**[[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]]: Do we have sources that connect all of these as one event? If so, we definitely need to change the article, as the sources I have found (and thus the article) are all focused on North America. [[User:Sven Manguard|<font color="207004"><big>'''S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><font color="F0A804">'''Wha?'''</font></small>]] 17:54, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
**[[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]]: Do we have sources that connect all of these as one event? If so, we definitely need to change the article, as the sources I have found (and thus the article) are all focused on North America. [[User:Sven Manguard|<font color="207004"><big>'''S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><font color="F0A804">'''Wha?'''</font></small>]] 17:54, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
***The contrast between the cold north and warm south in NA has apparently caused the polar jet stream to go faster, leading to windiness in Europe. I've heard that on the news a few times - I don't imagine it would be hard to source. As to whether it is fascinating enough for tthe blurb or whether the story should be posted at all - less sure. [[User:FormerIP|Formerip]] ([[User talk:FormerIP|talk]]) 23:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
***The contrast between the cold north and warm south in NA has apparently caused the polar jet stream to go faster, leading to windiness in Europe. I've heard that on the news a few times - I don't imagine it would be hard to source. As to whether it is fascinating enough for tthe blurb or whether the story should be posted at all - less sure. [[User:FormerIP|Formerip]] ([[User talk:FormerIP|talk]]) 23:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
****That's my understanding of it, though the only time I've actually heard it explicitly said was in a Radio 4 weather segment - a bit hard to reference. Online RS seem a bit few and far between - try [[http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/01/06/260269760/foul-weather-in-britain-linked-to-u-s-polar-vortex|this]].
::::I fully agree that the US/Canada situation is the bigger story here, but the disruption in some parts of Europe has been quite severe, a long way beyond the snarky 'few flooded homes' by rivers and the sea. There are villages completely cut off by road and rail in Somerset, large parts of Gloucestershire under water, evacuations from many parts of the West Country and Welsh coast, 25ft waves hitting buildings, extensive property damage and nine very confused-looking sheep I saw on the way to work this morning, wondering where their field had gone. This wouldn't make a separate story for ITN, to my mind, but I don't think the very extreme cold in NA stops us mentioning the hemispheric effects as well. [[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]] ([[User talk:GoldenRing|talk]]) 13:04, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is unusually extreme, definitely in the news, and probably got quite a high amount of page views at the moment. [[User:CaptRik|CaptRik]] ([[User talk:CaptRik|talk]]) 22:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is unusually extreme, definitely in the news, and probably got quite a high amount of page views at the moment. [[User:CaptRik|CaptRik]] ([[User talk:CaptRik|talk]]) 22:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
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*'''Moot''': we [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/December_2013#.5BPosted.5D_The_Ashes|already posted the story on 20 December]], after the third test. No reason to post it again just because we now know the final scoreline. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
*'''Moot''': we [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/December_2013#.5BPosted.5D_The_Ashes|already posted the story on 20 December]], after the third test. No reason to post it again just because we now know the final scoreline. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
*'''Again''' support [[England cricket team]] for the recent deaths blurb. And a shiny new donkey for whoever brings me the head of [[Mitchell Johnson (cricketer)|Mitchell Johnson]]... '''[[User:Lugnuts|<font color="002bb8">Lugnuts</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 18:41, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
*'''Again''' support [[England cricket team]] for the recent deaths blurb. And a shiny new donkey for whoever brings me the head of [[Mitchell Johnson (cricketer)|Mitchell Johnson]]... '''[[User:Lugnuts|<font color="002bb8">Lugnuts</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 18:41, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
::LOL glad you enjoyed the series [[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]] ([[User talk:GoldenRing|talk]]) 13:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Modest Genius, no reason to post twice. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Modest Genius, no reason to post twice. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I posted this previously after the 3rd test. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 20:11, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I posted this previously after the 3rd test. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 20:11, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
