User talk:Bzuk/Archive 8

Image policy

Hi saw your note at WP:Possibly unfree files/2009 July 8#File:Viper Test rig.jpg. If you check out Wikipedia:Image use policy you will see hwat needs to be done. Basically you are going to have to add a suitable license Jezhotwells (talk) 22:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Julie Clark

BillZ, I saw that you were the author of File:T-34 Mentor "Free Spirit" of Julie Clark.jpg. Would you happen to have a head shot of Ms. Clark that can be added to Julie Clark? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Charles Lindbergh

I noticed you undid my revision of Charles Lindburgh. Ok. Just so that you know why I did it, I think that the article is too chronological and doesn't need to be. I believe that if we group like things together such as later life and burial, early life and family and military career, conolidating the items that are scattered throughout the article it will be more meaningful to the reader. I also am planning on doing some major work on expanding the references and adding inline citations as well as rewording the bulletized popular culture section into prose. There are also a number of references that I would consider to be uneeded or weak and I am planning on cleaning that up as well over the next few weeks. I think this is a very important article and should be at least a good article if not better. Obviously you have strong feelings about it as well and I wanted to let you know my intentions so we aren't stepping over each others edits and getting into an edit war.--Kumioko (talk) 15:28, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I started restructuring the article in one of my sandboxes. Here is what I have done so far. CAL Article so far. I started restructuring some of the sections, created subsections for his awards and reorganized them, I still need to expand on them but I will get to that soon. I also changed some wording on a few things but there are some more things I need to reword in order to comply with WP guidlines. --Kumioko (talk) 17:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I will bare your comments in mind. As far as the stature of my edits I am just getting started and will be adding more content in time. Once I am done I think it will turn out all right. The biggest problem with this particular article is the sheer volume of information on CAL and trying to whittle it down to a manageable amount without the article hitting critical mass. The truth is IMO he did so much in such a sporadic manner that its difficult to read through the article when the subject is bouncing back and forth from subject to subject. I will keep working in my sandbox and we'll see what it looks like when I am done. --Kumioko (talk) 18:29, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

He 111

I had nominated this page for GA, but I'm not getting much attention. If you can, could you have a look? Dapi89 (talk) 15:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

FA you say? I am pleased. Although they might complain about the length. I'll fix the raised issues, thanks again. This maybe a little early, but is your book selling well?! Dapi89 (talk) 18:07, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Strategic Air Command

We seem to have a user insisting on removing the material you restored. I restored it (again) and opened up a discussion on Talk:Strategic Air Command (film). You are welcome to comment! -OberRanks (talk) 04:22, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Beurling

Buongiorno Bzulk, what is very dubious? (And what is about your new book? I just sent the final draft of my novel about italian pilots in second world war and today I am going to Malta to visit the Beurling places overe there, Ta Qali, Luqa and oters...)

regards from Roma! --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 05:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

A-1 Skyraider‎

Thanks for the edit of my additions to the A-1 Skyraider‎ article. It is much improved and looks great.Sciacchitano (talk) 22:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism warnings

I see you recently added {{uw-vandal1}}, {{uw-vandal2}} and {{uw-vandal3}} in a single edit at User talk:86.155.38.51. Actually, you don't need to issue a warning for each instance of vandalism by a user. Just warn for the most recent instance, and then wait a while to see whether it makes a difference. If the user continues vandalising having had a chance to read a warning, then escalate (per advice here). BTW, it is OK to jump straight to {{uw-vandal2}} if there's no way the edit could be a good-faith edit/test/mistake. Hope this helps - Pointillist (talk) 17:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Reggiane

I know what you mean but these sorties are interesting because they were rather few and the REggiane shot down few Spitfires as you know.... even if they were considered inferior.... what could we put in the operational history of this plane? There is not that much, it is not like the Spitfire, the Hurricane etc. Salve da ROma --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 22:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Roger!

--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 05:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Macchi 205, the Italian Greyhound

Yes I know that the Mustang was faster, and even more confortable and in some way more modern with its type of wing, oxigen mask, gunsights they could almost produce for you a hot coffe and rock music on the radio :) But I quoted that author and did not want to add more personal informations... I met pilots who flown both types and they told me the well known history: the C.205, designed for low medium height over there was superior to P-51, P-47, P-39, P-38. Spitfire, Hurricane, Kittyhawk Messerschmitts and Focke Wulf, and even to Fiat G.55 that was regarded as best Axis fighter... but we are not going in that discussion, right? :)etc. About Doglio-Beurling, that is the only air combat of C.202 that ALL books on Malta airwar quote... for the importance of the two pilots involved, let's remember that Doglio held 9 world records and was probably the most experienced and renowed pilot of ww2 (he had many hundreds of hours of aerobatics only, where Beurling was a novice compared to him..) and he was killed without even knowing just because of the radar guide system... and of course Beurling could shot...) Saluti da Roma and best wishes for your book...

Peacocky? Waht does it mean? Sorry but I am a simple man, the words confuse me sometimes...

--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 20:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC) --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 06:17,

28 July 2009 (UTC) 

"Hardly"? We should ask to those two able Malta Raf SPitfire...

saluti--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 19:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Mediation - Anna Anderson

I would like to thank you as an uninvolved observer taking the time to enquire as to whether a mediation process had been attempted at the Anna Anderson page. DrKiernan is quite correct that there have been other administrators look at the problems associated with the page. Both Trusliver and Alexius Horatius were very helpful. I have been associated with this page for a number of years and have tried to improve it adding numerous credible resources. What has happened was that the page was pushing a very strong POV agenda that Anna Anderson was Grand Duchess Anastasia. That has been totally proven to not be the case. Sadly what has eventuated has been an edit war where supporters of Anderson have tried to push their POV agenda in the face of known fact. Both administrators Trusiliver and Alexius Horatius have clearly tried to stop this. Their viewpoints have been ignored by the Anderson supporters. DrKiernan has tried to create a new article. What has happened though lately is that those pushing the Anderson is Anastasia agenda have been once again causing issues and those trying to present fact have been told they were no longer wanted hence DrKiernan wanting to ban me from the page. Niether Trusilver or Alexius Horatius believed that was necessary. In fact both were quite objective. The real issue with the Anderson supporters is that they continue to wish to push sources that while published are no longer at all verifiable or accurate. When this is presented those who wish to see reality presented are attacked and informed they are unhelpful. In fact both Trusilver and Alexius Horatius were worn down by the constant POV campaign by Anderson supporters. Real mediation is no longer occurring. Gwen Gale did step in but as archives display was not helpful and tended to back only one side. In fact there was a problem between this administrator and DrKiernan. I have tried to be supportive of DrKiernan. If you check his discussion page and archive on the issue this is fairly apparent. I feel now he has lost his objectivity as an administrator and needs assistance to allow consensus and a NPOV. I have purposely been keeping away from the webpage since DrKiernan put his opinion on the Administrator noticeboard. Sadly the Anna Anderson page has been in a state of edit war for far too long. DrKiernan has tried to stop this. What appears to be happening now though is he feels he is the only one capable of making edits to the page. It is of course necessary to stop edit wars. I agree with that totally. Locking out viewpoints not in line with Anderson supporters is not only preventing historical reality being presented, but also making the article very POV and inaccurate. I don't know what the solution is. I do know I am not the problem I am being painted to be. Other editors need investigation. DrKiernan for whatever reason does not wish to do this which would seem to be rather unobjective. There have been considerable problems caused by User talk:ChatNoir24, User talk:JohnK and one who has gone by Usertalk:RevAntonio and also uses 75.. and 76.. entries. User talk:Aggiebean is constantly attacked for expressing an opinion contrary to the Anderson supporters. It's all a sad situation. Certainly the article is no longer a place for discussion and no mediation is taking place. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Finneganw 04:16, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

About your latest edits to Boeing 247...

I have a few questions:

• This edit reverted my edit about the 247's forward-sloped windscreen not being unique to Boeing. May I ask why?
• That edit also restored the quote "Ordered off the drawing board", moving it to the intro. I had removed this phrase because, as written, it's not clear what it's trying to say, and I still feel this way, so I'm wondering why you restored it.
• You seem to prefer hand-coded citations to the use of citation templates. Since you mention the MLA Style Guide, I assume this is for style reasons, and I do prefer your style for book references, but I thought that Wikipedia prefers that the templates be used.

I hope you don't mind my asking these. If you prefer, we can move this to the article talk page. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 03:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply on my talk page; I've responded to you there. In short, I'm now OK with your changes. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 20:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Confirming Gavin Bailey

Hi Bzuk, I can confirm that I contacted Gavin via the email address given here. I had grave doubts about Kurfurst's claim and I contacted Mr Bailey because I thought it only fair that he knew his name was being used in this way. In a way I feel responsible for creating this situation by posting the associated forum - at the time I was tired of Kurfurst's constant undermining of my work; I wanted to make it clear that this wasn't just happening on Wikipedia. Nevertheless he chose to reply in this petulent and underhanded way. Personally I am furious about this, because it is this type of behaviour that undermines Wikipedia as a whole. I'm not certain that I want to continue. Regards Minorhistorian (talk) 22:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Charles Lindbergh

I was going through some of the articles I have been working on for a while to see which ones where ready to submit for various things (FA, GA, A, peer review, etc) and I think this article is well beyond the requirements for GA so I was going to submit it. Before I did though I wanted to run it by you since you are the number 2 editor. I will also leave a message on Centpacr's page since he is by far the #1. --Kumioko (talk) 18:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I have submitted the Charles Lindbergh article for GA. Before I make any changes (presumably there will be some suggestions) I will consult you and Centpacrr before making any changes. Although there are several categories he could fall in I placed it in the Transport category.--Kumioko (talk) 15:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Repeated removal of templates

What's your problem with templated references? Andy Dingley (talk) 19:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Unusual/Interesting

I understand that the accomplishmewnts of the aviatrix in question are both unusual and interesting; however, we need a reliable third party source to point that out for us or it is original research. Threse adjectives are highly sujective.--Die4Dixie (talk) 05:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

A few too many bourbon and cokes, but you catch my drift ;)--Die4Dixie (talk) 08:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe that they were both interesting and unusual. I see that you are an scholar in the field. Policy is to list the ocupations and allow readers to form their own opinions about it. If there are reliable sources that make the point, then you can use them. You really are on the wrong side of policy here. Now if you have published on it, then you can quote and attribute to yourself in the third person. I understand your passion here, but it may be clouding your judgement a little bit.--Die4Dixie (talk) 15:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

"SUPER Super Sabre"

BillZ, I just want to confirm that before you reverted my addition of the Verify Sources tag, that you actually know for certain that the given sources do in fact state "Super Super Sabre", and not "Ultra Sabre". The {{verify source}} tag is used to either ask for sources to back up the clims, or to ask someone to actually check the sources themselves. I am questioning this because the claimed names have been changed several times, and we need to know what the sources actually say in order to verify which name is in those sources. By Removing the VS tag, you are asserting that you do in fact know tha thte sources state this becuase you've actually looked on those pges, and seen it your self, either now, or in the past. Is this correct? Your edit summary was not clear on this point. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I juat wanted to make sure, as I'm sure the issue will keep cropping up from time to time. Btw, do you ever remember seeing "Ultra Sabre" in any of your books? Just to be faur to the others ;) Thanks again. - BilCat (talk) 23:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films July 2009 Newsletter

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Ki-61

I read the usual, annoying reverting about my edits. It's more than enough: since you and Ahunt are so interested to revert my edits, then you should explain WHY someone can censor another editor everytime he edits. It's really amusing.--Stefanomencarelli (talk) 21:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

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Dear mr. Bzuk, since you laugh when i speak about a 'plot' against me, you surely can explain why two aviation contibutors like Ahunt and Nimbus are suddently so interested in the movies like Robin and Marian, right?

There is obviously no plot agaist me: these are the last 5,000 edit of Nimbus:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20090124231714&limit=10000&target=Nimbus227

And Ahunt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20090124231714&limit=5000&target=Ahunt

Strange thing, isn't? 10,000 edits and no one about movies, except to revert my poor edits. This is a casuality, cleary: we have just 3,000,000 articles, and 5,000,000 users, but wait, i am the only one that deserve, in the movie section, the careless rollback from two wikiaviators. Hmmm, it's toooooo strange to be believed. Too easy, instead, that there is a play against me and whetever editing i do. Even two lines in the DB-603 engine are not welcomed and not because being poorly written, but because G.56 was 'experimental' and Ta-152C was good (wrong, they were both prototypes, why one yes and the other not?).. the usual Ahunt strikes again.

No dear mr. Bzuk, i don't buy it. You can laugh at will, but there is no need of Sherlock Holmes to see how there are things too strange to be believed as 'normal'. To not to talk about Joe Baugher: strangely enough, when i take it as source, well he was not good, when another contributors discussed about this, strangely enough, J.Baugher was considered as an 'reliable source'. Such miracles!--Stefanomencarelli (talk) 11:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikiwings

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		For exemplary text and reference expansion work on Aluminum Overcast. - Ahunt (talk) 17:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

File:One of our aircraft.JPG listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:One of our aircraft.JPG, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Diora (talk) 23:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

THIS IS A NOTE TO MR. BZUK:

Hi Mr. Bzuk,

Now that you have finished your book, perhaps you can fix the photo shown on Ted Lawson's article. The photo contained in the article is not that of Lt. Lawson; it is a photo of Charles McClure, Lawson's navigator. This is a serious error and I hope that you can fix: I don't know how to fix it myself. This error was pointed out by several people a year ago.

Paa123 (talk) 15:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC) Paa123

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLI (July 2009)

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the PZL P.7 to P.Z.L. P.7 move

I have added my pennorth at the discussion page. In a nutshell I think article names for aircraft in particular shoud accurately reflect the name and/or designation given to the aircraft by the designer/manufacturer, and not some americanized simplification.Petebutt (talk) 05:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

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I've added few details in disscussion about PZL naming convention on project's talk page. I hope that modern Polish sources will be enough to keep PZL and forget about P.Z.L. variant. Best regards, Piotr Mikołajski (talk) 16:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

"bare" urls

Thanks!--Panzertank (talk) 16:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

An exciting opportunity to get involved!

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ANI Reports about other users

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Spitfire contributs

Hello, sorry if I disturb You but I have a problem with a contributor that is deleting wildily my contributs to the Supermarine Spitfire even if they are pertinent and referenced with notes... I had warned him not to do it but he did it on proposal i think... could you tell me how to solve this problems? Can you have a look please to the page? Can yuo tell me how I can stop this guy... i dont rember the nickname.. thanks gian piero --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 15:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey BillZ, I'm the contributor in question! My edit summary should be enough explanation, since you actually read and comprehend English at a functional level: "Removed unnecessary details, which belong in film artilces, not here; removed songs with no references attesting to their notability." The Spitfire article already approaching encyclopedic length on its own! Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 16:07, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

First of the few

Hi Bill, hope all is well. Do you know this film, The First of the Few? Article seems a bit 'unloved' to me. I have seen it many times but not recently, it cropped up because a line from it seems to have started a myth about the Rolls-Royce Merlin being named after the magician. Cheers Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 23:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thought you might! Well first I wanted to know if the line about King Arthur and the Merlin is in there (and can it be used as a reference or a footnote in another article if it is?) and secondly I thought you might be able to improve the article generally. Bed time over here, speak later. Cheers Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 00:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Million in one

Sorry, had to let you know: I was editing the Macchi 205 page and came across an edit conflict, went ahead anyway and it came out that we made exactly the same edit. Unless there is an error somewhere. Have a good one, Brutal Deluxe (talk) 13:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC).

