Template talk:Infobox power station

Parameter scan

I just had a bot run through all the transclusions, and check the parameter usage

Parameter usage
Count	Field	In template?
1	wave_turbines_mw	Y
1	psps_upper_res_ac_capacity	N
1	open	N
1	permanently shutdown	N
1	solar_site_area	Y
1	manager	N
1	cost ext.	N
1	wind_rotor_diameter	Y
1	thermal_efficiency	N
1	tide_crosses	Y
1	psps_upper_res_elevation	N
1	tide_technology	Y
1	location_map_caption	Y
1	tide_channel_speed	Y
1	boiler_manu	N
1	parent	N
1	commission ext.	N
1	cpv_units	Y
1	other_name	N
1	tidal_technology	N
1	tertiary_fuel_capacity	N
1	ps_cogeneration	Y
1	State	N
1	turbine_manu_tide	Y
1	psps_penstocks	Y
1	upper_res_spillways	N
1	tide_channel_width	Y
1	loction	N
1	ps_units_decommissioned	Y
1	psps_upper_res	Y
1	tide_barrage_length	Y
1	Nuclear Power	N
1	ps_thermal_capacity	Y
1	containment_type	N
1	geo_type	Y
1	psps_lower_res	Y
1	tsg_turbines_mw	Y
1	images	N
1	lower_res_depth	N
1	transmission lines	N
1	solar_type	Y
1	wind_hub_height	Y
1	location_map_size	Y
2	wind_offshore_distance	Y
2	psps_generators	Y
2	psps_upper_res_capacity	Y
2	psps_pumpgenerators	Y
2	thermal_power_solar	Y
2	nuke_reactor_type	Y
2	psps_lower_res_capacity	Y
2	ps_fuel_tertiary	Y
2	cpv_concentration	Y
2	ps_units_uc	Y
2	nuke_water_source	Y
2	wind_offshore_depth	Y
2	wind_site_area	Y
3	wave_converter_manu	Y
3	offshore_distance_wave	Y
3	pumping_units	Y
3	upper_res_discharge	N
3	turbine_manu_psp	Y
3	converter_type	N
3	coordinates_format	Y
3	lower_res_spillways	N
3	name_official	Y
3	lower_res_discharge	N
4	local_name	N
4	ps_fuel_secondary	Y
4	elevation_m	N
4	turbine_manu_geo	Y
4	annual_pump_consum	N
4	boiler_type	N
5	ps_combined_cycle	Y
5	wave_technology	Y
5	ps_units_planned	Y
5	cogeneration_geo	Y
5	location_type	N
5	turbine_manu_csp	Y
6	reactor_types	N
6	thermal_power_geo	Y
6	reciprocating_engines	N
7	ghg_emission	N
7	heliostats	Y
7	ps_fuel_primary	Y
7	temp_requirement	Y
7	lower_res_ac_capacity	Y
7	secondary_fuel_capacity	N
8	max_well_depth	Y
8	penstocks	Y
8	coordinates	Y
8	upper_res_depth	N
8	ps_units_manu_model	Y
8	lower_res_elevation	N
9	lower_res_area	N
9	geothermal_wells	Y
10	geo_turbine_mw	Y
10	geothermal_type	Y
10	upper_res_ac_capacity	N
11	csp_units	Y
11	lower_res_catchment	N
12	mine_type	N
12	employees	N
12	upper_res_elevation	N
12	onshore_land_use	Y
13	ps_units_operational	Y
15	reactors_cancel_mw	N
15	ps_electrical_cap_fac	Y
16	upper_res_area	N
16	upper_res_catchment	N
17	pumped_storage	N
17	rated_wind_speed	Y
18	coordinates_ref	Y
18	image_alt	Y
18	ps_annual_generation	Y
19	ps_gen_units	Y
20	turbine_manu_npp	Y
20	offshore_area	Y
20	embed	Y
20	offshore_depth	Y
21	onshore_area	Y
22	onshore_elevation	Y
24	tertiary_fuel	Y
26	location_map_width	Y
28	elevation	N
29	csp_technology	Y
31	pump_gen_units	Y
31	lower_res_capacity	Y
33	ps_electrical_capacity	Y
34	constructors	N
35	hydraulic_head	Y
37	thermal_power_all	Y
38	offshore_distance	Y
41	upper_res_capacity	Y
41	lower_reservoir	Y
42	reactors_const_mw	Y
43	cogeneration_all	Y
46	relief	Y
46	upper_reservoir	Y
47	net_generation_year	N
50	reactors_planned_mw	Y
51	primary_fuel_capacity	N
53	capacity_factor	Y
56	architect	N
59	reactors_decom_mw	Y
65	rotor_diameter	Y
67	nrc_region	N
68	hub_height	Y
72	image_size	Y
80	combined_cycle	Y
81	pv_units	Y
89	licence_expires	N
89	land_area	Y
96	conveyance	N
98	average_annual_year	N
100	cooling_water	N
101	turbine_model	Y
106	turbine_manu_other	Y
113	wind_farm_type	Y
117	secondary_fuel	Y
123	constructor	N
126	net_generation	N
152	reactor_supplier	Y
156	extra	Y
164	developer	N
166	turbine_manu	Y
172	solar_farm_type	Y
173	wind_turbines	Y
178	reactors_operate_mw	Y
184	technology	N
191	reactor_type	Y
197	decommissioned	Y
220	official_name	Y
238	location_map_text	Y
270	cost	Y
294	website	Y
387	location	Y
397	average_annual_gen	Y
406	as_of	N
470	construction_began	Y
541	operator	Y
587	image_caption	Y
634	max_planned_cap	Y
690	generation_units	Y
815	image	Y
1012	installed_capacity	Y
1075	primary_fuel	Y
1139	lat_s	Y
1141	long_s	Y
1184	owner	Y
1270	lat_m	Y
1271	long_m	Y
1346	lat_NS	Y
1347	long_EW	Y
1376	locale	Y
1455	location_map	Y
1494	commissioned	Y
1504	status	Y
1516	coordinates_display	Y
1518	coordinates_type	Y
1571	lat_d	Y
1574	long_d	Y
1581	country	Y
1880	name	Y

