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January 27

Superscripted references?

I notice that many articles have superscripted numbers for references. How do I get links to appear superscripted like that? Wildcat2011 (talk) 00:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Citations. The way I usually do it is I put the reference in between ref tags <ref> </ref> at the place where I want the superscript, then have a references section that just says <references/> . The footnotes are then generated automatically using the information from between the ref tags. There are other ways to do it, e.g. Harvard citation. --Coppertwig (talk) 01:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Also see WP:FOOT. --Teratornis (talk) 02:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Insert a picture.

On January 27, 2008, I was attempting to insert a picture that I have taken with my digital camera. I have it uploaded. It is called Open Mouth.jpg. As you may guess, I was trying to insert it into the article called Mouth (human). But no matter how I tried, I could not insert it. Can you please tell me how to do so? I am very sorry to say that I did not understand the how-to in the help bage. Thank you. Jessica DeVoto (talk) 03:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

You attempted inserting the correct code on your third edit ([[Image:Open Mouth.jpg|thumb|A human mouth, open]]) but you were placing the image inside the infobox, rather than into the article. The infobox, as far as I'm aware, can only take one image. If you try again, do so outside the infobox and you shouldn't have a problem. I feel bad saying it but I feel compelled to mention that the image is really very blurry, and thus I'm not sure if it's useable.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I tried inserting it again, this time outside the infobox, and it still does not show up when I save the page. What am I doing wrong? P.S.: I looked at the picture in a smaller size, and I don't think it looks terrible. The uploaded version appears really big, and I think that makes it look pixelated. Thank you, Jessica DeVoto (talk) 15:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

You are inserting it in a gallery. In this case you should omit the usual square brackets and the |thumb parameter. This worked fine for me in preview mode. I have to say I agree with Fuhghettaboutit on the quality. You need better lighting for the shot. SpinningSpark 16:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia legal listserv

A discussion is ongoing on the Village Pump about libel and Wikipedia. I seem to remember reading that there is a listserv for Wikipedia-related legal matters. I'd like to send a message to its members. Does anyone know the address? Thanks -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The legal mailing list address is unpublished, but you can send your message to info-en-q AT wikimedia DOT org, and they'll handle it. WODUP 04:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks -- Mwalcoff (talk) 05:02, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Your query isn't really of the sort that the OTRS legal queue (not a traditional listserv, as WODUP notes) exists to address so you may well not receive any really helpful reply. Since the questions you raise might be of interest to the broader community (while the Foundation may, of course, act as it likes with respect to the prospective legal liabilities of itself and, I suppose, its contributors, the community are often peripherally involved in discussions relating to how we might report on issues that reasonably present libel concerns), you might elicit more views by writing the WikiEN-l mailing list (of which at least a few members, I think, are relatively well-schooled in certain aspects of media law), which is really a companion to VPP, or, perhaps, if it seems necessary, Foundation-l. 69.142.58.232 (talk) 08:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Problem with template

Is there something wrong with the warning template? When I type in the subst:uw-vandalism4 template enclosed by {{}}, the below shows up instead..
This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to [[:{{{1}}}]], you will be blocked from editing. {{{2}}}

Nuttycoconut (talk) 04:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there is an issue. Random832 changed the template and that is an accidental result. I am going to contact him and put it in IRC. SorryGuy  Talk  05:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Turns out it is only semi-protect, heh, going to revert it myself. SorryGuy  Talk  05:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, all fixed now, thanks. --Nuttycoconut (talk) 08:51, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

table restarts list numbering

I need to enter something like:

# one
# two
{|
|foo
|-
|bar
|}
# three

When it renders by MediaWiki I get "three" numbered 1 instead of 3. How can I make "three" be numbered 3, i.e. continue the list rather than start a new one? Thanks, Anna K. (talk) 08:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

How about

# one
# two
{|
|foo
|-
|bar
|}
<ol start="3">
<li>three</li>
</ol>

? WODUP 09:02, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Admin

HI how do i become admin on the site thanks a lot Onlinegamer1 (talk) 09:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, instructions can be found here but you will need a lot of edits and trust from the community. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 09:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

ORDINATION

HOW DO I GET ORDAINED? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KaronKMV (talk • contribs) 12:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

You should probably ask your question at the Humanities section of the reference desk. The help desk here is for answering questions about how to use Wikipedia and as we do not ordain our editors we cannot help you. SpinningSpark 16:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Well... this page does work to ordain editors in the Church (Cult?) of Wikipedia's degrees in WP:NOT, WP:COI, and WP:V. Now, if only we had a Wikipedia OT III level we'd be all set.  ;-) —Noah 17:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there a part of Wikipedia on how to do things?

Is there a part of wikipedia or it's sister projects that is a wiki on how to do things, for example, make a cake. or build a dog house. or something like that? Cause I wish to browse and contribute to it if there is one.

122.104.244.33 (talk) 13:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)SKRIPI122.104.244.33 (talk) 13:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikihow at [1] is what you are looking for - and thank you for your question. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 13:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, Wikibooks, a sister project of Wikipedia, has some how-to guides like a cookbook, but how-to isn't their main focus. However, they do have a How-tos bookshelf. NF24^{(radio me!)} 13:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I think Wikihow is a separate organization, not a sister project of Wikipedia; i.e. not hosted by the Wikimedia foundation. --Coppertwig (talk) 18:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Right. wikiHow uses the same MediaWiki software but is otherwise unrelated to Wikipedia and the Wikimedia foundation. See Wikimedia:Our projects for the current Wikimedia projects. There is a small howto wiki at http://howto.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page but Wikia is not a Wikimedia project (although there are some ties between the two). PrimeHunter (talk) 21:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

How can I publish this text?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=187088314

Audiman22000 (talk) 15:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance. Happy editing! • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 16:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Once you've figured out whether your topic is suitable for Wikipedia, you can create the page by typing the name of it into the search box, just as if you're looking for the page, and click "go". It will tell you the page doesn't exist, and give you a red link "Create this page". Click on that link to create the page. --Coppertwig (talk) 18:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Afd

When I nominate an article for deletion, does a bot automatically notify the creator? (It seems to have done it for Jack Truman.) Clarityfiend (talk) 17:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

No. If you use Twinkle then it will automatically inform the user; see that page for more info. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 17:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I looked at the case and User:BJBot did actually notify the creator.[2] Special:Contributions/BJBot shows many such notifications. I don't know whether it will always happen. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Template formating

Need some help regarding the {{UStaxation}} template. There are a few areas in this template that use a show / hide feature. However, there is an issue with the text size on these headers. The text size looks correct at 110% on IE and Firefox but looks correctly sized at 100% on Safari. Since the top headers use a different class then the lower ones, I'm not sure what the deal is. I need help trying to get these things to look correct across platforms. Thanks Morphh ^(talk) 18:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll try using pixel definitions to keep the text size the same for every browser. Mind trying it out? I don't have Safari. Thanks, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 18:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

That looks pretty good - better than before. In this one, it looks the same in Firefox and Safari but slightly smaller (compared to the top headers) in IE, but not enough to be of concern. I'll work with the other headers using pixels to see if it makes any difference but this does improve it. Thanks Morphh ^(talk) 18:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good; I'll look some more, maybe there's a way to make it always look the same. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 18:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for Comment

There's a "Request for comment" going that I'm involved in. I would like to have some "outside" input, in addition to editors and admins already involved with the matter. Are there appropriate places to post a request for input without being accused of canvassing? Thanks, Wanderer57 (talk) 18:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

You could put something on your userpage. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 18:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Or you might include a link in your signature. - PeaceNT (talk) 18:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Putting a link in a signature would probably not be the correct way to do that, as it could be construed as WP:CANVASSING. Corvus cornix_talk 20:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you both for your suggestions. By the way, here is my message:

As many people are aware, RFC's are improved by getting broader, non-partisan input.

Thus far the pattern of endorsements in the new Whig 2-Filll-Adam Cuerden RFC is largely along "party lines". It would be helpful and refreshing to also get input from some people who are uncommitted or less committed to one position or another.

I ask that people who have not reviewed the RFC please do so. It is HERE Thank you. Wanderer57 (talk) 19:37, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

infobox image placement interference

I have been having trouble getting the image at Garland Rivers to appear at the top of the college section. It seems it will only appear lower than the bottom of the infobox. Is this correctible?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

This is a problem with how floating elements work in almost all browsers. It is quite annoying to be honest and proof that much of the CSS styling was tacked onto tables and other HTML with little regard for how stuff is supposed to work. It was solved for the Article Message Boxes (cleanup and deletion templates) after much CSS and HTML testing. I guess we could fix it for pictures and infoboxes if we put some significant amount of time and effort into it, and it would require a Mediawiki software update... --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 20:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I fixed it by reversing a recent change in the NFL player template that had introduced two stacked right side infoboxes, instead of one. Apparently with 2 of those, left clear items start bunching after the first infobox and before the second infobox (no idea why...) --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 21:02, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia's strict definition of "fair use"

I'd like to use the following image on Wikipedia. [3] I uploaded it, but it was deleted under the claim that it violates copyright.

The image is derived from two sources:

• This image held by Wikimedia, under the GFDL
• A Chinese propaganda poster from the 50's, photographed by Michael Wolf, licensed to Taschen, which I then modified using photoshop. So it is itself a derivative work.

Both images I got from Wikipedia, but the second image I have been unable to find.

Because my image is a parody (and a political one at that), there's no non-free equivalent, and doesn't harm any outside business (it's the cover of Taschen's book on Chinese propaganda), it definitely falls under the legal definition of "fair use."

However, Wikipedia policy as it's worded now is more strict than the actual law on fair use:

Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy

For purposes of this policy "non-free content" means all copyrighted images and other media files that lack a free content license. Such material may be used on the English Wikipedia only where all 10 of the following criteria are met.

1. No free equivalent
2. Respect for commercial opportunities.
3. Previous publication
4. Previous publication
5. Content
6. Media-specific policy
7. One-article minimum
8. Significance
9. Restrictions on location
10. Image description page

The law states that those ten criteria must be generally met, not that they all must be completely met.

It's probably not a good idea to re-word the policy (because having it be strict is a good thing), but since what I'm doing is totally legal, is it possible for me to re-upload it, with the fair use justification that I have? ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 19:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia's Fair Use policy is more strict than the American Fair Use law. But the Foundation has demanded this to be as sure as possible that we don't get sued over anything. You are welcome to try and change the rules, but I have little hope that you will succeed. Best what I can advise you is to design a new image, or use it on your weblog or another "privately" operated server. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 20:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

It’s not just a concern over law suits: The more important purpose of the non-free media policy is to discourage non-free images—maximizing the reusability of Wikipedia content. Some Wikipedias do not allow any non-free images. So the English Wikipedia policy is a compromise.

(Even without the non-free content policy I see no encyclopedic purpose for your image; it seems the image equivalent of WP:OR.) --teb728 t c 21:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Using images from wikipedia

I was wondering what the imaging licensing policy if I wanted to use images for a lecture to broadcast —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.170.113.170 (talk) 19:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

You may be interested in reading Wikipedia:Copyrights. It details the specific rights of separate parts of wikipedia. If you need further assistance, please include a link to the file in question. Hope this helps! --omtay38 20:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Report

Hi, Where can I report errors or anything else to Wikipedia staff? Can you also tell me their email address? Thanks!

Wikipedia is run almost entirely by volunteers. There are only around a dozen paid staff, while there are millions of volunteer editors (over 6 million, plus however many edit without an account). So, if you see an error or another problem anywhere on Wikipedia, you can either fix it yourself, bring it up on the article's talk page, ask an editor who has previously worked on the article to fix it, or mention it on a discussion page such as the village pump.

Actually, this page is one such page where you can mention things like that, so if you have a specific error or problem in mind, just say what it is right here and someone will take a look at it. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 20:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Contact us, reached by clicking "Contact Wikipedia" in the interaction box to the left. It leads to email addresses for some kinds of problems. If you say the problem here then we can guide you better or maybe fix it immediately. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much.:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.243.135 (talk) 22:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia

Regarding my previous comment on Wikipedia which i've cancelled. Is it possible to create a new Department on wikipedia, simular to the counter-vandalism unit or other departments which follow's the rules without the page getting nominated for deletion, the reason why i'm asking is because certain user's have been creating departments which sound's like it's attempting to disrupt Wikipedia, i'm wanting to create one which follow's all rules and performs furios tasks throughout wikipedia, but i'm wondering whether it's possible. →Dust Rider→ 20:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure quite what you're suggesting. My guess is what you're looking to do is create a new WikiProject, in which case the page I linked you to has some advice. If you are, you'll want to figure out before proposing it exactly what the WikiProject would do. A WikiProject that is of interest only to a very small number of people or that duplicates already existing projects won't be very successful. Also, I'm not sure what you're referring to with projects attempting to disrupt Wikipedia; I've never seen a WikiProject as a whole being disruptive, though individual members might be occasionally. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 21:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Problems logging back in

Hello, I having problems logging back in. My user name is Rocketmaniac. I tried to go to my watchlist, (I had selected "remberber me") but it made me log in again. I didn't remember my password, so I did the "Email new password". After getting the email, I tried the confermation code, but it said wrong or invalid code. (I cut and pasted the code so to not enter it wrong). Now what do I do? I tried "email new password" again, but only 1 emailed password in 24 hrs. Thanks, Rocketmaniac (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

"E-mail new password" should send a mail called "New temporary password for Wikipedia", containing a password to be entered at Special:Userlogin. But you speak of a confirmation code which is what you use to enable email for an account as described at Help:Email confirmation. The confirmation code is clicked, or copied to your browser address bar, and mine came in a mail called "Wikipedia e-mail address confirmation". Could you be mixing the two concepts? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Problem solved. It was an issue of correct capitals. Earlier I was using a capital "R" in Rocketmaniac, but when I just tried rocketmaniac it worked fine. Thanks, Rocketmaniac (talk) 23:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Good it works now, but I guess something else was different before. It doesn't matter whether the first username letter is capitalized. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Loc map in the Infobox Mid-air accident template is malfunctioning

Resolved

 – Fixed template to remove dependence on an old parser “misfeature.”

