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* Under the apparent impression that I would alter consensus here in favour of his appeal TheShadowCrow has asked me to comment [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cailil&diff=597724336&oldid=592246425]. In so doing he's just breached [[WP:Canvass]]. That alone is reason to refuse - this is not a game TheShadowCrow. <p>DangerousPanda has made an excellent post above me and I support their view. Contrary to Penwhale given the level of problematic behaviour here I do think a minimum of 6 months for another appeal is appropriate given the level of trust TSC needs to rebuild and given the time it will take to demonstrate the kind of change in attitude both I and DangerousPanda are outlining here. After that initial 6 months, on the basis that some objective, and evident progress is made, ''then'' and in that case I'd be happy to see appeals after improvement rather than definite lengths of time--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#808080" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#808080">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 14:19, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
* Under the apparent impression that I would alter consensus here in favour of his appeal TheShadowCrow has asked me to comment [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cailil&diff=597724336&oldid=592246425]. In so doing he's just breached [[WP:Canvass]]. That alone is reason to refuse - this is not a game TheShadowCrow. <p>DangerousPanda has made an excellent post above me and I support their view. Contrary to Penwhale given the level of problematic behaviour here I do think a minimum of 6 months for another appeal is appropriate given the level of trust TSC needs to rebuild and given the time it will take to demonstrate the kind of change in attitude both I and DangerousPanda are outlining here. After that initial 6 months, on the basis that some objective, and evident progress is made, ''then'' and in that case I'd be happy to see appeals after improvement rather than definite lengths of time--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#808080" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#808080">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 14:19, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

==Askahrc==
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===Request concerning Askahrc===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Vzaak}} 17:49, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Pseudoscience#Discretionary_sanctions]]

; [[WP:DIFF|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :

There is some administrative time lag here. I planned to submit this AE upon the closing of an SPI, which was expected to be contemporaneous with the ANI Askahrc recently initiated. However the SPI backlog has been so large that it has taken a full two weeks for the SPI to be closed.

* Per [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Askahrc/Archive#16_February_2014|this SPI]], Askahrc has been strongly admonished for using an IP sockpuppet to harass users and waste the community's time.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Askahrc&diff=597757723&oldid=597701066#Warning_2]

* Askahrc's harrassing behavior -- issuing threats behind an IP sockpuppet -- was used to support the arbcom case he brought, which begins, "This request for arbitration is to resolve recurring threats..."[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=583822310&oldid=583822234]

* This might be water under the bridge were it not for Askahrc's continued disruptions. To wit:

* Askahrc has been proxying blocked user [[User:Tumbleman|Tumbleman]]'s aspersions against editors.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Tumbleman/Archive&diff=prev&oldid=594757809][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Tumbleman&diff=prev&oldid=594762235][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tumbleman&diff=prev&oldid=594780022][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Askahrc&diff=prev&oldid=595006623] (The reason for Tumbleman's block is here:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=577569220#Result_concerning_Tumbleman].)

* Askahrc sought to reinstate Tumbleman's first edit to the [[Rupert Sheldrake]] article, described in the first paragraph of my statement in Tumbleman's AE[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=577569220#Statement_by_vzaak]. I and others patiently discussed the matter with Askahrc on the talk page.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rupert_Sheldrake/Archive_19#Context_Matters] The case against Askahrc's proposal was quite strong, and he didn't seem to understand or address the arguments presented against it. When he failed to gain consensus for the change, he began an ANI[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=595566325&oldid=595566164] (which was dismissed).

* In the ANI, Askahrc cited the threats he made from his own IP sockpuppet to support a claim that editors are being reprimanded (the link is "[[User_talk:Iantresman#Warning|reprimanding]]").

* There are many issues in the ANI, for example Askahrc twice accused me of [[WP:UNCIVIL]] and [[WP:HARASS]].[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=595566325&oldid=595566164][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=595620945&oldid=595617055] When I asked for evidence of such,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=595640166&oldid=595640096] none was forthcoming.

* The ANI also indicates incompetence on Askahrc's part. For example, prior to the ANI, I politely gave Askahrc a pointer to [[WP:LQ]][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rupert_Sheldrake&diff=595301195&oldid=595300354] because his edit[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rupert_Sheldrake&diff=595265062&oldid=595264728], with comment "Periods go within quotations", is against the MOS. The sources do not contain the periods that Askahrc inserted into the quotes. Yet in the evidence he supplied for his ANI, Askahrc denounced my revert, mistakenly thinking that he "actually corrected a violation" of [[WP:LQ]].[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=595566325&oldid=595566164]

* Askahrc has been promoting the idea that "a large number of innocent editors have been blocked as collateral damage" as Tumbleman sockpuppets (same links as the proxied aspersions: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Tumbleman/Archive&diff=prev&oldid=594757809][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Tumbleman&diff=prev&oldid=594762235][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tumbleman&diff=prev&oldid=594780022][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Askahrc&diff=prev&oldid=595006623]) and has accused me of "an inappropriate tendency to accuse people" of sockpuppetry.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Askahrc&diff=597337799&oldid=597111586] Askahrc contests, for example, [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Tumbleman/Archive#08_December_2013|this SPI]], for which the evidence was called "overwhelming" by the admin evaluating the SPI.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Callanecc&diff=585351907&oldid=585350719]

* Askahrc has additionally written [[WP:POLEMIC]]AL stories on his [[User talk:Askahrc|talk page]]. For example one says, "I set out seven shots on my desk, one to go in my belly and six to go in my revolver",[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Askahrc&diff=597137910&oldid=597127979] where "revolver" is a (mis-formatted) link to the recent ANI he started. Obviously I don't interpret this as a "real-life" threat, but it may be the most uncomfortable [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] statement I have ever seen.

[[User talk:Vzaak|vzaak]] 17:49, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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#Warned on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Askahrc&diff=589227180&oldid=589107447 5 January 2014] by {{user|Callanecc}}

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    Arbitration enforcement appeal by Ivan Štambuk

    The appeal is dismissed. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:19, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
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    Appealing user
    Ivan Štambuk (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)Ivan Štambuk (talk) 13:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Sanction being appealed
    [1]
    Administrator imposing the sanction
    Sandstein (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
    Notification of that administrator
    Sandstein was notified here by EdJohnston.

    Statement by Ivan Štambuk

    I have 45 modern English dictionaries installed for Abby Lingvo and not a single one has derogatory or offensive label next to the definition of the word nationalist. nationalist is not a national epithet either (that would be Croatian or Serbian). Croatian nationalist means "They have Croatian-centric view and I do not agree with it". I asked User:Shokatz where exactly does he see personal attacks [2] but he ignored it. I'm troubled by the blocking admin not being a native speaker of English but German, and the negative connotations that the word nationalist (that also shares the root with Nazi) existing in German but not in English. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 13:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    1. Sandstein apparently thinks that everything not being a compliment is ipso facto derogatory. There is also another possibility that hasn't crossed his mind: neutral. No English dictionary has (derogatory) or (offensive) label next to the definition of the word nationalist. However, in Sandstein's native language the word nationalist does have a derogatory undertone. Here is the link to the definition of Nationalismus in the most authoritative German dictionary (Duden), where it has a label (meist abwertend) which translates into English as "mostly pejoratively". In German it's used as a pejorative, in English it isn't and it belongs to the neutral register. I suspect that Sandstein mixed two entirely different usage contexts for otherwise related words with the same meaning, in two different languages.
    2. It was not my intention to make any kind of personal attack. If you look at my edit history you can see that my behavior has been nothing short of exemplary. I have never heard anyone complaining about being offended by calling them nationalist. More often than not, it is I who is on the receiving end of abuse which sometimes provokes abrasive responses. If someone said that they are offended I would've stopped.
    3. Sandstein's condescending comment about me apparently failing to understand something (what?), justifying the "educational" component of the block by such lack of understanding is borderline insulting. Perhaps Sandstain trains his dog by taking punitive measures when puppy does something wrong, but may I remind him that we're dealing with human actors here that are not Fachidioten with blinders that only respond to Pavlovian stimuli dispensed by the master with his block stick. An administrator should not be making such comments when blocking other users. They shouldn't probably be thinking of editors as offenders that ought to be subject to corrective measures (blocks) for their infractions (policy violations), but at least they could keep it to themselves.
    4. OK, let's say I crossed the line with nationalist name-calling. I didn't mean to use derogatorily, but I can accept that it is not an appropriate conduct. But what does that have to do with ARBMAC and the excessively long block? As I far I can see the guidelines on the WP:PA require posting a message on user's talkpage and seeking mediation. None of that happened. PA is a community-approved policy which takes precedence over anything ArbCom decides, or any admin "broadly interprets". A week is something that trolls and bad-faith editors get. Surely it's too excessive?
    5. This whole circus is a result of content dispute with the user who submitted the enforcement request. It was not made in good faith and his ulterior goal is to remove me from editing a set of low-importance articles that are currently not in a NPOV state. He also submitted a sockpuppet investigation against me with evidence such as last-year's sarcastic comment of mine on a sister project, as well as edits that I made years ago. With all that in mind, I must say that Wikipedia community has become very effective at giving partisan editors tools to target undesirable editors - a Byzantine collection of policies which admins overzealously enforce without a second thought, and without thinking of a big picture. Admins in fact are incentivized not to involve themselves, which basically gives the enforcement gun to POV-pushers which are intimately acquainted with all the glorious details of the relevant wikilese. I urge admins to think outside the policy-enforcing request-observing mode and think whether blocking me in any way helps to resolve the pending content disputes. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 21:37, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Sandstein

