Hie. You reverted my edits on the Shawshank redemption with the reason "reception is mentioned above"; but is isn't! In fact, the parts related to reception, are also mentioned in the legacy part. [[User:Parham 80|]] ([[User talk:Parham 80|talk]]) 18:16, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Hie. You reverted my edits on the Shawshank redemption with the reason "reception is mentioned above"; but is isn't! In fact, the parts related to reception, are also mentioned in the legacy part. [[User:Parham 80| ]] ([[User talk:Parham 80|talk]]) 18:16, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
P. S. excuse me for my bad using of words; I'm a very amateur English speaker.
P. S. excuse me for my bad using of words; I'm a very amateur English speaker.
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:"Reception" we generally consider as what people say as the movie is out and released, and that stuff is presently covered in the "Critical response" section (which could be called Reception). In "Legacy" we consider what the film is perceived as after some time, in this case the AFI lists and the like. There's a distinction there that we typically make. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
:"Reception" we generally consider as what people say as the movie is out and released, and that stuff is presently covered in the "Critical response" section (which could be called Reception). In "Legacy" we consider what the film is perceived as after some time, in this case the AFI lists and the like. There's a distinction there that we typically make. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
::Well, I used to think that legacy is for the film's effects on next ages and reception means film's achievements in lists and critics. anyway, it isn't a very big matter. [[User:Parham 80|]] ([[User talk:Parham 80|talk]]) 15:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
::Well, I used to think that legacy is for the film's effects on next ages and reception means film's achievements in lists and critics. anyway, it isn't a very big matter. [[User:Parham 80| ]] ([[User talk:Parham 80|talk]]) 15:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
P. S. Again excuse me for my bad using of words.
P. S. Again excuse me for my bad using of words.
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== Hi ==
Could you also comment on [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Hannah Montana DVDs|these]] [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Home Media releases|two]]. Thanks! [[User:Bumblebee9999|Bumblebee9999]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee9999|talk]]) 01:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
:Thank you for your comment on [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Hannah Montana DVDs]], if you could could you also comment on [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Home Media releases|this one]]? Thanks! [[User:Bumblebee9999|Bumblebee9999]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee9999|talk]]) 02:02, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
::and now you're canvassing. —[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="Gold">琉竜</font>]]) 07:51, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Hey, sorry I was in the middle of reworking my edit when you did yours. I think commercial success or failure for software needs to be defined like it is at the top of hardware for this article. 96.241.137.95 (talk) 14:57, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hey! I am almost finished with my draft for Thirty Flights of Loving, before I take it to FA. Since you were the original writer of the article (thanks for that); I would like to share the nomination with you. After all, it was a joint effort to make the article what it is, and what it would be :) Cheers! — ΛΧΣ21Call me Hahc2123:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't oppose the Doctor Who story arc page being moved to individual pages, but Doctor Who (series 5) is already GA and I was wondering if sources would need to be added to the future summary to keep that status up to date. Also, I worked on adding summaries to each episode (for most of them anyway), so is the summary section always necessary? Glimmer721talk02:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The idea is that if Story Arcs went away, then the wikilink to "crack in the universe" would find its home on Series 5 where the series summary would focus on that arching aspect. (at most, 2 paragraphs long and not touching on every episode, just the key points) As a plot summary it wouldn't need sourcing but it easily can be from non-primary sources since I know that various review/commentary sites followed the cracks theme. So it should not "break" the GA at all. --MASEM (t) 05:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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I know you're only doing your job, and doing it for the betterment of the encyclopedia. As you've seen in the discussion, I will go to the point of researching the image beyond the established claim of fair-use to see if it is actually includable under another license. I learned hard and fast on image copyrights through experience here; and I certainly respect the difficult role of keeping copyrighted images off of WP, tremendously. But there are unusual cases that blanket interpretations of #8 & #3 don't do any justice. This is one of them. I appreciate your input there, and no hard feelings to you or any other editor. Cheers :) Doctalk04:54, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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MLP Episode 78 "Simple Ways" - Possible Writer Error
I put TBA in the 'Written by' section of the MLP episode "Simple Ways" cause the "Bats!" episode had Meghan McCarthy as the writer, not Merriwether Williams. The writer for "Simple Ways" might not be Meghan McCarthy. --Asaraullo05 12:45, 17 January 2014 (PST)
The press release for Bats! correctly had Williams listed as writer; it was only the episode title card that was wrong. There's no reason to doubt the press release at this time for the Simple Ways episode. --MASEM (t) 20:46, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Masem, I wonder if I could ask your advice about image releases. I'm looking for photographs of Plamil Foods products for the article about them. There are plenty on Flickr that I could probably get releases for. I'm thinking of images like this one. My question is whether a release from the photographer is enough for an image like that, where a company's products are displayed. Any advice would be appreciated. SlimVirgin(talk)22:42, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The core issue you're pointing to is the "de minimus" aspect , if the product artwork is the center of the image that would make it a derivative work of Plamil's copyright. I would probably say that this would be considered de minimus - the focus of that photo is not so much on the packaging artwork, but on the overall display of the product, but that is a point that someone else might consider an issue in the future. But if we assume de mininus applies, then yes you only need the photographer's consent for a free image to use as a free image.
As another point, some of those packaging labels are simply text, which would fail the threshold of originality. And since you can't copyright the utility of the packaging approach (the celophane), photos of packages with those labels would definitely be clear of any copyrights save that of the photographer. This would make even more reasonable that you only need to get the photographer's consent to use as free. --MASEM (t) 23:03, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Even though we discussed this in the article's talk page previously, I'm still conflicted as to what the purpose of citing each of The Hub's episodic press releases are. Episodes that have been made publicly available (via broadcast or otherwise) are already primary sources of themselves. Since the references are placed directly after the titles, this implies that the references are used to verify those titles. But since each episode already features the title, citing them is made redundant. WP:ABOUTSELF makes it clear not to base articles primarily on such sources. If the references for the titles that have been broadcast were taken out, I don't think doing so would harm the notability of the article at all. Instead, I think that would give more incentive to expand the article with more secondary and tertiary sources. — Whisternefet (t · c) 00:56, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Using press release to cite first broadcast details of an episode is not a sourcing problem; the season already is shown notable by other sources, and using primary sources to affirm factual data is fine. --MASEM (t) 00:59, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not what I was trying to say, which is that the episodes are already primary sources. Since the references are placed after the title, their function is to serve as a reference for the titles. This would be necessary if the episodes were broadcast without titles. But since they are, citing the press releases is entirely redundant. You don't see list articles like List of Lost or Family Guy episodes provide citations of itself after every title: it's superfluous. If each episode displays a title, then why does that title require further verification using a press release about it? — Whisternefet (t · c) 01:47, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
True, the episodes themselves are sources for title and production credits, but airdates remain separate from that. These should be used to support the airdate and can be moved there. --MASEM (t) 02:15, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The air dates are already referenced through the Zap2it ref in the "Original air date" column header. That reference applies to every air date listed in the column, excluding those not broadcast yet, for which we can reference air dates individually until it has been broadcast (since it's not as obvious for the reader). — Whisternefet (t · c) 02:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Technically, the Zap2It references are primary sources as well (they aren't analyzing or interpreting the data). The only reason the press releases are better sources is that they give all the casting and writing credits too. There is nothing wrong with number of primary sources - even if we end up with 26 different press releases; that's not the issue that when we talk about basing an article on too many primary sources. You can check with the TV wikiproject to see if they have any more advice, I just don't think there's harm here yet. --MASEM (t) 02:32, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
January 20th, you restored my edition of Clementine (The Walking Dead) in good faith. I hope I didn't do anything stupid, but I would see the image (File:Clementine, from The Walking Dead, A Telltale Game Series.png) in the article)
Thank you for the attention,
