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excellent advice to COI editors

Hey

Oi, you haven't put your email into your preferences!

Only reason I noticed is that I usually ask this privately, but anyway...fancy a shot at RFA? I would be happy to nominate you. Best, Moreschi (talk) (debate) 22:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oi, Moreschi, I've sent you an email so you'll have my address if you ever need it. Thanks for the offer and your confidence. But... admin-ing would take too much time away from what I really enjoy – writing articles, rescuing worthy kittens from being drowned at AfDs, and helping out on the Opera Project. The latter can provide quite enough wiki-drama as it is. ;-). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was a delight...

...to read this brilliant piece. And I wasn't even looking for it; I came here to thank you for backing me up on the GA issue on Egardus, since that's something that's been bugging me for a while and had to get off my chest. But your essay was spot-on. Oops, there I go again, pretending to be an adult! Need to get a bouncier, animated signature ... Antandrus (talk) 23:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll make you one if you promise to give me three barnstars. ;-) Seriously, though thanks for the kind review. I wrote that when WP was in the midst of an invasion by a particularly... er... time-consuming... bunch of 13 year olds. At one point there was even a WikiProject (now deleted) that was awarding them barnstars for every 1000 edits, every 50 AfD's "voted on", every 5 (hapless) editors they adopted, etc., etc.. For a while, I and a couple of other editors spent all our time running around cleaning up after them, until they lost interest and/or got blocked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Much appreciation

Hi, Voceditenore. Thanks for the beautiful rewrite on John Andrew Rea. I would prefer not having to delete noteworthy articles, but the current backlog at copyright violations leaves me little time to revise much text. (Especially in Moonriddengirl's absence.) I just wanted you to know that I very much appreciate your contributions. Cheers. — CactusWriter | ^needles 06:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome ;-) and you were absolutely right to delete it. If you have time, could you do me a favour? I've re-written Juliette Pochin on Talk:Juliette Pochin/Temp. Would it possible to move it into article space. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Another nice job -- and better still was your discussion with the original creator on the talk page. "...Teach a man to fish..." etc. You're a good teacher. Cheers. — CactusWriter | ^needles 16:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! In my university teaching days, I once had a student who plagiarsed my own book in her essay. But at least it took some effort, bless her. She typed it out from the hardcopy — must have taken ages. Re "teaching how to fish...", I'm not sure how many new fishermen it produces for Wikipedia. In the Opera Project we get a lot of articles for singers, opera companies, etc. created by their agents and PR people, and sometimes themselves. In my experience, the best I can hope for is that they'll edit their article according to the guidelines in future. I have yet to find one who has ever contributed anything else to Wikipedia. Their only interest in the project is as a PR tool. Having said that, at least it results (after much red-pencilling from other editors) in one new article on a notable subject that we didn't have before. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for teaching me also, about every singer to opera and avoiding answers.com! I keep supplying singers to the project who never sing opera, last Dorothee Mields. When I found a Bach singer who also sang opera I nominated that fact for DYK, Franz Kelch, to be 95 this year, no PR involved. Unfortunately the only source for him I found in English reads like a machine translation. Any help in that case? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My god, plagiarizing the prof's own book -- that's sadly funny -- the very definition of clueless. I would suggest she switch majors. I know what you mean about bulk of submissions coming from PR types. (It's one of the reasons I refrain from offering copyright violators much opportunity to license the source website -- the promotional text couldn't be used anyway.) But, occasionally, unexpectedly, when the stars align just so... you'll come across a true angler among the crowd of daytrippers. When is that next blue moon anyway? — CactusWriter | ^needles 19:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Assistance Please

Hello Voceditenore. Would you please check my user talk page? Some time ago you were assisting me in the creation of a new page, ".Gabriel". As you requested, I posted my request on that page but haven't heard from you. I understand you are very busy but would really appreciate your help. Thank you!TF537 (talk) 21:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Please see edit request. In the meantime, you can use put the alt in the image parameter. e.g. |image=[[File:example.png|200px|alt=Example alt text]] Racepacket (talk) 21:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Image_alt parameter has been added to {{Infobox play}} Racepacket (talk) 22:16, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Thanks so much! I'll add it to La Tosca. I used your "get-around" for the book infobox at I Love Bacon!. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:06, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Coming of Age (BBC TV series)

I would question why the BBC are allowed to vandalise the page and put blatant propaganda on there suggesting that the response to the programme was mixed in some way, when in fact it was universally appalling. Every time real and referenced reviews are put up, they are taken down by some BBC apparatchik dickhead. Why are they not censored? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.176.103 (talk) 18:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This has nothing to do with "real and referenced reviews" being taken down. You deliberately inserted false and in several cases defamatory content about living people in multiple articles related to this show, as well adding as your personal commentary disguised to make it look as if it were a quote referenced from a reliable source, e.g. [2], [3], [4], [5]. You are going to get your IP, aka Oxford University, blocked if you keep it up. Voceditenore (talk) 18:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Travesti/Victorian burlesque

Tim just did a nice job expanding the Victorian burlesque article. Does anything need to be added back and forth between this and the Travesti article that you are working on? Just a thought. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think of the current merge proposal at Burlesque (literature)? I wonder if merging it into the poorly-written Burlesque article will destroy any value (or chance at expansion) that it may have. Your comments would be valued at Talk:Burlesque. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, V. You may find this article of interest: http://www.jstor.org/pss/3826405 -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:20, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Steve. I'm going to file this away for when I next add to Travesti. I've still got a bit to do re the ballet sections. But I never seem to get the time. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keto and Kote

