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Woman of the day: a new one each day from our women's biographies

January 2020 at Women in Red

January 2020, Volume 6, Issue 1, Numbers 146, 148, 149, 150, 151, 153 Happy Holidays from all of us at Women in Red, and thank you for your support in 2019. We look forward to working with you in 2020! Online events: New: Activists / Public domain / Geofocus: Central America / Year-long campaign: Sports! Continuing: 2019 deaths / #1day1woman Editor feedback: Help us plan our future events at the Ideas Cafe Join the conversations on our talkpage Social media: Facebook / Instagram / Pinterest / Twitter Stay in touch: Join WikiProject Women in Red / Opt-out of notifications

Requesting help with Ruth M. Arthur

Hi all! I noticed that one of my favourite childhood authors wasn't on here, so I was going to start writing an article about her. The big problem though is that I don't seem to be finding much at all about her online and paper sources in this country don't cover her. Would anyone be willing to help out? I've put the info I could find out about her on a subpage of my userpage and created a list of her works based on the info in the databases of the British Library and National Scotland Library. Strange coincidence: someone created a beautiful article about one of her books yesterday! Thanks for any and all help! -Yupik (talk) 05:57, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

There's probably enough in https://www.enotes.com/topics/ruth-m-abel-arthur together with her publication list, to launch an article? --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:30, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

& http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=arthur_ruth_m --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:34, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Review (1972) of the Little Dark Thorn: [1]

Review (1974) of After Candlemas: [2]

Review (1966) of A Candle in Her Room: [3] --Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:41, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

You've found some amazing sources, thank you (and ClarityKTMpls too)! I've launched the article out of userspace into the main article space, but right now there's still not a lot of text. This is a lot of commented out text with sources inside the article itself, if anyone is inclined to play connect the dots. I'll also continue working on it to make sure it stays out off the deletion list. :) -Yupik (talk) 00:41, 4 February 2020 (UTC) 

If we have anyone who can add Japanese names to Wikidata, this author's name in Japanese is ルース・M.アーサー. For some reason, Wikidata isn't letting me, perhaps too many languages already in my babel box :D -Yupik (talk) 01:16, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

@Yupik:, just swang by and filled your request: by the way, Rûsu M Āsâ (ルース・M・アーサー) applying the same fat (2-byte) dots be better if someone jumps in and multiple it on jawp. Ping me anytime you find wikidata lacks Japanese scribble. (; --Omotecho (talk) 18:18, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

URL shortener

Thanks, Rosiestep, for including the URL shortener for WiR on our main page. I was wondering if you or anyone else could place it in a box under shortcut on the right hand side of the page. It looks rather frightening where it is now.--Ipigott (talk) 12:57, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Ipigott, frightening? Oh my. If you could provide an example of what kind of box, e.g. perhaps one that's used on another Wikiproject mainpage, I I can move the URL shortener there. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:45, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Well not really frightening for me but perhaps for some of the newcomers who look at the page. I played around quite a bit but couldn't find how to move it tidily. I was hoping one of our more technically minded friends would show up and solve the problem - if it is a problem. Let's leave it for a while and see if we get any help. Otherwise I'll devote an hour or so to doing it myself. Unless you think it should be kept where it is.--Ipigott (talk) 13:57, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Rosiestep: OK, I figured out how to put it in a box and move it to the right but I'm not sure it should be right at the top. Anyway, I think it is a slight improvement.--Ipigott (talk) 15:20, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I like how you did that, Ipigott. That is a better way to display it. Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:08, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

I hope people will realize what it's for and how it works.--Ipigott (talk) 16:34, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

I've tweaked things so it would line up better and emit the proper HTML. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:46, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Headbomb, that's exactly what I wanted to do. Looks much better now.--Ipigott (talk) 07:52, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Raketaka

Hi All, I started a draft for Princess Raketaka of Madagascar, but I have got into difficulty - it seems that there are two death dates? Perhaps for more than one person? But I can't seem to disentangle them from my reading via google translate. Most of the sources are in French and one or two in malagasy. I wondered if anyone could take a look at the Talk Raketaka page and see what you think? This is the wikidata link I worked from: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q67165290 (Lajmmoore (talk) 20:50, 15 February 2020 (UTC))

Firming up for March

Still time to voice your opinion here regarding out March events. Thank you. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:42, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for making an early start on this. It would be good to receive feedback from as many of our participants as possible.--Ipigott (talk) 11:32, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Assorted drafts on women from G13 sweep (Draft:Elizabeth Anne Wood, etc.)

I did a sweep of stale/abandoned drafts coming up for G13 until my wrists gave out. There were a few more drafts on women that I postponed, if anyone is interested in adoption. Most of these will need work and several appear only of borderline notability. (If the subject is definitely not notable at present that information would be worth appending.)

• Fannie Quigley American pioneer; deceased (abandoned, contributor still intermittently active) [promising, imo, but not an area I work in](Moved to article space by ThatMontrealIP).
• Rosa Lachenmeier Swiss painter/photographer; translation from German; living (declined) [quite well developed] -- moved to mainspace--Ipigott (talk) 11:59, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
• Cäcilia Böhm-Wendt German physicist; deceased; microstub (abandoned, one-off contributor) [I did a bit of Googling without coming up with much on this; would perhaps need a German speaker and/or access to print records]
• Draft:Elizabeth Anne Wood American sociologist, publishes on sex work; living (declined) [Google Scholar citations moderate on her works]
• Draft:Kathrin Christians German flautist; living (declined) [borderline, bit promotional]
• Draft:Yvonne Jones (artist) Welsh artist; living (multiply declined, alleged possibly paid) [this is probably the least promising]

Thanks! Espresso Addict (talk) 03:16, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

I found a little more on Cäcilia Böhm-Wendt, enough to turn the draft from a microstub into a stub. There could be more in German-language sources. XOR'easter (talk) 17:09, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

I moved Fannie Quigley to Article space. Widely covered in good sources.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, all. There's a huge amount of potentially viable content to be found in the G13 categories (>5%) but it's hard to find amidst the dross. I don't know if there's any way of automating a search for drafts on notable women among abandoned/rejected drafts? Particularly if one could find it earlier in the cycle, before the creator has given up on Wikipedia entirely. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:12, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I have no experience in the area of Wikipedia coding, but I do do some coding here and there. it seems to me that one just needs to access the Wikipedia API, then sort for a) draft space, b) expiring soon, and c) some mention of "she" or d) is in a women-related category. Not a complicated coding job for someone who knows how to access the API.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:33, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

• @Espresso Addict: I really like that you have pre-vetted all these good topics. Cäcilia Böhm-Wendt is widely cited, and I have added some sources tot he ones XOR'easter added and moved her page to article space. Thanks.

Thanks, ThatMontrealIP. Actually I felt a bit guilty at dumping them all on WiR's doorstep, but there's all the 40 or so others I postponed that are not about women to rehome, too. On finding them automatically, categories aren't usually attached to drafts unless they've been draftified from mainspace (a surprisingly common phenomenon). I wondered if the Wikidata lists of women might be of service? Espresso Addict (talk) 01:20, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Cropping photos

Would anyone be able to help me crop this photo [4] for Rosario, Princess of Preslav? The photo currently has three people in it, she is the one on the left. Also if someone could help with this photo [5] for Feiping Chang, who is on the far right. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 05:45, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Sure: File:Royal Wedding Stockholm 2010-Konserthuset-400 (cropped).jpg, File:Feiping Chang (5820571256).jpg. I highly recommend everyone go to the Gadgets page in their Commons Preferences and turn on CropTool, as it's perfect for this kind of task. Nick Number (talk) 06:14, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Number: Thank you so much!! -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 15:48, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of Headbomb's articles

As Headbomb has been a very constructive member of this project, I looked up his article creation record and was surprised to see that the majority of his articles have been deleted. As he has being trying to include new articles and redirects on academic journals, I was surprised to see how many of the original articles had been deleted. Even the acceptance of his own articles (e.g. The Journal of Historical Biography, Education (journal), is questioned. Maybe we have contributors who could look into this more closely.--Ipigott (talk) 14:56, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

The majority of my articles haven't been deleted (you can find those here), what has been deleted is a bunch of redirects to deleted articles (usually systematic redirects to academic journals, based on ISO 4/MathSciNet/National Library of Medicine/Bluebook abbreviations, I often create those during deletion discussions to understand how often a journal is cited on Wikipedia). If you want to see what the real tally is, I have created in the neighbourhood of 35,000 pages, with ~300 of those being deleted and maybe 3 actual articles I created deleted over 13 some years.

Concerning The Journal of Historical Biography I created this as a redirect to Journal of Historical Geography by accident, and requested a WP:CSD#G7 deletion. I'm really not sure how that's nefarious. For Education (journal), see User talk:Headbomb/Archives/2019/December#Education (journal). If you want to AFD it, go right ahead.

I'm also not sure what this has to do with WIR. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:06, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Headbomb: Thanks for responding to this so quickly. I'm really sorry if you found my message offensive. It certainly wasn't my intention. The reason I though this would be of interest to WiR is that you are an active participant in the project and have been helping us along, mainly from a technical point of view, for some time. I noticed, however, that over the past 24 hours you had not only helped us technically but had advised on content in response to a message on our talk page. I therefore thought it would be interesting to look up your new article count to try to identify your main field of interest. While academic journals may not appear to be a topic for Women in Red, it is nevertheless of major interest, especially in connection with biographies of women writers or women in science. Thank you for sending the link to your mainspace articles including redirects, from which I see that over 98% of all your creations have in fact been redirects. These are of course a very important part of the encyclopaedia and it is thanks to people like you that we have easier access to articles. From the link to your user space, we can see that you have created a variety of useful articles on science topics, journals and biographies (although not yet on women). As for "The Journal of Historical Biography", I understand your explanation. I have also needed to delete several of my own articles because of bad titles, etc. "Education (journal)" looks fine to me even if it has a confusing title. I certainly am not pressing for its deletion. I also note, by the way, that quite a number of your articles listed as deleted have since been recreated by other editors and continue to be on mainspace.

