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Troops in Afghanistan.

Hi,

This sentence should be modified.

In December 2001, the United Nations Security Council authorized the creation of an International Security Assistance Force (ISAF). This force, composed of NATO troops,

---> Should read: (NATO and coalition troops), because there is Sweden and other countries who don't belong to the NATO but are contributing troops for ISAF.

Pashtu

Hello,

I recently used the search engine to see what Wikipedia says about my country's (Afghanistan) diversity and culture. I was disappointed to find that it is stated..."Pastu is an Eastern Iranian language..." Actually, Pashtu, is an ancient language, much older than the Farsi spoken by Afghanistan and Iran. Pashtu has never migrated to or from Iran. The only other region of the world that speaks Pashtu, is Western Pakistan, which is inhabited by the Pashtun/Pathan people. Also, the Farsi spoken i like it hardn Afghanistan is known as Dari, the purest form of Farsi. The author also incorrectly stated that people of Afghanistan are descendants of Eastern Iranian people. If that is the case, Iranian people are descendants of Afghans. I make this statement because, the Persian Empire, was once made up, and ruled by both countries. Each country still retained and cherished their unique differences in language and ethnicity. 


i like it hard



lol, go and get education cave boy!! Pashtu is a SOUTH-EAST iranian language (iranian=aryanic) which is full of turkish, drawidic, dardic and foreighn vocabulars beside those real pashtu words, plus Pashtu is the most strong influenced language by persian..f. expl. instead calling lawardey or izid in pure Pashtu you people say khoda to god or the pashtunized form is khwday ;)) . Do Pashto have the words dev and ahura like in german, latin, greec and english?? NO!!! HOW CAN PASHTU BE THE OLDEST LANGUAGE; THAN??? YOU AND YOUR LANGUAGE IS A JOKE. DUPREE AND FRY´S CALLD YOUR LANGUAGE AS THE MOST BACKWARD LANGUAGE OF IRANIANS BESIDE OSSETIANS. If Pashto would be the oldest iranic language why didn´t it influence other language but other language infleunced Pashto?? LOLL : THERE IS NOT A LANGUAGE LIKE DARI YOU CAN SPEAK. DARI IS PARSI; THE WRITTEN FORM OF PARSI WHILE YOU SPEAK PARSI YOU WRITE IN DARI, BUT INSHALLAH WE WILL CHANGE THE BOOKS BACK; INSHALLAH...never should have pashtunizm a chance in afghanistan, more!

Pashto is just 2500 years old, if it is a language which have deep roots otherwise Pashto is not older than 1000 years old like it is written in iranica.com while PARSI have a root which is 2700 years old and is the next development of Avesta!! PASHTO HAVE EITHER A DEVELOPMENT NOR THE LANGUAGE HAS IT´S ROOT IN THE AVESTA; MAYBE IT IS JUST RELATED AS AN SOUT-EASST-IRANIAN LANGUAGE, not more: I TOLD YOU INJ AVESTA IT IS WRITTEN AHURA; KHODAWAND AND KHODA NOT IZID OR LAWARDEY!! ;))

Ok, you just proved to us the level of your ignorance by starting your discussion with the words "go get an education caveboy", If you cant respect the viewpoints of others than dont post. On the topic at hand, i would have to say that i agree with the first guy. Pashtoons have lived in that part of the world for a long time. Afghanistan is influenced more by the ancient people of central asia than the persians. Furthermore the whole structure of the pashto language is different than persian as farsi has not masculin or feminin aspects to any words or phrases whereas pashto has masculin and feminin forms for its words. If the language is structured differently then how could it be influenced. If anyone wants to explain that to me please do so because i am in need of some answers. And please refrain from making any ignorant or offensive comments.


Posted January 22, 2007--Upperwali 17:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)hm--Upperwali 17:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

(dropped here from somewhere else completely unrelated Matt Whyndham 17:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC))

Please read Iranian languages. The usage of "Iranian" here is related to a linguistic group and has nothing to do with the modern country of Iran. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Most of pashtun afghans hate iran so I think there is a need to change this linguistic term iranian with some other term which would be acceptable to pashtun afghans. Pashtu being called east iranian language is an abuse towards pashtuns. The better idea would be to call pashtu an Avesto-aryan language rather than iranian language which is unacceptable to pashtuns of Afghanistan. When indic languages are called indo-aryan languages then I think the time has come to call iranian languages as avesto-aryan languages.

This link: Doing Business in Afghanistan

Was added by an editor whose only contributions have been to promote the World Bank Group (Doing business is a World Bank project). We have recently uncovered significant edits promoting this organization (see this WikiProject Spam discussion). In the interest of our neutral point of view policy and conflict of interest guideline I've moved it here for other editors to consider. If you decide it is appropriate for inclusion, you may wish to consider wikilinking to Wikipedia's article on the project - Ease of Doing Business Index - instead. Generally wikilinks are more appropriate than external links. Thanks. -- Siobhan Hansa 13:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

300% Worsening?

Deleted paragraph referencing a 300% increase in Taliban activity due to lack of citation.Nf utvol 14:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Restoring paragraph with updated cite. It is not hard to find this news report, there is enough text cited. A search on Google turns up no fewer than 240+ matches. NN 18:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Ethnolinguistic map

The new Ethnolinguistic map posted by User:NisarKand in the Languages section, is more an Ethnic map rather than Linguistic. I suggest that it should be moved to the Ethnic Groups section replacing the old BBC/CIA ethnic map. Ariana310 19:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that was not a Language map. I fixed that. Thanks for pointing it out. Behnam 01:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I replaced the BBC chart with this new map. The BBC chart, as you yourself had stated first, is inaccurate. It mixes up Tajiks, Hazaras and Aimaq, and plus it shows Pashtuns in Herat province. The new map is much accurate and very authentic. Please do not remove it. Ariana310 11:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

This map has an even more important mistake. It shows Kabul as being a Pashtun city. That is a critical mistake and because of this the other map takes priority right now. Kabul is a mixed city with Tajiks the largest group, certainly Pashtuns. Behnam 12:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh and I reported User: NisarKand's sock-puppet. Next time he does that report it every time. This is totally unacceptable. I don't what this guy's doing here. Behnam 12:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Despite its inaccuracy, this map will have to stay for now since have no other map right now. Behnam 12:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Most of the authentic maps bring Kabul under the Pashtun areas, I know it is totally incorrect. The major group is Tajik, and then Pashtuns and Hazaras are equal nowadays (especially after the civil war an important number of Hazaras moved to the western areas of Kabul such as Allauddin and Dasht-e Barchi). But I think they all rely on the fake informations published by the Afghan government. And oh yeah, this map has an error between Uzbeks and Turkmens. It calls the proportion of Uzbeks as Turkmens and vice versa. Nevertheless, we can keep this one untill Tajik gets those two maps prepared. Ariana310 16:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I have asked a professional map-creator to create two maps for this article, based on all information available - most of all the license-protected government-maps. He needs a few weeks to finish them ... so just wait and see ;) Tājik 12:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thats so great. Now I was planning of making maps for languages and ethnic. Now I don't have to spend time on it and best of all a PROFESSIONAL be doing it! We're all looking very forward to this! Behnam 15:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Wildlife of Afghanistan

Kindly contribute to this article when you get time, and request others too.