Hi! Can somebody explain me, why suddenly the template:Location map in template:Infobox Mid-air accident doesnt present itself correcly? Can somebody make it work again? I myself have no idea, what is wrong... *sob* :-) --Homer Landskirty (talk) 22:42, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh... Maybe I should add an example: Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937... --Homer Landskirty (talk) 22:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh man, where to start... Well basically this stopped working because it is misusing bugs that were present in the old mediawiki parser and were fixed in the past week. The problem is though, I have no idea what it actually wants to do. It seems it is using locationmap template, and inserting extra paramaters into it. I'll go ask on IRC if a developer knows what is supposed to be done in these cases. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 23:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Fixed --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 00:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Kewl... Thx... :-) --Homer Landskirty (talk) 07:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought, it was not a bug but a feature... :-) --Homer Landskirty (talk) 07:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

printing??

How do I:

1) print Wikipedia articles the best?

2) CHANGE the FONT to a larger font??

3) print so the blue "hot link" references print out also —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.18.187 (talk) 23:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

To enlarge the font size on Wikipedia pages (or any page for that matter), you'll need to change your browser settings. For Firefox, this can be found under View -> Text size. To get a version of a Wikipedia page that is better for printing, use the printable version. You can access the printable version by clicking the Printable version link in the toolbox on the sidebar, or by adding &printable=yes to the end of the URL. The printable version will print links as well, but they won't be colored blue. Of course, you won't need to click on them when they're on paper, anyway. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 23:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

If you're using the default Monobook skin, it's not necessary to use the "printable version" link for printing, see Help:Printable. As far as I know the only reason this link exists is that if it didn't, people would be asking for it all the time, not realising printing just works. --Dapeteばか 12:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

January 28

Note: Ron Barker's question moved down to January 29 section

My Page?

Okay heres what happened: I wanted to put user boxes on my page. So I clicked on my name, typed in a user box adress and saved it. Wel when I clicked on my name agin it said the user box adress I typed in. I didnt know what to do, so i clicked on it and typed in the page deletion code. know the candtiade for speedy deletion banner is up and I dont know what to do! Please Help Me!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Olfordtrucks (talk • contribs) 00:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! I removed the speedy deletion notice, assuming that is what you wanted. In the future, feel free to remove such notices if they were placed by yourself mistakenly. Also, remember to sign your edits! Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 00:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

voting in the primary presidential election

If I am registered as an indepenednt party member can I vote democratic or republcan in the presidential primary?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.74.141 (talk • contribs)

This desk is for questions about using wikipedia. For general knowledge questions, please utilize the reference desk.--172.168.50.11 (talk) 00:15, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It depends on state (I assume you mean US), but probably not. Prodego ^talk 00:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

See Primary election#Primary systems state-by-state. Your IP address is registered in New Jersey. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

So How Do I do it?

Step by step on how to make a page like people have. I will have only userboxes. No pics or writing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Olfordtrucks (talk • contribs) 00:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I assume you mean a userpage? Have a quick read through that page and you're set to go; you might also want to see here for some userboxes. Also, please remember to sign your edits! Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 00:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you want User:Olfordtrucks/Userboxes/GWolf to be deleted? Maybe you intended to add {{User:Joshua dude/Userboxes/GWolf}} to User:Olfordtrucks to get the box at User:Joshua dude/Userboxes/GWolf. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I just click my name, click the edit this page tab, and start typing? I write a sentience, and then write the address for a userbox?Olfordtrucks (talk) 00:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Yup, that's all there is to it. If you have any more questions about this, please feel free to visit my talk page. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 00:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedians' attention

What's the most effective way of recruiting more Wikipedians' attention to articles needing improvement? Brianreading (talk) 00:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Joining a WikiProject associated with the article (for example, the History WikiProject would be a good WikiProject for WWII). Also, you may stub or categorize the article accordingly, so that if an editor is looking for an article of that subject they may find it. I find WikiProjects to be the most effective, personally, as you're in touch with other editors every step of the way. If an article is in disrepair, templates such as {{unreferenced}} may help attract attention; for example, to get attention for sourcing use a template at Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles, while a pure cleanup request could consist of a template from Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 00:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've already created a WikiProject, but it doesn't seem to help much. I need a way to promote that this WikiProject is out there I guess. Thanks for your help! Brianreading (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

There was once a template {{Improve}} which added Category:Pages needing expert attention and this box:

But that could be said for most articles as argued at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 September 22#Template:Improve. Unless there is something really bad like legal problems, please don't be too aggressive in attempts to get attention for specific articles by notifying others. Template tagging and a relevant WikiProject is usually OK but you asked for the most effective way and that would probably involve an inappropriate number of posts scattered over Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

session cookies

how do I get session cookies in my browser? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.169.108 (talk) 02:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It depends on your browser and what you mean by "get". Does Help:Logging in#Enable cookies solve your problem? PrimeHunter (talk) 02:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) They're created automatically when you log in through Special:Userlogin. For them to work, you'll need to enable cookies in your browser. In Firefox, options for enabling or disabling cookies can be found under Tools -> Options -> Privacy -> Cookies; in Internet Explorer, I think it's somewhere under Tools -> Internet options. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 02:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Finding categories and wikiProjects

Where can I find lists of categories (Such as articles in need of copyediting, and stubs). Also, where can I find wikiProjects? Thanks! Viper Shadow (talk) 02:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there! Sorry about the wait to answer your question! :( Anyway, a list of WikiProjects may be found here, while a list of categories may be found here (note that there are a few ways to see all the categories; see Wikipedia:Categorization#See also for all of them). In case you'd like it too, a list of stubs may be found here. Cheers, and I hope that helps! Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 03:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 'Home Page' error?

The Home Page describes Wikipedia as a 'Free' Encyclopedia. The description is in many languages and as far as I can tell (English, German, French, Italian, Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish) the English colloquial 'Free' is used in the sense of 'without charge' or 'costless'.

Am I wrong, or are not the words used in the other languages words that mean more in the vein of 'liberated' or 'having been released from prison' than 'costless or gratis'? Do the words freie, libre, vrije, libera, fria, livre translate in this way or do they not have more to do with liberation, release or escape?

For example, in German, the word 'Freiheit' is literally the English 'Freedom' as in 'let freedom ring'. Should not the word 'Kostenlos' be used rather than 'Freie'? In a German pet shop, when birds are on sale 2 for 1, the second bird is not 'frei' unless he escapes out the door.

I am not a native speaker in these languages but as I recall, of the ones I have studied, they do not use the literal translation of the English 'free' to mean 'without monetary cost'.

I know no one is going to try and tell me that the English 'Free Encyclopedia' means that this encyclopedia is more liberated than others. That can well be argued and in all probability is true, but when any American reads 'Free Encyclopedia' he has only one thought: Freebie!!

Any multilingual heavy hitters out there?Tgdf (talk) 04:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, excellent point. The Spanish 'libre', as taught to me, can apply to free consumables and the like, but the point you raise about the German form seems valid. However, in the Rammstein song Feuer Frei the article states that the literal translation is "fire free", so I'm not sure. I'll be sure to ask a German editor as soon as I can. Thanks for bringing this up! Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Again, "fire free" would mean 'without fire, or liberated or released from fire' not 'fire, which charges no money'.Tgdf (talk) 04:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

This section of the Main Page FAQ might help answer your question. The 'free' does indeed refer to freedom, as this is the free content encyclopedia. Raven4x4x (talk) 04:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the Main Page FAQ link. Seems like I'm not the first to ask this question. I don't like the answer they give, but I don't want to get nasty and I don't want to go into the amount of research it would take to refute the claim that the Main Page use of 'free' is correct. I think the Japanese have made their decision by, as was remarked, using the borrowed word to avoid having to make a choice as to what the meaning of the word 'free' is in the Main Page context. Inscrutability must have it's advantages. Sayonara. Tgdf (talk) 18:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not really inscrutable. "Free" used on Wikipedia is indeed referring to freedom, as inspired by the Open source software movement. -- Kesh (talk) 20:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Which is more important, information or references?

I see that Wikipedia wants references and not original research. This is easy if you want to write about a person or city.

How about Patronymic? This article is very informative. But it's entirely original research.

Which is more important, lack of original research or information? Whoaslow (talk) 04:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

You address a number topics, I will address one. In the case of Patronymic you are confusing "original research" with "researched, but citations missing." —Noah 04:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, that reduces it to a personal opinion. Or are you aware of an accepted standard to distinguish the two? (Of course, I'm aware of WP:OR, but I have not found it very useful in real life content disputes. I found it much more helpful to go by WP:RS and WP:V. The only parts of WP:OR that I found helpful are the ones discussing differend sources - which doesn't apply when no sources are given.) — Sebastian 04:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It's often hard to tell whether unsourced content is original research. The history of Patronymic shows a lot of contributors so at least some of them were probably working from reliable sources. The article has some external links, and google:Patronym and google:Patronymic easily finds information about the subject. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Besides, every judgement we make in Wikipedia is based on opinion. "Use common sense"... if it is not referenced, then encourage others to add references. It does not mean that the entire article is "useless" because the references were not provided before. It means the article is still being developed to achieve our Wikipedia goals. As long as the information seems reasonable and can be judged to be written by people who understood the article, there is no problem. If you read a claim in the article that looks dubious or really does need a quotation to avoid looking dubious, then either removing the information or adding a {{fact}} template might be required. More stringent rules apply for biographies of living people, but that is another category of articles. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:Karcher Mall.JPG

So something is up with Image:Karcher Mall.JPG. Its somehow listed as being in dozens of pages it doesn't appear it. I'm guessing this is a transclusion error somewhere. How do I hunt it down? MBisanz ^talk 05:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, and welcome to the help desk! Image:Karcher Mall.JPG is included in {{Twin cities shopping malls}}, which is in turn included in the articles. Therefore, the image indirectly is transcluded into them. Hope that helps! Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 05:15, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you MBisanz ^talk 05:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I NEED HELP

Hello. I am not sure, if I ever signed in, for a new account or not. My name is Christabel Savalas and I am trying to open an account, so that I can put my writer, mother Helena MacRee Tsavalas in the wikipedia net. I am computer illeterate, so I need help. She is a published writer, and I like to know how to start things here. Can someone email me a phone number so that he/she can 'walk' me through this in the computer? I am so clueless. Thank you. I like to add things in wikipedia. Perhaps, someone can view her website and add it for me? Website: www.christabelsavalas.com/helena

Thank you for your time. My phone number is: <phone number removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.67.69 (talk) 06:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.

The links above should guide you through the process of creating an account and your first article. However, please make sure that you confirm your mother's notability before creating an article. Thank you, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 06:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Populating a Category

I am having problem in populating a category Duplicate Articles. Problem is i am trying to populate it using the template {{Duplication}}, I have added the category code in the template but the category page isn't populated still. Can anyone help me out? --SMS ^Talk 09:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

You can write {{tl|Duplication}} to link to a template. I have fixed your post which linked to the article Duplication. 1) You added <includeonly>[[Category:Duplicate Articles|{{PAGENAME}}]]</includeonly> inside a noinclude part so the category is never added. 2) After a template has added a category, articles which use the template must be edited in order to update the category with the article. A null edit is enough but a purge is not. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I also fixed your category link. Write [[:Category:Duplicate Articles]] with : in front to link a category instead of adding the page to the category. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you all! SMS ^Talk 12:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not search-friendly.

Hi,

I am a huge Wiki fan. The amount of time I spend browsing Wiki is beyond compare. However, I am not too happy about the search friendliness of Wiki. For instance, Wiki is not friendly when it comes to mispelt words. I had trouble searching for Johan Cruyff once. It would be extremely helpful if Wiki could give alternate spelling suggestions or closest entries on searching.

regards, Nikhil Wiki fan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.95.197.86 (talk) 09:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It would, but unfortunately at the moment that kind of feature is not available in MediaWiki (the developers are kept quite busy). However, there are a few things you might be able to do - first, Google has a spelling suggestion feature like you describe, and it's possible to restrict searches to Wikipedia by including the keyword site:en.wikipedia.org in your search. (Incidentally, the use of the word wiki to refer to Wikipedia is generally discouraged, because if any wiki can be called Wiki, it's the original WikiWiki.) Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 10:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Messages

Look, I haven't touched any pages on Wikipedia, but I got a message saying that I'd touched some pages previously changed by other people —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markazzo123 (talk • contribs) 09:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

On your talk page I can see two warning messages. One is about an article you wrote that got speedily deleted, the other about an image that had the same fate. It is possible that you were not logged in, and your IP address matched that of someone who was previously warned for vandalism. It happens, unfortunately, but is unlikely to have any negative repercussions for you. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 10:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Your IP address is considered confidential by Wikipedia so we cannot check that this is what happened but it sounds likely. If you reach the talk page of the IP address and click "User contributions" in the toolbox to the left then you can see non-deleted edits by that IP address (only administrators can see the deleted edits). PrimeHunter (talk) 11:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Inaccurate information cited

I was looking up information regarding Paula Abdul. Please look at her bio you have on your site and you will see that someone has put that she was born a male, etc. Who verifies the information entered on this site? How can something happen like this and how do you think you will be able to maintain a good reputation if items such as these are entered? Just thought I should let you know. THANKS!12.163.97.74 (talk) 10:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know. It was vandalism and somebody reverted it before you posted here. Another time you are welcome to revert vandalism by yourself. It's often easier than reporting it. See Help:Reverting. Criticism of Wikipedia may be of interest to you. Most vandalism is reverted quickly. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox problem in Chiranjeevi

Resolved

i dont know whats the problem.. but the image isnt proper.. could someone help me? Σαι ( Talk ) 11:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I fixed it.[4] See Template:Infobox actor for the template documentation. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought images must be linked in infoboxes.. Σαι ( Talk ) 12:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It depends on the infobox code so don't rely on this example. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Two questions

1.Why does white papers turn yellow with passing time? 2.When did first Alien landed on earth and where? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.16.133.91 (talk) 13:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. NF24^{(radio me!)} 13:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Interesting questions. Since paper is made from wood, it darkens over time for the same reason that wood does. A substance called lignin darkens with exposure to light and air. (howstuffworks.com) Now, for your second question, I assume you are referring to extraterrestrial people. There is no concrete proof that aliens have ever visited Earth. —Travis^talk 16:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit button disappears

Let's look at User talk:TlatoSMD. There is something wrong with the code so I couldn't find the way to edit each section (the edit button strangely disappears). It probably came from my fault when I sent him a message. Please help. @pple complain 13:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, your message contained {{talkarchive}} which adds the magic word __NOEDITSECTION__ (because archives are not meant to be edited). It was resolved by removing the text which contained the template. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Something wrong with Template:Pakistani Cities

Resolved

 – Fixed template to remove dependence on an old parser “misfeature.”