The reason I brought this up is because I thought some of our other members might be interested in investigating some of the deletions but as you seem to be reasonably happy about how things are progressing, that may not be necessary. This exercise has however taught me a useful lesson and that is that the Xtools mainspace article count excluding redirects is not necessarily a good reflection of an editor's creative work. Finally, I note from two of your more recent lists, that there are a huge number of academic journals which are not yet the subject of Wikipedia articles.--Ipigott (talk) 17:09, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Didn't find it offensive, just puzzling. Concerning "a number of your articles listed as deleted have since been recreated by other editors and continue to be on mainspace" those are typically the result of a page move that overwrote an existing redirects, like moving 'Foobar (journal)' to 'Foobar'. As for articles on women, well being in physics, the situation here is actually better than in most science, at least in as much as all our big shot women have pretty decent articles, from Emmy Noether, to Chien-Shiung Wu, Carolyn Porco, Caroline Herschel, and the like, so there's very few low-hanging fruits left. I did improve Wu experiment fairly substantially, and I'm nominating it for a GA right now (I do need to tackle the review feedback soon though). I would have liked to do more for Women studies journal, but The Vintage Feminist (talk · contribs) beat me to it years ago. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Headbomb: As a result of all this, I've just been looking into your background and was interested to see you are a native French speaker now teaching physics at Dalhousie University in Halifax. (I actually docked in Halifax and stayed with friends in Moncton when I first arrived in Canada in 1968.) I've also read about all the useful work you did for Wikimedia in Frankfurt and your participation in Wikimedia conferences and editathons. Great stuff! Given you interest in the history of physics, despite the absence of low-hanging fruit, perhaps some further investigation will reveal one or two names deserving Wikipedia articles. In any case, it would be inspiring if you could create at least one new biography in connection with our focus on women in March. The Wu experiment looks like a good candidate for GA. It's very technical but even so, you could mention it as a candidate for Women in Green. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 18:15, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Truro, not Halifax, and I resigned last August. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:22, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

OK. That was not clear from the sources I found. Same general area though. On the "Wu experiment", it looks to me as if the ORES rating would be much higher if there were more in-line references, especially at the end of each paragraphs. You might also consider introducing Harvard referencing although that is not really required. Otherwise the article looks very well presented.--Ipigott (talk) 18:39, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Desktop is dead

Yeah. I'm going to be out of commission until I get funds together for a replacement of some sort. I can do a little bit on the laptop, but the laptop isn't really made for this kind of thing.... Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.3% of all FPs} 22:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Sad to hear. Get well soon, Adam's machine! —David Eppstein (talk) 20:34, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Well, my daughter has done a TON of work on her laptop, but I know what you mean. I am thinking of buying one so I can get out of my home office once in a while. My best to you, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:06, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

A non-registered ex officio member?

I cannot register as a member of this project, but would let it be known, for the record, that I am fully supportive of your remediative work to produce and expand articles for notable individuals, articles in many cases that are very long overdue. I invite people to engage me at the latest article that you see me editing, if I can be of any help. It is only my lack of availability to such important works as WIR that makes me sad to remain non-logging. Cheers, a former Prof (who, having been real-world harasssed as a logged editor, no longer does so to edit) 2601:246:C700:19D:7C8D:56CB:34EB:ED61 (talk) 18:04, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

“I just go on doing, as they say, my thing. I believe this takes a certain courage.”

Nice article about one of our members, with a thank you to Ser Amantio di Nicolao (P.S. the quote suits you well) for kindly mentioning the Women in Red community. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:40, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. I shall always mention Women in Red when given the chance. :-) (As for the quote, I'm glad you like it - Barber is one of my favorites, and has been for years.) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:16, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

And also a thank you to its author, Stephen Harrison. In a way, the article is a good demonstration of what Wikipedia cannot do. The Wikipedia biography of Steven Pruitt gives an accurate but rather dry summary of his achievements while Harrison's carefully structured interview reveals a person we would all like to have as a friend. Sometimes I think it is unfortunate that we are so limited in our use of primary sources. But thank goodness we have external links.--Ipigott (talk) 11:26, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

THIS^ ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 14:13, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Wonderful quote and interview, @Ser Amantio di Nicolao:! Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 06:12, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Great interview Ser Amantio di Nicolao and thanks for the shoutout about the Saami! :D -Yupik (talk) 21:50, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Yupik:, @Antiqueight:, @Ipigott:, @Clayoquot: - thank you kindly. With apologies for the delayed acknowledgement - I've been down several different rabbit holes this week, some Wiki-related, some not. Next week appears to be more of the same, alas. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 03:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Amir Talai (Draft:Amir Talai)

Not sure if WIR does men who support women, but he did hold a sign at Women's March that went viral over the internet. Cwmhiraeth's claim that the topic fails to meet WP:NACTOR, subject not having had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows or stage performances. and CAPTAIN RAJU's claim that He does not seem to meet the notability criteria for Entertainers in the AFD (which wasn't posted to any deletion sortings, which would have changed the AFD outcome) are both 100% false because his NACTOR claim is established in the notable work section in the Draft:Amir Talai infobox. I'm too busy with other stuff in WP to improve the article, but was wondering if anyone could do that. Ping LovelyLillith who started the AFD. ミラP 18:27, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

@Miraclepine: Go read Wikipedia:Canvassing. The above was not a good idea. It is possible to bring an AfD to a thread like whilst satifying Wikipedia:Canvassing. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

@Tagishsimon: The AFD is actually three years old, and I was gonna check if anything has changed since then. ミラP 19:19, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Adma Jeha d'Heurle

Newly created article Adma Jeha d'Heurle by Mkraetzer was speedily deleted by HickoryOughtShirt?4 after being tagged for deletion by Dede2008 for multiple (mostly valid) reasons — It was written as an obituary, used the sort of promotional language that one expects in an obituary, and could well have been a copyvio, although the claimed A7 speedy criterion was clearly invalid and should not have been used. In any case, as a distinguished professor of psychology it appears to me that she passes our academic notability standards, particularly WP:PROF#C5. If anyone wants to try again, with a more encyclopedic version, there are sources at [6] and [7]. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:07, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Tara McGowan AfD

Hi all! An AfD was opened a few hours ago for the Women in Red article Tara McGowan. With the major caveat that I originated the article, if you asked me yesterday I would seriously have thought this would be a total WP:SNOW -- it has 26 (!) more-or-less WP:RS, including several very strong in-depth WP:RSP, two full-length magazine profiles (which the New York Times even called "glowing profiles"), and on and on. If that doesn't pass WP:BASIC ... - Astrophobe (talk) 17:10, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Women bios on Wikipedia's social media accounts

