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Perry County[edit]

Thanks for adding some wonderful pics of Perry County.

I am working on trying to get a picture for every municipality in Pennsylvania. I realize that I will probably never happen, but any little bit helps. I suppose my goal would be more realistic if I still lived in PA. Dincher (talk) 22:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I know what you mean. My definition is limited to the legal municipalities. For example a picture of Waterville, Pennsylvania serves as the picture for Cummings Township, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania. The townships are easily the hardest to get a "good" picture of since they are so big and many of them have several villages, others are mearly vast areas of Wal*Marts, Blockbusters, Giants and Burger Kings. Those hardly make interesing photos, but I picture of Ickesburg would be great. Doesn't it have an old fashioned grandstand at a local ballfield. I know one of those little places in Perry County does. Dincher (talk) 23:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! I will probably work on them tomorrow. Dincher (talk) 03:22, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Non-free files in your user space[edit]

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Thank you Mr. Bot, I'll add the photo back (see Gauler Twin Houses) to the North Side article when the draft is ready to go back into article space (and update the fair-use reasoning) Smallbones (talk) 05:09, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Photo request[edit]

If you're ever photographing in Gettysburg, could you try to get a picture of the Alexander Dobbin House? Besides its NR significance, I'd like to have a picture online because its namesake was one of the earliest ministers in my denomination, and our denominational archives might find it useful. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 22:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! A "should be able to" is all that I was asking :-) Nyttend (talk) 00:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Lancaster photos[edit]

Neat, I've been meaning to go downtown to get photos of the 3 buildings listed collectively on the NRHP at F&M, to replace the postcard.

On a somewhat related note, there was an interesting article in the Intelligencer Journal/Lancaster New Era a couple days ago about C. Emlen Urban, the Lancaster-architect that designed some the buildings that are on the NRHP in Lancaster (namely the Stevens High School, the Kirk Johnson Building, and the W. W. Griest Building).[1] ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 16:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Neighborhood changes[edit]

Could you check to see if these changes are really in line with the source? Nyttend (talk) 11:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Frank Furness[edit]

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AC pics[edit]

I like your AC pics. I took most of the same ones the next day. Just went to look at uploading and found you'd beat me to it! Did you get the Segal Building as well? I'll leave it for you if you did. Lvklock (talk) 04:15, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I was actually wandering around on foot (my mother being a frequent enough visitor to AC to get us a free room), so fortunately for me, I found a state site before I went out that listed many of the sites as having been demolished. I put a link on the talk page of the county list. Barclay Court and all the Hotels except the Madison (which I could have seen from my hotel if my room had been on the other side) were noted as demolished. The one that wasn't was the Santa Rita Apartments, but I'm pretty sure it was the vacant lot with the white fence around it. Is that what you figured? I feel the same way you do about my pics. If someone has a better one, by all means, switch it out. None of my pictures are significantly better than any of yours. The main difference is that it was bright and sunny the day I was taking pictures, which you'd think would be a benefit. But, I got some pretty deep shadows on the church pics. The cloudier day suits the St. Nick's church better, anyway. My pic of Ascension gets the cross on the top, but the side is heavily shadowed, so it's a toss up. Funny, that for so long there's no pictures then the two of us both get there within two days. I put up my Segal Bldg. pic. I have a new one of the convention center I'm debating replacing the historic one with.
I too had some luck in other counties. I'm visiting friends farther north now, and got some pics in Hunterdon and Warren counties today. Here's my church pic of the day.
High Bridge Reformed Church, Hunterdon County
BTW, yes, the Segal building is the one you had fund in google. And, your church pic is much prettier than mine. The traffic was ridiculous, and I couldn't get to the place where I could have gotten the best shot. I waited over 15 minutes trying, but my chauffeur started honking the horn....I actually got a better picture of the BACK of the church, and a detail of the cool slate roof. Lvklock (talk) 13:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Dobbin House[edit]

Thanks so much for the image! I've notified the man who oversees the images at our denominational archives; hopefully he'll find it useful. Nyttend (talk) 16:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Kinman in German[edit]

Hi Smallbones; as you're obviously the main author of Seth Kinman, I thought that it could be of interest to you that I translated most of this article (only slightly shortened) for the German-language Wikipedia, see de:Seth Kinman :-) Gestumblindi (talk) 20:36, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Washington County, PA NRHP articles[edit]

While adding or rating Pennsylvania article templates, I came across the Washington County History & Landmarks Foundation article, which has an account of disputes between the Foundation and Washington & Jefferson College, followed by separate lists of bridges, historic districts, public landmarks, and Residential landmarks/farmsteads. These lists overlap the separate article National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington County, Pennsylvania.

It is an accepted fact in maintaining lists, that having two lists updated separately by different editors inevitably leads to divergent content. Because of the multiple lists in one article, and a single list in the other article, it is difficult to tell how much divergence there is now. I have not attempted to compare.

That said, I am at a loss to decide what should be done about the situation. As a veteran editor with far more experience than I have with NRHP lists, I am seeking your advice. If we can agree on an approach, then that could be posted on the talk pages of the two articles, and contributing editors can be asked to make an effort. Please respond right here on your talk page, to keep the discussion together. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:49, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Alms and Doepke Dry Goods Company[edit]

Just wanted to say — I do disagree with a stub assessment, since (1) it's far larger than "an article containing only a few sentences of text which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject", and (2) this was featured at DYK, which doesn't allow stubs. Nyttend (talk) 02:15, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Belfield Estate and Charles Willson Peale House[edit]

The articles Belfield Estate and Charles Willson Peale House overlap, with far too little detail in the latter article, compared with the former one. Perhaps they should be merged, or perhaps some of the material in Belfield Estate should be in the CWP House article instead. In either case, there is far more information about Belfield and the estate in books about CWP and online than is covered in either article.

Another puzzle for me is that Belfield Estate has NRHP and HDCP infobox headings, and CWP House has NRHP and NHL infobox headings, but I cannot find either of them in the appropriate Philadelphia lists. Shouldn't they be there? Perhaps I am missing something, though. What would you advise?--DThomsen8 (talk) 20:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Quincy Stamping Mill[edit]

Good idea, and thanks. Andrew Jameson (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I actually had already downloaded that stamping process diagram from HAER. I thought it might be kind of busy, though, so I hadn't uploaded it, but I did now anyway. Andrew Jameson (talk) 13:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Thanks for all the Davenport articles![edit]

Thanks for the Iowa WPA guide. I was unaware of it, and even though it's out-dated it offers some information that I can use to expand some of the work I've already done. More to the point, I knew many of things that are written in the guide, but I did not have the reference for some of them so I had to leave the details out of the articles.

I'm not a big fan of "Stubs", but quite frankly there is no other way to deal with some of these properties. I know I've written some stub articles and then went back and expanded them when I was able to locate a reference for them. I've also expanded articles that others created as stubs, so I do see a value in them. To be honest, I'm runnng out of material for the Scott County proprties on the NRHP and so I think we are going to have to resort to stubs for the rest. I am working with someone in the Quad City area on the Davenport articles. He has volunteered to take the photos. I will also take a few as I am able.

Thanks for the contact. Farragutful (talk) 20:25, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


Thanks – I was pleasantly surprised when Raul scheduled it. Not a lot of time to make sure it was OK, so I must have forgotten to put the toilet pic in... ;-) Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


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List of Properties (Hartford City Courthouse Square Historic District)[edit]

Hello Smallbones. I appreciate the comments on List of properties (Hartford City Courthouse Square Historic District). Unfortunately, I live in Maryland, and will not get back to Indiana (probably) until 2015. If anyone wants to add pictures to the list, especially where they are missing, please do so — the properties without photos on East Washington Street should have the highest priority. Otherwise, I will fill in the missing photos in 2015 (class reunion). You mentioned change name, "finish photos, then apply for featured list." I won't be doing that until I can get the missing pictures, but how does one apply for a featured list? TwoScars (talk) 02:01, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Thanks—I don't spend a lot of time in Omaha, but I had to pick someone up at the airport (and to look for the Black-bellied Whistling-Duck that'd been reported at a pond in the city). Some time ago, I'd told Freechild that I'd try to get illustrations for some of the many articles he's written on Omaha sites, so I went down early to give myself some photography time. Unfortunately, it was pretty gloomy: white buildings like the George H. Kelly House and The Sherman (Omaha, Nebraska) really need a blue sky for background.

Enjoy Montreal. I'm writing this from Hendersonville, North Carolina, on the way to Charleston, South Carolina, so I don't expect to be doing any Nebraska photography for a while. Still have about forty folders in my edit queue, though, so I won't lack for things to do...

--Ammodramus (talk) 03:42, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Republic County, Kansas Pawnee site[edit]

Thanks for the map. The Kansas site isn't photographed out yet. I got there on one of their closed days, so couldn't get interior photos. Judging by the website, there'd be some good ones.

The Pawnee site was my chief reason for going through Republic County. I'm working on Pike-Pawnee Village Site, but the best photo I've been able to get for that was the historical marker in Guide Rock, Nebraska. Luckily, there's a good story about conflict between the historians of Kansas and Nebraska over where the actual Pike site was, so I can tell the story (and use photos of the Kansas site) in the Nebraska article.

--Ammodramus (talk) 02:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Vanna Venturi House[edit]

Hi Smallbones, nice to see the article getting more comprehensive and to hear your desire to get it to GA! I think you're not too far, and with a few fixes I would already rate it as B-class. Indeed the Mom and Neighborhood sections are not yet enough focused on the article's topic and could use some trimming and rephrasing. In the Mom section I think a shorter summary of her cultural-educational-professional background at the time of commissioning the house would be better. Some of the biography style description would actually sit better in the Robert Venturi article. Also second paragraph does not follow the chronological order, which I found confusing. The Neighborhood section is useful, but if it would present the preexisting buildings as the urban context to which the house related, and the buildings built in the same period (i.e. Esherick House) as different responses to the same context, it would integrate better into the article. Maybe reducing the number of images in the gallery to four would ameliorate the impression that this section is given undue weight. In terms of design, following info would be useful if available: site area, orientation of the main facade relative to the cardinal points, ground floor area or building footprint, internal and external height, building materials and structural system. In terms of MOS, the lead would need to be at least two paragraphs. Sorry for not having time to be more actively involved. A great thanks for the iconic main facade image, as you can see is already spreading to other articles and Wikipedia's. --Elekhh (talk) 03:00, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: End of the Line (SEPTA 101)[edit]

Cool. I saw the same image previously used in Media-Orange Street (SEPTA Route 101 station) and in the Media, Pennsylvania article itself, but in the latter article, it claimed to be at Veterans Square (SEPTA Route 101 station). When I was doing research for those SEPTA Media-Sharon Hill Line articles a couple of years ago, I used Google Street View and saw what I thought was horseplay at best, and a mugging at worst. I sent an e-mail to the Chief of Police and asked him if this was something suspicious, and he told me it's probably just two people waiting for the trolley. ----DanTD (talk) 00:35, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Will Price[edit]

Thank you for uploading your pictures of Rose Valley. The Will Price page is so much more coherent because of them. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:10, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree about not knowing where to start on the Will Price page. His being a "Georgist" is more important than his buildings? I tried to add factual info, although I need to go back and footnote it. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Your wish is my command: Thunderbird Lodge (Rose Valley, Pennsylvania). BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:47, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: Esherick House next?[edit]

Thanks for the kind words about the Richards Medical Research Laboratories. If you are ever near the Richards Labs again, I would be happy to suggest some specific ideas for additional photos of the building that would certainly be useful on the Commons and probably in the article itself.

I noticed a few weeks ago that you had placed photos of the Esherick House on the Commons, so I started looking around at the time for material that could be used to expand that article. So far I haven't found as much as I had hoped, but I have enough to provide a little more material at some point. I will keep working on it. Bilpen (talk) 00:15, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Great! If you want, you could concentrate your energy on getting the photos on line with basic descriptions and I would gladly expand on the photo descriptions as needed if you wished.
You will also be interested to know that the Richards article has been nominated for the Did You Know section of the main page and has just been moved to the prep area on the queue: Template:Did_you_know/Queue I don't know much about this, but I presume that means that there is a good chance it will appear in the Did You Know section in the fairly near future. I wonder if there is a way to slow that process down a bit to give you some time to add more photos in the event that it is actually chosen?
What I will do here is list what I would want to look at if I were visiting the building myself as a result of studying Kahn's architecture. That's probably pretty close to what a student of architecture would want to see if he or she was preparing a school paper, etc. In other words, not everything here is guaranteed to make a beautiful photo, but maybe it might make an informative one. Or maybe not; who knows until you are actually standing there. I also understand that the building is cramped for space by its neighbors, which makes photography difficult, so undoubtedly not everything on this list can be reasonably photographed at all.
Now that the leaves are down, it might be possible to take a photo of the entire south side, and maybe also a slightly closer shot of the four side-by-side air intake towers on the southeast side. They evoke the past not only with their brick tower form but also with their sheer massiveness. They might also look interesting from a spot very near their base looking almost straight up.
The service tower at the extreme west end of the Goddard building looks interesting, but the best part seems to be at its top, and I don't think you will have enough maneuvering room on the ground to get a good shot of it.
The two types of brick towers in the Richards building (stairs and exhaust) look similar but they have very different tops (the top of the stair towers looks like a pair of upraised hands). Can you get a shot of that?
I would like to see how the Goddard and Richards building are joined, from both the north and south sides. Is there a way for the public to walk from the north side through an open porch where the buildings join to get to the small park on the south side?
Differences between the Richards and Goddard buildings would be interesting, particularly the slightly different cantilevered corners of the two buildings. The more intricate understructure of the cantilevered corners of the Richards building should be especially interesting and worth several shots. There are also some interesting "butt-glazed" windows in the Richards corners above each main window. Glass is directly joined to glass there with nothing but sealant and a small pair of clips on the outside for additional strength.
Kahn used carefully selected narrow boards for the forms for pouring concrete at Richards but the engineering and construction company used much cheaper plywood in at least some places at Goddard. Is any of that visible?
Is it possible to show the precision of the prefabricated structural elements that are joined together and stacked to form the columns on the exterior?
Kahn was famous for thinking carefully about what might be called the "entry experience," trying to see through the eyes of a person entering the building, especially for the first time. Is there any way to capture part of that experience with an image? Apparently there are somewhat interesting steps at each corner of the main entry at the ground floor porch of the north lab tower. Kahn also left the intricate structural elements visible in the ceiling of the entry porch in the Richards building so the public could see how the building was made, but I think the ceiling was been at least partly covered over now. What's there now would still be interesting, even if someone has made it ugly today.
Kahn was also famous (at least in some buildings that came after Richards) for using joints as natural ornaments. Sometimes he would emphasize the joint by placing a small indentation or protrusion between the joined elements, especially if they were made of different materials. Any signs of that technique here?
It would be interesting to see an example of a window covered with paper, etc, to shield against the sun.
My final idea is a long shot (pardon the pun). I have a book with a really intriguing photo of the building that was taken from the upper floor of a building some distance away. Looking at Google Maps, I would guess that it was taken from the Wistar Institute, which is on the north side of Spruce Street. That photo shows the plain and simple towers of the Richards building in the distance on the left of the photo and what I think are the quaint and elaborate towers of the hospital in the foreground on the right, forming a striking contrast. The Wistar building might be as hard to get inside as the Richards building undoubtedly is, but I thought I would mention it anyway just in case.
Whew! That should give you plenty to work with. Best of luck. Bilpen (talk) 17:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
I hope I didn't overwhelm you with ideas. Basically I mentally walked around the building, thinking about things I would want to see if I were actually there. If some of those ideas turn into photos, great. If most of them have to be abandoned because they are impractical or not photogenic or too vague or because of time pressure, so be it. By the way, the Richards article did appear in the "Did You Know" area earlier this morning along with your photo, but the link has already been archived. Thanks for your help with all of this. Bilpen (talk) 20:06, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
I deeply apologize for overlooking your last two messages of Jan 3 until today. I'm still new at this and I simply didn't see them, although I certainly should have.
Anyway, your pictures of the Richards building are great! Some of them, such as the full-height shots of the western service tower and the two towers flanking the main entrance, aren't available anywhere else as far as I know. The porch photos certainly help to illustrate the Vierendeel trusses that support each floor. This collection of photos will benefit anyone who is studying what is generally considered to be Kahn's breakthrough work. If you don't mind, I might make minor changes to some of the descriptions. In particular, you correctly identified the two types of shafts in the photo taken from the garden on the south side, so I would remove the question marks from that description.
If you ever get a chance to visit the Olivetti-Underwood Factory building near Harrisburg, that would be great, especially since that article doesn't have any photos at all. I suspect, however, that the building will be difficult to photograph. The standard books on Kahn's work usually include a shot of one of its 72 mushroom-shaped (more-or-less) structural units while it was under construction, one of the entire building taken at an angle from an airplane, and one of the old entrance that was apparently at the northeast corner. The old entrance seems to have been closed, so from the ground on the outside, options today seem to be limited.
It still might be possible, however, to take a photo that gives viewers a feel for the size and shape of one of those 72 mushroom units, which would be very helpful. When I follow the link in that article to the aerial photo of the building, I see that those units might be most visible and accessible from the west side, so perhaps a meaningful photo could be taken of the mushroom unit in the northwest corner of the building. You would want to emphasize the west side of that mushroom unit, which has an indentation separating it from the next unit to the south, which should help to visualize its shape. The north side of that mushroom has a triangular protrusion between it and the next mushroom to the east, which I suspect would obscure its shape. Frankly, I'm not sure how well this will work from the ground, but it is worth a try. Depending on the light, it might work better to try a similar photo of the mushroom unit on the northeast side of the building, where I think the old entrance used to be, again de-emphasizing the protruding triangle on the east side if possible.
Also, perhaps there is a visitor's area in the entrance lobby where photos of the internal structure of that mushroom unit are permitted?
Good luck, and thanks again. Bilpen (talk) 18:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I posted a major expansion of Esherick House article, and I explained what I did in Talk:Esherick_House. You might also be interested in the article I posted last month on the Fred E. and Elaine Cox Clever House, which is in the Philadelphia area. Also, I recently updated the Richards Medical Research Laboratories article to include several of your photos, which improve it noticeably. Thanks for those. Bilpen (talk) 20:23, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Thunderbird Lodge[edit]

On Wiki Commons, I changed the description of your photo:

It shows the kitchen entrance to Thunderbird Lodge (Rose Valley, Pennsylvania). Here is a pre-1911 photo from almost the same POV:

Again, thank you for taking and posting the photos. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:24, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the nomination forms. I went looking for them, but the NPS Website said they were not yet online. No surprise that George Thomas wrote the Rose Valley form, but I was surprised to see Nancy Webster wrote the Thunderbird Lodge form. Both are old friends. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:20, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice. And nice additions to the page! BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Pennsylvania/Requests[edit]

Should completed entries in Wikipedia:WikiProject Pennsylvania/Requests be removed, or just marked completed? Your advice, or editing, would be welcomed.--DThomsen8 (talk) 16:21, 6 January 2011 (UTC)


I replied at my talk page. I love your userbox 2, by the way. I might have to use or steal that. :-) -Freekee (talk) 06:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again! (replied again) -Freekee (talk) 19:27, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I stole your userbox, and added my own pic: User:Freekee/userbox1 Thanks! -Freekee (talk) 03:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

NYC Wikipedia Day[edit]

Take a look at User:Dthomsen8/NYC-more, which will be the basis for my NYC Wikipedia Day tutorial on inline citations. I have made edits for most of these houses, and only the Cook house and the Plant house are without URLs on the talk pages. I will use Gracie Mansion as an example, doing an archive, followed by an inline citation creation, and then an update on the article page. Then I will ask the participants to choose a house, read a source, and decide where that source can become an inline citation, with or without the addition of information from the source in the article text.

The NYC improvements Open Space will be an open-ended discussion of how to improve the coverage of New York City, and especially Manhattan. My role will be as moderator of the group.

My Lightning Round will also be an example or two of how newspapers restrict archiving (Inquirer) and restrict searching (Inquirer). If you have any examples, please let me know. I need a bit more effort on that, but again the participants will certainly contribute, and it is only 5 minutes. Examples are needed to get started. If it turns out that a lot of people want to discuss it, a later Open Space can be organized.

Feel free to comment on any of the above, or to ask about the format. There are many Lightning Round entries already, but only a few Open Space entries, but many of the entries are done on the spot. I did some last year, but this year I will be better prepared in advance. No telling how many will come to Open Space talks, but I would expect 15 houses to work on will be more than sufficient. --DThomsen8 (talk) 11:24, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

We can bring up any Wikipedia issue for the overall group to consider. Photo deletion drives without notice, for example. Lightning talks are a good way to get the attention of everybody. --DThomsen8 (talk) 17:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
If you want to pursue the photo deletion drives without notice, I will post a lightning talk about it, but you should provide me with examples of deletions that should not have happened. Also, other than logos, most images should go on Wikimedia Commons, and not here on Wikipedia at all. --DThomsen8 (talk) 23:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

2011 Tucson shooting caption template[edit]

I noticed this bot is the one that is adding it. KimChee (talk) 02:39, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

NRHP reassessments[edit]

Thanks for following up on assessment requests. As you noted, all the articles have now been assessed and I think the current ratings are pretty fair—though I thought Purple Point-Stehekin Ranger Station House might have been B-Class article since it includes lot of good info for such an out-of-the-way place. Most of my NRHP articles are about Oregon sites and Wiki-Oregon folks use bot to identify new articles and do very good job posting timely assessments. A number of Wiki-Oregon editors are also Wiki-NRHP members so they often get both assessments in one pass. If you are interested in re-assessments, Comfort Station No. 68 and Comfort Station No. 72 probably deserve re-look and possibly upgrades. While these articles are relatively short, they are about pubic restrooms…and there just isn’t a lot more to say about that kind of structure even if they are listed on NRHP.--Orygun (talk) 00:52, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

NRHP churches[edit]

Great meeting you at the WikiNYC10 event. Here's my tag. Your userpage is very instructive, I'll be bookmarking it. Any insight into using WikiCommons would be appreciated. Occasionally, I go full out with the photos (File:NYC.St.LucyRC Ch.338–342 104th St.1914–1915.Taken by James Russiello.jpg) but I became annoyed when my others were deleted.----James R (talk) 15 January 2011

Hi, we met at the convention last week. I'm still interested in contributing to the NHRP project but was taking a break. Now I'm caught up in a discussion on earlier articles I had been creating on noteworthy churches not on the NHRP. The discussion was primarily based on an abundance of New England church article stubs but seems to be deciding that architecture stubs outside of the NHRP are not notable and should deleted in mass, as opposed to those articles on the NHRP. It's deliberately outside the NHRP scope and your area but it seems to be about the future of historic architecture stubs not connected with the NHRP. Wondering if you would like to weigh in on the discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Mark Church (Stratford, Connecticut)--James R (talk) 24 January 2011
Many, many thanks for weighing in on the discussion. I've revised and accepted some of the suggestions for my three highlighted articles and I think they've all crossed the notability threshold now. Just woouldn't have the time if all of my work was questioned: the AFD has gotten too long and unwieldy to get a handle on it.Regards, --James R (talk) 25 January 2011

Comfort, comfort, oh my people[edit]

Thanks for links to the comfort stations – very nice. If I ever get the time (and to be honest, focus) I am trying to get some more NRHP listed covered bridges up to try at FAC. Take care, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:21, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Missing image[edit]

Take a look at Talk:Pittsburgh Geological Society, where there is a note saying an image is missing. I suspect that the deletionists have done this. How do I investigate? (I will look on my own, too.) --DThomsen8 (talk) 18:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Poking around in the history showed me that the editor who created the article used an external link to get the society's image shown. This is not acceptable to Wikipedia. So, having answered my own question, I suppose the next step is to acquire the logo image from the society website, and upload it as a logo on Wikipedia, just as I have done with many other logos in the past, but I know from experience that is not a quick task. Perhaps I should be putting logos on Wikimedia Commons, but I believe they have higher standards than Wikipedia.--DThomsen8 (talk) 18:58, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Peer Review of Institute of Chartered Accountants of India[edit]

I have nominated Institute of Chartered Accountants of Indiafor Peer Review. I was just wondering if you can peer reveiw this article since as per the peer review volunteer list, you are interested in Business, Applied economics, Finance. R.Sivanesh 11:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Mark Church (Stratford, Connecticut) – One list needed[edit]