There appears to be something wrong with the Pakistani Cities template,for instance looking at the Rawalpindi article, it displays the Coordinates as 33|36|00|N|73|02|00|E|region:PK_type:city|display=inline,title. That is, the raw wiki code is visible in the article itself.

Can someone fix this.

ThanksPahari Sahib (talk) 15:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. It was a new preprocessor issue. Woody (talk) 15:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :-)

Regards Pahari Sahib (talk) 15:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

hOW TO OPERATE WIKIPEDIA

PLS I WILL LIKE TO KNOW HOW TO TO SEARCH FOR STUDIES IN WIKIPEDIA SIT MOSRLY VIDEOS IN (AUTOMOBILE MECHANICS,ALLY MECHANICS,PHISICS,MATHEMATICS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.220.3.73 (talk) 18:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you could be more specific with your question? If you would like to search for a topic, you can use the search box in the left hand toolbar. Hope this helps! --omtay38 18:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

San Diego County Fair

I am the Internet Marketing Specialist for the Del Mar Fairgrounds and San Diego County Fair. We want to thank the person(s) who wrote the original article on the San Diego County Fair. We have found it to be accurate and objective.

I have edited portions of the San Diego County Fair article to bring it up to date and to correct the titles of a couple of our exhibits. However, I find that I am unable to edit the opening paragraph, which states that attendance has risen to a "high" of about 1.2 million "in 2004." We set an attendance record in 2007 at 1,265,997, did in fact, beat the record set in 2004. You can verify this on our Web site:

http://www.sdfair.com/fair/index.php?fuseaction=info.attendance

We would like you to change that sentence, or, if you prefer, substitute the sentence "The San Diego County Fair has been among the top ten North American fairs in attendance for the past decade." This will make it a little more timeless. (I inserted a timely attendance comparison in the Features area. That ranking of the top five fairs comes from Venues Today Research.

Thank you! Diane Scholfield Internet Marketing Specialist Del Mar Fairgrounds <e-mail and phone removed by --omtay38> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dianescho (talk • contribs) 18:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there and welcome to wikipedia! You should be able to change the sentence yourself. Try clicking the "edit this page" tab at the top of the window (right above the article title). Might I also suggest the use of Footnotes in this already good article to bring it up to higher quality standards. Best regards! --omtay38 18:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wiener Singakademie

Hi, I wonder if someone could provide me with a quick answer to the following question. I have just created the page Wiener Singakademie following a request at AfC. This is the name of a Vienna choir. I just wondered if it was standard practice to anglicise a name if possible (in this case I'm guessing "Vienna Singing Academy") or to leave it as the original. My guess and preference would probably be the latter, but other people might have other ideas. Thanks. MSGJ (talk) 18:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Quick answer: Wikipedia:Naming conventions. Somebody else may have something more specific to add. Cheers! --omtay38 18:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Very quick answer! wp:Naming_conventions#Use_English_words says to use English words. But I'm not sure if Vienna Singing Academy would be the best translation, so I've created a redirect from this and I'll leave the article at Wiener Singakademie for now. Any better ideas, please shout. MSGJ (talk) 18:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

How to Edit the Title of Page?

Hello, I tried to edit the page for an actor by the name of Bianca Pisciola because the "P" in her surname for some reason in in lower case. How do it edit this in the Title? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cinzano (talk • contribs) 18:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

You need to move the page. To do this, you need to use the move feature. Essentially, you need to use the move tab at the top of the page. If you can't see the move tab, then the page might be protected. In that case, you need to ask an administrator to do it for you. I have moved the Bianca Pisciola page for you this time. Hope this clarifies things. Woody (talk) 19:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Morton Memorial Schools

I just created this page, but for some reason, cannot get the page to like to the list of High Schools in Indiana. Any adivce? Dustihowe  Talk  19:15, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean a category? _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 19:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

List of high schools in Indiana is not a category. It's called "list" but it's edited like any other article. You have no registered edits to it. Have you tried editing it? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I have added the article to Category:High schools in Indiana.[5] Is that what you wanted? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, sorry...I couldnt edit it from the "edit this page" option. I dont know why...Thanks for the help guys!!! Dustihowe  Talk  18:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Blocking Tor exit nodes

Currently, users connecting via Tor are completely blocked from editing Wikipedia. If I run a Tor exit node, would I be blocked from editing too? --grawity ^{talk / PGP} 19:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

No, simply running one will not get you blocked. However, attempting to edit through your TOR node will be blocked. -- Kesh (talk) 20:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

But Wikipedia blocks Tor exits by IP.

example, someone using my PC as exit:

someone's PC -> Tor entry node -> Tor node -> my PC -> Wikipedia

and direct connection from my PC:

my PC -> Wikipedia

so both times Wikipedia only sees my IP (the "my PC" part). How does it know when it is the Tor software making connection to Wikipedia, and when it is my browser?

(okay, that question was a little above my current English skills.) --grawity ^{talk / PGP} 14:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Corporate Memberships

Hello!

I was just curious if you offered any sort of corporate memberships,a nd if so, what is the cost? Please contact me at your earliest convenience! :)

Thanks very much!

Lisa Miller Recruiting Coordinator Avanade, Inc.

e-mail: <blanked> phone: <blanked> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.144.130.7 (talk) 20:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

To quote the Main Page, Wikipedia is “the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.” —Travis^talk 20:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

To quote THEIR webpage: "A joint venture between Accenture and Microsoft, Avanade offers enterprise resource consulting and planning...". Why am I not surprised. :D --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 00:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

No. No "corporate memberships". Wikipedia is the free encyclopaedia, which prides itself on striving for neutral point of view. See also Wikipedia:Business' FAQ, and Wikipedia:Advertisements. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 16:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

tranlastion information

How can I help translate documents in Wikipedia from English to Spanish, if the spanish document does not exist at all? I'm a English-Spanish Translator, and wikipedia has become my most powerful tool when trying to get infomration I'm looking for, but i have notice that sometimes some documents are only in enlgish or any other laguage, but not in spanish, is there I way I can help with the translations?

Regards

Fernando Araya —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferarayac (talk • contribs) 20:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. You can create a page that's a translation of an English Wikipedia page and submit it to the Spanish Wikipedia; to create a page there, do a search on the Spanish Wikipedia (es:Special:Search) for the page, and if it isn't found, there'll be a link to the page, in red, near the top; clicking on that link will allow you to create a page. Make sure you mention that the page is a translation from the English Wikipedia in your edit summary. You can then link the two pages together; put [[en:''name of page in English'']] at the bottom of the Spanish page, and [[es:''name of page in Spanish'']] at the bottom of the English page (using 'edit this page'), to link the pages together. Hope that helps! --ais523 20:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello. The page Wikipedia:Translation may contain the information you are looking for. Alternatively, please see Artículos solicitados on the Spanish Wikipedia. —Travis^talk 20:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Uploading images

I just do not understand with which conditions I can use uploaded images. I read the info about it, but that's just so confusing. I tried a few times to upload and use images, but every single one has been removed. Even one, which had been on for three years has suddenly disappeared, due to something. Maybe it's because English isn't my first language, but I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT ANYMORE. Can you please explain in simple terms to me, what kind of pictures I can use??? I'm getting a bit annoyed by now to put it mildly and getting at the point of just letting it be and cancelling my account. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rune Thandy (talk • contribs) 20:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it's not simple. There are very specific rules due to Copyright law that Wikipedia requires you adhere to. The best way I can explain it: if you took the photo yourself, you can release it for free use by everyone. Just be sure to apply the correct template to explain this when you upload it. If the image was taken by someone else, there are Fair use issues to consider, and it becomes much more complicated. I would advise against uploading images you did not make yourself because, as you have seen, it can be difficult to do correctly. -- Kesh (talk) 20:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Rune. Sorry things haven't been going well, but let me see if I can break it down for you. You can upload three types of images:

1. Images that you personally created. If the image is 100% your creation, for example, you took a picture, or designed something in a photo editor, you can upload it to Wikipedia under a free license. The ones most commonly used on Wikipedia are the GFDL, which is what all text here is licensed under, and/or a Creative Commons license. You can also release your picture into the public domain, which means you give up all rights of ownership. To do this, choose "My own work" from the first upload menu, then choose one of these options. You'll find these in the "licensing" menu on the upload form.
   • Own work, copyleft: Multi-license under GFDL and Creative Commons CC-BY-SA-3.0 and older... (This puts the image under both the GFDL and a Creative Commons license)
   • GFDL (self made -for things that are entirely your own work) (This puts the image under the GFDL only)
   • Attribution ShareAlike 3.0 (This puts the image under a Creative Commons license only)
   • If you want to release your image to the public domain, type {{PD-self}} in the "Summary" box. For some reason, there isn't a choice for that, however this will work.
2. Images that you know are under a free license or public domain. If you did not create the image, but you know it is under one of the licenses listed above, you can go ahead and upload it as I described above. The license may not be correct, but it will be enough to keep it from being deleted while you do the next step. After uploading, have the copyright holder send proof of the image's license, along with a link to the image, to permissions AT wikimedia DOT org. If you do not know the copyright holder, you may do this yourself. Someone with access to the email account will fix the license when they confirm the copyright information.
3. Images that are copyrighted, or those you find on the internet These are the most complicated ones, and probably the reason all of your old images got deleted. Since many images are copyrighted, we don't have the ability to use them as we can other images. However, a part of US Copyright Law called "fair use" allows us to use a limited amount of copyrighted images under certain conditions. However, these images have to meet those criteria to the letter. Here's how to do it without getting things deleted:
   1. Save the image onto your computer. If it's really big, you should edit the image to make it smaller.
   2. Go to the upload form and select the link that most applies to your image. For example, if you're uploading a company logo, choose "logo of an organization, brand, product, etc..."
   3. Fill in as much of the summary section as you can. Leave "Permission" blank for now, we'll get that next.
   4. Under "Permission", make sure you state the following information:
      • That the image is of low resolution (that is, it's not very big)
      • The image cannot be used in a way that would harm the owner financially
      • What article the image will be used in (it MUST be used in at least one!!!)
      • How the image is important to the article
      • That there is no way to get a picture of the same thing that could be freely licensed. For example, a company logo cannot be found under a free license. Even if you take a picture of it somewhere, the logo is still copyrighted. However, a copyrighted picture of a person can be obtained in this manner, so we do not allow copyrighted pictures of people or buildings.

If you have any more questions about this, please let us know. Also, the crew at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems will be happy to assist you, and are a bit more knowledgeable about these procedures. However, as said above, if in doubt, don't upload the image. Have a more experienced editor handle it if you really want to use the picture. I hope this was of some help. Good luck! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

alice and olivia help

Hi, I have tried to create an alice and olivia page and it keeps getting deleted. I need to put it up as soon as possible; can it please be undeleted or can I please get some help?

Thanks,

Jayme Felson —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaymefelson (talk • contribs) 20:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

What is the title of the page you are trying to create? I looked through the delete log and didn’t see anything with “alice” or “olivia” in the title, except for something from 2005. —Travis^talk 20:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

It depends. There was a page called "Alice and olivia", which you can see from the deletion log here has been created and deleted three different times for three different reasons. Alternatively there has been a page called "Alice and Olivia", which you can see from this log was deleted on 20 January. Are either of those the page you created? Or did it have a slightly different name - as you can see, differences in capitalisation or punctuation lead to different pages. gb ^{(t, c)} 20:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, and I now realize that searching for “Alice” alone doesn’t return “Alice and olivia.” —Travis^talk 21:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Alice and Olivia was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alice and Olivia. Alice and olivia has been deleted 3 times. The first time it was a redirect to the deleted Alice and Olivia. The second and third time it contained recreated material from Alice and Olivia with few modifications which didn't address the problems. Note that people associated with Alice and Olivia are strongly discouraged from creating or editing an article about it per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. See Wikipedia:Business' FAQ and Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?. You can ask for a private copy of the deleted material but I guess you already have that. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject and must cite to reliable sources which verify their content. Please see our guidelines for companies. --teb728 t c 22:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

You already asked this question here. --Kateshortforbob 23:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I restored the non-copyvio version of the article. The article never should have been deleted, but rather just had the copyvio revisions deleted. It's undoubtedly notable, but was deleted apparently because WP:AFD voters didn't try very hard to find sources. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Unilateral restoration is rarely a good idea. You should have listed it at WP:DRV with links proving notability. Unilateral restoration often leads to wheel warring. Corvus cornix_talk 19:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I have a user page I'd like moved into article space

Resolved

 – Article looks good so it was moved by User:Omtay38

I believe that my employer, Sierra Sciences, is a notable corporation. About 10 days ago, Arch_dude suggested here that I write an article in userspace and bring it back here to make sure that others agree that it is NPOV and meets all applicable policies.

I've finished my first draft of the article here: User:SierraSciSPA/Sierra Sciences‎. Could someone do me a favor and review it, and if you're satisfied with it, move it into article space? (I probably shouldn't do that myself).

