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May 29

Request for Feedback: Appalachian State University

A few editors and myself have been slowly working on the Appalachian State University page trying to improve it. The article had not been substantively changed for a long time and failed to reflect a lot of recent changes. I know it needs improvement still but I'm not completely sure what changes can be made.

I intended to use the peer review process, but I realized that it is for articles approaching Featured Article status, and currently I am tryimg to improve a B-class article to A-class or better, so it doesn't really fit that category. And I tried to click the 'request for feedback' link, and it redirected me here.

So basically, I want to have a general idea of where the article needs improvements so I can begin an overhaul of it.

Thanks, DavidSSabb (talk) 01:58, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Any help at all? Or is there somewhere else I need to go? DavidSSabb (talk) 22:50, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Did I put this in the wrong place or what? If so TELL ME. It's the only one being passed over on here. DavidSSabb (talk) 13:21, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Horse racing

For a horse race, which “sport” parameter should I use in the {{current sport}} template? Would “Athletics” be applicable? 71.146.10.213 (talk) 02:34, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

How about using the "image" and "event" parameters instead? Something like {{Current sport|image=Horserace 520133030.jpg|event=horse racing event}}, which displays as...

-- John of Reading (talk) 06:51, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. If you don't mind, I'm going to directly copy-and-paste the above template coding into the article. 71.146.10.213 (talk) 02:52, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

question

i submitted a new page and have no idea on whether it was accpeted or not...can you help?

thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mysunsetswithyou (talk • contribs) 03:11, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Your contribution record shows only your question above, so if you think that you submitted your new page under this account you were unsuccessful. - David Biddulph (talk) 03:23, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

To clarify what David Biddulph said: if you submitted your new page under this account, you did not succeed in submitting it, for some technical reason. This doesn't mean that it was rejected, but that it didn't get as far as being submitted. --ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Image chosen for Facebook post

I noticed that a link to the Wikipedia article on the Strategic Defense Initiative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative) posted on Facebook was accompanied by a portrait of Ronald Reagan, yet that particular image did not appear in the actual article. I was wondering how this image was chosen to be attached to the posting of the link on Facebook (and how the process is done in general).

You'll need to ask whoever made that post on Facebook. RudolfRed (talk) 04:40, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I own a Facebook account and stumbled upon this photo, and I was wondering if it could have something to do with what you were looking for. 71.146.10.213 (talk) 05:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Facebook works with Bing for their map results. So it wouldn't be surprising if they used a Bing cached copy of the article to get the thumbnail. These two companies, Facebook and Microsoft, have nothing to do with Wikipedia. So it's up to them to do things how they want. Dismas|^(talk) 05:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Facebook has many pages called "Strategic Defense Initiative" and you didn't post a link so I don't know which page and image you refer to. This stock answer may or may not be relevant to the unknown Facebook page:

Facebook community pages may incorporate content from Wikipedia— such use complies with Wikipedia policies on reuse of content. We at Wikipedia have no control over how the content is included nor can we help to remove it. Facebook does have a topic on Community pages and profile connections on their Help Center. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:15, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Short references for two books with same author & date

I'm working on an article that cites two books by the same author. Here's how they'll show up in the "works cited" section:

• Lichtheim, Miriam (2006) [1973]. Ancient Egyptian Literature, Volume I: The Old and Middle Kingdoms. University of California Press. ISBN 9780520248427.

• Lichtheim, Miriam (2006) [1976]. Ancient Egyptian Literature, Volume II: The New Kingdom. University of California Press. ISBN 9780520248434.

For the in-line citations, I'm using the Surname-Year format (e.g., "Lichtheim 2006, p. 1"). I'm not sure how, in that short format, I should indicate the distinction between these two books, as they both have a 2006 publication date. Should I do it by volume ("Lichtheim 2006, vol. I, p. 1") or some other way? A. Parrot (talk) 04:24, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I can't answer your question directly, but I did notice that both of the ISBNs that you quoted seem to be invalid. Try 0-520-24842-2 and 0-520-24843-0. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:03, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I have problems with the difference between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13. Because many of the books I'm using only have 10-digit numbers, I tried to make the number of digits consistent by eliminating the first three digits from the 13-digit number. I suppose I shouldn't do that, because it works for some books but not all. A. Parrot (talk) 18:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

In many author-date styles of referencing, lowercase letters are used after the year numbers to distinguish different publications by an author in the same year (see the beginning of Parenthetical referencing#Examples). Your works-cited entries would thus be

• Lichtheim, Miriam (2006a) [1973]. Ancient Egyptian Literature, Volume I: The Old and Middle Kingdoms. University of California Press. ISBN 0-520-24842-2.
• Lichtheim, Miriam (2006b) [1976]. Ancient Egyptian Literature, Volume II: The New Kingdom. University of California Press. ISBN 0-520-24843-0.

and the inline refs would be of the form "Lichtheim 2006a, p. 1". Deor (talk) 15:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. A. Parrot (talk) 18:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Delete USER

I created a USER for myself but for legal reasons must delete it (copyrighted name shown in "View History") - how can I delete a USER so that it is no longer on search-engines - thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.218.245.99 (talk) 07:46, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

How can a name be copyrighted? Do you mean a trademark? Accounts can be renamed but not deleted. See Wikipedia:Changing username. A rename will also change the name shown in page histories. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:10, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

how can i use logitech keyboard singns

hi

i bought new logitech keyboard which has a rupee singn,how can i use it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.176.122.26 (talk) 08:50, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Why not? Press the key and get the desired result wherever it is needed. Dipankan ^{(Have a chat?)} 09:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. Tell them which operating system you have and what happens when you press the key. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:05, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Submitting an article on a renowned individual with the same name as one who lived centuries ago

I'm about to write a biographical entry on an individual who is renowned in his field, but have been hamstrung by the fact that someone with the same name who lived hundreds of years ago is already in Wikipedia. Thus, when I enter his name in the "Is it new?" box, this other person's name appears, and I cannot get permission/authorization to write the article.

What should I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmian (talk • contribs) 09:19, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

What is the name of the person? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 09:35, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

What you would do is disambiguate the two names. Dismas|^(talk) 09:42, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Give your article a different name. So, if you are writing about the singer Engelbert Humperdinck, instead of calling your article Engelbert Humperdinck you would call it Engelbert Humperdinck (singer). Maproom (talk) 09:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Disambiguating articles on people with the same name is a common problem in Wikipedia. The standard solution is to add a profession or job description to the article title, in brackets after the name (e.g. George Washington (inventor)). Other less common solutions are including a middle name in the article title (e.g. Charles Galton Darwin), including a title (e.g. Sir Peter Parker, 1st Baronet) or adding dates to the article title (e.g. Winston Churchill (1620–1688)). Gandalf61 (talk) 09:53, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Or John Sherman (Ohio).--Wehwalt (talk) 15:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Addition of an Article

Hi Team

I had recently uploaded an article to be added into Wiki.

I do not see this article being added. COuld you tell me the criteria / procedures for an article to be added?

The article I had requested to be added is titled Dr Sita Bhateja.

Kindly advise — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.241.124.195 (talk) 12:40, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dr Sita Bhateja.--ukexpat (talk) 16:11, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Please, change this SEMI-PROTECTED page?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan

Hello.I'm a citizen of Turkey.I request that you change the false information on the "Kurdistan" page.There is not a part of Kurdistan in Turkey, there wasn't and there never will be.Sorry to bother you but this isn't right.I'm even thinking to hire lawyers to change this situation.I hope that false information will get fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.233.85.26 (talk) 13:18, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I think you'll find there's fairly good evidence for the existence of Turkish Kurdistan. In addition, please retract your legal threat above immediately - per WP:NLT, such threats will lead to you being blocked from editing. Yunshui ?‍? 13:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

help

i am trying to add a page and cannot for the life of me do this...i thought i upoaded correctly, but i received a note i couldnt figure out, can someone please help? thanks! Mysunsetswithyou (talk) 13:34, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Your contribution history shows no edits other than to this page, so you indeed did not succeed in submitting the page. However, it is hard for anybody to know what happened without more information. However the problem might be simply that you are not yet autoconfirmed: in that case, make another eight edits (anywhere) and wait for four days. --ColinFine (talk) 17:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Submitted Changes but now not showing

Hi, I submitted my editing changes to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalahari_Resorts and then they were all there for a few days, but now it is the old information. How do I get the new info to stick?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.13.156.125 (talk) 14:03, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

As the edit removing your changes states "removing blatant advertizing" - Wikipedia is not an advertizing medium and any such changes will always be removed. Arjayay (talk) 14:14, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Carpenter Bees

I would like to add a comment about a natural way to control Carpenter Bees. How and where do I make a suggestion that would be added to this category? Thx, Ed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.55.87.15 (talk) 14:41, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

You could add a new section to Talk:Carpenter bee, but please provide a reference to a reliable source for the information you want to add. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:11, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

You can also edit the article yourself. Go to Carpenter bee, click "edit this page" at the top. Good luck. Cresix (talk) 15:13, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

It's not quite clear from your wording what kind of information you are wanting to add. If it is a discussion about a method of control that has been studied or used and reported in reliable sources, then you are welcome to add it. But if it is original research, or if it is in the nature of a "how to" section, please don't, as it will probably be swiftly removed. --ColinFine (talk) 17:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Redirecting

I created a new webpage today, when I went to go back and check on it, it kept redirecting me to a related webpage. Why does this keep happening? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amorrison24 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

It was redirected because her company is the only notable thing about her. You can see this. --Thine Antique Pen (talk • contributions) 15:51, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Spectreman production credits

On the Spectreman page there is a paragraph for the U.S. 1978 release of the show on TBS. I can't find any credits for the person or group who wrote the english language theme song either here on on the web. I thought that perhaps the person who originally wrote the article may have some ideas since they seem to have knowledge of other things the song writer(s) have done. How can I contact them? - dstaples111 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstaples111 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

A better place to ask that question would be WP:RD/E. Cresix (talk) 16:06, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Avoiding COI with new article

I work for a small non-profit organization in Philadelphia, PA called Federation Early Learning Services, formerly Federation Day Care Services. We run eight child care centers, four after school programs and, until very recently when our grant ran out, assisted other child care facilities to identify and assist children with developmental and behavioral difficulties. This non-profit has been in existence for over 100 years and serves approximately 1,000 children a year. When we commemorated our founding last year it occurred to me that such a long standing local institution should have a Wikipedia article. This is of course where a few concerns popped up for me. Firstly, I know that Wikipedia volunteer editors are very sensitive to bias and to information submitted by company employees for obvious reasons. Second my knowledge of the coding language used to make an article look complete, i.e. inserting images, creating references, etc, is practically non-existent and we don't have anyone who works for us at present who could step in to help me.

