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Your GA nomination of 2016 League of Legends World Championship

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article 2016 League of Legends World Championship you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Mz7 (talk) 16:47, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Look forward to working with you. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 16:51, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Harvey Chochinov for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Harvey Chochinov is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harvey Chochinov until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXI, March 2017

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Your GA nomination of 2016 League of Legends World Championship

The article 2016 League of Legends World Championship you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:2016 League of Legends World Championship for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Mz7 -- Mz7 (talk) 23:41, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Posting at the top at my talk page

Hi, on my talk page, some newbie just posted a message at the top. Can you copy-paste it to the bottom please? I'm on a Xbox one currently which doesn't have the copy-paste function, only my school computer can do it and it can be WP:BITEy to remove the question from that talk page. KGirlTrucker81 ^{huh? what I've been doing} 21:38, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done. I don't think I've ever known anyone to edit from a console. Seems awfully inconvenient. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:13, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Template talk:Nazism sidebar

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image deletion

You have recently deleted an image i added for the writer Auguste Corteau. The above writer is a personal friend and has no objection regarding the use of the photo you deleted. It was copied from his facebook account but it was still uploaded with his consent. Please tell me if you need some evidence for the above claims or inform me about the omission from my part.

Thank you, Hector — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hector salonica (talk • contribs) 19:23, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Please be aware that you can't copy images from the internet into Wikipedia/Wikimedia unless it has a compatible license or claims fair use. KGirlTrucker81 ^{huh? what I've been doing} 19:31, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials, for how Mr. Corteau can get the photograph onto Wikipedia. If you can get him to follow the steps at the link, then the picture (which is quite nice), should be able to be used on Wikipedia, provided that Mr. Corteau owns the copyright for that picture (as opposed to just rights to personal use). ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:57, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 2016 League of Legends World Championship

The article 2016 League of Legends World Championship you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:2016 League of Legends World Championship for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Mz7 (talk) 20:09, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Don Meredith (politician)

Thanks for reverting my edit on Don Meredith (politician) I initially reverted the change as vandalism and later found that it wasn't that cut and dry. I appreciate that you took the time to look into it further. Thanks! Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 04:18, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

No worries, cases like these are hard. More caution next time and you're good. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 18:56, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Heh

I was trying to find an exact link back to the Twitter account they took that other BoybandPH image from and I finally found it just to turn around and see you already deleted it. Just wanted to give my thanks for the quick action! Even if it did result in a little waste of time searching for the link --Majora (talk) 20:52, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Heh. I scrolled through Twitter at first too, but then resorted to Google Image Search. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:59, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)

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Michael Moldaver

Question on Pictures.

You have removed my picture of Michael Moldaver. The owner of picture has given me the rights to use it. So I am not infringing any copyrights. Lloyd55 —Preceding undated comment added 23:42, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Free_licenses. Photographs released for use on Wikipedia do not have a free enough license for use on Wikipedia, or any other Wikipedia projects, so must either be claimed under the non-free content criteria or deleted as a copyright violation. Since Justice Moldaver is alive, it's reasonably foreseeable that someone will take a free photograph of him, so an NFCC claim would not be allowed. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:04, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Further Edits'

My apologies. I am new to Wikipedia and I don't quite understand the nuances. Just to fill you in, I am editing this article for a class project. My goal is to raise it from a Stub article to something better (hopefully a C rating). I understand that you have an interest in this article as well. Perhaps collaboration is the best way to proceed. I am currently trying to find information and things to add to improve the article. Do you have any thoughts on good things I should include? I thought that I might add a few summaries of cases he decided while on the ONCA. For example, the Phillion decision.Lloyd55 (talk) 23:19, 26 March 2017 (UTC) Lloyd55]]

Heh. I'm in law school as well, and really really wish we had a class like this. The article is now already C, class, though it still needs more to be B or a GA. Definitely stuff on his SCC or ONCA judgements should be included, if their importance is cited to a secondary source. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:26, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

I do have some confusion about discussing his decisions. Is it inappropriate to just cite the case? I'm not sure why more sources are required. For some decisions, there has been commentary and articles written. I am working to include them as sources to help improve the "only sites primary sources" issue. --- Lloyd55(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:39, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

It's okay to cite cases for quotations from Moladaver's decisions and literal paraphrases of those decisions per WP:BLPSOURCE. However the case itself doesn't demonstrate why the case is important, the background of the case, or the quality of the decision, the effects of the decision, etc. which has to be done through secondary sources. For our readers, it's not clear why these cases appear on the article as opposed to the numerous other decisions that Justice Moldaver wrote. Essentially anything that is not obviously and readily apparent from reading the case has to be cited to a secondary source or else it can be removed as original research. I would also recommend that text not about Moldaver such as the background and other decisions, should either cut down and moved into their respective articles (e.g. Reference Re Supreme Court Act, ss 5 and 6) or be used to create new ones (e.g. R v McKenzie). ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:56, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

I know that the list citation which I added is just a list to his decisions; however, by looking at the list you can see which cases have been cited most frequently. Does this not accomplish the task of citing it? Lloyd55(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:32, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

It's WP:OR, and may change based on what legal database service you use. Looking at the link and sorting by most cited, there's several top hits that aren't on the list (e.g. Torbiak). Most cited also doesn't equal important. Without doing extensive research into these cases, some of them have flags that show subsequent unfavourable treatment, which means their long-term notability, despite high citation numbers is unclear. This is why we need secondary sources to justify including cases, because the existence of reliable secondary sources is a rough indicator for how important the cases are.---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 14:51, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

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Why did you delete Peter A. French page?

You deleted Peter A. French page claiming a copyright infringement and citing a footnote to his cv information that is provided on the Arizona State University site where he is an emeritus professor. It is not a copyright infringement. If you look at the pages of any number of other current and former university professors you will see that their cvs are cited at their university sites as well. This is a malicious deletion. Restore it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nscotgda (talk • contribs) 21:53, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

It lifts entire passages out of the CV, faculty profile, and liberally uses long quotations from other authors, all of which are copyright violations. It's acceptable to use a CV or faculty profile to source stuff in limited circumstances for uncontroversial claims (see: WP:BLPSPS), which many other articles do. What the other articles do not do is blatantly plagiarize from CVs or faculty profiles. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

You need to get a better understanding of plagiarism. It occurs when a writer uses the words of another writer and does not provide an adequate reference of the source. As it happens, the person who wrote and submitted the page on Peter A. French is his son and he has the right to use material on his father's cv. Also the cv is not the property of Arizona State University and is not copyrighted by that institution. It is the property of Dr. French and he posts it on the ASU site that is made available to him and other emeritus professors. However, in order to clear up any of these sorts of issues, we will rewrite and resubmit a new page that does not use what you claim are lengthy quotes. A previous reviewer insisted that such quotes be provided, so it looks rather like you reviewers are just running this around in circles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nscotgda (talk • contribs) 03:23, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

The draft lifted several paragraphs more or less word for word from the CV, which only appears as an external link. The content from the CV has no inline citations to indicate that it was taken from the CV, and is was "sourced" to other sources. Even avoiding the copyright issue, this would be inadequate referencing. If Prof. French's son did not write his father's CV, then the draft was plagiarism, he did, then it was self-plagiarism.

