685&oldid=536951514 restored by -sche] so it appears that it has more merit than not. It would also have been helpful if someone else had done the legwork of fishing all this out of the page history.)
 : Again, I've only just read a part of this, I probably don't have a lot of experience at AE, it looks to me like I've got a sample decent enough to comment on; if not, please feel free to clarify. --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 11:18, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
+==Konullu==
+''Attention:  This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.''
+===Request concerning Konullu===
+; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : [[User:Proudbolsahye|Proudbolsahye]] ([[User talk:Proudbolsahye|talk]]) 21:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
+; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Konullu}}
+;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[WP:ARBMAC]], [[Wikipedia:ARBAA2]]
+Konullu has been a Turkish/Azeri POV pusher with a severe case of battleground mentality and a long history of disruption on Armenian-Azeri/Turkish-related topics. He has been consistently engaging in tendentious editing, edit-warring, and several other forms of disruption, documented below.
+; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :
+<!-- Supply diffs as evidence here, and explain why they require arbitration enforcement. Any allegation not supported by a diff is usually disregarded. You may also link to an archived version of long discussions instead of supplying very many diffs. -->
+#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justice_for_Khojaly&diff=540208058&oldid=540168439] Reverted the blanking of the article by an admin without any edit-summary. The article is one big POV pushing, Copyright infringing, unrealibly sourced article. Please see the TP of article for more details.
+#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikolai_Bayev&diff=539308250&oldid=539152334] Many cases of tag bombing (this is just one example)
+#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mount_Ararat&diff=534232796&oldid=533500315] Changing the coordinates of [[Mount Ararat]] just because it "[[User_talk:Konullu#Mount_Ararat|appears to be in Armenia"]]
+; Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required) :
+<!-- Many arbitration remedies require a prior warning before sanctions may be imposed. Link to the warning here. -->
+#Warned on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Konullu&diff=prev&oldid=540040365] by {{user|Sandstein}}
+#Warned on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Konullu&diff=526454933&oldid=523021573] by {{user|MarshallBagramyan}}
+; Additional comments by editor filing complaint :
+I would first like to point out that Konullu is under a [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Konullu|serious conviction of SPI]]. This SPI has been going on for awhile but it has received no responses.
+'''Additional concerns:'''
+[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:E4024&diff=prev&oldid=540125318] Tried to manipulate E4024, a user who is banned due to the very same accussations which has brought me here, to POV tag the [[Armenian National Congress (1917)]] article. This was an article which [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Armenian_Congress_of_Eastern_Armenians| he has sent to AfD before]].
+He has copied and pasted large sections of "Armenian Genocide" denial in 5 articles:
+[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Armenian_Genocide&diff=prev&oldid=526420443 Armenian Genocide]
+[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Armenian_Highland&diff=prev&oldid=526420740 Armenian Highland]
+[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Armenia&diff=prev&oldid=526421268 Armenia]
+[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Armenia&diff=prev&oldid=526421988 History of Armenia]
+[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Armenian_resistance_(1914%E2%80%931918)&diff=prev&oldid=526422262 Armenian resistance (1914–1918)]
+[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_Armenia&diff=prev&oldid=526423095 United Armenia]
+[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Khojali_Rayon&diff=539317463&oldid=530912821][[Justice_for_Khojaly#Khojaly_Massacre|Justice for Khojaly]] He has copied and pasted large sections about the Khojaly masscre. The section is highly POV using words like "brutally", "violently", "totally exterminated", and references it being worse than the Sbrenica Massacre and it being the worst Genocides in the 20th century. Might I also add that the sources used to make these claims is a letter [of a reader] to an editor by a certain "Sumer Aygen" and a post by a certain username "südkaukasus2" made to have the German government recognize the massacre as genocide. I have raised these concerns to him in the [[Talk:Justice_for_Khojaly|Talk Page]] but to no avail. This massacre section is currently in three different articles ([[2012 Istanbul rally to commemorate the Khojaly massacre|1]][[Justice for Khojaly|2]][[Khojali_Rayon|3]]).
+[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Armenian_Congress_of_Eastern_Armenians&oldid=537383452 AfD for Armenian Congress of Eastern Armenians] clearly a disruptive move
+[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Armenia_Fund&diff=536441713&oldid=536381781 Armenia Fund] he added sources of some Ara K. Manoogian and his postings on keghart.com and his personal website thetruthmustbetold.com to make Bad Faith edits.
+; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
+<!-- Please notify the user against whom you request enforcement of the request, and then replace this comment with a diff of the notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise. -->
+<!--- In the line below, replace USERNAME with the username of the editor against whom you request enforcement. --->
+===Discussion concerning Konullu===
+====Statement by Konullu====
+====Comments by others about the request concerning Konullu====
+===Result concerning Konullu===
+<!-- Use {{hat|Result}} / {{hab}} to mark this request as closed.-->
+:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.''

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