I can provide unbiased information, sans superlative adjectives and preferential statements as I take Wikipedia's neutrality very seriously myself. However I don't have the skills to get the information on there and I don't know how to ensure the article won't get blocked or deleted by an editor who feels I may be a nefarious person uploading inaccurate info en masse? The Article Wizard suggests: "If you feel you, your organization, or your friend, band, or site are notable, please consider asking a neutral third party (ideally an uninvolved Wikipedia editor who has edited similar articles) for their opinion before proposing an article on the subject." So how do I do this? Is there someone to whom I can submit documents detailing our history that could determine whether it warrants an article or can create one for us if deemed worthwhile?

Any assistance or advice would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CommCoor (talk • contribs) 16:39, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

See WP:Requested articles.--ukexpat (talk) 17:23, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Idea

I see Wikipedia uses PHP. Does it use a parser like the parser.php in punBB? if so, could we have:

//(.*?) <!--$1-->

in the WikiText parser? EDIT: the thing doesn't want to be shown. just click edit this section. I also hope I got the page right... Finding a page to talk about this is hard. Can't talk on the main page, or questions... 96.5.166.66 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:46, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

(I added 'nowiki' codes round your sample, so that it would appear). I don't know what you are trying to achieve by those - the first appears to be a regular expression and the second an HTML comment - but Wikipedia uses Mediawiki markup. It is completely irrelevant what language it happens to be written in, and what else might happen to be written in the same language. Mediawiki could be written in Perl, Java or .net and yet appear exactly the same.

If there is a specific technical enhancement you are asking for, WP:VP/T is a good place to ask. --ColinFine (talk) 17:35, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

My signature doesn't work

I recently changed my username from Hysteria18 to Arms & Hearts; I'm trying to change my signature accordingly but to no avail. My current signature is:

– [[User:Hysteria18|hysteria18]] ([[User talk:Hysteria18|talk]])

I'd like to change it to

– [[User:Arms & Hearts|Arms & Hearts]] ([[User talk:Arms & Hearts|talk]])

but keep receiving an error telling me: Invalid raw signature. Check HTML tags. Any ideas? – hysteria18 (talk) 17:24, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

It's expecting the ampersand to be followed by a special character code. Try replacing it with & — Frankie (talk) 17:49, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, brilliant, thanks. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:59, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Michele Marziani

I created a page on writer Michele Marziani by translating a page already exhisting on Wikipedia in Italian language. Why is mr. Dennisthe2 going to delete it by laking of sources ? isatam

Isatam (talk) 18:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

For that exact reason, there are no sources. You must provide reliable sources which establish that the person is notable. We can't just take your word for it. See also, WP:BLP. Also, if kept, the article should be moved to the proper title. Right now his last name is not capitalized. Dismas|^(talk) 18:51, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

The source of translated pages must be attributed. I have done this at Talk:Michele Marziani. See Wikipedia:Translation#How to translate. The Italian and English Wikipedia have different policies. The article will be deleted if no sources are added. I have moved it to the proper capitalization Michele Marziani and made some cleanup but it still needs work and especially sources. See Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. English sources are preferred but Italian sources are allowed. I don't know Italian. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:49, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Confirming a user is the subject of an article

How does a user go about the process of proving that they're the subject of an article? Who precisely do they need to email? I'm thinking of the recent edits that were made to the page Krista Allen. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 18:48, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

See WP:BIOSELF.--ukexpat (talk) 19:18, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

However, I don't think it makes any difference to anyone whether an editor is recognizes as the subject of an article. There's no privilege or recognition. Salvidrim! 02:48, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Ukexpat. That got me in the right direction. I think that page has been tweaked since the last time I read it. I remember the path to get to an actual email address being more labyrinthine. And Salvidrim, I didn't suggest that they would get any recognition or privilege. I was thinking more about someone trying to WP:OWN an article because it is about them. Dismas|^(talk) 03:16, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

That was mostly my point -- someone trying to prove he is the subject of an article (as your initial question appears to imply) gives the impression he is trying to assert ownership, or at least some measure of control, both of which are not beneficial to the encyclopedia, hence my worries. As it was unclear from the question, I just wanted to ensure you weren't encouraging or enabling that behaviour, but I now see you're perfectly aware of the possible pitfalls and apologize for any assumptions. :) Salvidrim! 03:23, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 - Correct citation of a federal court order

I'm currently in the process of correcting bare url citations on the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 site. On source is an order issued by a federal court blocking the indefinite detention powers of the NDAA. What is the correct citation for this court order? — Preceding unsigned comment added by P3Y229 (talk • contribs) 19:04, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Does {{Cite court}} help?--ukexpat (talk) 19:20, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Not really, because I am not from the United States and therefore not familiar with the U.S. legal system. In this sense I don't know how to use {{Cite court}} correctly. An example: Do I have to mention all plaintiffs and defendants or is there a short version? So: What is the correct citation for this court order? --P3Y229 19:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by P3Y229 (talk • contribs)

Second opinion for images

This one...

or this one?

I'm planning on adding an image to the Charlotte Regional Medical Center article, and I need a second opinion on which one to use. PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 19:24, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

The second one looks much better to me both as to composition and focus. The first is blurry, mis-centered and doesn't show the name clearly.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:38, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

The second, but a cropped version focussing on the building itself. Let me know if you need help with that.--ukexpat (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Cropped version uploaded. Was that what you had in mind? PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 02:56, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Browsing History

Hello

Is there a way to view my browsing history on WP?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.82.5 (talk) 19:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, use your Web browser history. --Jac16888 ^Talk 20:46, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

edits being deleted

twice i have added info on Michael Sheards page and both times it has gone missing. Why is this happening? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chatanga1 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

It is being removed because it is unsourced--Jac16888 ^Talk 20:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

The answer to your question is in the History of the article. When your edits were reverted the editor left an edit summary. You can also use the history to find out who has removed the edits. GB fan 21:00, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Unauthrised Refacatoring

I received Rfc for Talk:Circumcision#1RR_proposal - I responded there!

I then found comments from Pass a Method on my talk page telling me that my response had been moved to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#1_revert_proposal_for_circumcision.

It would appear that some are attempting to hold an Rfc by the back door and being naughty! I responded on the correct page as I did not wish to be dragged into the mess.

Who do I contact - and who gets a smacked bottom? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Media-hound- thethird (talk • contribs) 22:05, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Must we parse this in terms of handing out spankings? I don't think you're going to be sitting down afterwards if we do. The RfC at issue clearly stated, with a link, where you were invited to post to respond to it, which was not at Talk:Circumcision but at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#1 revert proposal for circumcision. You nevertheless posted at that wrong place. The RfC creator, in obvious good faith, politely informed you that you had posted to the wrong place and asked you to move your comment. When you did not respond after an hour, he or she moved your comment to the correct place, without changing it. You're reaction has been to post a nasty warning to the user's talk page of a "breach off [sic] Community Standards", linking to WP:Refactoring. Did you read that page? It talks about good faith, and that refactoring is for "Relocation of material to different sections or pages where it is more appropriate", and not that doing this is any sort of violation of the page which is a how-to guide. As far as I can see, no wrong was done to you at all, and no "breach" of WP:Refactoring occurred. Instead of looking for policies/guidelines/standards that have been "breached" (it's a bad idea to view and treat [most of] our policies and guidelines as statutes that can be breached), ask yourself what the intent was here. Even if the move was maybe a little too bold, because people can be sensitive to other people touching their posts, this was not someone changing your post to say something other than what it did or other chicanery – that's what people cite WP:Refactoring for, in the main. You should go strike your warning and apologize to the user for your overreaction. You could graciously register your disapproval by telling the user that though their actions were obviously in good faith, you really don't like to have your posts moved by anyone and to please not do so in the future. Meanwhile, you can always go remove your own moved post from the correct discussion page. Finally, please note that on Wikipedia we don't really vote exactly. We do have straw polls where people "support" and "oppose" and things in between, but it is intended as a discussion where you are registering your ultimate outcome first and then providing a rationale, evidence, etc. for that outcome. Accordingly, to post simply "support" as you did, means you might as well not have bothered as an unsupported "vote" like this is properly discounted.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Your response is most interesting - I ask "Who do I contact.." - and you do not answer that question.

I note that content has appeared on my user page that is out of sequence. I may have to deal with it through WP:Refactoring. P^)

May I question how long is an acceptable time period for another person to act outwith expected standards? Does that mean I can post on a talk page at 3.00 am and because by 4.00 am I have received no response I can do as I like? Where is the policy on WP:TimePeriod?

The hour referred to was my hour and not owned by any other person. Should I wish to ignore a message does that empower another wiki user to assume that I agree with them?

If I am not even aware of the message it is even more unacceptable and presumptuous. Is such presumption covered by WP:Presumptuousness?

Is that if someone has been about Wiki for a long time, they are defended even when they behave unacceptably?

What do I do about cleaning out the multiple unsolicited emails - parts of Rss feeds that I have had foisted upon me by the conduct of this person? My computer usage and automatic interaction with Wiki are my choice - and it is not acceptable to be buried under Dross because another wikian wishes to push an agenda. Where can I find WP:Unsolisitedjunkmail?

