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- ALT1 (by creator):"... that one of the four nations in the the Universe of Avatar: The Last Airbender, the Fire Nation, drew its inspiration from the volcanic islands of Iceland and the Pacific Ocean?" NuclearWarfare (Talk) 02:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2 (copyedited version of creator's ALT1):"the Fire Nation, from the Universe of Avatar: The Last Airbender, was inspired by photos of volcanic islands of Iceland and the Pacific Ocean?" NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c ) 02:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- offline refs accepted w/ good faith. I happen to like ALT2 better, but take your pick. —Ed 17 (Talk / Contribs) 02:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2 is excellent. :) NuclearWarfare (Talk) 02:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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No inline citations in article. Shubinator (talk) 15:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- The whole article is written based on a couple of pages in the book published by the Government of India. In such a case, even if I am to add inline citations for each and every claim in the article, it will probably be from the same source-RavichandarMy coffee shop 15:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- I've added citations for the hook-RavichandarMy coffee shop 15:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- I removed the word "while" so the sentence would make sense. Art LaPella (talk) 06:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- No, now it doesn't make sense. He was mainly known for being a judge rather than a barrister, and both judges and barristers have rooms referred to as "chambers". As such it is important to clarify that it was while he was a barrister rather than while he was a judge to avoid confusion on the part of the reader. Ironholds (talk) 17:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't mean to change the meaning, but I misinterpreted the hook, and I think others could get as lost as I did. You meant "while a barrister" to modify "Henry McCardie", but I misinterpreted "while" as introducing a major subordinate clause "a barrister, Henry McCardie, often worked so late into the night that his chambers were nicknamed 'the lighthouse'". Then I got lost because there was no way to attach that imaginary clause to the rest of the sentence; or in non-grammatical terms, while he worked so late that his chambers were nicknamed "the lighthouse", what else happened while that was happening? So how about "Henry McCardie, as a barrister, ..."? Art LaPella (talk) 03:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Alt Hook 1 - ... that despite not being permitted to charge admission, the manager of the Homestead Grays' brother, employed by the rival Pittsburgh Crawfords, demanded fans give a "contribution" to attend a 1930 game at Ammon Field in order to discredit the team? Grsz11 04:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Pls keep DYK hooks short, 200 characters at the most. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- The first hook is. Grsz11 18:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Alt Hook 2 - ... that the manager of the Homestead Grays' brother demanded fans give a "contribution" to attend a 1930 game at Ammon Field in order to discredit the competing Pittsburgh Crawfords? Grsz11 18:36, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT 1: ... that there is both a Sacred Cod and a Holy Mackerel in the Massachusetts State House? --- This could have a picture of the stathouse attached and is a bit more intresting.--Found5dollar (talk) 03:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Verified for the April Fool's Day hooks. Please don't run it now - save it for April 1st. Royalbroil 05:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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- I copyedited the hook a bit. Gary King (talk) 21:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- ... that Babe Ruth reportedly signed one of his most lucrative New York Yankees' contacts at Jacob Ruppert's Eagles' Rest estate in Garrison, New York, now Saint Basil Academy (main house, pictured)?
- ... that former New York Yankees' owner Jacob Ruppert kept one of the world's largest private collections of monkeys, wild birds and peacocks at his Garrison, New York, estate, now Saint Basil Academy (main house, pictured)? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 19:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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All ok, with print source for ref. Johnbod (talk) 20:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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What sport and country is this? Daniel Case (talk) 19:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- I've expanded out WHL to provide the sport name in the hook. Not sure how I can shoehorn Canada in without it looking awkward. Suggestions? Resolute 22:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- This was de facto merged and redirected when created last month, but has returned to article space after a brief sojourn in userspace.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Is this not premature and misleading? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm, I don't know, but I don't think you can fit this in the timeframe by any stretch of the rules. What did the article look like when it was first deleted or userspaced? Grsz11 04:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- It is a 14.5x expansion from when it was userfied.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm, I don't know, but I don't think you can fit this in the timeframe by any stretch of the rules. What did the article look like when it was first deleted or userspaced? Grsz11 04:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Is this not premature and misleading? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Upon further consideration, it seems to meet all the criteria date wise and notability wise based on having been userfied. It's a timely topic and I think it's an interesting article subject. Kudos to its creators. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Well are you going to give it the green check mark?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Do publications like the NY Times do these comparisons for every new US President? This is therefore an uninteresting hook. BTW, "(Obama pictured)" needs to be changed. Mr & Mrs Obama as well as many other people are pictured. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 16:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Huh? Why is this back? It's Day 24! He might not make it to Day 100! --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- It passed WP:DRV 8–2 after some content addition. Regardless of the fact that we can not be sure of day 100 before putting this on the main page about 10 weeks early, we must make a decision now. I switched to an image of the 2nd oath (with far fewer people).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Huh? Why is this back? It's Day 24! He might not make it to Day 100! --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- I am skeptical that this needs to be an article in the first place, but if it is considered worthy of a DYK, it needs a better hook. Looking at the New York Times items that are the basis for this hook, the Times doesn't appear to be saying anything like "Obama has accomplished as much in his first 100 days as Roosevelt, Kennedy, Johnson, or Nixon"; rather, it appears to be saying something more like "Obama will have a first 100 days, and here is what happened during Roosevelt, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon's first 100 days". In other words, the "comparison" described in the hook is trivial. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- (alt hook) ... that like Lincoln, Obama started the first 100 days of his presidency by nominating the former party front-running United States Senator from New York as United States Secretary of State?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- (alt hook2) ... that the first 100 days of the Presidency of Barack Obama began on the internet, while Itzhak Perlman, Yo-Yo Ma, Gabriela Montero, and Anthony McGill were playing at the inaguration?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- (alt hook3) ... that the first 100 days of the Presidency of Barack Obama began before the Barack Obama was qualified to take office?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- (alt hook4) ... that the first 100 days of the Presidency of Barack Obama has been affected by numerous personal tax controversies?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- CoM alt: ... that before Barack Obama's first 100 days in office in office, and after winning the 2008 United States presidential election, Barack Obama said he had been studying Franklin Delano Roosevelt's first 100 days?