The first table is a list of parameter usage counts. The second table is for parameters not found in the template, with a truncated list of articles using the missing parameters. I will fix some of the obvious typos if I have some time, and will regenerate the lists if there has been any progress made on cleaning them up. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 05:15, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Updated. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 20:12, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Updated. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:42, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Changes to template

The template format was substantially changed, meaning that multiple infoboxes no longer work as they did.

Above it states that the changes would be done by bot edits" quote Removal/merging/renaming of fields will be done in a single run by the bot - but no bot ever fixed the affected pages.

In addition there was never any announcement of the change on any affected talk page.

eg Lincs Wind Farm is one of (probably all) wind farm articles affected.

This is an example of the type of changes that have to be made to restore the infobox to it's previous level of function. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lincs_Wind_Farm&diff=605542614&oldid=604901204

Every wind farm I have looked at is affected, and no attempt has been found to register or fix the changes.

etc etc. This should be fixed.83.100.174.82 (talk) 01:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I added some more backwards compatibility so that there is not a significant change in the information presented in this version vs. [1]. please let me know if you spot any other problems. I imagine the bot will run soon, but it seems Plastikspork has been busy with other things. Frietjes (talk) 16:15, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Wait a moment! Before Plastikspork starts his bot, I would firmly suggest to change the "nuke_" prefix to "np_". "nuke" is really a bad choice, "to nuke" is synonymous to "to bomb". Let us say that using "nuke" for technical data is politically incorrect. It is already bad as how antinuclearism works with its propaganda in some countries, that it does not seem the case to nourish it even within the internal data structures.--Robertiki (talk) 04:11, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

@Robertiki: I agree with you. But its use in articles is massive (I think). I wonder how feasible it is to change it. Changing it is no big deal (I can do it if you like), but I would like to know what others think. Also, Plastikspork and Frietjes, are there any more bot runs pending? I kind of had to disappear from the internet for some time unfortunately. Lost track of a lot of things. Rehman 11:40, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

@Rehman:, I don't think there have been any bot actions related to this issue. all the bot has done this far is scan the articles to generate the list of pages that need manual attention before the bot can make automatic changes. do we have a concrete plan on what needs to be changed, or a tracking category to find the ones that need to be changed? Frietjes (talk) 16:54, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I have added the nuke task along with the rest, and have put up a bot request to sort out the cleanup once and for all, since the large majority of what we started with is done... Hopefully we can close this case soon. Rehman 07:31, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

nuke_reactor_type= values

The documentation for this field says:

enter any one of the following auto-expanding fields:

PWR=PWR, BWR=BWR, PHWR=PHWR, RBMK=RBMK, GCR=GCR, AGR=AGR, FBR=FBR, PBR=PBR, MSR=MSR, AHR=AHR.

which I read to mean that I should use a value such as "PWR", and it would display as "PWR" in the infobox (the token value is "autoexpanded" to be linked). But the template currently appears to just display the field-value as entered. In the source, the child infobox created by data13 has:

|label2         = Reactor type
|data2          = {{{nuke_reactor_type|{{{reactor_type|}}}}}}

rather than some sort of #switch or similar token-handling logic. DMacks (talk) 15:27, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