Bf 109

I think that BOyne means that the project of the Messersch. was so advanced and modern, the most advanced and modern, in fact, they say... think of what flew at the time... Gloster Gladiator, Avia, PZL, Polikarpow etc.. anyway I learned here not to questio about what the historian says... regards gian piero —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gian piero milanetti (talk • contribs) 05:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

PZL.50 Jastrząb and other redirects

Bill, I've added request for cleanup work on several PZL aircraft articles. I'm really angry (not to say sth worse) about Petebutt's edits which removed my cleanup and standarisation with most recent sources available. OK, I've cleaned up PWS and RWS aircraft but PZL ones are over my editor's priviliges. I left a little bit harsh note on Petebutt's talk page about age of his main (and only) source and about existing more updated sources. I hope he will leave Polish aviation articles because editing them with such old sources are closer to vandalism than to preserve knowledge. Best regards, Piotr Mikołajski (talk) 15:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Me 262

I checked... "..influenzò (the 262) i progetti degli aerei postbellici North American F-86, Boeing B-47 AND, AT LEAST AT THE BEGINNING, OF THE CIVIL TRANSPORT BOEING B-737". Mursia is a prestigeous publisher but... regards gian piero --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 17:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films August 2009 Newsletter

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me 163

Why you correct me Bzuk? I added details from Galland books, I am not going to expalin who is that man... am I? :) --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 15:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Me 163

sorry I apologize... I made a mistake... --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 17:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Glancey

Sorry I was aware that Glancey...what? That he is the architecture and design editor of the Guardian and that he is also a pilot and a frequent broadcaster? Yes.... I know that... Grazie Saluti --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 16:51, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Wing configuration diagrams

Hi, thanks for the comment (moved here). Do your criticisms apply to the frontal elevations, the plan views, or both? Any suggestions to improve them would be welcome, too. -- Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:08, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Buffalo

Let me check.... I think is ok....it I made mistakes I correct it --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 20:19, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Brewster Buffalo

I see you editing this article: Brewster Buffalo. After the third paragraph in the UNITED STATES NAVY section is this malformed picture: VF-3. I have no particular interest in this article. Could you do something with this odd thing ? GroveGuy (talk) 02:46, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Nominations open for the Military history WikiProject coordinator election

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Re: Amelia Earhart GA

Thanks for your note on the GA review page. I know that it's unlikely that it'll be up to standard in a week, but if they're willing to work on it, I'll give them a bit more time. You're welcome to join in, although if you'd rather stay out that's fine too. By the way...which Manitoba school divisions? I've got siblings in the system. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 01:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Typhoon

ciao... the quote says: "... as a rock. With the Hurricane I could throw it all over the sky and do any aerobaticas I liked. I Always felt I could never take such liberties with the Typhoon. You'd got to know what you were doing. They warnrd yo in the pilots' notes not to undertake anything under 8,000 feet - that was to give you a little bit of leeway." You know.... most pilote were illeterate... saluti --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 05:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLII (August 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLII (August 2009)
From the coordinators The voting phase of the eighth coordinator elections, for the October–March term, started on 13 September and will run until 23:59 Sat 26 September. Each candidate garnering twenty or more endorsements will be appointed, to a maximum of fifteen. This election has a strong field of sixteen candidates running, offering many skills and representing all aspects of the project. The Contest Department is going from strength to strength and drew a massive number of entries in August (see the results below). If you haven't fielded any entries yet, please think about doing so. It's great fun!  Roger Davies talk 14:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)	Articles of note New featured articles: Convoy GP55 George Koval HMS Endeavour James Newland John Lerew Kaiser class battleship Keith Johnson (cricket administrator) König class battleship Siward, Earl of Northumbria Unification of Germany Victoria Cross for Australia New featured lists: List of Second World War Victoria Cross recipients List of Victoria Cross recipients by campaign Marine Corps Brevet Medal Order of battle at the Battle of San Domingo New featured pictures: "Students Going to Man the Fortifications" "Our New 'First Lord' at Sea" New A-Class articles: 24th Infantry Division (United States) Bayern class battleship Derfflinger class battlecruiser Egmont Prinz zur Lippe-Weißenfeld Ellis Wackett No. 3 Commando Operation Pleshet SMS König SMS Hindenburg
Project news People with an interest in clearly presenting battle information, and First World War buffs, will find the discussion about a new campaign box for the Battle of the Somme interesting. With the recent increase in enthusiasm, Wikipedia-wide, for creating "outline" articles, there's an ongoing discussion here. The idea is to produce guidelines for overview articles for Milhist editors and reviewers. Proposals have been made to introduce a new self-scoring "honour" system for Contest Department entries. Contributions, especially from regular nominees, are welcome.
Contest Department The Contest department has completed its twenty-ninth month of competition, with 145 articles entered by 13 editors. Sturmvogel 66 was placed first again this month with an amazing 101 points, closely followed by Georgejdorner at 98 points. They receive the Chevrons and the Writer's Barnstar respectively. Parsecboy commendably came third with 88 points, with honorable mentions going to AustralianRupert (68), Kumioko (66), Ed! (32), Ian Rose (26) and radek (11). Our thanks go to AM, David Underdown, Work permit, Yellow Monkey and Wild Wolf, who also fielded entries.
Awards and honours The Milhist A-Class medal goes to: Parsecboy for König class battleship, SMS König, and Derfflinger class battlecruiser; and to Ed! for 7th Infantry Division (United States), 24th Infantry Division (United States) and I Corps (United States).
Editorial: Getting to FAC via A-Class - some interesting new facts Well, it’s official. Milhist articles have a much better than average chance of success as featured article candidates. MBK004 has done some useful number-crunching following the fortunes of the 97 Milhist featured article candidates submitted between January and July this year. The research shows that 70% of Milhist articles were promoted against an overall average of 51%. Looking behind the figures, some other interesting facts emerge. First, 84% of our promoted articles had successfully passed a Milhist A-Class Review before going on to FAC. Second, of the 29 Milhist articles that failed, less than half (41%) had had an A-Class Review. Third, the 97 Milhist articles accounted for 16% of all FACs submitted between January and July of this year. The clear lesson is that if you want a string of featured articles to your credit, you may find Milhist's A-class Review process to be of benefit to you!  Roger Davies talk
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Commas in a series

Hello Bzuk. Please see here for the reason that I always include a comma before the conjunction that goes between the last two items in a series. Thanks Centpacrr (talk) 15:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

• See a reply for you here. Centpacrr (talk) 08:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Armstrong Whitworth Whitley

I was replacing a dud ISBN with an OCLC. What is it that's "basically wrong" in your view? Alarics (talk) 21:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. WP is not a learned journal, and we do not have to slavishly follow the dictates of citation systems designed for learned journals as long as whatever is done makes reasonable sense and is consistent within any one article. I cannot see where I was going against the general MLA scheme in the present case.

Elsewhere I have seen a general agreement that authors' names can be put in full since we do not have the space constraints that might require printed media to abbreviate them. In the case in point, I reproduced the author's name as I found it in WorldCat (see http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/65202527), since I happened to be there trying to find a valid ISBN to replace the dud one. If, as you say, in the book itself he is just called "Ken", I wonder where WorldCat got "Kenneth E." from.

I think it is a matter of judgment whether a place name is sufficiently obvious. I took the view that, since the article is about a British aircraft, anyone who doesn't know that Hertfordshire is in the UK would assume so. After all, we often expect people to know, or guess, that N.J. or Ga. are states of the USA, without spelling that out. But I don't think I feel particularly strongly on this point.

It seems to me immaterial that "the OCLC convention is not accepted as part of a bibliographic record at this point". The fact is that it can be useful to have, especially where there is no ISBN. I also think including the ISBN is highly desirable when there is one. -- Alarics (talk) 09:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

BZUK has an agenda against the use of templates for cites and references, although consistently fails to give any good reasons why. His fondness for reversing other editors' contributions immediately after making them is verging on vandalism, certainly pushing at WP:POINT. 8-( Andy Dingley (talk) 19:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• See response FwiW Bzuk (talk) 20:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC).

Military history coordinator elections: voting has started!

Voting in the Military history WikiProject coordinator election has now started. The aim is to elect the coordinators to serve for the next six months from a pool of sixteen candidates. Please vote here by 23:59 (UTC) on 26 September!
For the coordinators,  Roger Davies ^talk 22:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Could use your eyeballs if you have some time...

I'm going to try to get an FA on space debris. If you get a chance, could you give it a once-over for prose and such? Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:16, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

FixBunching Template

Hello, I see you reverted my good-faith addition to Short Seamew of the FixBunching template that is supposed to remove problems with stacked images on the right side of shorter articles. For more information, see the template:FixBunching and Wikipedia:How to fix bunched-up edit links. Since FixBunching looks fine with various browsers that I've used it with, may I ask what operating system and what browser are causing the article to look badly enough to revert the changes I made? What kind of visual problems did it cause? It's supposed to work well across systems and across browsers, so maybe there's still something wrong with the template (which I didn't write, but thought was a handy tool when I found it.) Prior to my change I would see the 'Edit' links in the Short Seamew article positioned in weird locations, and now that's visible again since the revert. Regards, Itsfullofstars (talk) 05:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

My response is here. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 10:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Percival Gull

Evening Bzuk, I've just been looking at the Percival Gull page and added a survivors bit. I was surprised when I looked at the specs, which I think you added as they seem to be (according to the 1960 ed of Jackson's British Civil Aircraft, vol2) the specs of the Vega Gull, specifically the marginally faster Gipsy Six srs II powered one. They are not, if you believe Jackson, those of any of the smaller Gull Four and Sixes that the Gull page covers. The Vega Gull has its own article.

I was about to modify them, but thought I'd let you know beforehand to see if here is evidence to make that edit unsafe. Cheers,TSRL (talk) 16:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

My response is here. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:29, 24 September 2009 (UTC).

File:HP.115.gif

Just noticed this image File:HP.115.gif of the HP.115 in flight that claims to be in the public domain as crown copyright expired (over 50 years). The first flight of the aircraft was 1961 which is only 48 years ago so it is probably still copyrighted. MilborneOne (talk) 10:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

F-104 Edits

I've covered the -104 loss rate extensively on the article's discussion page. The facts I've referenced show that the -104's overall Class A mishap rate is nearly twice that of the next Century Series fighter (the Hun). I backed up the data with verifiable references. How much more do I need to do? Dukeford (talk) 14:33, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll tell you why this is an issue. The original article stated that the Hun's loss rate was far worse than the -104's, which I disputed with Nimbus (who otherwise did a fine job on the article) in the discussion area. I get the impression that there are some big -104 fanatics out there who can't accept the fact that their fav had such a horrible safety record. They continually cite an out-of-date and highly misleading chart from Martin Bowman's -104 book to support their viewpoint. Unfortunately, the canard that the Hun's safety record was worse than the -104's has been referenced from the original article all over the Web. Dukeford (talk) 14:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

See here FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:49, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Got it - and thanks. I don't want to perpetuate an edit war, either. Dukeford (talk) 14:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Sopwith Camel Article

Just curious why my revision was taken out. The section doesn't seem that well organized, with repetition of certain facts and a bit about flight history smack in the middle of the flight characteristics. -FBM (talk) 20:03, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

See response here. Bzuk (talk) 21:13, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

That works fine. Thanks. FBM (talk) 21:28, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Over the top

And this isn't? At least my edit summary said what I was doing. And the issues I raised about the writing quality must not have been too far-fetched, seeing as how you undid very few of the changes I made. Sure, maybe I could have been "nicer", but I'm generally not happy when I find that Wikipedia's supposedly "good" content is actually incomprehensible. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

My response is here. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:39, 26 September 2009 (UTC).

It wasn't just "author's choice", there were substantial holes in coherency. For example, in at least two places something was brought up out of the blue without having been mentioned before: the final paragraph said that the Japanese teen was shot by "one of Basie's companions" without ever mentioning that Basie and companions had shown up (the last mention of him said that he had escaped), and says that Jim "didn't recognize his parents" without ever mentioning that his parents came. Holes like this are not simple style issues; they're omissions that reduce the text's coherence. And they're bad writing, there's no other way to put it. If someone tried to read that plot summary without having seen the movie, much of it would not make sense.

There are other serious problems with the plot summary (for instance, undue weight on some scenes while completely ignoring others, with no rationale given for why), but they're not as urgent. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:42, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

It may be "an author's vehicle", but it should still make sense and not illogically cherry-pick which parts to summarize. For example, why is the Japanese teen's crying important enough to be summarized, but not Jim & Basie's entire time in the temporary warehouse/prison (before taking the truck to the Suzhou internment camp). Why it's Jim's singing before the American fighter plane attack worth mentioning, but Mrs. whatever's death before the A-bomb explosion not? If a summary is going to be very detailed, it should be consistent in its level of detail throughout; on the other hand, if it's just going to cover the major plot elements, it should do so without missing any, and without adding unnecessary details in one place but not another.

This is already a difficult film to summarize because it doesn't necessary have a traditional "plot arc" with all things leading up to a big climax. That just means editors should be extra-careful, and clear, in determining what sorts of things should go into the plot summary and what shouldn't. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the new "in popular culture" section: do you have a source to verify that Ballard's use of "Cadillac of the skies" was the first? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:27, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, there is Bull's dictionary that claims it has a wartime origin, although if enough unpublished expert opinions disagree with that I can accept it. But since there's no published source for this, perhaps it would be better to reword to something more like "a phrase not attested before the publication of Ballard's book". rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

"Verbatim"? I would be interested to see how much more of the article uses text copied "verbatim" from it sources without putting it in quotes. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:51, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The issue is simply whether you can provide a source that Ballard's book was the origin of the phrase, or whether it's your expert opinion. Like I said, in this case I think your opinion as an expert is permissible, but I think it should be reworded (I left a suggestion above). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:19, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm normally a stickler for citations, but in this case I think it can be weaseled around if it's an expert opinion and there's no source available. (Wikipedia has to find a better balance, I think, in its treatment of experts...the Verifiability and Citing sources policies are some of the most important ones on the project, but at the same time we shouldn't be driving away the few contributors who have expert knowledge to offer. This is partly based on my own experience in my main topic, neuroscience and linguistics-related articles, where sources can be found to support just about anything but lots of experts known that such sources are outdated or discredited, and thus the opinion of expert editors can be more valuable than sources.) Specifically, if there's no published source to say definitively that Ballard's use was the first, but you have recourse to lots of other sources that don't identify any earlier source, the best option might be to add a long footnote saying something along the lines of "X, Y, Z [...and so on] older sources do not have any mention of this term". That way the information can still be included, even without a direct reference, but there will also be a paper trail for readers to follow how you reached that conclusion. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

September 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:54, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

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See my response here. FWiW, thank you for your prompt attention. Bzuk (talk) 19:11, 28 September 2009 (UTC).

