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Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I suppose my 2nd concern is the same as the above ones, in that the wording for the Senate victory should include the election article for clarity. The current blurb doesn't flow well, as it is discussing two separate (but related) elections. Natg 19 (talk) 03:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Can you (or anyone) make a specific suggestion what the blurb should be? Schwede66 03:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My issue above is that 2024 United States Senate elections does not even meet WP:ITNQUALITY with a sufficient prose update covering the results. Perhaps it's IAR-worthy as a US election, but mentioning the Senate is treating the presidential blurb as a WP:COATRACK without the ITN norm of requiring the related Senate page be up to par before mentioning it in the blurb. My suggestion remains: Donald Trump (pictured) wins the United States presidential election and the Republican Party is set to take control of the Senate. —Bagumba (talk) 06:02, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the senate elections from the Trump blurb. Bagumba, as you are an admin, feel free to action these things yourself. When you edit the main page boldly, you sometimes get reverted, but that's life. Nobody will chop your head off, though. Give it a go, my friend. Schwede66 07:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: Admittedly, I lean more towards strength in numbers when it comes to fully-protected pages, and then moreso when broadly construing WP:INVOLVED. —Bagumba (talk) 07:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Schwede66 07:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nov. 6, 2024 DYK states Vivian Stranders is a "British-born Jew" who became an officer in the SS ,,, nothing in the main article suggests this Nazi was born a Jew or ever practiced Judaism. This person was an officer in the RAF who became a German intelligence asset and then a German and a Nazi officer. Again, the DYK is wrong. Better might be DYK " Vivian Stranders was a British -born RAF officer who became a German spy and a Nazi officer." —68.129.185.93 (talk • contribs) 02:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you won't mind I added an "a" before "German" in that suggestion. Art LaPella (talk) 03:02, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per article "Stranders was Jewish and some of his SS colleagues suspected him of being a British spy." The ref 31 supporting has "Vivian Stranders, an Englishman who had served in the British Army [...] Astonishingly enough, this long-standing British member of the NSDAP and SS was also Jewish — a fact known to at least some of his colleagues" (no page numbers available) JennyOz (talk) 03:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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"Was" is more grammatical here: the embassy still exists, but the Eastern Bloc doesn't, and we tend to talk about "firsts" in the past tense, even when the subject is alive (e.g. "Barack Obama was the first black person elected president".) UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello,

In the mobile Wikipedia home page en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, I read “Today's Featured Article” and “In The News”. These are not proper nouns. Please smash This Ridiculous English-Newspaper-Style Capitalization Of Everything. In the Wikipedia Manual of Style, we have Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters which tells not to put Capital Letters Everywhere. Let's set a good example in the home page. In the normal Wikipedia home page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, the texts are correct : “Today's featured article” and “In the news”.

Thanks.

--Nnemo (talk) 02:31, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It appears these were set in rev:94564 and can be changed at MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-featured-article and MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-news-items. I don't have a mobile device and don't know whether the capitals were chosen for a reason. On small screens it may be easier to read the headings with capitals, and then interested users might be able to zoom in on the below text. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:52, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't think these capital letters have such a reason of existence. ;-) But anyway, the capital letters take more space than the lowercase letters, so for small devices it is even more required to user small letters.
--Nnemo (talk) 08:49, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. Per WP:MOSHEAD, section headings are in sentence case, not title case. howcheng {chat} 09:43, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your investigation ! MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-featured-article and MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-news-items can not be changed, they are locked.
--Nnemo (talk) 18:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Protected pages can still be edited, they just require an administrator account on Wikipedia. Prodego talk 07:46, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Several days later, I decided to verify that my changes worked, and yes indeed the capitalization is correct, although I suppose I can't say for sure that someone else didn't do something to it—I suppose I could test it by making another change then reloading the page, but I also don't know if caching is involved, either.. howcheng {chat} 22:08, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Please smash This Ridiculous English-Newspaper-Style Capitalization Of Everything."

I'm fairly sure that English newspapers don't capitalise everything – standard English newspaper practice is to capitalise only the first word of a headline, and proper nouns. American newspapers, on the other hand, do stick capital letters all over the place. 31.185.35.82 (talk) 16:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed that very often when news is posted, it's not the 1st story which the picture relates to.

