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Nomination of Établissement public à caractère administratif for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Établissement public à caractère administratif is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Fabrice Bardeche

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Categories nominated for deletion

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A Request for comment is taking place at Talk:Education of the deaf

There is a request for comment taking place at Talk:Education of the deaf. If anyone can, please add your input. Thanks. - Purplewowies (talk) 02:26, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Schools

It is interesting to me that the United States used to be the highest in education standards but now it isn't even part of the top 10. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.188.253.198 (talk) 15:36, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure that the USA was ever the highest in education standards, or at least not since the early colonial days (when it might have been the "highest" only because the girls had an equal opportunity to learn how to read, too, which wasn't common elsewhere). WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:50, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Schola Latina Universalis deletion discussion

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Schola Latina Universalis is a discussion regarding the possible deletion of Schola Latina Universalis, and on-line school teaching Contemporary Latin. The discussion has so far received only one comment (from me; I recommended deleting the article). Participants in this WikiProject may be interested to share their opinions on the matter. Cnilep (talk) 04:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

New article: Urofsky v. Gilmore

I've created the new article, Urofsky v. Gilmore. Suggestions for additional secondary sources would be appreciated, at the article's talk page, Talk:Urofsky v. Gilmore. — Cirt (talk) 05:32, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/WLCI College

This article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/WLCI College, has not been edited for some time and will soon be deleted. However, there is an article in the encyclopedia. Wigan and Leigh College, India which is pretty short. Is there any content in the soon-to-be-deleted draft which should be moved to the main article before the draft disappears? —Anne Delong (talk) 18:54, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

With no third party sources, I'm afraid not. czar · · 00:11, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Okay, it's gone. —Anne Delong (talk) 21:25, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/NTER

Hello educators! Here's an article that is up for review at the AfC. It may be of interest here. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:09, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

It's been decline now. —Anne Delong (talk) 21:30, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Teaching-Learning-Based-Optimization (TLBO) algorithm

Dear education experts: This old Afc draft is too complicated for me to review. Is this a notable topic? Or should I be asking at Wikiproject Psychology? —Anne Delong (talk) 22:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Gone now, thanks anyway. —Anne Delong (talk) 00:34, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ondo State University of Science and Technology

Hello education experts. Apparently state-run post-secondary education institutions are considered notable. This article is about to be deleted as a stale draft. Should it be rescued? —Anne Delong (talk) 00:54, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I can't ascertain its national reach, but I know the university's new (like last-two-years new) and that it should meet WP:NSCHOOL. The draft's a mess and it doesn't have a single ref to work with, so my recommendation would be to scrap it for now. czar  03:35, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - it's gone. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:36, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Looking for editors to help with Thunderbird School of Global Management

Hello, I'm currently working on behalf of the Thunderbird School of Global Management to update their Wikipedia article and bring it in line with Wikipedia's policies about sourcing, neutral language, etc. Due to my financial COI, I won't be making any edits to the page directly. Instead, I've posted a request over at Talk:Thunderbird with some details about why I think the article needs to be updated, and linking to a draft I've prepared and uploaded to my userspace. I'm wondering if there might be an editor or two from this WikiProject who would be able to help—if so, I'd sure appreciate it. Cheers! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 19:59, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 20:36, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Andragogy and Adult education

Dear education experts: While giving a last look to this abandoned Afc submission: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Adult Learning I was lead to the above two articles. Aren't they about the same subject? I have worked in the field of education all of my life, and never heard of the term "Andragogy" - is it really a common term for adult education? Would many find the article under that title? —Anne Delong (talk) 20:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/George Wolfe

Hello education experts! This old abandoned Afc submission is about to be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable educator, and should the article be kept? —Anne Delong (talk) 10:15, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Democratic Education entry

I have been spending some time looking at the Democratic Education entry, and have altered the introductory section and added some schools to the list of democratic schools and removed some others. I would now like to completely rewrite the history section. I have been asking the advice of friends, but would such a wholesale alteration be acceptable wiki practice? It also seems to me that the section on Governance refers only to Sudbury Schools and not to democratic schools in general. Would it be in order to remove this section altogether? I have more questions, but answers to these two would be a good start. Elbbirg (talk) 16:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

James Holmes as a notable UCR alumni discussion

A discussion is taking place at Talk:University of California, Riverside about whether to include James Eagan Holmes (the Aurora, CO, shooter) in the University_of_California,_Riverside#Alumni subsection. Interested Project members are invited to comment. --S. Rich (talk) 18:45, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

DIBELS test article

This article on the DIBELS test is a bit of a unencyclopaedic mess. It's been the subject of both drive-by attacks by anti-testing people and spin-doctoring by what appear to have been DIBELS spokespeople.

Could some knowledgeable editors take a look and see if they can improve this article? I gather this is an important educational test in the U.S., so we need a good article.

Thanks, --A. B. (talkcontribs) 01:14, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Criticisms of higher education accreditation discussion

A discussion about criticisms of higher education accreditation is now underway at Talk:Higher education accreditation in the United States. Interested Project members are invited to join in.--S. Rich (talk) 01:38, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Changing category "Alumni of X'

Someone is changing the more objective (but longer) "Alumni of X" into "X Alumni", I suppose because it is shorter and simpler. This suggests changes to other categories, not only in the education field but other areas where such a change is not objective. I would rather keep it here and not have to be concerned about the "other" changes later. The original naming style does not lend itself to pov interpretations as easily as the second (newer) one. Student7 (talk) 19:53, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand the misinterpretation. It's grammatically less favorable (compare "Women of America" and "America women"), but I don't see any change in meaning. "Students of This University" and "This University's students" are identical in meaning, regardless of whether we're talking about former, current or future students. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:19, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Sorry but I, too, don't understand the misinterpretation or the POV danger. "Alumni of X" does seem a bit clearer but I don't see a POV problem with "X Alumni."
Have you been able to engage the other editor(s) in discussion about these contested changes? ElKevbo (talk) 03:45, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
There are several reasons:
1) the category will alphabetize under the higher level category "alumni" instead of the lower level "school name".
2) Automatically avoids the odd sounding "Colorado School of Mining and Agriculture and Business Alumni." The first word is always "alumni", the modifier is the school name, however long and complex it may be.
3) My real reason (!) is to force objectivity into all categories through consistent usage. Here is an example: we now have the category "fraudster" a Brit term, which sounds slangy, and maybe even silly, in American. Instead of pov labeling, this clearly should be "People convicted of fraud." Someone who couldn't insert his pov into the article, manages to force it into a category! Using the longer version is not only more accurate and avoids labeling, and is therefore "automatically" npov.
Changes, IMO, should be discussed at this level. Student7 (talk) 23:34, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Okay, let's try this again. You assert that "Foo alumni" is less objective than "Alumni of Foo". Please tell me what is less objective about this formulation. Note: Don't tell me what's less objective about some utterly unrelated category. Tell me what's allegedly less objective abut this name. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Racial achievement gap in the United States

I am going to expand and revise upon the Wikipedia article “Racial achievement gap in the United States”. I will specifically be focusing on the implications of the achievement gap and the history of education reform and the institutions that attempt to narrow the educational achievement gap. This topic is important because even though education is a basic right to all citizens in the United States, throughout the years research and data has shown large differences in success rates between students within the educational system in the United States. As the United States’ economy has shifted away from manufacturing and towards a more knowledge-based economy, education has become an increasing more important determinate of economic success and prosperity. Therefore, it is important to expand upon this topic and provide more information on the implications and various tactics for narrowing this gap so that the United States can assess and revise the educational system to better serve all students. I plan to draw on many academic journals, especially educational and sociological. This includes works from Ruth Turley and Adam Gamoran, Wendy Schwartz, James Ainsworth, Abhijit V. Banerjee and Esther Duflo, Cynthia Prince, and the research from Society for Research on Educational Effectiveness (SREE). I would appreciate any comments or feedback.

Mmcolson (talk) 04:03, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd suggest that you include some of the work by Ronald Ferguson (economist) as well. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:32, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Lack of Definition

The Digital divide in the United States page thus far has lots of good statistical data on indicators for a digital divide in the United States so far. However, some characteristics described are not well defined if at all, such as the the term "Digital Society" and "Digital Literacy" (this topic especially applies to this WikiProject). I am aiming to develop definitions for these terms based from publications related to these topics and possibly developing other sections further with more recent data and constructing sentences to create paragraphs using the existing data to develop a way to read the article as an article and not just a list of bullet points. I will start looking at the following pages for helpful information and anyone here can help, please do. Thanks.

Internet in the United States

Publications on Internet and Technology - Pew Research Center

Mobile Access 2010 - Pew Research Center

Technology - whitehouse.gov

Internet use in the contemporary media environment - Human Communication Research 2001

Interaction between States and Citizens in the Age of the Internet: "e-Government" in the United States, Britain, and the European Union - Governance 2003

narrowing the digital divide in low-income, urban communities - New Directions for Adult and Continuing Education 2004

Is There an Information Literacy Skills Gap to Be Bridged? An Examination of Faculty Perceptions and Activities Relating to Information Literacy in the United States and England - College & Research Libraries 2010

The need for a digital rights management framework for the next generation of e-government services - Electronic Government, an International Journal 2004

E‐government and developing countries: an overview - International Review of Law, Computers & Technology 2004

Internet adoption and usage patterns are different: Implications for the digital divide - Information Economics Policy 2008

Internet Usage Statistic: How We Spend Out Time Online (INFOGRAPHIC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrpibgal (talkcontribs) 04:44, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

More on Racial Achievement Gap in the United States

Besides being rated poorly by Wikipedia standards while also missing substantial amounts of important information, the importance of the subject matter in the “Racial Achievement Gap in the United States” article merit its expansion. I believe racial inequality – specifically educational racial inequality – to be an important American social issue. For decades, White and Asian American students have systematically outperformed Black and Hispanic students. Why is this the case? What factors contribute to this gap? What interventions effectively close the gap? Should interventions even be pursued? The answers to these questions are not only important for understanding educational achievement gains. Specifically, the racial achievement gap ultimately affects what type of jobs students pursue, how much money they earn, and whether or not they become productive citizens contributing to the American and global economies. Analyzing and understanding the racial achievement gap allows administrators and policy makers to effectively evaluate public school systems. Martha Nussbaum’s (2011) Capabilities Approach includes “asking not just about the total or average well-being but about the opportunities available to each person”(Nussbaum 2011:18). Thus, one must question and investigate whether or not the lack of educational opportunities contribute to these achievement gaps and ultimately limit the students’ human capabilities. In order to provide the most relevant and neutral information on this topic, I will be specifically be using research conclusions from Rumberger (2010), No Longer Separate Not Yet Equal, Heckman and LaFontaine (2010), and a variety of other sociological sources. Any feedback or comments would be greatly appreciated!

