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Volunteer Marek-personal attacks and incivility

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Request concerning Volunteer_Marek

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: MyMoloboaccount (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 07:50, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Volunteer_Marek (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

You are warned that further comments which constitute personal attacks or incivility, such as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Anna_Politkovskaya&diff=680892973&oldid=680890853 this will result in a block or other sanction. This is a logged warning issues under the discretionary sanctions authorised by the Arbitration Committee's decision on Eastern Europe (which you are "aware" of due to this alert). The procedure to appeal this sanction are here. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:54, 14 September 2015 (UTC)] :[reply]

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

congratulations, you just managed to turn the article into an even bigger piece of POV crap than it already was 22:37, 22 December 2015 Hostile and insulting description of another users edits, that is unconstructive and incivil
Can the POV get more ridiculous? , Gimme a fucking break. Can you at least pretend that you're trying to be neutral here? , “And also note that the edit stupidly leaves the "against Hungary" 22:45, 22 December 2015 Hostile attack instead of trying to discuss the issue, from start confrontational and incivil, uses swear words to attack another editor, calling his edits stupid
false edit summary which claims that it just "add source with quote" (please don't lie),You are using false edit summaries to hide the fact that you are doing nothing else but edit warring 22:02, 22 December 2015 Accusses other editor of lying, obvious incivility

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Was warned about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 21 July 2015

Volunteer Marek (talk · contribs) warned for making a personal attack and that further personal attacks or incivility will likely result in a block or other sanction. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:56, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

VM has been warned several times about being incivility he engages in with other editors and personal attacks. He was warned by admin twice to stop being incivil and abusive towards others. In the past I have requested this as well several times[1],[2]. The above examples are only recent. If required I can provide examples going back a month or more.This is an ongoing and persistent issue.

While there will be always disagreements about wording of article, sources or content, such disputes should be done in civil way worthy of encyclopedia. Shouting at other editors, using swear words, naming their edits as crap goes against this principle. VM was warned to stop being incivil and attacking others and in my view he violated his warning in the examples I have provided.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested [3]

====Response to Bishonen====: Like MastCell, I might have used different words than VM, but I'm against sanctioning editors for speaking impatiently to those who try to degrade content, or for using swear words. Volunteer_Marek was already sanctioned and warned due to his incivil behaviour by an administrator earlier. Hence I am calling for enforcement. This is not a single slip or incident.It is an ongoing issue that VM has been asked time and time again to correct( I believe I asked him to stop this three times at least).He constantly acts incivil and offensive towards others,and this is a behavior that has been going on since years(links can be provided if requested). As I mentioned earlier-due to this he was warned earlier to act in civil way way by an administrator-twice and warned that incivility and personal attacks should stop least he be blocked. If he or you want to appeal his warning and removed from sanctions lists-be my guest, that's fine. But here I am asking for enforcing an already existing sanction, not making a new one.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 22:42, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Update:

To prove that this is not a new thing and result of ongoing incivility, please see my edits over the years where I have asked VM time and time again to stop personal attacks and incivility. I am also posting my comment from last November where I have pleaded for him to stop, and that I will be forced to ask for official intervention if he continues the attacks.

[4]

[5]

I have asked you many times to stop offensive behavior and personal attacks.This was done wit kindness and with hope that you could stop and engage constructively on Wikipedia. Not just today but many months ago and several times.Unfortunately not only you are engaging in continued attacks, but have also engaged in threats now as well. For sake of our old work together, I really don't want to do this, but if you continue to act this way, I will have to ask for official intervention. This is my last request to stop the incivility and attacks Revision as of 02:54, 9 November 2014 (

[6]

--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 22:59, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Response to Kingsindian

This is a transparent attempt to win a content dispute using this board Please see my links above. VM has been engaging in such behavior for years. I have asked him to stop already last year in November and stated that I will have to ask for official intervention if he doesn't cease.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 23:05, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edits by VM since this request has been filled

Since this request has been filled Volunteer_Marek has engaged in edits that were incivil and personal attacks

Yet, you show up here a month later, trying to poison the well, and try to start up a little lynch mob. I cannot but conclude that you are just holding a grudge over... not sure what exactly. It's exactly this kind of petty behavior This is an incivil comment and personal attack against another user.

undo ridiculously POV edits. It's your turn, Mr Single Purpose Account which resembles previous banned users

Again a personal attack.If the user is indeed a sockpuppet, then a proper procedure should have been requested to confirm this, instead of resolving to personal attack. I believe both examples to be in violation of his sanctions. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 22:51, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion concerning Volunteer_Marek

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Statement by Volunteer_Marek

1. The edit describes the article, i.e. content. One might disagree with the assessment (I do wish there was a template which said "Unfortunately, currently this article is crap" that could be slapped on appropriate articles but alas!) but feigning offense and trying to use that to win a dispute is far more disruptive than the use of the word "crap". And yes, the article was bad to begin with. MyMoloboaccount, who has never edited this article before (AFAIK) jumped in the middle of my attempts to fix it, because of the dispute we had at another article, Economy of Poland. I believe this pretty much defines the concept of "revenge reverting"

2. Well, for this one you just need to actually see the comment itself. Here is the diff again [7]. MyMoloboaccount changed text ""The Warsaw Pact's largest military engagements were aimed against its own members—in 1956 against Hungary and in 1968 against Czechoslovakia" to the obviously non-neutral "The Warsaw Pact's largest military engagements were aimed at internal security of member states during 1956 against Hungary and in 1968 against Czechoslovakia" (describing the bloody repression of the Hungarian uprising in which thousands of people were murdered and tens of thousands repressed and tortured as "a matter of internal security" is not only tasteless, but obviously POV). The edit also made a grammatical mess of the sentence and resulted in a statement which contradicted itself. I'm sorry but this is pretty much the definition of over-the-top POV pushing and calling it what it is is perfectly warranted.

3. MyMoloboaccount did in fact use the edit summary "minor changes" [8] (and [9] here again) to ... "label", edits which were non-minor, and in fact were a pretty blatant attempt to POV the article. Here is the relevant exchange on talk (which for some reason MyMoloboaccount failed to link to - wonder why) in which he tries to evade the question and continues to pretend that his edits were "minor". The conversation clearly indicates lack of good faith on the part of the user. In my time on Wikipedia, this kind of behavior has been generally regarded as extremely disruptive and dishonest and has quickly led to a block, especially when done by an editor who's been around for a long time and should know better. To make highly POV changes and hide them behind false edit summaries, and then complain when someone points out that your edit summaries aren't exactly 100% kosher, really takes some chutzpah.

MyMoloboaccount repeatedly edit warred to reinsert text which misrepresented sources - even after I've asked him about it several times on talk. And even after I've explicitly pointed out to him that the text misrepresented the sources. And even when I asked him point blank about which part of a particular source was suppose to support the text. The relevant talk page discussions (or actually, lack thereof, on the part of my MyMoloboaccount) are here (note lack of response), here (basically evading the question) and here (same as the diff above - but note that here I am forced to ask the same question for the third time without a response).

The above discussions clearly indicate WP:TENDENTIOUS behavior on the part of the user. For the record, this kind of pattern has been noted before by others, for example by User:Iryna Harpy (for example here and here, there's more though it might take a bit of time to find it). Likewise, this isn't the first time that MyMoloboaccount has tried to misrepresent sources on Wikipedia (see here and here for detailed explanations). Dealing with such a user, although they pretend at "civility", is extremely frustrating and it is a textbook example of someone who is not engaged with the project in good faith and is in fact... well, driving people crazy, with WP:CRUSH.

Also, for the record, it should be noted that while the user MyMoloboaccount may appear to have a fairly clean block log [10], the actual block log, in all its full page glory is here. The lack of blocks between the new and the old account has to do with the indefinite block that was in place in between (the indefinite block which was lifted after, I'm sorry to say, to a significant extent because I personally argued for its lifting because I believed that MyMoloboaccount/Molobo deserved a second chance. No good deed... like they say) (or maybe that was a bad deed, I didn't realize it at the time, and now I'm just getting my comeuppance?)

Anyway, Happy Holidays and Wesolych Swiat. Volunteer Marek 09:01, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Spartaz. Ok, look, Spartaz, do what you think is appropriate and whatever it is I'm not going to hold it against you. I've been on Wikipedia a long time and I've donated a lot of my free time, which I value highly, to the project. The way I see it, I'm doing Wikipedia a favor by editing here, not vice versa. Of course Wikipedia drives one crazy. The backstabbing, the gratuitous lynch mobs, the lying-with-the-straight face and most of all the thick thick hypocrisy, all more than present in this request and its comments. I realized long time ago that the only way I could continue participating here is by approaching in a way which did not implicitly accept, perpetuate and enable all of those things, in as straight forward manner as possible. Not bullshiting people but not tolerate all the bullshit that falls in one's lap either. So yes, my comments are always direct and to the point, I state my objections explicitly, I express my frustration when someone's obviously not acting in good faith, and I speak the way that grown ups in the real world speak (yes, even in professional settings). Of course this being Wikipedia people will try to use that against you to win disputes and as a way of furthering their agenda. Shrug.

So no, I don't think I made any "personal attacks". I used words which some people will try and pretend they find offensive. I was critical of another editor's editing behavior. But neither of these are personal attacks. Saying to someone "you POV'ed the article" is NOT a personal attack and you won't be able to find a Wikipedia policy that says so. Maybe I didn't put it in the most diplomatic way possible but so what? If I had said "you're a bad person because you POV'ed the article" or some version of that THAT would've been a personal attack. But calling people out on their atrocious behavior and disruptive editing (and I'm sorry but MyMoloboaccount WAS blatantly misrepresenting sources, using false edit summaries and then playing coy about it and pretending they didn't know what the issue was) is not a personal attack and in fact, given how Wikipedia works, it is sometimes necessary to actually improve article content. Volunteer Marek 17:03, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@LjL - why are you here? This has nothing to do with you. About a month ago we had a dispute on an unrelated article. You violated a 1RR restriction on it repeatedly and I pointed it out to you. You kept claiming "consensus" on the article where really the matter was still being discussed. You say I "defied consensus". Total baloney. I disagreed with *you*. And what eventually happened? I left the article alone and let you have your way because I decided it simply wasn't worth the effort. The current state of the article, AFAIK, reflects your point of view. How is that "deifying consensus"? Yet, you show up here a month later, trying to poison the well, and try to start up a little lynch mob. I cannot but conclude that you are just holding a grudge over... not sure what exactly. It's exactly this kind of petty behavior that makes Wikipedia a social wreck and such an extremely unpleasant place to contribute at.