Yoshidome — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshidome (talk • contribs) 20:24, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that we don't have any reason - yet - to include a separate image of Clementine from the second season. She looks the same as the first (perhaps a bit taller, but that's trivial) and our NFC requirements set a higher bar for inclusion. Also, it is a very dark image and not useful for identifying her compared to the existing image .--MASEM (t) 20:27, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to reduce this to 300X300px, but the file page claims this is PD. What do you think? Is this really a PD image that I could add to the Hendrix bio? GabeMc(talk|contribs)22:31, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Following the discussions on Commons, it is apparently PD (due to lack of Copyright notice and renewal), so yes, it can be used freely on that page. --MASEM (t) 22:35, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I saw your reversion of my edits. Do you know what else I can use as a source? This is a real issue and affected every customer who bought those games from Telltale's store and feel that it's important that some mention is made. eyeball226 (talk) 00:29, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately if only users on the forum are reporting it, and Telltale hasn't made its own statement towards it, there's no reliable source that can be used. We need a site like IGN or those in WP:VG/RS explain there's an issue so that we know this is not something made up by users or that it not as severe as it seems. (even if it is true, WP has higher validation standards.) So I would keep my eyes out for a statement by Telltale that addresses there's an issue and then that can be used as a source. (We have similar problems when things happen on Steam and users claim there's a major issue, we have to wait until we have third-party confirmation or first-party clarification). --MASEM (t) 00:39, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, that's difficult as Telltale have not commented publicly on the matter. All I have directly from them are emails from their support department and know people who have also had similar (and unfruitful) dealings with their support department. Obviously those emails wouldn't be suitable. Thank you for the advice though. eyeball226 (talk) 00:45, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I know it was leaked, I've seen it. But it has subsequently been pulled making the information unverifable. We'll wait until the episode properly airs to include that information. --MASEM (t) 03:52, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This is specifically of WP:NFCC#2 for commercial opportunity. If the photo is owned by a photo agency like Getty, and the photo specifically isn't subject of discussion, we cannot use it because there are people that actually sell that photo for money. No other reason otherwise why we can't use it. --MASEM (t) 17:25, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This goes to the point that Doc was making. The metal image of Jimi burning the guitar is discussed in detail, but that specific photo, on the other hand, is not. And as there are other photos of Jimi burning the guitar, we have to see if any of those are not as restricted (eg do not belong to an agency like AP or Gettys). --MASEM (t) 17:42, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the exact image is discussed by two authors: Musicologist David Moskowitz wrote: "The image of Jimi kneeling over his burning guitar at Monterey became one of the most iconic pictures of the era."[128] and Author Michael Heatley wrote: "The iconic image by Ed Caraeff of Hendrix summoning the flames higher with his fingers will forever conjure up memories of Monterey for those who were there and the majority of us who weren't."[121] Isn't that enough in-line critical commentary? GabeMc(talk|contribs)17:58, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is not clear if that still photo is the one of discussion, since there are at least 6 to 7 others out there from a Google Image search. Any of those capture the "image" of him burning the guitar , and while they are all likely non-free, one of them that does not fail NFCC#2 would be appropriate to be the subject of discussion for the article. But with NFCC#2 now in question on that specific one, we have to look for an alternative, and if all of them are Getty's, past practice would not allow us to use any of the photos unless on their own those one of those photos was notable. --MASEM (t) 18:06, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's not likely that one sentence in one source is enough to make it "iconic" enough, especially when dealing with Getty images. It would probably have to be discussed in many sources to be iconic enough, as in something like File:Kent State massacre.jpg. Doctalk18:25, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's a good start, for sure. From my experience, admins who delete on the side of caution do not like letting Getty images in at all, so see what Masem says. Doctalk18:36, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Now that we have a photographer's name, it's clear that specific photo is the one people considered as the iconic one. I'm seeing more sources that do talk about the photo in that context, and at this point, I would say the weight of sourced discussion overrides the NFCC# issue. A different concern becomes how to show that in the article without going too far off tract from being about Jimi. --MASEM (t) 18:51, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would think you'd also have to swap out anything in the FUR (i.e. anything after the first quote in the "Purpose of use" section) that only pertains to the "mental image" for these sources that pertain to this exact image. Doctalk18:54, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It should be noted that while the FUR states: "The reduced resolution is not of a high enough quality that it could compete with the copyright holder's commercial interest", it is very clear that it is of equal resolution to the original. Doctalk17:57, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Are you aware of any prgrams that reduce resolution? Also, what if we invented a watermark that read: "For educational purposes only"? That would certainly take care of NFCC#2? GabeMc(talk|contribs)18:09, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It would be completely inappropriate to add a watermark, as for one, we can't change the license on that photo. --MASEM (t) 18:51, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Might I suggest asking that at WP:NFCR, or letting me ask that? We're not talking about outright deletion so FFD is not right, but it would be a good place to judge on the NFCC#2 issues. I believe I can explain how we're at this point to get the proper judgement there, but if you want to initiate it, that's fine. I personally think we're on the edge of keeping it, but I'm one voice. --MASEM (t) 20:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think you've got enough there, the conundrum here is that when we allow NFCC#2, its for phots notable on their own and for a stand-alone page for them. Where the issues may come is using that image in context of Jimi's article instead of its own, but this is a case where it makes sense to have it on Jimi's article. I am 99% assured this photo can be used on WP, but some make say "you should make its own article" since you have 5 sources talking about it, and that makes it clear why we can ignore NFCC#2 for this. --MASEM (t) 20:25, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As a stand-alone article it would be a stub of one small paragraph; unless we dragged in lots of detail about Hendrix that really doesn't belong. Most of the sources say the exact same thing, so its not really like five that expand on the different aspects of the point. They all agree that its iconic, and two give a little bit of background. It is one of two or three seminal moments in Hendrix's life, and it made a significant impact on his career. It makes perfect sense at the Hendrix article. The section is about Monterey and the aftermath as it pertains to Hendrix. GabeMc(talk|contribs)20:33, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No because these agencies want to license their photos they own at any resolution, hence simple reduction as to meet NFCC#3a doesn't fix anything in NFCC#2's issue. --MASEM (t) 21:04, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, that would be worse. It will have the same problems and be worse for the readership with the watermark. And just because it's online and freely downloadable doesn't mean it is a free or safe/fair use of the image. --MASEM (t) 01:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Masem, I notice that GabeMc is listing NFCC#4 again as a reason to delete the mugshot at the new NFCR. Do you believe that it is more likely than not that the source (again, directly answerable to Time Warner) published the mug without even considering the permission of the copyright holder? Doctalk01:12, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's been published - whether under the copyright holder's (if there is copyright) consent or not. So NFCC#4 doesn't apply save for figuring out the copyright term length. --MASEM (t) 01:15, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
He doesn't contest that it was previously published - he's saying it was published without the "true" copyright holder's permission, thus it fails #4. But who is the true copyright holder? No one conclusive, yet. I'm tired of beating my head on the desk on just this one point, and I will make my NFCR comments brief so to avoid walls of redundant explanatory text. Cheers :) Doctalk01:34, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's basically a non-argument at this point - it's been published widely, irregardless of permission, so we're not going to consider NFCC#4. At the more basic level, at that time, a mugshot would have been developed shortly after its taking and clipped into their file, so for purposes of publication, that's the point that publication started.. --MASEM (t) 02:33, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I figured on #4. Now... you are sure that we can't publish watermarked images that Getty is just "giving away" by having them on their site? Facepalm. I was forced to learn hard and fast on the simple basics of image policy long ago; and I'm hoping that it becomes similarly clear in a quick way for GabeMc. Cheers :) Doctalk04:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, watermarked or not, the bar to include an image that is only available through an image service like Gettys or AP is extremely high, requiring significant discussion on the photo itself. --MASEM (t) 04:12, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're right, but since I've commented in three different discussions before on it, I rather appear to push for its deletion. --MASEM (t) 20:22, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi - there is currently a discussion on ANI, the details arn't really important, about NFCR and I think there is a need for more admins working that area. I reviewed the board looking for some possible RfA candidates that participate there quite a bit and I saw that you actually participate there quite a bit. Is there any chance that you might consider changing your role into taking a more admin-presense there instead of editor? I'm also looking at possibly noming a few folks, I currently have User:ТимофейЛееСуда in mind, but I've yet to speak to them. Do you have any other candidates in mind that work that area?--v/r - TP21:49, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm already an admin so the RfA would not be necessary. My major concern is that my role at NFCR has been more to discuss the points, and most probably know I fall on a stricter adherence to NFC. It is possible for me to be more a closer at least in the discussions I haven't been involved with but I've purposely stayed away from direct admin action save for obvious cases to prevent some calling out me as being jury, judge and executioner when it comes to NFC. If you think it is reason to deal with cases that I have not participated in and close them as neutrally as I can, then I can do more to close out discussions. --MASEM (t) 22:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it'd help if you could be a closer there. But I think we shouldn't put all of that responsibility on you alone. I'd like to at least send ТимофейЛееСуда to RfA and maybe one other. I think in cases of BLP and Copyright, it's better to err on the side of harsher enforcement and so I don't think your take on NFCC will be an issue. What we need, though, are admins who know the criteria well and have experience in applying them. We can't just stick any ol' admin in that area and expect them to understand the application of the criteria in the discussions and whether it's a load of crap or a true application of policy.--v/r - TP22:28, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I do agree with your assessment of ТимофейЛееСуда for RfA. And as long as I have other admins' "blessing" to speak to close when I am direct uninvolved but otherwise considered involved in NFC, I feel more comfortable in doing more, as long as if editors start criticizing me of being involved, I can point to something like what you said here that it is considered okay as long as I'm not closing debates I'm clearly involved with. --MASEM (t) 22:41, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As far as my understanding of WP:INVOLVED goes, being involved in a topic area does not make you involved in a discussion or dispute. That's a broad definition. So unless you were directly involved in the discussion, I think it's quite a stretch to call you involved. I've been called a deletionist and I still close AfD discussions. I think you're safe and I think NFCR needs an admin who is verse in NFCC but might be a bit strict much more than they need an admin who is oblivious to NFCC. Besides, Fastily was considered harsh and he worked that area for years successfully.--v/r - TP23:00, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Another FFD