Thanks

Atulsnischal 13:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

afghanistan and iran

hi i just wanted to know how the relationship with iran and afghanistan was. are they allies or what? do they like eachother. are they cool with eachother and all? can anyone tell me plz. i would really appreciate it.

Afghanistan and Iran have a mutual relationship based on culture , ethnicity , and being apart of the former Persian empire. The Relationship was far better during the time of Zahir Shah king of Afghanistan and Reza Shah king of Iran, but since the two countries have been through wars and political ups and downs. The two nations have always tried to respect each others sovernty, especially now with the treaty of co-operation Afghanistan has signed in dec 2006 with Iran...basically stating that Iran is an allie of its sister nation Afghanistan and both will contribute and help each other militaraly and economicaly. So the relatioship is good for now. ( Iran has always been suspicious of Pakistan who mess around in Afghan politics and Iran has accused and told pakistan to stop meddling in Afghan politics) Abdul916 04:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to tell you this but Afghanistan and Iran will never be as friends the way you view it. Iran should help itself first and at the same time keep outta Afghan affairs. America signed a long term strategical partnership with Afghanistan in 2005, committing USA to help rebuild Afghanistan for no matter how long it takes. Since America and Iran are not friendly towards each others and Afghanistan being on USA's side, Iran should step off. I've visited Iran on several occasions, most people in Iran don't even know where Afghanistan is located, you call that having good relations with Afghanistan? Iranians naturally envy Afghans, Pakistanis also envy Afghans. That's been the case for a very long time now and Afghanistan's people are very well used to this. If you like Iran so much, go live there because nobody is stopping you. Afghanistan is doing fine, slowly rebuilding by the help of the western countries, especially USA. I'm very much sure Afghans don't need Iran or Pakistan for help right now, except in trying to make them stop the insurgents from crossing over to Afghan territories. At the same time, Iran and Pakistan need Afghanistan's help in trying to stop drugs from being smuggled to their countries. Iran has the world's highest heroin users, that could permanently cripple Iran. Pakistan also has the same problem with high drug use.

iraq is cool i like iraq and chicken balls

Afghanistan and Iran have had a love-hate relationship. But nowadays, ever since the Taliban left, Iran and Afghanistan have become close allies. Whoever wrote the above, I don't know who you are, but saying that most people in Iran don't know where Afghanistan is... that's not only ludicrous, but also besides the point. It is not the people of Iran that decide Iran's policies towards Afghanistan, but rather the current government. Same goes for Afghanistan. America's stooge, Hamid Karzai, is friends with Iran because a lot of Afghanistans trade is done with Iran. You mentioned heroin, and that's true, a lot of drugs in Afghanistan end up in Iran. But they also end up everywhere in the world, since Afghanistan produces most of the heroin of the world. Afghanistan, a landlocked country which has been in continuous war for decades, is not "doing fine". Please see War in Afghanistan (2001–present), where it lists how many people have died as a result of US invasion. Kabul may be safe, but currently most of Afghanistan is ruled by either Taliban or corrupt Northern Alliance leaders.--Kirby♥time 11:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Kirby and Abdul, WP is not a discussion forum. Please see: WP:NOT#FORUM. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 11:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism and semi-protection

I've only recently had this page on my watchlist, but it does seem to get a good deal of vandalism. Does anybody think it warrants semi-protection from unregistered editors? Perhaps I'm being too extreme. Liamshaw 21:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Given the lack of reply to the above, I have removed the semi-protection. If someone wants to add it back, say at least here why you do so. AugustinMa 21:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
It's still protected until April 5. (Adding or removing the {{protect}} tags doesn't actually do anything to the page.) If you'd like the protection removed early let me know. --Fang Aili talk 16:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

"Afghanistan Calendar Project" http://www.nongnu.org/afghancalendar/

Hi, I found following interesting Website: 

  "Afghanistan Calendar Project"
  http://www.nongnu.org/afghancalendar/


The site overs free (GNU GPL) afghan calendars in different languages. The site is hosted at the GNU Savannah project.

The Mission Statement sound quite interesting: "This project is not bound to any political, ethnic, social or religious groupings. The aim of this project is to provide free available multilingual Afghan calendars, that are accessible on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality via free tools. The calendars are released under the GNU General Public License."

I suggest to add a link to this website to the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.51.218.180 (talk) 00:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

Historical Photo and Video Archive

In the External Links section, under Other, could you add a link to 

   The Williams Afghan Media Project, http://drm.williams.edu/wamp

The Williams Afghan Media Project (WAMP) is an online resource for the study of Afghanistan. In addition to helping to preserve and make available resources related to Afghanistan, WAMP also provides a site for exploring Afghanistan's cultural legacy, historical development, and present situation.

Three photo collections that document in image and sound Afghan history and society from the late 19th century through the Soviet occupation represent the heart of the WAMP website:

  • The Khalilullah Enayat Seraj (KES) collection of photographs taken between the late 19th century and 1930,
  • The Louis and Nancy Hatch Dupree collection of slides taken between 1949 and 1987, and
  • The Afghan Media Resource Center (AMRC) collection of photographs and slides taken between 1987 and 1992. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gbarton (talk • contribs) 12:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

Administrative Divisions

The administrative divisions as shown are incorrectly numbered. In the list province 24 has been missed, and the subsequent province numbers do not match the actual province positions. 203.55.231.107 23:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I fixed it. Thanks for pointing it out.Ariana310 09:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