Morell21 (talk) 15:49, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

One way to approach it is to consider the elements that lead to achievement, which are generally taken to be self-restraint (see the Marshmallow Test), resilience, motivation, and IQ. Poverty and home problems tend to harm the first items. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:36, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
You might also like to look at some of the sources discussed at http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/10/10/how-crack-cocaine-widened-the-black-white-education-gap WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:46, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

School Meals in the United States

One of the goals of the Education WikiProject is to identify articles dealing with education in need of improvement and improve them. An article that I have identified is the page on “School Meals in the United States.” This topic is important because providing meals in schools has far-reaching implications for educational success of students’ from lower socio-economic backgrounds, with the goal being to elevate educational achievement and eventually narrow existing income and social inequalities in the United States. The “School Meals in the United States” article has some good substance to that I can work with, but requires extensive expansion to more properly address the ways in which school meals are important for approaching issues of poverty and social inequality, as well as overall academic success. I plan on revising the existing sections of the article, as they provide some good information, but could include more detail. For instance, the lead section should be expanded to give insight as to why school meal programs are implemented and why it’s important that they are provided. I will add sections that delve more into the topic of children’s food security, and how schools are used to attack this problem. Further, I plan on going into detail on numerous school meal programs that are successful, as well as those that have failed. Additionally, I will provide a section on the perceived issues of these meal programs and expand on solutions that have been provided to alleviate these problems. The sources I will draw from include scholarly articles on meal programs, articles about specific meal programs, and books that detail food programs in the U.S. I ask for feedback from fellow users. Are there any comments on what I have planned? Are there any ways in which I can further improve my plans for revision? Moreover, are there any ways in which I can improve the organization of the article? Thank you, (Heidimkahle (talk) 21:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC))

Your goal of describing "why it's important" makes me concerned that you are planning an advocacy pieve rather than a dispassionate encyclopedia article.
I think you might want to include a brief mention of schools providing too few calories (due to worries about obesity, but leaving kids hungry), the few schools that banned lunch from home[1], the challenges of food allergies, and what happens when you make breakfast free. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Open education announcement/followup

A few months ago I announced a project I'm leading, Communicate OER (though that name had not yet been chosen), here.

As an update, we are now forging ahead; we will be launching our first in-person Wikipedia trainings (and welcome virtual participation) next week at the Open Education conference in Vancouver.

Since there was no response here, we decided to remove the pages from this WikiProject's pages, and set it up separate from the WikiProject. This is not intended as a final decision; obviously there will be strong overlap in people's interest with this WikiProject, and also with WP:OPENACCESS and perhaps others.

So I'd like to invite anybody here to join our team; it would be great to have more experienced Wikipedians in the early stages, of course anybody interested in and/or knowledgeable about education. Also, if you have thoughts about how the projects can work together, please let me know; perhaps on my own talk page for now, as too much meta-talk might be a little confusing to newbies in the early strages! -Pete (talk) 21:41, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I am Iw2es333 and I am planning to start a stub on food poisoning. I am particularily interested in speaking of food adulteration, fertilization forms,and foodborne pathogens like Salmonella. I still have to put my stub for approval, but I hope that many of you can contribute. Thank you!

Here is what the stub would look like. I still have to put in more references:

STUB

Death in the Pot: The Impact of Food Poisoning on History is a book published in New York in 2007 by Prometheus Books. The book is written by Morton Satin, a microbiologist who worked in the food industry.

The book offers a historical lens through which to view food poisoning. It explains the early forms of food preservation, and diet; and it alludes to historical records on the issues that arose from lack of sanitation, from globalization, and from human behavior throughout history.

Contents:

Introduction

Part I. The Ancient World

· Chapter 1: The Hebrews and Egyptians (4000 BCE-100CE)

· Chapter 2: The Greeks and Romans 1200 BCE-500CE

Part II. The Middle Ages

· Chapter 3: The Middle Ages (500-1500CE)

Part III. Early Modern Times

· Chapter 4: The Renaissance and the Enlightenment (1300-1750 CE)

Part IV. The Modern Era

· Chapter 5: The Industrial Revolution (1750-1900 CE)

· Chapter 6: Modern Times (1900 CE-Present Day)

The chapter initiates discourse on the developing food production industry in the 12th century and how it facilitated the growth of mass production. Mass production caused food prices to decline, thus enabling a growing commercial economy. (cite).

Governments throughout history have enacted laws to protect consumers from fraudulent food sellers. One way that merchants in tricked consumers in the middle ages was by putting chalk or white ash into white flour. (cite). Chalk and white ash could easily blend in with white flour and become invisible to the naked eye. This was considered food adulteration. (cite Wikipedia or dictionary for term).

Best, Iw2es333 (talk) 01:02, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Education in Haiti

I am interested in revising the entry “Education in Haiti.” It is clearly evident that the “Education in Haiti” article exemplifies a poor quality article by the standards set out by Wikipedia. Many sections of the article make very few references and make many claims without supportive citations. I wish to add more content to the page. With an increase in the content on the page, the quality of the article will improve dramatically. I feel as if many aspects of the topic are missing such as the privatization of education, access and equity, funding, recent reforms and effects of the 2010 Earthquake on education, etc.

I will be exploring suitable references by exploring these journals: The Journal of Comparative Education, The Journal of Negro History, The Caribbean Quarterly, and Comparative Education Review. I will also explore articles from the World Bank, as well as official government documentation about education from the Haitian Government’s Ministry of Education.

I would appreciate any feedback that will help me on my quest to revise this entry. Any suggestions on possible difficulties or certain references to explore, or general comments about possible sections that should be included in the revised entry would be greatly appreciated.

Kdumelle13 (talk) 13:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

That article definitely needs improvement. There are articles on the French and Portuguese Wikipedias about this subject. (The links are on the side of the page; see fr:Système éducatif d'Haïti for the French page.) Neither are very good, but it is possible that you would find some information there. Good luck, WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:03, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the help! Kdumelle13 (talk) 17:53, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Merge proposal of CATESOL

Hello everyone, I have proposed a merge of CATESOL into Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages if anyone is interested in commenting. The discussion is over at Talk:Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages. Thanks — Mr. Stradivarius on tour (have a chat) 00:50, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Merging the articles Applied behavior analysis and Behavior modification

Hi,
I wanted input back on merging the articles ABA and Behavior mod., as the former is a new term for the latter.
See here: Talk:Applied_behavior_analysis#Merging_the_articles_Applied_behavior_analysis_and_Behavior_modification.
Thanks!
ATC . Talk 04:49, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I found a journal explaining the controversy over the terms. See here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2223172/. It states as follows: "A New Science? [section] Perhaps there is a tendency to draw pejorative contrasts between PBS and ABA in order to bolster claims about the status of PBS as a new and distinct science or discipline (e.g., Bambara et al., 1994; E. Carr, 1997; E. Carr et al., 2002; Knoster et al., 2003; Sisson, 1992). There may be disagreement among PBS leaders on this point. On the one hand, for example, Horner (2000) stated that 'Positive behavior support is not a new approach. … [It is] the application of behavior analysis to the social problems created by such behaviors as self-injury' (p. 97). He further stated, 'There is no difference in theory or science between positive behavior support and behavior modification. These are the same approach with different names. If any difference exists, it is in the acceptance [by PBS] of much larger outcomes and the need to deliver the global technology that will deliver these outcomes' (p. 99). Other writers have referred to PBS as an 'extension' of applied behavior analysis (e.g., Turnbull et al., 2002, p. 377)." ATC . Talk 23:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Next Generation Science Standards

I think it is important to create and fill an article for the Next Generation Science Standards. Probable sources include here and here. —Goodtimber (walk/talk) 05:49, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea, but the first link might not count as a reliable source and the second source is a primary source, so isn't suitable to prove the notability of the subject. Are you aware of any secondary sources that have been published about it (for example in newspapers, books, or academic journals)? Best — Mr. Stradivarius on tour ♪ talk ♪ 06:07, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
The article has begun. Please check it out if you have the time. —Goodtimber (walk/talk) 23:35, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Institute of Modern Languages (Queensland)

I have just proposed that the new article Institute of Modern Languages (Queensland) be merged with the main article University of Queensland. If you are interested, I would be very grateful if you could comment on the merge proposal over at Talk:University of Queensland. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 15:09, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Potential additions to the Emotional labor article

In hopes of expanding the depth and legitimacy of Wikipedia, I would like to further develop the article entitled “Emotional Labor.” I would like to add research-based conclusions from sociological research journals, such as work completed by Arlie Hochschild and R. Leidner. Along with adding research-based conclusions, I would also like to connect these theoretical concepts to specific examples of emotional labor with the current labor market. Besides having mediocre ratings based on Wikipedia standards while also missing substantial amounts of important information, the importance of the article’s subject matter merits its expansion. Most people hope to be an effective and successful member of the workforce. However, being an effective member of the workforce does not only require having the necessary individual qualifications. Success also requires understanding how the workforce operates as an institution. The concept of emotional labor is a theoretical concept first theorized by Arlie Hochschild that brings a specific and important understanding of the workforce to light. Specifically, as the American economy shifts from a manufacturing to a service economy, control of one’s emotions based on companies’ standards have become so important that emotions have become a commodity in and of themselves. Essentially, I think understanding how emotional labor works ultimately leads to a better understanding of the labor force more generally. I would greatly appreciate any feedback or suggestions on any potentially useful resources.

Morell21 (talk) 19:20, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Proposal to create new article: School Feeding in Low-Income Countries

I have recently joined the Education Wikiproject because its aims to develop and standardize content related to education. I plan to write a new entry entitled "School Feeding in Low-Income Countries," as I have identified the need for a comprehensive overview of school feeding in developing nations. There are existing pages on "School Meals in the United States," but my proposed article is different because it would focus on the programs that are set up in low-income countries by international organizations and NGOs for all children in a country or area, as opposed to national governments that set up similar programs with a specific socio-economic class requirement. Such low-income country school feeding programs are crucial to improving global education levels, as they provide incentives for families to send their children to school, especially girls. Some existing entries mention the general concept of school feeding in low-income countries, but do not offer a comprehensive overview of what this type of school feeding is and how it can positively impact the education status (and therefore development) of both individuals and a country as a whole. I plan to examine what school feeding is, what organizations are involved with it, what benefits, drawbacks, and challenges exists, and provide an overview of some selected countries’ school feeding programs. There is a great deal of scholarly research that has been done on school feeding in recent years, and I feel that I can provide many of the legitimate, research-backed approaches to school feeding and educational achievement in low-income countries. I would like to ask for feedback from fellow Wikipedia users and Wikiproject members. Do you think that such an article would be useful, and if so, are there any ways that you think I can improve my plan to create a new entry? Thank you so much! Laurenpedia (talk) 18:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Proposed article on female education in south Sudan

I am currently a student at Rice University in the program for Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities. I am seeking to create a new article discussing female education in south Sudan. The only information available at the present on Wikipedia are small snippets from several different pages related to Sudan, but there is no focus on the gender disparity in education. This issue has gained a good deal of international attention from the United Nations and NGOs in recent years, and it would be beneficial to have a page dedicated to this topic, so that interested parties could access all relevant information in a single place. If there is anyone who is interested in this issue and would like to provide feedback, please contact me through my talk page.

ChloeCBlaskiewicz (talk) 13:22, 7 March 2013 (UTC)ChloeCBlaskiewicz

Categories that need creating

As a side-effect of something else I was doing, I found myself with a list of ~5000 categories to which articles had been assigned but the categories did not exist, it's probably about 15% of the total red-link categories. It was easy enough to apply a few crude filters to them to split out a few hundred relevant to this Project, many of them alumni and faculty ones. Some of them need bringing in line with Wikipedia standard formats, some of them are probably too detailed, some might need some Project discussion about what standard format should be applied - but they could all do with eyeballs from several people, particularly ones who know more about US colleges than I do!!! The list is at User:Le_Deluge/categories-education - feel free to hack it about how you want, it was just thrown together for convenience. Le Deluge (talk) 23:49, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Learning Standards

While looking for a general history and evolution of learning standards, and a treatment of their purposes within society, I found that the Wikipedia page on the same Learning Standards is sparse and out-of-date. I'll be jumping in to make revisions and edits over the next few weeks & plan to have a solid update in place by April 2012... if you have questions or are also interested to help out, please get in touch via my talk page.