Please note my request, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Mark Church (Stratford, Connecticut)#One list needed and comment or volunteer to make a list. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:14, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Smallbones, thank you for commenting in the AFD. I think it is fair and useful to comment as you do about toxicity in discussion, in general, and to caution about not driving away new editors with unnecessarily negative experiences. I have indeed been abrupt in my comments to/about Polaron's moves of articles there, but I did not intend to be abrupt with the editor Lukascb or any other new, contributing editor there. Part of my exasperation about Polaron is that a high proportion of his edits are to remove contributions of new editors, and done in a bullying, abrupt, unhelpful way. This set of articles came to my attention because of Polaron's moving them from reasonable names chosen by Lukascb, to names that come across as arrogant and inappropriate (as has been noted by others); I believe this is similar to Polaron's hazing of other new editors: the moves were unfriendly, undiscussed, and combative in spirit; from past experience I strongly believe that Polaron would have further move warred with the new editor if the new editor had directly responded. It was only because I objected repeatedly and opened an ANI case about Polaron that he paused with the moves. That is all indeed unfortunate for a new editor to have to bear.
What do you think would help resolve this situation for the articles created by Lukascb and WlaKom (i believe he created all or most of the 48 massachusetts parish articles). Basically i do want to support Lukascb as a newish, energetic editor. His visiting libraries and historical associations and so on to collect information is impressive. His visiting churches and providing pictures is impressive. Basically I do want to support someone working constructively that way. In other situations, I believe i have been helpful with newish editors in channelling their efforts productively, e.g. to avoid apparent plagiarism or copyright violation, successfully, in that they went on to do a lot more happily. Plagiarism and copyright are not issues here, but rather it is basic notability. I don't see how to deal productively with that in a very positive, direct way, other than finding a good source that could be used to support the articles' notability. I am not able now to spend time going to a good library and doing research towards that, however. I do value your opinion and would value your further advice on how to take this forward. You mentioned a previous mass AFD which you did not like; could you point me to that? I would like to try to compare it to this situation and help this one turn out better. --doncram 22:50, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Butting in here with a side note to Doncram: Your prior focus on Polaron did contribute to the problems in that AfD, and I think the focus is somewhat misplaced. Several of the original article names were "bad" (misspellings, incorrect names for cities, etc.), and Polaron is just one of several people who have been engaged in extensive page moving (some of which undeniably changed good names to bad names or bad names to worse names). Please try to focus on the content and not on the people – a focus on content instead of people would reduce the tendency for discussions to get sidetracked. --Orlady (talk) 23:01, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Again with accusations of move warring. Can you please explain why moving an article a single time to a redlinked title once constitutes move warring? Did I revert mulitple times? How about even once? Further, the exact location of the article is totally independent of your reasons for proposing deletion. Please do not use me as a reason for the AFD. --Polaron | Talk 00:23, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Polaron, I am not going to argue this out here with you, but I will note that Polaron's statement here is misleading. I state clearly my objections to Polaron's adversarial moves of numerous Connecticut church articles in User talk:Polaron#random moves of Connecticut church articles and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive667#Polaron moving articles and creating redirects. Polaron, despite numerous recent requests that he use the Requested Move service rather than make contentious moves, and despite specific request that he cease making moves of those CT church articles, responded to those requests by expanding the set of disputed articles by moving more. Given further request, he expanded the scope further by moving more. It was only with the ANI report that he ceased making moves of those articles. Actually i noticed at least one further move, and maybe there were more that i have not yet noticed. The move warring engaged by Polaron was the moves of multiple articles, all generally of the same type, where the type of move was specifically disputed. It has since been pretty well established by side discussion in the AFD and its Talk page and elsewhere, that all other editors regard all of those moves by Polaron moves as having been unhelpful.
It complicated the AFD discussion that the articles were moved to bad names, and it complicated it that Polaron's contentious editing style was interferring with the articles. Polaron repeatedly sets a bad example and escalates contention, in this arena where there are new editors watching. It complicates matters because it is hard to be appropriately negative and cut Polaron's shenanigans off quickly, without dismaying the new editors who should not have to be involved.
Polaron's assertion here on this Talk page is meant to be misleading, to assert that he was not involved in contentious moves, merely on the technicality that there were not repeated moves back and forth on any one article. The scope of the battleground was being defined by Polaron to include all CT church articles, or some such huge arena. A further waste of our time, to consider the cleverness or not of Polaron's misleading suggestion that he was not engaging in disruption. I probably will not comment further. --doncram 17:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

New NRHP photo[edit]

Do you keep track of how many sites you've visited and photographed? If so, add one to your Kansas list — the NPS just added a historic district in downtown Norton, and I've used your photo of the Norton County Courthouse to illustrate it. Nyttend (talk) 06:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. I also keep track of where I've photographed — I'm ahead of you with 1,622 (although the majority of those are in Ohio; I've been to more than a quarter of the state's sites), which surprises me, given that I've virtually never been in an area with such a high concentration of sites as southeastern Pennsylvania. I wish I'd gotten the chance to stop in little Kansas cities: I only have four sites there, and three are visible from I-70. Nyttend (talk) 19:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Curious to see addition to the Richland County list — are you planning to be going out that way? I've been going through Richland County all my life, travelling between western Ohio and Beaver and Lawrence counties in Pennsylvania, but I've never been able to get any pictures there: you'll have to get off US 30 to find any pictures. In the mid-2000s, they upgraded 30 to limited-access for most of the way across Ohio, and having travelled the entire length of the state on it at various times, I can tell you that there aren't any unphotographed sites that you can see from it. In fact, other than a few sites in Columbiana and Stark counties (all of which I've photographed, except for the McKinley Tomb), I can't think of any that are even visible from the new highway. Nyttend (talk) 22:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Ahh...Denver in the summer. Two of my three times in Colorado have been in the winter (including the time that I got all the photos that I have on the Denver NRHP lists), and the other time, I was in the same place the whole time and didn't get to do much sightseeing, other than a trip in which I took this photo. Since you want Old 30 as well — first off, I've gotten every Ohio site in counties with US 30 that's west of Crawford County except one, so you can see pictures easily. Park Avenue isn't Old 30 on Mansfield's west side: it's W. Fourth Street, which was still 30 through Crestline when I was in high school and considering going to Geneva. It might be interesting to meet, but I'm three hours' drive from 30, and my grad student schedule probably couldn't take that kind of trip, unless you decided to take a significant southward detour. Nyttend (talk) 22:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
That's a sensible choice :-) Go ahead with Park Street — I haven't the slightest clue when I'll next be able to be any farther east than my parents' in western Ohio. If I get the chance, I may look at the Indiana section of US 30; however, that's a big if, since I've lost power and Internet connection with this blizzard (it's mostly ice here, and I'm told it's the worst ice storm in Bloomington in several years) and can only get online at the library. Nyttend (talk) 17:31, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for finally making some sense of this[edit]

I appreciate your comments which are, finally, something positive from a Wikipedian. I was beginning to despair on seeing something like that.

I have been working for 20 years on an effort to document Catholic Church architecture in New England. It's one of the few areas where I can claim expertese, and only becuase no one else is interested in this subject. I had hoped that I could find a semi-permanent home for at least some of this information at Wikipedia. My belief is that if I can get this information out here that it will be available to more people and be less likely to be lost. And it is about to be lost. As best I know I am the only person to have done a comprehensive study of the architecture in this area. I am in regular contact with the archivists of the Catholic Archdioceses and Dioceses in the area and they tell me that there is no central knowledge base, apart from what they have in the archives, that deals with this subject.

I understand Wikipedia's need for notability. Your suggestions are well intentioned and much more appreciated than some of the comments of others. None the less establishing notability for some buildings that I see as clearly noteworthy may be difficult.

As a for-instance, let's consider St. Patrick Church in Bridgeport, CT. I know very little of the history of the church. I do know that it was built by a distinguished firm from Hartford CT and that it is a spectacular building. Look at the two photos I just added. Bridgeport is a tough and dangerous city, not the sort of place that people go to visit. The local government probably has some sort of agency that would recognize a church of this nature as being notable. But books on Bridgeport architecture are rare indeed, I've not seen one. I think that it would be a real service to Bridgeport if Wikipedia coudl include this article which hilights something excellent in an otherwise very troubled city.Lukascb (talk) 16:59, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


You're right, that's not what I meant. I've added that template a bunch of times, but for some reason I put a colon in the middle today. Thanks for fixing it. --Coemgenus 17:14, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Financial crisis (2007–present)[edit]

WP:CRYSTAL states that unverifiable or original research predictions are not allowed, but verifiable and non-OR predictions are OK. Even though a verifiable prediction turns out to be false, you should not remove it. Vulcan (hypothetical planet) was predicted to exist in an orbit between Mercury and the Sun, but now the idea was rejected. Would you delete that article? If you insist the prediction of the second wave of the financial crisis is wrong, you can add your argument after that section instead of removing the whole section. --Quest for Truth (talk) 18:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Colonial Germantown Historic District[edit]

The wikitable looks great with the color pix – it seems like you had a nice, sunny day walking around the neighborhood. Next time you're in Fairmount Park, there's a bunch of articles that need: Media related to Houses in Fairmount Park at Wikimedia Commons. My interest is in the photo's and detailed "data pages" about the houses found at the Historic American Building Survey.

Can you point me to the commonscat that has the border extension images you're talking about?

Dogears (talk) 17:28, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
I have uploaded many photos of houses in Fairmount Park to Wikimedia Commons, but I realize now that they are not in the category for those houses. I will do a few today, but there are quite a few. I have most uploads there as DavidT8. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Actually, a lot of these photos are still on my hard drive, and not yet uploaded. Someday, they will get there. The delay is because I am reluctant to put up photos without good descriptions, but maybe I should go ahead with less. --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:36, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Erie TFA[edit]

Thanks, I was a bit surprised it was picked, considering it was promoted 4 years and was my first FA ever. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 02:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


Cool – I have been on PA 45 and next time I am in that area, I will do my best to get a photo of it. I noticed that the old photos showed more than one window (which makes more sense than just one window for a school). Thanks, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 20:29, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Philips Memorial Building[edit]

The Philips Memorial Building in the NRHP, has only one vague category, but I cannot figure out just how to put it in a NRHP category. Can you help?--DThomsen8 (talk) 17:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)--DThomsen8 (talk) 17:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Wow, fast work, and very good photos and information. I changed the templates to class=start and removed the stub tag. I created a link for Wissahickon schist and added links elsewhere. Can you provide an importance?--DThomsen8 (talk) 20:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Looks like low to me. Wil change. Smallbones (talk) 20:27, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Right, but I will never rank a NHRP template again. --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Sharon G. Flake[edit]

Please take a look at Sharon G. Flake and see if you agree that there is no problem with the neutrality or the point of view. If so, go ahead and remove the tags, or I will do it. I just wanted a second opinion. This article is among the many articles I look at while updating the template ratings. Thanks. --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Pennsylvania School for the Deaf[edit]

Please rate Pennsylvania School for the Deaf as a NRHP. I did not look into the connection with the University of the Arts building at Broad and Pine. Perhaps that is NRHP as well, and perhaps there should be a link, too. --DThomsen8 (talk) 18:47, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Automated updates?[edit]

You added so many NRHP entries like *[[National Register of Historic Places listings in Alachua County, Florida]] very quickly, it must be by some kind of automated update. How is it done? --DThomsen8 (talk) 17:17, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Meetup late February?[edit]

There is a Wikipedian coming to Philadelphia for a conference in late February, and would like to meet other Wikipedians. I can respond, but we need to find others to respond, too. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Philadelphia --DThomsen8 (talk) 20:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Philadelphia for a reply.--DThomsen8 (talk) 15:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Philadelphia to sign up for the Mini-Meetup Saturday. --DThomsen8 (talk) 19:09, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Do you drive, take photos?[edit]

Sadly, I don't drive. Perhaps you could post this request at local (Pennsylvania) WikiProject pages? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:04, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Seth Kinman[edit]

Thank you for your kind words on my Centerville Beach Cross article about the wreck of the Northerner. These two pages were a "warm-up" for relearning the Wiki citation system and format. And, yes I have access to Ferndale Museum, it is about 3 blocks from my house and I'm friends with their chief researcher, a powerhouse by the name of Ann Roberts. We also have researcher here in town who specializes in Kinman, and much documentary material on the man. As for how much more we have on the wreck of the Northerner, I am not certain as I prepared the page nearly entirely from internet researches. I was going to ask Ann to take a look for me for anything I may have missed. Please do not hesitate to ask us for any materials needed for your researches. The Ferndale Museum exists solely for the purposes of research and education into local history. There is a research team that meets every Monday to work on interesting projects. Ann and I have been working on a page on Seth Shaw, brother of the founder of our town and famous Artist in San Francisco. Again, thank you for your kind words, and also for the very first "talk" on my talk page since I started !!! Awesome sauce !! Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:44, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

We learn so much about local history from inquiries like yours!!! I'll get your questions to Ann when I send her the link for the Stephen William Shaw page I'm starting to post now. It's taken us over a year to do all the researches for this page, and I know we'll all be excited when it's done. Thank you for putting the Shaw House photo on that group page. I hope to get a photo for every landmark up here (over time). Ellin Beltz (talk) 22:49, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Ann says "... she can get onto the Ferndale Museum website ( and order the two Seth Kinman books—Manuscript and Yarns. Then she will know pretty much all there is to know about Seth. It has detailed clippings and a detailed chronology. How did he get along with the Indians? A matter of opinion and interpretation. Why didn't he make a chair for Grant? Rob [Ann's husband] has a theory, but who can prove it?" I'm trying to encourage her to become wikieditor because she says she has things to fix in Shaw. And of course, that was my secret plan, put up some pages about stuff she's expert in, and dangle the "you can edit" bright shiny object in front of her. We'll see. I know she's have a bit of trouble adapting to electronic books and the ability to google up the past from home after 6 decades of paper and ink scholarship. Another thing I noticed today, his picture of Sutter is a mirror image of a 1/4 plate daguerrotype shown on Sutter's page... but it's Reversed!! 1/4 plate is only about 4.25 x 5.5 inches and the painting is 30 inches in size – and reversed – so some kind of projection, mirroring or light trick may have been used to create the base lines on which Shaw painted. I am going to try to find other images to see if he did this consistently. And I also just found out yesterday, his brother Seth was an expert daguerotypist, part of the Panorama of California team and part of at least two studios in San Francisco before coming to Humboldt. The joys of poking in the past!!!Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:01, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
I found this photo today, do not know if you knew it was in wiki
Another Brady of Kinman
.Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:41, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Standing here with the gent who transcribed the Seth Kinman manuscript & tales. He says everything you want to know is in those books, now here's some goodies... Probably more than 3 buckskin suits... 3 we know of. Wife Maria Sharpless. Building "bar" is now private home on Table Bluff; we can get you an outside photo. Why Grant didn't get a chair... Grant was opposed to blood sports and therefore Mr. Kinman's interests and those of Mr. Grant did not coincide. He's buried in Table Bluff cemetery to the east side of Highway 101 outside of Loleta (you can see on Google earth). And he says all the rest of what you want to know is in the book & you will rewriting your entire page after you get it !! He says prepare to be blown away!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Stephen William Shaw[edit]

Feel like reviewing ?? Stephen William Shaw was added today !! Now all I have to do is figure out how to kill the draft! Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:38, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Following your advice I uploaded the Portraits by Shaw that I've collected so far and in the process of so doing, discovered a most interesting thing. Picture gallery on my talk page will explain it better than words !! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:10, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Put the edited galleries on the Stephen Shaw page, made the other corrections you recommended and self-nominated (that felt wierd) my page, and I hope I did it right because that is the first one I've ever done!! If you have any more comments & suggestions, please don't hesitate!Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC) BTW, I sure hope I did it right, it's not showing on the noms. page... any ideas?? Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:07, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
It surely was fun to read the DYK on the front page!! And, yes, I have new information because I spent all day in Ann's extensive library and online and between the two of us, we coaxed considerably more history out of the dry facts than I think even she expected. I haven't read the Seth Kinman books, but I will tell you something that I didn't know before today which is that Rob who did the collecting/copying and codifying of those books was inspired to do so by your Kinman page on wiki and he looks forward to all the changes you're going to make when you read what fills 2 books about 1/2 to 3/4 inches thick. I've looked at them at the Museum, but only to the glancing level. Rob says you'll be blown away by the contents and I think he doesn't want to spoil it for you as he knows what is on the wiki page! We are getting an appointment to the private collector who holds several paintings and Shaw's Book of the Farm (facsimile thru Museum, which is what we used!). And when the dust settles, I'll haul out my Victorian houses of Ferndale and finish the pages for the historic homes/buildings to go with the photos. For the Alford House I have to get it when no one is home as their driveway completely obscures the facade with cars.Ellin Beltz (talk) 06:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

NRHP userbox[edit]

I appropriated your NRHP userbox for my user page. Hope ya don't mind. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 14:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Freedom suits DYK[edit]

Thanks for your quick review, comments and suggestion – I like your ALT hook; knew mine was awkward but couldn't figure it out. Could you add your signature to your review? Thanks.Parkwells (talk) 01:04, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey, Smallbones, thanks for your suggestions on this article. I'm reviewing the Martin Delany material now and would need more before being able to write about his mother's case. Am trying to quickly review an early bio on him. The Amistad is unusual, as the events occurred at sea. Will review it.Parkwells (talk) 18:54, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

While The Amistad Case lede says the case influenced succeeding laws in the US, the article doesn't address that issue at all. I might use it if the precedent were more clear. Have not yet found anything more substantive on Pati Delany asserting freedom in Winchester, VA. Thanks again for your suggestions. Parkwells (talk) 18:02, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Philadelphia Meetup[edit]

Because of a lack of specifics, you and I and user:piotrus are the three likely attendees for a Philadelphia meetup. I learn from visiting the hotel that they charge $9.95 per day for WiFi for guests, but there are two free Internet computers in the lobby for guests to use. Not much help there. My suggestions would be that we, plus anyone else we can recruit with specifics, meet in the lobby of the hotel on Friday or Saturday evening at 6 PM and go on to another place for dinner. Which evening, depending on your ESS attendance, would be better for you? I will look for some restaurant choices in walking distance, but some of them are very expensive. Let me know what you prefer. By posting specifics on the Philadelphia project page, we may find others to attend.

Above is what I posted to Piotrus. Can we agree on Saturday, 6 PM, lobby of the Society Hill Sheraton at 1 Dock Street? --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:43, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Philadelphia to sign up for the Mini-Meetup Saturday. --DThomsen8 (talk) 19:10, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Historic Places in Humboldt County -> Ferndale[edit]

As you requested, today I added the pix to the other 6 places on this page National Register of Historic Places listings in Humboldt County, California but I think I messed up making the category over in Wikipedia Commons as the capitalization of "Ferndale,_ca" seems wierd. If you can help, that would be great!! I will try to get some of the other ones missing in the county as time permits! Tuesday Ann Roberts at the Museum is going to work with me on the Shaw articles and other points of local interest. Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:17, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Continuing to add photos and work on the pages for Historic Buildings in Ferndale, I did three pages and only on the third one, something weird happened. I got hit with a automated web bot that claimed copyright violation from this page on the page I just wrote A._Berding_House. I took the tag off, left a comment on discussion page. Is there anything else I should do? I don't see anything substantive on the page they claimed I copied!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 09:04, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Yes, long term goal is to do all the buildings on that page, I'm going in alphabetical order Ferndale first, then those in Eureka and finally Arcata as the latter is a good 45 minutes one-way drive from here and it's winter. I have appointment today with lady who owns Stephen Shaw's self-portrait painting to photograph it for Wiki, she's his fourth generation descendant and invited me over after she read the wiki. After that a few more houses, I think I have all the materials needed to provide the basic frameworks. And yes, I wish I could encourage others to edit for Wiki from here. Ann or Bob Roberts would be awesome, they've collected and collated so much material over the years! Plus the whole town is a living museum; with over 100 Victorians, many in near perfect original condition. The house next door to mine is the carbon copy of the Andreasen house and mine is the "wedding cottage" for the big house. Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:43, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Chester County (section 2)[edit]

Congrats on finishing the illustrations for the Eastern Chester County list! I'm gradually working away at the lists for the counties that include Indianapolis and Cincinnati, but it's slow going: I'm only able to be in Cincinnati every few months, and I never have more than a couple hours at a time in Indianapolis. Per your comment at the Ker Feal picture — I had the same just last week with the Thomas Askren House in Indianapolis (File:Thomas Askren House.jpg), and my photo of Elm Court in Butler, Pennsylvania isn't any better. And thanks for the library notice :-) Nyttend (talk) 02:36, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I was looking at your userbox and wondered why it gave such a funny result; have you considered asking at the Help Desk? Anyway, I just visited the last of the nineteen Wyoming, Ohio sites — I'd been working on them since August of 2009, and they're all prominent buildings (mostly houses) within easy walking distance of each other. Nyttend (talk) 06:12, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Please Peer Review Institute of Chartered Accountants of India[edit]

I have recently nominated Institute of Chartered Accountants of India for peer review. I humbly request you to peer review the article. R.Sivanesh 15:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


Thank you very much for getting the photo of the one Wawa building! It's so beautiful! I posted the image to the Wawa article and the Chesterfield Heights article.

I would like to have the photo of the "ugly" entrance too, for the Commons.

If any of these are convenient to you, see if you can fulfill: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Philadelphia#Photo_requests (SCI Graterford, Genuardi's HQ, Acme Markets HQ)

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 05:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

  • BTW if you have or are willing to take the Corporate University, and the Wawa Dairy processing building – those would be great as well :) WhisperToMe (talk) 05:43, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


I appreciate and agree with your concerns about having too many images for the Wawa page – I actually suspected that was a prime reason you removed it in the first place. However, I'm not sure the logo should be one to go; I'd rather see some of the pictures of carafes or beverages get trimmed, if it's necessary. As far as I can tell, its placement conforms to WP:Logo, as the caption notes that it's still in use (though a citation confirming that might be good), and its historical place is clearly noted.

If you want to remove it again, I won't contest it. I just hate to cut out information. --Xanzzibar (talk) 10:03, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Snowstorms, etc.[edit]

McCarter's book Louis I. Kahn has a list of all of Kahn's works, and it includes this brief mention of some prefab houses that might be the ones you are looking for: "William H. Harman Corporation Prefabricated Houses. 420 Pickering Road, Charlestown, Chester Country, PA, and Rosedale Avenue and New Street, West Chester, PA. Stonorov & Kahn (Stonorov principle architect), 1945-7, implemented (some demolition)."

I found a photo of a Harmon (misspelled) house in another state on Flickr. Maybe that would give you a more concrete image of what to look for. However, it looks like one of the houses has been relocated, per this Preservation Alliance document.

Oddly enough, several years ago I was invited to dinner in a small all-stainless-steel house that was built during the same era some distance south of Pittsburgh, but that one had a different design. I remember the owners saying that the only way to hang pictures on the wall was to use magnets. Everything was made of stainless steel.

Thanks for the advice about GA, etc. I have already nominated the Phillips Exeter Academy Library for GA, so now I am waiting to see exactly what that process involves.

And yes, I might like to do some work on Stonorov at some point, but that would be some time out in the future. Bilpen (talk) 23:43, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Washington County Courthouse (Pennsylvania)[edit]

Look at Washington County Courthouse (Pennsylvania) and rate it as a NRHP article, please. --DThomsen8 (talk) 23:21, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


Just wanted to say that I did not mean to offend you (and hope I did not) and that I apologize for any offense I may have caused (and I myself was not and am not offended). Spring is coming, so hopefully I can get some more good latrine pictures to put on Commons soon! ;-) Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 20:12, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks – I can be quite silly, but did not want to offend. ;-) Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:58, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Johnson County, Iowa[edit]

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National Register of Historic Places >> Humboldt County[edit]

I added several photos I found wandering Wikipedia and Commons to National Register of Historic Places listings in Humboldt County, California as well as five new photos that I took (complete with categories), including the Indian Island marker from the end of the harbor docks. Hope you're enjoying the books on Ferndale, the folks at the Museum are intrigued. Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Little Book of Common Sense Investing[edit]

Thanks for your note. You're welcome to improve Little Book of Common Sense Investing. I'm sure you'll be able to bring it up to standards.   Will Beback  talk  01:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

File:Vanna Venturi House Postage Stamp 2005.jpg listed for deletion[edit]

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Vanna Venturi House Postage Stamp 2005.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. ww2censor (talk) 05:45, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

List of bridges on the National Register of Historic Places in Pennsylvania[edit]

Sounds good to me. Could also spit by type (covered bridges, tunnels, etc). Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:29, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I would help with the bridges too, but am also swamped. The Evans book lists all historic covered bridges in PA – the index is viewable free on Amaxon here. I do not own it myself, but get it from libraries. Seth sounds quite the character – will try to read the article here in the next several days. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:26, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Reading a lecture[edit]

Hi Smallbones. I've consulted with my wife, who also has a PhD, as it happens in English Literature, which is useful for this question! In Australia we do not use, and to her knowledge, have never used constructions of the type "The professor read the lecture", except in the purely literal sense, i.e., where the professor simply read the lecture aloud from notes. She believes the same situation applies to the British. However, in Britain, they say "to read for a degree" meaning "to study for a degree". My wife suggests this could be a source of the confusion. AussieBoy (talk) 04:24, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Pennsylvania pictures[edit]

I like your picture of Brookville. I will send you an email from my gmail account. Dincher (talk) 21:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

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Dincher (talk) 21:48, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I received your email the other day. The ideas sound pretty good. I haven't had a chance to really read it closely or reply, but I will tomorrow. Dincher (talk) 23:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Seth Kinman[edit]

I read the article and can see where it already addresses some of his reliabilty issues. I guess that as long as it was clear that the quotes were from his autobiography and if any other info on the lack of collaboration (from the intro or foreword of the new edition of his autobiography) were included, I think it would be OK. Is there a lot of material to add that is only in his autobiography? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:44, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I can see adding some sort of Background section right after the lead in the Kinman article that describes his autobiography and the fact that we have only his word for many of the stories about his life. Could probably note there too that many contemporary sources seem to closely follow his stories from his autobiography. Then in the article itself, there could be a mix of reliable sources and Kinman tales. Then in the article I would do more of what is already there – report what Kinman says, but note where others contradict him. Is the Further reading on the Lost history something that would help here? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
I looked on WorldCat and it was in the journal "Now and Then" of the Muncy Historical Society. I have looked up articles in this journal before and can probably find this one – check your email. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I really like your edits so far on Kinman from your new sources !! I photographed his old tavern on Table Bluff, his house over towards Hookton Slough outside of Table Bluff and his final resting place in Table Bluff. Would you like any of these photos? Would be very easy for you to email me if so! Google is your friend. Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:19, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I like your Chester County photos[edit]

So I wrote you an article to go with one of them. (I'll see what I can do about Oakdale sometime...I might be able to get a rear shot to fill that gap.) Choess (talk) 03:33, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Now nominated for DYK. (Plus I needed to shore up the statement that Col. Potts's attachment to the furnace was sentimental in nature, so I wound up scouring the Google News Archives search and pulled out some useful material.) Honestly, most of my sources came from beating around in Google Books and on the web on search strings like "Isabella Furnace"+Potts (to filter out the Pittsburgh Isabella). More material came out as I hunted for the names of individual ironmasters. (The Potts family genealogy is quite convoluted, and a surprising number of them were ironmasters—a lot of the ironmaking in eastern Pennsylvania was done "in families", like the Grubb Family Iron Dynasty, the Colemans, Brookes, Smiths, etc.) That was what pulled out the data about the less-than-successful Irey, for instance. HABS was an obvious source from the photograph you posted; most of the archival material (HSP, PA State Archives) turned up in Google web searches; I'm close to the Hagley, so I knew about their Iron and Steel collection; and I often turn to the Hexamer surveys for railroad/industrial data around the Philadelphia area ~1890. Rounded out with a few iron and railroad books from my personal collection, and there you have it. What really thrilled me, besides getting a complete plan of the furnace from the Hexamer Survey so that I could identify buildings, was finding that photo in MacElree's book on Google Books and realizing it was PD so I could upload it. I think it conveys perfectly the aesthetic of slow decay associated with the furnace post-1943.
I haven't tried the new PHMC site. Looks like they managed to build it about 5 years obsolete. Well, there's state government for you (I work for one, too, nowadays).
Brandywine Manor is, technically speaking, the crossroads of Routes 82 and 322. In practice, Elverson probably makes more sense; that area's Elverson PO nowadays. (If we really wanted to be technical, we could say "Wyebrooke," but that's not even on the maps nowadays.)
I'd be interested in discussing FAC, but I'll leave another message later. Choess (talk) 05:56, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Vermont counties[edit]