Thanks for tidying up Tu-144 article, but I'd suggest that you exercise some caution and avoid excessively rolling footnote contents back into the main text, as secondary details then overwhelm primary and break the logical flow for the reader. That's why footnotes were invented ;-)

Oboguev (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:59, 27 November 2009 (UTC).

Book check

BillZ, can you confirm the authors on this book?

• Kit, Mister and Jean-Pierre De Cock. F6F Hellcat (in French). Paris, France: Éditions Atlas s.a., 1981.

Per this diff, someone tried to expurgate one of the author's names, so I though I'd make sure it was real in the first place, on the off-chance this was missed vandalism. Thanks! - BilCat (talk) 13:22, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

See: edit comment and talk. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC).

Thanks for checking up on that for me. I did a quick Google search on the authors/title, and only WP and its mirrors turned up on the first page. That's when I turned to the mild-mannered librarian for help! - BilCat (talk) 13:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLIII (September 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLIII (September 2009)
From the coordinators Greetings to all members of the Military history WikiProject, and to those outside the project who receive this news letter as well! My name is TomStar81, and it with a great sense of pride that I assume the position of lead coordinator for the project. On behalf of all the coordinators, both new and returning, we wish to thank those of you who participated in the September elections, and we look forward to working to advance the goals of the project for the next six months. With the elections concluded, there are two changes. First, Roger Davies has been appointed a coordinator emeritus, joining our first coordinator emeritus Kirill Lokshin. Secondly, for the first time ever, the lead coordinator for the Military history WikiProject will be taking a lengthy wikibreak. For those who were unaware of this, I am an undergraduate student, and will be taking a leave of absence, effective end September, to focus on graduating in December. However, with fourteen coordinators, and two coordinators emeritus, I am confident the needs of the project will be well taken care of. For the VIII coordinator tranche, TomStar81 (Talk)	Articles of note New featured articles: Battle of Grand Port Derfflinger class battlecruiser Fredonian Rebellion Hermann Detzner Henry Wells (general) Joe Hewitt (RAAF officer) Simon Bolivar Buckner SMS Hindenburg Werner Mölders New featured lists: List of Medal of Honor recipients for World War I New featured topics: Derfflinger class battlecruisers Lists of Victoria Cross recipients by campaign New featured pictures: Beijing Castle in the Boxer Rebellion Fort Baker at San Francisco Bay RAN Squirrel helicopter New A-Class articles: 1982 British Army Gazelle friendly fire incident Brazilian cruiser Bahia I Corps (United States) North Carolina class battleship Siege of Kimberley SMS Derfflinger SMS Kurfürst Friedrich Wilhelm SMS Lützow‎
Project news Congratulations go to The_ed17 for successfully passing his Request for Adminship.
Contest Department This month witnessed an all new and improved scoring system and process established in the Contest Department, which has run both smoothly and successfully. A total of 54 articles were entered this month by 11 editors. Parsecboy placed first with an astonishing 143 points, followed by Sturmvogel 66 on 105 points. They receive the Chevrons and the Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to the_ed17 (41), Auntieruth55 (38), AustralianRupert (17), Radeksz (12) and Ian Rose (11), with our thanks going to Piotrus, Abraham, B.S., Skinny87 and David Underdown, who also fielded entries. All interested editors are encouraged to submit entries for next month's contest; it can be a rather exciting experience!
Awards and honours The WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves has been awarded to Roger Davies for his outstanding leadership of the Military history WikiProject, including his introduction of the logistics department, his dedication to the Tag and Assess 2008 & B-class Assessment Drive efforts, and his astute advice and never-ending support and encouragement as both a coordinator and lead coordinator. The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to Parsecboy for his work on SMS Hindenburg, Bayern class battleship, and SMS Derfflinger.
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Thanks

Thank´s a lot, Bzuk ! --Renzo Grosso ^Parla ! 01:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks for formatting references and other corrections. Keep up the good work. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films September 2009 Newsletter

The September 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 06:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

RE: Biting

What particular comments do you see? After a cursory glance, I see only the normal warnings and such. Master of Puppets - _{Call me MoP! :D} 03:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

That one did look a bit testy, but not blatant enough to warrant a scolding. Some people tend to be short with users they see as disruptive. I'll keep an eye on the talk page and make sure nothing worse is said, though. Your concern is very appreciated, though! :) Master of Puppets - _{Call me MoP! :D} 03:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Removing reference templates

What's up with these edits? You removed the reference formatting templates that I had just added to the article. --Srleffler (talk) 16:51, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

See my response here. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 05:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC).

"Mr. Deeds" Cleanup

Thanks for cleaning up the reference/cite on my addition to the "Mr. Deeds Goes to Town - Adaptations - Lux Radio Theater" text. It DOES look better. Mcwebeditor (talk) 14:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

303 squadron

I'm somewhat baffled that you say "removing a staement with refs is not the best way to proceed". Did you not see that the statement with references has not been removed? It has simply been placed elsewhere in the text. The article currently contradicts itself!Varsovian (talk) 17:36, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

See later revision. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC).

Regarding your extended version: wouldn't it be better to say in the intro that 303 was one of the best scoring squadrons and the best Hurricane equipped one (there is consensus among the sources as to that) and then discuss in the body that there are varying views as to whether it was the best? Doesn't an intro give the essential summary and the body is where the detailed info is best put?Varsovian (talk) 17:40, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Moving the discussion to the talk page, but all good points. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:43, 22 October 2009 (UTC).

Thanks for cite/links for me on this article.--Jacurek (talk) 04:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

RE:Varsovian and Jacurek

I see your point. I'm not the blocking administrator, but I do agree that it seems that Varsovian had the intention of cooperating peacefully. I'd suggest taking this up with User:Someguy1221 (as you already have). Cheers, Master of Puppets 03:51, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for everything, especially for proving that not all editors see newbies as things to be either bitten or dragged into existing wikidrama!Varsovian (talk) 13:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Voodoo 1.jpg

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WP:FILMS October Newsletter

The October 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. The newsletter includes details on the current membership roll call to readd your name from the inactive list to the active list. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

was checking vandal reports and noticed a booboo

might want to fix your ipvandal report, you linked their talk page, not ip address, it broke the template. ;) FELYZA ^{TALK CONTRIBS} 14:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLIV (October 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLIV (October 2009)
From the coordinators There's a long running discussion about consolidating various task forces ("TF"). Those affected are: consolidate Taiwanese TF into Chinese TF; merge Australian TF and New Zealand TF to form either Oceania or Australasia TF; consolidate Lebanese TF into Middle Eastern TF; merge Military science with Military technology and engineering to form a Military science and technology TF; and merge Indian TF with the Pakistani TF to form a South Asian TF, which would also include Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Please comment here to help us reach consensus. A discussion about a possible military biography notability guideline could also use input. Views from all editors here are welcome!	Articles of note New featured articles: 1982 British Army Gazelle friendly fire incident Amagi class battlecruiser Battle of the Alamo Brazilian cruiser Bahia Ellis Wackett Inner German border New featured lists: List of Knight's Cross recipients of the Waffen-SS Order of battle in the Atlantic campaign of 1806 New featured portals: United States Air Force New featured pictures: A synagogue in New York City remained on D-Day Battle of Kennesaw Mountain Journée du Poilu. 25 et 26 décembre 1915 Siege of Sevastopol, 1855 The burning of Columbia, South Carolina, February 17, 1865 New A-Class articles: AH-56 Cheyenne John Lloyd Waddy Lewis McGee M22 Locust Operation Coburg Operation Teardrop SMS Nassau Tosa class battleship USS Congress (1799) USS President (1800) Winter War
Project news The Henry Allingham World War I International Contest is starting on 11 November! If you would like to participate, sign up here, read up on the rules here, and discuss the contest here!
Contest department The contest department has completed its thirty-first month of competition; its second month under the new and improved scoring system. A total of 53 articles were entered by nine editors. Sturmvogel 66 came in first with 96 points, followed by Auntieruth55 on 80 points. They are presented the Chevrons and Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to Ian Rose (38), Abraham, B.S. (33) and Parsecboy (10). Our thanks go to Cuprum17, Ed!, The ed17 and Piotrus, who also fielded entries. All editors are encouraged to submit any articles that are working on for next month's contest.
Awards and honours The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to Abraham, B.S. for his work on Otto Becher, Teddy Sheean and Lewis McGee. The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has also been awarded to Parsecboy for his work on SMS Lützow, SMS Kurfürst Friedrich Wilhelm and Tosa class battleship. The A-Class medal has been awarded to Brad101 for his work on USS Constitution, USS Congress (1799) and USS President (1800). The A-Class medal has also been awarded to Ian Rose for his work on John Lerew, Ellis Wackett and John Lloyd Waddy. The A-Class medal has also been awarded to Nick-D for his work on Take Ichi convoy, Convoy GP55 and Operation Teardrop. The A-Class medal has also been awarded to The_ed17 for his work on North Carolina class battleship, Brazilian cruiser Bahia and Tosa class battleship.
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Bibliographies

Hi Bzuk, haven't heard from you for a while. Having read Layout/works it would seem that for Wikipedia the main biblography relates only to books and other scources cited in the article's text, while Further reading is "A bulleted list, usually alphabetized, of a reasonable number of recommended publications that do not appear elsewhere in the article and were not used to verify article content." A number of books were listed in the Typhoon article but were not referred to in the citations, which is why I thought they belong under further reading. Sorry if I'm wrong. Cheers! Minorhistorian (talk) 22:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm back again with a Reggiane concept plane this time

Hi Bzuk, I'm back (I have never been so far anyway). I am a little bit rusty with my en.wiki skills: would you mind to give a look to this draft article I am going to move to ns0? A good friend of mine, "Flanker", is planning to upload Re.2007 sketches under fair use, but this is forbidden if no article exist on the matter, so I quickly wrote a stub. Do you think it could be moved to mainspace ? Please feel free to edit in my sandbox and clean or modify whatever you want. See you around. --EH101 (talk) 22:53, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you in advance for your support. As I just wrote to Ahunt, it is a pity I had to come back for such a controversial article, but mainly it is a favour to a good colleague who is eager to upload that plane drawings under fair use. It is mandatory to have an article in order to keep a non-free image related, and that is the reason I promptly came back.

You are obviously invited in visiting my unofficial "it.wiki-en.wiki mutual cooperation page" relevant to Italian aircraft, in a sandbox of mine. In these years, I bought several Italian aviation books due to Wikipedia citation concerns and now, as a side effect, I am the proud owner of a big quantity of Wiki workable photos, with a Public Domain status in Italy and US. All wiki-colleagues on it.wiki projects now know this fact, and often they ask me some data o airplane shots. Ask me freely and I will help.

Probably you will remember our last chat about citation syles. I did more and more studies on the topic mainly for helping some aviation article to reach the "featured article status" on it.wiki. I am widely adopting the <ref>[[#Knaack|Knaack,1988]] p.123</ref> plus <cite id=Knaack></cite> in References (one among the so named shortened footnotes style). You can see an example of this citation structure in it:Boeing B-52 Stratofortress I took care. Ask me freely if there are articles I can help on this matter. Ciao. --EH101 (talk) 09:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi Bzuk! Thank you for your welcome!--MaxDel (talk) 12:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

It´s great to be here Bzuk, thanks for wellcoming and high spirits for all! MigeruMadorido (talk) 13:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

File:John Frost colour.jpg

Hi. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. I have some questions about some of your image uploads. I brought this up a while back. Could you please add or fix the info on File:John Frost colour.jpg and any other photos with similar issues? I hope you understand why I might wonder if you took this photo in 1952, and if you aren't the photographer how you became the copyright holder. I'm mentioning this again to you here first rather than just listing this for discussion at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images. If you have questions about Wikipedia practices and policies you can't find an answer to, ask and I'd be happy to help if I can. Thanks. Cheers, -- Infrogmation (talk) 13:50, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

See my response here. FWiW, Bzuk (talk) 17:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC).

Thanks, I replied there as well. I think these images might be useful not only here but in Wikimedia projects in other languages as well. Some text explaining the source and copyright situation on the image descriptions would be helpful. Cheers, -- Infrogmation (talk) 16:52, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Tu-144 article

Thanks for tidying up Tu-144 article, but I'd suggest that you exercise some caution and avoid excessively rolling footnote contents back into the main text, as secondary details then overwhelm primary and break the logical flow for the reader. That's why footnotes were invented ;-)

Oboguev (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:03, 27 November 2009 (UTC).

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Replied on my talk page. /Lokal_Profil 23:47, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

New reply on my talk page. /Lokal_Profil 21:16, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Comment on F-94 Discussion

Dear Bill,

I added a reply to your comment on the F-94 Starfire "discussion".

Jackehammond (talk) 21:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)Jack E. Hammond

Another "all-knowing" IP user

BillZ, a Canadian-based IP user has been making uncited changes to the Bristol Fairchild Bolingbroke article, per this diff. Would you mind checking over his info, and seeing if they have merit, and if they can be cited? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 15:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the edits and sources. - BilCat (talk) 00:57, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Help needed with 'nested' citations

Your expert help would be appreciated! The article Lebaudy Patrie contains at least two references (14 and 17 at present) to articles in Flight Magazine (from 1916/1917) each of which contains an excerpt from an earlier sister publication ("Auto") from 1906/1907. Currently the citations just mention the Flight sources, but they really ought to refer back to the earlier "Auto" sources too. The citations both make use of "cite journal", but I'm fairly certain that this template cannot handled such 'nested' citations. I remember you mentioning that you enter the citations by hand - is there a standard form for such citations? Many thanks. --TraceyR (talk)

Another Avrocar image problem

An IP user has raised a problem at Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2009_December_14#File:Avrocar_flying.JPG although they dont appear to have told you. MilborneOne (talk) 15:50, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Gunston '80

Hello... How are you ... i had noticed that there was a similar book but the publilsher was different and so the isbn number... what is about your new book, prego? --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 12:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Gunston

Ah! Now I understand... I thought there could be differences in number of pages... Nice to know that... (But why you dont answer about your new book?)

