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Hi Funandtrvl, you removed a bunch of redlinks (for stimulant compounds that are still awaiting pages) from the stimulants template, I'm not sure if this was an accident but I have put them back where they should be. Meodipt (talk) 10:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

  • See: User:NicoV/Wikipedia Cleaner/Documentation for WikiCleaner tool to remove red-links.

Funandtrvl (talk) 14:26, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you understand, those redlinks on that template are place holders for compounds which do not yet have pages, but will do in the future. So there is no correct page name to link them to, as the page has not yet been created. Nevertheless they should stay on the template for now, to remind people that pages need to be made for those compounds in the future. Good work cleaning the place up though anyway, keep it up! Meodipt (talk) 22:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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Welcome to Milhist

Ken Campbell

Many thanks for fixing that link, which I had shamefully missed. Regards Wingspeed (talk) 23:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


Please be careful when using editing tools. Your program changed the "attack cargo ship" string at USS McCawley (APA-4) to "amphibious cargo ship", probably automatically because "attack cargo ship" is a redirect. But there was no such thing as an "amphibious cargo ship" in 1943. The type was redesignated from attack cargo ship (AKA) to amphibious cargo ship (LKA) only in the 1960s. Gatoclass (talk) 05:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Call sign disambiguation

Big thanks for your disambiguation work earlier today. You may not be aware of it, but you cleaned up more than 13% of the links remaining to be cleaned as part of my personal call sign disambiguation project. Mlaffs (talk) 14:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I hope that most of them were right, please feel free to correct any errors!!--Funandtrvl (talk) 04:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Categories and Wikiprojects

Please don't remove the Wikiproject tags from category tag pages. The scope of Wikiprojects always includes relevant categories as well as the articles included in them; note that the Wikiproject templates will specify "category" as the class of page, so this is obviously intended. Thanks! Postdlf (talk) 19:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Sorry, procedure acknowledged.-Funandtrvl (talk) 19:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


...for this courtesy. I've added my support on the Templates for deletion page. Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Changes affected lots more than disambiguation

This edit was labeled "Repairing link to disambiguation page" but it did a lot more than that. For example, it replaced "high blood pressure" with the less-understandable "hypertension" and it redid the number of columns in "References" and it changed the section header for "References". Were all these changes intended? Eubulides (talk) 20:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I resized references per Template:Reflist#Browser support and Wikipedia:Footnotes#Resizing references, so smaller size will be reflected in IE7, which I use primarily. Added two spaces after last section to prevent bunch-ups of navboxes. Wikilinks still need to be piped to point to current page names, not redirect pages.--Funandtrvl (talk) 21:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I see the two spaces, but I am still puzzled by the resizing and redirect issues. Could you please follow up at Talk:Vaccine #Reflist and at Talk:Vaccine #Redirect pages? Thanks. Eubulides (talk) 21:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


Funandtrvl, you just substituted bad style for good style using the Wikipedia_Cleaner bot to WP:Profanity, here: Bad style is not a problem, using a bot to systematically replace good style with bad style is. Per WP:MOS#Institutions, "The at the start of a title is not normally capitalized". All the major American style guides say the same thing, concerning most proper nouns.

But this is actually bigger than just a style question, it's a question of not "repairing" links that aren't broken, especially not with a bot. I see you asked this question over at User_talk:NicoV/Wikipedia_Cleaner/Documentation in October. The reply didn't come til late November, in case you missed it:

Problems with other users reverting back changes from the WikiCleaner
Recently, after using the WikiCleaner on several pages, I have had other users revert back the changes. Are any of you having the same problem? Any ideas on how to prevent this happening? Thanks for your help! Funandtrvl (talk) 13:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
The obvious reason would be in the previous talk section: Wikipedia:Redirect#Do not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken. If you don't like a guideline it should be changed, not overridden, and certainly not overridden automatically by a bot. Art LaPella (talk) 23:50, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

(Watchlisting for a few days.) - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 20:05, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

(1) Concerning redirects-I see the instructions at WP:R2D and will keep that in mind for the future, wouldn't there be exceptions for navigational templates and pages with links to disambiguation pages? (2) Concerning "The" in "The New York Times" in this revision:, according to WP:THE#When definite and indefinite articles should be used, my revision was correct and your revision at, is not correct. --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:03, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm aware. WP:THE is a naming convention, and therefore only applies to the name that should be used in the title of the article. All major American styleguides would agree (if they mention it by name) that The New York Times is the correct name of the paper; all do agree to either lowercase or even drop the "the" for the title of any work or institution inside a sentence, depending on context, as in "Have you seen Wagner's Ring of the Nibelungen?" "Yes, I've seen the whole Ring Cycle" (not "The whole Ring Cycle" or "The Ring Cycle", even though that's the name of the work). References on request. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 21:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I'm also aware of the American style guidelines; however, considering what MOS:CAPS says about using proper names or trademarks and the fact that the example on that page uses: "The Guardian Manual of Style", with "The" capitalized, there does not seem to be any kind of consistency to which style should be used here on WP. Thus, it is easy to see why there is a difference of usage, considering the confusing guidelines. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:40, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Archive header

Do you think the change that you made to the archive header at WT:CHICAGO is an improvement? No one will know which archive to go to without the dates.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem, added the more detailed {{Archive box collapsible}} --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much!!!--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Gold Star

You get a gold star for taking an interest in the candies article. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:46, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!! --Funandtrvl (talk) 01:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Removing red links from disambiguation pages

Please be careful when removing red links from dab pages, as in this edit [1] where you removed the link from the comic strip. Note the section of MOS:DAB dealing with red links (MOS:DABRL): "A link to a non-existent article (a "red link") should only be included on a disambiguation page when an article (not just disambiguation pages) also includes that red link." In this case the comic is also linked in the blue-linked article Jackie Ormes. I'll grant that notability--and thus the possibility of an article actually being created--is certainly debatable, but it's not out of the question. If in your opinion, though, notability is insufficient, you should remove the red link from the dab page and the article. Otherwise, though, keep up the good cleanup work. I can't believe I blinked on that Soviets entry on the Candy Girl page. Cheers! --ShelfSkewed Talk 05:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me about removing the link from the article page, also. Will do! --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:00, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

disambig MOS

In your recent edits at Orca (disambiguation) you removed a number of redirects that were, I believe, correctly on the page because they may one day have their own pages. You may disagree and rv my edits, but I thought the page looks nicer this way. Also, I moved a lot of stuff to see also because of MOS:DABNAME, do you agree with this? PDBailey (talk) 16:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the page for me! --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

January 2009

This was not a test on Help:Reverting, that page is a Meta duplicate page and all instructions were followed per the paragraph at the bottom of that page, as follows: "This page is a copy of the master help page at Meta (for general help information all Wikimedia projects can use), with two Wikipedia-specific templates inserted. To update the main text, edit the master help page for all projects at m:Help:Reverting. For Wikipedia-specific issues, use Template:Ph:Reverting (the extra text at the bottom of this page) or Template:Phh:Reverting for a Wikipedia-specific lead (text appears at the top of this page). You are welcome to replace the full wikitext of this page with that of the master page at Meta at any time. To view this page in other languages see the master page at Meta." Requesting a detailed explanation of the problem, please. --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
You're absolutely right, my apologizes. I apparently didn't look at all of the edits. =( Sorry. On a side note, do use the preview button when possible. Again, my apologies.Smallman12q (talk) 19:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
No problem, although I always use the preview button, that help page was sufficiently complicated enough, that I was not able to do all the revisions in just one edit, sorry. --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't threaten me.