- ... that Sir Alan Muir Wood was honorary lifetime president of the International Tunneling Association?
- or ... that Sir Alan Muir Wood worked on the 80 km Orange–Fish River Tunnel, the second-longest water supply tunnel in the world? - new article, self nom - Dumelow (talk) 00:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Suggest mentioning the host city in the hook. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 16:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- added host city to hook. H1nkles (talk) 17:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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I think the word "attended" suggests that Abbott attended Lincoln as a physician, but neither of the sources supports that idea. The DCB says: "Among the select group who stood vigil over the dying President Abraham Lincoln in April 1865, he was later presented by Mary Todd Lincoln with a shawl her husband had worn to his first inauguration." - I suggest rewording the hook. Length and history verified. Awadewit (talk) 12:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- This story was interesting enough to get me poking around this morning, and there do seem to be at least a few references that refer to Abbott as serving a medical function at Lincoln's deathbed. In the book Lincoln in The Times: The Life of Abraham Lincoln, as Originally Reported in the New York Times by David Herbert Donald and Harold Holzer (Macmillan 2005), ISBN 9780312349196, there is mention on p.252 (Google Books excerpt here) that Abbott was the one keeping the "minutes" (his pulse, respiration, etc.) I'll add this cite to the page unless others think it's not germane.--Arxiloxos (talk) 15:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- Might as well add that reference please and keep the hook as is. --Boston (talk) 05:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Already done.--Arxiloxos (talk) 18:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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Length and reference verified (reference barely passes WP:RS since it's expressing an opinion rather than fact) but 1) this is not a compelling hook and 2) it mis-states the source. The source did not describe the bracelet as a "bondage accessory". It described it as "look[ing] a bit like a bondage accessory". There's a difference. You have some characters to play with in the hook (currently 121) but I'm wondering if there isn't something more interesting that could be said about the subject? Otto4711 (talk) 22:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- Changed wording, but I disagree, I think it is a compelling hook. It is off the wall and unexpected for something that you would expect from a company such as the WPT.---I'm Spartacus! The artist formerly known as Balloonman 22:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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Date and length verified. Off-line source accepted in good faith. Cbl62 (talk) 05:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
... that openly gay Village Voice columnist Arthur Bell denounced William Friedkin's 1980 film Cruising as likely to incite anti-gay violence, even though his own writings helped inspire Friedkin? new article moved to article space today, self-nom. Otto4711 (talk) 04:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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Date and length verified. Off-line source accepted in good faith. Manxruler (talk) 08:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT1: ... that Kansas City Barbeque is a restaurant and bar in San Diego, California, made famous after several scenes in the movie Top Gun were filmed there? - Dravecky (talk) 15:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- It's good, but 'several' should be omitted - only 2 scenes were shot. Law shoot! 21:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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- I think you could remove the "...which took place in Utah" from the hook since it is evident that you are referring to Utah from the title of the article. Just my opinion though. H1nkles (talk) 23:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- I debated that in my head before I posted the nom, but I went with including that last phrase just to ensure clarity. Maybe it's because I don't follow the Olympics closely. Either way (oh, and the IP's alt below works too):
- ALT 2:... that the restrictions of the alcohol laws of Utah caused an International Olympic Committee official to complain before the 2002 Winter Olympic Games? Bsimmons666 (talk) 00:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- ALT:... that before the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, Utah, the U.S. state's alcohol-related restrictions caused an official with the International Olympic Committee to complain? --74.13.125.218 (talk) 16:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- alt: ... that William Sudell's' actions led to the introduction of professionalism in football? Oldelpaso (talk) 19:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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- According to Australian Dictionary of Biography Lee was fatally wounded, thus it was no "attempt". Manxruler (talk) 07:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- It was an "assassination attempt". Lee was fatally wounded in an "assassination attempt". AdjustShift (talk) 13:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- The point is that saying it was an attempt carries the implication that it was unsuccesful. Since Lee died that would be untrue, so we can just say "during the assassination of". David Underdown (talk) 14:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, David Underdown. ALT1:
- ... that Frederick Hamilton March was awarded the Empire Gallantry Medal for his conduct during the assassination of Sir Lee Stack? AdjustShift (talk) 15:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
This hook version is verified. Manxruler (talk) 02:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- feel free to change the hook to the more specific ALT: ... that detection of fungal infection by the wood-decay fungus Fuscoporia torulosa (pictured) can be performed in six hours using the polymerase chain reaction? Sasata (talk) 07:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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Size, date, and source are in order. Image is fine. Law shoot! 09:28, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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Article has only been expanded 1.8x. Shubinator (talk) 04:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- I would like to withdraw my nomination. I thought that 5x's meant has it been expanded five times. I didn't know that it meant five times its size. I appologize for my oversight. --Pinkkeith (talk) 15:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT1: ... that Joe Dini, the owner of Dini's Lucky Club, a casino in Yerington, Nevada, was the longest serving member of the Nevada State Assembly? kelapstick (talk) 22:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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Date, five-fold expansion and sources all check out. Cbl62 (talk) 05:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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- According to the comma article, that hook should have two more commas, which would seem to be too many. So maybe we should move "so far", like this: ALT1:... that so far there have been more than 20 arsons in the Coatesville, Pennsylvania, area since January 1, 2009, and 15 reported arsons there in 2008? Art LaPella (talk) 20:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- Works for me. --Hunter Kahn (talk) 00:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Note that despite his edit, his version still doesn't still doesn't have the two commas I discussed, and my version does. Art LaPella (talk) 05:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, I guess I misunderstood. Better now? --Hunter Kahn (talk) 15:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Better. Art LaPella (talk) 21:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, I guess I misunderstood. Better now? --Hunter Kahn (talk) 15:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Note that despite his edit, his version still doesn't still doesn't have the two commas I discussed, and my version does. Art LaPella (talk) 05:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Works for me. --Hunter Kahn (talk) 00:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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- A frontpage ad in Wikipedia for a newly released album? --74.13.125.218 (talk) 16:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- How the heck is this an "ad"? It's just an interesting fact on the song. I've submitted plenty of similar hooks regarding new songs, and they've all gone through without a hitch (see Shuttin' Detroit Down as an example from last week). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 02:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah am puzzled too, the song is notable, Rascal Flatts is notable, and being a finalist in AI is notable. Hell, more people know about Chris Sligh than about wikipedia, so I doubt we are advertising. Maybe the other way around :P--Cerejota (talk) 03:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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- What do you mean by "overshadowed"? Too subjective? --74.13.125.218 (talk) 16:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Better? --Hunter Kahn (talk) 04:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "overshadowed"? Too subjective? --74.13.125.218 (talk) 16:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- I'm delighted to see Cappy get a better article. I'd suggest adding the word "basketball" somewhere, and to make up for this you could delete "trademark" since you're already mentioning that he was known for the weave, and condense in a few other places. So how about:
- ALT: ... that "Cappy" Cappon, known for his "five-man weave" basketball offense, was mentor to Princeton athletes from the 1930s to the 1960s, including Bill Bradley and Frank Deford? --Arxiloxos (talk) 22:33, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- The alt hook is fine with me. And I agree with Arxilo's comment. It's amazing how many significant people just have totally bare bones one sentence stubs. Cbl62 (talk) 01:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Alternate hook (tense might need to change depending on the date used): ... that betting in the 2009 Kentucky Derby will begin on February 12? cmadler (talk) 20:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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- (nb: in the older version, the last paragraph is a list--I don't know if it all technically counts as readable prose)
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- Alternate hook suggested: ... that Alan Scott designed and built brick ovens and promoted artisanal baking? Bongomatic 10:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- Another alternate hook: ... that Alan Scott was a blacksmith who designed and built brick ovens and promoted artisanal bread-making techniques and stone flour milling at the Callington Mill? Bongomatic 05:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Er... "winningest"? - Mark 03:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- It's a recognized word according to Merriam Websters meaning "having the most wins" --http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/winningest , and it's more compact than other variants. If others have an alt phrasing, feel free.Cbl62 (talk) 03:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- It's North American sports vocab, Mark. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 05:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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Accepted, except that the references should be properly formatted. At least there should be no bare URLs. Punkmorten (talk) 10:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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- ... that Mark Pollock is the first blind person to reach the South Pole (pictured)? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 15:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Proposed rephrasing: ... that footballer Howard Matthews was aged 40 when he rejoined Port Vale in October 1926 as a professional player, over 19 years since he was released from the club? ("Signed professional forms" was unclear to me; it's easy to sign forms at any age, but harder to actually play the sport.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Alternative #1: ... that Phoebe Omlie set the record for the highest parachute jump by a female, when she jumped from her plane at 15,200 feet on July 10, 1922? - auburnpilot talk
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Date, length and source verified. Cbl62 (talk) 05:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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Size ok, and hook fact is present in article and cited. Reference verified. Oceanh (talk) 19:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC).
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Article currently tagged for tone. Otherwise, date, length & hook (to the obituary) confirmed. Mitico (talk, contribs) 22:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- I've finished my re-work of the article and removed the tone tag (I'm the one who added it to begin with) as it has been addressed. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Improvements look good. Ready to go. -Mitico (talk, contribs) 22:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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Length and history verified; source verified using Google Books. Awadewit (talk) 11:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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Length, date verified. Hook AGF'd. Mitico (talk, contribs) 22:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Proposed rephrasing: ... that Bobby Atherton was the last Hibernian Football Club captain to lead the team to victory in the Scottish Cup, in 1902? (Reason for the rephrasing: to indicate what sport this was, and to avoid suggesting that he won the cup by himself.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:44, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
- Accepted. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 10:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Proposed rephrasing: ... that Bobby Atherton was the last Hibernian Football Club captain to lead the team to victory in the Scottish Cup, in 1902? (Reason for the rephrasing: to indicate what sport this was, and to avoid suggesting that he won the cup by himself.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:44, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT1: ... that between 4,000 and 7,000 Filipinos live in Palau? SpencerT♦C 20:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that the Philippine Overseas Labor Office estimates that 80% of Filipinos in Palau are undocumented immigrants? SpencerT♦C 20:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
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Expansion, date and hook ref verified. --Bruce1eetalk 14:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Please credit User:D-Day as the creator. Royalbroil 15:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- If possible, I would appreciate if the article could run on Sunday February 15th - the day of NASCAR's biggest race - the 2009 Daytona 500. The race runs during the second half (UTC) of the day. Please don't kill too many brain cells trying to figure out the time. Royalbroil 05:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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- ... that the seafaring adventures of Anne Jane Thornton (pictured) inspired the ballad The Female Sailor Bold? - new, self-nom by Xn4 (talk) 07:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Date, length, and sources for hook all check out. Cbl62 (talk) 05:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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- ... that John McFarland was turned down in his request to play in the Ontario Hockey League as a 15-year-old because of a Hockey Canada provision? New article, self-nom by -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 09:04, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "arcane"? Pls elaborate, esp. in the article. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 05:17, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- Alternated the word; word from en:wiktionary. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 05:31, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- I know the word. Why do you call that arcane? That's a journalist's POV. All rules are equally presented in a rulebook. More info on this is needed in the article to explain what "arcane/obscure" rule it was. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 12:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- I can't find any information about the provision being arcane, so I'll just delete that part. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 00:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- But then why is this special? Kids usually enter the OHL when they are 16/17. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 02:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Because it's a provision. Only a few players have joined the CHL when they were 15 or younger (ie. John Tavares). -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- But then why is this special? Kids usually enter the OHL when they are 16/17. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 02:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- I can't find any information about the provision being arcane, so I'll just delete that part. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 00:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- I know the word. Why do you call that arcane? That's a journalist's POV. All rules are equally presented in a rulebook. More info on this is needed in the article to explain what "arcane/obscure" rule it was. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 12:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- Alternated the word; word from en:wiktionary. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 05:31, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Added a pic of Baez. Better if the right third of the pic can be cropped off. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 05:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- ... that the RTÉ television series The Great Escape follows families as they relocate to countries such as South Africa, Australia, Austria, Italy, France and Spain? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 05:49, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
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- A softer sell and harder information are better suited to Wikipedi'a Main Page.--Wetman (talk) 07:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- Do you have an alt hook suggestion?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT1: ... that Polish historian, army officer and independence activist Wacław Lipiński joined the anti-communist resistance, was arrested by communist secret police in 1947 and died in prison two years later? --Poeticbent talk 04:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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5x and date check out. AGF on hook (offline source). Interesting hook, by the way. Law shoot! 20:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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This is an interesting article of sufficient length and it's referenced. But don't you think this image is better? I'll leave that to you. This is my first review so a second opinion is welcome. Fipplet (talk) 07:57, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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- This fact comes from page 84 and 85 of Wang Zhongshu's Han Civilization (1982). Translated by K.C. Chang and Collaborators. New Haven and London: Yale University Press. ISBN 0300027230.