I appreciate it! --SierraSciSPA (talk) 21:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I see little wrong with it, but I am going to wait for a second opinion.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 21:17, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm a second opinion! :-D I think it looks good enough for article space. If it has any more problems, they'll come up on the new article at Sierra Sciences. Best regards! --omtay38 21:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It looks good to me as well, but I’ve removed a bunch of duplicate internal links, especially for years, per the Manual of Style. —Travis^talk 21:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Your original page, User:SierraSciSPA/Sierra Sciences, is now a redirect. If you want, you may request that it be deleted by placing {{db-author}} on the page. Cheers! —Travis^talk 21:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone! I really do appreciate it. --SierraSciSPA (talk) 21:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Style of List of DVD releases

I asked this question a short while ago at Wikipedia talk:Featured lists, but it was removed from the talk page as apparently it wasn't the correct talk page to ask. I don't know where else to go other than here, because Help talk:List is a barren desert:

"Is there a style to be followed with regards to a list of DVD releases for a TV series? I'm looking at Smallville DVD releases and Lost DVD releases. I prefer the Smallville style, but am concerned about the number of fair-use images, in the way that discography lists shouldn't use them. Has a precedent been set anywhere yet? Do other editors have a preferred style of these kind of lists?"

Thanks, -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 21:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I suggest looking at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists of works). You could also search for pages with "DVD releases" in the title and see how they did it, (e.g. Doctor Who DVD releases) realizing though that something isn't necessarily correct or ideal just because another page does it -- Wikipedia is a work in progress. Finally, you could post a message on the talk page of the article you want to edit, proposing changes you want to make, and wait to see if there's any response; or just be bold and go ahead and edit it without discussing it on the talk page first. --Coppertwig (talk) 00:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Watching tool

I heard about a tool a while ago that allows you to find out if a specific user is watching a specific page. Can someone please help me find it? Thanks, Reywas92^Talk 22:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Where did you hear that? It shouldn't be possible, at least not for ordinary users or administrators. See Help:Watching pages#Privacy of watchlists. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:24, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I suppose you could ask a user whether or not they are watching a certain article, though don't expect them to always divulge that information; information like that is considered private. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 23:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

You might have been thinking of the "Wikipedia Scanner". It's a tool to see if any organizations are editing their own pages, etc. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 16:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Manual of Style - International differences

I'm looking at WP:MOS for the rules regarding the presidence of international spelling, grammar, numerical use, etc, but can't find it. I thought somewhere it said something like, "if the article is about an American subject, use American style; if the subject is Australian, use Australian style" but now I need it, I can't find it. Please direct me to where I need to be. Thanks! -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 22:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

That's it, broadly speaking. It's at WP:ENGVAR. Algebraist 22:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I must have missed it! -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 22:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)-

A fairly easy place to find things like this is on the Editor's index to Wikipedia. Browse to the index and try a Ctrl-F keyword search in your Web browser. You do have to guess some keywords that appear on the index page, but most entries have pretty reasonable names, and there are "See also" entries that cover some synonyms. --Teratornis (talk) 00:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

cannot find my page

I am Captain Thomas J Carter and I put my page in and now I cannot find it. Please help me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.16.163 (talk) 22:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It is my guess that your article was deleted by means of speedy deletion due to notability concerns. If you'd like to recreate it, please make sure you satisfy the article's need for reliable, verifiable sources. Thank you, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 23:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion log entries for at least one format of the name are here, showing that it was deleted under section A7 of you criteria for speedy deletion, which means the deleting administrator felt the article did not sufficiently assert the importance of the subject matter. Most people are insufficiently notable for an encyclopedia article. When we say "notable" here, we mean by that: being the subject of significant treatment in reliable, published sources that are independent of the subject. Note that while citation to reliable sources is required for all articles, it is more important and more strictly enforced in articles on living people.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Autobiography. I don't know what the rules were in 2005 when you created Thomas J. Carter, but now you are strongly discouraged from creating an article about yourself. You can ask for an email copy of the old text. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

inserting a picture

how do i insert a picture that i have personally taken, into a discussion or article? if it is any help i have an adell computor (windows)i mostly use adobe software —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.53.223.7 (talk) 22:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! Please see WP:UPLOAD for help uploading your images and media. However, make sure you understand the copyright policies at WP:IMAGE, as if your image is declared under the wrong license it will be removed. Hope that helps and happy editing! Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 23:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

In general, you own the copyright in a picture that you take, and you may license your copyright to Wikipedia under the GFDL. However, depending on the subject of the picture and the jurisdiction in which the picture was taken, your picture may be a derivative work, in which someone else owns a copyright. Please see Wikipedia:Image copyright help desk -Arch dude (talk) 04:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Category Title Name

Question: How would I go about changing the wrong name of a Category Title? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teethcourt (talk • contribs) 23:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there! What category are you referring to, may I ask? Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 23:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It can be suggested at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion but we may be able to give better advice if you say the category name and wanted change. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The categories I'm refering to are Sporting Lisbon managers and Sporting Lisbon players in which I believe they should renamed to Sporting Clube de Portugal managers and Sporting Clube de Portugal players seeing as Sporting Clube de Portugal is the correct name of the club. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teethcourt (talk • contribs) 23:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The club appears to be better known as Sporting Lisbon in English, and Wikipedia tends to prefer common English names. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions. "Sporting Clube de Portugal managers" is long and possibly confusing to English speaking readers who may think it's for all managers of Portuguese sports clubs. You can suggest it at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion but there may be some opposition, especially if you use language like [6] which I have reverted. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

If it is an issue about how long Sporting Clube de Portugal is, then just go the simple route of "Sporting C.P." or even, Sporting Portugal. The team is not named Sporting Lisbon so therefore it justifiably be changed. Teethcourt (talk) 00:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Many things are called something different in English and a native language. A Google search for "Sporting Lisbon" on pages in English gives 322000 hits.[7] Wikipedia often prefers the best known English name, even when some consider the name to simply be wrong. The categories will not be renamed based on a discussion here at the help desk. We can give advice but Wikipedia:Categories for discussion is the place for suggested changes. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Sortable list

I would like to be able to sort Köchel catalogue#List by all columns. Currently, rows are stored in chronological order. Therefore, it would be perfect if clicking on "Date" just reset the list to how it is stored. Is that possible? If not, is there any other way to sort this table by date? — Sebastian 04:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Related question: I just noticed that the same table doesn't sort correctly by the first column. E.g. "Anh. 218" is listed before "Anh. 191", with several empty cells and other other names in between. Is that a bug? The pure numbers seem to get sorted correctly. — Sebastian 04:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

You might look into templates such as {{sort}}, {{sortname}}, {{dts}} (for dates), {{nts}} (for numbers). These are required for entries in sortable tables. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. This would be very helpful for a smaller table! Unfortunately, these templates all require to be entered in each individual cell, which is quite a task for the over 600 rows of that table! Is there really no way to simply reset the sort order when the sort buttons of column 4 is clicked? Also, I would like to understand what's going on in the first column. Any help, please? — Sebastian 01:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I think i know how to accomplish this. I'll take a stab at it on the page and report back here if it works. --omtay38 02:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

There really isn't an easy way to do this. per TheDJ above, {{dts}} would be what you would use, however this only works with dates formatted in specific ways (28-01-2008, 28-01-08, or 01 Jan 2008). Not only are very few of these cells adequately formatted, some of them (Summer YYYY, or ~YYYY) could not even be formatted to fit this. For these you would have to insert something to the effect of 00 Jan to make them work and, even then, it is sort of inaccurate. So it is possible but would take a lot of time. Perhaps a better solution would be to add a simple caption to the effect of "to re-sort this table by date, refresh the page." Best regards. --omtay38 03:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your effort! So the "resorting" would be a nice feature request. Maybe I'll get around to that in a month or so. The other question: Did you find out what's wrong with the first column - why can't it be sorted correctly? — Sebastian 03:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

(Outdenting just for fun) Not quite sure what's wrong with the first column. Again, it probably has something to do with the mixing of data types (letters vs. numbers). If your so inclined, there's a wonderfully convoluted explanation of table sorting available here which you can muddle through for any solution that I may have missed. Best regards! --omtay38 06:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, mixing letters and numbers is bad. That is the cause of the issues in row one. Also, for dates there is also {{TBA}}, and specifying months and dates are optional on {{dts}}. Also, you can still put whatever you want AFTER the sortkey. so you can have "sorteddate ~" for instance if you are not sure about a date. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

January 29

How can I cite references for a foreign recording artist?

The article for Kumi Miyasato was recently deleted. The reason given was no stated relevence. I re-created the article and modified the language to assert relevence. I also created a talk page for the article and made a case for her relevence. I was told to cite a few sources in Japanese media that covered her. I don't speak Japanese and have no access to any of the print media (though I do have lists of print media that covered her - as well as lists of public appearances and radio appearances). I have copies of some video interviews, but they come from YouTube. I can't translate them, anyway. What should I do? Tuxedo Mark (talk) 03:06, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you could leave a note over on WikiProject Japan's talk page. They may have some ideas for english language sources you may use. --omtay38 03:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

{{helpme}}

Helpme tags are not needed on the help desk. --omtay38 04:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I have inserted a discussion of Custom Fitted Bras. It is Generic and does not

I have inserted a discussion of Custom Fitted Bras. It is Generic and does not mention the names of ANY of the brands or distributors of any of the custom fitted bras. This is in contrast to the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassiere_measurements

which includes information which is NOT accurate when it comes to the fitting of the Custom Fitted Bras, or even some department stores for that matter.

The Custom Fitted Bras have been around since 1958. They have been sold at private fittings since then. Sometimes they are shown at "Bra Parties", much like Tupperware parties.

The Custom Fitted Bra is a special bra, unlike the traditional (useless) bras from department stores. It offers more support, in more sizes than ANY traditional department store bra.

Today there are approximately 8 or 10 brands still being manufactured out of some 20 or so.

The Custom Fitted Bras are the only type of bra recommended by "Self Magazine" (1987) as "Sports Equipment for Women", much like the Jock Strap is "Sports Equipment for men"

 Thus, I believe that This information belongs in Wikipedia.  

--Ahbras (talk) 03:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there! It seems that you included your information on your user page, instead of an article page. If you have some information you'd like to add, please feel free to edit the proper page and insert it; however, please make sure that your information is verifiable and that you source and cite it properly. Thank you, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 03:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I am new to this. I guess I dont know the difference between User Page and Article page. I am really trying to correct some misinformation on an existing page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassiere_measurements with a discussion of additional types of bras and sizing conventions.

--Ahbras (talk) 04:06, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

That's ok, and thank you for trying to correct the misinformation. To change the contents of a page, you must edit it by clicking the edit this page button at the top of the page. For example, Brassiere measurements can be edited here. Also, if your changes are major, I'd suggest you bring them up at the talk page of that article so that other users may comment. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle/Furme

So I had Twinkle/Furme on my desktop and was using it through Firefox. Now I've installed Firefox on my laptop and the tabs aren't appearing. How do I fix it? What settings should I be looking at? MBisanz ^talk 03:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

For Firefox, you should be looking at Tools > Options, and then the Tabs menu (second from the left for me). I'm guessing that your browser is set to open links in new windows; if it is, just switch that over to tabs. Hope that helps, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 03:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Should've been more clear. I meant the Twinkle/FURME tabs on the Wikipedia interface. The Tab in FireFox work fine. MBisanz ^talk 04:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, my mistake. I'd suggest going to your monobook and clearing your cache. Since your browser on your laptop has technically never had Twinkle installed, all it needs is a cache refresh and it should be good to go. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Did that before I came here, used keystroke Ctrl-Shift-R a couple times. MBisanz ^talk 04:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Ctrl-F5 is completely clears your cache; try going to your monobook and doing that. Should solve your problems. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Bingo, thank you very much! MBisanz ^talk 04:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem! Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

adding cells to a table

I'm working on the layout of a template, over in my sandbox, but I'm having a problem with formatting the text. In the cells B, D, G, J, O, R, and U, I want two columns in each, and have been using the {{Col-begin}} to try to get it to work. Unfortunately, no matter what width perameters I put in, the text in the second columns are not aligned with each other. I tried just putting extra cells in there, but then there's a border between them which isn't what I want either. How do I achieve the alignment? Thanks -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 04:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Fixed and responded on user talk. --omtay38 06:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

article cricket history of the veluwana college

veluwana college colombo srilanka

article

want include

history

cricket history OF VELUWANA COLLEGE

FIRST CAPTAIN OF THE COLLEGE UNDER 11 CRICKET TEAM AND FIRST CAPTAIN OF THE UNDER 19 CRICKET TEAM

NAME MAHASEN DUMINDA WICKRAMARATNE

     FULL NAME : WICKRAMAARACHCHIGE MAHASEN DUMINDA PERERA WICKRAMARATNE

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.

Alternately, please see Wikipedia:Requested articles if you'd like to request an article made. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 05:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

How to create a new page for a name already exists but applies to a different person

Hello,

How does one create a page when the name already exists but applies to someone else? For example: Gorgopas - a Spartan general in the Roman-Spartan war has a page. However there was another Spartan admiral named Gorgopas in the Corinthian War a couple hundred years earlier. How do I create the page for the earlier Gorgopas which than allows a user who types in Gorgopas to chose which of the two he wants to read about?

Thanks

Hetlamm (talk) 05:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)Hetlamm

The way to go about this would be to create a disambiguation page; however, as in this case there aren't too many articles of the same name, I'd suggest creating Gorgopas (admiral) and linking to the admiral page from the General's page. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 05:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hiding the Navigation, Interaction,... column at left when reading an article.

I am a newbie, I admit, and i can not believe that i am not able to toggle this stuff off of the screen, at least when reading text. Thanks, Jokinjo (talk) 06:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, welcome to the help desk! There may be user styles that let you hide it, but there isn't a way to toggle it off at will without changing styles as previously stated. Sorry, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 06:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Clicking "Printable version" in the Toolbox section of the left nav is a kludgey way to do it. You can even use the keyboard shortcut associated with that link (hover over it for shortcut). —Noah 07:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

There are some skins at Special:Preferences where the links are displayed at the top or bottom, so the article uses the full width of the window. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm a new user, please forgive me

I am looking for specific information (I want to find out for whom St. Dominique is the patron saint, her bistory, etc.) and I don't know where to find such information on Wikipedia, or how to solicit such info from the users. If you could help me, I'd be very much appreciative. Thank you, D.P.Cuff —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.39.175 (talk) 07:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there! St. Dominique says that it is an colony, not a saint; however, the reference desk has volunteers that would gladly help you find the information you seek if it is not in that article. Please use the Help Desk only for matters related to using Wikipedia. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 08:06, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

(after ec):If you're looking for Saint Dominic, he (not she) is called Dominique de Guzmán in French. According to his article, he is the patron saint of astronomers and the Dominican Republic. If you need to find something another time, try the search function on the left, or ask the Reference Desk. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 08:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I have used this index of patron saints to find information many times. Maybe you can find what you’re looking for there. —Travis^talk 13:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Miss Hawaii USA

I was in the 1982 Miss Hawaii USA Contest voted Miss Congeniality and my name is Kahala Del Rey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.25.241.164 (talk) 08:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations. Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

secure page protected by login

Can I create a secure page that could be used for private access alone. Secured by login/password ?

