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The result was redirect‎ to Tangerine Dream. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bernhard Beibl

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:NBASIC. Only claim to fame is being a member of Tangerine Dream. Notability is not inherited. TarnishedPath^talk 07:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Tangerine Dream: Searches are not finding evidence to demonstrate the subject has attained individual notability. A WP:BANDMEMBER redirect seems a reasonable outcome. AllyD (talk) 13:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no issue with a Redirect to Tangerine Dream. TarnishedPath^talk 10:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Defiant (band)

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A newly created band consisting of notable members fails to establish independent notability. I tried, but couldn't find significant coverage in third-party reliable sources. A Google News search yielded some sources, but they mostly consist of passing mentions or routine coverage. IMO, it fails to meet the criteria outlined in WP:NBAND and is a possible case of WP:NOTINHERITED. GSS ^💬 07:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep meets WP:BAND#C6, coverage in the Boston Globe and Phoenix New Times. Mach61 08:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt these sources discuss the band in detail; rather, they likely provide routine coverage. GSS ^💬 08:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GSS why are you writing this as if you haven't actually read the linked articles Mach61 17:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's your assumption; nothing else. Could you explain how the sources you mentioned above satisfy WP:INDEPTH? GSS ^💬 17:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GSS The New Times piece is over 1000 words long Tangential:INDEPTH links to WP:Notability (events), which is obviously not applicable in this case. Perhaps you caught a case of WP:UPPERCASE? Mach61 18:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
⁤I agree that the article is lengthy, but it seems to lack sufficient independent focus on the band itself. ⁤⁤Throughout this article, the band's name is mentioned only five times, excluding the title and image description, and often in passing. ⁤⁤It's quite normal to receive such attention in the media when the subject is linked to notable people. ⁤⁤However, as of now, since the band was formed, it hasn't achieved anything notable. ⁤⁤They have released a few single and only one album, and that too on a non-notable label. ⁤⁤While the band has garnered some attention because of its notable founding members, this doesn't establish independent notability. Therefore, I would say it's too soon for an independent article until the band becomes independently notable. GSS ^💬 04:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GSS Your statement that Throughout this article, the band's name is mentioned only five times, excluding the title and image description, and often in passing} is nonsensical, the term "passing mention" refers to coverage 1-2 sentences long in an article. Obviously, an article about the band is not a passing mention of them.

Your statement that the band hasn't "achieved" anything notable is just an opinion; I've already shown two sources covering them in detail Mach61 23:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Meets WP:NMUSIC#6 and #12 (featured on Jimmy Kimmel Live). I don't think the Boston Globe article meets SIGCOV because it only really states the band has formed and the members; the rest of it is about Barrett and the Bosstone's. However, the Phoenix New Times does meet SIGCOV with a nice overview of their debut album which in combination with the other criteria, gets it over the hump for me. S0091 (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joanna Sawyer

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Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NACTRESS. Article is cited excessively to self published and primary sources. Those few independent secondary references that are used only mention the subject in passing within cast lists and do not address the subject directly or in detail as required by GNG. No significant roles in television or film. No major theatre productions either. Seems to have worked only in minor regional theatre and touring productions. 4meter4 (talk) 01:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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agree - the subject of this article is not notable at all, and I agree the article should be deleted. איתן קרסנטי (talk) 07:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matt McCoy (worship leader)

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE on this previously unfootnoted article about a musician and church leader, and added two reviews of one of his albums. I have not found other coverage to add. I am not sure if one of the publications, CCM Magazine, is a reliable source, as its About says "The information in the post above may have been formatted to suit this website, but is not necessarily material originally created by, or exclusive to CCMmagazine.com", and no author is given. In any case, based on two reviews I do not think that the subject of the article is notable under WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. Tacyarg (talk) 00:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: all I can find are his website and various podcasts or streams featuring him. Good at promoting himself, I don't see musical notability though. Oaktree b (talk) 03:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not meet any criteria under WP:NMUSICIAN. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Can't find enough reliable coverage and available sources don't seem proper.Bradelykooper (talk) 08:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BLP. Whenever there is a BLP with controversy over political or religion, I want to see very significant coverage. Does not pass based on WP:NBAND, without evidence of touring or charting. Bearian (talk) 19:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prana (band)

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Non notable group. Just end up finding sources of other bands with the same name instead. GamerPro64 03:31, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not notable. Googled it, found a Malaysian band, an American female-fronted grunge band, but not this one.

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Delete: I'm only able to find once piece of coverage and it certainly doesn't describe them as 'one of the most acclaimed pioneers' of their genre. InDimensional (talk) 15:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 01:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noam Bettan

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A user posted about this on my talk page, wanting to remove the template. I've attempted to find any sort of coverage in RS, there doesn't appear to be any. Appears PROMO, with no charted singles or anything we'd use for musical notability standards. Oaktree b (talk) 03:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Sources are reliable even though they are in Hebrew and there is also a Hebrew version of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acartonadooopo (talk • contribs)
Delete per WP:PROMO, part of a network of questionable articles. Allan Nonymous (talk) 17:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Ready corrected the WP:PROMO and removed. Acartonadooopo (talk) 04:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Look like Acartonadooopo (talk · contribs) has COI issue. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 20:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Ready corrected the WP:PROMO and removed. Acartonadooopo (talk) 04:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I cannot find any source that can be suitable for this article, just promotional content and profiles. HarukaAmaranth ^春 _香 12:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment User:HarukaAmaranth His biography https://theselected.walla.co.il/item/3434789 Acartonadooopo (talk) 16:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per above! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 02:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: page on a young musician, apparently active only in Israel and Hebrew language so doesn't qualify per the criteria of Wikipedia:Notability (people) for the English WP. -- Deborahjay (talk) 18:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No independent coverage in RS. gidonb (talk) 13:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Salman

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Subject fails WP:NMUSICIAN. A member of The All Girl Band, she is not independently notable. Would redirect to that page but based on the edit history of a user sending to mainspace after multiple declines, I have a feeling we would be right back here anyway. CNMall41 (talk) 18:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete this AUTOBIO. Fails GNG and block SPA Emilydenver (talk · contribs) --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 19:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: no evidence of WP:SIGCOV, only trivial mentions. Contributor892z (talk) 05:39, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 01:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A-Plus (rapper)

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Fails WP:NMUSIC. Just because we have several articles about music produced by him does not make him notable, I find that he is not notable as a musician or a producer. Nagol0929 (talk) 15:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I haven't looked closely yet as to whether his article deserves to stay, but it seems to me a redirect to Souls of Mischief might be a better option than outright deletion... yes, I know he is part of Hieroglyphics (group) as well and therefore WP:XY may be considered here, but Hieroglyphics is all of Souls of Michief plus four other people, so he's still a part of Hieroglyphics as a member of Souls of Mischief. Richard3120 (talk) 16:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: He clearly passes WP:NMUSIC#C6 if he's part of two notable production groups. That doesn't mean we have to have a standalone article on him, just noting a discrepancy in the nom statement. Mach61 20:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep or merge to Souls of Mischief as he does have some individual reliable sources coverage such as an AllMusic staff bio here and a review of one of his 3 solo albums here, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete Other than the 2 sources provided by above editor, there are not enough reliable coverage and 2 of the sources are interviews.Bradelykooper (talk) 08:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect. None of the sources appear to be reliable, but a search of his name would go to the band's article, a compromise that we do sometimes. Bearian (talk) 14:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Bearian: AllMusic is a reliable source as per [[1]] and the bio and album review are not interviews as someone else claimed, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Atlantic306: the only problem is that AllMusic isn’t being used as a reference and all 3 of the references are interviews. Of those only 1 is about A-Plus. Nagol0929 (talk) 03:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have added the AllMusic sources as references, Atlantic306 (talk) 14:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There's a ton of sourcing (yes, from reliable sources) available on this guy in Google News and Books searches, over a period of decades. It's true that most of them are brief mentions, but with all of the info available, surely the article could be built out and sourced better than it is now. I had to get a little creative in looking for sources since "A plus" is such a generic term, but combining his name with "Hieroglyphics" or "Souls of Mischief" yields many good results. Fred Zepelin (talk) 19:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fred Zepelin may you link said results? Mach61 01:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Curtis

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Fails WP:SIGCOV and shows no real notability. Pretzelles (talk) 00:52, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as long-unsourced BLP, regardless of notability. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 02:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Note that the article had a two-paragraph biography until a couple of weeks ago, when an editor deleted it for being unsourced. From that old text we can see that this actor had some TV credits as a kid but has not acted since age 14 in 1990. I can find no significant coverage that covers his acting career in any encyclopedia way, and he can only be found in basic directory listings. After 1990 he was in some non-notable local bands and now works as a lesser-known studio producer, which in turn generated a self-promotion attempt in the old version of the article. None of this qualifies for Wikipedia. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. If an editor wants to work on this article in Draft or User space, contact me or make a request at WP:REFUND. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shane Valdez

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Almost no reliable sourcing on the page (mostly just discogs.com). Very little sourcing on this individual appears to be available. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 21:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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True, that was someone in indie filmmaking and this Shane Valdez is a punk musician. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:14, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails notability and WP:MUSICBIO. I was unable to find any additional news about this person. Maxcreator (talk) 03:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This looks like an attempted self-promotion to drum up new business for a very non-notable music career. He has been a temporary or short-term member of a long series of local bands, only one of which is semi-notable enough to have a WP article (Plankeye, and even they are iffy), and filled in the gaps by working as a road tech and amateur photographer. This has generated some basic credits at directory services, which make up most of the article's attempted citations, but he's never been anywhere close to notability. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments - this theoretically could pass WP:MUSICBIO based on allegations that he marketed "Vans shoes and the now defunct company Rimshot Drumsticks," and with the band "Bonesaw completed an eight-country European tour...." However, better sources must be found per WP:BLP. Right now, it needs to be blown up and many fixes made. Can it be userfied? Bearian (talk) 16:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clear case of self-promotion and meets WP:GNG. Delete. Go4thProsper (talk) 14:23, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cakka Nuraga

