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Wikipedia is not a platform for corporate advertisements. This is related to Ghias Khan paid-for-spam. IPO of this company didn't happen so WP:LISTED is not applicable. Other than that there are routine press releases or brief coverage in WP:TRADES. Fails WP:NCORP. DeploreJames (talk) 11:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Ghias Khan

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CEO doing his job, nothing significant done by him in his corporate career. References are basically primary references (i.e. interview) or mentions in reliable references. Pakistan & Gulf Economist article is the best reference about him but an archived version reveals that it is an interview as well ([1]). Bloomberg.com database entries are not useful for notability purposes. Clearly no way near meeting WP:GNG. DeploreJames (talk) 10:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Chelari Airport

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This looks to be a hoax. All sources are based on a facebook post by an "assistant professor of journalism"[2] and are accompanied by the same two images, a very grainy (newspaper?) photo of what looks like anything but an airstrip, and a photo of a plane in the "The Hindu" livery. It is not only not the place that crashed (which was a DC47, a two motor plane, not a four motor airplane), but it is a photoshopped version of this image, completely unrelated to the airport or newspaper. Fram (talk) 10:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Vineeth Varaprasad

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Fails WP:FILMMAKER. There're no sources from the article or BEFORE to establish notability generally. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Vishal Vada Vala

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Simply fails WP:FILMMAKER. Sources are not helpful toward establishing notability on this subject, the ones from WP:BEFORE are not helpful either. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Vishnu Narayan

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Simply fails WP:NDIRECTOR. Article does not speak for itself and sources from here and WP:BEFORE do not imply notability. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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A508 road

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Article about an unremarkable 32-mile long road, full-to-the-brim with original research. No indication of why the road is notable. There few actual facts, just an article that only serves to say this road exists. It would be much better to delete the content and redirect it to be a table row in the article A roads in Zone 5 of the Great Britain numbering scheme 10mmsocket (talk) 09:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I just want to clarify that the "distance section" of the page was added by using the "measure distance tool" on Google Maps. So when I added it 18 months ago, I did not try to breach Wikipedia's laws regarding copyvios. Roads4117 (talk) 10:38, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Keep but improve: The bypasses section has actual information which a reader might want ("We used to get delayed going through xyz, I wonder when they made this bypass?"). I've linked the settlement names in that section, and two of the three bypasses have sources. Agree that the table of distances is unnecessary and excessive. Is there nothing else to be said about the history of the road, I wonder? PamD 10:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Or, if the article is deleted, add the sourced info about bypasses to the "Notes" column of the Zone 5 list: "Bypasses constructed for Yardley Gobion (1987)(ref) ..." etc. That said, the ref for that bypass is somewhat iffy, and there's no date in the article! PamD 10:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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Waris Islam

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Fails WP:NWRITER and WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Nothing from WP:BEFORE to establish notability either. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Willy & Scratch

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Simply fails WP:NFILM. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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I found a book called "The International Film Index, 1895-1990: Film titles" and on page 929 there is this "Willy & Scratch" film. PrestigiousLynx4378 (talk) 09:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Isidoro Gallo

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this article about a Spanish photographer, and cannot find references to add. The only reference at the moment is Gallo's website, which has been usurped. I don't think he meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:PHOTOGRAPHER. Tacyarg (talk) 09:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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SKATS

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I can't find much about this topic in reliable sources. The only two sources I can find are the single reference in the article and this book; both have one-sentence mentions of the system. Can't find any significant mentions of it in searches in the Korean language either.

The system also doesn't seem to be used for anything serious; it seems to mostly be a novelty artifact of the legit Korean morse code system. seefooddiet (talk) 08:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Yanis Leerman

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of this French footballer to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The sources in the article are all primary. JTtheOG (talk) 08:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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X64dbg

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No evidence of notability, sources are primary or passing mentions, notability tag removed without improvements. Fram (talk) 10:11, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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I don't understand why this article is considered a candidate for deletion when similar debugging software like OllyDbg or Valgrind do not have this warning, despite all of the references being very similar in how they are listed, and being covered by news articles the same way. I don't see how it is a passing mention when the softwares are the primary talking point of the articles referenced. Even before the page was made, there were multiple different wikipedia pages which already pre-linked x64dbg, aswell as a work in progress draft, and the person who originally put the warning on the page had removed it. Partey Lover (talk) 00:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Other articles may have escaped scrutiny, or have better sources, or have better sources available (but not in the article). This discussion deals only with this one article though. The 4 current sources are the software's homepage and Github (both don't help for notability), and then this, which is not a page or section about X64dbg, but just someone using it, and this which is clearly a passing mention with no info or discussion about the software. To establish notability, we need significant, indepth coverage in reliable, independent sources. None of the four sources used offers that combination. Fram (talk) 07:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

The first article had a section for x64dbg and included multiple screenshots from it as well as a near 400 word long tutorial on how to use it, I don't see how an essays worth of text is considered a passing mention at all. Partey Lover (talk) 01:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

That source[3], a blog / guest column, is not about x64dbg, it uses it as a step in a much longer story. It doesn't have "an essays worth of text" about x64dbg at all. Fram (talk) 07:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