--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 13:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Compliments

A foreign translation? Compliments, I am still waiting just the publishing of my first novel, and yesterday night I discovered that the editors wants to change the title that other people regarded as "genial": Ménami, mamma! (Beat, me mama!) Do you have any idea, by chance? :) greetings... --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 15:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLV (November 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLV (November 2009)
Project news The Academy Content Drive concluded on 31 October. The first place Golden Wiki went to TomStar81 for 13 entries; the Silver Wiki was awarded to YellowMonkey for 11 entries, and Patar knight was presented with the Bronze Wiki for 3 entries. All other entrants were awarded the WikiChevrons or a barnstar for their contributions. Thank you to everyone who fielded an entry! All editors are encouraged to check out the newly expanded Academy. A discussion about the notability of military people has resulted in an update to our in-house style guide. Prompted by some recent "articles for deletion" discussions, members felt that we should provide clearer guidance on the types of person that are most likely to meet Wikipedia's biographical notability criteria. The resulting advice, which you can see here, should be very helpful in both future deletion discussions and in deciding where best to focus article-writing efforts. Our Task Force housekeeping discussion is now coming to a close. In October a number of proposals were made for rationalising our extensive list of Task forces. Although a few areas remain to be decided, project members have approved the changes summarised here. These will be enacted shortly, so if you haven't yet had your say, now's the time!	Articles of note New featured articles: Cologne War Nikita Khrushchev Operation Teardrop SMS Derfflinger SMS Lützow John Lloyd Waddy Ton That Dinh New featured pictures: Turkish heliograph at Huj New A-Class articles: Arrow (missile) Battle of Bardia Canadian National Vimy Memorial Collins class submarine Frederick Scherger Iven Giffard Mackay List of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords or Diamonds recipients of the Waffen-SS USS Chesapeake (1799) Walter Peeler
Contest Department The contest department has completed its thirty-second month of competition; its third month under the new scoring system. A total of 52 articles were entered by seven editors. Sturmvogel 66 came first with 168 points, followed by Ian Rose on 51 points. They are presented the Chevrons and Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to Auntieruth55 (31), Ed! (26), Abraham, B.S. (26), The ed17 (17) and Piotrus (7). All editors are encouraged to submit any articles that are working on for next month's contest.
Awards and honours The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to Hawkeye7 for his work on Albert Kesselring, Rupert Downes and Battle of Bardia.
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Merry Christmas

I see you met another It.wiki aviation contributor. Good. Hopefully we will improve information exchanges and ideas. All the best Bzuk! Merry Christmas.--EH101 (talk) 20:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry etc

Bill: thanks for the note. It has been great working with you here for another year and I look forward to doing more in 2010! In the meantime I hope you have a great Christmas and New Years! In January I am going to bug you with some book publishing questions, just to pick your brains, so "forewarned is forearmed"! - Ahunt (talk) 20:18, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Buon Natale e Felice Anno Nuovo

Thanks for your wishes... the same to You... Merry Christmas and Happy ew Year!!

Saluti da Roma!! --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 20:33, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the thought

Thanks for the mini "Chrissy Card" mate - best wishes to you and yours likewise. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 21:39, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Ditto! Centpacrr (talk) 21:46, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

That makes 68 of us. Felice Navidad, Happy Hanukkah, Cheerful Kwanzaa, Happy New Year, Happy Valentine's Day... Jose Feliciano ^{where's my glasses?} 22:18, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Warmest season's greetings to you and yours. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:49, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Christmas!

Thanks for the good wishes. All the best to you too for Christmas and for 2010 - may it be a productive and successful year! --TraceyR (talk) 23:31, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

You have a great Christmas too! And all the best for the new year. Cheers!-- BC  _{talk to me} wfo 00:01, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Best wishes for the holiday season and the upcoming new year!

Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:21, 25 December 2009 (UTC) and Akasha Autumn and Ralph the Cat.

Have a Joyous Noel!

Hi Bill! May you and yours have a very richly blessed Christmas and a wonderful New Year! Askari Mark (Talk) 02:11, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Thanks for the Christmas wishes. Hope that you have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 02:41, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

G'day from sunny Oz. I have just finished eating Christmas lunch (turkey, chicken, orange-and-sugar-glazed ham) with YSSYgal's family. Its a lovely day here, temperature in the mid-twenties, and I've just opened WP to settle an argument about some little bit of trivia and got your message. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks Bill, and I hope you and your family have a lovely Christmas. YSSYguy (talk) 04:31, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

And a belated Kia Ora from NZ; hope you had a great Christmas. Like Oz we had a day in the mid-twenties, allowing a good old fashioned BBQ and a game of cricket. All the best for the New Year. Cheers Minorhistorian (talk) 21:48, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Could you keep an eye on this please?

G'day Bill, I was wondering if you could have a look at this article from your neck of the woods. It appears that the main editor of the article is the owner of the company. I took out a whole heap of guff a month ago and an anon. user (who I daresay is the company's owner or someone connected to the company) went and shovelled it all back in again. I have reverted those edits, however it seems to me that the article as a whole could be a CFD due to being just an advert. Do you have knowledge of this company, and if so, does it merit a WP article? YSSYguy (talk) 05:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

cheers ! Madmonk11 (talk) 20:16, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Best wishes for 2010

Hi Bzuk!! Thank you for kindly remembering me at the 'festive season'. Have been away for a few days. I have recently resumed contributing aviation articles to Wikipedia - but perhaps not at the intensity of earlier this year. There are some ideas I'm currently working on. Thank you for your past help and encouragement - and corrections! Best wishes to you for the New Year. Ruth. RuthAS (talk) 22:53, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Bill, Thank you for the pic and the Christmas wishes! Same in return. Cheers, and may our wiki-endeavors grow with bountiful results this coming year. Happy New Year, Bill! Lance...LanceBarber (talk) 06:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

asides & punctuation

Hi Bill. I'm responding to your edit on Arsenic and Old Lace (film). You wrote this:
> Immediately after the wedding on Halloween, as it happens, Mortimer visits the bizarre relatives who still live there
I don't like the use of commas there. I think it's incorrect. "as it happens" applies to the fact that the wedding occurred on Halloween, so "on Halloween, as it happens" should be marked as a unit. Otherwise, it looks like "as it happens" applies to the fact that Mortimer's visit was after his wedding. Also, I like either dashes or parentheses to indicate that being on Halloween isn't really a core aspect of the sentence. Thanks for contributing. —Codrdan (talk) 05:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

RfD nomination of "Willie" William Lidstone McKnight

I have nominated "Willie" William Lidstone McKnight (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. — The Man in Question (in question) 09:29, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Diefenbaker

I appreciate the help you are giving, very much. I'm finding this to be a pain in the butt article, and I am having to revise the structure on the fly because I see that US relations will have to immediately precede a discussion of Dief's fall, but I am very hopeful of having this article done this weekend. Thanks again for the help.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:21, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

The paragraph on the Arrow was getting pretty long. I cut it back a bit. I don't think I removed anything of substance that you inserted, though I moved the sentence about the Pentagon being willing to keep it alive to a footnote. Can you look over the paragraph and see what you think? This is not an area I have views about, I'm just trying to keep length under control. Thanks for adding the materials and the references. I'm pretty much done with the article and have submitted it to peer review, let me know what you think? Hoping to take it to FAC later in the month.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:11, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

And if you have something reliable in one of those books that says that it affected the PC vote in 1962, by all means put it in. Did the Tory MPs in the Malton area keep their seats? Note that I'm not looking for something that says it was decisive, as it almost certainly wasn't, none of my bios on Dief seem to think it was. But it was a factor, and obviously did not help the Tories in Ontario. God knows Dief had enough problems by 1962.--Wehwalt (talk)

Please feel free to gnome away if you like. The article is done, I'm just polishing. It's at peer review, hoping to get it to FAC in two weeks.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:59, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, I wouldn't mind adding an image of the Arrow to the Dief article, if, and only if, we could find one we were certain was out of copyright. That means it would have been taken by the Canadian government and (key word coming up) published not later than 1959. Taken then and held in archives wouldn't be good enough. I don't want to put a fair use image in.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:56, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Also on the Arrow, Bzuk, the Smye reference has been flagged at peer review, self published references won't do at FAC. You only rely on it for one point. Can you find another reference that makes the same point and change that? We can move Smye to "Further reading" or some such, I'm sure the guy is well regarded on the Arrow but I do not want to have the FAC fail over so trivial a point.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:36, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I've inserted your comments pretty much wholesale as part of the article. You know the subject matter much better than I do. Could you take another look at it when you get a chance? Thanks very much for your help. Both Smith and Bliss take a very much pro-Dief view of the Arrow situation, and it is good to get this feedback.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Please be cautious about the removal of non breaking spaces and alt text. A featured article candidate is expected to have those things to the satisfaction of other reviewers. Many thanks for your help, as always.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:19, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Chain Lightning

I just replied to your inquiry on my talk page.--Reedmalloy (talk) 15:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Buon Anno

Happy new year from Thailand... regards and best wishes for us and the old dear wikipedia... gian piero

WikiProject Films December 2009 Newsletter

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Tokyo Joe?

I can't find the article for this 2008 film mentioned in your move, where is it located? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 07:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I knew his story, so that should be interesting. Who's in it? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:39, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLVI (December 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLVI (December 2009)
From the coordinators Happy New Year to all! I shall take this opportunity to reflect upon the past year. In 2009 our project grew impressively, adding nearly 100 new featured articles and doubling the total number of featured lists. Overall the total number of articles within our scope surpassed 95,000 in 2009, and if these numbers hold steady we will surpass 100,000 articles in 2010. Thank you all for your outstanding efforts. We are currently working on several proposals to improve the project for 2010. These include bringing the Milhist Academy up to full operational status, as well as spicing up and streamlining the task force structure. Also, any help you can offer to clear the current backlog of Military History good article nominations would be appreciated. For the Coordinators, TomStar81 (Talk) 11:10, 26 December 2009 (UTC)	Articles of note New featured articles: Battle of Morotai Castle North Carolina class battleship Xa Loi Pagoda raids New featured lists: List of Brigade of Gurkhas recipients of the Victoria Cross List of World War I aces credited with more than 20 victories New featured pictures: After the War a Medal and Maybe a Job Lincoln assassination conspirators execution National Fund for the Welsh Troops USS Annapolis in the Arctic Yiddish World War I poster New A-Class articles: Battle of Bita Paka Battle of Ostrach Charles Eaton (RAAF officer) Design A-150 battleship Dutch 1913 battleship proposal Helmut Lent Henry Wrigley James Harold Cannan James Whiteside McCay Lebaudy Patrie Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3 Thomas Baker (aviator)
Project news The Henry Allingham World War I contest has entered its second phase with the following users qualifing: Abraham, B.S., Backslash Forwardslash,Carcharoth, Dana boomer, Durova, Eurocopter, Hawkeye7, Ian Rose, Labattblueboy, Redmarkviolinist, Sturmvogel 66 and XavierGreen. Coordinator Emeritus Kirill Lokshin has been re-elected to the Arbitration Committee for a two-year term in the 2009 elections. Kirill is one of four present or former coordinators of the project to be appointed to the Arbitration Committee; he was originally elected to a three-year term in 2007. The others are YellowMonkey (2007–2008), FayssalF (2008–2010), and Roger Davies (2009–2011). The Contest Department has completed its thirty-second month of competition; and its fourth month under the new scoring system. A total of 45 articles were entered by seven editors. Sturmvogel 66 came first with 82 points, followed by Auntieruth55 with 74 points. They receive the Chevrons and Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to Ian Rose (51), Abraham, B.S. (21) and Parsecboy (16). Ed! and Binksternet also fielded entries. Please submit any articles you are working on for the January contest.
Awards and honours The WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves has been awarded to Auntieruth55 in recognition of her excellent work on three featured articles, detailed A-Class reviews, high levels of participation, and for always helping other contributors. She also receives the A-Class medal for her work on Hermann Detzner, Cologne War and Battle of Ostrach. MisterBee1966 receives the A-Class medal for his work on Egmont Prinz zur Lippe-Weißenfeld, List of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords or Diamonds recipients of the Waffen-SS and Helmut Lent. Hawkeye7 and Ian Rose both receive A-Class medals with Oak Leaves for their work on Iven Giffard Mackay, James Harold Cannan and James Whiteside McCay, and on Frederick Scherger, Henry Wrigley and Charles Eaton (RAAF officer) respectively.
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Service awards proposal

Hello, Bzuk/Archive 8! I noticed you display a service award, and would like to invite you to join the discussion over a proposed revamping of the awards. If you have any opinions on the proposal, please participate in the discussion. Thanks! — the Man in Question (in question) 18:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Re:Citations

Thanks, I will take note of that, MoS is my Achilles "elbow".--Darius (talk) 22:05, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Slingsby Hengist

In the infobox caption you mention the AFEE - what was that?TSRL (talk) 22:13, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

File:Airspeed Viceroy.JPG listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:Airspeed Viceroy.JPG, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Damiens.rf 17:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Massive edit to The High and the Mighty (film)

Hello Bzuk: Please help me keep an eye on The High and the Mighty (film) to which an editor with whom I am not familiar just made huge edit (which I reverted) removing all the images and making many formatting and other changes to the text. I reverted this within ten minutes with an edit summary advising that edits of this magnitude must be discussed and agreed to in Talk for the article before being arbitrarily made out of the blue. Thanks. Centpacrr (talk) 03:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia Citation Style

I don't know if you are aware of this, but I thought that Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Wikipedia Citation Style might interest you.Nigel Ish (talk) 20:13, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Google book links

There were several relevant discussions on that at WP:FA talks and elsewhere and I do not recall any resolution banning or disencouraging such links, even at FA level. On the contrary, they do provide access to the text otherwise hidden. At Erich Hartmann, I added only selected links where full texts are available for viewing. Materialscientist (talk) 03:49, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Insufficient warning

I declined your vandal report one warning is not sufficient to place a block. Jeepday (talk) 15:58, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Pardon me for intruding...