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Support - Well, to be honest my first reaction was he was still alive?. But yes, very influential individual in the growth of the Singaporean/Malaysian and HK film industries. The Shaw brothers helped Malaysian cinema grow to rival that of the Indies in size. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support, I read the article, having never heard of him, and it's really good. He has won numerous significant awards and also established a prize. CaptRik (talk) 12:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
American-born Colleen LaRose, who calls herself Jihad Jane, is sentenced to 10 years in prison for a failed al Qaeda-linked plot to kill Swedish artist Lars Vilks who had depicted the head of the Muslim Prophet Mohammad on a dog. (BBC News)
Support though I've suggested an alternative blurb that mentions some of the wider effects. Does anyone know if the same phenomenon is causing extreme weather in Russia? GoldenRing (talk) 17:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
GoldenRing: Do we have sources that connect all of these as one event? If so, we definitely need to change the article, as the sources I have found (and thus the article) are all focused on North America. Sven ManguardWha?17:54, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The contrast between the cold north and warm south in NA has apparently caused the polar jet stream to go faster, leading to windiness in Europe. I've heard that on the news a few times - I don't imagine it would be hard to source. As to whether it is fascinating enough for tthe blurb or whether the story should be posted at all - less sure. Formerip (talk) 23:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is unusually extreme, definitely in the news, and probably got quite a high amount of page views at the moment. CaptRik (talk) 22:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose any mention of Europe - The European & NA weather events are not being treated as a correlating event here, even if it technically is. While the weather in Europe is bad, it's not ITN-worthy, and as usual in the UK we have the news making a big deal over a few flooded homes (always by rivers and the sea) and people acting foolish around fast flowing water. As for the NA side of things - Neutral - I could of sworn other record-breaking weather events have not been posted, correct me if I'm wrong on this. In the grand scheme of things, the weather in North America is not really a major, mass-causality causing catastrophe. --Somchai Sun (talk) 23:26, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and pull cold weather in winter is of no notability; there's not even a major storm associated with this stub. We usually have at least four supports before we post an article so quickly. It's not like the death of the King of England that it needs posting with barely 6 hours of comment. μηδείς (talk) 01:26, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support, pull OK. I would agree there was not enough support to post this(and don't object to pulling it), but the coldest weather in decades, if not ever, for most of the affected area is clearly notable as it has disrupted air travel across North America, closed schools, and is life-threatening in many places. News coverage is widespread and not limited to the US. 331dot (talk) 01:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The coldest weather in decades happens in various places every year, but we don't post them all. I'm not necessarily saying pull, but that that doesn't seem like a very strong rationale. Formerip (talk) 02:10, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, clearly this is an unusual weather event, with records being broken. But the article is far too short, and does not fully explain the causes and extent of the event. Perhaps a map would help. Abductive (reasoning) 01:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think blurb needs to say Canada and US instead of North America. I dont know why but the way its written it sounds weird as 2 specific countries are affected and not the entire North America. Proposed blurb was factually correct -- Ashish-g5504:41, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Let's compare this to Typhoon Haiyan which killed well over 6,000 but took us days to post even after it had more casualties than this low. I am sure this is a huge matter to people who will be warming up their cars in a few hours (I am expecting a low of 0 F when I walk out the door on the 7th), but the article is a stub, the occurrence is a regular one, and the local bias is obvious to the point of blindingness. μηδείς (talk) 05:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking to my own motivations for posting this, according to the sources I've read, this isn't just cold, it's once-in-twenty-years cold. I'm also not at all active in this area, so I had no idea if this was going to stick or not. It was, however, in the news, including international news, so I figured I'd give it a shot. Sven ManguardWha?06:03, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A sniper kills a man and six people are wounded in clashes between districts in Tripoli, Lebanon, that support rival sides in neighboring Syria's civil war. (Reuters)
A small jet carrying three Mexican men from Toluca crashes while trying to land at the Aspen–Pitkin County Airport in the U.S. state of Colorado, killing the co-pilot, seriously injuring the pilot and slightly injuring the passenger. (CBC)