So, now that we've proven that critical commentary about the Hendrix mugshot cannot be sourced do we start another FFD, and if so, are you willing to do that, because Doc will blab on and on about any imperfections in the language. GabeMc(talk|contribs)02:17, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop following me around and insulting me. You agreed with the NFCR and the closing admin recommended the RfC. Please stop badgering and hounding my every move. GabeMc(talk|contribs)02:27, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You're kidding, I hope. I have commented several times on this talk page; and I am absolutely not "hounding" you. There was no "insult" in anything I posted above. Doctalk02:32, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm not kidding. I think that your behavior has crossed over into hounding and badgering, and I respectfully request that you stop following me around and trying to undermine my every action. You are being a bully, Doc; please stop. GabeMc(talk|contribs)02:35, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Now I'm a bully? Read WP:HOUND. Following "your every action" is described there. Unless Masem tells me not to post here, I am under no obligation to avoid this page. To assuage your fears of "hounding": I will never (quite voluntarily) post to your talk page ever again. You can post to mine anytime you want, however. You see me "following you around" outside of your crusade to delete this image: report me. And you'd better have some evidence of "hounding". Doctalk02:41, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would not be comfortable in the idea of an FFD at this time with 3 concurrent discussions going. I was against the NCFR even going in the place, the discussion should be limited to the RFC at Hendrix. Now that we have shown that the source that mostly likely would have talked about the mugshot doesn't, disproving the supposition of the last FFD's close, the case for removal is now clear at that RFC, and there an uninvolved, should he find the same, should close the RFC and delete the image to stop extending this round-robin of discussions. --MASEM (t) 02:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nah. The RfC is fatally flawed, as it is the only pre-loaded pseudo-deletion discussion that guarantees victory for those pushing for deletion based on a known "no consensus" outcome. Removal based on a "no consensus to retain" will be aggressively appealed, as it is out of process by design. We do not build consensus in this way. Doctalk03:17, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We need consolidation of the RFC/NFCR discussions and closing the DRV, in the first place. Whether to keep or delete the image has to be done at one location. However, calling the RFC flawed is wrong - NFCCE requires that the rational be considered by consensus to be valid, or otherwise it should be deleted. This floating "no consensus" will remain a problem otherwise. --MASEM (t) 03:31, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There really is nothing different about this image, or the normal process of handling it; or how the outcome of "no consensus" is determined in cases like this. Nothing in the first two points of WP:NOCONSENSUS addresses images with claimed subjective NFCC issues regarding particular images. We do not default to delete based solely on claims of NFCC failure. And we do not determine a "new consensus" through a sham RfC by utterly ignoring the previous consensus (which is falsely claimed to never have existed). Doctalk03:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Since the last 3 FFDs on the image have been "no consensus" that means there is no consensus from the start for retaining the image. And NFCCE says we delete if no valid rationale can be made for a non-free; that has to be one agreed to be consensus. The only reason it was keep with no consensus in the last FFD was because of the possible connection that could be made and which has been explored now and shown unlikely to be made. This is the change that now comes into play, in addition to the fact that "no consensus" is not a state we leave NFC in. If you can't justify inclusion of the image beyond a doubt to sway consensus, it needs to be deleted. --MASEM (t) 04:09, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's not what policy says. And it's not what policy instructs editors to do: the default is plainly to keep rather than delete. Subjective opinions on the NFCC do not a consensus make unless there's an actual consensus. With a policy this wide-open to interpretation, we must fall back on what is already in place for instruction. Opening multiple noticeboard entries on the same issue is not the way to achieve consensus. That's "Consensus 101"-type stuff. Doctalk04:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For any other xFD, that may be true, but NFC requires consensus to keep, per policy and the Foundation resolution. --MASEM (t) 04:39, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A quick search of the NFC guideline page for the terms "consensus", "default" and "keep" do little to clarify this position for me. I also suggest that a better source for the Monterey image be found aside from this garbage source. WP:BLOGS clarifies what sources we should appropriately link to, as an encyclopedia. This source fails RS in every way imaginable. Doctalk05:33, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I concur. It should be switched out, then. Will you do the honors? I don't want to ask the uploader, as apparently I've been a'hounding him :( Doctalk06:00, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - but not for me! It's really is better (and ultimately safer) that way. I definitely respect you as an admin, BTW. If I've insulted your character in the past because of an issue we disagree over, I do apologize. We can agree to disagree on certain things, and no bad feelings towards you, GabeMc, or anyone else in this issue. It's strictly business, nothing personal. Cheers :) Doctalk06:28, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Inserting MIDI clip in a page
Hi.
Do you know of any method to insert a MIDI clip with description in a page? Embedded player does not seem to appear in this case; I tried {{Listen MIDI}} and {{Listen}} too. The first does not accept a description and the second just tries to implement an embedded player.
As best as I can tell, no. An option if you want to have the audio available is to record the MIDI yourself as a usable normal audio file which would have the same license as the MIDI. --MASEM (t) 15:18, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Masem, you've made a couple of comments to the effect that if the article only detailed Hendrix's drug use more that the mugshot image might be appropriate. Please don't go there because: 1) Believe it or not, he was not the druggie that people think; reliable sources support the fact that his useage was not anything above average, 2) it plays into the stereotype that he was a drug addict that ODed, but he was not an addict and his overdose was accidental; all he wanted was sleep, not to get high on drugs. I will absolutely not support any additions to that effect as WP:UNDUE, so please don't encourage editors to make a case for Hendrix's drug use as a way to retain the mugshot, because to do so would be to move the focus away from where it should be to a place that it shouldn't be. The preponderance of reliable sources agree that as far as the 1960s, he wasn't as into substances as most rock stars. GabeMc(talk|contribs)21:38, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Except, that's exactly the route BDD suggested in the FFD close. It is improper not to go there, given how the sources are clear that by the time this arrest happened, he considered himself clean. I'm in no way implicating that he died by drug overdose, but that all the arguments on the mugshot have required me to read the sources and show that showing that he had done drugs but went clean by this point is one of the few reasons to even begin justifying the mugshot, as to explain the "I can't believe this" look he had. --MASEM (t) 21:41, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
But DDD does not control article content over what the sources say. He can't demand that we source something that isn't reliably verifiable; thus forcing a WP:SYNTH. He was wrong about that. Its a very minor point overall, but I will tell you that Hendrix was lying about his drug use. He perjured himself several times during the trial, and he later laughed about how ridiculous his claim of quitting weed was. He didn't use heroin, which is what he was arrested for (and hash). Trust me, its a gigantic bag-of-worms that cannot be dealt with fairly in the summary article, but to suggest that they need to build-up material about his drug use to justify the image is a very bad idea. GabeMc(talk|contribs)21:51, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also, as far as Hendrix being surprised about what customs found its interesting to note that during the trial the prosecutor directed a line of questioning regarding Jimi's reaction, and the prosecutor implied that Hendrix said that he didn't see the officer find the drugs, but when asked about them by the officer seemed to already know that they came from his bag. So, to pursue the angle of how surprised he was would be to repeat what sympathetic writers have repeated despite the facts, which indicate otherwise. Here is a link to a transcript of Hendrix's testimony. GabeMc(talk|contribs)23:37, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Unless you have sources to counter the claims that those other articles have, we have to go with what sources actually provide. --MASEM (t) 00:06, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How surprised could he have been if he was warned about it just 15 hours prior. Some sources have him being warned on the plane just minutes before. GabeMc(talk|contribs)00:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ignoring the issue of the mugshot use, if you believe how the drug use and arrest section is presenting a one-sided view of the situation, you should probably demonstrate this on the Hendrix talk page citing the sources that you believe are counter to what are there. If that section is not reflecting the sourcing appropriate, then there is a serious problem and that section has to be rewritten. --MASEM (t) 00:51, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Don't you see that the bit about "Purple Haze" isn't a myth, its an error? It was recorded 6 months before Monterey, so the story is complete bunk. How can a song be about a drug that was named after an event that had not yet taken place? And why would we give space to a false story about "Purple Haze" in an overview article about Hendrix that already devotes 14% of the words to drugs and is also as long as it should be? Are you playing with me? Or are you just that confused? GabeMc(talk|contribs)22:41, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Some people are going to come to the article (before reading anything there) with the myth that Hendrix was a junkie, which you've said from your sources is certainly not the case. Then spell this out for the reader to present that 1) there are myths about Hendrix' drug use and 2) they are false because of various examples you can set. Avoiding these myths when you can say you can prove them false is what you should be doing, otherwise that's sweeping a known issue under the rug. --MASEM (t) 22:47, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
