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July 12

Image Question

This doesn't have to do directly with Wikipedia, but most of you editors are well versed in the arts of fair use and all that jazz. Anyway, here's my deal. I plan on making a satire site about GameFAQs, entitled LameFAQs. Here is what I've got for a header, and I was wondering if me and my business associate would have to worry about copyright infringement with these images. We don't want to get screwed over because of our ignorance. Original Header: [1] LameFAQs Header: [2] and [3]. If this isn't the proper place to ask these sort of questions, by all means, delete/move it, whatever. Mr.KlicK 17:44, 13 July 2007 (UTC)Mr.KlicK

graph making

how do I get a graph? Is there a way to get a graph from numbers in a wiki table, or do we have to make it seperately and import it, like as a screen cap? Kripto 06:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

don't know. yup, i am just a helpful kinda guy. 121.127.193.176 09:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

There is a WikiPlot extension. To see whether it is installed on a given MediaWiki wiki, check the list of installed extensions at Special:Version on that wiki. MediaWiki has no graphing functions by default as far as I know, so if no graphing function is available you would have to create your graph with an external application and upload it as an image file. --Teratornis 14:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Followup question: what software is recommended to produce a graph as an image suitable for uploading. I use Kubuntu Linux, and I think Kripto does too, but answers based on (preferably free) Windows software would be useful too. It is certainly possible to use a spreadsheet to create a graph, but to get that into image format (ie jpg or png), a screen capture seems rather inelegant.-gadfium 21:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Ideally, graphs should be made in the SVG vector format, as these files are lossless. People recommend Inkscape as a good vector editor, but I don't know how you would make it plot graphics directly. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 23:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Editing Problem

I edited an article. The Real Testament, an album by rap artist: Plies. I edited it, saved it, it looked like how I edited it, I reload the page and then a second later it had reverted to its previous form before I edited it.Frozilla33 23:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

It looks like another user thought you were vandalizing the page. However, I notice that you have included a link to a reference, whereas the previous version did not have this. I suggest you message the user, and talk about what going on. You can see the history of the page by clicking the "history" tab. --Haemo 00:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

query re. adding info.

Without any explanation, my additional info. was deleted from Diane Bish's page here - I merely added data which I felt should be included in her list of accomplishments, etc.; data which is distributed whenever she presents a program. But I find that my additions have been removed and the article again is the skimpy excerpt it was prior to my additions; all within mere hours. I do not understand the reasoning for this and feel I should have been informed as to what I did wrong in order to correct it rather than merely having my contribution erased. Looking forward to hearing from you as soon as possible, with all sincerity, and wishing you continued success in this worthwhile contribution you're making with your various sites, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne-ology (talk • contribs)

It looks like they were reverted by Rambutan (talk · contribs), with the comments that they were unsourced and did not reflect a neutral point of view. You can talk to this user on their talk page about this. --Haemo 00:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Creating Multiple Accounts

Is it okay to create more than one account on Wikipedia?

Skunkmaster 02:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

It is discouraged in most cases. See Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. And please use a signature that links to your user page at Skunkmaster. In case you typed the signature manually: Typing ~~~~ will automatically make a linked signature if you haven't changed signature settings. PrimeHunter 02:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

On the Wikipedia:Sock puppetry page, it says that you can't create and more accounts with more powers, (one account has admin powers and you try to get admin powers on another). Is it okay to create an account with admin powers and on another with Bureacrat status? Or something like that?

Skunkmaster 03:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Only Bureaucrats can confer admin powers on another user. If you are not a bureaucrat already, you cannot create an account that has extra powers. Special:Listusers has a "Group" pull-down list that lets you display all the users belonging to the various permission groups. --Teratornis 15:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Becoming an admin is not easy, and becoming a bureaucrat is extremely harder. It is not fair game to create multiple accounts, except in very limited circumstances. If you indeed created multiple accounts, got them to have powers, and were discovered, you would very likely be banned. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 23:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Copyright licensing for uploaded .jpg files

I'm very confused on the proper proceedure to correctly identify whether a copyright exists for a .jpg I want to upload. I have a baseball card I've scanned and would like to add to a players page. But I'm not sure if the card is copyrighted and if so, can it be used or what would I need to do in order to?

Please help. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Twh66 (talk • contribs).

Well, there's a good question. You could look at the various baseball card images in Baseball card and see how their uploaders tagged them. For example, see the copyright information on Image:King Kelly 0554fu.jpg. Also see WP:COPYRIGHT for general information. --Teratornis 19:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

What else is there?

I know that Admins, Bureaucrats, and Stewards have special powers, is there anything else?

Also what do Stewards do?

Skunkmaster 03:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Stewards can make another user an administrator, bureacrat, etc on any Wikimedia wiki (wikinews, commons, the different language wikipedias, etc). See more information on Stewards at the meta page here. I hope this information doesn't make you power-hungry... ;) Sebi _[talk] 04:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Full list of other user classes, also on the meta here. Sebi _[talk] 04:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:Administrators. Perhaps the fastest way to experience this kind of power is to start your own wiki, but you won't get to wield that power over 47,765,909 users right away. There's nothing inherently wrong with craving power, in fact that's the main appeal of Wikipedia, that anybody has the power to get in here and start changing things on one of the world's most popular Web sites. Most other popular sites like Google don't give users even a tiny fraction of that much power. That's no knock on those other sites, just a measure of how radical Wikipedia is. --Teratornis 20:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

how to semi protect a section of an article from future vandalism

in the article on "Concordia University", the 'Fraternities and Sororities' section of the articles is subject to vandalism on roughly a monthly basis. As a member of one of the organizations mentionned therein, i would like to have that section of the article semi-protected. and/or be informed of how to request protection myself. i attempted to follow guidelines from FAQs or copy-and-pasting source from already semi-protected pages unsuccessfully.

My username is: Pile It —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.239.81.115 (talk • contribs).

Sections of articles cannot be protected, it's the full article protected or no protection. You can request protection of the article at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, but the protection policy states that pages are not protected to prevent future vandalism, only to stop vandalism that is happening presently. Sebi _[talk] 04:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the page and its history, the page has never been protected. Please do not place protection tags on a page that is not protected, as this is misleading to other readers and editors. Sebi _[talk] 04:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Pile it. Articles can only be protected by administrators. The templates and codes you are seeing in pages that are protected are there to inform that protection has been done, but do not effect protection themselves. You can request page protection at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection but it is very unlikely such request will work, as the article is not vandalized often enough to warrant it. The reason protection is used sparingly is because of the chilling effect it can have on good edits. By the way, there's no need to manually type your signature; just type ~~~~ at the end of a post and it will automatically format to your signature, linked to your userpage (and I now see you were editing while not logged in)--Fuhghettaboutit 04:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I had a question for you guys

Can you guys create a page for me here is what I want it to look like

<massive post removed>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.113.111.117 (talk • contribs).

Please do not submit the entire text of a proposed article here. If you'd like to request a page, please go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Thank you.--Fuhghettaboutit 04:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't do it there either; format it properly. The mess of HTML tags and stuff make it impossible to turn into an article. It was removed from Wikipedia:Articles for creation earlier because it had untagged/broken code in it which were corrupting the rest of the page. --Haemo 04:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey peeps!

Dude, can you give me directions to a book store for the Harry Potter book?Thanks a freakin' lot. Henry Plenterson

www.switchboard.com or www.yellowpages.com then put in your zip code and the name of a book store. Useight 09:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I need...

The link to Jimbo Wales's userpage, thanks. --71.96.240.2 05:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Jwales. --Haemo 05:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Graphics Packages

Please Tell Me Which Graphics Packages/Applications Are Available In The Market For Image Manupulations? (Some Most Popular Applications Are MS-Paint; Corel Draw etc.)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Haemo 05:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... =

On my account's userpage, an admin keeps replacing it with "bsbsbsnrjrjegwsnwertyu", but I can't say his username, or who knows what he will then do to me/ advice? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.96.240.2 (talk • contribs) 05:41, 12 July 2007.

Admins do not have God-like powers, so you can tell us here, or on WP:ANI. --Haemo 05:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Given this user's contributions today, I'm getting the sense they may be trolling. I may be wrong, but in either case I would reiterate Haemo's comment that if you're going to make accusations about an admin, being vauge helps no-one and being specific helps us work out who's at fault, with no repurcussions to any innocent party. Confusing Manifestation 06:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

NO I mean on my userpage of my account, not IP address. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.96.240.2 (talk • contribs) 06:16, 12 July 2007.

We know what you're talking about; see above. --Haemo 06:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

= == Jimbo wales

what is Jimbo Wale's car model, thanks, just curious!--Jimbo 05:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.240.2 (talk • contribs)

You'd have to ask Jimbo. – Luna Santin (talk) 06:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I work in the same building as him. If you really do care, next time I see him I'll take a look at his car. It might be easier just to ask him, though. Rockstar (^T/_C) 06:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

If you are not Jimbo you should not sign your Help desk posts as him. --Teratornis 20:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Col-span tables

I'm editing "Flower Mound High School" under the Extracurricular Activities heading to reinstate a previously deleted list in a new table format. Due to the length of one of the items, I've expanded it to fill two columns (! colspan = 2), but my method recolors the box and bolds the text within. How can I reformat/edit the table to keep it from doing that?

You were very close! :) The ! needs to be a |, in this case -- they both denote the start of table cells, but where | is a "normal" cell, ! indicates a column heading (which, interestingly enough, I've never seen in the middle of a table, before, so I've learned a little something, tonight, too). Went ahead and fixed this, for you. Keep up the good work. :) – Luna Santin (talk) 08:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks,

Jonathan

pics

how can i put a photo or image on a page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Raja101 (talk • contribs).

• If you want to add an existing image to an article, type [[Image:File name.jpg|150px|center|Optional caption.]] to the article – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, 150px with the size in pixels you want the image to appear, center with the alignment of the image on the page and Optional caption with the caption, which of course, is optional. See our picture tutorial for more information.
• If you want to upload an image from your computer, to put in an article, you must find out what license the image is licensed under. If you know your image is licensed under a free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons, where all projects have access to the image. If you are unsure what license your image is licensed under, see the file upload wizard for more information. Also, please read Wikipedia's image use policy, because if you upload the image under a false license, you may be blocked.

Hope this has helped. Sebi _[talk] 07:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Becoming an Admin

Is it possible for a few of you guys/gals to take a quick peek at my contributions/edits/comments and give me an estimate on my changes to passing an RfA? Useight 09:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

If you haven't read it already, the Wikipedia:Administrators page is a good place to find lots of information on the subject, as is Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list. To get a good idea of whether or not you'll pass an RFA or not, the best thing you can do is watch (and maybe take part in) a few RFA discussions, and see who passes and who doesn't, and why. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 11:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

A few quick notes. While you have a fair number of edits (1750ish) there are many users that have a personal threshold above this (there are many other users who rail at those who oppose on the basis of editcount alone, but it is nevertheless true). From looking at your first few hundred contributions, a very large percentage are minor edits. I don't know if this indicative of all your contributions, but there are also editors who want to see substantial main space contributions, including article writing. Up until recently, your edit summary usage has not been consistent. Many editors look for perfect or near perfect usagee (meaning always leaving an edit summary). You can change your preferences to prompt you whenever you forget to provide an edit summary. None of these issue are "deal breakers", but I do notice one real problem. You have been warning users for creating pages with "warning vandal". Those are good faith article postings, albeit, speedy candidates. Only users who patently vandalize should ever be referred to as vandals, and even when the vandalism is blatant, it's divisive to label them vandals in the edit summary. A descriptive edit summary, such as noting the tag you are using in the edit summary ("{{uw-creation}}") would be much better.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you should file an Editor review. --Kaypoh 12:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Aluminum composite panels

dear sir i would like to know about alluminium composite pannel where in it is manufactured using pvdf. i would like to know what is this pvdf

thank you prakash

I believe it stands for Polyvinylidene fluoride. For future questions such as this, please ask at a section of theWikipedia:Reference desk. They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

i want flow chart of compound interest

i want flow chart of compound interest—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.95.185.149 (talk • contribs).

Have you tried the miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

urlencode for title names

In templates, urlencode replaces spaces with + signs. What function replaces them with _ so they become proper Wikipedia titles? -- Kainaw^(what?) 13:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I can't imagine a use for which you would need to insert underscores (_) - the internal wiki syntax parser recognizes internal links with spaces in the same way it recognizes them with underscores. Unless you need to link to an external wiki (unlikely, ridiculously unlikely in template form), simply use the page title with spaces - it should work. Nihiltres^(t.l) 13:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

OK. So, if I have my own wiki and I want to link to Wikipedia. I have to create the URL as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_title. However, the parameter passed is "Page title". If I don't replace that space with a _, the link will not work. If I use urlencode, it becomes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page+title - which does not work. So, you see, this is not unlikely, ridiculously unlikely in a template form. It is a rather common process of trying to link from one wiki site to another. -- Kainaw^(what?) 13:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Magic words#Namespaces and URLs which very briefly mentions the {{urlencode:x y @}} parser function. If you want to use this on your own MediaWiki wiki, you may have to install the Parser functions extension. But if your real goal is to link to articles on Wikipedia from your own MediaWiki wiki, you should be able to use an interwiki link like this: [[wikipedia:Page title]]. You can also define your own interwiki link prefixes, for example on wikis I administer I like to define w: to be a shorter prefix to link to Wikipedia articles, along with prefixes for other sites (such as internal company sites for a corporate wiki to link to). If you mess with the default interwiki link map, you should write a help page documenting all your additions, so your wiki users can see what additional prefixes are available. --Teratornis 14:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, "anchorencode" is what I needed. -- Kainaw^(what?) 14:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

How do I add a link to a page?

On the 'Cain (disambiguation)' page, my favorite one is missing. He's the fictional Cain from the Genxorcist.com online comic of the same name. The site and the series have been around for since at least 2002 (when I started reading). How can I add this to your list? Can I add this to your list?

I am NOT tech savy, so if you have 'instructions for dummies', I'd appreciate it. Thanks for the help and info!

170.110.235.86 14:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Instructions for dummies are on the cheat sheet. You probably need to do the following:

1. Click on this link: Cain (disambiguation).
2. Click "edit this page".
3. Add text similar to the following:

*Cain (webcomic), hosted on Gexorcist.com since 2002

Shalom ^Hello 14:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Note that disambiguation pages are only intended for navigation in Wikipedia. They are solely for subjects which have (or in some cases are likely to get) coverage in Wikipedia. It's not a list of known things with that name. I have not evaluated whether Cain (webcomic) is suited for Wikipedia. PrimeHunter 16:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

What happened to Sivaji: The Boss?

It was so big a few months ago with sooo much information.

Now its really small.

What have you done to it? 87.74.19.112 14:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Click the history tab on the article. False information, unreferenced rumors, and other things not directly related to the article were removed. -- Kainaw^(what?) 14:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Images Won't Appear for Me

For some reason, as of a couple days ago, my browser shows me blank space instead of the images on all Wikipedia pages. Images load fine on all other sites, and i can see the wikipedia images if i load the URL of the image itself in my browser.. but i can't see them in the context of the site. What's up?

This question comes up occasionally on the Help desk (see this Google search for it). If you can't find a solution in the previous replies, tell us which Web browser you are using, and/or look in Wikipedia:Browser notes. --Teratornis 20:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Seven Mile Bridge in Florida

Can you please tell me how many lanes there are on the Seven Mile Bridge? Is it 2 miles each way, meaning four lanes? Or is it just one each way, meaning two?

Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.109.0.176 (talk)

Seven Mile Bridge is 38 feet wide and has 2 lanes in total, 1 in each direction. There are also two-lane freeways in USA. PrimeHunter 15:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion Log

I have written an article which has been deleted. I cannot find it in the deletion log - its title was "Ben lewis". I also don't know what was wrong about the article exactly. Maybe you can help me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katharina Harnack (talk • contribs)

Third Day History Christian Rock

• It's in the deletion logs: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&page=Ben+lewis WilyD 15:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

News Briefs

What is the best way to go about finding news briefs for June 2007 for a collegiate yearbook? Thanks! 199.64.0.252 15:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. Shalom ^Hello 19:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know the "best" way but see 2007 and June 2007. --Teratornis 20:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Parameter syntax

Can anyone help me with this one? It is driving me crazy. I am working with Template:Month3 and I included this:

|satcolour= {{#if:{{{satcolour|}}}|<font color={{{satcolour}}}>| }}

This is what I want. When the template is called with the parameter satcolour=blue (or any other colour), the next template must be called with:

|satcolour=<font color=blue> 

Otherwise it must be:

|satcolour=

It appears that my command is finished after the second of a triplet of braces. And it adds a double quote after the third brace. In other words the symbols

}"> | }}

are passed literally.

What went wrong? HandigeHarry 16:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

It keeps insisting that I log in

I log in as Bobt250, it accepts me as being logged in. After that anytime I try to do anything it keeps telling me I need to log in. No amount of logging in satisfies Wiki. Consequently I asked a question of a moderator and I appeared as unsigned and cannot edit my preferences. User:67.142.130.55 (Talk)

Perhaps you need to enable cookies in your browser, as described here? jeffjon 20:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Emailed password delay

I have requested that my password be emailed to me but over an hour later I am still waiting. My mail server is well connected and always on so I expect no delays in receiving email. How long before it is sent?