--Daveplml (talk) 14:06, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Help with Common Core State Standards Initiative

Hi, I'm looking for help with a request for the Common Core State Standards Initiative article and this WikiProject was listed on the article's talk page. I've written a replacement for the Criticism section of the article and the request on the talk page explains the issues with the current section. So far this has been reviewed and approved by one editor, however I'd like another editor to review the draft before it's moved into the article. I am also looking for someone to make the actual edit: I have used an source published by my employer, The Heritage Foundation, so I would prefer not to make the edit myself. Thanks! Thurmant (talk) 19:52, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Georges Bizet

Why is Georges Bizet listed under WP:EDU? (diff) I don't see any obvious connection. czar · · 03:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

The editor responded that he doesn't remember why. Removing for now, feel free to revert if need be czar · · 20:10, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Article alerts

Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Education#Article_Alerts for all alerts relating to this project. XOttawahitech (talk) 13:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Horrible Histories

Hi. We're having a discussion on the fate of Horrible Histories TV show at: Horrible Histories (2009 TV series)#Moving on. As a relevant Wikiproject, we would greatly appreciate it if you would voice your opinion on the talk page, or to have a crack at editing and improving it. Thankyou for your time. :)--Coin945 (talk) 13:22, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Autism and other Developmental Disorders

Hello Friends,

I am a resident of India. I am starting this topic because all around me I see children with various developmental disorders like ADHD, Dyslexia, and other disorders on the autism spectrum.

I have read many articles and write ups about the disorder - well because someone close to me has a similar problem - and one fact that stands out is that most of the children - I would say about 70% of the cases - although this is a guesstimate - have been in situations where the oxygen supply to the brain was cut off for a period - however brief. This may have happened either before, during or after birth.

While it is a good thing that efforts are being made the world over to help such children, I think it is equally important - if not more - to analyze the situations and see if they can be prevented. Let me give you a couple of examples:

Example 1:

A child has an attack of bronchitis. The parents try all sorts of home remedies and put off taking the child to the doctor - for whatever reason. The child's breathing becomes progressively labored until such time that it becomes difficult for him to take in even a single breath comfortably. As you can see this situation is totally avoidable. As the child labors to breathe, the oxygen supply to the brain becomes dangerously low.

Example 2: A would be mother's water bag bursts. The family delay going to the hospital. Even if she is rushed to the hospital, the doctor is not at hand to perform the delivery or there is an administrative delay in admitting her. Whatever the reason, although the situation does not seem urgent, it is very possible that the child is not getting sufficient oxygen supply in the womb which could be dangerous.

Such situations can easily be avoided if the mother herself and those around her are alert and aware of the problem. Even if you are not fully aware, it is always a good idea to err on the side of caution rather than regret not having taken action. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mykidsspl (talkcontribs) 04:06, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

This page is for discussing issues related to the project (mainly articles on education). If it's all right, I'll remove this thread as off-topic. czar · · 04:31, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Charter schools etc

I had to rejig Charter schools mainly by moving and spliting and creating Charter schools in the United States. It was a real mess. Can I get the experts here to take over? It is not my area of expertise. While we are at it Alternative education starts with a long list of issues in a huge banner template. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 05:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Most of the top-level edu articles are messes in need of overhaul—what are you looking for with regard to the charter school article? Also, I'm not sure the move was necessary, as we still need an article there (with summary-style links to subsections, if necessary). If its perspective was too narrow, a {{globalize}} tag would have been a fine start. czar · · 00:17, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Missing topics page

I have updated Missing topics about Education - Skysmith (talk) 10:07, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

help with CCC page

Hi -- There's a bit of an issue with conflict of interest editing happening on the Copyright Clearance Center page. I've laid it out at Talk:Copyright Clearance Center, and would welcome some additional input from experienced WP editors. Thanks. --Lquilter (talk) 00:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Parental involvement in education

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/family/2013/09/ptas_and_bake_sales_why_volunteering_at_your_kid_s_school_does_not_make.html

I thought this was interesting about the different types of parental involvement in education in different parts of the world (e.g., school fundraisers vs reading to children). But we don't seem to have any articles about Parental involvement in education. Can you think of a good article for information like this? WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Planning WikiProject Open

Everyone: several of us have been talking about starting Wikipedia:WikiProject Open, which would support the improvement of topics like open educational resources, open access, and free/open source software. Please join us this Thursday for a planning discussion! Or add your ideas to the page or talk page. -Pete (talk) 18:21, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Resegregation of U.S. Schools

I am a student at Rice University and would like to create a new Wikipedia entry entitled “Resegregation of U.S. Schools.” This would be an educational assignment for my Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities course. As participants in this WikiProject, do you believe that this article would be an appropriate contribution to the Education WikiProject?

This article will cite the trends in school desegregation/resegregation since the Supreme Court ruling in Brown v. Board of Education. It will then document the various potential causes of these trends including residential segregation, school choice policies, and court rulings that have reversed previous desegregation efforts. The article will then cite studies on the effects of segregated schools, including its effects on educational attainment and social wellbeing. Finally, the article will document the various policies proposed for reversing this trend (such as greater regulation of charter schools).

My sources for this Wikipedia will include articles from scholarly journals such as Education and Urban Society, the American Sociological Review, and the Journal of Policy Analysis and Management.

Any comments or feedback on this project would be greatly appreciated! Sallyhc42 (talk) 20:52, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

The article would need to document something known to exist, but not as a synthesis of multiple sources to "prove" resegregation. The title, as proposed, may cause issues listed at WP:POVTITLE, too. I would recommend starting by posting some reliable and neutral secondary sources that contend that US school resegregation is the common term from both proponents and detractors for this phenomenon. czar  04:18, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Education and Poverty Reduction

Hey I'm Ben, a Rice University student. I'm looking to add a section on the Poverty reduction page about education's effect on poverty, and then expand this section into a new page on education and poverty reduction. I know this fits a little better with a developing world WikiProject, but since there's not a lot of activity in any of them I wanted to see if I could get some feedback here. My main concern is whether this topic is too broad to be starting an article on. I don't think I'll be able to do justice to every aspect, but my thought is that the relationship between education and poverty alleviation is at least important enough to get its own page, and this way I'll be able to create a starting point for others to jump off of. In particular I'm looking for advice on a title; tentatively my plan was to title it "Education’s Role in Poverty Reduction in Developing Countries" but I'm still up in the air on it. Any guidance or thoughts on whether this is worth pursuing would be greatly appreciated! --Bwl5 (talk) 23:09, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to Wikipedia, Ben. The choice of venue is fine—WikiProjects are like little clubs, most are inactive and editors usually work independently and, if anything, coordinate on the Project pages. I'm assuming this is in conjunction with the class assignment (which gives WikiProjects more credit than they deserve, really). I can help you flesh this out. Do you have a little outline for what you'd like to do (even just the major sections)? Try using colons and pound symbols to make a list, if it helps. Your proposed title wouldn't work with WP:TITLE (somewhat too essay-like). I'd suggest "Education and poverty", though the scope may be much wider than is useful for your purposes. Do you need to finish the proposed article, or just get it started? Let's talk about an outline and maybe I'll be able to seed some content for you. For now, building in the poverty reduction article should be a good exercise (though the article is a total mess, so you may get more out of editing more populated articles). Again, welcome. czar  00:54, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Proposal to add LGBT section to achievement gap article

I am currently enrolled in a class on Poverty, Justice, and Human capabilities, and as an assignment would like to add an LGBT section to the Achievement gap in the United States article, as well as reorganize the article. To see my full proposal, please see this article's talk page. However, there are some things relevant to this project. The article has an extensive racial achievement gap section. I would like to reduce this section to an intro and instead provide a link to the article Racial achievement gap in the United States. However, as this parent article currently has some issues, it would need to be cleaned up and rewritten before eliminating the good information in the first article.

I will also be adding a section on the LGBT achievement gap in education. LGBT issues are big in the U.S. right now, and while adult issues are well-represented (marriage laws, violence, etc.), issues regarding youth are not really found on Wikipedia. If anyone has any input, please let me know.

Santatijay (talk) 00:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I responded on the article's talk page. Lots of good ideas, and the article is truly hurting for some TLC, such that just about anything would be an improvement. czar  01:29, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Edu Wiki in Cardiff 1/2 November 2013

Dear Wiki Project Education.

We still have some places at the 2013 EduWiki conference in Cardiff, Wales.

The conference schedule is almost finalised

Wikimedia UK would be delighted to welcome our educationists to Wales!

Jonathan Cardy (WMUK) (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Women's Studies Librarian, University of Wisconsin Systwem

This article is not about a particular person, but about a position in a university. Is this an appropriate subject for an article? —Anne Delong (talk) 14:24, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't think this subject meets the GNG based on the sourcing, but its essentials could work in summary-style expansions of the UW library or their women's studies dept (if notable). czar  15:04, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
At first glance, it appears well referenced. My inclination would be to consider transforming it into an article about the office or entity the person heads up. For instance, maybe a good article title would be University of Wisconsin System Task Force on Women’s Studies. (There might be a better title, I have not looked into this deeply -- but hopefully that conveys the idea!) -Pete (talk) 22:07, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I have added a comment about this to the top of the article. —Anne Delong (talk) 18:18, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Joseph Lancaster Bio

Perhaps of note: Regarding the Wikipedia reference "However, despite initial successes, Lancasterian schools were criticized". Of Lancaster and his methods, DeWitt Clinton, founder of the New York Free School Society and later governor, said ". . . when I contemplate the habits of order which it forms, the spirit of emulation which it excites . . . when I behold the celerity in instruction and economy of expense [ ] . . . marching with unexcelled rapidity [ ] perfect discipline . . . [ ] I recognize in Lancaster the benefactor of the human race". (Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). : Baker and Scribner, The Life and Writings of DeWitt Clinton, 1849) — Preceding unsigned comment added by C'villeBill (talkcontribs) 16:19, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Most of the article is unsourced, so have at it. And as "criticized" as they may have been, they became the model for our standardized education... czar  16:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Requested Articles

Hi, Requested Articles is encouraging WikiProjects to have a look at their relevant section at RA; and either remove requests that won't be made, or leaving (preferably adding sources as well) the ones which may be created. For this WikiProject, that is here. Thanks, Matty.007 19:28, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Modifications to the Remedial Education page

Hello - My name is Sarah Allin, and I have been working on higher education policy on the state level for several years. Over the next few weeks, I was hoping to make the remedial education page more robust and provide more specifics on:

  1. what remedial courses are typically taught,
  2. persistence/graduation rates of remedial students,
  3. the differences between remedial education at community colleges and universities,
  4. philanthropic (and federal) efforts to strengthen remedial education, and
  5. background on the portion of students needing remedial support at colleges/universities.

I'm mindful that these are several large areas to begin to focus on, and I wanted to start a discussion to make sure I make these revisions with other contributors in mind. I would use outside, validated sources for each, and would welcome edits or concerns with the information I include. Any feedback before I start on how to approach larger improvement of the page is welcome. This is one of my first times editing a wikipedia page, but it is also an area in which I've done a good deal of research and writing.