Lets change this to alleviate confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panarchy (talk • contribs) 11:13, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the entry in the FAQ about this. Modest Genius talk 11:21, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've often thought that the knee jerk dismissal of people with this complaint by telling them essentially "we know, that's how we do it, if you don't like it tough" was not the right tactic. This complaint comes up repeatedly, so it is obviously something that should be given a great deal of thought. I've often thought that breaking the "In the news" section into two parts, the item with an image and all other items in chronological order, would alleviate the problem.--Khajidha (talk) 16:03, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It *has* received a great amount of thought, particularly during the long-but-abortive main page redesign proposal a year or two ago. The major stumbling blocks were a) mobile sites and other transclusions, b) design and layout considerations and c) inertia. If someone has a *new* proposal on how to address these, please do make it. But rehashing the same arguments again and again is unproductive, and at the very least people need to be aware of why the status quo is the way it is, and what the previous stumbling-blocks were. Modest Genius talk 16:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And how does treating the item with a picture as a special case (always going first) introduce any problems beyond those that already exist? --Khajidha (talk) 17:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's something we try to do, but there's not always a free image available for the first item. That's why Portia Simpson-Miller (and Fernando Lugo, of course) stayed up for days. howcheng {chat} 17:42, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think the OP is suggesting the item is kept at the top even if it's not chronological order. The general objection to this is there is already sufficient complaints about items receiving too much attention because they have a picture, to give them even more attention by keeping them at the top is unwanted by some. We got enough complaints when we tried bolding. Nil Einne (talk) 18:03, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(outdent) It has always seemed a bit strange to me that many times, there would be a picture at the top of the news, and the item right next to it would have nothing to do with it. I think, therefore, that the complaints (as well as my own opinion) lean towards association of a picture with a particular story being more important than always having a picture at the top of the news. I think we may have fallen into the rut of "well, it's always been like that, so..."
Therefore, is there some way to "block out" stories such that the picture would stay with its story all the time? I don't know if these sorts of things require RFC input, but basically what I am asking is "is it absolutely essential to have a picture at the top of the news section at all times, or should pictures move with their associated stories?" MSJapan (talk) 19:36, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My suggestion keeps the picture at the top AND associated with a particular story. As the section is not an actual news ticker, the objection that the item is not kept in chronological order seems less important to me. This is especially so as the rest of the items would stay in order. The addition of some symbol or line after the item with the picture should indicate that it is being treated somewhat specially. As for the objection that this puts undue emphasis on a story simply because it has a picture, I contend that that should spur contributors to find/make usable pictures for other stories.--Khajidha (talk) 13:31, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia blackout protest

I recently received an E-Mail from Demand Progress encouraging users to donate to Wikipedia to mitigate losses from a complete server shutdown as a protest movement against SOPA/PIPA.

C'mon guys, really? Is Wikipedia intending to go on a full shutdown just to protest SOPA? If so, would this "Protest" extend to other Wikimedia sister sites?

You'd be better off redirecting to stopcensorship.org or some other anti-SOPA/PIPA website with a custom header telling people to visit wikipedia via it's IP address (As that's all what SOPA would really do, last I heard; Block domain names, not IP addresses.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.56.196.150 (talk) 04:15, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See above Nil Einne (talk) 15:27, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know who could have sent that email - but I wouldn't click on any links in it. Running the servers is an expense to Wikipedia, not a source of income anyway. All our income is from donations. 75.41.110.200 (talk) 16:03, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure the email was really sent by Demand Progress, see [1]. The pledges to donate appear to be more about encouraging us to participate in a blackout then anything to do with migating losses. Having said that, depending on how the blackout is implemented there may be some losses. If we really shutdown all sites including the WMF site, some people who were intending to donate on that day may never donate. On the other hand, I suspect simply blacking out will have a big effect on donations, both from those who like the action and decide to donate (or donate more) because of it (even without Demand Progress pledges this is likely to happen) and also from those who decide they dislike our actions and choose not to donate or donate less because of it. However it wouldn't surprise me if the amount of staff time and WMF resources spent already on the process is larger then any change in donations. In any case, I don't think any putative change in donations is a factor for most whether supporting or opposing actions by us. Nil Einne (talk) 18:16, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, what? We're actually going to blackout over this? Where can I register my opposition to such a stupid act? Modest Genius talk 16:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There's an RFC here. Hut 8.5 16:51, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I notice that there's now also a banner, although this doesn't mention anything about a blackout, so only users who click-through will learn that such idiotic action could be taken. Modest Genius talk 17:46, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you're against Wikipedia taking action, you go to the page to say so. If you're in favour of Wikipedia taking action, you go to the page to say so. The only people whose voices won't be heard are those who, with the notification rammed down their throats, still choose to shrug their shoulders. —WFC— 01:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Or had no idea what SOPA was or any appreciation of how serious the proposed action is. The banner means nothing to anyone who didn't already know what it was about. Modest Genius talk 21:42, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To show its opposition to censorship and a law against free exchange of information, Wikipedia will censor itself. That's asinine. 24.27.31.170 (talk) 00:47, 17 January 2012 (UTC) Eric[reply]

As opposed to doing nothing and getting censored forever? That's more asinine.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 00:55, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, one could engage in direct personal protest by not using the internet. That might accomplish a lot, too. Quite frankly, I'd suggest that in addition to this protest, which seems to be a done deal, that Wikipedia RIGHT NOW come to a decision as to whether it will actually obey this law if it passes. 24.27.31.170 (talk) 01:11, 17 January 2012 (UTC) Eric[reply]