But...how do I remove that annoying ToC banner on my talk page? It always messes up my formatting/layout and looks sooo uneven. Is there a way to remove it permanently without having to just "hide" it? Fruit.Smoothie (talk) 21:49, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Place __NOTOC__ operator on that page. Materialscientist (talk) 22:20, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Spitfire move

I'm not trying to split any content. I just did a history merge to make sure all the edits to the article are in one place. Graham87 15:16, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Silver Bug

You removed a link to Silver Bug in the Avrocar with an "unrelated" check in message. Given that the Avrocar article covers the Y-2 times, in depth, it seems a mention is definitely in order. What I think we really need to do is remove the Silver Bug article, and turn it into a redir back to avrocar. Make sense? Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:31, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

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Erich Hartmann

I left my comment on the talk page. Please have a look if this would be okay. MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

substing templates

I really wish you'd stop doing this 8-( Andy Dingley (talk) 13:22, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLVII (January 2010)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLVII (January 2010)
From the coordinators It's only a month into the New Year, and we've already made changes to the project's infrastructure, merging and improving several task forces (see below). Much content within the project's scope has also been improved: eleven new featured articles, two featured lists, two featured pictures, a featured sound, and seventeen A-class articles. Thanks and congratulations to all editors who contributed and/or nominated these items. In other news, the elections for new project coordinators are coming up in March. Think about whether you would like to run or not, and self-nominations will be coming up at the beginning of next month. Lastly, our project's A-class review process is desperately in need of new reviewers. Please consider looking at least one and leaving comments, no matter how small or trivial. It will be greatly appreciated by the article's nominator(s). For the coordinators, —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 03:32, 3 February 2010 (UTC)	Articles of note New featured articles: Battle of the Nile Bodiam Castle Charles Eaton (RAAF officer) Frederick Scherger Helmut Lent James Whiteside McCay Johann von Klenau Peter Heywood The Battle of Alexander at Issus Thomas Baker (aviator) Walter Peeler New featured lists: List of Asian American Medal of Honor recipients Order of battle at the Battle of the Nile New featured pictures: Return of the Great White Fleet SMS Moltke (1910) New featured sounds: It's a Long Way to Tipperary New A-Class articles: Alexander Pentland Battle of Osan Battle of Winterthur (1799) Cedric Howell CFM International CFM56 Florida class battleship Friedrich Freiherr von Hotze HMS Lion (1910) List of battlecruisers of Germany‎ List of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves recipients: 1940–1941 Max-Hellmuth Ostermann Operation Windsor Petlyakov Pe-8 Robert Peverell Hichens Smedley Butler USS Hawaii (CB-3) Vernon Sturdee
Project news Congratulations go to Abraham, B.S., Nick-D, and Durova, who placed 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, respectively, in our annual Military Historian of the Year contest! Thanks to all who voted, and congratulations to our runners up: Auntieruth55, BilCat, Hawkeye7, Ian Rose, MBK004, MinisterForBadTimes, Parsecboy, Sturmvogel 66, and The ed17. Our thanks go to all editors who participated in our recent task force housekeeping discussion and to EyeSerene who implemented the technical side of the approved changes. The new line up is as follows: The Military science and the Military technology and engineering task forces have been merged to form the Military science and technology task force. The Indian and Pakistani task forces have been merged, and re-scoped, to form the South Asian military history task force. The Taiwanese task force has been merged into the Chinese military history task force. The Lebanese task force has been merged into the Middle Eastern military history task force. The Romanian task force has been merged into the Balkan military history task force.
Contest department The Contest Department has completed its thirty-third month of competition; and its fifth month under the new scoring system. A total of 91 articles were entered by ten editors. Sturmvogel 66 came first with 152 points, followed by Kumioko with 98 points. They receive the Chevrons and Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to Auntieruth55 (87), Abraham, B.S. (48), Parsecboy (41), and Ian Rose (41). Binksternet, Radeksz, Ed! and D2306 also fielded entries. Please submit any articles you are working on for the February contest.
Awards and honours The A-Class medal has been awarded to: Auntieruth55 for her work on Johann von Klenau, Friedrich Freiherr von Hotze and Battle of Winterthur (1799). Sturmvogel 66 for his work on Sd.Kfz. 10, Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3 and Petlyakov Pe-8. The_ed17 for his work on Design A-150 battleship, Dutch 1913 battleship proposal and USS Hawaii (CB-3). The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to: Abraham, B.S. for his work on Walter Peeler, Thomas Baker (aviator) and Cedric Howell. Parsecboy for his work on SMS Nassau, Florida class battleship and List of battlecruisers of Germany.
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External Links - Avro Arrow

The potential conflict of interest of your putting an external link to AvroLand seems evident here:

"AvroLand would like to thank the following people and sites for their KEY assistance in this project: Michael Deschamps, Karls Arrow and Jetliner Websites, Ron Page, Graham Wragg, Bill Zuk (Check out your local book store / retailer for Bill Zuk's latest books on Avro including a new children's book!)".

How about we get a consensus on the talk page before we put it back? Addionne (talk) 14:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Lindburgh

Um ... why should "fame" be linked? Can you please read WP:OVERLINK. The Lindburgh article is spattered with so much blue, it will ensure that hardly anyone clicks on a useful link. Why are Garden City" AND "Manhatten" AND "New York City" all linked? Why would a read want to go directly to the general ones rather than through the most specific (the first)?

Integral to the story has nothing to do with whether a link should be created. "The" is integral to the story, too. Tony (talk) 07:26, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

• Hi Bzuk. Please see my comment in section three of this "New Georgia Encyclopedia" talk page and add one yourself if you feel it is appropriate. I am not sure what these folks have in mind to do to Slim. Thanks! Centpacrr (talk) 20:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Swing Vote Edit question

Hi there. I saw that you edited out the cast member links in the plot summary of the 2008 film, Swing Vote. I'm new to WPFilms, but I thought that those kind of cast links were encouraged in the summary, even though links are provided in the infobox and cast links sections. I wanted to clarify in case there was a discussion about this somewhere I was unaware of; I wasn't sure if it might not be a personal preference of yours as an editor. You can reply here or on my own talk page; I'll see it either way. Thanks in advance. =) Millahnna (mouse)talk 14:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Great, thanks for the info. Logically, I could see a reason for people liking it to do it either way (and hadn't seen any edit warring or debates on the topic). I've seen a few folks go through the summaries I've done so far and add the same kind of links you removed, thus my asking. Since plot summaries are my obsession I will keep it in mind for my future efforts. Happy editing! Millahnna (mouse)talk 15:37, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Bill. I saw your AIV report on 75.80.151.51 (talk · contribs) but I don't see the vandalism. I know you to be a pretty solid editor so I thought I'd ask for more info before dismissing the report. I suspect there is more than meets the eye. Toddst1 (talk) 14:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLVIII (February 2010)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLVIII (February 2010)
From the coordinators March, as you know, is an election month for our project, when we pick the coordinators for the next six months. We are seeking motivated individuals willing to devote some of their time and energy to the project so it continues to grow and prosper. Also, I am making a personal appeal to each of you, the members of this project, to come out and vote for the candidates that run. These users will be responsible for managing the assessment process, answering questions, and making sure that the project's other needs are met. We have approximately 1,000 users who identify as being a part of our project, yet on average only about one-tenth of that number participate in elections. Moreover, as we typically hold referendums on major issues affecting the project along with these election, those who do not vote miss the opportunity to give their opinion on matters affecting the project as a whole. Remember, one vote always makes a difference. For the coordinators, TomStar81 (Talk) 23:47, 6 February 2010 (UTC)	Articles of note New featured articles: Admiralty Islands campaign Alexander Pentland Anthony Roll Battle of Winterthur (1799) Cedric Howell HMS Calliope (1884) The Disasters of War New featured lists: List of battlecruisers of Germany List of National Treasures of Japan (castles) New featured pictures: Australian military encampment, 1918 Injured Arriving by Boat at Balaklava USS New Jersey, 1918 New A-Class articles: Battle of Taejon Bombardment of Papeete First Battle of Maryang San Henry George Chauvel List of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves recipients: 1942 Michael J. Daly Nguyen Van Nhung No. 1 Wing RAAF Oswald Watt Red Tail Project Siege of Godesberg (1583) SMS Goeben Yermolayev Yer-2
Project news A discussion has begun concerning our military history manual of style's guideline recommending preemptive disambiguation on the naming of military units. As the outcome of the discussion will likely effect a number of pages within our scope we are seeking input from the community on whether the guideline should be changed. Late last year, several largely inactive task forces were merged. However, the mergers of the Australia and New Zealand task forces did not take place as there was no consensus for a new name. To resolve this, a discussion has begun and all editors are encouraged to participate.
Contest department The Contest Department has completed its thirty-fourth month of competition; and its sixth month under the new scoring system. A total of 82 articles were entered by eight editors. Kumioko came first with 110 points, followed by Sturmvogel 66 with 87 points. They receive the Chevrons and Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to Auntieruth55 (59) and Ian Rose (36). Binksternet, Cirt, Radeksz and YellowMonkey also fielded entries. Please submit any articles you are working on for the March contest.
Awards and honours Brad101 has been awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves in recognition of his excellent reviewing and work on a sizable number of nautical articles that fall within our scope, producing a number of high-quality articles for the Military history and Ships WikiProjects. The A-Class medal has been awarded to Anotherclown for his work on Operation Coburg, Battle of Bita Paka and First Battle of Maryang San. The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to MisterBee1966 for his work on Max-Hellmuth Ostermann, List of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves recipients: 1940–1941 and List of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves recipients: 1942.
Editorial: Reliable sources in military history Across Wikipedia, guidelines have been set up so that editors can vet sources for themselves. Links to some of these and a guide for checking if a source is reliable can be found in an excellent Signpost dispatch written by Ealdgyth (talk · contribs). However, for the majority of military history-related topics, we strive for more than just a basic reliable source. Specifically, we aim for peer-reviewed articles and books over, for example, most websites. Contemporary news articles or accounts can and should be mixed in (if possible) to give a picture of the general view point of the time—were they calm, afraid, unsure of what was going on? Another major tenet is neutrality. If an editor rewrote the article Dieppe Raid using only the official Canadian history, we would have a problem; while it does contain a thorough and in-depth overview, a point-of-view can still be read. For one, it gives an undue amount of focus to Canada's input in the planning of the landing, and it would probably give an undue focus to their troops if a majority of the landing forces hadn't been Canadian. Granted, this is a book written to document that country's role in the Second World War, so you would hope it focuses on them, but this same reason makes it unusable as the primary basis for an article. In this case, you would like to utilize a few recent, peer-reviewed books and journals, the official British, Canadian and German histories, possibly a few books written by historians from the aforementioned countries, and newspapers from that time period. Obviously this is ideal, but you need to represent all three sides in this (the United States would be a fourth, but they played only a minor role in the planning and invading). This neutrality aspect applies especially for battles and to a lesser degree biographies, but it can be utilized in virtually every article in our scope. For example, it could be beneficial to obtain Japanese accounts of B-29 Superfortress bombing raids or non-Puerto Rican peer-reviewed sources for that insular area's role in the Second World War. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) Notes
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[1] You're going to need a citation for that. I've read around 40 books on the Guadalcanal campaign, including several that give the Japanese side, and none of them say that those Korean laborers were slaves. They may have been, but we can't say that unless we have a RS that says so. Please reply on the article talk page. Cla68 (talk) 00:23, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

A-10 Thunderbolt II formatting

Hi,

I see that several times in the last six months you have insisted on enforcing a particular citation style on it, going as far as to summarily revert some recent improvements to it because they went against that style. I see nothing in WP:AVICITE which mandates the use of non-templated references, and the template style offers me significant advantages as an editor (not least the recent change which ensures that the various Air Force links are presented as being from "U.S. Air Force" and not a random assortment of "af.mil", "USAF" and "Air Force"). I've recently nominated this article for GA review, which requires consistency in footnotes. If there isn't some better reason to have the untemplated style than personal preference then I'd ask that you refrain from enforcing this style in future. Thanks. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:47, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

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Can I ask you to leave your opinion here about the latest Kurfurst saga? (Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive828#Block review requested for Kurfurst). I'll understand if yu can't be bothered with it. Dapi89 (talk) 09:25, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

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Greetings again Bzuk: I compiled an article about an Ohio State alumni, Douglas M. Webster, who was lost off the USS Ticonderoga in 1965 in a Broken Arrow. It has been challenged for speedy deletion. I would appreciate it if you would take a look and offer your opinion. I am not soliciting support - well, maybe I am - but if you disagree that is fine too. I just want more than one opinion... Mark Sublette (talk) 10:13, 28 March 2010 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 10:13, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

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Aircraft cost/effectiveness

See Talk:Fighter_aircraft#Fighter_aircraft_cost.2Feffectiveness Perhaps that you are intrested in cooperating ? Thanks in advance KVDP (talk) 13:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

La-7

I'd prefer not to bump heads with you over the La-7 article, so please do not make any changes until I'm pretty well finished with it. I have my preferred style which I'll bring this article up to, but at my own pace. I'm perfectly happy to discuss any changes that you think should be made, although I may not agree with them. I've already written several A-class aircraft articles, notably Petlyakov Pe-8, Yermolayev Yer-2 and Petlyakov Pe-3, which is going through an ACR right now, so you can see how I like to do things. And I invite you to comment on the Pe-3 article, if you're so minded. The standard that I've run into there is that books not referenced should be moved to a further reading section as they're less immediately useful than those actually referenced. And with reliable Soviet information only surfacing after the end of the Cold War, I'm not inclined to list any book that dates prior to that as they are contradicted by more recent, and reliable, sources and are only going to confuse a general reader. Frankly I'm not inclined to perpetuate their myths and mistakes in any way.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:18, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLIX (March 2010)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLIX (March 2010)
From the coordinators I am pleased to report that the March coordinator elections have concluded, and that 15 members have been selected to serve as coordinators from April to September. Special congratulations go to AustralianRupert, Dank, MisterBee1966, NativeForeigner, Patar knight, and Ranger Steve, all of whom are newly elected coordinators. As we start this new tranche we welcome all returning coordinators, and wish those who decided not to stand for reelection luck as they move on to new things. In other election news, a motion made to extend the coordinator tranche from its current six-month term to one full year gained consensus from the election participants. This will take effect in September, during the next election cycle. For the IX Coordinator Tranche, TomStar81 (Talk) 05:02, 27 March 2010 (UTC)	Articles of note New featured articles: 21st Regiment Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Battle of Osan Bayern class battleship Dutch 1913 battleship proposal Karl Aloys zu Fürstenberg Mary Rose No. 1 Wing RAAF USS Congress (1799) New featured lists: List of Medal of Honor recipients for the Boxer Rebellion List of Medal of Honor recipients for the Vietnam War List of United States Military Academy alumni (Confederate States Army) New featured topics: Battlecruisers of Germany New featured pictures: Cavalry At Balaklava New A-Class articles: Allan Walters Army of the Danube Battle of Dürenstein Byzantine-Sassanid War of 602–628 HMAS Sydney (R17) Horses in World War I Lê Văn Duyệt Michael P. Murphy Roderic Dallas USS Triton (SSRN-586)
Project news Operation Normandy In May 2008 a small group of editors, operating from a page in Cam's userspace, began work on improving Wikipedia's articles relating to the pivotal Second World War Battle of Normandy that took place in northern France between 6 June and the end of August 1944. Milhist has now adopted this collaboration as our third special project. The aim of Operation Normandy is to bring all core topics—official operations, battles, and the invasion beaches—to featured status by the 70th anniversary of D-Day on 6 June 2014. More information can be found on the project page; any interested editors are most welcome to sign up and help us meet this challenging goal! Henry Allingham World War I Contest Our Henry Allingham World War I Contest ended on 11 March with the following results: in first place was Sturmvogel 66; in second place was Ian Rose; in third place was Dana boomer; and the finalists were Abraham, B.S., Carcharoth, and XavierGreen. The contest produced an incredible 238 recognised article improvements, of which 6 were Featured articles, 13 were A-Class articles and 22 were Good articles. In addition 43 newly created or expanded articles were successfully submitted for the 'Did you know' section on Wikipedia's main page. Our warmest congratulations go to the medallists and finalists, and our grateful thanks go to all participants and particularly to Eurocopter for organizing the contest. Would you like to get more involved in the project? There are many open tasks that could use your help. The project's review department is always in need of input at peer reviews, A-class reviews, FACs and FARs; these can be found here. Also, the project maintains a list of deletion debates for military-related articles that have been nominated for deletion; project members are encouraged to provide their opinions in this forum so that consensus can be established. Finally, if content creation is more what you are looking for, each of the project's 48 task forces maintains a list of requested articles. Your comments are invited in the following ongoing project discussions: Pre-emptive disambiguation. Since 2006 our in-house style guide has recommended disambiguating the titles of articles about military units whether another article of the same name exists or not. The continued need for this practice is under discussion. Merging the Australian and New Zealand task forces. This is the final call for editors to have their say in choosing a name for the shortly-to-be-merged Australian and New Zealand task forces.
Contest department The Contest Department has completed its thirty-fifth month of competition. A total of 66 articles were entered by ten editors. Kumioko came first with 105 points, followed by Lordoliver with 79. They receive the Chevrons and Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to Auntieruth55 (75), Ian Rose (53), Parsecboy (35), and Historical Perspective (31). Binksternet, Cirt, Radeksz and YellowMonkey also fielded entries. Please submit any articles you are working on for the April contest.
Awards and honours The WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves has been awarded to: Nick-D in recognition of his long and distinguished service as a coordinator of this project from February 2008 to March 2010; sterling efforts on "big picture" subjects, including ten featured articles; and his tireless participation in discussion and review. Sturmvogel 66 in recognition of his distinguished service as a coordinator of this project, extraordinary performance within the Henry Allingham World War I Contest and other extremely valuable contributions to the project. The A-Class medal has been awarded to: Auntieruth55 for her work on Siege of Godesberg (1583), Karl Aloys zu Fürstenberg and Army of the Danube. Kumioko for his work on Smedley Butler, Michael J. Daly and Michael P. Murphy. The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to: Ian Rose for his work on Alexander Pentland, Oswald Watt and Roderic Dallas.
Editorial: Translating article writing to real life I (Ed) am a college student in the United States, and as part of attaining my desired degree, I chose to take a course in Arab-Islamic history. We began in the early 600s and spent some time on the origins of the Islamic conquering of the Sassanid Empire and partial takeover of the Byzantine Empire (c. 634–750). From there, we have moved through the various ages of history, and the class recently began discussing the Ottoman Empire and other Islamic regions of more recent times. As we began discussing the Ottoman Empire's role in the First World War, our professor mentioned that they were blockading the Bosphorus, using it as a chokepoint to cut off needed supplies traveling to Russia's only warm-water port, Sevastopol. An astute classmate, realizing this meant the use of warships, wondered what naval technology was like during this time. The professor turned and asked me to answer the question, as he knew I had been studying naval history and believed that I knew more about the subject. The point of this anecdote is not to boast, but to provoke some thought. By virtue of the research Wikipedia writers must do to write complete, referenced articles, many of us are acquiring knowledge in specialized topics that can surpass even learned scholars. Wikipedia might even provoke some of us into becoming learned scholars through the subjects we find here. To profile one such case, take a look at Parsecboy. Beginning in May 2007, he came across a few essentially empty stubs on German battleship classes. Nearly 3 years later, he's written or collaborated on more than forty articles rated as good or higher, including over a dozen featured articles and a featured list; the majority relate to German warships. The work Parsecboy has done for Wikipedia has had a tremendous impact on his academic career: to complete his undergraduate degree, Parsecboy is currently writing an Honors Thesis that will analyze the British and German battlecruiser squadrons during the First World War. Parsecboy plans to attend graduate school and continue his research in the area, culminating in a dissertation. He comments that "without a doubt, I would not have had nearly as much knowledge and interest in the topic, nor would I have known where to begin researching if I had not become so involved with the topic here on Wikipedia." The knowledge you acquire through writing Wikipedia articles will remain with you for the rest of your life. Try to find a way to use it to your advantage. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) and Parsecboy (talk)
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15/88 Macchi C. ratio