    The block was a response to personal attacks as described in my response to the enforcement request, above. WP:NPA, a core conduct policy, requires editors to not make comments about another editor's person, rather than about the content at issue. This prohibits editors from calling each other nationalists, or any other kind of -ists. This applies especially if editors do so, as Ivan Štambuk did here, in a dismissive and confrontative manner: it is clear from the wording and tone of Ivan Štambuk's comments, as cited in the enforcement request, that they used the appellation "nationalist" in a derogatory sense and certainly not as a compliment; and this was also how the term was understood by the editor at whom it was directed. Because this appeal indicates that Ivan Štambuk does not understand this, the block continues to serve the purpose of preventing similar interactions by Ivan Štambuk. The appeal should therefore be declined.  Sandstein  18:39, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Shokatz

    Since I was involved in this and the user specifically refers to me I will reply. You have repeatedly labelled me a "Croatian nationalist", while I have warned you (as have others) several times that such behavior is unproductive and personally insulting and derogatory, yet you have continued to do so even on WP:ANI. I consider it a blatant ad hominem personal attack, especially in the context and the manner in which you used it. Not only have you used "Croatian nationalist" you have also labelled me "POV-pusher" and similar other derogatory terms which clearly implies that you have meant it in a manner implying I am some extreme nationalist, impartial and unable of NPOV. If you really have 45 English dictionaries you should definitely know that the term nationalism is in modern-day context associated and synonymous with Chauvinism -> [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. If you really think that you haven't done anything wrong then you really need to re-read some of the Wiki policies such as WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Shokatz (talk) 17:05, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm familiar with Wiki policies on incivility and I always try to be civil in discussions. Your whole case on my alleged incivility builds upon the misguided interpretation of the term nationalism which is not derogatory in English language. None of the links provided define it as such. Yes it can be argued to be semantically close to chauvinism, but chauvinism is a pejorative term, nationalism isn't. There are many related terms which overlap semantically, one having pejorative connotations, other one being neutral. I've asked you where exactly do you see personal attack and you failed to respond. Ignoring Serbian POV on the article on Gundulić is POV-pushing regardless whether you perceive it as such or not. One week block is way to excessive for calling somebody a nationalist. Balkans-related talk page discussions abound in liberal usage of that word by multitude of involved editors, and no one ever felt hurt about it. What is even more appalling is the enforcing admin's inability to see the larger picture - i.e. you ignoring your fellow Croatians' provoking insults at me, while at the same time pushing for a POV in articles, and using completely unrelated policy to get me blocked. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 17:22, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Let me just state this and then I am done with this -> I am not going to discuss semantics with you, in fact I am not going to discuss anything with you since this is your appeal on the block and you should deal with that. Your issue now is with the admin who dealt with this case. I don't think it will help you in any way if you constantly try picking fights with me (even on your appeal...really?!?) and especially you implying that the admin in question is somehow involved in some grand conspiracy against you or even worse "pointing out" his or hers alleged "inability", quite the opposite. Shokatz (talk) 18:54, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    I haven't implying anything, let alone any kind of "conspiracy" - you're imagining things. Just like you imagined that I am a sockpuppet of PaxEquilibrium/PrvadRuss which will prove false. Paranoia is BTW a common characteristic of nationalists who see fifth columns and domestic traitors in every corner.
    The only "fights" I have with you are on talkpage discussions on which you persistently push pro-Croatian POV, disregarding and belittling important Serbian sources. Of course I'm going to pick those fights with you - if I don't do it nobody will. It's a topic of minor importance - not like Ustashi or Croatian language which have high exposure - so normal editors don't care and nationalists can numerically overwhelm and push their POV into those little articles.
    Yes it's either inability or disregard. In any case blocking someone for a week for calling someone a nationalist, and doing it by invoking a policy (ARBMAC) that doesn't even deal with personal conduct is a joke. If blocking admin doesn't understand that then he shouldn't be an admin. ARBMAC also seems fundamentally broken - created by a decree to give godlike powers to admins in arbitrary topics, and arbitrarily expanded in "maintenance motions" (as one ArbCom member described it). It should be repelled because it's being abused by nationalist gangs who eagerly collect "evidence" to block rare NPOV editors such as me or User:Slovenski Volk who rather take time editing articles than waste it making enforcements, sockpuppet investigations and debates where interlocutors such as yourself simply dismiss sources because they are not Croatian (or whatever). I can't even blame Sandstein, he's probably acting in best faith and "keeping order", but this block is such a travesty. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 19:12, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by (involved editor 2)

    Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Ivan Štambuk

    The use of the term nationalist as in the supplied diffs is indeed problematic, and continues even here in this appeal: "Paranoia is BTW a common characteristic of nationalists who see fifth columns and domestic traitors in every corner". This, clearly, is personalizing the dispute. Ivan was warned here that "Any comment that attributes bad motives to an editor or otherwise insults an editor is going to draw a block". I don't know how you could receive that warning and then expect to be able to say "The problem with nationalists such as yourself is that they believe that their own particular interpretation of history is the 'truth', and the rest is pseudoscience, nationalist quackery etc." However, I disagree with Sandstein's claim that any labeling of a group with an -ist term would be problematic. It was here, but it wouldn't necessarily be. Also, I agree that Sandstein's quote from WIAPA, "national ... epithets ... directed against another contributor", is not quite relevant: a later line from WIAPA is more to the point here: "Criticisms of, or references to, personal behavior in an inappropriate context, like on a policy or article talk page, or in an edit summary, rather than on a user page or conflict resolution page. Remember: Comment on content, not on the contributor." I don't have any problem with the term in general, but Ivan was grouping people together ("They have Croatian-centric view and I do not agree with it"), ascribing negative qualities/etc to them, and using that broad generalization in a discussion about content. Don't do that. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 22:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Have to agree with the above here. Ivan received a fairly clear and obvious warning, linked to above, about personalizing the dispute, and apparently did so anyway. Calling another editor a "nationalist" regarding a content dispute clearly qualifies as such. It may or may not be the case that Sandstein behaved less than optimally as well, but that is irrelevant to the matter of the block of Ivan. Based on the evidence presented, I have to say that I personally don't see what would seem to me to be the required evidence to overturn the sanction applied. John Carter (talk) 01:02, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    After reading Ivan's appeal text, and having been caught in irritating arbitration processes before myself, I read all of the diffs referenced critically. My clear and honest impression is that Ivan does seem to be working towards NPOV, making constructive arguments, as evidenced in his primary statement (regarding the lack of primary evidence for a writer's self-identification as Serbian or Croatian, and the fact that the modern political geography did not yet exist and therefore categorization either way is rather ridiculous, and that dual categorization is a viable alternative to bickering). If the cherry-picked complaint diffs cannot succeed in giving a more negative opinion, then I think this is an essentially frivolous accusation and his appeal is valid. The root of this whole issue appears to be the use and interpretation of the term nationalist, where in fact replacing this term with the Wiki-ese word 'partisan' would remove the offense and generally clarify the comments that appear to lie at the root of the offense here. As someone writing a history book, I think the entire argument about national identification of a dead person before one or more of the modern states even existed is ridiculous - the person should be identified with the policial state in which they lived at the time, and bracketed statements like (located in modern Country) are the full extent of post-facto national referencing that would appear to be useful or defensible. Capiche? prat (talk) 11:31, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Nope, using partisan instead of nationalist does nothing to remove the offense: "Paranoia is BTW a common characteristic of [partisans] who see fifth columns and domestic traitors in every corner"—that's not any better. It's not constructive to talk about others you disagree with like this during a content dispute, even if you're right. Simple use of the word nationalist isn't really a problem, you are missing the point. I'm glad you've found that Ivan is generally working constructively toward NPOV/etc, but this kind of thing is not OK. 1 week might be excessive, but you're missing the point if you think the simple use of the word nationalist is the only problem here. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 20:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Result of the appeal by Ivan Štambuk