I also note they have been canvassing rather heavily! Jimbo Wales page too! Funny how they say "I need..." and not "Wiikipedia needs..". It does indicate a certain bias!

I asked where is the correct place to have the conduct addressed - not for an opinion, critique or view to be expressed. Could the help desk provide a direct answer?

I also note that the person concerned has not Apologised - but has told me that I was in the wrong! How interesting!

I did look for assistance through Wikipedia For Dummies - it seems that it had the right answer after all.

... and some wonder at the Parlous state of editor retention and concerns about cabals and bureaucracy across Wikiland ! I find it amusing that I was perusing some recommended reading within Wiki Land only today. A case study! There is so much more too!

Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 00:29, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

It appears I am wasting my breath. If you would like to know where to post about this "incident", my best advice is nowhere since you are in the wrong on your talk page and here. The refactoring of my post on your talk page is about the definition of disruptive editing to make a point. But if you want to know where you can report actual problematic editing, you can do so Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. That is where people seek administrative intervention for problematic editing that is not of the simple vandalism sort. You should not do so, and if you do it is sure to boomerang back on you because of the lack of merit and the increasingly tendentious nature of your recent edits, but that is actually the answer to "Who do I contact"?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:52, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the belated answer to the original question!

You're response has been so informative in my ongoing research into Wikipedia, and why it needs reformation.

Is the help desk subject to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution? I would like to raise a few issues and pointers with the right people! Where is the correct place to do that?

I have already discovered The wub.

Please note it is a direct question that requires no opinion - just notice of the correct WP:policy/practice/procedure and a link to the most suitable page. Simples!

I also would welcome any direction to the correct place to look up WP:veiledthreat - WP:bullyingInWikipedia - WP:Beurocrat - or any similar or even synonymous resources. Suggestions welcome!

Thank you for the link to disruptive editing to make a point.... but I already have read all about that. I also discovered this link too Advocacy Editing, for myself. It's a shocker!

And some wonder why there is a need to replace the WP:helpdesk with a better alternative?

Hi! Help desk, thanks for visiting the Teahouse! As an experienced editor, your knowledge is very valuable to new editors. Teahouse Hosts help new editors at the Teahouse and beyond. If you'd like to get involved in assisting new editors at the Teahouse, please learn more here

Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 02:00, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Look me up - you can find out more!

Look up WP:IRONY too ..... it does make me giggle! P^)

Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 02:00, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Please go do something constructive.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:48, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your enlightened response! So which option would you prefer? I walk away and write about just how Technocratic and Systemically biased Wikiland is..... or should I stay and make it batter it? OOPS why would I ask that question on a Brick Wall?

Have you noticed any issues around here with bias?

I did! Have a look here ... sorry if the WP:IRONY is lost on you!

By the way! Did you notice that ""You"" failed to answer the direct questions asked of you.....and you responded with a brick wall!

How telling is that? ... oh! ...and you are the Wikipedia help(?) desk.

WP:IRONY

Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 04:10, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Sigh. The Teahouse is not replacing the help desk. There are many help boards/pages here that are all used for different things. A place like the New Contributors' Help Desk, for instance, is for, well, new contributors. This help desk is a good place for anyone of any experience level here to ask questions about editing or using Wikipedia. The Teahouse is designed to have more of a personal feel. That's why there are "hosts" and "guests" there. The hosts have bios with info about themselves, which helps to foster the personal feel. It's geared toward new editors, I think, but I suppose anyone could ask a question there.

I don't feel this is the venue to continue this discussion, but why do you find Wikipedia (or, as you phrased it, "Wikiland") "Systematically biased"? - Purplewowies (talk) (How's my driving?) 05:34, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

You ask why I find Wikiland systemically biased? Point 1 it is a recognised issue! Wikiland says so of itself. 2. There is so much running around doing wiki things and being wiki oriented that it just gets brushed aside and ignored. It is Ironic that Wikiland says:

"Thus, the idea of systemic bias is more troubling than intentional vandalism; vandalism is readily identified and corrected. The existence of systemic bias means that not only are large segments of the world not participating in the discussion at hand, but that there is a deep-rooted problem in the relationship of Wikipedia and its contributor editors with the world at large."

Wikipedia:Systemic bias#Why it matters and what to do

And it's ironic that for such a big issue - one that is "..more troubling than intentional vandalism", does not even have a barnstar.

You have barnstars for focusing on that globally significant subject "Emo Music" - and many other issues such as Gaming .... both of which have a global place - and yet there is no Barnstar for Systemic Bias. It would seem that Wikiland is Systemically Biased against Tackling Systemic Bias. It just has not noticed! ... that of course is a whole issue in itself.

Why has it not been noticed for so long? It's the equivalent of a group being aware of racism - standing against racism - being ever so happy that they are against racism - and then it gets noticed that Talking The Talk is not the same as Walking the Walk. Of course when that happens there is that old Knee Jerk reaction of It can't be right!

It's fascinating to do a quick google search and find out how many pages have been tagged with {{systemic bias}}. It's even more fascinating to visit some and see why they have been tagged. I suspect that some have been tagged for Political Reasons. Some don't even have an explanation - so unless you have a very high level of expertise in the actual subject you are left in the dark. Some have used it correctly and there is valid discussion of the subject - the concerns - ways to deal with it - sources that have to be sought from other places - even translated. But they are so few as to represent about 1/100000 % of all wiki pages. Hmmmmmm does that agree with "..more troubling than intentional vandalism"?

Of course, one is about acting and being seen to act ( I have a bot and will use it I have anti-vandal barnstars and can prove through them that I am Wiki motivated in the extreme ) and the other is far more subtle, takes great care and balance to address, and even needs balance to make sure that further bias is not introduced.

I did like one ironic comment about the absence of the Countering Systemic Barnstar. "True irony would be to propose one for those showing it." Source.

It's also Ironic to see the Proliferation on Nationalist Barnstars, and yet someone missed the most Obvious one "The Global Barnstar". Hmmm......

So Barnstars have evolved into separatist and highly focused identity badges that are carving up Wikiland into little domains - control areas - fiefdoms and owned subjects ..... and yet Wiki has a globe as it's Icon! Isn't it odd how people think and behave?

I'm still wondering why there is a barnstar for editing pages about Oklahoma? There is no explanation as to why it was needed and just had to be created! I looked at the Wiki page for Oklahoma, but the subject seems to not be noteworthy enough to feature on that page! In fact the word barn does not feature.... odd given the number there are in the state. P^) I wonder if there is some odd bias towards Oklahoma that needs to be looked at?

Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 23:09, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I wanted to answer some of the questions you posed in this last thing before this got archived. I won't answer all of them, because I'm not sure I can (and some require thinking for a bit). In the case of {{systemic bias}}, if you can't see a reason for the tag, you can remove it (unless you feel inexperienced enough about the subject that you don't feel comfortable doing so). There are only thirteen articles transcluding that tag, which, while not as good as zero, is very small compared to the number of articles tagged with other cleanup type tags and the number of articles as a whole.

Honestly, on the issue of barnstars, I have a love-hate relationship with them. They a nice way to deliver praise, but sometimes they're given out far too trivially. I'm pretty sure I've even trivially given some out, but I feel deserving of the one I have. I see you've proposed that there be a systemic bias barnstar, which was a good thing to do if you felt it needed to exist and wanted to get consensus on it. Barnstars are for specific things to make it clearer what to award for. If the scope were too broad, it might be too hard to determine why a person should get it, but if there were a clear criteria for a global barnstar (I dunno - "outstanding contributions to articles dealing with global affairs" or something, I don't know) I don't see why it couldn't be made.

As for the Oklahoma barnstar, that's a barnstar related to WikiProject Oklahoma. Other WikiProjects have their own stars as well, and WikiProjects that do not have one could probably propose one. The Oklahoma barnstar been awarded to users, but it's supposed to be subst'd so I couldn't tell you exactly how many. Wikipedia-related things (like barnstars) about Oklahoma wouldn't necessarily be featured on the article about the subject (unless the Wikipedia-related thing was sufficiently notable, like Monmouthpedia in the article on Monmouth). - Purplewowies (talk) (How's my driving?) 21:22, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Format/style of Biographies—guidelines?

I see some biographies of living persons have a section called Biography while others don't and instead they have sections like "Early life", which would be found under other pages' Biography sections. Are there standards to follow in editing biographies? Or should I just go by featured articles that are biographies? Mrtea (talk) 22:10, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't mention your example but see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

My practice is not to have a "biography" section - the whole article is a biography so in my view such a section is redundant.--ukexpat (talk) 23:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

There's no general rule, but you can look at how similar people are handled in other articles. Just do it in whatever way makes most sense to cover their life. Depending on the person, you may want to treat their life chronologically divided into periods (like Winston Churchill), or treat life and work separately (like Plato or Vincent van Gogh), or treating different facets of the life separately if they were notable in more than one field. If you separate life and work, then having a "biography" or "life" section is sensible, otherwise not so much. --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:06, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

sonac boom

Growing up in Chicago in the sixies i remember jet(s) flying over head breaking the sound barrier. Now my older sister (4yrs older) is saying it never happened. I grew up on Ridgeway ave 28 hundred south. So what I'am asking how do I find out who's right and who's just getting old. I'am sixty and remember things that my sister has forgotten.thanks foe any help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.90.96.219 (talk) 22:45, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

This page is for asking questions on how to use Wikipedia. You should post your question on the reference desk at WP:RD RudolfRed (talk) 23:10, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

May 30

List of municipalities in Rio Grande do Norte sorting incorrectly

In List of municipalities in Rio Grande do Norte, the Area column isn't sorting properly. How is this fixed? Albacore (talk) 01:01, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

It works if you take out the commas and add leading zeros to the sort template, like this. (Feel free to copy that to the article, but do check it over to make sure I didn't miss any.) Hope that helps. ^Avic_ennasis @ 03:59, 9 Sivan 5772 / 03:59, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

how to find wikipedia articles by size?

