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January 11

Image quality problem

I have used Wikipedia for a good while but have rarely worked with images. Today I uploaded an image and placed it in the article Nigel Payne. On the image upload page, the image looks exactly like it does on the source site, but in the linked article the image is too big and blurry. I can't figure out how to resize it and couldn't find anything in help. Help here? SmartGuy 03:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem lies in the Template:Infobox_Celebrity box. It's designed to display an image at 220px. That's larger than the source image so it gets pixelized when stretched. Can you find a higher res source image? Alternatively, you can copy the template's source code and change the value of 220 px. Mitaphane _talk 03:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Straight away I can't find a higher res image with clear copyright or fair use status. I'll try messing around with the template later, thanks. SmartGuy 03:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Editing section zero

I had modified my profile page, or whatever you call it, so that I had a tab at the top of articles to edit section zero. As of a couple days ago, this tab has dissappeared. Does anyone know why this is? Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 03:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

You could try the updated version at Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Add edit section 0. I assume you are talking about your User:Dismas/monobook.js, I did hear someone complaining about something breaking in their monobook.js a couple of days ago, something to do with a change in MediaWiki somewhere I suppose.--Commander Keane 04:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I meant monobook.js. I couldn't think of the word to save my life... Anyway, I'll try the updated version, thanks! Dismas|^(talk) 05:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

What's wrong with my signature?

I get the "Invalid Raw Signature" error message, but it works properly in the sandbox...

This is the code. Can you please tell me what's wrong with it?

<span style="color:hotpink">'''_{- [[User:Miriam The Bat|Miriam The Bat]]} ^{([[User talk:Miriam The Bat|Talk]])}'''</span style>

Edit: changed it slightly, still doesn't work.

Thank you. Miriam The Bat 04:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

It is <span ...> text </span>, not <span style="..."> text </span style>. The actual tag code is the span part. The style is a parameter within the span tag; as such, when closing tags you always use the tag name, with no parameters. I have debugged your signature code, and it saves in my preferences with no errors. Here is the raw code:

^{[[User:Miriam The Bat|<span style="color:pink">Miriam The Bat</span>]] - [[User talk:Miriam The Bat|<span style="color:hotpink">Talk</span>]]}

Which produces:

^{Miriam The Bat - Talk}

I hope this answers your question. If you have any additional questions feel free to inquire. Have a wonderful day, and happy editing. Kyra_~(talk) 04:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I ended up fixing it myself by changing it to a font tag (I don't know why I didn't think of it first) but now I understand where my mistake was. _{- Miriam The Bat} ^(Talk) 04:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I suggest to you (and, well, everyone) to avoid using the font tag and use CSS in one way or another (the span tag will do) instead. BigNate37_(T) 19:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Report a user

How do I report a user for inspection by someone who may temporarily ban the user?--WhereAmI 06:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

If you are referring to a user who is vandalizing, and they have received the appropriate series of warning templates and have vandalized after the final warning, then you would go to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism and add their name their using the template that is within the comments. So, for example, if user JohnDoe had vandalized after a final warning template, then you would put * {{vandal|JohnDoe}}, and then a short explanation of why you reported them. There are also separate noticeboards for WP:3RR violations, suspected sock puppets, and many more, so be sure to select the one that pertains to your issue. I hope this answers your question fully, and if you have any more questions, you are welcome to ask me or here if you wish. Have a great day, and happy editing. Kyra_~(talk) 07:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

If you find yourself reporting vandals a lot, you might want to know that you can use the shortcut WP:AIV for Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. --ais523 09:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

using LaTeX to create articles.

Hello.

I would like to write some articles for Wikipedia in my field of work, but I have a technical problem of mathematical symbols - I wouldn't like to learn you language of notation. I use Latex in my work. Can I give you a latex text to compile on the cite? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yshtok (talk • contribs) 08:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

• You're in luck. Our formula syntax uses a lot of LaTeX. See Help:Displaying a formula for help on how to format formulas. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Missing article on "Queen's Scout Award"... where did it go?

Searching for "QSA" or "Queen's Scout Award" used to bring up a page detailing the Queen's Scout Award, a Scouting award obtained in the UK and several Commonwealth countries similar to the Eagle Scout award in America.

However I can find no trace of the page anymore. Searching for "QSA" now links to a page called "Quaker Social Action" and searching for "Queen's Scout Award" fails.

Where did the "Queen's Scout Award" page go? Can somebody please bring it back?

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.111.188.198 (talk) 11:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

It's still there: Queen's Scout. It's just that Wikipedia's search function is down at the moment. You could help the search function out by creating a redirect, but you would need to create a username in order to do that. --ais523 11:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Next time, use google, and type in "Queen's Scout Award Wikipedia". It's better at finding Wikipedia articles than we are, just that it's usually out of date. | AndonicO ^{Talk | Sign Here} 11:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

"site:en.wikipedia.org Queen's Scout Award" should work even better. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 13:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I found the problem. QSA used to be a redirect to Queen's Scout. Somebody threw in an extra link to Quaker Social Action instead of changing the page to a proper disambiguation page. Later someone thoughtlessly removed the original link. Try searching "QSA" now ;-).Circeus 17:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Mdash in article names?

In the name of article War in Somalia (2006–present) is included an mdash -- that makes problems with printing or storing it locally in other Windows versions than plain US-english. Could one please correct that? --213.155.224.232 12:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I've changed it to a hyphen, and corrected all the double redirects accordingly, per this request (you can't move pages, because you don't have a username). If anyone wants to change it back, I recommend they get an admin to mass-rollback my double-redir-fixes. --ais523 13:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Is there a problem with using m-dashes in article titles? I think just about all of the Canadian Parliamentary constituency articles have m-dashes in their titles. User:Zoe|(talk) 17:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Is there an official WP policy on this? --213.155.224.232 19:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Found it: At WP:MOSDASH is mentioned: Hyphens and dashes are generally rather avoided in page names (e.g., year of birth and death are generally not used in a page name to disambiguate two people with the same name). (...)If hyphens and dashes are needed to write a page name correctly (e.g., Piano-Rag-Music, Jack-in-the-box, Nineteen Eighty-Four), prefer simple hyphens, and avoid hair spaces, even in the odd case of a range forming part of the title, e.g., History of the Soviet Union (1985-1991). --213.155.224.232 20:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Good job finding it, yeah it is an Manual of Style thing. Arjun 20:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, we're going to have to do something about all of the articles at List of Canadian federal electoral districts. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

hi

What is the meaning of computer? What is the four basic components of computer?

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. You might also want to try reading computer. --ais523 12:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• This sounds a lot like a homework question. Try reading the article on computers and then come back if you don't understand something. I'm pretty sure you will find the four basic components in there. I'm not sure what you mean by "the meaning of computer". - Mgm|^(talk) 12:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

You might get better luck by asking the question at the Computing Reference Desk itself. --JDitto 03:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Email obfuscation

I add a picture taken by a friend and I gave their email address without obfuscation it by writing dot for . and at for @. The page with the email address is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RealityCheckpoint.jpg#Summary

I tried to change the email address but now its in the File History section.

Help! how do I get rid of it and save my friend from spam?

Thanks in advance. JP —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joosypigeon (talk • contribs) 13:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

The only way I can think of is to have the file deleted, then reupload it with a different summary. If you add {{db-author}} to the page, an admin will come along and delete it, and you can reupload the file. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 13:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I've tagged it with a customized {{db}} to request its deletion and reuploading. --ais523 13:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Unexplained deletions of posts on discussion pages

Twice now posts have been deleted from discussion pages and the edit history shows that I did it. Neither time did I do anything that should have had this result, at least as far as I know. Is this a common bug in the Wikipedia program or am I making a common mistake? SmithBlue 14:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Most likely, you're going to the page via the history or a diff, and your timing's sufficiently unlucky that you open an old version of the page just after a new one's been saved. As this is the method used to revert an edit, the software removes the previous edit. You then add your comment and save, and apparently nothing is wrong (because reverts can't lead to an edit conflict). In order to stop this happening:

• Use the 'edit this page' button or a section-edit link if you're editing a page, not the (edit) links on a diff, and
• Check for a warning above the edit box that tells you you're reverting (it looks like this:

You are editing an old revision of this page. If you publish it, any changes made since then will be removed. You may wish to edit the current revision instead.

and will be quite obvious on many, but not all, browsers). --ais523 14:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - I'm lucky this is virtual or I think I'd eventually be lynched if I kept up doing things the old way. SmithBlue 14:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Quicky

I'm editing List of United Kingdom locations and some of it's children articles. I have split the Ha-Hh article into two articles, but I need to change the little banner at the top of all these related articles to reflect the new division. I do not know how to do this. --Acewolf359 16:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

If you edit a page with the banner on and scroll right to the bottom of the page (past the box of characters), you'll see a list of all the templates used on that page. You can click on one in the list and edit it from there, and it will change on all the articles that use it. --ais523 17:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

prefix

In the word preserve is pre- a prefix?65.70.71.125

No. It's a derivation of preserve as in to preserve something. For future reference, questions such as this belong in the Reference Desk: the Help Desk is about solving Wiki-related issues. Adrian M. H. 17:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:AN/I programming question

After reading through a post by user JzG,[1] I sudenly wondered; is there a flaw in the way we post at AN/I board? What would happen if someone create another account or posted annonymously purposelly impersonating an administrator? For example, let's take my friend JzG. If I user:CyclePat decided to start a new thread called User is Sockpuppeteering and needs block but impersonated my friend by signing at the end his name. I decided to test the theory by doing the first step and starting a new tread (On my user talk page).[2]

The rest of the comments on this subject can be found on my User talk page. --CyclePat 17:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Impersonation of an admin would have been a serious offence (if you hadn't gone to the trouble to make it clear what you were doing). The signature in itself doesn't cause anything to happen. If a user did maliciously impersonate someone on WP:AN/I, it's likely that someone would notice (because the user who actually made the edit is displayed in history and on watchlists), and the edit would be marked as having a fake signature (more or less like happened on your user talk page). --ais523 17:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Protection

How do I request protection for an article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Saintjimmy777 (talk • contribs) 17:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

Go to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection (WP:RFPP). --ais523 17:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Historic Photos in NA Kew - Copyright Experiences?

Historic Photographs in UN National Archive Kew. Relating to this page & discussion - please see:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cornwall_Railway_viaducts

This well-drafted artcle that is currentluy bare of illustrations, but I know there are exellent ones in the UK NA Kew. Do any editors have experience of using these? Are there likely to be great Copyright difficulties? They are likely to be more than 70 years old, and orginally possibly copyright of the GWR. Now curated by the NA, of course, who will have their own rules.

If there is a possibilty of using them, I am willing to do the legwork.

Goodbye, Dendrotek 17:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Harassment

An inappropriate comment was place in my talk page, most likely by an admin. It was unsigned, and said "Stop being a d***." How do I track down who did this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saintjimmy777 (talk • contribs)

Why do you think it was most likely an admin? Notinasnaid 17:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

You click on the 'history' tab of your talk page, which lists all the editors who have been on that page. The 'diff' links let you see the individual edit. Strangely, you seem to have added the message yourself, probably by mistake, so you're probably safe in deleting it again. Hope that helps! --ais523 17:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry for that. My buddy knows my password to this account. He must've done it as a joke. Thanks for your help.

In that case, I'd recommend changing your password (via Special:Preferences). If more than one person knows a password to an account, it can lead to problems with copyright when it's not certain who made an edit. --ais523 17:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Puerile behaviour reflects badly on you when it looks as if you were responsible, and is not appropriate on Wikipedia (or anywhere else, IMO), so you should certainly change your password and - in this instance - delete that comment. Adrian M. H. 17:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Page protection

How do I go about protecting a page from anonymous vandalism? In particular, this page: Tenderloin, San Francisco, California

An individual regularly attempts to sneak in a link to his commercial website (tenderloin.net). This person inserts the link and then makes other edits to hide his sneakiness. It's sort of a chore to clean up all the time, and I think locking this page for anonymous edits would be a good idea. Please help =)

You want to request semi-protection; the page for protection requests is Wikipedia:Requests for page protection (WP:RFPP). Hope that helps. --ais523 17:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

However, an article won't usually be protected because of only one link. Warn the user by posting {{test3}} or one of the other warning templates, and if it persists contact an admin to have the user temporarly blocked. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 18:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that it's not a user, per se ... just an IP address.

It's hard to get a semi-protection just to stop one user. If he persists, get him banned. Xiner (talk, email) 19:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Alright, it was denied ... but thanks anyway =)

Tenderloin.net is NOT a commercial website. Open your eyes and try reading it before you speak.

Can't colonize a cat

In User:SebastianHelm/watchlist/lk, I have several links like [[‎:Category:War crimes in Sri Lanka]]. I would expect them to show up as normal links, but instead they show up only in the header, as if I had not put a colon in front. What's wrong? (See history for a couple things I tried in vain.) — Sebastian 18:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's weird. Could it have anything to do with the fact that pages in user space act differently? CfD pages contain tons of such links without problems. Xiner (talk, email) 19:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I found the problem: There were some hidden characters before the colons. The way I found it was: I copied the text in notepad, saved, and then it asked me if I wanted to ignore the Unicode characters. When I reopened the file, it showed question marks before the colons for most of the cats, and after the colon for the one cat that was displayed correctly. Not sure what these characters were, though. — Sebastian 21:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Two very different questions..

1) I am under the belief that a wikipedia article on a certain amateur song maker is an autobiography..it isnt written by one but the original creator of the article has the same name as the article. also one of the links is to myspace. anything i can add the article (i couldnt find a tag)?

2) Is there a way to be notified when an article is changed..like one that is often changed so i can see them easily..like an expanded watchlist (which i dont find too useful)

many thanks Fethroesforia 19:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Uncontraversial articles that should be deleted can be tagged with {{prod|reason for deletion}}. Otherwise, you can bring it to WP:AFD. WilyD 19:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

{{Autobiography}} also exists as a maintenance template. If the biography has no assertion of notability at all (as autobiographies often do), {{db-bio}} may be used to tag it for deletion.

I don't really understand 2) - showing when an article has been changed is exactly what the watchlist does. Could you be more specific about what you want? --Sam Blanning^(talk) 19:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

If you want to see every change to some articles, rather than just the most recent, then you could make links to them on a page (possibly a user subpage) and use the 'related changes' function of that page. --Cherry blossom tree 19:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Editing

How do I add a superscript referencing a web page?

If you're asking about how to cite a source after a sentence, have a look at WP:FOOTNOTE. A variety of templates for citing different kinds of sources are also available at Template:Cite. Trebor 21:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

The simple answer is to put your URLs in <ref>...</ref>, but yeah, to be more helpful to other editors, read those pages. Xiner (talk, email) 23:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Nightmare

Hello. I have been working on an article called Portrayal of Women in Comic Books. After making an edit, I found something horrible. If you scroll down on the page, the font size gets smaller and smaller. I do not know how this happened. Your help is desparately needed!!! Maple Leaf 21:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Look for problems like this one

<blockquote>'''Odin:''' "Now rise God of Thunder. In thy heart of hearts, thou knowest godhood was not for one such as she." <ref>”A World Gone Mad”, Journey Into Mystery, Stan Lee, 1965 </blockquote> <ref>”To Become an Immortal”, Thor, p .12, Stan Lee, 1967 </ref>.
Two ref tags, /blockquote inside the reference. Notinasnaid 21:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Erm, isn't writing Women with a capital letter a WP:MOS violation? I think it should've been called Portrayal of women in Comic Books. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
  • So is writing Comic Books. Portrayal of women in comic books is where it should be at. And there it is! Zunaid©® 09:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Signitures

How do I make one of those signitures that can link to my talk page and look diffrent than normal ones? Thanks--ASDFGHJKL 23:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Read this page, but you can always hit the "edit" button and copy the signature you like, then change the names from that person to yours. Xiner (talk, email) 23:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

(after confict):

Have a look at WP:SIG#Customizing_your_signature, basically you just use regular wiki markup like you do when editing, and paste it into the box at Special:Preferences :) — Deon555^talk_desk^{sign here!} 23:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't use images! Arjun 23:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

As of - template or similar?

Is there a template or something to mark facts "as of (date)?"Garrie 23:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be simpler to just state the date and not worry about the formatting problems associated with templates? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xiner (talk • contribs).

I understood (maybe wrongly!) that it's purpose was to help track down time-sensitive facts which may need to be re-confirmed periodically. Hey, if I knew what I was talking about I wouldn't be here!Garrie 23:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Generally, that's only necessary for internet links used as sources. In which case, the reference link at the bottom would just have that info appended to the description. There's no special template for it. Take a look at the Wendy's References section for an example. -- Kesh 01:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I hope that's what I remember seeing... at least you seem to have confirmed, I haven't been doing anything wrong!Garrie 01:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:As of. PrimeHunter 02:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Deleting history

Is there a way to delete my history? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.15.67.23 (talk • contribs).