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    • I'm not seeing any case for unblock here. Ivan's effort to justify his rhetoric is unconvincing: "I am getting overrun on this article by several Croatian nationalists." The underlying issue is whether Ivan Gundulić, a famous 17th century poet who lived in the Republic of Ragusa, should be called Croatian, Serbian or anything else. The article has been fully protected by User:Callanecc per a complaint at ANI which is evidence that the dispute is serious. Ivan Štambuk's personalization of the dispute appears to be battleground editing. EdJohnston (talk) 03:39, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think Ivan wasn't personalizing the dispute, just talking about it in ways that other people interpreted perhaps differently to his intent. I can't see any deliberately non-constructive comments or edits here, only discussion using the term nationalist where perhaps partisan would have been more wikippropriate. I really can't believe there's even a discussion on this issue, as it's blatantly obvious to me as a historian that the entire underlying issue is absurd and the list of supposedly inappropriate edit diffs clearly shows Ivan sharing this perception and pushing for real evidence. I see no cause for enforcement and in fact I would rather suggest the accuser should be put in place for raising obviously frivolous arguments about name-calling on a ridiculous issue in a language with which they are not natively familiar. prat (talk) 11:34, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • By way of example, we could draw a parallel to the similarly geographically located issue of whether Marco Polo should be viewed and categorizaed as Italian or Croatian. Factually, he was neither (neither yet existed), but could be viewed from certain circles as both. The current Marco Polo page re-asserts the popular and factually incorrect simplification that he was 'Italian'. Well, I guess from that logic I am from Gondwanaland. prat (talk) 11:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
          The content issue is 100% irrelevant. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 21:09, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        Prat, how is this not personalizing the dispute: The problem with nationalists such as yourself is that they believe that their own particular interpretation of history is the "truth", and the rest is pseudoscience, nationalist quackery etc. (here) Does changing nationalist to partisan even help, at all? I'm not seeing it. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 21:09, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Can this appeal be closed now as moot? Ivan's one-week block has expired. EdJohnston (talk) 13:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Kafkasmurat

    This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
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    Request concerning Kafkasmurat

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    EtienneDolet (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 22:07, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Kafkasmurat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Wikipedia:AA2#Standard_discretionary_sanctions
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    Kafkasmurat is a denier of the Armenian Genocide and displays a disruptive editing pattern that is overtly nationalist. Although the user is entitled to his opinions about 1915, he has nevertheless spilled his WP:POV all over Wikipedia articles.

    The user has a long history of disruption dating back to 2007. In his first three edits as a Wikipedian, the user blanked the entire Armenian Genocide article with an edit-summary that calls it an "unnecessary article" and has edit-warred over it bypassing the WP:3RR limit (DIFFS: [8][9][10]). Surprisingly, the user was only given a 3RR warning.

    After taking a break, the user has returned in December of 2013. He continued his disruption even after he receives a formal warning:

    Removes sourced information on the Armenian Genocide

    • 17 February 2014 Edit summary: "Controversial subjects with bad intentions"
    • 17 February 2014 Removes external link of Armenian Genocide on the Genocide article page with an edit-summary "Irrelevant Link..."

    Incivil and racist remarks:

    Copying and pasting information about genocide denial in numerous articles to make a WP:POINT:

    Misuse of sources to make a WP:POINT

    • 21 February 2013 Complete misuse of source. Adds that Soghomon Tehlirian was 'a terrorist in public opinion' even though the source makes no such conclusion. In the talk page of the corresponding article, Kafkasmurat repeatedly says, "When did terrorists become assasins?" and "How can you make a hero from a psychopath?" (DIFF: [11]). Clearly, this recent edit was guided by his personal convictions. The source itself is highly questionable since it appears to be an essay of an undergraduate student given to his professor as a class assignment. To top it all off, there is no edit-summary.

    P.S. The FORUM-like edits on the talkpage were reverted by Drmies with an edit-summary by him stating "language not really appropriate for talk pages of articles". If this language is inappropriate for talk pages, I could safely assume it is inappropriate for articles as well.

    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Warned on 23 December 2013 by Drmies (talk · contribs)
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    The disruption the user has caused the past month is considerable. Although he has already been blocked for his conduct, he continues to disrupt Wikipedia extensively. Most of his edits are driven by his own personal opinions and often times fall contrary to the general consensus Wikipedia has instilled. I propose that Kafkasmurat be banned from all topics related to Armenia and Turkey.

    @Kafkasmurat: I advise you to remain WP:CIVIL in your conduct towards me and to remember WP:NOTTHEM. My edits are not "black propaganda edits" and neither are they "anti-Turkish". I have already advised you awhile ago to stop saying that I'm anti-Turkish. You continued immediately after and now you're continuing to do it again.
    @EtienneDolet: I remain nice to every thing. It's up to your perception. I've been contributing for 9 nears(especially tr.wiki). Political attitudes like yours, kept me away from En.wiki. I don't harm any information. I don't want to ban or forbid anything. We need to tell possibilities for reliability.--Kafkasmurat (talk) 13:37, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    @ErikHaugen: All the diffs I provided are actionable since they were made after the warning on December 23. There are, however, an exception of two diffs (the ones of 23 December) which were made minutes before the warning. I provided them nevertheless to show that the user disregarded the warning and continued his uncivil remarks towards his fellow editors. I am also very well aware that the 2007 diffs in the introduction of the report are non-actionable. I provided those diffs to show the consistency in his disruptive editing pattern from past to present. Étienne Dolet (talk) 03:43, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kafkasmurat: I have already advised you not to use phrases like "Political attitudes like yours" towards your fellow Wikipedia editors. So please stop lashing out on me. Remember WP:NOTTHEM and WP:CIVIL. As for harming of information, we will have to let the admins decide that. Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:05, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    @EtienneDolet: Lashing out? :D You've rummaged everything about me, complained, reverted and i am the lashing one. Congratulations on your discoveries. --Kafkasmurat (talk) 18:23, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    [12]

    Discussion concerning Kafkasmurat

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    Statement by Kafkasmurat

    Hey, i lost hope on Wikipedia with a 24 hour block: because of saying something at talk page. After that i tried to make minor adjustments while reading. Everything i did have trusted references. The user who complained about me, Étienne Dolet, has hundreds of black propaganda edits. All of this users' edits are anti- Turkish editions. That's meaningful. I should remind that blocking or humiliating users don't prevent anything. Only break down the hope. Thanks for objective reviews.--Kafkasmurat (talk) 22:35, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Kafkasmurat

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

    "Sanction or remedy to be enforced" just links to the arbcom case, I'm assuming Wikipedia:AA2#Standard_discretionary_sanctions is meant. I'm not seeing much of anything recent in these diffs; i.e., since the warning in December. Maybe the "You always contribute anti-Turkish additions" line, but I'm not sure there's anything we can act on here in this forum. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 22:34, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    There's also the "Article consists of hate speech by Armenians" comment on December 26. That's a bit stale, but together with the response to this request, which alleges "black propaganda" on the part of the complainant without evidence, I get the impression of a WP:BATTLEGROUND attitude. Considering also that the response is so poorly written as to be almost incomprehensible, I get the feeling that Wikipedia won't lose many good contributions if we enact a topic ban. (Disclaimer: I have made content edits about the topic of the Swiss court cases concerning Armenian genocide denial in the German language Wikipedia. I don't think that makes me involved here, as I've never interacted with either party, but I'm mentioning it just as a matter of transparency.)  Sandstein  18:45, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    It looks like there's bad blood between the two parties, but Kafkasmurat does seem to be displaying a battleground mentality. I'd have no qualms about a topic ban. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:24, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't see much here. A topic ban seems disproportionate to me. I realize these DS cases seem that way sometimes, but I'm just not seeing much harm here. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 19:10, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    You don't think accusing somebody you're in a dispute with of "black propaganda edits" and "anti-Turkish editions", in an area that's under discretionary sanctions, is problematic? To me, it's suggestive of a battleground mentality, even if none of the respondent's individual edits are inherently problematic. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:25, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree it's problematic. It was clumsy and unnecessarily combative (and altogether unnecessary, really: it doesn't matter that Etienne writes a lot about, e.g., the Armenian Genocide) but keep in mind that this is in response to being accused here—I think that while yes, it is problematic, some defensiveness is at least understandable. I'm not saying there's nothing, but an indefinite topic ban for that seems disproportionate. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 23:34, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Interfase