I believe that my login is "druid" and my email address is darcy@druid.net.

Thanks.

208.65.241.192 16:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

There a two potential problems. First, you might have typed in the wrong email address when put in your email address for your wikipedia account. Finally, and most likely the wikipedia email system is down momentarily. Hope that helps. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 18:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

So is there some way to find out if my email address is incorrect for my login? Wikipedia is too big a system for them to be down for such a long time. How do I contact an admin?

208.65.241.192 19:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Admins on wikipedia have nothing to do with the servers themselves. You'd have to contact someone with the WikiMedia Foundation. -- Kesh 21:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Or donate lots of money so they can buy more servers. Generally most of these server slowdown problems clear up in a day or two if you just wait (see: Wikipedia:There is no deadline). I'd be surprised if complaining about a problem like this would get it fixed any sooner, although I could be wrong. --Teratornis 02:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. Operator error. As soon as I realized that login names were case sensitive I had my password sent using the correct name. DruidZ 01:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

Editing Page Titles

Is it possible to edit page titles? If so, how does one do it?

Ltmwiki 17:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)ltm

Move the page (click the move tab). Moving is, in a sense, renaming the page. -- Kainaw^(what?) 18:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

More about page moves is found at WP:MOVE -=# Amos E Wolfe ^talk #=- 18:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Also if the move is potentially controversial, it might be a good idea to list it at WP:RM. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 18:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Licensing of non-replacable, non-free image of a deceased person

I have an image of an individual who is deceased that should fall under fair use, but on the image upload page I don't see an intuitive license for this in the drop down. any suggestion on what license to use for an image of a deceased person where I can attribute the photog and the image is non-replacable fair use in the article about the individual because it is one of only 3 existing photographs of the subject? I don't normally do image loads so I'm not overly familiar with that page.--Isotope23 18:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, I think I figured it out...

Resolved

Multiple categories

Is there a way to search for articles members of 2 or more specific categories. For example, all articles that are both Category:All_articles_with_unsourced_statements and Category:Birds? Burzmali 20:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 June 13#Intersect to categories (sic) and you can search the Help desk archive for this question. Side note: when you want to display category links so they appear in the text, rather than categorizing the page itself into those categories, place a colon before the category name, like this: [[:Category:Birds]] (see Help:Category). --Teratornis 20:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Burzmali 20:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Neurology categorization

Under Neurology, there is neurophysiology, neurobiology, neuroanatomy, neurochemistry, medical diagnostics, and perhaps a few that I haven't thot of. I want to put them there as subcategories. How? Brewhaha@edmc.net 03:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

At the bottom of Category:Neurology is a link to the parent category Category:Neuroscience. That has many subcategories including Category:Neurophysiology which has the subcategory Category:Neurochemistry. It's not my field and I don't know what would be the most logical structure, but we try to avoid that the same category is subcategory of a lot of related categories which already link to eachother. Related categories can become hard to navigate if they are large and filled with the same subcategories. PrimeHunter 03:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

See also Help:Category and Wikipedia:Categorization. PrimeHunter 03:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I put neurology and neuroscience as categories of each other, because they are synonyms, or so very nearly so as to be easily confused. I'll just undo that.

Brewhaha@edmc.net 02:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

Japanese/Chinese characters

I am using Firefox on Windows XP, and every Japanese and Chinese (among others) show up as question marks. How do I fix this? 69.117.70.39 20:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Multilingual support (East Asian).-gadfium 21:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Add information

I would like to know how to add information to an already exisiting page. Example: If I want to add a store to a designer's page, like where to find there pieces, how would I go about doing that?

Use the "edit this page" tab, or click on one of the "edit" links which appear next to each section header to edit just that part of the page.-gadfium 21:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion Code

I'm curious about a submission I made for Filmmaker James Myer that was deleted. His work is notable: (His documentary, Multiple Personality: Reality and Illusion chronicled the life of Chris Costner Sizemore, the first person diagnosed with MPD, and portrayed in The Three Faces of Eve. This and other international work was linked and verifiable on the submission at James Myer] at the Internet Movie Database, and otherwise linked to Wikipedia and other sites.

I checked the deletion log... there were no codes, the only thing I could make out of it was "and the only contributor was Jazzzzy", which is myself. Do submissions require more than one contibutor? If so, it's unusual as I have seen many with only one contributor. Could someone please give me a reason or code as to why this submission was deleted? I would like to know, as this was my first submission and if I had done something wrong, I'd like to correct it.

Thanks!

Jaz

The log is not very great there, it is because it was about an "unremarkable person", not because you are the only contributor. GDonato (talk) 21:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Also note that IMDB is not considered a WP:RS reliable source, as things get added to it all the time with little or no confirmation. -- Kesh 21:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Kesh: Thanks for your reply. IMDB may have been that way in the beginning, however I find them very stringent today regarding submission. Everyone that I've made has had to have verification. Also, other links were made to sources here at Wiki.

The page was tagged as not asserting notability, but I think adequate assertion was made. You should take this to WP:DRV to get the deletion reviewed.-gadfium 21:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

gadfium, Thanks for your direction and the link! Jaz

IMDB is really not much better today. Supposedly "official" release dates, even projects that have been "announced" only to find out it only exists in a PR department's ads... all they do is report that someone has made a statement. They don't find out if the film is actually in production, just that somebody somewhere said they wanted to make it. Actor's profiles get padded. It's just not reliable. -- Kesh 22:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Last thought on this... I'm wondering, if IMDB is that unreliable, why does Wiki allow thousands of links to it? -Jaz

For the same reason blogs, forum posts and other unreliable links are 'allowed' on Wikipedia: an editor who is aware the link is unreliable hasn't noticed it yet and removed it. The site isn't blacklisted or anything, so we can't prevent it from being used. But, like YouTube, it's not reliable, so many editors will delete the links on sight unless a very good reason can be made for including it. -- Kesh 23:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Heritage imformaation

My Mother is from a tribe right outside of Missouri, I want to contact my relatives, I belive the tribe is choka —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.226.193.52 (talk • contribs).

Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit 23:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

You could look through Category:Native American tribes by state although that might be a bit tedious. If "right outside of Missouri" means a bordering state, then see Missouri which says: It is bordered by eight states Iowa, Illinois, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Nebraska. A search of Wikipedia for: choka finds no results that sound like a Native American tribe; are you sure you have the correct spelling? --Teratornis 02:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

How to Redirct a page (or how to correct an error in the page header)

I created an article on composer Maurice Goldman...however, it is displayed as follows: "Maurice goldman," with a lower case g on the subject's last name. I'm certain this happened because I entered the name incorrectly and Wikipedia just repeated my error. My quesion i, how do I correct this? I notice on other pages that were or created with an incorrect case in the letter, that they have been redirected to a page with the proper capitalization. If this is the case, can a Wikipedia editor make the correction, or do I have to do it via a #redirect. I have searched many hours and in vain for a method of doing this. Please advise. Thank you very much.

Mrmrsgwangi 23:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I have moved the page for you to the proper name. Renaming in the way preserves the page's edit history which we need for copyright purposes. The move tab is at the top right of pages near the "history" and "watch" tabs. When you move a page the old page name becomes a redirect to the old page name so the prior name will now take you straight to the proper name.--Fuhghettaboutit 23:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

RELATED QUESTION: I am having the same problem with the Newswomen's Club of New York entry I created last week -- the name is appearing in lowercase in the title. I don't see a "move" tab in the place where you said it should be...

Table of contents

Is there a code to automatically set up a table of contents in an article please ? thisisace 23:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

__TOC__ --ST47Talk 23:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Worked it out now ! thisisace 23:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

For further reference, see: Help:Section#Table of contents (TOC). --Teratornis 01:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

Archive of Talk:Catherine Bell

I tried to follow the directions for the "move" procedure for archiving a page found on WP:archive#Move_procedure, but I seem to have erred somewhere. Talk:Catherine Bell is acting as a redirect to Talk:Catherine Bell/Archive 1 even though I thought I deleted the redirect and replaced it with actual text. It does have content, but you have to click on the "redirected from" bit on the top of the page to read it. Could someone fix the problem I caused and tell me how I can avoid this mistake in the future? Thanks! Enuja 23:54, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

It appears to be working fine for me. You may have to bypass your browser's cache to see the proper page. This is one reason I dislike move-archives, they cause a lot of confusion. -- Kesh

Errr, it seems to be working fine, now. Maybe I will stick to copy&paste archives in the future. Enuja 00:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Please do. Having the talk page history spread throughout a number of archives isn't a feature, it's a bug, in my opinion. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

July 13

DO you think that the Template:Global Flood, should be deleted?

I just want to say that whould that particular template be deleted. It contains information from another point of view that is about the Global Flood in the bible_____User:Virtue account

You can explain your view at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Global Flood. Prodego ^talk 01:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Screen shots of wikipedia

To whom it may concern,

I wish to use screen shots of Wikipedia articles and the Wikipedia main page, this includes the Wikipedia logo for a educational video for You Tube. Can I? I will site all sources.

Thank you,

-- (Cocoaguy ここがいい _contribs^talk) 01:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest that you contact the encyclopedia more directly, by clicking here, and request permission. --Haemo 01:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

If you are making instructional videos that would be useful for Wikipedia users, please add a mention of them in Wikipedia:Instructional material. --Teratornis 01:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

e-mailing articles

is it possoble to e-mail an article right from the article itself -- is there a link for doing this?

I don't think its possible to e-mail an article directly from Wikipedia. What you can do is copy and paste the contents of an article to your e-mail account and send it from there. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 05:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Or even better, send a link to the article in the email instead. --antilived^{T | C | G} 09:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Try right-clicking anywhere in the page. In my browser, IE7, an email option shows up in the menu. Corvus cornix 22:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Right-click and then click "Send Link..." for Firefox. @pple 16:10, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk pages

Perhaps I'm having a mental lapse, because it's been a while since I've used Wikipedia, but weren't the 'talk' pages originally called 'discussion' pages?

Possibly. The notation is fairly variable. Technically they probably should be called "discussion" pages, but "talk" is easier to type, and they are located in the Talk: namespace. There has, in fact, been some discussion on the village pump's proposals section about renaming the tabs, which still say "discussion". Confusing Manifestation 07:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

This is an example of what I call "synonym disease" in MediaWiki. I consider it an ergonomic flaw in a user interface, because using more than one word to mean exactly the same thing creates an extra learning burden for the new user. Namely, the new user must learn that there are two different words which have the same meaning in the system, and this is not something the new user can safely assume. Usually when the user sees an unfamiliar word, it probably ties into another unfamiliar concept. Synonym disease therefore creates potential red herrings to mislead the user and overwhelm his or her scarce short term memory. An ergonomically superior system unfailingly maintains a one-to-one correspondence between names and things, avoiding instances of both synonym disease and the opposite problem, overloading (using the same word to refer to more than one distinct thing). (Initially I thought "page" and "article" were also synonyms, but later I learned they are not.) The above ideas are not original with me, but I don't have any sources to cite for them off the top of my head. So, in the absence of sources, I present these ideas as merely my opinions. "But of course they are correct," he muttered quietly. --Teratornis 15:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

It's odd, because now they say "discussion" once again. I don't know if an administrator was fooling around with the format, but for a short stint, the pages all said "talk." And yes, that was here in standard Wikipedia, I'm not confusing it for the Simple English version.

Images move depending on page size.

If the window on a persons computer is small, it alters the whole layout of the page I created. I would like the words and pictures to be just where Iput them regardless of how big a persons window is.How can i do this?

Lucysbar 07:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Lucysbar

Are you doing this in HTML? If you are you should bear in mind that it is a bad idea to have a fixed sized layout on a website. It's much better to make an "elastic" layout where it will adapt from a reasonably low resolution (800×600 or below) to much higher by using percentages and min-width and max-width properties in CSS. If you still decide to make everything fixed, you can set width and height of a specific element by using CSS. Also, this question belongs to the Computing Reference Desk. --antilived^{T | C | G} 09:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

what?

Where can I buy the third season of South Park?Thanks.Peter French

Please ask at the reference desk. The Evil Spartan 15:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Or just Google:South Park third season and give the Reference desk folks a rest. --Teratornis 15:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

$$$??

HOW MUCH DO I NEED TO PAY TO USE WIKIPEDIA? THANKS, JOE STAMPSEN JR.

You do not need to pay any money to use Wikipedia. Wikipedia is completely free to use and edit. You don't even need to pay to create an account. For more information please see Wikipedia:About or our FAQ. Raven4x4x 08:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia does however rely on donations to keep running so if you wish you might like to consider making a donation. Thanks. Will (aka Wimt) 09:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

You do, however, have to make an effort to learn how to use Wikipedia, and the primary way you do this is by reading the friendly manuals. If you value your time, this effort is not "free," and if you are like most people, reading manuals does not powerfully stimulate the pleasure center in your brain. Fortunately, if you only want to read Wikipedia, the number of manual pages to read is not too large. However, if you also want to edit articles in a substantial way, and have some success at it, you will have to read a frightening amount. In addition to the manuals, there is some Instructional material you may find helpful, including some training videos. --Teratornis 15:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Template to request a better photo

I've found templates to request a photo that is in better focus, or better exposed, but isn't there one just to request a better photo? Like one that actually shows the subject of the article? (I was looking at this article in particular.) I know this is often simply requested on the article's talk page, but I think a template is more likely to get noticed.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

{{Reqphoto}} lists several related templates, but I don't see one that looks like a request for a better photo. Template talk:Reqphoto#Image change? mentions a template on the Danish Wikipedia which does appear to request a better photo. You might repeat your question on Template talk:Reqphoto. If the template you seek already exists, it should appear in the list of templates in the documentation section of {{Reqphoto}}; if the template does not exist, someone should create one, or add an option to {{Reqphoto}} to request a better photo. --Teratornis 15:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm Danish. The Danish Wikipedia uses the same template for requesting a picture or a better picture. http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skabelon:Billedesavnes says:

Denne artikel kan blive bedre, hvis der indsættes et (bedre) billede.

The direct translation is:

This article could become better if there is inserted a (better) picture.

"(better)" is written with the parentheses and is not optional. PrimeHunter 20:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

You can use the "of" parameter to clarify what you want, for example use {{Reqphoto}} with {{Reqphoto|of=the Bluesmobile with good view of the car}}. It doesn't have to replace the existing photo in Bluesmobile. The article could have two photos. PrimeHunter 15:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

leaning of pisa tower

what is the solution to retain its stability —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.94.109.46 (talk • contribs) 09:50, 13 July 2007.

The Wikipedia article about the tower has some information about that. Put "Leaning Tower of Pisa" into the search box and see what happens. The search box is in the left hand column at the top of any wikipedia page. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 10:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Use Google will make it easier. :) @pple 16:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Notable deaths

Where do i find the section where people have died (notable deaths)?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.209.128 (talk • contribs)

I don't understand your question. Everybody dies. It's not notable.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you're looking for Deaths in 2007, which lists recent notable deaths? --Maelwys 12:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Good call Maelwys. Of course the Darwin Awards are also notable deaths.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't Wikipedia have catagory pages for people who died at certain ages or in certain circumstances? I recall pages like 'Entertainers who died in their 20s' and 'People killed in road accidents.' I found these pages fascinating, whatever happened to them? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.149.195.135 (talk)

Maybe Category:Death and Lists of people by cause of death is of interest. PrimeHunter 18:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Personalized mainpage

Is there a way to make wikipedia open to a particular page or portal when you login? Like, if you're a history buff, it could always open to the history portal . . .

Create a Favorite (Bookmark in Firefox) linking to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Portal:History . If you want to go somewhere else on login, you can change the end of the URL to point somewhere else, eg: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Wikipedia:Help_Desk . Just remember to replace any spaces with underscores ( _ ) :) -- Stwalkerster talk 13:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to mention: Click the favourite to login, and it will automatically redirect you to Portal:History after you login successfully. :) -- Stwalkerster talk 13:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

International Marketing

Dear Sir/Madam,

I want to do PG course / Diploma Cerificate course in "INTERNATIONAL MARKETING" through correspondence.

Please advise me where can I do the above course in India.

Dinesh

Try a Google Search for that. Sorry, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place you can do things like that. :) -- Stwalkerster talk 13:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I corrected your Google Search interwiki link. The correct prefix is Google:, and   is necessary instead of a space character between search terms, due a bug in how MediaWiki formats URLs for interwiki links to sites that are not actually wikis. (I'm not sure whether this space character problem qualifies as a "bug" because it is more like a deliberate misuse of the interwiki linking feature.) The questioner should also see List of basic marketing topics. --Teratornis 14:44, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

References there but not linked in text

What do I mark an article as ({{unreferenced}}?) when the references section does list references, but the text itself is missing in-line footnote style links to the references? In particular, I'm referring to Henry VIII of England. Thanks in advance. -- Sdornan 13:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I put {{Citations missing|date=July 2007}} at the top of the page. Is that correct? -- Sdornan 13:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

It'll do. It's in the right area, so if it is slightly wrong, someone will change it, or deal with it anyway :) -- Stwalkerster talk 13:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Discussion pages

I've just opened a discussion page for a particular article. In it, I ask for some clarification on references cited.