Many thanks! Sarah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allincharlie (talkcontribs) 16:41, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, Sarah. Drop a note if you have any questions. I'd recommend first cleaning up the article, and then adding in small bits. The outside, validated sources should be almost always secondary sources. Remedial education is more of an overview topic, so it's worth staying at an overview level. A comparison between community colleges and universities shouldn't be very long when the topic's scope includes all other forms of remedial education around the world (it would be undue weight to have more than a short paragraph). Again, welcome, and let me know if I can help. Also is this project in conjunction with a class? czar  21:08, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi Sarah, this is not a topic I know much about, but I will gladly take a look at the article and offer what feedback I can as an experienced Wikipedian. Thanks for the note. (Also, I've edited your comment above to reflect what I'm pretty sure was your intended formatting -- line breaks can be a little irritating here, you need to use

two line breaks in order for a single line break to take effect on the page.) -Pete (talk) 21:15, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you both very much! I will certainly keep in mind that overview is important given the international nature of the article. Perhaps I could start with one area, and you all could let me know if I get too in depth (though, I will try not to). My desire to contribute is fueled by a class (Media, Politics and Power in the Digital Age) taught by Nicco Mele at the Kennedy School of Government. However, I've done a large amount of work to increase knowledge about remedial education and some of the barriers students in those courses might encounter when I lived in Mississippi.
Thank you again. Let me know if you have any more questions!Allincharlie (talk) 23:56, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Sounds good. I'll keep my eyes peeled for your edits, but ping me if you have questions. I asked re: the class since WP has a program designed for WP class assignments, so if others from your class are doing similar WP work, please pass this along to your prof so we can adequately support y'all. czar  00:42, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi again, I wanted to let you all know that I've started working on some edits to the 'Remediation in the US' section in my sandbox. I figured this might be best since it is my first time editing. If you have a moment, will you take a peak at my first two paragraphs and see if you have any thoughts? Many thanks! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Allincharlie/sandbox Allincharlie (talk) 21:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
@Allincharlie: Are you planning to spin this out into its own article or just expand the U.S. section? (That would define the breadth of scope for either.) Also, can we pick up this conversation on the article's talk page (Talk:Remedial education) where article changes are usually discussed? czar  14:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
In theory I'd love to draft a US remediation article since there is so much specific to the country, and there is lots of work being done in this academic area. Do you think that would be advisable? I've asked a similar question on the talk page of the remediation article with no response. Allincharlie (talk) 18:03, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Update: I'm working on a distinct article on remedial education in the United States under my username here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Allincharlie/Remedial_Education_in_the_United_States I would welcome feedback and thoughts on the piece as I develop it. Many thanks! Allincharlie (talk) 12:55, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Kodály Method

There seem to be a lot of oddly formated references in the article. To someone with knowledge in wikipedia it shouldn't be too difficult to straighten things out. THKS. --99.11.160.111 (talk) 06:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean. Parenthetical inline (academic) refs are okay. The bare URLs aren't formatted at the bottom, but not urgent since the citations are written out adjacently. czar  13:43, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Notification: Featured Article Review for Stephen Hawking

There are some serious deficiencies which several users have identified in the Stephen Hawking article which was promoted to FA status earlier this year after an FAC that wasn't rigorous. Please feel free to comment and contribute to the debate at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Stephen Hawking/archive1 on whether this article should be delisted and what work needs to be done.--ColonelHenry (talk) 17:04, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Please help me to correct the information provided about our school in Singapore

Dear Wiki-Education-Team,

I am working for the German European School Singapore and would like to ask for advice on how to make sure that the information provided about our school om Wikipedia is correct. We know our school and see that important information is missing in the GESS article and some information is not true and I would like to ensure that this is corrected. As you are in charge of Singapore related information, I wanted to raise your attention to the following mistakes in the article:

1. It states that we offer Portuguese classes. That is not true. We offer French, Spanish, German, English and Mandarin. 2. It states that the type of our school is International Baccalaureate. However, our school is also offering the German National Curriculum (more than half of our students are German), and even though we are an IB World school, our true category is International School (as this takes into consideration the IB and the German Section). 3. The article mentions the Dutch Mother Tongue Programme. We also offer a Danish Mother Tongue Programme and got complaints from parents about this not being explained on Wikipedia (as only partial information is shown there). 4. Andre Beinert is listed as the Vice Principal, however, this is not true. We have two Vice Principals, Andre Beinert and Iain Fish.

Thank you very much for letting me know how to proceed or assisting me with the corrections.

Best regards,

Johanna — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johannakb (talkcontribs) 08:24, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, Johanna. I recommend what Jacklee said in your other thread: to start by gathering reliable sources. The article is mostly unreferenced right now, but I could help you if you provided some of those reliable sources (newspaper and magazine articles, non-self-published stuff like personal websites—see the link for more details). If you want to edit it yourself, go for it, but keep in mind the COI guidelines and that the changes should be neutral in point of view. For a quick primer, see five pillars and Help:Getting started for the basics or leave me a note if I can help. czar  03:21, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Dear Johanna. Sorry for the late response. I've just found your comments and I began making changes to the German European School Singapore article. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:41, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Locating pro-school uniform studies

These news articles talk about these pro-school uniform studies, but I want to know where to actually find them.

These talk about the Virginia Draa study, mentioned in this ERIC page: here.

This talks about another one. GreatSchools has an article here

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 21:20, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

The first three articles you mention, as well as the GreatSchools one, don't mention any pro-school uniform studies, aside from the Draa's "study", that you already provide a link to (why you ask for people to find it, I cannot even begin to understand).
It is not a peer reviewed article. It is a dissertation.
It is not a reliable source. (also the third article is, essentially, a lie. She was not a professor, or even a Ph.D, at the time she made did the dissertation)
The University of Nevada article, thankfully, didn't talk about Draa. It did talk about two studies, but both are useless. The first one looks at the perception of the students, concerning the policy (which says nothing about it's efficacy) and the other one looked at the discipline and school police records of the one school, before and after they implemented the policy. This has the same problem that as with the Long Beach records you mentioned in school uniform: Correlation is not causation. There is nothing that indicates that the uniforms are the cause of the positive outcomes, just because one came after the other.
Basically, you have yet to find a positive study, so you'll have to keep looking.
Good luck.--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 21:21, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. What happened is that I didn't see the full text link on the ERiC page. It would be nice to see if there are sources that address any flaws in the Draa study (which got coverage in local news). I'll look at archives on the RS noticeboard, but I remembered seeing that usually a master's degree thesis or below is usually not an RS though in some fields it can be one. Education wouldn't be one of those fields. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:25, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
By the way the noticeboard post [[2]] discusses whether PhD theses are RSes. One editor states that a PhD thesis is okay to cite for an unambiguous fact but for disputed things it may be best not to do so.
As I said: dissertations are not reliable sources ...and, unsurprisingly, the Reliable sources Noticeboard confirms this.--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 14:18, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
There have been several discussions of this topic at that noticeboard and the consensus is rarely as unanimous as you seem to claim. In general, the answer has been (as it usually is) "it depends on the specifics." WhisperToMe is correct that many of us would be hard pressed to consider a Master's thesis a high-quality source but of course that would depend on the specifics. ElKevbo (talk) 18:01, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Well yes. Technically a dissertation can be accepted as a RS ...if it can be shown to be reliable. Generally requiring other sources to back it up. But you start with an assumption of unreliability, until/unless proven otherwise. I was merely stating how things are, in a more short and simple manner.--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 16:49, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
It might be good to examine the study itself and see what it actually states. News organizations may distort what the study really says. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:06, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Editors are encouraged not to rely on their own judgements of academic works, but to find relöiable secondary sources, which interpret the work ...but what is needed here, is secondary sources that verify its reliability. In no such sources can be found, then its content is of no importance, as it's not acceptable, either way.--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 16:49, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
In several fields "normal" RSes such as newspapers can get the conclusions of a scientific study wrong or present it in an inaccurate way, so some fields have adopted special ways of dealing with it. AFAIK aviation editors like using actual final report documents in articles about plane crashes when writing information about the final reports. Sometimes specialist sources/magazines are preferred if secondary sources are needed for scientific conclusions. The RS noticeboard should hopefully bear fruit. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:49, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Zarlan, you seem to be quite confused. Doctoral dissertations are - except in cases of malfeasance or incompetence - peer reviewed. That is precisely what the dissertation committee does. In fact, it's likely that many dissertations receive much more scrutiny than many peer reviewed articles given the time and effort that many committee members spend on a dissertation compared to the amount of time reviewers typically spend on an article. It's also entirely possible that the author was a member of the faculty while completing her doctorate so while it would be incorrect to label her a "Professor" in the sense of "(tenured Full) Professor" it would be perfectly appropriate to use the title in a slightly less formal sense. ElKevbo (talk) 18:06, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
No. Doctoral dissertations are not subjected to peer-review.
I never said that they are not subject to scrutiny (though the amount and quality of the scrutiny, and how qualified the people who scrutinize are, varies wildly) ...but "scrutiny" is not the same thing as "peer-review". If it were, I could claim to have written countless peer-reviews papers. Ever school paper I've ever written, for example (I know the level is different, but...)--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 16:49, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Exactly what do you think happens in a dissertation defense (and everything leading up to it) and what do you think happens when you submit an article for publication in a journal? They're substantively the same process but in nearly every case the dissertation process is much more in-depth with many more rounds of consultation, review, and revision. There is nothing magical or special about peer-review just because it occurs in the context of a journal or conference paper/presentation; there are other venues in which rigorous peer review is also conducted. ElKevbo (talk) 18:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Your arguments are all about how dissertation defence is just as rigorous, but that fails to address the issue: It is not peer-review. Peer-review is the name of a specific process. Dissertation defence is not peer-review. Furthermore, your claims that it is as rigorous, or more, than peer-review does not address all the issues I pointed out ...and, either way, I'd like to see some evidence for what you've claimed about it. Not just evidence for one or two schools, but evidence that the procedures are universal.--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 14:06, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
ElKevbo is of course absolutely right here. A dissertation defense is actually more rigorous than a typical journal's peer review because not only is i) the dissertation looked over by experts in the field (in this case, the dissertation committee - typically at least three faculty members) and ii) the work not considered 'complete' until requested revisions are complete (as with peer-review), but the author has to verbally defend their work and answer questions from the committee (more than peer-review). Freeranging intellect (talk) 04:38, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Looked over by "experts in the field"? Could you back that up? I seriously doubt that every school that teaches doctorates, has experts in all possible fields. Also, those evaluating are known to the student, and the student is known to the evaluators. This opens things up for untold biases. As to the verbal defence... That could be seen as a point against the reliability of dissertations (due to it being swayed by rhetoric, emotion and charisma).--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 14:06, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
It's clear that you're not very familiar with the PhD system. Every school does not need to have experts in "all" possible fields, just experts in the area of the PhD. For example, if someone was doing a PhD in French literature, they would have a committee of experts on French literature. If the school doesn't have experts in "all" possible fields, it does not matter, because an expert is not needed on (say) microbiology. This is pretty basic and obvious. And, there are many schools where you could not do a PhD on certain topics. For example, you could not do a PhD on 18th century French literature in schools without expert faculty in this area. A PhD student doesn't just rock up, do their dissertation and THEN look for a committee of experts - they come to the school and right from the beginning have a supervisor and committee who are experts in the area of their research. Freeranging intellect (talk) 16:24, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
"It's clear that you're not very familiar with the PhD system."
Please enlighten me, then.
"Every school does not need to have experts in "all" possible fields, just experts in the area of the PhD."
A doctorate dissertation in, for example, psychology may be scrutinized by an expert in psychology, but that doesn't mean that the dissertation is scrutinized by an expert *in the topic of the dissertation*. Psychology is not a monolith. Nor is sociology, physics or any other academic field.
You wouldn't go to a gynaecologist to cure an ear infection, nor to an endocrinologist to fix a broken leg. Yet all of those are medical doctors. Experts in the field of medicine. (well they're MDs rather than PhDs, but that doesn't effect my argument/analogy, in any way)
Just because someone is an expert in a certain field, doesn't mean that they are an expert of every part of that field.--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 21:57, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
There is also a distinction between method and content. It's often the case that there is no one at the university that is an expert in both the content and method of the dissertation but it would be a rare case where a student is allowed to pursue a topic where there aren't experts in each of those topics on the committee. In most U.S. universities there is also a requirement that (at least) one member of the committee be an "outside" member that is not from the student's discipline and this often opens the door to recruiting expertise outside the university especially if that expertise is in short supply at the university. Topic selection and committee recruitment can be somewhat complicated as it requires balancing all of these things and much more.
Zarlan, I hope that you don't think this is arrogance or condescension but it truly sounds like you're out of your depth on this particular topic. Please consider learning more about this topic before pursuing this discussion much further. There seem to be some fundamental issues that you don't seem to know or understand and that makes it difficult to hold a meaningful discussion or for you to make substantive contributions. ElKevbo (talk) 18:57, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
"Zarlan, I hope that you don't think this is arrogance or condescension but it truly sounds like you're out of your depth on this particular topic."
No worries. I don't like to assume arrogance or condescension. I would like to point out, however, that you are in no position to claim a lack of arrogance in yourself. That is not something that the person who is/isn't arrogant, can reliably know of themselves. To assume that you are capable of such a feat of self-knowledge is, in itself, arrogant. You generally cannot be arrogant, and simultaneously be aware of that arrogance.
"There seem to be some fundamental issues that you don't seem to know or understand and that makes it difficult to hold a meaningful discussion or for you to make substantive contributions."
Well then you need to explain those issues, don't you? All discussions are based on each side having to explain things to each other. This may be frustrating, but... if you can't, then I fail to understand how you can be much of a contributor to Wikipedia, as the whole purpose of this site, is to explain things.--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 21:57, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Do you want me to bring up all of the possible noticeboard posts on Doctoral dissertations? WhisperToMe (talk) 19:06, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
  • @WhisperToMe: Can you clarify what you're looking for? You linked the Draa study in ERIC. czar  21:52, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I didn't see the full text link on the ERiC page. It was in small print in the upper right corner. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:25, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
I started a RS noticeboard post asking about the reliability of the PhD thesis: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Reliability_of_Education-related_PhD_thesis:_School_uniform_.22study.22 WhisperToMe (talk) 15:12, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Moved archives from years to numbers