@DMacks:. I have no clue what happened to it. I remember that it used to switch automatically. Will check and update here. Thanks for the notice. Regards, Rehman 11:34, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and added it so as to match the documentation. My guess is that this was planned, but eventually forgotten haha. Thanks for the notice. Have a good day. Rehman 11:51, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Capacity units

A value for installed_capacity= or ps_electrical_capacity= is displayed as entered whereas max_planned_cap= is displayed with "MW". ps_electrical_capacity= is documented as "Current gross installed capacity in megawatts" and the other two fields aren't documented at all. Should all "capacity" fields be MW and display (and be documented) as such? Would be easy to bot-locate any such fields that have values other than a simple number for manual conversion if that's the intent. DMacks (talk) 17:12, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Well the only problem with MW auto-inputted is when a power plant has a capacity of 600 kV or something of that nature. I am not sure about ps_electrical_capacity=, it seemed to override installed_capacity= and display as the same. Maybe it was intended to display the power draw when pumped-storage is in pump-mode. Rehman did much of this template, maybe he can help.--NortyNort (Holla) 20:53, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi DMacks and NortyNort, sorry I didn't notice the ping. max_planned_cap= is depreciated (and so is installed_capacity=), that's why it's no longer documented. Its function (auto MW suffix) are also based on how it was, and is only left that way to support older uses. It is advisable to update the articles with the latest code from the template page. Regards, Rehman 11:29, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Final parameter update

To complete the template cleanup/fixes which was started about a year ago, I am going to request the following, preferably in no more than one edit per affected article (to avoid unnecessary repetitive edits), so that these depreciated parameters can once-and-for-all be cleared from the template.

Step 1A: To replace

Parameters on the left should be replaced with those on the right. The list is big because all old parameters are listed, but the number of actual uses of some parameters should be small, very small, or even none.

To replace...

Lead section: caption → image_caption location_map_width → location_map_size location_map_text → location_map_caption official_name → name_official locale → location lat → lat_d latitude → lat_d long → long_d longitude → long_d Geothermal power stations: geothermal_type → geo_type temp_requirement → geo_temp_req geothermal_wells → geo_well_count max_well_depth → geo_well_depth Nuclear power stations: nuke_reactor_type → np_reactor_type reactor_type → np_reactor_type nuke_reactor_supplier → np_reactor_supplier reactor_supplier → np_reactor_supplier nuke_fuel_type → np_fuel_type nuke_fuel_supplier → np_fuel_supplier nuke_water_source → np_water_source cooling_water → np_water_source nuke_water_distance → np_water_distance nuke_cooling_towers → np_cooling_towers Pumped-storage hydroelectric power stations: upper_reservoir → psps_upper_res upper_res_capacity → psps_upper_res_capacity penstocks → psps_penstocks lower_reservoir → psps_lower_res lower_res_ac_capacity → psps_lower_res_capacity lower_res_capacity → psps_lower_res_capacity hydraulic_head → psps_hydraulic head ps_gen_units → psps_generators pump_gen_units → psps_pumpgenerators pumping_units → psps_pumps Solar farms: solar_farm_type → solar_type cpv_concentration → solar_cpv_concentration csp_technology → solar_csp_technology heliostats → solar_csp_heliostats solar_heliostats → solar_csp_heliostats cpvt → solar_cpvt land_area → solar_site_area Tidal power stations: tsg_type → tide_tsg_type dtp_perp_length → tide_dtp_length_perp dtp_para_length → tide_dtp_length_para tidal_range → tide_range Wave farms: offshore_area_wave → wave_site_area offshore_depth_wave → wave_generator_depth offshore_distance_wave → wave_shore_distance Wind farms: onshore_elevation → wind_site_elevation onshore_land_use → wind_site_usage onshore_area → wind_site_area offshore_area → offshore_area offshore_depth → wind_offshore_depth offshore_distance → wind_offshore_distance hub_height → wind_hub_height rotor_diameter → wind_rotor_diameter rated_wind_speed → wind_rated_speed End section: primary_fuel → ps_fuel_primary secondary_fuel → ps_fuel_secondary tertiary_fuel → ps_fuel_tertiary generation_units → ps_units_operational wind_turbines → ps_units_operational wave_turbines_mw → ps_units_operational dtp_turbines_mw → ps_units_operational tsg_turbines_mw → ps_units_operational csp_units → ps_units_operational cpv_units → ps_units_operational pv_units → ps_units_operational reactors_operate_mw → ps_units_operational geo_turbine_mw → ps_units_operational turbine_manu_other → ps_units_manu_model turbine_model → ps_units_manu_model turbine_manu → ps_units_manu_model wave_converter_manu → ps_units_manu_model turbine_manu_tide → ps_units_manu_model turbine_manu_csp → ps_units_manu_model turbine_manu_npp → ps_units_manu_model turbine_manu_psp → ps_units_manu_model turbine_manu_geo → ps_units_manu_model reactors_const_mw → ps_units_uc reactors_planned_mw → ps_units_planned reactors_decom_mw → ps_units_decommissioned installed_capacity → ps_electrical_capacity thermal_power_all → ps_thermal_capacity thermal_power_solar → ps_thermal_capacity thermal_power_geo → ps_thermal_capacity capacity_factor → ps_electrical_cap_fac average_annual_gen → ps_annual_gen cogeneration_all → ps_cogeneration combined_cycle → ps_combined_cycle