Thank you for your edits to Vermont counties. I removed some of the information you just added to four (looking for fifth) counties. The county list is in the navbox at the bottom. The huge list of all towns in Vermont seems inordinate to a casual reader of one Vermont county. Historic places is a good addition. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 17:29, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I keep finding you ...[edit]

... doing good works all over Wikipedia. Thank you for the photograph you added to St. Michael's, Birdboro. It helps the article a lot! BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:47, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I like the Stirling Calder Celtic Cross photo you added to Chippiannock Cemetery. Do you happen to know whose grave it is or the year? A while ago, you asked about suggestions for photographs. I could find no interiors of Philadelphia City Hall, especially the Mayor's Reception Room. (I started a page on decorator George Herzog.) Thanks for all you do. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:00, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Boy, are you thorough! I'll add the names to the pages. The reason I asked, is there's a very similar Celtic Cross by Stirling Calder in a Camden, NJ cemetery.[2] Thanks again. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Sanatoga Road[edit]

Just a suggestion — why don't you just find the site on the map version of the CRGIS? If you turn all the layers on, it will show you locations for all NR sites whose location is publicised, as well as tons of others that aren't on the Register. Nyttend (talk) 23:10, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Good work; thanks for letting me know. I'd love to live in Pennsylvania, but I have to finish my grad program first and then find a college or university that's hiring a librarian...anyway, my dream would be the Pittsburgh area, which I love, rather than farther east, which I can't truthfully say that I love for the very simple reason that I've never been there and thus can't have any solid opinions about the area. Okay, I guess I can say that the concentration of historic sites appeals to me, but I think there are other (and more important) considerations to have when choosing where to live :-) Nyttend (talk) 03:43, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
My Pennsylvania Atlas and Gazetteer shows this riverbend as being clearly within East Coventry Township — if you take a line from the easternmost point of the county's river shoreline to the westernmost point, it's right in the middle. See File:Map of Chester County Pennsylvania With Municipal and Township Labels.png for another map. I've fixed the coords and the township location on the list article. Thanks for the work! Nyttend (talk) 04:53, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Ferndale Museum Page[edit]

Hi again, Smallbones!! Hope the new Ferndale Museum is GLAM-happy. Looking forward to your comments, we found significantly more than a couple of out of area newspapers for sources. True to form, I screwed up at least one thing, the page sorts "Ferndale museum" on the Category pages, I wish it said "Ferndale Museum" with a capital M. Do you know how to fix that? With best wishes, Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:49, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Yes, thank you for fixing the mystery "M" problem; sorry to be heavy on the most notable exhibit in the place, but there is not a single page on wiki that explains the history of those seismographs, there is a page on Fusakichi Omori on a French wiki but not in English and there is nothing on Bosch that I can find on wiki either, so I had to explain all of it, not just reference other pages. And I didn't run out of references to it, I just stopped using them. Before nuclear testing this was one of only eight seismographs on the entire coast of U.S. and gave tsunami warning by telegraph for large tremors. I did collect enough material on Omori that plus reading a book on my Amazon wishlist, I could do a reasonable page on him in future when I run out of actual Ferndale pages. As for the rest of what they have, it's all internal "off their webpage." I really pillaged the sources and looked at other local history museums wiki pages in California seeking ideas on what else to do. Maybe the GLAM people have ideas? I didn't want to load it up with stuff copied from the Museum's website, people can find/read that on their own. It was fun. I've always admired that old machine, to know that it's the only one still working in the world that we know of (and I can't find a citation for that, yet, but there is no other listing for one active) makes it extra special. I'll write a friend at USGS who works in quakes and see if he has more info on them. Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:19, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello Smallbones. I was recently at the Ferndale Museum as a volunteer, I spoke with the director at length about getting more information about the museum's collections onto Wiki. They are enthusiastic now about the possibilities, the museum is interested in creating a online gallery of items from their collection that can be used to help illustrate relavent topics, and to allow access to their archives for research for those articles or others. I have permission to photograph items from their collection for wiki and the museum, specifically we discussed licensing and the museum is agreeable to my photographs being released with CC BY-SA with attribution to the museum. Inparticular we discussed photographing the Kinman artifacts out of glass as a starting point. User:Ellin Beltz mentioned you would be the one to ask for help getting the Ferndale Museum started with a GLAM-Wikimedia collaboration as I am a bit overwhelmed presently with how to begin.Nytasi (talk) 23:06, 3 June 2011 (UTC) Looking forward to hearing from you when you have the time. I have a few photos from last week I'd like to upload soon as I know the proper way to send attribution to the museum for them. I've been reading through the GLAM pages but they are a bit on the vague side and i'm not sure which existing project to contact about joining or if a project specific to the museum needs to be created an then linked to the relative project categories. Nytasi (talk) 19:26, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Oldest buildings in NJ[edit]

Made a shift w/ what seems a good ref. Think the list is pretty reliable though it's a little all over the place (ie critria). Thanks alot for the fotos you've added to it and elsewhere. Always interested in expanding articles, and as you noticed most if by work is concentrated in the Port of New York and New Jersey, but hist/geo in general. Anything in particluar that you are working on? Djflem (talk) 20:33, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Great photos[edit]

I really like the pics you added to Conrad Weiser Homestead and Hopewell Furnace National Historic Site – nice job and thanks, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again. I know of French Creek State Park from the state park articles and of Hopewell Furnace from that. I hope I can write more articles and take more pictures soon, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:27, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Duffy's Cut[edit]

Interesting photos...I especially like the one of the AEM-7. I was not aware of that bit of history. What museum did you go to to get photos of the artifacts? ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 22:36, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

I've heard of the P&C (part of the reason for the construction of the Strasburg RR, which by the way I'm planning on expanding sometime soon), but nothing about mass graves on it. I wonder if the cut could evenutally be listed on the NRHP as an archeological site. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 00:58, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, there are far more inaccessible sites on the NRHP. If you felt like you could always try to nominate it yourself (that's something I would like to try to do over the summer for some other sites). ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 01:30, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Help moving an image to Commons[edit]

Hi again, Smallbones, sorry to be a newb-pest again, but I would like to move this image


over to commons, but it's not really clear how one does that !! If you have any help, that would be great, I've been finding and organizing the commons images for Humboldt County into the tree structure they recommend. This building would go in "Category:Houses_in_Eureka,_California" on commons. I also added photo of Old Jacoby School (nearly impossible to get any facade angle on it without a Huge Lens & a considerable distance but I snagged it) to the National Register page for Humboldt County. As soon as the weather breaks I'm hoping to finish that list! Thanks again for all your help, it is most appreciated !! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:34, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Noticed the query, took care of it by adding {{Now Commons}}. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 22:41, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Smallbones (talk) 22:42, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


1. About SAP: Thanks in advance :) 2. The USA300 website here:

"Head Office Mailing Address USA3000 Airlines 335 Bishop Hollow Rd Newtown Square, PA 19073"

I'm going by the address that it says on the website

Also Apple Vacations states:

WhisperToMe (talk) 00:26, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much for taking the photos! :) WhisperToMe (talk) 05:26, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Moravian Sun Inn[edit]

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Christian C. Sanderson Museum[edit]

I stumbled upon the Christian C. Sanderson Museum in the course of updating Pennsylvania templates, and I made some improvements. However, there is more work to be done, and I thought that this is the kind of material that you like to see. There is source information on the talk page, and of course photos are always welcome. --DThomsen8 (talk) 11:46, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Fixing dashes[edit]

I have been using a script that fixes dashes where needed, Take a look at the history of this page, and you will see what it does.

New Humboldt County Landmark pages[edit]

Would appreciate your review of Prairie Creek Fish Hatchery. I think I may be getting the hang of the inline citation method you prefer, and the story of that place, its fish and its art were certainly interesting to nail down. It's almost easier to work in the 18th Century where newspapers have been put online and books available to read at the LC, than in the recent ... 1930s to present. Work continues apace on the other historical buildings in Humboldt; I don't like to leave tiny stubs unless there really is little to no information. I wish the NPS would finish digitizing all the register applications. BTW, I can get a photo of Kinman's buckskins at the Museum, would that be something useful to add to his Commons page? Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Also completed Ferndale Public Library tonight. I think I have a nice complete infobox on it and I will go back and check the old ones I did before to make sure they're as correct as possible.Ellin Beltz (talk) 07:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

notice re NRHP topic ban proposal[edit]

Hi Smallbones. You stated in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Archive 47#just do it by bot now that you would support/participate in development of Grand Forks County, North Dakota articles, as part of the article drive using /drafts as starters. Thank you for that, back then. Your bearing witness, as you see fit, at WP:AN#Topic ban proposal re NRHP stubs would be most welcome right now. --doncram 11:52, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


Do you mean Commons:Category:Wildwoods Shore Resort Historic District? No complaints about your efforts; look at Commons:Category:Historic districts in Bloomington, Indiana, and you'll see that I've photographed every building in many NR-listed districts and that I've gotten tons of photos of districts that don't appear in National Register of Historic Places listings in Monroe County, Indiana. I can sympathise with "uploading them was not": you can imagine how much work it was to upload over three hundred photos that are in the West Side HD category — and I missed a lot of garages and other little outbuildings, so I've got another hundred photos left!

Is there anything I can put together to help you? I notice that you've not added photographs-remaining lists to the Indiana counties' talk pages that have U.S. Route 30 as you did in Ohio; e.g., Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Marshall County, Indiana doesn't have a list like Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Richland County, Ohio does. My advice to you is not to bother: I've compiled a list for each county at the subpages of User:Nyttend/Indiana NRHP, and each list has coords for all sites that have coords in the mainspace lists. I remove an entry once I get a photo of it, but I've not photographed any sites in this part of the state. I'd love to be able to take a photo trip, but I spent most of my trip-taking time on a visit to western Pennsylvania a week and a half ago (perhaps you saw the new photos on List of Native American archaeological sites on the National Register of Historic Places in Pennsylvania), and right now I'm even having trouble finding the time to get to Vincennes, just two counties away from here: I had time last week, but I'd really rather not take a photo trip when it's storming violently :-)

A few final things — (1) I can't remember where, but I recently saw something about at least one Denver location that might be listed on the Register very soon. I'll try to find it, but if I can't get it, you might be wise to try to figure out what/where it is. (2) You spoke some time back about trying to meet Ammodramus; have you gotten that worked out? (3) Enjoy your trip! Nyttend (talk) 23:01, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

If you're still in Denver, please try to get over to the former Saint Philomena Catholic Parish School at 940 Fillmore Street, east of downtown in the Capitol Hill neighborhood: it's in today's recent listings. Nyttend (talk) 11:57, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the response; if you look at the Northeast Denver list, you'll see that Sanfranman just added it. There are some photos on Flickr; the author has licensed them cc-by-nc-nd, but I've sent her a request for a licensing change, emphasizing the fact that her photo would let us have a picture for every site in Denver. Curious about your comment at File:Ogallala Gas Station.JPG — EXIF says you took it at 11:27 AM on a Wednesday, so shouldn't the 9-5 M-F workers be working there? Looking forward to your new photos for Richland County, Ohio and Laramie County, Wyoming. Nyttend (talk) 23:19, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Doing another Denver trip[edit]

Enjoy the trip through Nebraska. I've left you plenty to shoot: in particular, I've barely touched Lincoln County, and haven't hit Keith County at all. There are a few sites left in Deuel and Cheyenne counties as well.

Regret that I can't meet you somewhere in Nebraska and stand you a beer or the like; but I'm currently in South Carolina chasing Bachman's Sparrow.

--Ammodramus (talk) 21:54, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Nice set of pictures. I've just been looking at some of the shots from Hall County and from Sidney. I especially liked the one of Liederkranz in Grand Island: I'd been hoping to hit that early in the morning, with the sun north of east. Judging by the shadows, you went through there in the evening and caught the sun north of west. Ammodramus (talk) 18:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Wow, nice pictures that I didn't see. I was offline for a few days (driving from SC back to Nebr), and by the time I got online today, your addition to "NRHP in Buffalo Co" had dropped off my watchlist. Glad you got Harmon Park—since it's so close to my place, I've been waiting for perfect conditions, which probably never would've come. (Want to go back there for more shots, though: in particular, the Sonotorium and Natatorium were designed by a local firm that did a lot of great Art Deco in Nebraska.)
Sympathize re. wagon ruts. There's a site in Hall County that I'd like to try to hit, but every time I've been there, the ruts have been either (a) out of sight under snow, or (b) out of sight under tall grass. There's another one in Butler County, where the ruts are on a hillslope on private land; I'm not sure whether what I'm seeing from the road is Oregon Trail wagon-ruts or 2011 pickup ruts, and I'm reluctant to photograph them until I know what I'm photographing.
If you're interested in working up articles on some of the Nebraska sites, and haven't found it yet, let me call your attention to the Nebraska State Historical Society's Nebraska National Register Sites webpage. For many of the counties, they've got the nom forms online (though I see that they don't have Harmon Park up yet). Unfortunately, I don't expect to be around Kearney very much over the next few months, which limits my ability to collaborate by seeking out print sources locally. I'm also currently at work on a cluster of non-NRHP articles, which is taking up a lot of my research time. However, if you're working on Buffalo County articles, let me know and I'll do what I can; in particular, drop me a line if there's a particular aspect of a building that you'd like photographed. (If you're working on an article in userspace, let me know if it's OK to edit there, or if you'd rather that I made suggestions on the talk page and let you decide how to incorporate them.)
--Ammodramus (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

South Jersey, sort of[edit]

This may not be your cup of tea, but I am working on this article that could use more and better fotos. User:Djflem/List of tallest buildings in Atlantic City. Since it's a sort of your neck of the woods, if your heading there ever, the list could use some nice pictchas. Let me know if/when you go to Newark or JC, maybe some suggestions Djflem (talk) 23:37, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Greetings again from the HumCo Newb[edit]

Working on the Ferndale Museum page about Bosch-Omori seismographs, I found there wasn't an article about their inventor Fusakichi Omori so I started one. I had no idea he was so important in the early days of seismology, a mere 100 years ago. I got brave (bold?) and put it on today's DYK list. If you have comments, I'd be glad of them, I've incorporated 95% of all your previous comments in other articles !! Thanks for your time and guidance to a newb! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:59, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Only 95% because the other 5% is on my "to-do" list!!! Prose huh? I was always better at "just the facts ma'am" but will take another slide thru it. Someone pointed out I forgot to identify the fault as the San Andreas (whoops!) and there's a couple other little add-ons. Thanks for all your support!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:52, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Mass Killings under Communism article[edit]

I apologize - I do not understand the rules of the article. I was unaware that consensus had to be achieved before making edits. I did not realize that there were specific rules for the article. I will try and build consensus before making edits. Jacob Peters (talk) 04:50, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Banned (my perception, disruptive ultra-pro-Soviet ultra-pro-Communist with a capital "C") editor. PЄTЄRS J V TALK 15:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)


You're pics are of amazing quality!! Good job!! you have the exact address for Black's Store so I can be sure to take a picture of the correct building. CTJF83 20:43, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

QR code[edit]

Eureka Carnegie Library[edit]

The quite unofficial project to wikify Humboldt County buildings and people continues and I have enlisted a new contributor who is quite adept at adding images and prodding me to look up stuff about our local buildings. I just added some material to Eureka's Carnegie Library and as always appreciate your help!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 06:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Indented line Thanks for the welcome. I'm still just trying to figure things out. I only recently acquired my first digital camera and Ellin challenged me to help fill in the blanks on Humboldt landmarks and historical places while I learn how to use it. It is an interesting exercise, and good practice. Hopefully I don't make too many mistakes on the upload info. Nytasi (talk) 21:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I have since gained more faith in Wikipedia[edit]

I didn't think this would be resolved one way or another, even by 24 May 2011, but there it is. Here's your Choco chip cookie.jpg! -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Mary Hood Photo[edit]

Thank you, Smallbones. I think you were right and that MoonLichen was being funny, not sincere. The day that I responded to her, I had been quite stressed with something else. At any rate, thank you! Is there any way to remove the tag under the photo as it currently stands. Carsonmc (talk) 17:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Philly + Sea Foam![edit]

Hi! So great to meet you at GLAMcamp!! It was awesome, and I'm so happy you came out. That's so cool that you used my Sea Foam photo - I think that is the first photo of my work that someone (other than me) has uploaded =) I also love to take photos of historic buildings and places, you might find more on my FLickr (I have two) accounts. Also, yes, Philly, we can work on a list. I'll start one soon; after I do some other things (i.e. GLAMcamp documentation, a school paper etc). Perhaps I can even come up some weekend and take photos =) SarahStierch (talk) 04:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

QRpedia codes[edit]

Hi, I'm told you showed some interest in NY Victuallers (talk) 08:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

QRpedia codes[edit]

Have you tried putting "QR Codes" and "wikipedia" into Youtube. You should find a very poor quality video made in Derrby Museums that shows these working. As I guess you speak a bit of Russian you might also like to search for "The Wright Challenge" where we are crowd courcing the 300 (so far) translations we need to make a small museum multi-lingual.

I think QR codes will be great for public art and our qrwp web site can track them for you I think. I think this will make stuff in the street become worthwhile and valued when people realise there is a history there. Im now sad I didnt go to NY to meet you lot. The QR codes are to be used in Spain too. Could we start the first multi-lingual wiki WR project? Victuallers (talk) 16:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

This is a major league delightful notion. I immediately thought of outdoors, of my printing a small poster with QR, jigsaw globe and "W" and sticking it up near any park statue and on any building that has an article. Alas, that would put me in the same fix as any piratical bill poster, and perhaps reflect badly on Wikipedia. Besides, articled places are necessarily prominent, and their owners tend to be attentive about grafitti and unauthorized posters, and they would soon catch on and decide that a QR code on the wall, if any, should lead to their official site rather than Wikipedia. So, yeah, far as I see it has to be a matter of working with park officials to add a QR to the official sign, and talking with restaurants and churches and museums and otherwise cooperating with whatever authorities are relevant. Drat; direct actions, ie unprovoked and unilateral acts of public education, are so much more fun to think about. Jim.henderson (talk) 16:00, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
User:Dschwen, National Center for Supercomputing Applications for reference only


I decided to take advantage of a weekend visiting friends up at Purdue; I suppose I'm odd, an IU-Bloomington student who enjoys visiting West Lafayette :-) By the way, I've also gotten the Harrison County list completed from a different trip, and the Lafayette trip yielded a couple more photos for Montgomery County, many more photos for Putnam County, and photos for all five sites in Benton County. Yes, there aren't any federally-designated HDs in downtown West Lafayette, although the Tippecanoe County Interim Report (which has no statutory power) notes several areas in the city that are likely eligible for HD status. I try to get photos for all sites in a county, even for ones that have already been photographed, so I got a photo of the bank in case it ever gets listed. If you look at the Interim Report, you'll see the bank discussed on pages 26 and 47; it received an "Outstanding" rating, which means that the surveying agency (Indiana Landmarks) thought that it should be considered for NR listing. This doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to happen; the Crawford County Interim Report (which isn't online) has plenty of O-rated buildings, but the county's only site is the address-restricted Potts Creek Rockshelter Archeological Site. Nyttend (talk) 01:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

By the way, about QR codes: the reason I've not commented (and likely the reason others haven't) is that I simply don't understand it very well at all. Nyttend (talk) 12:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Black's Store[edit]

Hope this is ok for you File:Black's Store Hampton IL.jpg. Hmm, I coulda done a turned view like on the copyright one you linked me to and I need to work on my framing the picture up...but was working, and didn't think about it and had to hurry. :) CTJF83 04:32, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem, let me know if you need more Quad City pics. CTJF83 16:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Another question[edit]

In researching the Indian Island (Humboldt Bay) and the 3 pages that have parts of the story, I also found that the Wiyot people page has a lengthy report on 1860 Wiyot Massacre. I would like to combine information from the Wiyot page with the massacre page, leaving a paragraph of explanation and a link to the event page. Is there something I need to do first? Like the "Merge" templates for merging whole pages? I don't want to make any mistakes. Thank you again for all your help, with best wishes! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

QRpedia update[edit]

Thanks for the update. If you are interested then I would use a QRpedia code because

  • it loads on your phone much faster,
  • The code can be smaller (because the QR code is simpler)
  • you can get stats on who used the code rather than looking at articles stats *and it does the language trick if you have multilingual interest.

I don't think you will get much traffic, but then how many people read the average brass plaque each day ... but a lot of value when they do.

Oh and if you do find the QRpedia code better than do tell people. 35mm is the recommended size for QR codes but inside I find you can use QRpedia codes half the size, behind glass, obscured, 12 inches away AND badly lit and still read it.

You do know we can give you a java script that adds a "make QRpedia" code button to every wikipedia page .... but do use until then Victuallers (talk) 15:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

One South Broad[edit]

I noted your post on User BillFlis talk page about One South Broad and I looked at the NRHP forms you linked to and it does appear One South Broad is a part of this historic district. The Wanamaker Building does not appear on the list you provided though 1 South Broad does. Mentions of Wanamaker's appears to relate to 1 South Broad. Are buildings part of a historic district usually mentioned in the building's article? Medvedenko (talk) 19:42, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I cleaned up the images you placed, thanks! Do you have the ability to take pictures in Philadelphia easily? There are several skyscraper pages that need images of the buildings, and the pictures you took of One South Broad were good. (I replaced the main image with the older one because I believe pictures looking down or "eye level" with a building are better ways to illustrate a skyscraper.) Medvedenko (talk) 17:37, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Davenport Pics[edit]

Hey, just wondering if you had more pics of Davenport you were going to upload? I know you have lots and lots, I saw the ones you uploaded the other day. I just wanna make sure yours are all uploaded before I go out and take pics. CTJF83 17:36, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, sounds good...and I doubt you did a poor job on any of your pics...from what I've seen of your others. CTJF83 21:27, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
LMFAO!!!! Wow, I can't believe the bar I've been to hundreds of times over 8 years is a historical building! Wow, who'd a thought it. I can't believe it didn't click, since the former gay restaurant, right next door, is 811 W. 2nd. WOW! I'm gonna go to the library and see if I can find pics in the books of town down buildings, otherwise I suppose an empty lot is better than no pic. CTJF83 11:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Atlantic City[edit]

Fantastic! It really adds so much to the list. Great work, some great shots. Thanks for all your work.Djflem (talk) 20:41, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

SS State of Pennsylvania[edit]

Interesting, I added an Infobox Ship and merged the NRHP infobox into it. Feel free to add any other measurements/statistics you find to int. By the way, if the ship was scrapped, should the coordinates even be given for it as the boat can no longer can be found at those coordinates (or anywhere for that matter). Also, any thoughts on a DYK? ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 00:52, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Presumably, an ocean-going ship has to be taller to avoid being swamped by large waves and rough seas and be larger to carry the necessary provisions and fuel for a long journey at sea. Consider that the Titanic, a vastly larger ship, also had a passenger capacity of 3,500.
An idea for DYK:
The part about the radio broadcast is not in the article yet, but I can add it later. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 16:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Marven Gardens[edit]

The Monopoly game category isn't supposed to be for the individual streets that happen to be named on a Monopoly board. Not a single other street from the regular game board (not Boardwalk, not Park Place, not any other street whatsoever) was or is being filed in that category — the only streets that were listed in that category, which I also removed, were a very incomplete and partial subset of roads named on a couple of the alternative versions (i.e. Canadian, British), and there's no real reason why Marven Gardens should be the only street from the regular board that gets that kind of special treatment. Bearcat (talk) 03:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Michener Museum[edit]

Always willing to help and I hope my comments/tips did not come off as WP:BITE. The editor in question seems to be listening somewhat to his/her talk page. The only problem is the edit history at James A. Michener Art Museum is not showing that, we now have a new SPA reverting back the questionable edits (diff) as well as expanding the article (hopefully this is just a well meaning meatpuppet, if not, the editor in question is heading for an ANI report). I am willing to take any advice you have to give, and will hold on any drastic action in lieu of some consensus/guidance on how to handle it. Ohioartdude2 (talk) 02:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Road Up Raritan Historic District[edit]

Seemed to have been a positive response to the Atlantic City work, again thanks. Here's another article that I've put together (that can likely later be split), if you're in the neighborhood. Best, Djflem (talk) 09:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: PAW[edit]

Dear Smallbones,

Thank you,

Thanks for uploading photos of historic homes along Park Avenue West (PAW) and listing them into the Richland County NRHP list.

I though about taking some pictures of historic homes along PAW, but I was afraid to. I was afraid that someone living in those homes would see me taking the picture. My grandmother lives in an historic home along PAW. Thanks so much for doing that for me since I was not able to.

I was able to get out after sunrise on July 11, 2011 to take the picture of the Mechanics Bank building because the weather was good, there was no traffic on the road and no people walking or sitting around that area at the time. That made it easy on me to get a better image of the Mechanics Bank.

I plan to get out one day here when the weather is good to get some more pictures of places in Bellville, Lexington and Plymouth for the NRHP list in Richland County, Ohio.