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Does not appear to meet the GNG, with relatively light sourcing mostly focusing on The Finest Tree. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 20:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Streaming sites are what i find, this appears PROMO. The sourcing used in the article now isn't the best Oaktree b (talk) 01:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - being on YouTube isn't automatic notability. If someone can find and insert better sources, it would be a HEY keep. Bearian (talk) 16:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the article was started in 2013 by a very low edit short duration editor, and just this month edited by an editor using the name of the article. I would have voted delete, but the edit history doesnt help - as the entity/subject still exists - Bearian suggestion of better sources, should get someone enthusiastic to check - preferably not by an editor with a user name same as the subject JarrahTree 05:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Faiz Karizi

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I couldn't find sources to show he meets WP:MUSICBIO / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 18:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 19:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I looked through some articles and books. There's an article from what looks like a predatory academic journal where he's mentioned as "renowned" in passing, and a self-published book which calls him a "popular Afghan folk singer". "Representations of exile in Afghan oral poetry and songs" (Belgheis Alavi Jafari and Liza Schuster, 2019) seems reliable, and find him important enough to use an example, but he's only mentioned as a songwriter belonging to the Afghan diaspora, and quoted once. An article in the Swedish newspaper sv:Tranås-Posten calls him a "major" artist, but only in passing. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in many ways far more notable than some of the people we explicitly want articles about, but I haven't found any sources which can actually be used to build an article. /Julle (talk) 21:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not verified, haven't found sources to prove that GNG is satisfied. Draken Bowser (talk) 07:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 05:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ataska Mercado

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Not yet notable per WP:ENTERTAINER, WP:NACTOR or WP:MUSICBIO. In a WP:BEFORE search I could find no significant coverage in reliable sources, apart from this review in the Manila Standard. Being a non-winning contestant on a reality TV series seems to be her main claim to fame, and her film and music careers haven't really taken off yet. WP:TOOSOON at best. Wikishovel (talk) 09:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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She rose to fame 2024 as VivaMax actress which is a famous app in the Philippines that shows adult content nationwide where she is recognized in her movies.

See Vivamax app background and reach here:

https://www.manilatimes.net/2021/08/25/entertainment-lifestyle/show-times/vivamax-hits-600000-subscribers-no-1-on-google-play-in-first-six-months/1812190/amp

See below references of her notable vivamax app movies performances:

https://www.pep.ph/pepalerts/cabinet-files/175244/vivamax-stars-joey-reyes-a734-20230816?s=d765687h8kgrf9g0km65269jeu

https://journalnews.com.ph/ataska-leaves-wholesome-image-for-a-dream/

See references below that must be used as motable instead of the voice kids but it made her a household name ehich is often referenced as the start of her career (see here as one of the many: https://mb.com.ph/2022/10/17/audiojunkie-sarah-geronimo-as-disco-queen-ataska-kyle-raphael-adda-cstr-chrstn-chelsea-ronquillo-and-the-real-kushin-drop/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.29.97.141 (talk) 09:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with those sources you've cited, like the ones cited in the article, is that they're either unreliable news blogs or only passing mentions in WP:Reliable sources. What's needed is significant coverage in reliable WP:Secondary sources to show notability. Wikishovel (talk) 09:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a reliable source as an active showbiz personality in the Philippines: http://www.vivaartistsagency.ph/project/ataska/

Pxsheng25 (talk) 09:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for logging back in. It's a reliable source, but not a WP:Secondary source. Wikishovel (talk) 09:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See this: https://www.viberate.com/artist/ataska/

Other article that make her recognizble is under her birth name ATASCHA CHLOE MERCADO:

https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/230110/whats-with-annie-being-staged-in-manila-in-18-year-intervals/amp/

120.29.97.141 (talk) 09:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please log back in. viberate.com is unreliable, and the inquirer.net reference is a passing mention. I hope you now see the pattern. Rather than posting references here, you're welcome to improve the article. Wikishovel (talk) 09:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will help improve the article

Kuyacontributor (talk) 10:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changes now applied to improve the page and claim notability

Kuyacontributor (talk) 07:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV. References provided above are to Mercado's talent agency which manage and market her career. It therefore lacks indpendence and cannot be considered reliable. No significant coverage found in independent secondary sources. Fails notability criteria.4meter4 (talk) 18:23, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:SIGCOV due to new Known For section on Infobox Kuyacontributor (talk) 00:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC) — Kuyacontributor (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep. Link sources below claim notability for this individual which is outside Mercado's talent agency and from verified pages that are part of Wikipedia. Articles below are not a passing mention and from reliable sources news.

Spotify ^[1] People's Journal ^[2] Abante ^[3] Manila Bulletin ^[4] DWNU ^[5] Showbiz Unlimited ^[6] Phoenix14344 (talk) 23:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC) — Phoenix14344 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

References

Please note that Spotify is not a WP:Reliable source, nor showbizportal.net (unconnected to Showbiz Unlimited). The journalnews.com.ph and wish1075 sources are short interviews with her, and interviews are a WP:Primary source. The mb.com.ph article mentions her briefly in a weekly singles roundup. Abante is a lurid tabloid: please note that Wikipedia also has articles on sources like the WP:DAILYMAIL and WP:NYPOST, but references from those aren't acceptable sources, especially for WP:Biographies of living persons. Wikishovel (talk) 05:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per pxsheng25 she is an accredited adult film actress in the Philippines.

SW DG 18:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SWDG: can you please explain what you mean by "accredited", and how that makes her notable enough by the Wikipedia guidelines listed in the nomination? Wikishovel (talk) 18:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

by accredited I simply mean that she is known and recognized for her work. I do understand you consider nearly all above sources to be primary or 'passing mentions' however a strong argument could be made that the manila times article referencing VivaMax's success at 600K downloads and being #1 on the play store could be attributed to Ataska's success in her career, thus establishing notability. SW DG 19:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It's true that the editors need to be more selective about reliable sources, and the article could certainly be improved, but that's the point: the article could be improved. It can't be if it's deleted. The AfD lister asked for improvement and it appears to be happening. rspεεr (talk) 18:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shinobu Ito (musician)

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Successful musician but I couldn't find sources to show he meets WP:MUSICBIO / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 21:38, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Agree with the nom here. At least in English, I can't find sources demonstrating sufficient notability aside from a couple of mentions where he has been a sideman and this review. Vladimir.copic (talk) 23:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. A rough consensus finally materialized after the last relist (thank you, Liz!). Owen× ☎ 13:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semzi