Is such a feature available in wiki ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.54.175.135 (talk) 09:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not have that. If you have your wiki with MediaWiki software then mw:Extension:PasswordProtected may be useful but I haven't tried it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Technology _ Electrical

What is difference in Windmill Alternator and DG Alternator? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khageshri (talk • contribs) 09:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

try the reference desk.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 10:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The reference desk is located here. We also have an article on Alternator if that helps. Pedro :  Chat  11:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Problems editing

I have edited a page which is in the form: http://..../Forename_Surname_(Occupation) After saving the page the address changes to: http://..../Forename_Surname_%28Occupation%29 No poblems so far. But after clearing cache from my pc and searching google I get directed to the unedited version of the page but if I try to edit this, the edit text is the post edited version. Any searches through Wikipedia always come up with post edited version but (after clearing cache) if I enter http://..../Forename_Surname_(Occupation) I get pre-edited. It doesn't seem to be just my edit either; the pre-edited version is months old. I've left it a week in the hope that it was just a search engine cache thing but its been over a week since edit and still getting the smae problem (on multiple computer's). Can anyone help before I go mad? Thanks. Havelock101 (talk) 11:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Which page is it? Does it happen both when you are logged in and out? Some ISPs cache pages. If that happened then it doesn't help to clear your own cache. But you can try changing the URL, for example adding a '?' at the end. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I guess it's John Reid (politician). I see the current version at both http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reid_(politician) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reid_%28politician%29. It's the same page with special characters replaced in the URL per Help:URL#URLs in external links. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your speedy reply. Yes that's the page. If I follow your link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reid_(politician) I get a different (unedited page) from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reid_%28politician%29 link above.

I guess it must be the ISP cache. Will I just have to wait for the ISP's servers to update? Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Havelock101 (talk • contribs) 11:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe. Which time is displayed at the bottom of the window after "This page was last modified" on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reid_(politician). How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reid_(politician)? with '?' at the end? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

On the unedited page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reid_(politician) at the end it says- This page was last modified 19:27, 13 January 2008

While the edited http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reid_%28politician%29 gives today's date.

Does that indicate the ISP cache problem. The ? at the end does bring the edited version up, should I try to perminently alter the page URL to incorporate the ?

Thanks again Havelock101 (talk) 12:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

It certainly indicates a cached page. If you have cleared the whole cache in your browser then it sounds like your ISP. Do not try to alter the Wikipedia page name to include '?'. Adding it here was merely a test to see what would happen for a URL which used '(' and ')', but was unlikely to have been cached. Now it may have been cached by your ISP although I suppose ISPs may choose to not cache URLs containing '?' because they are likely to be dynamic. So adding '?' when viewing a page may bypass a cached version when you want to see the current version. Another method for that is clicking history and then clicking the date of the most recent version (this requires that the history page is not cached). PrimeHunter (talk) 12:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks PrimeHunter you've been a real star. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Havelock101 (talk • contribs) 12:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

About payroll taxes

I need to know if you live in Pennslyvania do you have to claim taxes on a job that you made less than 400.00 for the year? I made more on my other job but this job I made less than 400.00 and I did not receive a W-2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.20.2 (talk) 12:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Note that Wikipedia does not give legal opinions. Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Problem adding content to article

This is one big mystery to me. I cannot add certain content to a page without loosing the links to citations and external links. Every time I post the additional content the links disapear. I have left the material on the disscussion page if somebody can assist and maybe explain where I am going wrong. The page is at: Interpretation Act 1978 Ron Barker (talk) 13:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC) Thank you

[8] has an unclosed <ref>. Every <ref> must have an ending </ref>. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC) Thank you very much. Your help appreciated. Ron Barker (talk) 19:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

How can I find the list of all users on Wikipedia?

As title. Is there any page shows all users on Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhaac (talk • contribs) 13:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Special:Listusers, though it is a very long list. It has a search function at the top of the page if you are looking for a specific one. Woody (talk) 13:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) "Special pages" in the toolbox to the left has a link on "Users" to Special:Listusers. Note: There are 47,798,861 registered accounts. IP addresses with edits are not shown. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Trying to get a map to center on an infobox

Hey everyone: I've been working on {{Infobox_Paris_metro}} by adding a map of Paris to the bottom which shows the location of a particular metro station in the city. Now, I've got everything working well except one thing. On certain pages the map doesn't center in the box (Compare Opéra (Paris Métro) where it does not center and Louise Michel (Paris Métro) where it works fine). Again, the actual information is always displayed. The problem is mainly aesthetic and...well....to be honest....is driving me insane :) so, I thought I would ask here for any help which could be provided. Thanks in advance! Lazulilasher (talk) 13:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

articles i've created

I would be curious to see a log of all the articles I have created. Is there a way to do this? Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know of an easy way (hopefully someone else will). The hard way is to look at your contributions and check the entries for the text Created page on. It helps a tiny bit if you limit the search to the Article name space, but only a tiny bit since most of your edits will be in that name space. —Noah 15:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

If you have a Mac, Linux, or Unix you can modify this command to do it

curl "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=1000&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Noah+Salzman&namespace=0&year=&month=-1" | grep "Created page on"

You will need to

• swap out my user name
• change the limit from 1000 to some smaller or larger number

Happy hacking, —Noah 16:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

COMMENT: It looks to me like that will only find pages with "Created page on" in the edit summary. In my case, at least, OS X didn’t find any of the pages I have created. Other than this tip, I am also unaware of any easy way to find this info. —Travis^talk 16:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Oops. I looked at the one article I created and made the mistaken assumption that "Created page on" was automatic text and not user created (silly, cause apparently I wrote that). You are right, there is sadly no auto-generated comment for the first entry of an article. So, the trick above would only work if you were very consistent in your article creation comment and, therefore, could grep for that exact text. Bummer. —Noah 16:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

olives

where do black olives come from?

is an olive a fruit or vegetable?

how much world production of olives come from the US? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.195.174.251 (talk) 15:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps.Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 15:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

For that matter, have you read our article on olives? Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Where to request

Under what section do I post a request for an article about a specific car? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vvneagleone (talk • contribs) 15:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requested articles/Applied arts and sciences/Transport#Road Transport, unless maybe the car is known for something specific. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

195.70.54.240 (talk) 15:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC). Writing an Article about Rageh Daoud without references

Dear Wikipedia Admin,

I wanted to write an article about Rageh Daoud, an Egyptian music composers, who composed for over 40 + movies (Egyptian and Egyptian), theatrical plays, TV series,...etc yet, i dont Have references about him enough to write an article, i have his CV, and some websites such as www.imdb.com, yet these sites dont provide sufficient info.

Im his son and i have his CV and a facebook group on him http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7045795895

Thanks for help in advance:)

Cheers

195.70.54.240 (talk) 15:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC).

Hi there! The first step you should take to create this article yourself is to register an account. After you have done this, take a look at the Introduction for information about editing wikipedia. Be sure the subject of your article meets the notability guidelines. Happy editing! --omtay38 16:06, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

For information on sourcing articles, read this; and since you're his son, please also understandour guidelines on conflict of interest. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

HOW DO YOU UNSUBSCRIBE

HOW DO YOU UNSUBSCRIBE

USER SUREWIPE

Surewipe (talk) 16:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Unsubscribe to what? Do you mean delete your account? That is not possible, but see Wikipedia:Right to vanish. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

medical laboratory

I AM DOING +2. i want to know about the medical laboratories. kindly let me know the same pl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.104.114 (talk) 16:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. The help desk is a place to ask questions about using wikipedia. If you are looking for information, you may be interested in the reference desk. Best regards! --omtay38 16:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) This is the help desk for the encyclopedia Wikipedia. I don't know what "+2" refers to (maybe something at some institution we have an article about?). They will probably need more details, but: Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

advertisement

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what is the iomportance of advertisements in the 21st century based on equality,gender caste or creed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.224.107.196 (talk) 16:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

They will not do homework for you, but: Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

how do i make my user page appear on the search results?

I have created an account but it does not appear on the search results. Ineed guidelines —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jahnetttafari (talk • contribs) 16:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Your user page at User:Jahnetttafari has not been indexed by Wikipedia search yet. When that happens (may take a week or so), it can be found if you first click "Search" below the search box, and then click "User" at the bottom and use the search box there. Unless you change "Search" at Special:Preferences, only the encyclopedia articles are searched by default. Your user page would be very unsuited as an article. It is strongly discouraged to create an autobiography as an article, and there are many other problems. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

WORLD LANGUAGES.

202.159.225.168 (talk) 17:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)Can a comparative analysis of world languages be made with regard to script,grammer,phonetic values,pronounciation and writing suitability? Would it be advisable to be guided by such a study for the cause of human values?

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. You may have better luck on the Humanities section of the Reference desk. -- Kesh (talk) 17:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

back up

i had alaptop, it had crash ,i not starting.what should i do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luckyarun (talk • contribs) 19:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. -- The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Review)} 19:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Reporting vandalism to basketball moves page

Under the Pump Fake heading on the Basketball Moves page, it appears someone added an objectionable last sentence. Just wanted to make you aware! My son is starting to learn about basketball (that's why I'm here), and probably would find this both funny and disturbing (he's seven years old):

A pump fake is a fundamental move in basketball, used to cause defenders to jump (known in basketball slang as "lifting" the defender), or be shifted off-balance. Its main applications are in the low post area, where a player is much more likely to have his or her shot blocked. Two well known practitioners of low post fakes are Kevin McHale and Al Jefferson. On the perimeter, it is useful in creating open lanes to the basket by "showing" the ball enough to entice a defender to attempt to block or steal it, allowing the dribbler to penetrate easily. Tracy McGrady is an excellent example of this, and often gains extra free throw attempts due to his skill in ball faking. J.J. Redick of Duke University and now the Orlando Magic was also a great pump-faker, which he used to draw fouls as well as create space between him and the flying defender for his forte, three-point shooting. Also used to get contact on the big floppy donkey dick.

128.174.27.190 (talk) 20:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out - that was vandalism alright and I have removed it. Any time you see something like that, please feel free to remove it yourself. —Travis^talk 20:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Make a page

Dear Wikipedia help desk,

       I am writing because I would like to make my own page on Wikipedia. How do you do that?

Dylan C. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chickachee (talk • contribs) 20:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Responded on user talk --omtay38 20:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Can't find message.

I got an alert that there was a new message on my talk page, but now I can't find it. Is there a way to find old messages? [[D-free]] (talk) 20:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! You can always check the page history to see any changes that have been made. You get the yellow "new messages" box whenever anybody (other than you) changes anything on your talk page. It may have been that somebody changed something very small (perhaps their signature) and that triggered the box. Hope this helps! --omtay38 20:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

You can get to your talk page from any page by clicking "my talk" at the top of the window. If you were logged out when you got the message then it would have been on the talk page for your IP address. If you still have the same IP address (can depend on your ISP) then you can log out and click Special:Mytalk. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Email Confirmation Issue / Fatal FAQ error

I've tried to confirm my email address at least three times since setting up my account, but have not received any email from Wikipedia yet.

I attempted to visit the "search the FAQ" link and only reached a "Fatal database error" page.

Hm. The FAQ isn't working for me either - looks like the toolserver might be down again. There's a local version at WP:VFAQ, but it doesn't answer your question.

Anyway, I would suggest making sure that your email is spelled correctly in your preferences. Sorry if you've done this alreayd, but best to start simple. Second, make sure that emails from wikimedia.org are on your whitelist, and that nothing is in your spam folder. It does take a few days for the email to come, so it's possible your email may not have arrived yet. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The mail should be sent immediately. I just tested the system and had received the mail when I looked for it after a few seconds. If you haven't received the mail after a day then it may be stopped by a filter before reaching your mail account. Try an email account elsewhere if you can. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Redirects to a category?

I just started patrolling Special:RandomRedirect and I've noticed that a lot of article-space redirect go to categories: for example Dialogues of Plato to Category:Dialogues of Plato. Is it supposed to be like that? I get confused when I click on an article link and wind up looking at a category. Should I leave them be or try to find more appropriate redirects into articles? <eleland/talkedits> 20:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know whether there's a guideline or policy on this or not; I looked around just now and didn't find anything. In my opinion, it's better to have a redirect to a category, like that, than no redirect at all, but it would probably be preferable in many cases to edit the redirect to point to an article, providing there's a reasonably relevant article. In this case, either Plato or (perhaps better) Plato#Narration of the dialogues seems like a good choice to me. I think someone ought to write a full article Dialogues of Plato. --Coppertwig (talk) 23:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

What is Applicable to an entry and what isn't?

I am hoping that maybe I can get some clarification as me and another contributor have been going round and round with an entry for North Wilkesboro Speedway.

Basically the question I have is what should be consider applicable to be in a post or not. The group STS apparently tried to reopen the speedway and there are documented websites (with a link that I've included in my post) where it shows that the financial backer called the group kids and asked to no longer be associated with the group. This was published in the newspaper as well as several known racing websites.

The other poster removes the information stating that it was a personal attack and the person was arrested for fraud and that this has nothing to do with anything related to the speedway. I disagree that it has everything to do with why funding wasn't secured and the other poster has yet to provide any proof that the documented link that I've included was a personal attack or that the person was arrested for fraud.