Hello WP:WIR! I'm Ed, perhaps better known to some people here by my volunteer username The ed17. I'm here today to ask for suggestions of women's biographies for an upcoming themed week of organic posts on the @Wikipedia Facebook and Twitter accounts. Ideally, these articles would be of high quality and have a good 'hook' that will help catch people's attention, but I'm open to any and all proposals, including things you've written. Thank you in advance! Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 22:06, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Ed for giving us the opportunity to suggest articles for the social media. I'm really not at all clear about what you mean by "organic posts". As there are currently over 300,000 biographies of women, we could easily comply with any sphere of interest you care to name. It would also be good to know whether you are interested mainly in historical figures or living people. As for high quality articles, WikiProject Women in Green lists those which have recently been ranked as GA. Inter-Allied Women's Conference is a revealing historical article which has been upgraded to FA. Of those to which I have contributed myself, I would mention the ballerina Margot Fonteyn and the Mauritanian singer and politician Malouma. It would be useful if you could give us an idea of how many suggestions you need and perhaps further details of your social media project. You may be interested to know that thanks to Victuallers, Women in Red regularly contributes to Twitter (https://twitter.com/WikiWomenInRed) and many of our images are posted on Pinterest (see for example https://www.pinterest.com/wikiwomeninred/february-2020-editathons/). See also our Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/wikiwomeninred/. Hope this helps.--Ipigott (talk) 07:55, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Hey Ipigott! Thanks for these great suggestions and links. I'm planning between 14 and 16 posts, and I will add those articles to the potentials list! To answer your questions: 1) I'm interested in any high-quality articles regardless of time period, and by "organic" posts, I simply mean that these won't be paid ads (I'm sorry for using jargon). I'm definitely an avid follower of @wikiwomeninred on Twitter, and I'll respond to Roger below now. :-) Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 22:06, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ed, thanks for the post (and your contributions). We have a Woman of the Day (see top of this) and I/we'd be very interested in a themed week especially if we can influence more editors to help fix systemic bias in Wikipedia. How can we help? Happy to share our #wikiwomeninred Twitter account for a good cause. Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 10:07, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello Victuallers! Great to hear from ya. I'm looking for recommendations from project members of articles to post in the first week of March, which as you probably know will end with International Women's Day on 8 March. Do you have any particular favorite articles that you've posted to @wikiwomeninred over the years? :-) Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 22:06, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Well you don't need me to tell you about Marie Curie etc. The ones I think we should identify are those who we have written from scratch who might have been lost to history and still are a bit. The first is Nokutela Dube, she was there when the African National Congress was founded, she started a newspaper, but she was abandoned because she did not have children with John Dube. She is now honoured in South Africa but after she was featured on Wikipedias main page. My go-to woman usually is Kate Hudson who journeyed half way around the world to find a cure for leprosy but was destroyed by whispers about her lesbianism. The museum she founded refused to have her bequested portrait (its there now after! we wrote about her). Then there is Gladys West who arguably invented GPS... who may not have been noticed except for her wiki article, oh and you MUST include Clarice Phelps who is is the first African American to be involved with discovering an element but like Katie Bouman she was also cyber lynched. Katie was called out on line for having a wiki article based on her role in photographing a black hole. Vera Popova was the first woman chemist killed in the line of duty. Criticising my own list - there are too many anglophones. You should ask our sister projects - you could feature more non-anglophones. I have a Russian and a South African in my list, but the rest (too many) are UK/US. <rant>The narrative you must resist is claiming that the lack of women articles is caused by a lack of women editors. These two things are hugely important and it would be nice to equate them but its counter productive to both aims of "beating systemic bias" and "increasing wiki diversity" respectively.</rant> What I'd love you to mention is the people who really help us - that is of course our 100s editors in over 20 languages, and those who applaud the miniscule (but unrelenting!) progress we make each day on wiki and Social media.... AND those who understand open licensing of pictures and routinely release their pictures licenses. So seven "hidden" women, but why not also seven sister projects and seven bodies like NASA, UNCTAD, US/UK Gov and (this week!!) WIPO who openly license photographs. user:JessWade is always telling us that we should MEASURE good works to improve the representation of women. Can I suggest that we measure "new members of Women in Red" and new followers of our Twitter, Pinterest and Facebook accounts that week? ... Oh and Annie Kenney who was the working class suffragette leader and Mary Jane Clarke who was the first to die for women's suffrage... and ... and .... (must sleep now) Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 23:42, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Ed Erhart (WMF) ... and Deolinda Rodrigues Francisco de Almeida, nicknamed, "Mother of the Angolan Revolution", who corresponded with Martin Luther King Jr., co-founded the women's wing of the People's Movement for the Liberation of Angola, and for her efforts, was captured, tortured, dismembered alive, and executed. Also, Eunice Eloisae Gibbs Allyn of Ohio, who wanted to be a teacher but was dissuaded because her mother wanted her to "enter society", and who wanted to be a writer but had to hide behind a pen name because her brother didn't want a bluestocking in the family. Louisa Caroline Huggins Tuthill authored History of Architecture from the Earliest Times (1848), which was the first history of architecture to be published in the United States. Elleanor Eldridge was an African American/Native American entrepreneur and memoirist. Jennie Casseday was bedridden, but that didn't stop her from being a philanthropist, social reformer, school founder, and profuse letter writer. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:16, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Ed Erhart (WMF): Further to the above, I've just remembered that "Inter-Allied Women's Conference" is already scheduled for Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 8, 2020. With all these names, it might be worthwhile extending your posts over two weeks. In connection with Roger's comments above, the Denelezh Gender Gap stats show that for those born between 2000 and 2009, over 40% of the biographical Wikidata items are about women. As for hooks, you will find that as several of the articles mentioned have been on DYK, they have hooks on their talk pages. As for the others, background already seems to have been given above. If you want more from outside North America and Britain, you might consider Karen Blixen, the Danish author of Out of Africa, the young Dutch Jewish diarist Anne Frank, the Greek soprano Maria Callas, the Swiss explorer and writer Isabelle Eberhardt, or the world's first female prime minister, Sirimavo Bandaranaike from Sri Lanka. Please let us know is there's anything more we can do to help you along.--Ipigott (talk) 08:32, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Ed Erhart (WMF) A few more suggestions for you. The articles aren't long, but they represent people who are often left out of standard reference works.

Guadalupe Haertling (Honduran) and María de Baratta, both composers from an area with significantly lower representation on the English Wikipedia.

Asilia Guillén, a Nicaraguan folk artist.

Joanna Quiner, one of my personal favorites among my own articles. Chronologically, she was the second-oldest female sculptor in the United States (only Patience Wright was older), and yet she's missing from many histories of American art. (I studied art history, and took a class in 19th-century American art, and never heard of her until I was well out of college.) One of the best examples, to me, of what Wikipedia can do when it seeks to expand the historical canon.

Fanny Eckerlin and Ida Quaiatti, two Italian opera singers missing from standard reference books. I've written a bit more on why Eckerlin interests me here, and the same goes for Quaiatti.

These are the sorts of things I'd highlight. But then, maybe I'm a bit biased. :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:03, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Victuallers, Rosiestep, Ipigott, and Ser Amantio di Nicolao! These are some fantastic proposals, and by my very quick count, I've only heard of a few of them. I'm putting all of these into a list and will be reading through all of them before selecting the ones we'll post. The plan is to post at least two per day from 1–8 March, and Ipigott, I definitely think we can sync with the 8 March TFA. :-) Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 02:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

• Ed Erhart (WMF): Did anything come of this? If so, perhaps you can provide some links. It would be interesting to know who you chose and how you presented them.--Ipigott (talk) 16:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Hey there, Ipigott! Something did indeed come of it. I posted five of the suggestions above:
    • Clarice Phelps: Facebook, Twitter
    • Sirimavo Bandaranaike: Facebook, Twitter
    • Gladys West: Facebook, Twitter
    • Kate Marsden: Facebook, Twitter
    • Vera Yevstafievna Popova: Facebook, Twitter
  • I also ended up posting about Oonah Keogh, written by another WiR member, and a slew of other women. Inter-Allied Women's Conference will be going live tomorrow. Of the rest, it's probably easiest to view them on our Twitter page. Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 22:35, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

WikiGap Tanzanian women (Draft:Mercy Nelwas)

I heard from Eric Luth (WMSE) that some women's biographies were created at a m:WikiGap editathon in Tanzania, but none of the articles survived. The below list was provided by the editathon organizer with no links. I've added links, but maybe the articles were created in draft space (e.g. see example for Mercy Nelwas)? Questions or comments, please ping Eric as WikiGap is his project. P.S. This might be of interest to you, too, @Islahaddow and Anthere, as regarding m:Wiki Loves Women. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:23, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

• Mercy Nelwas / Draft:Mercy Nelwas
• Abella Bateyunga - see draft here
• Lilian Nabora - see Swahili article
• Sandra Mushi - Swahili
• Martha Nghambi - Globla Peace Tz
• Joyce Kiria - Swahili
• Geline Fuko
• Zuhura Yunus - Swahili
• Susan Mashibe
• Demere Kitunga - writer
• Vicensia Fuko - Swahili
• Subi Nukta
• Maida Waziri - Swahili
• Caroline Ndosi - Swahili
• Elsie Kansa
• Mary Rusimbi - Swahili
• Khadija Kopa - Swahili
• Irene Sanga - Swahili
• Ester Mwaikambo - Swahili - User:Dsp13 will create
• Fatma Alloo - IMDb
• Brenda Msangi - Swahili
• Monica Joseph
• Leila Sheikh - IMDb
• Hoyce Temu

See also Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Women Tanzania(2)/Orodha--Ipigott (talk) 11:17, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Many of these are on the Swahili wiki but most would not be considered notable by our English reviewers. The main problem is that most of the sources are in Swahili and are not easily recognizable as secondary sources. Perhaps with the help of Google translate (which works quite well for Swahili) some of them can be added, particularly those with sources in English. As far as I can see, only Martha Nghambi, Joyce Kiria and Geline Fuko were previously added and deleted for lack for secondary sources. Drafts have also been deleted.--Ipigott (talk) 12:17, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Ipigott: Thanks a lot. This is very helpful, Ipigott. Do you mean that they are not notable because of lack of secondary sources in English, or because lack of notability in spite of the existing sources? Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 14:01, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Eric Luth (WMSE): Both — but frequently because our reviewers cannot normally find the sources in Swahili and even if they do they cannot understand them. Those who use Google in Tanzania can see the Swahili sources clearly displayed among the most important items on the first page of results but those living in the English-speaking world do not normally see them at all unless they search in the Swahili language. This is a general problem for sources in all foreign languages, even Spanish, French and German, but it is particularly severe for the less common languages. It is something of a chicken and egg problem as notable figures who are not sufficiently well covered in English language sources are not acceptable on the English Wikipedia or in English-language publications, and they are not mentioned in English-language publications if they do not have a biography in the English Wikipedia. Even when organizations like the BBC point to the 100 most deserving women of the year, our reviewers frequently call for deletion as they cannot find good secondary sources on their Google searches. That said, many of those listed above are not yet sufficiently well established, even as demonstrated by the sources in Swahili, to reach the minimum criteria for basic notability on the EN wiki. As time permits, I'll try to take a closer look at them to see which of them can be "saved". Maybe you can take a more careful look too.--Ipigott (talk) 14:29, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

As a footnote, you actually experience the same phenomenon when you make Google searches in Swedish. You see lots of Swedish-language results which would not normally turn up in English-language searches. As my wife is Danish, I spend quite a lot of my Wikipedia time writing about Danes, especially Danish women. For this I have two versions of Google, the Danish and the English. That helps quite a bit. Here in Luxembourg, I can also differentiate between the Luxembourg Google and the international English Google. Someone should do a doctorate thesis on all this!--Ipigott (talk) 14:37, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