Many thanks for re-establishing this article. During copy-edit driving I found the previous version a complete copy-and-paste violation from inception; I was the one who tagged for deletion. I have to say your succinct but elegant stub is superb, and should be set as an example of “how to do it”’. I have a tendency to reduce faulty articles to the brusque and barren, so I will log your Keto and Kote as a guiding light. In admiration. Acabashi (talk) 03:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Castrato parts

Hehe :) Moreschi (talk) 17:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Above comment is in response to this. Voceditenore (talk) 14:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Burlesque

Thanks for watching the dead links. It's a big shame that the PeoplePlayUK site went down, as it had a huge amount of info for Victorian articles. I think that most of the content migrated somewhere, but I'm not sure where. Any idea? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the only dead link was PeoplePlayUK. The other 2 were spam/copyvio. Anyhow, the Theatre Museum's contents are now held by the Victoria & Albert. See the V & A's Theatre and Performance collections page. If you search the V & A collections, the online objects generally come with a lot of informative text in addition to the image. See this, for example. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Carmen

I have finished my work on this. The peer review threw up some interesting suggestions, many of which have been absorbed into the article. It is now at FAC (please take a look), and I am working on improving and extending the discography subarticle. I have not done anything with the "adaptations" which were removed from the older version of the article, and it may be a while before I can get to deciding what should be done here. Brianboulton (talk) 18:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations on getting it to FA, Brian! I'm going to be away for the next 2 weeks and wouldn't be able to help with an "adaptations" page anyway. One of the advantages of page like that is to keep all sorts of minor (and often very trivial) distractions out of the main article. A popular work like this is particularly prone to that kind of stuff, often added "drive-by" without references or context. But let's see how it goes. There may not be a need for an "adaptations", at least in the near future. By the way, can you get the Carmen Filmography link to work? I can't and have tried multiple times. :/ Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will continue improving the discography article as time permits. In due course I'll open a rudimentary "adaptations" article for the purpose you describe; it won't be long before the trivia merchants start tampering with the main article. It went through the FAC process so smoothly and swiftly that I can't help an uneasy feeling that something important got missed. Brianboulton (talk) 15:38, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Smithsonian updates website!

Hi Voceditenore! The Smithsonian Institution Archives took notice of your finding about Clara Hasse's death date and will be updating their records, website and Flickr! The changes should take place tomorrow. So thanks for the great find! Sarah (talk) 14:23, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. It's nice to see that the traffic between Wikipedia and its sources goes both ways. Last year I got the Encyclopedic Discography of Victor Recordings at UCSB to change a glaring error on their database which found while I was researching Stanislao Gastaldon. In the process, I discovered another and even more whopping error in New Grove Dictionary of Opera which had been propagated all over the internet, but that's Grove's problem. OK, now I'm off to give the Harvard library system a nudge over this. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tobias

Apologies if this is in the wrong place (finding out how to contribute to Wikipedia is a very steep learning curve and I've only just learnt Joomla, brain hurting!). Huge thanks for the rewriting and reformatting of the article on Dove's Tobias and the Angel. I'd only just discovered it was there and found it was so incomplete and inaccurate it needed some serious input. Having been in the project from the very beginning I felt I had the authority to write on it, and did post some material from my website - hadn't realised this seems to count as conflict of interest. But it certainly doesn't violate copyright which presumably belongs to me, and I'd like to be able to insert a photo of the Birmingham production, would this be allowed? I'd be very grateful if you had time to help me on this. Kate Quartano Brown (talk) 15:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Little favour

A while back I did some work de-fluffing Richard Gombrich. I think it still needs some more, but I have a little learning to the most dangerous degree and can't really see the wood for the trees. I'm pretty sure the structure is still hagiographic. May I ask if you could do a quick brisk hacking back of the undergrowth? Am pretty sure that the list of publications goes way beyond the notable, too. Amuse yourself by reading how it looked five years ago almost-instinct 12:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks

I'm grateful for your clear explanation and kind welcome on my first interaction with Wikipedia. The format here is slightly intimidating and I'm wary of breaking taboos or upsetting anyone so your breakdown and reassurance was greatly appreciated. :-)

SonnySonnyWilliamson (talk) 11:27, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Giovanna Gray

DYK gong archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to say, nice job on the Giovanna Gray article. Going to the old, foreign language sources is something not everyone can do, and it makes a big difference. David.thompson.esq (talk) 13:01, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, David. I had a lot fun writing that. Most of the articles I write tend to be of this type, e.g., Cristina, regina di Svezia, Mala Pasqua!, Stanislao Gastaldon, Andrea Salvadori, Eugenia Tadolini. I figure that for the really famous composers, operas, singers, etc. there are plenty of online sources, but for these, the only place people will be able to find detailed information, in English, and free of charge is Wikipedia. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:07, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Image

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ggb2004008982/resource/

What do you think of this image, which also covers an opera singer without photo? Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 21:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's OK, but I'd never use it for Lillian Grenville. The one of her alone will be much better for that article. It's also a much more arresting image than this rather stilted duo. But this one would be good for Gustave Huberdeau and Natoma (kills 2 birds with one stone for that article). Voceditenore (talk) 17:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some more possibilities for articles and future articles with no images:

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.00006/ for Eleonora de Cisneros

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ggb2004000007/ Josephine Jacoby (Met contralto)

The Bain collection is very badly annotated, I'm just plowing slowly through all the images and clicking on ones that likely to be opera singers. I may find some more...

Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Any idea which Stephano the Jacoby is? Niklausse is almost certainly Tales of Hoffmann, but I'm not sure off-hand about a Stephano trousers role. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 19:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I assume Roméo et Juliette she sang it many times at the Met at around the time that picture was taken [6], and her career was almost entirely at the Met. Voceditenore (talk) 19:20, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thought that would've been too high for her, since Wikipedia labels it as a soprano part. If she sang it, though, it's probably that. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 19:58, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Met lists her as a mezzo-soprano (rather than contralto), and the role is frequently sung and recorded by mezzos, e.g. Kristine Jepson, Susan Graham, etc. Voceditenore (talk) 10:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rosine Stoltz

Some time ago, you started the article on Rosine Stoltz. There is now a discussion about the date of her death. I wonder if you could consult your original sources and let us know. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Replied at Talk:Rosine Stoltz. Voceditenore (talk) 13:32, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notre-Dame de Clignancourt

A most pleasing new article. I'll add the church to my itinerary for a vaguely-planned, Fauré-themed wander round Paris. Don't bother to reply to this: I just wanted to express my appreciation. – Tim riley (talk) 19:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Di Fiorino et al.

Ciao Voce. I hope this finds you well. Our paths once again cross in Mario Di Fiorino, and I notice your work in Gruppo del Rosario. There is a connection between Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry, the closely connected, newly created bios Maria Luisa Figueira and Mario Di Fiorino, as well as edits made by the same users in e.g. Davide Lazzeretti, Leonetto Amadei, Ganser syndrome, and Mind control. I reverted in Leonetto Amadei, and left a note on the editor's page, and subsequently tried to add info from the .it article Leonetto Amadei. (It appears that the Italian Leonette Amadei has had additions similar to the ones made to the English.) The English version has had the same material re-added. I restored an older version of Davide Lazzeretti. I have raised attention about this pattern (WP:COATRACK?) on WikiProject Medicine and WikiProject Psycholog, alas, not to much avail. Maybe it is something you would like to look into? Best, Sam Sailor ^Sing 21:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sam, hmmm, yes, I've noticed this interesting little can of worms. On the Italian WP, some of their stuff has been deleted outright, e.g. Mario di Fiorino, Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry and Psichiatria e Territorio (also founded by Di Fiorino) or reverted in existing articles, e.g. Leonetto Amadei, Davide Lazzeretti. Often, however, a "new" editor pops up to re-add the stuff, as happens here. The editors also use the same arguments they use here: "It's in the Italian/English Wikipedia so it's ok".

Several of the SPAs active here have been blocked for sockpuppetry at the Italian WP [7], [8], [9]. I'm not sure if they're sock or meat puppets, but without getting into outing, Google searches on their user names reveal that all are from the Pisa/Forte dei Marmi/Viareggio area. A couple are students of Di Fiorino or his colleagues, one works for a hotel in Forte dei Marmi and helps organize functions for Di Fiorino's symposia, two have co-authored articles with Di Fiorino, one appears to be Di Fiorino himself, etc. etc. I would say that just about every red-linked contributor since August to the articles you've cited is in some way connected to Di Fiorino and all their contributions here need checking. Some of them have extensively edited psychology/psychiatry articles in addition to the ones you've mentioned. Note also this sandbox. There's obviously more to come.

Anyhow, here's my take on some of the articles:

Maria Luisa Figueira passes, seems reasonably notable.
Mario Di Fiorino probably just scrapes but I'm going to wield the red pencil extensively there.
I'm going to stub Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry and probably redirect it later to Di Fiorino
Suggest we keep a watch on Leonetto Amadei, clearly being used as a coatrack and needs excising and building up. He's definitely notable.
Ditto Davide Lazzeretti.

If we meet resistance from the "consortium" of Tuscan editors, then we take 'em to WP:COI/N. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 22:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Beautiful to see the logic you apply when investigating, I learned a lot. Thanks! Best, Sam Sailor ^Sing 00:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Want me to do {{cite books}} in the Publications section of Mario Di Fiorino? Best, Sam Sailor ^Sing 09:36, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Caldara +

Thank you for the Caldara opera, here's another: La concordia de' pianeti [10], --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gerda. You're welcome :). I've added quite a bit more to it now. Apparently, Tito e Berenice was part of contest! I might do La concordia once the German performance actually takes place. In the meantime, I'll be working on creating the other two Operas of the Month, by papa Scarlatti and his son. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. After I closed my shop completely (see my talk, - I kept the ironing lady) I suddenly feel very busy with a man whose boss is the pope and a painter stub, not mentioning the GA nom for Chéreau. Did you see that I mention singing as occupation in my own (bzzt, unspeakable)? (Derived from "Singen, singen" in the Christmas Story by Schütz). In choir, we will concentrate on Schütz and Rutter, Magnificat by both, I hope I will get in the mood until July / October / November. Certainly not if we keep losing a great editor every week, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

taps microphone

Is it safe to come back....? almost-instinct 15:48, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yep :) Great to see you, A-I! I miss those happy hours we spent de-pufferizing articles. I had to whack this one all by myself. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:56, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mmmm maybe not so safe after all.... almost-instinct 13:43, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, you mean below? I think you'll be OK

. I only mention it if I'm specifically asked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:09, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's not you I'm worried about ;) almost-instinct 11:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Schoen-René

Hi voceditenore. I just read some interesting articles on this lady and thought you might enjoy penning an article on her. Here are some potential sources:

Best wishes.4meter4 (talk) 02:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! She sounds like quite a character, 4meter4. I'm sort of up to my eyeballs at the moment, but I'll keep this here to remind me to get 'round to it eventually, if someone else doesn't first. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:44, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sharon Ruchman

Thanks for your recent cleanup/removing promotional/un-encyclopedic information from Sharon Ruchman. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:27, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David. I'm away until the end of April, but I'm rather minded to PROD it or take it to AfD. But I'll need to do a little research first. I had a look at the talk page of the reviewer who had accepted it. Dear Oh Dear. :) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:05, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Hey, thanks. Some of the articles on Gluck's major operas need more work, but I'm probably not going to touch them until next year. I thought I'd produce a bunch of stubs on the Baroque and minor Classical works then add to them bit by bit. I noticed you discovered the Gluck Gesamtausgabe online, a very useful find. Some of the information is very interesting. For example, I don't think there can be many operas where the entire cast was made up of archduchesses and the work was conducted by a future emperor.