it does not. my restrictions are IBAN related. You could've emailed me before hand, to make sure, but since you assumed, i will edit it for the sake of no more advantageous editors looking at my talkpage and reporting me in ANI for another dumb case of bad-faith. Next time you ASSUME that i'm breaking any rules that relate to that, just e-mail me to verify.Lucia Black (talk) 16:46, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
...[1] The photo credit of "Miami-Dade Corrections and Rehabilitation Department" makes {{PD-FLGov}} 100% valid. I said I wouldn't upload it, but now I'm wondering what would happen if I did... Doctalk07:19, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You're 100% right it is a valid image in terms of license. The concern I'd raise is the BLP implications; for example if you happened to catch on camera a celebrity doing something lewd in otherwise public locations, while it would be a free image it would also be defamation of character and likely removed on that ground. --MASEM (t) 14:59, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi - you retagged this image as being a candidate for transfer to commons. My understanding is that this isn't true; the image was published in France, and is not yet in the public domain there. For Commons, the rule is "Uploads of non-U.S. works are normally allowed only if the work is either in the public domain or covered by a valid free license in both the U.S. and the country of origin of the work. The "country of origin" of a work is generally the country where the work was first published." I'm not sure how to manage copyright tagging in this situation. Cheers, Easchiff (talk) 05:25, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It was one of a handful of photos that the San Francisco Public Library had given me written permission to use in Wikipedia. I submitted that photo of the docks under Fair Use and it successfully went thorough its Non-Free Content Review process. Since then I submitted 2 other photos that were also granted written permission by SF Library on the same permission form, and were also taken before 1923 suggesting that they are in Public Domain. I submitted the 2 new photos under Public Domain but apparently User:Sfan00_IMG ( is he related to User:Stefan2 of Non-Free Content Review? ) has suggested that their status be changed and tagged the files with templates. And User:Sfan00_IMG has also tagged the Pacific Street Docks photo with a new template. And to add to the confusion, User:Sfan00_IMG came up with differing judgements for the 3 photos which appear to have the same copyright properties. Here are the 3 photos including the same photo that was sent to Non-Free Content Review by User:Stefan2,
It is unclear why User:Sfan00 IMG thinks that the copyright tag is wrong. The uploader failed to specify where the files were first published, so the copyright status can't be determined. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:01, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There is a possibility that the Terrific Street photo can be shown to be PD. Per the link to the SF library archives, I see there is a newsprint caption associated with that; that means it was published in a newspaper, very likely. If that was before 1923, the work is definitely PD. I'd try asking the library if they can date that publication. There are other cases it might be PD if it was after that, but would require a copyright notice if it was before 1989.
But Stefan's right here - barring any identification of the photo's publication, the non-free tag and license appear correct. --MASEM (t) 15:58, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I am still confused. Which of the 3 photos received incorrect new tags, and how should I deal with that? Is the Fair Use classification of the Docks photo now in jeopardy again? James Carroll (talk) 16:35, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The uploader should always specify where a photograph was originally published. Alternatively, the uploader could postpone the upload until 95 years have passed since 1977, when it will be sufficient to show that the photographer has been dead for at least 70 years. --Stefan2 (talk) 16:43, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If the original publication is not known but have been published since (as these photos all have been, through the SF Library), the approach that James took to upload them is proper. the NFCC#4 issue is null here since the SF Library has published the photos even if they aren't the original photographer, and the previous discussion clearly shows NFCC#1 is met. I'm not commenting on how well any of the other NFCC criteria are met, but there's no reason to remove these images on the licensing issues alone. They are still likely non-free due to fully knowing publication though creation date is known, and US copyright law does define the term for such works. --MASEM (t) 17:03, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's not true. We have no idea when these were published first, which is the difficulty here. If they were published before 1923, then yes, they'd be PD but we have no clear evidence of that. See commons:Commons:Hirtle chart. --MASEM (t) 19:43, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Masem, please tell me if I now have now this correctly...
It looks like the photo that I tried to upload as Public Domain (Dance Halls of Pacific Street...) will have to have be processed as Fair Use, and so I must add the Non-Free Use Rational to the Summary part of the photos file. After that, I still need to attend to its presence on the Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files page. I'm guessing I should say on that page that a Non-Free Use Rational template was added, and also include references to this discussion from your talk page discussion. Can one of you guys pull that photo from the Possibly_unfree_files page's list, or do I have to allow the discussion play out on that page? Should I be doing more to avoid deletion of the photo?
Are the other 2 photos (Docks and Terrific Street), which were uploaded as Fair Use and already have Non-Free Use Rationals in their Summaries, safe from deletion? If so, who has the authority to process/remove the "wrong license" Tag off those photos' files? Can I do that after a brief explanation on the photo's Talk Page? Thanx. James Carroll (talk) 21:34, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For the Dance halls, all you need to do is tag it with a non-free license, add a non-free rationale, and then go ahead and remove the "possibly unfree files" template since you've resolved that issue (That will remove that from being listed). Same with the other two photos for now, simply to remove the warning issues. You have every right to fix the issues related to the warning and remove those themselves as they are just tags that put them into categorys; assuming in good faith you fix them, you can remove the tagged yourself. --MASEM (t) 21:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No sooner did I insert the Non-Free Use Rational templates to the Summary, than User:Stefan2 inserted a new complaining template that said that the this old grainy photo had to be Re-Sized? Is that really necessary? Is there any appeals route to allow the photo to stay at its current modest size, which is much smaller than the other scans that the San Francisco Public Library is offering?James Carroll (talk) 23:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I restored the orphan tags as they are presently not used (that was my bad). James, you should add those images to the Terriifc Street article ASAP - once you do, you can go ahead and remove the "di-orphaned" template. However, Stefan is right that the full size image isn't appropriate while these are determined to be non-free. If we later can access these as free, then we can restore the full size image. --MASEM (t) 23:59, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Masem, you mentioned during the Pound image discussion that it might be a good idea to look for people on Commons with expertise on older images and copyright. Can you think of anyone I could approach? I've become quite interested in the image, and I'd like to figure out how we can determine its status. SlimVirgin(talk)03:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, and to be clear, I'm not in any way trying to delete the image, it's fine as non-free at worst; just want to make sure our copyright bases are covered. --MASEM (t) 04:31, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I understand, it's fine. It's just something I've become intrigued by, an interesting mystery: how come there are two copies, how did they end up where they did, where is the negative, etc. I'm sure we'll never be able to find all that out, but I'm interested in pursuing the threads, and if we find it's free all the better. SlimVirgin(talk)05:32, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Overzealous Photo Processor Pursuing New Persistent Deletion Maneuvers
User:Stefan2 seems like he is obsessing about the same historic photos which have already received much discussion by all of us, despite the fact that the San Francisco Public Library has given written permission for them to be used in Wikipedia. As you recall, first he complained about questionable publication dates, and so we had to change the status from Public Domain to Fair use. Then he further demanded that photos, though old and grainy, be reduced in size.
Well, now he is creating new reasons to have the photos deleted from the articles and is contending that they are not relevant to the articles, despite that they are directly discussed within different articles. User:Stefan2 is again raising the argument of Publication Date as a rational for deletion, even after it was previously discussed by all of us. He is also again trying to use the issue of Replacability as deletion criteria despite the fact that it was previously stated that Replacability is not seen as a significant factor for old historic photos.
Thank you for posting on the issue concerning WP:NFCC#1 , but his complaint still contends that WP:NFCC#3a (Minimal number of items) and WP:NFCC#8 (Contextual significance) are valid criteria for the deletion of the photos, despite the fact that my response gives evidence that they are not valid issues for deletion in this particular situation.
Could you please also weigh in on the criteria of WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFCC#8 as well, otherwise the photos could be unnecessarily deleted? James Carroll (talk) 20:33, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
User:Stefan2 continues to target photos for deletion which appear in articles where I have made significant contributions.