Generally, admins do not do that. Xiner (talk, email) 23:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Assuming you are talking about the history of an article, this is vary rarely done. See Wikipedia:Oversight. Dar-Ape 23:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Admins however are generally happy if you are the author of a revision to delete just that specific revision. It's similar to oversight, except oversight hides the revision from everyone. Admin-delete-restore hides it from editors only (admins and above can still see it on demand) — Deon555^talk_desk^{sign here!} 23:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

January 12

Problem creating an article

I want to create an article for the Greek organization "The Tabard" - but when I try to create a new page, an edit page for the already existing (but totally unrelated) article for "The Tabard" comes up, since it has the same name.

I was hoping it would lead me to a disambiguation page, or that I might be able to find "The Tabard" as a red link so that I could create the article from an existing link, but I couldn't find one.

How do I create an article entitled "The Tabard" about the organization, without overwriting the existing (unrelated) article?

Create a "The Tabard (Greece)" page or something similar, then place a "See also" disambig link at the top of the current page. If you feel your organization is what most people mean when they use the term, you may want to negotiate a move on their discussion page. Xiner (talk, email) 00:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

What on Earth?

I've got the "new messages" bar despite the fact that they are, in fact, old messages which I have seen several times. I know about clearing the cache (which I have done, both with control+shift+R and manually, through the options menu [I'm running Firefox]) and yet the little orange bar keeps bugging me. What's going on?--69.144.234.146 00:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Are you seeing this on only your talk page, or your watchlist as well? If the former is the case, then it may be a fake banner that has been placed there (check the diffs). Adrian M. H. 21:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

My too. I've got the "new messages" bar, and I've read those messages, AND they're for an IP address that isn't mine! -- 12 January 2007 (UTC) (why isn't this anywhere to copy and paste from?!)

Answering one of my own questions... the IP address that gets logged isn't the IP address of my machine; it's a machine in the same subnet as our router, which appears to be in a completely different xxx.yyy.zzz network. At least, the IP address of my computer aaa.bbb.ccc.nnn, and the IP address two hops up in the traceroute is a machine called router1.example.com, with IP address xxx.yyy.zzz.ppp, where what is getting logged is xxx.yyy.zzz.qqq. Jibber jabber.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.132.187.240 (talk • contribs) 20:08, January 12, 2007

Removal of warning templates

I placed a warning template onto an editor's Talk page earlier today, after the editor made a rather blatant and racist edit to a page. This editor has since removed the warning from their page and, after I reverted & asked them not to do it again, they removed it a second time with no explanation.

I know there's no set policy on this, but is there anything else I should do? Or should I just let it go? -- Kesh 00:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

It would be helpful to know who said user is, but generally you should give them a warning for removing the other warnings (there's a template for it, but I don't remember what it is), and if they continue, report them to Administrators against vandalism. --69.144.234.146 00:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

You may want to watch the user. If it's a one-off, then no harm done. If the person persists, you can ask for AIV then. Xiner (talk, email) 00:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

The warning-removal-warning templates referred to above ({{wr}} etc) were deleted, and there is no real consensus about what to do about warning removals. Plenty of discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Removing warnings and other places. Instead of the warning removal, you should probably focus on subsequent acts of vandalism or policy violation. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 01:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, folks. The user in question doesn't seem to be a rampant vandal, but I'll keep an eye out. The strange thing is that I'm seeing the same racist vandalism from various accounts to this one article (Evil). I'll just check the user's edits periodically. -- Kesh 01:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Up-loaded Ogg Theora video does not run

I have recently joined Widipedia and created an article containing up-loaded .png images and an ogg video clip. However, the video does not run. I can view animations in other articles but they are .gif animations, which are no longer being allowed for up-load (please correct me if I am misinformed). Do I need an ogg-friendly player on my PC to see it run or should the clip run off of an application hosted on the wiki server - that is, is the problem with my syntax, perhaps the file itself or missing software at my end? I have searched all the faq's and related help topics I can find. Thanks for any help you can offer. Tano 01:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

File:Wiki sk8 6.ogg

caption

See Wikipedia:Media help. Yes, you will need to install an OGG video player to actually see the video itself. -- Kesh 03:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Regarding installing an ogg player (mplayer for example) - when I go to the mplayer website they say that you should be in a developer environment with compilers and other development tools loaded on your computer in order to install their player. I am not one of these (the ogg file that I am working with was converted from an avi by a helpful friend). These are not user-friendly installations and so, I submit, the vast majority of Wikipedia users will not have access to ogg animations as they browse articles. Does this concern wikipedians? Can you confirm that gif animations are no longer permitted (except grandfathered ones) or up-loadable to Wikipedia? Tano 15:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Try VLC media player which runs on most systems.Geni 15:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the recommendation - I will certainly try it. Tano 20:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Tracking an IP

There's a user who persistently removes speedy delete tags, recently another user whose only contrib is to remove the warning appeared, likely sockpuppet, but I want to track the ip to make sure. Is there a way to do so? DoomsDay349 01:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

If it's a registered user, you have to file a complaint and a steward will be able to do a lookup. If it's an anon IP, your only recourse is to get it banned through something like WP:AIV. Xiner (talk, email) 01:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Argh... well 99% chance that it's a sockpuppet, so I don't think I have much to worry about. DoomsDay349 01:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Not a steward, a checkuser. Also you could request a check here if you should ever need to in the future. Prodego ^talk 02:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

debugger

how do I delete the debugger?

What debugger are you referring to? -- Kesh 02:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Signitures...Again

Sorry, but I used the pages that I was given and everything went smoothly. I put it onto my prefrences and it looks like this with it as my signiture.

• --''[[User: ASDFGHJKL|ASDFGHJKL=[[User talk:ASDFGHJKL|Greatest Person Ever]]+[[Special:Contributions/ASDFGHJKL|Coolest Person Ever]]'']] 02:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

But when I just paste paste the signiture somewere, it looks like it should, like this

• ASDFGHJKL=Greatest Person Ever+Coolest Person Ever

Thank you. ASDFGHJKL 21:00 (EST), 1\11\07

Did you check the box that says "Use raw signature"? Xiner (talk, email) 02:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Nope, I didn't think of that. Thank you. --ASDFGHJKL=Greatest Person Ever+Coolest Person Ever 02:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

That is the most POV signature I've ever seen. ;) -- Kesh 03:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Article written like advertisement, but other editors blocking tag and personally attacking rather than fixing

The Learjet 35/36 article is written as a list of personal specs on the plane. The article's editors admist that this is so, however the article is not titled "List of spec of Learjet 35/36," but rather has pretentions of being an article about the jet. I tagged it with a "this article reads like an advertisement" tag, as it does. However, this tag was removed and a group of editors contacted each other and are currently pretty much ganging up on me to keep the tag off the page. I would like the tag replaced, so that someone who understand the general purpose use of Wikipedia and knows about Learjet 35/36s, or someone willing to do the proper research, will rewrite the article to better fit the Wikipedia intentions. I have put specific comments on the talk page. I tagged it, it was reverted, I explained my reasons and asked for the tag to be replaced, instead I am being attacked. What am I supposed to do now, admit defeat and allow a list of jargon-laden specs written for potential buyers of the airplane to pass for an article? Advice would be appreciated. KP Botany 03:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Which part of the article do you believe reads as an advertisement? -- Kesh 04:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

The whole article was an advertisement, although it's being changed, but not particularly well. One editor admitted it was simply a list of specs, not an article, another who is more experienced in airplanes than I am (I'm not) admitted that it simply looked like it had been copied from the Learjet site. So, that it's an advertisement is not at issue, what's at issue is that instead of being corrected, discussing corrections, dicussiong the issue, the article, the talk page has turned into a special uses page for taking potshots at me for having the gall to tag the article. Now I'm accused, essentially, of acting in bad faith by tagging the article to begin with. If tags are meant to be placed on articles that need attention from editors, maybe someone could warn us new folks around here that they shouldn't be used, and delete them from all the Wikipedia articles? I believe the tag should stay up until the article reads like an article, and other plane articles are just as bad, some worse, and they need tagged and corrected. KP Botany 14:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Without researching the History in-depth, it really depends on when you were adding the tag. Also note that simply listing the specs of, say, an automobile as an entire article does not constitute said article reading as an advertisement. If the article contained phrases such as "the Flumph 250 Roadster's innovative automatic handling sytem offers smooth cornering," that would be 'reading as an advertisement'. If it simply says, "the Flumph 250 Roadster includes an automatic handling adjustment system, which improve cornering over normal shock absorbers alone," that would just be a statement which needs citation.

As it stands, the article doesn't need the tag now. There's a couple statements that need reworded and/or citations, but the tag would be inappropriate. It may be that you re-added the tag after someone made the effort of removing the advertising-like phrases, and they objected to that. -- Kesh 21:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I didn't, I replaced it before hand. And that still isn't the point. KP Botany 22:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Skip it, it's a jargon-laden completely unusable article written as a technical specifications brochure, but that appears to be what Wikipedia wants. KP Botany 22:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Christian magazine deleted by professed atheist.

An article on a very important magazine contributing to Christian living and discussion - WHOLE Magazine - was deleted by professing atheist.

There was sufficient information and logic to support the inclusion of the article. I have done some investigation of my own. Other magazines similar in circulation, premier and notability have been submitted without controversy. The difference in the magazines is in the content.

How will this issue be handled? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lillietrotter (talk • contribs).

It appears to have been deleted three times by three different admins. If you disagree with the deletion, and can make a strong case for it indeed being a notable publication, and not a conflict of interest (i.e. you are not yourself personally involved in the magazine), I suggest taking it to Deletion Review. By the way, the deletion reasons given had nothing to do with the religious belief of the deletor -- please be cautious about making ad hominem assumptions. Hope this helps, Antandrus (talk) 04:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Where do Templates come from?

If I want to question the content of or suggest a change to a template, where would I go to do that? Specifically the Template:Biome includes Riparian as an Aquatic biome, but I believe it is more properly a Terrestrial biome. Also, I think the template could be improved by listing the various Biomes in order (according to whatever scheme) rather than the present (what appears to me to be) random order. Thanks! -- Newbie Mpwrmnt 06:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Go to Template:Biome and you will be able to discuess this on the template's discussion page - or just make the changes yourself. --Kainaw ^(talk) 06:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Ha! That was easy! Thanks! ~ Mpwrmnt 08:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Subject / headlines on Talk Pages (or the lack thereof)

I have noticed that if you are the first person to make a comment on a Talk Page, the instructions say to just type in the box below, etc. But if you do that, your comment will not have a Subject / headline (unless you manually enter it with the ==x== function). However if, instead of following the instructions, you simply click on the + next to edit this page, the Subject/headline box automatically appears! So I guess my suggestion (and I don't know where else to propose it, hence I come to the lovely people on the Help Desk!) is that "we" either change the instructions to tell people to click on the + next to edit this page, rather than just typing in the box below, OR change the format of the page, so that it automatically includes a Subject/headline box. I KNOW that can be done, because when you click on Click here to ask your question about using Wikipedia, as I just did, the page that comes up DOES have a Subject/headline box! As always, thanks for your help! ~Newbie Mpwrmnt 07:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Userpage

How to set up a user page?

• Create an account, log in, click the top left-most link and edit like you would any other page, keeping in mind Wikipedia:User page. I recommend you don't start one until you've committed some time to the project, otherwise your setting up a userpage might be seen as an attempt to use Wikipedia as a free webhost which is forbidden by WP:NOT. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

study in finland

i want to study in finland

Good luck, have fun. Viridae^Talk 09:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Bit chilly, but the people are nice. Adrian M. H. 21:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Latest IT trends

Hi

How can I come to know about the latest trends using Wiki? How are the topics covered? for ex. if my search goes for programming, how would wiki help to me to access the latest developments goin on?

Thanks

Shekhar

(Deleted; not a request for help) Xiner (talk, email) 15:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

help

an HouseOfScandal are having a dispute over Party and Play he keeps on gutting my edits, not letting me change any wording, he says im "fucking up the article" and he removed content w/o using edit summaries very well.qrc2006/email 13:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Civility could help a lot here; I've posted at both user talk pages. -- Natalya 13:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Turning parts of the same string into both an external and internal link

Hello,

I'm new to editing and have run into a funny little gotcha which is probably something I'm:

(a) Not supposed to be able to do; or
(b) Too stupid to figure out.

In a new article I'm busy creating, I'd like to have the following text:

RFC 2832

That's easy enough. But now, I'd like for (only) the "RFC" part of that text to be an internal link to the existing Wikipedia article called "Request for Comments", and at the same time, for the whole string ("RFC 2832") to be an external link pointing to http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2832.html.

Hope this makes sense. If so, what do you suggest the best way would be to handle this? I'd really like to link to both the "RFC" part, so the reader can understand what an RFC is, as well as to the whole string, which is a page that exists outside of Wikipedia, but I don't think just duplicating the same thing is the best (and hopefully, only) course of action.

Thanks for your help!

P.S. I've noticed, upon previewing before I save this, that "RFC 2832" is automatically turned into an external link, pointing to http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2832, interestingly enough. How does that work?

Xhantar 14:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Your request would look like this: [[Request for Comments|RFC]] [http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2832.html 2832], which looks like this: RFC 2832. (There's no way to express in HTML the linking of the word RFC to two different places, and anyway it's not clear what would happen if you clicked on it if it could be linked like that, so it's linked internally and the 2382 to be linked externally). As for the automatic external link, some strings set off the code like that; the best-known example is probably something like ISBN 01-234-5678-9 (I just made that one up, it's probably not a real book). --ais523 14:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, ais523. That makes perfect sense.

You've also inadvertently answered another question (they just don't stop coming, do they!) when I looked at the markup of your reply: How to include a "code sample" on a page, using <nowiki>.

<nowiki><nowiki></nowiki>...hmm, this is fun! :P

Cheers, have a great day. --Xhantar 15:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Template "link"

In an edit I saw this added at the end of the article: {{Link FA|zh}}, just above the interwiki links (here). I've tried in vain to figure out what it does. Any clues? Notinasnaid 14:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

It triggers a bit of coding in MediaWiki:Monobook.css that causes the bullet on the zh interwiki link to change into a star instead. --ais523 14:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It's now blindingly obvious that my problem was looking at Template:Link rather than Template:Link FA. Notinasnaid 14:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

help finding an article

About a month ago, I saw part of an article (while doing a search not on wilkipedia) about someone who stopped by the Erinsville General Store for some pulled pork sandwiches. I tried to read the article but had to get an account first. After a few failed attempts for some reason we could not get an account. I decided to revisit that article today...I set up n acount with no problems but cannot find that article. It is driving me nuts; I have to find out what the rest of the article says. You see, I am the owner of the store in the article and would love to see comments. Is there any way to locate this article?? Thanks for your help

That sounds a bit non-encyclopedic. The only reference I find is Erinsville, Ontario [3]. Look in the article's history. Perhaps the bit's been reverted? Xiner (talk, email) 15:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

theatre origination

(Directing questioner to correct forum. Xiner (talk, email) 15:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

Sarah Dash article

Hi -

You put a box on top stating that there were no references for the article. I added sources, but I can't get rid of that box that says "This article lacks references."

Can you help? Thanks.

Hi. Please see the history for that page for my response. Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 16:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Changing a Title - Move function

I cannot find the 'move' button to edit the title on the United States Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology page. Please help.

Thanks!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mgherty (talk • contribs) 16:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Your account is too new to move pages. The "move" button should appear in two days or so. Until then, you may request moves here. Happy editing, Kusma (討論) 16:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

To be precise, you'll become 'autoconfirmed' (and therefore able to rename pages and edit semiprotected pages) at 18:48, 14 January 2007. --ais523 16:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

New article

Hello, i'm new here and i would like to write a new article, but i don't were to do it. I'll hope you could help me. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamila513 (talk • contribs)

You'll probably want to read Wikipedia:Your first article for some general tips, and then Help:Starting a new page. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 17:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

When you get to the specifics of writing a good article, if you happen upon any users that have specialist knowledge in your chosen subject, you might like to ask for help on their talk page. I'm sure they'll be glad to assist you. Also have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject to see if there are any relevant WikiProjects where you could find assistance or collaboration. Adrian M. H. 21:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Tanarus

I created this article for the computer game Tanarus [4] If I search for "Tanarus" it redirects me to this page [5] Should I put a link on the 2nd link to the article I wrote like is done here [6] ? Or do something else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcpdad (talk • contribs)

Yep, that's exactly what you should do. If you want more information, you can read about disambiguation top links. Let me know if you need any help, or have any questions. -- Natalya 18:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

How do I center a text?