All the best,

OHWiki (talk) 01:07, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I will have to check in to that one, you might be right on 365 Park Ave. W., they might have torn the Pacific Curios Antiques place down years ago, but I will have to check that one out sometime when I'm up that way.
I don't understand why the Springfield Township School at 3560 Park Ave. W. (PAW) in Ontario is still listed on the National Register of Historic Places listings in Richland County, Ohio. The school no longer exist anymore. It was torn down in 2007 to make way for the Park Meadows Senior Apartments. OHWiki (talk) 01:51, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
The NRHP can take a decade or more to catch up with torn down buildings. Nobody usually tells them about it (except sometimes Wikipedians). We "normally" take a picture of the replacement building or the empty lot for use in the NRHP county list. I put normally in quotes because it can sometimes seem a bit abnormal. On a recent trip to NYC I told my wife early one morning "I'm going to take a photo of a clock that's not there." It's perhaps most frightening that she understood what I meant. Smallbones (talk) 02:00, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

image rescue squadron[edit]

hi, check it out. User:Slowking4/Image Rescue Squadron Slowking4: 7@1|x 17:40, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

hi, again i noticed that Pan American Union (building) is a NRHP but as a subsection box at Organization of American States. something for me to get around to, but if you beat me to it, that would be great. Slowking4: 7@1|x 17:43, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
stub done, but comments gratefully accepted. Slowking4: 7@1|x 15:57, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

List of covered bridges on the National Register of Historic Places in Pennsylvania[edit]

The article looks great - thanks so much for taking the time and effort to make this list. I fixed a red link and looked for some free images on Flickr (but found none for the first several bridges I checked). Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:05, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Stephen Decatur Button[edit]

Your terrific Cape May photos inspired me to finally start a Stephen Decatur Button article. Thanks. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

I just noticed the article 5 minutes ago. I'd been thinking of doing something along the same line for awhile, but as usual laziness has gotten to me. I may add a pic of the Mickle Street House. There's a HABS building in Charleston, SC. Maybe (not) a quote from Thomas's book on Furness essentially saying that Button wasn't in the same league as Furness ... Thanks. Smallbones (talk) 15:38, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the 1892 profile. Looking at your Cape May pics, I was struck by how some of the post-1878-fire houses look antebellum (especially the Evans and Knight houses). I don't know if these were rebuilds, the clients' preferences, or if Button was being deliberately retrograde. If it's the last, parts of Cape May could be considered a 19th-century version of Seaside, Florida. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:42, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Off to NYC, then the beach again. Part of it has to be that the owners now paint up and stress the "old-fashionedness" - it's good for business renting them out. It looks to me like Button was very busy after the fire, and probably took everything he had on file and re-did it. In any case it is a fun style and folks back then probably enjoyed it as much as we do now - at least for the summer vacation. BTW, have you seen Wildwoods Shore Resort Historic District - same type of thing 80 years later. Smallbones (talk) 01:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


It looks pretty good...I did add a quick ship infobox to the NRHP one, I'll look at a more closer and copyedit a bit some time. Probably not tomorrow as I'm out watching Nazis attempt to blow up a bridge (confused?). Let me know how DYK goes for you (I think they changed the procedure somewhat and I'm not sure I like it). ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 03:26, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Article[edit]

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Shawmont station[edit]

I took quick look in LexisNexis and found a mention of the Shawmont station in an article in the The Inquirer. It did repeat the claim of being the oldest train station. Also found a snippet of an article on the station in a newspaper for Roxborough (a Philadelphia library might have a copy archived). If you had the time, you could see about contacting the people at SEPTA, perhaps there's a historian among them that would have access to some material you might not be able to acquire.

By the way, congrats on finally finish illustrating the Philly lists. Hopefully, there won't be a bunch of a new listings this week ;-) ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 23:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Public Art Philadelphia[edit]

(commenting before User:SarahStierch since she is still jet lagged from all her travels) check out

there is not yet a philadelphia task force, but you may have nominated yourself. the list (i.e. like List of public art in Washington, D.C., Ward 2) was generated from siris datebase. [3]. don't know how familiar you are with spreadsheet to table work is but that's how it's done. i did start one article Benjamin Franklin (Boyle). Slowking4 (talk) 15:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
the power of the wiki is that how much or little you do, it grows and grows. 900 bah, here we knocked down a 60,000 BLP backlog in a year, and there is are 253,000 articles without references. just do one, you'll find it fun. the power of the list is that it gives a roadmap, and others like BoringHistoryGuy come along and help. (you could also create the project and move on to better things like Sarah) ;> the Public Art project give you a process. look at an existing article, and the templates in there. the pictures in the database are too hard to use, you would have to get permission from the surveyor (copyright status unclear). easier to do a photo survey ourselves. the siris database is a fine reference, but snapshot, needs updating. however, be careful: if work before 1923, then public domain upload into commons; if 1923 and after, then fair use upload into wiki english and create stub article within a week. GPS you can find sometimes from photo in commons,, (google search) or use geolocater [4], not necessary, but makes article more useful for mobile users. lot's to digest, take it slow and steady. Slowking4 (talk) 15:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
good job on the Philadelphia list, i went and fixed the references a little, i believe the sos database is stable for now although an id number search url should be best. (hope you don't mind), i started a spreadsheet alphabetically, up to the B's (offline) i note you have one after 1923, which will have to be put in en.wikipedia with a Template:Non-free 3D art and rationale; the others will need a Template:PD-US for the statue as well as your photo license since it is a derivative work. Slowking4 (talk) 20:43, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
status? i would say move the short list to article space, and build artwork articles. here is my list fwiw: User:Slowking4/list of philadelphia public art; if you don't mind, i'm going to move your list to article space. it'll get you entered into the AAA prize contest. Slowking4: 7@1|x 14:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
ok, hope you don't mind the cut paste article: List of public art in Philadelphia, wanted to keep your rough draft. Slowking4: 7@1|x 16:38, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Picture requests[edit]

Sorry I didn't get back to you this week. Only had little time to focus on Wikipedia the past week. Thanks for getting pictures whenever you have a chance. The most important picture for all of the below is on that shows the entire building. (either from a distance or looking up at it from the street). If you can't get a picture of the entire building, please try to take a picture of the structure's top portion instead. You can get building's architectural details of any building if you like. Dont worry nothing I need in N. Philly (unless you want to take some nice pics of the Carl Mackey Houses :))

The list below are the ones i feel are a priority because we dont have good picture of them at all.

These below I consider nice to have because we have reasonable illustrations already.

  • Liberty Place pictures of both building's together and clearly would be nice. Also would like a picture of the Westin Hotel below the Liberty Place towers. (corner of Chestnut Street and 17th street.)
  • The Residences at The Ritz-Carlton (Philadelphia) at the corner of South Penn Square and 15th Street. I would love a picture of the firefighter's memorial in the plaza at the base of the building.
  • The St. James between 7th and 8th street on Walnut Street.
  • Five Penn Center opposite of PNC Bank Building on 16th and Market Street.
  • Two Logan Square between Arch and Cherry Street on N 18th.

Thanks for any help you can give for the Philadelphia skyscraper project! Medvedenko (talk) 15:49, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

DC NRHP list[edit]

Hi Smallbones ... I have a list of NRHPs in NW DC in my user space from a couple of months ago when I put a ton of work into assigning them to neighborhoods. But that's all I have. Feel free to use it if it'll help. I had intended to one day return to the NW list to try and break it up, but haven't gotten to it yet. Let me know if you need help with it. I've got a method for renumbering the rows in these tables that's quicker and less error-prone than doing it row by row. It pays off in cases where I need to renumber more than about 15 or 20 rows. Regards, --sanfranman59 (talk) 07:18, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

It's a bit difficult to explain my method for renumbering the tables. It involves copying the text into a spreadsheet, manipulating the data there and then pasting it back into the Wikipedia editor. When you've got the DC lists the way you want them, let me know and I'll do the renumbering for you.
Re the White House, Capitol, and Supreme Court, I've emailed Edson Beall at the NPS several times trying to get an answer to why these buildings are NHLs but are not in the NRIS database and he's never answered me. Edson is the contact given in the weekly announcements of new listings and he's always been responsive to other inquiries. I don't know why he's never answered that one. Perhaps he doesn't know (doesn't want to say so) or perhaps it's a more complicated explanation than he wants to take the time to explain in an email. In my opinion, unless the sites are listed in the NRIS database, I'm disinclined to include them in our NRHP tables since the NRIS is our primary source. It's probably worth adding something to the text that accompanies the DC NRHP tables pointing out that these buildings are NHLs but are not in the NRIS. If we ever get an explanation for why, that could be added as well.
Thanks for your efforts at improving the DC lists. They definitely needed some work and it sure would be nice if the pages related to our nation's capital were of FL quality. Do you live in that area? I lived in Arlington and Fairfax for about 5 years before relocating to San Francisco in '96. --sanfranman59 (talk) 20:33, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi Sb ... Have you finished your work on the DC lists? I'm asking because I see that the NW quadrant list is still out there and there's a lot of duplication between that list and the central DC, western DC and upper NW quadrant lists. But there are 400+ listings in these lists while there are only 388 in the old NW quadrant list.
Also, there are asterisks in the row number column, but there's no footnote or anything to indicate what the asterisks mean.
What's the scoop? --sanfranman59 (talk) 18:15, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm ... I really don't like the idea of losing the history. But I don't know what the solution would be at this point. I vaguely recall reading that it's possible for certain WP power users/admins to copy histories from one article to another. Does that ring a bell with you?
I don't think you should feel pressured to pull everything together by a certain date ... after all, we do this for fun, right? Would it make sense to move the new lists into your user space until you've finished with them and return National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington, D.C. to its previous state?
Why is it that there are so many more listings in the new lists than there are in the NW quadrant list? --sanfranman59 (talk) 19:06, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi again SB ... just checking on the status of the DC lists. A new listing in NW was announced on Friday (the Congressional Club) and I've added it to the upper NW quadrant list. I was going to update the row numbering, but the Civil War Monuments row has ** in the row number column. I don't see a note anywhere to indicate what that means. Can you explain?
Also, what do you have in mind to do with the old NW quadrant list? I don't think we should leave it out here if it's now obsolete. You mentioned previously about not wanting to lose the history of that page and I agree that wouldn't be the best thing. Perhaps we could first temporarily move the new upper NW quadrant list to user space. Then move the old NW list to an article with the same name as the new upper NW quadrant list. Then copy the version that was moved to user space into the new article again. I think that would retain all of the history of the old list, but we'd lose the history of the new list. That's not a perfect solution, but I think if we're going to lose some of the history, it's better to lose the last two months vs. losing 2 1/2 years of the old list. What do you think? --sanfranman59 (talk) 08:45, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
One could try a WP:HISTMERGE. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 14:34, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
or do a redirect, or use as a disambig page. Slowking4: 7@1|x 17:28, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I've put in a request at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Smallbones (talk) 19:09, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

and got turned down flat for help. So I did a redirect from the old NW quadrant article to the main DC article, put "copied from tags" on the three new NW quadrant articles. History saved, sites all renumbered. Thanks all. Smallbones (talk) 02:47, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Building 170[edit]

Just wondering but would it be appropriate to add Building 170 to the DC NRHP list? --Kumioko (talk) 20:34, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to bug you just wondering if you had any thoughts on this one yet. Also, There are separate articles for Navy Yard, Washington, D.C. and Washington Navy Yard. Shouldn't we merge these two articles? --Kumioko (talk) 00:18, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
I see what your saying about the Navy yard article but we also have the article Capitol Riverfront and Yards park which seems to do what your describing and also has a lot of duplicate information. --Kumioko (talk)
Sounds like a good plan thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 02:17, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
i take it, it is a contributing property, but not on the list? Slowking4: 7@1|x 14:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Phila public art coords[edit]

good catch on Dickens and Little Nell (Elwell), i copied from photo which was wrong. when i zoom in i don't see the statue though maybe a winter photo will show. i will iterate if missing, need to double check existing also. Slowking4: 7@1|x 14:42, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

you have sharper eyes than me, btw, i responded at Talk:Railroad Retirement Board Building. dunno if that clarifies. Slowking4: 7@1|x 18:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Girls High[edit]

Thank you for finding the photo! I put it in the article about the school! If there is a possibility of getting a photo of the main entrance to Girls High, with the name of the school on the building or a signpost, that would be great! WhisperToMe (talk) 01:08, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Unillustrated DC[edit]

Slow down, dude! At the rate you're going, there won't be anything left to do at Wikimania next year but go to Wikimania. Where's the fun in that? :) Seriously, though, good on you for your work. --Ebyabe (talk) 19:01, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:Wikipedia Loves Libraries[edit]

Why don't you create something at Wikipedia:WikiProject Philadelphia/WLL or so, and share this with other Wiki-Philadelphians? Can you get in touch with the local library and get things started?--Pharos (talk) 19:12, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

A draft of the AE request[edit]

Dear Smallbones,
I consider a possibility to file the AE request as explained on the MCuCR talk page[5]. However, since the sanctions are not my primary goals, I would like to discuss this draft with you first. I hope it would be useful to look at the issue again. That may help to avoid some negative consequences and to save the arbitrators' time.
Regards.--Paul Siebert (talk) 01:28, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Dear Smallbones,
I initiated a straw poll here. I would like you to express your opinion on that account.
Regards, --Paul Siebert (talk) 17:27, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Cool little photo[edit]

Found this photo on Commons today while doing some museum/art work: File:CROSSING THE PAINTED ROAD WHICH EXTENDS EAST FROM THE PHILADELPHIA MUSEUM OF ART. CENTER CITY IN BACKGROUND - NARA - 552716.tif --SarahStierch (talk) 16:55, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

btw this is a Gene Davis (painter) installation. another photo here [6], worth inserting illustrating the critical commentary. Slowking4: 7@1|x 00:35, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Jacob Soll[edit]

I appreciate your help and revisions. I'm not interested in making any trouble. He knew I knew how to edit Wikipedia articles and asked me to update his page because his profile is heightened with the new fellowship. It didn't seem like a big deal since all the information was true and written by him. Thanks again. Melissasusan (talk) 17:42, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

RFC @ MKuCR[edit]

I have added my last proposal under PS option 2, would you like to copyedit it and add anything you think is missing? And perhaps add your thoughts to the concept section? The Last Angry Man (talk) 19:22, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

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Small, Re Holodomor. There are hundreds of sources calling Holodomor genocide, I am quite sure genocide is mass killing :o) However I do have a source from OUP which says Holodomor was "an act of ideologically motivated mass murder similar to the Holocaust and the Armenian Genocide" Will that do? The Last Angry Man (talk) 15:55, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

boiler room[edit]

You'll need to provide a footnote to the source which supports those statements otherwise it'll be removed again or we can go to the admin board. KING OF WIKIPEDIA - GRIM LITTLEZ (talk) 03:10, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

my fault, I dunno why I left that dickheaded comment ^ ... it was uncalled for, but good looks on the source man, peace. KING OF WIKIPEDIA - GRIM LITTLEZ (talk) 06:11, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

WP NRHP in the Signpost[edit]

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject National Register of Historic Places for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 05:05, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

congrats on the signpost, hope you wont get a big head. Slowking4: 7@1|x 18:12, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Your help if possible[edit]

Hi again Smallbones!! We have permission to take photos of the Kinman Clothing as soon as the museum is closed for the season, they will let us take pictures of everything. BTW, we seem to have riled up an editor (possible administrator) without intent. Could you read thru Talk:Carson_Mansion and the conversations on NorCalAl's page and mine. I fail to see what we did to annoy this guy so much. Perhaps you can clue me in. It looks like NorCalAl copied a superlative from his sources, Dante objected to it. Ok so far so good. But Dante says I'm rude and condescending? I'd appreciate your read on this. I was attempting to fix the problem he saw and he has just gotten nastier. Any advice will be most welcome. My #1 thought is to ignore him, but he seems to be following my pages around now. Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:53, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

RRMOP redux[edit]

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Thought you'd like to see that I was able to go out to Strasburg and the Railroad Museum and managed to get a photo of that wooden frieght car without the blur. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 00:55, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I formally put the other image up for deletion on Commons (you'll have gotten an automatic notification on your Commons user talk page that attests to that). I've already got a few ideas for awards in your photo contest, namely "Most Endangered" (get a photo while we can should the worst happen), and "Most Unusual [site, not photo]". ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 17:20, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Fish cabins etc[edit]

I think you enjoyed it more than Ebyabe did :-) The comment that you made after Ebyabe fell out of his chair (me challenging on Kansas, Dakotas) makes me wonder: are you proposing this in response to what's going to be in the Signpost? My only objection is preventing this from including AR sites: if the location is known, there's no good reason to say that they shouldn't count. Nyttend (talk) 03:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

If they're accessible AR sites, then they should be included. But we don't want people arrested for trespassing b/c they're trying to get pictures for the contest, doncha know. :) --Ebyabe talk - Welfare State ‖ 21:24, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, that would likely reduce their photo output :-) From a purely trespassing point of view, ARs aren't the only problems; my next "long" photo trip is likely to be for the purpose of fully-illustrating Sullivan County, Indiana, which has two archaeological sites; I'm likely going to have to settle for a distant view of site #2, since it's in a hilly area not near a road (but NRIS gives the location), while site #1 is address-restricted, but its location right along a road means that I'll only need to stop, turn on flashers, take photo from road, get back in car, and drive off. I can't imagine any problems that I'll have to get it — except for natural, since it's right along the Wabash River, and was likely inundated last spring when I took this photo on a nearby river that was no less flooded than the Wabash. Nyttend (talk) 12:27, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Turn on flashers? In all my roadtrips, I've never done that. If you know where an AR site is, that helps. The undone Florida ones I have only the vaguest idea where they are, even after research. So I'm not worried about those anymore. I have taken the distance shots when I could, like here, here and here. At least this one had a plaque too. Btw, I like the bridge shot, nice composition. :) --Ebyabe talk - State of the Union ‖ 15:19, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

NRHP photos[edit]

I responded on my talk page, but FYI, we're cool. :) I don't know if I mentioned some of the stuff I use to help track my photo taking. That is User:Ebyabe/Googley maps/ALL and User:Ebyabe/NRHPs in FL pix needed. In case something like them may be of use to you directly, or for the photo contest. Cheers! --Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 21:22, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Great idea for a contest. The leaves in my neck of (Penn's) woods are turning - hope the recent rain does not knock them all down. I made a trip on the Keystone Shortway this past weekend and the leaves were further along than I expected. The higher elevations were quite beautiful, though probably not yet at peak color. I will do my best to get some more pictures of NRHPs, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:23, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
I wonder if we could do something like a "most shots of a site" contest. I know a lot of the other photographers take one shot of a site and move on. I like to take multiples, from different angles, to get a more dimensional perspective. Heck, with a digital camera, it doesn't cost any different to take 1 shot or 10. Also, if one shot doesn't turn out OK, you've got backups. Maybe people only upload one shot of a site? Anyway, just a thought. --Ebyabe talk - Inspector General ‖ 15:22, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
I would be glad to sponsor the best photo contest, but think it should be !voted on by anyone interested (much like the COmmons Picture of the year). There are over 100 pictures of Black Moshannon State Park on Commons (mostly from me). Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:20, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
I could run the best overall picture contest - just limit it to one nominated pic per editor and set up a page similar to Talk:Waterfalls in Ricketts Glen State Park/archive1 for people to !vote at. Make some limits (one nom and one vote per editor, some basic limit (100 edits?) so no IPs or socks. Whaddayathink? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 11:47, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
I would be glad to "sponsor" or be the juge (or one of the judges) for the Best Photo contest. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:13, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi SB and thanks for the invitation to participate in/sponsor an NRHP photo contest. I've been actively photographing NRHP sites and uploading my pictures since February 2008. According to my Commons file list, I've uploaded 744 pictures to date and I think all of them are NRHP-related. Most of what I've done has been in the Bay Area, but I've also done NRHP photo tours in Portland & Hood River, OR; Seattle; Stark County, OH; and Wilmington, NC. I've done just about all that can be done in San Francisco, Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin and Sonoma Counties and am currently part way through San Mateo and Napa Counties. I've generally skipped historic districts because I don't have the nomination documents (yet), so I don't know for sure which structures are contributing properties. I may get to that once I pick off all of the relatively low-hanging fruit that's within a day trip of San Francisco.
Anyways, that's a long-winded way of saying that I don't really have much to contribute to a contest except what I've taken up in Napa the past couple of weeks but haven't uploaded yet (and possibly a few from San Mateo). I'm not sure what you mean by "sponsoring" an event. I'm already devoting a substantial chunk of my free time to Wikipedia-related activites. I don't think I can squeeze another one in. --sanfranman59 (talk) 20:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Travel safely - unfortunately I have a 12-hour day tomorrow, but I'll be thinking of you (and wishing I were out enjoying the weather). Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:38, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the Sodom Schoolhouse photo - sounds like a fun trip, even if there was some rain and you did not get as many photos as you'd hoped. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:22, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

P.S., archiving[edit]

Btw, your talk page is loooooooong. You can archive the lazy way, like I do, via User:MiszaBot III. Just sayin'. :) --Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 21:28, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Carnegie libraries in NJ[edit]

If in your travels you come across any buildings on the List of Carnegie libraries in New Jersey, photos would greatly enhance the artcle. Thanks Djflem (talk) 13:47, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Historic ruts[edit]

Might try for the greatest-distance-between-photos thing. I won't be going back to SC, but will be spending T'giving in eastern Penna., and am also contemplating a run out to the Nebraska Panhandle. With any luck, that'll give me photos across three time zones... Ammodramus (talk) 23:33, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

We'll get that beer drunk sooner or later, whether in Nebraska or Pennsylvania or somewhere more exotic. I'll be staying in Pike County, near Dingman's Ferry; will have my car, so I should be able to travel to wherever you want to meet. No idea about schedule yet—it'll depend on the plans made by various relatives, but I should be around long enough to have a certain amount of free time. Will e-mail you when I get there. Ammodramus (talk) 01:55, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Looks like a fun contest[edit]

Looking up the Alpenhorn (Portland, Oregon).jpg

Visitor7 (talk) 05:12, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The Musical in NYC Oct 22[edit]

You are invited to Wikipedia:The Musical in NYC, an editathon, Wikipedia meet-up and lectures that will be held on Saturday, October 22, 2011, at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts (at Lincoln Center), as part of the Wikipedia Loves Libraries events being held across the USA.

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Hey Smallbones Thanks very much for your encouragement and advice. The thing that jumps out at me that if you might be interested in is translation or development of the articles in languages other than English. If you can speak any other languages, or know anyone who would be interested then that would be great. I notice a lot of the existing articles in the area including the one for Monmouth are pretty underdeveloped in pretty much anything other than English. Many thanks John Mrjohncummings (talk) 14:57, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Lothrop Mansion NRHP DC[edit]

added Lothrop Mansion, not on the list. i will wait awhile before inserting in your nice table code. btw, i've been using the open street map "United States Washington, D.C." for locmapin, better than the old tan lozenge. Slowking4: 7@1|x 14:44, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

oops you caught me. i keep looking on the central dc list, for things that are upper nw.
as for public art, i tend to make one article per artwork, and then list identical examples, castings by location, tend to pick the first one or most prominent, but sometines first to get photo, for example Captain Nathan Hale; Jeanne d'Arc (Frémiet); The Burghers of Calais. i.e. i wouldn't get too hung up on listing all the "iron mike"'s; one article will do (even a merge). Slowking4: 7@1|x 17:50, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
btw i think your photo of Chase's Theater and Riggs Building here [7] is more a shot of Rhodes' Tavern, (Metropolitan Square phase II) but the names are confusing i grant you. such are the things that stick in the craw of the locals. Slowking4: 7@1|x 16:15, 22 October 2011 (UTC)


Hey Smallbones

Thanks very much for your encouragement and advice. The thing that jumps out at me that if you might be interested in is translation or development of the articles in languages other than English. If you can speak any other languages, or know anyone who would be interested then that would be great. I notice a lot of the existing articles in the area including the one for Monmouth are pretty underdeveloped in pretty much anything other than English. Many thanks

John Mrjohncummings (talk) 19:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for the reminder. --KF5LLG (talk) 22:10, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Photo contest[edit]

Thanks, but there won't be anything much. I made one trip a week ago, which got Marshall County, Illinois and Sullivan County, Indiana to fully-illustrated, but that's the last trip I expect to take for quite a while. I have plenty of photos yet to upload, but everything that's not from my trip to Pennsylvania a month ago is local HDs here in Bloomington, which aren't NR-listed. Remember my comment about the timing being unfair to grad students :-) Nyttend (talk) 15:30, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

No complaints; I would have been better suited anyway if I'd not already done a ton here in Indiana: if I can get 18 more, I'll be past half done in the state, and that doesn't include any of the rather rich northern counties, such as Allen, St. Joseph, or Lake. Nyttend (talk) 15:46, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
hey there, i see you saw my Chain Bridge Road School. the furtive pic thru trees is because i had to sally down the alley, back from the street. addresses and coord are confusing. elevation much changed. (will upload habs) the Potomac Palisades Site is another problematic one. i got a shot of a mound on the geo-coords, but not much there, a clearing in the woods. the peirce still house was much nicer. Slowking4: 7@1|x 02:49, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I was pleased to be invited[edit]

to add photos to the National Register collection for Washington DC. Although I have visited DC many times over the years I had no pictures of the sites that you still needed and living in the Land of Enchantment puts DC about 2263 miles (more in kilometers) away, so three will be no quick jaunts for me. Life is supposed to be interesting. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:58, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Hanging out in cemeteries?[edit]

Thanks for adding the photo of Sorrow by Samuel Murray. I think I know where you were on Halloween. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion, please[edit]

Hope you enjoy Colorado for Thanksgiving :-) Could you offer an opinion please? I've finally gotten around to uploading photos from my trip to western Pennsylvania six weeks ago, including the Searights Tollhouse, National Road, a previously-unillustrated NHL. I have two photos: one from the east and one from the west. Which do you think is better? I originally went with the westward one, but I'm starting to wonder if the eastern one might be better; therefore, I can't quite decide. Nyttend (talk) 05:16, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Wow, Pike County is just a day trip for you? Thanks for the input; you're welcome, especially as it had been my goal for quite a while, along with the Meason and Acheson Houses. I was planning to get it when I was in Fayette County in the spring, but delays along the way made it so that I didn't quite have time. By the way, what's up with the Schaeffer House? Had it simply been omitted in the past? Nyttend (talk) 19:09, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, if you ever change your mind and go back to Pike County, I believe that you're slightly wrong. The coords that I got for the Pike County list have part of the site in the woods just off U.S. Route 209; I dropped the Street View icon onto a random spot near the coords and found a pulloff spot. You might not get a wonderful picture, but it wouldn't be worse than the one I took at Swan's Landing, and Mrs. Smallbones wouldn't even have to sit for a minute :-) As well, the NHL nomination form speaks of farmers ploughing artifacts out of fields; very close to the pulloff spot is an area of open countryside overlooking the river. I'll also copy this to Ammodramus' talk. Nyttend (talk) 22:10, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Nice! Thanks for the notice. Looks like I have another Pennsylvania trip coming up at the end of the week, but I'll not have much chance for photos: it's an elderly friend's funeral. I may be able to squeeze a little time in Pittsburgh over the weekend (if I'm able to stay), as I'm thinking of conducting some research for next semester's courses while I'm there, but it won't be much. Nyttend (talk) 02:36, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Good point at PUF about the lack of renewal; I'd never thought of checking for renewals, so the only historical markers that I upload are pre-1977 without copyright notices. On a different subject, do you attempt to replace black and white HABS photos with your own color images? I ended up having time for photos while in Pittsburgh today, so I'll be able to add a sunny color image of Emmanuel Episcopal Church (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania). Nyttend (talk) 00:29, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Printz.JPG[edit]

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On Commons this was already hashed out - see Commons:Category talk:Historical markers in Pennsylvania. Since this was set up before 1989, it is free. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:25, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Glad to help. The advantage of being around here a long time is that I've seen a lot of these arguments before - the disadvantage is that it took me a while to find the discussion on Commons. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:47, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Nom forms for Penna. NRHP sites?[edit]

In Pike County. Got what I think are some acceptable pictures for Minisink Archeological Site; it turns out that the Manna site, referred to in the article, is easily located, and that the bank erosion can be photographed reasonably well from across Raymondskill Creek. Will upload shortly.