It is a large section of an article about reverse engineering, the section specifically documents parts of x64dbg in the context of how you would practically use it with reverse engineering. How do you classify this as someone "just using it" when it is a vital part of a demonstration, that's not how articles work, if he was "just using it" for himself it would not be documented on an article. Also, getting into the specifics here is completely unnecessary, but 400 words is absolutely enough to be considered an essay. Partey Lover (talk) 23:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

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Nellore Airport

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Always been a proposed airport, no developments. Appears to be TOOSOON. Can be recreated if the airport actually reaches construction or approval stages. Thewikizoomer (talk) 07:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. The "proposed" project is still going through designs, plans, bids, contracts, budget, approvals and is too early to warrant a standalone Page on this airport. Case of WP:TOOSOON and not notable as of yet. RangersRus (talk) 12:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete: WP:TOOSOON and fails WP:GNG. Charliehdb (talk) 15:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep or Merge to Dagadarthi or Nellore. This appears to have attracted a lot of coverage already, but if it isn't notable enough for a stand-alone article yet we should merge to one of the above articles. Thryduulf (talk) 16:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep (or Merge) - there's extensive coverage of the project's multi-year development saga. ~~Note WP:CRYSTAL~~ Eg, 2018: Centre okays 3 airports in AP; efforts on to expedite tenders, 2020: A.P. govt. cancels Nellore international airport concession agreement, 2022:Works for Nellore airport to begin in April, 2024: Govt. proposes to set up four new airports in Andhra Pradesh. FWIW TOOSOON is not really relevant (and is an essay, WP:CRYSTAL is policy), notability is available because of the attempt to develop the airport. However, WP:NOPAGE is useful to recall and agree with Thryduulf, merging to one of the local towns could be appropriate to the point when (if) construction officially begins. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 07:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Roberto Vera Monroig

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Fails WP:NPOL. A mayor of Adjuntas needs to pass WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO to merit a standalone article, Monroig does not pass any of these. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Rigoberto Ramos

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Simply fails WP:NPOL. Nothing to establish notability based on WP:GNG either. A mayor of Adjuntas has to pass GNG or ANYBIO to merit a standalone page. Ramos does not pass any of these. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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2024 Top End T20 Series

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We don't need separate season articles for local T20 tournaments like this one, as they don't meet WP:GNG for WP:SUSTAINED coverage. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Per nom. AA (talk) 09:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

World Defense Show

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The exhibition fails to meet WP:EVENT. Lacks WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and WP:DIVERSE. Arguably WP:TOOSOON. TCBT1CSI (talk) 07:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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2024 Delhi Premier League T20

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Another example of a local Indian cricket tournament that doesn't need separate season articles. The fact that the teams are mostly non notable players (with 1-2 exceptions per team) makes it no surprise to me that this season article doesn't pass WP:GNG independently of general coverage about tournament creation which is relevant mainly to the parent article Delhi Premier League T20. We need to stop creating season articles for every local one city or state T20 tournaments with non notable players. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Per nom. AA (talk) 09:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Joseph Simon Marcos

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Fails WP:GNG, most sources are from blog-type sources and only discusses the subject's temperament, hobbies and being the favorite son of incumbent President Bongbong Marcos. But WP:NOTINHERITED, being the son of the president does not make the subject notable. Simon is not a politician or a notable businessman in his own right as compared to someone like Sandro, a MP. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 07:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Sayeye Penhan

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Fails WP:NFILM in short. No critical reception whatsoever. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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La Lune (restaurant)

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It is a restaurant, a business, so falls under WP:NCORP. It has some write ups, in addition to the two on the page but these are self published (trip adviser), or not independent. The restaurant is nor Michelin starred, nor is there any other indication of notability. The page reads like an advert, because there is nothing else to say. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete A restaurant article based on 2 reviews of publications in the same city is not notable as per WP:AUD. Otherwise we'd be creating articles for every restaurant locally reviewed. LibStar (talk) 07:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

EveryoneOn

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Doesn't meet WP:NCORP and WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Hiram Bravo Moreno

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of this Mexican volleyball player to warrant a stand-alone article, failing WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Possible redirect targets include Mexico men's national volleyball team and 2022 FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship squads. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 06:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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2014 Acceleration at Portimão

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Nominated for this same reason

I appreciate this article creator's enthusiasm in the hope that Wikipedia will help to make it notable but editors should be advised of notability guidelines before creating. In this case, can it meet notability guidelines? No, unfortunately. Like everything in Acceleration 2014, nothing there meets notability guidelines.

Unneeded WP:CFORK that is solely useful to the tiniest minorities of dedicated fans, thats if they exist, and is too over reliant on WP:PRIMARY as having checked via WP:BEFORE, this brought in nothing. All the rounds are group together in this nomination for this same reason. What all those articles have in common is that they all fail WP:GNG, as well as having poor level of WP:SIGNIFICANCE and WP:EVENTCRIT, having lasted only a single season. Also, WP:NOSTATS and WP:NSPORTSEVENT, having being a racing series by anybody other than the most ardent fans who may come and fight for a keep vote. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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Comment: I appreciate this article creator's enthusiasm in the hope that Wikipedia will help to make it notable – What? What gives you this idea? Can you at least try not to disparage content creators, as you seem to do in every AfD nomination you make? Seriously, it's ridiculous that you cannot seem to help but put others down in your nominations. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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Bret Kamwi

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Article doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR and WP:ACTOR. At most impact, for directing a quite significantly covered play, I won't have at prejudice with redirecting to List of Namibian writers. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 13:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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Beykoz Arena