This is very helpful, Ipigott! I will spend some time looking through the different pages and sites you provided. The local organizers felt, I think, a bit discouraged, not because of the deletions in themselves, but because they didn't understand why or what they did wrong. So this feedback is extremely helpful. I can read some (very basic) swahili, so I will try to explore the sources and make some kind of judgment myself. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 16:38, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Re "someone should do a doctorate thesis on all this", Mark Graham at the Oxford Internet Institute has pursued this kind of question with various collaborators: see e.g. this paper Dsp13 (talk) 18:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Dsp13: A very interesting analysis but it unfortunately fails to cover searches in languages other than English in any detail. The cases we are examining here, namely Google searches in Tanzania in Swahili on the local default version of Google for information about people from Tanzania as compared to searches in English on the default U.S. version on the same names is not taken into consideration. From my own experience, I can confirm that very different sets of results can be expected. To some extent, it may be possible to "copy" the Tanzanian Swahili search engine for users in the United States but I am not at all sure it would work as well as in Tanzania on displaying links to Swahili-language resources. As Wikimedia is currently keen on expanding the encyclopaedia to Africa and Asia, it might well be worthwhile examining all this in more detail.--Ipigott (talk) 20:49, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry if the link I found wasn't absolutely pertinent - I didn't reread it. That group has sometimes considered the effect of search language (e.g. Arabic vs Hebrew local search results in Jerusalem), but there is clearly more than one factor which can be varied here. I absolutely agree with everything you say: Google is often effectively an invisible filter. It can reinforce existing geographical and linguistic power imbalances without people being aware that this is happening. Dsp13 (talk) 11:50, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't think we should give into this that the sources of articles on enwiki need to be in English. There is no such rule, no matter what the people deleting articles say about it. This is one reason that I perversely refuse to use English sources if the information can be sourced in any other language. Usually if enough of them (>20) are added to a single article, they leave the article alone. We should also take it upon ourselves to clearly state in each deletion discussion that the results Google gives depends on the language and country you're searching in to drive that point home. -Yupik (talk) 22:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I agree, that is absolutely not correct. I have quite a few GA/FA and FLs that are primarily sourced by Spanish language sources and it has never been a problem. Google translate will help anyone read a source. MPJ-DK (talk) 22:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, foreign language sources are permitted on en.wiki. Many of us do translations from other language wikis to en.wiki and we use the foreign language sources (after we review them). See: Wikipedia:Reliable sources and undue weight#... but it's not perfect. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I've also used numerous non-English-language sources over the years in my editing career. The notion that otherwise should be the case is...foolish, at best, to say the least. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 03:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

A bit sadly, I now recommend to create the biographies in the local language only + on wikidata. This is easier for the writers, less disheartening when the work is deleted and... getting ready for the time it will be accepted in English (or in French, same issue) with having relevant structured data available for immediate use. With regards to what Ipigott says... I confirm that I use 3 browsers on purpose (safari default, firefox and chrome) and set up different parameters on each (language and geographical area of focus) to expand my chance to see info. Anthere (talk)

Anthere: That is indeed rather a sad conclusion. Unfortunately, the records on Wikidata for articles written in the African languages are often skeletal and do not offer much help to those of us keen to write biographies in English. I was wondering whether you and your colleagues could bring to our attention the names of those who have a fair chance of survival in English or French if their biographies are created by more experienced editors. There is an urgent need to bring many of these inspiring women to the attention of the western world. We could make this part of Women in Red's next focus on black women or on the countries of Africa. Perhaps we could also work together on crowd-sourced redlists.--Ipigott (talk) 07:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, good idea. Right now, I am deep into Wiki Loves Africa and WikiChallenge. But asap my head gets out of the water... I will be on it. I'll share something on this page as well next week :) Secret for now. Anthere (talk)

question about a deleted article

Hi WiR, I recall that someone connected to this project has the ability to bring back articles that have been part of a batch delete. Dante6 was operating as a sockpuppet and consequently all articles they authored were deleted. The article on surrealist artist Fanny Brennan was deleted in this batch. I can see the old article on wikiwand and it doesn't look like a copyright violation. If someone has the time and inclination to reverse the deleted article it would save some time. I may be mis-remembering the thread (it might have been that these articles can NOT be resurrected). Thanks for any assistance. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:31, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Here you go: Fanny Brennan. I took the Wikiwand text, which (let's hope) is a copy of the deleted article. I found a few more sources. My take is that she was more of a socialite than a serious painter, so notabiliity is there but not terrifically strong. I say that as there is scant coverage of her art career, but there are obituaries in the NY Times, Washington Post and LA Times. Also, if you are hanging out with Picasso, Giacometti, F. Scott Fitzgerald and Tristan Tzara in Paris, you have got at least some connections.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:23, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ThatMontrealIP! I will add a link to her tiny paintings to the article. Quite nice IMO. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:02, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

WomenArtistUpdates, is there a list somewhere of the deleted Dante6 articles? If other notable women's articles were deleted, we might want to recreate them, too. Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

You mean Dante8, I think. But in this case the deleted version was created by JaneSwifty. Dante8's deleted contributions include Emily Aviva Kapor, Cerys Cooksammy-Parnell, Margaret Breckinridge, Michal Rubin, Varsha Vinod, Urmi Basu, and Usha Narayane. JaneSwifty's include Josephine Gordon Stuart, Takahashi Mizuko, Mary Elizabeth Nottingham Day, Maud Crofts, Mary Pickup, Eveline MacLaren, Lolita Roy, Madeline Wookey, Thereza Grisólia Tang, Marthe Simard, María Asunción Sandoval de Zarco, Olga Petit, Yoshiko Mibuchi, Ai Kume, Masako Nakata, Mabel Malherbe, Anna Louise James, Ekaterina Fleischitz, Aida-Cruz Del Rosario, Ram Phrommobon Bunyaprasop, Caterina Cybo, Naima Ilyas al-Ayyubi, Marai Larasi, Calina Lawrence, Jeanetta Reese , Crispian Jago, Rita Jensen, Anna Lisa Jermen, Marie "Blanche" Wittmann, Linda Burnham, Vivian Rothstein, Mary Jean Collins, Carol Giardina, Marilyn Salzman Webb, Dewa Agung Isteri, Beata Bladh, Valpuri Urpiainen, Constance Forsyth, Freda Farrell Waldon, Kalthouma Nguembang, Fatimé Dordji, Menen Liben Amede, Nihal Naj Ali Al-Awlaqi, Rodjaraeg Wattanapanit, Elizabeth Kayissan Pognon, Grace Kodindo, Semane Setlhoko Khama, Elizabeth Pulane Moremi, Debra Baptist-Estrada, Sophia Báthory, Erika Mitterer, Christine Messiant, Jane Vialle, Zinaida Lazda, Marie-Louise Sibazuri, Lina Bögli, Susan Armitage, Sy Koumbo Singa Gali, Isaura Gomes, Embet Ilen, Grace Kodindo, Françoise Foning, Semane Setlhoko Khama, Fatimé Dordji, Cicely Nott, Lucia Olofintytär, Ernestine Gwet Bell, Henriette Schrader-Breymann, Jenny Hyslop, Natalya Durova, Adélaïde de la Briche, Marguerite Brésil, Elizabeth Hopkins, Else Strantz, Francisca Pizarro Yupanqui, Eunice Dennie Burr, Elizabeth Garlick, Enid Joske, Fifi Hawthorne, May Howlett, Irene Melville Drummond, Rose Muir, Beatrice Clugston, Elizabeth Hopkins, Emma Octavia Lundberg, Mary Childs Nerney, Virginia Houston, Karolina Juszczykowska, Zekira Besrević, Roza Sober-Dragoje, Wilhelmina Seegmiller, Olga Stastny, Clara Raven, Fela Perelman, Constance Forsyth, and Faya Ora Rose Touré. Another article Carol Ann Drazba is currently under AfD. I haven't looked at the actual deleted content to see how relevant or notable they are and I would caution against looking for and copying old versions as there were apparently copyvio issues with them. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:42, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Rosiestep, Just to close the loop from your question to me, I noticed the missing article on Fanny Brennan because she was included in the surrealist template and her name kept showing up as a red link as I was working on an article about Atelier 17. I don't have access to a list of all the deleted articles. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 02:47, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, @WomenArtistUpdates and David Eppstein. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:54, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

A "first" for women in the British Army

Take a look at this - McKeever, Vicky (19 February 2020). "British officer becomes first woman to pass grueling entry test for elite Army unit". CNBC. Retrieved 21 February 2020. - There are similar articles in other media too. It might be enough for at least a stub. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:31, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Margaret Bonds

I've just gotten the chance to join a local chorus in a performance of the Credo by Margaret Bonds (likely the first anywhere since its premiere in 1972), and I thought I'd take the opportunity to revisit her article, which was one of the first longer-form articles I wrote for this site, way back when. (Not sure I'll be able to, given the number of other things on my plate.) The article itself is in decent shape, but could stand some reorganization and expanding...and the referencing especially needs some work. Anyone else fancy taking a look and seeing what can be done? I think the article might be workable up to GA status, at least, if not more.

(If you're in the DC area and would like more information about the performance, please shoot me an e-mail; I'd be happy to provide details. As to how I got involved in the Bonds resurrection project, that's a very interesting story, but one which is much too long for these shores. I'd be happy to share it sometime, though. :-)) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:37, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Ser Amantio di Nicolao: Interesting article. Although it goes right back to 2006, you still remain the dominant contributor. If you want to bring it up to GA ranking, the first thing to do is to make sure each paragraph is backed by adequate inline referencing. That was not considered so important at the time but it is now. As we are dealing with black women this month, it would be a great opportunity for you to refresh your memory and try to be more specific on the sourcing. Maybe we can find other enthusiasts to work on improvements. If you really want to collaborate on this, we could see what we can do together over the next week or so. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 21:03, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Ipigott: This week is right out for me, I'm afraid - I'm shooting to have at least some improvements to the article made by April 25, which is the date of the concert. I'll have to dive back into New Grove in a week or two and refresh my memory. There's been a lot of recent scholarship on her as well, thanks to the donation and archiving of her papers. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 22:27, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Ipigott:,@Ser Amantio di Nicolao: I put a reference for each of the existing sentences. I did not change the text, but I would suggest to revise the Fuller's book, some parts are quite similar and the Fuller's book is a 1994 copyright. Hope this will be a good start for an happy editing for someone else without bothering with boring stuff. Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:33, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Elisa.rolle: Thanks very much for the advice. I have a copy of Fuller; I'll take a look when I have a moment. Thanks also for the referencing; it'll give me a chance to fill some things out. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 22:40, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Guyanese Girls Rock

I was doing a little bit of searching for information about classical music in Guyana and came across this page: https://guyanesegirlsrock.com/women-history-valerie-rodway-patriotic-classical-music-composer/. The blog from which it comes looks like it has some potential, although there's a lot of dross to sort through; I think many of the people featured wouldn't pass muster at the notability guidelines. Still, some would, and it's nice to have some kind of jumping-off point for Guyana - it's easily one of the more under-covered nations out there, as far as I can tell. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Another interesting news item