You're correct that the CV is not the property of ASU, it's the copyrighted property of Prof. French. If he wants to release his CV under a suitably free license, he is free to follow the steps at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Please note that donating the text does not mean that a draft will be accepted, the draft still has to show via reliable sources that the subject passes either the general notability guideline or the notability guideline for professors. I don't see anyone in the reviewer comments insisting that multiple paragraph-long quotations be provided, but per our manual of style section on quotations, quotations from copyrighted text should should be brief and paraphrasing is preferable. We're not a place to place flattering review and commentary on Prof. French, but if they're from reputable sources and appropriately cited and paraphrased, that could be the basis for an article. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:25, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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Page Listing

Dear Patar, this is Guitarhistory writing - I am hoping you are willing/able to assist in the page creation of Ariel Stevenson. All of the references are listed & cited. There are many additional media coverage & write-ups I plan to list, additionally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guitarhistory (talk • contribs) 01:52, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

If you have sources to add, you should add them to the article. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:06, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Manassas, Virginia

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speedy keep of Ovechkin

Hi Patar Knight,

Just to be clear, I was the one who said over at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_April_3#Ovechkin that I didn't understand the nomination; I signed that as IP 84.3.187.196 and forgot to add "User:SimonTrew as IP" which I usually do when editing from a tablet where I do not particularly want the tablet to know my Wikipedia credentials (call me paranoid. I don't care if it knows my IP address.) The thing is, it has an awful habit of "autocorrecting" things, leading for one thing to ridiculous edit summaries by substituting the one I have written, when I click "Save Page", for one I put on an edit I made seven months ago for a completely different article and things like that (and introduces spelling errors into my comments at RfD and so on: I'm on me desktop now so any errors are all my own) so I don't trust it too much with passwords etc.

Before posting, I checked the history of that article and seems to me nothing wrong there just you got the wrong forum, essentially reverted yourself and then brought to RfD. Why it was unclear to me is that having kinda fixed your mistake why you didn't just WP:BOLDly do what you suggested but then brought it to RfD and then a short while after added the SIA content to it. No doubt all in good faith, but it really puzzled me exactly what you were proposing, I suppose what I mean is it just muddied the waters again after you had cleared them yourself.

Then to say speedily keeping your own nomination with the closing remarks "if anyone disagrees, take it to my talk page", I am sorry but that could sound like fighting talk. At least around where I grew up, "if you don't like it, we'll take it outside" is definitely fighting talk. I am sure it was not meant to sound that way, but I think it would have been better to leave the nomination open, explain further why a thickshit like me couldn't understand exactly what you were proposing, and let someone else close it. Or, just "withdraw" the nomination and then speedily do what you wanted. I believe WP:INVOLVED has something to say, and other admins have lately marked some closures thus, although that seems a recent innovation to me (to mark thus).

I have no problem with the action you took to improve Wikipedia, I just think you went about closing your own nomination wrongly, since "withdrawn" would probably have made more sense than speedily keeping your own nomination with remarks that sound like "if you don't like it, tough". I have as you suggested taken this discussion to your talk page, but at Wikipedia, the encylopaedia that anyone can edit, it perhaps is not the best idea to tell other editors where they can take it. It sounds aggressive to me, although having "known" you from RfD for a fair while, I'm sure you didn't mean it that way but the opposite, "I'm happy to discuss it". Still, your talk page is not the right place for that but the RfD itself, which would have been open were you not to have closed it.

I do not need to WP:AGF because I know you are in good faith, and I sincerely thank you for all your hard work at WP. I for one sincerly appreciate it, and thanks are something I should say more often. I can understand that you would want to sort it out as quickly as possible, but no great harm would have come from getting a consensus or just marking the nomination as "withdrawn".

See you soon at RfD. Thanks once again for all your hard work, I sincerely appreciate it.

Si Trew (talk) 19:12, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

I saw in the history that another editor had converted the redirect to surname SIA. In the past where I've unilaterally dones these BOLD moves, I ended up getting reverted and then taking it to RFD anyway, so I decided to go straight to an RFD. I re-added the SIA content for convenience of RFD participants to see what I was proposing to be moved to the new title. Definitely did not meant for my closing statement to be taken that way, so I'll amend it. Great to see you back. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 14:04, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Merge discussion

You may be interested in this merge discussion. Regards, Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:34, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Replace links to "Wikipedia:Wikipedia:..." with "Wikipedia:..."

Per your participation in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 March 20#Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Five pillars, you may be interested in a related request at Wikipedia:Bot requests#Replace links to redirects with "Wikipedia:Wikipedia:" in their titles. Steel1943 (talk) 16:21, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Leuphana (disambiguation)

I was considering seeking the deletion of this page, but I thought I'd get your opinion, as I found your input helpful on Sphering the other day. It seems to be adequately covered by hatnotes. What do you think? — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 04:31, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

From a quick look, it looks like Leuphana might be the ancient town for Luneburg. I would consider adding that as a third entry to the DAB, but it wouldn't need to be included in the hatnote, since it's explained at length in the text. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:05, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXII, April 2017

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Nick-D and Hawkeye7 look at air power and nuclear weaponry Op-ed: Hawkeye7 on Australia's part in the advance on the Hindenburg Line Timeline: This month in World War I

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DYK for 2016 League of Legends World Championship

On 9 April 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2016 League of Legends World Championship, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that 43 million unique viewers watched SK Telecom T1 defeat Samsung Galaxy in the the finals of the 2016 League of Legends World Championship? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2016 League of Legends World Championship. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, 2016 League of Legends World Championship), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Jewish diaspora

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Your assistance please...

You closed the discussion on the redirection of ((VAKHIDOV)) SOBIT (ABDUMUKIT) VALIKHONOVICH, and ((SHARIPOV)), RUKNIDDIN FAYZIDDINOVICH. Nominator's deletion rationale was flawed. Champion wrote: "I don't see how these are helpful given the redundancy of the use of the brackets, this exact stylization is not mentioned in the target."

I think Champion is claiming they aren't likely targets for an internet search.

Prior to the spring of 2006 the USA had kept the identity of the Guantanamo captives a secret -- just like a totalitarian terror state. In Argentina and Chile, human rights workers documented how security officials would "disappear" people they suspected of sympathizing with those wanting to overthrow the regime. Having them mysteriously "disappear" was seen as more terrifying to those who might sympathize with the terrorists, than an open trial -- particularly since a trial might, after all, acquit them, since most of them hadn't committed a crime.

Up until the spring of 2006 the USA followed the example of totalitarian terror states. But a court order forced the DoD to publish a list of the captives' names. On April 20th, 2006 the DoD published a list of the 558 individuals whose "enemy combatant" status was reviewed in 2004, and on May 15th, 2006, the DoD published a list they claimed were all of the 759 people who had been held at Guantanamo. (This list was actually a lie, or misdirection, as they did not include half a dozen individuals the CIA held there...)

Anyhow, although these redirects are odd looking, they are, in fact, how the DoD listed these two men's names. In May 2016 this list was published thousands of times. I was working on Guantanamo related topics, at the time, and my google news alert gave me, no exagerration, thousands of hits. This list is still being occasionally republished, as-is, even today.