Wasn't there a restriction on WP:AE reports (originated by User:Sandstein or User:Future Perfect at Sunrise IIRC) which forbid uninvolved parties from showing up to pursue grudges, clutter up the discussion and form little "peanut galleries" (their words, not mine) on these reports? (basically the same thing applies to User:Erlbaeko who's also here opportunistically to pursue grudges and as a way of getting an upper hand in an unrelated dispute (which is/was under mediation). God, I sometimes really hate Wikipedia.) Volunteer Marek 20:01, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Flashout1999 - It's ridiculous to say that I am "harassing" MyMoloboaccount when in fact they were the one who followed me to the article in the first place, because of a disagreement we had on another article. If anything, it's the opposite.

Likewise, your claim that the section heading "Can the POV get more ridicoulos?" (sic) is a "personal attack" but a section heading "POV in the lead" is not doesn't hold water. They both say the same thing, one is just in the form of a question and the other one is not, and neither "attacks" anyone. It specifically points to problems with content.

You are mistaking strongly worded criticism of article content and user behavior with "personal attacks". These are not the same thing. One more time - saying "you POV'd the article" is not not not not not a personal attack. Never has been, isn't now and probably (it's Wikipedia, so who knows?!) never will be. Disagreement are likewise not "personal attacks". Volunteer Marek 20:53, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And actually let me add a little bit here to my response to Flashout1999. MyMoloboaccount repeatedly restored text which misrepresented sources and also made obviously highly POV changes with misleading edit summaries ("minor changes"). The proper response to my objections, which I made on talk, would have been to correct the misrepresentation of sources and if they felt something was missing, or if they felt that a particular piece of text was actually true (just not in that particular source) would have been to go out there and find new sources and faithfully paraphrase them. This is not MyMoloboaccount did. They just kept restoring the existing problems via blanket reverts. Yes, they did add some new sources but these were generally misrepresented just like the previous ones (the Crumb one in particular).

On the other hand, and to your credit, your response was more or less what I outlined above. You did go out and get new sources (the state department etc., although the History Channel one was a dud) and you appear to be open to discussing how to reword the text to make it NPOV.

This difference actually illustrates both the problem with MyMoloboaccount's approach and the proper approach. MMA, instead of doing the work necessary to find compromise and improve the article decided upon a wording which suited their POV first and then tried to pretend that sources supported it. Didn't really discuss the issues. When they didn't get their way, they came running here, to WP:AE, as a strategy of "winning" a dispute with allegations of "incivility" and lack of good faith (to quote User:Collect "The person who most frequently speaks about assuming good faith is least likely to assume (or act in) good faith.") That's often a very good sign that the person who's complaining about "incivility" is on the wrong end of the actual underlying *content* dispute. Because that's the only "argument" (and not a good one) they got. See also WP:CRUSH.

So, anyway, whatever the outcome of this report, and whatever else you say about me down in your section below, I do want to thank you in particular for taking the right approach to improving the article and if I was overly harsh in my criticism of you I apologize. Volunteer Marek 21:04, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Response to MyMoloboaccount's newest allegations

This is just diff padding and more of the same. At best these diffs just show that MyMoloboaccount has tried to use this tactic before, when confronted about the POV nature of their edits. Let's go through'em, shall we?

Ok, let's go through the diffs provided by MyMoloboaccount in the para beginning with "To prove that this is not a new thing and result of ongoing incivility..."

This diff provided by MMA is just a message he left on my talk page. What edit of mine is he responding to when he accuses me of "incivility"? This one. What I said is, quote: "crap source - the guy says that increases in poverty CAUSE increases in GDP". I called a ... crappy source, crap. If you think THAT is incivility, I really got nothing to say to you. It was a crap source and pointing that out is perfectly fine.

Then there is this diff, which is also MMA coming to my talk page and accusing me of, this time, "following him around". Ok, let me try to figure out what the hey he's talking about........ July 17....... Here at least is the full conversation (at bottom) which basically shows that this was MMA being passive-aggressive. Let's see, I said something (on my talk page) about that being an absurd accusation [11].

Hmmmmm. In July of 2014, the only article that both myself and MMA edited was Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. Now, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 actually crashed on July 17 of 2014, it was of course all over the media and the article had been just created. There was a lot of activity on it. I made edits to it - and over the next several months I did a lot more work on the article than MMA who's only contribution was throw in some POV text right at the beginning. I can't remember who edited it first but who cares. Previously MMA had been following my edits around to the articles on:

Unemployment in Poland (my first edits were right after the article was started on 6/3/14, MMA showed up shortly thereafter to edit war on 6/5/14),
Balcerowicz Plan (I made edits in August of 2013, as well as 6/5/2014 - MMA showed up shortly therafter, same day, 8 hours later, to edit war) and
Poverty in Poland (I made edits in March of 2013 - when MMA and I got into a disagreement on another article, MMA switched over to this one to undue my changes out of revenge)

This is why my response to MMA's comment about me supposedly "following him around" was... well, let me quote it in full, because it applies to the Warsaw Pact article now as much as it did to these other ones then: "I do sincerely hope that you have enough self awareness to realize how absurd you sound above."

MMA had spent a few months following me around - EXACTLY the same as with Warsaw Pact article - and then had the chutzpah to come to my talk page and accuse me of doing that.

If that doesn't convince you that MMA is a tendentious editor who tries to WP:GAME policies and win disputes which they cannot win based on sources by threatening, falsely accusing, and spuriously reporting people I don't know what will. And yes, just like he misrepresents sources in terms of content, he misrepresent editors he disagrees with in noticeboards such as this one. Volunteer Marek 23:47, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and I love that MMA is complaining about this edit of mine. Completely different topic area. Race and Intelligence. Which as anyone who's even dipped their toe in that topic area knows is overrun with sockpuppets and meatpuppets of blocked and topic banned users, who keep trying to use these articles to push racist garbage POV. In this particular instance an essentially brand new, single purpose, red-linked account changed the text so that descriptions of 19th century racist thinkers idea read as facts. Yes, the account was basically using Wikipedia to write "Black people are dumber than white people" (instead of "Racists *believe* that black people..."). Of course it was dressed up, the SPA account was perfectly "civil", there was some sources tacked on to it to make it look legit and of course the response was "discuss on talk!!!". But at the end of the day it was just racist garbage. I am not going to apologize for that edit nor am I going to apologize for that edit summary (in fact, I toned it down from what I originally wrote because I had a sneaky suspicion someone would try to use it against me). Again, this just shows that MMA has a very Machavallian attitude to editing Wikipedia where they're willing to use ANYTHING to win a content dispute.

(Btw, since I made that revert, I've had five different users thank me for it, including User:Maunus, who's probably the most veteran of the veteran editors in that topic area, as well as User:Caballero1967 [12]) Volunteer Marek 00:00, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Caballero's Comments

My comments here are in relation to my thanks to User:Volunteer Marek's editing work here. The article is a subject intimately familiar to me since I have taught it in graduate courses for four years already, and have published about it. Before User:Volunteer Marek intervened today I had written about my concerns with the ideological changes taking place in the article's Talk Page. And User:Volunteer Marek was bold, yes, but direct and correct in his manners. When the user making the disruptive changes asked him to edit the changes rather than blank them in full, Marek's response was right and to the point: there is nothing unbaised and nothing to edit. So, it may be that Marek's is a bold editor, but his work (up to what I have seen), is not easily matched. Caballero/Historiador (talk) 00:27, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Erlbaeko

Note that the same pattern of personal attacks and incivility can be seen in other articles/topics. See e.g. Talk:Ghouta_chemical_attack/Archive_6#same_ol.27_POV_pushing_which_just_won.27t_stop. Also note that I notified him about Syrian Civil War sanctions on 27 August 2015, ref. diff. Here Volunteer Marek attacks an editor saying "Will you please stop lying so blatantly?" I would not have had a problem with that if it was a lie, but it is not. I checked the statement and it's only slightly inaccurate. I replied here. I see no justification for that attack, and no apology was ever given. Erlbaeko (talk) 11:37, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that Volunteer Marek attacked the new editor on the article here by calling him a "brand new throw away accounts to help out in the edit war", and here by insinuating sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry (without any convincing evidence). The editor has explained that he is a Wikipedia veteran here and documnets that he started editing 7 and a half years ago here. Erlbaeko (talk) 11:57, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Update: To clarify a bit. I don't see the attacks itself as a big problem. We all make mistakes from time to time and I don't care to much about an attack or two or some rough language. The problem is the pattern of lesser personal attacks that continues throughout a discussion despite warnings (as in the discussion I linked to above). It is when that pattern is used to disrupt progress toward improving an article it became a problem, and that problem is called disruptive editing. It is like he is living after the Paul Krugman citation on his user page: "As the old lawyer’s line says, if the facts are on your side, pound the facts; if the law is on your side, pound the law; if neither are on your side, pound the table. I’d add: and demand “civility.”. I am afraid he will continue to "pound the table and demand civility" if the behavior is allowed to continue. Erlbaeko (talk) 13:20, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Arthur Rubin: Do we want to continue? I don't know, but I do. I don't see no justification for your 1 week block for "actions on Warsaw Pact, commented on at WP:AE". Ref. Block log. Here you said it was due to "discretionary sanctions for Eastern Europe". What excatly did you block him for? Erlbaeko (talk) 16:20, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur Rubin, I see you have unblocked MyMoloboaccount, ref. block log, and that you admitted that you made a mistake here. Thanks. Erlbaeko (talk) 11:34, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by LjL