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Fails WP:GNG or WP:NPRODUCER. Sources are either passing mentions, interviews, PRs, or not even mentioning the subject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: I'm almost certain the award nominations are notable, but we still need better sourcing for more biographical information. Oaktree b (talk) 15:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More research would be done to support article with more sourcing for biographical information. The subject is quite a notable individual with just probably limited press publications ReoMartins (talk) 18:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ReoMartins Well, now you’re taking. As far as I know, there are a lot of notable people in real life who can’t a Wikipedia entry because they don’t meet the necessary Wikipedia notability criteria. Wikipedia’s notability is not exactly real world notability. The current status of this article doesn’t meet up, not that they’re not notable or influential in real life. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The subject does not meet any criteria outlined in WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. None of the sources cited in the article actually discuss the subject. His nominations at the Beatz Awards aren't enough to justify a stand-alone article. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 15:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep: I agree with Oaktree B that this is a weak keep due to the award nominations. His other sources are weak.Maxcreator (talk) 03:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: and mark as promised. Majority of the sources in the article doesn't meet SIGCOV and while the awards merits notability: it's still not much for a standalone entry on Wikipedia. I will remove some sources that didn't add to notability. For my vote (if draftified) can be marked as "promising", since there is a partial way to notability in the future! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/02/bad-boy-timz-is-one-of-nigerias-best-singers-ive-worked-with-semzi/amp/	Was talking about the subject	Vanguard is reliable per WP:NGRS	~ Much like an about music interview	~ Partial
https://guardian.ng/saturday-magazine/weekend-beats/producing-songs-for-davido-mayorkun-the-highlight-of-my-career-so-far-semzi/	Ditto	Guardian Nigeria is reliable per WP:NGRS	Normally, Weekend Beats sounds like PR	✘ No
https://the49thstreet.com/49th-exclusive-semzi/	Above	Blog sites	Interview and blog post	✘ No
https://pan-african-music.com/en/nigerian-producers-2022/	~ A list that mentions articles, more of featuring, no PR here	~ See editorial	List	✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/review-dj-consequence-vibes-from-the-future/jhle44r	No mention	Per WP:NGRS	No mention	✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/bad-boy-timzs-mj/	No mention	Ditto	No mention	✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/11/nicki-minaj-nas-ifeanyi-adeleke-feature-on-davidos-a-better-time-album/	No metion	Per above	No mention of the subject	✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/mayorkun-features-victony-on-holy-father/jbrp0lg	Ditto	See above	No mention	✘ No
https://www.okayafrica.com/joeboy-drops-new-music-album/	No mention	Okay Africa is reliable	Applied same as above	✘ No
https://www.morebranches.com/omah-lay-couples-with-more-emotions-on-the-deluxe-version-of-boy-alone/	No mention	Not a reliable source, blog or PR	Same as above	✘ No
https://guardian.ng/life/listen-ajebo-hustlers-featuring-fave-in-love/	Mention!	Why not?	More like PR—get away magazine mention; just mention	✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/bad-boy-timz-serves-new-visuals-for-faya-from-empires-where-we-come-from-vol-1-compilation-album/	Passing mention	Per WP:NGRS	Inherent mention	✘ No
https://www.max1023.fm/boy-spyce-releases-new-single-relationship/	Les or no mention	Max FM is a Lagos based television channel	Inherent notability only on Boy Source	✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/no-bad-boy-no-party-highlights-significant-moments-in-bad-boy-timzs-journey/	Passing mention	Culture custodian is a reliable source	Still on production. Inherent notability	✘ No
https://soundcity.tv/afropop-sensation-bad-boy-timz-unveils-debut-album-no-bad-boy-no-party/	Focuses on Bad Boy Time, a Nigerian artist	Sound City TV is a Nigerian television music channel	Focus lacking on the subject	✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/victony-features-14-artists-on-new-song-ohema/8988dbp	Passing mention	Like above	Doesn't meet notability	✘ No
https://randr.ng/nominations-list-the-beatz-award-2021/	List	Rhythm and Rhyme is a blog site	List	✘ No
https://thebeatzawards.com/winners-perfecto/	~ List	For the award but not for other citations	Being nominated doesn't mean notability. Per WP:ENT, the subject must have been nominated multiple times of a major award	✘ No
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Delete: After analysis of the source above, I was convinced of the many "passing mentions", "no mention" and more generated in citing sources relating to PR. Nothing to draftify again. It doesn't meet WP:THREE for sources, WP:GNG and WP:PRODUCER. Each of the sources either mention, or not at all, or about a music one of an artist he had worked for previously. Delete is the "best" alternative. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 13:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In one of the discussions and sources, it submits an evidence about this act who just recently co-produced a track that has over ten credible and notable artistes from Sub-Sahara Africa featured. These artistes have their wiki pages, I believe the professional who takes up the task to fuse these different acts into a single musical project is worthy of an article on Wikipedia as well. ReoMartins (talk) 13:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ReoMartins It is imperative for you to know that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason for you to think an article should be kept. You should also importantly see WP:INHERITED. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Liz, there is already a consensus here if by analysis of the arguments above. Isn't see the reason for relisting. Most importantly, the keep isn't strong enough or showed how the article meets inclusion. The source table can also be reviewed to see blatant addition of sources that doesn't mention the article. (Just a 'simpler' suggestion. ) — Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SafariScribe Hehe, if I was an administrator, I would have relisted this discussion too, so don't worry, Liz made the right decision. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vanderwaalforces, Sure. It's just that Liz doesn't take time analysing such deletions. Welp, it's good getting clearer consensus. — Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 14:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Safari Scribe, well, that's quite an insult I didn't expect to see when I was reviewing open AFD discussions tonight. I'll just leave this one for another closer to handle since you are unsatisfied with how I'm handling things. Again, this is a volunteer hobby, not a job and nothing obligates me to close or relist any AFD discussion but I try to use my best judgment. But I'll leave this one alone and someone else can eventually close it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Working with subjects that pass GNG is not enough to provide notability. While I see subject having some nominations, I fail to see WP:GNG or WP:NPRODUCER here by secondary sources.Tumbuka Arch (talk) 13:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 00:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yūka Kato

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Doesn't seem to meet WP:MUSICBIO / WP:GNG independent of the band, NMB48. A merge could overwhelm that article, particularly as this is an unreferenced BLP I don't think any of it should be copied over, though a redirect is a possible WP:ATD. Boleyn (talk) 06:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Normally an unreferenced BLP (biography of a living person) would be grounds enough for deletion per WP:BLPPROD, but it looks like this article escaped deletion due to the corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia, which cites many sources. Perhaps a compromise would be to redirect to the band NMB48 if no citations are added. It could always be re-created as an article if/when an editor gets around to adding citations and possibly expanding it with more meaningful biographical information. (Incidentally, there should probably be a hat note distinguishing from other people with similar names such as Yuka Kato.) Cielquiparle (talk) 15:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a flagrant violation of WP:BEFORE and WP:NOENG. The Japanese-version of this article includes 58 citations including from Oricon News, Asahi, Nikkan Sports and more. A quick Google search in Japanese also pulls up plenty of citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DCsansei (talk • contribs) 20:10, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on the Japanese article having citations mentioned above.Perfectstrangerz (talk) 01:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Japanese wiki article has lots of RS. Clearly passes WP:GNG per those references. The English wiki article can be improved and expanded based on those sources.4meter4 (talk) 19:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Akira Kajiyama

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Working, successful musician, but doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO / WP:GNG. Notability is not inherited. Boleyn (talk) 08:45, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I agree with the nominator on how Kajiyama is a working musician who has hopefully made a living as a sideman, but he simply does not have the in-depth coverage in his own right that is needed for an article here. The albums by his own bands received little notice, while his appearances on other people's albums were typically just guest spots on a few songs. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I don't find mention of him on any Japanese sources, or on any sources identified as RS in Project Albums [2]. I don't think we're at notability. Oaktree b (talk) 19:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notable heavy metal Jp guitarist. Co-leader of Goldbrick [ja] and has at least 2 albums under his name (Into the Deep with Shimonoya (a Victor record) and Fire without Flame (with Turner; an AOR record). Keep. Added 2 sources (one is not great and is a blog; but I added it because it's in English). For more sources, please see this listing on his official site. Worst case scenario in my view: keep and rename (move) Goldbrick (band) (with a wl to the Jp page I mentioned) and reduce to a paragraph about him/solo career.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC) (NB.....This is not an album but a musician.....:D)[reply]
Delete Would have loved seeing this article remain but per BEFORE doesn't seem to get any information about his except this one, which is far from being an RS. Major case of SIGCOV! All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 14:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Would have loved seeing this article remain but per BEFORE doesn't seem to get any information about his except this one, which is far from being an RS. Major case of SIGCOV! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 00:42, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genod Droog

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Article has no references. I am unable to find anything substantial. They do not meet WP:MUSICBIO. Keerukos (talk) 06:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Additional comment: The have a few awards but they are non-notable awards. Keerukos (talk) 06:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Neutral Comment this source [3] verifies a handful of industry awards and having headlined at a significant festival. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DandelionAndBurdock (talk • contribs) 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete - The BBC source offered by the commenter above is a basic directory entry that BBC freely offers on its website. Via Google Translate it is a promotional statement with language like "Each gig was unique and the unpredictable nature added excitement" or "like watching history being made." Otherwise, this is tough because the band did have some accomplishments but they didn't really generate much coverage, and even their awards were only briefly listed among everyone else who was at the same ceremony: [4], [5]. That's all I can find in any language. It looks like they came close, but no (Wikipedia) cigar. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:04, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails notability and WP:MUSICBIO. I was unable to find any additional news. Maxcreator (talk) 03:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 03:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

C. D. Collins

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Pure self-promotion. I find 2 hyper-local "articles" about her and nothing else. Zero coverage beyond that in reliable secondary sources. Fred Zepelin (talk) 03:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Not sure that the Wiki article is "self-promotion", as the original creator says "Added basic information on artist CD Collins that can be found on her website", but it certainly lacks any third-party coverage except of the fact that a documentary was forthcoming in 2019. They may be just a newbie editor thinking they've found a notable topic to write about, rather than having any WP:COI. PamD 11:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's possible, but given the lack of secondary coverage and the style of the writing, I think it's likely the editor was someone who knows the subject in some way. Fred Zepelin (talk) 15:02, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: no evidence of notability. PamD 11:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Article would need a lot of work before it could be considered notable. 🐱FatCat96🐱 Chat with Cat 03:56, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Tadao Ando. I see a consensus to Merge this article. After the Merge is completed, you can take the Redirect to RFD to discuss its deletion and point to this AFD discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