For example, if i want to find articles between 3000bytes and 10000bytes, what should i do?--Jsjsjs1111 (talk) 03:52, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think this is a standard feature on-wiki for searches, but I believe the CatScan tool allows to search articles by size. :) Salvidrim! 04:09, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

It helps! Thank you very much!--Jsjsjs1111 (talk) 14:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Redirected ref no longer supports claim

I have an article in which one of the references has been redirected to a new version of the site. The new site no longer contains the details required to support the original statement inteh article. I have no doubt that the original site's version did support the claim when it was accessed. So how do I tag this? doesn't seem right, and neither does . Meters (talk) 04:00, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Try to see if you can find an archived or cached version of the proper material, otherwise an alternative source will have to be found. If the referenced URL is simply now redirecting to another target which doesn't contain any of the needed information, then it is a , theoretically speaking. Salvidrim! 04:07, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

If you do find an archived or cached version of the proper material, per above, you can then permanently archive it yourself at webcitation.org to gird against this happening again. It can then be added to the citation, which is supported by some of the citation templates. For example, in {{cite web}} you would use the parameters |archiveurl= and |archivedate=.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:52, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Non-admins editing Mediawiki pages

When was the MW software first set up to allow only admins to edit MediaWiki pages? Edits like this and this show that it's not always been that way. Nyttend (talk) 05:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

The ability to disable editing of MediaWiki pages is done through the $wgNamespaceProtection setting, which was introduced in MediaWiki 1.10.0 - which was released on May 9, 2007. My guess is Wikipedia updated to 1.10 around that time. ^Avic_ennasis @ 05:35, 9 Sivan 5772 / 05:35, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

A Request/Inquiry about a separate "Images" section ....

I wanted to know that why don't you have a separate section for the "images" like Google does ???

An anonymous and a well wisher.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.236.52.92 (talk) 05:37, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Images are in the File: namespace. - Purplewowies (talk) (How's my driving?) 05:42, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

You may also be interested in Wikimedia Commons where many of our images are stored. Dismas|^(talk) 05:44, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Recomending pre-requesite pages

I feel it would be highly benificial if a given page can can suggest a "pre-requesite" page for back ground information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.74.180.113 (talk) 06:50, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Can you provide an example? Nearly all articles have links to such topics (highlighted in blue) in their opening paragraph, and many articles have a "See also" section near the end for related topics.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:46, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

You might also find interesting the research reported in the "To understand a Wikipedia article, which others does one need to read first?" entry under Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-05-28/Recent research#Briefly. Deor (talk) 13:21, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Update URL in footnote

I need to update a URL in a footnote with reference to a page from 2010 now archived in the Wayback Machine. Can you give me the correct Wikipedia citation form for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.139.26.233 (talk) 07:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

In a {{cite web}} template, you can just add "|archivedate=" & "|archiveurl=" parameters. :) Salvidrim! 08:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

It would help if we had the specific example so we know the format. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 10:08, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

The Chinese version of the article "Bradford University School of Management" is wrong!!!

Hi, the Chinese version of "Bradford University School of Management" is linked incorrectly!! When I click the "Chinese" version from reading the English version, it jumps to the Chinese version of "Lancaster University Management School", which is totally wrong. Woud you please correct it ASAP? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.48.153.2 (talk) 09:51, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Did some searching, but the Chinese Wikipedia does not seem to have that article. Removed the incorrect interwiki link. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 10:07, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

my account

someone has hacked my account and I have tried to regain access but I think they have changed email so I can't get a new password. what can I do to get it back? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MilfordBoy1991 (talk • contribs) 12:16, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I guess it isn't the account you posted this from. What is the username? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:21, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

MilfordBoy991 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MilfordBoy1991 (talk • contribs) 12:24, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

User:MilfordBoy991 has no committed identity and far too many edits for usurpation. There is a stored email address but others cannot see it. Are you sure you know which address it should be? Do you still have access to it? It sounds like you have tried Special:PasswordReset. Have you checked any spam folders? Your ISP or webmail provider may have one outside your computer. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:28, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

yes I have and I have checked all spam folders and nothing came through — Preceding unsigned comment added by MilfordBoy1991 (talk • contribs) 13:36, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

1) When were you last logged in? 2) Have you tried another browser or computer? 3) Are you also unable to log in to wikiquote:User:MilfordBoy991? 4) Have you made any edits with information which could be used to verify your claim to the account? meta:Privacy policy says: "Users whose accounts do not have a valid email address will not be able to reset their password if it is lost. In such a situation, however, users may be able to contact one of the Wikimedia server administrators to enter a new e-mail address." I don't know under which circumstances this will be done. The account has no added user rights so you could start over with a new account and write on the userpages that you are the same user. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:59, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Page for E commerce website

I want to create a Wikipedia page for my e commerce website , plz suggest how to proceed for this activity, what steps to be follow to make the proper page for my website which will get approved quickly that will help us to make our identity on Wikipedia asap.

plz suggest the steps and guild lines , content, or else necessary to make a valuable Wikipedia page asap.

my email : (Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaishnav2010 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

You don't. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not an advertising website. The notability criteria for an organisation to have an article on Wikipedia are at WP:CORP. You should not, in general, try to produce an article about an organisation with which you are connected, see Wikipedia's guidance on conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

A little problem

Resolved

What is up with the US flag at list of tallest people? AndieM (Am I behaving?) 13:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

It looks normal to me. Please describe the problem you see. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:30, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

It is red at the left half with a black star in it, yellow at the top-right quarter and green at the bottom-right quarter. I am currently on Safari on an iPad; I haven't got a chance to try on other browsers. AndieM (Am I behaving?) 14:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, the German flag looks like a bunch of ice hockey players. AndieM (Am I behaving?) 14:47, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean all of the US flags are this way? I've looked through the article, and I can't find any country's flag with such an appearance. Nyttend (talk) 15:07, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

United States Germany

They both look normal to me in both Firefox and Safari on a PC with Windows Vista. Is there any diffference for you above, at list of tallest people, and at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png and http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Flag_of_Germany.svg/22px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png. I don't know how an iPad works but can you try to clear your entire cache? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:15, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll try to clear the cache now AndieM (Am I behaving?) 17:54, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

cleared and problem resolved. Thank you! AndieM (Am I behaving?) 17:55, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I am having a hard time making a page go live.

Resolved

I have been working on an article for a while. Initially it was in the sandbox, but then when I thought it was ready I moved it to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:David_R_Courtney this was a couple of days ago but it still does not show up in the wikipedia search box.

Did I do something wrong? Did I neglect to finish something?

Respectfully yours

Robert Bernstein — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertbrnstn (talk • contribs) 14:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

This is because you have moved it to the Wikipedia: namespace. It needs to be moved to the Article namespace; I'm happy to do it for you. AndieM (Am I behaving?) 14:41, 30 May 2012 (UTC) (update:looks like it's been done by Fuhghettaboutit).

The article is now at David R. Courtney. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 14:54, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Access to my old account

First of all, I really want to thank you guys for answering newbies' questions around here - I know it can be really frustrating, so I truly appreciate that you're willing to help.

Anyway, my problem is that I want to access an old account of mine, User:Zev Brook, but I forgot the password and I never set an email for it. I don't know how I can prove that it's me, but I'd really like control of that account instead of creating a sockpuppet. By the way, I had it so long ago that I'm not even sure if the IP address will be the same as it is now.

Thank you so much in advance -- 99.161.121.86 (talk) 16:09, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, if you do not remember your password and cannot access the email you used to set it up, we have no way of recovering your account. Your best bet is to start a new account. TNXMan 16:19, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Please note that our sockpuppet policy prohibits malicious use of a second account. Really the only ways that you can violate the sockpuppet policy are (1) deceptively editing with both at the same time to make it look as if you're two separate people, or (2) deceptively editing the same pages over time with both to make it look as if you're two separate people. Since it's been two years since the last edit from your account, nobody is likely to associate edits by your new account with edits from the old account. You're free to register a new account and then say "This is the same person as Zev Brook; I forgot the password" on the userpage, but there's no requirement that you do that. If you want to create a similar username (e.g. "Zev Brook 2"), the software may complain about it; if you encounter that, simply go to WP:AN and post a request for an administrator to help you, because a simple "I forgot my password and want to make a new account" should be accepted quite quickly. Nyttend (talk) 18:15, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

How do I talk to the person who edited me?

I modefied a page. My modification was removed by TEDICKEY. Is that an editor? How do I discuss this matter with the editor who removed my modification? 89.100.206.151 (talk) 16:29, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Tedickey is an editor. You would post on User talk:Tedickey.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 17:30, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I can't see that any of your recent contributions have been reverted. Maybe you were using a different IP address? Can you tell us which article you are referring to? Rojomoke (talk) 17:35, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I had the same trouble, but the IP's contribution history is short. I finally found that User:Tedickey (different capitalization) had reverted the IP's very first edit on Federalist Papers.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 17:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Ads in wikipedia

I have noticed ads showing up in wikipedia. i have seen these ads in other websites and they are definitely scams. I am beginning to question wikipedia's ad-free environment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.83.57.25 (talk) 17:28, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

What is the exact URL of the site where you saw ads? It may be a mirror of Wikipedia. Other sites are allowed to reuse Wikipedia content. It is also possible that you have malware.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 17:37, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:RFAQ#ADS. In recent months, many malicious browser add-ins have begun displaying ads when users go to Wikipedia articles; if that's the case for you, we can't do anything about these add-ins, since they're on your computer. You can run malware-detecting software; if you have any questions, go to the computing reference desk, and people will be happy to help you. Nyttend (talk) 17:39, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikirage

The statistics page Special:Statistics includes several links to Wikirage, (http://www.wikirage.com/top-edits). However, according to Wikipedia talk:Wikirage, the site appears to be abandoned and is showing statistics from over a year ago. Should it be removed, and if so, how? Rojomoke (talk) 17:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

You'll have to notify the developers, perhaps by creating a bug notification at Bugzilla. Even administrators can't edit Special: pages, and developers don't often come here, so there's not much chance that anyone reading this page can actually do the fix. Nyttend (talk) 17:35, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

The part with Wikirage links is actually pulled from MediaWiki:Statistics-footer which can be edited by administrators. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:50, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I had no clue about that; thanks! Done. Nyttend (talk) 19:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

"Create a toolbox link to show the page with messages from the user interface substituted with their names" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets is helpful to find such things. Or manually add ?uselang=qqx to the url of a page as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics?uselang=qqx which says "(statistics-footer)" to indicate transclusion of MediaWiki:statistics-footer. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:03, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I've tried searching for MW: pages by copy/pasting text into the Search box and restricting it to MW: and MW Talk: namespaces, but I've generally had trouble and been unable to find them that way. Do we have a help page discussing what qqx does? It changes so much on Special:Statistics that I'd like to understand the command. Nyttend (talk) 20:16, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

mw:qqx and bugzilla:15802 have some info. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia book management

I created a book, but don't have all the functionality since I haven't done any edits. I don't feel qualified to edit any pages at this time.