Support if we didn't also post it after the third test - I remember a discussion but not what the outcome was. Of course, I'd like to see a blurb that included the words 'crushing' and 'whitewash' but we can't have everything... GoldenRing (talk) 17:23, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Yes, we did post that Australia had regained The Ashes after the 3rd Test, but this final result after five Tests is a newsworthy one. A five-nil result is rare, and was completely unexpected in this case. A new posting is appropriate. HiLo48 (talk) 22:19, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Modest Genius. Though truth be told I think we erred in doing the Dec 20th posting and probably should have just waited till the conclusion. AgneCheese/Wine23:21, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Modest Genius. Should probably have been posted now and not then, but it was done and we don't need to do it twice. 331dot (talk) 23:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have a feeling we still have a number of editors commenting here who have no idea how The Ashes work. This is not the same event twice. Nor is it similar to the World Series. There are two distinct newsworthy events here. HiLo48 (talk) 23:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If the newsworthy event is the 5-0 win and not the win itself(why was there a need to play two more rounds if they had already won?), then the blurb should be radically rewritten to state that's the story here. 331dot (talk) 00:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Your bracketed question proves my point. You have no idea how The Ashes work. It's not my job to teach you here. There's plenty of material available here on Wikipedia and elsewhere for you to learn from. But until you do learn, please stop commenting on matters you know almost nothing about. HiLo48 (talk) 00:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Your criticism of my opinion completely dodged my valid point that the blurb does not reflect what you feel the story is here. Whether I understand cricket or not is irrelevant if the blurb does not match the story. I can certainly make a judgement as to the newsworthiness of a story without a total understanding of it; people do that here every day. Until there is a policy prohibiting me from doing so, I will comment on what I see fit. You are free to ignore me or criticize me(as you did). And, by the way, giving a little info to opponents of this or those who you feel don't understand it, to help them understand will only help it get posted, not hurt. 331dot (talk) 01:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
HiLo48, for the Ashes nomination in December you wrote "This is big news NOW. The final result of the series will definitely be lesser news. It's ITN/R, this is the big news from the series, so it should be posted now." So it was posted. So why are you pushing so hard for another posting, against your prior commentary? Stephen01:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Because of the completely unexpected 5-0 result. Australia lost to England 3-0 just a few months ago in England. (In a five Test series, just to confuse some people!) The media didn't expect this result. The players didn't. I didn't expect this result. Hence my enthusiasm to post this now. had it been anything less than 5-0 in a five Test series, I wouldn't be pushing this. HiLo48 (talk) 01:17, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'd say that by 3-0 we had a pretty good idea that this was an insipid and uninspiring England team, and 5-0 was rather likely. But hindsight is always 20:20. Stephen01:27, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(outdent) I don't think saying "Well you just don't understand The Ashes" counts, especially since it is likely that a fair number of English Wikipedia readers will likely "not understand" and similarly be confused about why we are posting a 2nd blurb from the same cricket event so soon after the first. As Wikipedia:ITN/R#Cricket notes, we usually only feature around 3 blurbs about cricket in an entire year so I think it is fair to question why we are featuring another blurb only 3 weeks after the previous one. AgneCheese/Wine01:36, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. Only three a year? For what's probably the world's second most popular sport? (For those questioning that in their minds, think of India.) Our systemic bias really is a problem, isn't it? HiLo48 (talk) 01:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
On the flip side, you can look at the long list of non-sports related news blurbs that weekly get rejected for various reasons and ask if a systematic bias is at play in that we have upwards of 65-74 slots a year on ITN dedicated to reoccurring sports stories? AgneCheese/Wine01:56, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(to HiLo) You bring up systemic bias but also say it is "not your job" to educate people which might help to blunt it. You want to be an anti-systemic bias warrior, then be one and help people. 331dot (talk) 02:02, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I do get a bit worn out here with non-experts expressing opinions on matters in deep ignorance. How would you feel if Australians kept making dumb comments on the World Series or Superbowl, insisting they weren't important? I won't dare comment on the Superbowl. I might comment on the World Series, because I'm one of those rare Australian who knows a fair bit about baseball. (Want me to explain the infield fly rule?) HiLo48 (talk) 02:11, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Questions. Does a new engine make this a new rocket? It would be ITNR if it does- it would also be ITNR if the fact this is an Indian built engine makes it an 'indigenous orbital launch'(if it's their first one). 