I have also been at my wits' end with this editor, but eventually I decided to do nothing about it. But given that finally I'm not the only one wanting to complain, I'll add diffs for things that had seemed to show WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF issues, with my emphasis on them (but honestly, other behaviors from this editor were more of a burden to me, yet it's trickier to put them together to clarify the situation):

Can you stop being dishonest? There is NO "overwhelming consensus" as you claim above. You're making shit up. There is NO "clear consensus" as you claim above. You're making shit up. [13]
For fuck's sake, this is suppose to be an article about a terrorist attack IN FRANCE, which killed more than a hundred people IN FRANCE in a greatest tragedy since WWII. It is NOT about Poland's politician's hang ups about refugees from Syria. It is NOT about your own personal hangs up about refugees from Syria. How about we keep the article on topic that it's actually suppose to be about rather than go off on POV tangents to pursue personal political agendas? [14]
LjL, MyMolobboaccount, EVEN IF you guys were right about previous consensus - which you're not, you're making shit up - my last edition concerned an official statement [...] MyMoloboaccount shows up and removes it. I undo. LjL jumps in to edit war just because. And then you claim consensus for that too. Please stop being ridiculous. [15]

Note that the "consensus" the editor challenges in the above quotations was repeatedly established, and summarized here, and he was virtually the only editor disrupting it. LjL (talk) 14:38, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I do, like Kingsindian, also wonder what exactly MyMoloboaccount, the OP, was now blocked for (without notifying this discussion, even though he was purportedly blocked because of it), since neither the block log nor the talk page notifications seem to make it very clear what edits caused the block (I do not see obvious edit warring in the involved page's history). I think it would be appropriate at this point if the blocking admin, Arthur Rubin, made a statement here. LjL (talk) 15:12, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Arthur Rubin: thanks for your statement. I am concerned that you seem to be looking at the specifics of the content dispute rather than administrative issues. I don't really feel qualified to comment about Warsaw Pact specifics, but if I were an administrator I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable blocking on such content disputes... especially while the blocked user has an outstanding arbitration enforcement request against the other party, and that is a very administrative issue where any civility issues with Volunteer Marek can be gauged (but you're choosing to stay away from that administrative concern). All I really know is that Volunteer Marek has defied consensus in not-very-civil manners before, and so far, the complaining party has been blocked instead. I think Spartaz or any administrator looking at this ought to keep that in mind. LjL (talk) 16:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Flushout1999

I can confirm the bad behavior from Volunteer Marek. However I believe this talk page [16] speaks by itself. He managed now to make it a total mess creating new sections not related to the content which should be present in the main article, but just creating them in order to attack the other users along his personal opinions. Also he avoids persistently to discuss reliable sources' content which are not according to his personal beliefs, starting to apply denigratory labels, being uncivil and keeping to say that there is a "misrepresentation" as an excuse to revert entire paragraphs, while never providing links nor going into details (like making at least some citation) in despise of the most common editing discussions rules, as the ones reported here [17]. -- Flushout1999 (talk) 16:18, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear: In my opinion that particular MyMoloboaccount's edit on the lead was not good at all, but not that bad to justify VM reaction which as been disruptive at least. This could have been solved in a very easy way as the new edit [18] from Kingsindian shows.

VM attitude in the talk page as been rather uncivil, rude and degrading the talk to a WP:BATTLEGROUND creating messy new sections with titles aimed only at attacking MyMoloboaccount personally. ("Can the POV get more ridicoulos?" should have been titled something like "POV in the lead" for example).

In my opinion his behavior could qualify also as repeated offensive behavior aimed to target a specific person (MyMoloboaccount) with the purpose to make him feel threatened or intimidated (which however did not happen).

Now that other users like MastCell are justifying these kind of personal attacks, incivility and offensive behaviors towards the other editors, only because one just don't like what he perceives as a different point of view from his, this is really disappointing to me and this is for sure the most undesiderable outcome here in wikipedia, that everyone starts to feel excused when treating the others in a belittling and insulting way only because they have different point of views, while instead is very easy to discuss civilly, achieve neutrality in the article and solve issues if one just wants to.

Also I don't understand MyMoloboaccount block, he made a single bad edit (perhaps misunderstood), we are now going to block people only because of a single bad edit? -- Flushout1999 (talk) 20:30, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Volunteer Marek I'm sorry Marek but here I am going to disagree with you. First: disagreements are ok, to discuss them incivilly and just in order to intimidate the others is not. Second: who is the one that is really following the other? For example, my first edit in the Warsaw Pact is at 23:08, 29 July 2013 [19], yours is at 21 October 2015 [20] and you came only to revert my old edits [21] while in the same moment you deleted all of my old edits in The Harvest of Sorrow [22] while discussing there with me. As the two articles are totally unrelated, this means you took a look to my contribs and then you engaged in a ravaged deletion of my past edits you disliked (and you even used the excuse of "suspect copyvio" in the Warsaw Pact article. My source was not an english book, so I could not copy anything, in that case I had rewritten all in my words). I tell you, I perceive (and I perceived) this not only as a form of WP:HARASSMENT but also as WP:WIKIHOUNDING made towards me.

But I'm glad you now realized we could perfectly discuss in a civil way and understand each other, we could have it done that also in that occasion. I believe that if we all take in consideration each other thoughts and we respect each other than a solution is always available. For example see this: Wikipedia:Writing for the opponent, perhaps me too I am still not able to do that, but probably Wikipedia is all about this. -- Flushout1999 (talk) 22:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Kingsindian

This is a transparent attempt to win a content dispute using this board. All three descriptions by MyMoloboaccount are seriously misleading. VM's conduct on the talk page is not ideal, but MyMoloboaccount's conduct is as bad or worse, which directly led to VM's conduct.

The major diff is here. By no stretch of imagination can this be called "minor changes", as stated in the edit summary. This alone should raise doubts about MyMoloboaccount's conduct.

Let me first point out the kernel of the matter. The Warsaw Pact was in part a reaction to NATO. That is not all that it was: historical events rarely have a single cause or motivation. There were plenty of nefarious motives as well. The writing on this issue needs to be nuanced. The Laurien Crump source is accepted by all sides as a good source, and it needs to be presented carefully.

Let's now go through the diffs:

The first diff is a description of the article. Anyone who has worked in any contentious area on Wikipedia knows that many articles are POV crap. Whether or not that is correct in this instance, this is hardly an offence.
The second diff, contrary to MyMoloboaccount's account, "instead of discussing the issue...", indeed discusses the issue, with some rather minor incivility. The edit made by MyMoloboaccount was indeed atrocious.
In the third diff, the problem is that text which was disputed earlier, was reintroduced with a misleading edit summary by MyMoloboaccount. The actual issue, minus all the heat, is that a nuanced version of the text can be written which is supported by the sources.

In such topics, people have their own POV. It is unavoidable. People have to work together in spite of this.

By the way, why is MyMoloboaccount blocked? The block log says something about AE, which I can't fathom. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 12:03, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am afraid Arthur Rubin crucially misreads the edit made by MyMoloboaccount. The statement does not say that the purpose of the Warsaw Pact was to protect the internal security, but that the major military engagements were to protect internal security, which is a rather different thing. The stated purpose of something need not coincide with the actual use of the thing.

Also, the term "internal security" often refers to the security of the regime, rather than security of the population. This is the way in which internal security is used routinely in political literature. See this, this and this for examples.

That said, the edit made by MyMoloboaccount was very POV and certainly not "minor" (again a misleading edit summary). There is also a larger point. Are we now blocking people based on POV pushing? I would then suggest that a large portion of the editors in Israel-Palestine or Eastern-Europe area should be blocked then. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 20:10, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My own viewpoint is that it was not OK to block MyMoloboaccount based on one edit, which the blocker misread anyway. POV-pushers are ubiquitous in any contentious area on Wikipedia. If there is a pattern of misbehaviour by MMA then it should be presented before acting like this. Regarding conduct by all parties, my own viewpoint is: I see plenty of discussion of actual content on the talk page, mixed with the odd incivil comment. The latter is not ideal, but nobody behaves like a saint all the time. I don't see anything too bad. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 21:13, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Arthur Rubin

I cannot see this edit by MyMoloboaccount as being in good faith; the claim that the Warsaw Pact was intended to support internal security of the nations involved is contrary to fact and to the wording of the Pact. The pact was written as to protect external security of the nations, and reliable sources suggest the secondary reason was to protect the Soviet Union against threats from the other signatories. (I'm not sure the references to West Germany are sourced. I don't want to get involved in editing the article.) The statement must be considered Soviet propaganda, and propaganda (except as opinion) is not permitted on Wikipedia.

I am not commenting on Volunteer Marek's alleged incivility. However, if addition of propaganda is considered WP:vandalism, VM should not be cited for edit warring, as removal of vandalism is a permitted exception. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:06, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If I were to investigate all of MyMoloboaccount's diffs, I would probably suggest a topic ban from (at least) Warsaw pact, and all actions taken by the Soviet Union under the Pact. Do we want to continue? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:14, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by MastCell

@Spartaz: For what it's worth, Marek is right. Now, I would probably use different language: I would say that Flushout1999 (and Mymoloboaccount) are tendentious editors who are systematically and somewhat dishonestly degrading the quality of our article on the Warsaw Pact in service of their political agendas. Marek would say that they're turning the article into an even bigger pile of POV crap than it already was. Both of those are true statements.