Is there a way to create chapters and sort alphabetically without meeting the requirement for 10 edits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ck12go (talk • contribs) 17:46, 30 May 2012

You can ask to be confirmed at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Confirmed but you must give a reason and the reviewing administrator must see if your reason is valid. AndieM (Am I behaving?) 18:00, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Any edit anywhere at en.wikipedia.org counts, for example your question here or if you make a user page at User:Ck12go. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:47, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit to our sandbox count, including ones as small as adding a single character. Nyttend (talk) 19:37, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

No gadgets tab

Hi, for some reason when I go to my preferences there is no gadgets tab and none of my gadgets (HOTCAT, POP) are working. Anyone know why? --T H F S W (T · C · E) 17:52, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

This probably is going to be better answered here Jeancey (talk) 17:53, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

How do get rid of this text [[Image: |200px|alt=]] above thumbnail picture

Here is the Wikipedia page I'm referring too...Stanley Foundation...if someone can either find a way to take out the text on their own or tell me how to remove it I would appreciate it. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RanderReese (talk • contribs) 19:10, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Fixed.[1] Most infoboxes add their own image code and only need the image name. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:16, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Attempting to add photograph to article - don't have permission.

Hi

I am attempting to add a photograph to this article Twister (ice cream)

There is no photo with this article so I feel it would benefit from one I have taken myself.

The photo shows the normal flavour and alternative Strawberry flavour Mini Twisters - albeit half eaten, I have uploaded the photograph to imgur as I cannot upload to Wikipedia. Photo here: http://i.imgur.com/Knsyh.jpg

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by MiniTwister (talk • contribs) 20:50, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

If you will release the photo under an acceptable license then please upload it at commons: where it can also be used in other Wikipedia languages and wikis. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

( e/c [My later post inerlineated above yours, probably because you skipped a line]) Hello MiniTwister. The reason you could not upload the image here is because you are not yet autoconfirmed (you need to be registered for more than four days and have ten or more edits). If Wikipedia was the right place to upload that photo I would grant you autopatroller rights, but the place you should upload this image is at the Wikimedia Commons. That is the lace for free images, and once uploaded there, it can immediately be used here. The best part is once you have an account there, you can immediately upload an image. Regarding the image you uploaded to imgur, we have to assume images we find at other sites are copyrighted, unless we have reliable, verifiable information they are not. It's not that we don't believe you when you say it's your photograph, but that this is as assertion by an anonymous person. So please upload the image to the Commons.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:41, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Odd character difference numbers on watchlist

With all the problems going on recently with watchlists and gadgets, etc., I hesitate to bring this up as 5 minutes from now, perhaps it will mysteriously disappear. Anyway, this is an entry from my watchlist:

Sonia Sotomayor‎; 13:40 . . (+134,968)‎ . . ‎Kaltenmeyer (talk | contribs)‎ (added reference) [rollback | sum]

The change did NOT add 134,968 characters to the article (god help us - the article is already bloated enough). In fact, at that point (it has since changed), the last edit by Kaltenmeyer was a 0 character change. I noticed this one other time earlier today, but, of course, it went away with the next edit and refresh of my watchlist.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:51, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Sometimes the software cannot retrieve the size of the preceding version and acts like it was 0. The page history [2] shows the total page size and not the change was 134,968. It's actually more odd that the diff is blank [3]. This should have given a null edit not shown in watchlists, page histories, user contributions and so on. This is discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Diff/watchlist difficulties. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:04, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't recall ever seeing this phenomenon before. Also, unless I misunderstood your comment at the pump (very possible), "I don't have Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent" enabled, and it seemed as if you were saying this only happens if that is checked.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

It also happens if that setting is not checked, but the edit only occurs on the watchlist at all if it's either the most recent edit or the setting is checked. In my pump comment it was no longer the most recent edit so I mentioned the setting. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:05, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay, hopefully, last question from the pest: is it supposed to work this way?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:19, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Is what supposed to work which way? It's certainly a bug when the watchlist shows the page size instead of the size difference, and when an edit with no change to the page source is shown at all. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

seeking feedback on draft for new article

I'm looking for feedback on a draft of an article about EBIPM. The text is currently in my sandbox. Thanks. Ryansteiny (talk) 21:16, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Here's a link to help others: User:Ryansteiny/sandbox. I have no opinion on the article, just trying to be helpful. --Dismas|^(talk) 22:09, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Here is my impression after reading in the article: If your land has been invaded by weeds, you may feel like going out and getting rid of them. This is a mistake. Instead, you should use EBIPM: sit in your office filling in forms and using buzzwords. What is not clear to me is why this should ever have any effect on the weeds. Maproom (talk) 11:05, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

You might also want to seek out sources and further reading that is not all hosted at smallfarmcentral.com. It reads to me like you have a product (or maybe a methodology) to sell and want to use Wikipedia to help you sell it. The other thing is that Wikipedia is not a how-to manual (step 1, step 2 and so are a bit of a giveaway). Astronaut (talk) 19:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

How to submit an article

I have an article I've already written and have already submitted the title "Sgt. Richard Sakakida: An Analysis Of His Undercover Exploits in WW II Philippines." I just now signed up with wikipedia but it is so impossibly complicated to find out how to submit this article that I don't know what to do. So if I can't find out an easy way to submit it, please just delete my name, etc. In fact, I'm not even sure how to get back to this once I've logged out. Why in the world do you make it so difficult to submit an article! I don't even know how to type in the squiggly "thing" I'm supposed to do at the end of this post. Clearly your organization is not for folks who are my age (75) and that's just too bad. Dennymill — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dennymill (talk • contribs) 21:33, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Your article title looks like either a book title or some sort of analysis that you have come up with on your own. If it is a book title, and the book is notable per WP:NBOOK, then you can copy the text of the article and paste it here: Sgt. Richard Sakakida: An Analysis Of His Undercover Exploits in WW II Philippines. If your article is some analysis that you've come up with on your own, it is not suitable for Wikipedia. We don't publish original ideas, papers, or technical journals, etc. Also, the squiggly "thing" is a tilde and is next to the number 1 on most standard American keyboards. I've additionally left some info on your talk page as to other policies here. Dismas|^(talk) 22:06, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Maintenance template format

{{Unreferenced section}}

The above template produces a very different look compared to similar maintenance templates. I can see when it was changed in the history (a few years ago). I can also see a little bit of dicussion on the Talk page about it. But I don't get why it's one of the few (that I've seen) that looks like this. Frankly, I like the other ones better, if for no other reason than they include the date the template was added. Should it be changed back to the usual style?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I strongly think that this Help Desk is not the proper venue to hold such a discussion. Try taking it to the template's talk page? :) Salvidrim! 22:25, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

The template says that you can specify a date for it, or a bot will add it. Is that part of the template not working, or is the bot broken? RudolfRed (talk) 22:27, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

@Salvidrim, I don't mind taking it to the template Talk page, but I posted it here for two reasons. First, it involves more than just one template, and, second, because I've found that some of the regular contributors here know a LOT about templates and about back stories involving templates. @RudolfRed, even if you put the date in, it doesn't appear on the page as it does with the other templates. I don't think that's a bug because the rendering on the template page doesn't show the date.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:32, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

• Ah, I see. Well, there IS a bug, at least about the date not showing up. See, for {{Unreferenced section|date=May 2012}}:

So indeed, it may need improvements. If you intend to modify a number of templates to bring consistency among their display styles, then SOME discussion needs to be held but unfortunately I must say I'm not sure what would be the best place for it. Salvidrim! 22:37, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

You're right. For some reason (senility), I thought the date showed up in the sample display on the other templates, but it doesn't, only when you actually use the template and specify the date parameter. That helps. I will at least address "the bug" on the Talk page, thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Well it may possible be intended not to show in the display itself; the date still is likely use in the page maintenance categories. Salvidrim! 23:04, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I see no reason for it not to display the date consistently with the other templates. Anyway, we'll what kind of response I get on the Talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:07, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

See Template talk:Unreferenced#Section. Equazcion ^(talk) 23:38, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

May 31

Please delete previous versions of images

Administrators, please delete previous versions of images of File:Bubu Jingxin (covers).jpg, File:Birds of Prey (TV series).jpg, File:Scream (franchise logo).jpg, and File:Underworld (film logo).jpg. Thanks.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 02:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I see you've already tagged the images with {{Orphaned non-free revisions}}, it means an Admin will delete them after the delay has expired. They manage these logs, you don't need to manually notify admins that there are previous non-free revisions to delete, and even if you did, the Help Desk may not be the best way to reach an admin. Their noticeboard would be a better way, but as mentioned, there is no need to post it manually yourself. :) Salvidrim! 02:36, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

The Scream and Underworld logos are pretty clearly PD-TEXT and I have edited the file info pages accordingly.--ukexpat (talk) 13:34, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

File removal

How does one go about getting a photo removed that was use to harras someone else.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrkosher (talk • contribs)

Tell us about it and if it's a local image (i.e., not a Wikimedia Commons image), one of us will delete it if we deem it appropriate. If it's at the Commons, we can explain how to nominate it for deletion or nominate it ourselves. Again, it depends on how we judge the merit. Note also the various criteria for speedy deletion applicable to files, and Wikipedia:Files for deletion where deletion is discussed. It's all very difficult to predict without the specifics.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:34, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Citing game show "Correct Answers"

On multiple occasions I've considered creating an account in order to merely provide a detail not contained in the appropiate Wikipedia article, albeit trivia of medium importance. On these occasions the detail was the correct answer on the show "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire". I'm starting to think the show researchers especially like to find facts not included in Wikipedia. I wish to learn the recommendation(s) of experienced editors to this consideration. To put it simply, should I bother? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.28.189.4 (talk) 05:54, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

First, you do not have to create an account in order to edit Wikipedia, though there are advantages if you do so. Anybody may edit an article, though there are some things that are more likely to make your edit stick:

• The most important point is that everything you add should be referenced to a reliable source so that anybody may verify its accuracy: personal knowledge, and original research is not sufficient. Being given as an answer on a quiz show is probably not considered a reliable source, but maybe you could research the answer and find a better source?
• An edit is less likely to be mistaken for vandalism if you give a meaningful edit summary when you commit your change.