Dear "Funandtrvl",

If you could read beyond the third-grade level, you would know that my edit for the College article was not vandalism (in fact, I specified my reasons.) The training of "Christian ministers" has never been a factor in deciding whether an institution would be designated a "college" or not (never has, never will.) Thus the bullshit about the "training of Christian ministers" was entirely irrelevant to the article. As well, the sentence "Contrast this with Europe, where only universities could grant degrees" further betrays a lack of reading comprehension of the preceding sentences which states "Dartmouth College has a charter permitting it to award degrees 'as are usually granted in either of the universities, or any other college in our realm of Great Britain.'" Obviously, the King of England was granting Dartmouth (and William & Mary) the privileges of a university (not creating some "exception" to European practices.) So please, before you threaten me with legal action (express or implied), why don't you learn how to read. Just because you are an inbred Christian fundamentalist who believes colleges were originally intended to train "Christian ministers," that doesn't make it so (at least not in the real world.) Now I think I will go back and re-edit the article you ignoramuses have decided to revert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:55, February 4, 2009 (UTC)

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Project sorting problem

I saw that you were doing maintenance work on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Criminal Biography/Serial Killer task force and Wikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography pages, so I thought I'd ask you about this problem. I've asked many people over the months, the best response I got was something about getting around to it. The problem is that even when we add the listas= to a WP template, the articles are not sorting according to last name. A great many articles don't have this added yet, but it doesn't function even for the ones that do. Is this something that you could address? If not, could you please direct me to someone who could actually fix our templates or whatever is wrong so we can use listas=? Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know the problem exactly. I've enquired at: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#How to add listas sorting to a WPBM banner?, hopefully someone more technically experienced than I am will help us out. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Village pump said they're working on it, apparently they need to fix a bug first. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:42, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you SO much! It's well beyond my technical ability and I haven't been able to find anyone to help. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Your move Destination marketing organisation to Destination marketing organization

Your justification for this was incorrect; there is no requirement to harmonise spelling of titles on Wikipedia; "organisation" vs. "organization" is an issue of local varieties of English; Wikipedia policy is to leave these at the initial version unless the topic is strongly associated with a particular region. See WP:NC#National varieties of English. Unless there is some other justification, it should be moved back. Thanks, --Rogerb67 (talk) 22:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

See reply at Talk:Destination marketing organization#Comments. --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:08, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Articles written by a Single Editor

Thanks for fixing the WP:ASE project's page! Just one thing: I don't think ASE qualifies as a guideline, it is just a modest fix-up project like others. Cheers Nicolas1981 (talk) 22:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't know how to categorize it, is there a guideline about that anywhere? --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Attraction list / Tourism

Hello, Can you argue about the pertinence of the attraction list in that state in the discussion page of "Tourism" article ? I suggest the removal of the list or its modification like I done. Thanks, En-bateau (talk) 11:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

See my response at Talk:Tourism. --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Article on Illinois State

Hello, I applaud your taking the time to edit the layout of the article to conform to the guidelines of city articles. I wonder why in doing so you did not improve the article by making the lead more concise. Is this something you are intending? The lead seems to go into details that could be moved to the body of the article.--Never give up! Never surrender! (talk) 03:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, thanks! I noticed that also about the lead paragraph, but didn't have the time to rewrite it. Any help is always appreciated! --Funandtrvl (talk) 04:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Your template edits

Hi, thanks for all your work updating banners and their documentation. But could you be a little more careful before making changes to the configuration of these banners, because some of them have been discussed at length in the past in order to find what the WikiProject actually wants. Your change to Template:WP Banksia for example, made significant changes which altered the behaviour of the banner. To be clear, no one could argue that correctly setting the ASSESSMENT_LINK or substcheck parameters could be controversial. That's routine maintenance to bring banners up to date. However we need to be careful when adding the full quality scale, for example, because we might not know what the project thinks about this. Anyway no big deal, and thanks again for your work. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox Company/Archive 7 edit

Hi, I'm not sure why you refactored this talk archive into archive 6. Archives which are too long are harder to navigate on slow browsers or Internet connections. Is there a particular reason for doing so? Thanks. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 17:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I've adjusted the archive size down to 150k, from the normal 256k used for archive pages. I also use a dial-up connection several times a week and have not had any problems with reading 100-150k. Because archive #6 had only 32k in it, that is why the portion of archive #7 was combined with it. As I have experienced no problems with 100-150k on a dial-up, if someone is still having problems, they must not have a very powerful computer and certainly, they must be experiencing problems accessing any website, these days. --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:Infobox WikiProject

Hi. We had a couple of edit conflicts while both working on that template. I hope that I didn't step on your toes there. I also hope that my explanation and solution makes sense. If not, feel free to discuss it more. We should probably use the {{In use}} template to help avoid future edit conflicts:

<noinclude>{{In use}} (Brief description of work) --~~~~

It can get kind of hairy and it's bad for the server when two people try to edit a commonly used template at the same time. Sorry about that. Have a good day! --Willscrlt (→“¡¿Talk?!”) 21:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Templating has kind of become my specialty here, mostly due to lots of trial and error and practice. Sometimes it's terribly frustrating. I used to spend hours trying to track down one missing brace or pound sign or an unescaped pipe symbol in table that was breaking things. Usually that kind of problem I can spot pretty quickly now, but the more complex the template, the worse it is to debug. If you ever need help with templates, feel free to ask me directly. :-) --Willscrlt (→“¡¿Talk?!”) 21:12, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Please read my latest comments on the template talk page. I haven't tried the blank problem you mentioned, but I will do so now. Please try not to make any edits for a bit on it. I'm trying to work with you here. I don't want an admin (or anyone else, including you) to think that we are in an edit war. We aren't. We are just trying to accomplish the same goal, but flip-flopping our edits across each other, and that's not helping. Ok? --Willscrlt (→“¡¿Talk?!”) 00:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
It seems fixed. 300px seems really big. Look at the Wikipedia logo at that size.
The Help:Images page recommends only 150px for the largest size. This matches what I'd read before for a recommended maximum size for people using mobile browsers and slow dial-up connections. Think we should set it to 150px instead? Editors can always choose to go larger using the imagesize parameter if they feel they must.
As far as removing bodystyle altogether, I don't think that's a good idea. It's designed for raw CSS code. You can try using that to override the width, and as long as you use "!important" with the width, there's a decent chance it might actually work. I don't think we should eliminate the ability to customize the CSS, nor do I think we should encourage people to try to override default settings. I put just enough info into the template instructions to maybe help people figure out how to do so, but not so much that they are likely to do it willy nilly without understanding the consequences (I hope). :-) Please try testing it out some more. Thanks for the sandbox example. It was helpful in testing. --Willscrlt (→“¡¿Talk?!”) 01:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Ok. I'll do that right now, unless I see you added an In Use tag. --Willscrlt (→“¡¿Talk?!”) 01:22, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Re: edit conflict - Thanks to your warning on my talk page I was able to catch it before committing my changes, thus no conflict. :-)
I hate it when two similar templates (in this case {{Infobox WikiProject}} and {{Project information}}) offer the same parameters, yet implement them completely differently. Argh! In {{Infobox WikiProject}}, the order of the userboxes is important, because each one tacks on a different prefix to the page (dumb, in my opinion). In {{Project information}}, there are the same three parameters, but they work as I would expect: allowing people to include up to three different userboxes and relying upon the editors to include the full path to the template. So it doubles my work to try to make the two templates compatible (I like compatability!). Going to be testing that now. I hope it's okay to keep using your sandbox. :-) --Willscrlt (→“¡¿Talk?!”) 02:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
no problem, I didn't even realize there is another template for you to fix!! --Funandtrvl (talk) 02:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Ok. Done with my tweaking for now. How do you like it? I don't think it will break any current implementations, though I am going to go through the linked pages and verify that no infoboxes got horribly broken as a result. --Willscrlt (→“¡¿Talk?!”) 03:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
it looks good, thanks for your work and expertise! --Funandtrvl (talk) 03:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing out the lack of documentation for 'notice-extended'. I fixed that and did some more tweaking. I looked through about 100 different WikiProjects that used that template, and I discovered that people weren't very consistent in how they filled in parameters, so I tried to make the template smarter. It seems to cover pretty much every variation that editors seem to throw at it now. :-) It's a pain to support a) new features without breaking hundreds of older implementations, b) people who don't follow directions and do it their own way, and c) decisions reached by consensus in the past that don't seem to follow current methodologies (again without breaking them when you switch to the new defaults). It's kind of like a puzzle--a real challenge. But it was fun, too. Thanks for inspiring me! If you have anything else to suggest or fix, let me know. Have a good weekend. --Willscrlt (→“¡¿Talk?!”) 08:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for all the cleanup on Template:Infobox WikiProject/doc. I'd swear that some of those mistakes were not in there when I finished editing, but I guess I was more tired than I thought. Good teamwork. :-) --Willscrlt (→“¡¿Talk?!”) 21:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

note on the {{Project information}} template

The Project information is designed as a part of a whole set of boxes that are designed to work together. It is used on the side panel of the various food and drink projects, the law project and some others. The {{Infobox WikiProject}} is an unrelated stand alone. --Jeremy (blah blah) 18:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