New Ethnic Map

The new ethnic map had many inaccuracies. Ghazni province was shown with majority of Hazaras, while the majority are Tajiks. The Ghor province was shown with the majority Tajiks, while Aimak people form the majority. Plus, Tajiks were shown excessively to be the majority in many northern provinces, where Uzbek people are the majority ethnic group. Please check THIS and THIS, also this. Even the linguistic map is incorrect. The province of Helmad is highlighted for Pashtu, while it must have been shown for Balochi.Ariana310 09:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen all three of those maps. But my numbers are from www.aims.gov.af. If you go there click on Distric Profiles and then you can check the breakdown for each district of each province. Doing this you'll find out which is the largest ethnic group in each province. And the result will be this map. The only questionable one was Logar. I am not sure if that is Tajiks or Pashtun. It could be either one. If its Pashtun then I'll correct it. But the rest is correct according to these numbers which are from the government of Afghanistan itself. So it is authorative over whatever numbers National Geographic or the CIA (which is old) have. Also, for Ghazni, I added up all the numbers of each district and it turned out that Hazaras were the largest group. And that is what this map shows, the largest group in each province. Yes Tajiks are the majority in Ghazni city, but the whole province Hazaras are the largest group. It is ofcoarse not saying that only this group makes up that province. Also for Ghor province the numbers show Tajiks to be the largest group. Aimaqs might cover the largest territory, but they are nomadic so it makes sense that there numbers aren't as high.So please just go to www.aims.gov.af. Also, if you know anything about Logar please let me know. --Behnam 09:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Also I am going to double check the numbers on Konduz. I think I might have made a mistake there. But I'll check it tomorrow and fix it if it is wrong. I remember the numbers were very close. Also, the language map has a few mistakes. I'm also going to correct those. For now it won't hurt to leave the language map. And about Helmand, it is by far a Pashtun province. That is what the numbers say. --Behnam 10:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
In Ghazni province, Pashtuns, Hazaras and Tajiks have almost the same proportion. However, in all cases Ghazni remains dominantly Tajik. In Ghor province, in aims.org website 1, only three districts out of 10 have been shown. So the figures are incomplete. It cannot let us conclude the real proportion from only 3 districts. And about Qunduz province, aims.org does not give the figures for the Qunduz district. And according to other districts figures, you can see that Tajiks come at first, Pashtuns in second and Uzbeks come in third. And Sorry, I meant Nimroz province. I mistakenly wrote Helmand. Yes Helmad is dominantly Pashtun, but Nimroz is mostly Balochi.Ariana310 10:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
And I think Pashtuns are the majority in Logar province.Ariana310 10:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, now Ghazni is Tajik, Logar is Pashtun, and Konduz is Uzbek. I did not change Ghor yet because in other maps I've seen they show Tajiks and on aims.gov.af they don't even mention Aimaqs. I'll have to look into that more before I change it. --Behnam 23:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Also I fixed the Language map, let me know if there is still any problems with it. --Behnam 23:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it's fine now. Just about the linguistic map, you have added Wardak province for Persian. Are you sure that Persian is the dominant language in Wardak? As far as I know, Wardak is completely Pashtun. Tajiks form about 10 to 20 % of Wardak Province. So would you please correct that as well?
Regarding Ghor, I mentioned that AIMS does not give the statistics for all districts. It has given the statistics for only 3 out of 10 districts here. So we cannot estimate the proportion of Tajiks or Hazaras out of only 3 districts, for the entire province. The major ethnic group in Ghor is Aimaq or Chahar Aimak. They resemble to both Tajiks and Hazaras, and sometimes they are called as Chaghatai. The Hazarajat stretches even to Chaghcharan, the capital of Ghor. And there are even significant number of Aimaks in Badghis province as well. Here are some sources for Aimaks in Ghor province: 1, 2. I think these are the last errors in the maps.Ariana310 20:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

'Aim cleary shows that Ghazni, Kabul and Wardak are Pashtun provinces so why forge Aim facts with false info here? Whoever has put the language and Ethnic map remove it or we Afghans will take action against these forgery lies.'I'm not sure how to post message here so I clicked on edit...Afghan'

1. Wardak is already colored as brown (largest group is Pashtun) 2. Kabul's largest group is Tajiks, not Pashtuns. Go check the numbers and ADD them all up. 3. For Ghazni, If you add up all the numbers it actually Hazaras are the largest group. But those were only 3 districts out of 10 so as Arian310 explained it is neither Hazara nor Pashtun largest group. In Ghazni all 3 of them are almost equal. 4. The language map is based on this, NOT aims, since aims does not have language statistics. 5. You're NisarKand and you were banned and still keep disturbing things Wikipedia with even more of your sockpuppets --Behnam 20:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I have done my math and it cleary shows Pashtuns as majority, but you will not admit it. Ghazni is multi ethnic province, but the majority comes out to be Pashtuns. WE are not talking about cities but provinces and your coloring is based on cities not provinces. There are so many inaccurate informations being posted onto this website that without question one of these days it will be taken to court for its forgery and falsification of information. I have been following Afghanistan's information and I have noticed everything has been posted according to ethnicity, by showing Tajiks to be superior and others minority. If we follow Aims than we need to look at the presidencial election which showed clearly who is majority in which province since every vote was done according to ethnicity. One more thing don't play this hyprotical game of me bieng NaserKand this just proves how illiterate you are and what type of people running here. You must be Troy or Gul Agha fininaced by Iran to creat disunity among Afghans and forge of FACTS AND HISTORY. This site will be sued and you will officially be left without a job and watch within months this place will be closed and your agents will whine forever....AFGHAN

No one is showing Tajiks as majority. There is no majority in Afghanistan. We have shown Tajiks as 27% and that based on CIA World Fact Book and they get their info from the government of Afghanistan. Also IF you've done the math then you'll get that Hazaras are the largest group in Ghazni according to the numbers from AIMS. And initially I had colored as a Yellow, but there were objections to it. Go do the math and you'll get these numbers fro Ghazni, unless my Microsoft Excel can't add up numbers.
Hazara: 400572, Pashtun: 362071.5
And if you're not NisarKand then how would you know who he is?
Also why would we use numbers from an election when we could use real numbers of demographics? No offence, but that is very silly to suggest anyone who votes for Karzai is Pashtun. In America there could be a Black candidate soon, everyone that votes for him will not be black. So your suggestion is very silly, especially considering that we alread have numbers for ethnic demographics. And the rest of what you've said is laughable and has no place in Wikipedia. There are rules one etiquette here. --Behnam 22:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

You are following a source which has no credibility nor does it hold any important facts which can be used in terms of population or ethnicity. I can show you CIA facts which in 1991 showed Pashtuns majority but the following year it flip floped. Tell me what sort of fact and credibility it holds? Even on the news it was mentioned that the voting which took place everyone voted for their own ethnicity. Ofcourse a country which has seen war for decades and have been disunited by foreigners will not trust anyone but thier own ethnicity. What makes me believe this fact is that WAK an organization in Pakistan had taken census of Afghanistan and it shows Pashtuns majority the same provinces Karzai won the voting. This census was done before Presidential election. I can provide you the information if you are willing to read it. Now regarding NaserKand it's so abvous after coming to this website for a year in I've been noticing so many LIES, FORGERY of FACTS that I saw Arain and NaserKand argue about whats credible or what isn't. Both posted here and thats how I know. If you think we are one then I think you are only fooling yourself. Now the only time someone would disregard opinions of others is when they can't defend it or debate to break out the truth. In that case calling my answer laughable shows your emotional side. Now leave Afghanistan related facts to Afghans and you concentrate on your own country. We don't need PRO IRANIANS OR PAKISTANIS CREATING FALSE INFORMATION!