• "Everything’s on Wikipedia. Misinformation, too. But Wiki says its editing process quickly shuts that down." by Molly Wood from Marketplace makes interesting reading with its allusions to the gender gap and how bots are creating millions of Wikipedia articles in various languages.--Ipigott (talk) 08:25, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Possibly off-topic, but the first thing I thought was "why is the editing interface and referencing process so 1980s if they are taking in $120 million a year in donations"? It is indeed a strange situation, like a well-funded corporation that manufactures its products using an unpaid volunteer army.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:39, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Anna Laverty

Hi! I’m trying to write my first Wikipedia article on a music producer called Anna Laverty. I was inspired to do it by reading about Women in Red in the news. Laverty has been active for about 10 years, has won an industry award, and has worked on some high profile and successful recordings. However, I haven’t been able to establish notability. Can someone please have a look at it? Corey AppleCorey (talk) 20:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@AppleCorey: The subject passes WP:GNG based on refs such as 7, 8 & 11. I've promoted the article to mainspace at Anna Laverty; with luck the deletionists will leave it alone, but we'll see. Thanks for writing it; very welcome. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

One strategy you may find useful User:AppleCorey is to include the best refs at the beginning of an entry. You can always duplicate a ref to include it in the lead even if it already used further down by using the ref name=xyz format and the ref name=xyz/ enclosed in great than less than signs.. I hope that makes some sense. Good luck. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:38, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps. I took the view that the subject was not particularly notable for a specific thing, so much as for her general work; and that she merited an article based on GNG - she has press coverage - rather than any more specific claim. In such cases it can be hard to make notability stand out in the body of the article; if reviewers do not diligently check the refs they may, at AfC, reject it; and in mainspace, may AfD it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks heaps for the help. I think that’s a good tip about the references. I think the subject is notable because of the combination of her recordings with famous artists, her TV appearances, awards, and community work. Maybe I could have made that clearer in the lede AppleCorey (talk) 23:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Help? (Draft:Nitta-Jo, etc.)

I would be happy to have help with:

• Draft:Nitta-Jo
• Draft:Australian Women in Music Awards (subject brought to my attention by User:AppleCorey's article above, which I think is notable and resubmitted).
• Draft:Jane Jennings

FloridaArmy (talk) 21:33, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I added a few sources to Nitta-Jo, who appears to be very notable. There is good coverage in French, but I can't see the full text in Google Books to extract the content. I did manage to get her birth date out of a snippet in Google Books.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@FloridaArmy: I promoted the first of those, Nitta-Jo thanks to your work and ThatMontrealIP's refs. The article could do with better categories. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:41, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I also promoted Australian Women in Music Awards. For general reference - I'm generally pretty happy to look at any decent-quality drafts if people here want me to look at them so they don't languish in the queue with all the rubbish. Being able to promote content we should have without having to dig through dreck is always a pleasure. The Drover's Wife (talk) 23:56, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@FloridaArmy: - can you tell us anything else about Jane Jennings? That she was on the cover of some sheet music and someone once said something a bit patronising about her makes her sound non-notable even despite her lengthy filmography. Were any of those roles lead roles? Is there anything about them? I've previously had words with that reviewer for declining notable stuff but this one does need some expansion/further context before it goes live. The Drover's Wife (talk) 23:59, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

As I'm sure you know, many online sources only offer snippet views. She was an older supporting actress during the silent fil era. The notability criteria for actors is:

"Actors, voice actors, comedians, opinion makers, models, and celebrities:

Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.

Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment

I bolded the key bits. She meets two of three criteria. Note that criteria 3 is "or". And she was defi itrly prolific. Wikioedia has poor coverage of early films and she's already noted in the casts of more than 20. FloridaArmy (talk) 00:07, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

She arguably meets "prolific". There's no evidence in the article, one way or another, as to whether her roles were significant, which is the q. I think TDW was asking. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:15, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Yep. It would help a lot if we could say anything more about her. We're not saying this stuff to be critical, we're giving feedback because we like your work and want to see these articles approved. The Drover's Wife (talk) 00:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• This necrology source may habe some info. I cam only see a preview but it gives at least om source for her, a casting notice.entry.from 1925. FloridaArmy (talk) 00:37, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Here is a one page 1922 article on her: Jane Jennings: Heiress. I don't know if Pantomine is a tabloid. StrayBolt (talk) 02:46, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Jane Jennings: I might suggest asking Lugnuts for advice, as he has extensive experience working with WP:FILM. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 03:16, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Looks like the article has been moved from draft to mainspace. Ping me if you need any more help with this. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:30, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Endocrinology professor with notability tag

Hi, would anyone like to take a look at Jerilynn Prior and assess whether she is notable, and either remove the notability tag or nominate the article for deletion as you see fit? Dr. Prior is a full professor whose specialty is the menstrual cycle and female endocrinology. Her official bio is here. She is a friend of mine so I can't assess her notability myself. Cheers, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 22:52, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I've removed the tag. Opinions will vary as to whether she meets WP:GNG or WP:NACADEMIC. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I do wonder, en passant, whether the Notability tag - especially if left on an article for years - is consonant with BLP. Put another way, if an article starts "This person may not be notable enough for Wikipedia", that's us passing a not very positive judgement on the person. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:48, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

That's an excellent point, and thanks for removing the tag. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 23:16, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Siobhán McHugh

Thoughts on this draft? Not mine.. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:50, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Duly promoted. Good find. (Needs cats) --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:54, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Julie Carpenter

This got declined, for what seems spurious reasons. I don't have time to review, but someone else here might. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:40, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

It is a slightly annoying article, and I can see why it was declined. The subject is certainly notable (e.g. a Forbes interview) but pretty much none of the well-enough written assertions made about the subject have inline refs, so whilst it's all believable stuff we're left wondering from whence it sprung. And then, all that said, WP:MINREF - the reason given for the decline - lists "statements likely to be challenged" and "contentious material", none of which seem to figure in this article; and so on the face of it, whilst it is very regrettable that there are not more inline citations, the article does not seem to fail MINREF. On the basis of notability, and because the reason for declining seems plain wrong, I'll promote this. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:28, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Lots of A+F editathons in March

I see that almost 30 physical editathons around the world have already been announced on Category:Wikipedia meetups in March 2020 in connection with Women's History Month. But many, many more are posted on the internet, including: Brad Graduate Center, Belkin Gallery, National Museum of Women in the Arts, ´West Kowloon, Hammer Museum, Asia Art Archive, Nanaimo Museum, Wexner Center, Live Art Development Agency, to name just a few. For a more comprehensive listing, see Art+Feminism Events. I think it goes without saying that members of Women in Red would be happy to help new contributors as far as time permits. Our resources, e.g. red links, meetup pages for March, and resources are there for all to use. In due couse, we hope to receive reports of editathons, especially lists of new participants and new and improved articles.--Ipigott (talk) 08:22, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Ipigott You should be able to find those reports here: https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/campaigns/artfeminism_2020/programs Vexations (talk) 13:34, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Vexations: Thanks for the link. It's possible to get a good general overview from these lists but it is far more useful to receive reports which comment on the difficulties encountered, the number of new participants who continue to edit and the number of draft articles which were either never added to mainspace or which were deleted. I was hoping the Swedes could put together something along these lines, preferably in a wiki format with standard wikilinks.--Ipigott (talk) 16:46, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to offer some words of clarification as I'm contact through other channels with the lead organizers (employees) for these 2 events.

A+F, a Wikimedia User Group and a Women's History Month initiative, focuses on in-person meetups (mostly in March and April) where participants (mostly new editors) improve (not create) articles. Women in Red has historically been (and is again in 2020) the "online node" for A+F events, providing a engagement opportunity for those who want to participate in A+F but can't get to an A+F event, and for those editors who participated in an A+F in-person event who want to continue editing once their in-person event is over. See also: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red#Art+Feminism 2020 San Diego edit-a-thon

WikiGap is a Wikimedia Sweden initiative; it's a collaboration between WMSV and the Swedish Ministry of Foreign Affairs. WikiGap in-person events are held throughout the year (many are in March) at Swedish embassies around the world. The events focus on content (new and improved articles) and participatory gender gap (mostly attended by new editors). When new articles are created on en-wiki by new editors, deletion can be an issue; see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red#WikiGap Tanzanian women. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

All around Australia on the weekend of 7-8 March (for International Women's Day) we're in partnership with the National Gallery of Australia and holding edit-a-thons in most States under the Know My Name banner. Most of the Sydney artists on the list are of living people. Hopefully the "Has works in National Gallery of Australia collection" will get them over the line. Oronsay (talk) 19:55, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Deleted articles on black African women

As we still have a few days to work on black women, it might be worthwhile to try to cover some of those whose articles have recently been deleted. I have already covered the prolific Burundian writer and women's rights activist Marie-Louise Sibazuri and the Cape Verdean politician Isaura Gomes. But as there are quite a few more, I thought I would mention them here in the hope that others might pick them up.

• Kalthouma Nguembang, Chadian politician [8]
• Fatimé Dordji, Chadian journalist [9]
• Menen Liben Amede, Ethiopian empress
• Nihal Naj Ali Al-Awlaqi, Yemeni minister [10]
• Semane Setlhoko Khama, queen in former Botswana [11] I'll work on this one Ipigott SusunW (talk) 14:30, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• Sy Koumbo Singa Gali, Chadian journalist and human rights activst [12]
• Embet Ilen, influential Eritrean and nun [13]

That should do for now.--Ipigott (talk) 13:42, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Alerting Shanluan who may may wish to provide additional deleted or draft articles that need attention. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:48, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

@The Anome: If you're interested, these Chad women redlinks are part of the Dictionary of African Biography. I know you have a redlist on some of the women featured there. That's the reason why I made Joyce Mpanga ;) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Just covered Grace Kodindo.--Ipigott (talk) 09:13, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Just added a Listeria list for the Dictionary: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/DAfB. Gamaliel (talk) 18:03, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

March 25 ZOOM edit-a-thon for 1000+ Women in Religion Wikipedia Project

In conjunction with the Parliament of the World's Religions, WikiProject 1000 Women in Religion will be facilitating a ZOOM-based editathon to support Women's History Month.