Moved archives from years to numbers, so they will all show up in {{Talkheader}} at the top of this page. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 03:58, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Archived some threads

I've archived some inactive threads to subsections which were notifications about discussions that have since been closed. — Cirt (talk) 04:02, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Cem Ersoy

Hello, education experts. The above submission to AfC was declined in 2012, but this man appears to be a full professor and chair of a professional organization. Does he qualify for notability as an academic? —Anne Delong (talk) 15:09, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, he appears to pass muster as an academic. It's not completely clear to me as I'm not familiar with the higher education system in Turkey but a comparable U.S. academic would (barely) pass muster. Of course, it would be much easier to make this call if the article draft had independent sources attesting to the notability of the subject but such is the lot of most academics (and most people in general) who do wonderful and important work that doesn't catch the public eye. ElKevbo (talk) 16:25, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks - I have postponed deletion of the draft to give time for finding some reliable sources to add. —Anne Delong (talk) 06:51, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

The Houstonian

I've recently gone ahead and created an article about the newspaper, The Houstonian (newspaper).

Help with suggestions for additional secondary sources would be appreciated at the article's talk page, at Talk:The Houstonian (newspaper).

Thank you for your time,

Cirt (talk) 03:31, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Popular pages tool update

As of January, the popular pages tool has moved from the Toolserver to Wikimedia Tool Labs. The code has changed significantly from the Toolserver version, but users should notice few differences. Please take a moment to look over your project's list for any anomalies, such as pages that you expect to see that are missing or pages that seem to have more views than expected. Note that unlike other tools, this tool aggregates all views from redirects, which means it will typically have higher numbers. (For January 2014 specifically, 35 hours of data is missing from the WMF data, which was approximated from other dates. For most articles, this should yield a more accurate number. However, a few articles, like ones featured on the Main Page, may be off).

Web tools, to replace the ones at tools:~alexz/pop, will become available over the next few weeks at toollabs:popularpages. All of the historical data (back to July 2009 for some projects) has been copied over. The tool to view historical data is currently partially available (assessment data and a few projects may not be available at the moment). The tool to add new projects to the bot's list is also available now (editing the configuration of current projects coming soon). Unlike the previous tool, all changes will be effective immediately. OAuth is used to authenticate users, allowing only regular users to make changes to prevent abuse. A visible history of configuration additions and changes is coming soon. Once tools become fully available, their toolserver versions will redirect to Labs.

If you have any questions, want to report any bugs, or there are any features you would like to see that aren't currently available on the Toolserver tools, see the updated FAQ or contact me on my talk page. Mr.Z-bot (talk) (for Mr.Z-man) 05:03, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Updates to the Educational Data Mining Page

Hi everyone! I'm working on updating the Educational Data Mining page as part of a class assignment. I've added a few sections and contributed to others. Let me know what you think. Thanks! --Mabelho (talk) 19:35, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

New Article: Gamification of Learning

Hello all! I am user:Heatherjsb, a graduate student at the University of Toronto. For a course assignment this term, I've written my first Wikipedia article. I hope you have time to check it out. Gamification of Learning. --Heatherjsb (talk) 19:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Quiz bowl

Excuse me if I'm not using the right procedure to bring this up. I'm wondering what the rationale is behind classifying Quiz bowl as being of mid level importance. I mean, this is really my opinion but it is really not significant to education or really even significant in its own right. Additionally, there is literally no literature about quiz bowl, even in an educational context.--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 17:22, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

You might want to ask the person who tagged it as such czar  17:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
I'd suggest putting up a {{notability}} template (in the multiple issues one). If it's notability still remains undefended, after some time... propose that it be deleted.--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 03:20, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Faculties of University of Rajshahi

Hello WikiProject Education. The article on Faculties of University of Rajshahi could use some experienced attention. The article seems to keep getting longer and is coming off as more of a promotional college admissions packet than as an article about a school or its facilities. The main contributor does not have too much experience, appears to have a little difficulty with English, and may need some help from the community to better focus the article on its intended purpose. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:48, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jon Davison

Dear education experts: This old abandoned Afc submission will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable professor? There is no Google Scholar report, and I can't tell if his professorial positions and other activities would qualify him under WP:PROF. —Anne Delong (talk) 00:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/IBLT MODELLING

Dear education experts: This old draft article was never submitted to be in the encyclopedia. Now it's about to be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable topic? —Anne Delong (talk) 15:41, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Professor and Pastor Luke Oladele Olajuyin

Dear education experts: This old Afc submission about a professor will soon be deleted as a stale draft. It was declined for being (very) promotional. I am willing to rewrite this to NPOV, but first I would like to know if this is a notable professor. Although there is no Google Scholar report, there were certainly books and publications. I'm not sure where to look for references, and I don't have access to academic databases. —Anne Delong (talk) 12:24, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Junior Writers Awards

Greetings WikiProject, the article on Junior Writers Awards falls within your scope. It's a writing competition for secondary students in Hong Kong and Macao. I could use some extra eyes over there, as some contributors seem interested in turning the article into a promo piece for the event. It's not an epidemic or anything, but extra eyes would be helpful, even if you just add the page to your watchlists and scrutinize the changes. There is also no indication in the article that the event is notable, so helping to establish notability would be appreciated as well. Thank you! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:16, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Discussion on inclusion or exclusion of Virginia Draa study in school uniforms article

Please see: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Did_this_noticeboard_.22support.22_the_inclusion_of_the_Virginia_Draa_school_uniform_study_at_School_uniforms WhisperToMe (talk) 11:43, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

New page about gamification of learning

Hello all. I am new to Wikipedia. Last month I started a page on the gamification of learning, and it was classed as "within the scope of WikiProject Education." I was very excited about this! I have worked hard to add a lot more content to the article, and hope some of you will have time to check it out. --Heatherjsb (talk) 14:47, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Underground education

Any sources about this interesting phenomena outside Poland would be appreciated. It would make a fascinating subject if we could develop this. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:35, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Unless the sources call it this, the article can easily descend into original research. (Also "Clandestine education" may be the more frequently used term.) I think this topic makes more sense as a category—I'm not sure how it'd work as a full, encyclopedic article since UE is less of a singular concept than a bunch of situations. czar  13:39, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
I'd be surprised if this wouldn't be notable, through I am certainly open to AFD, which hopefully would garner more attention and result in a badly-needed expansion... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:40, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Copyright concerns related to your project

This notice is to advise interested editors that a Contributor copyright investigation has been opened which may impact this project. Such investigations are launched when contributors have been found to have placed copyrighted content on Wikipedia on multiple occasions. It may result in the deletion of images or text and possibly articles in accordance with Wikipedia:Copyright violations. The specific investigation which may impact this project is located here.

All contributors with no history of copyright problems are welcome to contribute to CCI clean up. There are instructions for participating on that page. Additional information may be requested from the user who placed this notice, at the process board talkpage, or from an active CCI clerk. Thank you. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:52, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Addition of gpseducation.oecd.org to external links section

A user (Special:Contributions/Diddpql) is adding the site to the ext links section of many articles. It seems to be a new site with little data but is not at all spammy. The site is http://gpseducation.oecd.org/

Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:37, 19 March 2014 (UTC)


Hi, Anna Frodesiak. This is an explanation about the website and the value of it. This “gpseducation.oecd.org” website is conceived to be a one-stop-shop to provide the public with enhanced and easy access to OECD education data and policy research. It will contain, gather and link 1) quantitative OECD data and information on education; and 2) OECD research on education policies. Users will be able to access and extract OECD data, research and policy advice through an interactive and customisable platform according to their individual needs and selected criteria. All information will be available by topic and by country through an Analyse by country, an Explore data, and a Review education Policies.


OECD publishes a vast range of reports and statistics and, although all are publicly available, it can be tough to find what you are looking for unless you know your way around the iLibrary. The OECD Education GPS integrates and mobilises the organisation’s data, research, and policy advice on education and skills in entirely new ways. As a one-stop-shop this integrated and user-friendly online platform provides the public with enhanced and easy access to the OECD’s rich source of evidence and analysis of education policies and practices.
Just like an in-car GPS navigation system that shows you how to get to where you want to go and that provides a map of the possible road one might take, the Education GPS aims to help policy makers think about possible routes to reform based on an understanding of the education policy landscape.


What is the Education GPS?


The Education GPS uses cutting-edge technology to enable users to access and extract data and analysis according to their individual needs and selected criteria and obtain customised summaries of the information that is relevant to them. All data and analysis is available by country and by topic.
The three key elements of the Education GPS are:
• Analyse by country
o The “Analyse by country” section enables users to find, use and understand data and analysis on individual countries. Introductory country profiles provide relevant information on selected topics. Data tables allow users to obtain country-specific statistics from a wide variety of indicators and make comparisons between countries of the users choice. Links to relevant metadata, websites, publications, and material produced within and outside the OECD help users contextualise the available data. Highlight sentences provide a quick snapshot where countries fare well, and where they could do better, and advanced data visualisations illustrate how countries fare in selected areas of high policy relevance.
• Explore data
o The “Explore data” section allows users to search for specific indicators on education and skills by a range of different themes. Users have the possibility to refine their selection based on their particular needs, filter data by country, educational level, and age group, and compare the results using online charts and tables.
• Review education policies
o The “Review education policies” section offers users the possibility to explore OECD’s analytical work on education and skills through a visual network of major policy topics and areas. This tool highlights a selection of interesting policy directions and key findings for each individual topic. Policies in education cannot be conceived of independently from one another. The “Review education policies” section enables users to explore how education policies relate to each other from an OECD point of view. This part of the GPS platform also provides timely and easy access to related publications that can be sorted by year and relevance. Printer-friendly versions are available for all policy topics.
To find out how it works, take a look here: http://gpseducation.oecd.org
Education GPS is best viewed with Google Chrome and other modern browsers, such as Mozilla Firefox, or Microsoft Internet Explorer version 8 or higher. If you are using an older browser we recommend you upgrade to benefit from better performance and security.


Easy access, better visibility and greater impact


For member countries the Education GPS is designed to maximise the benefits that they can gain from the substantial investment they have made in OECD work on education and skills. They can more quickly and more effectively pull out from available indicators and analysis the information their education policy makers and advisers are looking for.
For the general public, the Education GPS will also facilitate better access to OECD’s data and analysis. The Education GPS will, thus, also strengthen visibility for OECD’s work on education and skills more widely.
And those working with the Education Directorate, will benefit from considerable savings in responding to briefing requests and dealing with ad hoc enquiries.