    Interfase (talk · contribs) indefinitely topic-banned. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:22, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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    Request concerning Interfase

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Hablabar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 03:08, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Interfase (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    • 25 February 2014 Unfounded accusations in vandalism while having full knowledge what vandalism is not because Interfase was warned by Sandstein (and put under sanctions) not to use frivolous accusations in vandalism [13]
    • 25 February 2014 Continued unfounded accusations in vandalism, disregarding a reminder to review what vandalism is not
    • 26 February 2014 Continued unfounded accusations in vandalism and displayed battleground attitude, disregarding a reminder to review what vandalism is not [14]

    History of warnings and sanctions:

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    User:Interfase has a long history of edit warring and unfounded accusations. As of late he was in dispute with me, User:Divot and User:Roses&guns, among others. On October 16, 2014, not so long ago, Interfase was put under sanctions for his conduct [15] through a complaint filed by User:Yerevantsi. Among reasons to enact sanctions administrators cited unfounded and repeated accusation in vandalism. User:Sandstein explained to Interfase what is vandalism and what vandalism is not [16]. The sanction has apparently had zero effect on Interfase. He continues disregarding WP:NPOV, fails to meaningfully engage with other editors, and above all continues to accuse his discussants in vandalism. Plus, his latest edit displays a battleground attitude ("Go and put this warning on your talk page …).

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    [17]


    Discussion concerning Interfase

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    Statement by Interfase

    I don't agree with user Hablabar and the descision about topic ban. User Hablabar removed whole informative section based on reliable sources from the article. His actions is against improvement of the article. Without any discussions he just removed whole section. --Interfase (talk) 20:25, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Interfase

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

    It looks like the request has merit. The background is apparently that Interfase introduced content to Azerbaijan on 17:06, 24 February 2014. Hablabar undid this addition with an edit summary indicating neutrality concerns. Interfase undid that removal on 11:39, 25 February 2014 with the edit summary "WP:VANDALISM. Don't delete information based on reliable sources". Then there were some more back-and-forth reverts by others, and the talk page discussion mentioned in the complaint.

    Considering that the previous warning to Interfase not to refer to content disagreements as vandalism (see WP:NOTVAND) was not successful, and that inaccurate accusations of vandalism are personal attacks (see WP:NPA), I am of a mind to impose a topic ban regarding Azerbaijan on Interfase.  Sandstein  10:26, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    • I began reviewing this before seeing Sandstein's comment. I came to the conclusion that this appears actionable. Interfase's accusations of vandalism are false, which constitutes battleground behaviour. Futhermore, Interfase has been duly warned. This is sufficient for a sanction to be considered. As the 1RR already in place hasn't solved the problem, I think a topic ban is probably the only way to go. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 12:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just as a clarification that the OP's reference to October 2014 is meant to be 2013 instead. But yes, I agree there's merit here and we probably need to go to 0RR and/or topic ban. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 17:41, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Gilabrand

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    Request concerning Gilabrand

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    IRISZOOM (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:27, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Gilabrand (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 06:59, 10 December 2013 He removes (rm) a reference to one respected human rights organization (B'Tselem).
    2. 15:25, 26 December 2013 Rm info about Israel's assasination attempt on Khaled Mashal, which threatened the treaty, but keeps info from Arutz Sheva and what they wrote got misrepresented and other one used a fact.
    3. 17:31, 23 January 2014 It is "anachronistic" to write that Mohammed Assaf was born or his parents are from "Gaza, Palestine" but does not apply to the part about "Beersheba, Israel". He also rm that Beit Daras was depopulated, now only captured.
    4. 09:35, 8 January 2014 This was brought up in other AE case. Now again, both in the lead and below, rm that there was a massacre in Saliha. He says the sources are not RS. Falses as sources were Danny Rubinstein in Haaretz and Benny Morris.
    5. 17:36, 23 January 2014 Rm info about damage from Israeli operations, change the reason of the halt (and exaggerates it) from being the blockade to Hamas' takeover, and diminish what the source say about homes needed.
    6. 07:16, 10 February 2014 Rm info about a series of paintings on depopulated villages, Yibna being one of them. Without basis, he rm info about military assault and depopulation. Cherrypicks when only mentioning that they fled, but not why, before assault.
    7. 17:18, 3 February 2014 Rm Palestine. Gets reverted, then adds a fact tag as a last attempt to get Palestine removed. Explanations were given why it is there.
    8. 07:57, 10 February 2014 Not only about turning in the weapons but also accepting protection by Haganah. Rm the part about the soldier firing and Zarnuqa villagers getting expelled. Adds much about weapons and that they returned them but now what they had to do and endure before they turned over their weapons. Rm who ransacked and rm info about demolition.
    9. 20:34, 10 February 2014 Rm that the girl also (apparently) got killed.
    10. 21:04, 10 February 2014 Rm that it was depopulated. When I reinserted it, he added it was "later depopulated". True but why not write that first? His similar actions otherwhere makes me suspicious here.
    11. 19:28, 12 February 2014 Rm that it was depopulated, then only half-reverts when told he has confused them. That still gave the view that it was a current village.
    12. 10:16, 20 January 2014 Israeli expulsions etc. gets dimished.
    13. 10:01, 21 January 2014 Does not even seem to have the source he claims, because later he realized where it came from and then starts to diminsh the source. Anyway, he misrepresents what Israeli forces did. He got reverted, after this he starts with misrepresenting and diminishing where the claims come frome (only a comic book, where it originally came from is left out). Keeped pushing this view a month after too.
    14. 17:51, 28 January 2014 Unaccepted addition of "terrorist".
    15. 16:45, 24 February 2014 Rm sourced info that it is known for protests against Israeli forces and in the same time, he adds a image of Palestinian getting Israeli medical care. Changes to IDF's wording, that is "crossing" from "checkpoint". Rm that Israelis made the raid and who died gets unclear. He is doing the same thing, including one on the same checkpoint, on Commons, where we take descriptions from.
    16. 07:13, 26 February 2014 Rm from lead that Israelis captured it. Current localities gets changed to something according to Walid Khalidi. This does not need to be attributed but by doing it, statement gets diminished.
    17. 22:58, 26 February 2014 Rm refugees got interviewed, now it is only about about a villager and rm that the refugee said that Yishuv (Israeli) forces besieged the village and that it caused a lack of food.
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

    Blocked a dozen times. See also this, this and this.

    See also the latest case here at AE against Gilabrand and the case at AN. In both cases, Gilabrand was informed by Georgewilliamherbert on the heightened scrutiny.

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    I think it is clear that Gilabrand is very biased. During the last month, it has been worse than usual and much of his edits have been on depopulated Palestinian villages. Since then, I have taken a look on his edits because, as evidenced above, he keeps making unjustified edits on articles. He also made massremovals on List of villages depopulated during the Arab–Israeli conflict, including one after an editor wrote in talk page why it is not acceptable and an another editor reverting him. In the talk page about Khirbat al-Tannur, he said for some days ago that "it is time to look closer" on "'Village' lists drawn up by Palestinian advocacy sites have been circulating for years now, and copied by everyone and his grandmother without question". Maybe that explains his edits but "looking closer" does not mean making such biased changes. But of course, it is more than his changes on depopulated Palestinian villages. It is about the whole topic area. It can not continue like this.

    One thing I am happy for is that he is editing about a well covered topic. Just imagine if he was doing this to a much lesser known topic.