BTW I think La danza (Gluck) is beyond start-class, at least C. There's not much you can really say about an opera Julian Rushton dismisses as "a slight work". The Penguin Guide to Opera on CD doesn't even bother trying to give synopsis, saying there is "no plot or development whatsoever." Having read the libretto, I can sympathise with that! Cheers.--Folantin (talk) 10:32, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Article on Leela Bordia

Hi

I have made some further inputs to the said Article on Leela Bordia. Please have a look at it and give me your suggestions on whether i am on the right path and plz guide regarding corrections if any, since i am just a beginner.

Regards

The iWriter ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by The iWriter (talk • contribs) 12:51, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, The iWriter. I assume you mean the draft User:The iWriter/sandbox? I'll have a look at it later today or tomorrow. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 13:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Voceditenore

Yes plz and thanks

```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by The iWriter (talk • contribs) 13:09, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ada Cherry Kearton

You may remember doing some work on Ada Cherry Kearton. I thought you would like to now that the BBC now link to it, from http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/desert-island-discs/castaway/06c4739d#p009y95q - Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Andy. Thanks for letting me know. By the way, I haven't forgotten about David Ward, I've just been a bit busy with other stuff. I hope to get to it in the New Year. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Message from Lisaby

Hello Voceditenore. You may remember me from the Alessandra Marianelli bio.

I'd like to create one now for Sylvia Schwartz.

The main problem with my first attempt was that I didn't know how to evaluate the various sources of information I found. You considered many that I proposed as inadequate.

For Sylvia Schwartz, could I send you a list of the sources I've found (not their contents), so that you could tell me which to exclude?

Many thanks for all you do for Opera on Wikipedia,

Lisaby 18:29, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Lisaby. Many apologies for this late reply! I suggest that you list your proposed sources at User:Lisaby/Sylvia Schwartz. I'm about to be travelling for the next two weeks. But I will definitely have a look when I get back. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:40, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Verismo & Puccini

Hi, I did a fairly extensive rewrite of the Verismo (music) page, following up on our discussions on the talk page there almost 2 years (!) ago. I think it could still use some more quality citations, but I wondered if you'd provide any other suggestions. I left the section on verismo singers pretty much alone, although it is not well cited and I have some doubts about what it is saying. Also, I've been chipping away at the Puccini page, and would welcome suggestions there. Specifically, in terms of structure. The Puccini article has a chronological account of his works, followed by about 5 or 6 sections that address some aspect of his life non-chronologically. I can't help but wonder if it wouldn't be better to integrate this material into the main chronology, as in the Verdi page, but that would require a very substantial rewrite. Thoughts? David.thompson.esq (talk) 00:29, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David. Sorry for my tardy reply. I got quite sidetracked this past month, mainly by my runaway librettist. I'm about to be travelling for the next two weeks. Will definitely have a look when I get back. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:30, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Upon your return

Tranche 1

Draft:Howard Williams (conductor). Found this source particularly amusing. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 00:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Accepted by another editor and rightly so, but it's a bit of a mess format-wise. Voceditenore (talk) 10:39, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:Willie Thomas (jazz trumpeter). FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 19:49, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He could probably make it. I've added a couple of refs to it. Voceditenore (talk) 12:11, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Anu Komsi. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 14:38, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmmm. Seems to have been deleted at creator's request, but I think she is a reasonably notable singer. Voceditenore (talk) 12:11, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:Michel Sogny. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 22:00, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- This one is clearly notable. It should not have been rejected, but cleaned up slightly to remove puffery and fix the English. There were already enough refs to establish notability. I've added yet another + authority control. If I were you I'd move it to article space. Voceditenore (talk) 12:11, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:David Blair McClosky (1902-1988). FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 20:23, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I think this guy passes with the refs I've added. Voceditenore (talk) 16:14, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:Daniel Kharitonov. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 20:26, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd say he passes but it needs better refs. There are a lot in the Russian press [11] + there is a lot of stuff in his article on Russian Wikipedia [12] which interestingly hasn't been updated to include the Tchaikovsky Competition
Draft:Okkyung Lee. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 11:38, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I've added four refs to substantial coverage. She's also been broadcast on Ö1 (very notable Austrian radio station) [13]. A niche artist/genre but a notable one. I'd pass it. Voceditenore (talk) 08:05, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:DANG PHU VINH. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 01:52, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Don't think I'd pass this one. He's basically a high school music teacher, and latterly a teacher in the Conservatory of Ho Chi Minh City. Not really enough to pass WP:MUSICBIO. There may be coverage of him in the Vietnamese-language press, but I kind of doubt it. Note also there's some very inappropriate BLP speculation, which suggests that hard facts about his life and career are not available. Voceditenore (talk) 08:12, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi FoCuS! I'm starting on these with the oldest first. Will try to get to the rest of this tranche in a couple of days. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:11, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Me again, FoCuS! I've finished this tranche. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:12, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tranche 2

Tranche 3

Tranche 4

Tranche 5