What I think this means is that, without regard to how funny looking these redirections are, they nevertheless are terms that someone might perform a web search for. Therefore, I request restoration. Geo Swan (talk) 11:44, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Restored, per [1]. Thanks. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 14:46, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

• Thanks for the quick response. Geo Swan (talk) 22:56, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Revdel question

G'day, Patar knight, thanks for your comments on the Milhist talkpage about revdel. I am concerned now that my understanding of revdel is flawed. I've seen it used quite a few times in similar situations to the one mentioned. For instance on Australia and the Indonesian occupation of East Timor, where many of my own edits were revdel'd due to an underlying copyright issue I was unaware of prior to starting to copyedit the article. So that I can try to understand this a bit better, would you mind taking a look at Australia and the Indonesian occupation of East Timor and letting me know whether revdel was appropriate in that situation, in your opinion. (Ultimately, I have no desire to have the edits undeleted, nor do I wish to vilify the admin who made the decision, I'm just trying to understand it better). If not, do you perhaps have an example article where you believe revdel was used in an appropriate manner? Thanks for your time. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 04:33, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Without access to the source that's the source of the copyvio, I can't say. WP:RD1 isn't absolute, since it says that best practices at the copyright problems forum apply, which may be more context based (e.g. seriousness/length of the copyvio, how substantial others' edits are). Most of the time I revdel, it's on G12 candidates, which have minimal edits, but this case is less clear cut. I might not have revdeled anything once the copyvio was removed, or may a few edits depending on the previously mentioned factors, up to a point where the initial copyvio was sufficiently changed (if it was at all). ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:18, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

G'day, thanks for taking a look. The source of the copyvio was this, I believe: [2]. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 06:27, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Entire sentences were lifted almost word for word, and weren't significantly changed until the revdel. I'll have to defer to the revdelling admin, who seems to frequent the copyright problems forum, on this matter. WP:RD1, does say that best practice at that forum apply, which might often contradict the don't revdel when others' attribution is removed. I'm not sure if the legal team has made a statement on it one way or the other, if just revdelling content doesn't count as removing attribution since it's not in toto, or if removing copyright violations trumps our licensing requirements. Maybe it's worth shooting a request for clarification at some appropriate forum for clarification if you feel strongly about the issue. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 15:12, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

No worries, I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 04:14, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Weird relist of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prof M M Pant

Was this edit by you a mistake? I can find no record of IsaacSt contributing to the article, its talk page, or the AfD. And your relist comment also talks about a withdrawal of the AfD, something that does not appear to have been suggested by anyone. Did you intend to make that edit to a different AfD? —David Eppstein (talk) 22:55, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what happened. I think the double transclusion of the Schostal AFD below it on the log page may messed with the XfD closing script I use, which hides closed discussions. So I might have seen IsaacSt's keep !vote with new sources, and a withdraw attempt, which would've been out of order given the previous delete !votes in the Part AFD. Either that, or I just fucked up. I've gone ahead and deleted the page, since there seems to be a consensus to delete. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:22, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, I wasn't able to reproduce it, but I might not have perfectly replicated the scenario. I'll chalk it up to human error then. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:34, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:David Ferrie

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RfD eubot, thanks

Thank you so much for your help at RfD. That probably sounds sarcastic but is not meant to be.

I argue very vigorously, I know, but I hope always with politeness. I know you are kinda my "opponent" so let's argue them vigorously together.

Together we will make the encyclopaedia better. That's what it's all about, isn't it.

Si Trew (talk) 09:31, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

I am n ot good at awardign barnstars and stuff, but you can have one if you want for constant vigilance at RfD. I know awarding yourself a medal is a bit communist, but I don't know how to do it. But I award you it now. This is sincere. I do see how much hard work you do, even though you are constantly wanting to keep everything and I am constantly wanting do delete everything. I don't, actually, I keep most, but the ones you see at RfD are the tricky ones. But thanks for keeping an eye on it. Si Trew (talk) 09:34, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess one suggestion I have to you is that several of your RfDs end up being withdrawn. Consider spending 30 seconds and inputting the redirect title into Google Books or Google Scholar (which are much better at turning up hits for less common spellings) to see what usage it gets. If it gets a lot of usage and you're satisfied, RfD isn't required. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:24, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

The Protection of K. Wah Group Page

Hi Patar,

Hope this message finds you well. I am writing to request lifting the protection of K. Wah Group page so that people could make further edits on it and enhance the understanding the businesses owned by Dr Lui Che-woo, an influential business tycoon in Hong Kong. As far as I know, K. Wah Group and K. Wah International Holdings Limited are two separate entities that, K. Wah Group is a conglomerate businesses in industries including real estate, gaming, and hospitality and so on, while K. Wah International Holdings Limited is a listed property arm of K. Wah Group. I think the information of K. Wah Group on Wikipedia could be enhanced. I have made the suggested edits below and see if you are fine with it. Also, may I suggest the Admin separating K. Wah Group from the current K. Wah International page so that correct information could be added accordingly?

Suggested information on K. Wah Group:

K. Wah Group was founded by Dr Lui Che-woo in 1955. It is a multinational conglomerate principally engaged in properties, entertainment and leisure, hospitality, and construction materials, with market presence in Mainland China, Hong Kong, Macau, Southeast Asia and major cities in the US. The Group has over 200 subsidiaries, including two Hong Kong-listed flagships K. Wah International Holdings Limited (SEHK: 0173) and Galaxy Entertainment Group Limited (SEHK: 0027 and a constituent of the Hang Seng Index). Other major subsidiaries include Stanford Hotels International and K. Wah Construction Materials Limited and, Stanford Hotels Corporation and Cresleigh Homes for the US businesses. The Group has more than 33,000 employees worldwide.

Please find some articles that have description of K. Wah Group for your reference: http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/economy/article/1876828/hong-kong-entrepreneur-lui-che-woo-rises-tough-beginning-run http://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/1101617/monday-face-lui-che-woo http://www.worldsrichpeople.com/lui-che-woo.html; http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celebrity-business/men/lui-che-woo-net-worth/ https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/profiles/chewoo-lui/ http://www4.hku.hk/hongrads/index.php/archive/graduate_detail/333 http://nextshark.com/meet-hong-kong-billionaire-sold-peanuts-survive/ https://successstory.com/people/lui-che-woo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kycsprg (talk • contribs) 03:19, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

The below is the structure of K. Wah Group for reference: http://www.kwah.com/aboutus_structure.php?lang=en

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Brexit (disambiguation)

Hi Patar, only just seen your reply at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brexit (disambiguation) due to real world. As the consensus was to delete, it's moot now, but I hope you appreciate that your comment [3] is in the minority view - only the creator and yours. This only seems important to say, despite being moot, because of this incongruent portrayal of my edits as not being in line with consensus at MOSDAB, edit consensus and current practice. I'm hoping we can make progress on the inconsistencies with SIAs in future, regards Widefox; talk 13:27, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. I've been busy with real world stuff as well, so I haven't looked at that AFD, so thanks for the heads up. I'm not sure I agree with the close, since they only address what is admittedly the weakest example of another dab entry meeting the PTM requirements to be a valid entry (i.e. Brexit secretary). When I have more free time in a few weeks, I'll look at some more sources, and decide if I want to bring it up with the closing admin and/or take it to DRV, and participate in the SIA discussions. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 17:23, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