331dot (talk) 16:23, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A previous launch of the rocket used, the GSLV Mk.II, occurred in April 2010. On that flight the new engine failed to ignite. India's first indigenous orbital launch occurred in 1980 - Sunday's is their forty-first. --W.D.Graham16:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm a little ambivalent about this one. It's been a slow month for news so far and this is quite a significant achievement for India, however sixth country isn't the same as first country - cryogenic propulsion is nothing new - and India has had launch capability (albeit using solid and non-cryogenic liquid propellant) for years. Neutral on posting, but if it is posted I'd suggest making CE-7.5 the main article rather than GSLV. --W.D.Graham16:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Capture of a city of 300,000 people just 40 miles away from Baghdad is significant, isn't it? I also love the irony of Fox reporting it! Quite a success for neo-cons. --Երևանցիtalk17:08, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support In itself, the capture of a city of 300,000 would always be notable. The symbolic value of Fallujah wrt the Iraq war just makes it all the more notable. Thue (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Alt-Blurb the shorter name of "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" is Al Qaeda in Iraq. This is the relevant fact being universally reported. We shouldn't obscure facts in the name of accuracy. μηδείς (talk) 19:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure this is actually correct. Al Qaeda in Iraq is one of a number of groups that merged to form ISIL. So it's not really accurate. A bit like calling Time Warner "Warner Brothers". Formerip (talk) 19:22, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is our article that says this is AQiI. In any case, my blurb says AQ-affiliated, and that is being universally reported. μηδείς (talk) 19:40, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Important story of international interest. As Thue points out, Fallujah has major symbollic value. Linked article reasonably well developed. Jusdafax23:13, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Election boycotted by opposition parties, election day violence killed 19 people. Ruling party wins 127 seats as unopposed. Waiting for official results. --Gfosankar (talk) 15:08, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Elections were boycotted not only by Bangladesh Nationalist Party but also 20 other parties. Official result is Awami league won more than 2/3 majority. --Gfosankar (talk) 12:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb Among the all-time greats of the game, but the threshold for obituary blurbs is very high. I would say that very few sportspeople would warrant a blurb (Pelé is probably one). Neljack (talk) 10:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD only. My personal criteria for a death blurb is that either (1) the death itself needs to be in the news (i.e. more than just "$person has died, let's look back at their life") (2) the person needs to have been a massively significant person in the history of at least one major country - if they hadn't done what they did the country/world would be a significantly different place (in a British context Margaret Thatcher got a blurb but I probably wouldn't support one for John Major); or (3) the person's death has a significant impact on the news or day to day life of at least one country (e.g. disrupted TV schedules on several major channels, state funeral, multiple days of national mourning, etc). Eusabio doesn't meet those criteria, but he certainly merits a slot on RD. Thryduulf (talk) 10:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Tagging as ready for posting to RD; universal consensus for doing so, article significantly updated with death info and reaction to it. 331dot (talk) 15:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support for RD. Remarkable person worthy of being showcased on our front page, but the circumstances of the death itself were not unusual. —WFC— FL wishlist18:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support for RD I don't like soccer at all. But there are names which I have definitely heard of during my 54-year long existence (or at least the conscious part thereof). One of them is Eusébio. In my country, Bulgaria, he is said to be one of the legends of soccer. The same is heard in many European countries. Xakepxakep (talk) 18:52, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose. ITN is not a sports ticker, and so we are selective about which sports news we post, restricting it (almost) exclusively to the very top level of sports with significant following. Youth competitions are not the highest level of the sport. Thryduulf (talk) 10:39, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As far as I know, there is no precedence for posting junior level games, and the Sochi Olympics are anyway coming up soon. --hydrox (talk) 21:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Grammy Lifetime Achievement, one of the first ten in the Rock & Roll HOF, so on and so forth. Clearly a leader in the field. Teemu08 (talk) 16:15, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support to post (and keep posted) I've seen headlines that say things along the lines of "Rock n roll today would not be the same without his contributions" – Muboshgu (talk) 18:56, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