If you have information but do not feel competent to make the change (eg if you are unsure how to give references) a suggestion is to start a section on the article's talk page explaining what you want to add, and how this can be verified. --ColinFine (talk) 10:45, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Questions on article details

I read this in the story on Jayne Mansfield, but do not understand who sued who and don't know where I go to try to get the answer. Does this mean Jayne and Matt somehow sued the driver of their car, the truck they ran into, someone sued them or who sued what and who got the money when the two of them were dead? I can't figure out in this massive amount of items to read where we can or if we can ask about the articles as I see past people were able to do somehow.

"In 1968, two wrongful-death lawsuits were filed on behalf of Jayne Marie Mansfield and Matt Cimber. The former for $4.8 million ($39.7 million in 2012 dollars[12]) and the latter for $2.7 million ($22.3 million in 2012 dollars[12]).[179]" Cantsayit (talk) 07:05, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

The sentence in the article Jayne Mansfield has a reference to The New York Times, p. 22. June 23, 1968. It appears that NYT archives of that date are not available online without payment; but if you are interested enough to buy the article you will be able to get the details. Alternatively you might find it is available at a public library near you. A quick Google suggests to me that everywhere else on the web that refers to these suits is just quoting the Wikipedia article, but I may be wrong. --ColinFine (talk) 10:56, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Search blurbs from The New York Times article shows: "A $4.8-million damage suit has been filed in Federal Court here in connection with the death of Jayne Mansfield, Z the actress. W, W. Pigue is seeking $1.3-milllon as guardian of the actress s daughter, Jayne Marie. Matt Cimber, guardian of another child, Antonio, is seeking $2.7-milllon." I don't know whether any money were rewarded or anything else. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:35, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

More detail on these matters is answered in this book.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:25, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Urgent Help

Al-Waleed bin Talal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dear Wikipedia team,

We have Problem With an article on wikipedia about our president, someone using wikipedia for attack him,

Someone adding "Unfounded Allegations" to that articles.

3 years ago we had won that court about rape case. We had won court about that, user still show about it.

We need your help.

Regards, Sertel SIRACI Attorney at law www.sertels.av.tr — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sertelsiraci (talk • contribs) 07:55, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

The rape accusations (and his complete exoneration) are a matter of public record, reported in numerous news sources. Wikipedia endeavours to report, in as neutral a manner as possible, the facts and events recorded in reliable sources; although the title of the section is somewhat circumspect, the content is both neutrally sourced and very clear that bin Talal was not guilty of the crime. I suggest taking this issue up on the article talkpage; other editors of the article might be persuaded that the events are sufficiently insignificant as to warrant exclusion, but in all honesty, I doubt it. Bin Talal's acquittal forms part of his biographical history, and so its inclusion will probably be staunchly defended. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:45, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Renaming a page

Hi, I was wondering if someone might be able to help me please. Zurich Financial Servies, have recently changed their name to Zurich Insurance Group: http://www.zurich.com/ therefore I want to alter the name on the Spanish page from ZFS to Zurich Insurance Group http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zurich_Financial_Services and their doesn't appear to be the move page button. Does anyone know how I go about changing it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GraRey (talk • contribs) 08:53, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

At the Spanish Wikipedia you apparently need 50 edits to become autoconfirmed and able to move pages. Wikipedia:Requested moves has an interlanguage link to es:Wikipedia:Páginas para renombrar which says you can make a move request with es:Plantilla:Renombrar. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Sortable Table - Any way to make this work?

I'm interested in making the seasons on this table sortable with the over header "Season". Not a huge deal, could replace "1", "2", and "3", with "Season 1", etc. Would just prefer to do it this way. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 11:52, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

	Character	Season
		1	2	3
	Daenerys Targaryen	Emilia Clarke	Emilia Clarke	Emilia Clarke
	Joffrey Baratheon	Jack Gleeson	Jack Gleeson	Jack Gleeson
	Bronn	Jerome Flynn	Jerome Flynn	Jerome Flynn
	Cersei Lannister	Lena Headey	Lena Headey	Lena Headey
	Arya Stark	Maisie Williams	Maisie Williams	Maisie Williams
	Tyrion Lannister	Peter Dinklage	Peter Dinklage	Peter Dinklage
	Eddard "Ned" Stark	Sean Bean
	Stannis Baratheon		Stephen Dillane	Stephen Dillane
	Gregor "The Mountain" Clegane	Conan Stevens	Some guy

I've left a message at WT:FLC to see what can be done. I tried and failed; I could get 1, 2 and 3 to sort if they were over the word "season" but not otherwise. Incidentally, you ought to use {{sortname}} to sort the people by surname. Bencherlite^Talk 12:39, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

For the actors you mean? Good point. Thanks for sending a message, I too can only get the top field to sort, and not any below it. So it will sort by ALL the seasons, but not the individual ones. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:42, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Pretty sure it will only work if Season is on the lower of the two rows, with 1, 2 and 3 above, like Bencherlite suggests: that's what all the featured lists I can see use in this circumstance. Harrias ^talk 15:06, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, thank you for the input Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:08, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello there

Hi Wikipedians! I'm a new user here. Can someone please help me how to create useful articles on Wikipedia??? Furko Nellis (talk) 13:04, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Welcome. You could try a few of these: Wikipedia:Most wanted articles.--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:44, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:Your first article. Welcome on board. Roger (talk) 14:50, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Why still redlink?

Hi, article 2008-09 Liga Indonesia Premier Division have PROD and deleted years ago. 3 days ago I ask the admin to restore, and he restored it. But not with the talk page. I expanded the article at my pagespace, and later moved it to article space. I also create a new talk page. But why its still redlink if i search?. I also create DYK template this, why its still red link? Please fix it. Thanks. *Annas* (talk) 13:36, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Because the article title had a – and you were typing a - . To prevent this happening again, I have added a redirect from the "-" form. Bencherlite^Talk 13:39, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks *Annas* (talk) 13:50, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

change a photo

My boss is featured on Wikipedia and would like to provide a more flattering photo. How can I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.227.208 (talk) 13:55, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Click on the photo, at the bottom will be an option to upload a newer version. That'll take you to an upload page where you can add your new photo. Though it still needs all the appropriate release info. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 14:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

General image advice follows:

• If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy.
• If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add [[File:File name.jpg|thumb|Caption text.]] to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.Template:Z40--ukexpat (talk) 14:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Commons:Photographs of identifiable people has most of the rules.--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:52, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Old talk pages

I have noticed that some of the first posts in older talk pages don't have a header and show above the TOC. I have added a 'First post' header with a note and signature just below. Is this normal and should I keep doing it?--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:05, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

That's fine. I usually read the post and add a descriptive header but don't sign it. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Photographs Copyright.

Hello!

I'm a resident in the UK who's writing an article for the Greek Wikipedia. Am I allowed to make use of photos appearing in the Wiki archive as being in the public domain over here in that article? Many thanks! Ryepeck (talk) 14:44, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Please specify the photos so that we may evaluate their status. Roger (talk) 14:53, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Dornier_Do17Z_over_West_Ham.jpg & File:WWII London Blitz East London.jpg . Ι take it there's no general rule then! Ryepeck (talk) 16:19, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Both of these images are free for you to use on the Greek Wikipedia, the first bearing a free copyright license, and the second being in the public domain. There is a difference though in the mechanics of using them. The second image is hosted at the Wikimedia Commons (where all suitably free and public domain files should be uploaded), and because of that, you can use it directly at the Greek Wikipedia, using the normal image markup to display images on that Wikipedia project. The first, by contrast, is a "local image", hosted on the English Wikipedia. It's still a free image, but in order for you to access it for display on the Greek Wikipedia it either needs to be transferred to the Commons, or you would need to upload it to the Greek Wikipedia—again, though, it's much better if hosted at the Commons so all projects have access to it. I do not have time now but if no one else does it, I will transfer it there later today (in about 6 hours or so).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:39, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Much appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryepeck (talk • contribs) 18:24, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I uploaded a new version of the first one from the same source, same file number at a higher resolution.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:39, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

So it turns out that there is already the same image at the Commons and in about the same resolution as the one Canoe1967 uploaded. See File:Dornier 17 bombers over West Ham.jpg so you should be good to go now. Meanwhile, not quite sure what to do with the local image which is tagged for a move to the Commons but that would be redundant and not only that but duplicative.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:38, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

That's why we invented the {{db-f8}} template. Nyttend (talk) 00:32, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Hysterectomy page

I messed up the reference section and the undo didn't work. The one added should be 62. First 61 disappeared. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.222.60 (talk) 16:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Yobol fixed it. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:26, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

African Women's Handball Championship

there is something gone wrong with the table in section Participating nations. I is not even good enough to templates / tables, so a little help with the section I'd be happy.--109.232.72.49 (talk) 16:33, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