• Date: 25 March 2020
• Time: 12-3pm, CDT
• Meetup page: [here]
• Questions? Please ping Dzingle1

The event's lead organizer, user:Dzingle1, is hoping experienced editors might join one of the "virtual editathon tables". I'll be saying a few introductory words at the start of the editathon and I hope that some of you might join, too, even for a short duration. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:07, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

They are also advertising a physical editathon in New York on March 12: Wikipedia:Meetup/New York City/1000 Women in Religion 2020.--Ipigott (talk) 07:46, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

You can go to the Parliament of World Religions event description and registration for additional information: here --Dzingle1 (talk) 16:21, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Elizabeth A. Muller

This draft that needs a lot of work but also has some interesting aspects. I haven't yet investigated her notability but at the least might be one to watch. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:50, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

She's noted prominently in the Richard A. Muller article and I see they wrote a book together. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:54, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Maybe. Right now I think we're seeing a COI edit. The user's other article, Deep Horizontal Drillhole Disposal appears to be an advertisment for a controversial technology. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the COI assessment and have left an inquest on the concerned editor's talk page. I looked over some of their work, and unfortunately it seems to be riddled with WP:OR and content I would consider to be native advertising, so any editor involved in a cleanup should keep an eye out. SamHolt6 (talk) 01:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I left a note at Talk:Horizontal drillhole disposal. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:41, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Delaram Kahrobaei

This draft for the computer scientist Draft:Delaram Kahrobaei was mentioned at the Teahouse. It lacks secondary sourcing, and I could not find any. I am wondering if WP:PROF applies. If anyone on these board can assess that would be terrific.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I was able to find this to help a little: [14] Silverseren^C 17:04, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Sigh. This draft turned out to be a paid editing job, from Upwork. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:10, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

COI warning duly left on the user's talk page. Ho hum. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:22, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I think she might be borderline notable under WP:PROF. I asked David Eppstein to assess it. The COI thing is just a bummer. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Number of library holdings

A few of us, including @Gamaliel and Merrilee, and others, have been talking about "Number of library holdings" as a possible area of interest for Women in Red in the context of an additional column on a WiR Wikidata redlist. Here's an example of what that column would look like: User:Gamaliel/worldcattest. I've been bold and added the column to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Activists redlist but because there are >3,000 names on this list, I can't get it to automatically update, so we'll have to wait, maybe overnight, for that to happen. Once the column does show up, let's discuss (pinging our Librarian-in-Residence, Megalibrarygirl). For example, maybe it would benefit some Wikidata redlists, e.g. writers, academics, but not others. In any case, we should be aware that someone would have to add the "WorldCat Identities ID" and the quantity (number of library holdings) into each item, e.g. in order to populate the new column on the Wikidata redlist. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:22, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Rosiestep that is awesome, looks like it's loaded now! I didn't realize that wikidata had brought in number of library holdings from worldcat. I have a bias towards writers, and it's potentially fantastic for that. At the moment it exposes some bad data, e.g. a French politician https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3104182 linking to the Worldcat page for Strabo, but that's a problem it's good to have visibility on. Dsp13 (talk) 20:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I love this, Rosiestep! I think there's a way to force the update. Maybe Tagishsimon know how to do that. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I've tweaked the report SPARQL a little (diff), but Listeria doesn't seem happy tonight so anticipate no update in the short-term. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:25, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Tagishsimon; your tweak made the update happen! Glad you like the idea, @Dsp13 and Megalibrarygirl! Some clarifications regarding how this was done, e.g. nothing very automatic about it.

1. An OCLC librarian did the research in WorldCat regarding every woman named on the Women in Red Activist Wikidata redlist.
2. They put the info they found (the woman's Worldcat Authority ID and the number of library holdings for each woman) into a google spreadsheet.
3. Another editor imported the info from the google spreadsheet into each woman's Wikidata item using OpenRefine.

Indeed, a lot of work. But, if we decide that this information is valuable to us, someone can work on automating the process. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Editor #3 here. Glad to see such a positive reception for our experiment. Like Rosie said, I imagine someone can automate this eventually. I'm curious if we can put this to use, if people will want to target articles based on this metric, or will want to use the WorldCat Identities page to find sources. Gamaliel (talk) 23:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@Gamaliel: 'Quantity' as a pq: for an ID is a bit ambiguous ... possibly needs a unit? --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:15, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Tagishsimon: Agreed, it's not perfect. We just threw it together yesterday, so we're very open to ideas on how to improve it. Gamaliel (talk) 02:10, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Gamaliel: I guess an item "library holdings" which is a subclass of unit of measure might work as the unit? In general, the use of qualifiers to represent info found in IDs is IMO an excellent idea. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:34, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Tagishsimon: Or maybe just "volumes"? Gamaliel (talk) 13:34, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Spoke too soon. Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Activists is now updated. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

First fruit: Nina Gourfinkel. Dsp13 (talk) 10:33, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Excellent work, Rosiestep and your OCLC collaborators. This is certainly an interesting development, clearly highlighting many of those who deserve biographies. We should nevertheless be careful. Worldcat is very good at listing library holdings in the countries of the western world but I have noticed serious gaps in its coverage of writers in other languages, especially those in the "poorer" African and Asian countries. We need to be careful that we do no skew our creation of biographies into developing even more attention to figures who are already well known to western culture to the detriment of those elsewhere. In the list of activists, a search on "writers" shows that there are many with zero library holdings, including nearly all of those from developing countries. That said, as the vast majority of new articles on Wikipedia continue to target people from the leading countries of the English-speaking world, it's certainly a very useful additional item to have on pertinent redlists.--Ipigott (talk) 08:38, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

I agree that measures can easily bake in implicit judgments about geographical focus. I don't know if Worldcat is better or worse than other easily available 'popularity' measures in this regard. Perhaps 'number of libraries' or 'number of languages' rather than 'number of holdings' would encourage global reach, rather than concentration in a single rich country. But that wouldn't necessarily help make the 'periphery' more visible.Dsp13 (talk) 10:33, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

No question WorldCat has some serious gaps. I don't think anyone's suggesting we use it as a sole metric, just one in our general toolbox. I should also note that a "zero" in that list does not necessarily mean they have no holdings in WorldCat, in most cases it means that the holdings number from WorldCat has yet to be added to Wikidata. We're inventing this process as we go along, it will get better. Gamaliel (talk) 13:34, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, there has certainly been tremendous progress in recent years. When I was involved in all this back in the 1990s, OCLC was doing all the work. Now access has been opened up to libraries and other sources, including Wikimedia/Wikidata. Nevertheless, these statistics reflect the strong language bias, not to mention the library bias which is certainly even worse for the third world. If you search for libraries in African countries, there are very few public libraries where you could expect to find novels and popular literature. For most countries, only academic libraries are listed. See, for example, Rwanda, where there are six. Surprisingly, for Burundi there are none at all.--Ipigott (talk) 15:16, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Back in 2014, after establishing WP:WikiProject Women writers, a few of us, including @Ser Amantio di Nicolao and Dr. Blofeld, me, and others created categories such as "(Foo country) women novelists". When we discovered that there were -0- articles in that category, e.g. all the novelists' articles for that country were men's biographies, we focused our attention on creating women novelist biographies for that country to populate the category. While we mainly did so because we enjoy filling gaps, some of this was also driven by academics who wrote in various channels saying, "I like what you're doing; don't stop.". I think this new column could have that same affect, e.g. editors might want to specifically create articles on women who have few/no works in libraries vs. women who are well-represented in libraries. Once we have a better grasp on this, perhaps a few months down the road, we might decide to do an event focusing on under-represented women in libraries, e.g. women with <500 library holdings, or something like that. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:56, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

That would be an excellent idea. Over the past couple of years, I have written articles on quite a few women writers, historians, journalists, etc., from the third world, some of whom have been quite productive in their own languages. Even through I have added authority control to their biographies, quite frequently nothing comes up. I'm not very good at adding items to Wikidata but perhaps we could all work together on filling the gaps and encouraging librarians to report on their holdings of books in the local languages. I also look forward to the day when the number of books in Luxembourgish will appear in the OCLC statistics.--Ipigott (talk) 22:14, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Florence Anderson

I am quite surprised at how little information there is about Florence Anderson! Can anyone help here? - Chris.sherlock (talk) 17:04, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

DYKs for Women's History Month

I have been reminded by Yoninah that we should be including more biographies of women on DYK in connection with Women's History Month and International Women's Day on 8 March. Last year 84 appeared on DYK. Maybe we can make it 100 in March 2020.--Ipigott (talk) 07:39, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

If someone would nominate the new The Suffragette Handkerchief, that would be great. (Sadly I loathe & detest the DYK process & will have nothing to do with it.) --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:56, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

"Balancing arguments - Gender and the #Wikimedia projects"

This article, which mentions Women in Red, may interest some of you: "Balancing arguments - Gender and the #Wikimedia projects" (posted by GerardM on 27 Feb 2020). --Rosiestep (talk) 15:49, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

To the extent we can understand what he's talking about ("One more fine lady makes a statistical difference") he's railing against an argument that the gender property in Wikidata /must/ be supported by a source. Whilst Wikidata prefers sources for all of its data, no-one I've seen has suggested gender refs should be mandatory nor that refless gender statements should be deleted. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:43, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

@Tagishsimon: there is actually an open proposal concerning that very matter: d:Property talk:P21#Constraints on citation – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:15, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