I suppose the proper response to this complaint comes down to a philosophical question: which is the bigger threat to Wikipedia as a serious, reputable reference work? Dishonest, agenda-driven obsessives, or people who lose patience with them? My personal view is probably evident from my framing of the question. MastCell ^Talk 06:50, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Maunus)

Editors should assume good faith - untill that becomes impossible. Likewise, editors should use civil and courteous language - but should not be excessively punished when their patience is put to the test by long-term blatant, tendentious editing. (Note that I don't know Mymoloboaccounts editing patterns, but refer to the POV pushing that VolunteerMarek reverted at R&I)·maunus · snunɐɯ· 22:39, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Volunteer_Marek

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

I'd like to hear any justification/explanation Volunteer Marek can offer for those diffs. At first look they appear to be clear personal attacks and incivility and breaches of Cannanecc's warning. Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:04, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- My comment appears to have crossed with the statements.
- Diff #1 - Its a more than a bit disingenuous to say you were describing the article when your edit summary is clearly aimed at MyMoloboaccount. This looks like a clear violation.
- Diff #2 - Gimme a fucking break. Can you at least pretend that you're trying to be neutral here? Clearly personalising a discussion and at the very least this skirts the civility policy - depending on how tolerant you are of swearing. To me, its too strongly worded and sweary.
- Diff #3 - Nothing actionable here IMO.
- The rest of VMs statement is attempting to tar MyMoloboaccount rather than addressing his own behaviour and has been ignored. My judgement is that this actionable and that a block and TB are appropriate. I'd suggest 24hours and a 1 month TB from eastern European areas. Other options are of course available.... Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:16, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Like MastCell, I might have used different words than VM, but I'm against sanctioning editors for speaking impatiently to those who try to degrade content, or for using swear words. Defending tendentiousness by combing the opponent's posts for bad words is one of the oldest tricks on Wikipedia, and I'd like to see a boomerang here. Bishonen | talk 21:26, 27 December 2015 (UTC).[reply]
My general take on this situation parallels Bishonen's, and I don't see any value to either blocking or topic-banning Volunteer Marek, although despite how strongly he feels, I do think it would be better if he toned down some of the language, in order to avoid distracting people from the merits of his positions. On the other hand, while I understand why Bishonen makes her "boomerang" suggestion, I suppose an AE report that another admin has found merit to can't be categorized as frivolous on its face. So subject to others' input, I would close with no action at this time. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:14, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

930310

This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

Request concerning 930310

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Legacypac (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 11:59, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: 930310 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Longevity#Motion:_Longevity_.28August_2015.29 :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[23] Voting Keep on an effort to consolidate, arguing that it is easier to compare info on separate pages
[24] Voting against Wikipedia policy on RS and for the GRG being exclusive "verified" source.
Date "the anti-supercentenarian crew AfD-nominated.." (us vs them mentality)
[25] "Updated article due to repeated destruction of article by User:Commanderlinx"
[26] Updated article due to repeated destruction of article by Commanderlinx
[27] Undid revision 692532327 by CommanderLinx (talk)Undid vandalism
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Margaret_Ann_Neve&diff=prev&oldid=692526144 (Undid revision 692422449 by CommanderLinx (talk)Undoing destruction)
[28] (Undid revision 692337985 by Legacypac (talk)Destructive edit undone)
[29] This is the most ridiculous crap I have ever heard. (on an SPI)
[30] It's more like some POV-Pushers have been more actively caballing and canvassing to scare off neutral, third-party input. This particular comment by you, EEng, reflects a long-standing pattern of edit-warring and battle-grounding on this subject. 930310 (talk) 23:02, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
[31] starts ANi thread against a "group" of editors and gets no sympathy. Says "I propose that a topic ban regarding longevity related articles is given to both of them since they are obviously only out to destruct articles about longevity and show clear disrespect for the deceased by saying things such as the ones mentioned above."

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Date Explanation
Date Explanation

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Participated in the ArbComm case relevant here [32]
Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on [33] on talk page in Aug 2015
Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on [34].

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: Editor is a long term, single purpose account only editing in the Longevity area. They disrespect other upstanding editors as seen in the diffs and edit summaries. They tried to have 2 to 5 editors topic banned at once in ANi and the idea of boomarang was raised. The off Wiki canvassing and spas continue to be a major problem in this topic, but at least we can use these discretionary sanctions to topic ban POV pushing editors like this one that pretty consistently argue against Wikipedia policy. Regularly specifically names and agrees with recently topic banned editor Ollie231213 [35] and engages in the the same abuse toward policy. Thank-you for your consideration of this report. 11:59, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Response to Alansohn's allegations: As an editor that enjoys cleanup (including Neelix, pageants, and recently longevity) and editing ISIL (also a DS area), I've attracted more then my fair share of attacks at ANi, 3RR and even a failed effort to brand in SPi by POV pushers and edit warriors. I don't maintain a tombstone list, and am not always successful in XfD, 3RR reports etc but there have been thousands of deletes/redirect effected based on my nominations. I continue to edit with a clean record while people that see me as an opponent end up blocked, topic banned, etc. I've also never been interested in off wiki coordination. Perhaps a case against Alansohn should be prepared next for he also engages in the same agenda pushing behavior as Ollie and 930310 Legacypac (talk) 20:57, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Canvassing: One editor below was sent here to comment by a recently Longevity topic banned editor [36] while another is discussing this case with the same topic banned editor [37] in evident violation of that editor's topic ban. Legacypac (talk) 00:23, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [38]

Discussion concerning 930310

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by 930310

Statement 1 Hardly surprising that this user goes on an attack towards me as well. There are so many instances of you having done this because of users you don't like so I won't even bother with making any comments to protect myself towards this nonsense. I have been a user on Wikipedia for almost ten years, and if people check my history I did not register or was a SPA back then, which I am not now either. So how can I be nominated for being such? I post or edit where I feel like and currently longevity related articles are my main interest. Is there anything wrong with having interests? 930310 (talk) 12:50, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement 2 Regarding some of the examples used as evidence against me:

1. Disagreeing with another user is certainly not against Wikipeda policy, and in fact, if we look at a number of LegacyPac's "efforts", he is receiving widespread opposition.

2. It's actually LegacyPac who is violating Wikipedia policy by not paying any attention to WP:NPOV, WP:UNDUE, WP:VALID, and WP:WP:BESTSOURCES. To quote from the latter: "Good and unbiased research, based upon the best and most reputable authoritative sources available, helps prevent NPOV disagreements." It's quite clear from looking at other reliable sources that the GRG is considered an authority on the subject. Arguing that Wikipedia should reflect this is ABSOLUTELY NOT a violation of policy. Read this, it explains the situation perfectly.

3. Actually, loads of other users have openly admitted that this is a "them Vs us" situation. See here.

4. All I did there was improve an article.

5. Ditto.

6. I apologize for this. One shouldn't call policy-based edits "vandalism".

7. Ditto.

8. In this instance my actions were justified since LegacyPac removed sourced information because he disagreed with what was written in the source. A clear violation of WP:OriginalResearch.

9. I could have been more tactful here. The argument for suggesting I was a sockpuppet was however very weak.

10. The anti-GRG editors (as mentioned above) have made a clear and concerted effort to "prune" longevity articles (see here), and in a number of cases, they have received widespread opposition from uninvolved editors (here, here, here, here, here, and here.

11. A number of uninvolved editors have expressed frustration at the actions of the anti-longevity editors.

930310 (talk) 13:42, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Being a SPA, which I do not consider myself to be, is not against Wiki-policy. The reason as to why I am editing longevity-related articles is because I am interested in them. I have explained clearly why I believe that I am acting in line with policy. What specifically have I done that is in violation of policy? 930310 (talk) 19:23, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by EEng

The user's contribution history practically defines "SPA". [39] [40]. Not visible via those links is fact that his/her userpage and sandbox were for years two of the many WP:FAKEARTICLE/WP:NOTWEBHOST longevity lists that have finally purged: Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:930310 Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:930310/sandbox. EEng (talk) 13:10, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's worth remembering this Arbcom finding from February 2011:

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Longevity#WikiProject_World.27s_Oldest_People_urged: WikiProject World's Oldest People is urged to seek experienced Wikipedia editors who will act as mentors to the project and assist members in improving their editing and their understanding of Wikipedia policies and community norms.

That didn't happen, which is why the mess continues. SPAs' lack of experience in the wider project continues to plague discussions. EEng (talk) 02:07, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Alansohn

These allegations regarding 930310 -- together with the more disturbing result above regarding User:Ollie231213 -- are clear examples of what comes off as a rather clear tag team mentality by both User:EEng and User:Legacypac. The instances cited here of "edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it" are examples of Orwellian thought crimes. Just take the first two examples:

Both of these are examples of situations where 930310 challenged one of the mass of repeated AfD nominations by EEng / Legacypac, cited relevant Wikipedia policy and now have this used as "evidence" against them. I can't even figure out how either of these can be viewed as violations of policy under even the most strained view of Longevity-related policy violations. These are quintessentially appropriate votes in each case.

The repeated SPA allegations from EEng appear to be intended as a provocation, in the same manner as what was done to Ollie231213.