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No indication this stadium proposed more than 10 years ago was ever built. Google search returns a place of the same name which hosts pigeon racing. The club which supposedly will have a home at this stadium plays elsewhere, and according to their page here, have only played amateur competitions since 2011. C 679 04:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete There is Beykoz Stadyumu (stadium) with a 3k capacity, [4], however Arena? Besides, this is way below the threshold, delete per nom. Govvy (talk) 10:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Merge/redirect to Beykoz S.K.D.. Giant Snowman 14:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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List of programmes broadcast by Pogo

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Fails WP:NLIST. Sources are unreliable or do not talk about the programming as a whole. Many of the sources are primary cited to the channel itself. There is currently only eight active programs which can be merged into the main Pogo (TV channel). In fact, those programs don't even appear to be original programming so they originate with another network. As far as the argument that the list serves a purpose, there is already a category for its original programming which serves such purpose, especially since the shows listed here are mainly originating from other networks. CNMall41 (talk) 05:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Sandy Hook, Indiana

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A spot NE of Jackson Pond where the road goes one way and the railroad the other after running in parallel for some distance. Beyond that I have nothing except the one year post office, which is never a good sign. Mangoe (talk) 04:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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Dhamaal (TV channel)

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Sources are churnalism and based on a press release, WP:NEWSORGINDIA, or otherwise unreliable. WP:BEFORE found nothing that would meet WP:ORGCRIT. CNMall41 (talk) 04:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Dog Puller

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This seems overly advertisal and also doesn't seem especially notable. Lastly, I am suspicious of the sources. TanRabbitry (talk) 04:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: None of the sources provided are independent of Dog Puller or the brands that created it. This sport has received no attention from anyone that isn't trying to advertise it. Recon rabbit 14:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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Institute of Science and Technology, Bangladesh

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Non-notable educational institution. No independent, reliable sources could be found in English or Bengali that contain significant coverage of it, so there should not be a stand alone article on the topic. I had previously redirected it to List of institutes in Bangladesh, but was reverted by the author, an alumnus. Worldbruce (talk) 03:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to "List of institutes in Bangladesh" Fails WP:GNG and there is clearly a WP:COI issue around the article. Is Bangladesh Institute of Science and Technology a separate institute, as it looks very much alike. The Banner talk 09:59, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Revisionist Press

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Incredibly obscure book publisher with 0 sigcov. There's a few passing mentions that accuse this of being a front for the CIA (not joking) and little else, and a handful of complaints over financial issues and a lack of response (also all passing). Its parent company Gordon Press appears to be equally non-notable. The company that bought it, Run for Cover, also appears to be non notable. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Penguin Lawrence Edition

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This appears to be a series of critical reprints of the works of D. H. Lawrence. There is no sigcov, just the editions and the people citing the editions. Any publication details that exist in sourcing (as passing mentions) seem that they would make more sense to go on the page of the individual works. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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The Peel Club

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Fails WP:CLUB, not a seemingly national organization, nor has it received reliable and independent coverage from secondary sources. Only able to find primary sourcing via the subject's website and some selfhost/blog sites. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 02:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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The selfhost/blog site secondary source is the website of a professional historian (Laura Adkins) and published author (Kateryn Parr: Henry VIII's Sixth Queen ISBN: 9781399082853) which did a feature article on the The Peel Club as a sole subject matter.

Another major listed source, Historic UK, is a huge online website with over one million visitors per month for verified mainstream information, and writes about Robert Peel, the namesake of the The Peel Club in question, and references its archives of nationally-important history, with images also.

Both these sources are high quality, independently verifiable channels, which meet the criteria of Wikipedia. What flags suspicion or illegitimacy here is the selfhost/blog site type domain (as the algorithm already warned), but that type of web hosting format is the technical preference of the historian/journalist in question, and must be respected. It should be manually checked and the article read, but this flag for deletion arises from a source moniker standing out, and not from a manual check of the source article which is legitimate.

Lastly, The Peel Club is a sister institution of the Carlton Club and shares the same status as a national organisation, being that it is a secondary club-within-a-club there at 69 St James's Street, London SW1A 1PJ. The petition for page deletion is contested on these several grounds argued. Hellenistic accountant (talk) 02:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

"Fails WP:NCLUB" -- this test citation is a football association rating system to determine club notability. The page in question The Peel Club is a social private members' club for dining, not sports nor sporting team or football. Hellenistic accountant (talk) 02:59, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I corrected the cited policy, the shortcut was not NCLUB but is instead WP:CLUB. You can review this policy instead and go from there. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 03:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Pet Sitters International