    It is not about content dispute but about conduct violations. I will now start shortening it. --IRISZOOM (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    The length should be acceptable now. --IRISZOOM (talk) 21:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    I think it is clear how Gilabrand's conduct is unacceptable. He constantly removes or misrepresents claims so that it favor Israel ahead of Palestinian and other viewspoints. Like as showed above, he removes that villages were depopulated, makes up why they were depopulated or cherrypicks, diminish Israeli military actions such as in Abu Ghosh, Yibna and Khan Yunis, changes a sentence from being that the Israeli blockade (imposed after Hamas's takover) to Hamas' takeover being the reason why reconstruction of homes on destroyed by Israel (that also got removed) was halted, removes that a girl was killed, removes that Israeli forces blow up homes in a village, adds "terrorist" label, removes that there was a massacre, who attacks etc. The POV pushing is big and clear. I see it is as very unfortunante if he can continue like this. --IRISZOOM (talk) 22:17, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    It is an issue with NPOV, which I think Gilabrand fails to adhere to so many times in this topic area. --IRISZOOM (talk) 22:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    If the constant removals of relevant and sourced information and other violations such as cherrypicking showed here is not seen as punishable, I do not know what is then. But if this is allowed, then we all have to accept it and start play the same game. --IRISZOOM (talk) 23:58, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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    I am surprised by your statement, Georgewilliamherbert, and the others. I can not understand how you think it is content disputes, cleanup edits etc. I am surprised because I think the pattern is clear. Maybe some is unclear now that I had to cut down my request. For example, the diff I gave on Yibna is now only one though I wanted to show different info. I gave that info but it is not clear it is different edits. Like this one and this. Explanations are given above. This is the same problem type of problem everywhere so I ask you to look at the edits again and think if the constant removals, misrepresentation and cherrypicking is not unacceptable. Otherwise, I am afraid it is like Sepsis II said. --IRISZOOM (talk) 04:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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    Greyshark09, first of all, the evidence here is strong. Three editors and one admin agree with me. Secondly, this is my first AE case against Gilabrand. Do not make up things. I expect you to retract your claim about "wiki hounding" and to the next time, get the facts straight before making such serious allegations.

    I am not a POV pusher, and certainly not a "extreme" one, and even if your examples were right, saying that this is something close to removing, misrepresenting and cherrypicking info, as shown above, is not accurate. But your examples is silly and mostly because it is about you making unilateral changes and then getting reverted and then you complain that others do not accept it. And while Palestine Remembered may not be a RS, it is used many times here, because most of it is based on people like Sami Hadawi and Walid Khalidi. Even Gilabrand has used it. Secondly, as told many, many times, to put a link in External link does not require it to be a RS. It is there on nearly every article (and was there in this article too before Gilabrand removed it twice and I told both in the the talk page and edit summary why it can be there) about depopulated Palestinian villages and many others. It is nearly 700 articles.

    Zero0000 also brought up the issue about Palestine getting replaced. I have written several replies there and I also said that it is you, Greyshark09, who are mostly doing it but you never joined the discussion. The fact is that the region is called Palestine. This is how it is referred to by the the vast majority of of scholars. No one is referring to the State of Palestine here. The article itself is called 1834 Arab revolt in Palestine. The Arabs there are called Palestinian Arabs, which I reinserted and not "Palestinians" so again, do not make up things. Until 2010, this is what it was also inserted in the article. It is the same thing with 1915 Palestine locust infestation. You on the other hand unilaterally changed that and other articles. You have gotten reverted by atleast another user (Zero0000) on another article. When you have support to change it, do it. Now you have not and even the titles are clear on this. They are not named like that of an accident. But you are not caring about that and are imposing what you think is right and then complaining that others are not accepting your changes.

    The same thing with the other example. Here it is you again changing something. You did it here too. You changed from "West Bank" to "[Jordanian occupation of the West Bank|West Bank]". This is wrong for two reasons. One is that when clicking on something visible like that (read about piping), a reader expects to go to the page about that. Secondly, nearly all articles state West Bank respective Gaza Strip. Both of them were created in 1948 so when you say that we could add "Jesus too", you are making a straw man. You would maybe have a case if I had changed to Palestinian territories (created in 1967, though it refers to the West Bank and Gaza Strip) or State of Palestine (created in 1988). Maybe you could add "under Jordanian/Egyptian occupation" before/after this but this and "West Bank/Gaza Strip, under Israeli-occupation" is very rarely done when stating birth place etc., which is on the contrary to what you claim. But this was not what you did, as you are trying to portrait it by saying that it was changed from "born in Jordanian-occupied West Bank" to "born in the West Bank" when it was the same thing but different link. Again, if you are trying to build up a case, be honest and do not make up things. It is silly to see you complaining because you are getting reverted for changes you do not have any support for. --IRISZOOM (talk) 01:09, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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    Ubie the Guru, an allegation and no support? It was sourced in the infobox, which Gilabrand and edited so he must have seen it. Furthermore, the removal of that it was depopulated was one of several wrong things he did on Zarnuqa. I advice you to read again. --IRISZOOM (talk) 16:22, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Discussion concerning Gilabrand

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    Statement by Gilabrand

    Statement by Nomoskedasticity

    I think Sandstein's instructions are unfortunate. The point here is the pattern, and without a significant range of instances and a thorough explanation it will be harder to see the pattern. If the OP cuts it down as instructed, it might well look like just a content dispute. The post at present does a good job of showing excessively tendentious editing, something that AE ought to deal with particularly in regard to an editor like Gilabrand who has a long history of it. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    The tendentiousness and POV-pushing is there for those who want to see it. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:47, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Sepsis

    It's obvious that Gilabrand consistently abuses wikipedia to further her POV through misrepresenting and removing reliable sources, removing facts that look poor on Israel, labeling, denialism, placing sites in incorrect countries, etc, but it's also just as obvious that AE has given up on stopping such editors. Sepsis II (talk) 23:47, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Alf.laylah.wa.laylah

    I hope the administrators will take the time to look into Gilabrand's problematic POV pushing. It's there in practically every edit related to Palestine. For another example, this one from earlier today, see this article move of List of Palestinian people assassinated by the Mossad to List of Palestinians allegedly assassinated by the Mossad with the edit summary "no proof". Of course there's proof. Most items on the list are sourced. The sources say the people were assassinated by the Mossad. After the move they're not "people" any more (that's not such a big issue) and they're "allegedly" assassinated. This is representative. I could add to the extensive list provided in the original request for enforcement with many more such examples. The policy they violate is WP:NPOV and the method by which they violate it is well-explained in the essay Wikipedia:Civil POV pushing. If the POV pushing isn't clear from what's here, though, I don't guess more will make it more clear.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:20, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Greyshark09

    Frankly it looks to me IRISZOOM is wiki hounding Gilabrand once again, as this is her second or third complaint without any strong evidence, while she herself is an extreme POV editor, which doesn't care much over wikipedia conventions. For example IRISZOOM is using PalestineRemembered as a source, while it was long ago considered as non-reliable; she is making massive edits to insert Palestine and Palestinians retroactively into history without specific reasons and without sufficient sources, like renaming the pro-Ottoman Arab clans of Nablus, Al-Quds and Halil to "Palestinians" who revolted in "Palestine" in 1834 (which obviously was an Arab Peasant rebellion is Southern Ottoman Syria and little to do with modern Palestinian nationalism), renaming the Ottoman administrative Syrian provinces into "Palestine" here once again. If i see this wiki-hounding by IRISZOOM going on further i will take a deeper look on this possible abuse myself.GreyShark (dibra) 23:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Here is another one by IRISZOOM - Rami Hamdullah turns from "born in Jordanian-occupied West Bank" to just "born in the West Bank", while we clearly tend to indicate nationality at-birth. I guess with same logic IRIS might tag Jesus as born in the "West Bank" as well. This is an ideological question of how much Palestine we should see in history and to what extent - IRISZOOM is clearly no the one to ask this question for a neutral answer.GreyShark (dibra) 23:12, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by ZScarpia

    @Greyshark: Even in 1834, Palestine was the common name in English for what you are insisting should be called Ottoman Southern Syria. As for the edit of the Rami Handallah article, you should look at it more carefully: Iriszoom did not change it as you describe. You should probably also read up on the statuses of the areas controlled by Israel and Jordan between 1948 and 1967. Neither area was considered to be 'occupied'.     ←   ZScarpia   05:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by IZAK

    Agree that this is about a content dispute that nevertheless and obviously drives the anti-Israel and pro-PLO-POV-pushers crazy -- rather than edit they come to this forum. It seems that since User Gilabrand (talk · contribs) is just working a lot harder than her critics they take the easy way out and try to belittle her hard work and are trying to "cut her off at the knees" with WP:LAWYERING here. So I'll just repeat what I stated earlier but it is just as true: In a nutshell User Gilabrand (talk · contribs) is being subjected to not so subtle WP:WIKIHOUNDING and WP:CYBERBULLYING by editors who express a POV that can be summed up as waving a little flag called "WP:IDONTLIKEIT". The accusations against her are also a violation of WP:NOTCENSORED as well as an abuse of WP:LAWYERING.