Any objection to boomerang nominations for EEng and Legacypac? Alansohn (talk) 19:13, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@JzG - In describing this as "a clear case of SPA vs. Wikipedia" you have prejudged the matter without justification. The diffs offered are run-of-the-mill examples of rather ordinary back and forth discussions, at worst. In no example is any of the required policy violation offered, nor is any consideration given to the rather belligerent harassment and provocation by both EEng and Legacypac. If you're proposing a topic ban of any length, offer the community some specific example of what the basis is for this use of administrative authority. On the contrary, a look at the history stats for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Australian supercentenarians shows the tag team of EEng and Legacypac with 42 of the 97 edits -- more than 43% of all edits to the AfD -- where edits by EEng and Legacypac include:

And this is just a taste of what's to come. The problem here is the tag team. A permanent topic ban on LegacyPac and EEng will solve 99% of the battleground mentality, baiting and provocations taking place at Longevity-related articles. Alansohn (talk) 21:47, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by 7&6=thirteen

I concur entirely with Alansohn and his reasoning. Eeng and Legacypac have incessantly waged a war of attrition on longevity-related articles. It is the WP:PROD of the day. And Legacypac at least got nasty when others try to derail their express train. So much so that even Eeng told him to cool his jets. Topic banning ought to be last resort. I for one have basically avoided the topic, not for lack of interest, as I am afraid of affronting The Red Queen, as we have "discretionary sanctions" with little or no warning or guidance as to what is expected. You can shut off all dissent. Or if you are applying sanctions you should do it even-handedly, whatever standard it is that you are applying 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:27, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by JaconaFrere

Legacypac has been on a tear at AfD, belittling other editors who vote keep on any longevity or pageant articles while removing other editors fairly passive statements as personal attacks, and accusing experienced editors such as 7&6=thirteen single-purpose editors because they opposed their position on an afd. A boomerang for Legacypac is in my opinion long overdue. Jacona (talk) 02:09, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by David in DC

930310 offers this thread for the proposition that there's something wrong with efforts to prune the longevity walled garden. But the thread proves something quite different. I started the thread on the WOP wikiproject page in an effort to get the logjam resolved by cooperation and consensus. Please review the thread carefully. The chirping of crickets after my initial posting and subsequent plea for dialogue is telling. David in DC (talk) 19:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Ricky81682

One has to ignore the greater dispute here and focus on the actual editors involved. I don't particularly find Legacypac and EEng's prods and AFD campaign entirely perfect but I think the overall consensus following each one of their listings is at least some level of support for their policies. I suggest someone filing separate AE requests on them if they find it prudent. As to 930310, we tend to disagree, but I think his/her conduct here is sufficient for a limited topic ban to see if the editor can work outside of this area at the moment. 930310's comment at the SPI, note that the SPI was originally titled Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/930310 and only later moved when 930310 was found unrelated to the other editors, a proposal that I supported. While not perfectly civil, the comment would be something I would expect from anyone tagged with an SPI report basically naming everyone who voted keep on a single AFD discussion. 930310's comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kathleen Snavely (2nd nomination) was in part a procedural speedy keep based on the month-prior closure of the same AFD. That isn't necessarily objectionable to me, as I can imagine a number of other editors with the same mindset just based on the timing of the AFDs. However, the ANI complaint (which admittedly names me as well) is about the same issues that permeate this entire AE request, namely the proposals to prod and take pages repeatedly to AFD. The fact that 930310 is so emotionally tied to these articles that listing their biographies for deletion (or discussing the concept) is considered "disrespectful" makes it difficult if not impossible to have any objective discussions about them. I suspect we'll have more AE disputes as the topic ban discussions can go here rather than at ANI which is probably a bit better. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:19, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Alansohn: I don't think AE works for boomerang nominations as JzG notes below. If you want to propose sanctions requests against the nominator and others, new sections should be started. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:11, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning 930310

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This is a clear case of SPA vs. Wikipedia. Regardless of any issues with the filing party (which should be addressed via a separate request if people feel so strongly about it), the involvement of SPAs has been highlighted as a specific issue with the walled garden of articles around longevity. A topic ban for 930310 is entirely in line with policy and the arbitration finding. I propose a TB with appeal allowed after 3 months if 930310 makes significant contributions outside of the contended topic area. Guy (Help!) 13:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

HughD

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Request concerning HughD

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Springee (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 01:30, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: HughD (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Dec 21st HughD was told on December 11th by {U:Ricky81682} that the Watchdog.org topic was part of his topic ban. For violating that ban his Tea Party, broadly construed topic ban was expanded to all US conservative politics 2009 and later. The WP:TBAN guidelines state that a topic ban covers "a topic ban covers all pages (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the parts of other pages that are related to the topic." Asking for an RfC that HughD created on the page that resulted in his expanded topic block looks like discussing the banned topic.
Dec 23 Citizens United vs FEC is a topic that falls within conservative politics. The article makes mention of conservative groups on a number of occasions including the group "Citizens United". The case was brought before the USSC in 2009 and decided in 2010. Thus the date of the case is within the topic ban. The subject is conservative politics.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Aug 28 HughD topic-banned from "any articles involving the Tea Party movement broadly, including but not limited to anything at all related to Americans for Prosperity, Koch Industries, the Koch brothers, for one year."
Oct 11 After AE request, HughD warned that "further violations of the TBAN will likely result in a block (even if just minor)."
Oct 29 HughD blocked for one week "following editing on Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity." An appeal of this block was declined at AE [42].
Dec 11 HughD informed that the TBAN was expanded to all US conservative politics 2009 and later, broadly construed.
[43] WP:BLUDGEON admin Ricky81682 regarding limits and justification of TBAN.

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Discussion concerning HughD

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Statement by HughD

Thank you to my good colleagues Guy and Ed for your comments. Of course I would welcome an opportunity to apologize for and strike any edit which a consensus of my colleagues agree is a topic ban violation.

"Regarding the first diff: he is asking for someone to close an RfC about watchdog.org that he himself opened." I started an RfC at Watchdog.org 8 December, before the topic ban expansion, but I did not request a close. Prior to the RfC, three threads of preliminary talk page discussion were started by colleagues informally collaborating on improving the coverage and neutrality of article Watchdog.org, threads representing successive refinement of the content eventually proposed by the RfC. On 7 December, prior to the RfC, involved editor Paid Editor 009o9 requested a formal closure of these three threads that clearly did not need closure let alone formal closure. As per WP:CLOSE, "Many informal discussions do not need closing." Significantly, Paid Editor 009o9 failed to notify of the request for closure at article talk. 20 December I noticed the unusual request for closure among the backlog at WP:ANRFC, and commented in hopes of an WP:ANRFC patroller archiving the request for closure and helping reducing the backlog. In summary, the record is clear that I did not request a closure of an RfC (and neither did Paid Editor 009o9). ~~I see the request for closure is still there at WP:ANRFC, sigh, so my effort was in vain.~~ I apologize to the community I did not anticipate my good faith attempt to help clear a spurious request from our WP:ANRFC backlog might be considered a topic ban violation. I would be more than happy to strike my comment there, particularly if someone would be so kind as to come behind me and click archive the ill-advised request for closure. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 00:13, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

29 December the pointed, disruptive request for close was archived without action with a comment "per Hugh's comment above these weren't RFC's. There appears to be no reason to apply closes." Hugh (talk) 17:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I understand well Citizens United (organization) is in scope, but I did not edit it; not so obvious to me is that a US Supreme Court case, Citizens United v. FEC is in scope, and even less obvious to me is that a WP:MOS issue with an abbreviation in an article title is in scope. I did not edit Citizens United v. FEC article space; I weighed in to an ongoing article talk discussion regarding an issue of style in favor of expanding the abbreviation in the title of the article from FCC to Federal Communications Commission for the benefit of our readers. I believe in good faith that this comment is specifically authorized by the bullet 4 of WP:TBAN, which empowers conscientious topic banned editors to continue to contribute to our project, including to those parts of articles which are not within scope. The style issue of whether or not to disambiguate FCC in the title of the article cannot be considered by reasonable persons to be directly related to American conservative politics. If a consensus of my colleagues agree I am mistaken, I will gladly apologize to the community and strike through. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 00:13, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you to my good colleague Fyddlestix for their prodigious accounting below, it means a lot to me, thank you for your time. At this time I would add just one diff: an administrator of our project asking the complainant to cease his harassment 18 October 2015; my preference would be a separate filing focused on complainant's harassment. Thanks again. Hugh (talk) 06:15, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by JzG

There's no love lost between me and HughD, but I fail to see anything actionable in the diffs provided. Guy (Help!) 01:41, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Ricky81682

While the request to close the RFC on a violating page is a violation to me, I'll agree with EdJohnston that striking the comment is sufficient. Citizens United is one of the key decisions that relate to Tea party politics and to conservative politics 2009 onward, so I agree that it's also a significant violation and hopefully striking the comment will be sufficient too. As to point 5 under the previous sanctions, those types of antics are typical for HughD in response to sanctions and while annoying personally and while I would just prefer HughD bringing his/her concerns here, the refusal to do so is not a violation of any sanctions. Absent that, I think more aggressive blocks are necessary. HughD did not discuss or specifically dispute the sanctions directly and instead badgered me enacting them without a direct request that they be re-considered. This kind of WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior has not lessened as time as passed. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:55, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fyddlestix I agree that Springee's actions are sub-optimal to put it mildly. HughD at least seems to be trying to calm that down by making a fair request that Springee's comments on HughD's talk page will not be responded (which is his right) and Springee seems more intent on antagonizing him. I was just alerted to possible canvassing concerns by Springee by User:Scoobydunk who has in the past been against Springee's conduct and say pro-the side of HughD (not directly in favor but you get my point). The problem is being used by either side to get the other side banned for political reasons (or let's say to allow for or to stop editing that would either improve or worsen how these articles look if one was a partisan actor, not that anyone is). It's pure WP:BATTLEGROUND antics all around. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:12, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Springee As I stated on my talk page, this and this does not help this ARE discussion. I'd suggest you immediately stop anything further about it and drop it. As to anything further, a separate AE request could be made about Springee but that's best for another day. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:57, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

William M. Connolley That conduct is standard behavior for HughD whenever he is engaged in an RFC, namely removal and reorganization of the comments of others, and repeated responses with passive-aggressive statements hounding some, thanking others and requesting that they depersonalize or deescalate or whatever the situation. I was first involved with HughD and enacted the first sanctions due to his conduct and chaos at two dual simultaneous RFCs at Talk:Americans for Prosperity for the same request which involved not just one extensive ANI discussion but two of them at the same time. The same issues persist since August. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:49, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Springee