This time he want to delete a photo from before 1923 which has been used in multiple articles of Wikipedia for 9 years without generating a copyright complaint (link is above). His rational is that there is "no evidence that it was published before 1923."James Carroll (talk) 17:46, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
He is correct though: when the photo was created is different from when the photo was published, and US copyright law is based on the latter, and as there's no clear publication before the 1999 book, this needs to be questioned as a free image. --MASEM (t) 18:13, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Question
First of all, I want to thank you for all support, assistance and encouragement you've given me, especially with your co-nomination. In my recent successful RfA, I promised to be opened to recall with specific terms similar to User:TParis/Recall. Before I make any edits that require the mop, I wanted to cement my own recall process, including a list of editors who can specifically call for the recall of my administrative rights. Due to my high level of respect for you and your opinion, I wanted to know if I could include you on said list. Thanks, -- TLSuda (talk) 20:54, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, thank you. I was truly shocked, when someone reverted edit I was making considering WP:AGF, well I just put GameRankings link and score in the article using template {{Video game reviews}}, where GameRankings is one of the options. What have I done wrong to keep reverted ? Greetings, Sir Lothar (talk) 00:54, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You're running up against one of the more vocal members of VG. As best I know, you really haven't done anything wrong (as long as you haven't edit warred, which doesn't seem to be the case, you started discussion before it got there. --MASEM (t) 01:14, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I just added [3]. I don't see anything controversial in it. I have good knowledge of rules (WP:VER, WP:NPOV) from pl.wiki, it didn't break neither of those, so reverting by Hahnchen was wrong in my opinion. Besides, he should behave more politely and shouldn't shout. Sir Lothar (talk) 02:50, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Reeva Steenkamp
Hi Masem. First of all we've interacted an a few occasions and I thank you for your courteous explanations.
Regarding the Reeva Steenkamp image I uploaded, I noted your remark
If the photo is now owned or managed by Gettys, a photo agency, any use on our end impacts their commercial opportunities for the photo, and that fails our NFCC#2 requirement. Any other non-press agency photo of her would be fine, but the press agency aspect is the problem here with this one.
A photo from a press or photo agency (e.g., AP, Corbis or Getty Images), unless the photo itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article.
In the first place that's not very clear, is it, in the sense that WP:NFCI 8b doesn't make any such proviso and there's no particular reason to suppose there might be. Why single out press agencies?
"Remember that WP's image use restrictions are stronger than US Fair Use law. Yes, I think anyone could easily argue that a press agency photo used at WP is fair use, but that doesn't necessarily make it comply with WP's policy. That said, I do see the slippery slope of disallowing press agency photos and no restrictions on others. Say a third party web site uses the press agency photo on their page without attribution but in the spirit of fair use (a very common thing for non-commercial websites to do); a WP editor uploads that photo attributing it to the site with all appropriate and correct FUR. Effectively we now have a press release photo on WP that should fail this guideline but that we can't tell that. I suspect there's numerous images with that distinction on here already. More to the case in point, I think this points to the need to make sure the source portion of the FUR is completed, with images taken off the web using the exact URL they were obtained from."
That is exactly the position I found myself. The history of this image is exactly as I described and it was first credited as a "File photo" by the South African Times.
I intend to retire from editing Wikipedia after I have finished editing at Trial of Oscar Pistorius (I continue with that only because I undertook it as as a favour to a friend). I do mean however to research this particular issue of press agency photographs a little further, because I'm not convinced there is consensus in the community about the issue. Can you point me to a debate where that consensus was definitivelt achieved? I would be grateful. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 18:24, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The core issue relating to press photos is from NFCC#2 (policy), that we have to respect commercial opportunities, and since a press agency like Getty has a core business of selling images, our reuse of any images impacts their commercial opportunity. This is what NFC#UUI #7 spells out more specifically. And in regards to my comment, if we had no idea it was from a press agency and best we can tell came from a non-press agency source, we can't bring the NFCC#2 into question, but as soon as the press agency ownership was discovered, then we have to deal with it. In this case, we know it is from a press agency a priori so that's not an issue. --MASEM (t) 18:35, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What I'm really querying is the consensus on the core issue of the special status of press agencies. It's not clear to me why they should have it or that there's consensus that they should have it. I really would be grateful if you could tell me when that consensus was reached. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 20:02, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find any specific point, but it dates back to pre-2006, when we had a "Fair Use Policy" and today's NFCC#2 was that version's #2. All take page articles from WT:NFC that I see that talk about press photos point out that press photos are themselves a product, so by using them without a very strong case (the one being that the photo itself is the subject of discussion), we are harming their commercial rights. --MASEM (t) 20:15, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Thirty Flights of Loving to FA status recently. If you would like to see this (or any other FA) appear as "Today's featured article" soon, please nominate it at the requests page; if you'd like to see an FA on a particular date in the next year or so, please add it to the "pending" list. In the absence of a request, the article may end up being picked at any time (although with 1,326 articles in Category:Featured articles that have not appeared on the main page at present, there's no telling how long – or short! – the wait might be). If you'd got any TFA-related questions or problems, please let me know. BencherliteTalk10:33, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There is a comment at WP:AI that says that, "Any non-free images in the article must be removed", but it doesn't explain how to preserve the images. What is current practice regarding ways to preserve articles in user space or AFC? I didn't see anything on the AFC mainpage, and I don't know where this is discussed for user pages. Unscintillating (talk) 22:00, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We really are not set up to preserve images if they have been moved from mainspace to userspace. There might be case-by-case basis that images can be preserved (eg the image is deemed likely to meet NFC but the original source no longer exists), but in general our policies are set up to ultimately delete orphaned images that result from these areas. --MASEM (t) 22:17, 15 March 2014 (UTC) --MASEM (t) 22:17, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There are some issues with proposed parameters for {{Infobox television episode}}. I've left a message at WT:TV about this but unfortunately the templates used in the TV project draw little interest, even though they often cause us grief. Because of this I'm approaching experienced editors directly, with a view to getting some more input. The discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#Infobox television episode provides an introduction to the issues. Your attention would be greatly appreciated. --AussieLegend (✉) 02:30, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We just had an edit conflict at NFCR. While I agree that the logo is not original enough for copyright, it's the SVG code that needs additional attention. So, would you mind reopening the discussion? De728631 (talk) 13:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I'm the guy who keeps trying to interject Game Grumps into the Another World (video game) article. You seem reasonable, unlike several other editors I've encountered that don't take no, or yes, for that matter, for an answer. In order to keep this from turning into an edit war, I think we should talk it out on here. So, YouTube, TV Tropes, and Rodeo Arcade all seem to be out of the question as citations. I've taken a look at WP:RS, WP:VAR and WP:VL. According to WP:VL, there are certain channels considered reliable, such as Associated Press, and the only notable channel to have any reference to Mycaruba/Game Grumps is Game Grumps itself.