What is wrong with it? Somebody has added a big empty table for 2014 and later. Are you referring to this? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:04, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Abergavenny Food Festival

I couldn't find the entry for the Abergavenny Food Festival for a while because the posted title is "User:Festival uk/Abergavenny Food Festival" Just so someone knows ... Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.94.189.234 (talk) 17:36, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Festival uk/Abergavenny Food Festival is not an article in our encyclopedia. It's a user subpage. Many editors work on drafts in user subpages. I don't know the intention of User:Festival uk. Special:Contributions/Festival uk shows no edits since March. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

hello

love your article on michael j. fox been a fan of his for years loves his movies and tv shows i hope he is well and his family — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.166.172 (talk) 18:13, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Reporting a user

A user and me are having a disagreement, I've told him valid reasons and why he is wrong but all he is doing is writing innappropiate comments on the article's summary and on its user talk page and my talk page. Where do I go to report a this user? GoPurple'nGold₂₄ 18:25, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:WQA. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

The two of you have both passed the three-revert rule. Might be a good idea to give it a rest today and take a different approach to this tomorrow - for a start try engaging the other party in a discussion on the article talk page, rather than immediately reverting their efforts (even if you do think they are wrong). Astronaut (talk) 18:48, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I have already explained it on its talk page but it does not help, instead its just writing inappropriate comments. I did not revert any of its edits today because of the three-revert rule. GoPurple'nGold₂₄ 19:16, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Try following the steps for dispute resolution at WP:DR RudolfRed (talk) 19:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Should I report his inappropriate comments? GoPurple'nGold₂₄ 20:25, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Account Access

My username and password are not working. How can I resolve this problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.49.178 (talk) 18:27, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

What is your username? Did you enter an e-mail when you registered? Ruslik_Zero 18:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Have a look through the various suggestions at Help:Logging in#How to log in. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:51, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Problem going live

I've composed an article in my Sandbox and when it was ready I clicked 'Save Page'. I expected the article to become accessible to the public there and then but it disappeared. I still have the text in my Sandbox, however. The FAQ mentions 'moving' and 'naming' but I'm not clear what this involves. I must have omitted some vital procedures. Please can anyone advise? The article is titled 'Lumiere & Son'.

Genepez (talk) 18:46, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

You would be better off holding on until the article is ready for the encyclopedia. In its present form it lacks any references, as well as wikilinks to names, terms and entities. It's not ready for prime time. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:55, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

The article is not gone. It is at User:Genepez/sandbox. It will remain in your sandbox until you WP:MOVE it to the regular article namespace. In my opinion, you should not do that though since your article lacks any sources whatsoever. See Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. Dismas|^(talk) 18:54, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

It would also help if the opening section stated what this company does. Or the fact that it is a theatre company, if it is one. Maproom (talk) 21:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

How to claim an edit

I didn't realize that I wasn't signed in and made an edit. Is there a way of claiming it without waiting for the bot to do it? Zephalis (talk) 18:47, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm curious how you think a bot would associate an IP edit with your user name. What bot have you seen do this? You're not referring to the bot that tags unsigned posts to talk pages, and this page, with the {{unsigned}} template, are you? Dismas|^(talk) 18:51, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that was the bot I was referring to. I didn't realize it was only for talk pages or exactly how it worked. I assumed it was just a bot that saw logins and compared the IP to recent posts and corrected it (although I do see the potential problems with that as well). Zephalis (talk) 19:14, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

As described at WP:LOGGEDOUT, you can make a dummy edit and use the edit summary to explain that the previous IP edit was yours. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:55, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks...that's exactly what I was looking for. Zephalis (talk) 19:14, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Alternatively if the edit was a talk page message you can also sign the previous edit "as if" done while logged-in by inserting four tildes after the message. Salvidrim! 20:35, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

How the blazes did I manage that?

This edit seems to show me adding an image - which I did - and also adding '''Bold text''' at the bottom of the page - which I'm pretty certain I didn't. Any theories as to how I managed this impressive feat of subconscious typing would be appreciated. Yunshui 雲‍水 19:49, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I'd guess you accidentally clicked the "B" button on the edit toolbar while the text cursor was at the end of the text. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:55, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Always an easy thing to do; I've done it plenty of times. Nyttend (talk) 00:34, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Never knew it did that. Thanks for supplying the solution! Yunshui 雲‍水 07:06, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Request for Feedback Please?

For the Appalachian State University page so I can improve it to hopefully A-class or better? DavidSSabb (talk) 19:52, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Is there an advert noticeboard?

Is there a noticeboard about articles written like adverts/spec-sheets? Pam-Crash is what I want to list on some noticeboard. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 21:06, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia has millions of articles and they aren't all great. This doesn't rise to the level of a noticeboard. At Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup are various message boxes which can be placed on articles with problems. This one already contains {{Advert|date=November 2011}} and is listed in Category:Articles with a promotional tone from November 2011, and in Category:All articles with a promotional tone with around 15000 other articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:17, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Errors & bias in article on Anthony Bennett (English politician)

I have complained previously about the Wikipedia article about me which appears yet again to have been complied by those hostile towards my campaigns.

This is the entry as it stands:

On 1 August 2007, three months after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Lagos, Portugal, Bennett set up a fund called The Madeleine Foundation to fund a private prosecution for alleged child neglect.[30] In November 2007, he started such a prosecution against the parents of Madeline - Gerry and Kate McCann.[31] The initial hearing was at Loughborogh Magistrates Court where the application was dismissed on the grounds that it was a matter for the Portuguese authorities, and thus beyond the jurisdiction of British courts.[32]

The foundation was formally constituted in January 2008 with Bennett as secretary. One of the actions for which Tony Bennett and the Foundation were vilified by the UK Press was the leafletting of the village of Rothley where the McCanns live.[33] He referred the articles in the UK media, which referred to him and others in the Madeleine Foundation as "sickos" and "stalkers", to the PCC [34] The PCC replied that the newspapers had been justified in referring to him and other members of the Foundation in those terms. [35] After receiving letter from libel lawyers Carter-Ruck dated 27 August 2009, Bennett gave an undertaking "Not to repeat allegations that the McCanns are guilty of, or are to be suspected of, causing the death of their daughter Madeleine McCann, and/or of disposing of her body, and/or lying about what happened and/or seeking to cover up what they had done".[36]

He is currently being pursued for a breach of his undertaking to the High Court by Carter Ruck on behalf of the McCanns.[37] Tony Bennett could face jail over his continued leafletting and alleged harassment of the parents of missing Madeleine McCann.[38]

This would be a much more accurate and balanced entry: (I have not had time to supply references, but once I hear from you, I will be pleased to supply them)

In November 2007, six motnhs after Madeleine McCann was reported missing from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz he applied for a summons alleging child neglect against her parents - Drs Gerry and Kate McCann.[31] His application to the Leicestershire and Rutland Magistrates Court was dismissed on the ground that the court could not be certain whether it had jurisdiction, the alleged offences having taken place in Portugal. [32]

In January 2008, Bennett helped to set up a membership organisation - an unincorporated association - called The Madeleine Foundation in order to campaign for the truth about what really happened to Madeleine McCann.[30] Bennett became its Secretary. On 7 December 2008, Bennett and the Foundation published the controversial book 'What Really Happened to Madeleine McCann? - 60 reasons which suggest she was not abducted'. One of the actions for which Tony Bennett and the Foundation were vilified by the UK press was leafletting some houses in the village of Rothley, where the McCanns live.[33] He referred the articles in the UK media, which referred to him and others in the Madeleine Foundation as "sickos" and "stalkers", to the PCC.[34] The PCC replied that the newspapers had been justified in referring to him and other members of the Foundation in those terms.[35] After receiving a letter from libel lawyers Carter-Ruck dated 27 August 2009, Bennett gave an undertaking to the High Court in November 2009 "Not to repeat allegations that the McCanns are guilty of, or are to be suspected of, causing the death of their daughter Madeleine McCann, and/or of disposing of her body, and/or lying about what happened and/or seeking to cover up what they had done".[36] He also undertook to cease selling his book.

In January 2010, he published a second book: 'The Madeleine McCann Case Files: Volume 1". He is currently being pursued for a breach of his undertaking to the High Court by Carter Ruck on behalf of the McCanns.[37] Tony Bennett could face jail over continued publications which are said by the McCanns to breach his undertaking, [38]while Bennett has responded by applying to be released from some of the undertakings he gave. A trial was fixed for 9 & 10 May 2012 but was adjourned so that Bennett could apply for Legal Aid.

PLEASE CONTACT ME ASAP TO ENSURE THE ARTICLE IS CORRECTED AND BECOMES MORE BALANCED - Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony Bennett (talk • contribs) 21:21, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Nobody is likely to contact you: that's not how Wikipedia works. Almost all discussion takes place on the various talk and administrative pages of the wiki itself.

The best place to bring this up is on the article's talk page, where people who have contributed to the article are more likely to see it. (Thank you for not editing the article directly - that would be strongly discouraged, by our policy on conflict of interest. Ideally all articles contain only verifiable information, and are written from a neutral point of view, but sometimes articles fall short of these goals, and anybody may improve them. But somebody closely associated with the subject of an article may have a very different idea from others of what constitutes "neutral", which is why such a person is discouraged from editing the article directly.)

I have not looked in detail at the article or your proposed revision; but I observe that the first place that it differs is that you have removed reference to your having set up the fund in August. But that fact appears to be well-referenced, so it is not clear to me why it should not appear in the article. But I am not familiar with the subject, so it would be much better for you to engage with people who are watching the article, on its talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 23:26, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Addition to an existing page

How doe one add information to an existing page? I would like to add information about my son who is a notable graduate of Nordonia High School.