This version is a 260 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 04:31, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
- Alright then; this new reduction should be sufficient. Although I'd like more detail, I'm much more interested in passing this as a DYK.--Pericles of AthensTalk 09:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
- You still around? The new version is acceptable, no?--Pericles of AthensTalk 23:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- I do basic proofreading, not approvals. Those who do approvals usually wait until an article nears the bottom of the page. The deliberately vague rule is "about 200 characters". When a hook is only a little over 200, I don't say anything, but other editors often do. Art LaPella (talk) 01:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- You still around? The new version is acceptable, no?--Pericles of AthensTalk 23:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- This fact comes from page 84 and 85 of Wang Zhongshu's Han Civilization (1982). Translated by K.C. Chang and Collaborators. New Haven and London: Yale University Press. ISBN 0300027230.
- ALT1: ... that merchants from ancient India brought Roman goods of styrax and frankincense to the Han Dynasty (202 BCE – 220 CE) of China?--Pericles of AthensTalk 19:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- This fact comes from page 63 of Liu, Xinru's Ancient India and Ancient China: Trade and Religious Exchanges: AD 1–600 (1988). Delhi and New York: Oxford University Press. ISBN 019562050X.--Pericles of AthensTalk 19:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- Comment It's a substantial new article, and well cited, but surely the title should be Economy of Han Dynasty China or Economy of China under the Han Dynasty? Looking at the new hook, it seems to me that merchants don't take goods to a dynasty, any more than a dynasty has an economy! Xn4 (talk) 09:31, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
- Wikipedia must follow consensus of reliable sources; most sinologists refer to the Chinese empires as "dynasties". As flawed as that may be, that is how they are referred to.--Pericles of AthensTalk 18:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
- Sinologists talk about China and nothing else, so just "Han Dynasty" would be fine. For the general reader of the main page of an encyclopedia, a little more context is needed. Suggest page title as Economy of China during the Han Dynasty. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 06:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- This isn't exactly the best place for this discussion. This is a DYK talk page. Please, if you want to discuss this, move it to the article talk page.--Pericles of AthensTalk 17:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- But this determines how we wikify the hook! Anyhow, I suggest "... lacquerwares of '''[[Economy of China during the Han Dynasty|China during the Han Dynasty]]'''..." or "... that '''[[Economy of China during the Han Dynasty|Han Chinese]]''' lacquerwares..." and "... styrax and frankincense to '''[[Economy of China during the Han Dynasty|China during the Han Dynasty]]'''...?". --74.13.125.218 (talk) 07:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- Please do not add any more red links, it's giving me a headache just looking at them! Also, you still don't understand the meaning of the Han "dynasty"; "Han" is not the name of some sort of royal family (which is the Liu 劉 family in this case). "Han" is in reference to a specific political and geographic entity, the Kingdom of Han in Hanzhong (modern Shaanxi), which the Han Dynasty's name is derived from. Therefore, "Han Dynasty" and "Han Empire" are virtually synonymous terms. Case closed; there is no need to move this article and in fact, it will not be moved, since it conforms with other articles such as Economy of the Song Dynasty and Economy of the Ming Dynasty.--Pericles of AthensTalk 08:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- PericlesofAthens, I am Chinese. And the name of the country and the regime, in the place known as China, was "Han", "Song" and "Ming" in different eras, not "Han Dynasty", "Song Dynasty" and "Ming Dynasty". IMO, Economy of the Song Dynasty and Economy of the Ming Dynasty should be moved, too. Anyway, please consider my hook (ALT2). It comes with a picture more related to the "economy". --74.13.125.218 (talk) 16:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Please do not add any more red links, it's giving me a headache just looking at them! Also, you still don't understand the meaning of the Han "dynasty"; "Han" is not the name of some sort of royal family (which is the Liu 劉 family in this case). "Han" is in reference to a specific political and geographic entity, the Kingdom of Han in Hanzhong (modern Shaanxi), which the Han Dynasty's name is derived from. Therefore, "Han Dynasty" and "Han Empire" are virtually synonymous terms. Case closed; there is no need to move this article and in fact, it will not be moved, since it conforms with other articles such as Economy of the Song Dynasty and Economy of the Ming Dynasty.--Pericles of AthensTalk 08:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- But this determines how we wikify the hook! Anyhow, I suggest "... lacquerwares of '''[[Economy of China during the Han Dynasty|China during the Han Dynasty]]'''..." or "... that '''[[Economy of China during the Han Dynasty|Han Chinese]]''' lacquerwares..." and "... styrax and frankincense to '''[[Economy of China during the Han Dynasty|China during the Han Dynasty]]'''...?". --74.13.125.218 (talk) 07:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- This isn't exactly the best place for this discussion. This is a DYK talk page. Please, if you want to discuss this, move it to the article talk page.--Pericles of AthensTalk 17:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Sinologists talk about China and nothing else, so just "Han Dynasty" would be fine. For the general reader of the main page of an encyclopedia, a little more context is needed. Suggest page title as Economy of China during the Han Dynasty. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 06:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Wikipedia must follow consensus of reliable sources; most sinologists refer to the Chinese empires as "dynasties". As flawed as that may be, that is how they are referred to.--Pericles of AthensTalk 18:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