What happens now? Will the author of the article respond, or what? And how long is any response likely to take?

Sorry to be so ignorant, but I do need to know.

Iain07 14:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

It depends on when someone stumbles across your message. It could be a few hours or a few months. Incidentally, though, you placed your comment on the wrong page. I moved it. You wanted Talk:Thomas Sayers, not Talk:Thomas Sayers/Comments. The Evil Spartan 15:12, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Articles usually have many contributers. You can see them and their edits by clicking "history" at the top of the article. You can contact them directly by clicking "Talk" next to their name in the history, and then click "leave a comment" to start a new section on their talk page. Thomas Sayers has dead links to http://www.tales.ndirect.co.uk/TOM2.HTML. The Internet Archive#Wayback Machine shows former content of that URL at http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.tales.ndirect.co.uk/TOM2.HTML. PrimeHunter 15:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Sign-in details are not working!

I have tried to sign in several times, using an emailed temporary password. This was a month ago, when I got the message that too many attempts were made in a 24 hours period. I just tried again to get a temporary password sent, and got the '24' message again! 81.111.110.50 14:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC).

Wait 24 hours, then request a new password. Then try logging in again. Don't try to login until 24 hours are up though. If it still doesn't work, post another message here. :) -- Stwalkerster talk 15:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Technological Company Stubs

{{helpme}}

I was attempting to create a new Tech Company Stub in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Technological_company_stubs&from=C by editing the page brought up by clicking on the {{tech-company-stub}} link on the page. However, I seem to have successfully edited the generic template and not saved as a company page.

How do I undo the damage I apparently caused to the template page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Tech-company-stub ?

Then the next question would be that once I get the page appropriately created such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chassis-Plans then how do I add that to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Technological_company_stubs?

Thanks, David

Hi David. I've slightly altered your comment(just added markup) to remove this page from the tech company stubs, I hope this isn't a problem. To add your own page Chassis-Plans to the Technological company stubs simply add the {{tech-company-stub}} to the page.

As for the template, you have created a talk page for it. I'd just suggest going back to the template talk page and blanking it (just edit, select all, delete, and save) since you are the only editor to have touched it. Camann•TALK 16:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, the {{helpme}} tag is for use on your user talk page, just for future reference. Camann•TALK 16:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

The Spill Canvas

Hello. I am writring from Warner Brothers Records. You have spelled a Spill Canvas member's name as "Landen" when, in fact, it is spelled "Landon." Thank you.

Danielle Katz Danielle.Katz@wbr.com

It's fixed now. This is Wikipedia, just as you used this page to leave a message, you could have edited the The Spill Canvas page yourself instead of waiting for someone here to see and fix it. Camann•TALK 16:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

no info on 163 and qian zhijun

why wikipedia no info on 163, is very big website in china, and qian zhijun, his photos everywhere in china. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chinese EdiTor (talk • contribs).

Wikipedia hates the Chinese. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.189.65.174 (talk)

There has been an article at Qian Zhijun (logs) and large discussions and controversy about it as [4] shows. One of the arguments to delete the article was to avoid further embarassement of this innocent kid who hasn't done anything. There is a short mention without name at Little fatty. PrimeHunter 17:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it is fair to say "Wikipedia hates the Chinese" (even though I would enjoy hearing someone say, "Mr. Wales, tear down this wall!" no matter how lacking in basis the rallying cry would be, or perhaps because of that). Wikipedia might lose the battle against vandalism if it allows editing via open proxies (a battle Wikipedia could still lose anyway, as the vandalism arms race continues with unpredictable outcome), and a heavily-vandalized Wikipedia wouldn't be useful to anyone, Chinese or otherwise. Besides, as the United States learned by invading and occupying Iraq, even toppling a seemingly unpopular dictator does not automatically make people like you. Perhaps the ensuing chaos in Iraq suggests Saddam Hussein was not as far out of line with the values of his people as we were led to believe, and perhaps the Chinese government similarly enjoys more support among at least a powerful subset of its subjects than its detractors maintain. I think Wikipedia is doing plenty to pressure governments everywhere to loosen restrictions on the free flow of information, simply by being a popular Web site that does not suck. Wikipedia continues to become more useful, and hence valuable, year by year, and this has the effect of penalizing any government foolish enough to block Wikipedia. Truth has an inherent advantage over untruth in that truth is more likely to work (as Robert Ringer wrote, "If you ignore reality, it automatically works against you."). How far behind does the Chinese government want to fall in competition for the global market? When the competitors of Chinese businesses are getting better answers faster and cheaper than Chinese companies can get them, powerful Chinese business interests may start to complain, and few governments ignore their billionaires (those that try to, such as the Khmer Rouge, tend not to last long). Also, Wikipedia's popularity and visibility are driving the adoption of corporate wikis which could really disturb the status quo. The Chinese government will certainly have its work cut out if it wants the benefits of modern information technology while maintaining the censorship facilitated by older forms of information such as paper publishing and broadcast television in which a relatively small number of organizations controlled what everybody got to read or view. I read somewhere a speculation that Communism tends to fall in any modernizing nation shortly after the number of telephones per 1000 people reaches some threshold value, beyond which centralized control over information becomes untenable. Wikis might function like super-powerful telephones in this respect. --Teratornis 21:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

yes, in 2003, qian zhijun not happy that every people take his photos, but now, its ok with him. i think he will happy if wikipedia have info on him. and 163, very big website in china, only baidu tencent and sina more big, why wikipedia no info on 163. teratornis, i dont understand you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chinese EdiTor (talk • contribs).

There has been a stub about 163.com since March 2005. Apart from 5 pages on the site itself, it is the first Google hit on 163.com for me (but possibly not in China where Google results may be censored). It was decided to keep the article in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/163.com. Anybody with Wikipedia access (for example you) can edit the article. Unfortunately that excludes a lot of Chinese people due to Chinese censorship. PrimeHunter 03:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Template formatting

I need help formatting Template:Ivy League MLB All-Stars. I just need some thing like a "•" or a "|" that can break the six template areas for spacing.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. I hope that it is OK. I have split it all up onto different rows, and the || means a new column (It is the same as a | on a new line). If it is not OK, come back here for more help. I have included the template as a link below:
{{Ivy League MLB All-Stars}}
 :) -- Stwalkerster talk 19:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

doubts

i am bio-techee.. is there any chance of downloading ebooks through this site reguarding subject?

There are no e-books available here. You can see our article on biotechnology at that link. Dismas|^(talk) 19:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

You might also want to try our sister project WikiBooks. - Zeibura ^(Talk) 19:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Theo Geisel

Theo Geisel (Dr. Seuss) should have a link to a new page for Theo Geisel, Director, Max-Planck-Institute for Dynamics and Self-Organization and Professor of Theoretical Physics, University of Göttingen. http://www.chaos.gwdg.de/theo/

This is my first time contributing to Wikipedia and I am not sure how to make the necessary changes.

LewM 19:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi! You might like to take a look at the Tutorial to get started. Links can be make by typing [[Article]], replacing Article with the article you wish to link to. If you create a link to an article that does not yet exist, it will appear red, like this. If the article on the other end exists, it will appear like this. I hope this helps. You can play around in the sandbox to try out stuff. I hope this helps. :) -- Stwalkerster talk 20:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually the situation here is that Theo Geisel currently exists as a redirect to Dr. Seuss, and LewM appears to be asking how to make Theo Geisel into a page about the Theo Geisel who is the director of the Max Planck Institute for Dynamics and Self-Organization and Professor of Theoretical Physics at the University of Göttingen. It sounds as if we need to turn Theo Geisel from a redirect into a disambiguation page, and that's a bit much for a first-time Wikipedia contributor to tackle unaided, I should think. --Teratornis 22:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Delete

How do you delete pages that you have created?

Insert {{db-g7}} at the top of the page. - Zeibura ^(Talk) 19:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply: That dosen't work.

It did work. What you did was added a tag for it to be deleted by an Administrator, as normal users like you and me can't delete things. This is because one needs to gain the communities' trust before being allowed to delete things. If you wait for an administrator to come along, it will be deleted (it shouldn't be long...) :) -- Stwalkerster talk 20:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Voila! Deletion Log entry:
20:11, 13 July 2007 Gadfium (Talk | contribs) deleted "Artmonk" (content was: '{{db-g7}}' (and the only contributor was 'Danny999911'))

Page was deleted

I created a page and yes it took me HOURS to do. I know these pages aren't for promotion which is why no specials were included and there were only links to exterior web sights for specials. Basically the page was a description of the bar with some pictures and the logos. The reason for deletion was this:

"Lucy's Retired Surfer's Bar" (g11 advertising content was: '<!-- Please do not remove or change this AfD message until the issue is settled -->{{AfDM|page=Lucy's Retired Surfer's Bar|date=2007 July 13|... What does this mean?

Also the previous page, (which linked to this) entitled "Marshall Street" was shortened dramatically. And doing this not only disables a person to get to this link, but many other business's links as well. Why was this shortened? It says "list of local businesses long." (or something like that) I did add a few more establishments, but it wasn't that much longer to begin with and some of the information was incorrect and out-dated. That page was like that for months and no one had a problem with it. But as soon as I made some changes that needed to be made, it's now "too long." Well before it was "innaccurate." Which is worse? I undid this because the information I supplied was accurate and informative. I've lived near the area for 34 years and know this to be true.

Lucysbar 20:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucy's Retired Surfer's Bar - multiple editors felt that the article was blatant advertising, and on viewing the deleted page (as an administrator, I can do that) I'm inclined to agree that the article promoted the establishment. The debate was closed early because it was evident that the page was eligible for speedy deletion. Nihiltres^(t.l) 21:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

And the list won't have been alright before you changed it, it's just that the right people hadn't noticed until you changed it :-P Skittle 21:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Somebody, not me, requested that I should be sent a new password. What is going on?

Hi!

In mail from Wikipedia (wiki@wikimedia.org) there was the following:

Someone (probably you, from IP address 200.121.200.197) requested that we send you a new Wikipedia login password for en.wikipedia.org.

Now, this is not my IP-number.

I did a quick whois on cygwin and got the following output (copied from screen):

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

/cygdrive/c/cygwin/home$ whois 200.121.200.11

% Joint Whois - whois.lacnic.net

% This server accepts single ASN, IPv4 or IPv6 queries

% Copyright LACNIC lacnic.net

% The data below is provided for information purposes

% and to assist persons in obtaining information about or

% related to AS and IP numbers registrations

% By submitting a whois query, you agree to use this data

% only for lawful purposes.

% 2007-07-13 15:44:04 (BRT -03:00)

inetnum: 200.121.200.0/25

status: reallocated

owner: PE-TDPERX3-LACNIC

ownerid: PE-PETD9-LACNIC

responsible: Telefonica del Peru

address: Av. San Felipe 1144 Surquillo, 1144, edi A

address: 34 - Lima -

country: PE

phone: +51 1 210-6771 []

owner-c: GRT2

tech-c: GRT2

created: 20040924

changed: 20040924

inetnum-up: 200.121.192/19

inetnum-up: 200.121.128/17

nic-hdl: GRT2

person: Gestion Dir. IP Telefónica del Perú

e-mail: gestionip@TELEFONICA.NET.PE

address: Calle San Felipe 1144, 1144,

address: LI34 - Lima - LI

country: PE

phone: +51 1 2106771 []

created: 20021204

changed: 20030923

% whois.lacnic.net accepts only direct match queries.

% Types of queries are: POCs, ownerid, CIDR blocks, IP

% and AS numbers.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Can anyone tell me what is going on, please? This does seem scary.

All the best Io 21:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

You already understand what's happened. Indeed, someone who is not you has requested a change on your password. And you, and not they, have received that email. I forget the current content of the email you received, but I'm sure it says something like "if it wasn't you, don't worry, nothing will happen". As it wasn't you, don't worry, nothing will happen. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

(ec) That's happened to me a couple times, too. Don't worry about it; anyone can send any user a new password by simply entering a username in the box at Special:Userlogin, then clicking "Email new password". — Malcolm ^talk 21:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

(ec) True. If you ever do forget your password, you can request a new one, but the one you'll receive will just be temporary. If you don't use it, and continue to log on with your existing one, the "new" password will expire after a few days. (That means that you don't need to worry about the chances of someone guessing a possible password for you just because you have 500 working passwords instead of one!) If you log on with the new one (and only you can do that, as Wikipedia only send it to the email address that is already registered in the name of the user that the password requester claims to be), you'll be told to choose a new password before you resume editing. In other words, the one sent by email is not a permanent one. It seems scary, but it really isn't. ElinorD (talk) 21:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks guys and girl! :-)

Actually I did change my password, just in case, but I have never forgotten a password. (But has any of you experienced that you can't write your password down on paper, only type it - it's in the fingers somehow?) I hope I'm not betraying any secrets of the trade, but my method is to take a random line of poetry, pick out the initial letters and then substitute upper-case letters, numerals or other symbols, where appropriate. My password at my second last place of emloyment got the verdict unbreakable. (They ran checks every now and then.) But thanks all and cheers Io 22:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

One thing, Elinor: there is no way you could have 500 working passwords. MediaWiki only stores the "real" password (the one you use for login) and one temporary password. If you request a new password, and click the button twice, two emails are sent: the first one, with the first temporary password, will become invalid as soon as the second one is sent. If you try to use the token sent in the first email, MediaWiki will not accept it. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 00:38, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Someone's plea

please can you tell me about may mother he have a metastasis hepar .can you tell me somethong becouse her body was be yellow color please tell me somethink bay she live or not—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.80.161.154 (talk • contribs).

Added the heading - we got into an edit conflict. Cheers Io 22:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. :) -- Stwalkerster talk 22:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Just to make it clear, the original question was not mine. I just added a header. :-) Cheers Io 22:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Not trying to be mean or anything but you should also see the medical disclaimer. We do not give medical advice. Sorry. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 04:44, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

July 14

Question

I am a registered member of Wikipedia, However I have forgotten my password and got a new one mailed to me but it isnt working what do I do next?63.215.26.215 01:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

If the email hasn't come yet, try sending another one. If that doesn't work, then, I guess you will just have to register a new account. Sebi _[talk] 08:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

silver quaters

what is a 1960 silver quater worth 01:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)01:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

E-bay puts them at about a buck a piece, less if you're buying bulk ([5] [6] [7] [8]). --Ybbor^Talk 02:42, 14 July 2007

(UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Kevinwong913 ^{Speak out loud!} 18:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

how do i write an artical?

how do i write an artical?

To write an article first search for it using the search box. If it exists, start from there, if it dosen't, click the create this page link and start editing. If you do create a new article, make sure the subject meets notability guidelines and is well sourced. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 04:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

You'll also find Wikipedia:Your first article useful. Harryboyles 04:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

See also Help:Starting a new page :) Peacent 14:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Australasia or Oceania

While browsing Legal drinking age I noticed a category for part of the world entitled "Australasia (formerly Oceania)". Does Wpedia have a policy on naming the region consisting of Australia, NZ and the Pacific islands? Mhicaoidh 06:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

This gets discussed at Talk:Oceania. I think most people see a difference between Australasia and Oceania, although both are rather fuzzy terms.-gadfium 08:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Written permission

If a website requests "written permission" to use their material, does that mean I have to write a handwritten letter to them for a request or would an e-mail suffice? NorthernThunder 07:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

See: Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission which does seem to say an e-mail response would suffice, but according to that document we need permission from the copyright holder to publish under the GFDL or similar license which allows unlimited copying by others. --Teratornis 10:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppetry

A new user with no previous edit history had placed a deletion tag in the article Prashant Tamang (the article had been featured in DYK part of Main Page). Can this be a case of sock puppetry? Thank you.--Eukesh 10:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Seem like a new editor acting in good faith. In any case, it's best not to make assumptions, please try discussing the issue with them. Peacent 14:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Project reports in marketing

I am looking for project report (copies) in marketing for my MBA course.

Please can you help me out in getting it

This question is too vague for me to understand. It sounds like a homework question. On the Help desk, we answer questions about using Wikipedia. Marketing is a very broad field. If you could be more specific about the course you are taking, someone might be able to guess what sort of project report you mean, and tell you whether Wikipedia has any articles that might help you. --Teratornis 17:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I created my first entry but...

when I go there the text shows up as a single, long horizontal line.

The entry is "Fred Weintraub"

(It also shows his last name as weintraub, not Weintraub)

Where did I go wrong?