If this is not a credible source, the what is? This is www.aims.gov.af. The .gov.af means it is from the GOVERNMENT of Afghanistan itself. The AIMS stands for Afghanistan Information Management System (of the Government of Afghanistan). If you don't think that is a reliable source, then I really don't know what is. I have not seen a more reliable source than this. And actually I am from Afghanistan, I am from Iran or Pakistan. But on Wikipedia it does not matter. If you don't like these statistics then contact the Government of Afghanistan and ask them for a recount. --Behnam 00:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

'I was refering to CIA Facts which you have been using mostly and even you mentioned it for the census of ethnicity. But since you are claiming to be using "www.aims.gov.af" then either you are making mistake with your calculations or you are putting down your own numbers. It cleary shows Kabul as Pashtun province whereas you have put it as majority Tajik. This proves it all no need for further discussion. We Afghans will close this topic since its being used as a personal purpose rather than for proper Afghan information. So many falsification of information and forgery and puting down Afghans as Iranians is an Insult to AFGHANISTAN. Afghans will contact the owner of wikipedia and if they won't agree than we will take further action which will cause closer of this place for its lies and forgery.

You're forgetting something very important and obvious thing. AIMS does not show the numbers for Kabul City. Kabul City's population is 2,994,000 according to this source, and according to this source 45% of Kabul City is Tajik. 45% of 2,994,000 is 1,347,300. That alone makes Tajiks the largest group in Kabul province. So sorry to disapoint you, but that is what the sources and numbers say. And it doesn't matter on Wikipedia that as a Pashtun you don't like the numbers. No one here cares about that, we don't base demographics on POVs. And again, I myself am from Afghanistan and I find your threats very humorous. --Behnam 04:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint you but mixing two different sources to get one information does not make sense not only to me but everyone else. Using AIMS for provinces and then using another source for Kabul is the most ignorant hypocrite nonesens comment I have ever read. Now can you answer following of my questions kindly..

Who conducted the information which you mentioned Kabul City 45% Tajiks?

In what year was this censuse taken? Provide its full information.

Every day the population of Kabul grows either from refugees coming 

  Pakistan,Iran or other parts of the country either thos that used 
  to live or for jobs. So now can you tell me which ethnicity is majority or minority?

I am not threatening you or anyone but asking to remove your lies about Afghanistan and forgery of facts. There is no humour in this neither is there any nonesense. Forgery/lying/falsification of facts are crime and against the law which will be dealt accordingly. Now you are either creating your own maps using paint and photoShop and putting it up on wikipedia for Language and Ethnicity. You have no proper proof to back your claimcy for your lies. Until you have true facts and information outside of Iranica, CIA and AIM you can't put someting which has no truth. If AIM had any truth they would have used it for national census while ago when the government was being formed, but it wasn't for a reason.

Please stop your confusing statements. WAK foundation is based in Peshawar, a Pashtun foundation. It published some reports presenting the books like "Afghanistan in the course of history" of GHUBAR, and "Afghanistan" of DUPREE as the sources; which is totally absurd. These are text and historical books, not a census report! In addition, NO CENSUS TOOK PLACE AFTER 1996 IN AFGHANISTAN as WAK foundation stated. So all its reports are fake and incorrect.
Afghanistan Information Management Service (AIMS) works extensively with AREU (Afghanistan Research and Evaluation Unit), United Nations, and Central Statistics Office of Afghanistan (CSA). All its reports are based on true researches and campaigns. Your claims regarding Ghazni and Kabul provinces, are not justified by any reliable source. However, there is a mistake for Wardak province in linguistic map, and I already asked Behnam to fix it. There are only significant numbers of Pashtuns in Kabul city, while in other districts except Paghman, almost all people are Tajiks. So please stop your wrong accusations.Ariana310 06:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Well anonymous person, if you actually went to the link I gave you and clicked on the larger version, you'd see that at the bottom-left corner it clearly says: SOURCES: THOMAS GOUTTIERRE, CENTER FOR AFGHANISTAN STUDIES, UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA AT OMAHA MATHEW'S BAKER, STRADFOR. So if you didn't get that, the info that Kabul City is 45% Tajik is from one of the leading experts on Afghanistan. University of Nebraska has a CENER FOR AFGHANISTAN STUDIES, and they know more about Afghanistan than anyone else. And they obviously didn't just make these numbers out of a hat. These are scholars and researchers, they went and did research on this, that is what researchers do. Also that source was from 2003, again it says that clearly. Next time please read the source yourself before asking me. --Behnam 06:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Ariana310, So you are stating that census was taken place in 1996 so where is your information and for calling WAK a Pashtun foundation can you provide your information in this regards? How about I say AIM is run by bunch of foreingers will this be accepted? Your claim for Paghman being the only majority district in Kabul province then my friend since you follow AIM you need to refresh your mind and go back check and see carefully. You will realize there are more majority Pashtun districts than any other group. I am currently gathering some informations which will be presented soon and don't blame me if I proof you and your friend wrong. Beh-nam you claim that mathmatically Ghazni is majority Hazara yet I have checked AIM MORE THAN ONCE PROVES PASHTUNS MAJORITY AND EVEN YOUR OWN WIKIPEDIA SHOWS THEM MAJORITY. If you are saying these are scholars and research that did thier research then no problem when I represent my information who are scholars and researchers than you will have to accept it and remove the maps which have been created on PhotoShop or Paint. Don't play this foolish game with me you are in no position to prove me wrong neither will your fake informations and forgery. That link you have provided only takes me to a page with numbers no census or any information for Kabul majority Ethnic which is laughable. ==