Just hoping that maybe you could give me some insight.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.244.164.254 (talk) 21:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

It appears you have only communicated through edit summaries at North Wilkesboro Speedway. Try using the article talk page or eachothers user talk pages. If that doesn't work out then see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. I have told the other editor to not make unsourced claims of a fraud arrest anywhere, per Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

You can find the article talk page at Talk:North Wilkesboro Speedway, or by clicking "discussion" at the top of the page when looking at the article. Here are instructions on how to use talk pages. --Coppertwig (talk) 23:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The claims that are being made by the referring article were made by an individual as a personal attack against certain people in an effort to hamper the process of reopening North Wilkesboro Speedway. I am personally a member of the group STS that this person made many blatant personal and slanderous attacks against us in which was eventually to into a legal battle in which I am not able to discuss. The user "Stevie's Daycare" has for a matter of over a year then reposted and made repeated personal attacks on myself(which is also why they have chosen the name "Steve's Daycare) as well as others, using not only Wikipedia but other websites as well in which he/she has been banned from. The user was also at one point named "Land of Make Believe" here on wiki and was banned once before for making the same personal attacks. If anyone wants to contact me personally about this issue please do so. I am open to comments and questions.

If an administrator reads this please contact me I have the original emails that were sent between me and an administrator a year ago that took care of this exact problem once before. They also have been again notified as to the problem. Swilson2000 (talk) 17:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Entered a user name and a password to open an account but wiki still dosn't

Now Wikipedia does not recognize my password. I really thought I typed in the password correctly. I don't want to open another account with another username. Help!24.5.113.200 (talk) 21:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

See Help:Logging in. If you cannot find a working password and you haven't registered an email address for the account then you have to create a new account. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Any way to automatically identify existing articles in Wikipedia based on words and phrases in an article being edited?...

Resolved

 – Redlinks/bluelinks were explained

For example, if "RCA" appears in an article being edited, and an article exists with the title "RCA" or "RCA" redirects to "Radio Corporation of America (RCA), that such associations can be highlighted, cross ref brackets applied, etc. to help to expedite the editing process. Otherwise, it sure is tedious to do it manually! Plus, as articles are renamed or deleted, links can become dead ends. Thanks! Bruce --Bkengland (talk) 21:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! I believe what you are talking a bout is a sort of "auto-linking" of articles within wikipedia. Something to the effect of, if I type "alligator" that it should automatically be linked to alligator. If that is what you are refering too, I think it is a great idea! However, there are a few problems. When linking in an article it is important to only make links relevant to context (linking to too many words is often called overlinking). As you can see from that example, too many links is not helpful at all. However, all of those articles do exist. No computer can determine what links are relevant to an article and, thus, the tedium is transfered to us editors. --omtay38 21:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, on Wikipedia, there is pretty much an article for everything that is typed in context. Soxred93 | talk count bot 22:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, I've noticed that issue (e.g., "1984" being linked to an article about the year, definitely out of context!). That led me to believe that such referencing was the result of an automated tool of some kind being applied. Indexing tools tend to cause these kinds of problems as well, so I know what you are talking about. --Bkengland (talk) 22:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Manually linking them is not as tedious as you might at first think. Pretty much every word or phrase that you think worth linking will have an article. In my early days I used to search for a link before putting brackets around it. Now I just read through an article, spotting words that I think should be linked, then do a Show preview. Most of my guesses work out. Occasionally, there is a red link but that's not always a bad thing. I sometimes leave in a red link, sometimes take it out. Then I check that the blue links actually go where I think they go. Sbowers3 (talk) 23:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah! Good tip! See, I didn't know that "links" displayed red or blue in preview depending on their status. This will help I lot, I think. --Bkengland (talk) 01:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Just remember that a blue link only means that there's an article with that name, not that it's the right article for the situation - unless it's blatantly obvious what the article is about (and sometimes even then), it's a good idea to have a quick look at it. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Even if you are "certain" that the link is correct, check it anyway. I spend a lot of time correcting links to several disambiguation pages (as mindless therapy when I don't want to think much.) "Rugby", "violet" and "battery" are all obvious and certain, but wrong. -Arch dude (talk) 01:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

football players from the 1950's

has there ever been a football player by the name douglas cox in afl or nfl in the 50'sHunt7570 (talk) 21:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

You are probably looking for the Reference Desk. This is for asking questions about using Wikipedia. Good luck! Soxred93 | talk count bot 21:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Uploading my article

I wrote my article 3 days ago on Richard B. Chase and it has not been posted yet..how long should it take? Thanks, Arthur Kelm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthurkelm (talk • contribs) 23:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

you wrote you article on your user page, which you can find here-Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 23:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I would advise moving it to a personal scratchbox, as it is by no means ready for publication yet. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

As Orangemike says, it is better to work on your proposed article on a "working" page in userspace. "userspace" means a page whose name starts with "User:". In this csae we think you should create your proposed article at User:Arthurkelm/Richard B. Chase. This is a "sub-space" of your user space. Articles in a subspace are granted very wide latitude and are very rarely subject to any scrutiny until you ask others for comment. Once you think the article meets all of the criteria in all of our guidelines, you can come back here or to any other relevant forum to ask for comments. once you have a consensus, you can tehn move your article to mainspace by using he "move" button. Alternatively, you mayh simply create the article in mainspace. However, if you do this, your article is likely to be treated harshly based on all of our strange rules and guidelines. -Arch dude (talk) 03:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

January 30

Adding a website to an article.

I tried to add.. http://www.carolinagourdsandseeds.com by editing a page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gourd and I saved it...but I am not sure it is the right way to do it. Is editing the proper way to do this?? Harry ````. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hhh3p (talk • contribs) 02:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

How long ago was this?--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 03:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I see that you were able to add the link, however I don’t think it meets Wikipedia’s guidelines for external links. I noticed that many of the other links also seem to fail the guidelines and I will note the article for later cleanup. —Travis^talk 03:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Resolved - 20 unnecessary external links have been removed. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 13:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Creating a page on wikipedia

I am in the process of opening my own business and i want to know if possible, could my company create a page on here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.82.218.95 (talk) 03:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 03:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

The short answer is “yes,” but it’s probably not advisable. As a new company, I doubt that it would meet Wikipedia’s notability guidelines for companies. Then there is the matter of conflict of interest. If you read all of the links MoP and I have provided and still think that the article would be appropriate, go ahead and create it. The worst that can happen is that it may be deleted. Cheers —Travis^talk 03:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I would say the short answer is “no.” Inasmuch as you are just now opening it, it is virtually impossible that your company could have the notability required for an article. --teb728 t c 04:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

This type of question comes up periodically on the Help desk. For some previous answers, see: Search Help desk for: wikicompany. --Teratornis (talk) 04:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

See also: Wikipedia:Business' FAQ - good all around answer to most questions of this sort. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 14:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Messaging categories and a problem with pop-ups

• I'd like to start an article which deals with a journalist in my hometown. Can/how do I send a message to other editors who are in the category of residents in my city to invite their contributions?

• I've enabled pop-ups on my preferences but top-of-page and bottom-of-page nav. boxes only appeared on the first day of use. They don't appear now although everything else is working. Retarius | Talk 03:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, welcome to the help desk! With regards to your proposed article; firstly, you'd need to establish notability of the person. Then, if you feel confident that they would satisfy notability criteria, I'd suggesting searching for a WikiProject for your hometown, or looking at all categories here. Then you would be able to individually contact each editor.

As for pop-ups, what do you mean by top-of-page and bottom-of-page navigation boxes? The ones that allow you to skip to the bottom and back up?

Hope that helps, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 03:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I was wondering whether there is a means of group-messaging the users who've placed themselves in a category (as with an Email to an address list) and yes, those are the boxes I mean. Retarius | Talk 03:48, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid there's no way from group messaging, though it might be possible with the autowiki browser, but I'm not sure usage of that tool would be necessary. Also, those boxes only appear on some pages (such as the help desk); hence, if you visit another page, they will disappear. Hope that helps, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah well, one by one then. I got the idea from seeing things like Christmas cards and roll-call notices on talk pages. I thought that those sending them might be using such a facility. Thanks for your help. Retarius | Talk 04:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Nope, those are usually delivered by hand (so to speak), though sometimes they get bots to do it. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you erase or delete your own edits, allowing only the current version, of a page you created?

When a person creates a page, is it possiblle to delete edits by the original person (grammer errors, etc.)? How do you go back and list all edits as minor when the edits were a few edits back? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winslow12 (talk • contribs) 03:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Past versions in the page's history are not removable barring the use of oversight, which should not be used for such purposes. Edits cannot be changed from minor to major or vice versa, either. Hope that helps, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Another time, it is recommended to use preview and possibly correct problems before saving. You are currently the only substantial contributor to Jesse McCargar so it would be possible to request deletion of the whole article with {{db-author}} and then recreate it in a single edit (though that is not really what db-author is intended for). PrimeHunter (talk) 12:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

guatamala in the 1992 olympic marathon is incorrect, should be guam

it is incorrecdtly listed as Guatamala in the 1992 women's olympic martahon. I am Jen Allred and competed for Guam, not Guatamala. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Powlesj (talk • contribs) 04:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to be bold and go change it yourself! It may be useful to add a reference to a reliable source that backs up your change. --omtay38 05:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Went ahead and fixed this. diff 1 diff 2 diff3--TheDJ (talk • contribs) 07:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

how do i add a new article?

My Kruu (Muay Thai instructor) and i have created a new branch of martial art, and have been doing demos around the U.S.A on it, i would like to add information about it here on wikipedia, (so the new style can get a little More recognition) but i cant figure out how to make a new article, can you please help?

thanks alot

Wes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xxc3lld4m4gexx (talk • contribs) 05:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 06:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

If the style is as you say new and in need recognition, it is probably not notable enough to have an article. I’m sorry to say that Wikipedia is only for subjects that already have substantial recognition. --teb728 t c 08:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

how do i get a 6th and 7th book of moses

how do i get a 6th and 7th book of moses.please help me get one with all it necessities and i shall be greatful.

Do you mean Sixth and Seventh Books of Moses? --teb728 t c 09:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Possible legal concern

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garstang

Relating to the above link, in the section marked 'History', there are two pars stating:

“ Though recently, there was an article in the national newspaper 'The Times' about Garstang's newspaper(The Garstang Courier) extreme views, labelling the newspaper as Fascist. The newspaper is also currently in a legal battle with Fergus Fraser Bowman. ”

I am Editor of the Garstang Courier and Longridge News and can assure you that we are not in any legal battle with anyone, and I have never even heard of Fergus Fraser Bowman. I also know of no reason why The Times would be writing about my newspaper and, having checked with that office, they have no recollection of any such article or any reference to The Courier as 'fascist'. Incidentally, it has already been noted by another user that there is no referencing or verification for any of these statements. Clearly I consider this posting hosted on your website to be highly damaging to the reputation of my newspaper and defamatory to me as Editor. I intend editing this posting myself but consider it important that you are aware of this situation and can advise me on the action you are taking.

Richard Machin, Editor, Garstang Courier/Longridge News — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.70.52.62 (talk) 10:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Probably vandalism by some user, I'll see if I can track it down. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I saw you removed the edit already. That is the appropriate action and you are always welcomed to make such changes. The vandalism (specifically these edits) was done by IP address 172.143.108.99. On January 23rd 9PM UTC and January 24th 4PM UTC. Hope this helps you. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Seems that in the mean time the edits were oversighted as well. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:48, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I have deleted the versions with the claims from the article history. That means only administrators can see them. If you also want them hidden from administrators so only a few people with oversight permission can see them then you can make a request at Wikipedia:Requests for oversight or ask me to do it. But your copy here is much more visible than the currently deleted versions. If you want to avoid public discussion of such a problem another time then see Wikipedia:Contact us/Article problem/Factual error (from enterprise) and Wikipedia:Requests for oversight. I will watch the article and remove the claims if they reappear. The article can be protected if it should happen repeatedly. It was added January 23 by an unregistered editor who has not edited since with that IP address which may have been dynamic. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:56, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

installation

Hi all i am not able to install windows vista could you help me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.200.95.130 (talk) 11:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

This helpdesk provides assistance to users who have trouble using Wikipedia. If you have a problem with Windows, I suggest calling Microsoft support, visiting a local computer store or asking a friend with some computer skills for assistance. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

If you have a more specific question then: Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Wife died in July 2007, was filing joint return?

How do I fill out a Georgia tax return jointly when my wife has passed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.6.100.226 (talk) 12:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, welcome to the help desk! Please consider asking at the reference desk, which is for questions about knowledge; the help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. See here for the reference desk; Wikipedia:Reference desk. Thanks! Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 12:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Note that Wikipedia does not give legal opinions. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry for your loss, and hopeful that we can help answer your question. You are at the Wikipedia helpdesk. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia with more than two million articles. You may have found this site while searching for tax information, but we are not specialists on Georgia tax. Here in Wikipedia, we have a number of volunteers who try to answer questions in a number of different areas. The volunteers who work here at the help desk answer questions about how to use the Wikipedia encyclopedia itself. Several different sets of volunteers answer questions about more general topics at the reference desk. The volunteers at the "miscellaneous desk" are probably best able to help: click on the blue link. -Arch dude (talk) 01:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

ADD Article

I have added an article but has been erased automatically, why can I not add a company with its history on the WIKI,

PLease inform me how do I add some companies and brands with their history and foundation on WIKI

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noxelag (talk • contribs) 13:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the history of the article you created, it didn't meet our requirements for notability. For more information on what makes companies notable, please see: WP:CORP. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 13:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)If the company is notable enough, a company can have an article, it is also important to remember to make sure that the article reads does not read like an advertisement, and that it isn't a copy and paste job from the companies website. Also I am assuming here that your related to the company in question, so I would advise that you don't make the article, because you run the risk of having the neutrality of the article affected by your point of view. besides if you company is big enought, like Google or Metacritic, this shouldn't be a problem.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 13:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I have replaced "reads" with "does not read" in Kerotan's comment. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Changing title of an article undergoing AfD

If an article has been listed for AfD, but its title is wrong, is it possible to change the title by "moving" the article, or would that confuse the links to the AfD process? JohnCD (talk) 14:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

You can move the article, and a redirect from the old title will be created automatically. But that won't affect the other links at the top of the AfD (history, logs, etc.), which will then be pointing to the redirect. It might be better to wait until the AfD discussion is concluded to keep things consistent, but if you choose to rename it now, I'd recommend noting the change clearly as a comment in the discussion to reduce confusion. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 14:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Company Logo in an article

Hello,

I have to write an article about the company I work for. I would like to add the company logo and I do not know how to proceed. Wikipedia explains that a non free logo or a copyrighted can be upload but I do not find how. I already write the article and by adding the logo, the article has been removed a few days later.