Thanks, StanFlouride 14:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I've corrected the name, I don't see any problem with the text. --ST47Talk 14:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The problem was that a line in Fred Weintraub started with a space. This causes special formatting. It was fixed a few minutes before ST47 got there. PrimeHunter 15:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

User contributions disappearing

I've noticed that if someone edits an article that is subsequently deleted, all records of their edits disappear from their list of user contributions. Is that desirable or necessary? (Why not just turn all the diffs red or something?) What is to stop an admin PRODding an article and then deleting it themselves five days later? In fact what is to stop them just saying that they PRODded it, since there remains no record (AFAICS) of their edits?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Admins recently gained the ability to review a user's deleted contributions, and it was always possible for an admin to review the history and content of a deleted article. --ST47Talk 14:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

baggage

Is there any storage facilities, lockers, or anywhere to leave luggage at the airport for a few days? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.156.131.32 (talk)

You can probably phone the airport to find out. Sancho 16:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

This is the help desk for the encyclopedia Wikipedia. We are not associated with any airline or airport. PrimeHunter 17:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Sources

In the article Dunewood All the data was observed by me. How do I cite that? Thedjatclubrock :) (talk) 17:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

You can't. All material on Wikipedia has to conform to the no original research policy, which basically says that everything that is published here must have been published somewhere else before it is published on Wikipedia. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 17:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Same question

Where do i go to request two articles' histories to be merged as one was altered and then redirected to the other instead of a simple page move...? Simply south 18:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:SPLICE.--Fuhghettaboutit 18:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

World Trade Organization

What did the WTO Uruguay Round of 1994 accomplish?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.5.43 (talk • contribs)

Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit 19:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Greatest baseball play

–What is considered the Greatest Play ever made in baseball?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.246.15.57 (talk • contribs)

Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit 19:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Correcting Title

I've created a page, and inadvertantly used a lower case in the title unstead of an uppper. I've checked the help pages, but can't find anything on correcting a title... all I need to do is change one letter from lower to upper case, can you help me?

Thanks, Jazzzzy

It must be moved to the correct title. New/Unregistered users can't do this, but if you post the article title here and what you want it to be, I'm sure someone will do it for you.—WAvegetarian (talk) 20:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Jazzzzy

Editing Wikipedia

I am new to wikipedia and i joined today. I edited girls aloud and spice girls and mcfly pages. I added some external links to spice girls page for example and they werent to my sites they were to a forum about spice girls and to their myspace and they were deleted as spam?? why? I also added lyrics to a new girls aloud song page and they were deleted. I was wondering why if i am allowed to edit then when i do why does the changes get removed. The main problem is that you assumed i was spamming when i wasnt —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cjbiom (talk • contribs).

Wikipedia has many policies and guidelines. It can take some time to learn them and you will always risk being reverted by other editors. Others may for example have considered your edits to be against Wikipedia:External links, Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Lyrics and poetry. Some editors use the word "spam" about many forms of inappropriate content no matter what was the intention behind adding it. PrimeHunter 22:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

It is possible for other editors to be wrong in their interpretation of policies and guidelines, especially when their edit summaries do not link to specific sections in the Wikipedia manuals. However, as the policies and guidelines tend to be non-intuitive for most new users, new users tend to get them wrong more than experienced users. On Wikipedia the manuals are very extensive, so it should usually be possible to find a clear ruling to handle almost every conceivable editing situation that comes up, and when two editors have a dispute, the one with the best knowledge of the manuals tends to "win." The vast majority of Wikipedia's productive editors seem to agree that the only way 47,765,909 registered users (and millions more unregistereds) can work together is to have clearly-written rules to govern every case that comes up (and if a dispute comes up with no rule to cover it, we work out more rules for it). --Teratornis 08:00, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Adding Links

If a page is about a specific artist can you add links to the external links part at the bottom to sites that are about them without them then being deleted? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cjbiom (talk • contribs).

Make sure that they don't break the guidelines at WP:EL, then feel free to add them. --ST47Talk 22:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Generally, fansites are not good sites to add, especially discussion forums. --ST47Talk 22:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Please sign your messages here with ~~~~ at the end. I see you also posted in the above section. PrimeHunter 23:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Greatest Play ever made in baseball with the American Flag involved

–What is considered the Greatest Play ever made in baseball with the American Flag involved. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.246.15.57 (talk • contribs).

Earlier today you got the reply:

Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter 00:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like the answer to a trivia question, although the wording of the question is pretty POV. The answer they're looking for is probably April 25, 1976: Cubs outfielder and future Dodger Rick Monday rescues a flag from two fans who are attempting to burn it in the outfield at Dodger Stadium., though I, personally, disagree with the POV of the question. Corvus cornix 22:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Looking for a Magic word or Variable.

Is there a magic word or variable that gives you the amount of days before a certain date?  Tcrow777  talk  23:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

{{age in days}} gives the number of days between two dates or from a date until today. It gives a negative result for future days, but you can take the absolute value with {{Abs}} to get the positive number of days from today until a given date. For example, {{Abs|{{Age in days|month1=7 |day1=15 |year1=2008}}}} evaluates to 5864. PrimeHunter 00:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! You can see what I did with it here.  Tcrow777  talk  01:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Getting strange E-mails from Wikipedia...

Hi, I don't know if this is the correct place to ask this, but here goes. I've recently got two e-mails apparently from Wikipedia (the sending address was wiki@wikimedia.org), they both stated that "someone" form an IP address has requested that a new password be sent to me. Now I didn't request any new password or anything like that, so I'm somewhat confused and suspicious of where this has come from. I got the first message on the 25th of June, and it stated the request came from the IP address 68.4.248.235. I got a second message on the 12th of July saying exactly the same thing, except it was from IP address 195.142.234.66. Now I've just tried to see if these are users on Wiki, and it turns out they are, User: 68.4.248.235 is a one-time editor who was editing on the 25th of June, and User: 195.142.234.66 seems also to be a one-time (and apparently vandalistic) editor, though he only edited on the 20th of March. It seems that these two people have requested that my account password be changed, but how they did this and for what purpose, I don't know. Can anyone offer an explanation? Is this something that's known to happen? Thanks. BTW my account doesn't seem to have been affected, as I can log on fine with my standard password. --Hibernian 00:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry. A similar question was asked above at #Somebody, not me, requested that I should be sent a new password. What is going on?; read the replies and your question should be answered. — Malcolm ^talk 00:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok. So I guess it's nothing to worry about then, thanks. --Hibernian 03:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

What are "Notable Natives"

I have seen the subtopic "Notable Natives" in articles about cities. What are the criteria for being a "Native?" Specifically, does this mean the person was born in this city or could they have been born somewhere else and lived in the city their whole life, or a substantial portion of their life? Reservoirhill 00:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The word "natives" literally means "born there", but if the person spent much of his or her childhood there (before becoming famous), that counts as a native for our purposes, too. Shalom ^Hello 02:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Which is why "notable residents" is usually a better choice. Just my $0.02. Ingolfson 13:34, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I've decided to retitle the section "Notable Natives and Residents" to cover all the bases. Reservoirhill 14:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

adding yourself to wikipedia

dear wikipedia i was wandering if it would be possible of adding myself to wikipedia thanks.

Once you become a notable person, it shouldn't take long before someone creates an article on you. Otherwise, no, go to WikiBios instead. — Kieff | Talk 01:00, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Please see also WP:BIO, and be aware of WP:COI. Peacent 01:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

CSS issue

How come #p-cactions li, #p-cactions li.selected { min-height: 30px !important; } in my monobook.css doesn't work? I'm using Firefox, so there should be no lack of client support, and I don't see any other tags that would override the min-height. NeonMerlin 01:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Updating A Photo

I have a photo of the new boys playing Spike Lavery(I'm there mom!) I was curious as to how I can get the photo on the page for Spike Lavery? I don't have a copyright but I took the picture myself AND they are also on the cover of Soap Opera weekly in the bottom right corner of the July 24th edition. Thank you for your help. Sincerely, Bonnie EcksteinSunflwrr629 02:41, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Bonnie, and welcome to Wikipedia! :) In order to add a picture here, you need to, first, upload it (see also Wikipedia:Upload), then make sure you provide the appropriate copyright tag (like whether you want to put your image to public domain, etc). Finally, add the link of the image to the article in question, more detailed instructions at Help:Image#Linking. I hope this helps. Peacent 03:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Page Number for PDF files

How to use page numbers for PDF files in references? in my case a single pdf file has been refreenced to multiple pages within, have different reference. Eg; line 1 has reference to pg 6 and again line 5 has reference to pg 10. Unlike havard style book reference how is it possible. Pls see Talk:Kaziranga National Park for seeing the question arised during GAC. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 05:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Fancy meeting you here! ;) As the reviewer that left the recommendation, you would list the ref separately for each use, as opposed to naming it. The only difference would be the page specification. Does that make sense? I hope that's what you're asking. If not, drop a line on my talk page and I'll see what I can do to help. LaraLove 05:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I just counted how many redundant links would be created in this manner, its nearly 15, meaning increasing the page size, which we are trying to control. Is there no template as such in which we can just add the page number? Like after <ref name=""/> (a code which adds just the page number would do). Like [14], pp 22-23 I don't know the coding, but i think it wouldn't be hard to make. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 04:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know of any such code. I'm not familiar with your situation but, in general, increasing the size of an article by adding precise and correct references should not be a concern. --ElKevbo 04:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Use {{rp}}, created just for this type of problem. When you first cite the page, you can put in for page numbers "various". After each subsequent cite (i.e. after each iteration of "<ref name="The name you chose before"/>, just add {{rp|page number(s)}}. This will make it so that in the text of the article the footnote citation has a page number appended, while the footnote text itself remains static. As an example, if you were citing to page 16-17 of the .pdf file, and the .pdf file is the third citation in the article, the footnote would look like this: ^[3]:16-17.--Fuhghettaboutit 05:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

How do you flatten categories?

Is there an easy way to flatten categories? I'd like to have people from a city listed automatically in the people from the county category. Berkeley is in Alameda County. Everyone in Berkeley should automatically be listed in the from Alameda County category because Berkeley is in Alameda County. People shouldn't have to double tag articles. I tried looking this question up in the about wikipedia section but it seemed it couldn't be done or I couldn't figure it out. Please post an example or the code I would need to input to flatten categories. Thanks!

Not quite what you're asking for, but you can run queries to get a list of articles in a category and its subcategories. See m:User:Duesentrieb/CatScan.-gadfium 20:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

About a month ago, I wrote a basic class (in Java) that does this; see flatCat.java. Gracenotes^T § 20:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Is there an easier way to do flatten categories? I don't really read the program you created that well. Is there an example I can copy?

You may be in doubt about how Wikipedia categories work here. If an article is tagged as being in X town, it is AUTOMATICALLY BUT INDIRECTLY also sorted as being in Y county, and Z country (because the category for X town has an upward link to Y county, which has an upward link to Z country). The same way, a biography tagged 'marine biologist of New Zealand' would automatically be sorted into higher categories like 'scientist', 'marine biologist', 'scientists in New Zealand' etc... However, only the 'lowest', most specific category will actually appear on the article.

As per Wikipedia rules, you are NOT to add the categories for Y county and Z country in addition to the X town category - because that would clutter the categories higher up with 'unsorted' articles. Trust me, if you work some time with Wikipedia articles, you will come to understand the reason - it took me some time to accept it myself. Eventually, I am sure, Wiki software will enable you to set your preferences to display all the higher categories if you want to. Until then... Ingolfson 13:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

See Semantic wiki for a possible future development in wiki software which may one day render MediaWiki's present system of categories obsolete, or smoothly extend their flexibility. In the meantime, MediaWiki hackers are working on some category extensions which may be of interest to the questioner. Side note to the original questioner: you say you "would like to have people from a city listed automatically in the people from the county category." Why do you want this list? Are you really just trying to search for a few particular people? (Asking how to do something which is merely one means to your real goal creates a red herring which may prevent you from getting the best answer to do what you really want. When constructing questions for the Help desk, it's important to think past the things you have tried so far, and try to clearly state what your ultimate goal is.) If so, see #Multiple categories above, and Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 June 13#Intersect to categories (sic). There are probably more options for searching Wikipedia than for changing the arrangement of data on it. --Teratornis 15:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Answer to comments

I'm not really interested in searching for anyone. I want people that are tagged as people from a city to automatically appear in the from county category. This is not a matter of just a town or a county. I want this list on the "from county" categories to be accurate. Currently, these categories are inaccurate because they only include people who are tagged directly as being from a county even though they might be from a city within a given county. Everyone in California is from both from both a city and a county, with the exception of SF because the geography of both overlap. California has over 35 "from a county in California" subdivisions and all the cities should link to the counties and to the state like a tree. I guess I'll just list the cities in the counties as subcategories.

Adding Info

I keep adding info -just text- not links and when i go back to the page it is deleted. E.g. i have added the new tour onto the girls aloud page twice as they are supporting the new spice girls tour and when i go back to the tour section a couple of hours later it is gone? i dont understand when people can edit but the hard work they do if then deleted without letting you know why...

I assume you're referring to Girls Aloud. Perhaps because the material in question is unreferenced? You might need to contact the editors who've reverted your edits should you have doubt. Peacent 10:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Interest Emblems?

How can I find and add interest emblems to my "User:Sensei48" page? Can't find directions anywhere. Sensei48 10:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)Sensei48

Ah you're talking about userboxes - go to WP:BOX for details. Andrewjd 12:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

Slut Night

I am trying to nominate Slut Night for deletion but it won't appear properly on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2007 July 15.

What am I doing wrong ?

Can you put it right ?

Tovojolo 10:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Fixed by User:Blueboy96. Peacent 13:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Revd John Comper and Harry Townsend

I have just submitted two articles for which I have non-copyright pictures of each subect. Can they be used?

Stuart Donald

Your question is unclear. a) Do YOU have the copyright to those images? b) Don't you know what the copryright is of the images? c) Do you know that there is no copyright on them (Public domain). Please clarify first. Ingolfson 13:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:24/7 Film Festival - talk page technical question

I recently created the 24/7 Film Festival article. On the talk page at Talk:24/7 Film Festival, there is a link to the talk page of the 24 article, because the software thinks its a subpage of said articles talk. Is there any way to ensure the software does not treat it as such? Ingolfson 13:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Nah, see Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Do not use an article name that suggests a hierarchy of articles. You might want to move the article to something like 24-7 ... or leave the talk page as it it. Peacent 13:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Ahem, its the official name of the film festival. May I note that the 24/7 article (for 24 hour, 7 days a week availability - from which term the film festival gets the name) has the same problem. You'd be suggesting that we rename the 24/7 article as well? I think not. Ingolfson 13:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Then the title stays as it is. No worries. :) Peacent 13:37, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I put a message on Talk:9 to avoid confusion, but I don't know whether it's a good idea. PrimeHunter 22:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

highlighting

For some reason or another, highlighted links that I have not clicked are purple instead of blue. I've already tried erasing my history and clicking refresh. Any ideas? Thanks. -- AJ24 14:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean all of the links or just some of them? On Wikipedia or other sites as well? Andrewjd 15:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Just on a few links and just on Wikipedia. It's never happened before so I wonder if it's a setting I changed. Usually, if I erase my history and then click refresh it will return to blue. Thanks again. -- AJ24 19:38, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

ETO Ban

Plese let me know if Ethylene Oxide Sterilisation is banned in United States. Tnks

That question would be better off in the Reference Desk, who deal with that kind of question. Andrewjd 15:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

It wont work

When ever i edit something, Wikipedia doesn't let me put it on. Instead, they make up there own and there is untrue stop in theres. Mines true. In the Weavile pokemon section, it say Weaviles carve into trees and ice to send signals but knowhere does it say that. So I wrote about how to evolve it instead, but the changed it back to what they wrote

Take a look at the history ([9]) It's not wikipedia that's not letting you put anything in, it's other users judging your edits as nonsense. Please discuss changes you make to this article prior to editing. --Ouzo 17:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

deletion question

how do i delete an article that I created, since I no longer wish for it to be in the wikipedia database?

thanks,

Simy96 17:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)simy96

What is the name of the article you created? And it looks, via your contribs, that it may have already been deleted! Regards Dep. Garcia ( Talk + | Help Desk | Complaints ) 17:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

In future, you can tag the article for speedy deletion, by placing {{db-author}} at the top of the page. This will list the article for deletion, and the article will be deleted soon, because the article meets speedy deletion criteria G7, which is "author requests deletion". For more information on speedy deletion, see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. Sebi _[talk] 22:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Posting an Article

Am I allowed to post an article I wrote on a certain topic? And if I am, how can I do it?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Storm Kestrel (talk • contribs).

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.--Fuhghettaboutit 18:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Withdrawal of AfD?

Is it possible to withdraw an AFD. Can I just put a notification and a strikethrough?

Thanx in advance,

Kevinwong913 ^{Speak out loud!} 18:44, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess you mean Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Smith (NASCAR). You can strike (like this) your nomination argument with <s>...</s> and post a signed comment saying "withdraw nomination", or "keep" if you now support keep. Another editor may then speedy close the AfD if nobody has said delete at the time. PrimeHunter 21:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Help..