An 85-year-old man dies during Israeli suppression of a violent riot at Kufr Qaddoum near Nablus; he is the first Palestinian casualty from conflict with Israel in 2014. (The Guardian)
A deep area of low pressure named Anne brings strong winds, high tides and coastal flooding to parts of Western England, Wales, Scotland, France and Ireland. (BBC News)
Armed tribesmen and ISIS militants control the Iraqi cities of Fallujah and Ramadi, after days of violence that erupted as a protest camp was removed. (Al Bawaba)(AFP)
Fisker Automotive in bankruptcy, asks the judge to reject the official creditors' committee's plan for an auction. The proposed auction would be based on an initial $24.725 million bid from the U.S. unit of Wanxiang Group, a major auto parts concern in China. (Reuters)
The Italian navy rescues 233 migrants from an overcrowded boat at risk of sinking in rough waters in the Mediterranean Sea. The boat was spotted about 80 miles south of the Italian island of Lampedusa. (CNN)
The East Coast of the United States braces itself for the first Nor'easter of the season set to bring below normal temperatures and heavy snow in places and prompting the governors of Massachusetts, New York, and New Jersey to declare state emergencies. (NBC)(CNN)
A three-story building, housing apartments and a grocery store, explodes and burns in the Cedar-Riverside neighborhood of Minneapolis, Minnesota, injuring 13 people, some critically. (CNN)
Catholic priest Rev. Eric Freed was found bludgeoned to death in the rectory of his church in Eureka, California. Suspect Gary Lee Bullock was arrested, and had been jailed, hospitalized and released due to erratic behavior just before the killing. Freed was named by the Vatican as one of 22 Catholic priests and religious who were killed during 2013 (Spero News)(Seattle PI)
Nominator's comments: I'm not sure who to put for the updater as it was mixed between a few users and IPs. --Simply south......disorganising disorganisation for just 7 years15:11, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus not to post. --Tone 10:01, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
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Weak oppose. Notable for one role, but I'm having a difficult time considering him as 'very important' in his field- though I am willing to be convinced otherwise. 331dot (talk) 19:05, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose per 331dot, played one notable role, but that's it. No awards, not top of his field by any means at all, just another C-list actor I'm afraid. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:20, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support We've had ethnic-interest nominations before, and I expect there will be a large fan interest. I can support this if there's a good update and space on the ticker. μηδείς (talk) 19:16, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
He is arguably 'important', but the criteria is 'very important' in their field. I'm not seeing recognition of his work (awards, honorary degrees, comments from other actors, etc) or other explanations of why he was very important(such as he created a new method of acting, influenced other actors, etc.) in the article. We don't post things just because they might be popular. 331dot (talk) 20:12, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would say that he did influence his fellow actor Alfonso Riberio, especially given the comments he made that have been reported in the news. That's one for the influencing other actors I'd say. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk)20:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose One big role (didn't know he voiced Shredder until I just read it; interesting but not that important), not influential in his field – Muboshgu (talk) 20:44, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Second largest collection of arms and armor in America and the largest freestanding collection. Also it is possibly the first multi-story steel building in the country. Not sure if it will pass, but worth a shot. --Found5dollar (talk) 18:16, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is only the second largest because the Met in NYC has a collection that is impossibly big. The Higgins was the only museum solely focused on arms and armor in America for over 80 years.--Found5dollar (talk) 19:19, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A major museum closing is just as international as a major election in some countries. Just because something happens in a single country does not make it of no international significance. Objects from the Higgins sold just before the the closure are already appearing in private and public collections around the world.--Found5dollar (talk) 19:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It would be one thing if the museum burned down and the works were lost, but they're just being transferred to another nearby museum. Teemu08 (talk) 19:49, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Colorado becomes first US state to sell cannabis