I see the report of the addition of a constraint, yes. Nothing much more. But it's good to know what set him off; thx. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:20, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

"The Incredible Invisible Woman"

There's a great article by Megalibrarygirl in today's The Signpost entitled "The Incredible Invisible Woman". --Rosiestep (talk) 20:28, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Excellent article and a great incentive for participation in Women's History Month.--Ipigott (talk) 08:37, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK nom of a new aviation bio

Adding nom template here per suggestion above to get more: Kingsif (talk) 01:34, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

"Wikipedia Lacks Profiles Of Women. These College Students Are Changing That"

Cincinnati Public Radio mentions us in a new article, "Wikipedia Lacks Profiles Of Women. These College Students Are Changing That".--Rosiestep (talk) 21:36, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Jerilyn Gillenwater (QuakerSquirrel) and her friends at Earlham College have certainly been making some fine contributions. Her article on Joanne Berger-Sweeney looks like a good candidate for GA.--Ipigott (talk) 08:48, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

"20 women in gaming you should know"

This came across my Facebook feed earlier this evening. Looks like there may be fodder for some investigation, though I can't be certain as gaming isn't my field. Still, I offer it up for anyone who'd like to take a look. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 06:44, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Most of that list seem marginal at best for our purposes (things like senior but not notable-senior figures in various companies). There are a couple of people who we might be able to scrape ones together on. The Drover's Wife (talk) 09:44, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

I think you might be a little too demanding, The Drover's Wife. After all, we already have reasonable biographies on about half of them (see Category:Women video game designers and Category:Women video game developers) and there are snippets in this article which offer guidance. Initial checks turn up quite a few secondary sources. I might have a go at one or two of them, just to see what happens.--Ipigott (talk) 11:01, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Certainly pleased to be wrong about that one then. The Drover's Wife (talk) 11:06, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Francophone?

Any francophones here who would like to help with translation of the sources, especially the pdfs and any in the bibliography that have never been translated into English, at Eugenie Brazier at fr.wikipedia so I can improve Eugenie Brazier? I wanted to get it to GA, and Kudpung had offered to help, but he's retiring. I can read a little French, enough to improve a machine translation, but there's no way I can read a pdf or book. --valereee (talk) 20:07, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Could you please share links to the specific sources you would like translated? Looking at the notes et références section I don't see any long PDFs or links to the relevant sections of the books. I'd be happy to translate a section of a book (maybe a small section of the Mesplède book if a preview is available online), but I'm having trouble figuring out what manageable tasks there are that would be useful for you. - Astrophobe (talk) 22:13, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

I think that not one of the books in the bibliography has a free preview on amazon or google books :( - Astrophobe (talk) 22:19, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Astrophobe, ugh, that sucks about the books, and the pdf is a bad link, and the archive doesn't have it either, and the original source of the pdf returns nothing by that title. Good grief. Well, thank you anyway! --valereee (talk) 15:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: rats, I was hoping you'd have another source. If you do find one (or ever need French or Portuguese translated for another article), please feel free to ping me, here or on my talk page! - Astrophobe (talk) 19:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll keep looking! :) --valereee (talk) 19:34, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I added this article, but only to confirm the already decent sourcing.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:12, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

• @Valereee: Despite the difficulty of finding some of the sources used in the French version, the article's coming along very well and it looks to me like a suitable candidate for GA. First you need to rewrite and expand the lead, removing the references and including only items that are mentioned and sourced in the body of the article. But as you've already brought Marjorie Paxson to GA, you certainly know what's needed. Let me know if ever you need assistance with French or other European languages.--Ipigott (talk) 08:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia and WiR in the media

We get a mention here Meet the Irishwoman writing one Wikipedia article a day for 2020 with Smirkybec. ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 14:23, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Very cool! SusunW (talk) 19:58, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm in awe of Smirkybec's goal: an article a day in 2020! We'll need to find another barnstar, Victuallers. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:17, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

She's been doing consistently good work for years and has now created over 300 articles, most of them biographies of Irish women. It looks to me as if she's just the kind of role model who should be covered in Signpost.--Ipigott (talk) 09:09, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

You're all very kind - Antiqueight is doing amazing work too, hoping to catch up on her 400 500 biographies eventually! Smirkybec (talk) 09:52, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Smirkybec -I too have the goal of 365 for the year, hmm, leap year - I guess that's 366. I have 86 for the year to date to give me a little leeway on holidays and the like later. But Smirkybec is TOTALLY the kind of role model for Signpost. I have no hope of catching up to my heroes like SusunW, Ipigott or Rosiestep but with a little effort I might just stay ahead of Smirkybec. I'm not sure I'd be doing any of this if not for all of you though. WiR and Wikimedia Ireland <evil grin> ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 12:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

It totally takes a village. I can't imagine doing one for every day of the year. *That* is impressive! It sometimes takes me a whole day just to pull together sources to see if I can write an article. LOL Often that entails asking Rosie or Sue or the reference exchange to help me find sources I can't access. Then I have to write it and totally rely on Ian to fix my errors and a multitude of gnomes to add categories and links I missed and help me fix technical stuff that I have no clue how to do. I *know* I wouldn't be doing this if it weren't for all the people here who are always willing to jump in and help. SusunW (talk) 14:26, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

<3 Many of mine deserve MUCH more research than I give to them. Some, like the recent ATA pilots, are short but the research I have access to is the same across all of them. So I can do several for the effort of little more than one. And none of mine have the same level of detail that you get in some of yours. But, I thought about this for a while. Some of these women have been missing a long time. And people looking up information assume that they don't exist if they aren't here. So I'm focused (right now) on getting them UP. I may have to stop going for article creation and go back and see what detail I can add. But I know that there are people who don't like to create articles and I try to get them to backfill if they know details. I hugely rely on the gnomes. I used to be one. ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 14:33, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm like you Antiqueight, don't dive too deep, but if I can start an article with the most easily accessible references it is better than no article at all and leaves room for other editors to flesh it out. I did set myself the task of harder biographies, with women from early badminton in Ireland having found them on the WiR Wikidata lists, but it might be too hard! The ones I manage might be stubs like A. M. Head. Still better than nothing? Smirkybec (talk) 15:03, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Which is why we all do what we can do and it's all good. I'm way too OCD to write stubs. I've tried it, but then I am like, "oh, but what about this?", find a source, which makes me think of something else. Far less frustrating for me, if I just pull together the sourcing from the get-go and write as comprehensive a piece as I can. SusunW (talk) 15:35, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I'm a huge fan of stubs. Better some content than none at all. Although I, too, can get pulled down the rabbit hole pretty easily...which is dangerous, because I then lose track of time. :-)

And congratulations to Smirkybec - it's a nice piece. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks all, it means a huge amount coming from such amazing editors! Smirkybec (talk) 23:29, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Missed this. Smirkybec's contributions are packing our #wikiwomeninred twitter feed with more articles... and this month the Irish theme is particularly apt. I decided to up my rate to one a day to avoid JessWade catching me up. I have to keep going at this rate until the next Ada Lovelace Day. We have given out four unvirtual barnstars so far and I have a couple for this year. Nice to gain some consensus as who might get one. Victuallers (talk) 12:02, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

"Lists in the Wikimedia movement Part 3: The List Revolution: Creating dynamic lists using linked data"

Another interesting article by Astinson (WMF) regarding lists, with a mention of Women in Red (thank you!):"Lists in the Wikimedia movement Part 3: The List Revolution: Creating dynamic lists using linked data". --Rosiestep (talk) 01:06, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Women in Commons...and also German

Was going through a bunch of uploads by a German user, pretty much all good quality photos. I noticed a lot of them had de.wiki articles but not en.wiki. Looks like they mostly have plenty sources available, but maybe few sources in English. So just dropping this by for anyone who might read a bit of German. GMG^talk 19:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

• File:MJK 47042 Anne Wizorek (Republica 2019).jpg de:Anne Wizorek
• File:MJK 70286 Nadine Warmuth (Hessen-Empfang, Berlinale 2020).jpg de:Nadine Warmuth
• File:MJK 70140 Stephanie Stremler (Hessen-Empfang, Berlinale 2020).jpg de:Stephanie Stremler
• File:MJK 70158 Helene Grass (Hessen-Empfang, Berlinale 2020).jpg de:Helene Grass
• File:MJK 70110 Anna Schumacher (Hessen-Empfang, Berlinale 2020).jpg de:Anna Schumacher
• File:MJKr01554 Verena Altenberger (NRW-Empfang, Berlinale 2020).jpg de:Verena Altenberger
• File:MJKr01585 Claudia Rorarius (NRW-Empfang, Berlinale 2020).jpg de:Claudia Rorarius
• File:MJKr01711 Nura (NRW-Empfang, Berlinale 2020).jpg de:Nura (Rapperin)
• File:MJKr01546 Verena Altenberger (NRW-Empfang, Berlinale 2020).jpg de:Verena Altenberger
• File:MJKr01727 Luise Befort (NRW-Empfang, Berlinale 2020).jpg (Datei).jpg de:Luise Befort
• File:MJKr01648 Luna Wedler (NRW-Empfang, Berlinale 2020).jpg de:Luna Wedler
• File:MJKr01742 Nele Kiper (NRW-Empfang, Berlinale 2020).jpg de:Nele Kiper
• File:MJK 67398 Katrin Budde (Bundestag 2020).jpg de:Katrin Budde
• File:MJK 67290 Kerstin Vieregge (Bundestag 2020).jpg de:Kerstin Vieregge

Time's 100 Women of the Year for 100 Years

So, Time magazine just came out with essentially a backlisted format of "Woman of the Year" since the 1920's to account for the women who should have been acknowledged in the past, but weren't. I'm going to presume most of these names already exist on here, but are all of them?