I don't understand this edition. Could you kindly explain me? Thanks. --Againme (talk) 18:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

It's just to populate the 'Automatically assessed' category from the WikiProject, using a bot. I think the article needs to be added to and improved in order not to be considered a stub article. --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:15, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Ohh... I thought that was about the tag being included by a bot or by a person... --Againme (talk) 19:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the userbox work relating to Portals. :) Cirt (talk) 18:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, just trying to cleanup, when I found the 2nd userbox out there, not categorized to the project! --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

MiszaBot's code

Please note that MiszaBot's code needs to be on separate lines to properly function. Make sure not to combine it onto a single line such as [2]. cheers, –xeno talk 22:36, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know, I also fixed the counter error, hopefully, it'll work now. --Funandtrvl (talk) 04:36, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


I'm looking for opinions about whether certain articles should be in Category:Dichotomies. You have contributed on Category talk:Dichotomies, so perhaps you would like to view the current discussion and add your thoughts. Thanks. Johnuniq (talk) 03:03, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


Right - I'm out of town at the moment, but I'll work on it soon as I'm home. Promise. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 16:02, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Food and Drink Categories

Please stop. You are changing stuff and messing up the structure of the Food and Drink Category system that I have been fixing for the past month. --Jeremy (blah blah) 05:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to be so blunt, I wasn't trying to be rude, just get your attention. Thank you for the offer of help.
With the category system for food and drink I am arranging the categories so that we are not dealing with over-categorization. If you see any redlinks in the category system, that just means I have not gotten to that yet. We have made some moves over the past year, converting dead Projects to Taskforces, but we missed the categories and many legacy categories are left over such as the ones you were moving things into. (eg Category:WikiProject Cheeses which should have been replaced with Category:Cheeses Taskforce)
Also, I have come across several categorization notes that are good to know: There are several system symbols that Wikipedia used to denote projects (ω), templates (τ), stubs (μ) and Wiki-Reader (ρ), which you changed or just appended on to the entries. Also, the wikimedia software does not recognize anything after the first character in the name used, in other words [[Category:Foo|Example]] is treated the same way as [[Category:Foo|E]].
Again I apologize for the abruptness of my first note, I hope you don't hold it against me.--Jeremy (blah blah) 06:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

The F&D Project is very complicated in its structure, here it is: WP:Food (parent)

WP:Cheeses (TF)
WP:Herbs (TF)
WP:Foodservice (TF)
WP:Wine (Child WP)
WP:Beer (Child WP)
WP:Pubs (Beer TF)
WP:Mixed Drinks (Child)
WP:Bartending (Mix drinks Child WP)
→ WP:Ice Cream (Child WP, possibly dead)

I have checked the other projects' categories and they all seem to be in proper order. My major project right now is recategorizing all of the Food and Drink templates which is turning into a major job. The Drink side is done, but the Food side is a complete mess. There are so many templates that have yet to be classified it is taking some time to get them all together. In the past week I have found almost 300 user templates that have never been classified and still need to be tagged. 8-P --Jeremy (blah blah) 06:56, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Milk glass.jpg Mmm - Milk!
You can't have cookies without milk!

Category structure for food

Hey, I just want you to know that with almost all of the portals, projects and taskforces that the categories they sit in are already a subset of the main WikiProject Food and Drink category. Basically it is a pyramid of categories with the Food and Drink cat at the Apex. You don't need to add the Food and Drink cat to those child pages because their individual cat is already part of the parent cat. --Jeremy (blah blah) 19:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


Heh, I was just in the process of pinging them when I got your message. To be fair, I think they've got a point - but the article should be created first. It's a major page, and should be as straightforward as possible. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 22:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


The project is fairly recent, less than six months old. It just hasn't been fully integrated yet. --Jeremy (blah blah) 03:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, just wanted to drop by and say thanks for the work you're doing to WP:SPIRITS Smile.svg -- Cabe6403 (TalkSign) 02:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


The parent cat of Category:Drink templates is a sub cat of Category:Food and drink templates which is in included in Category:Society and social science templates. How ever If you wish to cross reference it with Category:Society and social science infobox templates do so. I did not see the whole name you had put when I reverted. --Jeremy (blah blah) 05:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

{{WikiProject Food and drink}}

Thanks for the changes. However, the task forces do not have their own assessments - they use the parent projects assessments. --Jeremy (blah blah) 18:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Mayhaps it is a left over from when they were independent projects. The pages may still be left over from when they had their own assessments. --Jeremy (blah blah) 20:56, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
It happened when I edited the documentation page to reflect the changes to the template and display all of the various options. I have tried to fix it but have not been able to get it to display right. Maybe taking the small options out may work, but that sort of defeats the purpose of the page. Also on AbQ, I edited the documentation to clarify the behavioral issues you are asking about. You will have to edit the specific style sheet that defines the toc style for that to work. --Jeremy (blah blah) 16:53, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

May 23

The Wine project never signed off the usage of the {{WikiProject Food and drink}} template on articles. Until they say yes. It has to stay under the do not use area. --Jeremy (blah blah) 02:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, on drink related pages, if you hit them with the project tag, please use {{WikiProject Food and drink|drink=yes}} to assign it drink oriented information such as the Drink Portal. --Jeremy (blah blah) 07:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

May 27

I have gone through the template and added all missing instances of the missing various additional tags and added them in. There is still allot more to do and I will be working on it tomorrow. --Jeremy (blah blah) 19:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


A week ago I invited you to consider a disagreement regarding whether certain articles should be in Category:Dichotomies, and you kindly visited the talk page. I can see now that the discussion lacked focus and you would have needed an hour to work out what it was all about. It would be great if you would visit Category talk:Dichotomies#Examples where I have listed 24 articles in the Dichotomies category, and comment on some of them: yes certain articles should be in the category, or no certain articles should not be in the category. I would recommend just listing some article numbers and saying what you think about them, but of course if you want to make comments on each individual article that would be good too. Thanks. Johnuniq (talk) 07:53, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Marsiglia 1807

Hello, may I ask one thing first of all excuse my English, I am an Italian citizen, I live in the province of Bari doing research on some of my relatives emigrated to the United States of America they lived in Addison, but after contacting the Joint communiqué ce years I have moved elsewhere. I want to know if the county of Du Page County has records of birth marriage and death of the village of Addison, because 'I would like to know the various dates concerning my relatives. I am Italian could send me the certificates including payment. Hello, answer. Greetings from Italy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marsiglia 1807 (talkcontribs) 10:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Marsiglia 1807

Hello, thanks for having responded I would ask for the certificates as I can get the money to Du Page County Clerk. In your opinion can be sent out even if I am not an American citizen. Answer and sorry for disturbing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marsiglia 1807 (talkcontribs) 22:28, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:Wine assessment page

Thanks for the heads up. I created one at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wine/Assessment, I just used the Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink/Assessment page as a template. --Jeremy (blah blah) 01:00, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

{{Project information}}

I fixed the category issue in the template, just was a typo from when I created it oh so long ago... --Jeremy (blah blah) 02:20, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

{{Numbered subpages}}

According to Happy-melon the template parser functions cannot be modified to allow variables such as picture length etc. The solution? {{25 Numbered subpages}} & {{75 Numbered subpages}}. Kludgy, but workable. --Jeremy (blah blah) 07:01, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

{{WikiProject Mixed Drinks}}

The focus=bar is a leftover from the pre-{{WPBannerMeta}} template, those should all be changed to bar=yes. That would be a good bot task. --Jeremy (blah blah) 08:49, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

{{Food assessments}}

Those are ghosts in the machine, they do not exist - I checked. I went through and removed all instances of the template before I put the {{speedy}} on it. For some reason any page that had the template transcluded is still registering as linking to the page.