No consensus to post. --Tone 13:18, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: Important and notable event when any part of the USA allows sale of cannabis. Alt blurb seems clearer, thanks. I think the articles are still in need of updating. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:27, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
WOAH! The Sate of Colorado is selling cannabis? You must mean that it's either legal to sell it or buy it - not that the state is actually selling the stuff. 86.172.46.72 (talk) 17:30, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. I would hesitate to support listing future states which do this (such as Washington state later this year) but I think the first state is somewhat notable, though cannabis is still illegal under federal law. 331dot (talk) 17:52, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How's that even possible? Is this a real legalization, if concurrent laws remain on the federal level that still criminalize the drug? How can the state of Colorado enact laws that are in conflict with the existing federal code? Will a federal court later strike down this law? I understand Obama already said he is not going to enforce federal drug laws for cannabis in these states, but that's different from legalization. --hydrox (talk) 18:18, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Given the position of the Obama administration on enforcement I don't think they will be challenging these state laws- though a future administration could certainly do so(and reverse the current position on enforcement). They still will enforce federal laws on federal lands (such as the many National Parks and Forests in Colorado) so Colorado citizens need to be careful about where they bring their cannabis, though. 331dot (talk) 19:01, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb. Solely on the basis that this is the first US state to do so, one with a population of 5,000,000+, and there will be great reader interest in this in the US. I don't think we should list any more after this. μηδείς (talk) 18:59, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Uruguay has two-thirds the population of Colorado. There will be a heck of a lot more pot tourism in Colorado than Uruguay. "International" doesn't really apply here except to the coverage. This is a notable first, encyclopedic, and will have a long-lasting effect on the US. μηδείς (talk) 19:38, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Martinevans123, what has the UK and Europe got to do with it? Is Uruguay's decision not significant for the whole of South American?
And Medeis, if you're going to apply population criteria to all stories, I look forward to you nominating dozens of stories from India and China. AlexTiefling (talk) 00:57, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WDGraham's very strong argument. We posted Uruguay very recently as the first sovereign country in the world and there is no need to repeat the same with the first US state. I'd even be hesitant to support such nomination when the second country in the world will do the same unless the decision has the potential to develop implications on higher scales. If it were, however, a decision legalising it on the whole territory of the United States or at least in a group of states with more than a half of its total population, then it would have surely had major implications and might have been worth supporting. Unfortunately, it's far from being sufficient for posting in my opinion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:05, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Did I miss something? WDG's very strong argument seems to consist of noting we listed Uruguay last month. Colorado has 50 million domestic tourists alone per year, compared to 1.75 million international tourists a year for Uruguay. I think that speaks for the impact here. μηδείς (talk) 20:20, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if you already use numerical figures to support your point, then Uruguay really has less population than Colorado, but was the first sovereign country in the world of more than 7 billion people. Within the US, Colorado is the first state in barely 4-5% of the world to do the same.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:56, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
oppose, per the arguments above, it is not actually significant that a state of the US legalizes cannabis, if Colorado was a country I would have considered supporting Küñall (talk) 20:27, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There are more than 100 sovereign countries in the world with population greater than the one of the US state Colorado. Liectenstein and Malta are among the worst possible examples to illustrate your point.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:56, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that this is part of the USA. That's it. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:02, 1 January 2014 (UTC) (I was trying to suggest to Küñall that a country isn't necessarily more important just because it's "a country".)[reply]
I meant that it only marks a precedent in a state and not in the whole country (yet). I'd be surprised if marihuana becomes legal in the whole US, but a relatively small state inside a country/nation (like other countries have their provinces, regions, etc.) doing it does not seem relevant to me. Küñall (talk) 23:48, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I can only presume that most of the voters on 10 December were on drugs and thus couldn't be bothered to read the small print. If they had, they would probably have waited until April 2014.