Image:Reichstag House Of Parliament.jpg

I need this image deleting, I have an identical copy of the same name at commons. Plus it is incorrectly named, so no point in redirecting it there, as I want that removed to. If this is deleted I will upload a correctly named version at commons (under the same use rationale)

thanks Fethroesforia 18:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Plus the exact same situation with this image Image:Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp Front Gate.jpg

Take a look at Images and Media for Deletion for instructions on what to do :) Andrewjd 19:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks:) I might do the easy way and remove images from commons and keep here, its a real long and annoying process shifting them all, and 5 days! Fethroesforia 19:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

It would be better if you kept it on Commons, since then they can be accessed by all the Wikimedia projects in all languages, although I don't know what their non-free rules are. If you upload them first, you can tag the images here with a speedy deletion template {{ncd}} and they'll be taken care of. Confusing Manifestation 22:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism Accusation

24.182.142.254 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Alucard (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I have been accused of vandalism on the Albany, New York article today (July 15) by Alucard, I assume he is an official editor or something, I'm not sure, but apparently the only reason I can see is that he doesnt like the edit I did removing reference that the CDTA manages the Albany International Airport (it does not, anyone can go to the airports website and see that) he also changed back my edit that put in the history of the airport further explaining who owned it and such. I dont think that its a good atmosphere to have when someone can accuse you of vandalism simply because they dont like your info

The best thing to do in a case like this is to talk to the editor (which I see you have done) and discuss it, as well as discussing the changes on the discussion page for Albany. It doesn't appear to be vandalism to me but I do not know the subject enough to comment. In regards to the CTDA management, if you cite the source then the information will appear more valid. Also to point out, there is not such thing as an 'official' editor, anyone can add the vandalism templates to pages, every editor is an official editior. If no agreement can be reached, come back here. I hope this helps :) Andrewjd 19:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Well I doubt that he is an official anything, since he doesn't seem to have a userpage. If you are accused of vandalism innaccurately stand your ground. If an edit war breaks out, call for am influential person to come and help out. Smaug 19:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, I replied on User talk:24.182.142.254. Shalom ^Hello 19:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I think they mean me...  :-) Just for the record, I was not the one doing the warning today. My previous warnings to this IP were about something different and that was erasing discussion from the Talk page of an article while POV editing the part of the article under discussion. This happened three times, despite warnings. I realise that it could well have been a different person using the same IP address. So I think the poster may have got a bit confused... -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 01:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Making an infobox or table

I would like to know how to make an infobox or table, such that it has 3 columns, where the left two columns have the data and the right one spans all the rows and contains an image. How do I do this? I have extensively searched documentation on here and cannot get this to work. Thanks. Smaug 19:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Replied on User talk:Dragon Smaug. Shalom ^Hello 19:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Smaug 20:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

nuclear power plant

cost and unit of production for a moderate nuclear power plant to generate electricity ?

see Economics of new nuclear power plants.-- Finlay McWalter | Talk 19:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Andrewjd 19:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Quicksearch Wikipedai

I used to have a great wikipedia tool on my previous laptop. It allowed me to search wikipedia quickly by simply typing "w" in the browser address bar, followed by a space and then whatever term/s I wanted information on. How do I download it again? 41.241.36.47 21:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

It was most likely an add-on for your browser. You could do a search at Firefox's addons page for "wikipedia", and you are bound to find something. Sebi _[talk] 22:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I've got the same thing set up on Firefox. It's not an add-on, it's just a shortcut. Open the "organise bookmarks" window and create a new bookmark. Set the address to "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%s" and the keyword to "w". --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 09:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Small TOC?

I think I've seen some articles with a smaller Table of Contents section to help conserve space. Is there wikicode to accomplish this, or am I deceiving myself... --ZimZalaBim (talk) 21:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

See: Category:TOC templates; especially those that start with "compact".--Fuhghettaboutit

Thanks! --ZimZalaBim (talk) 21:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...those all seem to be for easy alphabetic organization. I'm hoping to find something that can simply make the standard section-based TOC smaller, and simply using <small> tags with a __TOC__ command doesn't seem to do the trick. Any other suggestions? --ZimZalaBim (talk) 22:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Um, what about: <div style="font-size: 8pt">__TOC__</div> or similar? Sebi _[talk] 22:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just hoping there was already a template or some wikicode to do that, rather than relying on HTML. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 22:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Userboxes?

I recently recieved a note from another user about my userbox that states I dislike country music. Do I have to remove this, because 1) I didn't create it, and 2) Stating your opinions is one of the uses of userboxes, as far as I know? Should it be removed? ~Crowstar~ 21:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:User page#What may I not have on my user page?. User:UBX/Country music sucks doesn't merely say you dislike country music. It could be interpreted as negative towards people who like country music, and I think the text is too much. PrimeHunter 22:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Userboxes says "Userboxes must not include blatant incivility or personal attacks" and "Userboxes must not be intentionally inflammatory or divisive", but I hardly think having a anti country music userbox would include blatant incivility, personal attacks, or be intentionally inflammatory or divisive :) Just ignore Mary. Sebi _[talk] 22:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I was referring to this userbox that says: "This user believes that mankind cannot progress unless Country Music is eliminated.†" In my previous post, I had also linked to the Wikipedia guidelines for designing userboxes in addition to the POV. HERE is the link to the userbox content guidelines. Thanks. Marycontrary 10:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

If country music should be eliminated, then does that mean that the musicians that perform country music should be eliminated? How does one propose to do this and would that really help mankind to progress? What does that say about a person who posts a userbox that claims to desire the elimination an entire population of people that happen to create, perform or enjoy country music? Marycontrary 12:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It depends how you define "eliminate", perhaps the idea is just to relocate them to the East. :)

(This discussion is certainly one for the books!) --CliffC 19:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Attention folks now read closely please, I - Marycontary, did not say that anyone had to remove the userbox. What does not seem to fit with all of the guidelines pointed out by so many editors, is that it does not seem necessary to say that mankind cannot progress unless country music is eliminated. I was requesting that the users modify it, or not use it but I didn't type anything about removing it (as I don't know that I can since I am not an administrator). Wouldn't it be acceptable to say that Country Music gives you a headache? To claim that there is no way possible for mankind to progress unless this one type of music is eliminated, hmmm... Userboxes can have a sense of humor, just not as fun when at the expensive of someone like me, who is holding up the progress of all of mankind simply because I play country music on my guitar and sing it too. But what if I find a userbox that states mankind cannot progress unless musicals are eliminated? Well it appears I am doomed... Wikipedia defines progress. Marycontrary 01:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

This is the only "I dislike country music" userbox I saw. We need a new one. I'm helpless with userboxes... ~Crowstar~^{crow calls} 00:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Userboxes#Content says:

Avoid negative verb phrases which can be potentially divisive:

• dislikes, hates, loathes

Also avoid compound sentences which are positive and negative, such as:

• This user likes <noun phrase>, but does not like <another noun phrase>.

Essentially: Express what you like, rather than what you don't like. Express who you are, rather than who you aren't.

PrimeHunter 00:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

commons help

I need commons help urgently, an administrator is needed now! please? Fethroesforia 21:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

You need to use Commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Attention to communicate with commons admins; en.wikipedia admins generally aren't commons admins, and vice versa. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I tried but no response, and its pretty urgent, images uploaded with wrong rationale and they wont let me change and now the ownder if spouting legal stuff! Fethroesforia 21:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Someone has responded. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 22:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Does this Qualify for speedy deletion (unsourced)

Does this Qualify for speedy deletion (unsourced) St. Anthony's High School, Long Island Thedjatclubrock :) (talk) 22:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Under what criteria of the WP:CSD page would it fall? Corvus cornix 22:38, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Possibly unsourced? What template? Thedjatclubrock :) (talk)

None. Check the CSD page - only one of the criteria even mentions "unsourced", and that only applies if the article is an attack page, which as far as I can tell this isn't. If an article is unsourced, you can add one (or possibly, but not recommended, more) of the templates at Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles. Confusing Manifestation 00:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

How do I post an article to Wikipedia?

How do I post an article to Wikipedia?

Exposethem 23:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)ExposethemExposethem

See Wikipedia:Your first article. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

You should also see Help:Starting a new page. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 02:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I need an admin..

not for anything related to my image problems (which are being fixed)

but about the 'right to vanish' well..part of it that is taking my interest. any admin help on the topic would be greatly appreciated. Fethroesforia 23:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

m:Right to vanish. Nothing to do with admins. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

If you want to delete your userpage or user talk tag with {{db-userreq}}. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 02:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Forgot my Password

Hello, I am User:GreaterWikiholic. Just a few hours ago I changed my password and forgot it. Would you mind giving me my password back. I forgot to give my EMail because I was not expecting this too happen. Thanks. 75.30.79.158 23:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

We don't have access to your password. If you can't remember it, and you didn't set the email, then I'm afraid you're out of luck, and will have to register a new user name. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Can I keep my edit count, I want to run for admin. 75.30.79.158 00:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I will indicate so on my new userpage. 75.30.79.158 00:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Multiple redirect nominations

There are song articles for almost every song in Les Miserables. Another editor prodded them a day or two ago, and the prod tags were removed. I think they should all be redirected to the main article, that way, should someone search for the song, they'll be brought to the main page. However, I'm pretty sure that doing so would be a contentious move, especially since the prod tags were removed. Should I do a multiple AfD nom and just note that I'm nominating them to be redirected? Or is there some place for redirect nominations? —  MusicMaker 23:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

What you're suggesting is fundamentally a merge (you want to merge the song articles either into the "Les Miserables" article, or maybe into a unified "Songs of Les Miserables" article. You should suggest a merge on the respective talk pages, per the procedure at Wikipedia:Merge#Proposing a merger; doing this with prods and AfDs will only get people's hackles up, leaving you with no consensus to do anything. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

But the current articles on the songs aren't even worthy of being merged into the main article. They're either filled with information already in the main article, unencyclopedic information like key signatures and vocal range, or OR glurges on the mood and feel of the piece. I can't in good conscience propose merging that stuff into the article. —  MusicMaker5376 05:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Trouble with a Wicked Image

I uploaded an image and posted it in Wicked (musical) cast lists. The photographer, Tristam Kenton, allows his images to posted on this website and stated where the image came from. However, the image will still be deleted in a week. How can I fix this problem?

• Based on your Contributions, it looks like you're talking about this image, yes? You have to go to that image's page, click on the "edit" button up the top, and in the text space, add the appropriate licensing template from this list, or possibly this one.

If the photographer has only given permission to use the photo on Wikipedia, then it actually counts as a non-free image, because the aim is to have all content on Wikipedia licensed so that it can be copied anywhere. You may want to ask the photographer whether they would be willing to release the photo under a free content license, such as CC-BY-SA-2.5 or similar. It's probably also worthwhile reading Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for more information. Confusing Manifestation 01:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

• Oh, and when you add the template, you just have to add the text from the left column of the table, for example {{cc-by-sa-2.5}}. That will then put the template on the right in its place. And if you use one of the "non-free" templates, you also need to add a fair use rationale. Confusing Manifestation 01:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

July 16

Checking an IP address of a user?

Hi there, How do I check the IP address of a Wikipedia editor? Looking in a history of previous edits only tells me the username. I checked the logs-- no help there either. thanks, Sazevedo 01:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

You don't. You can, however, put in a request for checkuser, which will allow a checkuser (basically someone with appropriate priveleges) to look at the IP address. Note, however, that you need good reason to request (e.g. you have some evidence of serious abuse of editing priveleges), and in general the checkuser won't tell you the IP, but if you provide both the username and IP will tell you if they are, or are likely to be, the same person. Confusing Manifestation 01:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) To find out the IP address of a Wikipedia editor (not an anonymous one), you need to have a checkuser done by someone with checkuser access. You must also have a valid reason for it and file a request for checkuser. The requests page and the valid reasons is available here. --(Review Me) R ^ParlateContribs_@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 01:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Birth certificate

I would like to know how I can go about ordering a copy of my birth Certicate, I was told I need it to get a passport. Please get back to me as soon as possable. Thank you Martha Duran Borowski

• Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. You may also want to be more specific, since procedures may vary from country to country, and even state to state. Confusing Manifestation 01:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

handy footnotes to reference linking

I remember having seen an article with both a footnotes (for brief citations) and a reference (for full descriptions of books) section, with the book titles in the footnotes sections linked to the relevant book in the reference section. (That is, when you clicked on the title in the brief footnote, it zapped you to the full record later down in the reference section.) I thought this was quite useful, but now I've forgotten which article it was. Can anyone explain how to do this or (preferably) just point me to an article where it has been done already? Thanks! Calliopejen1 02:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure. When I rewrote endgame tablebase, someone showed me how to do it. There are about 30 article references in the "html" format and two books in the "Harvard" format. Shalom ^Hello 03:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Charles Darwin has inline refs, which bring you down to the "Citations" section, which then include a link to the book references, where it has the full citation for the book. Sebi _[talk] 03:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much! Charles Darwin was the article I had seen, too. Calliopejen1 03:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

LAMP stack

Does Wikipedia run on the LAMP stack? (ie PHP Mysql Linux Apache?) Is there somewhere we can see the technical details on how Wikipedia runs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.2.10.213 (talk • contribs).

I'll answer my own question, the answer is yes and you can find more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Technical_FAQ#What_software_is_used_to_run_Wikipedia.3F

If you want to try running MediaWiki as your own personal wiki (for experimenting, study, sophisticated note-taking, etc.), see: mw:Manual:Wiki on a stick (for example, I run MediaWiki under XAMPP on Microsoft Windows and Fedora Core). See WP:DUMP if you want to try running your own local copy of Wikipedia (and you have plenty of disk space on your computer). You can also shorten the link you gave above as: Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#What software is used to run Wikipedia?. The documentation here is very good; since you already know how to find the FAQ pages, you can figure everything out just by reading. But it takes a while. --Teratornis 06:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I also suggest you create an account on Wikipedia as well as on Meta and on mediawiki.org if you decide to learn to be a MediaWiki administrator. That way you can more easily communicate with other MediaWiki administrators about your questions and problems. See for example: mw:Project:Support desk. And by the way, the MediaWiki software is impressive, you will not regret the time you spend investigating it; however, MediaWiki may or may not be the best choice if you want to set up a corporate wiki. And of course click on every link I gave and read all those pages. --Teratornis 06:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

HELP!!

I NEED TO FIND THE PAGE "HELP DESK"!ALSO, HOW DO I MAKE A CONTRIBUTION??!!

You are on the help desk. TO make a contribution, find a page you like and click edit and improe it. It's that simple. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 07:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Deleting a link

In the page named "bangladeshi politicians", i find the name of 'bangla bhai', a most wanted terrorist hung to death for terrorism. He was never a politician. However, I cannot delete 'bangla bhai's link from the "bangladeshi politician" page. help me out please.Ratibgreat 07:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

There doesn't appear to be a page named "bangladeshi politicians", nor a "Politicians of Bangladesh" or something similar. We'll be able to help you further if you link to the page. Thanks, Yanksta x 07:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I saw a category:Bangladeshi politicians and Bangla Bhai is an article and he is categorized as being a politician. Before changing or removing the category from the article though, you may want to discuss your ideas at Talk:Bangla Bhai. Hope this helps.CindyBo^talk 08:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

map of the world - use in a report

To the help desk,

Would it be possible to use an edited version of the map of the world shown in Wikipedia in a research paper which will be published in hard copy and on the internet for public consumption ?

194.221.212.165 09:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not quite clear what you mean by 'the map of the world' shown in Wikipeidia, WP contains literally hundreds of different maps of the world.

If the map you are refering to is an image, have a look at the copyrigth-tag of the image to figure out what you are allowed to do with it, and on what conditions. (most images on WikiPedia are under free licenses that allow the kind of use you are mentioning, but not all, so check first)

--Eivind Kjørstad 10:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Links to a different person, same name

I was reading an article about a French film. There was a link to an actress named Catherine Jacob. But the details on that page were for a completely different person. Now I don't have enough information to create a page for the actress but maybe somebody does. I noticed that 8 other pages link to Catherine Jacob, all refer to French cinema. And there is a Catherine jacob (sic) redirect page. I have never tried editing anything in wikipedia yet, so if I create a disambiguation page do I need to update all the links as well? Or can I change the exisiting page to a disambiguation page while also renaming the current details to something like Catherine-Jacob-UK-TV-presenter? Nadialan 10:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

All the links pointing to Catherine Jacob (found via What links here in the left-hand navigation bar) were for the actress, so I've changed them all to [[Catherine Jacob (actress)|]]. (The | is a pipe which means the link points to Catherine Jacob (actress) buts displays as Catherine Jacob.)

Also, you shouldn't change the existing page to a disambiguation page and re-create the ITV correspondent's article (as this loses the continuity of the history, which also causes legal problems related to attributing the contributors). Instead, if necessary, move it to something like Catherine Jacob (broadcaster) (that's specific enough as I can only find two people so named). Before doing this, though, I'd suggest you propose the move on Talk:Catherine Jacob, explaining why you don't think the broadcaster is the primary meaning (that nearly everyone would be looking for) and leave it a few days in case anyone disagrees. I'd also suggest you, first, create a stub at Catherine Jacob (actress) to justify creating a disambiguation page.