    There are so far few eloquent English speaking Israelis and Jewish editors to do the tough job that Gilabrand does -- to give an alternate explanation and defense to too much blatant pro-PLO, Pro-Arab anti-Israel pushing on WP that is mind-numbing and boring if not outright stupid in its results.

    Bottom line: This entire debate is too hilarious for words because of course every editor has a personal POV but as responsible editors we adhere to WP:NPOV as best we can. There is no denying that User Gilabrand (talk · contribs) works to present an Israeli perspective but it is within acceptable bounds. It is absurd to accept that "all" editors who edit I-P topics should sound and act as if they are working for Al Jazeera (hey guess what guys, this may come as a shock to you, but: Wikipedia is NOT Al Jazeera  !) or as hired PR flacks for the PLO or Hamas or Hizubbullah or the Ayatolas of Iran etc.

    Editors such as Gilabrand are obviously loyal Israelis expressing the standard Israeli view on these subjects cited by the complaint and they will always exist. Duh!!! Just as they cannot be dismissed or ignored or exterminated in the real world by Israel's enemies, they cannot be dismissed or ignored by punishing good editors on WP who come on board who should be debated but not crushed as this complaint is trying to do.

    WP cannot be "holier than thou" than the real world by trying to crush any editor who comes along wanting to insert a healthy debate and alternate views that exist out there in the world, that no amount of WP:WIKIHOUNDING and WP:CENSOR will achieve.

    It only cheapens WP to crush and humiliate Gilabrand rather than discussing points rationally. And it is a cop-out to take this short-cut rather than debate her point by point, that comes across as a "cyber thought control policeman" acting to enforce "UN resolutions" when WP is neither part of the UN nor does it belong to any majority or minority be they Arabs or Jews. WP has to be fair to all because it is an online ENCYCLOPEDIA and it is not a place to wage WP:WAR. Yes, editing WP takes skill and it is a tough job, but to take out the hatched and try to proverbially "kill off" your opponent rather than engaging in proper intellectual debate and work on the technical and policy aspects of WP editing is disgusting to watch, and soon there will only be anti-Israel editors running what is already a pretty well-known debacle and degradation as more and more (like a doomed sinking Titanic of verbal huckstering) WP takes on the default role as a front for the delegitimization of the Israeli POV (yes it's a POV, just as the PLO has POV and Hamas has a POV).

    Okay, so let's imagine, tomorrow Gilabrand is banned or blocked forever. Does that make WP a better place? Will all the critics be happy talking to themselves now that political correctness and groupthink are enforced? It would be yet another Pyrrhic victory that only silly small-minded people could enjoy. Gilabrand is not an "ogre" -- she is a friend of WP as hard to believe that some here may find that to be, and she can be engaged on equal terms. She is smart and knows her facts, and just because of WP:IDONTLIKEIT it is no reason that she should be taken down. WP needs Gilabrand and more editors like her. IZAK (talk) 15:54, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Ubie the Guru

    Take #8 where Gilbrand is reprimanded for removing the allegation that Zarnuqa was a depopulated village. If you go to the article you see that there is no supporting source for that, so in fairness he was correct. The anti-Israel slant in that article is clear. It seems that in Wikipedia editors who are negative to Israel are considered unbiased and those who are positive are considered biased. Considering the massive amounts of disinformation that is out there that is negative toward Israel, it would be a good thing if the information in Wikipedia were seriously scrutinized to see if it is actually true, so that slanders against this small and beleaguered country were not encouraged and spread by Wikipedia. The amount of information/propaganda that is out there that is anti-Israel is analogous to the Nazi propaganda against the Jews in the thirties and forties, and as in the thirties and forties, is taught at Universities. During the Nazi years, anyone who stood up for the Jews against the Nazis was considered a "Jew-lover" and was in threat of joining the Jews in the camps. Wikipedia is getting a reputation of being a propagator of this anti-Israel mindset. Today every bigot in the world has access to media to spread their disinformation and propaganda around. I hope the administrators consider this position before they topic ban yet another hardworking editor whose sin is to see the I-P conflict from an unpopular (but possibly accurate) perspective. Ubie the guru (talk) 16:17, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Gilabrand

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    This complaint is excessively long (2700 words) and contains, at first glance, diffs of edits that appear to reflect content disputes. The arbitration process cannot adress good faith disagreements about content. The request should be cut down to the required size (500 words) and be limited to diffs that clearly show the violation of a Wikipedia conduct rule, such as vandalism, edit-warring, personal attacks or (excessively) tendentious editing. If that is not promptly done, the complaint may be dismissed out of hand. Gilabrand should not feel obliged to respond to all of this overlong complaint.  Sandstein  20:41, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    • I agree the length is excessive, and I'll admit I only skimmed the prose. The diffs, though, give me the distinct impression that Gila has carried on regardless since the last time she was here, despite the advice she was offered by Georgewilliamherbert (talk · contribs) (who closed the AE thread), Debresser (talk · contribs), and myself (see the last three sections of this oldid from Gila's talk page. Since then, Gila has been to ANI, where she was cautioned for other conduct that was a continuation of the sorts of issues that led to the AE thread. I think a topic ban is necessary, otherwise Gila will continue to carry on regardless, and the ensuing noticeboard threads alone will be an entirely avoidable time sink. Gila makes constructive and valuable edits to articles about Israel and Israeli culture in general, but her every foray into Palestinian topics ends up with a noticeboard thread, many of which have resulted in sanctions, as evidenced by Gila's extensive block log and repeated entries in the log at WP:ARBPIA. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:59, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • You may well be right that Gilabrand's editing is problematic in some manner, but I can't come to that conclusion based on the evidence submitted here. Even in shortened form, it is a list of diffs the complainant disagrees with (perhaps legitimately) on content grounds, but with little or no explanation of why they represent misconduct, such as an indication of which Wikipedia conduct rule they allegedly violate. As presented, I'd decline to act on this request.  Sandstein  21:58, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      I'm also not seeing anything terribly problematic. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 23:12, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • On first impression, most of the first half of the edit diffs seem to be ordinary cleanup edits, ordinary content disputes, or something that the original cited sources should confirm or deny (for example, teenager "raped and killed" vs "raped" - cited to Woods - what does the source actually say?...). However, the list move seems problematic. There are sources for the 2/3 of the list entries that I have spot-checked so far. The sources could be wrong, but the sources say "were assassinated by" not "were allegedly assassinated by". The sources state it as fact. That by itself does not rise to actionable, but probably should be moved back. The last half of the edits I have not yet checked. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:44, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • None of the edits, in and of themselves, rises to the level of sanctionable misconduct, and—viewed in isolation—it would be very easy to dismiss them as content disputes or other matters that are not relevant to AE. However, what the initiator has not managed to convey is that there is a pattern of edits by Gilabrand, which—taken as a whole—clearly show that she is pushing a pro-Israel, anti-Palestine POV. For example:
    • Removal of material unflattering to Israel:
    • this edit removed material regarding an assassination attempt by Israel (cited to Al Jazeera), but left other alleged treat violations (those allegedly committed against Israel), and indeed strengthened the wording of one such allegation from "Article 7 notwithstanding" to "in violation if Article 7". Most of the material Gilabrand edited is not supported by the source, whereas the assassination attempt (the only part which Gilabrand felt was "off-topic") is.
    • this edit removes sources (including an Israeli NGO) for a sentence which mentions an Israeli settlement in an occupied territory.
    • this removed all mention of controversial actions by Israeli forces in the 1948 war.
    • more removal of material unflattering to Israel: mention of alleged depopulation by Israel is removed; as is the statement that the village is the location of ant-Israel protests. "Israel" is removed from a statement about a controversial action by that country.
    • a "massacre" by Israeli forces becomes an "alleged massacre"; " Israeli soldiers shot dead hundreds of Palestinian refugees and local inhabitants in one of two massacres" becomes "...were shot in the search for people in possession of arms". Prefacing such words with "alleged" is arguably a constructive edit, but by contrast, Gilabrand is only too happy to label Hamas a "terrorist" organisation. Also, "men" become "militants".
    • Similar watering down or removal of unflattering material about Isreali forces here, as well as replacement of "refugee" with "villager".
    • Removal of mention of an alleged murder by Israeli forces, addition of "reportedly" to discredit unflattering claims about Israel, all under the edit summary "ce for poor English" for an edit that was clearly going to be controversial
    • removal of statement that Palestinians had lost their homes as a result of Israeli operations; removal of mention of Israeli blockade.
    • Removal or derogation of mention of Palestine:
    • That's as much analysis as I have time for at present, but I think it clearly shows a pattern of removing or diminishing mentions of Palestine (which is, at best, controversial) and removing or diluting material that is unflattering to Israel, particularly alleged misconduct by Israeli forces or alleged negative repercussions of Israeli actions or policy, such as with regard to occupied territories. Note also Gilabrand's block log, which is full of AE blocks for the same conduct, showing that this is clearly a long-term pattern. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Hm, discussions about the neutrality of individual edits are a content issue, but a pattern of editing Wikipedia only to make articles read more favorably towards one side of the conflict violates WP:NPOV as a conduct rule. If you conclude, based on your review, that this is the case here, which I can well imagine, then a topic ban would be appropriate.  Sandstein  09:37, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Hablabar