27712 Pacific Coast Highway

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Notability is WP:BLP1E only. Other coverage is WP:ROUTINE. TarnishedPath^talk 01:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. This real estate is sitting on the WP:COAT of its owners. On its own, despite its architect, the subject fails WP:GNG because it has nothing notable to it other than its current owners. Its title itself is a serious BLP privacy concern (not rectifiable by normal editing without oversight). It would even be a BLP problem for subsequent non-notable owners (and I mean: *totally private* people with their home address as a Wikipedia title). JFHJr (㊟) 02:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS. And WP:NOTNEWS. Point back to the fact that this subject has zero sustained coverage over its existence. JFHJr (㊟) 02:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, looks like a solid GNG pass, not really sure what these other two are talking about (for example none of the coverage seems to fall under WP:ROUTINE and BLP1E is part of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons... and the subject here is one of the most expensive houses in the world not a person). Will expand from coverage not currently in article. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 02:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Horse Eye's Back, it seems to me that all the coverage that is not WP:ROUTINE concerns the sale of the property to Beyoncé and Jay-Z for $200 million, making this WP:BLP1E. An article doesn't have to be a WP:BLP itself to have BLP content in it. TarnishedPath^talk 02:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The topic of this article is not the sale (an event), this article is about the house. BLP1E does not apply to objects. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 02:46, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sale (an event) is the only notability the article has. Remove the sale and there would be no article. This article is about two BLP's house. Therefore BLP1E applies. TarnishedPath^talk 02:50, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me if I don't accept that extremely flimsy logic. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 02:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That... isn't what BLP1E is for. It simply doesn't apply to articles that aren't themselves BLPs. (Agree that this probably shouldn't have an article but BLP1E is not the reason why). Elli (talk | contribs) 03:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is incorrect to say BLP1E isn't applicable to a building. Everything here, including talk pages, is subject to WP:BLP and its collateral policies, especially when it's under a notability question. I'll also note the event is not just the purchase, but amounts to mere ownership, and "events" may last a long time. That's the point of seeking enduring notability in the real estate itself and not the owner, or even the sale, in terms of a standalone article. JFHJr (㊟) 01:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BLP applies everywhere, but the effect of WP:BLP1E is only on biographical articles of low profile individuals. The text of that section explicitly cautions so: WP:BLP1E should be applied only to biographies of living people, or those who have recently died, and to biographies of low-profile individuals. I note that we do, however, reach essentially the same outcome around enduring notability; I via WP:N. Rotary Engine ^talk 01:49, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but move to ‘Beyoncé and Jay-Z’s California house’ The house is notable- is has a notable architect and broke the record for its sale price, but is currently titled with the buildings address. WP:BLPPRIVACY says “articles should not include postal addresses” and “If you see personal information such as phone numbers, addresses, account numbers, etc. in a BLP or anywhere on Wikipedia, edit the page to remove it”. In fact, I’ll move the page right now, so this might disrupt this AfD listing.TheSpacebook (talk) 02:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You'd need WP:OVERSIGHT with a page move, right? Can't have the address in the title history. May as well WP:BLOWITUP *if* the subject (the real estate) is independently notable. Meh? JFHJr (㊟) 02:46, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS. Notable persons's belonging: WP:INHERIT takes a lot. I don't think this wins. But maybe it might. We shall see. Thanks as always, and cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 02:48, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I struck your move proposal since you went ahead and did that during AfD. Usually, it's best to be patient enough for an outcome. JFHJr (㊟) 03:24, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And now I've un-struck your move comment, since someone stepped in and undid your mid-discussion page move. Let's be patient and wait for this to reach a consensus. If it helps not to watch, don't watch! JFHJr (㊟) 22:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge without redirect of the original title to Beyoncé or Jay-Z, whichever can be determined to have a more encyclopedic connection with the property. The house is not notable because $200 million was paid for it; it is noteworthy that these people bought a house for that much, but this would have been true no matter which house they paid that amount for. It is one of countless high-priced houses owned by wealthy entertainers, designed by an architect who designs high-end houses. Most of these sales get some kind of coverage in the trade papers, and some make it into more general papers due to interest in the celebrity, not the house. None of these things make it independently notable. BD2412 T 03:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What happens to this (moved) name space, and the previous name space with the address? Shall we delete them both? Due to the page move during AfD discussion, there are now two unneeded name spaces, IMO. JFHJr (㊟) 03:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have the tools to remove privacy-invading content from article/redirect histories. BD2412 T 12:15, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with redirect from original title only to Tadao Ando. The new title is pure gossip journalism and inadmissable under BLP as a privacy violation. The house is marginally notable on grounds of the high price (additional coverage that wasn't there when I looked at the article and went searching: Architectural Digest, SFGate); the high price is in part due to the architect, and there is some coverage of the original owners' use of it to display their art collection, e.g. this spat over a large outside sculpture, Malibu Times. It can be a referenced line in the list of his works, to which "27712 Pacific Coast Highway" is a reasonable redirect, and there is no reason under BLP to expunge the history providing the one line does not name the current owners. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Failing a delete, I think this is the best target page for a redirect proposal. Thanks, Yngvadottir! JFHJr (㊟) 03:33, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know, that this article recently became active as a result of a discussion on the BLP policy talk page, it may interest you: Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons#Publication of Living Individuals Home Addresses TheSpacebook (talk) 03:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, JFHJr. I found it listed at Tadao Ando#Projects, unlinked it, ref'd it, named it for the clients and moved it to a different year based on one of those sources. (Most press coverage of the sale appears to go back to a TMZ report and judging by widespread omission, that didn't give the completion year. I haven't hunted for it.) I note that there's another Malibu house with a star purchaser already listed, also unlinked and listed by the commissioning owner. Yngvadottir (talk) 08:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge to Tadao Ando as one of his noteworthy accomplishments. Most of the participants in this debate have made valid points, but I find WP:NOTNEWS and WP:ONEEVENT to be the most relevant policies here. The recent sale indeed made the news, though that "news" doesn't get too far beyond standard celebrity gossip. It could be argued that the record price is an achievement for the architect rather than the buyers. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean the seller not the architect? The property was primarily valued at the astronomical sum because of its location not its architect, note that the previous most expensive property sold in California was the one *next door* which was not an Ando. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what? Merge anyway because the house under discussion is not notable for all the reasons stated by everyone. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that WP:ONEEVENT & WP:BLP1E apply to people, not properties. Rotary Engine ^talk 04:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Make sure you know who you're responding to and when. I did not cite WP:BLP1E myself. When I cited WP:ONEEVENT yesterday, the article was called "Beyoncé and Jay-Z’s California house" and it was full of text about those two celebrities, so both of those policies are/were relevant anyway. Meanwhile, moving the article's title in the middle of a deletion discussion sure doesn't help much. You guys figure it out. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand, how would either the title or the content make WP:ONEEVENT relevant? ONEEVENT is about "People notable for only one event" and neither of the celebrities mentioned fall into that category. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:53, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why the principal undergirding WP:ONEEVENT would not apply to a building that was only covered in the media in connection with a single event. An example would be Francklyn Cottage (where President James A. Garfield died, having been taken there in hopes of recovery from a gunshot would). BD2412 T 23:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If, in independent, reliable sources, there is sufficient depth of documentation of Francklyn Cottage to satisfy WP:GNG, why should an article not be written on it? Similar to Garfield Tea House; presumably also only noted because of its link to Garfield's death. Rotary Engine ^talk 01:55, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with redirect from original title only to Tadao Ando; per Yngvadottir et al. Mention the record setting purchase at Beyoncé &/or Jay-Z; likely without the address. At best, barely borderline notable as a separate topic - there is an absence of independent, reliable, secondary sourcing providing in-depth documentation of the subject. Certainly, however, noteworthy in the articles mentioned. Rotary Engine ^talk 10:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For clarity, I am also comfortable with a merge without redirect. I am not comfortable with a redirect from "Beyoncé and Jay-Z’s California house". Rotary Engine ^talk 23:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add: Fails WP:NBUILD which requires significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability. Rotary Engine ^talk 07:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Administrator note Per the various concerns expressed here I have restored the page to its original title. Primefac (talk) 13:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I welcome this, had I have known the address couldn’t be redacted through oversight, I wouldn’t have moved it. TheSpacebook (talk) 13:53, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. JFHJr (㊟) 00:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete an ATD is fine, but the house's notability is essentially inherited and fails GNG on its own. SportingFlyer T·C 16:06, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. It's only noteworthy at most, with the WP:WEIGHT of a short mention in the owner/s article/s and/or the architect's article. I'm not seeing a compelling reason for a redirect but realize others here want that. JFHJr (㊟) 22:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Many thanks to Primefac for reverting the article move and deleting the ill-advised title. I see the text has at some point been revised so that the intro is all about the current owners. Since I strongly disagree that their names are the basis for its notability and I'm advocating merge without history deletion, if nobody else does, I'm going to rewrite the article, returning it to its original focus on the record sale price and the architecture. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:03, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Tadao Ando per those above. The current title (the home's street address) is more a BLP violation than titling it by its current occupants. Do any of the sources actually give the exact address? It looks like they're just saying "a home on the Pacific Coast Highway". If the structure doesn't have its own name then titling it by its notable residents seems entirely reasonable, and preferable to giving the exact location of a private residence as a title. But I agree that the recent coverage is not about the home but about who purchased it, and while we do usually keep information about record-setting things, I don't think "most expensive real estate" is really a valid record in this economy, and there's very little written about this from an architectural perspective. It amounts to celebrity gossip. On the other hand we have two articles about Taylor Swift's houses, so maybe it's valid, but it should be at a different title. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:55, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a thought, but if we were looking for a BLP-free title, something like 2014 Tadao Ando Pacific Coast Highway house would do it. BD2412 T 12:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm reading a potential consensus for a Merge to Tadao Ando, so another rename might not be necessary if said merge is carried out in a timely manner after close. TarnishedPath^talk 13:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nylon Pink

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Sources on page do not appear to be reliable (except maybe LA Weekly, though it is a blog), and I couldn't find any other coverage aside from this very brief AllMusic bio. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:27, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Most sources are now unavailable, and the band's notability is completely questionable. Svartner (talk) 05:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Hinnigan

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Unref blp, doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 20:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Notability not established Coldupnorth (talk) 09:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SNOW. All three external inks are not reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 20:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails notability and WP:MUSICBIO. Unable to find any additional news about this person. Maxcreator (talk) 03:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Easy delete per the comments here. Go4thProsper (talk) 14:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As stated above there is nothing to show the sort of notability that would be needed for an article. Dunarc (talk) 22:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 14:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Youngboi OG

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The sources that aren't deadlinks are all UGC. I'm not entirely convinced this isn't a G3 but I don't particularly feel the need for this to be speedied either, already had an admin look at it privately. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:24, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Most links listed doesn't exist. Appears to be a hoax. @T.C.G. [talk] 14:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