Here's the list: https://time.com/100-women-of-the-year/

Anyone got a faster way to check than just going through one by one? :P Silverseren^C 21:09, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

We have articles on all of them but this could serve as a checklist of biographies which deserve to be improved up to GA class or beyond. Taking those from the 1920s and 1930s, we could start with the suffragists Carrie Chapman Catt (B class, ORES B 4.32), Alice Paul (B class, ORES FA 5.54) and Lucy Burns (B class, ORES FA 5.07). Perhaps also the fashion designer Coco Chanel (B class, ORES FA 5.34), the choreographer Martha Graham (C class, ORES C 3.64) and the educator Maria Montessori (B class, ORES GA 4.42). As we're dealing with aviators this month, how about Amelia Earhart (B class, ORES B 4.59) and for A+F the Mexican painter Frida Kahlo (B class, ORES 5.66). I see Emmy Noether and Anna May Wong are already FA.--Ipigott (talk) 09:18, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:User:Cdefm/Mary Anne Cust

Hi everyone or anyone? I've been working on one of the women on the redlist: Mary Anne Cust,British writer and artist,United Kingdom, 1800-1882, Q56039489. I've discovered that she was a naturalist, scientific illustrator and author. I've managed to find information in regard to the naturalist and author parts, but I've struggled to find information on her scientific illustrator aspect. I've only found two references and one image. I've put what the references say into the section'Career/Scientific illustrator' on the draft page as a place holder. But now I'm stuck. Can anyone advise or help me find out more about her career as an illustrator? Also I would like to put up some images. It will be the first time I try this. But I'm feeling intimidated by the copyright rules for images. I've found two I'd like to put up, one of her, and one as an example of her scientific illustrations. https://assets.sutori.com/user-uploads/image/57aca206-9346-4b08-8613-e0c603c8e61c/2d385842c8c1d87f093558e48e529d19.jpeg and https://www.nhmimages.com/?service=asset&action=show_zoom_window_popup&language=en&asset=6507&location=grid&asset_list=7709,7702,7701,7700,7699,7698,7611,7620,3729,7608,7612,7613,7614,7615,7616,7617,7618,7619,7609,7621,7622,7623,7624,7625,7626,7637,7638,7639,7640,7641,7642,7643,7159,7169,7171,5087,6480,6507,5080,7271,6497,5113,5637,5597,7610,5111,5115,5112,5117,5120&basket_item_id=undefined. Can anyone advise if I can use these images or help? Cdefm (talk) 23:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

The fish is fine; it's public domain by reason of date of death +nn years. We lack metadata for the person image, but I imagine it is PD in so far as it must date to ~1830-40 ... date of death +70 takes us to 1950 ... unlikely the person creating the image lasted that long. The commons templates to use would (probably) be both of PD-old and PD-US-expired. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:30, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Metadata for the person image - http://www.nationaltrustcollections.org.uk/object/434512 - it is PD - the artist, John Cochran, was born in 1803 & can be presumed to have deceased well before 1950. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:58, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Is that a yes? Tagishsimon Shall I try adding my first image? Or is that a hold off, err on the side of caution? Cdefm (talk) 11:17, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

However, on further looking, the fish image has lots of watermarks because age photostock are themselves pond-life - so that might not be a goes :( --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:02, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

It does. But I was thinking desperate times require desperate measures. Tagishsimon. Thank you once again for all the time and effor t you put into helping me. I really do appreciate it. It may not feel like it to you sometimes, but I am learning. I'm like a sponge, abosrbing as much as I can so my skills move forward. Cdefm (talk) 11:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you've found this resource Stuttgart Illustrator database but it is an authoritative source on her being a scientific illustrator. It also lists some other sources of information on her. I hope this is of use. Ambrosia10 (talk) 01:04, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Ambrosia10. I had seen that. what I was hoping to be able to find was something that would indicate where she studied art, if at all. Her illustrations are pretty good, and if she's self taught she was a genius as far as I'm concerned. But I can't track anything about how she learned her art. Cdefm (talk) 11:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

For what it's worth the London Gazette link resolves to here [15] -- a standard notice from her executors after her death, asking any creditors to come forward, before the distribution of her estate. It does give additional confirmation of her residence, date of death, and the date her will was proved; but I think you had all of that from the probate registers.

Thank you! I'll take it. It has some of the same info as the source I used, but yours is viewable online. Much better for anyone who braves reading my article. Cdefm (talk) 11:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

The reference to the Natural History Museum presumably relates to the books of her paintinhs and drawings as per the descriptions here and here that you've already seen. Jheald (talk) 09:11, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Thank you for looking. It's so frustrating that someone with such talent, not just in art, but breeding exotic plants and animals etc doesn't have a higher profile. I mean the lady was shaking it with the best of them. Cdefm (talk) 11:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I've had a good look through the Biodiversity Heritage Library but have been unable to find any illustrations by Lady Cust that could be used. What I will do though is put a "scanning request" in asking that her illustrations from the Natural History Museum be added to BHL. I don't know whether this request will be successful, or if it is how long this will take, but it is worth a shot. Ambrosia10 (talk) 01:25, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

You are a star! Thank you Ambrosia10. I know not many people will visit her page, but I would love to raise her profile. She deserves the recognition! Cdefm (talk) 11:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Requesting copy edit support

I have been actively supporting some of south Asian women issues related article. While working on article Aurat March relating to International Women's Day protests in Pakistan, I realized public debate in Pakistan has come at cross road over 'My body my choice' and it would be difficult to include all facets in the same & English wikipedia deserves separate article for this issue so I have started an article in draft name space Draft:My body my choice (Feminism). I would welcome any copy edit support for article or links to relevant resources on Draft talk:My body my choice (Feminism)

Thanking in anticipation.

Bookku (talk) 13:16, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Tell Us more about Her

The Wiki Loves Women initiative is celebrating Africa’s women leaders throughout March 2020 with the Tell Us About Her drive on the ISA tool. The drive is aimed at improving the visibility of political leaders and activists across Africa on Wikimedia projects. If you do not know it yet, the ISA tool is a fun and mobile friendly tool that helps you to add better descriptions onto the photographs uploaded to Wikimedia Commons within selected categories, so that they are more useful on Wikipedia and Wikidata. Information added to the image description is structured data (depicts or captions). Categories I chose for this campaign are related to politicians, activists and in particular feminists from Africa.
I invite you to check out what the ISA tool is (if you have not yet done so during previous drives). And I of course invite you to join and help add structured data information on our ISA current campaign Tell Us about Her.

Any additional question you have about ISA, just ask me.

Play here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/isa/campaigns/53

Anthere (talk)

New list: Latin America in the Communist International

I added a new list for the Latin America in the Communist International biographical dictionary. The source in Spanish is available online and licensed under CC-BY-SA 4.0, so its text can be reused in Wikipedia. Note that the dictionary is an exhaustive compilation of every person related to Latin America with some paper trail in the Comintern archives, so a lot of entries do not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. Links to other Wikipedia languages and some external sources are also present to help identifying the most notable entries. --MarioGom (talk) 19:45, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the new list, MarioGom. Although all the names may not meet en-wiki requirements, it would be great to add all of them to Wikidata. cc: @Gamaliel and Tagishsimon. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:54, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I wonder if adding all of them to Wikidata is ok with its notability criteria. Also Russian names require special care. The dictionary is quite inconsistent with transliterations. --MarioGom (talk) 20:01, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

To add some more fun, a lot of people went by a hispanized name in Latin America which may or may not be the most common during their lifetime. --MarioGom (talk) 20:03, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@Rosiestep: This looks like a fun project. ¡Gracias! Gamaliel (talk) 20:46, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata list is up, and I see Tagishsimon has already started creating new Wikidata items. Gamaliel (talk) 23:32, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Good find. As might be expected, it contains a limited number of women but the descriptions of those included are generally well presented. Good to have a Wikidata list.--Ipigott (talk) 08:28, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

@MarioGom, Gamaliel, and Tagishsimon, do we want to consolidate the two lists? This is the non-Wikidata list and this is the Wikidata list. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:01, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Maybe not yet? We don't have items for all the notable women on the non-WD list yet. Gamaliel (talk) 14:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Requesting support

Hello,

Requesting to add women's rights issue article Aurat March to your 'watch list' during week of International Women's Day .

While I am steadily working on article to improve further as suggested in notification template. Article is coming across repeat anon vandalism of intentional misogynistic hate against women's movement plus some un-sourced original research attacks.

It seems to be , being women's day around I worry this vandalism may get repeated.

Please see if you can add article Aurat March to your 'watch list' at least until 12/15 March so any repetition of intentional vandalism can be duly reversed.

Thanks & warm regards

Bookku (talk) 07:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Erika Brady

I would be happy to have help with this subject. FloridaArmy (talk) 14:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Article Gaby Chiappe

Though I don't think I made the article Gaby Chiappe, I remember there being a similar conversation here recently and wanted some input. The article has a fairly detailed career section, with a few mentions of Chiappe's eldest son because in the few interviews of her talking about her career, she uses him as a point of reference and discusses her career in relation to her family. Someone claiming to be first a representative and then Chiappe herself have been onto the page, first blanking it besides filmography and removing all references under the guise of a "correction", then saying that the whole thing is unnecessarily personal. While I sympathize, maybe it is uncomfortable having all the info about yourself collected in one place, I re-read BIO and I find that there's nothing personal mentioned just for the sake of it (especially since I went and did a courtesy edit to make references to the children even more vague). However, if the edit requests can be verified and deemed more than IDONTLIKEIT, can anyone who has read the page see any edits that could be made (obviously without the blanking)? The only real argument made by the possible-Chiappe accounts is an equality issue: she writes that there wouldn't be mention of children in career if it were a man's bio. I completely disagree. In interviews, she relates her career to her kids, and there's basically no other interviews or statements from her about anything. If a man did the same, his career section would mention the children. But, yes, if anyone wants to jump onto this, please do. Kingsif (talk) 16:39, 7 March 2020 (UTC)