Would you please inform me how to proceed to add the logo in the article.

(the page is Knauf USG Systems)

Thanks in advance for your help.

Best regards

--- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonard.kleiber (talk • contribs) 14:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd be glad to help you select the correct license. However, Wikipedia's very strict image fair use policy requires that all copyrighted media actually be used in the article. So you need to have the article first. I note from the logs that the Knauf USG Systems article was deleted on January 22, according to the criteria for speedy deletion, that the article did not assert the significance of the company; that is, why an article should be about it in the encyclopedia. I'd recommend as a first step that you read Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted, and more specifically, the notability guidelines for companies, the Business' FAQ and conflict of interest guidelines. If after reading those pages carefully you still think an article is appropriate, please recreate it, citing to reliable, independent sources, and then ask again about the logo, either here on the general help desk or at the Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Hope these links will help explain things. Any more questions feel free to ask again. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 15:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

What happened to free, open content encyclopedia, Wikipedia?

Since Oct 2007 I have been working on an biographical article of a former military man titled Leo J. Meyer published on the free, open content encyclopedia, Wikipedia. It was a labor of love for a novice. In January 2008 Wiki administrators in the US felt that the subject was not notable and removed the article. It was published in good faith intending to meet WP free and open content rules. Strangely enough an administrator in the UK thought the subject was notable enough. What happened to: free, open content encyclopedia, Wikipedia? I would rather have my article on Wikipedia than some other place. Meyerj (talk) 14:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It is still there, it just doesn't allow every topic anymore. For a large part due to the media's attention to "quality" vs. junk , the inclusion requirements are becoming more stringent every day. I would support bringing this article back. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:12, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

BTW. it would really help if there was a book that mentioned him in a bit of detail, and if you could get several other editors involved in the writing process. Writing on subjects to which you are related is always a difficult thing to do because its easy to fall into the pitfalls of "original research" and "opinionated editing". --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I wonder how many other people who published articles in good faith and made financial contributions to the project because they believed in the free, open content encyclopedia aspect have since found there information removed. I am not implying paying to publish, but rather supporting the concept and learning that the concept has changed. Meyerj (talk) 18:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear your article got deleted. As I'm not an administrator I cannot review the deleted text to check whether it satisfied Wikipedia's guidelines. But some general links to help you are Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? and Wikipedia:Notability (people). The deletion discussion was not unanimous or absolute, so if you feel the outcome was wrong, I'd recommend taking it to Wikipedia:Deletion review, stating clearly why you feel the article should be restored. It might not be absolutely non-notable, perhaps just needing a bit of tweaking, or additional references to assert significance. Failing that, there are other web sites in the world, such as http://www.wikibios.com/, which I'm sure would gladly host the article, or you could publish the biography on a personal web site, where you would have complete control over all the content (unlike a wiki). • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 15:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's what happened to "free, open content encyclopedia": WP:NOT. Wikipedia in its current design misleads some fraction of new users who see the positive results of the process that builds Wikipedia, without noticing the dark side (the stupefyingly complex rules and their enforcement). That's because the superficial face of Wikipedia (the things a new user sees first) appear to be very wonderful and encouraging. Wikipedia fires the newcomer's imagination, and stimulates ideas to run wild, without doing much to insure the new user understands the rules before diving in. The result is lots of people asking: Why was my article deleted? (In my opinion, if even one user still needs to ask that question, we should not feel too proud of ourselves.) If nothing else, hopefully your unpleasant experience with Wikipedia will teach you to question your initial impression of online sites, and to seek some sort of confirmation from a knowledgeable human before spending many hours guided only by your initial assumptions based on at best a very fragmentary investigation. As to what to do next, see WP:BIO for our notability guidelines for biography articles. The administrator who deleted your article probably does not know whether Mr. Meyer is or isn't notable enough; rather, the administrator is saying you did not show him to be notable enough. If you can do that, then he can have an article here. If not, then you can try another wiki such as WikiBios. --Teratornis (talk) 15:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

There are 6 billion people on this planet. Not every one of us can have a Wikipedia article about them. Your article did not establish sufficient notability to justify an article on this particular person. (U.S. v. U.K. had nothing to do with it.) --Orange Mike | Talk 15:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC) (proud son of a WW2 combat veteran and medal recipient)

Your attitude is lacking severly orange mike. are you actually implying and infering that your idea of heirarchical importance are better than anyone elses? Are you inferring that your ideas and views are superior? such arrogance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.210.96.173 (talk) 16:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually no, what he was stating were simple facts. I agree with those facts as well. However that does not mean that I do not consider our current set of rules as becoming too strict. You really should not be offended if people don't respond in full essays with reasoning, but with short blunt remarks. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Not that I really want to be part of your debate, but to clarify for orange mike, Europeans are much more mindful and respectful of their military and military history. American culture pooh-poohs its military unless John Wayne is in the picture. But to enlighten all: Soldiers who earned one Combat Infantry Badge in WWII (meeting the requirements for it) are bigger heroes than both Douglas MacArthur and Jimmy Doolittle who both were awarded the Medal of Honor in WWII. (In Doolittle’s case why just him when all of his men did the exact same thing) Soldiers who stayed with their Army (and the pay wasn’t all that good) and fought in subsequent conflicts that meet the criteria set forth by the Department of the Army and earned multiple combat badges are actually remarkable. The CIB has been, historically, the only badge worn higher than the Medal of Honor ribbon. Today American soldiers who are not infantry can receive an equally important combat medical badge or the newest, the combat action badge. There are regulations authorizing only four awards of the CIB, CMB and CAB. Of the first there has never been a 4th awarded and only 303 men, out of millions who served, have received the 3rd award. That 303 dates from the award’s inception of DEC 1941 up to Dec 2007. For the same period in Army history (note I said Army) there have been 575 Medals of Honor awarded and not all of them have received the CIB. The bottom line is that that small group of “heroes” are more often than not held with higher esteem by fellow soldiers than those awarded the MoH, and Americans in general don’t know that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.241.0.2 (talk) 17:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, of course the reason why the article was deleted must either be prejudice or stupidity, it couldn't possibly have anything to do with Wikipedia's requirements for notability and verifiability. Are we just supposed to take the word of someone that the person they're writing about is notable without the author providing any proof of the claims? And please note that not everybody who participated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leo J. Meyer is an admin. If you feel that you can provide reliable sources and verifiable claims of notability, then you can nominate the article at WP:DRV for a discussion as to whether or not the article should be undeleted. Corvus cornix_talk 19:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think for once I'm speechless at the incredible length a vandal disparges the United States. I truly don't understand the anonymous user's comments, not can I begin to follow as he states no evidence of his claims. I for one would sternly content that the American population is proud of its military, and its military history, greatly due in part through our patriotism, and because of the immense numbers of friends and family serving in the US military. My brother currently at West Point, my uncle, grandfather, and great grandfather all served in the Marines. My roommate's mother served for a proud 20+ years in the Navy. I'm all atonishment at the lack of mutual respect and simple tolerance towards the United States, and especially when it flies in the face of hundreds of thousands of men and women who do so much for their country. Do you think that I enjoy the fact that my oldest, and dearest brother, the one who always managed to make my family laugh, or know just what to do what I felt terrible will be sent overseas? And in all possibility die from the foolishness and misery caused by war? That is sacriface. I could not do it. God, how can you be so...so apathetic and insulting to that? Can anyone truly? Do you not distinguish between the adminstration and the soldiers themselves? I'm disgusted, body and soul at you sir. We should not feed the trolls but I cannot let this mockery stand.

As for the claim that Americans do not value the CIB award is in and of itself a contradiction -- Americans value the service and awards of any soldier, and for any term. The issue is that the general populace is not aware of the CIB, whereas the Medal of Honor is well known as most recent recipiants were killed in action to recieve the award, in a (terrible) sense MOH recipiants have paid the ultimate price for this distinction. This connotation in the public's mind simply does not exist for CIBs. Zidel333 (talk) 20:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I repeat, while I am myself a Quaker, I am also the proud son of a U.S. combat infantryman, a fully-disabled veteran of World War 2, and an enlisted man (a class of soldier of whom I am always more respectful than I am officers). None of this is even remotely relevant to the simple fact that the article which has been deleted failed to establish to the satisfaction of the involved editors that the subject was notable, according to the standards we have set up here. If there is a new article created about this man (genuinely new, not a recreation of the deleted one), preferably by somebody without a conflict of interest, the new article will be judged on its merits. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Help starting a page

how do i start a pge of my own. and why wont it let me edit the Alex Ovechkin pageu —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrendip (talk • contribs) 14:56, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Alex Ovechkin is currently semi-protected, which means that only accounts older than four days can edit it. Please read Wikipedia:Protection policy for more info. GlassCobra 15:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

As for creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 15:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Why is my page not up?

I have been trying to put up my page but it keeps saying that something is wrong with it.. i keep looking to see what it is i did wrong but can not find it on your pages... please get back with me.. Muscoot Farm is the page! JonathonMuscoot (talk) 15:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It seems like the article was deleted, most likely due to concerns that the subject matter did not conform to basic Notability concerns. If you feel that this deletion is misplaced, you should try to find an administrator and discuss it with them. As an aside, your user page seems to be an extensive article on the article in question; 1) this is not allowed per se by User Page Guidelines that are currently enforced by the Wikipedia community, and 2) if there is no concerns with Conflict of Interest. Cheers! Zidel333 (talk) 16:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Zidel333, I have fixed several broken links in your reply. It's WP, not W. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 18:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I wondered why the links were light blue instead of dark.... Thanks Anakin. :) Zidel333 (talk) 20:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

speedy deletion expedience that is nearly inhuman!

I am impressed! An admin/sysop here seems to be able to read hundreds of articles in mere minutes, find them lacking and delete them speedily with half references. Is this the standard? One of the articles which was mine had been up for less than one day and no notice was sent of the deletion, the other had been up for the better part of a year and had been helped with and massaged by another admin here. I can only imagine how horrified the hundreds of other writers and editors must feel after they get taken out in this shotgun approach to things. I can understand how wiki administering can be trying, but if there is so much vitriol that deletions are done in such a frenzy, I wonder if some of the people who administer these pages should actually be doing it at all! Regards - A concerned reader and writer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.210.96.173 (talk) 16:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

You are likely on a dynamic IP address. You should really register in order to make sure that you get deletion notifications. If you edit as an unregistered IP address there is a good chance you will miss such a message. (also there are 3000 admins and bots looking at edits and selecting sets of edits that are "suspicious", evaluating etc. not 1 )--TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

--99.224.75.100 (talk) 16:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

The "anon" does appear to have a username, just didn't log in. Instead of requesting a deletion review, he is complaining here that his page was deleted. The nomination for speedy deletion was stopped because he refuted it here. After reading his comments, a series of editors nominated it for deletion. It was deleted. He continues to complain that WP:BIO doesn't address the notability of "entrepreneurs". -- kainaw™ 17:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Kainaw, how did you determine that that was the article that the anon is talking about? That AfD discussion was over a year ago, and pretty obviously wasn't up for "less than one day". Corvus cornix_talk 19:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

If you look at the anon's contributions, he has signed multiple posts manually using a registered username. Checking that user's contributions reveals the apparent article at issue that Kainaw cites.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks. Corvus cornix_talk 03:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Individual pageview statistics...

How can I get statistics on the page views (per day, week, month, year etc.) for an individual wikipedia article?

Thank you for answering,

NazarK (talk) 17:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

See this entry on the FAQ. Best regards. --omtay38 17:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Go to stats.grok.se and enter your article title. henrik•talk 17:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Breakdown of an individual's edits by prefix

I think there's a tool that partly does what I want, but can't find it, and in any case I'm hoping there's one out there that does all of what I want.

I'd love to be able to see what edits I made to a particular prefix; not just a particular namespace, but a prefix within that namespace. For example, if I want a quick way to see what edits I've made to AfD, I'd like to be able to enter "Barneca" in one box, and "Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion" in another box, and get a list of:

• diff for an edit to Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion/Article A
• diff for an edit to Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion/Article 2
• diff for a different edit to Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion/Article 2
• diff for an edit to Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion/Article III
• etc.

Sort of like the offspring of a marriage between Special:Prefixindex and Special:Contributions.

If no such thing exists, I'd settle for a linked alphabetized list of all the articles I've edited. Currently, the only way I can think of to do this is look at my contributions filtered by namespace, import them into Excel, and sort them by page name. But then I can't click on each link, I have to go into the history of each article to find my edit. So I'm left with scanning my contrib list myself, and trying to makes sure I catch them all.