We've already given you several sources. Sources from non-neutral organizations like a Pashtun organization is not credible on Wiki due to bias. On Wiki we avoid any possible bias in articles and prefer to use neutral sources. Using a source from any one ethnic group is out of the question. This is after all an encyclopedia. Anyone wants to go read a organization from one ethnic group's numbers on demographics can do so. But on Wikipedia opinions are not accepted. Again here is the source that clearly shows Kabul City as 45% Tajik and if you look there it will show you they got the numbers from research by Center for Afghan Studies, University of Nebraska. I've put this source several times, this is the last time: http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0311/feature2/images/mp_download.2.pdf.
Also please stop writing in bold and sign your discussions with 4 ~ . -- Behnam 07:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

So now that I have proven you wrong you have deleted my comment to hide the truth. What a shame that we have bunch of ignorant and foolish people who hate the to speak the truth run this encyclopedia. --74.104.234.130 21:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)shikab

You haven't proven anything wrong, user: NisarKand. We have already stated that Kabul is a very diverse province in the Kabul article. The map does not show the diversity of each province, it simply shows which group is the largest. Also, you are banned already and should accept your ban. --Behnam 21:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

First of all stop getting all emotional and claiming that I am Naser whatever his name is. If you can prove it go ahead if you can't don't hide your true face by claiming I am him. In that case you must be Gul Agha the same person that goes forum to forum and posts falsified information or Troy. Talk with "Intelligence and Logic" not "Emotions." I didn't post any map nor did I make up any information. I basically posted information from "GOVERNMENT WEBSITE (Ministry of Rural Rehabilitation and Development)" which you deleted to hide the truth for your own personal agenda. Now stop being so ignorant and accept the truth and accept your humailation. Once again I will post the information and I will save the information through screen save and show it to everyone to embarass you further more and show your true face.

Kabul city is home to a mix of 3 million people belonging to diverse ethnic groups, the largest being Pashtuns and Tajiks, that settled in the region hundreds of years ago. Bilingualism (Dari and Pashtun) is common in the capital and is a result of large population movements from other provinces. [1]

Accept the truth and accept it that every map and information that has been put has been due to personal opinion and personal agenda. --Shikab 23:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)Shikab

Grammer Error

Under the Education headline, there is an error, tho i could not fix it. 4 lines from the title, it says " an estimated 40% had adequate sanitation. Education for boys was and girls were a priority." if someone else could fix this that would be great thx 206.116.96.207 06:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)maestro master

done.--Kirby♥time 06:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The population

Hello,

the population of Pashtunes are between 11 and 12 mio. while the populatiopn of Tajiks are between 9 and 10 mio. plz correct your informations. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tajik-Professor (talk • contribs) 19:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Also, the total population estimate on this topic (31,500,000) does not match the total population estimate on List_of_countries_by_population where it is referenced as being 27,145,000. Alexkreuz 22:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Too much "Etymology" material?

Do we really need so much material at the beginning of the article regarding "Etymology"? Compare how much text is in this article compared with neighbooring countries. Could this be summerized into a nice little paragraph since we already have a full article about it? --MarsRover 03:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Tajik-Professor has added the new text without discussing it in here. They are all redundant (already mentioned in other paragraphs), un-sourced and not compatible with encyclopedic tone (e.g. the usage of expressions such as "God Knows", "Don't Call it", etc.). I reverted his edits twice, but no one else is reviewing his edits. It is getting way too long. Most of his added texts have nothing to do with the section of "Origin of the term Afghan", they must be moved to other sections. Ariana310 09:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Dear Marsrover,

i think informations about Afghanistan is very important on every side which is written about Afghans. We need old books like Timurnama and baburnama and sources from very old scholars like herodot to expalain their origine. And for this section or article these sources are very important because it´s going about the ORIGINE OF AFGHANS even some of them are in some other articles. We have to compize the informations.

User:Tajik-Professor, your edits are completely un-sourced, you have to provide the reference to the work/book. Please discuss your edits in the Talk page (here) first, before you bring any critical edit to the article. Plus, I tried to copy-edit your edits, and you reverted them all. If you continue to do the same, I will report you to the wikipedia Administrators board.Ariana310 20:45, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Tajik-Professor, I wasn't questioning the importance of the subject but rather the amount of material included in the article. There already is an specific article about the Origins of the name Afghan so the amount of information here seems excessive. If you read previous discussions or the article's history you can see which topics are hotly debated (demographics, history, etc.). If you insert information regarding those topics without a reference other editors will likely revert them. Even with a reference you may have to defend your additions. Also since this is wikipedia, others may edit your additions to make the article clearer, less redundant or just to summarize (usually that involves deleting something) and hopefully you do not take offense. Cheers, --MarsRover 21:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


Dear Ariana, wgat you are writing is brainless and stupid. yOU WRITE THEY ARE SOURCELESS?? ARE YOU OK?? They are copied from BABURNAMA word by word!! READ IT. IS FOR YOU AS A PASHTUNE BABURNAMA NOT A BOOK?? MY FRIEND, SORRY BUT WE PERSIANS DO NOT USE BOOKS FOR CLEANING OUR BACK OR BURN THEM,maybe therefore you do not know it but you can believe me that it is written in BABURNAMA!! THERE WAS AN MEDI-EVIL AFGHANISTAN BUT NOT IN MODERN AFGHANISTAN. THE MIDDLE AGE AFGHANISTAN WAS THE PESHAWAR-VALLEY. READ AS WELL TIMURNAMA. The awghans south of Kabul were the remnants of the turkish Khiljas who identified themself as Afghans. In the 9 century these turkish tribe of the oghuz-clan like the afsharis and the ghaznawids lived in Punjab and were pashtunized. They came to Khorasan when the Father of sultan mahmud, the ghaznawid king brought them from punajb to ghazni. DURING BABUR KABUL WAS A KINGDOM AND PESHAWAR BELONGED TO IT. KABUL WAS UNDER THE RULE OF THE MONGOLIC ARGHUNES WHO RULED AS WELL KANDAHAR and these mongols were the wors enemies of the Khilijas. Timur speak about some 2000 khilijas who lived in the destroyes and burned ghazna. EVEN BABUR FOUGHT AGAINST THEM!! THESE AWGHANS WERE THE REMNANTS OF THOSE KHILIJAS WHO MOVED AS SLAVES TO INDIA UNDER THE GHORIDS. LATER THEY HAD TO LIVE GHAZNA AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE PERSIAN KARTIDS WHO RULED FROM BAMYAN; HERAT; TSCHACHT AND GHAZAN AND NORTH KANDAHAR!!! THE KHILIJAS OR THE OGHUZTURKS WERE FROM ANCIENT TURAN; TODAY WE SAY KASAKHSTAN TO IT: DID YOU EVER READ SHAHNAME??? FIRDOWSI WRITE ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF AKVAN FROM THE 7 LAND RIVERS TODAY WE SAY PUNJAB TO IT: THIS AKVAN WAS AN ENEMIE OF ROSTAM AND WANTED TO THROUGH HIM IN THE CAUCASUS RIVER!! HE CALLED THEM AS NON-BELIVE; ENEMIES OF AHURA MAZDA; PEOPLE WHO LUVE IN THE MESSAGATES!!!