James Gaines

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Unref blp. Doesn't appear to meet WP:BIO / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 15:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete unsourced BLP fails WP:NACTOR/WP:NBASIC/WP:GNG. At least two accounts and probably 1 or more anon editors appear to be the subject. Although IMDB is a junk source and probably also self edited the list is for small parts often un-credited. The article claims "Arguably the most well-known movies Gaines appeared in were The Last Hunter" which IMDB lists as "Deserter(uncredited)". I can't find any indication of any nobility. KylieTastic (talk) 16:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as Wikipedia doesn't allow biographies of living people that don't cite any reliable sources. Everyone has been trying to look for sources such as newspaper or magazine articles about James Gaines, but we aren't finding any. (And no, we can't really cite IMDb as a source, either.) Cielquiparle (talk) 17:21, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm getting unrelated James Gaines even when using Philippines as a modifier in GNews Archives. He has a mention in this book but that's about it in my GBooks search. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete agreeing with the above opinions - merely being in a number of films is not innately notable. There are no apparent references to establish notability, including in book searches. IMDb is a reference source for facts but does not establish notability.WmLawson (talk) 03:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

George Joseph (composer)

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Such a long article, tagged for improvements since 2020, has only IMDB as references. I have tried to find something on GoogleNews but couldn't. WP:TNT. fail to meet the relevant notability guideline. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 11:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete NN composer who lacks coverage in secondary sources.Sk1728 (talk) 14:46, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 18:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shamako Noble

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A hip-hop musician and writer, admittedly his album was released a long time ago in internet terms, in 2004, but the most I can do is find proof on Discogs that it existed. There are a couple of online articles written by Noble, and a couple of brief mentions in a university radio article and the Seattle Times. His candidature in California politics is confusing, and only cited to a Green Party application. Overall this is more like a resumé and not suitable for Wikipedia, fails WP:GNG. Sionk (talk) 23:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or Merge. I agree that neither of those are significant coverage, and the article is written like a resume, but that doesn’t justify deletion (it is possible, though, to cut down some of the text). There’s a book covering him here and an interview here.

The book coverage is probably not enough to float an article on its own, though, but there might be another source I haven’t found immidiately. Mrfoogles (talk) 02:22, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That said, I just added the book I found to the Hip Hop Congress article. There might not be that much to merge. Changing my stance to Neutral, unless anyone can find more sources (which I'm not sure don't exist). Mrfoogles (talk) 03:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV. In addition to the book above, he's profiled in Banjoko, Adisa (2004). "Political Activist, Shamako Noble". Lyrical Swords: Hip Hop and Politics in the Mix. YinSumi Press. ISBN 9780970177117. The book series Lyrical Swords and its author has been the subject of RS (see for example) He's also got coverage for his work as an activist in Berg, Laurie; Berg, Anna; Robinson, Pamela K.; Wills, Jane. "Economic Migrants: The Banana Supply Chain, and the London Living Wage: Three Cases Civil Society Activism on Poverty". In Kumar, Ashwani (ed.). Global Civil Society Yearbook 2009: Poverty and Activism. SAGE Publications. ISBN 9781446202562. All together, this clearly passes GNG.4meter4 (talk) 17:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Looking at the previous article, the majority of it was copy-pasted from his Green Party shadow cabinet biography here. I replaced that with the stuff I could cite. I don't know what's in the Lyrical Swords coverage and I can't find the mention of him in the Economic Migrants coverage, but from the sources I can see so far I think probably his article would be merged into Hip Hop Congress (co-founder) and possibly 2012 Republican National Convention (decent bit of coverage that's interviewing him participating in protests against it). Mrfoogles (talk) 00:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't have full access to the books/journals so it's hard to make a firm judgement here, but my impression is that the coverage seems weak. Probably fails a strict reading of WP:NBIO.-KH-1 (talk) 02:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I don't see anything which actually passes GNG here and I'm not sure the profiles above necessarily get there - perhaps a merge might work as an ATD. SportingFlyer T·C 22:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Hernandez (musician)

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Apart from the promotional tone, the subject fails WP:NMUSIC. Bhivuti45 (talk) 19:35, 29 March 2024 (UTC) Note: The nominator has been blocked for undeclared paid editing Atlantic306 (talk) 22:32, 11 April 2024[reply]

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Comment In addition to those in the article, some other sources I've found include:

St. Cyr, Sylvia (September 8, 2021). "Paul Hernandez releasing fresh new single". CHVN-FM. Retrieved March 30, 2024.
St. Cyr, Sylvia (February 15, 2021). "Christian artist says 'power of music' felt in worship". CHVN-FM. Retrieved March 30, 2024.
Bourne, Kevin (August 11, 2020). "Vancouver Rapper Paul Hernandez Explores Faith, Life And Anxiety On Debut EP Deeper Things". Shifter Magazine. Retrieved March 30, 2024.

These were just from a general Google search though, not a deep dive. So hopefully even more can be found. Silver seren^C 20:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as has reliable sources coverage as identified above and coverage such as Rolling Stone translated here imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sources presented above and Rolling Stone article, would make the subject notable.RolandSimon (talk) 22:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment : This AfD is similar to this one. If survives, both should be. --Twinkle1990 (talk) 17:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AMFJ

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Zero notability whatsoever InDimensional (talk) 22:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Did you conduct a WP:BEFORE in Icelandic sources? I get quite a few hits about him in Icelandic sources on both Google and the Icelandic newspaper archives, Tímarit.is, which at least indicates that he has a bit more than "Zero notability whatsoever". Alvaldi (talk) 23:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't find much beyond concert announcements. If I missed any coverage (I might've done) please share the links. InDimensional (talk) 15:25, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete: There are a few sources but I don't think it is enough to meet notability. RolandSimon (talk) 22:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Da Vincis

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Not yet notable per WP:BAND. The only secondary coverage I can find of them in reliable sources is the Under The Radar album review already cited here, and this album review in the Jackson Free Press. They were the local warmup band for two notable bands in their home town in 2009, but on Wikipedia notability is not inherited. I can find no evidence of national rotation, or significant awards. Created by SPAs and speedy deleted three times 2008-10, but for some reason not the fourth SPA in 2010. Wikishovel (talk) 18:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:GARAGEBAND and some obvious COI, combined with being unable to find any mention online. BrigadierG (talk) 18:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Wikishovel's points above re notability on a national scale, although band was clearly more than a WP GARAGEBAND. Not sure about COI w/out specificity. I have been doing research to update the page, but while the arc of the band progressed and a second CD/LP was released, part of page update was to note that the band is no longer active. I have not completed research, but high value citations thus far have been challenging. Part of what what was notable about the band was their age when they began. I looked at the wikipedia page for "List of Musicians from Mississippi" and wonder if there is some other way to categorize this band such that they are attached to Mississippi list? As example, I saw a band called Beanland on the list that seems to have a similar arc to that of The Da Vincis.

Updating the page has not been a priority, however, i wonder if there is any value to me attempting a page update over the next week (or not if I can't find better sources) and then revisit/re-discuss the deletion? I want to neither keep the page unnecessarily nor delete it unnecessarily. As a Wikipedia novice, I don't want to waste my time (or anyone else's) if deletion is a fait accompli. Gradock (talk) 20:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gradock hey, great You came! Don't be discouraged! The AfD is not a court martial or anything like that, and if you read WP:ATD You'll see that more often than not articles listed here get shored up to the point where they are kept. Don't be discouraged. If you have good references and links that show the band is notable, by all means include them, provide them, show them! We are all open minds here and working on this neverending project to collect all human knowledge. It's good that you're here. Cheers, Ouro (blah blah) 21:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seconding the above. You have my word that if you're able to uncover good quality sources such as in-depth magazine coverage I'm not aware of, I will change my vote. Contributing positive material to Wikipedia should always be welcomed, don't take my delete vote as a vote against the band or any authors of the page. BrigadierG (talk) 21:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thx @brigadierG @ouro @wikishovel. Any thoughts on the "List of Musicians from Mississippi" question. Or more specifically, is there some other place/category within wikipedia where those interested in the band might be better served? Gradock (talk) 19:05, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not. If it's not relevant for an article, it's not allowed to be included in those lists. Please see WP:CSC, WP:GARAGEBAND, WP:NOTDIRECTORY BrigadierG (talk) 19:07, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Making an effort: I found this, the album See You Tonight is reviewed near the top. I know it's next to nothing but maybe a start. --Ouro (blah blah) 20:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another one, this time from the Jackson Free Press. --Ouro (blah blah) 20:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it ok for me to simply revise the page - fairly major edits, then allow the deletion discussion to continue? Or do it in the sandbox or something? what is the easiest way for proposed edits to be digested by the group? Gradock (talk) 19:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Gradock: just edit the article, then come back here to say that you've done it and let the discussion roll on. --Ouro (blah blah) 20:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ok, gonna let'er rip. Gradock (talk) 20:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can see current data that demonstrates both current global listenership, and historical listenership through soundcharts.com by signing up for their fremium subscription. However, greater historical detail requires a paid subscription. So the validation is there, but behind a login at minimum. Not a very friendly (if even acceptable) citiation. One problem in research is that band has been inactive since 2017 and was most active 2009-2012, so some of original citations have gone stale. Especially related to airplay and are not searchable in Wayback Machine. Gradock (talk) 20:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@brigadierG @ouro @wikishovel et al, i have done an extensive re-work and in the process got a depracated source flag. not sure which one that is but suspect #12/Last.fm perhaps becuase it is some sort of social media site. If so, I can replace with a better reference i think. still don't know if it meets (or now after research how indie bands ever meet) whatever the wikipedia notability bar is. That said, if as revised, it does not pass muster then delete it. Lastly, if this is deleted, is it archived somewhere in the event additional info could resurrect it? More notable than a garage band less notable than the Rolling Stones. Gradock (talk) 01:50, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Gradock: Oh, the article looks much cooler now. I don't know whether it will pass but it's great you added sourcing. The prose is also nice, looks balanced. Fingers crossed. I'm definiely in favour of keeping it. Ps. If you want the ping to work, You need to use double square parentheses [[ and ]] and link the user name exactly as it is used, including capitalisation, e. g. for me it would be @[[User:Ouro]]. --Ouro (blah blah) 07:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:wikishovel @User:BrigadierG @Ouro I did not know Bandcamp was a user generated product and considered an unreliable source. That said, it was used primarily to validate Band existence/release dates. Also found the quote by noteable journalist Sandra Zettpunkt on one of the BandCamp pages, which would not have been posted by anyone associated with the band. I am not a music person, so Bandcamp is just another source for me. The fact that there is actual music you can sample on the site would seem to balance some of the "reliablity" issues. I am a new wikipedia editor and discoverd the Da Vincis page whilst building another page. I am undertaking the updating/revisions more to sharpen my chops/Learn than any other reason. Given the my time/energy/effort expended, I have a greater appreciation for the struggles of indie bands like The Da Vincis in frankly just surviving, in good faith I come back to @wikishovel's "Not yet notable per WP:BAND" criteria. Delete. Gradock (talk) 11:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man, I respect all the effort you put in to improving this article. I too am still a delete vote, but I hope you stick around and put this much effort into other articles on this website as well BrigadierG (talk) 11:17, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gradock, You're one tough cookie. You worked on the article and still concede that it would not survive. Respect. --Ouro (blah blah) 14:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments. This seems to be a classical marginal case. There is some coverage, including AllMusic, but I don't know if the totality counts as significant. Bearian (talk) 16:32, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm along alone with delete. Bearian (talk) 14:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Coverage in non-RS, trivial coverage otherwise. I can only find the usual list of streaming sites for them. Oaktree b (talk) 14:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: An article that doesn't meet WP:BAND. The case here is lack of SIGCOV as the article is filled with non reliable sources and primary self pubs. Not much for a music group with few musicals. There is no notable member to say redirect! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nima A. Rowshan