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No evidence PSI meets N:ORG. A membership organization & trade association whose coverage is mostly non independent and definitely not in depth. Star Mississippi 02:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Costello, Jane (1999-09-02). "With Two Pet-Sitting Groups, Naturally Things Turn Catty". The Wall Street Journal. p. B1. ProQuest 398712141.
  The article notes: "After a series of catfights, Ms. Moran left NAPPS in 1993 and set up a rival organization, Pet Sitters International. The sponsor of Take Your Dog to Work Day, PSI now has 2,900 members, who pay $80 in annual dues. Through a correspondence school, PSI members can also apply to become an "Accredited Pet Sitting Technician" for $299. With further training, and another $179, there's the title "Advanced Pet Sitting Technician." For another $50, there's "Master Pet Sitting Professional." At PSI's conference in New Orleans next week, topics will include the "untapped market" for midday dog-walking and ways to avoid professional burnout. While PSI has accumulated the lion's share of pet sitters, NAPPS has recruited 1,200 members ..."
2. Sturiale, Jeanne (2004-03-19). "King Woman Is a Leader in the Field of Pet-Sitting - Members Accredited to Visit Pets in Homes". Winston-Salem Journal. Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.
  The article notes: "About 10 years ago, Patti Moran founded Pet Sitters International Inc. to encourage professionalism in the emerging field of in-home pet care. Since then, Pet Sitters International, a for-profit association in King, has grown to more than 6,000 members in nine countries, with members ranging from one-person shops to companies with 125 pet sitters on staff. ... After Moran sold her pet-sitting business in 1993, friends encouraged her to start an association. A year later, she formed Pet Sitters International. ... Moran wouldn't reveal profits, but, with annual member dues of $99, Pet Sitters International's sales exceed $500,000 a year."
3. Daniel, Fran (2014-04-06). "A furry friend's safe haven. Globe pet-sitting association began in Triad" (pages 1 and 2). Winston-Salem Journal. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "Patti Moran's love for dogs. cats and other pets morphed from a petting-sitting business into an international pet-sitting association based in King. Founded in 1994, Pet Sitters International is an educational organization for professional pet sitters. The association has 7,000 members, of which 331 are based in 30 countries outside the United States, including Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, Japan and Brazil. For the past 20 years, the association has focused on helping people start their own professional pet-sitting services by offering access to pet-sitter specific business and educational resources, as well as educating pet owners about the importance of choosing "quality pet-care providers.""
4. Caldwell, Neill (2019-11-06). "King-based worldwide organization celebrates 25 years". The Stokes News. Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.
  The article notes: "Pet Sitters International celebrated that 25th anniversary this past weekend during its annual World Educational Conference. Patti Moran is the founder and is considered a pioneer — not just for Pet Sitters International but for an entire industry that didn’t really exist until she envisioned it. The organization was started in Winston-Salem, but the Morans moved to King 22 years ago. ... In 1994, Moran founded Pet Sitters International (PSI). ... PSI began publishing the first magazine for professional pet sitters, now called Pet Sitter’s World. Moran and PSI also established Professional Pet Sitters Week, now a recognized, annual observance around the globe. The organization also promotes pet adoption, has an awards program, an online store and offers its members certifications and bonding. It is the world’s largest educational association for professional pet sitters and dog walkers."
5. Duea, Angela Williams (2008). How To Open & Operate a Financially Successful Pet Sitting Business. Ocala, Florida: Atlantic Publishing. pp. 34, 223–224. ISBN 978-1-60138-229-0. Retrieved 2024-08-12 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes on page 34: "Pet Sitters International (PSI) offers pet sitters an accreditation program to sharpen their professional skills. An in-depth educational program teaches pet sitters about pet care, health and nutrition, business management, office procedures, and additional services. The top pet sitting professionals in the industry have worked together to develop this coursework. While you can gain this knowledge in other places, such as by reading this book, PSI offers accreditation for students completing this coursework. Your clients will know that by hiring an accredited sitter, they are assured of hiring a professional with in-depth knowledge and skills in caring for pets and a good knowledge of modern pet-care practices. To become accredited, the pet sitter has to learn and exhibit a working knowledge of taking care of many types of animals and running an efficient business."
  The book notes on pages 223–224: "Pet Sitters International is dedicated to educating professional pet sitters and promoting, supporting, and recognizing excellence in pet sitting. This professional association offers pet sitters an accreditation program to sharpen their professional skills. An in-depth educational program teaches business management, office procedures, and additional services. The top pet-sitting professionals in the industry have worked together to develop this coursework."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Pet Sitters International to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

As always, thanks for the sources @Cunard, 5 was new to me but I'm not sure 1-4 are suitably independent as the blurbs are lifted from versions of their site which makes me think they're re-prints of press releases and other communications from Moran. Maybe the depth will end up being there given their history but I"ve not yet found it. Will keep looking too. Star Mississippi 12:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

It's unclear to me how these sources are lifted from versions of their website or are reprints of press releases. Reliable sources have covered the company's history, products, and initiatives like Take Your Dog to Work Day. This is the coverage I'd expect notable companies to receive. Some of this information is also covered on the company's website but I don't see any close paraphrasing or indication that the sources solely relied on what the company said. I think there's enough independent coverage from national publications like The Wall Street Journal and Atlantic Publishing to meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria. Cunard (talk) 08:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

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keep based on the first two sources surfaced by @Cunard above. The Winston Salem Journal article is independent and significant coverage, and the WSJ article is not particularly long but is in-depth and independent. Both meet SIGCOV. I can't access #3 but it looks like it could go either way. 4 and 5 seem quite PR/publicity driven (not saying #5 is not independent, but the information seems regurgitated). Oblivy (talk) 02:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Moscow Water Dog