As almost unanimous (you and creator aside), not sure how it's possible to interpret such a clear consensus otherwise or how the close is in any way disputed. I would support your desire to clarify if this is in any way if unclear. Maybe taking up at the dab project may be fruitful as it's mainly about the interpretation of PTM. Widefox; talk 18:18, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia discussions are not a vote, but should be decided based on policy and guidelines. In this case,the AFD was closed before any discussion of the multiple reliable sources I found which used "Brexit" ambiguously or my edits to the DAB page which rectified the TWODABS situation. It's fairly common at AFD to relist even if the !vote balance is tilted if significant sources are brought into the discussion near the end of the seven day period so they can be properly discussed. No one is contesting that PTM disallows entries without significant risk of confusion or reference, so the DAB project page wouldn't be suitable. The question here is if the sources provided show that there is a significant risk of readers will confuse one or more of the contested entries with Brexit, or refer to those entries as Brexit, in which case they would not be barred by PTM. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:11, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Also in this case, the only user who addressed my examples/sources was the closing admin, who only referred to what was admittedly the weakest example of a possibly valid DAB entry (i.e. the Brexit Secretary) which was the only example brought up (and not by me) which did not have a RS ambiguously refer to it as just Brexit. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:13, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, exactly policy and guideline based arguments. There's no bold "Brexit" alternative title in any of the other (sub)topics. It's a dead argument. That AfD had some of the most experienced dab project members unanimously giving policy and guideline !votes.

For the record, all of the sources I looked at used "Brexit" to only refer to the topic Brexit. It is obviously and generally so, absolutely unambiguous. So much so, that finding exceptions would, IMHO, do nothing to prove or disprove the rule, but would just fly in the face of common sense and be undue weight - e.g. imprecise writing or errors etc. The dab isn't necessarily the place to argue about a topics alternative titles, but at each of the articles. Good luck trying to insert them, as they'd be, well, incorrect. I'm based in the UK, nobody refers to the Secretary as "Brexit", nobody refers to the referendum as "Brexit". If that is the thrust of the argument, it's less than a weak one. It's just factually incorrect. It's just not ambiguous. As I demonstrated on other dabs, we (current dab practice) don't refer to "Education Secretary" as "Education" or list them on the dab. MOSDAB is clear it's a WP:PTM. We've been over this, and consensus is clear on this AfD. That others, such as yourself and the creator are wildly out of step with consensus is not my concern, but when consensus is crystal clear, continuing seems WP:DEADHORSE. Widefox; talk 20:19, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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Nicola Hicks

Hi Patar - I just can't shake off Tooth Dover from the Kendra Haste article, (recent COI), so I thought I'd go apply all I've learned from you re OTRS permissions and how to write encyclopedically, (sincerely said), to the Nicola Hicks article. I think if I go work on the Hicks article Tooth will finally leave the Haste article alone. As you can see, the existing Hicks article lacks countless refs so I thought you would care to strip it down to the bare bones and then I will come in, locate her agent and do for Hicks what I did for Haste. I think all visual artists should be described adequately by their work, and I think there should be no limit to the number of images on any page, and I think Wikipedia ought to focus on what appeals to my son's generation; as long as Wikipedia insists on looking like Britannica then it's living in the past.

So what say - do you think, if I locate and communicate with Hicks' agent, I might learn something that improves the article? I think it behoves us to ask of those who know the subject best before we presume to claim to be knowledgeable. Mark^Dask 23:06, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Getting additional pictures, including hopefully one of the artist would be great. I'm busy right now, but will aim to review the article and look for other free pictures in the next day or two. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:30, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

No Worries @Patar knight:, I've found the ideal intro image, though only Fair Use. I've already done a lot but this time I'm building on refs, (as opposed to writing an essay first ). Thing is there is already a Fair Use image, (Murder of Crows, for which Hicks gave her permission in 2012), that I want to replace with a far better image, (CrowDance, for which she has not), and for that I would like her cooperation.

Her permission in 2012 gleaned her no reward given the state of the article up to 3 days ago but, as you can see from the new intro image, Hicks is a sculptor worth proper treatment on Wikipedia, and it will help if I can persuade her to contribute to Commons. For that I need to be able to refer her to the Haste article, and the many images on there that were donated to Commons. Unfortunately it has a COI tag that spells conflict, which you could delete, (as editor referred to I can't). I have no wish to engage in further contretemps re the Haste article so, pretty please? Mark^Dask 19:07, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't like to badger, Patar knight, but you are best qualified to review the Kendra Haste article and assess the worth of the COI tag. You rewrote it, and the images have all passed OTRS since your last input. Please therefore review the article and remove the COI tag. Mark^Dask 23:05, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Zaki Ameer

Hi, I notice that Zaki Ameer has been protected (by you I think) to prevent recreation. Zaki Ameer (entrepreneur) has been created recently. If this new article is to be retained it should be under Zaki Ameer rather than Zaki Ameer (entrepreneur). Could you look into this?--Obi2canibe (talk) 18:32, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

It's substantially better than previous versions, but the sourcing is at best mediocre, so I've put it to AFD. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zaki Ameer (entrepreneur) if you are interested in the discussion. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:08, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks.--Obi2canibe (talk) 11:49, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

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CerebralFix AfD (2nd nomination)

Hi Patar knight,

I am inquiring about the CerebralFix page that got redirected to Stickmen Studios after its AfD 2nd nomination. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/CerebralFix_(2nd_nomination)

At the time of the deletion discussion I had not finished writing the article. I have created completed the article in my sandbox with significant changes to the previous versions. The new article can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lamenam3/sandbox

I am not fully sure of the process of how to get a discussion going for getting CerebralFix article as its own page rather than being redirected to Stickmen Studios. I hope that you are able to read the new CerebralFix article I have done in my sandbox and give me feedback as to any requirements I am missing and whether the article will pass as its own page.

Thanks Lamenam3 (talk) 03:25, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I would suggest merging the content from Stickmen Studios into your draft, since it look slike CerebralFix is the main company now, and then submitting the draft via WP:AFC. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:02, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Andrew Scheer

Scheer has never been sworn into the privy council. Check the list yourself at List of members of the Privy Council for Canada (2006–present). Former house speakers are generally sworn in after they leave parliament. Hungarian Phrasebook (talk) 15:05, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, my revert would've been correct if Scheer had those postnominals, which I did not check for. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Promotion

I don't think its promotion at all I thought it was a draft I wasn't even 1/10th complete.

How can I describe the company without describing the company?

I need to create a Wikipedia page for our business AptoZen so it can be referenced by Google and other 3rd parties to finish profile completeness for our company.

I was under the assumption a draft was a draft now I have to start all over again? that makes no sense. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexanderSacchetti (talk • contribs) 18:41, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@AlexanderSacchetti: Please see WP:SPAM. Phrasing such as "AptoZen is more than a technology company – it's a people first company." is obviously promotional and unencyclopedic. Everything on Wikipedia should be written from a neutral point of view. Since you work for AptoZen, you must declare your conflict of interest before continuing to edit, and then try again at Draft:AptoZen. Keep in mind our notability guidelines for corporations. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 18:52, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

deletion of Easypolicy Insurance page is uncalled for

I fail to understand why my page was deleted without any information to me.

Please take a look at the following pages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BankBazaar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policybazaar

I can recite many other pages too.