YOU WRITE NON-SENSES: YOU JUST USE ONE PERSPECTIVE WITHOUT TO SHOW FROM OTHER PERSPECTIVE; TOO: I am not like you. I have timurnama, baburnama, shahname, translation of ibn batuta and ibn chaldun and some other people, including Al-Biruni!! WHAT DO YOU HAVE?? DID YOU EVER READ BABURNAMA?? DO YOU KNOW THAT THESE AWGHANS IN SOUTH OF KABUL WERE JUST TURKS? THE KHILIJAS; TODAY WE CALL THEM GHILZEI OR GHALZAI (SON OF THIEVES). KHILIJA MEANS IN MONGOLIC AS WELL THIEVES IN OTTOMAN TURKS LANGUAGE IT MEANS LONG HAND AND LONG SWORD...a description which is abolutely realet to the mentality of ghilzeis and other awghans, specially to the awghans. The term kabul in baburnama means kingdom of kabul not the city of kabul. the arghunes ruled as well from peshawar and lahor.

i will rewrite the whole theme next day and bring the sources back to the article, thanks by the way why did you delete the content about awghans from herodot ?? WAS HERODOT A PASHTUNE?? A LIER?? WAS HE JUST A AFICTION FIGURE LIKE AMIR KROOR??? WHY DO YOU HIDE THE FACTS TAHT AWGHANS CALLED THEIR COUNTRY AWGHANISTAN SINCE THE ANCIENT TIMES OR MIDDLE AGE AND THEY LADN WAS EVER PAKISTAN?? WHY DO YOU HIDE IT??? if you write sth about awghans than plz search more informations from mayn soucres and many books from modern and old historians, like babur and timur, ibn batuta, ibn chaldun, churchil, al-biruni etc., including the kushans and sassanians or teh assyrian scripts!!!! ... (babur killed and build pyramids of the awghan heads in pakistan...as well in ghazna where he killed lot of ghalzaies):::IT IS IMPORTANT TO USE MANY INFORMATIONS AND LOOK A THEME FROM MANY PERSPECTIVES JUST FROM ONE PERPECTIVE


Ps:peshe kale khar yassin khaandan, awgahn!


Tajik-Professor 14:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)--Tajik-Professor 14:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


Again personal attacks and direct insult!
I think you are not getting the point. Did you read the message that I put in your talk page? It seems I have to rewrite it:
  • What you had written in the section of "Origin of the word Afghan" was completely irrelevant and had nothing to do with it. For example, you wrote/copied 3 long paragraphs about the Kalnari people, Nuristani, Pashais, the people of Kamboja, but it had nothing to do for explaining the real meaning of "Afghan". Or probably, you did not explain the relation of the word "Ashvakan" with "Afghan". If anyone had read it, would find the whole text irrelevant. While your other paragraph dealing with Ghilzais was kept. I did not remove it!
  • You further copied a text from the article of "Origins of the name Afghan". There was no need for it. In the main article of Afghanistan, we should try to be short while the details are already explained in the original sub-articles. And thus, I did not remove your newly added texts in the article of Origins of the name Afghan.
  • I do not reject the text of Baburnama, but all what I say that you were making it too long. The whole point was: "Babur called the region south of Kabul which were inhabited by Pashtuns as Afghanistan", but you copied 3 long paragraphs from Baburnama just to explain this short point. And this point was already mentioned in the article.
  • Plus, when I asked you for source, you have to write the complete reference list: Name of the book, Author, Edition, Place and Date of Publication. Please read the wikipedia links which User:Beh-nam provided you in your talk page.Ariana310 15:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

ABOUT KHILIJ-AWGHANS IN BABURNAMA

The History of India, Volume 2, chpt. 76

... took place in the year 621 H. (1224 A.D.) One year and six months after, the chiefs of Ghor through this irruption of the infidels, joined Násiru-d dín. Towards the end of the year 623 H. (1226 A.D.), the army of Khilj, consisting of all the forces of Khwárizm, under the com­mand of Malik Khán Khilj, invaded the lands of Mansúra, one of the cities of Siwistán. Malik Násiru-d dín marched to expel them, and a battle ensued, in which the army of Khilj was de­feated and the Khán of Khilj was slain. Malik Násiru-d dín then returned to Multán and Uch. In this same year, the compiler of these leaves, Siráj Minháj, came from the country of Khurásán, via Ghaznín and Mithán, and thence reached Uch by boat, on Tuesday, the 26th of the ...

... enterprising man, he used to make incursions into the districts of Munír (Monghír), and Behár, and bring away much plunder, until in this manner he obtained plenty of horses, arms, and men. The fame of his bravery and of his plundering raids spread abroad, and a body of Khiljís joined him from Hindustán. His exploits were reported to Sultán Kutbu-d dín, and he sent him a dress and showed him great honour. Being thus en­couraged, he led his army to Behár and ravaged it. In this manner he continued for a year or two to plunder the neigh­bourhood, and at ...

The Muntakhabu-’rukh, Volume 1, chpt. 180

... 495, 512, 525, 537. Khāwind Naqshbandī, Khwāja, con­temporary of Bābar, 446. Khazāinu-l-Futūḥ, known also as the Tārīkh-i-‘Alāī, 252 and n 1, 266. Khīlī, the betel in the form it is offer- ed for sale, 303 n. Khilj, the,—a Turkish tribe of Ghūr of Afghan people, 81 n 2, 86, 88 n 1, 191, 230 n 1, 231. Khiljī, son of Sulān Mu‘izzu-d-Dīn Muḥammad Sām Ghūrī, 69. Khiljī, Rāo, Governor of the fort of Bhaṭ at the time of Tīmūr's inva­sion, 355 n 4 Khiljī Sulāns, the, 475. Khiljīs, the. See under the tribe of Khilj. Khing bud, or the white idol, one of two enormous images in Bāmiān, 46 n 1. Khirad Nāma, one of the works of Maulānā Jāmī, 272 n 1. Khīrī, a flower, 173 and n 3. Khiā (Cathay), ...