I'm writing a userbox and would like to have the text centred. Been searching but can't find a code for that. How do I do it? Thanks Crazy Murdoc 19:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

The good old HTML code <center>...</center> will do. Xiner (talk, email) 19:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks man, that worked...Crazy Murdoc 19:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

John Vanderleest

The fact that the article on John Vanderleest was erased is ridiculous. I demand that it is brought back, for the fact that it is all true.

Please go to Wikipedia:Deletion review. Thank you. Xiner (talk, email) 20:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

"True" it may have been - having not seen it, I can't comment on that - but was it notable and well sourced? No-one can simply "demand" that an article be reinstated. Adrian M. H. 21:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

• "John was first elected to his dual position when he was only 9 years old" sounds quite hoaxy. To give it a chance of of being undeleted, you need a source to back that up. Otherwise the article isn't verifiable. If you can verify, I find that quite notable, but other opinions may vary. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
• For reference, the AfD is here. Looks pretty clear-cut to me. -- Kesh 01:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

How do i make propostion on wikipedia

Is there a discussion page wich is dedicated to propositions to improve wikipedia? Z E U S 20:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

State it here. Someone will direct you to the relevant place. Xiner (talk, email) 20:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I was willing to make the proposal that , since english is the most edited language , it would be approriate to synchronise the english language with all the other languages. This can simply be done by indicating with a banner in the discusion page that this article could need some syncronisation with other languages. This is also true for article that are already present in the other language but that lack the amount of information or isn't updated as much as in the english version of the article for instance. And finally , this proposal is also true for the contrary , articles that are more developed in other languages could get this banner in order to improve the english language if it isnt specified. In that banner itself , a langue ,or more could be specified for synchronising , or even no language could be specified in the case that this article is only in the present language. Assistance with tranduction software is also another way of translation , as long as the user puts attention to the translation and makes sure that the article makes sense. Z E U S 20:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll admit I'm too lazy to search but I've seen templates like that. As for listing pages available in other languages, check out the left column on the page Baiji and the code at the bottom of the page (or Wikipedia:Interlanguage links). Xiner (talk, email) 21:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Right, it sounds like a template would be just the thing for that. It's not automatic but, then again, it shouldn't be. "Better" is a subjective term. So, the template may be worded so that, "(Article) on (language) Wikipedia may have more information. Please help translate this information if you can!" It would, of course, need to be worded in the correct language for that Wikipedia. -- Kesh 21:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I knew it's there; The last one looks good. Xiner (talk, email) 21:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

In this case , can i create another template .Am i allowed to create templates? Z E U S 22:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure can. It's a bit complicated, but you can read up on it at Help:Template. -- Kesh 22:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Page keeps getting deleted - help?

I keep reposting the same topic Re: Pump music as nobody has talked about it, but it keeps getting deleted? Help? Thanks

Please read Wikipedia:Deletion review. Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 21:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

• There's a deletion criterion that allows the deletion of reposted material that was previously deleted. If I had to guess I suspect the problem was verifiability. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Song or single?

Is it ..example (song) or example (single). they are used interchangably, such as Mutter (song), Mutter (single). I know i should probably use the non redirect page but annoys me that theres a link page for songs and the (song) and (single) is used randomly Fethroesforia 22:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

...(song) is the standard title on Wikipedia, and for good reason. A single can later be released on an album, or already be on one. And really, it's a song, right? Xiner (talk, email) 22:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Right:) the one i currently see..is as you say (song) but some..i think Schtiel might be one..where it is (single) for some reason..anyway..thank you :) Fethroesforia 22:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Be bold. When you see that, move it. Xiner (talk, email) 00:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

In fact, Schtiel (single) redirects to Schtiel, which is even better because if there's no confusion that Schtiel refers to a song most of the time, then the simplest name should do. Xiner (talk, email) 00:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Dreamgirls

Good Day,

I am a writer, editor and researcher. I have written many articles. I put a external link in Dreamgirls the film to my blog in which I am the writer/author.

I link has been removed. Why was my link removed? There are external links there from other blogs and even myspace. So why was my external link removed? Would you know? Please response. Thank you very much.. Yes and mines would be considered to be a fan blog and I am a writer. Here are the external links that are there right now and mines was removed.

Official DreamWorks/Paramount Dreamgirls feature film website Dreamgirls at the Internet Movie Database Official Dreamgirls profile at MySpace Dreamgirls reviews at Metacritic Dreamgirls at Rotten Tomatoes Dreamgirls at Box Office Mojo Dreamgirls fan blog Dreamgirls trailers at Apple.com Dreamgirls reviews at Spill.com Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamgirls_%28film%29"—Preceding unsigned comment added by Uniqueinvest (talk • contribs) 18:37, January 12, 2007

Blogs are not considered verifiable sources of information. Of the links you list, the "Dreamgirls fan blog" is the only really objectionable one I see. The rest are either official pages or notable review sites. -- Kesh 00:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Per policy one fan site is allowed. See WP:NOT. I'm not here to discuss which one deserves to be picked, though. The article's talk page may be a better forum for that. Xiner (talk, email) 00:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I had overlooked that in WP:NOT. Thanks! -- Kesh 00:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

January 13

Image Uploading

I've never uploaded an image before, and I want to upload this for an article I've written. Can someone tell me what licenses I'd have to put on it? It's located here. Thank you. DoomsDay349 03:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Is anyone there? Has anyone been monitering the page for the last couple of hours? There's been no response...DoomsDay349 03:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Your comment was posted less than an hour ago. Be patient! A lot of Europeans are in bed by now, and Americans are either going to bed or just off work and having dinner.

For the technical details on how to upload an image, see Help:Image. As for the licenses, it has to be freely available, but I don't have a link handy. I'll keep looking. -- Kesh 04:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Heh, sorry. Has it only been that long? I guess I'm used to faster replies. That's what you get for spoiling me! :) I was creating a really boring article in the meantime, endless bibliographing, if it's any excuse. I know how to upload it, but I'm unsure of what to tag it. The subject in question (Nancy Varian Berberick) owns the picture, but I'm not quite sure on the tag. DoomsDay349 04:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Here's an article on Wikimedia Commons, which is where most folks upload their images. Keep in mind that any image uploaded to Commons or Wikipedia itself needs to be either released under a free license (examples given in the article) or have explicit fair-use rationale given. It's always safest to use images released under a free license, so simple permission from the copyright holder won't work. Unless they're willing to release the image with one of the free copyright licenses, you're best off finding another image or creating one of your own. -- Kesh 04:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

So where does this creative commons thing come into play? I noticed some other authors in the same genre are under that tag. God, images are very confusing. DoomsDay349 04:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Creative Commons licenses are some of the free licenses available. Basically, pictures, movies, etc. released under CC are freely available for other people to use. There may be a few restrictions, but Wikipedia wants everything to be as free as possible. -- Kesh 04:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Note that the various versions of {{cc-by}} and {{cc-by-sa}} are the only creative commons licenses considered free enough for upload to Wikipedia without a Fair Use rationale. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 06:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I've contacted the author and am awaiting response. DoomsDay349 04:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Linsang

Is there anyway of requesting a picture for a page and if so how? TeePee-20.7 03:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Best thing to do is to post the request on the article's Talk page. The trouble is going to be finding a freely available one. -- Kesh 03:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by finding a freely available one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeePee-20.7 (talk • contribs) 23:18, January 12, 2007 (UTC)

Basically, the image has to be Public domain or licensed for free use, using things like GNU Free Documentation License, Creative Commons, etc. Basically, whoever created the image has to release it as freely available for anyone else to use. And most stuff on the Internet is not. See Wikimedia Commons for more info. -- Kesh 04:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

So what your saying is if someone does find an image of a site they have to ask the owner of the site or whoever posted for permission to use it?, like they can't copy and paste. --TeePee-20.7 04:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, basically, see Wikipedia:Image use policy. To request a picture take a look at this template and its talk page. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 04:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! I've been looking for those in all the wrong places. Your link-fu is strong. -- Kesh 04:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Quote: "like they can't copy and paste". I hope you don't actually do that. You're talking about other people's I.P. and in most countries, the law provides for the owners of such material to sue you for misuse. As a website designer, that sort of behaviour really annoys me. It's basically theft. As for Wikipedia; if you upload copyrighted material, Wikipedia becomes jointly liable, and it does not have a pot of money for making settlements. Adrian M. H. 12:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia largest website?

Is Wikipedia the largest website (by virtue of real disk space size and/or number of pages) on the Web? DragonRouge 08:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Since there are sites which use a copy of Wikipedia, and add more stuff from other places, it doesn't seem that this can be possible. In terms of disk space used, I suspect Google may take some beating. Notinasnaid 08:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

can this link be translated from italian to english?

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Aura

ty in advance

benni @ (email removed)) -- 08:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)76.175.253.226

What you might want to do is bring a copy over to Wikipedia as-is and apply the Template:Notenglish template. That will add it to Category:Wikipedia articles needing translation, which will hopefully attract enough attention to get someone working on it. Note that if no one does so within two weeks, the article can be deleted, but it's at least a place to start if you don't speak Italian yourself.

If you do speak some Italian, be bold! Even if your translation is spotty at best, it will at least get the article started on here. You can then put Template:RoughTranslation on there, and see if someone can help fix it. -- Kesh 23:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

conspiracy theories in an article 2nd attempt

I wrote: Someone is using Wiki to put forth his or her conspiracy theories in the article about the federal reserve system of the USA. The person is linking his own biased documents etc. How can I report this / can somebody do something about it?

Answer was: If you are certain that the subject is being put across in a misleading away, be bold and edit the article. If you think that might be controversial, post on the talk page first and have a discussion. Or you could post on the user in question's talk page, explaining why you think their documents are biased and should not be used as sources. Trebor 23:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

My answer: I did edit the article but the person always changes it back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.218.153.176 (talk • contribs).

Please see Wikipedia:Resolving disputes. The issue has been brought up on the talk page of the article, see Talk:Federal Reserve System. Discuss it there with other editors and if resolution cannot be obtained follow the steps described on the resolving disputes page. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Moving a Talkpage only

Is it possible to move a talkpage without moving it's corresponding article page? The talkpage at Talk:Linksys iPhone is from when the article was at iPhone and mostly discusses the Apple iPhone. This is because the iPhone article was about the Apple iPhone and then was edited to be about the Linksys one. The previous iPhone article (Linksys ver) has been moved to Linksys iPhone, taking the talk with it. I would like to move the page Talk:Linksys iPhone to Talk:iPhone/Archive but without moving the article. JP Godfrey (Talk to me) 12:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest explaining the situation and that there was considerable discussion, on the talk page of iPhone, with a link to the old talk page. In other words, on the new talk page, state what's happened and have a link to the old talk page. Perhaps there is a template for this? I'm not sure. James086^{Talk | Contribs} 12:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

For the moment, until the naming dispute is resolved, we need to keep the Talk page for the Linksys iPhone with the Linksys iPhone page. Also, those discussions were with the article they're linked to now, so moving the whole page probably would be inappropriate. If there's discussions about the (then future) Apple iPhone on that page, it might be worthwhile to do a copy&paste archive into the Apple iPhone article's Talk page. See How to archive a talk page. -- Kesh 23:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

link a e-mail

how can i link a e-mail? --Maestrotaku 14:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

In general, e-mail addresses should not be used in Wikipedia. In what context would you want to use it? Notinasnaid 15:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

how long does it take...?

thank you for the opporotunity to be a part of Wikipedia. I dont know if i am doing everything wright, i tryied to upload images and try again, how long does it take to upload to be aproved for these images? and what if one is too big, will you let me know..? thank you Sincerly Catherine Manna...House of Israel music

There is no approval process (though unsuitable material may be deleted): images once uploaded are immediately available. Yours are there. I do see a some ppssible issues, looking at Image:Proverb maple leaf.jpg. This identifies a source, http://music.download.com/houseofisrael. However, I have visited this page and cannot find the original of this picture to check the copyright. You have also written "fair use", yet the license you have chosen is ", the creator of this work, hereby grant the permission to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License". You will need to clarify this, or the image will be deleted. I we can help you if you explain more about it. Finally, though, it isn't obvious which article you plan to add these images to, since you haven't yet edited any articles. Maybe we can help you with that too. Notinasnaid 18:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

A bot account that isn't a bot?

I worry I am artifically inflating my edit count through mass WikiProject banner tagging and newsletter delivery. Would it be OK to create an account called Devbot, but to edit entirely by hand and AWB? I'm useless with scripts and find it helpful to go through everything personally, as it flags up other issues that need fixing. I don't want to mislead anyone, but I don't want to have hundreds of repetitive contributions either. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 19:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

You would need to read through the guidelines pages (there are more than one) about user accounts and sock puppetry, which I have not been able locate at this time, but you may well be able to create a second user account, as long as you give it a clear description on its user page, outlining what it is and is not used for and why it was created. That way, it should be clear that it is all above board and not an attempt at sock puppetry. If what you want to achieve can be done with a bot, you may be able to enlist the assistance of a bot expert - perhaps place the {{helpme}} template on your talk page. Adrian M. H. 20:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I guess even if it is named a bot name it still counts as a sockpuppet, so I'll mark it as such. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

What you're looking for is Bot policy. Just mark on the "bot" user page that it's not a live bot, but used for automated editing with AWB, then link it back to your own account. -- Kesh 23:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe if it says bot, it should be a bot. But if you have a second account and you mark it as your account for doing those sort of things, I don't think that would violate policy. For one, you're not pretending you're a wholly different person if you stated it on the userpage of the 2nd account. Additionally, if you don't contribute to disputes/votes as the second account, there'd be no real sockpuppetry. .V. (talk) 06:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Doukhobors

I have made revisions to this section, but when I closed it down and went back to access it, the changes disappeared. What do I need to do ensure the changes remain?

PS: How do I log in?

It seems like you are viewing an old version of the page - if you are using Mozilla FireFox, press CONTROL + Reload Button (at top) and you should see your changes appear as they are presently.

To log in, use the "log in/create account" button at the top right hand corner of the screen; of course, you need to create account if you have not already.

For more, see Help:Logging in.

Regards,
Anthonycfc ^{[T • C]} 20:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

how to receive the old Vmf Autosave if i have formated my copyrighted file of the map

hello there is my problem

i have formated my cpu and formated the maps too in my hammer.. so i dont have vmf .. but juste the BSP WITH COPYRIGHT ..

so i want to know if valve can send me the old autosaved files .. because there is online connection to join SDK i think there is too a save programm for all the users ..

or a method to decompile a copyrighted map ..

plz help i need to upgrade my online map !

Sounds like you're wanting to talk to Valve Software. This page is for questions about Wikipedia itself. -- Kesh 23:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Could someone block this user?

Garycocker...he left an obscene message on my tlk page and his edits have been vandalism to pages (usually right-ist political pages) i hope an admin is around to ban this person..(could not find an apporpriate tag to put on his talk page either) Fethroesforia 21:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

List it on WP:AIV. Trebor 21:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Where to go to ask for comments

RfC's are for conflict situations. How about if you just want feeback on a page? Sethie 22:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

In that case, you're looking for Wikipedia:Peer review. -- Kesh 23:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Sethie 23:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• Or Wikipedia:Requests for feedback. - Mgm|^(talk) 16:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Contents Box

I noticed many pages have a "Contents" box. I don't see any info about how to add it. Is it automatically generated" If so, what triggers the generation?

It's automatically generated once you create the fourth section on the page using = symbols. -- Kesh 23:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Section. Two equals signs produces a level two heading (the first that you would use) with an underline, while three equals signs provides a level three heading, which appears in the TOC (Table of Contents) as a sub section. Adrian M. H. 15:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Starting a WikiProject

I would like to know how a WikiProject can be started. I would like to start one for the Sonci the Hedgehog series and articles. GrandMasterGalvatron 22:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikiprojects are essentially user-made. You can read more about how to get started here. -- Kesh 23:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I have seen a console games WP somewhere, which you should fid listed at WP:WikiProject. It might be better to consult its members first, as your subject comes under their remit. Adrian M. H. 15:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Date Error

Looks like we've got a problem with the dates here. The last date header is still just January 10th. Not sure who to notify of this one. -- Kesh 22:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Fixed by hand Cheers Lethaniol 23:57, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Mod Please Delete Article

Some one please delete this article[7] because there is another one.

Have redirected instead -see WP:redirect Cheers Lethaniol 01:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

January 14

wiki links on my userpage

I would like to put a link on my userpage to 'Articles with unsourced statements' and another to 'Help: Contents/links' everything I have tried so far has not worked, and I know someone out there is going to tell me it is easy just do this. Is there a dreaded list of the full names of internal pages and their shortened link titles Many thanks --Matt 01:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You want Category:Articles with unsourced statements for the first. Note that you have to put the ":Category:" part in front. This means the page is in Category space, instead of article space (aka "mainspace"), so it won't show up when folks do a normal search for articles. Same with the latter: Help:Contents/Links is in Help space, so you have to put the "Help:" in front. -- Kesh 01:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Hm. Okay, the category isn't working. I'll have to look into that one. -- Kesh 01:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, not as nice, but this can work in a pinch. I'm still not sure why it's not working in the first spot... -- Kesh 01:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You have to put a colon before the name of the category or you'll include the page in the category instead of providing a link. --Sopoforic 01:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Aha! That's what I forgot. Thanks. -- Kesh 01:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank You Kesh and Soporific got it working now --Matt 01:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Current date!