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WP:N Ladsgroup^overleg 20:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - satisfies GNG. Bhivuti45 (talk) 11:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't find any reliable source about him. There is only mention of name in tagesshau Ladsgroup^overleg 17:04, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please check the references 7,8 & 16. The Donaueschinger Musiktage is not a Tagesschau. It's recognized as one of the most prestigious contemporary classical music festivals. Sofreakso (talk) 10:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom lacks indepth coverage fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:31, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The criteria of GNG is different for contemporary classical composers. The name has been mentioned in academic essays. A commission by Donaueschinger Musiktage also make it meets GNG. There are lots of newspaper coverage regarding "Alamut" and also lots of newspaper coverage in other languages, but the name spelling seems different in some of them. Sofreakso (talk) 10:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per fairly strong consensus with respect to WP:NMUSIC. It does not matter what the genre is; in fact, many new genres have been deleted since 2007. In order to argue for exceptions, you have to show examples. I've done thousands of AfDs, including hundreds of musical ones, and I'm unaware of any genre-based exception. If the consensus has changed, then we need dozens of folks to chime in. Bearian (talk) 14:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Randykitty (talk) 12:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dope Caesar

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Non- notable Dj and the news publication are not reliable mostly are blogs, More like an advert, Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. Subject failed WP:GNG Calyx2s (talk) 11:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Notable DJ that meets WP:GNG per the coverage received in multiple reliable secondary sources. The sources discussed her and her acts in details. She has huge social media following and on Instagram alone she has over 250 thousand followers and other social media platforms. Yangopano (talk) 14:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sources are blogs and not reliable, It can't establish notability and social media doesn't guarantee notability.Calyx2s (talk) 19:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
COMMENT: refer to WP:NEWSBLOG, blogs of news organization are acceptable if the writers are professional. Sibtehassanbutt (talk) 23:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am impressed by your learning curve. Aintabli (talk) 22:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Aintabli me too Tehonk (talk) 01:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- For the above reason by the nominator , the subject Not notable. Couldn't find a credible source on Google search mostly are blogs and this is purely an advertisement.Wasilatlovekesy (talk) 15:59, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SIR refers to a opinion and is not an approved policy/guideline Sibtehassanbutt (talk) 21:44, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I meant Significant, independent and reliable (SIR), thank you for pointing out the wrong link shared. The article source are not WP:RS and also doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV. Wasilatlovekesy (talk) 14:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If not for the content, the three sources are from reliable sources in Nigeria: The Native Mag, NotJustOk and Culture Custodian. (Suggesting: this is just for WP:RS) and doesn't mean opposing/challenging the state of their content for now. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 21:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom.Tehonk (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am skeptical of the nominators statement of SIGCOV. Based in Nigeria sourcing, NotJustOk is a reliable source, and Culture custodian though it was a lyric and few I yet interviews. There are few coverage but fails WP: ANYBIO. Closer to notability though I am seeing a possible case of WP: UPE. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 21:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: Found these additional sources: Vanguard reliable per WP:NGRS, bellanaija 1 and bellanaija 2, which are generally unreliable per WP:NGRS. Out of the remaining articles, culturecustodian is a reliable source per NGRS, Naija News is borderline and the remaining are not listed, so they could go either way. Royal88888 (talk) 08:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the Vanguard publications which is the first source see [[6]] so can't be used and For the 2 and 3rd sources see Generally unreliable sources for Nigeria-related information Calyx2s (talk) 00:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I do not think this passes WP:NSINGER or WP:ANYBIO. Aintabli (talk) 22:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - Of all the arguments so far, I find that by Royal88888 to be the most convincing, because the musician has been covered with a certain degree of professionalism by sources that have been deemed reliable at WP:NGRS. That coverage often lapses into typical promotional hype but there is some reliable info with which to build an encyclopedic article, though it would be a stub for the time being. The current WP article is pretty high on hype itself, but that junk can be removed through the standard editing process. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Some of the sources cited are reliable and their coverage of the subject are fair enough to support the article. Museveni1700 (talk) 20:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For some of the sources listed see [[7]] and Generally unreliable sources for Nigeria-related information by so doing the article can't meet WP:THREE.Calyx2s (talk) 01:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: the sources presented in the article and result of a before search performed point to their minimum notability and per the comment by Royal88888. Lagdo22 (talk) 06:24, 30 March 2024 (UTC) Sockpuppet of Ugbedeg, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ugbedeg. Aintabli (talk) 01:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 1, 2 and 3rd source listed by him has no byline most likely promotional and the fourth sources is an interview the fifth is nothing to write home about. Calyx2s (talk) 14:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. A Google search of her doesn't show her being discussed in reliable secondary sources. The Native and Culture Custodian sources are both interviews (primary sources) and cannot be used to establish notability. Career wise, the subject has not released notable songs or albums. It feels like she is still an up-and-coming disc jockey in the Nigerian music industry. I also feel like this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 15:15, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Empire Statesmen Drum and Bugle Corps

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Inactive organization; lacks notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DELETE - Never had any sourcing whatsoever. — Maile (talk) 13:35, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak Keep: I certainly would love to keep this article, considering they won a national championship five times (which meets WP:NMUSIC #9). There is some regional coverage, but I do not know if it would be enough. At the very least, an AtD could be considered.
- Veale, Stephanie (August 31, 2008). "Empire Statesmen eye crown for their anniversary". Democrat and Chronicle. pgs. B3, B5
- Alatzas, Trif (October 2, 1991). "Empire Statesmen step in time, winningly". Democrat and Chronicle. pgs. 1E–2E
- "New York Outfit Is Champion". The Times-Tribune. August 5, 1991. pg. 5
- "Empire Statesmen tops at 'Music Under the Stars'". Evening Tribune. July 30, 2012

It would be a pity to delete it, but I do not know how far regional versus national coverage will go. Why? I Ask (talk) 04:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as passes WP:NMUSIC criteria 9 for winning a mjor music competition 5 times as confirmed in the reliable sources identified above by Why?, so they should be included in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Martínez

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Doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO. Has worked with many notable musicians, and his name appears in the credits for many songs as writer, producer and musician, but I can't find significant coverage of him in reliable secondary sources. The best I managed was the short 1986 Billboard reference I've added, which describes him as a "veteran producer", and his plans for new releases. For the rest of the vague claims here, about him helping to originate the "Miami sound" (editors searching for that, please exclude the word "Machine" from the search, as he wasn't involved with Miami Sound Machine), or about being invited to join Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons, awards, inductions into halls of fame, etc., I've found nothing. Wikishovel (talk) 06:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Article is full of dubious, unsourced claims and I'm unable to find any articles covering him or his work. InDimensional (talk) 12:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep haven't done a full search yet but did find a staff written bio at AllMusic here to go with the Billboard reference, but more biographical details are needed imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:02, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article has too many issues and barely passes WP:NMUSICIAN. @T.C.G. [talk] 17:20, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. As well as the Allmusic bio, I found a few sources covering him, although not in much depth: Billboard: [8], [9], [10], Books: [11]. --Michig (talk) 12:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep though slightly reluctantly. There are a handful of passing mentions of Martinez in RS, and judging by his career he is someone who should have an article but the lack of dedicated sources to him makes me dubious. What ultimately has pushed me over the line is this dedicated (though short) entry to Martinez in a book. Unfortunately I think this article will most likely stay a stub unless more full sources emerge. Vladimir.copic (talk) 00:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No SIGCOV. An article of s musician that fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Even out of Co side ration, has meny case of unverifiable statements. Per WP:BEFORE, yet came out with databases and external links. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zsuzsanna Sirokay