To be honest, this ratio refers only to the Saettas... The 202 were much better but for what I read, for what I know, there is no trace of Macchi C.202 air victories against Soviet aircraft, so...

--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 16:53, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Sounds of Silence

Your silence worries me...

--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 10:49, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Ubi maior, minor cessat

Ok, dont worry best regards

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Pulqui II

Thanks for the help with this! - The Bushranger (talk) 18:12, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Hear, hear! This article just keeps getting better -- one of the more intriguing "what-ifs"...

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Sure, just like any other image of an object. But somebody has to spend the time and effort to do it, which is the limiting factor as I see it. And until that happens I see no reason not to use it.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 06:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

True; but just because an image takes effort to replace does not mean that it cannot be replaced (indeed, what image takes no effort to replace?) The relevant policy (WP:NFCC, criterion 1) only allows non-free content where a free alternative cannot be created. --Rlandmann (talk) 12:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I did try to find an alternative and even tried my hand at creating an image. FWiW, the purpose of using this particular image was to show the design features that were retained from the earlier 1945 Ta 183. Bzuk (talk) 12:38, 28 April 2010 (UTC).

And I think that that policy is far too strict and, if followed, would prevent use of virtually all non-free images. Much to the detriment of Wiki, IMO, as most obscure articles would be deprived of an image.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

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Debate about Red Baron's funeral on Missing man formation

Someone who apparently imagines that Von Richthofen is a figure from the SECOND world war is madly reverting over a silly idea that funeral flyovers originated from his funeral. His source indicates that it is a supposition, but he insists is "useful" and "accurate". Anyway, I would appreciate your having a look at this as we need to get a consensus.--Soundofmusicals (talk) 22:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for hopping in so promptly - among other things it helped me to keep my head (says he!) and stay (relatively) civil (Well, civil for me, anyway!). I think we just about have a consensus now? Incidentally "the person" involved detected that I invited half the people who have edited the Richthofen article, and carried on as if it were a mortal sin to do so. I don't think it was, was it? I've never seen anything forbidding or discouraging such invitations, in fact I've answered a few myself. My motives were (pretty much anyway) pure, in that all I wanted was an article without any BS. I'm not an empty point scorer (at least I like to think I am not).

By the way - talking about the tendency of some people to overdo copyright purity - I removed his tag from "my" photograph and replaced it with this...

• This photograph is over ninety years old

• It is of a service aircraft, and was taken during the 1914-1918 war - at a time when all photography of service aircraft except by service personnel on official duty was strictly forbidden. There is therefore a strong legal presumption that any original copyright belonged to the British Crown - which copyright has long expired.

• It has been published many times in various source during the past ninety years.

It may well be difficult to specifically demonstrate the "free" status of these photographs where their possession of an official Imperial War Museum number is doubtful, and the original provenance is unknown, but it would seem somewhat unproductive to "pursue" images in this category.

Do you think a tag to this effect could go on all old WWI photographs (British ones, anyway)??? Point two, in particular, is pretty conclusive, I think.

--Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : L (April 2010)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue L (April 2010)
From the coordinators It's been a month since the end of the coordinator elections, and I am proud to inform the project that the IX coordinator tranche is doing well. Our new coordinators are rapidly learning the ropes, and the last of the task forces under consideration for merging have been consolidated into a new task force which should increase productivity and improve quality article output. At the moment the coordinators are discussing preliminary plans for an improved version of The Bugle, and are working with editors from the American Civil War task force who are in the process of organizing a new special project relating to that conflict. It is our hope to see these changes implemented in the upcoming month. Lastly, as many of our members are also in school, we extend our best wishes to all who will be taking final exams both this month and next. For the IX coordinator tranche, TomStar81 (Talk) 22:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC)	Articles of note New featured articles: Battle of Dürenstein Battle of Pulo Aura Battle of Taejon Battle of The Cedars Brougham Castle Cleomenean War Harry Chauvel Japanese battleship Yamato Lester Brain Myles Standish Roderic Dallas USS President (1800) War of the Bavarian Succession New featured lists: Order of battle at the Battle of Camperdown New featured topics: Yamato class battleships New featured portals: Biological warfare New A-Class articles: 22nd Regiment Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Battle of Chochiwon Battle of Chonan Battle of Naktong Bulge Battle of Pyongtaek Battle of Slater's Knoll Battle of The Cedars Battle of Valcour Island Brian Eaton Douglas MacArthur Heinrich Prinz zu Sayn-Wittgenstein HMAS Australia (1911) Kongō class battlecruiser‎ List of battleships of Germany Massachusetts in the American Civil War Operation Sandblast Order of Saint Hubert (Bavarian) Ordnance QF 25-pounder Short Petlyakov Pe-3 SMS Helgoland Sovetsky Soyuz class battleship
Project news With consensus reached on a new name, the project's Australian military history and New Zealand military history task forces have been merged to form the Australia, New Zealand and South Pacific military history task force (shortcut: WP:ANZSP). Under its wider remit, this task force will also include those islands and regions of the South Pacific not covered by our Southeast Asian military history task force. Coordinators Ian Rose and AustralianRupert have transferred across and will continue to serve as coordinators for the ANZSP task force.
Contest department The Contest Department has completed its thirty-sixth month of competition. A total of 50 articles were entered by eight editors. Parsecboy came first with 126 points, followed by Ian Rose with 73. They receive the Chevrons and Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to Historical Perspective (72), Auntieruth55 (62), and Kumioko (30). Lordoliver, Binksternet and LeonidasSpartan also fielded entries. Please submit any articles you are working on for the May contest.
Awards and honours The A-Class medal has been awarded to: Auntieruth55 for her work on Battle of Dürenstein, War of the Bavarian Succession and Order of Saint Hubert (Bavarian). Ed! twice for his work on Battle of Osan, Battle of Taejon, Battle of Pyongtaek, Battle of Naktong Bulge, Battle of Chonan and Battle of Chochiwon. Magicpiano for his work on Battle of Ticonderoga (1759), Siege of Fort Ticonderoga (1777) and Battle of The Cedars. Nick-D for his work on Dutch 1913 battleship proposal, No. 1 Wing RAAF and Ordnance QF 25-pounder Short. Saberwyn for his work on Collins class submarine, HMAS Sydney (R17) and HMAS Australia (1911). Sturmvogel 66 for his work on HMS Lion (1910), Yermolayev Yer-2 and Sovetsky Soyuz class battleship. The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to: Hawkeye7 for his work on Vernon Sturdee, Harry Chauvel and Douglas MacArthur. Ian Rose for his work on Allan Walters, Lester Brain and Brian Eaton. Parsecboy for his work on SMS Goeben, SMS Helgoland and List of battleships of Germany.
Editorial: Milhist's special projects This month we're taking a look at the Military history WikiProject's special projects. At present we have three—Operation Great War Centennial, Operation Majestic Titan, and Operation Normandy—with, as Tom mentions in his introduction, a fourth coming on line as this newsletter goes out. Operation Great War Centennial Officially the longest running of our special projects, this started in December 2008 with the ambitious goal of improving our core articles relating to the First World War by June 2014. As it states on the project's page, "the centenary of the start of World War I ... will doubtless be a mammoth commemoration of one of the most significant wars in history, attracting vast interest from schools, universities, veterans groups and the media. It offers us the chance to showcase what a brilliant resource Wikipedia is". With World War I receiving well over 20,000 page views per day on most days, the truth of these words is evident and the opportunity too good to miss. Operation Great War Centennial has compiled a list of over 300 articles covering topics such as battles, geographical areas, people, armaments, and technology; while some have achieved featured or good status, the majority are at B-Class or below, so there is plenty there for willing editors to get their teeth into. Operation Majestic Titan The home of our much-respected and admired "Battleship Cabal", Operation Majestic Titan started in June 2009 with the aim of creating the "single largest featured topic on Wikipedia, centered around the battleships considered, planned, built, operated, canceled, or otherwise recorded." At time of writing the prolific Majestic Titan team has produced an impressive 33 featured articles, 19 A-Class, 60 good articles, three featured topics and six good topics. According to the project's working list, there are only 427 more articles to go... Operation Normandy Although it first appeared in Milhist's pages in March 2010, this project had been formerly operating out of Cam's userspace as the "Normandy Team" since May 2008, making it a contender for our longest-running unofficial special project. Operation Normandy is aiming to create a Featured Topic on the Second World War Battle of Normandy by the 70th Anniversary of D-Day on 6 June 2014. With nine featured articles so far and 29 more to go, progress has been steady. More help, however, is always welcome. Our fourth special project, American Civil War Sesquicentennial, is in the process of organising and at present lacks a name (see this discussion if you have any suggestions). The project will be looking to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the American Civil War by its sesquicentennial anniversary in 2011. The beginning of a drive is always an exciting time to get involved, so interested editors are strongly encouraged to drop by and sign up. Special projects are a great way of organising a long-term collaboration with a specific end-point in mind, and tend to be more goal-oriented and focused than the general task forces or informal working groups. Joining a special project is also a fantastic way to work alongside like-minded editors with whom you'll undoubtedly develop close working relationships; by your third or fourth FA submission you'll hopefully be operating as part of a well-oiled team. Editor roles are many and varied: content writers, source material providers, image- and map-makers, copy editors, reviewers, MoS gurus, wikignomes, specialists and generalists... you're sure to find a job that suits you and benefits the team. If you have an idea for a special project or are already undertaking a collaboration that you think fits in with the ethos of those above, and you'd like to benefit from Milhist's support and infrastructure, consider dropping the coordinators a note. Personally I've found the synergy and teamwork of contributing to a special project (Operation Normandy in my case) to be one of the most rewarding and enjoyable aspects of my time here. I hope you will too. EyeSerenetalk 14:16, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
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Planet Satellite

Just found a golden oldie while going through the de Havilland Gipsy Queen article, love the writing style! Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 00:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Spring Byington

Bill, please see my comment on Talk:Spring Byington. I'm a bit new to all this, but I posted a request to protect the article, and the response was to block the offending user. The rest of my post should be self-explanatory. Because you're an established editor, I was reluctant to remove the material, but, in my view and that of others, it's clearly objectionable. Take a look at the revision history. I'd like to remove it, but I'll wait a bit to hear from you.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:29, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Bill, between the two of us, we certainly are cleaning up the Byington article. Thanks for changing my change from "Mother Byington" to "Her mother." Much better. I originally made the changes because the two Helenes were confusing. I thought the sister had gone to medical school, but, of course, she would had to have been only 6 years old if that were the case. It's very hard to find references for Byington. While I was hunting for some, I saw several different birthdates for her - probably not unusual for actors - but I decided to leave the one in the article the way it was based on a preponderance using that one. I finally found another source of the gay rumors in an article I read about Marjorie Main (apparently not the one you read) calling Byington Main's "companion." If that's the only evidence of Byington being gay or bi, it's pretty flimsy. The assertions that Main was gay are better documented in her Wiki article.