HughD has clearly been testing limits for a while. On Dec 22nd-23rd this editor violated the 3RR rule [[45]]. HughD is particularly bad about engaging in topic page discussions vs acting on the article page. I have had a number of disagreements with HughD. They boil down to both a bludgeoning attitude and a refusal to engage on the talk page and gain consensus vs just acting. Even when he is posting on the talk page his comments are often not meant to discuss. Since I'm far from an uninvolved editor my views should be seen as such. I would suggest Ricky's POV be given a lot of weight in this discussion. HughD is an editor who will certainly push the rules again and badger admins again if he is unhappy with rulings against him. Springee (talk) 04:14, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Fyddlestix: Please note that since the unsuccessful ANI was brought against me regarding HughD I have largely not interacted with him on any work. The only direct editorial interactions I've had are related to his attempt to improperly include a Mother Jones article into a large number of WP articles ("The Dirty Dozen of Climate Change" which HughD has inserted into about a dozen articles") which dates to before the failed ANI in question. Hence you are seeing a large number of interacting WP pages though they are all related to a single topic. Looking thought my edit history since October (ie about the last two months) I see only three editorial interactions for all of November and all were related HughD attempting to reinsert a MJ reference against the limited consensus of a NPOVN and RSN discussion in three of the previous articles [46],[47],[48]. All edits done without talk page discussions on HughD's part. The talk page interactions here [49] are again related to the attempted insertion of the same MJ article. You will find the same thing with the December interactions. My posts on his talk page recently (other than the two notices which are required) was short and simply asked him to self revert a 4RR posting. If there were a large number of interactions on new subjects I would agree with Fyddlestix views (I think Fyddlestix is a very level headed editor) however, in this case the interactions have been limited to a single, previous topic which HughD has inserted into many WP articles. Springee (talk) 08:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Fyddlestix

I've been watching these two users interact for a while, and am getting increasingly uncomfortable with the extent to which Springee seems to be out to get HughD.

Springee has reported HughD to various noticeboards multiple times [50][51][52][53][54] and has himself been previously reported at ANI for hounding HughD [55]. There's also the issue of Springee having followed HughD to a large number of pages [56][57][58][59][60][61][62][63][64][65][66][67][68][69][70][71][72] very often to either revert or tag one of HughD's edits within a few hours of it being made. There would be even more examples there if I were to include talk pages, such as this review of one of Hugh's GA's, which I can't fathom how Springee would have come across other than by stalking HughD's contributions. Note also that HughD recently banned Springee from his talk page [73], and that Springee has since made three posts to Hugh's talk [74][75][76] (2 of these were a notice of Springee creating a noticeboard report against HughD).

I have no comment on Hugh's recent edits/actions (I've tried pretty hard to tune the squabbling of these two users out), but it's clear to me at this point that Springee is just not going to be satisfied until they succeed in getting HughD blocked. Personally I believe an IBAN is way past due here, but that's up to the admins - I'm posting now just to make sure that commenting admins are aware of the long-running animosity between these two users, as I believe it's relevant context here. Fyddlestix (talk) 05:40, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Arthur Rubin

This is not the first (or, second, or, third) time Hugh has pushed the edge of his topic ban(s). If he had struck the comments among his first actions after (or, preferably, before) commenting here, I would recommend against further enforcement action on this complaint, in spite of the fact that I feel his edits are harmful to Wikipedia's neutrality. However, he only offered to strike; he hasn't yet done so. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:38, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by William M. Connolley

I don't have an opinion on this request, but I draw any interested admin's attention to recent edits at Talk:ExxonMobil; here seems as good a place as any William M. Connolley (talk) 19:11, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I also offer [77] as an example of HD's bad faith, and how difficult he is to get on with William M. Connolley (talk) 22:57, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by NewsAndEventsGuy

Having noticed HughD's combative attitude at Talk:ExxonMobil, on 20:13, January 1, 2016 I added a query on that page, whether edits of those sort would be barred by a TBan on conservative US politics? I didn't name Hugh, but of course I was trying to inspire a collaborative approach. Regrettably, the comment Hugh left two days later on WMC's page (which william linked above) shows Hugh being unwilling play nice in the area of climate disinformation/denial, of which abundant RSs link to conservative side of contemporary US politics. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:43, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

PS I just realized the HughD is the good article reviewer for Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand; Meanwhile, looking at just the lead at Climate change denial, we find three instances of the word "conservative", associating climate denial/skepticism with conservative politics. seems like this editor is still finding ways to violate the Tban on conservative politics. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:58, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

HUGHD HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG. As stated below, he's been open minded about his topic ban. Frankly, everyone else here should be banned from ExxonMobil. William Connolley has too much of a climate change denial bias to effectively edit the topic.

Result concerning HughD

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Both of the edits listed above appear to be violations of HughD's topic ban. Terms of the ban are stated stated in DSLOG. "...that ban has been redefined and expanded to cover everything related to conservative US politics from 2009 to the present, broadly construed until August 28, 2016.."The widening of the ban was enacted by User:Ricky81682 on 11 December.

Regarding the first diff: he is asking for someone to close an RfC about watchdog.org that he himself opened. It was technically OK for him to open the RfC on 8 December, but after 11 December he should be keeping hands off the RfC per the terms of his ban.
Regarding the second diff: Citizens United (organization) is included in Category:New Right organizations (United States) so it is related to conservative US politics. The court case discussed was decided in 2010 so this is covered by conservative US politics from 2009 to the present. HughD's point about Bluebook citations might be OK if made elsewhere, so long as it were not made on the talk page of a court case he is banned from discussing.

I recommend that HughD offer to cure his ban violation by striking out both of the comments named in this request. EdJohnston (talk) 17:18, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This editor seems receptive to guidance as to whether the two subject edits violated the topic-ban. I believe they did, but in view of his comments, I believe that pointing this out and cautioning against a recurrence is a sufficient response. I don't think the editor should be required to strike out the two comments, though; I understand that that would be a gesture of compliance with the topic-ban, but the net result would be to call more, not less, attention to the comments that shouldn't have been made and that I trust won't be made again. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:20, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Calling HughD 'receptive to guidance' would be an optimistic conclusion given the debates he has engaged in at User talk:Ricky81682. Nonetheless HughD has made a statement above suggesting that he won't continue. So I'd be OK with closing this with a warning to HughD to make no more edits like the two diffs cited at top of this complaint. EdJohnston (talk) 04:20, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kachelus

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Request concerning Kachelus

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Ricky81682 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 19:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Kachelus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Longevity#Motion:_Longevity_.28August_2015.29 :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

This editor is a long-term WP:SPA who's involvement at Wikipedia since September 2009 is (almost all) editing longevity articles. Discretionary sanctions are warranted against accounts that have a "clear shared agenda" such as those who consistently edit articles, and vote in AfDs to favor the position of the Gerontology Research Group, as opposed to the goals of Wikipedia. This is that type of editor.

August 20, 2014 and June 29, 2014: Example of the typical editing by Kachelus which is of typical hyper-technical listcruft for the WOP tables, revising location of an alleged supercentenarian with no source provided (one being a edit summary to a random obscure GRG subpage with zero evidence for its credibility).
December 19, 2015 Restoration of the nonsense that claims are "unverified" when they are classified as "unverified" under the GRG as opposed to when they are unverified as meant under WP:V. This has been well settled since August 2015.
December 20, 2015 Reverting at Australian page to again assert GRG's "verified" status as opposed to what Wikipedia cares about.
December 30, 2015 In an AFD, demands that "First create a list on wikipedia with all verified dead supercentenarians in a sortable table, sortable to gender, to year of death, to place of death, and then all the other lists could be merged or deleted. But not the other way round, because in this way there is danger of losing information in case of being not installed of the big table. So I wait for the big table." showing a complete disassociation for what is useful and productive here.

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Kachelus As was suggested with respect to 930310 above, if you have any concerns about Legacypac, please propose a section here that explicitly explains the issues. It did no good in the section above and it will do no good here either. As to Ollie231213, I don't need to rehash the fact that a number of outside admins with no involvement in this area that agreed and supported the topic ban. If the same happens here, so be it. As to your editing, first, the issue is that the GRG has those categories and yet Wikipedia discussion after discussion among people who work on the entire encyclopedia and not the supercentenarian hobbyists have found the GRG unverified claims as not reliable sources. There have been numerous RFCs and debates on this policy with clear-cut support against the vast minority viewpoint that the GRG needs to be separately distinguished in any way. If you don't agree with that, fine but those views are considered disruptive and counter-productive here. It is not your opinions per se but the fact that your opinions reflect a complete disregard for the fundamentals behind Wikipedia's sourcing policy here with such things as demands to create a directory of supercentenarians before even considering deleting anything here that are problematic. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:35, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Statement by Kachelus

Ok firstly sorry I have to say you are wrong, Ricky81682 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). In English wikipedia my main itenerary is longevity, yes, in other Wikipedias it is amateur soccer, politics, history and geography, but these are things you didn't know. So long-term WP:SPA is only partly true, because this topic is only dealt in English wikipedia. Over the years I tried to get the several lists in this topic to a similar content and show the correct historic names of regions about 110 years ago if they were not already written in these lists. In Wikipedia is not only GRG a source, several other media also reported supercentenarians I showed. Unfortunately GRG did not prove them, but that is not my fault when wikipedia lists made differences between verified, pending and unverified cases — it was not me who introduced that. I just want to keep information on wikipedia before people wish to remove them for reasons we cannot really understand. Over the years no one concerned about that, just now, I don't know why. But now I understand your wish to ban everyone who is not on your opinion (e.g. Ollie231213) and I think that is not what Wikipedia stands for. Legacypac nominates for AfD, and you wish to ban editors who have the opposite opinion (keeping), sorry that is not the way I want to waste my free-time for arguing against, I am not paid for that. Do, what you wish to do and be lucky with that. I wish you a very Happy New Year!--Kachelus (talk) 23:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Mystery Wolff

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Request concerning Mystery Wolff

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: AlbinoFerret (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 21:48, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Mystery Wolff (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Editor conduct in e-cigs articles#4.3.2 :

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12/26/2015 Removal of long standing MEDRSsourced (review) material.
12/26/2015 Placed primary source on a medical claim.
12/30/2015 Reverts back in stray letter and leaves it in.
12/30/2015 Reverts to remove long standing MEDRS sourced material and reinsert primary source.
12/31/2015 Places edit warring template for single reverts in 24 hours.
1/1/2016 Reverts to remove long standing MEDRS sourced material again.
1/2/2016 Removal of long standing MEDRS sourced material again
1/2/2016 Leaves another edit warring message on my talk page for one revert in 24 hours.