Obviously I won't get too far if my only reliable source is a video game commentary show run by just a few people, so I'd like to ask for your help on what I can do. --Matthew (talk) 22:39, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, we'll have to wait for a reliable source independent of GG to mention this, and that might not happen. Wikipedia generally tries to avoid this type of trivia and hence why we want to look for reliable sources to show an interest in this so that we can be sure inclusion is fine. --MASEM (t) 22:52, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi. [[User talk:|Niemti]] and I are once again involved in a conflict on the Jessica Nigri article. I tried talking to him on his talk page, but he again violates WP:CIV, WP:EDITWAR/WP:3RR and now WP:OPENPARAGRAPH, and refuses to respond to my requests for clarification in a straightforward, civil manner. I have started a discussion at ANI. Since you're familiar with past problems involving him, can you offer your assistance? Thank you very much. Nightscream (talk) 01:49, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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As you seem to spend more time focusing on NFC behavior than I do, if you have the time please take a look at this thread and the user's general history. Uploading images to WP from the for-profit Getty that are identified at the source as "royalty free" but still subject to a licensing fee, claiming on a talk page that they are instead merely "commercial free", not understanding that even "commercial free" is not "free" for our purposes, and despite all of that tagging the file as "public domain"... All of this seems so egregious a failure of basic reading comprehension as to be in bad faith. Their deleted contributions history (and recently blanked talk page) indicate a longstanding issue with uploads, so we may have a good candidate for banning from file uploads if not Wikipedia entirely. Thoughts? postdlf (talk) 19:41, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I commented and noted that we have actually discussed the situation on those new licensing terms at WT:NFC (which still comes out - nope, can't use). --MASEM (t) 20:00, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Given that he had combined them into a montage image that couldn't possibly meet the new Getty conditions you were talking about in that WT:NFC thread for "free" social media use, I don't think he could even claim reliance on that (even notwithstanding that the new terms still fall under NFC here). postdlf (talk) 20:18, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that definitely can't be used. The first condition Getty requires is the embedding nature, which we can't provide at all. --MASEM (t) 20:24, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think a list would work, or it would need to be like the crowdfunded video game list, in that we require a reasonable source that notes the game is on the service. Categories would definitely work: you would have two considerations, one for "List of games released on Steam Early Access", and likely a broader topic, "List of games in early access" (or whatever name). The latter would only be on an article while it was in early access; the former term would never go away. --MASEM (t) 20:00, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The press release says 20 to 30 different markets, which, depending on the size of the market, and whether or not they're referring to markets as theater chains or regions, that's significantly more than 20 to 30 screens. I just changed it back to "markets" in the article. - Marshan3q (talk) 23 April 2014 — Preceding undated comment added 14:33, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Thank you for your support at WP:VPPR#Allow images previously disallowed because of URAA copyright restoration. Until SCOTUS upheld Golan v. Holder I think we considered there was doubt whether this class of images were under US copyright at all. Now it looks as if WMF are suggesting individual images might be under copyright but that this is very hard to establish. Anyway, WMF are willing to host these files and say WMF is legally protected so long as they are willing to do DMCA takedown. I think to call these files "non-free" would be a mistake because people will get confused with "fair use" but to say they are PD may be going too far. Perhaps we have a situation "Might be URAA copyright but, because we are not certain, we allow this file unless we are sure that it is in copyright". How you think these files should be regarded and described? Ideally commons:Template:Not-PD-US-URAA and en:Template:Not-PD-US-URAA would be identical. Thincat (talk) 08:21, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
@Thincat: We should normalize our template to Commons' version to help interoperability of such images. --MASEM (t) 14:05, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So, to continue our discussion after we were so rudely interrupted, I am led to propose #17 WP:NFC#UUI:
Propose #17.Use of a USPS stamp after 1978 [is not fair use]. However it may be appropriate if the stamp itself is described alongside (#9) in a passage (#8), including sourced commentary (#7). The stamp must have been issued to the public (#5) or become controversial (#4), but it cannot also be used at the same time in its own article, which would take precedence for displaying the image (#6), unless the artwork is in the public domain.
That is based on the following understanding derived from items 4-9.
4. Use of a USPS stamp after 1978 can be fair use if the stamp itself is controversial. — A map, is not fair use, unless "the map itself is a proper subject for commentary in the article: for example, a controversial map of a disputed territory, if the controversy is discussed in the article." — okay when the stamp itself is controversial.
5. Use of a USPS stamp after 1978 can be fair use if the stamp itself is proper subject for commentary. — An image whose subject happens to be a war, to illustrate an article on the war is not fair use, unless "the image itself is a proper subject for commentary in the article: for example, an iconic image that has received attention in its own right, if the image is discussed in the article.” — okay when the stamp image is the subject of commentary, when the stamp has received attention.
6. Use of a USPS stamp after 1978 image can be fair use if it does not have its own article. — An image to illustrate an article passage about the image, is not fair use, "if the image has its own article (in which case the image may be described and a link provided to the article about the image)” — okay when the stamp does not have its own article.
7. Use of a USPS stamp after 1978 can be fair use if the stamp itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article. A photo from a press or photo agency is not fair use, "unless the photo itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article.” Okay when the stamp itself has sourced commentary in the article.
8. Use of a USPS stamp after 1978 can be fair use if the stamp has a passage describing the stamp itself. A baseball card is not fair use to illustrate the article on Barry Bonds unless "to illustrate a passage on the card itself; see the Billy Ripken article." Okay when the stamp itself is described in a passage.
9. Use of a a USPS stamp after 1978 can be fair use if the stamp itself is discussed alongside the image. A magazine or book cover is not fair use unless "the cover itself is the subject of sourced discussion in the article, it may be appropriate if placed inline next to the commentary.” — okay when the stamp is described alongside the image.
I do not believe we need explicit advice on stamps as the issues we've discussed are pointed covered by other NFCC/NFC. I would however suggest possibly expanding out the advice at WP:STAMPS WikiProject Philately, as well as expanding the claims to any copyrighted stamp that includes post-78 US stamps as well as various stamps from other countries. As well as considering what we found with the Civil War series, that stamps that are just republication of old art w/o other creative changes will be considered free for our purposes. --MASEM (t) 14:39, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
| first = Bo | last = Moore | date = April 7, 2014 | accessdate = April 8, 2014 | work = [[Wired (magazine|Wired]] }}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url = http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2014/04/
"All things timey-wimey" is a direct quote from the trading card and other Hasbro material; see [4]. (Technically, the wiki is not a reliable source, but primary sources - e.g. the card itself - may be used as a source for obvious facts.) - Mike Rosoft (talk) 13:06, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I know that's the quote from the card, but it is the reference to Doctor Who, which is only "timey wimey" that is being referred to here. --MASEM (t) 14:07, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, you proberly know nothing about radio stations but you may have heart that on the 6 May all Real Radio stations will be rebanded to Heart. I cant remember the users name, but he or she created article Heart Scotland. But why on earth this person do someting like that? Anyway user:Hughpugh discused that Heart Scotland should merged to[[Real Radio Scotland. If this will happen, then would it still be possible to move article name back on 6 May? For example like this: (Specialdude57 moved page Real Radio Scotland to Heart Scotland (station rebrand)). Unfortunetly I cant do that my self yet, because I only edited 5 times so far. Yes I'm new.Specialdude57 (talk) 19:59, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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For stamps which are USPS fair use, instead of the images themselves, I have taken your suggestion and added external links to specific pages inside Arago online at the National Postal Museum.
The Virginia colonial capitol building at Williamsburg is pictured in the 1988 USPS stamp commemorating the bicentennial of the ratification of the Constitution, which is available for viewing at Virginia ratification stamp from "Arago: people, postage & the post", online at the Smithsonian Institute's National Postal Museum.
Another editor said --although he did not press the issue-- that the convention may be in violation of a rule against multiple external links in an article, or multiple links to the same webpage in the External Links section. However, a) the external links are all clustered at the bottom of each section where they occur, b) there is generally text around them which explain the link even when the article is printed. c) they are a small percent of the article content, d) each link is to a specific address, bringing the unique image of the individual stamp, not the front page of Arago, so they are not strictly links to the "same" page.
Save for the External Link section we typically don't use inline external links on article pages (but this does depend on situation). But the easiest solution here is to convert the link into an inline citation which retains the line within the citation and there's no restriction against inline cites. --MASEM (t) 14:01, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That certainly seems to be a reasonable response if challenged. It will take a little doing to craft a good way of pointing the reader to the notes to get the visual. An editorial note at the end of each section might do it, with description ending in a note, and the note including citation and link to the image page at National Postal Museum. I'll try to work something up starting at History of Virginia on stamps, as that seems to be attracting the most viewers, and the article I am now actively working on. Thanks. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 14:21, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Another alternative to avoid the EL in the body is to have a list/formatted section in the "External Links" section, that would start off "Stamp pages at the NPM:" and then list each link with the stamp in question within that section, so it is clear its not just a reference and easier to follow. That's (in my opinion) completely reasonable for that type of section. --MASEM (t) 14:28, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Masem. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Battlefield 5, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: isn't completely made up - plenty of ghits. Thank you. SmartSE (talk) 17:03, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There a crazy Equestria Girls hating guy who think the My Little Pony IDW comics are supposed to aim for an older audience. His name is anonycat. He said it on Andy Price Deviant page. Why would he think that? The IDW My Little Pony comic are not aimed at older readers. It is for children of all ages just like the cartoon. Can you do something about it? What should I do?184.20.209.241 (talk) 22:00, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
RfC: Is stamp non-free content use explained by WP:NFCI Guideline #3?
He has also added some canned condemnation from the first discussions unrelated to my second effort at History of Virginia on stamps, which includes both Arago and Wallenstein commentary on the Constitutional Ratification Convention -- beyond mere description of the colonial Capitol building pictured, an analytical critique of the meaning behind the commemorative stamp itself. Your input is appreciated, even if it does not favor my position.
You are asking for a change in policy/guideline so that should be on the appropriate talk page.