While I was in that area, ran up to Milford and got some photos in the Jervis Gordon Grist Mill Historic District. I'm sure that one of the buildings I photographed is in the district (the mill building itself). However, the nom form for Milford Historic District Boundary Increase tells me that there are three contributing buildings and a contributing structure in the JGGMHD. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell me what they are; and I can't find a nom form for the JGGMHD itself. Since you've presumably got some experience tracking down this sort of thing in Penna., do you know of a place where I might be able to find the nom form or something else that'd tell me what buildings are and aren't in the HD? Thanks. Ammodramus (talk) 01:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Exactly what I needed. Thanks! Ammodramus (talk) 19:35, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Great! I'd already seen the Minisink, but thanks for letting me know. I spent part of my day driving to photograph the newly-nominated potential NHL in Columbus, Indiana, so if it's designated, we'll have no need to wait for a picture. Nyttend (talk) 04:36, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

OGG Format[edit]

Thanks for the kind words. The OGG format converter is nearly-freeware at this site (but I paid the full license price). Visitor7 (talk) 01:09, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

PA and NHLs[edit]

Looks like it's going to be a tie, unless somebody's sitting on a bunch of NHL photos elsewhere. I'll be in western New York and Pittsburgh through the weekend, and there'll be no NHLs within easy reach. I'm hoping to hit at least one on the way back to Nebraska, but by then the contest will be over.

The shots of Minisink Island from above were taken from a trail on the Penna. side. Took them somewhat early in the morning, and had to wait an hour or so for the fog over the river to burn off so that the island would be visible. According to Google Earth, the island itself is in NJ; as I recall, I used photos of it to illustrate the NJ lists, and photos of the Manna site (OK, but late-morning light would've been better) for the Penna. lists. --Ammodramus (talk) 11:52, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Photo contest barnstar[edit]

Are you going to award a chicago barnstar?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Why not? Smallbones (talk) 04:42, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Photo contest - Ebyabe ones[edit]

Where should I post the results for mine? They're easy, since Georgia only had one entry. The NHL is a tie (you and Ammo). Cheers! --Ebyabe talk - Union of Opposites ‖ 05:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, I'll look for that. Night! :) --Ebyabe talk - Inspector General ‖ 05:17, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Photo contest[edit]

Thanks. I actually hadn't thought of entering at first, since many of my photos date back over the last couple of years and would be ineligible, but I looked over what I'd taken and archived since 10/21 late yesterday and thought, they're pretty good (from three states, including my first trips to Vermont in a long time) so why not? However, there wasn't enough time to upload everything and watch football games and prepare dinner.

I doubt, in any future photo contest, I could compete on quantity of new images for the same reason ... so many of my yet unprocessed photos are older (since I like to upload the photo and then develop the article if I can, and usually I can). But it's an idea worth exploring.

You might want to talk to User:Aude, the first chairperson of Wikimedia-DC. She's organizing a U.S. run of Wikipedia Loves Monuments for next year to coincide with Wikimania. I pointed her to the project, and she added herself as a member and is looking at what we do and have done. Daniel Case (talk) 19:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Richardson Brognard Okie[edit]

Found a great source for background on the architect here: When I googled the local library catalog, it asked "Did you mean Richardson Bernard yoke?" which would also be a brilliant name for an article. Visitor7 (talk) 20:42, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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sorry about putting the non free tag on true reformer mural. fyi, i made a thematic User:Slowking4/List of carousels on the National Register of Historic Places. quite a few. Slowking4†@1₭ 14:56, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
i see the masons are motivated. i noticed that Julius Lansburgh Furniture Co., Inc. "old masonic temple", was not on the list List_of_Masonic_buildings_in_the_United_States#Washington, D.C. i'll make a comment. as we know, faragutful won the contest for dc. Slowking4†@1₭ 17:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


Lovely article SB on Lilith. I think I'd go for Rosseti changing the face when he changed the girl. My favourite Rossetti fact is that they kept a wombat on the dinner table. Which Lewis Carrol heard about and that is why there is a dormouse at the mad hatters tea party(source Martin Gardner). Looking forward to MonmouthpediA - should be what you experimented with ... but the whole town. Oh and PRB .... my family are PRB fans and my wife has red hair. My favourite is John Collier - as good as Rosseti but not so consistant Victuallers (talk) 22:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Have a search for Monmouthpedia - you'll see the project page. I think you need a DAMpedia page or at least DAMGLAM page.... 00:55, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


Sorry I got carried away. There is a second DYK hook based arounf Henry Treffry Dunn. I only meabt to create a stub, but he turned into a start and then the most interesting factoid involved Lilith. Do take a look and copyedit etc Victuallers (talk) 13:48, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Vernacular Frame House[edit]

You may be interested in a reply I just left at WT:NRHP. Nyttend (talk) 02:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Stephan Dohanos[edit]

Do you have a reliable source that says that Stephan Dohanos was an employee of the Federal government? I started the article on him, and I was never able to determine whether he was employed by the Federal government, or was a contractor. If he did the various murals as a contractor, then they may not be in the public domain. -- Donald Albury 20:46, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I remember seeing a warning somewhere on WP (6 years ago, mind you) about the copyright for some work done for the Federal government remaining with contractors. Images from the Smithsonian Institution web site[8] that I placed in the Dohanos article and in Barefoot mailman (Dohanos did six murals on the subject in the West Palm Beach post office) were deleted a while back because I wasn't sure I could label them public domain. -- Donald Albury 21:44, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
"One unusual depiction of a local hero is featured on the wall of the West Palm Beach post office. The Legend of James Edward Hamilton, Florida's barefoot mail carrier, is told on six narrative panels. The artist, Stevan Dohanos, rendered the story of the brave and enduring postman who delivers the mail against all odds. In fact, on October 1, 1887, Hamilton lost his life while on his postal route. "[9] upload it again, the public art cabal will support. however, be aware the SI has a NC ND restriction;[10] therefore use a "non free with NC" tag in english wikipedia. Slowking4†@1₭ 22:23, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
I saw those murals back in the '80s (in their second location), but that facility was closed to the public in the '90s. Anyway, I'll try again. -- Donald Albury 00:19, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK firehouse[edit]

Please see your DYK nom about the firehouse. PumpkinSky talk 13:01, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Lady Lilith, I fail![edit]

Hey, Smallbones, happy new year! I failed miserably at taking a look at Lady Lilith. Still looking for an extra pair of eyes? :) SarahStierch (talk) 21:47, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Ohio House[edit]

Confused, are you asking me what to do with the image, or do you mean something else? Nyttend (talk) 05:03, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the note. Right now, I can't think of anything where I could use it — I'm leaving in the morning to go back to school, where it will be a busy semester, and I still have other photos to process. The idea of various states contributing things, together with the idea of stone coming from near Dayton, makes me think of the McDonald Farm just east of Dayton: the farmer had a small quarry whence was taken stone to contribute to the Washington Monument, according to its historical marker. Nyttend (talk) 05:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

To Commons[edit]

Hi Smallbones, FYI, I'm moving all your self made images to Commons. Multichill (talk) 12:52, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! Smallbones (talk) 13:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
You are very welcome and were not a pest at all (I have been busy IRL and appreciated the reminders). Lillith looks good - congrats! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 12:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

COI Editing[edit]

Hey Smallbones. A while back you commented on the Signpost story on COI editing suggesting companies should just license free content on their website that Wikipedia's volunteer community can take from at will. I explained that no corporation would be willing to put up a free license flag on their corporate website, nor would they have well-verified encyclopedic content on their website, unless it was specifically for Wikipedia.

I was wondering if you felt it would be more ethical to provide the free content on a third-party site. For example, I have a small pet project that's based on the open source Wikimedia software. I could easily mark it as free content, write articles there and ask an editor to consider it. Though conceptually, isn't it the same as writing a draft in my userspace for consideration? Let me know what you think.

There's a discussion going on about paid editing issues here that has me thinking about it. Though I'm also thinking if I ask other editors to add an article I wrote off-site, that erodes my own transparency, since the article wouldn't be seen in my editing history. There's also issues with having other editors edit under one's influence. King4057 (talk) 21:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

i see that the CREWE people have invited jimbo to their group, maybe we can have a truce, modus vivendi, so that the edit stands on its own, regardless of "COI". too much ad hominem even if it's sometimes true. Slowking4†@1₭ 21:30, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
I've spent some time looking at and do notice that it is licensed as non-commercial, presumably that would be changed? But most of all, I'm just tired of discussing very clear ideas with people who refuse to understand the meaning of a simple sentence: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" Anything either of you can do to bring in independent editors of any stripe, who understand that sentence, would be welcomed. Smallbones (talk) 19:46, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
i do agree with you, he whose bread i eat, his song i sing. however, given that we now have people editing with ip's, to me it's better to have them in the tent pissing out. i kinda dislike the ad hominem aspect of COI. the postive spin problem will always be with us, just look at the university articles. Slowking4†@1₭ 22:43, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
As long as no one has to fess up to their real life identity (the violation of anonymity is a major issue, conveniently protecting COI editors), problems will continue. As for companies, any company information beyond what is already available publicly, specifically freely-licensed content by a company about itself, would be deleted as advertising. PЄTЄRS J V TALK 01:12, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
My contact details are on my user page and I've made no effort to shroud my identity. Given my posts on Facebook, Twitter and Wikipedia, I'm quite confident people know my real-life identity, including potentially Jimbo and many of the Wikipedia staff. I've proposed things like that - registered paid editors could have real-life identities only admins can see in the OTRS system (or something like that), but you're right. Nobody wants to see Wikipedia have real-life implications, ties, consequences, etc. and it's not without good reason. King4057 (talk) 17:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
@smallbones, yah, I would have to add the free content tags to the site
@slowking, I agree, but to be honest also have empathy for people who are angry at COIs who refuse to make the effort to read, understand and follow even basic policies and routinely get in bickering matches. It's astounding that a paid editor who has never edited Wikipedia in their life, will get angry at experienced administrators that know what they're doing like THEY'RE the ones in the wrong. I've seen one editor spamming advert that was copy/pasted from a non-notable website who was angry it kept getting reverted.
@all, it is very challenging to write encyclopedic articles as a paid editor. I've reviewed my own articles recently with a critical eye and feel some are pretty well balanced, but others have puffery and such I could have done without.
In my case, I sell ethics more than results, so my bread and butter is reliant on doing the right thing. Telling clients what not to do is the most important part.
Anyways, on this larger topic, I'm putting my eggs in this basket Wikipedia:WikiProject Cooperation. If anyone wants to join the project, moderate the help page, become a mentor, etc. there's plenty of room for more hands. I've also written a substantial portion of the project and identified areas I can't do myself due to my COI with the topic. King4057 (talk) 17:46, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Lincoln statue[edit]

Did you get my email? Did you find out where the Lincoln statue is? --DThomsen8 (talk) 02:17, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Could the Kemey's sculpture be Hudson Bay Wolves? Alphabetically, it might have been immediately above Lincoln. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:11, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


Your list of public art in Philly is looking really GREAT! Jgmikulay (talk) 22:33, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

What extraordinary work you're doing on List of public art in Philadelphia!
Thank you, thank you, thank you. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:08, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Good decision to make Fairmount Park a separate section. And thanks for photographing Hudson Bay Wolves. Sculptures on the Parkway (Rodin Museum, Washington Memorial, etc.) feel more Philadelphia to me than Fairmount Park, though. Any objection to my changing them? BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Everything north/west of Eakins Oval sounds like a good boundary. So Rocky and Joan of Arc are listed under Fairmount Park, but the Parkway sculptures are not.
Laurel Hill Cemetery monuments are another problem. Geographically, they feel like Fairmount Park. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:36, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Agree with both ideas. Smallbones (talk) 01:40, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
If this becomes a complete list of the nearly 1000 public art works in the city, it's going to have to be broken down geographically. May I suggest: Center City & the Parkway - Fairmount Park & the Schuylkill River - West & Southwest Phila - North & Northeast Phila - Northwest Phila. Schuylkill River can take care of the cemeteries on the hills above. The Wissahickon can be either included in Fairmount Park or Northwest Phila. Suggestions? BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:52, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I tried reorganizing the list geographically. My opinion is that it would be better to split Fairmount Park into 2 categories: East Fairmount Park (including Philadelphia Museum of Art and Laurel Hill Cemetery), and West Fairmount Park (including Philadelphia Zoo). BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:12, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Okay, one Fairmount Park section for now. Searching for images of works, I see that many of the photos are yours. Again, great thanks. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Sloans of Lock Haven[edit]

Interesting question. I don't know the answer, but I'm poking around to see what I can find. I posted a note just now to the Lock Haven talk page, and if I find anything further, I'll post again there. I have seen your user name now and again, but I don't remember the context(s). I will never match your total of 1,554 photos of NRHP sites. Wow! Pleased to meet you. Finetooth (talk) 17:49, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

New Castle County NR-listed schools[edit]

Are you familiar with the Archmere Academy in New Castle County? It's the subject of a discussion right now at WT:NRHP; please see the "Schools and NRHP infoboxes" section. Nyttend (talk) 17:31, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. By the way, did you see my final remarks on the Vernacular Frame House, about Nebraska bridges? They're in Archive 50, if you'd like to see them. Nyttend (talk) 05:05, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Uhh...native Aramaic speakers? Thanks for the notice, but I'll also need to have a job and be enrolled in five-day-a-week language classes for the summer, so it wouldn't work out. I'd definitely like to go — I'm sure that it would be far more impressive than a small GLAM event, and even that I loved. Nyttend (talk) 05:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


Glad you like it. Please add as much as you have - it's too short for dyk ( the block quote doesn't count). I can add more on the weekend. -PKM (talk) 18:48, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Additions are great. There's a second compositional study in pen and ink at Birmingham. I'll add a section on the sketches and studies with a gallery or some such, before the 5 days are up, maybe this evening (I am in LA).
Saw the calf hook, love it. Thanks for making that crop. Teamwork! More soon ... PKM (talk) 20:49, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I think it's ready for DYK now. I have a couple of things I want to look up and add (the sonnet DGR wrote to accompany the work in 1881(?), and something on morality and PRB art in the 1850s, and DGR's struggles with perspective and what-not, but hey Wikipedia articles are never "done". - PKM (talk) 02:45, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm okay with your image placements. I'll get this up as a joint DYK unless someone beats me to it - tonight or tomorrow. PKM (talk) 23:37, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
I see you beat me to it, thank you. ;-) - PKM (talk) 02:00, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


Hi. I went to speak to his Whiteghost re his recent image re-revert. And found the following:

Some stuff going on here on the Lilith talk page. You might have some insight to offer regarding the drama with the image, etc. Smallbones asked me to pass word along to anyone who might have interest! I know you're busy, but it might be something you can voice your opinion on! SarahStierch (talk) 21:45, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

This isn't really a general "art" question, it would help for those inputting to have had some knowledge/history of the article. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:02, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Can you please restore the status quo image per WP:Revert, thanks In ictu oculi (talk) 09:11, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

St. Andrew's Anglican Church, Moscow[edit]

Hello Smallbones,

Just found this St. Andrew's Anglican Church, Moscow. Fascinating! Didn't know and now I do. Thanks. 00:26, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "Thanksgiving". Thank you. --Alanscottwalker (talk) 13:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Dante Gabriel Rossetti[edit]

Hey Smallbones,

I am going to work on this as per our discussion at wikisource. The way the site works is through a validation process of the pages, so if you are interested, it would be great if you could "validate" the pages after I proofread them. - Theornamentalist (talk) 01:55, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

You can see it coming together here. - Theornamentalist (talk) 06:53, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
One of the other editors has already started validating the book... if you'd like, find a publication at, or any other site, and we can start on a new book. He has quite an extensive catalog. Funny, I recalled working on something of his in recent times, and I found that I transcribed this last July. - Theornamentalist (talk) 21:09, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
hi, i noticed there is a Complete poetical works 1887 [11]
"Found" (For a Picture) Slowking4†@1₭ 01:00, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Green links?[edit]

Do you see green links at Wikipedia:GLAM/Delaware Art Museum or even here: John Sloan, which is a redirect to John French Sloan? --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:43, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

No - I think something has to be set up in preferences for the green links to show up. Smallbones (talk) 23:10, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
That is right. However, green links should be eliminated by using the correct article title, rather than the one with a redirect. --DThomsen8 (talk) 23:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Scott County, Iowa[edit]

Nice job on the new look for the National Register of Historic Places listings in Scott County, Iowa page. I like it a lot and think it's easier to navigate. Farragutful (talk) 23:19, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but it's not quite right yet. It doesn't line up and part of that depends on the aspect of the pictures. I think I used all photos with 4:3 aspect ratios. I'll try more later, or find somebody who really knows how to do it. Smallbones (talk) 01:15, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

GLAM/Delaware Art Museum[edit]

Please take a look at User talk:Dthomsen8/Draft articles/DMA as a first draft of redoing Delaware Art Museum#Collections. Yes, I know you liked the left hand thumbnails, but the right hand ones can line up with the subsections for artists. We need a Post World War II American Art illustration at the end to complete the set. I have dropped some of the links in the original in redoing the whole section, and I am unsure if I am consistent in adding subsection and sub-subsection headings, but overall I think this is much better visually. Perhaps I should have posted this on the GLAM project page. Please comment here, and then, after enhancements, it can be posted over there. Sarah's comments would be especially valuable.

Also, note the NYT inline citation with a quotation added to the History section. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:51, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Are you able to obtain an image for one of the artists listed in the User talk:Dthomsen8/Draft articles/DMA final section from the DAM? --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:28, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Flower Book[edit]

I saw the gallery. It's fantastic! I think the article is ready for DYK; there really isn't a lot more to add. I guess it's my turn to do the nom, huh? -PKM (talk) 02:50, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I find the Biblio link amusing, but technically I think it counts as a commercial link, and I think we need to remove it before we submit to DYK, -PKM (talk) 03:29, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

DAM article Collections section[edit]

I wanted to keep you in the loop on my suggestion to User:Dthomsen8 in reply to his request on my talk page. Specifically, I'm suggesting that the Collections section be narrative, not a list, using inspiration from the Indianapolis Museum of Art article. Let me know if you need any other help with the DAM! Great job getting that off the ground! LoriLee (talk) 18:36, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


Hello User:Smallbones, I hope you are doing well. I noticed that you recently expanded the Thanksgiving article. Your comments would be appreciated here and here. Thanks, AnupamTalk 04:16, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

John Frelinghuysen (minister)[edit]

I've undid your change at John Frelinghuysen (minister), because the source you added was about John Frederick Frelinghuysen (one of his grandsons), not about John Frelinghuysen (minister). I hope this is allright with you. Fram (talk) 08:35, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Please read the sources before you delete! Smallbones (talk) 15:13, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Love's Messenger[edit]

I've been through everything I have, and there's nothing I can add to Love's Messenger beyond what you have already. Agree it would be a lovely DYK for Valentine's Day.

Go ahead and put it up for DYK - it's qualified. - PKM (talk) 02:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

PS I had two DYKs the same day, on Christmas a couple of years ago. They put them in different rotations, so I don't think there's any rule against it. - PKM (talk) 18:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


By the way, Rossetti by Treuherz et al. is silent on both Mnemosyne and Veronica Veronese. I may have something on them in one of my general PRB studies, or one of the bios, but it would probably be something pretty obscure (or conversely, nothing you have not already covered.) - PKM (talk) 00:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Whatever you can add would be appreciated. Smallbones (talk) 01:01, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Added a bit to Mnemosyne, and linked to the article on Mnemosyne, the Greek personification of Memory. Do you want to copy the pronunciation from Mnemosyne? - PKM (talk) 01:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


How would you feel about a dual DYK nom?

...that Dante Gabriel Rossetti's Mneosyne and Veronica Veronese (pictured) were displayed along with other "stunners" in the drawing room of a shipping magnate?

- PKM (talk) 17:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Great idea! The middle pic is best. Smallbones (talk) 19:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
14th UTC is the last day to nom, right? - PKM (talk) 19:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
DYKs look good! - PKM (talk) 21:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Love's Messenger[edit]

Pls respond asap, esp. if you want this on MainPage tomorrow. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 01:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Great! Thanks for your quick response. I'll now try to put this on prep. --PFHLai (talk) 02:27, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

72nd Pennsylvania Infantry Monument[edit]

love the work on philly - see 72nd Pennsylvania Infantry Monument: please have a word with wild wolf. i'm too angry, not to get in an edit war. we need to get a real list for nrhp for gettysburg. Slowking4†@1₭ 03:23, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

thank you![edit]

Thank you for the lovely valentine. A very cool idea!! - PKM (talk) 22:04, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!![edit]

Ah, sigh ... beautiful Valentine. You have made my day!! And congratulations on The Flower Book (Edward Burne-Jones)

In case you do not know about it, here is a link to a Rossetti that is not on display but is somewhere in storage at "my" Gallery 00:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks from me, too. It was kind of you to think of me. All the best to you :-) FloNight♥♥♥♥ 16:33, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks from me as well :) Ruby 2010/2013 02:51, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


Thank you for your recent high value contributions to RS/N on the topic of oral records. They are greatly appreciated, even when I seem to be arguing against your points, or for points counterposed to your position. I appreciate the quality and importance of the work you've done for the encyclopaedia and the encyclopaedic movement with your comments. Fifelfoo (talk) 02:01, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Happy Valentine's Day[edit]

Rubber duckies for you
Happy Valentine's Smallbones! May this year bring you lots of #WikiLove, as you deserve it! SarahStierch (talk) 19:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Kelsey-Davey Farm image[edit]

I noticed you removed my picture of the Kelsey-Davey farm from the National Register of Historic Places listings in Onondaga County, New York, as well as the page for the farm itself. The house no longer exists, but my understanding is that the barn is a contributing structure. So the only alternative to a picture of the barn would be a picture of the old house, which I doubt we'll ever get. I'm just wondering why it was removed. Crazyale (talk) 20:51, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Best wishes[edit]

Hi Smallbones, thank you for the Valentine's Day card and the kind thoughts. I wish you all the best back, and hope everything is good with you. Cheers, SlimVirgin TALK|CONTRIBS 21:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Eugene De Rosa[edit]

Many thanks for the kind words, Smallbones. The indirectness is not exactly dainty, I just can't find out anything about De Rosa's death, not even the date of it, apart from the information posted by a nephew called Fred DeRosa which Wetman found for me. I am in the UK and don't know how to research a death in New York, any help would be appreciated! (Funnily enough, I recently had a similar but even more puzzling experience when writing an article on Daisy Burrell. I see she is a contemporary of De Rosa... ) Moonraker (talk) 14:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Ellen Bernard Thompson Pyle[edit]

Take a look at Ellen Bernard Thompson Pyle, which I have added to our GLAM/DAM page and added the DAM template to her talk page. Can we get a picture of her from DAM, or maybe an image of an illustration? Many of her works are more than a century back, so PD. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:05, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians in Philadelphia[edit]

I have been talking with some staff at the Central Library of the Free Library of Philadelphia, and I find that we can easily get a free room for holding a meet-up. They are also open to the idea of some kind of an edit-thon, which would mean that they would provide some of the publicity. Otherwise, publicity would be our responsibility. I would like to consider a small meet-up to start, and only go on to an edit-thon if we find enough other Wikipedians or recruited newbies to help organize and do the editing. I am fairly sure we can get some funds from the Wikimedia Foundation to cover some publicity and food at the first meet-up. The library has WIFI.

There is a list of 158 Wikipedians in Philadelphia at Category:Wikipedians in Philadelphia. We need to find out how to distribute a talk page notice to them.