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Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 11/29/2015
Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 12/19/2015 by Spartaz (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Removed 12/22/2015

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Mystery wolf is a disruptive SPA. Over their editing history, only 1 edit is not on the topic of e-cigarettes. The insertion of primary sources was discussed here.[78] Mystery Wolff did not have consensus to insert the material. Kingsindian even offered to help Mystery Wolff gain consensus. He also is removing long standing material from the page that is sourced to a MERDS source, a review. I have tried to discuss this.[79]. Rather than discuss Mystery Wolff reverted again today. The claim can be found in the source here [80] Page 5 in the middle column starting with "Recent studies have demonstrated that nicotine from electronic cigarettes also deposits on indoor surfaces" and going into the next column. The removal of sourced material without consensus is disruptive.

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Kingsindian, I dont think you did anything wrong, in fact I applaud you for trying to help. The sad thing is, he didnt listen or take you up on your offer to help. Instead he just kept being disruptive. AlbinoFerret 07:16, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mystery Wolff here are the facts.

You are trying to remove long standing material. The material was recently moved over from Safety of electronic cigarettes when Electronic cigarette aerosol and e-liquid was made a true daughter page per consensus[81] the entire Aerosol section was moved over and then eliquid was merged in.[82] The removed line was added in March 2015 to Safety.[83]
The source is listed as a review by Pubmed. Go here[84], click on Publication Types and see for yourself.
There may be a controversy between the sources. But what you cant do is remove one source, a review which is a secondary source, and replace it with a primary one. Per MW's own words, my bold, "AlbinoFerret reverted the follow-up study" it is a primary source.

If you disagree with a policy or guideline, you cant ignore it. You cant just edit contrary to it. PAG (policies and guidelines) have broad community consensus. You can try and have them changed, but you cant ignore them. I also think that you are trying to bring WP:TRUTH to the articles. AlbinoFerret 13:00, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Statement by Mystery Wolff

New editors have the right to be treated with respect and civility. AlbinoFerret asserts in this AE that I am disruptive SPA, labeling me a such as if it is a fact. The first time I interacted with AlbinoFerret when he and S Marshall where telling me to not interact with QuackGuru because he would topic banned, in relationship to an ARB on S Marshall. The next day SMcCandlish requested to Lankiveil that the Alert be posted on my Talk page, and L235 did the follow-through. All 4 of these editors involved with the historical context of the previous ARBs and AEs on Electronic Cigarettes. My edits were not being questioned as much as the discussion pages, talking about edits before edits were done.
AlbinoFerret then posted in defense of S Marshalls edits on my TALK page and said the ECIG article was being edited as it should. He then threatened to bring me to here to the AE panel and report me as disruptive SPA. SPA is defined as a negative term, especially as used. He said I was in violation of the ARB.
Amoungst other things taking up the suggestion of EdJohnston, I pinged the ARB and asked the article be put into full protection because after the topic ban of QuackGuru a blizzard of edits were being put in, and on the ones I objected to, I was told by S Marshall he would simply move on. I made the point one editor puts in 10 edits every day, any other editor objecting to the change by BRD would be FORCED into an edit war.
After that suggestion of FP of the article, AlbinoFerret made good on his assertion, and created an AE on me. Not for my edits, but rather for what I was saying in TALK, and for requesting FP.
As usual for wrongly accused, I represented myself, did not understand the AE process, drew ire for TLDR, and worked through the process. All the while editing the articles and having my edits in the articles reviewed and the majority unchallenged. My edits are helpful, and useful.
AblinoFerret when he created the AE on me went out to most of the editors and notified them on their TALK pages. I thought that was simply a way to drive home his point of calling me disruptive SPA. [85] [86]
The much of the linage and timeline of the above can be view on my own TALK page.

After the outcome AlbinoFerret went to immediately threaten another AE against me, on Spartaz TALK page. Sparta took no involvement in that at all. A sockpuppet came out of cloak reverted me, the same sock was active during my previous AE critical of me, DeltaQuad banned them and reverted their REVERT of my edit that AlbinoFerret was complaining about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Spartaz#Do_I_need_to_open_a_new_AE_section.3F Regarding this case now, I took the step of Edit Warring Warning AlbinoFerret here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AlbinoFerret AlbinoFerret did not accept the warning as valid. Threaten an AE, INSTEAD OF ANY OTHER DISPUTE RESOLUTION

I believe this AE request by AF to be an abuse of process, predicated on wanting to control the pages in question, and edit with editors that share the ideas on what the pages should be. I believe the goal is to remove me from editorship, and to reinvigorate S Marshal to do editing with him again. I wonder out loud why AF is involved with all these ARBs and AEs, and the premise is the entire problem with the articles is being attributed to QuackGuru.
This AE is entirely premised on an ongoing TALK discussion of the edits I warned AF about. I have now been accused of being a liar, in relationship to those edits. I am not. Putting this to AE is completely inappropriate and skips all the steps. AF follow through with his threat of AE, but its is not the right thing, it skips all the normal DS steps, and makes this AE an arbitrator of content discussion, that are in process. NOTHING in this AE is even a claim against the Discretionary Sanctions, its simply that the AF thinks my edits are wrong.

Its a good edit I stand behind. There is no explanation of how this violates the ARB. The AE requires that to be explained.
Its a good edit I stand behind. There is no explanation of how this violates the ARB. Primary is not a code word for can not be used, per WP guidelines. The AE requires the violation to be explained.
This is part of a two part revert for a single item, where a stray character prevented. How does this violate the DS?
I am undoing here AlbinoFerret that REVERTED 5 of my edits. Each had an explanation when put in 4 days earlier. I warned AlbinoFerret for edit waring. How is this a violation of the DS. I am using the proper process.
I place a warning for edit warring on the above 5 edits. HOW is this a violation of the ARB? I AM TRYING TO RESOLVE A CONTENT DISPUTE. This is really frustration to see this as an AE item. Its not a violation, its me trying to deal with an editor who owns the page.
This is not really a revert. Its me deleting a sentence for the reasons I describe. I stand behind the edit....and I am in process of doing that within the ARTICLEs TALK. This is not a violation of the AE. Nor is a reason explained why it is.
This item is me Reverting AlbinoFerret who had reverted me. Please note I did not take it to an edit war. I also said to take the discussion to TALK. This is being listed as a violation of the ARB. It is not. Its a goodfaith effort to resolve the item.
This is not another edit warring warning, its the same one. I stand behind what I was saying. HOW is this a violation of the ARB. I just had 7 items reverted by AlbinoFerret and I am trying to resolve it....per WP processes.

Next AF refers to the previous AE. Additional section remarks: I am not a disruptive SPA. When he says I have only edited 1 other article, that number is wrong. AF is asserting I need to have approval to put in any content, that is NOT true. I agree my edits need to be done properly in all respects. I am saying the sourced cite does not make the claims as written into Wikipedia, and I stand behind that and it needs to be resolved in TALK and not inserted into the AE option of AF's first resort. I have NOT edit warred, and I am working the processes to resolve it before I get sucked in. Removal of a sentence that I am asserting is not sourced correctly....and then taking it to TALK....his last line in his comments....IS NOT "disruptive" it is an editor simply trying to improve the article. Geeez. I have to show this edit was important enough now in the TALK page, an step where I have been accused of being a liar in that TALK page. So I have an interest in presenting why I did that the edit. But that should be in TALK and not this AE.

Lastly: I took Kingsindian up on his offer to put the questions of MEDRS being only and always from Primary....to find a forum or board to take that too. I am having a dialogue with him on the TALK page. I expect both of us are not doing this full time or anything. So when AlbinoFerret says I did not listen, that its sad, and uses my interaction with another editor to make his claim here, its insult to injury.

TLDR: Consider the negative effects that come from this AE board being misused by AlbinoFerret. Consider how much an editor like me has to jump through hoops to just edits these pages. Please understand that I want to edit the pages I am editing, but I have not intention of doing that improperly or violation the rules. Being Bold should not be gamed by myself or others. It is not helpful to threaten the AE on people. If all other DS methods fail then sure take it to AE. The case in point never made it out of the TALK pages. Why are sockpuppets and editors who are unrelated to the articles coming in and reverting my edits????? Why is AlbinoFerret telling me about boomerangs when I keep my stance in the TALK pages.
The talk discussion has not even finished to the set of edits. If I don't get satisfaction after that I was going to take Kingsindian up on next steps. If my edits get sustained, then other editors can escalated it in Dispute Resolution. Why are we doing this now? This is really a harsh atmosphere for editing and you can see the reduction of editors because of the threats of AE on editors. I HAVE NOT LIED, OR CREATED FAIRY TALES as has been asserted by William M. Connolley https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:William_M._Connolley&diff=prev&oldid=698000777 If this is to be an AE, there should be something being asserted that is violation of sanctions, look at the 8 lines by AlbinoFerret, is there even one that explains to the AE the violations? A line from the movie CLERKS.....I am not even supposed to be working today! Mystery Wolff (talk) 14:56, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsindian: I have responded in detail on the TALK here: [87]. In a nutshell to the sentence, it is undue weight, premised upon an Opinion article published talking only to the Debate, and public policy. See abstract here [88] When I say its OR by the cite, this is why. It is not a review. There is a larger question on MEDRS and application in WP that I may ask for help on creating a proper venue for a discussion, that will be after I see how this all goes. MEDRS is being used as some sort of stamp of approval of content, however its not. Its a protocol for inclusion in articles, it is not a mandate that information be put into articles. In this case the Opinion article formed new conclusions, by combining outdated sources, and conflating two different scientific topics in its presentation. Specifically it took information on SMOKE, and combined it with VAPOR, as if combustible cigarette smoke is a perfect corollary to vapor products. Its OR is within the sentence that starts with THUS.