Please reply with a satisfactory answer as you have undone my 2 hours of work in a callous manner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlokEP (talk • contribs) 10:04, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Both of those pages are in much better shape than your draft, since they are neutrally worded, while your draft used obviously promotional language such as "Easypolicy.com is a significant insurance intermediary in India." I would recommend following the advice given to you at Talk:Easypolicy Insurance, declaring any paid conflicts of interest and submitting a draft through Articles for Creation. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

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Changes reverted

Hi, I recently made a change to the Wikipedia page of Lisgar Collegiate Institute and you reverted it. It turns out that my change was correct (source: I go to that school). Could you please revert it? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.16.228.125 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Done. Saw the name "Ironmonger-Wong" being added and instantly thought it was vandalism. I've re-added you're correct information and fixed the infobox as well. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:21, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

RE Tanner Fox

Perhaps the Fox page should be SALTed as the last AFD was the THIRD successful one (see here). Yours,Quis separabit? 05:54, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

It was actually the first one, the previous two deletions were speedies of pages much worse than this one (one of which is unclear if it is even the same person). Since the current version is much better than the one deleted in November 2016, I'm not going to salt this. If this is a case of WP:TOOSOON, there's no reason to salt, since recreation is infrequent. If it does get recreated in its current state, there's WP:G4. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:01, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/N4 (record producers)

Hello. I am puzzled by relisting this AfD discussion. There is a clear consensus, as I understand the policies on determining consensus. Four editors, backed by policy arguments, arguing against one that is blatantly mis-construing policies through quoting out-of-context fragments and engaging in borderline personal attacks and serious bludgeoning of the argument would seem to constitute consensus as it is normally achieved in AfD discussions. I think relisting is just an invitation for the WP:TE editor to continue demanding everyone else satisfy their arbitrary and unsupportable standards for supposed notability. Thank you for your service in this difficult admin area. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:45, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

It's definitely leaning delete, but I decided to relist because the overall number of voters was not high and nearly half of the keep !voter's argumentation was presented in the AFD after the last delete !vote. So in the interest of allowing people to review the latest arguments and to prevent it from being taken to DRV merely for people not having had an opportunity to consider those points, I decided to relist it. Per WP:RELIST, relisted XFDs don't have to stay open for the full 7-days, and can be closed if there is sufficient consensus, say if the next couple of votes do not stray from the current pattern. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:18, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply, but I'm confident that editor will take it to DRV anyway. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 04:31, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

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Payrexx Page Deletion

Hello Patar knight,

You have deleted the page Payrexx, Can you please explain the reason so I can improve this and make it live again.

Thanks Aspries — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aspries (talk • contribs) 17:49, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Please see the community discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Payrexx and click through to the policies and guidelines cited by the participants WP:CORP, WP:CORPDEPTH, and WP:GNG. Also, if you are being paid to edit Wikipedia, you must disclose that before any further edits. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Unlinking Tanga.com after AFD closure

Tanga is a DAB page. Should the entry for this deleted article be deleted altogether instead of simply being unlinked? DMacks (talk) 03:50, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Looking further, I think a bunch of the other links were in See also sections, which likewise should have been removed instead of unlinked. I wonder if these are two known limitations (or bugs) in User:Evad37/XFDcloser? DMacks (talk) 03:52, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

I've removed the relevant entries before clicking through to this notification. It's not that hard to do manually, which I tend to do, because in some contexts removal isn't necessary (e.g. cast lists). But yeah, entries in DABs and See Also sections should be removed. @Evad37: Is there a way to do this automatically I know the script does this for links in templates already? ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 03:57, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick fix (and thanks in general for AFD work)! DMacks (talk) 04:03, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Voice of doom

Hello Patar knight,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Voice of doom for deletion, because it doesn't appear to contain any encyclopedic content. Take a look at our suggestions for essential content in short articles to learn what should be included.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

scope_creep (talk) 21:51, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

@Scope creep and Anthony Bradbury: I've restored the page. It was a good redirect (nickname of Canadian broadcaster Lorne Greene) for eight years before it was overwritten. Cases like this is why checking the history of any page you tag/delete for speedy deletion is the best practice. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Curious why you removed the photo of Lauren Southren with the Deus Vult T shirt. do you deny it is a white supremacist slogan? or do you feel the Economist is a insufficient source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Povertyiswrong (talk • contribs) 21:46, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Lauren Southern bio

why did you take this part out? it was a big part of boosting her profile.

− Southern posted unverified and incorrect rumours from 4chan that the January 2017 Quebec City mosque shooting had been carried out by Syrian refugees, and later deleted those tweets and apologized.

I did not remove it, I was the one who re-worded it and added the Maclean's source. It was Antique Rose who removed it. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 03:37, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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A clarification to WP:UP/RFC2016 § B4 has been proposed. You participated in that discussion; your input is welcome at Wikipedia:User pages/RfC for stale drafts policy restructuring/B4 clarification. Thanks, — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 15:52, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Further to this edit [4] except for a couple obvious and open test cases last year, there has been no moving of userpages to mainspace to facilitate deletion. What does happen is occasionally pages moved to mainspace get deleted at some point. Over 80% of mainspace pages by new users get deleted within 6 months (See NPP talk pages). Similarly at least 80-90%% of AfC submissions get deleted eventially. Over 80% of abandoned page by new users I've moved from userspace continue to exist a year later User:Legacypac/Promotions which proves I've been selecting and promoting the best pages I can find. Creating a special complex rule for handling deleted pages based on origin seems inappropriate. Legacypac (talk) 18:24, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Given that the community deemed your judgement on what drafts were appropriate to move into mainspace so poor that it indefinitely topic banned you from doing so, I'm not buying this defence. Processes exist for quickly getting rid of the most problematic drafts. Lots of drafts are crap. That doesn't mean you should facilitate the moving of crap into the mainspace. In any case, I wouldn't point to a high survival rate of your moves of drafts to mainspace as any indication that the resulting articles are okay. For such moves, it's likely that the only competent editor who will review or even see the new article is the one moving it to mainspace. Taking a quick look, many of the articles have several problems with them, and might have to be deleted, but I'll wait until the end of the RFC before doing anything. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:52, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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User talk:Stephadams07

Hi! I noticed that you deleted User talk:Stephadams07 while clearing up the redirects to Steph Adams. I think the user talk page had a couple of ordinary messages on it, and shouldn't have been deleted. Could you check, please? -- John of Reading (talk) 06:33, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, the script caught that. I've restored it. @Evad37:: Would it be possible to not delete user talk pages via G8 if the userpage redirects to the deleted page? ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 16:56, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion of HereandNow from Lisa Batey wiki page

Hi Mr Knight. I would like to let you know that Lisa Batey was on one of the first live stream life webcast called HereandNow I don't know why anyone would delete that from her page as I am witness to what happened in Oberlin Ohio. I am asking you humbly reverse that as it is part of history and she was the one who was a participant to it.