What do you think about this idea? Do you know any other Wikipedians who can help? What would we do at the meet-up beyond brainstorming? --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:30, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikimania accomodations[edit]

Here is an extract from the Wikimedia Accomodations page:

  • Georgetown Holiday Inn (285 rooms) - 2101 Wisconsin Avenue NW; 0.6 miles (0.96 km) away; 15 minutes walking; Free shuttle bus to campus and directly on the DC Circulator Georgetown-Union Station bus route.
  • Savoy Suites Hotel (150 rooms) - 2505 Wisconsin Avenue NW; 1.2 miles (1.9 km) away; 20 minutes walking; complimentary shuttle service
  • The Georgetown Inn (96 rooms) - 1310 Wisconsin Avenue; 0.8 miles (1.3 km) away; 15 minutes walking distance

I have looked at prices and other factors at all three, and I would suggest the Savoy Suites Hotel, but take a look on your own. Washington has a 14% room tax, so the base price increases with the tax applied. I am thinking of going a day or two early, to attend the hackers meetings for techies, but I am not sure of that yet.--DThomsen8 (talk) 12:08, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikimania panel related to NRHP[edit]

Hello. :-) I saw your suggestion on the Wikiproject NRHP and think it is a great idea to have a panel discussion about taking images and writing articles about listings. I'm planning to attend, I would be happy to participate if you want to have people from around different areas of the U.S. FloNight♥♥♥♥ 22:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC) Reply: I would also like to participate! Thepoodlechef (talk) 23:54, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you !![edit]

Thank you for my Valentine!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 07:17, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Ruts redux[edit]

Back in October, you complimented me on some pictures of ruts at O'Fallon's Bluff in Lincoln County, Nebraska. I recently hit California Hill in Keith County, and couldn't have asked for better rut-photography conditions: unmelted snow in the ruts, bare ground around them. The photos are at Commons:Category:California Hill (Keith County, Nebraska), if you'd like to admire them. Hoping to hit two more rut sites (in Butler and Lancaster counties) this week; hope that I'll find conditions half as good there. Ammodramus (talk) 18:24, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Horseshoe Curve[edit]

If your interested, could you please review Horseshoe Curve (Pennsylvania) and post any comments/suggestions to its peer review page. I'm going to attempt to have it promoted to FA eventually. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 00:27, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


I am going to leave the FPAA editing entirely to your good efforts for now. There are several big chores needed for that article, including making inline citations, sometimes archived inline citations, out of their references. I agree that this could potentially be a GA or even FA article, but that is a high goal from my viewpoint. Let me know if you need any assistance, such as photography or visiting the FPAA offices. I am going to ask Ashley about that Lincoln statue. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:49, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikimania email[edit]

Is it okay if I reply via your talk page, or would you prefer an emailed response? Nyttend (talk) 20:37, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Will do. Nyttend (talk) 20:41, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikimania 2012[edit]

I see you are already signed up for a Wikimania 2012 session, [[12]], but your signature does not correspond to a user page/user talk page, as mine does. It took some experimenting, but I was able to create both pages, and I suggest that you might try, too. --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:55, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

got it. Yes it took some doing. Smallbones (talk) 01:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Life in Philadelphia reply[edit]

Thanks for your advice! I will try to be more careful to emphasize that E.W. Clay was a respected cartoonist. I will add pictures of the cartoons but I'm working on the copyright stuff. I am also researching more information in Google books.

CPsju 18:28, 24 February 2012 (UTC)Camipadilla (talk)(UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camipadilla (talkcontribs)

Rooms in Phile museum[edit]

Here's the article: Het Scheepje, Haarlem. Thanks for those links! I had to laugh at the Dutch artcle, because it all gets so complicated. That article is about placement of another "little ship" gable stone, that was originally part of one of the former storage houses of Het Scheepje. Today very little remains of the whole complex, and the building they are cementing the gable stone into was built after the old storage house was dismantled. As far as I can tell, the right "half" of the picture in that article, plus all three "white" buildings in the article I wrote, were all part of the original complex in the 17th century. In the back there was a windmill and I need to upload a picture of that. I found a good article in my local history bulletin. Jane (talk) 21:35, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Water Willow[edit]

I've uploaded Water Willow to Commons. Mind if I start the article? I have a copy of Waking Dreams now, so I should be able to pull a draft together. - PKM (talk) 01:42, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Ordered it from Amazon. :-) - PKM (talk)
Water Willow (Rossetti) is up - please improve it! Packing it in for tonight... - PKM (talk) 04:21, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
No worries. For some reason I was really drawn to that one. I haven't found much more to add (maybe something on Rossetti's shift to a gray-green palette in these years, but that needs rather a bit of context that might go seriously off topic). Anyway it can probably go up for DYK whenever - I am a bit burnt out on that process, but I may feel up to it after a good night's sleep. :-)
I am around this week, but traveling the weekafter with only my trusty iPad and very little free time. - PKM (talk) 02:39, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
PS Thanks for figuring out what was causing the extra space at the top - I copied those tags from somewhere... :-) - PKM (talk) 02:43, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
User:PFHLai put Water Willow (Rossetti) up for DYK. Last Sunday, but I just noticed. Doh. - PKM (talk) 02:32, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


Can you take a look at Wikipedia:GLAM/US/Pennsylvania and make sure I haven't left out anything important? (Or said anything stupid...) Thanks! - PKM (talk) 02:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

It's beginning to look a lot like Frishmuth[edit]

Great photos of Aspiration! You've taken on a bear with the List of public art in Philadelphia. Hang in there. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Kinman and the Wiyot[edit]

I am going to a fundraiser for a candidate for public office (countywide) who happens to be a descendant of an 1860 Wiyot Massacre survivor and if elected will be the first Wiyot to hold public non-tribal office in the county. That all said, the event is next door to Kinman's house and I was going to ask around if anyone knew who lived there as I have heard some of the furnishings include salvage from the Northerner and they may have other artifacts.Ellin Beltz (talk) 22:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Difference between NHL and nrhp[edit]

Ok so what are the metal signs that say texasl historical landmark and they have them in really random spots and no one really knows about them? Sometimes they are in front of old buildings and other times they are at grave sites. What is that list? Thepoodlechef (talk) 23:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Photographing Texas[edit]

What type of things would I need to photograph? How do I volunteer? For the other projects could I just take a picture of the site and the sign and the add a description? Can I quote the sign directly? Thepoodlechef (talk) 23:05, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Well yes[edit]

I wrote the Einar Jónsson article. Some of it. And am having an interesting time with the LIST. I am not a formatter, and these things mess with my mind. Pictures in our chart would be (opinion) better than coordinates, but the coordinates got there first. I also agree that text about individual monuments belong in another article about them. Carptrash (talk) 02:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I am sending this message[edit]

to all the editors involved in the rapidly expanding List of monuments of the Gettysburg Battlefield. I recently spun off the state monuments for Alabama, North Carolina, Virginia (and intend to do Pennsylvania soon), leaving only a token bit of each in the list. I named these articles to include the name of the battle Alabama State Monument (Gettysburg) because many states have monuments in several battlefields and it seemed that we might as well start preparing for Alabama State Monument (Vicksburg) right now. Someone then re-named those articles (yesterday?) and removed the name of the battle. (they also changed the picture of the North Carolina Monument that I had added that I think much better caught the spirit of Borglum's work, but that is another issue.) Furthermore, there is something really unexplained happening on the talk pages of the new articles, If you click on the TALK tab at, say Virginia Monument (a really lame title, because how many of those are there across America?) you end up at the talk page of the list. What is that about? I would like to redirect these articles back to where they were redirected from yesterday, but unlike the editor who just did it, I'd like to involve all the interested editors. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:40, 8 April 2012 (UTC)


I got your message a few weeks ago regarding the North Side NRHP page. I'm glad to help contribute, but as yet I'm far more adept with my camera than editing Wikipedia pages. I'm not even totally sure I'm responding to you correctly. In any case let me know if there's anything else I could help with. By the way, you mention there being only 30-ish sites left to photograph, but I'm having great difficulty precisely locating AVR 661. It seems a youth offshoot of the US Navy is restoring it, but all the Google searching I can stand hasn't been very fruitful. Thshriver (talk) 23:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I see there's a lot more needed from the south side, unfortunately, I actually live north of the city, and going down there would be something of an excursion. Also a few of those sites are in some "questionable" neighborhoods, so it may be a while before I get down there. Meanwhile, I just put a bunch on National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Evanston,_Illinois, so we may want to edit Talk:National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Evanston,_Illinois. I'm not sure how to go about doing that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thshriver (talkcontribs) 15:51, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


While I didn't have time to stop for photos at West Lafayette, I was able to see the XXX burger place while at a traffic light. I'll definitely be able to get some of the Century of Progress HD houses; toward the end of the conference, I'll be going on a tour concentrating on the district, although the homeowners have told our conference organisers that we're not to take interior images. Nyttend (talk) 02:36, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

OK - you did see that Boucher did take many photos of the Century of Progress HD houses? (Somehow the HABS color photos never look as good as their black & whites) Smallbones (talk) 02:43, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I did see that. And yes, I know what you mean; I've always found images like this rather odd. BTW, why concentrate on Boucher to the exclusion of other HABS photographers? Nyttend (talk) 11:43, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
I got both the XXX Restaurant and the Chocolate Shop this morning. See my response at WT:NRHP about Beverly Shores; I got all of the Century of Progress houses, although there's one NR-listed house (and soon there will be many more) elsewhere in the community that I couldn't get, because our tour bus didn't go on the side streets. You can also expect several photos (both exterior and interior) for the Hoosier Theater in Whiting, as well as for its community center, where most of our activities were held. I ended up having more time than I expected; I knocked out all of the Hammond sites and most of the ones in Gary as well. Nyttend (talk) 23:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Turned out that I had more time than I expected — because my body is on Eastern Time while the area is on Central, I had an easy time getting up early and taking photos before the sessions started. Mix that with a couple of substantial chunks of free time (in one of which we were encouraged to visit nearby historic sites), and I had a perfect situation. Besides the currently-listed properties, I got photos in a couple of districts that are going through the SHPO right now, plus one that's not even appeared online yet: one of the other conferees with whom I was talking is writing a nomination for a Davis Avenue Historic District in Hammond, and finding out my interest in photography, he pointed me to the best contributing properties :-) Nyttend (talk) 23:21, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Funds Dissemination Committee[edit]

Hi Smallbones, Just following up on your nomination for the Funds Dissemination Advisory Group. Would it be possible for you and I to have an off-wiki discussion about your interests in the next couple of days. You can email me at bnewstead at wikimedia dot org. --Barry Newstead (WMF) —Preceding undated comment added 23:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC).


I'm not getting any comments on my dky Template:Did you know nominations/Humboldt Bay Life-Saving Station. Any chance you could take a poke at it?? Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:00, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I did a few tweaks and did a review of Humboldt Bay Life-Saving Station. There is a small question about "the only." Otherwise, nicely done! 7&6=thirteen () 19:25, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply, Smallbones... I'm only confused a little bit, because I did what you suggested. I reviewed "Abbott's Booby," and was really specific about what did work in the article. I just don't know the right syntax to put that on Template:Did you know nominations/Humboldt Bay Life-Saving Station, but you will see the reference to Template:Did you know nominations/Abbott's Booby there. I'm trying !! I even reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/1925 Santa Barbara earthquake too in an effort to learn the system and build up reviewer credits. I will pay more attention to listing off the checklist items as I get better at this, and someday I will figure out what the little symbols mean and how to use them. This only my third article that I thought was good enough for DYK. Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:35, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the tunnel photos![edit]

I put another one in the article from the north end. No need to hide your stuff. Smallbones (talk) 05:08, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad you like them! I wasn't sure whether to insert a second photo or not, so thanks for stepping in on my indecisiveness. Just a heads-up, I'll be expanding the Tunnel article soon. Oh, and if you didn't already see, I put one of your photos in the Saint Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church (Fort Wayne, Indiana) article. Chevsapher (talk) 21:58, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Valtu manor[edit]

As a first thing, thank you for creating the article! However, I merged Valtu Manor to Valtu - both articles have a very low potential for expansion (frankly, I was surprised even to find an article about Valtu manor, as it is rather "standard" manor from 1820s. I was glad, though, as my own summer house is just a few miles from Valtu).

If you feel that two articles are needed, then just revert me - please put {{WikiProject Estonia}} to the talk page, though, as then it will appear on watchlists of quite a few WikiProject Estonia members, which is always good in the never-ending battle against vandalism.

--Sander Säde 06:10, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Estonia definitely could use a lot of help. A lot of editors have left the project for various reasons, so there are just a few active editors - and some semi-inactive like myself.
As for the Valtu manor, I just realized I have a book "Manors of Raplamaa" somewhere - sadly, I suspect it is in the country house and I won't go there for a while. I'll try to find some more material - and possibly some photos - and if I am successful, I'll re-split the article, as by then there hopefully is more material.
Also, if you want photos of something in Estonia - or some source translated/summarized, just ask.
--Sander Säde 15:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Be Tough on Me Again Please[edit]

And help me understand this  ? Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

You're invited to Wiki-Gangs of New York @ NYPL on April 21![edit]

Wiki-Gangs of New York: April 21 at the New York Public Library
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Join us for an an civic edit-a-thon, Wikipedia meet-up and instructional workshop that will be held this weekend on Saturday, April 21, at the New York Public Library Main Branch.
  • Venue: Stephen A. Schwarzman Building (NYPL Main Branch), Margaret Liebman Berger Forum (Room 227).
  • Directions: Fifth Avenue at 42nd Street.
  • Time: 11 a.m. - 5 p.m. (drop-ins welcome at any time)

The event's goal will be to improve Wikipedia articles and content related to the neighborhoods and history of New York City - No special wiki knowledge is required!

Also, please RSVP!--Pharos (talk) 18:43, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Ciao for now[edit]

FYI, I am not going to work on Wiki for a while, maybe never again. I was insulted by an admin yesterday for absolutely no logical or rational reason. He is justifying his behavior now, but it is obviously how he behaves and if one doesn't like it, one must lump it. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. After the death threat that required the police to solve and now this, I am tired of contributing to this project to receive so much hatred back. You have always been nice to me and very helpful. This problem was not yours in creation, but I do not wish to merely disappear without saying what happened. If you need more stuff from local libraries, or need me for anything, email. I'm not upset with you at all, however I don't see any reason to continue my involvement in a project which says "be polite" but has admins who aren't bound by that same guideline. Ciao! Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


Hey Smallbones. Do you know who the SignPost editors are these days? If they're doing a series on paid editing, I would love to participate in one that I could link to in the future to give editors I'm working with some context. Believe it or not I would be much closer to your point of view than CREWE's. User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 16:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Responded on my Talk page User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 17:50, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
The site editor at socialfresh said he would edit and post the blog I sent you tomorrow. I might update/edit if you have any thoughtful contributions on it. User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 21:11, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
The Wikimania session didn't make the cut. User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 22:05, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
There's my comment. I'm just imagining all the real-world bridges I'm burning by being honest, but I'm as offended by the report as others. In any case, the COI discussion we started has been moved by request here: Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/COI#Professional_COI User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 02:00, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
You may have already read it by email, but my post is up if you're interested.[13] User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 20:10, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

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May 4[edit]

I will be leaving for Iowa on Friday morning and therefore will be unable to join you all that evening. Thanks for the invite. Farragutful (talk) 02:03, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

PMA contact[edit]

The Philadelphia Museum of Art is interested in finding a Wikipdian with whom they can work to improve coverage of the art content related to the PMA and Johnbod recommended I get in touch with you. (This is not a Wikipedian in residence position - yet. They are still exploring that possibility) Does thing sound like something you'd be interested in? Raul654 (talk) 03:58, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Did you get my email? Raul654 (talk) 02:26, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Women at Princeton Edit-a-thon![edit]

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WOMEN AT PRINCETON EDIT-A-THON is May 19! This edit-a-thon will celebrate the lives and history of women at Princeton University! Sponsored by Princeton University's Seeley G. Mudd Manuscript Library, Wikipedians of all experience levels are encouraged to participate. Limited to only 15 participants, please RSVP by May 16! We can't wait to work with you to improve content about women's history on Wikipedia! Q Miceli (talk)Undead q 17:34, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

DAM contributors[edit]

Contributors to DAM, both important Delaware men:

I need the contacts at DAM to get more information about these men. I did some research at the Free Library on them in the New York Times paper indexes, but the resulting articles were very brief items and no help in developing articles. Also, I would like to have an image for the Post World War II American Art section.--DThomsen8 (talk) 12:53, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


Hi, Sb! Good to hear from you!

You wrote:

Hi Piled!

As I remember you understand the dreaded "Episcopal-Episcopalian" distinction - I don't. Also, I've gotten used to you copyediting my dyks. I don't think I'll send this to dyk (takes a bit more time and effort), but could you take a look at Samuel S. Fleisher Art Memorial.

Any help appreciated,

Smallbones (talk) 19:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I am touched and flattered that you would ask me for advice. Nice article—I'll have a closer look in a bit. "Episcopal" means "having to do with bishops" and thus can be applied to any denomination that has bishops. For example, there's an episcopal residence associated with most Catholic cathedrals. "Episcopalian" refers to the Protestant Episcopal Church, the United States' principal involvement with the Anglican Communion (the idea is that they don't have any clergy higher in rank than bishops, therefore the sect is "episcopal" in nature). Plenty of people say "Episcopal" anyway (I guess it's more inclusive and less stuffy-sounding); see, for example, the Episcopal Academy, the more-or-less official school of the Episcopalian Diocese of Pennsylvania.--Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 20:47, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I hope you don't mind me butting in here - but there's an additional wrinkle in the usage for the Episcopal Church. Our article actually covers it nicely - basically, "Episcopalian" is a noun; "Episcopal" is an adjective. So, you would be an Episcopal Priest, but could also be described as an Episcopalian. Therefore, it is the Episcopal Church (or AN episcopal church), not the Episcopalian church. In other words, everything that Piledhigheranddeeper said is correct, but I thought I'd muddy the waters a bit.  :-) I copyedited the article you linked accordingly. -Philippe (talk) 13:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

SIA Edit-a-thon[edit]

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Great pics![edit]

Hey buddy --- just wanted to thank you for all the great pics of B'More!--Pubdog (talk) 20:58, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Hoax, humor, or a serious concept?[edit]

Take a look at Leibniz (unit) for me. Hoax, humor, or a serious concept? --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:18, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

HOAX! --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
It is not a hoax, but some of our published references are behind paywalls. We're trying to make them more accessible: What do we need to do to get the page back up? Sealekt (talk) 14:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
You can cite journals and other reliable sources (not blogs) even if they are not accessible on-line. But you'll have to be prepared for lots of skepticism. It is clearly a strange concept. Smallbones(smalltalk) 15:15, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: They want the best folks[edit]

Thanks for thinking of me, I am flattered. It seems to me that it would help for any potential member to know more about the responsibilities involved. I realize that this is all being planned, but I think it would help if the potential members knew how many meetings to expect in a year (roughly) (one? three? a dozen?), how these meetings would be conducted (Skype / teleconference? travel to a central location? a mix of both?), time commitment (assume members would have to read all grant proposals ahead of time, so how many of these would there be and how long would they be?). Also what about expenses involved - if members have to travel to San Francisco (for example), would they have to cover their own travel and lodging costs or would the WMF cover these?

The other two concerns I thought of are: 1) the identification requirement. Since the proposed board would play a large role in allocating funds, it may be that the community wants to know who these people are (not just have the WMF know)(much as WMF board members are known). 2) Is there an audit process by an external auditor? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:31, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Re:CP award[edit]

Thanks, but I am not done yet. Still need to finish the second part of the bio, polish the article (pun intended), and bring it at least to GA class. Would you be interested in proofreading the prose in a day or so? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:45, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Photo request[edit]

I just wanted to let you know I didn't forget about your request. The weather was rather poor here in DC most of last week so I wanted to wait for a clear day where I could get a decent picture. Kumioko (talk) 19:46, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I added theh pics of the Pumping station[edit]

Per your request I took three pictures of the pumping station and added them to the article. There not great but its definately better than none. You might want to take a look and adjust them. Kumioko (talk) 01:29, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I also added a couple for Yards park. Kumioko (talk) 01:54, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Used some images to create montage[edit]

Just thought that I'd give you a heads up that I created a montage for the Quincy, Illinois page and used a few of your uploaded pictures to compile the montage. The final result can be seen here: File:QuincyILmontage.png. Thank you for uploading some really nice shots. I only uploaded two such as that of the Oakley-Lindsay Center and Quincy University, but nearly all the montage is of your shots. I may have licensed it wrong (as public domain as opposed to CC), but I'm sure it would be a quick fix if I made any errors. (Tigerghost (talk) 19:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC))

Photo requests for Pennsylvania and DC[edit]

I have completed a long effort on Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Pennsylvania to change all requests to specific counties. You will find that the individual counties now have far more requests than they once did, and the Pennsylvania requests are currently down to 12, mostly requests for images rather than photography, since several buildings and bridges have been demolished.

For the m:WikiMania 2012 trip, I changed all the Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in District of Columbia to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Washington, D.C.. The D.C. list has been proposed for deletion. Let me know what you think about the lists, PA and DC.

Are you going to WikiMania? --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:08, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


Sorry to say that I don't have any ideas better than what you've already done. The ideological blind dedication to free content over usefulness means that Commons:Commons:File types doesn't list any filetypes (at least as far as I can see) that are associated with slideshows.

Must also apologise for the delay in replying; I was on the road getting photos in far northern Indiana. I got the majority of the St. Joseph County sites, plus some in Marshall (including one HD contributing property that you've photographed), Fulton, Elkhart, and Kosciusko counties, plus the last two sites in Noble County. Nyttend (talk) 04:51, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

No, sorry. Lots more leaves on the trees than when you were there, so a view from either the northeast or the southeast was impossible, and the landowner on the western side had multiple "No trespassing" signs. What's more, with yesterday's heat (102° in the shade in South Bend, and 105° heat index), I was just going quickly and not doing a ton of work at any specific site; my priority was getting just one good photo from many different sites. I spent an uncommonly large amount of time visiting libraries to refill my water bottle, since my car has no air conditioning. All of your Marshall County images look better than mine probably will (haven't yet put them on the computer to check yet), largely due to the position of the sun when I was there. I got side views of Elkhart's Bridge Street Bridge and South Bend's La Salle Street Bridge, but that's it. Nyttend (talk) 15:47, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
See File:East Laporte Street Footbridge.jpg. Since you sounded dissatisfied with your own photo, I put in mine instead; feel free to put yours back in, of course, if you prefer it. Nyttend (talk) 19:09, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Credo Reference Update & Survey (your opinion requested)[edit]

Credo Reference, who generously donated 400 free Credo 250 research accounts to Wikipedia editors over the past two years, has offered to expand the program to include 100 additional reference resources. Credo wants Wikipedia editors to select which resources they want most. So, we put together a quick survey to do that:

It also asks some basic questions about what you like about the Credo program and what you might want to improve.

At this time only the initial 400 editors have accounts, but even if you do not have an account, you still might want to weigh in on which resources would be most valuable for the community (for example, through WikiProject Resource Exchange).

Also, if you have an account but no longer want to use it, please leave me a note so another editor can take your spot.

If you have any other questions or comments, drop by my talk page or email me at Cheers! Ocaasi t | c 17:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


Please gain consensus before removing tags like {{orphan}}, {{more footnotes}}, etc. from pages. WP:So fix it doesn't apply to the problem you describe. Editors can tag page, ask for help or come later and fix the problems the tagged. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:44, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

an article based on a single source is a serious problem that needs to be fixed. On the other hand Wikipedia has no time limits of when and by whom the problem can be fixed. Tagging is easier than creating a to-do list in userspace. Moreover, it catches attention and gets more peoeple involved in the project. Giving the impression that pages are perfect discourages participation.