Critical commentary should be about the image of the stamp, not the object depicted on the stamp or the routine details of the stamps commissioning. It should be commentary that requires the stamp to be seen to be understood, or whereunderstanding is impossible without the image. --MASEM (t) 16:37, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You were mentioned on Jimbo Wales talk page
In case you were unaware I felt inclined to let you know an editor brought you up in a complaint on Jimbo Wales talk page in regards to a non free image dispute about Kim Jong-un.--Maleko Mela (talk) 00:46, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Masem, as I have mentioned before I have held you in the highest respect. However, you have continued to personally attack me for holding an opinion that disagrees with yours. I have begged you to stop on several occasions. Most recently, I begged you to file a complaint against me at an appropriate notice board, and failing that to stop making your personal attacks against me. I have advised you of the policy on this. Despite all of this, you have once again accused me of disruption. I do not want to escalate this, but you are leaving me no choice. I would rather we settle this amicably. I respect that you disagree with my opinion. Please grant me the same courtesy, and stop making accusations of me disrupting anything. That's all you have to do; stop making the accusations. Please. If I have in fact disrupted anything, you know where to report it. Continually making the accusations without reporting it is a nebulous in between state that serves no purpose other than to belittle me. Either stop making the personal attacks or make a report. Continuing as you have is just continuing to personally attack me. It cannot continue. I invite your well reasoned opinions in our debates. I do not invite the continuance of these personal insults. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:42, 3 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not trying to attack you, and I do apologize for that; but you need to be aware that your "new" passive-aggressive stance (the "I've tried it but too many ppl ignore/attack NFC, so what does it matter?") is extremely harmful to any serious discussions on resolving NFC issues. It is (has been) your choice to decide to forego any NFC enforcement, but you can't say "well, no one else wants to enforce it, it's futile, let's just ditch it", and expect that people can understand your reasons behind that in a non-passive/aggressive/sarcastic manner. If you feel serious that we should ditch NFC, then nominate it for deletion or propose fixed changes to match what you think is practice now. But otherwise, as Jheald points out in this reply to you [5], NFC still works. It may not work as you wanted it to, but that's the balance here. --MASEM (t) 14:01, 3 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Dialogue and debate in and of itself is not harmful. The weight of my opinions vs. the weight of yours; it is how we progress. Regardless, my point in addressing you here is to get the personal attacks to stop. The issue of NFCC is entirely separate and has nothing to do with the personal attacks you have been leveling at me. I remind you, again, of WP:WIAPA bullet point #5; "Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence. Evidence often takes the form of diffs and links presented on wiki." You can debate with me without making accusations about me and/or my behavior. There are plenty of people who disagree with your opinion, and there is nothing wrong with that; where things err is when they attack you. I brought this up to one of your opponents and asked him to stop. Similarly, it's fine for you to debate me. Attack my points all you like; no problem. It's not fine for you to attack me. I hope this is the end of the personal attacks. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:37, 3 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I promise I will stay far away from that in discussions from now on (or whack me on the head if I don't), I would just ask you consider that there are people still fighting the good fight for NFC even if we are few and far between now. You don't have to be doing NFC work or agree with it, but it's not fair to say we've all given up hope. --MASEM (t) 16:53, 3 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I need a second opinion on File:Winme gold 18.png. It appears to me that the image itself is potentially free. The CD sleeve itself, IMHO, does not pass the threshold of originality as it is text and logos that all can be found on Commons. If there is indeed a copyright associated with it, it is the photography value. What do you think?
Assuming the Windows logo and the ME wordmark are free, the only copyrightable aspect is that photographic gleam that the reflective nature of the disc has and would be copyrighted. --MASEM (t) 03:25, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I could ask for the permission from the original author, if I knew his username... only the revision history says the first uploader is 718 Bot. This can't be correct, right?
718 Bot is a image reduction bot, and it uploaded a reduced and PNG of the original gif image that was used. On the gif image, the language "my own camera" (which persists in the rationale language despite the intermediate uploads). is User:Wikinger, but that image they uploaded does not appear to be the same (in any way) as the present image. --MASEM (t) 19:29, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, the irony! Instead of uploading it to Commons, I must nominate it for speedy deletion for lack of source and lack of contextual significance because for all I know, this could have come from anywhere on the web.
I would agree deletion is right, though it should be possible to get a free image of the same type by a WPian following through through on the right steps to photograph and license the image with clear ownership to avoid this in the future. --MASEM (t) 21:43, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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There a guy that think that the IDW My Little Pony are not for kids but for teens and adults. He made this edit on TV Tropes on the YMMV My Little Pony: Friend is Magic IDW Page. His name is DrakeClawfang. Here what he wrote.Pandering to the Base: The comics are obviously aimed at the older brony fandom than the kid audience the show is intended for. The stories are darker and more mature, as well as featuring elements the fandom loves over the Slice of Life plots of the show, references to death are not uncommon, and there are many nods to the fans in the background scenery. Masem can you remove this? Just because it a bit darker does not mean it not for kids. When did they ever made reference death? The Comics are aimed at children of all ages just like the show not teens and adults.184.20.209.241 (talk) 05:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I generally remove references from bluelinks if that reference is found in the target article. I kind of use it as an unofficial {{refideas}} page, but yes, references are fine. - hahnchen00:10, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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In regards to "rm isle vista killings boldly - its not the type of story that ongoing was made for", I just wanted to say that it is precisely the situation that ongoing was proposed for. That is, times when we have a high turnover and as such a story quickly drops off ITN while it is still at the top of the news. I'm fine with its removal, but wanted you to be clear there is no requirement for a story to literally be ongoing to appear on "ongoing" for future reference. Rather, the only requirements are the story still be in the news with new developments and the article still be updated regularly. That was the case here, although obviously it wasn't go to stay on ongoing for very long as developments will be limited; had it stayed on ITN the normal 4-5 days, I wouldn't have considered putting it on "ongoing". --ThaddeusB (talk) 13:53, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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I've recently taken to expanding Wikipedia's coverage of Puzzle & Dragons. If you have the time, do you think you could take a stab at copy editing the gameplay section? What's up there now is like a 3rd draft after I attempted to restructure everything based on how the Japanese article is laid out. Also, I want to try to come up with a way to convert this list I compiled into a proper list article. Any suggestions would be great.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 06:57, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I started on taking a stab at it but because I've also started to play Dragon Coins, I know I'm starting to mess up details between the two games. But, reading through it, the current text gets far into the weeds. First, assume that while a popular game, this isn't Pokemon and that details like monster names or the like aren't going to be of interest. I'd also prelude the section with described that there's two levels of game here (the monster collection, and the puzzle side), and then start with the monster side, as that will make it easier to explain the team concept, leaders, friends, and skills as they apply in the puzzle side. If you can trim down, I can likely take a more reasonable stab at it. --MASEM (t) 20:59, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The two sides of the game are intertwined in a way that made it somewhat difficult to split up the discussion in the first place. As I stated, I attempted to follow the layout of the Japanese article, although converting a lot to prose instead of their lists of bits of information. I'll do another rewrite within an hour or so and null edit here when I'm done.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 16:55, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've been replaying it a bit so that I can try to tackle trimming it down to core details, but give me a few days. I'm pretty confident it can be shorter. --MASEM (t) 20:25, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like you hit some minor inaccuracies when you did the trim. Also, I still think a list of monsters can be done in some form.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:11, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Please go ahead and fix those, I was just trying to trim down to what we'd generally consider the most important for a WP game article. I know there are a lot more mechanics involved in the monster evolution side, but the fact that they can be evolved by consuming money and goal, for example, is the more critical detail here. --MASEM (t) 22:24, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Grim Fandango
Hi there, I see you added the following line to the Wikipedia page: "In addition to his own developers, Schafer reached out to players who had created unofficial patches and graphical improvements on the original game, and gained their help to improve the game's assets for the remake." As someone involved in the projects you've mentioned, I wanted to know what your source is for it. Nobody I've spoken to has been contacted by Tim Schafer. Thanks. Johnny "ThunderPeel2001" Walker (talk) 17:01, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The video in one of the links (I think the PS blog), produced by 2Player proudctions at DF HQ's says this. --MASEM (t) 17:13, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's at the 11:50 mark at the video here [6] but I did clarify that that is their intention, they might not have done it yet. --MASEM (t) 17:20, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Masem,
I appreciate your message on m talk page. However BFI has been used for country orders a long time in Wikepedia history.
Films that you might know include:
X men: First Class
X men: Days of Future Past
Batman Begins (Buy others not just me)
and MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more!!!
Country orders are not always organized by who contributed the most. However UK is the primary contributor in THE DARK KNIGHT and INCEPTION.
I'll prove it-
The Dark Knight:
Syncopy inc. - UK
Christopher Nolan - UK
Emma Thomas - UK
Jonathan Nolan - UK
Christian Bale UK
Michael Caine - UK
Gary Oldman - UK
Filmed in UK includes London.