Ulysses Scott Adkins — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5CD:C002:1F3D:6476:32F9:99BA:D172 (talk) 21:38, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Batey (2nd nomination), which resulted in a consensus to delete the page. Deletions can be challenged at WP:DRV. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:52, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of article for Lisa Batey

Hello, I'm writing to enquire why the article relating to Lisa Batey/ here and now.net and livecasting has been deleted. This is internet history, the documentation of a personality intrinsically involved with the transition from still cams to full motion full audio and the progress beyond to mobile casting (Justin.tv etc) and robots. Lisa and the rest of the crew from here and now.net were pioneers in the online live video medium in 1999, when frac t-1's could push a signal that the common 28 and 56 k routers of the day weren't even ready to handle, when broadcasting and posting one's life was seen as crazy. Look at us all now!

I would like to understand why this history and person is considered inconsequential.

Thank you 81.171.110.74 (talk) 23:24, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Batey (2nd nomination), which resulted in a consensus to delete the page. Deletions can be challenged at WP:DRV. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:52, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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Church cantata

You moved Church cantata (Bach) to Bach church cantatas. If that stays it effects several navboxes that needed to be changed. However, I created Bach cantata and defended the term (see the talk page), but I never heard "Bach church cantata". Any source for that use? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Just curiosity, after it was moved back. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Naturally, any church cantata composed by Bach would be a "Bach church cantata" just like how a symphony written by Beethoven would be referred to as a "Beethoven symphony". Searching for the term for example, yields many hits in Google Books. [5] ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:15, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

It is not "naturally". The terms "Beethoven symphony" and "Verdi Requiem" are considered colloquial by project classical music, and should not be used. Most entries of what I see on the Google search say "Bach's church cantatas". That might be acceptable, but please discuss instead of edit-warring. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Colloquial terms are natural. I will defer to whatever the WikiProject prefers to use in this case, since I have no desire to get mired down on this issue. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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Extended confirmed protection of Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Geneva Agreements

Hi Patar knight, just saw your ECP protection of this page and I wanted to point out a couple things. The first is that extended confirmed protection can only be used where semi protection will be ineffective (in this instance it's an IP so semi would work). The second is that since this is a single IP editor it might be more effective just to warn and block them than to protect the title. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:03, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

@Callanecc: I feel like that requirement is meant in the context of protecting articles and other pages, which has a natural progression of protection levels, and not in the context of page creation. Otherwise, there's a perverse incentive to fully protect all salted pages even when it is unnecessary. In many cases, semi-protection would be effective, but admins still use full protection, which is less restrictive in how it can be applied, just in case. If we applied the policy strictly, admins would be forced to choose between semi-protection, which increases the risk that it will be re-created, and an overly burdensome full-protection. There's no reason why ECP page protection shouldn't be allowed in these cases so pages can be recreated if created by experienced editors.

In this case, it's a project-space page that should never be created, and if it would, it would be by someone who meets ECP requirements, so I think it's okay. I decided to protect the page instead of blocking the IP because the IP wasn't responsive on their talk page or elsewhere, and the editnotice on their page indicates that it might be used by multiple people. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:03, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

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?

Please reconsider this.

Did you read this? It says "To develop the brand and launch strategy for a recently-approved active clearance technology catheter. In addition, our challenge was to build awareness of Retained Blood Syndrome (RBS) – a newly-coined condition that results from blocked drainage catheters in cardiothoracic surgery patients." It was "newly-coined" by the inventors of the device.

That is what that piece of "article" is - "raising awareness of a newly coined condition". Medical marketing.

Really. If somebody wants to create an actual article on it, they can. But not this -- the volunteer commmunity should not have our time wasted cleaning up this kind of really ugly abuse. We all have much better things to do. Please just speedy it. Jytdog (talk) 04:28, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

I did see the link, and my first thought was to delete, but some quick Google searches indicates that the condition described is real and seems well-documented, it's just the name that is new. The article itself cites several reliable sources, and while the purpose of creating the text may be promotional, the text itself is not irredeemably promotional, so WP:G11 doesn't apply. I would've linked the AFD here, but I linked your name there, and I can see you've already replied there, so let's keep our replies there. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:17, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

There is nothing useable in that industrial waste. Not one MEDRS source. It would need to be completely rewritten. Jytdog (talk) 05:21, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

You don't seem to be familiar with medical marketing - what drug and device companies say and send to doctors? As I said in my G11 nomination, that is what this page is. Somebody who does medical marketing wrote it. Medical marketing is nothing like the kind of writing we do here. The sources are different and what we say is different. Jytdog (talk) 05:40, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Assessing whether an article's sourcing meets MEDRS is outside G11, which like all CSD criteria is only for the most obvious and unequivocal cases, which this was not. If the term had usage in reliable secondary sources, it might very well have been salvageable, and the AFD would have reflected that. In this case it wasn't and the snow delete was the correct outcome. I do know what medical marketing is, and I would disagree that it is nothing like writing on Wikipedia. It often contains citations to studies/papers which could hypothetically also be used alongside secondary sources in a properly written Wikipedia article if the subject matter could be shown to be notable. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:30, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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Hi,

i did not understand the reason for deletion of the page. Our article is about the association which is based under "The Institute of Chartered Accountants of India". the presentation which you have shared as the reason is actually an infringement of our data. You can also check our official page http://www.icaidubai.org. You can also find our parent Institute page with the similar content (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Chartered_Accountants_of_India). I would request you to please guide me how my page can be reinstated

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farrum (talk • contribs) 20:41, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Well if the presentation is infringing your organization's data, then having the same text on Wikipedia would be violating your copyrights as well, so the WP:G12 deletion would be correct regardless. To allow it to stay in draftspace, it would have to not infringe anyone's copyright, including your own. Another option is to give up some of the legal rights you hold by following the steps at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. However, just because the text is not a copyright infringement does not mean that it will be accepted as an article. Chapters of a national organization are rarely notable (see WP:BRANCH) unless covered extensively by independent, third-party reliable sources. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:46, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Why are you deleting this page?

Hello there, I have just created the page on the Sungai Selangor Dam and you have tagged it for speedy deletion --> This page appears to be a direct copy from http://archive.gamuda.com.my/dams_plant_station_selangor.html

I am sorry but you are very wrong. Whilst some information on the wikipedia page was referred from the page above (which was part of the Reference), not all information on the page was a direct copy. If only you spent more time comparing both the pages.

Also, even for the portion of the information that was referred from the reference page, I spent time edit and used my own words, hence it was not a direct copy as claimed by you.

I wish to contest your unilateral decision on this matter and would like to ask you to review what you have done and make the necessary correction please. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walkingkamus (talk • contribs) 15:59, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

The amount of copied and/or closely paraphrased text was very high, and removing it would have gutted the article. Just citing a page does not mean that you can liberally plagiarize from that page, unless the page has a suitably free license, which was not the case here. You are always free to recreate it without that text. Or if you own the rights to that page, you can give up some of the legal rights you hold by following the steps at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. However, just because the text is not a copyright infringement does not mean that it will be accepted as an article, since all articles should use reliable sources to meet the general notability guideline. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:43, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

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i want create my page

my page name yash gawli you are deleted frist created page and just created page need protaction i dont know and no ideals create page on wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by YASH GAWLI85 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Please see our notability guideline for people and our general notability guideline, neither of which you meet. To get an article on Wikipedia, you have to show that you have the subject of extensive coverage by independent, reliable sources, which you are not. Creating or editing your own autobiography is also strongly discouraged. Please do not recreate your article. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:58, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

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Ren Jiantao / Daidueerr

Hello, since you are asking me for link, I am responding here.