Hello, I'm working on a WikiProject called Curent Local City Time (WP:CTT) And I'm having trouble with the date at the Ottawa article. The date says the 14th of January, when in fact we are still the 13th. Are there any specific instructions for date and time? --CyclePat 01:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

What date are you referring to? Note your date/time right here. These things are going to show up on UTC, to keep a standard for everyone. And right now, it's the 14th in England, where that standard starts. -- Kesh 01:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I imagine it's the time that he put at the top of the Ottawa article, right under the disambig link. It needs manual updating through a purge though, so I'm not sure that it's a good idea. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 01:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Note: I just removed it. See diff. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 01:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

login won't stick and cookies are enabled etc

I read your article carefully about login problems and still can't get my login to stick.

I signed up, created an account, and was sent an email enabling me to confirm my membership.

I seem to log in successfully using the userid and password. The banner at the top shows me logged in.

But as soon as I go to any page, including returning to the page I hoped to edit, I am told I must be logged in, and the top right area shows the "Sign in / create account" button. Refreshing the page does not help.

I have tried using both FireFox and MS IE 7.

Cookes are enabled on both.

My firewall is ZoneAlarm and en.wikipedia.org is a permitted site, including enabling of mobile code.

I have run out of options in your help files.

Any other ideas on things to try?

Thanks!

What kind of connection are you using? Some folks on satellite connections have problems with this. In any case, try logging in through the secure login link and see if that helps. It's slower, but more stable. -- Kesh 01:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Kesh,

Thanks - I am using HughesNet satellite access. That may be the problem, then.

... a little later - it worked! Using the secure login link kept me logged in and permitted me to edit pages under my login. Thank you very much for the help! This Help Desk works!

How can I get other editors or admins to monitor a discussion?

I feel that another editor is over-reacting to my reversion of a section he added to the Primal Therapy article. I felt it was poorly sourced. I think that my only mistake was to not carefully explain immediately all my reasons for reverting it. Since the editor in question admitted he would be further researching sources I suggested leaving it on the talk page until he had finished that research. I won't take such an easy out in future. In the meantime, it seems that I unleashed the furies and would appreciate it if some less involved people with experience in such matters would monitor the discussion on the article's talk page where I put the reverted section. GrahameKing 05:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You may wish to have a look at WP:RfC and/or Wikipedia:Resolving_disputes - Adrian M. H. 15:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Bar charts and Javascript in article namespace

Is it possible to use js on article pages? If so, would you please point me in the right direction for guidelines. Alternatively, is there an exisiting template for generating bar charts in articles? Thanks you.

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 05:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Image tagging

I have contacted an author about using her photo, and she has sent me one and stated "Feel free to use it on the wiki." It was a photo taken of her by a friend in a coffee shop. Should I put it under creative commons, public domain, or what? Thanks. DoomsDay349 06:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You shouldn't upload it. One, you have to be able to prove that there is permission, and two, even if you can, Wikipedia only permission isn't allowed. It has to be public domain, free licensed, or fair use. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 06:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I can prove there is permission...I can show you the emails. But I understand. Isn't there tagging for images released to Wikipedia? DoomsDay349 06:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, she has explicitly states "I agree to release this photo into the public domain." Now, then, I can show you a record of the conversation if you need proof. Any way to prove this, tell me and I can. DoomsDay349 06:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you need to do more than upload the email conversation. Oral agreements don't work, though. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 16:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It needs to be verifiable, which means the artist needs to release the image under one of the free licenses, and explicitly show that on a website with the image. That way, it's easily shown that the image is legitimately available to use on Wikipedia. Emails won't do. -- Kesh 17:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

David Sekiguchi

David Sekiguchi is one of Japan's latest phenomenons. With his new hit singe "Can you guess" he has become the leading artist as far as record albums are concerned.

Do you have a question? —Keakealani·?·!·@ 07:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thomas Bollinger Photographer

Thomas Bollinger Photographer b. August 3rd 1964, Washington D.C Education Parson's School of Design , The New School for Social Research Dubbed one of the last of the photographic cowboys by a recent critic of his work,

His body of portraits range from Tongan Princesses having tea in the South Pacific to Marine One and The President at the White House. Bollinger's portraits and landscapes grace Fortune 500 collections and private collector's homes worldwide. Pop Artist Peter Max has recently done a series of paintings based on and combined with his portraits. Starting off with a fine art education, years of printing for gallery and museum collections, and combined with his love of adventure travel and ironic satire his work is a rare glimpse of the frenetic heartbeat of contemporary society.

External Link:

[8] Official Site for American Photographer Thomas Bollinger

This page is for asking questions about using Wikipedia. You seem to be in the wrong place. -- Kesh 07:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe not so much about using WP..

Does anyone have any input on a page I'd like to create but I'm not sure about it: Eye Color Generator. See the following: ECG. The current page of ECG on wiki links directly to Calgary Science School Which is only the school that the generator designers attend. I don't think thats the best place to link, but eye color doesn't do either. Any suggestions/comments? Please let me know on My Talk Page, otherwise I probably won't see it, as I'm no good at monitoriing my watchlist. Thanks, Ard0 ^{(Talk - Contribs)} 07:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You probably should not make a page for eye color generator. See WP:WEB for details. Also answered on talk page. --Sopoforic 09:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Category Links

I want to link William D. Francis to Category: Australian botanists How do I do it? thanks--Matt 09:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Just put [[Category:Australian botanists]] at the bottom of the article. --Sopoforic 09:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again I was using the wrong sort of brackets--Matt 09:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Now William D. Francis is appearing in [[Category: Australian botanists]] but under surnames starting with "W"--Matt 09:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You needed to pipe the category link. For reference, this is what I am referring to [[Category:Australian botanists|Francis, William D.]]. Essentially what that does is it sorts the page under the correct letter, which in this case is the first letter of the last name, instead of the default sort action which is the first letter of the article name. Have a wonderful day and happy editing. Kyra_~(talk) 09:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info and repair job, some days are all cruise and other days seem to be full of bumps--Matt 10:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a new way to get pipe sorting by last name done automatically. I think you have to add something to the article page. Here we go: Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2007-01-02/Technology_report: "The default sort key of a page for categories can be changed using the new {{DEFAULTSORT}} magic word. For instance, on George Washington, {{DEFAULTSORT:Washington, George}} would cause a subsequent [[Category:United States presidents]] to be equivalent to [[Category:United States presidents|Washington, George]], not [[Category:United States presidents|George Washington]]. This is especially useful when the article belongs in many categories.(Rob Church, bug 5908, r18629)" - so you can put {{DEFAULTSORT:Francis, William D.}} (anywhere in the article, though putting it with the category tags would make sense) and then categorise away without pipesorting manually for that article. Carcharoth 20:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Summary

How can i get summary on typhoons in Wiipedia?

Since we are an encyclopedia, we have information on many things already written. Please see typhoon. Notinasnaid 09:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

hello

what is the real meaning of a professional nurse all around the world?124.217.69.242 10:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

See the article Nurse. But notice: this is the help desk, which is meant for questions about using wikipedia. Questions seeking information belong at the appropriate reference desk. --Sopoforic 10:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Slow Wiki Navigation

Can someone tell me why my wikipedia navigation has slowed right down, sometimes not responding at all, on external sites it is as fast as ever.--Matt 10:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• More detail the most difficult page to get to is this one --Matt 10:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It isn't slow for me right now, and this page doesn't mention unreasonable slowness. It's possible that there's just a little trouble somewhere between wikipedia and you, which should (hopefully) resolve itself after a few hours. --Sopoforic 11:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Bot

What is a bot? - Patricknoddy 7:52am, January 14, 2007

A bot is a software program designed to do repetitive tasks that are too tedious for humans to do themselves. See WP:BOT for a description of bots on Wikipedia. Cheers, Tangotango (talk) 12:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You can also have a look here – m:Using the python wikipediabot. Regards, — Nearly Headless Nick 12:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

ASTROLOGY

I am interested in studying Vedic Astrology.Looking for Free lessons

You would be better off asking this question at the appropriate section of the Reference desk. The Help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia itself. --Tkynerd 15:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

My Signature

Hi there, I am having a few problems with my signature. When I sign some some wikipedia talk pages my signature is not displaying correctly, it's doing This (I warned this user using vandal proof). On some wikipedia talk pages, I sign with three tildes and it keeps going weird and making some of the date go on to a second line. I used to sign with four tildes but when I made my own advanced signature with help from this user I only had to sign with three and it was fine, but I rcently totally changed my signature so it looks different and ever since then it's been going totally weird. On my User Page its displaying the date in light green even though it displays black on other pages and it generally seems to be a mess and I require help to fix it. It doesn't always go funy though just on certain pages. I hope you can help!. Incase you need it my signature page can be found here and it is subst' on my user preferences, so I am not sure whats going wrong.

Tellyaddict ^Talk 14:33 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Not to be mean or anything, but that is not a very good signature, and goes against the spirit of WP:SIG. The inclusion of a broken <noinclude> tag, in particular, is extremely worrisome. Please stop using this signature immediately; the best signatures are the shortest and plainly coloured ones. There should be no need to include the date/time in your signature; that is what the fourth tilde is for. Thanks, Tangotango (talk) 14:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S.: In short, please create a new signature that will fit into the form at Special:Preferences; that will probably fix all the problems you are facing with your signature. Cheers, Tangotango (talk) 14:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate articles

Hi, don't know the appopriate pages and/or templates here dealing with this to fix it myself. Could someone please have a look at White Spirit and White Spirit (band). The former is the largest of the two, the latter the oldest. Maybe someone with adminbuttons can merge the history? Niels|en talk-nl talk (faster response)| 16:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Any registered editor can initiate a merge proposal, in which some or all of the content from one article is copied into another before the donor article is marked for deletion. See WP:Merge Adrian M. H. 17:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to remember WP:Merge, thanks for the hint. Niels|en talk-nl talk (faster response)| 01:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• I'm having caching problems, but I'm on it. All I need to do is get the history to show the restored edits so I can revert to the correct version. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for solving it, Mgm. Niels|en talk-nl talk (faster response)| 01:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA RSS FEEDS.

I HAVE A VERY FINE RSS READER. I HAVE HAD NO TROUBLE OBTAINING FEEDS FROM OTHER SOURCES. BUT OTHER SOURCES PROVIDE AN ICON I CAN CLICK ON AND OBTAIN AN RSS FEED ADDRESS. ALL I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND ON WIKIPEDIA ARE COMPLETE HTML PAGES WHICH WILL NOT WORK OR I CAN'T MAKE THEM WORK. SURELY SOMEPLACE WITHIN THIS WONDERFUL SYSTEM IS A LISTING OF ALL THE AVAILABLE RSS PROGRAMS AVAILABLE WITH A LITTLE RED ICON MEXT TO EACH ONE THAT I CAN CLICK ON TO OBTAIN THE ADDRESS FROM. I MAINLY WANT THE DAILY PICTURE AND MUSIC FEEDS. YOUR HELP WILL BE VERY MUCH APPRECIALTED. ROBERT ALBRIGHT email removed —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Robert Bruce Albright (talk • contribs) 18:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

Page histories have an RSS link in the monobook (default) skin. Not all pages feed RSS, and that would be the problem you might have. I don't know how your RSS reader works, so I can't help you in that regard. Either way, I would really appreciate it if you didn't yell so much. It's extremely rude and will not get you the best answers. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 19:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• Sorry to intrude, but I have found that some computer users (especially older folks and people from other countries) don't realise that the use of all caps equates with yelling.--Vbd 10:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• Have you visited the WP:RSS page? - Mgm|^(talk) 20:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

edit not showing up

why is my edit in Vancouver, WA arts section not showing up ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.20.108.151 (talk) 19:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

You may want to try clearing your cache - often edits appear delayed because your computer is loading an older version of the page. Also, you may want to check the history of the article to see if anyone has removed your edit and why. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 19:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Tried all that, how can I tell if someone is deleting the entry

Are you asking how to tell whether the entire article was deleted? Try checking the log for that article, if that's the case. It would be really, really helpful if you provided some indication of where you are having the problem, or nobody will be able to understand what your issue is. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 19:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You can always click on the History tab for a page to see what edits were made. Your last edit was removed as advertising spam. diff -- Kesh 19:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Guys, this is the anon user that keeps adding "VANCOUVER COMMUNITY BAND" and a phone number. They have put nothing on Talk, never add a summary, and type always in all caps. I have removed it a few times, and some other patrollers have done likewise. --Bill W. Smith, Jr. 20:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

In that case, the user should probably be warned for spamming. He appears not to realise that what he's doing is against policy, and it does need to be taken care of if it's a problem. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 21:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia HTML?

I have done quite a few edits on here, and have not known what I was really doing! I went to another website, and it asked for HTML codes to edit, after looking on google it appeared to be similar to Wikipedia's editing, so quite simply is this HTML? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.77.147.229 (talk) 19:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

No. There are elements of Wikipedia markup that are the same as HTML, but there are many significant differences. For example, two apostrophes ('') created italics in Wikipedia, but in HTML the code would be <i>Italic Text</i>. While there are certainly similarities, they are not one and the same. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 19:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

While Wikipedia generally supports HTML syntax, in articles one is generally supposed to use the Wikipedia syntax. See Help:Wikitext. Nihiltres 19:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

No, not really. WML (wiki markup language) has some elements of HTML that it recognizes, but it is NOT a full-set implementation of the HTML standards. --Bill W. Smith, Jr. 19:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

moberly department of corrections

can you give me info on whAT the inmates do there and what it looks like and how to get there —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Heathercruz (talk • contribs) 20:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

We don't currently have an article on the facility. Your best bet is to ask this on the Reference Desk. The Help desk is for questions about Wikipedia itself. -- Kesh 20:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

My revert tools don't work

I tried to fix my revert tools, jesus christ if I know what I've done, I've reverted so many damn times I don't know, but now they don't work, nothing on the whole damned monobook works. Help? DoomsDay349 20:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• What was the last time they did work? Was it on another computer or browser? Perhaps the tool just doesn't work with a specific one. If I were you I'd revert to a version with a date I know works before all the changing. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, I blanked the page and readded the only two tools I really use, extra edits buttons and reverting, and when I readded reverting everything worked correctly. I dunno. All is well now. DoomsDay349 20:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Image viewing

I'm almost certainly doing something tremendously dumb here - help would be much appreciated!

I just started a new article at Nappy Brown and uploaded a pic to accompany it. When I preview the article, the picture shows - once saved, the picture didn't show, although it did leave a link which led to the original pic. The image is fair use and nobody has deleted it - what am I doing wrong? --Squeezeweasel^talk 21:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• Seems to be working for me here. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 21:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

That's odd - just tried it on my other machine, and it didn't display...then came back to this machine and it was fine again. Fine on the other one now as well - I shall blame gremlins. Sorry and thanks for looking! --Squeezeweasel^talk 21:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Next time, try purging the page by going to the edit page mode and changing the url so that it reads "&action=purge" instead of "&action=edit" - that usually solves the problem, I find. Nihiltres 21:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Making part of a table header non-bold

I have a table like this, and I would like the "B" to be not bold. Is there any way to write an inverted '''?