The Education GPS was launched at the informal meeting of Ministers of Education in Istanbul on 2 October 2013. The section on education policies will be launched at a later date.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Diddpql (talkcontribs) 11:13, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I also would like some feedback on these links from someone involved in WikiProject Education. Diddpql has since restored some of these links but I do not intend to remove them again unless there is a consensus of WikiProject members to do so.-gadfium 21:06, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Christine Jax

Hello, education experts. Here's another of those old abandoned Afc submissions that will fade away shortly unless someone takes an interest in it. —Anne Delong (talk) 22:54, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Qualifications

What are the qualifications for this position?(superintendent of education) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.199.50 (talk) 20:33, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study

Would you be interested in participating in a user study? We are a team at University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within a Wikipedia community. We are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visualization tool. All you need to do is to prepare for your laptop/desktop, web camera, and speaker for video communication with Google Hangout. We will provide you with a Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator). If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 15:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC).

Relevant RfD

I came across Template:WikiProject Public Policy, which is a redirect to Template:WikiProject Education. It's now under discussion at RfD. You may be interested in commenting there. --BDD (talk) 16:23, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Small help with The Art Institutes?

I'm hoping to find an editor here interested in helping with some recent edits to The Art Institutes. An IP editor added a sentence to the article's introduction mentioning lawsuits involving Education Management Corporation, which owns The Art Institutes, and other schools. I have been discussing the change with other editors on the Talk page about it since February, but conversation has recently stalled and I believe at least one of the editors involved (aside from myself) would like to get an additional opinion.

FYI, I am working on behalf of Education Management Corporation and, because of my COI, I am looking for editors to help determine whether the mention is appropriate for the topic and, if not, editing the article to remove it. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 14:54, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Adding onto this request as the same editor has made additional edits to articles of several of the schools owned by EDMC. I've briefly outlined each of these edits below:
  • Over on the The Art Institutes article, a new sentence has been added to the lead about EDMC that seems out of place. I've suggested removing it. My previous request here also remains unresolved.
  • The same sentence has also been added to the introduction of the EDMC article. Its inclusion makes more sense (though not in the lead), but as the information is already covered in the article, I've proposed removing it there as well.
  • A new Controversy section has been created in the Brown Mackie College article for one sentence. My suggestion is to incorporate this elsewhere in the article.
In addition to these requests, I've also proposed some new wording related to a recent legal settlement on the Argosy University Talk page.
More information about each can be found in the requests I've posted on the individual Talk pages. Hoping an editor can take a look into one or more of these issues. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 17:05, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Robert F. Tinker

Dear education experts: This article came to my attention when I was requesting a history merge. It certainly has some NPOV problems. I thought that I'd post about it here in case someone would like to do a rewrite. I took out one particularly blatant phrase. It seems to me that some of the content is about things that every teacher does, mixed in with the claims to notability. —Anne Delong (talk) 22:49, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

ORCID

Those of you involved in higher education may be interested in ORCID. ORCID is an open system of identifiers for people - particularly researchers and the authors of academic papers; but also contributors to other works, not least Wikipedia editors. ORCIDs are a bit like ISBNs for books or DOIs for papers. You can register for one, free, at http://orcid.org As well as including your ORCID in any works to which you contribute, you can include it in your user page using {{Authority control}} thus: {{Authority control|ORCID=0000-0001-5882-6823}} (that template can also include other identifies, such as VIAF and LCCN - there's an example on my user page). ORCID identifiers can also be added to biographical articles, either directly or via Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:20, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Education At Wikimania 2014

Are you looking to recruit more contributors to your project?
We are offering to design and print physical paper leaflets to be distributed at Wikimania 2014 for all projects that apply.
For more information, click the link below.
Project leaflets
Adikhajuria (talk) 15:12, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comments, help

Please take a look at the open learning article, which is of interest to both WikiProject Education and WikiProject Open. There seems enough convergence between open learning and open education to consider whether the two should be merged into one article. To weigh in, go to WT:OPEN. —Litjade (talk) 21:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

I've open this topic for discussion on the Open education talk page. —Litjade (talk) 13:27, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Should we have a category for recipients of honorary degrees? (It was recently deleted)

If you are interested in this topic, please see my post at Talk:Honorary_degree#Deletion_of_recipients_of_honorary_degrees. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:44, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

collegeatlas, reliable source ?

Hi People.I wanted to have your opinion on collegeatlas. I have just found out that the education part of Khazakstan was almost a copy/past from this website and I am wondering if it is really reliable... It looks quite notable, but the process of publication seems rather unclear and makes me suspicious: No author, no dates, no formal sources("collegeatlas relies on feedback from schools, education professionals and students to help keep content up to date and accurate.")... Does someone know this website ? Does it have its place on wikipedia ? KaptainIgloo (talk) 13:46, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Education At Wikimania 2014(updated version)

Please note: This is an updated version of a previous post that I made.

Project Leaflet WikiProject Medicine back and front v1.png

Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

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The deadline for submissions is 1st July 2014

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to:

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Adikhajuria (talk) 13:01, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

European Sleep Apnea Database deletion discussion

European Sleep Apnea Database is undergoing a deletion discussion, AFD page at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/European Sleep Apnea Database. — Cirt (talk) 03:49, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

how university works?

first of all i'm greeting you guys overthere

so i like to join for this topic because i eager to know something about university an comminucators and iam participate for it so thanks all of you guys — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.189.236.90 (talk) 14:04, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bing Act

Dear education experts: Is this old AfC submission about a notable topic, or should it be deleted as a stale draft? —Anne Delong (talk) 04:06, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Upmerging of Academic/Higher education country categories and subcategories

Please see my proposal to upmerge Category:Academia by country to Category:Higher education by country or vice versa (including the country subcategories). Hugo999 (talk) 02:13, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Children's Savings Accounts

Dear education experts: This old AfC draft was declined as being too essay-like. Can it be edited to be a useful topic? Is the information covered somewhere else? I found Coverdell Education Savings Account, but it seems to be about one specific American tax rebate, rather than about the general topic Education Savings Account, which is a redirect. —Anne Delong (talk) 22:15, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Addition of a Migrant Education page

I am a student at Rice University in Houston, Texas, and as part of a school project, I am planning to add a Wikipedia page on migrant education. In this article I will discuss the current issues that migrant workers and their families face achieving educational success, the related government policies surrounding migrant education, and the current ideas of how to move forward and improve it. I will mainly focus on the United States, but will also add a section that touches on migrant education in different countries. In the section “current issues,” I will discuss the general problems migrants face in education (such as language barriers, poverty, etc.). After this section, I will talk about the history of migrant education in the US, focusing on the 20th century and leading up to the modern day. After briefly explaining the historical trends of migration within the United States, I will address the different problems and solutions that have been tried through the past decades. After laying out this history of migrant education within the United States, I will go into detail on current and related policies and regulations in other regions of the world. Finally, I would like to discuss the different opinions on how to improve the availability and success of migrant families’ educational experiences. I will approach this from two angles by first discussing ideas for policy changes and governmental action and then by discussing the involvement of NGOs and other non-profit organizations.


Sources: I plan to use scholarly articles from Journals such as the International Journal of Educational Development and the "Journal of Latinos and Education." I will also draw on publications such as Scholars in the Field: The Challenges of Migrant Education, and "Migrant education: thirty years of success, but challenges remain."


Any advice on how to improve this page would be much appreciated! Thanks!

CamilaKennedy (talk) 23:29, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of issues in K-12 education in the United States

List of issues in K-12 education in the United States is up for deletion. One solution that was proposed in that AfD was to "move without redirect to the WikiProject Education namespace." I'm leaving this note here to try to get input from people in this WikiProject to see if this is a viable option and to get your opinion about this list in general. Thanks, Tavix |  Talk  22:47, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Academia?

Please see here: Talk:Academia#WikiProject Academia?. Thanks. Fgnievinski (talk) 02:34, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Hole in the Wall

If relevant or of interest to anyone (education in "developing" regions - India and Africa in this case), the Hole in the Wall (example of Minimally invasive education) inspired the Digital Doorway project. Both projects (and other similar might warrant separate pages. I came across this link with a note on the Hole in the Wall which might be useful. --K (talk) 23:15, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

RfC: Postdoctoral research and Alumnus

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Starting this as a RfC, education experts needed. Thank you. Benutzernamen188 66 8 4 (talk) 21:44, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Dear education experts: Your help is needed, particularly with providing your expertise as to whether you consider Post-Doctoral Fellows to be Alumni of a University or not? And in either slant why, ideally if there is a reference, including that would be great? Your help will help inform Wikipedia and be most appreciated. Thank you in advance for any assistance. Benutzernamen188 66 8 4 (talk) 21:40, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