One more aside question. In the Byington article Infobox spouse field, it says she had two children. I thought I read somewhere that children shouldn't be in that field; is that true?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:15, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

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		No, really, I promise. I was going to give you one half an hour ago; this is not tit-for-tat. Thank you for trying to help a new editor get unBITTEN, and for doing it professionally, calmly, and doggedly. Floquenbeam (talk) 03:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

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Hans Multhopp

I was just going by what was on his wiki page with the Paperclip reference - I guess that's wrong, then? Ouch. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 00:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification - there seem to be a lot of sources out there that claim Multhopp/Germans designed the Lightning themselves (!), that was my compromise, as it were. Feel free to change it to something more accurate - at the moment I can't think up a non-awkward phrasing to say "provided aerodynamic data that may have..." etc. :) - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 19:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks muchly! :) It's a pleasure working with you as well, hope to be able to work with you again too. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 13:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

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		For sharing such a stupendeous a wealth of knowledge and information with us all, and inspiring others to learn and do better. The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 20:01, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

CF-103

Neat project, and one I'd never heard of before today! One note, the reason I'd switched to the other specs template was so that the 'empty' span and height categories wouldn't show. Hopefully there's a source in your collection that has that information? - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 23:44, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, is there a dry thrust rating out there for the Orenda 17? Putting an afterburning thrust wihout a dry thrust on that template keeps the reheat thrust rating 'hidden', unfortunatly. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 23:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Heh, interesting stuff. Thanks for the background. I see Marketing was somewhat Dilbertian back then too! - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 00:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Hans Multhopp

Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

P-51 in USSR service

Bzulk, Old Lad, are You joking? :) Appraisal of Ussr? :)When? :) I only quoted a book where there are reported the notes of test pilots... is that appraisal of Ussr? It seems to me that the appraisal is of the P-51 in this article... it seems sometimes an advert of the P-51, dont You realize it? I can understand that is not pleasant to hear some voices out of the choir, that somebody says that even the divine Mustang had its defects but we should look for truth here not for nationalism support, or am I wrong? I mean: what You think is Your opinion or is the truth? bah... unuseful to complain... right? You do what Yo think is right and disregard the rest... Glad with it... --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 17:17, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

P-51

Bzulk, you can wrap me around the files and links of wikipedia many times..You know exactly what I mean: the P-51 article in more parts looks like an advert of its factory. No defects is listed, no shortcomings... it seems the perfect planes, come out from the Gods' hands... Please!!!You know that if Russia refused the Mustang in a time when she accepted everything with a pair of wings is most significant... unfortunately that new should go in the contrary opposite direction of the rest of the whole article, that looks lika a "santino", in italian is an article celebrating somebody or something... I repeat it to You: I can understand it, because we are all, little or more, nationalist... but what is written in the P-51 article goes against the truth and - at the end - what comes in your pockets to alterate the truth? regards, Gian Piero

Mustang "santino"

Sorry but I smell perfum of nationalism... :) are you sure that if Germany won the war that to be used in 55 nations should not have been the Focke WUlf Ta 152 (not less effective or modern than the P-41) or the new Macchi 207 or the Fiat G.56? If I am not wrong the Macchi C. 205 shot down not few Mustang even in big inferiority of numbers... and that should could be extremely telling, but this is not the point... it is not correct for the readers and the aenciclopaedya projecdt to show only a side of something, even if it is the Glory of the American/english plane... if a plane has shortcomings those have to be pointed out like you do so well when it comes to write about italian or not american/english aircraft Please consider it a little before running to delete others' contributs

Regards --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 18:51, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

FIAT G. 56

Have just a look, please! "The Fiat G.56 was basically a Fiat G.55 with a German Daimler-Benz DB 603 engine. Two prototypes were built, flight tests starting in March 1944.[9]. On 30 March, Commander Valentino Cus reached speeds of 690/700 km/h (430/440 mph). [14] Official maximum speed was 685 km/h (426 mph) and the aircraft was armed with three 20 mm MG 151/20s, one firing through the propeller hub, the other two installed in the wings.[15] While performance was excellent, the aircraft proving superior to both the Bf 109K and Bf 109G and Fw 190A, outmanoeuvring [2] all types in testing, production was not allowed by the German authorities." Short-legged? :) What do you mean? Short range? Please remember that Italian engineers worked in extremely difficult conditions under continuous Anglo/American bombings and partisan sabotages with heavy shortage of all strategical materials... Italy nerver developed long range fighters because she did not need them (or she thought so)...... Anyway this is not again the point ... the point is that the P-51 (and other similar articles) bend (is it correct?) to show the Anerican/English products in a better light undervaluing or not mentioning enough the (many?) shortcomings that they had.. do You thing that is fair? Or You think that I am absolutely wrong? Regards --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 20:40, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Avro Canada CF-103

Bradjamesbrown (talk) 06:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Soviet Air power

You are right, I lost a "c"... Sorry!

--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 13:10, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Convair Model 118

BorgQueen (talk) 00:03, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Sud-Est Grognard

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:FILMS May 2010 Newsletter

The May 2010 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 03:51, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Avrocar

Hey there, just read over the Avrocar article again. Might want to see about adding a few more inline citations to it when you get the chance? There's a number of uncited paragraphs and that's just asking for the GAR people to demote it, alas. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 01:08, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Aha, I see. I reckon I can handle that, if you'd like. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 02:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : LI (May 2010)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue LI (May 2010)
From the coordinators With Eurocopter's resignation (see editorial below), this month marks the end of his tenure as a project coordinator. Eurocopter has been with the team for almost three years now and will be sorely missed, but he has taken the tough decision that his real life commitments have unfortunately made it too hard for him to focus on his coordinator duties. We wish him good luck in the future, both in real life and on-wiki. Efforts to redesign The Bugle are moving forward and it is our intention to roll out a new format, based on the Signpost, for next month's issue. We hope that this will allow us to provide better coverage of the project's news by allowing more room to expand on the stories we bring to you. If you have any comments or suggestions on what we can do to improve coverage, please let us know. —your IX Coordinator Tranche, May 2010	Articles of note New featured articles: Action of 1 August 1801 Battle of Villers-Bocage Brian Eaton HMAS Australia (1911) HMS Lion (1910) Japanese battleship Tosa New featured lists: List of battleships of Germany New A-Class articles: 102nd Intelligence Wing Battle of Quebec (1775) Bombing of Yawata (June 1944) Deutschland class battleship Indiana class battleship Russian battleship Slava SMS Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand SMS Hannover William Ellis Newton
Project news With consensus reached on a name the American Civil War task force has officially opened our newest special project. Codenamed Brothers at War, its goal will be "...to improve [US Civil War] related Wikipedia articles to featured status, and to see as many of these as possible appear on the main page on their respective 150th anniversaries." The straw poll concerning preemptive disambiguation of military units as outlined by our Manual of Style has been closed, with near unanimous consensus that the current practice of preemptive disambiguation be retained. Thanks to everyone who participated in either the discussion or the straw poll. Members of Operation Majestic Titan have adopted a three-tiered award system to show appreciation to those who have done work on battleship or battlecruiser articles. Formally known as the Titan's Cross, the award has been issued to Parsecboy, Climie.ca, The ed17, and MBK004. The project's official IRC channel (#wikipedia-en-milhist) has been restarted. Project members and anyone interested in military history are encouraged to join us for substantive discussions, social discourse and a few laughs. Instructions on how to get on IRC are available here.
Contest department The Contest Department has completed its thirty-seventh month of competition. A total of 119 articles were entered by nine editors. Buggie111 came first with 139 points, followed by The Bushranger with 120. They receive the Chevrons and Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to Sturmvogel 66 (115), Parsecboy (86), Ian Rose (56) and Auntieruth55 (52). The ed17, LeonidasSpartan and Historical Perspective also fielded entries. Please submit any articles you are working on for the June contest.
Awards and honours The A-Class medal has been awarded to: Sturmvogel 66 for HMAS Australia (1911), Petlyakov Pe-3 and Russian battleship Slava. The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to: Parsecboy for Deutschland class battleship, SMS Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand and SMS Hannover.
Editorial: Project coordination and constructive editing For those of you who might not know me, I'm Eurocopter. I served as a coordinator of the Military history WikiProject from August 2007 until few days ago, when I decided to resign due to real life issues making it impossible for me to continue to perform project duties on a regular basis. Reflecting on my experience and activities within the project, I decided to write this editorial to set out a few thoughts and offer some advice to interested members. First of all, what does project coordination mean and how does it help the Military history WikiProject? Although the coordinators do not have any real executive powers, they play an important role in project management. To make editing contributions easier for our members we establish guidelines, manage Peer and A-Class reviews, and consult and assist when needed. The primary goal of the coordination team has always been to stimulate the development of quality articles and, once they have been developed, to facilitate maintaining them at a high standard for as long as possible. This has been carried out through the organization of a considerable number of assessment drives, contests and special projects. However, there is still much to be done to make the project one of the best and most active wiki-communities. Coordinator involvement in trying to achieve this, as the central promoters of any activity undertaken within the project, is more than important; the coordination team should stand as an example of civilised and constructive cooperation. Perhaps the most annoying issue—unfortunately quite widespread through the pages of Wikipedia—is POV-dominated conflict. While such a phenomenon might seem inevitable in a community within which hundreds of members of different nationalities with different historical and political views interact, it doesn’t mean we should accept it. The ability to neutrally mediate such conflicts is an important and desirable coordinator function. Secondly, but most importantly in my opinion, is the question of how the project enables editors to contribute effectively. Perhaps you already know how difficult it is to take an article to the highest quality levels such as A-Class or featured status. It is even harder to do this working alone. I believe the best thing the Military history WikiProject has done is to bring together groups of editors with similar interests. As there are very few editors skilled in all the diverse article development areas, you might feel the need for help from editors more experienced in, for example, advanced copy editing, image editing etc. To this end the project provides task forces and special projects where members should always feel encouraged to ask questions, discuss, debate and give advice. Such cooperation is the best way to create properly balanced articles and to establish a neutral point of view. Our Style guide and Academy are also useful in guiding you along the path of writing an article. A final, but vital, part of the collaborative article writing process is editor behaviour when interacting with other editors who are contributing to the same article. Even on those occasions where an editor upsets you or allows their personal opinions to influence their editing, always remain calm, civil and try to reach an agreement. Contributing to Wikipedia is something most of us do as a hobby; time spent in useless conflicts is precious editing time wasted. All in all, the Military history WikiProject is a good meeting point for milhist-interested editors, both beginners and advanced, with someone always there to give help and advice when needed. I wish to thank all my fellow coordinators and project members who keep this beautiful community running. I will certainly miss it! Best regards and happy wiki-editing! Eurocopter (talk) 20:24, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
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CF-18 Hornet references

I reverted your revert of my edit. The link you posted is simply a very abbreviated version of the G&M article, and even cites the G&M article as its source. It makes far more sense to use the full G&M article to provide context and more information, not to mention that, not being a blog, it's a far more reputable source. Quoting your link in full: Globe and Mail Ottawa to spend $9-billion in sole-source deal for US fighter jets Globe and Mail Ottawa — From Tuesday's Globe and Mail Published on Monday, Jun. 07, 2010 7:56PM EDT Last updated on Tuesday, Jun. 08, 2010 8:28AM EDT Ottawa is moving on a sole-sourced purchase of high-tech US fighter jets to replace its CF-18s despite furious … Government set to spend $9-billion dollars on new fighter jets 680 News Report:Ottawa set to spend $9B on new US fighter jets from single source Charlottetown, The Guardian Canada Buying New Fighter Jets: Globe 580 CFRA Radio AHN | All Headline News - As you can see, it's talking about the same G&M article posted, and provides absolutely no background information or the detail provided in the actual G&M article. Please read the actual G&M article for comparison, and review Wikipedia:Verifiability. - Jonathon A H (talk) 18:46, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Consensus

Hello Bill, First let me say I am quite impressed with your background and contributions to society in general, both here and in the academic world. During the 'Bell stamp dispute I was unaware of this and the fact that you were the senior editor on the AG'Bell page. My oversight, as I was too heated and busy looking into Gold' and co's trackrecords. On retrospect perhaps I could have embarked on the scene from a different approach. I have been an avid reader of Wiki history pages since the beginning, but am relatively new to editing and therefore am still in the process of learning some of the various protocols...but all of this blurred when the image I contributed was removed in the fashion it was. The 'national origin' issue caught me completely by surprise and frankly almost sent me through the roof, as I have never encountered such before. I still feel Gold' should have approached the matter with a discussion first, as after all, I included a Bell telephone stamp, not one of 'Bart Simpson', the likes of which would merit immediate removal. In any event, your words about an international page are indeed heeded, another perspective that was blurred during the dispute. Yes, one could say I am on a crusade to include stamps (where appropriate), as years ago it was the Bell stamp in particular that led me back into reading history, not to satisfy a required subject in a curriculum this time but to indulge in the fascinating aspects of history itself. When I introduce a stamp image to a page it is because I have a keen interest in the subject, and also, I do so to draw other collectors (I have learned there are thousands here at Wiki') to the page, as I often link up the image of a stamp with the corresponding history page. So far I have authored one page U.S. Space Exploration History on U.S. Stamps. It was sort of a trial run for the much larger history on stamps page I am still drafting in my user space, among others. To my complete surprise, the Space history' page ended up as a featured article in DYK on May 19th! I go at length here to convey these thoughts as I now realize you merit such, and to also let you know where my heart is and why I do what I do. All the best, John. GWillHickers (talk) 19:43, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Clear!

Used to fly, briefly, a Piper Cherokee back in '76. logged 'a whole' 44 hours.

'Got Wings'?

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Re:Pearl Harbor (Film)

Freind, Please Review Relevant Policies of WP:NPA particularly "Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence. Evidence often takes the form of diffs and links presented on wiki." In addition Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus-building as consensus has been built against your position. Please Note leaving a post at Wikipedia:Third opinion does not count under WP:Canvass.

Review Policies WP:UNDUE, WP:NPOV and WP:WP:OR and If you still feel that consensus is in error than you may by all means post an Wikipedia:Requests for comment on the topic.

Thank You Weaponbb7 (talk) 22:07, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Policy+Majority = Consensus

Review Policies WP:UNDUE, WP:NPOV and WP:WP:OR and If you still feel that consensus is in error than you may by all means post an Wikipedia:Requests for comment on the topic. Weaponbb7 (talk) 22:21, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I have observed the Much needed Rewrite and commend you on it, however the list Violates WP:UNDUE, WP:NPOV and WP:[[WP:OR] and should be removed at this point. The idea of the Daughter Article is equally unproductive as it would Be Speedy deleted under the same WP:UNDUE, WP:NPOV and WP:WP:OR issues. Weaponbb7 (talk) 22:30, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Bill, i came back. --Stefanomencarelli (talk) 21:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I had come to believe you were a neutral editor

I had come to believe you were a neutral editor, but this shows your own PoV has more sway in your edits than WP:V. en.WP is not a forum for your personal beliefs and nobody knows what happened to AE. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Amelia Earhart

Replied on my talk page. Thanks.Malke2010 05:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

question

Since you are knowledgeable about planes, do you know where I could find out what kind of planes the U.S. mail service was using back in the late 1930's, early 1940's? Thanks.Malke2010 15:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

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United States military aircraft designation systems

You corrected my editing of the Grumman F-11 Tiger designations, as I wrote F11F instead of F-11. The US Navy/USMC/USCG changed their designation system in 1962 as you can read in United States military aircraft designation systems, and the F11F-1 became the F-11A. It is sometimes confusing even today, as a designation like F/A-18 should not exist according to the tri-service desognation system, correctly it would be FA-18 or AF-18, but it is perhaps military ingenuity ... Kind regards Cobatfor (talk) 09:35, 2 July 2010 (UTC).