Look for yourself, do a search on the pages and see. --Jeremy (blah blah) 20:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

{{WikiProject Mixed Drinks}} pt. 2

I figured out how to create a pass through for the various fields. You will need to ad the following switches to accommodate the task forces:

 |ATTENTION_CAT    = {{#switch:yes
                       |{{{bar|}}}  = Bartending articles needing attention
                       |Mixed drinks articles needing attention}}

 |INFOBOX_CAT      = {{#switch:yes
                       |{{{bar|}}}  = Bartending articles needing infobox
                       |Mixed drinks articles needing infobox}}

 |COMMENTS_CAT     = {{#switch:yes
                       |{{{bar|}}}  = Bartending articles with comments
                       |Mixed drinks articles with comments}}

 |NOTE_1_CAT       = {{#switch:yes
                       |{{{bar|}}}  = Wikipedia requested photographs of bartending
                                      -or- Bartending articles needing photos
                       |Wikipedia requested photographs of mixed drinks
                        -or- Mixed drinks needing photos (depends on cat)

As you can see I used the Mixed Drinks Project as an example, but this can be done on any WPBannerMeta template. --Jeremy (blah blah) 06:49, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


This is the stub for the bartending article. It was deleted some time ago. I have asked the deleting admin to restore it.--Jeremy (blah blah) 08:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

deleting stuff

Hello: The reason the delete was declined earlier was that the redirect was hanging around for a long time. If it is there for a long time it is likely to end up in article histories (in this case project page or template histories). When you attempt a non controversial speedy delete, you will need to provide a justification as to why it is non controversial, because it is not always obvious, and the administrator has to check for edit warring and vandalism. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:18, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed Drinks/Archive2006 given the chomp too. Let me know if you want it back. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:24, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

St. Peter and Paul Rocks and Fernando de Noronha

Hello Funandtrvl! I am very touched by the disappearance of flight 447 but I cannot help so much. I am very busy, and the work seems difficult. I apologize and wish good luck. Regards; Felipe ( talk ) 16:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Maltese Language

Thank you for such prompt and careful action. Restores my faith in the project. (talk) 21:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Redirect of Intertropical Convergence Zone yesterday

Was a six month window for comments on the ITCZ talk page not enough? I'm surprised it wasn't. Thegreatdr (talk) 15:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

That's not the point, it's a controversial move and should have been handled as much. Besides, it needs its own article anyways, just because it needs to be updated or expanded to explain the differences between it and MT, doesn't mean it should be redirected. After all, NOAA has a whole page on it, why shouldn't W? --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
After exploring the situation more, I think they do need to remain separate. If there had only been feedback with the ITCZ talk page, the redirect could have been avoided. The SPCZ article is already cross referenced with both ITCZ and monsoon trough (looks like I did so 2 1/2 years ago when I expanded out the SPCZ article initially). I've added a wikilink for monsoon trough into the lead of the ITCZ article, and added a section concerning the different names for certain ITCZ portions into the ITCZ article. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Convert template on AF447

FYI a lot of the units in miles (abbrev mi) are actually nautical miles, which is a significantly different unit and is flagged as "nmi" to the convert template. This diff might put a bit of context around which are actually in nautical miles. Thanks/wangi (talk) 21:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, can you fix that for me? I was intending to ck the measurements with the sources, but hadn't gotten to it yet. I see someone caught it already! --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to, but lacking enough time just now to do it right. I noticed the issue earlier today with that IP's edit and actually started them but a load of real life got in the way. Could you flag up the issue on the article talk page so hopefully somebody could pick it up? Thanks/wangi (talk) 21:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


Hi Funandtrvl, I saw some of your edits in the gardening portal, and thought you might be interested in contributing to a gardening wiki project (outside of wikipedia). It uses the same mediawiki script, but the goal is to have every single garden plant in the world, with articles focusing solely on the gardeners perspective and how to grow it. In other words, description, zones, sun/water requirements, cultivation, propagation, cultivars, pests/diseases, anything else relevant, and of course photos. A huge undertaking that is already pretty substantial in size, but which needs tons of help with additional information, categorization, text cleanup, etc. Wikipedia of course is not a how-to, so you can't actually go into detail on how to grow the plant, but is there exactly for that. Anyway, if you have any questions, let me know, but I really hope I'll see you over there too! --RaffiKojian (talk) 02:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for letting me know about this other site! --Funandtrvl (talk) 04:26, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


Would you be interested in it? MBisanz talk 23:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for thinking of me, I really appreciate it; however, at this time, I may not have the personal time that is truly required to devote to the Wikipedia project, as one would expect an adminstrator to do. Secondly, I haven't had a chance to thoroughly review the complete set of WP policies and guidelines or previous cases of RfA's that were successful and not. --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Okey, I understand. Thanks for all your work and if your mind ever changes, ping me. MBisanz talk 17:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Cat class

Hi, did you know that {{cat class}} automatically adds the categories, so your edit here was unnecessary?

PS, regarding the above, I would likely support you in the future as well but I don't think you've been actively editing for a full year yet, and you've probably got more things to learn. So I think you made the right decision to decline at this time :) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

You're quite right, I got it completely the wrong way round. I feel a bit stupid now. Anyway, keep up the good work; it's good to have you around. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:02, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Travel literature

wow great work here. Thanks so much StarM 02:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

 :) You made me feel less guilty about not having done what I intended since I watchlisted it forever and a day ago. Did indeed have a good 4th - escaped the City for a bit, which is always wonderful. You? StarM 03:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
No problem!! You know I'm not a lover of the 4th holiday, my neighbors were setting off firecrackers (really big ones that could qualify for the Capitol 4th) that kept me up until 3am, and they're still blowing them up today too! So, I'm still catching up on my sleep, and I think it's safe to venture outside now w/o risk of a firecracker whizzing by!! :) --Funandtrvl (talk) 03:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh yuck! I was in Rochester, New York and timing worked out as I saw the weekly High Falls fireworks, followed by those set off by the city and ultimately the ones at the Rochester Red Wings game, which I attended. I imagine if I'd been home, NYC, I'd have had some od the same fireworks issues you mention. Hope you catch up on sleep soon! StarM 12:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Category:Non-article Canada-related pages

C3 was not the correct tag simply because the template in the category was a legitimate one and the category was legitimately empty. I looked into a bit more and realised there is no chance of the category ever being re-populated so I deleted it under housekeeping. Regards, Woody (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

{{db-empty}} or {{db-housekeeping}} with a quick statement saying that the cat is a remnant of category change and is surplus to requirements. Regards, Woody (talk) 19:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Portal:The Beatles

Yeah, sure. I've got to go offline for about an hour soon, so if you want to make a start in that time I'll join in as soon as I Get Back. Dendodge T\C 18:11, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

It would probably be better if we used some kind of standard formatting template. I'll see what I can find and knock something up in the sandbox. Dendodge T\C 17:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I've started completely reworking it at User:Dendodge/Sandbox/Beatles portal/2. Just to let you know. Dendodge T\C 18:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Better now? Dendodge T\C 19:05, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that's honeydew. I suppose green would fit - I just chose it because it's my favourite colour =P. Dendodge T\C 19:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk archive sizes