It's "In less than", not "then." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.133.8.35 (talk) 01:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't good for Wikipedia. For it to take a political action like this undermines any pretense of neutrality. Wikipedia can claim to be neutral at this moment, despite the collection of biases that her users hold, whatever they maybe. Now, this pretense is over. 98.176.11.141 (talk) 01:21, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jeez. What can precious neutrality do if the site itself is dead? Or have moved to umm... Iceland? :P -- Obsidi♠n Soul 02:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WMF could solve this by reincorporating in another country, and move their primary servers over seas. It wouldn't be that expensive, especially as they could keep their offices in SanFran. This is a problem for WMF because WMF has chosen to make it a problem for WMF. --LauraHale (talk) 02:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But by doing that they'd truly become a foreign company. An even more applicable target than if they stayed in the US. But of course, Wikipedia could preemptively block US IPs once abroad. No more problem. No more Wikipedia for Americans either.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 03:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WMF is already a "foreign company" to most of us. Malleus Fatuorum 03:12, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. I did !vote for banner only for non-American users. But *shrugs* -- Obsidi♠n Soul 03:15, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On this day... Section

Hi. I was browsing through On this day... historical section and couldn't find "1991 - Soviet Union troops attack Lithuanian independence supporters in Vilnius, killing 14 people and wounding 1000.".

Well, given its historical importance, I truly let myself believe that it is far more important historical event than something like: "1968 – American singer Johnny Cash recorded his landmark album At Folsom Prison live at the Folsom State Prison in Folsom, California...

Since this day is even today marked as a great remembrance day with a large number of events in Lithuania, I'd deem "1991 - Soviet Union troops attack Lithuanian independence supporters in Vilnius, killing 14 people and wounding 1000." to be highly relevant in today's world and worth mention on wikipedia's main page. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RammyJuice (talk • contribs) 09:48, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

January Events (Lithuania) is currently ineligible to appear as a bold link in the "On this day" section because it is tagged with {{more footnotes}}. See point 8 of Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries#Criteria for listing items on this set of pages. BencherliteTalk 10:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

discussion's SOPA: banner

I now this isn't the right place, but I don't now where I should write it.

In this day in Wikipedia in inglish user are discussing about SOPA initiative. In Wikipedia in italien there is a banner where is written:

<(used google translater)> A bill being debated in the Congress of the United States threatens Wikipedia. In the English language have been proposed some initiatives of protest. Join the discussion about it on Wikipedia in Italian </(used google translater)>

But in WP in English there isn't. I think is needed to put a banner with the aim of don't make the mistake which was done of the user of Wikipedia in Italian: someone will be angry because he/she didn't was warned about the protest (thinking "Wikipedia is an oligarchy") and maybe he/She isn't agree by the decision choice.

Greeting by Italy, It:Utente:Italo Stefano Moro

--Moro, il veneto (talk) 18:42, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Stefano. There actually is a banner, but it only seems to appear when you view your watchlist or make an edit. You should see it at the top if you respond to this. --FormerIP (talk) 02:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, now i see it. --Moro, il veneto (talk) 21:01, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Cool — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.69.210 (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OTD

The Soviet Invasion of Czechoslovakia was not "one year earlier," it was six months earlier. Sca (talk) 23:13, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Probably meant to say "the previous year". --Khajidha (talk) 23:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"less then"

Someone please fix the SOPA blackout banner, which currently says "less then 29 hours". Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.17.151 (talk) 01:15, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good grief! Proof-reading anyone? Anyone proof-reading?

Great, just when people are definitely going to be wondering if all this has been thought-through... Could someone quickly fix the simply dreadful English in the blinking banner, by changing 'then' to 'than'? Stupid stupid stupid! 24.28.17.231 (talk) 01:15, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just checking to see if you'd notice, heh heh. 24.27.31.170 (talk) 01:32, 17 January 2012 (UTC) Eric[reply]

Global information freedom

I think global balckout is right position of Wikimedia foundation. Its not just problem for USA users, but its large problem for all internet users as well.

Polititions usually support worse anti-piracy law, but SOPA/PIPA its worse idea ever. If this law will be accepted in USA its can going to be a world problem. Anybody will be allowed to block any website!

Anybody who support information freedom should undestand that.

But you can also support it by the other way. Read and connect your computer to this projects:

Right now this projects need more programmers/webmasters and donations! But even you can't do that, just install software router, because each new user make them faster and more anonymous.

You just need to remember: information freedom its not just SOPA/PIPA, its thousands of other law and rules. This networks its future of internet freedom, because nobody can control them! Even RIAA/BSE/etc organisation cannot block real P2P network. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.40.36 (talk) 04:35, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Ridiculous

How in the world is globally blacking out en.wikipedia going to do ANYTHING?! Fine, so a lot of powers-that-be do not agree with SOPA. HOW exactly does that warrant a global blackout of the largest language of wikipedia?! That is going much, much too far. I thought people were more levelheaded than this. I'm starting to understand why wikipedia draws the criticism it does; criticism I never thought it deserved... until now. This is catagorically asinine. I hope more rational minds prevail in the remaining hours. Jersey John (talk) 04:46, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that a more 'levelheaded' and less emotional approach would be to explain your concern, rather than insulting the rationality of the community and labeling things you disagree with as 'asinine'. And I'm not sure, but this probably isn't the correct venue for this discussion. (e • nn • en!) 06:00, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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