The History of India, Volume 2, chpt. 98

... dín arrived at Ghazna', where he was joined by many bodies of his adherents, and assumed the pomp and circumstance of a monarch. When Yamín Malik heard, in Hindustán, of the Sultán's arrival at Ghazna, he hastened to meet him. Aghrák Malik, also, with an army of Khiljís and Turkománs, came from Pesháwar' to do him homage, and A'zam Malik brought a large force of Ghorians to serve under him. In all the troops now at his disposal amounted to twenty thousand cavalry. The Sultán went with these large reinforcements to Parwán, on the ...

... were unable to endure, and were reduced to great misery, so they abandoned the contest, and returned to their homes. When the winter was over, the nephew of the Rájá of Láhore returned to the attack with a fresh army. On this occasion, also, the men of Kábul and of Khilj brought up their reinforcements. The armies met between Karmáj and Pesháwar. Sometimes the infidels gave battle, and drove the Musulmáns to the hills; sometimes the Musulmáns took the offen­sive, and repulsed the infidels at the point of the sword. When the rainy season came on, the infidels were anxious about the rising of the waters of the Indus, so, without knowing whether they were victorious or defeated, they retired to their homes. The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were ques­tioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, “Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and dis­turbances.” ...

... Láhore and the infidel Gakkhars ended in war, the Gakkhars formed an alliance with their neighbours the Afgháns. The Rájá of Láhore made peace; and, to put an end to contention, he ceded to them some districts of the Lamghánát, and associated with them the tribe of Khilj, which, in the infancy of the Afgháns, had settled in that desert (sahrá). The conditions were, that they were to guard the frontier, and prevent the armies of Islám from entering into Hindústán. The Afgháns erected a fort in the Kohistán (mountains) of Pesháwar, which they called Khaibar; and they took possession ...

... Bin Aby Sufra. Kabul revolts from the Moslems, who are expelled. Sulim recovers Kabul, and appoints one Abdoolla to the govern­ment. Abdoolla superseded, and retires among the Afghans of the Soolimany mountains (A BIG MOUNTAIN RANGE IN MODERN PAKISTAN NOT IN AFGHANISTAN). Becomes the father of Lody and Soor, from whom two Afghan tribes derive their name. The Afghans make war on the Hindoo Prince of Lahore. The Gukkurs form a treaty with the Afghans. The Raja of Lahore cedes territory to the Guk-kurs to defend his territory from the invasions of the Afghans. 1 CHAPTER I. HISTORY OF THE KINGS OF ...

The whole Afghan history plays in modern Pakistan and India and not in modern Afghanistan which had first the persian name Khorassan. Is this a chance?? NON BECAUSE AWGHANS ARE FROM SULAIMAN MOUNTAINS AND PESHAWAR VALLEY...so called WESTERN GHAT and the pashtunes have the WORD GHAR FOR MOUNTAIN AND GHAT MEANS MOUNTAIN AS WELL!!!

BABUR WROTE HI HAD TO FIGHT AGAINST THE AWGHANS IN THEIR OWN LAND IN AWGHANISTAN THE KOHISTAN DISTRICT OF PAKISTAN!!!

... they retired to their homes. The men (MONGOLIC ARGHUNES) of Kábul (KINGDOM) and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were ques­tioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, “Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and dis­turbances.” Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows! When the peace between the Rájá of Láhore and the infidel Gakkhars ended in war, the Gakkhars formed an alliance with their neighbours the Afgháns. The Rájá of Láhore made peace; and, to put an end to contention, he ceded to them some districts of the Lamghánát, and associated with them the tribe of Khilj, which, in the infancy of the Afgháns, had settled in that desert (sahrá). The conditions were, that they were to guard the frontier, and prevent the armies of Islám from entering into Hindústán. The Afgháns erected a fort in the Kohistán (mountains) of Pesháwar, which they called Khaibar; and they took possession of the country of Roh. During the ascendancy of the Sámánians, these (Afgháns and Gakkhars) prevented them from doing any injury to the territories of Láhore. This is why it was that the incursions of the Sámánians from first to last were made by way of Sind and Bhátiya. Roh is the name of a particular mountain, which extends in length from Swád and Bajaur to the town of Siwí, ...

... Hasan Abdál to Kábul. Kandahár is situated in this territory. When the throne of Ghazní came to Alptigín, his general Subuk-tigín made several attacks upon Lamghán and Multán, and carried off many prisoners. Unable to endure these attacks, the Afgháns applied in their extremity to Jaipál, the Rájá of Láhore, and com­plained of Subuktigín's inroads. Jaipál was aware that the army of Hindústán could not continuously occupy those parts, in con­sequence of the extreme cold; so he consulted with the Rájá of Bhátiya, and by his advice he called to his presence Shaikh Hamíd, a man of great consideration among the Afgháns, and raised him to the dignity of amír. Shaikh Hamíd in this way obtained possession of the territory of Lamghán and Multán (two of three main capitals of Awghanistan), and carried on the government on his own behalf. Thus, at that date the Afgháns obtained an amír of their own, and became people of importance. When Alptigín was dead, and Subuktigín had succeeded him, Shaikh Hamíd thought it advisable to avoid war; so he sent to Subuktigín a message, saying: “You and I are both Musulmáns, and so ...

... army of the Mughals being firmly determined either to slay Dáúd or fall themselves, met him in the battle-field; where, after many valiant rencontres, the Kálá Pahár, or “Black Mountain,” who led the advanced guard of the Afgháns, was repulsed and slain. The Afgháns were then put to flight. Dáúd Sháh Kirání was brought in a prisoner, his horse having fallen with him. Khán Jahán, seeing Dáúd in this condition, asked him if he called himself a Musulmán, and why he had broken the oaths which he had taken on the Kur'án and before ...

... soon recovered his health at Dehlí. Whilst the Sultán was thus engaged in endeavouring to restore cultivation, the news was brought that Sháhú Afghán had re­belled in Multán, and had killed Bihzád, the náíb. Malik Nawá fled from Multán to Dehli. Sháhú had collected a party of Afgháns, and had taken possession of the city. The Sultán pre­pared his forces and marched towards Multán, but he had made only a few marches when Makhdúma-i Jahán, his mother, died in Dehlí. * * The Sultán was much grieved. * * He pursued his march, and when he was only a few marches from Multán, Sháhú submitted, and sent to say that he repented of what he had done. He fled with his Afgháns to Afghánistán, and the Sultán pro­ceeded to Sannám. From thence he went to Agroha, where he rested awhile, and afterwards to Dehlí, where the famine was very severe, and man was devouring man. The Sultán strove to restore cultivation, and had wells dug, but the people could do nothing. ...