{|  class="wikitable"
|-
! A B C
| D E F
|}

Result:

A B C	D E F

Thanks! — Sebastian 22:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll assume, for now, that you don't need the darker grey cell background for that data, which is intended to highlight fields rather than values:

Instead of ! A B C, enter | '''A''' B '''C'''. That will give you a bold A and C. If you do want the darker cell background, enter this:

| bgcolor="#efefef" | '''A''' B '''C'''. If you're pasting from my edit, ignore the nowiki tags. Adrian M. H. 22:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but that's not an option. This is actually for a template, so I have no way to control the surrounding format. — Sebastian 01:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

A B C	D E F

--Kjoonlee 02:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! — Sebastian 02:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a pity that you didn't think to mention that at the beginning... Adrian M. H. 20:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

January 15

Duplicate Entries

Quick question: what should one do when finding articles that are exact duplicates but have different titles? Thanks, Xnuala 00:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

You'll probably want to merge them (see Wikipedia:Merging and moving pages), and have one become a redirect to the other. -- Natalya 00:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!Xnuala 00:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

What should I do if I think an article has been vandalised?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Noisettes&diff=100775168&oldid=100775082

I thought the best thing to do would be to revert it (so I did) and then I came here to ask what to do next, would anyone mind explaining please? ^^ -Painezor 01:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I just took a look at the person's userpage and it appears that the anti-vandal bot has already been to his page once about vandalising the same page. -Painezor 01:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

You can find instructions for warning potential vandals here, basically just add {{testx}} to the users talk page, with x=1 for the first time, x=2 for the second, ect, until you get to test4. Then you can report the vandal at WP:AIV. Prodego ^talk 01:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I reported another vandal who replaced an entire section with ... expletives, and since he had a {{Test-5n}} warning I figured that it was the best idea to put it on the WP:AIV page... did I do right or wrong... hopefully right because I'm scared of what might happen if I did wrong :( -Painezor 02:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Nothing will happen if you do anything wrong, except someone would probably explain your mistake to you. If the test5 was recent, then that was the correct thing to do. Prodego ^talk 02:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for all the questions, but two more just sprang to mind. Firstly, do I have to start at {{test}} or should I start with the blatant vandalism (if the case may be) warnings? Also, the 3 Revert Rule thingy. If I'm reverting blatant vandalism this rule surely shouldn't apply right? -Painezor 02:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

See WP:UTM for choice of template. The choice depends on how much good faith you are prepared to assume - usually as much as possible. WP:3RR explains that it does not apply to blatant vandalism. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 02:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

contacting users

how do i contact users?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Merlot70 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

You can contact them on their talk pages, simply type [[User talk: <Name of user>]] in the search bar, and you will be able to leave a message there, that they will receive. For example, your talk page is located at User talk:Merlot70. Note that this page is public, and everyone can see your message. Prodego ^talk 01:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

If you want to send private messages, some people allow you to send them e-mail messages from Wikipedia. You can check if someone has an "E-mail this user" link on their user page. --Kjoonlee 02:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

How do I delete the "you have a new message" notification?

Hello, I am a sporatic Wikipedia editor and I have received a message. The notification for this message is orange and appears as a band on top of every page that I access. When I click on the message, I am sent through to a link but I have found no where on that link or elsewhere that will enable me to hide this orange band. It is a page about "Talk," or "Wikipedia:Talk." This band is especially pestering as it is from another editor accusing me of vandalizing an article. I would also like to contest such an accusation. As I did edit the page in question, but only to correct a place name (which actually had to do with my high school). Thank you for any help. ~`FrancesCFrancesC

You don't seem to have any messages on your talk page. Are you sure you're logged in when you're receiving this message? Either way, it ought to disappear when you visit your user talk page. --Sopoforic 01:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I am not logged in when it appears, it appears when I just go to Wikipedia. Would a good option be to always be signed in as a user?

Yes, you should just stay signed in, otherwise you'll get messages intended for other users who have the same IP (such as people using the same public computer, or people on the same dial-up ISP that uses dynamic IPs). That's one of the main benefits of making and using an account: it makes it easy for people to contact you while making sure the right person gets the message. --Sopoforic 02:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Medical Disclaimer or Warning

Hi, There is some freakishly biased/outdated medical information on wikipedia. Is there a warning template to place on top of such pages warning readers to seek medical advice elsewhere? (At the risk of underestimating the Wikipedia reader's intelligence.--Hollerbackgril 02:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is in Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer. Wikipedia is not a medical reference, and should not be used as such, regardless of whether the page is superbly accurate, or awful. Prodego ^talk 02:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

As Prodego said. Plus, see Wikipedia:No disclaimer templates for info. --Sopoforic 02:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, exactly what I was looking for. I pity the fool! --Hollerbackgril 02:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Indenting bulleted lists consisting of multiple paragraphs

Hi there,

Let's say I have the following in an article:

Something or another can consist of these two things:

• Blah blah blah, blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah, blah blah, blah.
• A second bulleted item, but consisting of two (or more) paragraphs, which all actually belong under the same (second) bulleted item.

So in other words, this second paragraph also belongs to the second bulleted item, but now its indentation is all screwy and messed up.

And this third paragraph is also supposed to belong to the second bulleted item.

• Blah blah blah, blah blah blah.

My question is, is it possible to also indent the second and third paragraphs of the second bullet item, without turning them into new bullet items?

Thanks in advance for any help.

—Xhantar^Talk 02:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• Foo
• Bar
  Baz
  Quux
• Quuux

--Kjoonlee 02:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I've ended up using <p> instead of <br /> though, as that keeps the spacing in between the paragraphs intact, as well as the indentation. —Xhantar^Talk 03:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you should note that in general prose is preferable to lists. I don't know about your particular situation, but I'd say that if you have a list whose members are paragraphs, it's probably possible to convert it into prose. --Sopoforic 02:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm in the process of wikifying Linux color management, and the section in question was written to expand quite a bit on its mentioned "two approaches" (see the first bullet item).

What is your thoughts in a case such as this? —Xhantar^Talk 03:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't really like the way that section reads, but I'd probably just say something like "one method is to ... foo bar baz" and "An alternative method, which does not modify the video card LUT..." to replace the bullets. Then again, I'm not sure that that'd make it sound much better, so use your own judgment. --Sopoforic 03:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. —Xhantar^Talk 03:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

On the subject of lists (Sorry to hijack this but you just reminded me...). I've noticed that in certain subjects the original writer may put something like "Other magazines in this style are Mad, Sick, and Cracked", whereupon someone else comes along and adds "Also Crazy, and Wacko". A little later some smartarse looks at this and adds seventeen more titles to the list. At this point an individual with a more educated backside decides that he's going to add the number of issues that each magazine ran for to the list...

The result makes for unpleasant reading. Would it not be better by this point to have turned the line into a vertical list? I often think I'll do it, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes or break any rules. Deke42 04:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Responding to Deke42: My own stylistic feeling, FWIW, is that in a case like that -- assuming all that information really does belong at that point in the article -- a list would make more sense than running text. --Tkynerd 04:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, there are times when a list is better. Wikipedia:Embedded list gives some tips on what to do. If information of the sort you mentioned does belong in an article, probably a list or table is more appropriate. But, it's a decision that really needs to be made on a case-by-case basis. If you come across this sort of thing, the best thing to do is to use your best judgment and be bold. After all, if things look worse afterward, we can always change it back. --Sopoforic 07:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Question about WP:REVERT

WP:REVERT says not to revert content dispute edits unless it's vandalism. I've noticed that quite a few users, though (including some administrators) revert immediately when new content is put in or old content rephrased in a way they don't like. This seems to directly contradict the "don'ts" section of the policy. I've sent messages to the users and administrators which I've noticed tend to do this. I've noticed that others have also posted on their talk pages complaining of similar behavior. It doesn't seem to change their actions in the least. I won't name names because I don't want to cause anyone any undue grief, but what can be done about this situation? It's clear they're don't care about the revert policy, but the only solid revert rule seems to be 3RR. Is this the kind of thing that you just "have to put up with"? .V. (talk) 06:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:REVERT is copied from Meta-wiki. Unfortunately, Meta has a strong mindset of "to hell with neutrality", even in help files. Most editors I know do not view reverts so stringently. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 06:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. I always favor discussion on a talk page rather than revert wars. I find it's more polite. So the "unwritten" policy is not to follow WP:REVERT? .V. (talk) 06:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

That particular part, yes. But help pages aren't official policy, anyway. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 06:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. I wonder why it's not an official policy. .V. (talk) 06:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Because it's a technical assistance page providing general, common sense advice, not hard and fast rules.Circeus 06:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have several computer/video game articles on my watchlist. Users frequently add unsourced information, rumours, commentary, nonsense, spammy external links, etc. These things aren't vandalism exactly, but they do damage the article. Having to talk before reverting them would honestly not be helpful at all. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe if it wasn't patently inappropriate (unsourced, speculation, etc.) I've noticed a lot of people using reverts very liberally in content disputes, and that kind of bothers me. .V. (talk) 06:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I hope it at least doesn't surprise. usually, WP:3RR is what you want then.Circeus 06:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Heh, it certainly doesn't surprise at all. .V. (talk) 06:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikiquette certainly allows a single revert of basically anything that's unsourced - beyond that you can become rude, and hit WP:3RR. But talking out every edit that's bad by some editor who's probably not even watching the article? Sounds like a big waste of time. WilyD 18:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

When I first got reverted I read WP:REVERT and agreed with it. Ans so thought that many editors were uncivil at least. Some even go so far as to state "any edit by a new(or unregistered or single issue) user will be reverted on sight unless they discuss it first." I still think such actions are uncivil. However I'd like to know more about what pushes editors to such a position on reverting. Maybe there are very good reasons. And if there are maybe we could find a more civil way to meet those editors needs. SmithBlue 06:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

How to include a diff in a template?

User:SebastianHelm/sandbox/diff is a simple sample template that contains just one parameter. I'd like to pass a diff, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Politics_of_Sri_Lanka&diff=100146801&oldid=97860683, to the template and have it display it as a hyperlink.

The problem seems to be that the equal signs mess the URL up. Of course, I can ask the user to not enter the URL, but <nowiki>URL</nowiki>. But how can I make the template recognize that as a URL and display a hyperlink?

Code is always {{User:SebastianHelm/sandbox/diff|URL}}, where URL varies as follows:

URL	result
http://en.wikipedia.org	Here is the template, which says that http://en.wikipedia.org is the URL. With brackets, it looks like this: [9].
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Politics_of_Sri_Lanka&diff=100146801&oldid=97860683	Here is the template, which says that {{{1}}} is the URL. With brackets, it looks like this: [{{{1}}}].
"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Politics_of_Sri_Lanka&diff=100146801&oldid=97860683"	User:SebastianHelm/sandbox/diff
<nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Politics_of_Sri_Lanka&diff=100146801&oldid=97860683</nowiki>	Here is the template, which says that http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Politics_of_Sri_Lanka&diff=100146801&oldid=97860683 is the URL. With brackets, it looks like this: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Politics_of_Sri_Lanka&diff=100146801&oldid=97860683].

I need this for vandalism templates, so your help really helps Wikipedia in general. Thank you! — Sebastian 08:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

You can also use, for example, {{unblock|1=difflink}}. Luna Santin 11:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Found the solution: Use names, as in User:SebastianHelm/sandbox/diffa. — Sebastian 08:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't know if you're aware, but there is a similar template: {{Wp-diff}}.-NMajdan•talk 16:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Doubled-up page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenshiro Somebody has edited the entry for the Fist of the North Star character Kenshiro to have completely unrelated information about a hip-hop producer also named Kenshiro into it. How would one go about splitting this to remove the unrelated content to its own page? ZaininOmega 12:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• Start a new page at for example Kenshiro (hip-hop) and move the relevant material to the new article, making a note of where it came from in your edit sunmmary. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Moved to Kenshiro (Musician). --Kjoonlee 13:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
• And I moved it to Kenshiro (musician). Make sure you watch your capitalization. Don't use them if the word doesn't require it. - Mgm|^(talk) 14:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

how to get smart while sitting in home

how to get smart while sitting in home —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.125.143.69 (talk) 12:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

• The only way to get smarter is by actually doing something. Sitting alone is not gonna work. Reading Wikipedia, doing puzzles and watching educational documentaries may improve your knowledge, but not your intelligence. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Search links

Pretty new to Wikipedia. Just wrote an article, but when I searched the title of it, it didn't appear, even though I think my article is the only one on that subject. What am I doing wrong?

• You're not reading the VFAQ. ;) It takes time for articles to be indexed by the search engine. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

3rr "Previous version reverted to: VersionTime"

What do I need to do to fill in the "Previous version reverted to: VersionTime" line in the 3rr Admin noticeboard? To put it another way; where do I go to find this information? SmithBlue 13:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

What is meant by that is the original verison of the page that the editor in question kept revering the page to. You will want to provide a link to the diff of this version, which you can find from looking in the edit history (also where you will have to look to show the evidence of four reverts). -- Natalya 13:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

This is at the edge of my tech know how and the instructions on the page are less than explanatory) If the editor did just edit out the offending phrase and not actually "revert" what is the appropriate info to be added in "Previous version reverted to: VersionTime"? SmithBlue 14:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Bar chart template

Is there a template that generates bar or pie charts? I've been unable to find anything in my searches, but this seems like a useful need. Thanks.

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 15:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Ew. That would be a reeealy hard template to code. I might be able to do it, but I recall some reason about server load saying it's a bad idea, and anything I hacked up would look ugly and wouldn't show enough detail. Just upload a picture of a bar chart. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 15:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Could it be generated with the extended ASCII character set? .V. (talk) 16:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It could probably be done with a little creative coding in a standard table. Well, a bar chart at least, not pie chart.--NMajdan•talk 16:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

dixie square mall

why do you keep erasing my posts ?

i am the person who has the sign from the mall , i have pictures video and witnesses to prove it .

i am not a vandal , but appearently you have a problem with posting the truth , you rather print half assed lies and stolen material .

no wonder nobody uses this shit for any real use except to laugh at it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by I have the sign (talk • contribs) 15:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Because this is an encyclopedia, not a blog or MySpace. Even if you had something encyclopedic to add to the article based on your possession of the sign, it would constitute original research, which is not allowed here. Please read WP:NOT. Thanks. And BTW, I'm not the one who reverted your edits; I just try to answer questions here on the Help desk. --Tkynerd 15:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Add de.wikipedia article to en.wikipedia?

Is there a way I can automatically add an existing Wiki German language article of Carl Ludwig Nietzsche to an English version of the same article,which does not exist? Daytrivia 16:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Automatically? No, how would that work? Translation (or at least good translation) can't be done automatically. You're welcome to translate the article and add it to the English Wikipedia, though, if you like. Even if you're not a native speaker of English, you're welcome to do this and add a tag to request cleanup of the language, if you feel the need for that. --Tkynerd 16:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

how do i............

hey how do i make a wiki page. not on wikipedia, but sorta like the homestar wiki or the WoW wiki, except i want to make one for kingdom hearts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lord kame0 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Upload the MediaWiki software to a server. --Wooty Woot? contribs 05:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Admin

How exactly do you become an admin on WikiPedia? Saintjimmy777 17:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Administrators. Friday (talk) 17:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

isnt there a way to drag ur pictures to where u want them on the page...some easy method? i have difficulties shaping the pages so the pictures and the text are in the right spot and i get a nice balanced page design...thanks...user:benjiwolf

You are not making page layouts in Wikipedia, so that wouldn't really apply. Notice how, if you make your browser wider or smaller, or change the text size, everything moves around anyway. So don't put too much time into it, that's the nature of web page design: it isn't like paper. Notinasnaid 19:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Colours in Signatures

How do I add colours to my signature?Sam 18:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Easy enough to do if you know some wiki and html mark-up. Here's an example —

[[User:Sam ov the blue sand|<span style="padding : 1px 3px 1px 3px; border : 2px solid #BFDF9F;background: #660066 ; color: #BFDF9F">'''''Joe Schmoe'''''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Sam ov the blue sand|Say]]}•_{[[Special:Contributions/Sam ov the blue sand|Do]]}

That produces —

Joe Schmoe ^Say•_Do

The code attributes allow you to set font size, type and color, as well as putting background colors and borders around parts of your signature. Placing 5 tildes (~~~~~, not 4) at the end will produce the date/time stamp you want for contributions. If you want, you can go to my preferences and store the code you come up with as your signature so you don't have to copy/paste it everytime you sign something. Just remember to not use images, templates, or external links in your signature — they're not permitted.

Play with the code in a Sandbox and see what you come up with. Learn more about Wikitext markup here. Have fun being creative.

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 20:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Unsure of deletion criteria

I came across Armenian phrases while editing...surely this falls under some deletion criteria, but I'm unsure of what that is. Ideas? DoomsDay349 18:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I've redirected to Armenian language. Tell me if that is correct or not. DoomsDay349 18:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Proverb: Hay Is For Horses And Grass Is Cheaper...

Dear Wikipedia,

I've tried searching WWW for this particular proverb, "Hay is for horses and grass is cheaper."

I can't seem to find anything in regards to this saying origin or its complete content and I've been hearing my children say it a lot.

Can you tell me what does "Hay is for horses and grass is cheaper" mean and where does the saying come from?

Thank you kindly, email removed Cobh, Ireland —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.215.239.142 (talk) 19:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

You'd probably want to ask this on the Reference desk. The Help desk is for questions about Wikipedia itself. -- Kesh 23:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Palm

Is there a palm version of Wikipedia?