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~~I believe that this 18-year-old article is, in fact, a very long lived hoax.~~ The article itself features no sources that even mention the "Moscow Water Dog". The article for, and every source regarding, the Russian Black Terrier (which this article claims is in part derived from the Moscow Water Dog) do not mention the Water Dog at all. I conducted a review of online sources; the only sources I can find that mention this supposed breed are purely AI-generated slop that has combed from Wikipedia, and a work of fiction that uses this article as inspiration.. There is as far as I can tell absolutely no evidence whatsoever of the MWD or any attempt at breeding it, so I believe the article is an intentional hoax added to Wikipedia when quality control was much lower (2006!) which has somehow survived until now. CoconutOctopus talk 17:32, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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Comment this subject appears in other languages on Wikipedia, such as the country of origin. Can you check the Russian Wikipedia for potential sources? I am not opposed to deletion or keeping but I am opposed to speedy deletion. The creator for the article also was a prolific editor in animal-related articles, which makes me think it is unlikely to be a hoax. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:07, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
I agree, an intentional hoax for this editor is most unlikely. Ceoil (talk) 18:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll be honest, I completely forgot to check other languages. The Russian article does feature a few sources that seem to confirm the water dog's existance so that takes hoax off the table!

Regardless, I'm not convinced there's enough evidence to support the article remaining, as as far as I can tell the dog was never a registered breed and there's very little coverage of it, and even less in English. The sources that do mention it purely mention it in passing when discussing either Red Star Kennels or the Black Terrier.

Russian wikipedia source one

source two CoconutOctopus talk 18:54, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
CoconutOctopus, in honor of Yoman, would you mind striking the hoax text from the intro? Thank you, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks CoconutOctopus for striking. Ceoil (talk) 20:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks from me, as well. Yomangani wrote FAs Laika and Beagle (among many others), so he seems to have loved the critters, and wasn't the sort to create a hoax; he knew dogs. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:46, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Leaning Keep: search books.google.com, scroll past the first page of results (those are mostly all Wikipedia mirrors), and there are scores of legit books discussing this breed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Leaning Keep these sources seem to be enough to support existence and some notability: [5] [6]

I can look further if you want to see if more sources exist. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Please do Traumnovelle. Ceoil (talk) 01:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

[7] mentioned here, might just be trivial.

[8] mentioned here, not a notable mention but a good source to show this isn't a hoax and the Kutepov source it mentions might be good coverage of the breed.

[9]

I presume there will be greater coverage in Russian sources too. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Graham Beards (talk · contribs), I see on this page that you speak Russian; might you have time to see if there are usable sources in the Russian article, for a save for our old friend and FA writer, Yomangani? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

AKC Gazette has enough in the viewable snippett to indicate AKC took it seriously. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Hi Sandy, the sources on the Russian Wikipedia page are largely mediocre. This one from The National Kennel Club on the Black Russian Terrier seems authoritative: [10] Google provides a reasonable translation of the page. The breed (московский водолаз) is mentioned in the first paragraph. Graham Beards (talk) 06:17, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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Josh MacDonald

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT. All primary sources except 2. The BBC article does not even mention MacDonald. The Echo article may be considered third party coverage but SPORTCRIT requires multiple sources. LibStar (talk) 01:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Jaimon Lidsey

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. All sources provided are primary except the Eurosport article. When I read that article it contains no mention of Lidsey. A search for sources only comes up with speedway related sources which are primary. LibStar (talk) 01:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Ansolet Rossouw

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Not a notable model. No references that are non-trivial and non-promotional. Walsh90210 (talk) 01:06, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Point me to which references are "trivial" or "promotional" as last I checked, News24 is a South African news website, not PR Newswire. Marie Claire is a fashion magazine. V is a fashion magazine. CR Fashion Book is a fashion magazine and so on. None of them are providing trivia. They verified the work she's done and according to the sources… it's notable. Trillfendi (talk) 05:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Vĩnh Hòa

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All of the entries on this dab page are redlinks, apart from one to the Vĩnh Hòa, Nha Trang location. This disambiguation page does not list articles associated with the same title. It is effectively being used as a category page, ~~so it would be better converted to a category~~. Northernhenge (talk) 11:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete those red links will less likely to be created as it lacks notability or even mentioned in the articles per se so it clearly violates MOS:DABRL Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 12:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Delete: DAB with one entry, nothing to DAB. I don't see any particular benefit to creating a category for this either. -- D'n'B-t -- 12:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep: It is not a problem if dab page entries are red links, as long as they include one blue link to an article which mentions the topic. I've cleaned up this dab page, and the remaining red-linked communes are all mentioned in their district pages (though not sourced in most/all cases). For all I know this means "North area" or something similarly generic, but it seems useful to offer a dab page given that this placename is used for so many identifiable communes. It's now a properly formatted dab page with valid entries. PamD 08:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks – I can see now that wp:PRIMARYRED could apply. I’ve added a link to Vĩnh Hòa, An Giang. I see there are other articles for similarly names places, for example
but it would need a native speaker or subject expert to say whether or not they are the same name, and whether (as PamD says) the name is significant in itself. I still think a category would be a better way of grouping these together though via their larger province areas, given the unlikelihood of notability being established for each individual commune/ward. The articles we do have pretty much just say the places exist. --Northernhenge (talk) 10:03, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean, as you can't have red linked entities in a category. You wouldn't want a category of "Districts which include a commune called Vinh Hoa". Given that these all get a mention on their district page, it seems a useful and correct dab page. PamD 10:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
You wouldn't want a category of "Districts which include a commune called Vinh Hoa" – True! --Northernhenge (talk) 11:17, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
@Northernhenge I still don't understand what you meant when you said a category would be a better way of grouping these together though via their larger province areas. Could you clarify? PamD 12:02, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
I think it would have resembled "Districts which include a commune called Vinh Hoa" which, now I’ve seen it written down, doesn’t look sensible. --Northernhenge (talk) 16:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