READ MORE ABOUT THEM HERE: http://persian.packhum.org/persian/index.jsp?serv=pf&file=03501050&ct=0 --Tajik-Professor 15:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, so we cannot put all this long text in the article. Here's the resume and the main message of all this text, which you had written: In his Baburnama, Babur calls Afghanistan the southern territories of Kabulistan and north of Kandahar that were inhabited by nomadic Khilijs (Ghilzais) (Kuchis) who traveled from Sindh to Khorasan and from Khorasan to Sindh. Khilijs were also called "Afghans" by Babur. and it is there in the text, no one removed it.Ariana310 15:54, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok! ...but can you add that the Khiljas of Ghazna were just a remnant of the Khilijas who moved to Delhi and Suleiman Mountains with their ruler? Timur wrote there lived in Ghazana around 2000 of them. Maybe you should write southern of kabulistan there was called as Afghanistan like the Kohistan district of Pakistan, you know. Because Khalajs self are turks who just identified themself with Afghans and their figure was not important enough (ca. 2000 souls).

Ps:hope you get my message + sorry for my words and hope you read just one time the quotes ;)--Tajik-Professor 16:37, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Opium ref

Koko, I actually quite admire the additions that you made to the article. Your text was excellent and you are obviously knowledgable on the subject. However, I do still object to the deletion of a well-sourced reference about opium production. The source, which is recent, clearly states that opium production increased 60% last year. Regarding your edit summary, I don't see how we can possibly conclude that opium production has declined this year; given that it's only May it would seem like a premature assertion. I do support all of your additions and hope that we can compromise, simply by replacing the text and ref that were deleted. Thanks for your consideration. Doc Tropics 02:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

In the previous paragraph, it's already mentioning opium, then, in the economy section it further mentions opium for the 3rd time in a row. I think that's just not a good article. The subsection (latest on afghanistan -2007-) should not mention this stuff. The gov. of afghanistan this year destroyed poppy crop more than they have ever done in the past 5 years, so it is not correct to state that production has increased when in reality it is declining this year. One report says one thing and another says the opposit, it's not worth going by western news articles, most just speculate, we rather rely on afghan government reports, as they know what is going on in their country, and by now they do have very reliable information sources. I believe writing about the new Pak/Afghan tension over the border attacks is more important in the latest subsection, something never seen before.--KoKolicious 02:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I think it might still be too early to say that the production is down, but I would be very interested in seeing a cite if you can provide one. If two valid refs contradict each other, the proper thing to do would probably be to use them both, as opposing views. I know it bothers you that the opium production is being mentioned 3 times in relatively rapid succession, but the first and third refs are very closely linked. The first ref shows that production had indeed been down (under the Taliban), and the third (now deleted) ref, showed that it is up again. I think that the relationship between the two statements is important. Let me suggest this: Let's replace the text that got deleted, then we can add a new sentence like "As of 2007, production was down 30% due to government efforts" as soon as you can provide the ref for it. I'm trying hard to find a compromise and hope that this will be suitable.
BTW - I think that the subsection header "latest on Afghanistan" is very bad. That I plan to delete : ) Doc Tropics 03:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

literacy rate

I'm a little confused as to how the male literacy rate and the female literacy rate are BOTH larger than the total literacy rate (in the education section). Are there a whole bunch of illiterate hermaphrodites and transsexuals in afghanistan?

Phrenophobia 10:31, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out, someone has recently edited the correct literacy rate in the article. However, the total of Male and Female literacy rates being equal to the total population's literacy rate is NOT a necessary condition. The male literacy rate and female literacy rate are counted on base of male/female proportion in the population.
The most recent estimation about the literacy rate (as of 1999) is 36% for the entire population, 51% for male and 21% for female; according to the CIA world factbook. -Ariana310 13:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Great. But as a strictly mathematical point, it IS a requirement that the total literacy rate be no smaller than the minimum of the male and female literacy rates. The proof? Let there be M males and F females, who read at rates P and Q respectively. Then the total reading rate will be R = (PM + QF)/(M+F). If P >= Q, then evidently PM+QF >= Q(M+F) so R >= Q. Likewise, were Q >= P, then R >= P. Thus R is at least the minimum of P and Q. Phrenophobia 14:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
The national census of Afghanistan will be held in 2008. They are preparing the work this year and the final outcome will be revealed next year. This was delayed because the UNHCR wanted to count all the Afghans living in Pakistan and Iran first, which was completed by March 2007 and now it's time to count all the Afghans living inside Afghanistan. So, we will learn next year about the official numbers of each ethnic group and the total number of people living in the country. The CIA numbers are not official but just rough estimates.--LloydKame 17:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

questionable court decisions

Doesn't it break the "NPOV" neutruality rule to refer to any of the Supreme Court's decisions as "questionable"?

Soviet invasion vs US conflict

Why "Soviet invasion of Afghanistan" and "conflict with the US" ? I mean, why is the Soviet one an invasion, and the US one a conflict? If this is to imply that the Soviet Union managed to invade successfully, and the the US got mired in fighting and never succeeded, I'd submit that this is not so, and that the US has actually had as much success in its invasion as the Soviets had -- really, even more success!

The Soviet Union entered Afghanistan on December 24, 1979, in a well planned "full scale invasion" with 100,000 troops. The United States on October 7, 2001, went to Afghanistan on a "special mission", with less than 5,000 troops, to help the Afghan people. As soon as this mission began, in December 2001, the United Nations ("world community") gathered and prepared an international "peacekeeping force" (ISAF) to help the new government of Hamid Karzai. This does not constitute an invasion but only a helping hand from the "world community". The United States and NATO forces are in Afghanistan "ONLY" for peacekeeping purposes, which has been done in many countries. As a matter of fact, the people of Afghanistan do not want the US and NATO peacekeeping force to leave their country. This was the opposite with the Soviet Union in the 1980s, nearly every Afghan wanted the Soviets to leave their country.--LloydKame 15:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh, the US invaded Afghanistan. The difference between this and the Soviet incursion was the USSR was trying to add Afghanistan as a satellite country to the USSR, which they forcibly occupied and subjugated the country. The internal security and rebuilding of the country is an international effort, sure, but ISAF was created after the US well into its invasion. Shadowrun 00:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
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