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 11:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

BTW, I wouldn't worry about Catherine jacob. It is common to link common misspellings or miscapitalisations to the correct article to make things easier for users. In this case (of all lower case to initial capitals), the server would automatically redirect anyone who used all lower-case in the search box to the correct article without that redirect been needed (making it not particularly helpful to create such a redirect), but it isn't doing any harm and might be useful for people who put all the lower-case version in a wikilink or as a URI in their browser. —Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 11:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Good catch on spotting this, BTW. Actually, a slight correction, in that, as it would seem (based on this Google search) that these two are probably the only Catherine Jacob's of notability, it is customary in such cases to just link the more common target (even if it isn't the primary meaning) to the less common one using a hatnote so only half the users have to go through a disambiguation page. Google suggests to me that the actress is more common (at least on the Web). Doing it that way has the advantage that you only have to do a simple move of the current article. As there hasn't been much contribution to the current article, I'd say you could get away with not proposing the move, actually, though it is a good practice to get into (particularly in cases like this were you are putting something new were the article used to be, making reversion difficult).

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 12:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Is there a "blame" function ?

Hi !

Is there an easy way in Wikipedia for figuring out who added a certain part of an article and in what revision ? Something similar to "svn blame" or "cvs blame" for those of you familiar with version-control ?

Yeah, I can binary-search, but is seems a hassle. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eivind (talk • contribs).

You can try User:AmiDaniel/WhodunitQuery. I haven't used it. Funny message to not sign. A joke? PrimeHunter 11:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I wish. I quite simply forgot. --Eivind Kjørstad 09:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Who 'owns' a picture?

Because i have some pictures that were taken on my camera. some were taken by myself, others i got the help of a close relative to take them. Does this make some of the images his? or are they mine because they were on my camera, i just was a bit shaky and wanted some help with taking some pictures. I cannot also distinguish which pictures are mine and which he took due to it being a fair amount of time ago. Fethroesforia 11:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

We can't give you legal advice. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 11:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

who mentioned legal advice, im wondering who owns a picture so it can be uploaded to wikipedia. Fethroesforia 11:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

You asked who owns a given picture in some complex circumstance; that's a legal copyright question, and one we're not going to answer for you. If you don't know for sure who owns a picture, don't upload it to Wikipedia. You've already wasted enough administrator time here and on commons because of your unwillingness to truthfully represent the copyright status of images; please don't waste more uploading images that you thing you might possibly own. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 12:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It is very common for people to claim copyright on images (e.g.: of themselves) which were taken with their camera (which they set up) by someone else. Whether that is legal is something you'd have to check up in your jurisdiction's legislation and case law, or with a lawyer.

The best thing to do would be to just ask the relative to transfer any copyrights to you (you wouldn't even need to get that in writing, at least not where I am in the UK, but, obviously, you'd want it that way unless it is someone you're sure won't kick up a fuss afterwards). Then you say on the image page that it was a joint work of you and that person but all copyrights are in your hands.

BTW, Finlay McWalter, "your unwillingness to truthfully represent the copyright status" doesn't sound like assuming good faith to me, a rule I think it is particularly important to follow on this page.

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 12:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

See Fethroesforia's talk page. Finlay was not just throwing a rude off-the cuff remark. Apparently, this user has uploaded several copyrighted pictures in the past. Ingolfson 13:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I was specifically talking about the word I emphasised, not the general fact that the user was admonished for his uploading copyrighted images without the necessary evidence of permission. Although, since you bring it up, I also can't find evidence that the accusation of lying is correct, either. —Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 13:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

(ed conf)Fethroesforia has uploaded several dozen images both to here and to commons, and on all placed unambiguous texts and tags claiming he took the images personally ("Photograph taken by fethroesforia", "Picture taken by me of the Bahntower, Berlin, Germany.", "picture taken by me of the Potsdamer Platz No1 building"). Yesterday he then claimed he in fact didn't take any of the images at all, and claimed he was subject to legal action from his father, forcing them to be deleted here and on commons. So either the original claims of ownership were false or the subsequent claims that they weren't his was false. Pick one. Cf his upload log and the many recent copyvio deletions including Image:Bahntower Glass Building.jpg, Image:Potsdamer Platz No1.jpg, Image:River Spree Bundeskanzleramt.jpg, Image:Checkpoint Charlie Sign.jpg and many more, and more yet on commons (commons upload log). See also the thread on commons:Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#HELP. Yet he's back today uploading more images still saying "Picture taken by fethroesforia"; AGF does not mean one should suspend one's common sense in the face of ample evidence. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 13:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

References for images

I recently posted the references for images that were posted on the Portadown College article, and they have since been deleted and this site is threateningto take them down. Please advise.

The references for the images were http://www.portadowncollege.com and http://www.portadowncollege.com/gallery/g2data/v/Rugby-Index/V+Ballymena/PC+v+Ballymena03.JPG.html?g2_navId=x731000f3

My username is Someone12369

Whats a "reference" in this case? Perhaps you mean a source. In the case of the image you uploaded to that article, if you aren't the copyright owner, or don't know for sure that the image is licenced under a free licence, then the image should not have been uploaded to Wikipedia in the first place. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 11:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

What is wrong with your Main Page?

Though the text shows that featured articles change every day, really there is one for three or four days. Viacheslav Mur2ich, St.-Petersburg, Russia. --85.235.196.35 11:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It's changed faithfully every day. You may be seeing a cached version (either on your machine or on some proxy or whatever between you and us). See Wikipedia:Bypass your cache. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 11:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Image gallery help needed...

Hi guys. Could someone take a look at the Red-legged Kittiwake article for me? I've added an image gallery to what is a fairly short article and it is now clashing with and appearing partly inside the taxobox. It looks really messy. Is there any way of fixing this up? Thanks. --Kurt Shaped Box 11:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. It's possibly just your internet browser or your screen resolution. AndrewJDTALK -- 11:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Floating divs (like the info box) frequently clash with non-floating divs like this; the only solution is {{clear}}, which I've experimentally added to the article. The downside is that while it now looks okay on narrower screens, it leaves a big gap on wider ones like mine. The only real solution is to write lots more text :) -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 11:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

That does look better on my screen, thanks. That's actually like how IE renders without the tag... --Kurt Shaped Box 11:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

File:Kittiwakescreenshot.png

seagull screen

(Edit conflict) I'm using Firefox at 1024x768. Interestingly, when I browse the page in IE, the gallery appears below a big white space, separating it from the taxobox. This is what I'm seeing with Firefox. --Kurt Shaped Box 11:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

space

what is the big bang????

Have a look at this page: Big Bang -- AndrewJDTALK -- 12:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Striking comments

I have not been able to find a policy or guideline regarding striking comments. I am curious to know, are there any generally accepted "rules" about striking one's own comments or those of another user? Any help would be appreciated. Jmfangio ► Talk 12:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I can't point to a specific page, but generally anyone can strike their one comments, and are generally encouraged to leave a note why. Also, admins or users in good standing will ocassionally strike the !votes of spa's or others users otherwise suspected of not being able to !vote. Generally the only time a comment is struck is when someone changes their !vote or someone else thinks the users shouldn't be !voting in the first place.

Is there a specific instance you're curious about? --Ybbor^Talk 14:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

• I'm not going to elaborate on the specific situation for a number of reasons. The result is that I had no choice but to create a new account in order to contribute (and very well i might add). A user is simply going around and striking as many of my comments they find that were made by me under the former account (this even if they were made over a year ago and have nothing to do with him). They are all in non-voting situations. I think this is something that should be addressed somewhere on the site. Someone suggested that I go to the WP:VP to get the process started, so i posted this Jmfangio ► Talk 16:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Creating a new page from an existing page

I modified a page called "Management System" by adding a topic link called "Occupational Health & Safety Management System". I have been unable to get the link to open to an "edit box" in order for me to create a new page for it. It goes around in circles and never allows me to get to the edit page. The system keeps taking me to the "no articles found" query or “search another place” query. I've even started over completely and used the "create page" to no avail even as a registered user and as an unregistered user. The results are always the same and it’s very frustrating. This is a school assignment that I will receive no credit for because I'm unable to get this site to work. Now that's a real shame and teachers shouldn’t force wikipedia assignments on students when the website doesn’t function as promised.

click here. Next time, you can click the link you created (which is red) which should give you the edit page. --ST47Talk 12:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Bottom scroll bar

What happened to the scroll bar that used to be at the bottom of every page? I used to have one for side-to-side scrolling to center the text in my browser window, but it disappeared a few days ago. It was a feature that I used and enjoyed. I use IE 7 and as far as I can tell nothing has happened recently to cause the change at my end.

Public Menace 14:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Odd. I'm using IE6 and it's there for me, so it's probably on your end. --Ybbor^Talk 14:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, any ideas on how to get it back? Public Menace 14:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

If this isn't a Wikipedia issue, please try the reference desk. The Evil Spartan 16:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm using IE 7. I have the bar on this current help desk page but not on most other Wikipedia pages. I think it's supposed to be made automatically by the browser if the page design is too wide for the window. That can for example happen if there is

a long line like this one which starts with a space and therefore generates a special box.

Are you sure you used to have it on all pages, also with a full screen window? PrimeHunter 23:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, in full screen. Also, I'm viewing this page right now with Netscape (Mozilla) and same thing - no bottom scroll bar. Oh well, life goes on. I'll live without it. Public Menace 02:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC) 02:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Canadian Business Hall of Fame

Hello, please see the comment beside Conrad Black's name in the list below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Business_Hall_of_Fame

Is this type of editing or commenting appropriate for wikipedia?

Thank you.

The Canadian Business Hall of Fame

No it isn't, I have removed it. Thankyou for pointing it out. AndrewJDTALK -- 15:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

Maltese Music History

'jon lukas' made Maltese music history when he was signed to EMI COLUMBIA worldwide record company in 1970. This made him the first Maltese singer to get signed by a major record company and acquire success outside the Island at a time of fresh independance from the English Goverment who up to that time suppressed the Maltese identity. A person even just contemplating becoming a known popstar outside the Island's perimeter would have then been considered a total basket case.

Can you please enter this fact in wikipedia. For a period of scrutiny should you wish.

You should (1) find a reference, and then (2) submit it to Articles for creation. Shalom ^Hello 16:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Islam

Dear Wikipedia, I would like to ask if you could please make certain changes in terminology. If you would please refer to Prophet Muhammad(P.B.U.H) as a prophet wherever his name is used. And also if you would add the abbreviation P.B.U.H. after his name as I have done in the previous sentence. This will be appreciated greatly by the Islamic world and let me assure you that this is offensive to all Muslims. With respect all problems can be solved. When beliefs and cultural values are respected, people will not have emnity towards different lifestyles. If one shows respect, one will recieve respect in return.

[EMAIL REMOVED]

Needless to say, this has been discussed more than a few times, but the concensus is that Wikipedia is not presented from any religious perspective. Having PBUH would present it from an Islamic viewpoint and so is not used. I looked at the very first discussions on this which can be found at: Talk:Muhammad/Archive_1. If you want to take this further it should start on the Talk:Muhammad page where it can be debated. AndrewJDTALK -- 15:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Our general guidelines are to not include such information: please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Islam-related articles)#Islamic honorifics. Please note that Wikipedia is not censored, which means that one of its core policies is that it includes information which some find offensive. I agree that with you that some information could do well to be censored, but the policies unfortunately don't agree. The Evil Spartan 16:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I wonder why you mention the letters PBUH without even telling what they mean, but I guess it is something like "Lord".

I am a christian, and it annoys me sometimes to find that some people are unable to say "Jesus". They say "The Lord Jesus", again and again, so that it becomes boring and annoying, and they seem not to realise it themselves. But even they, when they read aloud from the Bible, they say "Jesus", since that's what the evangelists called Him.

What is Muhammed called in the Qoran? Do the letters PBUH occur there? HandigeHarry 16:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I can answer my own question. Sura 33:41 says: "Muhammed is the father of no man". No PBUH. I think this will close this discussion. HandigeHarry 16:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It stands for Peace Be Upon Him. AndrewJDTALK -- 17:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Muslims are required to utter "peace be upon him" or, in Arabic, "sallallahu alaihi wa sallam" upon hearing the prophet's name spoken, as an honorific and a mark of respect. Likewise, when writing his name it will be followed by PBUH or SAW in probably all Islamic books etc. Similar honorifics apply to the companions of the prophet and other holy people in Islam. At the end of the day though, this is a neutral encyclopedia describing topics from a neutral, dispassionate point-of-view. Thus no P.B.U.H., no S.A.W., no R.A., not even the title Prophet every time. This debate has been done to death and is very much closed for discussion. Zunaid©® 11:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Editing in different language

How can I edit a page by translate it in another language?

There is no official feature for translating pages from the English Wikipedia into different languages, but remember there are different versions for different languages. Check out this page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias

You also might want to check out WP:TRANSL. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 19:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

the "create a new page" button

I am having trouble actually finding such a "button", as mentioned in the article on creating a new page.

One way is go to the create a new page, type in the name of the article you wanto to create and click go, then look for the red text that says 'Create this page' two lines below the text box. AndrewJDTALK -- 18:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Before creating a new article it might be good idea to read Wikipedia:Your first article. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 19:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

You are right: The instruction has a wrong button name. The box at top of Help:Starting a new page is from Template:Phh:Starting a new page and was changed in [10]. Before there was a single "Create page" button which opened an edit window (either to edit an existing article or create a new). After there was two buttons: "Go (try title)" and "Search". They behave like the standard buttons in the search box to the left. The instructions still use the old name and assume the old functionality. Something should be changed but I'm not sure whether it's best to change the buttons or instructions. PrimeHunter 22:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Personal Pages or pages that the Wiki doesn't have.

How do you create a page about yourself or a page on a topic that the Wiki doesn't have? For instance, you do not have a page on The @ RPG, and I would like to make one for you. But first I must know how to.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Olothontor (talk • contribs).

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.--Fuhghettaboutit 20:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

You mentioned creating a page about yourself. I should warn you: In general, it is a bad idea (and bad form) to create or edit the article about yourself, your company, your band, etc. It's very hard to maintain a neutral point of view.

On the other hand, if you want to talk about yourself in general, your editing philosophy on Wikipedia, etc. feel free to use your user page at User:Olothontor.=David^(talk)_(contribs) 07:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Templates

Is there a way to make text dissapear if a variable is not used?

For EX

{{User:Thedjatclubrock/Watched|~~~|~~~~~}}

This User/IP is being closely watched by Thedjatclubrock :) (talk) This user is being watched due either to recent or constant vandalism. If this is a shared IP please create an account for your own protection. This user has been under watch since 20:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Can the third line be ommited if there is no second variable.

Ps. Is this an appropriate template for personal use?

Thedjatclubrock :) (talk) 20:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

There is an "if" template. I haven't used it, but it is something very similar to: {{if|{{{somevariable|}}}|The text to show if the variable exists|The text to show if it doesn't exist}}. If you leave the text to show if it doesn't exist blank, you will get no text shown if it doesn't exist. Now, I hope someone comes along who knows the exact syntax for using the if. -- Kainaw^(what?) 20:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

how do i add a defintion

how do i add a deffintion to the wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stnlystmr (talk • contribs)

I assume you mean "How do I start a new page?". See Help:Starting a new page. -- Kainaw^(what?) 21:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

You don't. definitions should be taken to wiktionary --L^augh! 21:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a dictionary. By the way, the word is "definition". Wikipedia is not a dictionary, so definition is not just a definition of "definition". PrimeHunter 22:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Definitely --Max Talk (add) 01:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. When you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:

1. Add four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment, or
2. With the cursor positioned at the end of your comment, click on the signature button located above the edit window.

This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is necessary to allow other editors to easily see who wrote what and when.

Thank you.. =David^(talk)_(contribs) 07:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Deleting a page

How do you delete a sub-page?

Please reply on my talk page.

Thanks,

Skunkmaster 22:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

changing head line

I have added a page and about a person and their last name is not capitalized. I would like to change this, how??

Jraiford 22:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

• You need to move the page, using the move command on the left. New users cannot do this, so you might need to contact an admin or more experienced user by putting {{helpme}} on your talk page. --Haemo 22:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I looked at your contributions and have moved Lauren ezersky to Lauren Ezersky for you. After a move, the old name redirects to the new name. PrimeHunter 23:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

requested moves

I would like to ask how much time should be left to start a new discussion to move a page after a previous discussion regarding the same page move has been closed with no consensus to move, as requested move discussions are often speedily closed when another discussion has been closed, recent to the new discussion, with no consensus to move. ThanksTbo 157 23:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

July 17

creating a new page

how do i create a page?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andor0597 (talk • contribs) 17 July 2007.

Read Help:Starting a new page. Bart133 ^{(t) (c)} 00:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

LIZA SHTROMBERG DELETION

Why was the entry for LIZA SHTROMBERG deleted again? I corrected it as suggested by persons here by reducing it more down to a neutral encyclopedic entry and as suggested I put a link to a legitimate news source that mentions her by name - that source being ABC NEWS.