The most important is that I think your understanding of WP:So fix it is against the consensus we have. There are more people who tag pages than people who actually fix them because community thinks tagging is a nice thing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:36, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

See "This page in a nutshell: If you see something that can be improved, improve it!" Tags placed without any explanation that stay on the page for years do not improve the article. Rather the editor, if he sees a problem should just improve the page. When I see a useless tag that has no explanation and simply makes the page ugly, I improve the page by removing the tag.
I was quite surprised at Wikimania how many editors talked about tag spamming. It is clearly an issue that irks many editors. May I ask that you actually look at the next tag you see that is over 3 years old? There will be many. Is there an explanation of why the tag was placed? (likely not) If you can figure out what the problem actually was, does the tag still apply now? (likely not) Once you do this, you will likely see the problem and start removing other tag spam. Smallbones (talk) 14:10, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
amen. i would say that tags are only good as part of a process of article improvement, and removal. (see Leadership in Wikimedia) since we have a generation of article-tinklers who do not improve articles, they shout to the crowd and noone listens. "the community thinks tagging is a good thing" lol, what community would that be? i agree the consensus at wikimania was dismissive of "tag-spam". i made the comment to another tagger that i specifically do not improve tagged articles; there is so much work to do, i prefer to work with others on projects that don't need them. "single source is a serious problem" - lol just like the BLP hysteria. we have 232,000 articles without references [15]. if it is so serious, will you reference an article? i'm a couple thousand ahead of you. with that i will return to my vacation on wikisource cleaning up DNB, when i emerge from hibernation, i will have 1000+ articles to reference, and 100+ to create. Slowking4†@1₭ 00:10, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
I partially agree with what you 2 are saying however I also have to side with Magio in part here too. I personally believe that stubs should only have specific tags (such as unreferenced) and wrote that up but was overruled. The fact is, the guidelines and policies allow and encourage these tags be used so I would suggest that if you have a problem with these being used then we should open up a RFC or something and suggest a change. We have been doing a lot of IMO good modifications to the messages to make them more useful but we still have some room for improvement. Personally I favor a smaller less obtrusive tag but I do think that we need them and should use them. Kumioko (talk) 00:17, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
i kinda don't disagree: it's not that tags are useless, but they are being used in a dysfunctional way. there is way too much faith in tags and mechanical messages, when the teahouse proves that authentic communication is what is required. now warning when taking tags down? i guess i'll never do that-even after i improve the article by mistake. i try to stay away from policy pages and commenting, (and usually from talk). i find it a waste of my time. Slowking4†@1₭ 00:34, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
It is quite obvious that tagging is part of a broken system of article "improvement." If a tag was put on, and the article improved within a month, I'd have no problem at all with tags. But old tags are just building up, defacing articles, and few people try to do anything about it, least of all the taggers. If taggers would try to remove as many tags as they put on - it would be one thing. But it looks to me like 1% of all editors add almost all the tags and don't remove any; about 10% of all editors very occasionally take off a tag, and the other 89% are just intimidated by tags. As I've experienced over the last few days, people will will revert my deletion of tags, without knowing why the tags do or do not belong, without putting up any explanation. It's gotten to be just a lazy habit - "I don't like the article, but I'm not willing to fix it. Somebody else has to do it." Lazy and pushy. Somebody has to tell the L&P 1% that they are not doing anybody a favor, and that they do not constitute a consensus. As far as I know there are no policies or guidelines that say you have to put a tag on an article - or can't remove one - with the possible exception of BLP tags (with BLP I'd say delete the sentence or the article, don't tag - unless its a really minor word choice type of thing). So I say that folks who don't like tag spamming should just remove useless tags - which is perfectly consistent with policy. Perhaps an essay might help. Challenging the L&P folks to justify their tag spamming with reasoning based on policy or guidelines might help. Smallbones (talk) 02:52, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
yeah, i doubt if anyone will listen. they like their twinkle twitch direction. they will fight for the right to tag. they miss how "tag" is a synonym for failed graffitti artist. leadership is not telling people what to do, it's working with others in a team. the tech types don't understand management; maybe some of them want to learn (i doubt it). there is a profound misunderstanding of communication. walls of easy to deploy tags are off putting and counterproductive. the harder to deploy, one on one conversation is required to communicate. i guess i'm too lazy to push back. Slowking4†@1₭ 03:03, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Wonderfull things happen after 5 years Check this one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:35, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
OK! Congrats! But I do have to point out that the in-line "citation needed" [citation needed] was used. It is very specific as it very naturally refers to only one sentence. It is also much less obtrusive than the large page-wide tags I've been talking about and removing. With the small, specific tag - this has to be rated a success. But if a large page-wide tag had been on the page for 5 years, distracting people and in effect telling people the page was inaccurate when it wasn't, then I wouldn't rate this a success. Smallbones (talk) 11:51, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
I think by removing tags you want to make a WP:POINT. The use of tags is a common practise. For example the page where you removed the {{one source}} it was really based in onse source. I am not expert in article building so I usually (not always) leave this job to others. I usually presume that the people who add tags know what they are doing. The use of tags that nobody understands what they do it a problem. This is the reason I updated some tags and I was in favour of deleting "Expand" which now reappeared under the name {{Expand article}}! -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:49, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Although as I stated above I think that there are some things that should be done to the process of tagging, I agree with Magio, it is common practice. I also think that a lot of the tags like Cleanup, Expand, Copyedit and a bunch of others are useless. If the article isn't FA it goes without saying. If the article is a stub then its really pointless. I do like some of them like Citation needed, Unreferenced, Multiple issues (although I would like to see the look change to be smaller and less gaudy) and a few others because they are clear and serve a specific purpose. I also agree that just because someone can see that the article is unreferenced doesn't mean they can find a reference for it. Same with others like grammer and Copyedit. Just because I can see it needs it doesn't mean I am well suited to add it. Kumioko (talk) 13:00, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Convenience break[edit]

I confess to wanting to start a conversation on this issue, but my deletions are not against WP:POINT, simply because I'm only deleting tags that don't belong on pages - useless tags that are just making a mess of things. I'm now a bit frustrated in searching for a place to properly discuss this matter. Is there a guideline that refers to tagging? Is there any central place that the very real issues caused by tagging are normally discussed? The best place that I can see now is the talkpage at Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup

I'd think it particularly important that there be a central place to discuss this matter because taggers often are presenting their opinions on an article as if they represent accepted policy. If they are representing policy or guidelines, then there certainly should be a policy or guideline that lets folks know the proper way to do this.

An example of a tag leading folks to think that it reflects policy, when it doesn't:

The link in "single source" goes to WP:Reliable sources which does not discuss the issue of single sourcing except in round about ways. It certainly does not prohibit single sourced articles in any way. Single sourcing does present potential problems. If I were grading a college student's single-sourced paper, the maximum grade I'd give is a C- even under today's inflated grading policies. Problems include possible copyright infringement, non-neutral point of view, and notability. But there are articles in which only one source can be found (other than possible very old primary sources or inaccesible historical write-ups) that aren't copyright violations, are likely to have NPOV, and are notable. 3 quick examples: US Congressmen from the Biographical Dictionary of Congress, a few places on the National Register of Historical Places, and some articles from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica. More specific example: there are people who were elected to Congress in the early 19th century who died before taking office, the congressional dictionary (public domain) has entries on them, and a complete listing of everybody who was elected to Congress is important to the encyclopedia. Why should articles on these folks be defaced with tags? What policy or guideline has the article broken? Any discussion can be on the talk page, but taggers do not bother to do that despite what the tag says. Smallbones (talk) 16:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

QRpedia stats[edit]

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject QRpedia#Mass stats. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:44, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for your kind words. I liked the news clip on the QR codes at Congressional Cemetery. I will ask my state park contacts (DCNR) if they want to add QR codes at the park offices. I've only seen Ganoga Lake once (when some kind people let me see the Clemuel Ricketts Mansion). I just added a panoramic picture I got of the lake in the fog to the article - does it look OK? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:14, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at the panorama and the very kind words on the images in the article (most of which I uploaded from Flickr). I have only been to the lake once (since it is private), which was when I saw the Clemuel Ricketts Mansion. I took the photos for the foggy panorama then, but Autostitch could only put the sides together, not the whole thing. When I saw the article was going to be on the Main Page I debated driving to the lake and trying to get another panorama without fog, but did not (no permission, didn't want to trespass). Yesterday I tried Microsoft Research Image Composite Editor and it was able to stitch the panorama - I liked it, but was not sure how much of that was just the thrill of finally getting it to stitch over two years later. Then again, Ben MacDui always says not to just have photos of sunny summer days ;-) Anyway thanks for the feedback.
I will check with the rangers I know and get back to you. Most things in parks do not have separate articles (though Kinzua Bridge is a FA, and the three Historic Districts in Black Moshannon State Park have a brief article). Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

ATTENTION: SMALLBONES. Thank you for the photo of one of the graves in DC's Congressional Cemetery that has had a QR code added, but it's the grave of LEONARD Matlovich not "John." Thank you very much for correcting as soon as possible.

- Michael Bedwell — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks for the correction. Smallbones (talk) 02:37, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Teresa (ttrimm) from Wikimania 2012[edit]

Hi. I was at your NFRP presentation at Wikimania. I was in the front row taking pictures with my Nikon. I don't think I have ever commented on someone's talk page on Wikipedia.

I am going to be writing an article about contributing to the NFRP. It will be titled something like

Could you recommend a better title or a direction to take it??

Looking forward to hearing from you.

P.S. I also met you and your wife outside of the Marvin Center the next day.

Teresa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ttrimm (talkcontribs) 04:56, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

  • I just realized I butchered the acronym. NRHP!! Ttrimm (talk) 02:22, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


If you still need any jurors, I'd be happy to help: I'm an architect, a reasonably accomplished photographer, and I know my way around WP, I think (which principally involves knowing where not to go!). Acroterion (talk) 14:50, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


I tweaked the logo (used a different typeface) and it looks somewhat less fuzy to my eyes (you will probably need to purge the cache to see the new image - the capital "I" has cross bars at top and bottom in the new one "I", where it does not on the old one "|").

I have asked my ranger friend twice on QR codes and not heard back. It may be DCNR does not want to do that. I did think of adding QR codes to covered bridges - they usually have a paper tag from the Theodore Burr (Covered Bridge) Society inside near one of the portals anyway. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 18:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Schmucker Hall[edit]

Please take a look at Schmucker Hall, where the text says it is a NRHP building, but the article infobox and the talk page do not say that. It seems to me that it is incorrectly done, but you will know better than I would. --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:18, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Public Art[edit]

Look at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Template:WikiProject Public Art. --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:33, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Use of Wikipedia text by other wikis without attribution[edit]

I think I see what you mean. Readers of Wikipedia don't know that the content was written by the company, however if we can cite the content to company-written materials, than readers know that it's their history "according to them." Content can be copy/pasted to Wikipedia with a citation that means attribution. Do I have it right? User:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 18:53, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

You got it. You can make it a bit more complicated if you want. If it's purely non-controversial factual information, there's no need to quote, but with CC-BY-3.0 there should be an attribution, which I believe the standard attribution is just in the edit summary, just like for all Wikipedians, but putting something on the talk page is ok too. I've seen folks who want a special template on the article page but that seems extreme to me.
But if it is an opinion, then quote and the citation is the attribution. Without an official connection, we can't do that. Smallbones (talk) 19:51, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
I think I get where you're coming from now more than I did before. When PR writes contributed content or provides comment to the media, we're quoted or attributed in some way, but Wikipedia's model doesn't allow for attribution. Do you think this Talk page template reasonably satisfies that need?

{{Template:Connected contributor multi |User1=King4057| }}

The Wikipedia model doesn't allow fo self-attribution, as in "GM's PR firm said '....' " (edit summary User:GMPR)

but, if they publish it on a CC-BY-3.0 site, called, say PRpedia, and that site has different rules than us - including perhaps article ownership and public release of editor identity and some checking that the editor is who he says he is, then we can use it as is (with atribution to PRpedia in the edit summary), or quote and cite it as a ref (GM's PR firm on PRpedia). The template above looks better for use by an ordinary COI. I'd use a talk page template that say "This article has used material from PRpedia that is licensed CC-BY-3.0. The editors on this site may have a direct connection to the subject of this article."

Hope this helps. Smallbones (talk) 11:09, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Pennsylvania State Office Building‎[edit]

Hey bones --- thanks for grabbing and adding the photos of the Pennsylvania State Office Building‎. Nice pics!--Pubdog (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Eugene Plotkin[edit]

I don't see anything on the talk page that is relevant to what I changed. If you are putting something there now, then please ignore this message. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Link colors[edit]

See Help:Link color and User:Anomie/linkclassifier for help with link colors. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:06, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

New Nom[edit]

Well, back with a splash like they say here's my first dyk attempt in a while. I learned a lot about Sally Tanner, a lovely elderly former state legislator who happens to live down the road a pace. Hope you are well and survived your trip to Ferndale, California. Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:47, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]


Drop by to say hi!

 RexRowan  Talk  12:14, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't misunderstand[edit]

The AFD on the tax return page's result was a "DELETE", not "DELETE & MERGE". ViriiK (talk) 01:22, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

followup at merger proposal[edit]

Could you possibly please consider the further discussion, and comment again at Talk:Abraham Lincoln Birthplace National Historical Park#Merger proposal? --doncram 21:23, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand all of the rules on Wikipedia - still learning...[edit]

But why are unregistered users allowed to add and edit content, especially on a page that should be protected (like any political page). The timing of those unregistered edits are sometimes suspiciously aligned with registered users who aren't getting their way. At least that's been my observation.Jasonnewyork (talk) 21:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is "the encyclopedia that anybody can edit", always has been. Among other things that means that anons can edit, except in extreme circumstances. It was only a few years ago (afaik) that it was clarified that editing as an anon and under your user name was a violation of the sockpuppet rules. Well, you can't edit under multiple names or under a name AND as an anon. If you see strong evidence of that, you may request a sockpuppet investigation. I don't think that I've ever asked for one, but imagine that the evidence required is fairly daunting. All the best. Smallbones(smalltalk) 21:46, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
BTW, nobody understands "all of the rules on Wikipedia!" Smallbones(smalltalk) 21:47, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm guessing there is no way to look at IP addresses of individuals, so there is no real way to track it - unless anon users are carelessly obvious in the way they do their sockpuppeting. Thanks for the info.Jasonnewyork (talk) 22:15, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Love to get your reaction (reply)[edit]

Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you. Do you know about Wiki Loves Monuments? See

  • Not yet !! ( will look )

There a new part with California Landmarks, see California Historical Landmarks in Humboldt County, California

  • I saw that, nifty. We already have some of those photos uploaded. Weren't they good enough for the new page? I'm confused.

Also, please see WT:WikiProject_National_Register_of_Historic_Places#WLM_Android_App_from_WMF

  • Would love to see the app but I don't have a mobile phone. I'll have to get someone with an Android phone to show me how it works.

Other stuff... Do you want me to up load photos of Seth Kinman's stuff to Commons? We didn't have opportunity to talk about it since that day ! Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:31, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm seeing that you're getting a goodly number of photos from areas far more interesting than here. I recently uploaded my first photo to commons since being accused of being a newbie and a long-term copyright violator (I never did figure out how those two fit together) and so far no one has said to delete it. I am about to put it in the relevant article and see if that brings out the angry admin. I am sorry, but I don't think I will be adding much if anything to Commons during the beauty contest. In truth, we have no really interesting buildings; they are all small and common compared to other parts of the world. Nothing here is over 150 years old and most of our "historic sites" are metal plaques and you know where that got me when I was interested in all this. I really don't need some Commons admin with a bug in his ear about copyright lawn flamingos or metal house numbers leaving me more hate mail. Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:00, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Newbie seeking advice on a new article[edit]

The last section on my talk page is from a newbie who is seeking advice on a new art-related article he wants to create, but reviewers have rejected it three times. I have not put any links on your talk page, just let you know where to look. My idea is that perhaps this item could be added as a paragraph in an existing article, where the reviewers are just other editors, and not editors doing reviews of new articles. Anyway, we need to be kind to the newbies, so I hope you can help at least a little bit. --DThomsen8 (talk) 02:39, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Your last edit to {{NRHP row}}[edit]

I don't know enough about the coding to fix this myself, although it appears to me that the whole "if" string should go first. Because the button's appearing in every entry in every table whether there's an image there already or not. Daniel Case (talk) 03:11, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

That's what I figured (although you'll see on the template talk page that I'm not the only one confused by this. As it is, it looks like we're encouraging people to replace the existing photos (which, we know, we sometimes need to do, but not all of them) as well as submit new ones.

Re Richard M., I didn't get back to him today because I was busy with some pre-holiday weekend preparations. I'll drop him an email to that effect and see if we can connect over the weekend sometime. Daniel Case (talk) 04:37, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

GLAM: Philadelphia Museum of Art update[edit]

Hi GLAM PMA folks! I wanted to update you about some recent events related to our fantastic Museum. I met Jessica Milby, PMA Collections Information Project Manager, at Wikimania in July. Jessica was looking for ways to improve articles on Wikipedia about the Museum and its artists/collections. We followed up a few weeks later at the Perelman Building in downtown Philadelphia where we discussed ways to increase participation in the GLAM/PMA project.

  • The first idea is to do some outreach to the GLAM:PMA project members, including mass messages updating you all about plans and, seeking feedback about new ideas, and hearing your thoughts about what's in the works.
  • The next step is a drive to improve the main Philadelphia Museum of Art article. The article is currently 'B-Class', but Jessica was confident that with the abundance of high quality sources about the Museum that it could be improved even further. Jessica recommended this extensive source from the Museum's website.
  • Another idea that came out of the meeting was a project within the Museum to assess which PMA-related topics are missing articles on Wikipedia.
  • One of Jessica's ideas is to have the knowledgeable curators of the Museum provide recommended reading lists for PMA-related articles. That should be a great first step to guiding editors towards the information they need to expand and improve that content.
  • Also raised for discussion were some ideas about how to engage the broader community. There is interest in setting up a tour/edit-a-thon, but this remains in the preliminary stage. Would you be interested in participating in such an event?
  • We have new stats! These 24 articles are all under the PMA project. I compiled the last 90-day page views and then annualized the results. PMA-related articles get almost 800,000 view per year!

It's exciting to have a partner in Jessica Milby and there should be a lot of good work coming out the collaboration within the next 3-6 months. Please stop by the GLAM/PMA project page and leave your thoughts. What ideas do you have? How can we move forward on the above projects? I Hope you're all well. Cheers! Ocaasi 19:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Pennsylvania counties NRHP[edit]

Thanks - I got two more covered bridges today and both are my favorite kind - still in use and no steel beams added. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:42, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks - I got full picture sets of seven of the Columbia County covered bridges recently (both portals, interior pano, rafters, floor, girders underneath, sides, etc.) which I am slowly uploading to Commons. I also have picturs of the Factory Bridge from a few years ago, and more detailed pics of some of the others in Union County. I hope to go back and get the rest of the remaining Columbia County covered bridges when I can - three of them on the Register are gone and one is moved to a housing development (I can pics of that one). Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Brow Monument and Brow Monument trail picture deletion[edit]

hi. thanks for filling me in on the picture disappearing. i thought that i had fixed the problem with the license quite a while ago. i'd left out the dept of interior's code but went out and got it. i never got a message after september 12th, indicating that there was an issue with it. i don't know if you saw it before it was deleted but it was a pic of a coast and geodetic survey marker at the location of brow monument. should i go back and reload it and make sure all the licensing stuff is as it should be? bpolkAbearfellow (talk) 18:41, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

thanks. i got your response. i'll give it another try with the picture and make sure

everything is filled in. Abearfellow (talk) 19:07, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

hi. i reloaded the picture [16] and i believe that all of the licensing stuff is exactly right. could you tell me how to go about putting it back in where it was or would it be smarter for you to check it out to see if i did it right and put it back in? I'm more than glad to take a stab at it. but, as with most stabs, it will probably be bloodyAbearfellow (talk) 20:43, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
thanks so much for taking care of that. how long does it take for someone to actually become comfortable with the "language" of wiki? all of the technical stuff? seems like learning a new programming language or a new foreign language. very interesting world bill polkAbearfellow (talk) 20:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
ok, i added my copyright information in the license section - it seems a bit confusing. i understand that theoretically someone could own the copyright to the button and that i own the copyright to the photograph of the button - a copyright on reality and a copyright on the image of reality so to speak. how come there aren't two distinct license fields for something like that. learn something new every few minutesAbearfellow (talk) 21:10, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

OK I did something wrong again[edit]

Hi Smallbones... I uploaded the picture to the right

but I can't figure out how to enter it in the contest. It never occurred to me there was a separate process for uploading photos for the contest, is that the only way to get them in the contest entries? If so, this one won't count. But would be good to know before I try uploading anything else. As you can see in the photo we finally got visibility over 1/4 mile. But not much. Cheers. Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


Although I'm not terribly familiar with the details of this case, I was surprised to see you go the other way. I was wondering if your attitude was changing overall or if it was this case in particular. I myself have shifted over time as I gain experience on both sides. Corporate 00:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

"As Jimbo has pointed out - it is outsiders, mostly the press - that enforces the "rules" against paid editing. Why shouldn't we have our own rules and enforce them ourselves?"
BTW, I would love to help with the development of a paid advocacy policy, but only if I am welcome. Cheers. Corporate 18:54, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Hey Smallbones, that was really nice of you to respond to my barnstar note about your fabulous work on Wiki Loves Monuments!
I think this is a great example of a successful editor engagement program, for a variety of reasons:
  • it gives you a way to contribute to Wikipedia that is both fun and useful
  • it gives you a good reason to create an account, if you haven't already
  • it gives you a sense of belonging to a global movement while acting locally
  • it gives you a simple to-do list of specific tasks that can be completed in a relatively short amount of time
  • it gives you enough creative freedom to take the photos that you think are most relevant to the task
  • it makes you feel more confident that your contribution will not be edited inappropriately
  • it lets you interact with people face-to-face in the places you visit, rather than only interacting online
  • it gives you an opportunity to collect data in the field that can lead to better articles
  • it encourages current editors to write or expand more articles after they take the photos
I really enjoyed participating as a volunteer in this contest, and found it a very compelling way to contribute to Wikipedia. As a result, I now plan to start articles on some of the historic sites I photographed which do not have articles yet. (Thanks for your kind words about my Fort Barry and Fort Baker shots.)
And in my official role as product manager at Wikimedia, I look forward to applying some of the lessons learned from this successful project to some of our other editor engagement programs.
Thanks again for making all this possible! Fabrice Florin (talk) 19:03, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
I second that! Thanks for all your fine work on this project.--Pubdog (talk) 00:56, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Photos of pending listings[edit]

Do you upload photos of pending listings, and/or do you know of others who do? I'm considering creating a Commons category as a holding pen for such images, and I'd like your opinion on whether it would be useful. Please reply at my talk page, since I've also asked for input from Ammodramus and Ebyabe. Nyttend (talk) 13:18, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


Could you please comment on this on the MKuCR talk page.
Thank you in advance. --Paul Siebert (talk) 20:09, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Not sure it would be useful. Smallbones(smalltalk) 20:54, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
There's one way to find out! I have suggested we restrict the mediation to just two people acting as representatives and think you and Paul would be the best choices. Doing things this way should dramatically simplify and speed up the process. I hope you accept. AmateurEditor (talk) 21:48, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Or you could say no. But saying something would help... AmateurEditor (talk) 23:34, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Photos[edit]

This wouldn't be an issue if there was more prose to move your photos to. I want more of the lead photos to show the entire thing basically, then when there is prose, to move the specific building shots into the prose. This simple issue could be solved if someone just expanded the article, and we'd have the room for two+ photos. Mitch32(Victim of public education, 17 years and counting) 19:39, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Also I use Sunset mode on my camera, which gives it the darker tendency. I think it looks better than just a bland sky. Mitch32(Victim of public education, 17 years and counting) 19:42, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


Your edit on Multichill's page gave me an earbug. Unable to get the song out of my head, I had to resort to a video. Now I have "Beam me up, Scotty, I must..." stuck instead. I blame you. LaughingOutLoad.gif Thundersnow 17:15, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Charles Caroll High School[edit]

I added mention of the Charles Caroll High School in Port Richmond, Philadelphia as named in honor of Charles Carroll of Carrollton, a son of today's featured article, Charles Carroll the Settler. There is no article about this high school, but high schools are considered notable in almost every case. How difficult is it to create another Philadelphia public high school article? I have photos of the building, and I added a reference for the high school web site. --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:38, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

A personal appeal[edit]

Smallbones, I wish to make a personal appeal to you regarding the article Mass killings under Communist regimes. I first found that article last year, shortly before it was locked. Since then, I've come back to it every few months, curious to see if any progress had been made. Last month, after seeing that the deadlock has continued with no end in sight - despite pages and pages of debate - I decided to take a more active interest in it. The situation seems hopeless, with no consensus possible on anything, but maybe we can change that. In my opinion, the dispute has become too personal, too bitter, and all sides must be willing to bury the hatchet and work together if any progress is to be made.

I am a relatively new contributor to the debate. I do not hide the fact that I disagree with you, Nug and Collect on the issue of the article's opening sentence. However, that is not my main concern. My main concern is that the deadlock needs to end and the dispute(s) need to be resolved. That is never going to happen unless people with different opinions collaborate to improve the article. So this is the appeal I wish to make: Please work with me on writing an "Estimates" section. I will try to get other people involved as well, and I will do my best to ensure that all personal hostility is kept out of it. Please, let's collaborate. -- Amerul (talk) 02:45, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

If you want to write an estimates section, please do. Smallbones(smalltalk) 03:03, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Will you help in writing it? That is the gist of my request. -- Amerul (talk) 03:15, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm sure you can write exactly what you want. Just do it! Smallbones(smalltalk) 03:20, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Of course I can write what I want. The point is to make sure that we also include what you want in the section, so that we can have consensus on adding it to the article. The point is also to practice working together, so that we can reduce hostility and get used to resolving disputes.
I can write the section on my own if you really don't want to be involved, but please, at least tell me what you'd like to see in such a section. I don't want to write something and then find out that it is unacceptable to you, Nug or Collect. I wish to compromise with you, but in order to compromise I need to know what you want. -- Amerul (talk) 03:28, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
All I want is to see is real estimates from real scholars and journalist of the number of people killed in mass-killings by Communist regimes. All I've seen previously from those folks who have wanted to delete the article are essentially arguments that all estimates are nonsense, which sooner-or-later comes down to denial that there were any mass killings. If they can't come up with estimates that they are comfortable with, they are just wasting my time. A typical discussion with them has come down to them saying "I have a source that questions you estimate, so you have to remove it." or an estimate being included in one line, followed by OR criticisms on the following 10 lines. Please don't do that. Now please write your estimates section and don't waste my time. Smallbones(smalltalk) 03:40, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I understand that you do not wish to participate in writing the section. My current plan is to include as many different estimates as I can find, as well as whatever criticisms I can find of those estimates. Ideally, each source should get one paragraph describing its estimates, followed by a similarly-sized paragraph of criticism (if such criticism can be found). The section will not try to summarize the various estimates into a single range, but will present them each separately. Is this acceptable? -- Amerul (talk) 03:52, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Just do it! Smallbones(smalltalk) 04:01, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Very well, I will start. -- Amerul (talk) 04:02, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Oliver Hazard Perry[edit]

I noticed you added Articles linked to QRPedia to Alexander Macomb (General). I think Perry should be linked, too. Particularly in light of the impending bicentenial. 7&6=thirteen () 13:38, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Linton Stevens Covered Bridge Misspelled[edit]


I got the following email today from April Frantz of the Pennsylvania Bureau of Historic Preservation with an attached email from the National Register of Historic Places, stating that the name of our covered bridge has officially been change to the Linton Stephens covered bridge. (Listed under Pennsylvania below.)

Can you now correct the spelling in your information?