    This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
    Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

    Request concerning Hablabar

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Interfase (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 21:23, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Hablabar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 24 February 2014 Removed the section based on reliable sources from the article
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Warned on 25 February 2014 by Interfase (talk · contribs)
    2. Warned on 25 February 2014 by Interfase (talk · contribs)
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    When I tried to improve the section about Etymology of Azerbaijan article adding the historical map as an illustration some users were against this map in the section. User Hablabar also wrote that he is against the map. I filled a request in Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard where the coordinator wrote: "I don't see what that argument has to do with the meaning of the word "Azerbaijan" which is all that the Etymology section is about. It's not about what territory the term includes, it's only about how the word originated." After that I added new section in the article, where the usage of the term "Azerbaijan" for the territory of Azerbaijan was described. The section was based on reliable sources. After that the coordinator in Dispute resolution noticeboard closed the discussion with statement "Filing editor has created a new section and intends to discuss whether the Caucasus map is appropriate in that section. The dispute for which this listing was made, dealing with the Etymology section, thus appears to be resolved". But user Hablabar without any discussion on the talkpage and without any arguments against the authority of used sources removed the section. I think he do this because the discussed map could be used in this section to illustrate the usage of the term "Azerbaijan" as it was mentioned in the article. Also user Hablabar did nothing to improve the article. That is why I claimed that the edits of Hablabar was a vandalism against "Azerbaijan" article, trying to hide from the readers historical facts.

    After that user wrote a request against me and without waiting my statements the descision about my topic ban was made. I claim this sanction as unfair action against me, because the descision was made without waiting of my explanation of my position. Thus, the issue should be reviewed and sanctions about Hablabar must be done.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested


    Discussion concerning Hablabar

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    Statement by Hablabar

    Please note that Interfase continues violating his topic ban despite the warnings, e.g. article Nijat Rahimov. Hablabar (talk) 18:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Absurd. There is no any violations by creating the article about weightlifter. --Interfase (talk) 22:10, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Notification for administrators. User Hablabar tried to show my "violations" by linking to the article about weightlifter. Actually, there is no any topic ban, claiming that I couldn't create or edit any article. This his action (as previous in Azerbaijan article) shows that the purpose of this user is to stop the improvement of Azerbaijani topic in English Wikipedia. That is why I think that the topic ban on editing the articles of Azerbaijani topic for this user must be sanctioned. --Interfase (talk) 22:16, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Please note that Interfase continues violating his topic ban despite the warnings, this time it is the article Abbasgulu Bakikhanov. Hablabar (talk) 02:10, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:HAR. --Interfase (talk) 12:30, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    I am getting tired of Interfase's expressions of vengeful anger. Hablabar (talk) 15:47, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    I've asked Mitchell and he said that topic ban doesn't cover Azerbaijan topics in general—just topics related to the conflict with Armenia and similar geopolitical/ethnic disputes. So my edits in Nijat Rahimov and Abbasgulu Bakikhanov articles are not a violation. --Interfase (talk) 15:13, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by EtienneDolet

    This edit seems to be in violation as well. Étienne Dolet (talk) 22:01, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    What violations are you and Hablabar talking about. First of all, these edits is not discussions as it was mentioned in topic ban sanction. Secondly, this sanction is unfair and disputed here, because the descision was made without my participation and explanations. --Interfase (talk) 22:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    According to Sandstein's statement below, it appears that you'd have to file an appeal first and explain your situation there. As of now, you are topic-banned so these edits are in violation of it. Étienne Dolet (talk) 22:16, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    I will wait the final decision of this request because the previous one was done without my participation. --Interfase (talk) 22:57, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Result concerning Hablabar

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    Not only is this complaint about a content dispute (about whether some text is reliably sourced enough to be retained in an article) and as such not actionable, but it is also a rehash of Interfase's conduct that caused them to be topic-banned in the section dedicated to the complaint about them, above. Consequently this complaint is made in violation of Interfase's topic ban. In addition, it appears that Interfase continues to make other edits without heed to their topic ban, such as at [19]. Perhaps this reflects a lack of understanding of their sanction, considering that the ban message did not include the explanations found in the template {{AE sanction}}.

    To the extent the complaint also contains an objection to the fact that Interfase was topic-banned without giving them the opportunity to make a statement, which I agree is not good practice in most cases, this objection would need to be submitted and examined separately as an appeal, per WP:AC/DS#Appeal.  Sandstein  21:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Arbitration enforcement action appeal by TheShadowCrow

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    To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).

    Appealing user
    TheShadowCrow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) --TheShadowCrow (talk) 03:51, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Sanction being appealed
    Topic ban from the subject of Armenia-Azerbaijan relations, and any others stemming from it.
    Administrator imposing the sanction
    EdJohnston (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) or Sandstein (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), imposer has been passed around a lot.
    Notification of that administrator
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    Statement by TheShadowCrow

    I would like to appeal an indefinite AA2 ban and all other Admin-custom bans that resulted from it, such as Sandstein's ban that I can only appeal once every six months. This ban has existed for about a year and a half now and I think it's time to finally take it off. I haven't edited an article specifically about AA conflicts since October 2012 following an edit war on an AA page, which I apologize for, and I have not had any conflict of any kind for what will be 7 months next week. But a lot of recent issue with it is if I should have a sports exemption or not (which I was given by original imposer CT Cooper but got taken away on a whim), so I don't think it's serving an original purpose anymore. I'd say there has definitely been enough time to give me another chance. In the meantime I have contributed a lot on the article Joel Osteen in particular and resolved a lot of change issues peacefully with another editor on the talk page, so I think this proves I can edit in a constructive manner and should have the opportunity to for AA2 articles again. I promise I will continue to resolve edit issues on the talk page and not in edit conflicts or anything in the future. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 03:51, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Sandstein So basically you want to give a technical definite ban for no reason? --TheShadowCrow (talk) 18:10, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    User:EdJohnston After Qwyrxian said that I explained things on his talk page and he said I don't know about the other times this has happened to, so I can't comment on them, so he is admittably saying he can't judge if I can edit Wikipedia or not. He also said a good portion of what you changed on Joel Osteen was for the positive, so it seems like you can be a good contributor. So no, it is a lie to say I was "in trouble" because nothing happened. There was a misunderstanding and it was taken to the talk page and resolved. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 20:48, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Here --TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:44, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by EdJohnston

    • From someone like TheShadowCrow who has been in so much trouble in the past we would expect a very persuasive appeal. For instance a clear change of heart. I'm uninvolved for purpose of this appeal since I didn't issue the sanction, though I have interacted with him in the past as an admin. (His current topic ban was issued by User:CT Cooper in 2012). The record suggests that he needs to be given very clear sanctions, since he misunderstood the sports exception and the vandalism exception. As recently as November 2013 TheShadowCrow was in trouble for edit warring at Joel Osteen. User:Qwyrxian stated, "It really seems to me that you are simply unable to adjust to the sort of collaborative processes needed to work on a wiki." This is not a good omen for letting him resume unrestricted editing on AA topics. EdJohnston (talk) 19:55, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Sandstein

    I'm reproducing the entries in the WP:ARBAA2 log that pertain to TheShadowCrow:

    • TheShadowCrow (talk · contribs) banned from all articles and discussions covered under ARBAA2 per this AE thread. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:38, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • TheShadowCrow (talk · contribs) blocked for just over six days for violation of the ARBAA2 topic ban. CT Cooper · talk 19:27, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • TheShadowCrow (talk · contribs) blocked for one month for violating the topic ban again by editing the Mount Ararat article where there was no obvious vandalism. Add to that edit-warring and incivility towards other users (accusation of racism). De728631 (talk) 23:29, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • TheShadowCrow (talk · contribs) is banned from all articles and discussions covered under ARBAA2 indefinitely per this notification. This is an extension of the previous 6 month topic ban above. CT Cooper · talk 11:37, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • TheShadowCrow (talk · contribs)'s topic ban was modified by User:CT Cooper on September 2, 2012, in the following manner: "Sports men and women and other general sports articles which happen to be based in Armenia, as long as it does not concern any political or cultural controversy, should be okay although you should still exercise caution."--Bbb23 (talk) 23:44, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • The above amendment is rescinded as of the 25 July 2013 on grounds that the statement was intended to be a clarification to the topic ban, not an amendment, but it has become apparent that it was the latter in practice and furthermore, it is clear that TheShadowCrow is having difficulties following the topic ban, so it should remain as simple as possible. CT Cooper · talk 20:53, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Due to misuse, the de facto exemption to reverting obvious vandalism in the ARBAA2 area no longer applies to the restrictions imposed on TheShadowCrow (talk · contribs). TheShadowCrow may notify an active administrator if he notices obvious vandalism which hasn't been immediately reverted. "Obvious vandalism" is defined as vandalism of which no knowledge or commentary of the article topic is required to identify. Any vandalism reports which raise issue with the encyclopedic content of an ARBAA2 article will be in violation of the restrictions. Notification CT Cooper · talk 10:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • TheShadowCrow (talk · contribs) is blocked for 3 months for creating a sock-puppet account to evade ARBAA2 editing restrictions. CT Cooper · talk 13:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    In view of this and TheShadowCrow's very long block log, I don't anticipate anything but more trouble if any sanctions are lifted, and would decline the appeal. (To the extent it matters, I consider myself uninvolved for the purposes of this appeal, except to the extent that TheShadowCrow also appeals my admin actions, which, it appears from the above, consist only of limiting the frequency of appeals against the other sanctions.)  Sandstein  17:59, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Bbb23

    I no longer know whether I'm involved when it comes to TSC, so I'll err on the side of caution and post here. TSC's appeal should be rejected. He has never done anything to demonstrate that he is capable of editing responsibly since being banned. Over and over he asks for the ban to be lifted, promising to be better, but expecting others to take him at his word despite being told repeatedly that he must first edit outside of his topic area in a collaborative and constructive fashion. Nor does he respond well to such rejections, engaging in wikilawyering and unfounded accusations against those who do not agree with him. If he expended even half of the energy he spends on attempting to have the ban lifted on improving the project, he might find things would go better. This is a pretty straightforward case.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:38, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by CT Cooper

    I'm commenting here due to my previous extended involvement with TSC, though since July 2013 other admins have taken over the task of supervising TSC due to myself being inactive on Wikipedia. However, I have still kept a general eye on what has been going on and TSC has sometimes contacted me on my talk page to express frustration with the sanctions. I have advised TSC in the past that the best way to get the sanctions lifted was to prove himself in other areas, which hasn't happened, though I acknowledge that TSC has been busy with college. Despite the many bumps in the road I do think TSC has become a more constructive editor and understands better why some of his past behaviour was unacceptable – particularly when compared to when the sanctions were first imposed in July 2012. However, there are still issues which have already been highlighted by other users here, particularly when it comes to collaborating with other editors in contentious areas. It is clear that TSC has strong views on issues relating to Armenia-Azerbaijan and I think he should examine whether it would ever be appropriate for him to edit in those topic areas extensively, regardless of whether or not he is allowed to do so.

    My overall view at this time is that I cannot say confidentially that if the sanctions were lifted, there wouldn't be problems, so I cannot recommend that they be lifted at this time. However, I remain open minded to narrowing them if the case can be made for that. CT Cooper · talk 16:17, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by TheShadowCrow

    Result of the appeal by TheShadowCrow

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    • Eh... I'd like to see a bit more activity in other areas (there are less than 70~80 edits since September 2013, to which today would make exactly 6 months) before considering granting this appeal. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 20:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • @TheShadowCrow: I understand there may be other underlying situations, but I still would like to see you being a bit more active in other areas as the lack of other edits make someone who is trying to assess the situation neutrally hard to do so due to lack of proof. If you would voluntarily set some conditions if the tobic-ban is removed then it may be easier to convince me. (Basically: Without edits in other area I'm not fully convinced that we should outright lift the existing restrictions.) - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 00:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • For transparency, TSC posted [20] at my talk page. I do think there's a need for appeals to be only heard every X months, but I'm willing to offer this: That we will hear an appeal sooner than 6 months from now if it can be shown that TSC has made significant positive edits in other areas. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 05:28, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Any appeal such as this must link to a) significant positive edits outside of the area of the topic ban, and b) positive interactions with others. I see very few edits, and I even see a handful of very problematic ones. The "readiness test" has not been met DP 21:07, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Under the apparent impression that I would alter consensus here in favour of his appeal TheShadowCrow has asked me to comment [21]. In so doing he's just breached WP:Canvass. That alone is reason to refuse - this is not a game TheShadowCrow.

      DangerousPanda has made an excellent post above me and I support their view. Contrary to Penwhale given the level of problematic behaviour here I do think a minimum of 6 months for another appeal is appropriate given the level of trust TSC needs to rebuild and given the time it will take to demonstrate the kind of change in attitude both I and DangerousPanda are outlining here. After that initial 6 months, on the basis that some objective, and evident progress is made, then and in that case I'd be happy to see appeals after improvement rather than definite lengths of time--Cailil talk 14:19, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

    Askahrc

    This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
    Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

    Request concerning Askahrc

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Vzaak (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:49, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Askahrc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Pseudoscience#Discretionary_sanctions
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    There is some administrative time lag here. I planned to submit this AE upon the closing of an SPI, which was expected to be contemporaneous with the ANI Askahrc recently initiated. However the SPI backlog has been so large that it has taken a full two weeks for the SPI to be closed.

    • Per this SPI, Askahrc has been strongly admonished for using an IP sockpuppet to harass users and waste the community's time.[22]
    • Askahrc's harrassing behavior -- issuing threats behind an IP sockpuppet -- was used to support the arbcom case he brought, which begins, "This request for arbitration is to resolve recurring threats..."[23]
    • This might be water under the bridge were it not for Askahrc's continued disruptions. To wit:
    • Askahrc sought to reinstate Tumbleman's first edit to the Rupert Sheldrake article, described in the first paragraph of my statement in Tumbleman's AE[29]. I and others patiently discussed the matter with Askahrc on the talk page.[30] The case against Askahrc's proposal was quite strong, and he didn't seem to understand or address the arguments presented against it. When he failed to gain consensus for the change, he began an ANI[31] (which was dismissed).
    • In the ANI, Askahrc cited the threats he made from his own IP sockpuppet to support a claim that editors are being reprimanded (the link is "reprimanding").
    • There are many issues in the ANI, for example Askahrc twice accused me of WP:UNCIVIL and WP:HARASS.[32][33] When I asked for evidence of such,[34] none was forthcoming.
    • The ANI also indicates incompetence on Askahrc's part. For example, prior to the ANI, I politely gave Askahrc a pointer to WP:LQ[35] because his edit[36], with comment "Periods go within quotations", is against the MOS. The sources do not contain the periods that Askahrc inserted into the quotes. Yet in the evidence he supplied for his ANI, Askahrc denounced my revert, mistakenly thinking that he "actually corrected a violation" of WP:LQ.[37]
    • Askahrc has been promoting the idea that "a large number of innocent editors have been blocked as collateral damage" as Tumbleman sockpuppets (same links as the proxied aspersions: [38][39][40][41]) and has accused me of "an inappropriate tendency to accuse people" of sockpuppetry.[42] Askahrc contests, for example, this SPI, for which the evidence was called "overwhelming" by the admin evaluating the SPI.[43]
    • Askahrc has additionally written WP:POLEMICAL stories on his talk page. For example one says, "I set out seven shots on my desk, one to go in my belly and six to go in my revolver",[44] where "revolver" is a (mis-formatted) link to the recent ANI he started. Obviously I don't interpret this as a "real-life" threat, but it may be the most uncomfortable WP:BATTLEGROUND statement I have ever seen.

    vzaak 17:49, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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    1. Warned on 22 November 2013 by 134.139.22.141 (talk · contribs)
    2. Warned on 5 January 2014 by Callanecc (talk · contribs)
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