On another note, can't believe Piano Concerto No. 1 (Chopin) is such a poor article, considering it's one of the most played romantic pieces of all time. I'll see if I can do something about that. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 18:59, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi FoCuS! I haven't forgotten you :). I'll start plowing through the list tomorrow. I'll add my comments beneath each one in the list but won't ping each time unless you want me to. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, Voce, I appreciate it! I'll pop by every other day. Cheers, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 18:09, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just accepted Chamber Symphony No. 5 (Milhaud) and Little Symphony No. 4 (Milhaud). They're in need of copy editing. I added the Milhaud template at the bottom. Cheers, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 20:04, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi FoCuS! I haven't forgotten you. I've just been really busy both on- and off- Wiki. I'll try to get to some of these next week. In the meantime, you might want to drop a note at WikiProject Classical music re the Milhaud articles. Someone there may be willing to give them a polish. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:49, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, is Karen Holvik truly notable? I was thinking of nominating the article for deletion due to lack of coverage about her. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 15:45, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hi FoCuS! It was sent to AfD and kept back in 2005. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen Holvik. The article is lousy and the notability is very marginal. I might have a go at cleaning it up and seeing what sort of independent referencing I can find. Might be worth holding off on this one. She may have some significant recordings. Voceditenore (talk) 10:37, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Íride Martínez

Hello, Thank you very much for updating the talk page of Draft:Íride Martínez. I would like to ask for advise on article review. Would you know where I could ask to have the article reviewed to see if it can be moved to the mainspace. Your help with this would be greatly appreciated.Besenok (talk) 19:26, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Besenok. I'm abroad at the moment with not terribly good internet access. But I'll try to review the draft when I get back in September, if I don't manage it before then. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 06:18, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Small World

Dear VdiT, Tonight, as I was suggesting to my brother that he join Wikipedia, I thought to show him the Butter Rebellion article that my daughter had written. Because I hadn't visited it in years, I checked the history, and who should I run into but your gracious self? I nearly fell off my chair. Thank you for protecting its integrity!

Thank you also for helping my Berklee students again this semester. Those who solicited your help were more than amply rewarded, and we were very grateful.

Best wishes to you for a happy Christmas and a joyous New Year. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 02:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IJ! That's a real blast from the past—it was 2007 when I stumbled onto it—and an amazing coincidence. Happy Holidays to you too and all your family, especially your daughter. Voceditenore (talk) 19:47, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

New Year's Greetings

Dear VdiT, Thank you for your kind season's greetings to my students and me. You were a great help to the Berklee students last fall, particularly through the grace that you demonstrated when you wrote to the deleting editors. We'll strive to bring this year's user pages more in line with Wikipedia policies.

Speaking of which, both Longy and Berklee will participate this spring. May I recommend you to them?

My daughter Caroline loved the connection that we three have made.

All best wishes in the New Year. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 21:43, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on your talk page [14]. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:53, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Saffo

Hi Voceditenore. Following your latest edit at the article Saffo, and considering that most sources classify the role of Saffo as a soprano part, I've tried to have a quick check on the voice type of this role. Should you be interested, I edited the result at the Italian article. BTW, despite being originally performed by a bass, the role of Ippia is stated to be a tenor part by Dizionario dell'Opera and, in fact, it is notated in the tenor clef in the manuscript score available at IMSLP. Cheers.--Jeanambr (talk) 06:08, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jeanambr. Sorry for the late answer. The trouble with that article and many of the earlier ones written here is that they are very poorly referenced—no inline citations. So it's impossible to tell what the actual source of any of the assertions is. The Almanacco Amadeus source seems to be the one originally used to expand the role table [15], although the editor disregarded the classification of Saffo as a mezzo in that source and kept the "soprano" that was already there. I suggest perhaps picking a source, like the Dizionario dell'Opera, make the role table consistent with that, and reference it with an inline citation. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:46, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree: it's much the same as I did in the Italian article. Cheers.--Jeanambr (talk) 17:15, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Das öde Haus

Voceditenore, given your love for the story I thought you might be interested in creating an article on the 1817 novel by E. T. A. Hoffmann. See it:La casa disabitata and de:Das öde Haus. Not sure if there is any connection between the story of the novel and the story of Princess Amalie of Saxony's opera. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:36, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 4meter4. No, there's no connection, despite the Italian WP article title. The standard English title for Hoffmann's short story is "The Deserted House". It's a spooky Gothic tale set in Berlin—not quite Princess Amalie's cup of tea. But... it's kind of fascinating in its own right. I think I'll give it a go. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:58, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Did you know nominations/La casa disabitata

I took the liberty of nominating this for DYK. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:12, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Shame on you! Just joking . Looks like it went OK, although as usual the article is now peppered with citations after virtually every sentence. Geesh! Kind of the opposite extreme from Saffo (see above). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:51, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Gerda :). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:48, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Do you speak French? There's so much more on Antigone in French, and costumes by Coco Chanel would make a lovely DYK hook ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gerda. I can read French, but generally tend to make a fool of myself when I try to speak it . The French WP article is quite good. I might have a go at expanding the English one a little later on. But generally when I do that, I don't translate. I write the stuff from scratch and use my own sources. It generally works out a lot better that way. The sources listed in the English article have a lot of material for expanding it, although as per usual with these early articles (mine included!), it is currently completely devoid of inline citations. Voceditenore (talk) 11:26, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It has an inline citation now. I will try a bit more, and good when you come in a little later, to avoid edit conflicts. I didn't plan to translate word by word (nor could I, my French is only for menu reading), but to get some main ideas. It will be linked from the Main page in half an hour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:31, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He composed theatrical music (incidental, film and the dramatic psalm) already before his first opera, not really "in addition" ;) - He composed another oratorio later which we could mention if we stay with "addition". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gerda. I assumed that was clear, but I've rephrased to make it more obvious. I've also fixed what you had put originally as: Inspiring operas of the 1920s were for example Hindemith's Cardillac and Alban Berg's Wozzeck. I had assumed that the assertion came from the reference you used, but it seems to have come from the French WP article. However, that's not what the French WP article said. It said that other 1920s operas like Cardillac and Wozzeck were also inspired by works from the past. As for Honneger's other oratorio, no I wouldn't add it unless it's directly relevant to Antigone. Otherwise, it's just padding. Le roi David is relevant because it was the reason why Honneger had earlier fallen out with Cocteau. Voceditenore (talk) 14:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, all makes sense, and we talked about my lack of French before ;) - I think what you achieved is presentable, and people missing something are free to add. I think a plot section would make only sense if Cocteau deviated substantially from Sophocles, - which I can't tell. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. There's more to be said about how Cocteau adapted the play for the libretto as well as the performance history. I'll see what I can do there. By the way, I'm not familiar with the kind of refencing format you used on Simone Ballard, but with the 30em parameter added, it breaks up one reference over two columns. Since there are only two references, I removed it. Voceditenore (talk) 14:35, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Swoon" was pictured here! About the same "era", - small world. I didn't notice then, because of the piped link. Have Bach music "on" today, DYK? All Puccini operas have an infobox now, no battle. (Beethoven was different.) Mozart next? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:55, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Orfeas (Judge Smith album)

Regarding this edit of yours, I'm curious to find out why you would decide that Orfeas is not an opera. In the Wikipedia article about operas an opera is defined as "an art form in which singers and musicians perform a dramatic work combining text (libretto) and musical score, usually in a theatrical setting". Did you decide to rule Orfeas out simply because it was never performed in a theatrical setting (until now, that is), or do you have other considerations? Thanks in advance. Mark in wiki (talk) 17:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mark. Has it been performed in a theatrical setting, i.e., live in an opera house or concert hall? It appears to be a concept album (although Judge Smith says he doesn't like the term), which is not the same as an opera. Not every piece of "narrative music" (as he calls it) is an opera. The closest thing Orfeas comes to is a song cycle like Winterreise, but even then the musical idiom is quite different and does not use classically trained voices. In fact, I'm also going to remove Hadestown from that list. I've added Orfeas to Template:Orpheus and Eurydice, however. Voceditenore (talk) 18:05, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A Barnstar For You

		All-Around Amazing Barnstar
		I can't find a barnstar that works well that you don't already have, but no one has given this to you in a few years. This is in part for your work on Isaiah Richardson Jr. and related comments on its talk page the the BLPN. Judging by your work there and your astounding history on Wikipedia, you more than deserve this minor recognition. I hope we cross paths again! Best wishes. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:42, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why thank you, EvergreenFir—you're very kind! You found the trunk in my virtual attic containing the stelle? I'd tucked them away from all but the very enterprising

. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I did indeed. :) Was trying to find one you hadn't received yet, but alas... EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 07:54, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you for having answered me on the Teahouse and Yeah I am planning to use the Template on other articles, but I fear that they will not accept my edits.Luke de paul (talk) 13:12, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How to rectify errors -marie banu

HI,

Let me clarify a few points. I am a novice and this is my first attempt in posting an article in Wiki. i tried creating an account in the name of the person i wanted to publish, then to avoid issues related with COI - i created an account webmasterscsim - this is because i wanted marie banu and csim to be linked in the user name. later to avoid confusion i created a neutral id webmasterssocial - you can note that all these were created from the same IP address.

2. i am not the webmaster for csim. i checked the site and learn that © web site developed by arjun aria - it is one person by name Senthil who is based in Bangalore who is maintaining the CSIM site.

3. i have blocked the domain name mariebanu.com as i had some free accounts.

4. after the content in wikipedia is signed off, i intend to write to her and ask her approval to publish her site. i have been handling several social work sites like: http://maathiyosi.in/; http://nlcharity.org/; http://shapecharity.

5. Marie Banu was handling all communications related to the Oxfam International tsunami programme in India. hence the international report - India section - has been authored by her. You will not find bylines for any of the content in the reports Photographs are acknowledged seperately as an Oxfam Policy.

Please let me know if you have any more queries.

Regards, John — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webmasterssocial (talk • contribs) 06:20, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Webmasterssocial (John). I am quite sure you didn't mean to violate policies with your user names. It's a misunderstanding that happens to a lot of new users. Now that you have a new name which is much more suitable, make sure that you do edit again under either of the previous two names. As for the article, I have no doubt that Ms. Banu wrote those articles. But that isn't the problem. We require sources about the subject, not ones written by them to establish whether they meet the criteria for inclusion—what Wikipedia calls "notability". You'll find the criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (people). It's a long page, but well worth reading all the way through. I think you were done a disservice by having your draft accepted before it was ready, i.e. before it had sufficient independent sources to establish notability. What will probably happen now is that the article will be moved to draft space where you can continue to work on it until it is ready for article space. You can follow that discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marie Banu. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 07:20, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for responding. Please pardon my ignorance. Would be glad if the page is approved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webmasterssocial (talk • contribs) 09:56, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Help with my first new page

Thanks--I'll take your advice on the FireKing stub-of-a-stub. I will expand it as I get time. Someone (you?) added a number of additional links to information which I'll attempt to incorporate. My primary intent for putting it up was to get opinions as to it's worthiness for inclusion. Thanks for the encouragement. This is my first non-minor edit to WP so I'll probably make some faux pas about which I will welcome advice and correction from you and other experienced editors. TBoaN (talk) 03:36, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TBoaN! Yes 'twas I who added the refs. I couldn't resist. Have fun with it, take your time, and if you need any help just give e shout. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:40, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:PhantomMeep

Hi, just some friendly advice. Your edit summary on this page ("you may not remove active block notices") is not correct. A blocked user may not remove declines in response to an unblock request, but they can remove block notices. That said, your edit was fine because the user didn't simply remove the notice - they vandalized it, and that of course they cannot do.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:49, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks Bbb23. That's good to know. I was also going to add to the edit summary "and don't refactor other editors' comments", but given that I had previously deleted one of his own comments from the page which subsequently had to be suppressed, I chickened out. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:14, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Horowitz