Kent Vendrick

Hello Kent—We just received notification from the NPS that they have also now changed the spelling of the Linton Stephens Covered Bridge (see email list below). Future searches of either our database or their records should now reflect the correct spelling. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, and if you have any additional questions, please call or email me again. Best wishes—April

April E. Frantz | National Register Program Bureau for Historic Preservation | PHMC 400 North Street | Harrisburg, PA 17120-0093 717.783.9922 |

From: [17] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 5:08 PM To:; Subject: National Register Weekly List 11/09/2012

November 9, 2012

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FLORIDA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, Temple Terrace Golf Course, 200 Inverness Ave., Temple Terrace, 12000888, LISTED, 10/30/12

HAWAII, HONOLULU COUNTY, Lishman Building, Makiki Park, Keeaumoku St., Honolulu, 78001023, REMOVED, 10/28/12

ILLINOIS, DU PAGE COUNTY, Naperville Historic District, Roughly bounded by Juilian, Highland, Chicago, Jackson, Eagle, and 5th Sts., Naperville, 77001516, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 10/31/12

IOWA, HARDIN COUNTY, Washington Avenue Commercial Historic District, 401-714 Washington Ave., 300 blk. Stephens, & 200 & 300 blks. Oak Sts., Iowa Falls, 12000889, LISTED, 10/31/12

IOWA, LINN COUNTY, Iowa Wind Mill and Pump Company Office and Warehouse, 42 7th Ave., SW., Cedar Rapids, 12000890, LISTED, 10/31/12 (Cedar Rapids, Iowa MPS)

MAINE, ANDROSCOGGIN COUNTY, Lamb Block, 10 Depot St., Livermore Falls, 12000891, LISTED, 10/31/12

MAINE, HANCOCK COUNTY, Free Baptist Church of Great Pond, The, 1231 Great Pond Rd., Great Pond, 12000892, LISTED, 10/31/12

MAINE, KENNEBEC COUNTY, Androscoggin Yacht Club, 22 Lake St., Wayne, 12000893, LISTED, 10/31/12

MAINE, LINCOLN COUNTY, Wiscasset Historic District, Roughly Parker, Dresden, Bradford, Main, and Federal Sts., Wiscasset, 73000242, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 10/31/12

MISSOURI, JOHNSON COUNTY, Griebel, Lewis and Sophie, House, 300 W. Gay St., Warrensburg, 12000895, LISTED, 10/31/12 (Warrensburg, Missouri MPS)

NEW MEXICO, BERNALILLO COUNTY, Albuquerque Veterans Administration Medical Center, 2100 Ridgecrest, SE, Albuquerque, 83001614, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION and BOUNDARY CLARIFICATION APPROVED, 10/31/12 (United States Second Generation Veterans Hospitals MPS)

OHIO, CUYAHOGA COUNTY, Euclid Heights Historic District, Mayfield, Coventry, Cedar, Overlook, Cleveland Heights, 12000897, LISTED, 10/31/12

OREGON, JACKSON COUNTY, Washington Elementary School, 610 S. Peach St., Medford, 12000899, LISTED, 10/31/12

OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Portland Oregon's Eastside Historic and Architectural Resources, 1850-1938 MPS, ADDITIONAL COVER DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 11/01/12

OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Rose City Golf Clubhouse, 2200 NE 71st Ave., Portland, 12000900, LISTED, 10/31/12

OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Sengstake Building, 310 NW Broadway, Portland, 12000901, LISTED, 10/31/12

PENNSYLVANIA, CHESTER COUNTY, Stephens, Linton, Covered Bridge, SW of New London on T 344, Nottingham/New London Townships, New London vicinity, 80003466, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 10/31/12 (Covered Bridges of Chester County TR)

SOUTH CAROLINA, LEXINGTON COUNTY, Guignard Brick Works, 100 Granby Crossing at Knox Abbot Dr., Cayce, 95000019, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 10/31/12

VIRGINIA, APPOMATTOX COUNTY, Holliday Lake State Park, 2759 State Park Rd., Appomattox vicinity, 12000903, LISTED, 10/31/12 (Virginia State Parks built by New Deal Programs MPS)

VIRGINIA, CUMBERLAND COUNTY, Bear Creek Lake State Park, 22 Bear Creek Lake Rd., Cumberland vicinity, 12000904, LISTED, 10/31/12 (Virginia State Parks built by New Deal Programs MPS)

VIRGINIA, HAMPTON INDEPENDENT CITY, Old Wythe Historic District, Roughly bounded by Hanover St., Pear Ave., Hampton, & Kecoughtan Rds., Hampton (Independent City), 12000905, LISTED, 10/31/12

VIRGINIA, PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY, Twin Lakes State Park, 788 Twin Lakes Rd., Green Bay vicinity, 12000906, LISTED, 10/31/12 (Virginia State Parks built by New Deal Programs MPS)

WISCONSIN, DANE COUNTY, Savage House, SR 1, Stoughton vicinity, 80000392, REMOVED, 11/02/12 (Cooksville MRA)

WISCONSIN, WINNEBAGO COUNTY, Buckstaff Observatory, 2119 N. Main St., Oshkosh, 79000119, REMOVED, 11/02/12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:54, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

What was the original spelling, vs. what is the new spelling? Was it about "Stephen" vs. "Steven" perhaps?
And there was "Additional documentation approved" about that property. Additional documentation approvals happen frequently, but can be about other matters, like correcting the number of contributing vs. non-contributing properties. Many CT NRHP documents include such later change documents, pre-pended within the PDF that holds the NRHP nomination document. Clearly some boundary change items convey new, broader names of districts. But I am not aware of an "additional documentation" focused just on a name change. --doncram 22:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
This is entirely out of the blue to me, but I read it as a notification that "the name of our covered bridge has officially been change to the Linton Stephens covered bridge" from the Linton Stevens Covered Bridge. Interestingly, we had both, 1 on the county list, the other on the Covered Bridges in PA list. I may have picked up something from a street sign. I can understand why folks would be sensitive about the name of their favorite NRHP site - everybody misspells my last name. No bones about it. Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:43, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Louisville and 51%[edit]

I've never before seen these pages; they're quite interesting. Unfortunately, I can't actively contribute to anything new; St Louis is far enough that I can't conveniently reach it — I was in the metro area in early September, but my goal was Randolph County, Illinois and Ste Genevieve, MO, and I only got two pictures in metro St Louis. Even then I had to stay overnight, and I'm definitely not doing any more camping trips until spring. My next goal for "out west" is Little Egypt; I'd like to get a sites on the route from the Cape to Cairo, and my main goal is the eastern border from Cairo upstream to the mouth of the Wabash. The area doesn't have a very dense concentration of sites, but I'd really like to see Cairo and the Black Bottom, and the sparse concentration of sites means that it's easier to get more counties fully illustrated. Meanwhile, note that Jackson County, MO and Pulaski County, AR (Kansas City and Little Rock) are far more sparsely illustrated than St Louis.

At any rate, thanks for the note :-) I would have gotten them online sooner, but there were so many (and I'm really busy) that it took me nearly two months to do them. I'd put off getting photos in the metro area because the bridge closure made crossing the river an hours-long process for several months, but with it open I decided to make the trip; now I've gotten at least one site in all 92 Indiana counties. Nyttend (talk) 20:17, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Georgiana Burne-Jones[edit]

I'd lik to tag team on that, but not sure when I'll have any time. I have several good references... Thanks for pointing out the book in the painting. I hadn't really paid attention to it. -- PKM (talk) 06:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

That unfinished sandbox is a fine beginning to the article. The user started it in June but has never done anything since. I don't suppose you know who that is? I'd really like to use the material and add some citations from other sources (most in the Further Reading list currently). I have the 2 books on the Macdonald sisters... - PKM (talk) 05:46, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
if it's a close paraphrase of something else, there's a good chance I have the source. I haven't read the biographies in about 7 years but I have at least four group bios that include Georgiana, so I can certainly add references and citations.
I am unclear on the protocol of rewriting someone else's sandbox. It seems that if the draft is legitimate, we need to ensure that the original editor gets credit.
I also think describing GBJ as an artist is stretching the point. Many people want to make art, but does that make thm artists?
Let me do some digging this weekend... - PKM (talk) 04:00, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
PS here is an online reference for you.  :-) - PKM (talk) 04:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
[Later that same night...] Well. This article spends much more time on G's artistic ambitions than most of my references, so I think we need to look at Jan Marsh and and Pamela Gerrish Nunn's Women Artists and the Pre-Raphaelite Movement, which I don't own (but I could be persuaded to pick up a copy, if one is available). The article stops in 1868 - before Red House, or G's serious illness, or any of EBJ's notorious liaisons, or G's involvement with socialism. If it's to be continued at this level of detail it will be a very long article indeed. The editorial comments on the external links are amusing, and overall I don't think we're dealing with plagiarism...the single-source is a byproduct of only direct quotations being footnoted (and that source is PD in any case). The complete absence of socialism from the lede is interesting.
I suggest we email the editor (there's a link) and see if (?)she has any plans to continue and if not, is happy for us to pick up the draft. I am willing to do the outreach, but would like your thoughts first. - PKM (talk) 05:46, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Sounds like a plan! - PKM (talk) 19:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
I'll tackle it if you don't. I can do a stub fairly easily, just need time. Maybe after Thanksgiving. - PKM (talk) 05:42, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm working on this, but it will be in small increments. I have a stack of references with bookmarks stuck in them on my table. Slow and steady! - PKM (talk) 03:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, and thanks for the clean-ups. I was getting pretty burned-out by the end... - PKM (talk) 03:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I owe you for taking this on after I bailed out. It now makes sense to me (after you explain it all so clearly), but was just an interesting jumble that I never could find the key to. All the best. Smallbones(smalltalk) 03:22, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Park Site[edit]

Since you're the photographer for Park Site, I'd like your input — does this need disambiguation? Pubdog created it at Park Site 36La96, but since 36LA96 is simply the site number, it's not part of the name. Should we add "(placename, Pennsylvania)" after it, or would the current name be better? Nyttend (talk) 15:52, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, what would you think of Park Site (36LA96)? Letters in site numbers are virtually always capitalised; I don't know why NRIS doesn't here. My only objection is to the idea of making it seem as if it's part of the site's name. Meanwhile, as far as the image: you can see what I think of photos of brush and trees by looking at the infobox images for Conrad Mound Archeological Site and Swan's Landing Archeological Site. Have you tried getting a photo of the area around the plaque and concrete markers mentioned on page 2 of the nomination? They should be on the knoll by the radio tower near the park entrance, since the nomination says that the site is midway between the Mill and Conestoga Creeks at the spot where they're closest to each other by their confluence. Of course I understand that Lancaster isn't next door to Philadelphia; I'm not asking you to go there this afternoon :-) Nyttend (talk) 17:09, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
I've tried looking for information on the concept of the Smithsonian trinomial, but I've found surprisingly little; I'm guessing that it's taught in archaeology classes in college, since just about every published source either uses them without explaining them or simply refers to them in passing, like this one. I've found helpful pages, but they're typically blogs or other unreliable sources. I wouldn't have known the term "Smithsonian trinomial" in the first place if it weren't for Dr. William Whittaker, who explained to me how they work. What do you think of my current revision of the article's introduction? Nyttend (talk) 02:48, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I didn't do anything with "at the township"; I simply revised the "designated 36LA96" bit. Judging by the nomination form, the site encompasses the entire knoll on which the tower sits, so you wouldn't need to find the concrete markers if you didn't want to. Thanks for the website link, too. Nyttend (talk) 03:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Downtown Wayne Commercial Historic District[edit]

Hi Smallbones ... I'm not clear what you're asking me. What kind of documentation are you looking for? Here's the NPS announcement, if that's what you want. If it's in the Philly suburbs, what does it have to do with districts in Fort Wayne (Indiana, I assume?) and Nebraska? --sanfranman59 (talk) 22:29, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

The only source I know of for good information about historic districts is the nomination forms and I don't know how soon Pennsylvania makes its forms available. You probably know more than I about that. --sanfranman59 (talk) 00:16, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


I've had a ton of talk page messages, so I missed yours until just now. As you suspected, it was an edit conflict; I had no clue that I was doing anything except modifying the Brownsville image. Nyttend (talk) 00:14, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Ara Pacis[edit]

Hi. You've added a media link to what seems a very decent scholarly site, but it sat very oddly within the article... though probably better than it does now. I've messed with the syntax a little (well, OK, a lot) in trying to embed it within the external link section. That's where I think it would belong. Of course, you could just revert me, but you do seem au fait with the technicalities and I was wondering, is there a better way to link the site? Best, Haploidavey (talk) 23:11, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I've self-reverted. Your original works better. Haploidavey (talk) 23:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Abbey of Saint Denis[edit]

Boxes with external links, like videos, shouldn't be in the substance of the article, but in the External links section. However, I have tried to move it to the right section and couldn't make it work because it contains references. Can you please take a look and see if you can work out how to format it so that it sits successfully in the External links section?

Amandajm (talk) 19:04, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

I must confess that I haven't actually looked at the video itself yet. I'm using someone else's computer and have very little access. I'm trying to sort out about 50 edits someone has made to an article, but only a few of which are actually useful, and I'm feeling frustrated about it because of time limitations.... Amandajm (talk) 19:32, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

re your note[edit]

I might play after Christmas. I will have a few days free. How about File:Adoration of the Magi Tapestry.png?

And a merry Chistmas to you as well! - PKM (talk) 22:09, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings[edit]

Corymbia ficifolia Flowers.jpg Merry Christmas
Thanks for the good wishes. Here's to a productive WP new year! (talk) 01:16, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


Thanks, oh my most constant observer! Same to you. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 13:06, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for the Christmas greetings - I will send something out closer to the day. I got pictures of the remaining NRHP sites in Union County, PA today (except the Griffey House, which is gone :( . Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:51, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

And on Earth peace...[edit]

... and good will towards people! --Orange Mike | Talk 03:51, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry X-Mas to you too!![edit]

Why thank you! Given your perspective on PR pros I can never be quite sure if we're really friends ;-)

Our elderly dog just passed away a few months ago, which makes this the first time in years my wife and I get to travel without worrying about who's going to change his diapers, etc. My wife and I's x-mas will be on a cruise!! CorporateM (Talk) 13:18, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you ...[edit]

... for the Christmas greetings. I wish you and your family the best. (And great new shots of Wayne!) BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:36, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Delaware NRHP places[edit]

Chapeltown, Delaware and Dutch Neck Crossroads, Delaware mention that they have NRHP buildings, but the links are red. Please take a look and fix the links, if possible.

Thank you for the Christmas greeting. I have news, but it can keep. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:24, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi from the peanut gallery, replying in part because I saw Smallbones mention that he may not be on Wikipedia much for a holiday period now. The first one mentioned shows a bluelink for an NRHP-listed place. Although I can't see what edit changed that from a redlink, it seems resolved for you. The second one shows a redlink for NRHP-listed Allee House (currently shows as a redlink). But it is fine to have such a redlink, isn't it? The same redlink appears in National Register of Historic Places listings in Kent County, Delaware, which verifies that the Allee House is indeed NRHP-listed. Smallbones or I or any one of many other editors could easily create a stub article for the Allee House, and even create a pretty good article using the NRHP nomination document which should be available online for this place (as a Delaware NRHP, for which almost all NRHP nom docs are online, see wp:NRHPhelp), but there's no reason it has to be done now, AFAIC. It would be fine, also, simply to create the article, but, Dthomsen8, does this address your concern already? Holiday cheers, also.... --doncram 04:16, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Smallbones, see my reply at User talk:Doncram. --DThomsen8 (talk) 02:28, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas![edit]

Advent wreath and Christmas pyramid.JPG Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas 2012!

Happy New Year and all the best in 2013!

Thanks for all you do here,

and best wishes for the year to come.
Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:42, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Season's Greetings[edit]

Merry Christmas, Peace, Good will, Happy New Year, and all the best in 2013! --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:42, 25 December 2012 (UTC) Nativity tree.jpg

New Covered Bridge photos[edit]

I am somewhat amazed at the quantity and general quality of the new trove of covered bridge pictures - there are several I assumed we would never get photos of (as they no longer exist). I occasionally have dreams like this, where I suddenly stumble on a store with a complete set of something I collect, only to wake up. This feels like that, only I am pretty sure it is not a dream ;-) travel safely, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:33, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Norfolk Public Library (Connecticut)[edit]

As a lover of architecture, I think you'll appreciate this building. I've long admired it, and finally began a page on it last night. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your additions. I took your recommendation on changing the title.
Have a great New Year's.
BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


Okay that's it for now! I think I have more on the Hope stained glass in other books, but need to go digging. I go back to work on Wednesday, so free time will be tight again. Happy New Year... - PKM (talk) 04:29, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Please don't sign articles[edit]

Do you think I put in a signature at the top of an article on purpose? I probably happened because when a page is slow to form the buttons at the top are place in place after the text. So if you are quick a click the page to get focus can belatedly cause a '''Bold text''', ''Italic text'', or --~~~~ etc to be placed at the top of the edit area because the page take the click for focus a a button press. It was my mistake and an error in spotting it, but an error like that does not need a homily "copy edit - please don't sign articles" unless you have evidence that it was deliberate. -- PBS (talk) 19:43, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

QRpedia plaques[edit]

Hi friend,

Happy new year! Have you still got the sample plaques I left in DC? If so, I could do with them back, please. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:33, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year![edit]

The Winter Walk at Anglesey Abbey - - 862583.jpg Best wishes for the New Year!
Wishing you and yours a joyous, healthful, and productive 2013!

Please accept a belated thank you for the well wishes upon my retirement as FAC delegate, and apologies for the false alarm of my first—and hopefully last—retirement; the well wishes extended me were most kind, but I decided to return, re-committed, when another blocked sock was revealed as one of the factors aggravating the FA pages this year.

Maintaining standards in featured content requires vigilance, dedication and knowledge of people like you, who are needed; reviews are always welcome at FAC, FAR and TFA requests. Somehow, somehow we never ever seem to do nothin' completely nice and easy, but here's hoping that 2013 will see a peaceful road ahead and a return to the quality and comaraderie that defines the FA process, with the help of many dedicated Wikipedians!

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:19, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Evergreen Apology[edit]

I sincerely apologize for harming your edit(s) at the Evergreen articles. With respect to written content on these two articles, my intention is not to ever touch them again.

The anonymous edits which unduly nitpicked (in my opinion) my additions and added the "term paper" tag were most likely retribution for a challenge I engaged elsewhere on a completely different subject. The intention of the gross reversion was to completely remove my contributions and restore the pages to their appearance before my arrival. In other words, if my free research and free writing aren't good enough, well fuggit, I'll keep them to myself, and the thousands of others who are researching Evergreen can 'belly up.'

With respect to the image content I am nearly finished, too. I will replace the photos of the Smyser and McPherson obelisks at a later date with ones which were taken on a sunny late afternoon. As far as the photo of the cannon inside the Cemetery, I think winter is the right time of year for the photo because the observer can clearly see through the trees to the SNM.

I believe there's a problem if the Gatehouse article doesn't display a modern photograph. A modern photograph answers the question, did the Gatehouse only exist at the time of the Battle or does it still exist today? The text on the Gatehouse article does not answer this foremost question. Also, I risked my life by sitting on the Baltimore Pike in the 'running lane' to obtain a modern photo which 1) eliminated the garrish modern traffic sign (in front of the left pillar) and 2) de-emphasized the later (garrish) additions to the original structure.

I kinda wish they'd repaint the Gatehouse. Can you imagine it with a maroonish color?

Once again, here is a sincere, "I'm sorry." Obsession doesn't always indicate an insistence on control. At the time my wife and I were purchasing our plot in Evergreen, I began to think, "The Cemetery and Gatehouse should have better Wiki articles." While I was researching for my own benefit, I edited my findings into the Wiki articles.

As far as text is concerned, there is nothing more to find or (attempt to) add. I will continue to study the effects of lighting and season on the beauty of the Cemetery, but my 'reading and writing' research has submerged into the microminutae of the Petersburg Campaign.--Donaldecoho (talk) 12:07, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Portrait of Madame X[edit]

Did you happen to see Madame X when she was in Phila about a decade ago? PMA's Eakins show went on to the Met, and the Met loaned Jefferson Madame X in exchange for The Gross Clinic. Jefferson wasn't allowed to advertise it, and I only saw it thru the bars but it was here for a while.
Thanks for your work on Carl Conrads. I hope we've helped Carptrash lift him out of obscurity.
Happy New Year! BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:58, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Photos of all CPs in HDs[edit]

Saw your comment some time ago to the guy in Charleston, South Carolina regarding getting a photo of each contributing property in an HD. I began doing this largely because I like having a table with all the CPs for an HD article, as seen in Steele Dunning Historic District, although I've only done it around Bloomington because it takes so much time. I've kept up doing it (including in non-NR districts) for two reasons: (1) I'm about done with school and will be moving, so this way I may be able to have photos in HDs that they list in future years; and (2) I've found that the Indiana SHPO uses a lot of my photos, and I figure that putting photos online is a good permanent method of documentation. I've been surprised and gratified to see how frequently my photos get used online; one became a book cover, and another is used by Britannica! Nyttend (talk) 18:00, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Got the email (but with difficulty; it was caught in my spam filter!), and first off — I'm sorry that I overreacted. My message of 14 August expressed my weariness from multiple people's attempts to get me to do something with which I disagreed; I had given up on advocating the position except when asked and was hoping that others would go along as if I'd not participated. Meanwhile, I'd not noticed that we'd illustrated the majority of sites; do you know when that happened? Indiana is over 90% done, with 73 of 92 counties fully illustrated (and two of the incomplete ones were complete until last week's recent listings; I hope to photograph both next week) and all counties past 50% except Marshall (where they keep producing lots of new listings) and puny Pulaski, with just six sites. Thanks for all the work in metro Philadelphia (I still remember with a smile the model dinosaurs at that one site in Camden County) and other parts of the East Coast; I'd love to be in an area with such a high concentration of sites. I'm surprised that you've not had more photos reused; have you looked around with Google? Except for the book, which the editor told me about (I know him in real life), I found them by looking for "Nyttend" in Google Images. And thanks for the encouragement regarding jobs; I'm going to consider looking in the public-history field as well, which is due partly to this guy's influence. Nyttend (talk) 20:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Not surprised that File:Growlery reconst Douglass.JPG got reused with its colors; I doubt I could get a picture of that quality. Since my goal is generally documentation, I work to get good representative photos of as many sites as possible and don't really have the equipment or knowledge to get high-quality individual photos. Nyttend (talk) 20:37, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
[18] We went over 50% on October 7, while still placing some of the WLM-2012 files. 45947 sites (52.23%) as of January 1, 2013. Let's see - 2.25% (say) in 3 months ==> 9% per year. Only about 5 years before everything is fully illustrated! (talk about jumping to conclusions). Actually, a reasonable goal - say 90% illustrated for 90% of the counties could come a lot faster - say we get a few more User:KLOTZ's (on Commons), WLM continues to give 5-6% per year, maybe we find another 10% in HABS or a SHPO decides to free some photos - who knows.
I'll procede as if everybody is ok with upload buttons and try to find a way to minimize the visual impact, perhaps year round. Feel free to join in any discussion, and I promise not to over-react. Thanks for the encouragement on my photos: I searched "Smallbones" on Google images - believe it or not, I found a lot of photos of small bones! Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:17, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Pretty impressive totals. I'm going to guess that we'll get more counties with high completion percentages before we get high raw numbers if we can pick up more photographers, simply because of the low concentrations of sites in some areas; I easily got every site in six Illinois counties back in September, simply because I was going to drive right past all of them (except for a few in one town) anyway, and there were just sixteen in all six counties put together. Unfortunately, I won't be able to contribute many more new sites before graduating, since the closest "new" areas require several hours of driving. Nyttend (talk) 03:14, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi from Dthomsen8[edit]

I am in the Magee Hospital and not able to lg on.

I have the FLP Central ready to have a wiki event Feb 23, but caaot do it. a you go do it?

Reply here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:38, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

I'll be there, leave info here or send me an e-mail. Get better quick! Smallbones(smalltalk) 01:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
GOOD! You can contact the boss of the director mr root or his events director, Daneil Shiffnner, and tell him we want a firm date of Feb 23rd because the date taht Wik is has events all over the country. Contact Pharos in NY for money and ideas. They have an event that day and I'm sure you can find them. You should contact boringhistoryguy and other Philadelphians who can participate. I certainly hope that I'll be able to do everything by then. I will try to get properly logged on soon. NOW! --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
How are you doing?--DThomsen8 (talk) 17:16, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

A personal favor[edit]

Paul Siebert has decided that it doesn't make sense for him to put any more time and effort into the workpage for Mass killings under Communist regimes given our poor track record of actually agreeing on significant edits to the article. Could you please look over the "Genocide" subsection at the workpage and add whatever you feel is necessary to make it acceptable to both you and Paul. This way, we can demonstrate that progress can be made under the current article sanctions. Thanks in advance. AmateurEditor (talk) 00:50, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Your external media box with thumbnail alignment issue[edit]

I played around with this. Kudos for working on adding a thumbnail. We really need one.

The spacing problem is that the image and the external media box are both right-aligned inside your right-aligned white box, and I can't figure out how to fix it. The external media box won't center-align inside the right-aligned box (I did get it left-align, so I'm sure the alignment is the issue). I have very little experience making boxes, and I don't know how to make the box work the way it needs to. So far I am stuck. Hope this helps.

We might try making a version of the external media template that has a thumbnail inside it... - PKM (talk) 05:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out I didn't sign my warnings[edit]

This was as you probably realise an oversight; some user talk templates automatically sign the posts. Also, some generate headers and some do not. Very frustrating. Usually I check but I must have forgotten on those occasions. --MegaSloth (talk) 11:44, 31 January 2013 (UTC)


I saw the plaque in the videos (and in person), but couldn't figure it out. After not finding a NRHP listing, I thought perhaps the house was part of a new (or planned) historic district, but couldn't find anything. A puzzlement.
Best, BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:55, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I looked at Mill Creek Historic District (Bryn Mawr and Gladwyne, Pennsylvania), but the mansion is outside even its expanded borders. Oddly, Clement Griscom's son built an estate on a hill above what is now the Gladwyne Exit, and named it Dolobran. That Dolobran IS within the Mill Creek Historic District. Curiouser. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:14, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Nice additions to Dolobran. Your box looks good, as do the photos. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:21, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
I just came across your photos on Wiki Commons. Great stuff! BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Nice photos, but ...[edit]

... do you think you could crop out the black bits before using them please? Pdfpdf (talk) 07:49, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Any help appreciated - What help can I give? Pdfpdf (talk) 09:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

LOC photo event[edit]

hi, if you're in town on monday there's an event at the LOC. [19]. Farmbrough's revenge†@1₭ 03:01, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Will have to miss it. Smallbones(smalltalk) 03:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Peer review[edit]

Hello. We need help at this peer review, regarding Frank L. VanderSloot. We would all like to have a reviewer with a WP:Neutral point of view, one who will help us with the formatting of one section in the article. I hope you are that editor. Thanks, GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:41, 20 February 2013 (UTC)