I applied G5 tag to the article because Daidueerr is confirmed as a sockpuppet of 123Aristotle on zhwiki, see their user page there: Daidueerr

• See central auth

• Ren Jiantao was created by Daidueerr on enwiki
• 任剑涛 (Ren Jiantao) was created by 123Aristotle (123Aristotle at enwiki) on zhwiki
• Also on zhwiki, 车建新 (Che Jianxin) was created by Robin1688 (Robin1688 at enwiki), and 车建芳 (Che Jianfang, sister of Che Jianxin) was created by Daidueerr.

Based on these evidence, the user has been confirmed as a sockpuppet in zhwiki. Please let me know if these evidences would justify G5. -★- PlyrStar93. _{→Message me. ←} 19:29, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll delete and block. In the future, it would be helpful to post his kind of material to the talk page, when it's not readily apparent from the user's page, or an SPI investigation page. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:31, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

United States military occupation

Someone is significantly attempting to change your draft on United States military occupation, and id figure you might want to join in the conversation.Garuda28 (talk) 17:05, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks commented. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:22, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Since the user doesn't appear to be accepting the consensus reached any suggestions on how to proceed?Garuda28 (talk) 04:00, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

We should at least wait until he responds to all the posts on the talk page before pursuing other options.---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:11, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Judith Enck article for violation of copyright

As was noted, SUNY Albany did not have permission to copyright the material they posted. They did not even inform us they were posting the material

They have apologized and deleted the material

I’m sorry about this. I just had my assistant put up what you sent me, and didn’t think about any possible problem. It has now been taken down. We will let the dust settle, then add the short bio you sent.

I hope all is well. Best regards. David

David O. Carpenter, MD

Director, Institute for Health and the Environment

A Collaborating Centre of the World Health Organization

University at Albany

Hi Dr. Carpenter. Given that there are copyright issues here, would you mind following the instructions at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for text to confirm that you own the copyright and are releasing it under a sufficiently free license for Wikipedia? ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 14:59, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I will add that even if the copyright works out, an article must still meet the general notability guideline through sustained, in-depth coverage in independent, third-party reliable sources. Looking at the sources in the draft, many of the sources are just passing mentions, which indicate that while Ms. Enck certainly does good work she may not meet the notability guideline. A search of Wikipedia for other Regional EPA Administrators [6] only finds people who met the notability requirements through other means (e.g. promotion to higher positions in the EPA, or other political positions). However, the draft can be improved on in Draftspace, and submitted through the Articles for Creation process ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:33, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

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Aloísio (disambiguation) and Junot (disambiguation) etc.

Redirects with a (disambiguation) qualifier should ONLY point to pages which populate Category:Wikipedia disambiguation or its subcategories. {{given name}} and {{surname}} pages are NOT disambiguation pages (nor are they WP:SIA pages, to which such links are also wrong), and links like those are just plain wrong. Ask in WP:APO, WP:DAB or WP:DPL to see if anyone disagrees with me.

It's enough of a problem trying to keep the number of bad links to DAB pages down below 30,000 without having to go to WP:RFD on issues like these. Because if you disagree with me, WP:RFD is the next step. Narky Blert (talk) 01:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, been a couple busy days for me.

First of all, both given name and surname pages are explicitly referred to at Wikipedia:Set_index_articles#Other_types_of_SIAs as a type of SIA. Regardless of what they are, they're functionally identical to a DAB page and do the same thing. There's been several discussions at WT:CSD, RFD, AN recently that have made "X (disambiguation)" redirects to SIAs controversial.

Deleting these (disambiguation) redirects punishes readers for not knowing every possible article that Wikipedia has. A reasonable person will know that the overwhelming majority of names will be shared by more than one person with a Wikipedia article. If Wikipedia has several people named X, and one article about a non-person named X, then a reader searching "X (disambiguation)" looking for a listing of Wikipedia articles , whose subjects can be referred to as X, gets where they want to go, since the non-person X article would mean its a DAB page. However, if Wikipedia has several people named Y, but no non-person articles about something named Y, then someone searching "Y (disambiguation)" looking for a listing of Wikipedia articles about subjects named Y, won't get where they want to go, because Y is a SIA and not a DAB. This is an entirely arbitrary distinction that very people, even experienced editors are familiar with.

If you feel that these redirects should be deleted, the proper venue is RFD. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:29, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

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2DABS pages

Thank you for for scrutinising my PRODs of WP:2DABS pages, an extra pair of eyes is always useful. I don't just randomly PROD these pages, I do research for search terms and only after I am satisfied that there are no other pages worth listing, do I PROD. Very often I will find useful entries and convert a (usually orphan) 2DABS page into a useful, proper disambiguation page, correctly linked from the primary topic.

I disagree with the validity of some of your de-PRODs so I have widened the discussion by listing them at WP:AFD. In another particular case, you assert at Washington National Opera (disambiguation) that Washington National Opera is "A metonym for the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, where the Washington National Opera is based". That is not mentioned at the target article, contrary to MOS:DABMENTION, and so if it is the case would you please make an edit to John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:16, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, what I thought were pings seem not have been sent (don't know what I did wrong). Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walpole Island (disambiguation), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WEBT (disambiguation), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suez Canal Bridge (disambiguation), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sweetman (disambiguation)

I guess my philosophy around 2DABs is to generally keep them especially if they are either 1. a topic that someone can quite reasonably think refers to more than two topics or 2. a DAB page that can offer something else in addition to the two entries (e.g. wiktionary box, see also, hatnote, etc.). In the case of the JFC Centre, the article lists the WNO as a tenant, so if someone says that they're going to the "Washington National Opera" or their show is at the WNO, they're really metonymically referring to the building it's in.

Thanks for the attempted pings/heads up, I'll get to the AFD pages tomorrow. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:36, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

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The Replacement (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)‎

If you're going to de-prod an article based on a claim that sources must exist to establish the notability of the subject, then I hope you'll be willing to provide a source, or understand if I bring it to AfD if no sources are provided within a reasonable amount of time. I would note that the article has already been tagged for over three years, and has nothing to show for it.

As for the argument that every other episode has an article, see WP:OTHERSTUFF. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 13:40, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

I already added an external link to a review which I believe is frequently used as an RS on Wikipedia, and which was easily found using Google. Wikipedia is a work in progress, and the lack of sources in the article does not mean it is not notable, if those sources exist. If after doing a WP:BEFORE check and you genuinely do not think it meets our notability guidelines, then you should take it to AFD, and you might very well be correct.