MACCHI MC.202 "FOLGORE"

my 2¢... What does it mean this "my 2¢"? I know that my english is bad, that's why I am trying to buy english written books... I have ordered almost everything is on the market aboout WWII aircraft. About the eventual intolerance of other contributors... they should respect the rules, right? If a sentence has a reference, why they should remove it? Only if it breaks the rules... There are the rules for them, right? You know, I would like to avoid all this work and concentrate on my books... I dont like to write in english that is not my language so sometimes I cant explain well... I say that some articles are not well written because they seem to me not enough balanced... Honestly, can You tell me that - before my overriding contriguts - the articles about Italian aircraft were balanced and acknowledged ( I dont know if the verb is correct) the qualities (sometimes outstanding) that (some) Italian planes had? Honestly, please. --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 16:58, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all the explanations... and I agree with the peacock, but - as I already said to Eh 101 - that is the ideal, the absolute... reality is made of books difficult to find and informations even more difficult to track... I mean... to show that the Macchi 202 outmanouvred the Hurricane we should need not only the maximum speed, but acceleration data, climb rate, time of a complete turn at several height, roll rate, and a lot of other datas to show the strenght of the aircraft, the resistence to enemy fire... in a word: impossible to find at least for Italian aircraft... uff... If I only could speak in Italian... so we are forced to use sentences like: "The Macchi could outperform the P40s and similar". And the problem is not that the Italian aircrfat are "covered", but that in the articles, before my "opinions" there was nothing about their effectiveness, nothing about their qualities, but only "technical" datas...

Were you a teacher? ANd you retired? Here we have to wait until 65 years of age, or you dont get the pension... I would like to stop teaching and concentrate on my books but to get the same salary of a teacher you should sell about 30,000 books per year, and very very few writers here achieved that... Buona notte --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 20:29, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, anyway.

--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 09:13, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Macchi C.200

Hi, I quote You from Ethell, pag. 69: "The Spitfire was the only Allied fighter that could out-climb the Saetta." I remembere to have read somewhere, from a British pilot, that the Saetta could do very steep climbs that the Hurricane could not follow, in a dogfight. I think that Ethell did not mean the climb rate that could be inferior with an engine of just 870 hp. (Any answer to my questions?) Regards --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 04:46, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

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Removal of maintenance templates

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Leslie Howard (actor)

Thanks for the helpful re-structuring of the page; I have been adding some citations based on reading the excellent Eforgan biography, good to see it cited in the bibliography. Npaskin (talk) 18:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Help/suggestion with referencing please

G'day Bill, I was wondering if you could give me some advice. You know a lot about referencing; I would like to use the info on this page for a revamp of the Super V article that I currently have lurking in my Sandbox. Do you have any suggestions for how to reference it? Do you have a copy of Canadian Aircraft Since 1909? If you do perhaps you could confirm that it it a verbatim extract and let me know the page number and book details so that I can reference the book instead of the web page; or is that not the way to do it? Thanks in advance. YSSYguy (talk) 03:05, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that Bill :-) YSSYguy (talk) 11:34, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

BOAC 777

Bill, I just noticed that there is a separate article BOAC Flight 777 as well as the Leslie Howard article you've been working on - the two are not currently linked. Should the section on Theories surrounding Howard's death from Leslie Howard , which you’ve edited and improved, be cross-referenced, merged, with that?? I’m not a WP expert and leave this to you. I have just added to the BOAC 777 article the conclusion of the Eforgan biography. Npaskin (talk) 16:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

R.E.8 article

Hi, a normally very reliable editor put a load of stuff into this from a source describing the F.E.8 - reverting this messed up some minor changes you made - you might want to reinstate these? --Soundofmusicals (talk) 23:20, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

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Good luck

Hi Bill: I just wanted to wish you a smooth transition into your new (old) career. Hope it will leave you more time for Wikipedia! - Ahunt (talk) 19:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Through the Roof!!: The Ascension of African Americans in the U.S. Military

Please don't add multiple deletion templates to an article. Thanks, Ironholds (talk) 14:34, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Franco Lucchini

Hello, sorry if I disturb, but I want to write a new article about the Italian top ace Franco Lucchini, but when I digit this name on wikipedia it comes out something about a Japanese comic or something about it... how can I edit a new article with this name, Franco Lucchini? Thanks a lot --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 07:03, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

PZL.5

Thanks for improving it. How about uprating it to B class? (also, as a non-native speaker, I must ask, is "sport air aircraft" correct, or a typo?) Pibwl ←« 21:42, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Mosquito

This IP joker keeps reverting and vanadalising the page. I can't revert again. Can you revert this blatant vandal edit [2]. Dapi89 (talk) 13:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Curtiss SB2C Helldiver

I'm curious, why did you revert my changes to Curtiss SB2C Helldiver? My intent was to use cite news for a more uniform look & feel. 00:08, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing

Thanks for fixing my broken edit. I didn't see the references in the preview (and didn't yet know about {{reflist}}) so I didn't notice until after I saved it that I screwed up the reference. Mea culpa. Skysmurf (talk) 03:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Invitation for objective participation in discussion

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Adolf Galland

I've just deleted a post left here. I was mistaken. Sorry Bzuk. Dapi89 (talk) 08:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Harvnb

Hi Bill,

I started using [[#CITEREF|]] in the hope that people would stop giving references in the Bibliography section as {{Cite Book= etc. as some see fit.Dirk P Broer (talk) 01:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

• You should try to work with Firefox instead of Internet Explorer and you will see advantages/benefits when editing Wikipedia! This includes the Harvnb template and the reflist|2 or reflist|3 templates.Dirk P Broer (talk) 08:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
  • On my machine Harvnb|Green|1967|p=509. works {EXACTLY] just like #refGreen1967|Green 1967]], p. 509., only it is far easier to notate. It highlights JUST LIKE your example, and it is an official wiki citation template....(as is the method of very elaborate naming the sources using {{cite book|last name= etc. ), which some people think is handy, but I cannot imagine myself exactly why.Dirk P Broer (talk) 09:40, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Budanova Image

Hello, I was checking the article about Katya Budanova, while revisioning my book about Soviet Airwomen, and watching the picture of the article I remembered that when I was in Moscow, last May, to meet her two nieces, Irina and Ludmilla, I showed them that exact picture and they told me that the girl in the picture is NOT Katya Budanova, but another woman pilot probably Tamara Pamiathnyk. In fact, usually books do not show that image of her. Kind Regards from Rome --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 09:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

AWB

Hi Bill, out of curiosity I thought I'd run AWB on your user contributions as you seem to have a finger in a lot of aircraft pies. To my astonishment it returned 25000 articles in your list. I'll carry on with the clean up, but please let me know if it gets in your way or if I'm doing something wrong. Yours, Brutal Deluxe (talk) 14:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Invitation

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re: Flight for Freedom

Nice work on the expansion! Lugnuts (talk) 19:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Mick

Bill, see Talk:2010 Alaska Turbo Otter crash#Title. You'll note that Mick allows himself to operate by different rules than everyone else. Unless you are his intellectual "equal", as he defines it, he feals no need to treat anyone civilly. It's quite amazing that he's lasted long enough on WP to make over 20,000 edits, but he has. - BilCat (talk) 01:10, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Other than nuking Britain, no, I don't know of anything! His latest response there is par for the course with him. He acts like that when he knows he's losing the agruments. Just know that that is how he treats everyone who disagrees with him. He'll go to far someday. - BilCat (talk) 01:27, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I've also been keeping WP:ROPE in mind, but now I've got so much rope laying aournf the house that I trip every time I move! ;) WP:TEND also fits. Mostly, I'm just humoring him, and laughing at his hypocrisy in lecturing on civility, as he's the most uncivil user I've met on WP. - BilCat (talk) 01:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm pooring some cold water right now. I',m sure I'll be chastised for it telling the truth, in Mick's own dirty words! - BilCat (talk) 02:10, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

But as the Good Book asks, "If the infantry wear you out, what will you do when the cavalry come?" Cavalry he ain't! - BilCat (talk) 02:41, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

And still it goes on

Is there really nothing that can be done about this? General consensus of the community, as evidenced by many AfDs on aircraft crashes is that those involving substantial damage or hull losses of airliners are notable enough to justify an article in many cases. Yet MMN still insists on badgering every editor who !votes "keep" in any AfD which he has started. It's getting very tedious, and frankly, disruptive now. Mjroots (talk) 07:17, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes he is very disruptive and is now removing comments by other editors that he doesn't like. - Ahunt (talk) 12:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm OK with that one, but I've removed hi comment there. I was trying to make sure he didn't "cross-examine" my opinion, and he didn't! He still seems to think he's a lawayer in a court who has to skewer the oppostion at every turn to "win" his case. That style is genrally counter-productive in AFDs, but the sheer volume of his cross examinations, and their generally incivil tone, is disruptive. It's also a presumption that the closing admins are stupid, and thet they'l only make the "right" decision if he shows the fallacy of every argument made by the opposition. At this point that's very tedious for the rest of us. - BilCat (talk) 12:39, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

You didn't give an opinion to cross examine, Bil. I don't need to do anything with a vote that says 'I agree with everything and everybody', at least on that case, I think the closer will see that for what it is. But I'm glad you saw the error of trying to restore your disruptive post with the excuse it was not a valid refactor. Anyone would think we didn't have a resident supposed admin watching the discussion for such silliness. And Mjroots, you really need to be not giving the impression right now that you are canvassing support for an opinion which, no matter how often you assert is the community consenus view, is something that you absolutely refuse to put into a Guideline so that editors outside the regular circle, who are the ones creating and editing these articles, and turning up on mass to ensure that vote counting rules all, can cluefully examine and approve it against all policies, not just ILIKEIT, NOHARM, and INTERESTING. And I really don't want to have to start stalking you, but this is the second time I've seen you casually drop a link to that Afd somewhere asking for 'something to be done', while you also continue to do the very thing that I have brought an Rfc on you for, badmouthing me behind my back when nobody has ever supported you in your attempts to 'have some thing done about me' for allegedly disrupting your right to create articles that fail EVENT miserably, and which are never defended in an Afd beyond lazy hand waves and invalid votes. If an Rfc/U can do nothing about this disgraceful and completely non-admin like behaviour you continute to display, then I'm sure arbcom will. MickMacNee (talk) 13:02, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Please do take it to ArbCom. - Ahunt (talk) 13:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I will if it continues. But I suspect that you have misunderstood what 'it' actualy is. Arbcom will not be the least bit interested in sanctioning me so that you are free to make vague waves in Afd discussions completely unopposed. Neither will they be interested in doing the work of an ANI thread which you yourself seem extremely reluctant to kick off, presumably because ANI is pretty good at spotting a hatchet job when it sees one. What arbcom are very interested in is admins who display partizan views in dispute resolution, who only bother about enforcing rules or proposing sanctions in venues they are watching, when they conveniently prop up their side in a dispute, and generally involve themselves in conduct unbecoming, such as canvassing, false and unsubstantiated accusations, and the besmirching of others behind their back, instead of following DR. MickMacNee (talk) 13:45, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

UPS Airlines Flight 6 AfD

I've looked, and seen more of the same. As you are aware, I'm at RFC at the moment, so am wary of taking any action against MickMacNee as I don't want him to be able to turn round and yell "involved admin" back at me. I did consider posting a reciprocal RFC, but again I feel that if I did so, my motives would be questioned. If you feel that his actions warrent further action then you'll have to find another admin. Mjroots (talk) 05:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I've also made an administrative decision and closed the discussion at WT:AVIATION. Mjroots (talk) 06:03, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Il2 Suvorov controversy

Hi!

I removed the piece beacuse I think it goes against

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Questionable_sources and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Exceptional_claims_require_exceptional_sources

Suvorovs work is not about the actual aircraft, and neither has it been shown here to be supported by another source.

I agree my editing was clumsy, but I am not got that far in learning to edit, yet:)

BTW, I'll post this on the Talk page too.

Cheers

Carl —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikinegern (talk • contribs) 16:40, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Troll @ GD F-16

• Relax, I just reported him to an Admin, best to ignore his rhetoric for now. Best. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185♪♫™} 07:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for your help. Rr parker (talk) 20:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you

Thank you, very much, for your kind words at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Most Hated Family in America about my work on the article. Much appreciated. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 18:32, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

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My RFC

Re your comment about the "root cause of the issue" - were you referring to myself, or MickMacNee's participation in AfD discussions? Mjroots (talk) 09:56, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Mjroots (talk) 03:49, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Cite template use

A quick question on template usage—this might have been discussed at length elsewhere but bear with me—I've been wondering a few times why editors prefer manual citation like the change on Convair XFY, compared to using citation template? Cheers, Rayshade (talk) 23:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Aye, thanks for the detailed clarification on citations; while I'm familiar with scientific citations, I do acknowledge better understanding on the finer subtleties of styles and don't have a personal preference on citation style. Within a certain field it is logical to use consistent manner on citations, no doubt about that. Perhaps I should've digged a bit more to find out, but your summary did explain quite thoroughly that question. Thanks for taking the time to answer! Cheers, Rayshade (talk) 19:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Lytviak 31 July's kills

Hello, I can't find any references of the supposed kills of 31 july in Pennington, Cottam, Noogle, Sakhaida etc. books. I think that in this case the source is inaccurate. I think it is better to delete them. DO you agreed? Regards --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 04:32, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Image File:BAC TSR-2.jpg - incorrect licence

Hi Bzuk, I've deleted this image as it had an incorrect licence. The image was created c 1977 but the licence you used only applies to images created prior to 1957. If I have this wrong please drop me a note and I'll reverse it - Peripitus (Talk) 21:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Not sure what can be done about this. There are free images (some on Wikipedia) of at least some of the aircraft and this non-free image would fall foul of non-free criteria #1. Now if the Imperial War Museum would release the image under a free license.... - Peripitus (Talk) 11:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Warnings

Bill, once you've issued a wanring to a user, their removal of it is acknowlegement that they've read and understood it. Just report him for 3RR and that should be enough to garner him a short trem block. Cheers. - BilCat (talk) 14:24, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Hanger vs. hangar

yes... I meant hangar but in the book is written two times "hanger"... so I thought it was something of aviation that I did not know... regards... --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 21:12, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

D.520

Ok, thanks for the correction. I am actually undertrained in the Wikipedia editings. BTW, some nice phrases like 'thanks for your contributes', would have been welcomed, even and despite my bad english. I did some adds to your editing, D.520s had only provisions for 'bomb d'eclarance', not always held them aboard. The injection system was useful (like Allison and DB.601) so i added it (see Merlin problems, as example). D.520s were little, fashinating things, Germans should had them in the B.o.B. instead of Bf-109E(:=)) (short range, until the Bf.109E-7 came, but too late). D.520 and H-75 managed to cross Mediterranean Sea, differently than MB.151/152s, too short ranged as well. Yes, i rate a bit too simple the English language, and in the meanwhile, i rate orrendously complicated the reference system, that everytime drive me crazy (and i am pretty sure, for thousands users is the same). Well, i said all. Good dayStefanomencarelli (talk) 17:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

It's a Wonderful Life‎

The "Ugly Betty" story, at least the bare bones of it as mentioned in the Wonderful Life article briefly, actually sounds more like a Mark Twain story, about a young girl who drowns, and it turns out that had she lived, she would have had a miserable life. That was probably in The Mysterious Stranger, but it's been a long time since I've read it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

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