... is there some sort of dispute somewhere? Postdocs would not normally be seen as alumni, no. They're staff positions, possibly faculty depending on the length. Again, not sure what the end is for this, but if you're looking to use it in an article, we need reliable sources that say so (rather than a poll). czar  21:50, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Czar, yes, there is a dispute at Talk:John F. Kennedy School of Government and thus the question. Agreed we need reliable sources that say so, however if someone is a Dean or President of a University and is willing to say that, I think that might help. User:Drmies Wisely suggested getting more editors involved given their expertise here. Googling for whether they are or are not does not seem to turn up too many results? Thank you. Benutzernamen188 66 8 4 (talk) 13:33, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
http://www.nationalpostdoc.org/policy-22/what-is-a-postdoc lists the Postdocs Community as Graduate Students.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postdoctoral_research#United_States references students twice.
http://www.webguru.neu.edu/professionalism/research-team/postdoctoral-students references them as students
http://postdocs.stanford.edu/handbook/status.html references them as students.
These links are the top 4 hits on Google if you type in "are postdocs students". Recognizing they blur the lines between faculty and students, the bigger question with the dispute is should they be listed as alumni if we're including as a alumni individuals who attended the School but did not graduate? I would submit they are researching under the mentoring of a senior Faculty Advisor. Thank you. Benutzernamen188 66 8 4 (talk) 13:40, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't think there's going to be a definitive answer to this since schools treat them differently. Not sure that search was configured properly because it's going to pick up the sources that consider postdocs students. The real question is whether postdocs are alumni: UCSF includes postdocs (broadly conceived) in their graduate alumni, while Yale has clearly said that they are not considered alumni. This is totally going to be based on the nature of the appointment/fellowship and to what degree they are there to study under someone or to do their own research, and consequently, whether the school has an institution of postdocs considered student or staff work. I imagine certain schools, such as Harvard, reserving "alumni" status for the graduates of its degree programs, and perhaps less prestigious schools being looser with their inclusion criteria (bigger pool of donators). Stanford requires alumni to have been seeking degrees (your Stanford link above says those postdocs are classified as students mainly for the deferment of student loans). Didn't see any such restriction at UCSF. For your purposes, Harvard does not consider postdocs alumni, as they do not receive a degree. czar  14:14, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Czar, this RfC was my idea. I wonder now, given your varied search results, if this needs to be determined on a case-by-case basis. Six or seven years on Wikipedia, editing hundreds or thousands of such articles, and this has never come up. There's a first time for everything. Drmies (talk) 14:57, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
That and the definition changes with the state of higher ed. Case by case sounds fine, though I'd urge to default to Harvard's criteria ("alumni" = finished degree program), which I believe reflects the common understanding and usage czar  15:03, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
With all respect Czar, it is not a closed case, else there would not exist List of Harvard University non-graduate alumni. Even Alumni in Wikipedia mentioned they do not always include those who just graduated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_University#Notable_alumni includes Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerburg as notable alumni of Harvard University so there seem to be some alternative views as to what constitutes an alumni. I am not a native English speaker so I am open to other references if there are some? Benutzernamen188 66 8 4 (talk) 16:34, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
I think you understand how thin that case is. Those two are known for attending Harvard and specifically not graduating, and are clearly noted as "non-graduates" because they don't fit the definition of alumni. (Note that most schools' non-graduate alumni are not notable enough as a group to warrant distinction.) "Non-graduate alumni" is a bit of an oxymoron, but what better term is there? It's clear that "alumni" without the "non-graduate" refers to people who have graduated, the default definition for alumni. I agree with the consensus at Talk:John F. Kennedy School of Government and don't see how any further discussion of this will be fruitful. My recommendation is to use the school's definition wherever possible and to otherwise default to "those who finished degree programs". czar  16:53, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Sorry but I don't think that your recommendation to default to a definition of "those who finished degree programs" is aligned with how the term is usually used by most colleges and universities and is thus a bad recommendation. I agree that is probably how many people outside of higher ed define the term and it's how I think the term should be defined. However, institutions are eager to associate themselves with anyone who can provide evidence that the institution is successful or may be willing to donate money so folks who work in alumni relations and fund raising have usurped and expanded this term. ElKevbo (talk) 17:39, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand—you're saying that my definition of alumni is both commonly accepted and shouldn't be used as the fallback (i.e., only when the university doesn't have its own clear definition)? What should be the fallback then, if any? czar  22:16, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Case by case seems OK to me, but why do we have Notable alumni sections at all? That person P graduated from university U tells us something about P, but not a lot about U. These sections seems to me to be cruft, with their purpose mostly to promote the university (look at all the famous clever people who studied here!) --Stfg (talk) 16:13, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Somewhat off-topic, but I can sympathize. Another way of looking at it is as a precursor to a summary style spin-off into its own list. These sections are always nicer in prose, listing the best examples, than a cruft-collecting list of five local celebrities. czar  16:53, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Please start a separate discussion; this is an interesting question but it's different from the one currently on the table. ElKevbo (talk) 17:39, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
A bit rude, actually, to say "go and talk about it somewhere else". I'd have thought there is little point discussing who to include in these sections without an agreed understanding of what if anything these sections are for. One usually decides whether before one decides how. By all means scope your own comments as you wish. I'll scope mine to what I think relevant to the present question. If the current discussion is merely about whether post-docs are alumni, why would Wikipedia care? It's academic (<sigh> how else does one say it?). If the question is whether post-docs should be included in Wikipedia's lists of alumni, then I believe my question is relevant to this discussion. --Stfg (talk) 23:48, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
The direction of the discussion above - there is no universal definition and this will probably have to approached on a case-by-case basis - seems correct to me. It's an interesting question, though, because I imagine that it's one that probably hasn't occurred to many who work in higher ed. Although we try to be very accommodating to post docs and provide them significant support since they are very junior in their field, my sense is that many of us consider them staff or perhaps even faculty in many ways but not students. They're rarely enrolled in courses.
Another way to explore this question may be to look at what happens to post docs in union negotiations and what those have to say about the status of post docs, especially if there are institutions where post docs have formed their own union or collective bargaining agreement. ElKevbo (talk) 17:39, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you ElKevbo, that's very helpful. Benutzernamen188 66 8 4 (talk) 20:01, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm unsure if this discussion has ended, but I would like to add a few comments. Post Doctoral (students) in the United States generally list their Post Doc time in their curriculum vita within their education section. An example of this can be seen in the template guidance from UCSF - http://career.ucsf.edu/grad-students-postdocs/career-planning/academic-jobs/applying/academic-samples. The field generally views post doc status as a continuation of education and thus an effort of study which has no explicit program. Post Doc status is not considered long term employment and is temporary (eg not on the tenure track). Fields in the life sciences rely heavily on Post Docs to produce research in a labor pool like structure. But this does not imply this isn't a structured learning opportunity.Randomeditor1000 (talk) 21:58, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Randomeditor1000 the discussion is only two days old, so your insights and those of anyone else are very much appreciated. Would you consider Post Doctoral individuals to be Students? 96.241.68.71 (talk) 23:32, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to all who have shared insight. I tried searching in the English version of Wikipedia for the term non-graduate alumni and got 100+ hits. Of note:
  • Comment - Because it looks like no one has directly commented on the substantive merit of the four "sources" Benutzernamen provided.
The first, clearly draws a distinction between the two, hence the two headings on the sidebar, "graduate students" and "postdocs" and the postdoc tab is full of information about retirement, maternity leave and salary - these are the trappings of a job.
The second, the wiki article nowhere states that they are students. There is a mention of "doctoral students as well as postdocs" which unambiguously demonstrates they are separate categories, and there is a separate tangent about PhD students in general but ZERO mention of "Postdocs are graduate students".
The third link, with a name like "web guru" would get immediately slapped with a [dubious ] tag, because it in no way resembles a bona fide resource. They couldn't even spell a simple plural or create a verb phrase correctly, e.g. "Ph.D.'s" and "perceived of as a prerequisite", plus, it in general looks like a homemade website. A distinct geocities vibe. Worthless source as far as I can tell.
The fourth one, the Stanford one, says that they all postdocs to declare a student status solely for student-loan deferment financial reasons. One, in addition to this being very nice of Stanford and well in tune with the pecuniary realities of higher education in the US, if it were not the case that post docs and students were by default the same thing, would they have to mention this at all?
It seems like every time a postdoc is treated as a student it is at that university's discretion (and presumably for a specific (legal or tax) reason) and therefore should be considered an exception, so the default should always be to treat them not as students, and therefore not as alumni either. JesseRafe (talk) 20:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi JesseRafe, the "web guru" resource that you say [dubious ] tag, because you think it in no way resembles a bona fide resource, has an "About" page that says: Web-GURU project was originally funded by the National Science Foundation Division of Undergraduate Education's Educational Materials Development Program under award DUE-0341080. It currently enjoys funding provided by The Camille & Henry Dreyfus Foundation, Inc. http://www.webguru.neu.edu/about-webguru Benutzernamen188 66 8 4 (talk) 00:35, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
The first link has, for http://www.nationalpostdoc.org/graduate-students-29 Join the NPA! Graduate Student Membership Information. Benutzernamen188 66 8 4 (talk) 00:35, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I honestly don't get it, do you just refuse to read? Your own sources substantiate my claim, not yours. Think about context don't just lazily Ctrl+F for "students" and claim you're right. Who needs info on choosing a college? High schoolers. Who needs info on choosing a grad school? Undergrads. Who needs info on "Finding the Perfect Postdoc Position. Guidance on considerations when choosing the best postdoc position for yourself."? Grad students. That's why it's on that tab, because that's for them. That's not info for postdocs, it's too late for them. Unless you also claim high schoolers are already in college and college students are in grad school. Might as well extend that to the unemployed having jobs if you're basing your knowledge of the world on people getting advice on fora before major life changes. Your sources, other than the nonsense web guru one, all make the point that post docs are in general not considered students, i.e. your research undoes your own argument. Except in the rare event that they are for procedural reasons only (Stanford), and even then the source goes out of its way to explain why it is the exception. I don't care if I even remembered if I went to the About page of the webguru site but just because it has a lot of words on it does not necessarily make it a solid resource. As I said above it's barely in English and it looks like the days of browsing on Netscape. Where did you get the idea that they were students, anyway? Instead of finding sources, please just make an argument as to how in your eyes a paid researcher who draws a salary and can get fired and has a pension and gets paid sick days off is similar to someone who takes tests and pays tuition and maybe can fail, but if not they receive a diploma? It's like you're asking everyone else in the world to prove that red is green and you're finding sources that say, "red, blue, and green are colors" and you go "Eureka, they said "red" and "green" in the same sentence so they must be equivalent!" JesseRafe (talk) 05:02, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The arguments being made are based on employment status and not on educational status. Most Ph.d students are also employed as teaching assistants, research assistants, fellows, or visiting/temporary/adjunct instructors. They are both a student and an employee. Why should the Post Doctoral position be any different?

Additionally, listing a person as an Alumni does not necessarily imply that they were a student. The current American use of the word alumni can include contributors, employees or persons who were a part of specific group.

Merriam-Webster Dictionary - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alumni
Alumnus noun.

  1. 1: a person who has attended or has graduated from a particular school, college, or university
  2. 2: a person who is a former member, employee, contributor, or inmate

Some other various references to look through if you are really interested:

Randomeditor1000 (talk) 18:08, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Post docs are different from graduate students because (a) grad students are enrolled in courses, almost always leading to a graduate degree, and (b) virtually everyone in the academy agrees that grad students' primary identity is "student" with their coursework and relevant scholarship their first priority (e.g., we let one of our grad students take off work all of last week while she was taking final exams because those are more important than her work in our center that can be made up later). Post docs, on the other hand, aren't typically enrolled in courses and their primary responsibilities are focused almost exclusively on research and maybe a bit of teaching so they're universally considered staff (or maybe faculty if they're teaching courses). They are treated differently, however, in that we're all keenly aware that post docs are almost always very junior scholars in temporary positions where they are hoping to gain some useful skills and experience to better position themselves on the job market as they look for long-term employment either as researchers or faculty. This is a very long-winded of saying that there is no controversy about whether post docs are considered students or grad students; they're not.
Whether they're often considered alumni is a much more difficult question because we're come to define the term as broadly as possible to ensure we can associate our institutions with as many successful, interesting, and (hopefully) rich people as possible. Although post docs aren't students enrolled in courses, their role is more along the lines of an apprentice so most institutions could lay some legitimate claim to playing a role in the education of many of their post docs because their job explicitly included significant training and mentorship. I don't know whether that claim is actually made either by universities or by individual departments.
In the end, I'm not sure why this is a significant issue requiring us to devote this much time to it. Our typical approach - follow the lead of the reliable sources describing the topic at hand - should work here, too. In other words, include post docs in alumni lists if the institution or other reliable sources include them and leave them out if the reliable sources leave them out. That seems to be pretty easy and straight-forward to me so I'd like to know what I'm overlooking or underestimating. ElKevbo (talk) 18:43, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@ElKevboI agree with your way of handling it. But it's obvious you were never a Post Doc in Canada, where the categorical issue affects taxes, pension, social welfare and benefits. It's a contradiction to say academy does not teach post docs(students) training and mentorship. Attending formal coursework is not universally the sign of a student. As a matter of the different worldwide approaches in other countries the doctorate does not require any coursework, only valid contribution to research in a field. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 00:25, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

First, I've never been shy about letting everyone know that the focus of my experience and education is limited to the U.S. and had not been on other countries or comparative studies. So I welcome and appreciate contributions from editors who can provide context and information about other countries.
Second, either I was unclear in my post or you misread it. Institutions do provide post docs with training and mentorship; that is one of the primary purposes of a post doc experience.
Third, from an institutional standpoint, enrollment in some sort of course or program is indeed the formal definition of a student. Many institutions support community outreach programs and informal education opportunities but we have to draw a line somewhere to identify those individuals to whom we owe particular privileges, services, protections, etc. For example, some of our laws about privacy and data protection, especially FERPA, only apply to students so it's critical that we have a bright-line definition; this is most visibly playing our right now in MOOCs where institutions are struggling to determine if MOOC participants - people who haven't applied to or matriculated at the institution, usually haven't paid any fees, usually aren't enrolled in a program of study or seeking a credential, etc. - are students covered by our privacy and data protection laws and practices. And note that "enrollment in some sort of course or program" does not necessarily mean enrollment in one or more courses. Doctoral students, for example, often spend a few years in a "sustaining" status while writing their dissertation and this occurs after they've completed their coursework. However, they are still considered students and often are required to "enroll" in a sustaining or research "course" in part so our data systems classify them as students.
Finally, it may be helpful to this discussion to review a report that was just released by the National Academy of Sciences. The Postdoctoral Experience Revisited touches on some of the issues under discussion here, especially on pages 20 and 21 where the authors review some of most commonly used definitions of postdoctoral researchers (and note that the report commonly uses the phrase "postdoctoral researcher" to describe the primary subjects of this report). None of the definitions include "student" although they do mention training or mentorship. However, the authors of this report don't include those in their listing of basic aspects where the extant definitions converge; they include (a) prior completion of a doctoral degree, (b) a primary focus on advanced research, and (c) a fixed term of appointment. It's also worth noting that this report appears to focus primarily or exclusively on postdocs in the physical sciences so its findings may not be generalizable to the broader population of postdocs in the U.S. It's also solely focused on the U.S. context. ElKevbo (talk) 17:19, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