- Comment It's a substantial new article, and well cited, but surely the title should be Economy of Han Dynasty China or Economy of China under the Han Dynasty? Looking at the new hook, it seems to me that merchants don't take goods to a dynasty, any more than a dynasty has an economy! Xn4 (talk) 09:31, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
- This fact comes from page 63 of Liu, Xinru's Ancient India and Ancient China: Trade and Religious Exchanges: AD 1–600 (1988). Delhi and New York: Oxford University Press. ISBN 019562050X.--Pericles of AthensTalk 19:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
![a bronze wushu coin from the Han Dynasty](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Hancoin1large.jpg/100px-Hancoin1large.jpg)
- ALT2:... that the bronze wushu coin (pictured), first issued in 119 BC during the Han Dynasty, remained the standard coin for China until the Tang Dynasty (618–907 CE)? --74.13.125.218 (talk) 07:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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Date, size and source check out. (I added a named ref to end of fact sentence) Law shoot! 21:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- To be specific, it was the last Great Auk in the British Isles, but not the last in the world. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- You are absolutely correct--slip occured, I guess, because I'd made a reference to England a few words before. Sorry about that and thanks for catching it. If Shubinator will allow it, please insert that phrase, and thanks again. Drmies (talk) 18:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- To be specific, it was the last Great Auk in the British Isles, but not the last in the world. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Article has only been expanded 4x, 3.8x if block quote not counted. Shubinator (talk) 18:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- I counted some 260 words in the original and some 1800 in the lastest version (incl. quote). It is entirely possible that I did not count so correctly, and I think my high count includes the references and templates. When I did the math at nomination time, I though I was at something like 4.5 times the earlier version, but hoped that the significant increase in references, from 2 to 18, would make up for that. If it doesn't, though luck. And I thought the hook was really cool. Thanks anyway. Drmies (talk) 18:31, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- The prosesize tool gives 4631/1163 = 4.0x. It doesn't count the block quote at the end, but it does count the poem near the start (which maybe should be a block quote). Some exceptional 4x expansions have been approved. This article is nice, but it has a few run-on sentences and the climbing section could have a more encyclopedic tone. I'll leave the final decision to the other DYK editors. Shubinator (talk) 19:09, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- I've reorganized one sentence that you might have thought was a run-on, and added a word or two (so maybe I'm at 4.1 now;)). If there are any run-ons I'd love to know (since I teach upper-level advanced grammar at a state university I'm interested in this stuff). I've also reorganized the 'people' section a bit. As for the climbing section, it's pretty heavily footnoted and I wouldn't consider it not encyclopedic enough, but that's a matter of taste/judgment perhaps. If it's good enough, great; if not, I'm moving on to the next stack in the archipelago. Well, I'll do that anyway. Drmies (talk) 22:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't find any run-on sentences, but I have often complained that editors on this page use "run-on" to mean "convoluted". Art LaPella (talk) 04:31, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
- I did. The article was so decorated with semicolons and other advanced level punctuation and conjunctive devices that no product of the American education system could have understood it. I had to do some aggresive pruning and reorganization, and I'm now confident that we the simple people can comprehend something about how this is an island with birds on it. The little engine that could and Curious George would be proud Drmies. It's like a gift from Sinterklaas. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:09, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- Once again, "run-on" doesn't mean "convoluted". "... no product of the American education system could have understood it" means "convoluted". "run-on" is described in the run-on sentence article, and you can't communicate with a grammar teacher when confusing the two. Art LaPella (talk) 06:17, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- I bow to your immensity, oh CoM... It IS indeed an island with birds on it! And they are tasty too: reportedly they ate porridge with penguin there. Oh, after CoM's expansions the article got a bit longer, with a better lead. nudge nudge... Drmies (talk) 00:58, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Expansion, history, reference good. The images in the article should be sorted out though...they're a mess now. I like the infobox. Shubinator (talk) 01:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- Ha, I wish I could take credit for the box. Well, I could, but I'd be lying. What is the problem with the images? I really don't know what to do, and to my untrained eye they look fine. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- I've moved some of the images around. It's still a bit crowded; probably best to take out a picture or two. Shubinator (talk) 07:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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Fact is first sentence in "State adaptation." No inline citation is provided. Law shoot! 22:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Well, a citation IS provided a sentence over (I'm not a big fan of using the same citation 2 statements in a row) and almost every other ref in the section will verify that it is true. However, a citation has been added. -- Scorpion0422 23:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
All checks out. I'm not a fan of 2 in a row either -- it looks like your references are still staggered. Good work. Law shoot! 01:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- ... that Rinku Singh and Dinesh Patel became the first Indians to sign professional baseball contracts after throwing a baseball for the first time in a contest? --expansion nom, Grsz11Review 18:53, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- Alt Hook 1 ... that Rinku Singh and Dinesh Patel became the first Indians to sign professional baseball contracts, signing with the Pittsburgh Pirates after winning a contest in India.?