I've discussed this with you before, but I see you've combined the talk archives of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States into one 100K page. If you look at that page in edit mode, MediaWiki gives a warning about its size; I've already intimated that pages of this size cause severe performance issues with at least two machines I regularly edit on. may I ask why you feel it is essential that talk archives are merged into huge monoliths? Archive searching is now a mature technology on WP which makes searching across various pages at once far easier, while keeping pages at a sensible length allows for them to be browsed on less performant systems. I must kindly ask that you stop doing this unless you've a genuinely compelling reason, as it personally inconveniences me to a quite large degree. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 21:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


Hi, I reverted a recent edit you made to this template. I've brought up a discussion about it at this page. ThemFromSpace 02:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Travel WikiProjects

TBH, that was something I was demonstrating for a RL friend who was interested in creating a WikiProject of that name. After the initial tinker to show them how to do it, they went home. I left the project alone after that and haven't paid it any attention - is it active? Dendodge T\C 08:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so, but we may make it a TF of WP:WP Travel and Tourism. --Funandtrvl (talk) 15:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:Tourism move

Hey, great work so far on doing all the moving and reorganization. Looks great. Hopefully once all the moves are complete the new project can turn around and get active again. If you need any help with anything, let me know. Andyo2000 (talk) 21:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm still working on changing the related WPs to TFs. --Funandtrvl (talk) 01:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Your edit to Railroad car

Please read WP:R2D; thank you. --NE2 04:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I reverted your edit to Iris

I reverted this edit because it violated this provision of MOSDAB. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Not Vandalism

Fixing the disambiguation page of Latin Music is not vandalism. Stop making false accusations and threats in my talk page please. (talk) 13:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me for butting in, but I think you both have a point. I think Latin music should perhaps be a disambiguation page (it isn't one now, it's a redirect). "Latin" can refer to either the specific language or to any of various groups of people (see Latins). --Auntof6 (talk) 21:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, of course. Since it wasn't a disambig page, and if you check "What links here", in its current form it makes more sense to redirect to Latin American music than Music of ancient Rome. --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


I noticed your edit to Internet Relay Chat [3] with WikiCleaner changed redirects into piped links. This is usually not desired (except in the case of navigation templates), see the WP:R2D subsction of Wikipedia:Redirect. --Tothwolf (talk) 16:13, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

NRHP disambiguation links

Hi, i note u are performing a series of disambiguation cleanup edits, which overall look good. This happens to have included revising Clarksville Historic District, a dab page that has several NRHP-related items, on my watchlist.

It looks like u have some tool that checks, or u are checking manually, whether a link is redirected to a differently named article. For 1500 or more NRHP-related disambiguation pages, there are links of format [[List of RHPs in ___|listed on the NRHP in ___]], where "List of RHPs in __" is a redirect to "National Register of Historic Places listings in ___". In my view, it is NOT an improvement to replace that link with just National Register of Historic Places listings in __. The existing system is consistent with guidance obtained in this extended past discussion at WikiProject Disambiguation. Further if some such change was going to be performed, I would want to do it by use of a bot request, and do it all systematically.

So, could I ask that you not change the NRHP items that way? And/or to discuss and sort out what makes sense, before changing more. Thanks! doncram (talk) 17:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

You replied at my Talk: "Thanks for pointing out the discussion about the naming problems for the NRHP lists. I obviously wasn't aware of it, but I did wonder why all of the pages for the NRHPs had been renamed and were showing up as double-redirects with the Wikipedia cleaner. Were the lists renamed because of the policy of not using acronyms? Is there any possibility that the list names would be changed back? If not, then shouldn't the links be piped to the current names of the NRHP lists? Any clarification would be appreciated! --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)"
Actually you seem to be driving at something different than what i expected. The discussion I linked to was not meant to be about the NRHP list renamings, which did happen though. If your focus is on double redirects, then we could address that pretty easily. Yes, all the NRHP list-articles were renamed from format "List of Registered Historic Places in ___" to format "National Register of Historic Places listings in ___". List of Registered Historic Places does not appear anywhere. On the other hand, i have continued to use extensively the shortcuts of format "List of RHPs in __", which each should redirect to "National Register of Historic Places listings in __". I wouldn't really know about cases where usage of "List of RHPs in __" involves a double redirect (like if in fact it redirects to "List of Registered Historic Places in __" which redirects to "National Register of Historic Places listings in __"). If there are cases like that, then I would indeed support revising the "List of RHPs in __" entries to point directly to the final target. Note, my using "List of RHPs in " has been a useful shortcut in building the NRHP dab system. doncram (talk) 17:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
But, i checked the link List of RHPs in TN which was what u changed in Clarksville Historic District article. That was just a redirect to the final target "National Register of Historic Places listings in Tennessee", and is not a double redirect. So, what is triggering your Wikipedia cleaner to flag these? doncram (talk) 17:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
What I meant to say and what I should have done is exactly what you did. Instead of not piping the link, I should just have piped the link to the current page name, instead of just replacing it with the current page name, since it makes much more sense in the wording of the phrase & definition. My apologies for not doing that! BTW, the link for the cleaner is: WP:CLEANER. It's a good tool, but sometimes the humans using it may not make the "right call" the first time, but things can be repaired! --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I don't mind ur replacing "List of RHPs in __" with "National Register of Historic Places listings in __" anywhere. However, I still don't see what is the problem with using the short version. If i understood how it is a problem, I would perhaps make a bot request to implement the change in 1500+ articles (maybe 15,000 usages of "List of RHPs in "). Also, i just installed the wikipedia cleaner and find it hard to use, hard to decipher what it is highlighting in red, when i look at some other articles. Anyhow, if u find other problems in NRHP entries, please let me know as I am currently the main developer and maintainer of NRHP-related disambiguation. Thanks. doncram (talk) 19:49, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi-It's not a critical problem, but when cleaning disambig pages w/links (WP:DPL), you might as well clean up the whole page. You'll get used to the WikiCleaner, also a few other engines, like AWB are listed at the disambig pg/links, if you want to try out several. If you can't figure out which page it should actually direct to (like trying to disambiguate all the Kings of England), just right-click and put "mark as needing help", then it'll go into a maint. cat., and maybe someone else can update it then. Sometimes, the right link isn't even on the disambig pages, so you have to edit the disambig page to include the additional page that it should direct to. Happy editing! --Funandtrvl (talk) 20:06, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

You might want to read WP:R2D. --NE2 20:31, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Category:Top-importance Chicago articles

For the rest of this month we are looking for more candidates to be promoted to Category:Top-importance Chicago articles. We are hoping to bring the list of category members to a total of 50. Either you have participated in past votes and discussions or you have recently signed up to be a part of WP:CHICAGO. In either case, please come visit Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chicago/Assessment where we are determining who to add to the September 1st ballot. Some candidate debates have lingered, but there are many new ones from the project's top 50 according to the Wikipedia:Release Version 0.7. Help us determine which pages to add to the ballot.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Funadtrv, the correction I made was exactly that, a correction. Chicago is "The Second City" because the fire burned down the original city, save the water tower, and few other edifices not made from wood. It is not because they are "second" to New York, etc. That is a common misconception like the windy city referring to the climate. Anyone from Chicago knows this, you should change the page back, as my version was correct, and it looks silly because it is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:36, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


I have replied on my talk page. Also, if you have any friends/editors that may be interested in helping, please forward that e-mail along! Thanks again for all your work on wikipedia! ---kilbad (talk) 20:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Rough draft

I have put together a page outlining the Bolognia project at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine/Dermatology_task_force/Missing_articles#Bolognia_push_2009.21. How does that look? ---kilbad (talk) 15:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


I feel the articles for several SSRI's suffer from a negative POV which discourages their use, despite wide acceptance in the medical field and by the FDA. Can you help correct these issues? Thanks. Neurofish (talk) 14:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Neurofish

WP:CHICAGO voting for Top-importance Chicago articles

Feel free to come vote at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chicago/Assessment#Current_Top-importance_Candidates for our next Category:Top-importance Chicago articles. Voting continues until September 10 and nominations/discussions are ongoing for future ballot candidates at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chicago/Assessment.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Iowa archaeology