I found this obit on baton maker Richard Horowitz fascinating and thought you might too. He was also the person who worked the longest for the Met according to Opera News; serving for many years a principal timpanist. Thought you might enjoy crafting an article. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:39, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant, 4meter4! Another one for me to squirrel away. It would be fun to do an article on him. Voceditenore (talk) 18:47, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks, Voceditenore, for your gracious message. Having been on medical leave since the end of January, I'm sadly not sure who took over my courses. By September, though, I intend to be back at the helm, pointing new classes in your direction. Here's hoping that you enjoy your April break. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 15:25, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Impact

Prompted by the nice image of the singing sisters on top of the project talk, which I now also included in the article, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Gerda :) Voceditenore (talk) 15:24, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yesterday I was pointed at the section about biographical infoboxes in the project guidelines, - which I never looked at ;) - It reads a bit dated, no? I applied {{infobox person}} to many of "my" bios, without any problems, doing so more often for others also now that persondata is deprecated, - data of death and birth are no disinfo, - besides, there's Wikipedia:Disinfoboxes: a refutation (by RexxS, 2014), enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, guidelines are simply that. Everyone is free to ignore them and I ignore them myself. I add {{infobox person}} to all of the bios I create now, unless they're very short. Sometimes I even add them to articles I haven't created

. I've not come across any biographical articles of the many on my watchlist where the box has been removed because of those old guidelines, although it may happen occasionally. And, assuming you're referring to Talk:Maria Radner#Yea or Nah to Infobox, it all worked out fine. Anyhow, I'm certainly not about to start stirring up the inevitable hornet's nest and bad feeling about it, either by unilaterally changing the guidelines or starting the inevitable sinkhole discussion about changing them. People are gradually accepting them (infoboxes), and if they are missing from some articles, just leave it be. The more they are argued over and pushed for, the more entrenched people become. Voceditenore (talk) 17:07, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You guessed right, I came from Maria Radner. Next time the question comes up I'll point here, the secret guidelines with common sense ;) - Leave it be when missing: I now look before adding, - Orfeo ed Euridice is close to my heart, but I looked at the contributors and left it without. What I don't take well is removals, - I say something then but I hope not in a pushing way. - Rossini this weekend! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:34, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Karel Mark Chichon

I just saw your (very justified) message on the Karel Mark Chichon talk page to past malefactors, after I totally rewrote the page just now. Perhaps we can both keep an eye on it. Cheers, DJRafe (talk) 23:34, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DJRafe. Good job on cleaning it up after the latest ministrations by the malefactors. I've still got it on my watchlist and have left some replies to your queries at Talk:Karel Mark Chichon. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:15, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kind note about KMC's page. I might wait a bit for some major news about KMC in the future, and then I can clean things up a bit on the whole Sinopoli and Gergiev issue. BTW, on a side note: what's the best way to go about requesting that a page be deleted? I'm thinking of 2015 Leeds International Piano Competition, because there's no other page devoted to any other year of the Leeds competition. I thought that there was a page to submit suggestions, but for the life of me I can't find it. Cheers, DJRafe (talk) 17:45, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sirs, my name is Linda Molnarova (yes, I am still using the login of my predecessor) and I am an assistant to Maestro Karel Mark Chichon. Mo Chichon would greatly appreciate if you could please leave our updates unchanged. we understand that Wikipedia is an open source format for general information only, but most of the people do not realize this and so the wikipedia page creates part of his public image. In particular he would like to point out some nonfactual information such as "In March 2015, the orchestra announced that Chichon is to conclude his DRP tenure at the end of the 2016-2017 season". It was not the orchestra who made the announcement but Mo Chichon. Also you have removed the names and dates of birth of his both daughters, which Mo Chichon would love to have there. The same applies on Elina Garanca's wikipedia page. On behalf of Maestro Karel Mark Chichon, I would like to kindly ask you for your cooperation otherwise they will be forced to take further action and I am not responsible for the consequences. Thank you for your understanding. Kind regards, Linda Molnarova

Hi

I think we were reasonably responsive to each other in the two AfDs - I think you did great work saving those two articles (one by completely rewriting it and refocusing it). I also feel like you added a lot of unnecessary friction with the "COI phobia" stuff. Believe me I wrote many draft responses to you that responded to that and commented on you and your motivations, but I deleted every one of them before I saved it, and simply responded on the content matters. The essence of CIVIL is not writing or doing stuff that creates unnecessary interpersonal friction so we can all focus on getting work done.

If you think I am overly zealous about COI stuff I would be happy to discuss that on your Talk page or mine, but please don't insert that rhetoric into Talk page discussions about content. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 19:47, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you are talking about my remarks at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valley Roadrunner. They were addressed to all four editors there !voting "Delete" on that basis alone and/or not doing even a minimal amount of BEFORE—not simply you. Discussing the merits of the deletion rationale and the quality of the evidence for it is highly relevant at an AfD. I have no idea if you are over-zealous about deleting COI articles in general, I don't think I've encountered you in more than one or two previous AfDs. If you find that my remarks caused "unnecessary friction" with you, I will happily re-word the argument in future AfDs, but not its essence. Voceditenore (talk) 11:42, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Singer

Just came across Gina Sanders while reviewing edits. I was about to nominate it for deletion, but I'd rather hear your thoughts first. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 02:06, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi FoCuS! I'd definitely !vote "Delete" at an AfD. I can't find any evidence that she satisfies either WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO and I looked very hard. You could try "Prodding" it first to save us a lot of trouble and palaver an an AfD. In the meantime, I've tagged it for multiple issues. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:50, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Voce! PRODed, will let you know if it goes to AfD. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 12:33, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hoax article

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_%26_Martinus