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Added "World War I" to hook. Date and hook reference ok, I get 1,471 chararcters of prose and it's marked as a stub. XLerate (talk) 06:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- Article is not wikilinked in the hook. Apterygial 06:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- But it is wikilinked through a redirect. The visible text "World War Memorial" conforms to Additional Rule B3, and debating whether it should be piped would violate the admittedly controversial but still on-the-books guideline WP:R2D. Art LaPella (talk) 06:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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Length and date ok, offline hook reference in good faith. XLerate (talk) 06:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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Length, date and hook reference all ok. XLerate (talk) 05:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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Date, length, and source for hook all check out. Cbl62 (talk) 05:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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The person who wrote the entry on Moss for the website used as a source throughout the article has an undergraduate degree in music and is a high school teacher. I'm not sure why we are using this source, as this person is not an expert in history or African-American studies. Awadewit (talk) 09:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- It's on a site directed by Quintard Taylor, probably the leading authority on Washington state African American history. The article is used for simple, uncontroversial facts (what organizations he worked for; what political offices he held); this is the sort of thing it would be hard to get wrong. It's the kind of facts we would readily take from (for example) a newspaper profile. I believe nothing
statedcited from that source in the article gets into the realm of the even mildly controversial, so I did not search for an unimpeachable source. I've seem most of these facts stated in a recent exhibit that has appeared at the Washington State Historical Museum and now at the Northwest African American History Museum, but there seems to be no catalogue for the exhibit, and museum wall texts don't seem like a convenient citation. - Jmabel | Talk 15:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC) - Nonetheless, I will look for further citation. - Jmabel | Talk 17:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- It's on a site directed by Quintard Taylor, probably the leading authority on Washington state African American history. The article is used for simple, uncontroversial facts (what organizations he worked for; what political offices he held); this is the sort of thing it would be hard to get wrong. It's the kind of facts we would readily take from (for example) a newspaper profile. I believe nothing
- I've now added considerably more citation to the article. Unfortunately, so far I haven't found anything as synoptic as the article I originally used, and that article's cited sources are not available online. I've asked a librarian friend if she can help me track them down. I've now cited certainly reliable sources for the recall and appointment; I haven't found anything other than my original source that mentions his original unsuccessful 1969 run. For whatever it's worth, I've seen campaign literature from that run, but don't have it at hand to cite. Two such items can actually be seen in the background (to his right) in Commons:File:Harold Moss 07A.jpg. - Jmabel | Talk 23:18, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT1:... that Sōya was the ship that survived a torpedoing by the USS Greenling in 1943 and rescued the Sakhalin Huskies Taro and Jiro from Antarctica in 1958? Art LaPella (talk) 20:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2:... that the Japanese icebreaker Sōya survived a torpedoing by the USS Greenling in 1943 and rescued the Sakhalin Huskies Taro and Jiro from Antarctica in 1958? Manxruler (talk) 20:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- combinedfleet.com is reliable. I like Alt2, by the way. —Ed 17 (Talk / Contribs) 02:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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Length, date verified. Hook's offline ref accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- ... that in addition to designing stamps (pictured), Armenian painter Arshak Fetvadjian also painted the monuments of the medieval Armenian city of Ani? 5x expansion, self-nom., --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 21:57, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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- alt: ... that Christ Bongo has been featured in lists of unusually named footballers? Oldelpaso (talk) 15:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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- alt 1 ... that Ernie Vick (pictured) was an All-American football center at the University of Michigan and a catcher for the 1926 St. Louis Cardinals World Series championship team?
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- ALT1: If the article cannot be linked to twice in the hook, the following could also be used: "... that American composer Danny Elfman was nominated for an Emmy Award in 1990 for creating "The Simpsons Theme" and in 2005 for the Desperate Housewives theme? -Whataworld06 (talk) 01:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Wish this hook was available when the Beijing Olympics opened last August. :) --74.13.125.218 (talk) 07:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
The article does not contain an inline citation for the fact sentence. Law shoot! 09:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Added. --Nlu (talk) 17:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Date, size, hook verified. Law shoot! 19:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- I suggest a shortener hook of 185 characters:
- ALT1: ... that Yohannan Sulaqa, to oppose the hereditary patriarchal succession, took a step unprecedented in the Church of the East: traveled to Rome and was there consecrated patriarch in 1553? A ntv (talk) 02:21, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Church of the East is a disambiguation page. That is, if a reader clicks it, he will have to guess which link will lead to a description of this church. After reading the article, I think it should be encoded as [[Chaldean Catholic Church|Church of the East]]. Is that right? Art LaPella (talk) 03:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- Actually Yohannan Sulaqa splitted in two the Church of East: so to say that the true Church of East is the Chaldean Catholic Church is a POV and to say that it is the Assyrian Church of the East is a POV. I used Church of East to be NPOV. Anyway I've edited Article Church of the East and put as first meaning the Church before the splittings (that happened in 1553, 1681, 1830, 1968) so the problem is solved. A ntv (talk) 10:04, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- I suggest a shortener hook of 185 characters:
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Date, fact, and size check out. Law shoot! 20:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT1: ... that the Zen rock garden (pictured) in the grounds of Zuisen-ji temple, Japan, is a nationally designated Place of Scenic Beauty? Redtigerxyz Talk 13:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Date, length and this hook check out. AGF on offline fact source. I added links in the hook. Law shoot! 19:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the Zen rock garden (pictured) in the grounds of Zuisen-ji temple, Japan, is a nationally designated Place of Scenic Beauty? Redtigerxyz Talk 13:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
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Looks like the fact is the last sentence in the lead. I believe an inline citation should be provided. Law shoot! 19:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Reference added. --JD554 (talk) 08:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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- The suggested pic is ill-suited for use at 100px. This (File:Dreierprofil.jpg) may be better. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 05:48, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- Fine by me; I have substituted the image.Maias (talk) 23:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- The picture of the meat was better than the picture of the birds. This article is about eating puffins. Am I not correct? If so I say go with the first pic. Dincher (talk) 02:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- The pic of the meat is more specific to the article, true. However, as I understood it, the problem as suggested above is that the size on the main page would be too small for people to see what it is of properly. Anyway, I have switched it back. Either way does not bother me.Maias (talk) 03:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- ... that Irish students have recently set up Free Education for Everyone (FEE), an anti-tuition fee activist organisation which has successfully blockaded some prominent members of the ruling Fianna Fáil party? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 02:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Since the 2009 issue debuts on the 10th, do we want this on the main page on that date?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Date, length, reference checks. Royalbroil 05:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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Does "aviatic miting" mean "aviation meeting"? Art LaPella (talk) 06:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- Ye it does. Sorry. Mario1987 09:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Romanian composer, aviator, writer and parachutist Ionel Fernic wrote over 400 romances and songs? (moved from duplicate section below) Shubinator (talk) 18:01, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
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Length, date and hook ref verified. --Bruce1eetalk 09:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
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Good to go. Reworded the hook a bit. Chamal talk 11:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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Another Lisa Hannigan article for DYK... choice of picture... or could the two somehow be included in the format shown?