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This BLP article has remained unsourced since its creation in 2007. Had it been written later, it would have been subject to WP:BLP proposed deletion. No significant sources can be found about this classical pianist. All sources found include run-of-the-mill concert announcements, etc. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I bet good sources can be found! Heck, if she was interviewed by the SRF as seen here then there is something to her. I see mentions from sites in Finland and the Netherlands. I'm sure a thorough search will bring something up. Might get around to it. I also select this as an example. --Ouro (blah blah) 17:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep the argument is fallacious as sources have been there since the beginning. It is just back in this time footnotes were optional. Anyway I have added two footnotes. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Graeme Bartlett: The sources which have existed since the article were created are not evidence of notability, they are merely evidence of existence. The article was created in 2007 with no sources other than the statement "self-made translation from de.wiki". The de.wiki article as of 2007 had no sources. The sources that exist now are merely discogs listings and catalog listings, and one note that she was a finalist in a competition. Yes, she has recorded music. Yes, she has competed internationally. None of this rises to the level of notability required by Wikipedia. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article has adequate sources. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Streaming sites, her website, that's about all I can find. Nothing in Gnews or Scholar. Delete for lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. I was thinking of a "sources likely to exist" vote based on her age and the language barrier, but honestly I'm not sure someone with her resume would actually have coverage in offline sources. I'm reminded of Draft:Janita Byars, which I worked on but ultimately quit due to only being able to find WP:NEWSPRIMARY and insignificant coverage. Mach61 17:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And no, the existing sources don't establish notability Mach61 17:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: References used in the article are incredibly weak and can't even really be called coverage InDimensional (talk) 00:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, meets WP:NMUSIC. Here are reviews of her concerts from the 1970s and '80s: Guardian, Daily Telegraph, Daily Telegraph again, Guardian again. If I can find these at 40-50 years remove, there's likely more in specialty publications of the time, which are not as accessible as major newspapers. Jfire (talk) 14:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong delete. The article's contents do not establish notability. Sources range from weak to inappropriate. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 01:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep irrespective of the article's contents Jfire has identified reliable sources reviews of her work in The Guardian (2 pieces) and The Daily Telegraph (2pieces) so WP:GNG is passed in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep User Jfire has provided valid new sources that will contribute to her notability. RolandSimon (talk) 21:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. The only alternative would be no consensus, which still keeps the article. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 02:28, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gwyn Ashton

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A large majority of this page is not cited. The only citation is from the website of the subject. The other archived citation does not appear to mention or be related to the subject. I believe this biography has been self published as it is largely plagiarised from the subject's own event listings: https://www.eventfinda.com.au/2020/gwyn-ashton/melbourne/thornbury

This article has other multiple issues: The topic of this article does not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for music. (May 2023)

This biography of a living person needs citations for verification, as its only attribution is to self-published sources; articles should not be based solely on such sources. (May 2023)

This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by V260z (talk • contribs) 12:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Just not enough coverage to be found. This was the best in a RS [12], simply a concert listing. A few hits on this site [13]; not listed in Wiki Project Albums as a reliable source... I don't see SIGCOV for this musician. Oaktree b (talk) 14:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Nothing in the article passes notability per WP:MUSICBIO, seems like mostly support slots and obscure festival appearances. InDimensional (talk) 23:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak~~ keep, I found a few sources that may be reliable:
- It's Psychedelic Baby! Magazine - extended interview[14]
- Australian Musician - review[15]
- Australian Musician - short article[16]
- Australian Musician - extended feature[17]
- ABC (Australia) - profile[18]

I am unfamiliar with It's Psychedelic Baby! Magazine and Australian Musician, but the Wikipedia articles on these publications indicate a level of credibility. The BBC link in the 'External sources' section of the article is in archive.org, but it is too short to be useful.[19] Verbcatcher (talk) 00:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the first nomination and the version kept after the first nomination. Several sources have been removed from the article since then, and I have found three of them in archive.org:

CD Baby - review[20]
CD Baby - short review[21]
Bluescat - review[22]

This is sufficient for me to upgrade by opinion from 'weak keep' to 'keep'. Verbcatcher (talk) 00:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the links Verbcatcher. Can I please point out that a majority of these links are profiles which the artist themselves uploads info on. These are not independent articles. For instance the ABC (Australia) link is a Triple J site where local musicians can create their own profile and upload their own bio, photos and 2x songs. This is the same with CD Baby, which is a platform you upload your own music onto, again writing your own bio.

The Bluescat review seems very obscure. The review is amongst dozens of other albums listed and doesn't seem to make sense, maybe it is a translated review?

The Australian Musician review describes a small outback pub performance in Australia and the Australian musician articles seem to mostly list actual well known people this artist has met or paid to meet. V260z (talk) 11:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging the editors who contributed to the previous discussion: @PeaceNT, Scarian, Spellcast, Syzygy, JJL, Esradekan, Hazillow, Matt91486, and RFerreira: Verbcatcher (talk) 21:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the artist has released at least two albums, has been a member of notable bands, has toured both Australia and other nations. I've added some content and refs (some mentioned above) as well as his AllMusic entry (from ELs). Passes WP:MUSICBIO.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These citations you've added most have nothing to do with the subject.

Examples:

Reference 1: Does not even load a page. This has been used to reference his birthplace and date.

Reference 2: Displays 1 sentence from an Australian rural news site and states a time and place the artist is performing for one concert in 2007. This has been used to reference his birth place and date in the article?

Reference 3: Is actually 2x references and is an unrelated Swedish Casino site. This has been used to cite other artists the subject has allegedly performed with.

Reference 5: Is an article about Fleetwood Mac. It is used to cite the subject almost joined Fleetwood Mac, yet no such occurrence is mentioned in the article.

A majority of these other added references are simply a listing of one of his albums and a track list.

Notability criteria requirements:

1. Appears in non trivial published works which are reliable. Not including press releases or articles in which the subject talks about themselves. (for example reference 4) The referenced articles that are not casino sites or self published are interviews of the subject talking about themselves.
- - Your analysis here is faulty. Two of the AllMusic refs describe the artist and reveiw an album. Neither are interviews or casino sites.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)10:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Had a single or album in the charts of any country. No charting single or album cited.

3. Had a gold record in at least one country. No citation of a gold record award. Not listed on RIAA website.

4. Has received non trivial coverage of at least one international concert tour. No independent coverage of a major international tour.

5. Released 2x records on a major record label. You mentioned this, but none of those albums were released through Warner, Universal, Sony or any majors. No, they are not signed to any major or significant label. They are self published works.

6. This doesn't apply to the subject as he is a solo artist.

7. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city. Seems to be a nomad, not part of any "particular city's scene"

8. Has won a Grammy award or similar. Not listed on Grammy nominations website.

9. Has won first, second, or third place in a MAJOR music competition. No, haven't seen any awards.

10.Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, such as a theme for a network television show. No, haven't seen cited work used in media.

11. Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network. No evidence of radio airplay. - No, haven't seen evidence of radio play.
12. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network. - No, haven't seen any Television segments. V260z (talk) 02:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I dispute your analysis of some refs.
Loads fine for me. AGF?

One sentence? Whole article is on the subject. Rural news site? As part of Fairfax Media it was accessible Australia-wide.

Swedish casino site? You're probably looking at its original url, which had been hi-jacked long ago. Archived url should take you to database site. This confirms membership of Swanee and Stevie Wright Band.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fully agree that the article has a lot of problems, but still think the subject is notable, so maybe improving the article would be better than deleting it? I created the article back then because I was impressed when I saw him at a festival, but I haven't followed him closely, and I won't throw a tantrum if the article is deleted. Thanks for thinking of me. -- Syzygy (talk) 11:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as has significant coverage in multiple reliable sources such as Australian Musician, an AllMusic staff written bio and others, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on current articles such as Australian Musician and AllMusic review, subject would meet WP:MUSICBIO.Royal88888 (talk) 02:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for lack of WP:SIGCOV. It's far from the worst article I've seen, and I wouldn't be shocked if there were a couple pre-internet news articles somewhere that could let it scrape by, but what we have, and what I can find, are short of independent coverage that would be needed for an article. I have doubts that Australian Musician has sufficient fact checking expertise to warrant consideration as a reliable source, and the best of the rest of the sources are just interviews or brief concert promos or reviews. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 03:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Upon an attempt to find out more on artist, found a post on subject's Facebook page asking for help to save this page, asking others to edit page and nominate page for keeping on his behalf, in addition to comments mentioning he wrote his own article. I suggest this article be marked as a COI, whilst being considered for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by V260z (talk • contribs) 16:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I read the FB post but find no evidence to support your assertion "in addition to comments mentioning he wrote his own article." Furthermore, article's Revision history has it created on 17 December 2007‎ by User:Syzygy, who still edits on WP periodically. However, his contributions to this article currently sits at 2.3%. shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I see no notability issues here. An allmusic staff bio is always a good sign - and a check on proquest shows many hits. See for example [23] and [24] and [25]. At minimum easily meets WP:BASIC. ResonantDis_tortion 17:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:26, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Evie Dolan

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Does not appear to pass WP:GNG based on sources in article and search of Newspapers.com. Most of the sources in the article are passing mentions and the only significant coverage is from questionable sources. Additionally, the only significant contributors to the page ([26]) appear to be users with conflicts of interest. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep while I agree that the article is poorly written, a Google search quickly reviews enough evidence to pass WP:SIGCOV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Contributor892z (talk • contribs) 13:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Contributor892z: Could you specify which sources from Google would qualify as WP:SIGCOV for the subject? I cannot locate them in my search. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[27] and [28] anyone that was a teenage girl in 2015 knew about her. @Eagles247:Contributor892z (talk) 14:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Contributor892z: The first link includes one trivial mention of Dolan, which does not constitute significant coverage. The second link also includes one trivial mention in a BuzzFeed-style slideshow. It is also from the New York Post, which is considered generally unreliable per WP:NYPOST. Your assertion that "anyone that was a teenage girl in 2015 knew about her" does not hold weight per WP:IKNOWIT. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Eagles247: honest question: wouldn’t someone that was the recurring face of ads with international circulation targeting a sizeable cohort of the world population be notable? Contributor892z (talk) 14:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Contributor892z: Probably not, see WP:NACTOR for a rough guideline of how actor notability can be determined. Nothing about being the face of an ad campaign. And the role she had in School of Rock was minor, so it likely wouldn't count towards the "significant roles in multiple [...] stage performances" aspect of the guideline. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Kindly note that this editor, Contributor892z, is confused about what WP:SIGCOV entails as they think google hit search count toward that. Not sure from where they got this policy. For reference please see their response at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Penton Keah. FuzzyMagma (talk) 13:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Also unable to find significant coverage that goes into significant depth about the subject. At the moment the article reads like a simple résumé page, and it doesn't look like the subject has quite achieved notability just yet. InDimensional (talk) 14:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I found only one of the articles which is broadwayworld.com to be proper for notability. We would need a few more like this. RolandSimon (talk) 21:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 16:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lord Vinheteiro

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This article about Vinheteiro fails to meet WP:NMUSIC.