WP:OTHERSTUFF is 1) an essay about arguments to avoid at AFD, which is a very different forum from PROD and 2) about arguments that invoke apples to oranges comparisons where it's not merited. Here we are comparing like vs. like (i.e. Buffy the Vampire Slayer episodes) using a consistency argument which OTHERSTUFF explicitly allows (It would be ridiculous to consider deleting an article on Yoda or Mace Windu, for instance. If someone were, as part of their reasoning for keep, to say that every other main character in Star Wars has an article, this may well be a valid point. In this manner, using an "Other Stuff Exists" angle provides for consistency.) I don't see why this particular episode is so less notable than all the others that it must be deleted via PROD, and believe it should not be deleted without an AFD. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:32, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining your perspective. If no sources are provided to establish that this episode is specifically notable, I will open an AfD. As for it being so less notable than all the others, I suspect many of those articles likely also fail to establish that the episodes have any individual notability, which was my point in mentioning WP:OTHERSTUFF. DonIago (talk) 14:00, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

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Cheremkhovo

Hi there! I deleted the Cheremkhovo (disambiguation) redirect, because per disambiguation practices such redirects can only point to proper disambiguation pages (which set indices explicitly are not, despite their partial functional equivalency) and exist solely to satisfy the WP:INTDABLINK guideline. I truly don't care if this redirect is in place or not, but a) I thought I should let you know because technically you are wrong :), and b) it's going to eventually be deleted by participants of WikiProject Disambiguation anyway, because I've seen them do that, a lot. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 3, 2017; 17:51 (UTC)

@Ezhiki: Please see my reply above. SIAs are almost all functionally DABs, even if the MOS for DABs do not apply. Redirects of this type have been kept at RFD, and should not be deleted via G6. Deleting these redirects only punishes readers for not knowing every possible article Wikipedia may have for a given name, which is the determining factor between having a SIA/DAB. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 17:55, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

@Patar knight:@Narky Blert: I am not aware of previous RfDs dealing with these, but I would point out again that logically, it makes no sense to have a "XXX (disambiguation)" redirect to a page that is not actually a disambiguation page. Lists can also be used for navigation, any some are in such poor shape that they, too, are "functionally dabs", yet we do not create/keep around "XXX (disambiguation)" redirects to lists. Or to articles. Or to topics. As for the needs of readers, they do not actually type in "XXX (disambiguation)" in the search bar, and all other means of arriving at the destination they seek are already covered. Even editors directly link to "XXX (disambiguation)" redirects for only one reason—to satisfy WP:INTDABLINK where applicable. In all, I can imagine there is a handful of weird situations where having a "XXX (disambiguation)" to a set index (or even a list) might make sense, but this one is definitely not one of them.

Anyway, while I feel this all needed to be said, I have no problem with this redirect staying where it is. If past experience is of any indication, it will be found and shot a few years from now anyway, so don't blink, or you'll miss it :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 3, 2017; 18:10 (UTC)

@Ezhiki: Readers don't care or know the difference between a DAB, a SIA, or a barebones list, all they want is a page that will tell them about relevant articles under that name. That could be a DAB, SIA, and some lists. Given that the RM discussion that led to this issue in the first place incorrectly led to the Cheremkhovo being converted to a non-MOS:DAB compliant DAB, it's clear that even the experienced editors and closing admin there are not familiar with the differences between DABs and SIAs. I've repeatedly said that I would support creating "X (disambiguation)" redirect to barebones lists as long as the list functionally serves as a DAB (e.g. my !vote here). A good reason to redirect "X (disambiguation)" to an article is if it has a list that would serve a disambiguation purpose. That's what the nominator at the RM at Talk:Lord_North_(disambiguation) proposed, though the DAB was kept for other reasons. I'm not sure what you mean by "topics".

I don't see why readers wouldn't type an "X (disambiguation)" search term into the bar. Wikipedia has been around long enough that many users will either know of DAB pages or at least be familiar with the concept of DAB pages. Presumably, if a reader is searching for X, they have some baseline level of knowledge about X, and maybe they specifically want to find non-primary topic articles about X. For example, anyone with a bit of familiarity with history would know that there have been many Treaties of Paris, and might think that the base title at Treaty of Paris may be occupied by one of the more famous ones (e.g. 1763, 1783). Then if they are specifically looking for a page listing all the treaties of Paris, then it would make sense for them to search "Treaty of Paris (disambiguation)". Fortunately, this is a DAB page because there was a band and a horse named Treaty of Paris. If those didn't exist, then this would technically be a SIA. Would it really be helpful to delete the "Treaty of Paris (disambiguation)" redirect then because the target is not an SIA? Surely having the existence of that redirect turn on the existence of a barely notable horse/band is arbitrary?

Many SIAs are like USS_Albatross and shouldn't be linked to anyways, since the links should go to one of the entries instead. Having "X (disambiguation)" redirects could be used to designate intentional links to SIAs in the same way that they do for DABs. The Cheremkhovo case is a bit weird for sure because it's an SIA with only one separate article. I would still say the redirect is justified, because the title is a proper noun and the information present for each entry at the SIA could have been converted into multiple one-line stubs, which would have been notable as inhabited places. If Wikipedia had one article about a notable person whose surname was Cheremkhovo, then there could easily be a DAB page with that person and the stubs at Cheremkhovo (disambiguation). On the other end, there's no reason to have a "X (disambiguation)" redirect point to List of fire stations of historical significance in the United States since that would be unnatural and unhelpful.---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 07:31, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Having read through the links you previously provided, I see that we'd just have to agree to disagree on this one. As much as it befuddles me why people would consider having a misleadingly named redirect "helpful", I see this is a somewhat common view that needs a wider input, especially since it flies in the face of already established guidelines and practices (the dab folks aren't wrong when they are pointing out that the only purpose of "XXX (disambiguation)" redirects is to satisfy WP:INTDABLINK, and that folks advocating for using such redirects for other purposes are essentially hijacking them).
In the meanwhile, I would like to note that in none of those discussions I can see a consensus formed either way (to either delete these redirects, or to keep them, and definitely not to create them on purpose), so each case would have to be considered individually on its own merits.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 6, 2017; 14:10 (UTC)

Please restore Matt Flynn (Wisconsin politician)

Hi - you carried out a deletion of the Matt Flynn article about a month back (sorry, I'm not logged into my wikimedia account very often and missed the discussion)

Please restore it. He is notable enough that the State Historical Society has done oral interviews with him for the archives, he led the a major political party for a few years, and he is a potential candidate for Governor of Wisconsin ( http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/could-tony-evers-shake-up-the-governor-s-race/article_963b9867-5a0a-56a5-81df-f5d320fb7558.html ) - so while that's playing out, people who want to find out who he is can at least find a few pointers to him in Wikipedia. Thanks. Erik s paulson (talk) 02:41, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Interviews are considered primary sources on Wikipedia (see WP:INTERVIEW, and the only element of interviews that can be used to help establish notability is anything added by the party conducting the interview. In this case, that's the biography. The biography covers Mr. Flynn's career, which was already present in the article, as was the State Historical Society source. They were both considered and ultimately rejected by the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Flynn (Wisconsin politician) as sufficient to meet either our general notability guideline or our notability guideline for politicians. If Mr. Flynn does decide to run, he could potentially meet the GNG if he becomes the Democratic candidate, but that's not the case yet. There is also no mention of Mr. Flynn at the Wisconsin Democratic Party Wikipedia article, so it would be inappropriate to redirect it there as an alternative. If you wish to contest the deletion further, you can do so by following the steps at WP:DRV.---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 07:43, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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WP:Articles for deletion/Matthias Manasi

Hi Patar knight, per the discussion in that AfD, would you kindly salt the two article pages that the massive COI SPA sockfarm keeps trying to reproduce? Softlavender (talk) 14:21, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Without either page having been re-recreated after deletion, it's (for now) best to leave them be. They're on my watchlist (and probably yours as well), and if they get recreated, then it can be dealt with then. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:12, 7 October 2017 (UTC)