The term "alumnus" refers in general to any student or former student of an institution. Post-doctoral fellows who are actively engaged as "students" are, indeed, alumni. From personal knowledge, many (most) such fellows do take courses in their areas of interest, and such are absolutely alumni. Further, many such fellows are engaged in seeking additional degrees or specialized degrees in their field, so, while some may not be alumni, it would be inapt to deny that many are alumni of an institution. FWIW, the singular form is "alumnus". Collect (talk) 00:18, 16 December 2014 (UTC)


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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Woodrow Wilson Teaching Fellowship and Woodrow Wilson National Fellowship Foundation

Dear education experts: I worked on the first of these two pages for some time before I realized that there was an associated topic under a different name. I'm not sure what is the best thing to do here. Should all of the content about the fellowships be merged into a section in the article about the foundation? Should the draft be made into an article, and a "main article" hatnote be added to the Foundation page, since the foundation appears to have other activities besides these particular fellowships? The draft is better referenced, but these refs could be moved with the content. Any opinions? —Anne Delong (talk) 23:20, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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Heutagogy, Andragogy, and all that.

Recently, issues were raised with the article Heutagogy on WP:COIN, because the person who coined the term, based on their user name, was editing the article. After dealing with the conflict of interest problem, the question remained: what to do with the article? Heutagogy seems to be defined as self determined or directed learning for children. For adults, that's apparently called andragogy. This isn't a new concept, and there are other articles about it on Wikipedia. Self-directed learning is redirected to Autodidactism, which probably isn't quite right. Related topics include distance learning, Waldorf school, Montessori school, and Massive Open Online Course. (There's "Education 3.0", too, which is somehow related.[3]) We need some help with educational taxonomy here. There probably needs to be a general article on self-directed/determined learning, as a parent article for all this, if there isn't one already. Is there one already? Thanks. John Nagle (talk) 07:40, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Self-directed learning is so vague as to constitute nothing, so I don't contest the decision to redirect it into autodidactism. On heutagogy, it's a fairly recent neologism picked up by a small number of academic articles—nearly nothing on JSTOR and a few hits on Academia.edu (without looking into whether the journals are credible). All in all, I don't see more than a sentence or two needed to describe heutagogy anywhere in the encyclopedia, especially as it's similarly vague. I've skimmed through a few articles and still have no idea what it's supposed to constitute apart from a minor academic theory. For this matter, andragogy and heutagogy can both be explained in the last section of autodidactism (potentially with this source). Andragogy has a firmer standing, at least in relation to Knowles, its originator, and we can look at its sourcing if necessary. (The education theory subsection of the encyclopedia is hands down the worst I've encountered—needlessly convoluted and incomprehensible, sufficient to keep the articles up and insufficient for anyone to spend the time cleaning them up. Worsened by academic COIs, and so on. czar  19:35, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I see the problem "Self directed learning" is vague; it includes do-it-yourself learning, plus all the various educational schemes to let the student have more control. Wikipedia's definition of autodidacticism (is that even a word?) begins "Autodidacticism (also autodidactism) or self-education is the act of teaching oneself about a subject or subjects in which one has had little to no formal education. Autodidactism is often complemented by learning in classrooms and other social settings." Those two statements contradict each other. I think there's a practical need for a split between true do-it-yourself unsupervised education, and education under supervision. What terminology is appropriate? Thanks. John Nagle (talk) 19:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Sadly, I think it — the education theory subsection of the encyclopedia — is a fairly accurate representation of the current state of the field. It's beyond our power to sort out many things in this area because it's lacking in internal and historical consistency and hasn't been sorted or well-policed by the experts. ElKevbo (talk) 19:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Notable alumni sections

... why do we have Notable alumni sections at all? That person P graduated from university U tells us something about P, but not a lot about U. These sections seems to me to be cruft, with their purpose mostly to promote the university (look at all the famous clever people who studied here!) --Stfg (talk) 16:13, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Breaking this discussion out into its own section. Searches for a previous discussion on their exclusion mostly turned up discussions of inclusion criteria, e.g.,

czar  01:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Isn't the point of including alumni based on fact rather than interpretation of that fact. Perhaps a better method would be simply force all Notable Alumni sections to be their own separate article.Randomeditor1000 (talk) 18:12, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@Randomeditor1000: "based on fact rather than interpretation of that fact": I don't quite understand that. Could you elaborate please? --Stfg (talk) 19:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Its a fact that Barack Obama attended law school at Harvard University. How you interpret that piece of information is up to you. However, an encyclopedia entry on Harvard University could be more informative by mentioning that the 44th President of the United States attended law school there. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 00:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I think I understand, but while being a fact is good, it isn't sufficient. If we included the fact that Barack Obama attended law school at Harvard University in the article on, say, William Shakespeare, that would still be factual, but it would be plain silly, wouldn't it? And even if Obama played the part of Romeo in the school play when he was 12, that wouldn't be relevant to the article on Shakespeare, would it? Facts still need to be relevant to the subject of the article you put them in, and they need to not clutter it with trivial factoids. And this is my general point: it's good to include the fact that Barack Obama attended law school at Harvard University in the article about Barack Obama, but it tells us too little about Harvard University to merit inclusion in its article.
And Obama is right at the top end of notability. I believe this RFC arose because of a squabble about John F. Kennedy School of Government#Notable HKS alumni. Take a look at it, all 17 acres of it, giving every Joe Bloggs and his dog their mention. How does that benefit Wikipedia? It's cruft, isn't it? --Stfg (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't go that far. I think the lists of alumni, the split-out full lists, have reader interest and are useful when accompanied and confirmed by footnotes. The problem I see you raising is the smaller articles that do not have enough "notable alumni" to split out, and instead become a brag list. I would sooner see these as a small section of prose than these kinds of small lists that collect unsourced cruft. Reminds me of the old "trivia" sections that used to be at the bottom of almost every article. czar  16:45, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, yes, that puts it much better. The split-out lists do no harm, since people needn't see them if they don't want to. Those "brag lists" (nice term!) do harm, because they make it look as if people feel the need to brag. Prose is better than plain lists, if only because it forces the inserter to think whether there really is anything worth saying. (The cruft can be cruft even when it's sourced.) --Stfg (talk) 17:07, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
No, I think it's a good question that reaches way beyond one specific article. As I understand it, the question on the table is "What, if any, information does it provide readers about [institution x] to name, list, or describe former students?" I think it's a very astute question but quite frankly I think it's a bit of a hopeless one because there is widespread (but poorly considered) support for the general idea that a list of alumni can tell people interesting and useful things about their alma mater. That belief ignores many important issues and factors but it's so prevalent that we'd be hard pressed to dispute it only in this encyclopedia. Like it or not, our job here is to reflect and summarize prevailing views and current understandings and not impose our own even when we're right and nearly everyone else is wrong. ElKevbo (talk) 17:21, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
If split-out lists are preferred, then has Kennedy School of Government reached the point that its notable alumni list needs to be split out into a new article? Went through are cleaned-up a version of its list here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Benutzernamen188_66_8_4#Notable_HKS_alumni Thank you. Benutzernamen188 66 8 4 (talk) 14:27, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Requested article

I think it's necessary to create an article "Comparison of academic (scholar) years by country" which will contain a table with dates of academic year begin and end, and number and duration of vacations, and more... --92.115.106.250 (talk) 17:40, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Work based learning (in higher education)

Dear education experts: Here's another old AfC submission which will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable topic, and should the draft be improved instead? —Anne Delong (talk) 14:33, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

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Deletion discussion for newspaper The Globe

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Ongoing deletion discussion to decided whether or not to delete article on newspaper The Globe (student newspaper), with discussion page at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Globe (student newspaper).

Further research would be most appreciated, and/or suggestions for additional secondary sources, at Talk:The Globe (student newspaper).

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Looking for feedback on my funding proposal to work with UNESCO

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Help with article section on education amongst Somalis in the United Kingdom

Hi. There's a long-standing discussion that has just been revived about the use of data in the education section of the Somalis in the United Kingdom article. I figured it might be a good idea to get some input from people who know about education and education statistics, as the current content of the section isn't very satisfactory in my opinion (even though I wrote much of it). Cordless Larry (talk) 20:46, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

  • Sounds up my street. Will try to help improve this article. BrumEduResearch (talk) 14:48, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Regional school unit

The usage of "Regional school unit" is under discussion, see talk:Regional school unit (Maine) -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 05:27, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Turning STEM pipeline into a DYK

STEM pipeline would make a great DYK-- anyone interested in trying it? --Djembayz (talk) 03:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Is this a useful source?

I wonder if this can be a useful source?

WhisperToMe (talk) 10:45, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Sure, with the caveats that come with using any kind of report. More about its provenance here: https://books.google.com/books?id=8jJvAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45 czar  15:08, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Splinter skill

I created a (rather miserable) stub at Splinter skill because someone tagged the term as needing clarification in a Featured article I watchlist. If anyone here is able to improve on that stub, please do ! I overquoted because I was loathe to try to express this in my own words, and I don't have access to any good sources on the term. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:40, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Woodrow Wilson Teaching Fellowship and Woodrow Wilson National Fellowship Foundation

Dear education experts: This old draft and the mainspace article are related. Should they be combined? Or is each independently notable? Should the draft be moved to mainspace?—Anne Delong (talk) 14:13, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Homeschooling

Request for Homeschooling article to be reviewed. See talk page 31 - improvement of sources needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isthisuseful (talkcontribs) 20:04, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

NPOVN discussion of WP editing by SEDAI members

There is apparently a group called Stop Educational Discrimination Against Iranians (SEDAI) and they have come to Wikipedia to advocate with regard to their issue. Please see Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#SEDAI and articles linked from there. Jytdog (talk) 02:11, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

David Coleman

Hi there! I'm hoping to find an editor here interested in looking over a new draft I've prepared for The Common Core section of the David Coleman article. Coleman is the current president of the College Board, but was also a leader in the development of the Common Core State Standards Initiative. I have discussed the changes I want to make on the Talk page, but haven't heard from any other editors. I'm coming here next, since the article falls under the scope of this project.

I also need to note that I am working on behalf of the College Board and, because of my COI, I need other editors to review my work and edit the article to add it if it seems to be an improvement. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 17:20, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

If you don't get any bites in the next week, {{ping}} me and I'll take a peek. – czar 17:55, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Thank you so much, czar! I just saw your note on the Common Core Talk page. Great idea to post there. Hopefully someone will have some time to take a look, but if not, I'll reach out next week. Thanks again. Heatherer (talk) 18:09, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey czar! Just following up on this. Unfortunately I haven't gotten a response. Would you have some time to review? Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 20:36, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

how do I get post nominals listed on the wikipedia page

Listing post nominal

Our organization has two post nominals that it awards. How do I get them listed on the Wikipedia page?128.250.81.239 (talk) 01:43, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

White House Astronomy Night

I've created a new article on White House Astronomy Night.

Suggestions for additional WP:RS sources would be appreciated, at Talk:White House Astronomy Night.

Thank you,

Cirt (talk) 15:09, 7 October 2015 (UTC)