Also BRITISH-AMERICAN has long been the label of UK/USA or USA/UK (If your fussy). Inception, The Dark Knight, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises have all been BRITISH-AMERICAN since their creations. Nobody (especially me) is suggesting UK has done nearly all the work compared to the USA. Instead they are about equal.
Lumiere is a PROJECT as seen on the websites page. It is not as trusted and widely used as BFI.
I would say yes unless there was a better venue (likely at commons) if that crosses the line or not - the fact the two Zs are different suggests there is some originality into it. --MASEM (t) 06:15, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Hie. You reverted my edits on the Shawshank redemption with the reason "reception is mentioned above"; but is isn't! In fact, the parts related to reception, are also mentioned in the legacy part. (talk) 18:16, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
P. S. excuse me for my bad using of words; I'm a very amateur English speaker.
"Reception" we generally consider as what people say as the movie is out and released, and that stuff is presently covered in the "Critical response" section (which could be called Reception). In "Legacy" we consider what the film is perceived as after some time, in this case the AFI lists and the like. There's a distinction there that we typically make. --MASEM (t) 18:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I used to think that legacy is for the film's effects on next ages and reception means film's achievements in lists and critics. anyway, it isn't a very big matter. (talk) 15:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I believe this image may be free. The geometry of the graph is not protected by the copyright but its data is.
Since you can see past deleted versions before being brutally downsized to nothing, could you please analyze and see if its data comes from the author himself?
(talk page stalker) There is a logo in the top right corner that is copyright, even if nothing else is. The image also contains potentially identifying information about the uploader; I'm not sure the uploader is aware of this. You can only see it in the larger images. This is a crop from a screenshot showing the uploader's winnings over time for tournaments. If you want, I can send you a copy of the original files. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 03:04, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There's not enough information in the graph (from a previous version of that same graph) to tell whose data it is (the player name is ID'd as EIT007), and given that the uploader uses the rational "from my computer" they are freely admitting this might be their information. I would argue that as long as that is non-free, the image is unnecessary since it is just a plot of winnings won against tourney, something easily described in text and not described in the article as to its importance. --MASEM (t) 03:09, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the open tabs on the original upload, it might give you a bit more information about the uploader & source of data. TLSuda (talk) 23:18, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For purposes of discussion, here is the original image; [7]. It is clearly a shot from Tony's computer (based on task bar). The user names are a random selection of players on some poker network, so the current shot which limits it to one user is less a problem. --MASEM (t) 23:22, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the large version. Cropping out Windows Vista and everything outside the chart area, IMHO, the logo watermark is {{PD-logo}}. (There is something in the O which I can't quite make out; I'd that'd make it de minimis.) The chart and EIT007 are too random to possess authorship.
The logo is not PD-textlogo, due to what is in the "O" of Poker, and it would not be de minimus here as that would show this being their software (I am assuming the software embeds that on the graph for such purposes.) "EIT007" I'd hope is Tony's user name. Again, this being likely non-free , I beg the question of the relevancy of the image - it is a graph of winnings verses tourney number, which is well explained via text as a feature of the software (if it has relevancy to the general anaylsis of poker players, then a more generic version can be used elsewhere). --MASEM (t) 04:02, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The Shawshank Redemption- Critical Response. Your ownership behaviour and repeated reverting.
The second edit (which you undid for a 2nd consecutive time rather than discuss) keeps the reference to the praise you insist must be there, but correctly does not call it critical acclaim since it is not from a film critic. If you had read before undoing you would have seen this. It is a statement from a non-expert and non-critic.
The term is "existentialism" not extensionalism.
Your second revert has been undone, as explained above.
Wikipedia editors resolve their disputes through a procedure known as Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, better known as BRD. I advise you to take the issue over to the talk page immediately, introduce it in a neutral tone and focus on the contribution only, instead of the contributor. I promise you: you will be surprised how pleasantly the problem will be resolved as a result of doing so. I assure you, Masem is one of our most friendly editors. Most of the times he assents to a pleasant compromise.
May I try an interpretation on NFC by USPS first suggested by Wehwalt, and an additional query? According to Wehwalt's reasoning, The general claim to stamp copyright would not apply if it were not specifically asserted for each stamp within five years of publication.
The USPS does not typically assert its copyright at a stamp publication — such as at the official First Day of Issue sight for Petersburg and Mobile Bay issues July 30, 2014 Civil War Sesquicentennial 2014 stamps. If each stamp is not registered within five years, such as it has failed to do at USPS Virginia Rotunda, a June 4, 1979 issue, is the [University of] Virginia Rotunda stamp not free use for WP at History of Virginia on stamps as of June 4, 1984?
Is that something I can assume for stamps from online sources in your view?
Relative to my interest in Commemoration of the American Civil War on postage stamps, which I see Google places first hit on a search of 'American Civil War on stamps', --- I notice stamps after 1978 pictured at American Association for the History of Nursing for Civil War personalities in 1986 and 1995 for Harriet Tubman, Phoebe Pember and Sojourner Truth. Gwhillickers and others have presumed that the USPS blanket permission for educational use would apply to Wikipedia.
This won't work for stamps after 1989, as one does not need to file a copyright from that point out to assert copyright. For stamps prior, you would have to verify that the stamp is not registered in the copyright database within those 5 years; if you can show that there is no registration, then the stamp is certainly going to be in the public domain, but you'll have to make sure to try variations to see what can be found. --MASEM (t) 14:42, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wehwalt's point was that there was a burden on USPS to assert a copyright symbol in association with publication of a given stamp. If nothing were done in five years, it would be public domain --- so variations might include finding hard copies of the First Day of Issue notices. But online the out-of-date First Day of Issue notice is abbreviated to a statement that it is not currently on sale, so that is no help. Thanks anyway. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 18:58, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi. I disagree with your revert [8] of my edit on the Steam page. In my view, GOG.com is not a service like Steam or Desura (where one has to download a game through a client to play), so it should not be included in the "See also" section. ArcAngel (talk) ) 21:29, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You have to download the GOG-version of a game bought on GOG to play, but once installed you don't need GOG. But this is also true for Desure-based games - once installed you don't need to launch the game via Desura. The key is that Steam, Desura, GOG, UPlay, and Origin all have the same concepts of digital download game storefronts. --MASEM (t) 21:33, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hey—for my next trick, I was considering working on the Indie Game: The Movie article and bringing the topic to at least "good" status. Since you worked on Braid, I wanted to ask whether you'd be interested in bringing Jonathan Blow's article to GA for such a project. Eh? czar ♔13:22, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I can try to see what I can do. I think you may also need to do the members of Team Meat (SMB is an FA, but the two devs are start-class) for the full topic. But I agree that that's a reasonably good topic. Someone might beg if independent game development should be on that, but I'd sweep that under the rug until someone says it should be there. --MASEM (t) 13:26, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nice. PresN did the Super Meat Boy FA, so I contacted him about doing those. Since it's been a while since the FAC, I'm happy to jump in to do half of Team Meat once I finish the film article, if that would help czar ♔16:44, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I previously used to be WARNER one and have since reincarnated myself to be more friendly, useful, cooperative, less nationalistic and all together a better editor. I have identified you as one of the editors that I have wronged in the past which is why I urge you not to consider my previous actions in the future as I am completely different. I would like to be friends so we can hopefully collaborate in the future. If you understandably still don't want to colabarte and/or see my new side then that is 100% fine. Just please leave me a note here so I know for the future. THANKYOU! --Warner REBORN (talk) 17:24, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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It looks like a reduced-color image (the way the "o"s are filled in on the title bar) - but I'm sure sure how else it might be a problem - can you make sure what you think is wrong? --MASEM (t) 15:51, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Please zoom to 100% and look at the title bar: A circular brush is used to change the color of the title bar which was originally orange to bright green. But it is done very carelessly. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 17:33, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, okay, that I did see, and now I see how this is affecting the text in the title bar. This screenshot should be removed and replaced with one that lacks such modifications. --MASEM (t) 17:41, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not just that. In Windows, the background window's title bar cannot be the same color as the foreground window. Plus parts of the users interface is also smeared.
Masem, can I just say that, while I don't really agree with your reading of my comments, that full protection did turn out to be unnecessary? Maybe the worst is over, maybe admins and experienced editors did a good job on the talk page, maybe lots of people were better behaved than I thought they would be. So, in that way you were certainly correct. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:10, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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History of video game consoles (seventh generation)
The latest worldwide total sales for the xbox 360 was announced on June 9th, 2014, at E3 as shown by the very first citation [161]. Don't change it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.196.239.84 (talk) 17:01, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]