And as you suggest, those of us who aren't familiar with Vietnamese have no right to make assumptions as to whether these other places are the same or different - but I've recently almost confused placenames Unsworth and Usworth in my own country, so there's no reason to suppose that they are the same. Best left well alone, as long as dab pages are correctly formatted and we don't have red links without a mention in a blue-linked article. PamD 10:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep The Vietnamese vi:Vĩnh_Hòa_(định_hướng) has 14 blue links, of which 4+2 seem substantial (non-stub) articles. These are not the usual dab redlinks because of non-notability, but because of language barrier and (deemed) low importance for en-wiki. But that's not the problem of the Dab page, so I appeal to WP:IAR in this case. – sgeureka ^t•c 13:19, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

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Keep as a Disamb page it may required cleanup but not a goog idea to delete. 2402:AD80:A1:8D76:1:0:E275:1FDD (talk) 22:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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Keep: Even if the red links were removed, there are still two articles that "Vĩnh Hòa" could refer to with no primary topic, so a disambiguation page is required. I wouldn't've relisted here. C F A 💬 03:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Agreed. The discussion changed as soon as PamD dealt with the issues. No need to relist. —Northernhenge (talk) 10:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep. As CFA notes, we have two valid disambiguation targets and no primary topic. If one or both of the disambiguated articles are AfD'd, we can come back to this page, but for now there's no valid rationale to delete. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Central Illinois' On-Line Broadcast Museum

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Fails WP:GNG; written like an advertisement. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 00:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Rawalakot prison escape

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This appears to fail WP:NEVENTS due to lack of WP:PERSISTENCE coverage and a lack of WP:LASTING impact. The coverage seems routine and since WP is not a newspaper, we shouldn't create articles on every event just because it has been reported in WP:109PAPERS. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:54, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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Comment does the prison itself have any notability? I don't dispute this fails NEVENT, but I am curious. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:43, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Delete: Per nominations, so far no Independent coverage by reliable sources has found it also lack in WP:NNEWS. 2402:AD80:A1:8D76:1:0:E275:1FDD (talk) 21:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
I mean there is plenty of reliable coverage. Lasting coverage is the question. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:05, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
PARAKANYAA, Agree, there is coverage in Independent RS; I’m not denying that. RE your question about whether the prison itself is notable, it’s not because we don’t have an article on it. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
@Saqib Well, we don't have a lot of articles on things that would qualify under our GNG. Not saying this is one of them, but I was curious. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:02, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

And I'm not contesting the delete vote, just that specific argument. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:02, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
PARAKANYAA, If anyone wants to rename the article to Rawalakot Prison, I have no objection. This way, we can retain the information in this article. However, I haven’t checked yet if this prison itself meets the GNG. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I do not think that this article should be deleted rather it should be merged along with other small prison breaks like Dera Ismail Prison attack, Bannu prison break(does not have an article yet) into a single article "Prison Breaks in Pakistan". Tahir Pro (talk) 08:54, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: I updated the article to include additional relevant information and believe it should be kept. The WP:PERSISTENCE and WP:LASTING are not fully applicable, as the event’s significance is evident and continues to receive coverage. AJK is one of the most peaceful regions, and such events rarely happen here, which adds to the notability of the incident. Furthermore, escapes, including those charged with terrorism and death row prisoners, make this remarkable and lasting impact of this event. — Ainty Painty (talk) 08:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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Inter-Services Public Relations media productions