Step 1B: To simultaneously remove

The following parameters needs to be removed from articles completely. Do not action on the articles if removal is the only task (i.e. those with no other replace action), as it will be a waste of effort and more of a dummy edit. Please list those articles that uses the below on which no action was taken on.

To remove...

as_of developer net_generation constructor average_annual_year conveyance licence_expires nrc_region architect primary_fuel_capacity net_generation_year constructors upper_res_catchment upper_res_area reactors_cancel_mw upper_res_elevation employees lower_res_catchment lower_res_area lower_res_elevation upper_res_depth ghg_emission reciprocating_engines boiler_type annual_pump_consum elevation_m lower_res_discharge lower_res_spillways converter_type upper_res_discharge transmission lines lower_res_depth containment_type upper_res_spillways commission ext parent boiler_manu psps_upper_res_elevation thermal_efficiency cost ext permanently shutdown

Step 2: To list uses

The articles using the following parameters needs to be listed for manual action.

To list uses..
coordinates technology elevation pumped_storage mine_type upper_res_ac_capacity secondary_fuel_capacity reactor_types location_type local_name images Nuclear Power loction State tertiary_fuel_capacity tidal_technology other_name manager open psps_upper_res_ac_capacity

Step 3: Re-scan and final actions

Once replacement, removal, and manual actions are complete, and once the template itself is cleared of all depreciated parameters, to rescan all articles which use {{Infobox power station}}, and list uses of parameters not included in the final template documentation.

--Rehman 06:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Bug

There seems to be some kind of bug. Yobot replaces both, secondary_fuel and tertiary_fuel, with ps_fuel_tertiary, and SporkBot removes one ps_fuel_tertiary as duplicates. There is no a problem so far if only the primary fuel is used but i may create problems if also secondary and tertiary fuels are used. Beagel (talk) 06:29, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Beagel these were the instructions given above. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:36, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Beagel my bot run was one-off. Yobot did not remove any duplicated fields. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:46, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Bug fixed. It was not caused my me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:50, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much Magioladitis for fixing my error. *thumbs-up* Rehman 13:22, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

@Beagel, Magioladitis, and Rehman: the bot run introduced duplicate parameters, and not just the ps_fuel_tertiary problem. what is the plan for cleaning up this list? Frietjes (talk) 16:12, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I cleaned up about 160, but there are still many more left ... Frietjes (talk) 20:00, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

@Frietjes: thanks. Really appreciated. Sorry for the trouble made. I only did what I was asked to. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:37, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

@Beagel, Frietjes, and Rehman: I see many duplications of |ps_units_manu_model=. If you tell what I have to do I can do it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:45, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Magioladitis, they need to be corrected manually, but for example, something like this. basically, the first is the manufacturer and the second is the model, which are combined into manufacturer and model. the colon ':' may not be the best delimiter, but it works. another option would be to delimit with a slash, '/'. Frietjes (talk) 23:47, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Magioladitis, for the nuclear power stations, this would fix it. basically you have manufacturer/model information duplicated in the units_operational. Frietjes (talk) 23:51, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Magioladitis, are you able to list those as well, for manual action. Basically to scan for {{Infobox power station}} that has duplicated parameters. Apparently this has happened because two or more fields were merged into one. I suspect this happened only on wind farm/nuclear articles (because they had things like turbine_manu and turbine_model that are both renamed). There shouldn't be much articles with such duplicated field, hopefully. Rehman 23:56, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

@Rehman: Approx. 200 pages. There were much more but thanks to Frietjes's effort they are becoming less. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:57, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

@Rehman: the scanning happens automatically in this list. please help fix some. I already fixed over 200. Frietjes (talk) 23:59, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

40 left. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:27, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

The CatScan page doesn't load any more... Is it the same case with you? Rehman 13:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)