Hi Funandtrvl- What specific problems did you have with Iowa archaeology? There is a sloppy autogenerated citation (done by someone else) that I am trying to eradicate, but other than that, what do you feel is wrong with the article that it warrants a Wikify tag? Bill Whittaker (talk) 17:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism on my userpage

Thank you for reverting that. I guess the IP took umbrage at my warning for vandalism. Regards -- Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 07:09, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Good Faith

You should really be more willing to extend good faith to others and not be so rash about making vandalism accusations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

The warning was uw-error2, not uw-vandalism2, and I have since changed it to uw-controversial2. --Funandtrvl (talk) 01:23, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Lex HS

Thanks for "adopting" Lexington High School (Lexington, South Carolina) and doing a thorough cleanup. It's appreciated, I don't know how I ended up with cross-continent schools anyhow :-) tedder (talk) 03:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

when did you attend ND? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pavtron (talkcontribs) 20:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

ND Class of 1980 (BA); Loyola 1982 (MBA). --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:37, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Template:Oceania topic

I note this edit to Template:Culture of Oceania which changed Dance of Kiribati to Dance in Kiribati. Evidently User:Neelix moved the page, so you followed up by updating the Culture of Oceania template.

Unfortunately, Template:Oceania topic relies on the ' "Topic" of "X" ' naming topology to function. In other words, for that template to work on a page, the page must not be named, for example, "Dance in Kiribati," but instead "Dance of Kiribati". It does not satisfy the template to employ it thus: [[Template:Oceania topic|Dance in]]. Take a look, everywhere the template has been deployed (on the "Dance in" pages), there are almost all red links.

I am cross-posting this to User talk:Neelix to point this out to him as well. If editors are intent on propagating this naming topology change throughout Oceania-related articles, some homework needs to be addressed first. Thank you!  –Newportm (talkcontribs) 23:45, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

page blanking

Hi Funandtrvl, I hope you don't mind, but I've taken the liberty of removing a warning you put on User talk:XTXavierTorres a week ago for blanking a page. We allow editors to blank articles that they have written as a sign that they want them deleted. - If you see something similar again as long as the page blanker is the author of the article then tagging the blank article with {{db-author}} will get it deleted. Cheers and happy editing! ϢereSpielChequers 21:39, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Ice House

Yea, that was ambiguous. It was the Ice House in Vegas, which is actually the Ice House Lounge.[4], [5], [6] Vegaswikian (talk) 20:47, 24 September 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for correcting my mistakes. Hope you find time to answer my questions. Pknkly (talk) 23:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC) Pknkly (talk) 23:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

No problem! --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the answers. Very beneficial. Pknkly (talk) 07:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome and if you need any help, please let us know! --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Collaboration on Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/Categories

Oh my heavens! Your expertise is very much needed! I was just working on getting your information from yesterday into the article. Please go to the talk page and we can pick up the discussion there. I included a section on collaborative guidelines for your review, critical comments, and suggestions. In addition, I moved your suggestions within sections for further discussion. Thank you again. Pknkly (talk) 17:33, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Tourism cities

Hi, during my edits, I located the source of Euromonitor's most visited cities for 2006 to Madrid because on the "year/notes" it said was based on 2006 external study estimation; however you have since updated and changed the source and year for Madrid. But the reminder of the external study estimation data on the chart used Euromonitor's most visited cities for 2007's information, thus, they shouldn't be referencing the 2006 version, because none of the international visitors information matches with the 2006 version.--DerechoReguerraz (talk) 03:07, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Fixing links to redirects

Hi, I notice that you recently made a change to continuity. The description of the change was "WikiCleaner 0.96 - Repairing link to disambiguation page - You can help!", but in fact it changed links to redirect pages, not disambig pages. I just wanted to point out that, unlike links to disambiguation pages, links to redirects should not be "fixed" unless there is some other reason; see WP:Redirect#NOTBROKEN. For example, this is my interpretation of the advice from that page applied to your changes:

  • [[electrical circuit]] to [[electrical network|electrical circuit]]
    • As pointed out on that guideline page, changes like this should almost never be made. Indeed if a link like this is found, making the reverse change could be considered a "fix".
  • [[Graph continuity]] to [[Graph continuous function]]
    • This type of change should only be made if the new title is genuinely preferable in context (this is like the "Franklin Roosevelt" example on that guidline page). Since the title of the page you were editing is "continuity", I think "Graph continuity" is a better title in this context.
  • [[Lévy continuity theorem]] to [[Lévy's continuity theorem]]
  • [[Continuity of operations]] to [[Continuity of Operations Plan]]
    • On the other hand these seem to be reasonable changes, because neither title seems preferable in this context, so I would have thought the most common title would be best (which hopefully matches the main article title). However the improvement is smaller than the cost to the other two links.

I went to the trouble of pointing it out on your user page since I noticed you used a bot to make the change so I thought it best to point this out before you did it too often elsewhere. Do you know if others using that bot are likely to do something similar? If so we should update the bot's documentation prominently warn against it.

By the way, even if your change for graph continuity had been correct, I don't think you should have made the change without being prepared to update the surrounding text (which no longer made grammatical sense with the new link). I notice you're working on some kind of wikiproject where pages are removed from a list as they are "finished". I haven't looked at any of your other changes, so maybe this is a freak exception, but I would suggest that if you often make (correct) changes to links but leave the text in a state that it doesn't make sense, then you have done more harm than good, especially if the page is then removed from the list. If that's the case then I'm not suggesting that you stop your good work, but perhaps do fewer changes more carefully. Quietbritishjim (talk) 23:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


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Hello, Funandtrvl. You have new messages at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chicago/Categories.
Message added 04:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Would you please review and pick up the discussion about the categorization scheme section? I also created the subpage for content categories - please see my latest comment under the readability section. Thanks. Pknkly (talk) 04:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC) Pknkly (talk) 04:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)


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Please stop piping links on disambiguation pages

Please stop making edits like this one where you turn links on disambiguation pages from redirects to piped links. I do not know why you always use the edit summary "Repairing link to disambiguation page" because that is explicitly not what you are doing. But links for entries on disambiguation pages are not supposed to be piped, per the Manual of Style. You are not helping when you do this. Propaniac (talk) 13:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean by "the purpose was to show the actual link, not the redirect page." The point of piping is that you're not showing the actual link. As the guideline you linked to, WP:PIPING, says, "Subject to certain exceptions as listed below, piping or redirects should not be used in disambiguation pages. This is to make it clear to the reader which article is being suggested, so that the reader remains in control of the choice of article." None of the exceptions for when piping should/may be used are applicable to this case.
If you believe that the link should be changed to the redirect's target article, instead of to the redirect, the solution is not to pipe the link so that it displays the redirect while linking to the redirect target. The solution is to change both the link, and the displayed text, accordingly (as I've done with the Stone (Chinese mass) listing). However, in this case, that would not be appropriate because the titles of the first two redirect targets in question are not topics likely to be referred to as "Stone" (which is a problem with those two entries/redirects, that I'm going to look at and try to resolve now).
Also, since you didn't mention it in your response, I will ask again that you stop using the same misleading edit summary for this type of edit. Propaniac (talk) 16:36, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I still don't understand what you're talking about (what you meant to say was what I said, but what I said was that you're doing the entirely wrong thing, so you meant to say that you were doing the entirely wrong thing?) but whatever. All I was "accusing" you of was not understanding how a dab page works and that it's formatted differently from a disambiguation page.
So you were planning to go back to the page at some indeterminate future point to correct the places where you knew you had messed it up while using your WikiCleaner tool? Maybe that's true, maybe it's not, but I think it should be pretty obvious why I don't have a great deal of faith that it was going to happen.
I've never used this tool and I have no idea how it works. But the edit summary is clearly, objectively misleading, whether or not it's intentional. It says that one kind of edit is being made, when a different kind of edit is taking place. Since you said that you're unable to change it, I have opened a discussion at User talk:NicoV/Wikipedia Cleaner/Documentation#Inaccurate edit summary to ask if a change can be made to the tool. Propaniac (talk) 13:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


Actually, I had only meant to revert one edit since my previous, not all of them. Sorry about that. Lambertman (talk) 00:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your recent changes!