Cheap shots aside, Uruguay has been posted, and for clarity I actually support that (just think it was premature). But where do we draw the line? The first country? The first US State? EU member state? UK constituent country? A de facto independent country? Every territory that is bigger than the previous one? Is anyone above actually aware that cannabis is legal in parts of Iran, as well as in parts of a country bigger than the United States? What about the numerous places, including some in the West, where some or all parts of the process are legal in all but name? Weighing all those questions up, and given the proximity to the Uruguay posting which shouldn't have happened, I think to post this would be seen as unduly indulgent in the goings on of a relatively small part of the US. Had we not made a mistake of prematurely posting three weeks ago, there just might have been enough of a case to justify a post on the grounds that this is the first notable example of legalisation (as opposed to it having been legal/decriminalised/de facto legal for a long time) and that we tend not to cover drugs on ITN. —WFC— FL wishlist22:37, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is getting international coverage (being reported by mainstream news sources in India, Australia, Japan, China, Russia, Germany, Denmark among many others) and is globally relevant as it leads to discussions about whether more states (and countries) will follow suit. However, I agree with others that only this first state is notable and there is no need to post any additional blurbs about other US states legalizing pot such Washington State's pending implementation of their pot legalization initiative. As for the slippery slope "When will it end" objection of how many of these "First pot legalization" blurbs to post, the bar should be simple. If the next country or sub-political entity or "UK constituent" or whatever gets the same scale of global coverage as Uruguay and Colorado has then consider it for posting. If it doesn't (which is likely unless it is a large and highly populated country such as Germany, Australia, South Africa, etc) then it will likely not muster enough support to be posted. AgneCheese/Wine23:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As I already noted, not a true legalization, but establishing a legal limbo where cannabis remains illegal, but the federal agents say they will refrain from enforcing and prosecuting those laws under some conditions. Similar limbos (de facto decriminalization of cannabis) have existed for decades in The Netherlands and Germany. Say, if the next U.S. president is a Republican, will the feds carry on with this policy of toleration? The actual legalization of cannabis on every level of concurrent jurisdiction, as happened in Uruguay, seems like a very different beast altogether, as there is currently no precedent for a signatory contravening the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs. --hydrox (talk) 01:16, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The blurb is misleading, since cannabis is still illegal under federal law. In any case, this is just a sub-national entity. Would we be talking about posting this if the entity in question were, say, a German land, a Swiss canton or a South African province? Neljack (talk) 03:22, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As per my comment at the top, I quite agree about the blurb. Sorry, I really don't see a realistic parallel between a US state and the province of a European state. I see a US state as similar to an entire country in the rest of the world. Maybe I'm just being naive. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
comment blurb misleading implies that the Colorado state will itself sell weed, so ought not to be used if there is sufficient support for this item. -- Ohc ¡digame!06:35, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'd like to suggest closing this nomination as there is clear consensus not to post this. The nominator attempted multiple times to express his view that a US state equals to any other sovereign country in the world, which is nothing else than an individual opinion widely rejected by the others. Sorry, but you're right if only you compare the United States with any other country in the world.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:53, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: John Fortune was one of the two most prominent and most important political satirists in the United Kingdom (the other being his comedy partner John Bird). One of the earliest predictors of the 2007-10 financial crisis and a BAFTA award winner (1997) and multiple nominee. This is an RD-only nomination, I would not support a blurb. Thryduulf (talk) 13:49, 1 January 2014 (UTC) --Thryduulf (talk) 13:49, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, nomination shows no sign of meeting "top of his field" requirements. Many British comedians/satirists are indisputably better known and laden with awards. Also, I have never heard of him, and I speak English. Abductive (reasoning) 16:25, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not weighing in either way, but I have to add that I'm British and I don't think I'd ever heard this name before his death made the news. I'm just saying. 86.172.46.72 (talk) 16:51, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to support, but the article is pretty slim and doesn't make it clear to me how he is 'very important' in his field. 331dot (talk) 17:21, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now. Not very storied, mentioned as appearing with bigger names like Cooke and Sellers, one episode of Yes Minister and a bank commercial. Would change vote if awards and great accomplishments were shown. μηδείς (talk) 2:05 pm, Today (UTC−5)