Details about Vinheteiro in the article are not cited in accordance with source, which makes it seem to have reach the requirement of WP:NMUSIC e.g. the article stated that Vinheteiro participated in Brazilian programs such as Jornal Nacional (seems to meet criteria 12), while the source 'Jornal Nacional' was about his video of playing of JN's theme song went viral. e.g. the article stated that Vinheteiro performed in China with local musicians (seems to meet criteria 4), yet the source was about his videos' popularity on Chinese online video platform, Bilibili, where he launched online music courses.

If the article is considered as Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube/Notability rather than WP:NMUSIC, I doubt its sources are significant enough to meet WP:GNG. --EleniXDD※Talk 07:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The YouTuber has notability, including internationally. [29] [30] Svartner (talk) 05:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete per nom. i cannot access the second source provided above, but the first source appears to be an interview and does not contribute to notability. ltb d l (talk) 10:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

this source is extremely reliable, one of the top 2 national news outlet in Brazil, with a reach to more than 200 million people. Meets by a long margin criterion 12 of WP:NMUSIC. Contributor892z (talk) 21:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Notable internationally, and there is comprehensive coverage and sources about this subject in the Portuguese Wikipedia.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 15:15, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. WP:NPOSSIBLE applies. Check the Portuguese wiki for better sources.Contributor892z (talk) 21:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. JBW (talk) 21:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Siti Zainab

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The article underwent AfD discussions in July 2023, leading to a "soft delete." However, it was reinstated in December 2023 by the same article creator, confirmed as a sockpuppet. Despite its restoration, the article fails to address the issues that prompted its removal in July 2023, particularly regarding WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. Notably, in the Filmography section, nearly all entries list her as uncredited. The one exception where she is credited only features her in a supporting role. Ckfasdf (talk) 15:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment found her obituary which maybe can help in adding some content to the page https://www.forevermissed.com/siti-zainab/about Hi Bree! (talk) 09:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)Comment struck per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Ckfasdf (talk) 02:45, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can't think of any good reason for this article to stay.

Allan Nonymous (talk) 00:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Given that she received an in-depth profile in Aneka magazine (well, based on the amount of information, three or four pages - the maximum to expect from such magazines in the 1950s) it is likely that contemporary magazines gave her coverage as well. Unfortunately, most such magazines have not been made available digitally. Also, there was another actress billed simply as "Zainab" active in Indonesia in the 1950s (born in 1933, rather than 1935, and appearing in films such as Tiga Dara; source: Biran, Apa dan Siapa Film Indonesia, 1979), and so finding sources online would be difficult.

Please note that I was canvassed off Wikipedia. As such, I am not !voting. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to WP:NACTOR, an individual may be deemed notable if they have played significant roles in numerous noteworthy films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. However, this doesn't apply to this person and the other "Zainab," as they are credited as uncredited in both films they appear in. Ckfasdf (talk) 23:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Never said that she met NACTOR; indeed, as you point out, she did not play significant roles in these films (I'm unfamiliar with Singaporean cinema, and can't speak to the significance or noteworthiness of the films themselves). Those comments pointed to the possibility that she met GNG, if access to older records were possible. Overall, and personally, I'm leaning delete myself. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails NACTOR and ANYBIO. If we can't locate sourcing, then we delete. The namespace may be resurrected if sources are found. BusterD (talk) 15:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. I see no consensus here. What I'm not seeing is any support for Deletion. Editors who are arguing for a Redirection or Merge can start a discussion on the article talk page to pursue that option but that can happen outside of an AFD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Argo (band)

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Starting a formal AfD as an editor objects to this article being a redirect. This group's claim to fame is their Eurovision Song Contest 2016 appearance, and all references included in the article and through an internet search appear to pertain to that appearance. Per WP:ONEEVENT, I propose a redirect to Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016, which is a good article and includes all notable endeavors by this group in greater detail and with additional context. Grk1011 (talk) 14:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to re-emphasize the WP:1E aspect of this since folks keep bringing up WP:MN, for which criterion #10 states that if the notable endeavor is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Additionally #12 states that the subject has to be the featured subject, which I take to mean not just a participant in the event. As an internal selection candidate from Greece, they weren't even winners or featured subjects of a national selection event. No information at all is lost by a redirect. Grk1011 (talk) 12:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016 per nomination. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per criteria 10 and 12 of WP:MN, also provided by good sources.BabbaQ (talk) 10:05, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - My personal opinion is that representing a country in the Eurovision Song Contest is a very good reason to be considered notable for a Wikipedia article. /abbedabb^talk 13:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a notable endeavor, but it appears it's the only notable thing they've done. Prior to ESC, they were not really known, even in Greece, and they haven't released any noteworthy material after Eurovision either. As this whole article is about them in relation to Eurovision, the redirect seems natural. This is not a request for deletion. Grk1011 (talk) 13:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - meets WP:MUSICBIO, by having TV appearances, criterion #10 and #12 .Maxcreator (talk) 21:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Staying by my Keep rationale. If we follow Wikipedia guidelines, this group is notable.BabbaQ (talk) 07:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but as I've already explained above, guidelines state that they should be notable for more than one event, otherwise the redirect is more appropriate. Grk1011 (talk) 14:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reiterating my support for a redirect; Grk1011 is right to point out that WP:1E has a very big part in this AfD process which I believe the majority of responses above have failed to take into account. WP:MUSICBIO point 10, which has been outlined above, in fact explicitly points to 1E and suggests that a redirect may be more appropriate. As for point 12 of MUSICBIO, I'm not sure I see how being one participant in a contest with over 40 other participants counts as being a "featured subject", especially when the group were chosen internally by the Greek broadcaster and were therefore not part of a "substantial broadcast segment", such as a national selection show. Regarding Eurovision participation being seen as notable in itself, there are several other previous Eurovision participants whose articles are either redirects or do not exist for the very simple fact that Eurovision was their only notable achievement, hence falling down on 1E. There's nothing within this article that isn't already expressly presented within Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016, which is a much better article to cover all aspects of the group's participation in the only event in which they are anyway notable. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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As a response to above the fact is that er criteria 10 and 12 of WP:MN applies for notability.BabbaQ (talk) 15:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I feel like a broken record, but as has been pointed out, this isn't a matter of whether they are notable, but whether they meet 1E (notable for more than one event). Guidelines are clear that articles for subjects that are notable for only one event should be redirected to that event where their activity is described in much more detail. I fail to grasp what a standalone page that just says "they took part in Eurovision" and not much else accomplishes. Grk1011 (talk) 15:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per BabbaQ. Meets NMUSIC points 10 and 12. Note past precedent from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sestre (drag act), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Bonnici and no consensus close on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Max Jason Mai all with Delete voters citing BLP1E in the context of Eurovision. On a non-deletion argument related note, I'm incredibly skeptical of the idea of "merge info to Eurovision page" given the mass redirection of Eurovision artists to these pages resulted in... a failure to do exactly that, like with S!sters being redirected (without consensus) and no new info being added to Germany in the Eurovision Song Contest 2019, resulting in the page not even containing the names of the artists in the group. Sigh. Anyway, I vote keep. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 13:38, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding your point around a failure to merge information previously, in the case of this article almost the entire contents of the article is already contained within Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016, so any merging that would need to happen is ridiculously miniscule. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 17:38, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the reassurance on this (though I still fall into the Keep camp), just had to express my frustration at this being an ongoing trend with Eurovision pages. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 20:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for missing that during the redirect of Sisters, but in my defense, it was because the group members were only in the infobox and not in the written parts; everything written was already in the target article. I also want to respond to your mentioning of those other AfD discussions, and I believe individual biography articles are a bit different than a short-lived musical group, so there are some nuances to this nomination. Grk1011 (talk) 19:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I believe it should be merged, though it absolutely should be followed to make sure that it is actually merged and not just forgotten like mentioned above about S!sters.Ktkvtsh (talk) 19:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per nom. WP:NMUSIC explicitly states that meeting any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept, and it is unhelpful to readers to have a standalone page that can't be expanded past a stub. Mach61 18:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016. The article doesn't provide any new material that is not already present in the Greece 2016 article. EurovisionLibrarian (talk) 19:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep – Even with a quick search for the band's work prior to Eurovision, they did release music for 15 years prior to their Eurovision participation. There is clearly some substance in having a separate article beyond their participation — IмSтevan ^talk 17:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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[3] ttps://tonite.abante.com.ph/2024/02/21/ataska-perfect-kasalo/

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[5] ttps://www.wish1075.com/young-charmer-ataska-returns-brand-new-single-fall-love/

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