It was deleted as it didn't assert any notability whatsoever. Please see WP:BIO and WP:CORP. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 01:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

She does meet the WP:BIO criteria as she is widely known. Just because she is in a field or artistry that you are unfamiliar with doesn't make her any less notable. I don't know a whole lot about soccer, but if someone put up a noteworthy item about soccer I certainly wouldn't question it because I alone or a handful of people on Wikipedia did not recognize its significance. Pepper Berry 04:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Weather or not she is notable or not doesn't really mean anything, as long as the article it self has to establish that she is notable. As for the link given, there was really nothing...she was mentioned along with a dozen others as potential places to buy gifts for mother's day, which doesn't really prove her notability. If you still believe that the article should be revived, please take it to Wikipedia:Deletion review. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 09:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Calculating the article body's size

Is there some sort of tool that calculates the size of the body and main text of an article, skipping over images and refs? Wrad 02:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

A simple tool would be to copy/paste the page into a simple text editor (ie: Notepad). You'll only get the text, no images or html code. Then, you can estimate the size. -- Kainaw^(what?) 03:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It's about one byte per character, isn't it? Wrad 03:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It is exactly one byte per character once pasted into notepad. It uses ASCII, 7-bit characters with 1 bit for overhead. Now, if we are talking Unicode, it is up to 4 bytes per character (if I remember correctly). -- Kainaw^(what?) 04:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Bug? Calculating the Number of Sections

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryTree.php&wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&cat=neurology

Why doesn't the category tree on the page for category:Neurology make as much sense as that? It looks like someone introduced a bug when they spread that deprecated tool around, and while I'm at it, when I go to edit the last section of a page, the wiki consistently tells me it doesn't exist. Brewhaha@edmc.net 04:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean there is a specific page where the last edit link consistently tells that, or do you mean consistently for all pages? The former can happen but I haven't heard of the latter. Can you give an example of a page with the problem? PrimeHunter 16:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect Merge with "Milliken, Ontario"

Hi,

I was recently searching Milliken Park when I realized that the information for the Milliken community (in the City of Toronto) has been incorrectly merged with the Milliken Mills community in the Town of Markham. The merge has combined the communities into "Milliken, Ontario". Unfortunately, I'm not quite sure I how can separate the two articles by reverting to earlier versions properly.

The two Milliken communities are two very separate communities belonging to different municipalities. Their community centres, schools, and community associations belong to different boards and different local governments. None of their services are linked. The article is confusing since it sometimes references the Milliken in Markham, while drawing on data from the Milliken in Toronto, and vice versa.

Although residents who live around the borders of Toronto and Markham may sometimes be confused, the two neighbourhoods are actually very distinct entities that operate under systems which are not interchangable. Due to this common misconception of the two Millikens being the same, people often arrive at the incorrect community centre, school, event, etc. Since the two communities are actually not adjacent to one another, the time it takes for someone to travel from one incorrect Milliken to the correct one actually takes quite a bit of time by car, causing many people to either miss events, shows, programs, or performances.

To illustrate my point, I can refer to the very link that is listed within the article: http://www.toronto.ca/demographics/profiles_map_and_index.htm

From this link, you can see that Toronto's Milliken ends at the border of Steeles Avenue. However, Markham's Milliken Mills area is North of Steeles and west of Toronto's Milliken area. As well, the bus systems do not continue, as Toronto's TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) services only the Milliken in Toronto. The Mililken in Markham is serviced by York Region's transit system.

Please revert to an earlier version of both articles such that the information could be correctly separated.

Thank you!

You might want to also bring up these concerns on the article talk page. However, I will look into it for you. LaraLove 13:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Would like to fix my entry Mudville so it conforms to your standards - don't know how!

Hi - I developed a Wiki entry for Mudville, and got these messages:

"This article or section needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications. Alone, primary sources and sources affiliated with the subject of this article are not sufficient for an accurate encyclopedia article. Please include more appropriate citations from reliable sources."

"This biographical article or section is written like a resume. Please help improve this article by revising it to be neutral and encyclopedic. (help)"'

As to the first message, I cited several reliable sources in the Notes section. These are all reputable publications and the sources are also dated. What is it about these citations do you find objectionable? Or is there a more appropriate way to cite these sources?

As to the second message, I believe this passage may be an offending one (?)

"Core members Marilyn Carino and Ben (Benny Cha Cha) Rubin have distinguished themselves as adding sophistication to the genre with classic Hip-Hop stylings, elements of improvisational free jazz and attention to songcraft more influenced by Marvin Gaye and Duke Ellington than the minimalist, pop-based structure and lyrics by which the genre is most often characterized."

This, I felt, was an honest, somewhat personal description (but one that is echoed in many major publications) of why I believe Mudville deserves notoriety in Wikipedia, and why they have been influential in the "post Trip-Hop" music genre. I assumed there needed to be some sort of distinctive description to warrant the entry. Do you find it too editorial? Do I need to cite third-party sources to substantiate these comments?

The History/Bio section I felt was also rather straightforward - I included plaudits (fully cited, in the Notes section), again, to emphasize Mudville's noteworthiness.

I do not understand how this entry could be more neutral without losing its descriptiveness or making Mudville seem unworthy of inclusion here. I notice there are plenty of editorial comments in other artists' entries, but they somehow are allowed.

I am not Mudville or affiliated with them, by the way. I'm just a huge fan and I feel they are an important band. I would like to make sure they are included in the Wikipedia and given their due. Thank you for your assistance.

TagoreEco 04:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)TagoreEco

What I find helpful when I'm trying to improve an article is to look at other articles on similar topics, paying special attention to the ones that are WP:Featured articles or WP:Good articles. In your case, I would look for other articles on bands, perhaps through Wikipedia:WikiProject Jazz or Wikipedia:WikiProject hip hop where there are lists of featured articles and good articles associated with Jazz and Hip hop. Looking at these high quality articles that have been worked on by experienced editors will give you an idea of the neutral tone that a good article has, as well as better ways to format and cite the article you're trying to improve.CindyBo^talk 07:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

information about the call center

steps to start up call center

Are you looking for specific information regarding call centers? That inquiry should be directed to the Reference Desk.

The Rhymesmith 08:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Fansites

Is there a page that contains a policy dealing with the inclusion of fansites in "External links" sections? •97198 talk 07:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[11], noting section [12].

The Rhymesmith 08:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Help page

The very useful example of a page history on Help:Page history does not include what appears on my page histories - namely the word "undo" in brackets at the end of each line. If I press the word "undo", does that result in an instant revert? Should Help:Page history be updated?

45ossington 08:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes and yes. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 08:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Undo does not do an instant revert. The user has to click Save to make the Undo happen. Corvus cornix 18:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

My watchlist

On my watchlist, I can't work out what the green brackets (containing a plus sign and a number) appearing on each line after the time of the relevant change might refer to. Second question: is there a help page that provides that information?

Many thanks,

45ossington 08:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It tells you how many characters we added in the last change. A big number indicates a substantial edit. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 08:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Just to further Theresa's answer, specifically its the number of bytes that have been added to a page; it's not always the number of characters. As to your second question, see here. I  ^{(said) (did)} 09:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Where is the "create a new page" link?

Westpointvets 09:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You can do this at Help:Starting a new page. Rlest 10:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Password issues

Having tried to login today, my password was rejected. This happened to me once before. I hadn't added my e-mail, and was told by someone that my password might not have been secure enough so I had to start again with a new account. I've been using the new account, set up with an e-mail this time, and today asked for a new password to be e-mailed. How long will that take? (it's been a couple of hours). I really don't want to set up another account. I was asked to e-mail someone directly before but never got a response what can I do? 132.185.144.123 11:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It shouldn't take more than a few minutes to receieve a new password. Have you checked your junk/spam folders on the e-mail account? It might accidentally have been marked as spam. Good luck! Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 11:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes I've done that - still no sign of the new password. A second request for a new password tells me one has been sent and I can't request it again for 24hours. What do I do now?132.185.144.123 12:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Rating of content (is Wikipedia rated to a certain level of explictness?)

Does Wikipedia have a protocol around explicit material? (eg. how explicit is too explicit? if something is somewhat explicit, do we put up a warning? What is the default audience of Wikipedia, compared to, for example, moving ratings?). Thanks for your help! (BTW, as well as scanning help and searching FAQs, I expected to find the answer to this in Wikipedia:List_of_policies?) Natebailey 12:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Basically, if it's encylopedic, we allow it and we don't have any kind of warning apart from the link to the disclaimers at the botton of every article. Wikipedia is intended for adults and isn't censored. The exceptions to this rule are rare, and will tend to be hashed out on a case by case bases on the talk pages of the articles concerned. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 12:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored. -- Kainaw^(what?) 12:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The relevant policy is Wikipedia is not censored. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 12:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Someday in the future I expect Web browsers to gain the ability to substantially alter the view of the World Wide Web to conform to the user's personal preferences. However, this might require software to get smart enough to pass the Turing Test first. A way to do it without artificial intelligence would be for large communities of like-minded users to develop and share their own Web page rating systems. This could operate similarly to techniques for classifying and blocking spam. For example, if several thousand people have a similar concept of obscenity or blasphemy, at most one of them would have to be offended by viewing a particular page, and thereupon the offended party could warn the other sensitive souls not to view it. Members of such a group might share their page ratings via a peer-to-peer method. --Teratornis 23:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Watchlist

Can other users "see" what you have in your watchlist? Hyper Girl 13:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

While anyone with access to the database can see anything they want to see, normal users cannot see your watchlist. -- Kainaw^(what?) 13:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

See also Help:Watching pages#Privacy of watchlists. PrimeHunter 16:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Article Creation

jon lukas made Maltese music history in 1970 as Malta's first ever recording artist.

I wrote to you about this fact as a contribution to Wiki yesterday. Can you please inform me as to where I can see this fact listed in WIKIPEDIA. Thanks!Mary Elle

You're enquiry was answered: Wikipedia:Help_desk#Maltese_Music_History AndrewJDTALK -- 14:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Article views

Do you know if there's someway I can see how many times any specific article page is viewed in a month? I'd like to know, so thanks. LuciferMorgan 15:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

No. The feature to count how many times a page has been visited has been turned off for performance reasons. For more details please see Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Can I add a page hit counter to a Wikipedia page?. PrimeHunter 16:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Deathrash

Do you have the history of that article anywhere, because Im trying to recreate it, and I cant find its history. Mezmerizer 15:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Um, would you like to request Userfication ? Peacent 15:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You should not recreate the article, as it was deleted on 3 July after not surviving a "articles for deletion" debate: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deathrash. Royalbroil 16:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The article was deleted because it was unreferenced/suspected as hoax. Recreation is possible as long as sources can be provided. Peacent 16:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the better answer, Peacent. An admin can retrieve what was deleted, but you will likely need to develop it off-line (or even better in a sandbox that you make in your userspace like User:Royalbroil/Sandbox) and have them approve the article before you create it in main article space. Royalbroil 16:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

All right. Thanks for the advice on the userfication :D Yeah, I think Ill do that. Would you mind userfying the Deathrash article?I shall Mezmerize you! My edits shall Mezmerize you!! My articles shall Mezmerize you!!! 19:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Done, it's at User:Mezmerizer/Deathrash. Please read carefully and address the concern raised in the related deletion discussion, you might also read WP:V and WP:RS. Also, please tag the page with {{db-userreq}} when you've finished. I hope this helps. Peacent 05:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

link spamming

I used several reviews for an article on the band This Beautiful Republic to demonstrate the notability of the band and to reference the article. An editor has removed several of these reviews, as the references/external links are trying to sell their album diff. The contributor also removed a link to the band's bio page at yahoo, which I think is a major demonstration of notability. Would someone review the edit to see if the changes were reasonable, and cite the guideline/policy if they agree with the other contributor. I promise this will not be part of an edit war, I just want a second opinion. Royalbroil 16:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

sites trying to sell something are not reliable, and cannot be used for notability --L^augh! 16:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

About blocking editting

What does it mean to block editing a specific article? What if it means I may never edit another article again? I mean, I don't want that! What if a specific article has mistakes? I mean, I was only trying to help! IP Address.: 24.14.216.60

An article can be protected; this prevents either new and unregistered users from editing it ('semi-protection'), or all non-administrator users from editing it ('full protection'); articles are only protected as a preventative measure, and will be unprotected as soon as is practical. If you want to suggest a change to a protected article, place {{editprotected}} and a description of the change on the article's Talk ('discussion') page, and an administrator will check that the change is acceptable and make it for you. Attempting to edit a protected article doesn't work, but nothing bad happens to you either. Users and IP addresses can be blocked to prevent them editing; if your IP is blocked (or your username, if and when you get a username) and you try to edit, you'll get a message to tell you what to do next. Blocks are only done as a preventative measure (usually to stop a user who is vandalising), and are usually temporary; it is in any case always possible to appeal a block (there will be instructions in the block message in such a case). Hope that helps! --ais523 16:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd recommend you to create an account if you want to help (Established editors have some benefits, like editing semi-protected articles) The only trouble, as always, is that you must think of a username. Peacent 16:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you are referring to the warnings at User talk:24.14.216.60? PrimeHunter 17:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Hardware & Networking

DMA —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.246.25.41 (talk)

Do you have a question? Maybe some of these are of interest:hardware, networking, DMA, Direct memory access, network card, networking hardware, Category:Networking hardware. PrimeHunter 17:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Article traffic

Is there any way to find out how much traffic a particular article receives? Thanks. TimidGuy 17:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

No. The feature to count how many times a page has been visited has been turned off for performance reasons. For more details please see Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Can I add a page hit counter to a Wikipedia page?. PrimeHunter 17:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks much. TimidGuy 18:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

There may be a rough correlation between article views and article edits, especially edits by different users. If an article has glaring deficiencies with few corrective edits for a long time, especially typos that are easy to correct, that strongly suggests the article gets few views. On the other hand, if the article history shows multiple daily edits, the article probably receives proportionally many views. Many smaller wikis that run on the MediaWiki software leave page counters enabled. You can view Special:Statistics on various wikis to see the ratios between views and edits; whether such ratios are close to Wikipedia's I don't know. For example, Wookipedia reports: "6.16 views per edit." Given that I know many people in real life who read Wikipedia but hardly anyone who edits, I'd suspect Wikipedia's average ratio of views to edits is substantially higher than Wookipedia's, but of course the ratio would vary by article. --Teratornis 23:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

interesting. Thanks for explaining that. TimidGuy 14:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Categories

When I try to categorise a page relating to a person, that person appears on the relevant catgory page in the alphabetical position appropriate to their given name, rather than their surname.

Many thanks,

45ossington 17:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Category#Sort order for how to avoid this. PrimeHunter 17:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The actual way to do what you want to do is to add wikimarkup like this [[Category:Example|Smith, John]]. Hope that helps. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 18:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

meaning of the word achaela

achala meaning —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.98.15.98 (talk)

If the word is "achala", then maybe a Wikipedia search [13] or Google search [14] can be of help. You can also try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/language, perhaps giving the context where you met the word. This help desk page is for questions about using Wikipedia. PrimeHunter 17:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

In sanskrit Achala/Acala means "The Immovable One." Go to Acala to find out more. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 18:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Three Revert Rule with Multiple IPs

There's a particular person who uses two different IP addresses to edit an article. He doesn't had that he's the same person, but will revert articles more than three times but from different addresses. How does this work with the Three Revert Rules? — Craigtalbert 18:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:SOCK. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 18:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

...And more explicitly, the 3RR grants an absolute maximum of 3 reverts per day to each person, not to each account or IP address. Someone who attempts to use multiple IP addresses or (worse) multiple accounts to circumvent the 3RR will be politely but firmly corrected. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

An interesting article in a Finnish (respected) weekly about Wikipedia

Hi!

Yes, I found an interesting article in Suomen Kuvalehti about Wikipedia as a tool to the researcher in History, benefits and pitfalls. I should like to translate it into English. But, which is the address for this kind of stuff?? --Tellervo 19:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but you might find something useful in Wikipedia:Wikipedia in academic studies and Wikipedia:Researching Wikipedia. --Teratornis 22:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The article will most likely be copyrighted so I don't think you can post a translation on Wikipedia. You can list the article at Wikipedia:Press coverage, though. --KFP (talk | contribs) 11:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

REGISTERING

I think I have signed up, but nothing I try works.

Can you please tell me how to register ... or find my USERNAME & PASSWORD?

Thank you.

Dick Bell (email address removed) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.29.6.125 (talk)

If you are unsure about your username and password or whether you have registered at all, then just create a new account. PrimeHunter 21:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Use this link, or go to WP:ACC if you have trouble creating a new account. Peacent 07:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

My account

My username is User:Ajwgis. I don't remember my password and apparently don't have an email address associated with my account. How can I get this corrected204.182.224.13 Would it be possible for you all to email me a temporary password that I can change204.182.224.13

Thanks,

Angela Wills

That username has no contributions, so by far the easiest thing to do is simply create a new account. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 19:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm afraid that if you don't have an email address associated with your account, you can't retrieve it. Why not simply create a new account? Nihiltres^(t.l) 19:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Atlantic Lottery Corporation

I work for Atlantic Lottery. This is currently on your site to describe our company.