Oppose Our article does not establish him as a perosn of stubstantial importance in his field. He won one BAFTA, but it is a fairly obscure one and only won it as part of a team. Teemu08 (talk) 19:58, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think his show with John Bird was pretty significant. There was a reason that it was said of them (at the height of the New Labour era): "Along with Rory Bremner, they’re the only real political opposition we have."[3]Neljack (talk) 07:58, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Opppose Although the "he was of local notability only" are invalid arguments (which has been stressed dozens of times!) he was not considered "widely important in his field". This clearly demonstrated by the size of the article, and his career notes. And his BBC obituary. --Somchai Sun (talk) 22:36, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A fire was set in the stairway of a gay nightclub in Seattle on New Year's Eve which was quickly extinguished. An empty gasoline container was found at the top of the stairway. (Huffington Post)
Nominator's comments: Latvia adopts the Euro at midnight local time (22:00 UTC). Usually an important and notable event when a country adopts a new currency. --Bruzaholm (talk) 14:27, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose — This isn't really news. It's long been planned/scheduled. BBC quotes Latvian Finance Minister Andris Vilks as saying, "No one is going to change, because society and business want to see stability and predictability of conditions." [4] That sounds like a ho-hum.
The addition of Latvia (pop.: 2 million) won't significantly boost the Eurozone (332 million). If Poland (38 million) decides to adopt the Euro, that will be news. Even if Lithuania decided to join, putting all three (ex-Soviet) Baltic states in the Eurozone, that would be more significant, although Lithuania, too, has a small population (just under 3 million). Sca (talk) 16:31, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Any country that changes its currency is news. And per WP:BIAS.
Why? Nothing anti-Latvia here — Latvia's economic recovery has been widely praised. It's just that this won't make much difference to the Eurozone. Sca (talk)
Weak support, there are only 17 Euro countries, so the addition of even a small additional one seems significant. The fact that Lithuania is in some ways "going it alone", without the other Baltic states, seems to make it more of a news item. But when is the next one due? Or, in fact, is there another one? Sorry to see the Latvian lats disappear! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Major financial and economic news, which isn't something we cover very often. Yes it's a small country, but I don't think that invalidates the story. Modest Geniustalk17:34, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Not convinced by the opposition so far. The eurozone is a pretty unique international economic experiment, and of great academic and political interest globally. Although we prominently featured the economic crises that shook the eurozone, it's been quite quiet on that front lately, so I don't think we're over-featuring eurozone topics either. I categorically disagree that yet another country, however small, giving up its national currency and joining the experiment is minor news on encyclopedic standards. --hydrox (talk) 18:26, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Only 17??? Wasn't that part of the problem behind the euro crisis — getting 17 sovereign states to agree? Imagine a football (soccer) team with 17 players on the field. Sca (talk) 18:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support it's entirely irrelevant that this has been long planned. This isn't "In The News (that nobody expected)", it's "In The News". We regularly (too often) post elections of non-entity countries which have been long planned, in fact we do so as a result of ITN/R. Expansion of the Eurozone is notable. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:15, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support major financial news, the changing of a currency is a pretty big deal and most definitively newsworthy. The small size of the country does not, to me, make it not newsworthy. SnowolfHow can I help?19:20, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is not huge news, but it is encyclopedic, will be of interest to readers, and given the news is slow it won't be crowding other stories off ITN. μηδείς (talk) 20:50, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Update? I am not sure what sort of update is going to be possible for this. Unless there are riots there will probably be little actual news. Are the banks even open on the first? Can someone comment? μηδείς (talk) 21:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This may be a minor population increase to the Eurozone, but it's massive news for Latvia. As for update, well there will need to be updates to many articles, although most will be small, the articles will be up to date. Thryduulf (talk) 02:08, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. There's minimal update but that's more or less it for the moment. Probably more updates will follow in the morning. --Tone03:40, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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