Interested — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.100.17.206 (talk) 22:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

The "edit" button at the top of the page will let you edit it. Please read the guidelines on conflict-of-interest before you edit. You can also add a note to the article's talk page describing the changes you're suggesting. RudolfRed (talk) 22:33, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Editing Help - James Skinner

I made some changes to a paragraph in James Skinner's (Zambian Jurist) entry and when I saved the changes the text is formatted as a single long line running off the page. Help how do I fix this ? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&editintro=Wikipedia:Help_Desk/editintro# — Preceding unsigned comment added by CWRSkinner (talk • contribs) 23:35, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

It's fixed. You cannot start a paragraph with an indent or it formats like that. On talk page such as this one where a person responding to another indents one level (as in this post), it is done with starting the paragraph with a colon (successive colons increase the indent level). If you want to learn a bit more about formatting and editing, please consider a pass at the Wikipedia:Tutorial. The WP:CHEATSHEET is also useful once you have some familiarity.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:54, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

June 1

Saved edits do not appear

Edits saved to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_State_Colleges_and_Universities_System do not appear when page is initially accessed. The edits do appear after accessing the edit history and returning to read. How can these edits be made to appear upon initial access?Wastedmoney (talk) 00:23, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

It sounds like an issue with your browser's cache. Clear that and you should be fine. Dismas|^(talk) 00:28, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

(e/c) <snip> There are two caches that may be involved, yours and Wikipedia's. To purge each, see respectively, WP:BYPASS and WP:PURGE.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:30, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

OTRS Ticket

Where do I go to fill out an OTRS ticket? When a picture I submitted was taken down, I was directed to the OTRS wiki page, but I could not find the actual PLACE to CLICK to submit an OTRS ticket, only info about it and a list of all the various sites and languages. If I am using English wk, and want to fill out an OTRS ticket, where exactly do I go? First down comets (talk)

You don't fill it out — you email it in. Talk with one of your supervisors (either Cheri herself or someone who has authority over the campaign's intellectual property) and have them send an email to photosubmissionwikimedia.org. This email will have to have certain elements to be valid; click the "show" button on this box to see a sample email with all those parts.

Extended content
Hello, OTRS. My name is [insert name here] and I am [insert title here] for the campaign of Cheri Bustos. I have authority over intellectual property owned by the campaign, and I wish to release rights to [image name]. This image is licensed under [license]; I acknowledge that anyone will be allowed to use it for any purpose (even commercially) as long as they follow the terms of the license.

Before you send the email, upload the photo. Next, have your supervisor replace "insert name here" with his/her name, "insert title here" with his/her title, "image name" with the name of the image (if you want to use the name "File:Thumbnail-big-bustos.cheri.cmyk.jpg", simply replace "image name" with "File:Thumbnail-big-bustos.cheri.cmyk.jpg"), and license with the name of the license to use. You can find acceptable licenses here, or the image could be released into the public domain. I'd recommend the "CC-by-3.0" license — it requires people to credit the campaign with its authorship but doesn't force them to do much of anything else. Wikipedia policy doesn't permit any more restrictions than this, except for a restrictive sharealike clause. When the email has been sent, go to the image and place a license tag on it (for example, if the cc-by-3.0 license is chosen, you'd do this by typing {{cc-by-3.0}} on it) and the text {{OTRS pending}}. Doing all this will make it clear what's going on and should resolve any issues. Come back here or feel free to ask at my talk page if you want help. Nyttend (talk) 02:00, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Name Confict? What do I need to do? Who Is TowTrucker?

The Wikipedia page "User talk:The Tzar of Culture" has been changed on 31 May 2012 by TowTrucker, with the edit summary: Warning: Username and conflict of interest policy on TheTzar of Culture. (TW)

See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Tzar_of_Culture&diff=next&oldid=495328694 to view this change. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Tzar_of_Culture&diff=0&oldid=495328694 for all changes since your last visit. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Tzar_of_Culture for the current revision.

To contact the editor, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TowTrucker — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Tzar of Culture (talk • contribs) 02:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

How would one find a bot owner for a task?

I just noticed that Template:Infobox_musical_artist has a category of associated articles with deprecated parameters that currently numbers nearly 4,000. The parameters that need fixed are "Born =" (replaced by Template:Birth date and age for the living and Template:Birth date for deceased) and "Died =" (replaced by Template:Death date and age. I have begun plugging away at them but I am slowed by my obsession with actually reading the articles and making whatever improvements I can. How could one contact a qualified bot owner and request a task? - UnbelievableError (talk) 02:16, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Start at WP:BOTREQ RudolfRed (talk) 02:48, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Looks like exactly the place. - UnbelievableError (talk) 02:53, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

apurva palanpura

he is great flut player — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhinavpalanpura9 (talk • contribs) 04:34, 1 June 2012‎ (UTC+1)

What is your question? Nyttend (talk) 04:08, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

What is a great flut?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:10, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Presumably "he is a great flute player". Nyttend (talk) 11:49, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Short footnotes

hello,

someone please help fixing Ref 67 on Fyodor Dostoyevsky. Thanks.--GoP_T^C_{N 07:41, 1 June 2012 (UTC)}

It works now for me. I submitted an edit fixing the problem, but for some reason, no edit by me is shown in the page history or my contributions, so I can't say whether the fact that it works now (at least for me) is due to my actions or not. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 08:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

(I must have edited it in some form, since the article is now on my watchlist and since I didn't watch the page manually, but have the option automatically watch pages I edit enabled, I seem to have edited the page in some form. Weird.) -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 08:19, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I have fixed the author order in the ref so the link to their book works.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 08:34, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Chemical structures, help on copyright status.

Hello and I wish you a happy Brion Vibber Day. On this auspicious day of Wikipedia, I have got some questions to ask about the copyright status of structures of chemical compounds. According to the template {{PD-chem}}, a chemical structure cannot be copyrighted. It reads as follows,
This image of a simple structural formula is ineligible for copyright and therefore in the public domain, because it consists entirely of individual words, simple geometric shapes and information that is common property and contains no original authorship.
I have the following doubts,

• Does every molecular structure (like ball and socket structures) gets this copyright status?
• Can we upload every structure on this internet including those which belongs to copyrighted pages/articles?
• What about reaction mechanism? Can I draw the same mechanism that I found in a book and upload it with this copyright status? i.e; are reaction mechanism in public domain?
• The chemical drawing program is copyrighted and says "For educational use only". Does this status apply to the molecules drawn out of them? If so, then can I upload it to commons?
• Where in wikipedia and her sister projects can we use images of commons? Is every image, including those which are copyrighted, usable in articles? I know that copyrighted images cannot be used in user pages, but can they be in articles?
• One more question: Where should have been these questions asked; Village pump or Help desk? Sorry if I was wrong and please notify me in that case.→Vanischenu^TM 07:56, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

• I believe in order to decide whether a particular work is copyrightable or not it has to be evaluated whether the work is original enough to be eligible for copyright protection (see Commons:Threshold of originality). My guess is, that these visualizations of molecular structures, as consisting only of simple geometric shapes, are generally ineligible for copyright protection, as they are not creative enough.
• To your second point: I think works (images) depicting more complex structures might be eligible for copyright protection, once they reach a particular level of complexity, since at some point the shapes the structure consists of would no longer be "simple".
• I don't think chemical formulas are copyrightable in general. But a particular depiction of a formula that involves an amount of creativity might be copyrightable. My guess is that File:BromoethaneSN2reaction-small.png is ineligible for copyright protection, as that formula does not constitute a creative work, such as say a poem or a drawing and only consists of simple geometric shapes, such as dots, lines and letters.

I suggest to bring this question up again at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 10:06, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

The thing with chemical formulas is that there's only one way to depict them — rearrange the atoms, and you'll get a different molecule. As a result, every accurate depiction of this reaction will look the same. As for your program, they mean that the software itself is copyrighted, but not the images that it produces. Nyttend (talk) 11:55, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Becoming a computing advisor and also submitting a company wiki page

All,

Could I have assistance and guidance on the following two points as I wish to contribute to Wikipedia:

1)Could someone advise me on how to create a company wiki page.

2)As a datacenter and I.T. specialist of 20 years I would like to also offer my expertise in reviewing and advising on computing content.

Many thanks and kind regards,

Damion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Damionlock (talk • contribs) 09:48, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Damionlock. Regarding your first question, probably don't bother. Wikipedia is not a listings directory. If your company is notable, per our notability guidelines, then someone will create an article about it sooner or later - that someone shouldn't be you, to avoid any conflict of interest.

Regarding your offer of assistance, fantastic! We can always use more expert assistance. I'd suggest joining the Computing WikiProject, where you'll find other like-minded editors and a ton of tasks that need doing. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:14, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Need to make diffs edit changes more visible

I'm having trouble seeing marked changes when I do diff (e.g. this. For the ones without a -/+ next to it, I dont' see any changes and don't know why it appears in the diff. For the ones with a -/+ next to it, the left column shows a yellow background with the change highlighted in a light yellow, which I have a very hard time finding sometimes. The right column has light blue markings for the changes, and I have a hard time seeing those as well when the change is very minor (a space, a period, etc.). Instead of faint pastel yellow/blue color scheme, I would like to see the the changes highlighted in very bright colors - red, deep yellow, etc. I just changed my preference to "Display diffs with the new yellow/blue color scheme and design that improves accessibility" and I don't see any improvement in visibility of the edits. Anything else I can try? -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 11:24, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I just tried the "Display diffs with the old yellow/green colors and design." gadgets option. It's better - highlighting some changes in red - but it still misses some. If you look at the change in line 63 in link, a space was removed from the text "larger lots as well. ... The" so that it now reads, "many larger lots as well...." Is there a way to have that change highlighted in the diff? Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 11:32, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I use User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff which for me provides a much easier to follow diff view and you can see spacing changes much more distinctly. If you want to try it out, go to Special:MyPage/skin.js, add the following and then clear your cache:

 // install User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff enhanced diff view using ajax
 importScript('User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff.js');

--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:39, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Winter Park High School, Winter Park Florida

The article shows Winter Park High School is located in Wilmington NC but it is actually located in Winter Park Florida.