"The Atlantic Lottery Corporation (ALC) is an organization which operates lottery games in Atlantic Canada. It is owned jointly by the four Atlantic provincial governments: New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland and Labrador. ALC's headquarters are located in Moncton, New Brunswick. The ALC is renowned for its ability to exploit consumers' idiocy - it is not uncommon to hear convenience store clerks tell of the rare $50 winning scratch ticket being redeemed for the equivalent sum in new tickets.

All profits returned by ALC are distributed to the provinces for their general funds."

We would respectfully ask that this be changed to the following:

"The Atlantic Lottery Corporation (ALC) is an organization which operates lottery games in Atlantic Canada. It is owned jointly by the four Atlantic provincial governments: New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland and Labrador. ALC's headquarters are located in Moncton, New Brunswick. All profits returned by ALC are distributed to the provinces for their general funds."

No problem. I'll do it now. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 19:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

In the future you can change it yourself; WP:COI doesn't prevent you from reverting obvious vandalism and blatant trolling. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 12:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Image licensing

I posted a query on the WP:IMAGES talk page, but it does not seem people are responding their with any expedience. Can someone tell me about the Flickr image use policy as it relates to my concern at Wikipedia_talk:Images#Flickr_image.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

"Public" on Flickr simply means that it's viewable by other users on Flickr. The pertinent information here is under "Additional Information", where it says "© All rights reserved", which means it's not kosher per Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Adding_images. jeffjon 20:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Editing an article

HOW can a person participate in "editing" an article? (Information that is SUBJECTIVE and non-factual should NOT be part of ANY article!).

There is wealth of information available at Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia. Check out Wikipedia:Simplified ruleset for some great guidelines for beginners --Hetar 21:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

In general, you can edit an article by clicking on the edit this page tab at the top of any article page. For new editors, the Wikipedia:Introduction and Wikipedia:Tutorial are recommended reading. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Cannot create page

I've searched the help files and FAQs on how to start a new page, for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page

I keep seeing references to "Clicking the "Create page" button" - but I don't see a "create page" button...so I'm not sure how to start...

If your article is xyzxyz then you can search for it and get this. Click the red link and you can start. Tim Q. Wells 21:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Question

This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. (help, get involved!) Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. This article has been tagged since July 2007.

This is strange... most of what was written there was written by the author.. He has a weekly colum with msnbc,and tripso, three books, one that just came out. I am not sure why this is getting this flag... How more reliable can you get.. MSNBC TRIPSO and current books in print, and the bio written by the author. MSNBC and TRIPSO are recognized .. why isnt James Wysong.

What more is required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.157.204.189 (talk • contribs)

That tag's been on the article for a while, looks like, but one of our bots just updated it. I suspect the problem is that someone felt the article had few reliable sources verifying the statements in the article. It could use a few more citations, from a quick look, but it's not horrible. The tag will draw in users to help do those fixes, though, so don't worry too much about it. Tony Fox (arf!) review? 21:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, keep in mind that Wikipedia prefers verifiable third-party sources for citations. An author's own work is first party, which should only be used if no other method of verification can be provided. If an article's citations consist solely of first-party citations, it is considered uncited by many, as there's no objective way to verify the article without the reader going outside Wikipedia to find new sources. -- Kesh 00:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

article deleted

An article on my copyrighted and trademarked reference book "Cherokee Proud: A guide for Tracing and Honoring Your Cherokee Ancestors" used to appear on Wikipedia since it is considered by experts to be the "bible of Cherokee genealogy, and is avaialble in most larger libraries and museums.

I notice now that the article cannot be found. I have searched all of the instructions and deletion logs and it is as if it never existed. Can someone please tell me why it is no longer there under 'Cherokee Proud."

Thank you.

Tony Mack McClure, Ph.D. Author <email removed>

The article Cherokee proud was deleted under Speedy Deletion with the reason G11 - Blatant Advertising. Andy^reply 22:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Repeated vandalism for article Demographics_of_Afghanistan

Hello,

I'm not sure exactly where to report this, but there is a serious problem with certain individuals vandalizing this article. They are ignoring the discussions I've started, and are repeatedly accusing me of being the vandal. This is happening in more than one article, and these same people are waging a bit of a campaign elsewhere. I do not feel that Wikipedia is the proper venue for such behavior. Is there any kind of arbitration available for this matter?

Thanks you

Hi there, by the looks of things this has escalated in to an Edit War, I'd take a look at Resolving disputes and resolve your arguments peacefully or you both may be banned for starting an edit war. Andy^reply 22:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Emporis

I do a lot of work on Chicago Buildings. It seems emporis.com has been experiencing difficulties this week. Does anyone know what is going on?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but this page is for questions about Wikipedia itself. You might try visiting some Chicago-related forums and ask there. -- Kesh 00:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Puting my own pic on my artical

How do i put my pic on my atical when its in my folder?

I'm presuming "your folder" is a folder on your computer? If so, you can go to the link on the side of the page, under "interaction", that is called "File upload wizard". Then you can follow the steps there. I  ^{(said) (did)} 00:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Meta userpages

Hello all, I was wondering if templates specific to the English Wikipedia can be transferred to Meta userpages. Thanks, Neranei ^T/C 23:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Color fade?

Is there a way to make a background (in a table) have its color fade from, say, black to white? — Supuhstar * —

I'm reasonably sure that you can't do that directly, but I'm sure that there are workarounds: I can imagine both 1px-tall coloured rows with overflow:visible enabled, or perhaps an image used with a div covering it to allow normal content insertion... and I don't know if either would work. In other words, no, not directly. If you want to make a hack, you're free to, but it would be a challenge. :) Nihiltres^(t.l) 00:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, is there a specific case? Nihiltres^(t.l) 00:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes. In this Simpedia userbox, I want to make its background color fade like in the "2" in the logo. It uses Wikipedian code. — Supuhstar * —

how to start a wikipedia article

i wish to start a factual wikipedia article/page. could you please send me instructions on how as i am experiencing difficulties in this matter.

One way is to go to WP:CREATE and follow the instructions there. Or, you can edit your userspace page with a [[Name of Page You Wish to Create]] , click it, and start. I  ^{(said) (did)} 00:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

You need to create an account if you haven't got one, see also Wikipedia:Your first article and please make sure the topic of your article meets our notabily guideline. Peacent 07:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Relevance

You'd think the word would be clear enough, but exactly how does relevance work in Wikipedia site searches? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.159.180.151 (talk)

Deletion of Jeff Claassen

I posted a completely legitimate third party article about a NOTABLE, and award winning artist, whom I admire- and the posting was deleted. I'm not angry, just very confused. The artist is well established, well documented, and successful. He has been featured in film and television, as well as numerous articles (2 of which I linked to in the article). Could someone please explain to me how and more importantly, WHY the "Jeff Claassen" article was deleted???

Thank you,

Coral Kessler —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeffismygyro (talk • contribs).

The cited reason is that the article failed to assert the significance or notability of the subject. Contact the deleting administrator, user: Carlossuarez46 if you wish it reinstated or have further questions.

The Rhymesmith 05:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I cant uplode my pic.

I tryed uplodeing the pic put when i want to it says bmp is not a sucured file name. then i change it to something like jpg and then it still dosen't work. What should i do?

Thank you.

How did you change it to jpg? Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 01:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Not really change but like where it says destination filename.

You'll probably need to convert it into a jpg before uploading -- you may need image editing software to accomplish this. Anything from Adobe Photoshop to GIMP to MS Paint should be able to do the trick. – Luna Santin (talk) 02:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Is there a way to report people who repeatedly violate WP:FORUM in talk pages?

If not, is arbitration a decent solution? -- Craigtalbert 01:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

If they're not otherwise a productive member of the community, you could try the admin noticeboards. ArbCom tends to deal with the most difficult and heated disputes (say, after the admin noticeboards and/or an RfC (or two) have tried and failed to resolve things). It's a lot of trouble to open an arbitration case, usually. But, it is an option. – Luna Santin (talk) 02:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Protect

Help! I wrote three articles: Brutal Death Metal, Progressive Death Metal, and Slam Death Metal. Whenever I go to one of them, I find that it has been redirected to Death Metal. Would you please protect those articles so they cant be redirected to death metal?
P.S. They are real musical genres that were mentioned in the extreme metal section. I shall Mezmerize you! My edits shall Mezmerize you!! My articles shall Mezmerize you!!! 02:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The redirect is perfectly legitimate, considering that the genres in question do not have enough information/are not notable enough to merit separate articles, are clearly subgenres of the redirect genre, and that the information has been integrated into the redirect article. The information has not been lost- the pages have simply been merged into the article dealing with the broader whole.

The Rhymesmith 05:20, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Putting a new picture in for WWE superstar Big Daddy V.

It's not a question but i was wandering who i cuold speak to about updating wwe superstar Big Daddy V 's Profile Picture.

If you have a picture that satisfies Wikipedia's requirements, be bold and upload it yourself.

You can find instructions and information at [15]

The Rhymesmith 05:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use-ness of wikipedia images

Alright, I've been quite fastinated by this illustration:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aids_virus.jpg

I intend to put it on a t-shirt, along with text overlayed upon the image. Would it be legal if I sold said t-shirt for a profit?

206.124.132.33 03:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not owned by WikiMedia; you'd have to get permission from the owner. Look at the information below the image to find out who to contact. =David^(talk)_(contribs) 07:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Template Help

I have a question about ""if statements" in templates. Where is the best place to ask this? In case anyone is wondering what the actual question is: I have created {{NFLretired}}. In the career stats I have made the pfr value optional. I would like to add similar values BUT only allow one of them to be used at a given time. is this possible? Jmfangio ► Talk 03:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

You can do this by nesting the #IF templates. It would look sorta like this:

 {{#IF: {{{pfr|}}} | {{{pfr}}} | {{#IF: {{{xxx|}}} | {{{xxx}}} |}}}}

Does that make sense? If pfr exists, then it will display pfr. If pfr doesn't exist, then it will display xxx. If both pfr and xxx exist, it will only display pfr. Is that enough to help you do what you want? --JayHenry 06:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

That does make sense. I will try this out. Would you mind if I hit you up on your tp if i have ?'s Jmfangio ► Talk 06:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

how to add something to wikipedia

i would like to add an article onto wikipedia website...how do i go about that?? i ahve already transfered my documents into the pedia document. So,how do i go about uploading the article onto the website? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Meetha6 (talk • contribs).

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Sebi _[talk] 08:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

"redirect"

I want to make an article about the record label "Simple Machines" that was primarly a label that released cassettes in the early 90s. There most well known artist was Dave Grohl, still with Nirvana at the time, released a album called Pocketwatch, and currently typing in "Simple Machines" redirects to an article called "Simple machine". Can somebody either remove the redirect for me or tell how to do it? Speedboy Salesman 08:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing. There are two (equivalent) methods: (1) go to Simple Machines, and when you get the redirected article, there should be a small line of text up the top that says something like "Redirected from: Simple Machines". Click "Simple Machines" and it will take you to the un-redirected article, which you can then edit. (2) Enter the full URL in the address bar of your browser, adding "?redirect=no" (without quotes) - so, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Machines?redirect=no should do it. Once you've got the new article up, it would be a good idea to add an appropriate disambiguation link to either or both of the articles, so people looking for one don't wind up at the other with no idea how to get to the one they want. Confusing Manifestation 09:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm ... noticing that Simple Machines is currently a red link, I would point out that Wikipedia articles are, to a certain degree, case sensitive, so I assume you were looking at Simple machines, and it would be a good idea to make sure you put the article in the right place, and use the correct disambiguation templates. Confusing Manifestation 09:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, thanks a lot! I must've typed something wrong and not realised it! Wow, I didn't expect you to reply that fast! Speedboy Salesman 09:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Misinformation on part of a page

The last section on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke_County_High_School_%28Virginia%29, called "Controversy" is fabricated information. The entire paragraph is inaccurate, unencyclopedic, and at times non-objective. The entire paragraph should be removed.

INFORMATION NOT VERIFIABLE: No school board meeting documents, no budget documents, no Virginia Department of Education School report card documents, and no other credible sources can verify the information presented in this particular section, and in fact, those documents present facts and evidence to the contrary (the dropout rate, for example, has remained zero).

SOURCES: Clarke County Public Schools - School Board Minutes (http://www.clarke.k12.va.us/School_Board/School%20Board%20Minutes/2007/2007_minutes.html)

Clarke County Public Schools - Budget Documents http://www.clarke.k12.va.us/School_Board/SBCommittees/Finance/Finance_Index.htm

Virginia Department of Education - School Report Card http://www.pen.k12.va.us/VDOE/src/

The section had controversial claims about living (unnamed) people, and no sources, so I have removed it. PrimeHunter 12:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

making your own wikipedia page/article

Hi, i just registered as Freeballday.. i just wanted to ask how i can make my own wikepedia page...

Cheers Turhan Freeballday 11:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, you cannot make an article about yourself unless it complies with notability, verifiability and reliabale sources guidelines and policies. However, you can create a userspace. To do so, go up to the top, and you'll see a list of links. Your username, my talk, my preferences, my watchlist, my contributions and log out. Click on your username, and you can edit it! You might want to see WP:USER for guidelines.

please?

I lost my cat earlier this morning, is it all right if I post notices on this site to help look for him?Thank you. Please help me, I need him for show and tell. If you don't help, you'd be breaking a child's heart. Tammy Forestfeld, age 7.

I don't want to sound coldhearted, and I certainly hope you find your cat (I love cats too), but Wikipedia is not the place to post "lost cat" notices - perhaps some posters for your neighborhood would be in order instead. Nihiltres^(t.l) 15:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

countries

tell me about hatie

Haiti--VectorPotential^Talk 12:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

i dont undestand what this below means please advise

Asylum band → Asylum Gothic Band Current name: Asylum band (talk · contribs · logs · blocklog) Requested name: Asylum Gothic Band (rename user) Reason: Reason for requested renaming.band name incorrect

Clerk note: Request was made by user to be renamed [1]. WjBscribe 10:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC) 

Your only edit excluding this was to advertise your band on your userpage which I have removed as its in violation of WP:USERPAGE and Wikipedia is not a Myspace. Rlest 10:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

looking for spec and dimension for 2000 western star commerical truck

looking for specs and dimension for 2000 western star truck

This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. AndrewJDTALK -- 15:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Previewing references

If you look at my activity today on Wikipedia, there were 4 edits in a row, mainly me fixing my reference. I previewed the page, but the "references" section isn't previewed.

How could I avoid all that "un"activity on a page like that? IE is there a way to preview the reference while previewing the page?

It turns out I'd left out "cite web" which I found in Citing Sources, but missed in my actual factual typing.

Thanks much, Rhesusmonkeyboy 15:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

If you click on the "edit this page" tab at the top of an article, you can preview the reference section (like when you preview this). I assume you usually edit a separate section, that way the refs won't show up, as you can only preview the secton which you edit, not the ref section at the bottom of the article. I hope this helps. Peacent 15:20, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Another option is to add a reference section to the edited section while you preview, for example with <references/> at the bottom, and remove it before saving. PrimeHunter 15:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

How do a cite certain information?

MOOMOOcoming2eatU 15:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps Wikipedia:Citation templates would be helpful for you? Nihiltres^(t.l) 15:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

• If you mean citing Wikipedia, please see WP:CW. Peacent 15:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Formatting problems

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 18 is experiencing formatting problems. Can someone who understands wiki source code please fix it.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Someone removed the close tag on a comment. -- Kainaw^(what?) 15:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Managing your watchlist

I do a lot of Newpages and Recentchanges patrolling, and I had left on the preference to "automatically watch pages you edit". Thus, my watchlist (despite pruning at least 500 articles by hand) still contains over 1400 entries. Are there any existing utilities to better manage one's watchlist? Even just something that would remove deleted articles from the list would be great. Iknowyourider (t c) 15:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Not really. My advice would be to just clear everything and start over with the pages you really want to watchlist - there can't be more than a couple dozen of them, and it may be quicker than clearing off all the unwanted ones. (Then change your preferences to stop automatically watchlisting every page you edit.) Of course, once an article is deleted, you won't see any more edits to that page on your watchlist readout. 71.174.234.120 16:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Nah. I leave all the pages on my watchlist, and the ones that come up a lot, but I don't care about, I just go and manually clear them out. It's easier that way, and it keeps you from getting bored. The Evil Spartan 16:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Earplug

My name is Chris Johnson, VP, Cirrus Healthcare Products, LLC. Several months ago we added a paragraph titled "Flight Ear Protection" to a wikipedia subject titled "Earplug". Our submission specifically described our product called "EarPlanes" (TM) and its unique features. Our article was edited by someone that (1.) failed to note our Trademark for the name "EarPlanes" and (2.) misrepresented the product. We can submit evidence that proves the effectiveness of our product in reducing baurotrauma. How do we:

1. Prove to Wikipedia that the facts we state are true? 2. Prevent further industrial sabotage 3. Submit a photograph of the product 4. Provide a link to further technical information

Chris Johnson, VP Cirrus Healthcare Products, LLC [REMOVED CONTACT DETAILS]

As you make the product, you should not be adding it anyway, as it is considered advertising. AndrewJDTALK -- 16:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Please review Wikipedia's policy on conflicts of interest as well. Iknowyourider (t c) 16:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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