Any tools that can help? Thanks! --barneca (talk) 17:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

If there was such a tool, it would be at Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters, although I'm not aware of one which does specifically what you're saying. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 19:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. A quick look thru all of them doesn't lead me to what I'm looking for. Oh well, back to Excel. --barneca (talk) 22:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Archiving

Simple question, with a probable simple answer: How do I archive my talk page? It's gotten so big that it's spilling out over my borders. Thanks -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 17:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

There are three different ways to do it, each with their own benefits and drawbacks. Or, you could get a bot to do it (one example is User:MiszaBot III, I beleive there are others} automatically. If you try wading thru WP:ARCHIVE, it should answer most of your questions, and you can always come back here with a more targetted question if something's still unclear. --barneca (talk) 18:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 18:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest doing it manually, since bot maintainers tend to disappear every so often. Corvus cornix_talk 19:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Linking to categories

Why can't I link to a category page in a talk page? -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 18:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

You can, like this: [[:category:my category]] which shows up like this: category:my category. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewedwards (talk • contribs) 18:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

P2P wikipedia comunity

will i be allowed/able to set up a special wikipedia page which will basically be a community of file sharing program (FSP) users that could leave their IP addresses and which songs,artists, genres etc that they like and then P2P FSP can 'link' with them and get, mainly, music from them........could i do this......what about on my user page.....thanks, --81.79.201.21 (talk) 18:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

No. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a file sharing site. henrik•talk 18:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Besides which what you are talking about is illegal. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 19:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is very strict about copyright laws. Even if what you were talking about were possible, to attempt to do so would get you blocked, probably indefinitely. I'd suggest you stop doing it anyway, because as mentioned, it is illegal and could easily get you in trouble with local authorities, especially if you keep talking about it like this. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

FAQ not working

How do I submit an article to Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanforray (talk • contribs) 18:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 19:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

posting

where do i find the directions on how to post a new topic in wiki? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedevicesinshift (talk • contribs) 19:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I left a welcome message on your talk page that includes some links that should get you started. However, I believe WP:ARTICLE is the place you're interested in right now. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 20:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 20:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Problem creating an account

I created an account with a username of MarkJ, which is the only reasonable one to use for my name. I wrote that, my password, and my e-mail address (<email removed>) down as I entered them (with the password having been entered twice when I created the account). However, when I try to log in I get "Incorrect password or confirmation code entered." If I click on "E-mail new password," I get the message "Error sending mail: There is no e-mail address recorded for user 'MarkJ'." When I try to create an account again, I get "Username entered already in use." So the system has grabbed my username, but not my password or my e-mail address, and there is no way to find out what it thinks my password might be since it thinks that I don't have an e-mail address. Is there some way to delete my username, so I can start creating an account from scratch again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.22.236.230 (talk) 19:21, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

User:MarkJ was editing in 2005, so you probably didn't create that account. You might get somebody to allow you to WP:USURP the acount, since it has only ever made one edit. Corvus cornix_talk 19:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the IP may have created that account, as they have edited since 2003. --The Helpful One 20:12, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

If you mistyped the name of the account on creation, but you know roughly when you created it, you might have some luck looking through the user creation log. Bovlb (talk) 22:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Subpage

Am i alright creating this User:Dust Rider/NightWatch it's not violating any rules and it's suppose to be helping Wikipedia. →Dust Rider→ 19:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't really see any point to it, to be honest. There seem to be no features to differentiate it from the CVU. GlassCobra 20:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Shall i reword it or have it erased. →Dust Rider→ 20:21, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't go against Wikipedia user page policy if that's what you mean, which allows for a surprising bit of freedom. I'm not sure how your group is distinct from the general anti-vandalism force though. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 20:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

How does one link to a Wikipedia page?

I am trying to send a link in an email to a wikipedia page. How do I create the link in the body of the email? Thank you. 20:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)ArtInfo3 (talk) 20:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Go to the article's page. Copy the URL of the article from the address bar in your browser; paste it into the e-mail. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

If you want the link to be to the same page version as you see now then click "Permanent link" in the toolbox to the left before copying the URL. If you want to make a HTML e-mail then the details depend on the used program. If you make a plain text e-mail with a URL then it depends on the receivers mail client whether they can click it as a link or have to copy the URL to their browser. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:48, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox on the left side of page?

Is there a way to put a infobox on the left side of the page. All I can seen to do, is put on the right side. Please respond. Thanks DJS --DJS24 (talk) 21:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, the "infobox" table class has the table on the right side by default, and general convention is to keep the infobox on the right, as this helps avoid formatting issues with the article. There is a way, but we'd prefer you didn't. May I ask which article you are seeking to do this in? Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It's for the WikiProject Xbox 360, I'm looking to have the Xbox 360 box on the left side, with the old xbox on the right side, with pictures of each in the middle. This would be put of a console section. --DJS24 (talk) 22:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

The link should be Wikipedia:WikiProject Xbox 360. Do you mean an infobox on that page or on an article? The design of a WikiProject page doesn't seem important to the encyclopedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Down near the Participants section are infoboxes for each of the two Xbox consoles. XENON54 | talk | who? 22:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I know there's boxes down there, I designed the page. I'm looking to put a "Console" section on that page, where the Xbox 360 infobox is on the left and the old Xbox infobox is on the right, with two pictures of them in the middle. PrimeHunter, the page is important to me, as I'm the one making it. --DJS24 (talk) 23:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, since it's not for an article I'll tell you. What is supposed to work is adding align="left" to the top of the table, next to the infobox declaration. For some reason, however, that isn't working; the infobox class is still overriding the local alignment setting, despite everything that is said at Help:Table. So, what you can do instead is force it to work by nesting it within a table. It won't be the most elegant solution (and in fact it's quite ugly), but it'll probably work best for what you're apparently planning anyway, and is in fact the only thing that will work as far as I can tell. Fortunately, people don't generally edit the main WikiProject page too much, so you should be ok. The code you need is posted below. Enjoy. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

This is your left infobox blah blah blah blah

Here go all your pictures and whatnot.

This is your right infobox blah blah blah blah

Organise User Talk Page

Hello. I'm having trouble getting something to work on my User Talk Page. I would like the archive box to the right (you can't miss it) to stay there and I would like to insert this to the left. Next, the TOC would be in the center and they would be able to scroll up and down. Here is a link where you can edit my user talk page. Thanks for your help! - Milk's Favorite Cookie 22:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I can take a look at it, although for future reference, the Help Desk is for questions about using Wikipedia, not really userspace design. ;-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

American Stroke Foundation

I received the following message when I attempted to add The American Stroke Foundation as a link to the article on stroke. The American Stroke Foundation is in fact a national organization. The offices are in the Kansas City metro area, however, the information and education is perfomed on a nationwide basis.

Thanks

"Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, your recent addition of a link to a Kansas City-area nonprofit organization was removed. Wikipedia is a worldwide encyclopedia, and links to purely local organizations are strongly discouraged under the official external links policy. I would like to suggest that you read the external links policy before adding any more links to articles. Here are some other pages that you might find helpful:..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Partagasx (talk • contribs) 22:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

For a different perspective on this organization, editors might want to see the ASF website, which says, "We are a local Kansas City non-profit organization that provides post-rehabilitative services to stroke survivors"[9] (emphasis added). They offer several classes and a monthly lecture, but these services are only available in person at their two rehab centers, which are seven miles (~10 km) apart in the same metropolitan area. For all I know, they may answer the occasional e-mail question, and they do provide a few short pages of basic information on their website, but there is no evidence on the proposed website that the inclusion of their website complies with WP:EL, and I begin to wonder whether the insistence on its inclusion actually has more to do with the big red letters on the main page: "Please consider a tax-deductible gift to fund programs and activities at ASF."[10] Perhaps my original note to the new editor should have also included a link to the conflicts of interest policy. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Email

How do I add an email address to one of my pages so that the person my click on it and go to their email sender —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.75.163.99 (talk) 23:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure that you can do that on Wikipedia. However, one of the benefits of registering an account is the ability to associate an e-mail address with your account and receive e-mails from other Wikipedians. XENON54 | talk | who? 23:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Just type it in with the text "mailto:" in front of it. e.g., mailto:address@example.com. You can hide the mailto part if you want. E.g., [mailto:address@example.com address@example.com] in the edit box displays as: address@example.com • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 00:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

January 31

Singing Shape Notes, Converted to Piano Playing Notes

My wife is trying to find a grand Staff Singing notes Converted To Piano Playing Notes, a chart between the two Differances side by side. She is learning to play piano and has a song she wrote ,but the notes were written in shape notes, my wife was a mennonite at the time,. A mennonite lady wrote shape notes to my wifes song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Karla (talk • contribs) 00:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Try the reference desk.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 00:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Which is here. XENON54 | talk | who? 00:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia take a couple of days to update?

I have just returned from Sydney doing a photo shoot of old terraced (row) houses and yesterday inserted a 'houses' section with a small gallery in the Wikipedia article on Camperdown, an inner city suburb of Sydney. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camperdown%2C_New_South_Wales When bringing up the article today I see that my section has not yet appeared. However when I go into "history" and look at latest changes then bring up the page from there, my new section is there in all its glory! I take it that the server takes a day or so to update? I have noticed this in the past with other articles. Just want to ensure that I'm doing the right thing. Cheers. --MichaelGG (talk) 01:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you try purging the server cache? --Hdt83 ^Chat 01:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Its because you browser in caching the page, preventing the page from updating, if your using IE hold shift and click refresh.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 01:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

See more at Wikipedia:Bypass your cache. Some ISPs cache some pages before they reach the customers. Bypassing the browser cache doesn't help in that case. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Translating Pages

Are there any licensing issue for translating wikipedia articles in English to other languages for wikipedia essentially verbatim? Commment (talk) 01:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia content is free to use anywhere. —Travis^talk 02:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

With the caveat that the GFDL license would seem to require that you acknowledge the source. On en.wiki, you can use Template:Translation/Ref; I assume your target wikipedias have a similar tamplate. If you can't find it on one of them, you can ask there. --barneca (talk) 02:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Translation. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Juandrezh: A new language

I have been looking for the rules and regulations for making a new article, and in order to avoid any future problems, I'd like to explain the article I plan to make. I and a fellow student have developed a new language, or creole as its a mix of several languages, and wish to publicize its grammar and vocabulary. Juandrezhconsists of completely unique verbal conjuguations, orthography, etc. These grammatical elements are controled by a bipartisan group called the Academuzia Juandrezha dilla Lenguzia - Reglamentum dilla Grammaticuzia e l'Ôrtôgrafuzia. Many people have asked to be taught this language and I thought putting its grammatical rules into a wikipedia article would be much more efficient than private lessons. Will any probelsm arise if I proceed to create this article? Juandrezh (talk) 02:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

The subject of your article doesn’t sound like it would meet Wikipedia’s notability guidelines and would seem to violate the restrictions against original research. Wikipedia cannot be used to establish notability - notability must already be established. —Travis^talk 02:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought and is not for things made up in school one day. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 02:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Holy cross high school, Waterbury, CT

Hi, before i posted a picture on the holy cross high school page of waterbury, CT. I put it under basketball and it was the three captains of 2005 along with the coach. It came on first, but than was deleted. Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jumpshtocap25 (talk • contribs) 02:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Note: The image in question is Holycross.jpg —Travis^talk 02:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

The license apparently said it was only allowed to use on Wikipedia. Wikipedia allows others to reuse images and does not accept images that are only allowed on Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Uploading images. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

HTMAL MESAGE

HOW TI GET THE NET SITE UDSED FOR HTML MESSAGE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.172.7.157 (talk) 02:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Proper English please, I can't understand what you are trying to say. --FastLizard4 (Talk•Index•Sign) 02:56, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

What tags to put on brochure using a Wikipedia image

Hi there. I'm working on a brochure and we would like to use the following image [11] which is available for use under GNU 1.2. Thing is what tags should I put in the brochure? Couldn't see any firm instructions on this. Thanks for your help.Saganaki- (talk) 07:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Depending on your particular use, you will find usage instructions both at The GNU Free Documentation License, the General disclaimer page, and the image page itself. It may be some heavy reading, but it's important stuff. Hope this helps a bit! --omtay38 07:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I've already trawled these and still couldn't figure out what to put. Trying to find some examples of sourcing via the search engines, but not luck. As wikipedia itself currently seems to be silent on the issue, if anyone is able to offer anything definite, perhaps we could consider adding a section to the image use page itself? Saganaki- (talk) 07:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the GFDL is stupid. Thus you are required to include (as stated in part 2 of the license) not only a notice saying who holds the copyright and the 'released under the GFDL' blurb from the image page, but also the entire text of the GFDL itself. In addition, if making more than 100 copies, you are required to link to a 'transparent' version (i.e. the Wikipedia image page) and to take 'reasonably prudent steps' to ensure it remains there and is not deleted. Algebraist 10:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Why is our "little" companies profile not meeting the Wiki standard for publication?

Is a Starbucks or Game Stop wiki entry an advertisement? If these companies have wiki entries why are other companies and their corporate profiles rejected. Who decides when a company will be included in wiki? Would anyone within the wiki world help me write a profile correctly to meet the standard? Thank your for your time in advance! Treynia Treynia (talk) 07:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there and welcome to the help desk! Wikipedia has a set of notability guidelines for organizations and companies. Basically, these guidelines are a measure of whether or not a company or organization is a valid subject for an encyclopedic article. If you would like assistance creating an article or an opinion as to whether or not an article meets these guidelines, I would suggest creating a draft of the article in a subpage of your userspace. Then feel free to leave a message on my talk page or re-post here asking that the draft be looked at for notability and merit. Hope this helps! --omtay38 08:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

ans me

should pakistan enetr into free trade with india ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.38.58.7 (talk) 08:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I didn't do it!

I don't know if this is the place to go or not, but after reviewing the options, here goes. I was looking up "typhoon", and I saw a message box on the screen. The message told me to stop changing things, articles about high schools or sports I think, and I don't know how I could even have gotten messages. After looking everywhere, I saw someone else's message about the same kind of thing, and it was mentioned that someone might have used their IP address.

          How coould someone use my IP address if that is what 
          happened in this case? 

          I don't have an account, so how  did I get this       message? 

          How can I find the message again? --65.54.98.27 (talk) 08:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)--65.54.98.27 (talk) 08:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

BUYING FROM WIKIPEDIA

Have asked before but didn't have the time to buy before my travel, and now I forgot where to find it... - Where do I find the page where one can buy posters, T-shirts etc from Wikipedia? Do I need an account to be able to buy? All the best, Charlie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.247.50.178 (talk) 09:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

There might be other places, but here is one. Algebraist 10:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

VERY MUCH THANK YOU !!!!! Now finally I could order. All the best to you - Charlie

Editing a page with no Editing link

A well known personality has certain details displayed in Wikipedia which I have been asked if I can remove. I have created an account as normal, and logged in, but there is no link on his page to allow me to edit the details. Neither is there a padlock indicating that it is locked.

Am I missing something?

Bob Jury —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobjury (talk • contribs) 11:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)