Thanks for your recent edits!! - You placed one brick in the sum of all human knowledge, and that deserves recognition. (talk) 02:10, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Cannabis

Thanks for your contributions to WikiProject Cannabis! Feel free to stop by and help any time. --Another Believer (Talk) 00:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Category:Townships in Illinois

Are townships in Illinois really municipalities? My impression was that they were (like townships in most other states) just administrative subdivisions of counties. postdlf (talk) 19:44, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

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WikiCleaner result

Regarding your recent changes on Orthogonal frequency-division multiplexing, I am not happy with the result of the WikiCleaner. First, I am not sure if it is such a good idea to adapt the capitalization of link words to those of the subject, as the initial-letter capitalization is intended to point out acronyms (e.g., Personal Area Network = PAN), wikipedia articles are not consequent in using all- or only first-word initial-letter capitalization, and last but not least wikipedia does not allow you to choose lower capitalization for the initial letter of the subject. Second, the article I am referring to was obviously written by somebody preferring English spelling, so the correction of e.g. analogue to analog was not appropriate. Please provide feedback on this. Thanks, Nageh (talk) 13:02, 18 November 2009 (UTC).

Thanks for going through the article. I have resolved the remaining disambiguations (quadrature-mixed -> Quadrature phase, threshold -> threshold (not a technical term in the context)). Cheers, Nageh (talk) 13:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


That is weird, it works on the documentation for the template and on the cheeses taskforce categories. The funny part is that I did not touch that section, only the link for the project/taskforces. --Jeremy (blah blahI did it!) 03:00, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The reason you don't see it is because it is a link to that page, thus the link appears black. --Jeremy (blah blahI did it!) 03:36, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I didn't do anything to it because there was nothing wrong with it, see above.

Bypassing redirects

You've been warned about this before. Stop bypassing redirects or you will be blocked. --NE2 14:46, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's quite a threat. If there is a disagreement, please offer specific examples to discuss reasonably. Thank you. --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
You know exactly what sort of edit I'm talking about. --NE2 17:17, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
No, I don't. --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
If you don't understand what "WikiCleaner" does, you shouldn't be using it. --NE2 17:23, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
That's not what I was refering to, and by the way doesn't "popups" do the same thing as WikiCleaner? --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't know what you're getting at, but stop bypassing redirects or I'm telling Mommy. --NE2 17:28, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Now that's funny. Sorry I don't agree with some of your editing changes, but what I'm trying to say is that I'm offended at your "blanket" directive to stop bypassing all redirects and your "threat" of blocking. Obviously, I don't agree with your opinions, that is why I am suggesting that if you don't like a specific edit, to please bring it to my attention, so we can discuss it reasonably. --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I've given you such an edit above. If you've read WP:R2D and don't understand why that edit was bad, you shouldn't be using "WikiCleaner". --NE2 17:43, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Needless to say, I've read R2D and your edit above, and I find your comment(s) very insulting and in a nasty "attack" vein. --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:51, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
So will you stop using "WikiCleaner" to bypass redirects? --NE2 17:53, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Your edit summary is erroneous, since you aren't fixing links to disambiguation pages, you are bypassing redirects contrary to WP:R2D. You may want to review this thread about the same. –xenotalk 17:54, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
No, you are incorrect, I did indeed fix a link to a disambiguation page in that edit. --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:00, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I told Mommy: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Funandtrvl using "WikiCleaner" to bypass redirects --NE2 18:11, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


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I couldn't help noticing your recent categorizing spree on DuPage County-related articles, so I now award you the Categorization Barnstar. Keep up the good work! Benny the mascot (talk) 00:58, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much and Merry Christmas! --Funandtrvl (talk) 01:00, 25 December 2009 (UTC)


I noticed you changed the pictures on the Tourism page to partially match the lists however, in doing so, you also eliminated some of the diversity of the images (which already was not much). Since the page is an all-encompasing page of "Tourism", I think it is better to have at least a couple interesting sites from each continent/region of the world. I had added two African images and the Samarkand image to the page in order to diversify it, but your edits had eliminated them from the sidebar. You did place them in the bottom "Gallery", but it still doesn't seem like too much to allow 2 African destinations in that large line of images. Otherwise, the "Tourism" page becomes a European attraction showcase with a smattering of Asia. It seems rather boring and makes the page appear Eurocentric, when the article is in fact not about Europe.

I see the reasoning behind trying to use destinations from the lists, but since the article is about tourism worldwide, I think it's nice to let the pictures also show this. If you disagree or think you have a better way of showcasing diversity, feel free to message me. Puchiwonga (talk) 00:08, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

That may not be a bad idea. The site does have many articles like Tourism in Germany, Tourism in Japan, etc. Having a link that directs people to these could be useful. Puchiwonga (talk) 05:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


I see so few other eds ever considering to even tag a category talk page - pleased to meet you - I noticed that the South east asia cats that you removed the NA part of the SEA cats - does that mean you know of some good bots to help the task - or are simply tidying up to make sure all cat talk pages have the default? I am currently tagging the death project with a default tag - would be interested to hear your line on the issue. (some projects insist for the purpose of their bots to have what you have removed) - cheers SatuSuro 23:32, 28 December 2009 (UTC) Just what I thought - I think the project that I am thinking of has an idiosyncratic bot set up - so that would explain it - hey there are so few cat taggers - well done - and keep up the good work! Have a safe new year - and thanks for your response - and hey arent there so many cat pages untagged out there!!!! SatuSuro 23:42, 28 December 2009 (UTC) Cripes - what a slip - Oh hell - sorry I just noticed I re-inserted SEA at srijivaya without talking first - I did not mean to have a diff with you over that - but one of the probs we have in the sea project at times is the overlap issue between various states - srivijaya's supposed/alleged territory goes well beyond the boundaries of current Indonesia - into parts of other current nations - hope you dont mind my reinserstion without talking first - oops - that was plain odd as I had done the edit first and then saw in the hist that you had removed it. I hope you understand :( SatuSuro 23:56, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem, my intentions were to clean out SE Asia and re-tag articles w/ their specific countries, but when there is overlap and I didn't realize it, thanks for informing me! --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Also thanks for identifying - I am in a quandary about that one - the Indonesian project gets some amazingly odd lists - but that is one I will have to ponder - prod, expand or forget :( SatuSuro 00:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, and I've actually seen worse, if you can believe it! --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:07, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
I bet we could write a good article for signpost about the oddities we have seen ;) - SatuSuro 00:12, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Also I cannot get over how many milhist tags I have had to add - interesting they havent got a bot or something together at some stage SatuSuro 00:13, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

re: changing out categories at Illinois High School Association

Hiya Funandtrvl!