Roselyn Feliciano

If, by palm, you mean a PDA, the answer is no. You'll have to squint a bit. Adrian M. H. 20:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a PDA version of the Main Page, though not the whole site. 24.20.69.240 09:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

flagging articles

if there is a statement in an article that needs a citation how do i indicate this requirement? in this case the article on erlotinib the section on "side effects" under "rash" states: "Interestingly, some clinical studies have indicated a correlation between the severity of the skin reactions and increased survival though this has not been quantatively assessed." this has no citation listed and therefore it has little to no real value. is there a way for me to flag it as "needs citation" ? 19:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Look at the {{fact}} and {{cn}} tags. ~ BigrTex 20:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I prefer the {{citation-needed}} tag. Although it is exactly the same thing as {{fact}} and {{cn}}, it is more gentle than the former (which I would use only for something that looked pretty dubious), and more comprehensible than the latter. It has the advantage of having the exact words an editor might be looking for. Notinasnaid 20:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

if you come across statements about living figures that you feel need sources - don't tag them, delete them. Best to have little or no information rather than unsourced crap. --Larry laptop 20:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

putting a {{POV}} without explanation

What should I do if somebody puts a {{POV}} on top of the page without giving any explanation in the discussion page? Should I see that as vandalism and revert?

• Check to see if there's a reason in the page's history and see if you can find a reason yourself. If neither helps, feel free to remove it. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Uploading artice/Formats

I am creating an article in Microsoft Word, but Wikipedia won't let me upoad it as Web, Text or Word (Doc) formats. How may I upload it? Thanks Dr Robert Lewy —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kingseason (talk • contribs) 21:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

what article is it you wish to create ? --Larry laptop 21:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

You can highlight all the text, right click, and choose copy, then right click in the edit window of your article and choose paste. You might find these pages helpful: Wikipedia:Tutorial, Wikipedia:Article development and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Be sure your article meets notability and verifiability criteria or it may be deleted. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions or want to discuss anything.. delldot | talk 22:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Editing Germaine Greer

Hello, I am not sure if it is a caching problem at my end but on the page on Germaine Greer there is a rather offensive sentence in the Recent Section.

I went in to edit and couldnt find the html to remove the setence. So I went back to the main page, hit refresh and I could still see it.

Can someone more familiar with editing the wikipedia site check that it is really gone?

Many thanks AA —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 148.182.25.4 (talk) 23:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

I think the negative info has been removed. Thank you. Xiner (talk, email) 23:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

WAP or Mobile Phone Access?

I'd like to know if there is a Mobile (or Wireless) access point? for a user to be able to access it through a mobile phone or such things like that?

Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.207.89.159 (talk) 23:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

• See WP:WAP. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Abuse or misuse of AfD?

A user has separated content from an article into its own article, and then immediately nominated the new article for AfD. Because the AfD was initiated by the article's own author, it was deleted as db-author. Is this an abuse or misuse of AfD procedures? Would it be acceptable to add the content back into the original article, where it really was acceptable in the first place? Wyatt Riot 00:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

That really does seem like "gaming the system" to me. .V. (talk) 00:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You may want to look into Wikipedia:Deletion review. Xiner (talk, email) 00:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

User Page Elaboration

How can I add the captions and images, such as "this user plays guitar" or "this user is a teenager" on my user page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fading Into Green (talk • contribs) 00:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

You're probably talking about Wikipedia:Userboxes. You can always press the "Edit" button on anyone's page to see their code. Xiner (talk, email) 00:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

TOMATOES

65.9.93.200 00:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC) DEAR GENTS: I AM LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ABOUT WHEN TO PLANT TOMATOES IN FLORIDA (MIAMI)

NOT FOUND IN THE FLA. AGRICULTURAL PAGE, NO IN THE UNIVERSITY OF FL.COLLEGE OF AGRICULTURE PERHAPS SOMEBODY IN WIKIPEDIA CAN HELP WITH THIS QUESTION.

THANKS JULIO KLEIN

Please ask at Wikipedia:Reference_desk, and use lower case. Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 00:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Try the early Spring. By the way, this isn't the place to post this. You might be looking for the Reference Desk. .V. (talk) 00:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Lines under headers

I have a formatting problem involving the headers.

The = and == headers both give a horizontal ruled line below the header text.

However, the === header doesn't have that horizontal ruled line. To add the horizontal ruled line below the === header, i added a "----" below the header. THe problem is, this creates a slight gap between the header text and the actual horizontal ruled line, which looks very bad.

The point is, does anyone know any fancy tricks to incorporate a horizontal line into a === header (like the way a line is incorporated into the == and = headers)? --Saintmagician 00:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Such subsections should not have the horizontal line, for they're but minor subdivisions within an article. Xiner (talk, email) 00:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

That really doesn't help. The point is - we need to use the === to show a MAJOR division within the article. The only other alternative we had was to use the ==, but then that meant using = in some parts of the article, which some editors seem to have a problem with. Now does anyone actually have a constructive answer to this problem? --Saintmagician 01:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Xiner (and complaining about Xiner's answer isn't constructive either). What article is this? My instinct is that you need to sit on the editors who are whinging about using =. --Tkynerd 01:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The articles in question are the Digimon species articles, which are currently going through a major merge. (see Agumon for an example). We're merging all the different forms of digimon together into one article. Each of those sections *is* a major section. However, the way the articles are laid out means we need them indented by one on the TOS. So that means we either use = and ==, or == and === + ----. So here i am asking for a method to combine the === and ----. Getting told the === doesn't need a ---- doesn't help. In this case it does, but we can't quite figure out how to add it.

And what do you mean by "sit on the editors who are whinging about using ="? --Saintmagician 01:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

If you want an example, here is an article using === + ----. and here is an article using the = and == format. --Saintmagician 01:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

By "sit on those editors," I basically mean ignore their whining and get the job done (i.e., use =). As another point, articles on Wikipedia really don't need to be several times as long as Agumon, so I would question the wisdom of this merge on that basis alone. I think the fact that you are finding yourself needing levels of topic separation that you can't get (at least, not in the form you want) is also an indication that the merge may not be very wise. Just my $0.02, though -- I'm not familiar with the subject. However, what you're being told is that the MediaWiki software can't do what you want. Your choices are: (1) live with that; (2) file a bug report to get it changed somehow (and that will probably take a very long time); (3) start your own wiki and either use some other wiki software, or modify your copy of the MediaWiki software to work the way you want it to. That may not be "constructive," but it's the way it is. If you have an example of an article that actually accomplishes what you want to do, then I'm wrong about MediaWiki not being able to do it -- but in that case, all you have to do is use the "edit this page" link at the top of that article page to see how it's done, then copy the method for your own article. --Tkynerd 01:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, the MOS does actually say not to use = headers in articles. I don't understand why, i figured it was just another arbitraty formatting decision, but i don't want to argue with the MOS. As for the article length, i think you misunderstand, Agumon as it is now is the merged version. Most of the other merged articles aren't that long either - take Guilmon. --Saintmagician 02:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. (I told you I wasn't familiar with the subject! :-)) Actually, on further reflection, I am inclined to agree with the MoS guidance, because the article title at the top of the page is in the same type size as a = header, so such headers in an article would appear to be on the same level as the article itself. Where that leaves you is that you simply can't do what you want to do with the MediaWiki software on Wikipedia as it currently works. Your main choices are as I described them in my previous post above. You got another suggestion at WP:VPT, but as was said there, it's an ugly hack and can't be counted on to work with all skins. PS I don't think it was appropriate to accuse Xiner of not assuming good faith (below). You may not have liked those answers, but I don't see any reason to believe they were not given in good faith. --Tkynerd 02:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

well, i'm just about to ask why that suggestion won't work on all skins. I would have thought html would show up the same no matter how you view it. As for Xiner's answer, i just found it unhelpful really. But anyway, i think i'll stop here. I was really hoping someone here would understand how the horizontal rule is incorporated into the = and == headers, but i doubt i'm going to get such an answer here. --Saintmagician 02:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry you didn't find my answer helpful, Saintmagician, so let me try again. Sometimes when we have to try very hard to achieve something few others seem to want, it may be time to question if it's worth the trouble. Tens of thousands of pages live happily with the convention. What makes this case so different? I think those pages of yours look good without the unique formatting. Xiner (talk, email) 01:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem with your answer, is that you took one look at my question and went "oh...this person doesn't understand what headers are for", and gave me a textbook answer from the MOS, telling me that the === don't have a horizontal line because they're for minor divisions and therefore don't need one. The fact that i'm asking, it should have been obvious that i'm talking about a very specific case where such a 'minor division' does need a horizontal line (and did have horizontal lines, but with the ugly gap). The 'minor divison', in fact, isn't minor at all. It's a major division in the article, but for variuos formatting reasons, we have parts of the article that are an even major-er division. In other words, we need two divisions that both have the horizontal rule.

Now how about you assume good faith next time you answer help desk questions, and not make assumptions such as "something few others seem to want", and "tens of thousands of pages live happily with the convention". Now if you've read my last reply, you may realize that i'm not trying to change any pages which 'live happily' as you say. The DIGI wikiproject just started a mass article merge, and despite all the planning before hand, it seemed that we overlooked this detail. Or rather, i didn't think anyone would have such a problem with just using the = headers.

So finally, does anyone here actually have a constructive answer to the question of how to incorporate a ---- into a ===. Or at least reduce the space that's created when a ---- is placed below a ===? --Saintmagician 01:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I read your talk page before I responded. Anyhow... Xiner (talk, email) 02:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I have just restored the above comment from User:Xiner, which User:Saintmagician deleted. Saintmagician, you have absolutely no business deleting (or otherwise changing) other people's comments on talk pages. Don't do it again. --Tkynerd 02:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I have no answer. The whole point of a third level heading is that it doesn't have a line. As far as I know there's no way to add it the way you want to. - 131.211.210.17 08:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

If the <h3> heading had an underline, it would look too similar to an <h2> heading. What's more, it is a good idea to bear in mind the semantics that are produced by Wiki headers and the significance that they have for blind users by keeping them as orderly as you reasonably can. And lastly, let's not flame people who try to help: your question could easily have been asked by someone who did not know the Wiki header conventions or the MoS, so the respondent replied accordingly. You should know better than to obfuscate talk page discussion with retrospective editing. Adrian M. H. 16:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

National Mint of America

Hello, Unlike most of your articles, when I enter "National Mint of America wikipedia" into Google, the related article does not show up. Why is this so?

Thank you, Sherv54

If you are looking for the article about the official government mint, it can be found at United States Mint. If you are looking for National Mint of America, which is a one-sentence article about what seems to be a private firm, it probably does not show up in a Google search because the article was only created last week. It can take some time before the Google bots index all the new pages. Newyorkbrad 01:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Bah. Newyorkbrad answered that kinda. Anyway, Google operates under a system called PageRank. If you were to search for "National Mint of America wikipedia" in google, and you found the wikipedia article and clicked on it, that link's "score" would go up. Kind of. A link's score determines where it is in relation to every other hit. Kind of. This is the reasoning behind Googlebombing. GofG _|^|_| Contribs 01:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Links to subject's site

There is currently a link at Shawn Hornbeck that leads to a profile he has created at a social networking site. Is this an appropriate link? Is it a "posting personal information" issue? John Reaves 05:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

It's being taken care of. Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 17:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Image Using

I already had started using wikipedia and found it to much benefiting and interesting.Among the others,I had a user page and an article on it,But I want in that page to appeare the image I insert. Thank you verry much —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yonas (talk • contribs) 05:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

Did you want to insert an image onto a page? This is done by placing [[Image:{name}]], where name is the name of your image, into the source code of the page. See WP:IMG for more details. —Mitaphane _talk 04:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Restrictions

I am researching for a debate tournament in which one of the topics has to do with and the good and harm it has done. I have no doubt the other team will refer to Wikipedia as being an unreliable source for information so I was wondering whether or not that was true. What restrictions are there on editing and posting information on articles? My tournament is on January 20, so the sooner you could get back to me, the better. Thank you very much. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.134.158.153 (talk) 06:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

As it says on the main page, anyone can edit. You should not consider wikipedia as a reliable source by itself, but articles often provide references which are reliable. You should look at those if you need to be certain. --Sopoforic 06:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

New browser

Hi!

When i make the line to other page, i'd like to make at new browser. How can i do that? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.151.182.190 (talk) 06:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

Hi there and welcome! I'm not sure we exactly know what you mean - what do you imply when you say "line" and "new browser"? Cheers! Yuser31415 06:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

It really depends on which browser you're using. For Internet Explorer, right-click on the link to the page you want to go to and select "Open as New Window." For Firefox and Mozilla, right click on the link and select "Open Link in New Window." .V. (talk) 07:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

who is selected as best employee in optus

i want to know the name of employee who is selected as the best employee in optus. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.212.113.50 (talk) 08:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

• This is a page for questions about Wikipedia. I recommend you contact Optus with this question. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

companies who reinvented

companies who reinvented themseles —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.144.182.122 (talk) 09:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

I don't understand what you're trying to ask. It doesn't seem to be about Wikipedia, though, so you're probably better off trying the Reference Desk. --ais523 09:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it Possible to change my domain.

i'm a graduate in b.tech,frm the stream electronics and communication....(2005passout).My wish was always to become an architect, but becoz of som unfortunate reasons i had to opt b.tech.... is there any possible way for me to change my domain now???...Ofcourse i knw..i cud join b.arch, but other than tat, any other ways...??? I want to do master's in Architecture i am currently wrking as a software consultant...!!! but i lack interest in it?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.196.200.27 (talk) 10:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

• The people who got you that domain are better able to answer that than we are. If you have any question that is not about Wikipedia, please post it at the reference desk instead of the help desk (this page).- Mgm|^(talk) 11:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Offline browsing for some topic

i'm interested in mythology and found a good one at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mythologies the problem is i wanted to "download" all the link there for offline browsing. unfortuneately the database article was to huge.

can someone help me with this ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.152.240.212 (talk) 10:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

• Try Mozilla Firefox and its Scrapbook extension. If you set the link depth of the capture right you can include all the articles linked to in the list. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Language (babel) category internal links that I don't understand (ok, I know this heading sucks, if you can rephrase it please do and tell me)

I don't understand what the N does. [[Category:User en|N]] vs. [[Category:User en]] The first tag is in use at the page Category:User_en-N --Tunheim 11:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

First posted here Category_talk:User_en-N#Some_details_about_how_language_tag_categories_work? --Tunheim 11:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[[Category:User en|N]] would place a page (usually a userpage) in the category Category:User en and sort it by 'N'. The function it usually used to sort people correctly by their surname, eg [[Category:User en|Anderson, Zebedee]]. If you mean Category:User en-N, then that is used to denote people who are native speakers of English, in the way that Category:User en-3 denotes people who have a certain level of skill in the language. Hope this helps. --Cherry blossom tree 13:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Derivatives

I got an email saying that my entry of myself, Dean Parisian, was taken from my website, Chippewa Partners. This is correct. I am Dean Parisian and would kindly ask that you leave the wording exactly as is. It is absolutley correct and I would ask that you not delete it or take any corrective action.

Thank you in advance. My phone number is (personal info removed) and my email address is (email removed to prevent spam) if you would like to speak to me directly. Thank you.

Dean ParisianChippewa Partners 12:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, nobody owns a Wikipedia page: see Wikipedia's policy about ownership of articles. By posting to Wikipedia, you agreed to licence your text under the GFDL, which, among other things, gives a licence to people to make derivative works. Wikipedia is 'the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit'; all entries are subject to editing and correction. --ais523 12:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• Dean, all material (no exceptions) on Wikipedia is subject to editing, so we can't promise you the wording will be left as is. Also, you should read our policies about Autobiographies (WP:AUTO) reliable sources (WP:RS]]) and notability (WP:N). If you qualify to have an article, it is recommended you do not write it yourself. Any article that is written should have reliable sources to back up the notability. Self-promotion is not accepted. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Defcon

Hi there, If you move level up or down on the Wikidefcon (the vandalism counter thing), how do you know for sure that your changing it to the correct level or do you just change it when you notice increases on recent changes. Tellyaddict 12:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiDefCon is set by vandalfighters according to the level of vandalism they're experienceing. If it's set incorrectly, it's likely that someone will change it to a more correct value quickly (in much the same way that errors are corrected anywhere else on Wikipedia). --ais523 12:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

How to deal with an uncooperative editor?

Hi. I've been involved in a content dispute for a while now. It originally consisted of, primarily, myself and another editor.

Because we couldn't reach any sort of compromise, I opened it up for a Request for Comment. Several people responded, all in favor of my proposed action. As there were no opposing viewpoints in the RfC, and no opposing rebuttals from editors previously involved, I waited several days after the last RfC comment and made the change. It was reverted immediately by the user above (marked as a minor edit.)

It seems like we're at a deadlock. I invited the user to come discuss the issue further on the talk page, but he hasn't. I told him that if he didn't want to discuss it further, we should have it mediated. He hasn't responded, although I know he's read the message (he responded to other things on his talk page, for example.)