Again cite is an opinion piece speaking to the public policy. The WP sentence is premised in significant part on this sentence. "Recent studies have demonstrated that nicotine from electronic cigarettes also deposits on indoor surfaces79 and is absorbed by non-users.80,81" AlbinoFerret reverted the follow-up study of source 79, the followup refutes the original. The follow-up is reviewed by the FDA. Sources 80 and 81 both speak exclusively airborne, which is called 2nd Hand, and NOT 3rd hand, which is the topic here. The article itself is on public policy.

I am using the premise of properly using sources to avoid junk science from injecting itself into WP....and that is the entire basis of MEDRS. Having hours of work reverted by an editor, who drops in, and then out, seemingly for end-arounding of 3RR, and then calling me a liar, is not fun. We can have a debate about nurture vs nature, and subject matter expertise vs WP editing chops in a different forum than an AE, and that would be a good discussion to have. 3rd hand exposure is surfaces, the sentence removed is talking about inhalation...its a strong clue to why the sentence should be removed, I just did the work to confirm it. The argument of AlbinoFerret amounts to, it was included once, it must be right, and that would mean that no WP article could ever be improved. Mystery Wolff (talk) 07:44, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Kingsindian

My involvement in this issue is simply to try to help out a new editor with WP bureaucracy. A serious charge of source misrepresentation has been made against MW. I have no knowledge about the topic, so I will simply wait for MW to respond specifically to this point. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 22:42, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Mystery Wolff: I simply want to hear from you the reason for the edit summary in this edit. You said that the source didn't support the sentence, while it seems to me virtually a copy paste from there. Could you explain? Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 16:10, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My own viewpoint is that MW is acting in good faith, but their actions are disruptive. "Source is engaging in OR" makes no sense in Wikipedia's definition of OR. What MW seems to be saying is that the source made a tentative comment, regarding risks, not directly having to do with e-cigarettes, which the article includes too uncritically. That is indeed a valid point of view, which a couple of people on the talk page also seem to find reasonable. I have no comment on the AE request in general, but would recommend that MW stop editing this section altogether, till consensus is found. I promise to work with them to draft a RfC for this. There is no need to hurry, there is no deadline. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 13:40, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Athenean

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Request concerning Athenean

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Mondiad (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:07, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Athenean (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Macedonia#Discretionary_sanctions :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

November 2, 2015 Called a scholars’ work garbage, while voting on a certain issue. The scholar in question, Kristaq Prifti, is a reliable source, and is the head of the Institute of History of Albania. The edit is in breach of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL.
December 25th, 2015 Removed user:Resnjari’s comments from the talk page without an edit summary. The edit itself was perhaps a mistake in good faith, but, the one following is in breach of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL, and WP:BATTLEGROUND.
December 25th, 2015 Told Resnjari that this was an edit conflict, called Resnjari paranoid, and said that Resnjari's comments were rants, after Resnjari had reacted and reverted such action [89]. Athenean's edit is in breach of WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL, and WP:BATTLEGROUND.
January 1, 2016. Called a contributor an idiot, and his actions idiocy twice, during an SPI investigation, questioning her sexuality, background, and ethnicity. Again in breach of WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL, and WP:BATTLEGROUND.

The above are some examples as to how this user several times doesn’t show respect for neither the sources used in wiki, nor for wiki users. Athenean is active in the Balkans-related topics, and I think he needs some cooling off from the Balkans area for some time and reflect about his behavior. He has been a wikipedian for a long time and may know that a cool head is way more productive. He is in clear breach of WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL. His battleground behavior puts him in breach of WP:BATTLEGROUND. Some sanctioning may be useful in decreasing the harassment that other users are feeling because of Athenean's recent activity in wiki.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Athenean is not new to feuds with Albanian editors. The above two warnings/bans were a reflection of similar activities that Athenean had committed in a delicate area such as the Balkans. Even though a long time has passed from these bans, it seems like Athenean is back to his older self, where his activity in wiki led to the bans.

11 September 2010 Both Athenean and ZjarriRrethues were admonished and warned; and the interaction between the two was banned.
22 March 2011 Both Athenean and ZjarriRrethues were subject to an interaction ban and cautioned.
Athenean had 3 blocks in the past

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2 May 2010 by Stifle (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
7 May 2010 by The Wordsmith (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
30 September 2010 by Timotheus Canens (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) .
22 March 2011 by HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

User was notified. [90].--Mondiad (talk) 20:10, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion concerning Athenean

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Statement by Athenean

This is a rather desperate and frivolous attempt by Mondiad to have me banned simply because he doesn't like me. He deliberately misconstrues and exaggerates for effect.

The first diff refers to the work The Truth on Kosova, by one Kristaq Prifti. I have never heard of this person, but the work itself is typical nationalist historiography in the service of nation-building, which I frankly consider garbage. As you can imagine, there is no shortage of such works in the Balkans, and I have very little time for this kind of stuff. However, this is not a personal attack against any wikipedia contributor, nor was it intended to be.
The second diff was a result of an edit conflict. I certainly did not mean to remove Resnjari's comments, it just happened as a result of the edit conflict. I was annoyed at the assumption of bad faith by Resnjari, who thought I was deliberately trying to remove his comments. However, that was just a misunderstanding that ended there. That someone would try to use this against me is laughable, and a sign of just how desperate Mondiad is to have me sanctioned.
Regarding the third diff, I am referring to this comment [91] by User:MorenaReka (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), whom I am certain is the latest sock of Sulmues (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), a prolific sockpuppeteer that has done tremendous damage to the encyclopedia over the years. Quite frankly, I find the statement "being hysterical is a disease, and affect especially women" extremely sexist and idiotic, as well as suspicious. And socks of users in bad standing (which MorenaReka almost certainly is - I have dealt with dozens of Sulmues socks) are not entitled to the same courtesy as regular contributors.

I am a very experienced contributor in Balkan articles, with thousands of edits and several GAs under my belt. This is a very difficult area to edit in, plagued by nationalist WP:POVWARRIORS, trolls, sockpuppets, and the like. As you can imagine, discussions do get heated some times, but in general I do me best to keep a cool head. None of the above diffs are what Mondiad claims them to be. I have a pretty clean record, (spotless as of the last 4-5 years, in fact). This is in contrast to Mondiad, who is quite rude and incivil himself (Yes, this is what they taught you in school Greek racism and xenophobia are well-known) and was recently blocked for edit-warring [92]. To sum up, this is a frivolous request and an attempt to game the system by someone who opposes me. The fact that Mondiad went digging as far back as 2010 is indicative of the desperation level of this request. If anything, Mondiad should be admonished for filing a frivolous request and attempting to game the system. Athenean (talk) 20:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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 ====Statement by Athenean====
+This is a rather desperate and frivolous attempt by Mondiad to have me banned simply because he doesn't like me. He deliberately misconstrues and exaggerates for effect.
+* The first diff refers to the work [https://books.google.com/books?id=YBq5AAAAIAAJ&q=%22Balsha+family%22+-llc&dq=%22Balsha+family%22+-llc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CFMQ6AEwCDgKahUKEwjE6ePjyvLIAhWHXD4KHcizA0M The Truth on Kosova], by one Kristaq Prifti.  I have never heard of this person, but the work itself is typical nationalist historiography in the service of nation-building, which I frankly consider garbage. As you can imagine, there is no shortage of such works in the Balkans, and I have very little time for this kind of stuff.  However, this is not a personal attack against any wikipedia contributor, nor was it intended to be.
+* The second diff was a result of an edit conflict.  I certainly did not mean to remove Resnjari's comments, it just happened as a result of the edit conflict.  I was annoyed at the assumption of bad faith by Resnjari, who thought I was deliberately trying to remove his comments.  However, that was just a misunderstanding that ended there. That someone would try to use this against me is laughable, and a sign of just how desperate Mondiad is to have me sanctioned.
+* Regarding the third diff, I am referring to this comment [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ATurco-Albanians&type=revision&diff=696749514&oldid=696724184] by {{userlinks|User:MorenaReka}}, whom I am certain is the latest sock of {{userlinks|Sulmues}}, a prolific sockpuppeteer that has done tremendous damage to the encyclopedia over the years.  Quite frankly, I find the statement "being hysterical is a disease, and affect especially women" extremely sexist and idiotic, as well as suspicious. And socks of users in bad standing (which MorenaReka almost certainly is - I have dealt with dozens of Sulmues socks) are not entitled to the same courtesy as regular contributors.
+I am a very experienced contributor in Balkan articles, with thousands of edits and several GAs under my belt.  This is a very difficult area to edit in, plagued by nationalist [[WP:POVWARRIORS]], trolls, sockpuppets, and the like.  As you can imagine, discussions do get heated some times, but in general I do me best to keep a cool head.  None of the above diffs are what Mondiad claims them to be. I have a pretty clean record, (spotless as of the last 4-5 years, in fact).  This is in contrast to Mondiad, who is quite rude and incivil himself ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAo%C3%B6s&type=revision&diff=689756623&oldid=689755754 Yes, this is what they taught you in school] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ATurco-Albanians&type=revision&diff=696490445&oldid=696466833 Greek racism and xenophobia are well-known]) and was recently blocked for edit-warring [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AMondiad].  To sum up, this is a frivolous request and an attempt [[WP:GAME|to game the system]] by someone who opposes me.  The fact that Mondiad went digging as far back as 2010 is indicative of the desperation level of this request. If anything, Mondiad should be admonished for filing a frivolous request and attempting to game the system. [[User:Athenean|Athenean]] ([[User talk:Athenean|talk]]) 20:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
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