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Fails WP:NLIST. Mention insignificant work. WP:NOT DIRECTORY — Saqib (talk I contribs) 06:44, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom, it's just raw list and not much explanations about the production company. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:58, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete - In agreement with the nominator and previous voter. The article has no encyclopedic context or explanatory value for the interested reader. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
KEEP - This is a part of ISPR's main page. Just like many other pages have separate list pages. For example, Tom Hanks has a separate list page called List of Tom Hanks performances and credits. Another huge list is List of songs recorded by Lata Mangeshkar. Every production house has a separate list for their work like List of Paramount Pictures films (2010–2019). So, strongly KEEP.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 18:51, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:31, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep as per Ameen Akbar. Muneebll (talk) 19:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Muneebll, OK but Ameen presented an argument that wasn't based on policy. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
  - Ameen's argument has a substance. We do have separate articles to avoid the article getting too long. If we delete this article, all this information has to be added back in the main article which will make it lengthy. Various entries in the article have their own article as well making the content encyclopedic. Muneebll (talk) 08:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
    - Muneebll, ...all this information has to be added back in the main article which will make it lengthy. Not really. Various entries in the article have their own article... I don't see that. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
      - Except for documentaries, most does. Documentaries also have sources given. In filmography sections, not every entry has article but we still mention them because the main subject is notable. Regardless of your ~~superficial~~ personal view, content of this article being encyclopedic has to be on Wikipedia, either in this article or main article. Muneebll (talk) 08:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
        Muneebll, Regardless of your superficial view WP:ADHOM. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
        Not really, I don't see that...isn't a proper response either. WP:PPOV Muneebll (talk) 13:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
      @Saqib: are you suggesting that the content in this page be merged selectively into the main one? That seems to be the most logical outcome. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 11:09, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
      CherryPie94, Sure, why not. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:14, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete: Per nom. NOTDIR and fails NLIST. No notability for a standalone list. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:03, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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Merge into Inter-Services Public Relations selectively: per @Saqib. A directory not discussed together by a reliable source without appropriate list criteria should not be kept. If ISPR was 8000 words long (it is a small fraction of that), WP:SIZESPLIT is possible. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 11:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Keep. This list meets the "information" criterion of WP:LISTPURPOSE, with verifiable information about a specific aspect of the activity of the subject, and it's not appropriate for a merge because it would make the parent article significantly longer and less focused. There's no requirement for each of the individual items to be "significant" or independently notable. It doesn't meet the criteria of WP:NOTDIR (the contents are well-organized, (mostly) verified and include contextual info) so that element of the nomination doesn't apply. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dclemens1971, WP:LISTPURPOSE Why are you referencing WP:MOS? You should cite a notability related policy or guideline. it's not appropriate for a merge Not all items on this list will be merged; only specific parts will be. There's no requirement for each of the individual items to be "significant" or independently notable Do you have any notability related policies or guidelines that confirm this? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 14:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
  NLIST cites LISTPURPOSE, so it is connected to a notability guideline and appropriate to cite here. As for the notability of individual list entries, see the second criterion under WP:CSC; there can be valid informational purposes for lists whose individual entries are not notable and I think that’s the case here. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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Template:WikiProject Donald Trump invitation

Template:WikiProject Donald Trump invitation (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WikiProject Hillary Clinton invitation (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Donald Trump and Wikipedia:WikiProject Hillary Clinton were redirected after this MfD. Nothing left to invite to. Gonnym (talk) 08:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:List of sea captains and pilots

Template:List of sea captains and pilots (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unnecessary template that has only been used for a very small subset of List of sea captains from a specific region, and all for articles created by a single (now banned) user. Melcous (talk) 07:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom. This template is essentially a navel-gazing exercise within a single now-banned editor's walled garden. It's inappropriately scoped for (and not integrated into) the greater encyclopedia, and most of the articles from the original set are of dubious notability and have since been deleted/redirected or inevitably will be soon. Left guide (talk) 08:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Christian Democratic National Peasants' Party

Template:Christian Democratic National Peasants' Party (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Conservative Party (Romania) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Democratic Liberal Party (Romania) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Greater Romania Party (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:National Liberal Party (Romania) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:New Generation Party (Romania) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Social Democratic Party (Romania) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The above are links to political party names. We've migrated over to use Module:Political party as a database for these. Add these if they are missing to the module, and replace usages with the relevant template. Gonnym (talk) 06:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Deltarune

Template:Deltarune (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Completely overlaps with Template:Undertale, which Deltarune is in the same franchise in and houses no unique content on its own. It is nearly an exact duplicate of the Undertale navbox, with the only differences being some content getting moved around. And when you take out the content that is only related to Undertale / originates from it, you are left with two articles, that being Deltarune and its soundtrack, which are linked to eachother consistently. Additionally, all pages related to Deltarune already have the Undertale navbox. Basically, this template is useless. λ NegativeMP1 00:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Maybe change the Undertale one to "Undertale and Deltarune" then? Benpiano800 (talk) 00:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

That would be the best result honestly. I would have suggested just keeping the whole thing under Toby Fox's template but I digress.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree that this is the best solution, especially as the two works are very intentionally connected by the author, so it’s unlikely that they will diverge that much more (if anything, the recent UT character articles will likely be intermingled with Deltarune more). ― novov (t c) 01:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Seems like a fair solution. Are template merges possible? λ NegativeMP1 02:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, just basically copy everything over and redirect the Deltarune template to the Undertale one.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Files for discussion

August 19

Categories for discussion

August 19

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Turing machine

Propose renaming Category:Turing machine to Category:Turing machines

Nominator's rationale: Should be plural per similar categories. Ixfd64 (talk) 06:50, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

oppose. It contains not only machines, but things related to them. Instead, it makes sense to create a subcategory specifically for machines. --Altenmann >talk 06:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Category:NASCAR by year

Propose merging Category:NASCAR by year to Category:NASCAR seasons

Nominator's rationale: As Category:NASCAR seasons is described as 'This category contains articles on individual years in NASCAR.' I suggest to merge these categories accordingly. Robby (talk) 05:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Category:Abbots from the British Isles

Propose renaming Category:Abbots from the British Isles to Category:British abbots

Nominator's rationale: Rename (probably speedy). Perhaps I'm missing something really obvious, but I don't see why this category isn't called British abbots. (Obviously, we'd need to remove Irish abbots; I couldn't find an Abbots from Northern Ireland category) Mason (talk) 00:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Rename, reparent and purge per nom. It is very unusual to group biographies by region instead of by nationality and there does not seem to be any particular reason for it. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia utility templates

Propose merging Category:Wikipedia utility templates to Category:Wikipedia templates by task

Nominator's rationale: I propose to upmerge to Category:Wikipedia templates by task, because the word "utility" doesn't mean anything specific. The description doesn't help either:

Templates in this category are used in articles, portals, templates, and other pages to help create and format those pages.
If you do not immediately find what you are looking for in here, try the subcategories.