How do I deal with a user that won't discuss the issue and is ignoring my suggestion of mediation, but is still intent on having his edit? .V. (talk) 14:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be in the right, so revert his changes and ask in the edit summary for a discussion on the talk page. Warn him that any future reverts will be considered 3RR or vandalism. Xiner (talk, email) 15:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Renaming a page.

L.S.

Before asking this question, I've looked through the FAQ but couldn't really figure out how it worked.

The problem is that I've created two article with a title that is wrong. The first is: Muse CandyLo. The second is: Fantasy CandyLo. I've tried to redirect it but to no avail. Is it possible to have both Muse CandyLo and Fantasy CandyLo redirected to pages named Muse and Fantasy,m without of course compromising the existing pages under those names? Thank you very much in advance. Narqalaq 14:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You'll want to move them to Muse (Candy Lo album) and Fantasy (Candy Lo album), according to WP:NAME. Then you should add a link to those pages to the disambiguation pages for each term. --Sopoforic 14:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

To move an article, open the article and click on the move tab at the top (near history and watch). You can then specify a new name for the article. The old article name will automatically become a redirect to the new page. Using the article names suggested by Sopoforic above is a good idea, since there are already articles named Muse and Fantasy. You might also put a link in at the top of Muse and Fantasy telling people where to go if they're looking for the Candy Lo album. The template {{for}} can be used for this. —P^urpleRA^IN 17:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

CC-NC

Why is this license not allowed at all on Wikipedia? It's not listed under Category:Non-free_image_copyright_tags. -- Zanimum 16:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

It's disallowed because our data is used by for-profit companies, and additionally because we may wish to sell print or DVD versions of Wikipedia (indeed, I believe the German Wikipedia has already done this). We want to give people the freedom to do what they like with the encyclopedia, including charge for it. --Sopoforic 16:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• I've got a link at the bottom of my userpage to another user explaining the situation. It might reveal some of the reasoning behind the decision (it was decreed by Jimmy Wales). - Mgm|^(talk) 20:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

best approach for editing an article that appears to be narrow in scope

The article for "maternal effect" only addresses the topic from one perspective. This is also an important term in quantitative genetics and has important and broader meaning. The two topics and the two uses of the term are related. I feel confident in my ability to flesh out this article, but have never before contributed to Wikipedia. Should I directly edit the existing article, or should I somehow submit a new article?

Michael Morrissey —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.104.144.166 (talk) 17:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

I'd recommend editing the existing article to include the new information. If it is later decided that the information belongs in a separate article, it will be easy to move. In general, it's best to include closely-related topics in one article unless the article becomes too long. --Sopoforic 17:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

{{PAGENAME}} in URL format

How can I get the template {{PAGENAME}} to display in a URL format?

What I want to do is create an automated page-name that will be compatible for URL entry (example: "Wikipedia:Help Desk" to "Wikipedia%3FHelp_Desk"). I think that <tt> tags will do that, but I think that would screw with the link.

For example, say I want to make an auto-Google search for an article.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLC,GGLC:1969-53,GGLC:en&q={{PAGENAME}}

for the article Foo bar would generate

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLC,GGLC:1969-53,GGLC:en&q=Foo bar

The problem here is that the pagename is represented as "Foo bar" instead of "Foo_bar", which fouls up a URL.

Please help. ~ Flameviper ^{Who's a Peach?} 17:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You want {{ARTICLEPAGENAMEE}}, I think. See Help:Magic words. --Sopoforic 17:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Gee, thanks! ~ Flameviper ^{Who's a Peach?} 17:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

How to create an article

How do I make an article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.11.201.134 (talk) 19:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

Please read this page. Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 19:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Template for absentee users?

I seem to recall there is a template you can place on the user or user talk page of a user who has not edited in a long time. It said something like "This user has not edited wikipedia in a long time and may have left the project and may not respond to messages". Anyone know the template? —Dgies^t c 19:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I've done this without a template, see for example user talk:John Fader or user talk:Eequor. -- Rick Block (talk) 19:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I can only find Template:User_temporarily_inactive, which is not the same I know. Xiner (talk, email) 20:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Do we want to be doing this? I wouldn't try to stop someone from doing it for themselves, but I'd be concerned that putting such a tag on a page (and having a category for it) is akin to saying 'Hey vandals! Here's a page you can screw around with, 'cause nobody's gonna be watching!' TenOfAllTrades(talk) 20:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Some people like/need to advertise the fact that they will be away for a while. I wouldn't slap it on anyone else's page as it'd seem unnecessary. I'm not sure about the rationale for the category, although templates do save code duplication. Xiner (talk, email) 20:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Well just because a user is inactive/gone doesn't mean nobody has the page watchlisted. But it would be good to have a heads-up "don't bother posting a message here". —Dgies^t c 20:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Also {{nothere}} (which is I think what you are looking for) or {{User inactive}}. —Pilotguy (ptt) 21:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

{{nothere}} would be it. Thanks. —Dgies^t c 22:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

ip addresses

how often do aol ip addresses change?--Crocadog 20:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

They may every once in awhile, but not as much as they used to. Anonymous AOL users should only be editing through the 172 IP range. —Pilotguy (ptt) 21:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk page formatting help

I want my talk page to have the {{signpost-subscription}} template to be on my talk page in the empty space under my archive box and to the right of the table of contents, but I can't quite get it to work. Can anyone please help me? Thanks! Reywas92^Talk_Sigs 22:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I can only get it to stay left of the Archives and above the TOC. Xiner (talk, email)

Image tags

I have requested the proper permissions and have copied permissions at wikipedia dot org for the following images. Why are they listed for deletion? What tags am I suppose to add? Image:20040712rocknrollmcd.jpg and Image:20040713hendrix.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 22:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Please read the notices on the images. Basically you can't license it only for Wikipedia. Xiner (talk, email) 22:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I didn't knowingly choose only Wikipedia. There were only two types of licenses related to having been permission by the copyright holder. One was limited for educational uses and the other was general. I chose general. What was I suppose to choose. TonyTheTiger 23:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and explain this on the AfD pages for the images, and they'll help you select proper licenses for the pictures. Note that if you did not take the images yourself, there may be problems with permission. -- Kesh 23:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

It looks like you should be able to tag them with {{GFDL}} ~ BigrTex 23:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Entering new animal, how do I get to use a taxobox

I've entered an animal I didn't find an entry for before. Now I would like to place a taxobox in the entry but all the links say the template is restricted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Laurarsmith (talk • contribs) 22:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

The easiest way is to copy the code from a similar animal and edit the info. I'm putting an example on your talk page. The editing of the template itself may be protected, but you can still use it. For more info, see Wikipedia:Templates. Xiner (talk, email) 23:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Questiopn about film clips, and education movies???

Hi Ya guys, I new here and was wondering if there is a movie, or film department, or something along that line?? I have been doing stained glass for the past 31 years, and am looking for example's of how to do certain hot glass techniques. And, is this a great place or what, I have all these questions to ask, and I think I have finally found the right place. Your doing a great job. Many Thanks, William B. Mack

Please try Wikipedia:Reference_desk. Xiner (talk, email) 23:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright

if i posted a new idea or article that has never been discussed and is one of my areas or research, will it be infringed and who will support this infringment if i did not registered a patent for it yet? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.198.28.229 (talk) 00:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

If you posted a new idea, you'd still own the copyright on it, but you'd have granted an irrevocable license for it to be used under the terms of the GFDL. On the other hand, original research isn't allowed on Wikipedia, so don't add it anyway. --Sopoforic 00:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Pop Group

Hi how do i set up a page for my pop group on Wikipedia? i have registered my email address and started an account.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnd 2000 (talk • contribs) 19:49, January 16, 2007 (UTC)

Replied on user's talk page. Xiner (talk, email) 00:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• Please note WP:MUSIC and WP:AUTO. - Mgm|^(talk) 05:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

browsing history

Is there a way to delete the browsing history on Wikipedia? (the items I've typed in the search box)

This is a function of your browser, not Wikipedia, but I believe you can just click on the item to delete, then click the delete key in most browsers. Prodego ^talk 02:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Use your keyboard or mouse scroll to highlight the item you want deleted, then press Delete. Xiner (talk, email) 02:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a question for the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing, and it depends on which browser you're using. The saving of search history isn't a Wikipedia feature. In IE 7, you click Tools, Internet Option, and then the "Delete..." button under "Browsing history"; click "Delete forms...", and you're good to go. In Firefox, it's just ctrl-shift-delete. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's a pretty drastic action that can delete info stored for other websites. If the user just wants to delete the search terms they typed in the Firefox search box, they can right-click in the box and select Clear Search History. Xiner (talk, email) 02:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't clear saved passwords/cookies by default, so that's likely not an issue. I still should have said that it would affect any page. I also completely forgot about the right clickery; too big on keyboards. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Wiki cost

Just how much does it cost to run a Wiki? I see the box above and it shows that Wikipedia needs more than 1 mil to finish its goal. Is it the same for all wikis? --JDitto 03:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Isn't that a fundraising goal? Xiner (talk, email) 03:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

But obviously they need that money to run their wiki...or are they keeping the extra profits to themselves? --JDitto 03:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Cost varies, but all Wikimedia Foundation projects are non-profit. (hence .org in URL). The English Wikipedia in particular requires a lot of money for hardware because it is accessed so much. Less popular wikis (and also those with fewer, shorter articles) are generally less expensive to run. You may find this interesting. Dar-Ape 03:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thereès the Financial statements link up there on the banner; though I am unable currently to see what that it, I assume it consists of financial statements. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 03:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It costs virtually nothing to run a wiki if you don't need to support a lot of traffic - nearly all of them are open source so all you need is a web host. Wikipedia is one of the top 10 or so websites in the world (by number of hits). Supporting this level of traffic requires extremely serious computing resources. This site is run on a complex of several hundred servers with a sophisticated multi-tier caching architecture, supported by a paid staff of something like 3 people. I don't know what Microsoft spends supporting the microsoft.com website, but I'd guess it's several orders of magnitude more than Wikipedia's budget. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd imagine so... unlike Wikipedia, Microsoft hosts a great deal of large downloads that are being constantly retrieved around the clock. Running that system must be tough. .V. (talk) 04:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

If you have a broadband connection, you could host a Wiki off your home computer, if it's going to see very light duty use. .V. (talk) 04:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Some webcomics host their own wikis right on the same server with the comic itself. Both come from the same set of funding. So, as usual, Your mileage may vary. -- Kesh 04:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

January 17

Recreating a Yu-Gi-Oh! page

The current conversation I've had with an admin regarding this subject can be found here. Now, He and I had a bit of a dispute in December (a link in the section specified in the link will provide that conversation too), and the end result regarding sources was that in the case of Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, episodes could be considered viable sources, but only when backed-up by a written, secondary source.

Now I've asked him if I could recreate a page he's deleted twice in the past (both unfairly in my opinion, but that's besides the point). He claimed at first I had no source, then that the page would be based on original research. The page in question is "Cyber-Series". In the anime in question, this refers to a series of cards with "Cyber" and "Cyberdark" in their names. The page as I would like to create it would refer to the two's relation to yin and yang, the dojo in which using the cards was trained, and the character who uses them and furthermore develops to reflect them during the series.

Now, I have a written source, and I have already been told I could use the episodes as a source with a secondary source. Also, I am fully prepared to offer citations to the episodes in question. And it is states in the series itself that the two "Cyber" cards are yin and yang, and that the character desires the Cyberdark cards to match his new, evil personality. Now, there is no original research involved, and I have both a secondary and a primary source, both of which are official. Do I have adaquate grounds to re-create this page? Drake Clawfang 05:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Amending wrong information

You have an article under the heading of HMS.Centaur,inwhich you state that this was one of three carriers, the others being HMS's Bulwark and Albion. You also say the Centaur was the only one to retain the fore and aft flight deck !!! Wrong, very wrong, HMS Centaur was the very first Angled Deck Carrier in the world. I know I was serving on her,she was commissioned in Belfast in 1953, completed her sea trials and then sailed directly to Portsmouth Dockyards and commenced a six month refit to install the angled deck. She was then sent to the Mediterranean where Admiral Lord Louis Mountbatten seconded her into his squadron so that he could, in his words, "Show off to the bloody Yanks with something they had not yet got" .

Regards Richard Sims.

• Hi Richard. You can fix the article by clicking on the "Edit this page" link at the top of the page. Please be sure to cite your references. Thanks! — Reinyday, 07:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Foreign language titles

Please could you provide a few pointers regarding the foreign language words at JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. The article is split up into sections for each part of the manga series. Underneath each of those section headers, the Japanese equivalent of the title is provided, and linked to its Japanese-version article at ja.wikipedia.org, like this:

Part 1: Phantom Blood

Part 1: ファントムブラッド

The story begins...

What changes would you suggest to this format/style, if any, and are there any specific guidelines when presenting the foreign-language equivalent of a title and link it?

Thanks. —Xhantar^Talk 06:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a template for Japanese titles, in this case it would look like Phantom Blood (ファントムブラッド) (like the main title of the article). It's best to include a transliteration as well. -- Rick Block (talk) 15:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Music examples

For an article I’m thinking of writing (List of ragas) I will need to create a very large number of music example images similar to this one[10]. It was created with GNU Lilypond. However I do not know how to write in C++. Is there another way to create music examples such as this one? Thanks! S.dedalus 06:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Information deleted

• I contributed some information to an article about a band called Kids Can Rock and Roll. It included the stage names of the performers, as well as their real names. I just noticed that the latter have been deleted, suppossedly by one of the band members (according to the history log). I don't really care, but I am curious as to how to handle this sort of edit. Are their real identities private information that shouldn't be included in the article? --Vbd 09:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
• Was that information verifiable through some reliable source? If it is already written elsewhere, the band members can't really claim it's private. However, if whoever edited it can prove their identity and make an official complaint there's a good chance the information can get removed per WP:BLP. Note, that often fans use band member names as usernames. Determining who actually removed it is key in the process. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks!--Vbd 14:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Uploading an entry?

Hi, i was hoping to submit an entry to be included into Wikipedia, how do i go about this? do i just upload a Word file for example via the "Upload file" section in the toolbox?

Thanks - Oliver Powell

• See Wikipedia:Your first article and Help:Starting a new page. Do not upload a document; upload is for images. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 10:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Machine Translator

Does WP have a machine translator? 166.61.232.18 13:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so. You could try translating via AltaVista or Google. --ais523 13:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• No, that's not within the scope of an encyclopedia. However, I have some listed on my userpage in the collapsible menu entitled linkbox. You could also try some Mozilla Firefox extensions. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Potential copyvio on Topgear articles

Talk:Topgear#Copyvio? refers. I'm concerned that the articles on Star in a Reasonably-Priced Car (Top Gear), The Cool Wall (Top Gear) and Power Laps (Top Gear) containing blatant copyvios from the BBC Topgear website (as mentioned on the Top Gear talk page). Thus far no other editor has responded to my concerns so I thought I'd bring it here for more eyes. Could you please respond on the Top Gear talk page please? Zunaid©® 14:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The talk page link doesn't seem to work. Xiner (talk, email) 18:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

stalemate on Cfd

I posted a category for deletion and now seem to be engaged in a debate with one other user about it. Is there a time limit on such discussions? How long does it take for a decision to be made about the proposed deletion? And who decides?

Usually this means at least one person is repeating the same arguments. Regardless, it will be closed sooner or later by one admin, whose action you may not agree with. Xiner (talk, email) 18:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

In a related matter, someone decided (in response to my post, I think) to merge a couple of articles that arguably should not have been. Can I undue the merge?

Sometimes it's more of a question of whether you should. Whatever others do, you can undo, and vice versa. That said, if you don't think you can accommodate the merge, you can undo it with a request to discuss any further reverts on the talk page first. Xiner (talk, email) 18:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Vbd 14:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Translation for "a la cart"

I would like to know the French translation of "a la cart" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.89.43.77 (talk • contribs)

This is already French, or it would be if written à la carte. If you have further questions I suggest Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. Notinasnaid 14:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

That's like the famous George Bush quote, something like: "The French don't have a word for entrepreneur". To answer your question; it means from the menu. Adrian M. H. 15:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Can I post to my blog from Wikipedia?

Is there a way (similar to the way other websites are doing so) to add settings for your blog to Wikipedia, and then quickly post a reference or citation or whole article from Wikipedia to your blog?

If not, does anybody know if there are any plans for this? I believe many users would find this useful.