I don't know how to give you a direct link. This whole article is derogatory and false. Any advice on how to tackle it would help

Cheers, Anonymous — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.171.27.50 (talk) 08:19, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How bizarre! I've reverted the article to its pre-vandalism state and made a report to Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents to get more eyes on it. Voceditenore (talk) 09:01, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can't believe that 'leafybeefy' was accepted as a legit recording label by so many editors 122.171.27.50 (talk) 11:44, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't so much accepted as missed. That often happen when there is rapid-fire vandalism by multiple IPs and accounts. Anyhow, the article has now been protected for 24 hours from editing by IPs and new accounts. I'll keep an eye on it and if they return after it expires, I'll ask for longer protection. Voceditenore (talk) 12:46, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

NPP / AfC

Hi. Just a reminder that in just over a week at Wikimania there's going to be a cross-Wiki discussion about the systems of control of new pages. This is a round-table rather than a presentation or a lecture. On the agenda are reforms to the new article reviewing systems and ways to help new users better understand our content policies. If you are going to Italy and would like to take part, please check out the conference schedule, and I look forward to seeing you there. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:54, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request for article creation (from COI editor)

Thanks Voceditenore for all of your diligent work over the years. I worked with you at my previous employer to recommend some article changes, and you were extremely candid and helpful. Now I have a PR colleague at my current employer who wants to request the creation of an article for our organization, and she's looking for help to do it while complying with the COI guidelines. I work for USF Health, the partnership of health colleges/schools and the physicians group for the University of South Florida, and while most of the individual colleges/schools have Wikipedia pages, the parent organization does not. Our peers (University of Florida Health for example) do have Wikipedia pages for their health organizations, and my colleague has written a well-sourced article (in journalistic style and including internal-Wikipedia links) that she would like to submit for consideration. The Wikipedia article creation wizard specifically says not to create articles about our own organization, so she hasn't submitted it there.

Would you be willing to review my colleague's draft article, and if you think that it merits inclusion, suggesting how we could get an independent version created on Wikipedia? We fully expect that you (or any Wikipedia editor) would use your own editorial discretion and edit the article to your standards as you see fit. Respectfully, TampaEditor (talk) 14:32, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TampaEditor. Yes I remember you from Talk:Stetson University College of Law. I assume you are referring to this USF umbrella organization/enterprise. I don't think this should be a separate article and I doubt very much if there's enough independent coverage (not press releases) to justify one. I think it's already adequately covered at University of South Florida#USF Health, with perhaps just a slight scope for expansion. I could then make USF Health as a redirect page to that section. I also have to say that both University of South Florida and University of South Florida College of Medicine are horrendously promotional in their current state. They both read like brochures, especially the latter which consists solely of material taken from USF websites, and by "taken", I mean literally. You know, stuff like...

CAMLS is a 90,000 square foot, state-of-the-art, three-story facility with every possible form of health professional education and training, for individuals and teams, under one roof. CAMLS integrates simulation technology, aviation science, team training, and evidence-based best practice into innovative programs with measurable outcomes.

I suggest your colleague create an account and then put the draft in her own sandbox, not on her user page. To create her own sandbox, she should log in and the click the"Sandbox" link at the very top of the page, next to her user name). Since this would be paid editing in her part, she'll also have to follow the procedure at Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Let me know when she's done all that. I'll have a look at her draft there and give an honest assessment of what parts could appropriately be added to the existing section in University of South Florida, if any. Alternatively, she could use the article wizard, and at the end Wikipedia:Article wizard/Ready for submission, click on the top option "create new article draft". With that option, it will be independently reviewed by volunteers and if appropriate, will be moved to the article namespace. That option was specifically designed for COI editors. My own view, however, is that it is highly unlikely that it would be ever be accepted. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 17:03, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More COI

An artist wrote about himself, David Stern, - I told m a few things but would like your eyes on also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gerda. I've left a notice on the article's talk page about the copyvio—it was a straight paste from his website. I've also left a note on the user's talk page and will keep both on watch. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:20, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher Adler (lyricist)

Nice work there! And thus one thing leads to another ... and another few hours go down the wiki-sink. But it's fun. PamD 09:32, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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 :Hi [[User:DJRafe|DJRafe]]. Good job on cleaning it up after the latest ministrations by the malefactors. I've still got it on my watchlist and have left some replies to your queries at [[Talk:Karel Mark Chichon]]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore#top|talk]]) 13:15, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 :: Thanks for the kind note about KMC's page.  I might wait a bit for some major news about KMC in the future, and then I can clean things up a bit on the whole Sinopoli and Gergiev issue.  BTW, on a side note: what's the best way to go about requesting that a page be deleted?  I'm thinking of [[2015 Leeds International Piano Competition]], because there's no other page devoted to any other year of the Leeds competition.  I thought that there was a page to submit suggestions, but for the life of me I can't find it.  Cheers, [[User:DJRafe|DJRafe]] ([[User talk:DJRafe|talk]]) 17:45, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
+Dear Sirs, my name is Linda Molnarova (yes, I am still using the login of my predecessor) and I am an assistant to Maestro Karel Mark Chichon. Mo Chichon would greatly appreciate if you could please leave our updates unchanged. we understand that Wikipedia is an open source format for general information only, but most of the people do not realize this and so the wikipedia page creates part of his public image.
+In particular he would like to point out some nonfactual information such as "In March 2015, the orchestra announced that Chichon is to conclude his DRP tenure at the end of the 2016-2017 season". It was not the orchestra who made the announcement but Mo Chichon. Also you have removed the names and dates of birth of his both daughters, which Mo Chichon would love to have there. The same applies on Elina Garanca's wikipedia page. On behalf of Maestro Karel Mark Chichon, I would like to kindly ask you for your cooperation otherwise they will be forced to take further action and I am not responsible for the consequences. Thank you for your understanding. Kind regards, Linda Molnarova
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