Dumping everything into Category:Wikipedia templates by task will help subcategorizing the templates and the subcategories, once more of them are visible in the same category. —⁠andrybak (talk) 13:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Do we have any history to suggest that templates being put directly into the by task category will get subcategorized through regular maintenance instead of just removing the by task category? Does the description at Category:Wikipedia templates by task need to be updated to indicate that templates should only be subcategorized instead of removed from that category before making this move? Van Isaac, GHTV^cont_WpWS 18:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

For example, Category:Sidebar templates by topic (9) together with Category:Sidebar templates (7) around four years ago used to have hundreds of templates directly in them. Partly, because of the weird naming until Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 April 27#Category:"Part of a series on" sidebar templates. The subcategorization by me started around the time of this discussion. A couple hundreds of subcategories were created, e.g. approximately 168 in these 500 edits.

Similarly, several thousand templates used to be in Category:Userboxes (835). There, several participants of the WikiProject Userboxes worked on it after the invitation (see also one, two, three, four, five). It was brought down to just the meta-templates (like {{Userbox}}), but then started climbing again. Nowadays, only Catfurball is working on it, as far as I know, so the counter is back up to eight hundred. —⁠andrybak (talk) 09:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Plus, I've already started subcategorizing Category:Wikipedia utility templates (283), starting with Repetition templates and HTML single tag templates/Wikipedia XHTML tag-replacing templates. —⁠andrybak (talk) 10:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Category:18th-century Carniolan painters

Propose merging Category:18th-century Carniolan painters to Category:18th-century Carniolan people and Category:Carniolan painters

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge for now. This is an isolated underpopulated category, with limited diffusion value given the size of Category:Carniolan painters (5) category. Mason (talk) 00:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Redirects for discussion

August 19

Medical coding

Medical coding → Medical classification (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Clinical coding → Clinical coder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Medical and clinical coding are terms for the same thing. Of note; I boldly changed the medical coding redirect to match that of clinical coding in 2019. It was manually reverted to the previous, and now current, target in Aug 2023. I'm of the opinion that pointing the process (i.e. coding) to the profession (coder) is what a reader would expect rather than the tools used (classification), but they should at least have the same target. Little pob (talk) 21:55, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Retarget clinical coding to medical classification per nom. Keep medical coding as is. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Regarding the "per nom", what you suggested is the opposite of the nomination. Jay 💬 16:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Definitely agree that they should point to the same place. I tend to think that medical classification is basically a synonym, and thus a better target. That article is a bit of a mess though, it seems to be discussing several different things. CapitalSasha ~ talk 23:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Hmm... I hadn't recognised that classification has (at least) two definitions here:
1. The classifying of medical terms through the system of coding - seemingly the approach of the respondents so far
2. The tools used by the coders - my sole interpretation until now
I don't think either view point is wrong. If closer sees no consensus, perhaps a temporary DAB page with tracking could be considered? (I think such a process exists but not how to set up, nor the proper terminology to even be able to look for help on doing so (assuming non-sysop editors like myself would even be able to set such a thing up).)

I agree that classification needs work. In fact the whole topic area needs looking at. It had been a long term project of mine, and possibly might still get round to it, but I'm much more of a wikignome than a wikifairy. Little pob (talk) 15:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
When I created the redirect from Clinical coding to Clinical coder I wasn't aware of the Medical coding redirect. That's because most countries have moved their terminology to the broader term and my own country never used the term. (I started as a medical statistics clerk and after a while the position was renamed as a clinical coder.) I agree that the two terms are synonymous and should redirect to the same place. Clinical/Medical coding is what a clinical coder does, while medical classification is a broader topic which includes the clinical classifications used and the tools utilised to implement the classifications in the field as well as the end uses of the data produced. My personal preference would be to see Medical classification rewritten and moved to Clinical classification. The justification for this is that the classifications covered in the article are broader than the "medical" domain and by using the term "clinical" we can encompass nursing, vetinary, severity, pharmacological, and allied health classifications. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Agree that these should both be directed to the same destination. I note above there are plans to do further work on articles about clinical coding. In the meantime I think medical classification is the best currently available destination. Mgp28 (talk) 15:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist. I've tagged both redirects since they weren't tagged by the nom.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Cock destroyers

Cock destroyers → Rebecca More (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The Cock Destroyers and Cock Destroyers were deleted in January, same rationale applies. Laun chba ller 09:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. No disagreement from me. (I created this redirect originally.) FWDekker (talk) 10:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Nazi resistance

Nazi resistance → Werwolf (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I suggest disambiguating between Werwolf and German resistance to Nazism or simply changing the target to the latter. Personally, I have the impression that when most people refer to "Nazi resistance", they are thinking about resistance to the Nazis, not resistance by the Nazis, although perhaps it is not a very clear phrasing. A dispute is evident in the redirect's edit history. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Support retarget to German resistance to Nazism; seems like a more natural redirect target than what it is currently. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 02:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Miscellany for deletion

See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion, as MfD uses subpages for the nominations like AfD but places them within the process's main page.

Speedy deletion

See Category:Candidates for speedy deletion.

Proposed deletion

See Category:Proposed deletion as of 19 August 2024.