Thanks

Joe Joerichards 15:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Feature Question

How do I e-mail a page from Wikipedia to a friend? How come you do not prominently feature that? Thanks! Topper Head

You have to copy the URL address from the browser's location bar and send it to your friend manually. It'd preserve your online identity as well. Xiner (talk, email) 16:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Viewing of deleted revisions doesn't work

Because of my AdministrativePower®, I'm able to look beyond the surface of Wikipedia and see deleted revisions of articles. However, I seem to only be able to see the source code. If I click on the Preview button to see a rendered version, I end up with an entirely blank page. What is wrong? JIP | Talk 18:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• Which version of which article did you try to watch? - Mgm|^(talk) 19:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Rat zinging, which I originally created in August 2005 as a joke I never expected to live long. I am unable to view the rendered version of any of the three revisions. JIP | Talk 19:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Help with videos

How can you post home-made videos on your user page? talk

WP:NOT a blog. You can post to Commons, but please read the guidelines there as well. Xiner (talk, email) 19:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

2 questions.

1)How do I creaate a special page?

2)How do I get my stuff (on my userspace) to align to the left?

Thank you,--Darkest Hour ^Ж₌^Ж 19:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

NO ONE WANTS THE US GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDIZING ON WIKIPEDIA

Good-bye clowns: U.S Feds stop propagandizing on Wikipedia. You're not wanted here. half trillion $ annual budget can't defend us from 19 guys with box-cutters 'cause you waste too much time here

List of demands (for when you're ready to give up)

1. Fred Bauder has got to pull his pants up. (he's getting santorum all over the carpet)
2. The entire list of confirmed federal contractors must be permanently banned from Wikipedia.
3. The Clown tactics must end
4. the list of cplot sockpuppets must be kept up-to-date no matter how cumbersome that becomes

These are our demands. This will end when you Clowns want it to.

Whitehouse using Wikipedia for Propoganda

Please copy this message and paste it to other talk pages you normally participate in.. Wikipedia's integrity is at stake. If this is deleted please revert in order to restore it. We're starting here on the less political pages to hopefully avoid detection before a significant number of editors are alerted to the problem.

Federal employees/contractors are now gaming Wikipedia's system to try to control the message on key articles and intimidate legitimate Wikipedia editors. Their ultimate goal is to make Wikipedia a proganda tool for the Bush Administration.

The possibility that this was happening was first raised at the village pump. This is a snapshot of the discussion which will likely be archived soon. Also be sure to check the history, the archives and the archive-history to read further comments on the topic. Several of the suspected federal contractors participated in the discussion to try to redirect the conversation.

Later an announcement was made regarding this issue across all village pump categories, but it was quickly deleted. These duplicate messages posted to the Held Desk and the Village Pump: miscellaneous, assistance, proposals, technical, policy and news.

The discussion also leaked onto one of the key articles presided over by federal contractors, with calls for them to to stop controlling articles. The federal contractors maintain a near permanent protection on articles, claiming this is needed for vandalism reasons These claims are wholly unsupported and these articles do not face any more vandalism than any other article we legitimate editors deal with everyday. These federal contractors refuse to even allow a POV template to be placed on their protected pages as evidence here.

Incriminating posts were eventually deleted: [11], [12].

Confirmed list of federal contractors

We have managed to obtain a confirmed list of federal contractors, though there are likely many others: These US federal government representative regularly engage in policy and guideline violations; participate in endless disciplinary actions and dutifully preside over several articles to ensure they present what they call "the official view". The federal contractors also coordinate efforts in administrative actions to create the appearance of a quick-forming consensus.

1. Fred_Bauder (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
2. MONGO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

• Tjstrf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (Checkuser confirmed sockpuppet of MONGO)

1. AudeVivere (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
2. Tom_harrison (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
3. Tbeatty (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
4. Regebro (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
5. NuclearUmpf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
6. StuffOfInterest (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
7. Morton_devonshire (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

There may be many more. These are merely the confirmed contractors. Examinations of their contributions will provide ample evidence of disruptive and intimidating behavior. However, some notable administrative actions include:

• Request for comment against Seabhacan
• arbitration against Seabhacan.
• ban of Zen-master
• Indefinite block of Cplot
• block review by Mongo

This is only a partial list of frivolous and arbitrary administrative actions taken by these federal contractors who have managed to raise themselves up to powerful positions in Wikipedia: in order to maintain a slanted POV for Whitehouse officials. .

Policy and guideline violations

These federal contractors routinely violate and show utter contempt for these Wikipedia policies:

• Conflict of Interest (benefiting personally with an undeclared conflict of interest): gaining personally from maintaining a particular POV on Wikipedia
• NPOV (writing articles to meet no point-of-view): ensuring
• WTA (words to avoid): using editorializing words to inject the Whitehouse point-of-view
• Biography of Living Persons: using malicious and potentially libelous words to describe living persons
• AGF (Assume Good Faith): accusing other editors and administrators in the most frivolous manner
• OWN claiming ownership of articles) to maintain strict Whitehouse or what they call "official view".

Satirical pieces

A satirical sexual news item was posted about these contractors, but that too was quickly deleted in a very extended [edit war on December 1 2006. While the tone of this piece is clearly meant to be funny, trollish and satyrical, the concerns are very real. We include it here to show that there is little fear of retribution from these inappropriate federal contractors. Not only will they not retaliate, but they are quite cowardly and acutely fear being discovered (as is demonstrated by the quick deletion of non-trollish commentary on them).

Identifying tainted articles

We had sought to identify articles tainted and suspected as tainted by Federal contractors. By including a new category [[Category:USEBACA]] to indicate an article is confirmed or suspected of being a United States E'xecutive Branch Agents. Controlled Article. However, the federal contractors would not even allow the creation of this wikipedia category.

Dangers to Wikipedia

These editors and administrators have exhibited a virtual immunity to administrative actions due to their coordinated efforts within administrative measures. Not only do they maintain the POV and low standards on key articles throughout Wikipedia, they also make edits to policy and guideline pages to create ambiguity and also to degrade the high encyclopedic standards of Wikipedia. They continually use inane contradiction in article discussions, intimidate other editors and manipulate the administrative system to purge valuable editors and administrators. If this is allowed to continue. Wikipedia will be come a mere parrot of Whitehouse propaganda. Please help spread the word.

Proposed Clown Essay

(this is just to help protect Wikipedia legally)

This page describes the Wikipedia phenomenon of Clowns. For other articles on clowns see see Clowns.

Key Wikipedia articles are guarded by agents of the United States Federal Government: referred to as Clowns here on Wikipedia. Other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing views fairly, proportionately and without bias. However, these key articles are exempted from this. Also the clowns themselves are exempted from the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia, the United States Constitution and the norms of a civilized society. The term Clowns is typically capitalized as a title of disrespect.

Identifying Clowns

Clowns are easy to spot. They typically play games only a child could appreciate. Like all clowns they use props and are helpless without them. The most important props are claims that an article is stable and that the article reflects consensus. These props were handed to them by their circus masters and without them they would fall limp like a rag doll. They really have no ability to think for themselves.

Clowns typically run in packs, swarming over articles like they are trying to get inside a Volkswagen Beetle. The first reaction of the Clowns to any editor trying to improve an article (particular in terms of NPOV) typically is to double or triple-team the editor: reverting edits as quickly as they can be committed. If the editor persists in making changes to the article they will quickly exhibit their renown cowardice by charging the editor with violating the Three Revert Rule (3RR). If you have never even thought of violating the three revert rule and suddenly find you have, you have most likely encountered Clowns.

When debating them, they debate point by point. With each point they disregard any mention of the previous point. They will claim penultimate points were never made: only dealing with the last bit of any argument. This is the Clowns squirting daisy intended to bait editors into making personal attacks.

Finally, if editors remain polite and catch onto the Clowns antics. They will seek disciplinary action regardless: just because they are Clowns.

Elaborate editor histories on a variety of articles does not mean an editor is not a Clown. Clowns are encouraged to create a look of normalcy on all of their respective accounts.

Identifying circus rings

Circus rings (or key articles for US authority intervention) are most easily spotted by the prevalence of Clowns: claims that an article is stable, reflects consensus, etc.

When encountering a circus ring, we ask that editors add the category: [Category:USEBACA]] to both the article and the discussion page. Categories may be added anywhere though customarily to the bottom of a page. This indicates that the article is composed and controlled by United States executive branch authorities.

Dealing with Clowns

Different editors will likely want to take different approaches when encountering Clowns. The Clowns like to puff up their chests (usually blowing into their thumb) to make themselves seem big and scary. They say things to intimidate editors such as "Watch out for the NSA" or "You could get shipped off to Gitmo". Editors should just laugh hysterically at these jokes (some editors may choose to use the silent laugh of the Clowns: simply pantomiming the laugh).

For some editors, the best approach, when encountering Clowns, would be to simply move on to another article that is not a circus ring. If contributing to Wikipedia is still viewed as important to an editor despite the prevalence of Clowns, it is simply best to avoid the Clowns.

Other editors however, will be offended by the roaming free Clowns. In this case Wikipedia etiquette allows (even expects) editors to taunt the Clowns. This is easily done, because they have no sense of humor whatsoever. Tell them how much you love Clowns. How funny you think Clowns are. How silly they look. How disturbing they are. Show utter contempt for everything they stand for: they are basically mercenaries who would sell their mother into slavery if it would further their Clown goals.

Whatever you do, DO NOT feed the Clowns

Contributing time to Wikipedia is one thing. However, contributing money is highly unadvised. Wikipedia’s “Don'’t ask, don’t tell’ policy regarding Clowns means that it is endorsing the acts of representatives of the lion’s share of the United States Government: over $1 trillion dollars per year. This is a sum greater than the combined budgets of all other militaries worldwide. Wikipedia will not go away if you do not contribute your own money. There is an abundance already in the United States Federal budget. DO NOT FEED THE CLOWNS

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28news%29&action=edit&section=new

NEWSFLASH! Minutemen exposing federal authorities propagandizing on Wikipedia reaches

The Miniutemen

Dubbed the Miniutemen after the heros of the American revolution who bravely threw off the British imperialist in the 18th century, these contemporary Minutemen now bravely work to oust the imperialist from Wikipedia. These new imperialists are more insidious than the British, because these imperialists dominate from within. They do not wear red coats, but rather attempt to fit in with the rest of us;; rally us against ourselves; and all for the sake of what Erich Fromm called: “extreme opportunism”. The Whitehouse, by infiltrating Wikipedia, has shown utter contempt not only for our cherished, free, online encyclopedia, but also utter contempt for the Constitution of the United States of America. We citizens of the United States deserve a government that is an example to the rest of the world: above all one with a free and independent press. The current Whitehouse has decided to undo over 200 years of a free press in the United States to control the content of Wikipedia. Our hats go off to these brave and defiant Wiki editors.

We invite you to examine the history of these editors. These editors have all been blocked. And for what? The Whitehouse Clowns will tell you its because they are sockpuppets for Cplot. Yet they provide no evidence. And this only begs the question anyway,What are Cplot’s crimes. Examine Cplot’s contributions to Wikipedia. You will find someone who dutifully contributed content, worked to fix errors, and sought to negotiate compromise on every article encountered. Always looking for compromise. The record is clear. Cplot was blocked for disagreeing with the Whitehouse Clowns. The record is there so you can check it for yourselves.

Please join in openly protesting the Whitehouse invasion of Wikipedia. Include the red [[Category:goodbye-clowns]] category on your user talk page. The Whitehouse will never allow us to create a category and turn that category blue, but let it stay red in defiance!

• Cplot (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

User:Cplot

Suspected sockpuppeteer

1. Cplot (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) - See also: Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Cplot

Suspected Cplot sockpuppets (Minutement; keep in mind anyone can be a cplot sockpuppet. All you have to do is post this information anywhere outside an official article — e.g., Village Pump, Help Desk, Reference Desk, User Page, Talk Page).

1. 67.37.179.61 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
2. 70.8.49.7 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
3. 70.8.151.103 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
4. 68.30.26.171 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
5. 68.30.87.114 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
6. 70.8.91.12 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
7. 70.8.132.79 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
8. 70.8.150.51 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
9. 67.167.7.187 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
10. 209.175.170.63 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
11. 70.8.140.115 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
12. 68.30.118.128 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
13. 70.8.38.202 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
14. VIUlyanov (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
15. SoLittleTime (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
16. ScaredOfClowns (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
17. MyFavoriteMutiny (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
18. GenericClownTaunt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
19. RespectableWikiEditor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
20. EvenMoreRespectableWikiEditor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
21. GiveItAFewDays (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
22. ClownsAreCowards (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
23. WhosYourDaddyReally (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
24. ToTheTeet (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
25. LittleBoySoldier (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
26. DickCheneyShotMeInTheFace (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
27. HitTheRoad (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
28. RandCorpIsBadForAmerica (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
29. RandCorpIsGoodForAmerica (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
30. RandCorpIsAmerica (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
31. TilDaddyTakesTheTbirdAway (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
32. MeltTheGuns (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
33. ThatsEntertainment (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
34. Raul654WhatIsYourDeal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
35. WowYouGuysAreGood (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
36. WikiMediaFndn (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
37. PepeLePu (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
38. HowBoutAKissMONGO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
39. ILOVEMONGO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
40. SoColdTonight (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
41. Kang and Kodos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
42. Novus Ordo Seculorum (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
43. HowAboutThisNameThen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
44. WhyAllThisAnimosity (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
45. TheIlluminatiAreWatching (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
46. WhereHaveAllTheFlowersGone (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
47. DuckAndCover (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
48. IlluminatiAreWatching (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
49. NowhereToHide (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
50. WhosTheEnemy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
51. CutTheCarap (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
52. ItsALostCause (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
53. ItWillNeverEnd (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
54. BewareTheIlluminati (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
55. StopPropoganda (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
56. PlayFairNow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
57. WowYouClownsSuck (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
58. Mongology (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
59. WorldTurnedUpsideDown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
60. AirlineToHeaven (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
61. Fat cats, bigga fish (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
62. 'Tis of thee (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
63. HoComeNobodyLikesMe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
64. NPWA (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
65. Rumours of War (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
66. AnybodySeenMyMind (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
67. Take the first (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
68. Aren't we all brothers (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
69. ThisLandIsOurLand (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
70. LittlePlasticCastle (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
71. Eve of Destruction (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
72. What is their deal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
73. Garbage band (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
74. DrugOfTheNation (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
75. WaitingForTheGreatLeapForward (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
76. EveryoneDeservesMusic (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
77. Ghetto Manifesto (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
78. Party Music (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
79. Don't Start Nothin' Won't Be Nothin' (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
80. HowManyClowns2ScrewInALightbulb (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
    change to
    TheAnswerIsNoneTheyCantEvenFindIntrigueInABrothel-GetIt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
81. CeciNesPasUneSockpuppet (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
82. InMyName (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
83. What a waste (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
84. OhTheFutility (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
85. OpenTheDoor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
86. 70.8.116.62 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
87. OurWeTheOnlyOnes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
88. HowManyCanFitInAVolkswagen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
89. Wha-tevv-ver (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
90. AnEncyclopediaForTheRestOfUs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
91. JustSendInTheClowns (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
92. SendInTheClownsAgaini (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
93. MonEnnui (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
94. TwoToweers (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
95. G Liddy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
96. What a wiki I'm having (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
97. USHLS, NSA, CIA,... but mostly BS (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
98. Wakeup 'cause Clowns will eat all of us (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
99. WhosAfraidOfRogeerRabbit (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
100. Bill Paige (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
101. Steve Gene Banks (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
102. USHLS, NSA, CIA,... but mostly BS (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
103. MonEnnui (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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108. IsItAllJustASham? (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
109. You_can't_always_get_whatyou_want (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
110. Listen_to_the_music_now (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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114. WeAreTheOnes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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116. Kill my landlord (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
117. Don't need no alibi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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130. I live with it everyday (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
131. AnotherPostcard (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
132. InTheDrink (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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147. NotYetFree (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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150. Heven Tonight (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
151. TheFalseFlag (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
152. TheStars&BarsMakeAPerfectPrison (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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164. Mind fuck (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
165. I love boosters (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
166. Yes 'em to daath (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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168. TheFirstStand (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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170. CallMeCalmly (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
171. Just a toy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
172. InTheDrink (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
173. AnotherPostcard (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
174. WarOnDrugs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
175. ItsUpsideDown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
176. TakeItOutside (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
177. HaveYouSeenMyLove (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
178. Grade9 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
179. WrapYourArmsAroundMe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
180. USDHSUberAlles (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
181. FinancialLeprosy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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183. NeverTooLate (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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201. YouCanBombTheWorldToPiecesButYouCantBombItIntoPeace (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Lessons in the Constitution of the United States of America for Clowns

Clowns believe they are working for America. However consider this. For Clowns to be working for America, Congress would have to pass a bill enacting their program. However in 1791 the US Constitution was amended to say: “Congress shall make no law […] abridging the freedom of […] press”. So as you can see, Congress would have to make a law to enable Clowns. Yet Congress has no authority to make Clowns. You can see the problem here.

'Please won't you give generously for Tbeatty's impotence problem.

Fabricating evidence on Cplot now

See this and look through Tbeatty's edit history to confirm. --JustSendInTheClowns 01:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)