- ... that Irish musicians Lisa Hannigan and Damien Rice dueted on "Unplayed Piano", a Burmese protest song that charted in the UK and was praised by The Independent as "a twinkly and beautiful thing"? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 12:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Length, date & hook verified. A rare co-write, interesting...I have substituted the word "duo" for "musicians" to avoid "duo" and "deuted" dueling in the hook. -Mitico (talk, contribs) 13:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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Length, date & hook verified. -Mitico (talk, contribs) 13:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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- I linked the Britishism "side" so Americans can understand it. In U.S. English, "side" can mean "team", but only when distinguishing opponents, not when no specific opponent is involved. Art LaPella (talk) 20:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- Why not just say "team"? There's no compelling reason why "side" needs to be used if it's unclear..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:59, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- The fact that an English player joined an American team isn't very eye-catching. Punkmorten (talk) 08:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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- ... that the architect Maxwell Ayrton's 20th century chapel for Gresham's School, constructed in knapped flint and limestone (flushwork), is now a listed building? - new, self-nom by Xn4 (talk) 14:32, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- (Comment) The length, creation history and ref for the chapel are fine. I'm undecided, though ... I feel a more interesting hook could be found. He worked on the old Wembley Stadium – an iconic, (inter?)nationally important structure. He also did some work at Roedean School and Lancing College, among others ([1], [2]). The school chapel doesn't seem to have any particularly noteworthy features as listed buildings go, certainly in comparison with Wembley. This confirms he designed it jointly with others in his architectural partnership. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Alt ... that the architect Maxwell Ayrton co-designed the old Wembley Stadium of 1923 (detail pictured) with his partner John William Simpson? - new, self-nom by Xn4 (talk) 23:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
That's an interesting hook! And Wembley stadium IS internationally known. Royalbroil 04:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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Length, date verified; offline reference accepted in good faith. Grsz11 05:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- ... that the discography of Lisa Hannigan (pictured) includes collaborations with Mic Christopher, Mick Flannery, Cathy Davey and members of Snow Patrol and Bell X1, plus her well-known work with Damien Rice? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 13:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
The article is heavily reliant on Rice fan site,[3] personal blog in myspace,[4] and the singer’s own website.[5] --Poeticbent talk 17:09, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Not necessarily. In parts perhaps, although that's more the table featuring her side projects that the opening prose counted for DYK or the article in general. There is one link to her website which actually includes a video of the not particularly controversial performance mentioned. The discography is equally heavily (if not more heavily) reliant on newspaper articles such as this and this and this, television shows such as this and this entry on the website of Snow Patrol who have absolutely no reason to be mentioning someone like Hannigan as they are not associated with her and are much more well-known than her. I also don't know what you mean about the personal blog in MySpace as I cannot recall using one. The link you've provided me with just leads to the general site which only features in the discography as an external link – I presume this wouldn't be a problem with musicians especially considering it has its own template. This is a very unexpected early review which seems to have been done in haste – I also was not informed of the problem on my talk page. I know what it's like to review so don't mean to be critical of reviewers but if I can pick this many holes in a point then something must surely be amiss somewhere? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 19:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
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No, sorry, that hook is just too misleading. Try a hook that has something to do with the article's content, please! Gatoclass (talk) 14:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that while hedgehogs are eaten in some cultures, Hedgehog Pie is not a savory pie made with the meat from the spiny mammals, but a 1970s electric folk group from Newcastle-Upon-Tyne? Wizardman 14:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- Should probably be for April Fools Day and say "Hedgehog Pie is made of 1970s electric folk musicians?"--King Bedford I Seek his grace 14:57, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- Heh, not bad, I guess we could use that or something like it for an April Fool's Day hook. Gatoclass (talk) 10:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Need sth less negative than her banishment from a golf club for this BLP article. --74.14.20.60 (talk) 22:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
- It is referenced. What is "sth"? An alternate hook was that she reportedly agreed to not run for re-election in order to be named (or the Governor named her and stated that she would not run for re-election). Chergles (talk) 15:52, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- "sth"="something". Art LaPella (talk) 20:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- So what if it's referenced? The issue is not verifiability. The problem is an unnecessary focus on the negative. --74.14.21.166 (talk) 08:24, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- It's not really negative. A 3rd possible hook is ALT1: "... that J. Bonnie Newman, who was selected by the Governor of New Hampshire for a vacant Senate seat, was once the congressional aide of the outgoing Senator?" Chergles (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- On second thoughts, JBN probably takes this ban as a badge of honor.... Never mind. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 07:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- This is a negative on the club, not her. Daniel Case (talk) 16:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- On second thoughts, JBN probably takes this ban as a badge of honor.... Never mind. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 07:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- It's not really negative. A 3rd possible hook is ALT1: "... that J. Bonnie Newman, who was selected by the Governor of New Hampshire for a vacant Senate seat, was once the congressional aide of the outgoing Senator?" Chergles (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- As Gregg has just quit as Commerce Secretary, he probably won't need a replacement in the Senate anymore. A new hook is recommended. --PFHLai (talk) 22:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Recommend a more catchy hook. Otherwise, one could say "DYK that Obama is the current U.S. President and Rudd is the current Australian PM?" Chergles (talk) 00:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I can't think of a more catchy hook, after all she hasn't done anything exiting. Most people will probably have heard about Obama, but not many people outside Finland will have heard about Holmlund. ☺ Spiby ☻ 06:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)- Alt: ... that some members of the Finnish Left Alliance called for the resignation of Interior Minister Anne Holmlund after the Kauhajoki school shooting? ☺ Spiby ☻ 07:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I can't see this being supported in the references. Ref 2 is about a rather untrustworthy (500 respondents) poll, and ref 3 mentions only one Left Alliance politician. Punkmorten (talk) 10:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- I added some more refs, though I'm sad to say I didn't save any newspapers from that period, there was quite a media storm. Since the refs don't show that it was the left, I suggest an alternative hook (backed by ref 3). Alt 2: ... that some members of the Finnish Parliament called for the resignation of Interior Minister Anne Holmlund after the Kauhajoki school shooting? ☺ Spiby ☻ 16:07, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- To me that's a negative aspect of a living person. Daniel Case (talk) 16:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think that is a negative aspect, she stood by her decisions and decided not to leave, and her decision was supported by the other ministers. I won't be offended if you drop this, but it would be nice to have a DYK about something related to Finland seeing that the last one was in August 2008. ☺ Spiby ☻ 10:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Not that it has any impact on this nomination, but that's not true, I DYK'ed Anssi Koivuranta myself exactly one month ago. Punkmorten (talk) 19:20, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think that is a negative aspect, she stood by her decisions and decided not to leave, and her decision was supported by the other ministers. I won't be offended if you drop this, but it would be nice to have a DYK about something related to Finland seeing that the last one was in August 2008. ☺ Spiby ☻ 10:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- To me that's a negative aspect of a living person. Daniel Case (talk) 16:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- (alt.hook)... that when called by the opposition to quit after the Kauhajoki school shooting, Finnish politician Anne Holmlund refused and compared resigning her post as Interior Minister to "desertion"? --PFHLai (talk) 03:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Why focus on the young/immature and uneducated? --74.13.129.109 (talk) 16:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- The focus is clearly on the educated. The reality has to be faced. - Chandan Guha (talk) 02:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- "The reality has to be faced." The purpose of DYK is not to face reality, but to highlight interesting things in new contents of the encyclopedia. Why would such (sad) reality be considered interesting enough to make a DYK hook? It's just an inconvenience to travel a long way to school. This is hardly an aspect of Jangipara one would want to highlight and post on the main page. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 06:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- I reverted "college degree" back to "degree college" because Jangipara is an area, not an individual who could have a college degree. However, "degree college" sounds unfamiliar, at least in U.S. English, so it might be changed to "college that grants degrees" or just "college". Art LaPella (talk) 19:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, deleted "degree" - Chandan Guha (talk) 01:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- I reverted "college degree" back to "degree college" because Jangipara is an area, not an individual who could have a college degree. However, "degree college" sounds unfamiliar, at least in U.S. English, so it might be changed to "college that grants degrees" or just "college". Art LaPella (talk) 19:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
![Antpur Radhagovindjiu temple](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Antpur_Radhagovindjiu_Temple.jpg/100px-Antpur_Radhagovindjiu_Temple.jpg)
- Why not have a paragraph in the article as well as a DYK hook about Antpur? We have a nice pic available (right). --74.13.125.218 (talk) 06:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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- Wow, that's an early discography creation. I suspect it will be added to though. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 22:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I get 1257 characters. Please rectify. I have a better, clearer picture but unfortunately I'm stuck in the middle of it... :( --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 22:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- Hehe, will do. Thanks for the heads up. GARDEN 23:03, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- 1530 now... probably more soon, but that should be fine. GARDEN 23:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Length of the lead exceeds 1500, but there's no inline citation for the sentence which provides the hook (first album of 2009 to début at #1). I checked the closest ref, [10], to see if it was in there, but that just mentioned that it had entered at #1. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:46, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- 1530's so narrowly over that I'm reluctant to promote it, especially with such a backlog. Wizardman 06:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- But 1530 isn't breaking any rules? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- No, except for "In practice, articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting reviewers and administrators." (WP:DYK#Selection criteria) Additional Rules D10 and G4 may also be relevant. Art LaPella (talk) 20:10, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- But the backlog surely isn't that bad? Does it not make more sense to include something which isn't breaking any rules as opposed to wasting more time and surely increasing the backlog by debating it? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- No, except for "In practice, articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting reviewers and administrators." (WP:DYK#Selection criteria) Additional Rules D10 and G4 may also be relevant. Art LaPella (talk) 20:10, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- But 1530 isn't breaking any rules? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- 1530's so narrowly over that I'm reluctant to promote it, especially with such a backlog. Wizardman 06:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- 1530 now... probably more soon, but that should be fine. GARDEN 23:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- Adding a brief discussion of the forthcoming "Farewell to the Fairground" would seem in order, especially given the brief nature of the band's discography, and would alleviate some concerns about length and completeness. - Dravecky (talk) 15:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Special occasion holding area
Articles created/expanded for St. Valentine's Day 2009 (February 14)
- Articles & hooks about love, love songs, romance novels and their authors, chick flicks, chocolate and related cocoa products and their producers, neurochemistry of love, ... etc. are encouraged. Articles about any food (such as mushrooms!) believed to be aphrodisiacs, and hooks about cardiac surgery with a photo of a human heart, ... would be good as well. Biographies of people whose name is "Valentino", "Hart", "Love"... or sounds like "Cupid" might be okay, too. --PFHLai (talk)
See also
- User:AlexNewArtBot/GoodSearchResult – This is an automated list of promising new articles generated by AlexNewArtBot (talk · contribs · logs).
- Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know