I was wondering if you could explain why you are adding this category, and removing the other category. From where I am sitting this does not appear to make sense. The IHSA is not a conference or league, and only has relations with them in one sport they they oversee (football). On the other hand, the IHSA in many ways, is the central organization to high school sports in the state of Illinois. Am I missing something here? Could you set me straight? Happy new year! LonelyBeacon (talk) 00:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, I created a category for it. --Funandtrvl (talk) 01:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

January 2010

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Sorry, my mistake, and it was not my intention to "vandalize" the page. I was confused about the talk page because it is assessed as a stub, and actually it is a redirect page, so I thought it was a leftover (i.e. not needing a tag) WikiProject tagged page, since many projects don't tag their redirect pages. What is story behind the page being assessed as a stub when it's a redirect? --Funandtrvl (talk) 04:18, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification and for pointing out the error on the assessment, which I have fixed. Sorry for mistaking you for what you're not!!! Babakathy (talk) 10:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Portal:Uttar Pradesh

Thanks for your guidance & help. I'll take care of rest of the pages. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 08:28, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Dinosaur archiving

Hello, Funandtrvl;

I noticed that you set up automatic archiving at Talk:Dinosaur. Thank you very much! J. Spencer (talk) 03:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Category replacement

Is it possible to configure HotCat to keep the location of the categories you are replacing in the same place in the list of cats instead of putting them at the end of the category list and leaving a "hole" as in this edit [7] ? Tewapack (talk) 01:50, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Not that I know of, best to contact the script author, maybe they can work it in. --Funandtrvl (talk) 01:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Your note

Basically, if you have something to say to an established editor, do so. But if you do, please take a look at WP:DTTR. That's bad form and not something that we do on here. For the record, that template does not apply. No maintenance templates (which is what that refers to) nor content that was meaningful was deleted. Sorry your citation got caught up in reverting a mess, but that happens. There is no valid reason to plaster a warning template on my talk page. Wildhartlivie (talk) 00:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I was not trying to be rude, but I was not happy when my updates to the "Further reading" section got deleted, and that you did not use the "edit summary" to explain your actions, which for an experienced or new editor, should be used. --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:53, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi, Yes, you did do many careful edits, and that mostly escaped my notice, sorry. The template issue is a tricky one because it is hard to see things in different formats. I had tried to keep the image at the top because it telegraphed the main message, but if it throws the format off, it should move .... so the template should be on top as you had it. Thanks for your help. History2007 (talk) 04:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Delta Faucet Company

Hi, I noticed you removed the category "manufacturing companies of the United States" on the article for delta faucet without explanation; as Delta Faucet manufactures faucets in the US and seems comparable with other companies in that category, I'd like to restore that categorization. Any comments before I do? ejly (talk) 18:15, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


Several weeks ago, you expressed support for removing visa-free articles from passport pages. This discussion has been continuing from that point on, on Talk:Passport, and eventually only between three users. Several days ago, Ozguroot (talk · contribs), a suspected sockpuppet, canvassed 15 users, all who have expressed a negative viewpoint, to come to the discussion and utterly overwhelm a budding and tenuously reached compromise, which users are now beginning to renege on. This is the second time he has canvassed users to the dispute. Prior to the canvassing incident, I requested mediation at Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2010-02-04/Passport, with no response. I have reported Ozguroot's canvassing at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Ozguroot_canvassing_again, again with no response. I am utterly disheartened by the community apathy, it seems our dislike for the "dramafest at ANI" has become a disdain for dispute resolution of any kind, an apathy for processes of justice. To make sure the weeks' worth of discussion at Talk:Passport aren't undermined by an egomaniacal nationalist, a sockpuppet, and their canvassed hordes, and in light of the utter apathy I have received from the community, I am notifying all editors who expressed support for the proposal. I am aware of the tenuous ledge on which I am pirouetting, but in the absence of better advice (as sought at ANI), I am sure you will agree it is only fair to attempt to balance the canvassed users who expressed a negative viewpoint. Your participation is required - not to be melodramatic, but to quote Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". —what a crazy random happenstance 14:15, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Problem with my sandbox

I presume that I caused some problem with my sandbox [[8]], by copying the entire AMR 191 page, so that I could work on it, without screwing up the article itself.

For the sake of my own education, should I remove the categories, from any article page, that I put into my sandbox, while working on improving the article? Thanks for any advice you can provide. EditorASC (talk) 20:29, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Any Advice

I'm a new Wikipedian looking for advice. I'm pursuing a delicate issue and wonder if you could go into my talk page and see if I'm making mistakes. Any advice how (or if) I should pursue this. Thanks. Slightsmile (talk) 21:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)Slightsmile

AfD nomination of Centre stick vs side-stick

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Illinois Transport Categories

Just so you know, the six categories I made (Category:Transportation in Cook County, Illinois, Category:Transportation in DuPage County, Illinois, Category:Transportation in Kane County, Illinois, Category:Transportation in Lake County, Illinois, Category:Transportation in McHenry County, Illinois, and Category:Transportation in Will County, Illinois) are for roads too. So if you see a road that goes through any of those counties, be sure to add them too. ----DanTD (talk) 19:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Bridges? You bet. Throw 'em in. ----DanTD (talk) 19:30, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I think this is a better fix

Hi Funandtrvl

I have reverted your edits to the two Indian articles which were causing malformed citation-neeed categories to be populated [9] [10].

It seemed to me that a better solution was to fix the template, so that it did not break the {{citation needed}} tags. Details at Template talk:Infobox Indian jurisdiction#Formatnum_removed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:24, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Template:Lake County, Illinois

Standard practice with county templates is not to include neighborhoods of municipalities, even if (such as in this case) the neighborhood was formerly a separate community. Nyttend (talk) 00:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

That's done with all Illinois templates, as well as those for other states: for example, see {{Cook County, Illinois}}. Neighborhoods are neither municipalities nor unincorporated communities. Nyttend (talk) 04:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
For the purposes of county templates, it's a neighborhood — it's an area within a municipality. We only include communities if they're incorporated or if they're located in unincorporated areas. Nyttend (talk) 05:05, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
No denying that it's a populated place; however, neighborhoods of municipalities are also recorded as populated places. See the GNIS entry for Lilydale, Chicago for an example. Nyttend (talk) 05:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Earthquakes and such

I thought this blogpost might interest you. Cheers.--Milowent (talk) 16:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Please don't "fix" pages carelessly

Hi Funandtrvl, I posted on your user page before about updating redirects in disambiguation pages, previously about an edit to continuity. I want to make similar points again, this time prompted by your change to Positive:

  • update surrounding text: for instance "Positive operator, ... a bounded linear operator ..." was changed to "Positive element, ... a bounded linear operator..." which is incorrect (an element of a C*-algebra is a more general concept than a bounded operator) and impossible to understand (it doesn't say what "element" is being referred to; here it's an element of a C*-algebra!). All three times you removed "positive" entirely from the link title, you didn't compensate by saying in their description the relation to postivity. The surrounding text of positive formula to positive set theory also became incorrect.
  • redirects are fine *into* more general pages: for instance Positive test was changed to diagnostic test, but this is a slightly different concept; a redirect is explicitly allowed in disambiguation page when it redirects to a more general page. This is also true of Positive number -> Negative and non-negative numbers and Positive formula -> Positive set theory
  • redirects are better than masking a page title with piping: here the change I disagree with is [[Converging lens]] -> [[Lens (optics)|Converging lens]]
  • use common sense: At the end of the day, do you really need a rule book to tell you that the change Positive number -> Negative and non-negative numbers is a terrible idea for the page Positive? Surely it's self-evident? The same applies to all the cases you found article titles with no mention of the word positive (even if you had updated the surrounding text).

I know your edits are in good faith, but in this case the article would have been much better off if you hadn't touched it; every change was destructive! (The exception is Positive freedom to Positive liberty, which seems completely neutral to me.) Only slighly destructive I'll admit, but because few people maintain disambiguation pages they're likely to sit around for months, confusing people that pass by them. Besides, why take the time to make these changes if they're all negative? Quietbritishjim (talk) 02:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

A big part of the problem here are confusing guidelines in WP:DABMOS, especially the phrase "Subject to certain exceptions ... redirects should not be used in disambiguation pages" (although I maintain what I said above about WP:COMMON). I've started a discussion to clarify them that you may wish to participate in. (You pointed me at this last time I posted on your user page and I never replied. I'm aorry about that, but getting consensus for a change list this takes some time and effort, and I just never got round to it.) Quietbritishjim (talk) 11:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

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Hello, you are of Polish Ancestry? cool , please help me that the Polish AMerican Category will exist —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Chicago Meetup and update

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Imperial units at Rhine article (geobox2)

Hello. In (Februari 10, 2009) you updated the geobox template for the Rhine article. At that point you changed the units used to imperial ones instead of metric. Why did you do that? (talk) 11:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, I'll work on updating the infobox. --Funandtrvl (talk) 14:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC)