**'''Support'''. Anyone who doesn't know who Keith Olberman is demonstrates his extreme ignorance of American culture and therefore complete lack of background to judge what is important as far as the U.S. is concerned. And anyone who doesn't care what's important to Americans as far as ITN goes demonstrates his total lack of concern for the readership. Now if someone is against this entry for other reasons, that's OK. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 11:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
**'''Support'''. Anyone who doesn't know who Keith Olberman is demonstrates his extreme ignorance of American culture and therefore complete lack of background to judge what is important as far as the U.S. is concerned. And anyone who doesn't care what's important to Americans as far as ITN goes demonstrates his total lack of concern for the readership. Now if someone is against this entry for other reasons, that's OK. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 11:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh yes, I'd forgotten that we're here only to cater to Americans. Study up lads! '''<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User talk:Night w|<font color="black">Night</font><font color="gray">w</font>]]</span>''' 11:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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One person is killed and two others are injured in alleged Israeli tank shelling in the Gaza Strip, though the Israel Defense Forces denied they attacked and estimated that the blast was a failed rocket launch. (Al Jazeera)(Ynet)
Shadow finance spokesperson Michael Noonan promises that, if the Irish government resigns, the opposition Fine Gael party will give quicker support for the Finance Bill intended to impose harsh austerity measures upon the country. He offers to facilitate the Green Party in getting out of the Irish government coalition. (RTÉ)
Perhaps not as big a deal outside the U.S. as it is inside, but it is worth noting that Olberman was critical of the George W. Bush administration long before it was fashionable to do so. His departure is on the front page of the LA and New York Times. [1][2] Interesting that NBC network execs found it necessary to deny any link between Olberman's abrupt departure and the impending takeover of NBC Universal by cable giant Comcast. Olberman also was recently suspended over political donations he made. Jusdafax06:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm gonna offer a contrary perspective here. News presenters generally have a less international profile than other celebrities featured on ITN, though they are very important in the countries they work in. A B-level Hollywood actor or Brazilian footballer gets more international attention that most news presenters. For example, we featured the death of Canadian-American actor Leslie Neilson, who was hardly one of the greatest Hollywood actors, and less significant that Olberman IMO. FWIW, I oppose both these examples. I think this 'international significance' criterion is often ridiculously applied, and for that reason it is no longer an ITN criterion.--Johnsemlak (talk) 10:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Anyone who doesn't know who Keith Olberman is demonstrates his extreme ignorance of American culture and therefore complete lack of background to judge what is important as far as the U.S. is concerned. And anyone who doesn't care what's important to Americans as far as ITN goes demonstrates his total lack of concern for the readership. Now if someone is against this entry for other reasons, that's OK. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 11:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
21 people are killed in a clash between the Sudanese army and two rebel factions in Darfur. (Reuters)
Three people are shot dead and dozens are injured by riot police clashing with at least 20,000 protesters gathered outside the prime minister's office in Tirana, Albania. Deputy prime minister Ilir Meta has resigned after becoming embroiled in a fraud scandal and protesters have called for the rest of the government to resign. (AP via France24)(BBC)(Radio New Zealand)(AFP via Google News)(CNN)
Aer Lingus cabin crew, disputing working conditions, march on airline headquarters at Dublin Airport; Aer Lingus hires planes from other airlines and threatens to sack its workers. (RTÉ)(The Irish Times)
Four banks, with total assets of $2.7 billion, are ordered closed in the U.S.; 157 American banks failed last year.(Reuters)
International relations
Five Thais including an MP are given suspended sentences after illegally entering Cambodia, in a case that has strained relations between the two countries. (Straits Times)
United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon criticises Israel's refusal to cease illegal settlement building on Palestinian land, telling a UN General Assembly gathering that he is "very concerned at the lack of progress towards peace" and that the recent demolition of East Jerusalem's historic Shepherd Hotel and evictions of Palestinian families had "heightened tensions." He later meets survivors of the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp. (AFP via Google News)
Saudi Arabia tells a UN Security Council meeting that Israel's practices and illegal measures against the Palestinian people undermine international efforts for peace. (Arab News)
French foreign minister Michèle Alliot-Marie is met by hostile Palestinian protesters throwing stones, eggs and shoes, including mothers of prisoners held in Israeli jails, on her arrival in Gaza. (BBC)(KUNA)(CNN)
United Nations human rights chief Navi Pillay requests an investigation into possible involvement of officials in the abduction of around 40 Central American migrants, including women and children, from a cargo train in Oaxaca. (BBC)
The Irish government publishes its Finance Bill legalising harsh austerity measures announced in the December 2010 budget as attempts to overthrow TaoiseachBrian Cowen continue from within his own party. (BBC)
Brian Cowen declares that he is to continue as leader of party and country, against the wishes of some of his own colleagues, saying "that issue is over". He vows to establish his own front bench to fight the election. (Irish Examiner)
Comment In terms of GDP (PPP) China has surpassed Japan years ago, and some estimates even suggest that by now China has surpassed the United States as well. As for the nominal GDP, this is also an important indicator of course, and various estimates already have put China on the second place (see List of countries by GDP (nominal)). However, we indeed do need some event at a certain date in order to post it. If the Chinese Government would make a special announcement of the fact, not just a casual issue of statistics, I'd support this. GreyHoodTalk21:35, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As far as the PPP claim by one US economist that it has overtaken US. It is only from one person, and very much a minority view right now. Although by current measurements, this will almost certainly happen in just several years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.20.122 (talk) 04:09, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral this is a really big deal, but it was really in the news in August. If there is nothing better to post I'm happy for this to go up. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 08:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
South Korean Navy rescues Samho Jewelry crew from Somali pirates
Given the fact they usually pay ransom, the successful storming of ship by commandos and killing so many pirates is a rare and notable event. Note that Samho Jewelry is just a redirect now, I believe it deserves to have a separate article. GreyHoodTalk14:37, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've incorporated this into the blurb. The article is sufficiently good, I believe. Now we may even do without an additional article for the ship. GreyHoodTalk21:50, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support, me and XavierGreen (talk·contribs) have worked on the article, and I think it's in decent shape. A raid against pirates, as opposed to paying ransom, is pretty unusual, as is the fact that there were casualties. C628 (talk) 23:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per above, this is the bloodiest engagement to my knowledge fought so far against the pirates by any nation. Its also, to my knowledge, the first action where the side fighting the somali pirates suffered casualties.XavierGreen (talk) 00:24, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Two bomb blasts occur simultaneously in Makiyivka, Ukraine. No injuries are reported and the responsible group threatens more bombings unless they are paid off. (The Sofia Echo)
Three works of art stolen from a museum 15 years ago are retrieved. (BBC)
Disasters
Save the Children launches a £1 million appeal to help assist up to 400,000 children it expects are affected by a food crisis following Sri Lanka's worst floods in recent history. (The Guardian)
The Vatican is said to be "troubled" by the latest sex scandal engulfing Italy's prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, alleging that Berlusconi purchased an under-age prostitute. (BBC)
Chinese president Hu Jintao receives a hostile reception from the United States Congress; the country is accused of bullying its neighbours and its rulers are described as "Nazis". (The Guardian)
The largest rocket ever launched from the west coast of the U.S. is launched carrying a secret payload; speculated to be a spy satellite.(Reuters)
The Daily Nation publishes a picture of a police officer apparently shooting a male at point-blank range on a main road in Nairobi; Amnesty condemns the incident and three police officers are suspended. (BBC)
Tunisia's army fires warning shots as citizens protest the current government and wave baguettes in a call for an end to food shortages. (AP via The Guardian)
Tunisia's new interim government holds its first cabinet meeting. (BBC)
Cowen defends his handling of the resignations as it emerges that there is "deep disagreement" between Fianna Fáil and coalition partners the Green Party. (The Irish Times)
Comment Indeed, though it is not clear when this will happen. The oil reserves are very large, but this is mostly heavy crude oil that requires much investment in its recovery, and Hugo Chavez hasn't been very successful in attracting foreign investment to Venezuela so far. I'd include some such remark to the blurb, but this is not possible in the short format of ITN. Nevertheless, the potential is huge, and the discovery and certifying of so large reserves is an event itself. GreyHoodTalk18:04, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Is there any meaningful independent corroboration for this? Venezuela increased their self-proclaimed "proven reserves" 40% since last year. Personally, I'd like to know that this is based on real facts on the ground and that such numbers aren't merely being manipulated by the Chavez government for political gain. Dragons flight (talk) 18:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The estimates, on which claims of Chavez are based, were made initially by American agencies (US Geological Survey and perhaps some others). A year ago they even said that Venezuela's reserves may double that of Saudi Arabia [4]. The current news are about certified deposits, and if the estimates of U.S. geologists are at least partially true, I don't see any reason not to take Chavez words seriously. GreyHoodTalk18:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The US estimate is not new though. In 1987, it was estimated that there was originally 1100 billion barrels of oil in place. In two decades since then that's been revised to 1300 billion, which in the world of oil exploration is hardly any change. The USGS report didn't change those figures, they simply updated estimates of the recoverable fraction to 45% and (after discounting oil already removed) came to the conclusion that 513 billion barrels are recoverable plus or minus 20%. By contrast Venezuela has moved their "proven reserves" from 100 billion barrels in 1997 to 297 billion today, a 200% increase in less than four years, even though the estimated total reserves have increased only about 30% over more than two decades. Maybe Venezuela has been doing lots of oil exploration, and they really have documented far more proven reserves. However, I suspect it is more likely that the Venezuelan government simply finds it politically desirable to move their "proven reserves" closer to the long-standing "total reserve" estimates. Hence, back to my original question. Is there any independent evidence for the large increase in proven reserves? Personally, I'd rather not run an ITN story if the only basis for it is a self-serving claim from the Venezuelan government. Dragons flight (talk) 19:08, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The increase in estimate of recoverable fraction is actually the same as increase in proven reserves (see the definition), so we shouldn't discard new U.S. data because they haven't changed the total reserves significantly. New technology allows to extract more oil, and thus increases in proven reserves may depend on technology updates rather than on new exploration. Also, the increases of Venezuela proven oil reserves in previous years were supported by OPEC data. I doubt that this new increase won't be supported by OPEC as well (note, that Saudi Arabia is an OPEC member). But I don't know when the new OPEC data will be issued and I'm almost sure this won't constitute an event noticed by the media, so we have to report Venezuela increase now or never. GreyHoodTalk19:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb corrected I've added the word "proven" to the highlighted part of the blurb, so that it couldn't be confused with total reserves. GreyHoodTalk19:48, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure about the exact case, but naturally, some regulating office of the owner country does the certification, as far as I know. In this case this should be some part of Venezuela government. Certification is made on the basis of expert estimates. This time clearly the certification is supported by independent American expertise. GreyHoodTalk20:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Unless they provide details on the facts supporting their new estimate, this is basically the same as saying that Venezuela can claim their proven reserves are any number less than the 500 billion barrels in total reserves (proven and unproven) estimated by the US, and there is no way to challenge their result. On the basis that extraordinary claims (e.g. number one in the world and a 200% increase in four years) demand extraordinary evidence, I would be opposed to putting this on ITN without more than Venezuela says so. Who are their experts and what new fields have been proven, etc.? Dragons flight (talk) 21:05, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately I'm not in position to quickly and easily answer this your question. Just now I can only indicate again that this 200% increase is not actually extraordinary, with the fact that large potential had been foreseen decades ago, with the fact that larger part of this increase has been already recognized by OPEC, and with the fact that most respectable U.S. estimates put a much larger figure. GreyHoodTalk21:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) No, they are not the same. The page you cite reads: "The term proven reserves is further subdivided into proved developed reserves and proved undeveloped reserves. Note that it DOES NOT include Unproven reserves, which is broken down into Probable reserves as well as Potential reserves." Setting aside that those sentences are poor writing, it alludes to the fact that proven reserves are a combination of both the recovery fraction and the amount of proven oil in the ground. It does not include the oil in "potential" and otherwise unproven deposits. Since the 80s geologists have proposed that oil bearing rocks are extensive enough that they could hold over a trillion barrels, but one needs to sample the field and better document its extent before putting those formations in the proven column. Perhaps they have now done more of that work, but I'd like to see documentation of it. Dragons flight (talk) 19:57, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you may try to find more documentation on the United States Geological Survey site, perhaps. Anyway, given the stable estimate of proven amount of oil in the ground, the increase of estimate of recoverable fraction leads to increase in proven reserves. GreyHoodTalk20:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support as a new "world leader" in something like this is usually significant and the article appears to have been updated to say that this is so. I agree that this is a part of the world that doesn't appear on ITN very often. --candle•wicke21:42, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think Dragons flight has a point here. The estimate is clear enough, and I don't think it should be rejected to prove only that it is used by the country for political purposes.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I don't see what has happened here. The only source that is remotely current is the article which relies on Hugo Chavez's statement that Venezuela's reserves are the world's largest. This very much looks like an announcement by Chavez for political purposes, even if there is factual basis for it.--Johnsemlak (talk) 23:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment What has happened is the official recognition by Venezuela government and petroleum industry of huge new recoverable oil reserves, which has made it world leader by that criterion. The actual event of the discovery and estimate of these reserves may have happened long before, but as with many scientific discoveries it should be reported when it is officially announced. And this has factual basis, as shown by the U.S. Geological survey estimates and (partially) by the OPEC recognition of the large part of these reserves. As for the political purposes, I think one may be sure that the political leadership of any country that founds so much oil wealth would use it for political purposes, so this argument should be discarded unless there is some strong reason to be biased against Venezuela in this case. GreyHoodTalk00:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You've mentioned "OPEC recognition" several times. Do you have any reason to believe that OPEC does anything other than simply repeat the official proclamations of its member states? Dragons flight (talk) 02:12, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't the simple repeating of data enough recognition? International organisations usually haven't ability to full independent double-check of data, and so have to rely on the data provided by constituent countries. GreyHoodTalk02:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Reported proven reserves for Venezuela (red) and Saudi Arabia (blue)
Comment. The graph at right shows the history of Venezuela's self-reported proven reserves. Maybe there is a legitimate reason for why the estimates have repeatedly jumped up in recent years after years of little movement, but it would be very unusual to have major oil discoveries year over year for a sustained period. It is entirely plausible that Venezuela has the world's largest reserves (based on the USGS findings), but as I imply above it seems at least as likely that the Chavez government simply revised the "proven" numbers upward because it was politically advantageous to do so. As discussed at oil reserves, the self-reported "proven reserves" for many OPEC countries are problematic. Dragons flight (talk) 02:12, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've already given a link to the BBC article which shows that according to the U.S. Geological Survey the increase of estimated recoverable reserves in Orinoco Belt is due to a much larger share of technically recoverable oil than thought before, not because of the large new discoveries. Also, I have a proposal to settle this whole issue in a simple way: let's reflect in the blurb that this is Venezuelan claim, and let's use the graph which you have created so kindly to illustrate the extraordinariness of the situation (though I don't think that something totally unexpected and unplausible has happened).
Political declarations, even not supported by real actions, have been featured on ITN so far, and this one is interesting and has a good ground behind it (personally I believe Venezuela might have made this announcement a year ago after the U.S. Geological Survey was published, but I think that they didn't do it that time because they feared it might negatively reflect the global oil prices, which was then too low in comparison with the levels at which the extraction of Venezuelan oil could be economically feasible). GreyHoodTalk02:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I think Greyhood's blurb is fine. Big news even if it is just Chavez spouting off, in that it shows intent by him to make a big claim... and this is a huge claim. Jusdafax06:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Half-hearted reservation: it seems that such data is more indicative of the scale of research rather than the (unknown) fact of how much black sticky stuff is actually there. That graph makes it look as though Saudi Arabia simply hasn't bothered looking much since 1987. Kevin McE (talk) 07:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Looks like the consensus has been done here, and it's ready for posting. I wonder what are John and Dragon flight trying to prove, but their point is more than obvious here, and I urge to stop manipulating with the relevance of the sourced estimate and the possible political background of it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:23, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have to say I still feel this one shouldn't be up. Have the supporters looked closely at the sources? The only source that is at all recent (less than one year old) is the al ahram article, a state-owned Egyptian newspaper, which is basically quoting Chavez. The only real further analysis the article provides is a mention that "exploiting most of it would be prohibitively expensive", which makes me wonder what's the point of having 'proven reserves'.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:30, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree or agree that there is bias in the media in whatever direction, except that it further emphasizes the need for reliable sources. Greyhood has provided a few more, but it should be said that they still aren't referenced in the article; and they all seem to be basically quoting Chavez. I certainly don't consider Chavez boasting about his country's resources to be a reliable source anymore than I would consider Obama to be a reliable source. Yes, Chavez's claims are backed by various US reports, but those seem to be old news. In terms of sources that document that this is in the news now, it's still thin.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:10, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Seems significant enough; large-scale arrest of some large criminal families. As per nom, all it needs is an article.--WaltCip (talk) 16:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Too Much is uncertian lets give in a day or two. We dont actually know if they got the Leaders, let at least wait until the arraingment occurs. I am personally leaning toward support though The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 16:48, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Palestine calls for the "immediate, full lifting of the Israeli blockade" and "the sustained opening of Gaza's border crossings for the movement of persons and goods." during a debate at the UN Security Council.(Xinhua)
Former Swiss bank employee Rudolf Elmer, who passed details of rich tax evaders to the WikiLeaks website, is found guilty of breaching Switzerland's strict bank secrecy laws. (BBC)
Rudolf Elmer is then arrested by Swiss police. (IOL)(BBC)
9,400-year-old dog found, earliest found in Americas
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I am nominating this article because researchers are saying they have found a bone fragment from what they are calling the earliest confirmed domesticated dog in the Americas. Which is historical, in my point of view. AJona1992 (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Its been accpted by The Journal of Physical Anthropology for publication, Which is one the highest quality journals for such discoveries. That being said I would like to Wait until its published as this could be a data stretcher or "just theory" with minimal evidence. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 21:39, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Our article dog says that DNA that distinguishes domesticated dogs from wolves existed at least 15,000 years ago (maybe 140,000: proof of that might be ITN worthy!), and cites a 2002 paper saying that they were in N America at least 8000BC (i.e. more than 10,000 years ago). So the only thing that is new here seems to be discovery of bone fragments, not of new time-frames. On those grounds, oppose. Kevin McE (talk) 21:50, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support The prior dates are surmises based on DNA evidence and the reconstruction of earlier cultures assumed to have had domesticated dogs. The 8,000 BC date is not based on fossil evidence of a domesticated specimen. This, if confirmed, is the earliest physical evidence. It is certainly newsworthy on its own.μηδείς (talk) 23:29, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed its big if this indivdual has all the ducks in a row, I say wait until the article is published. This could be legit big stuff or it could be stretching the data. Until Its published we have a glorified Press release and no actual source for the article. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 00:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As I read it, it is only the oldest bone fragment found in North America, not globally. This, plus the fact that this fits within the already known time-scale of presence in that continent, and offers nothing new by suggesting that dog was a human food resource, leaves me entirely underwhelmed. Nothing really new, no new knowledge, not in the news, so not In The News. Kevin McE (talk) 07:10, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I've expanded the article, and support posting, due to fairly high number of casualties, as well as it's been a while since the last attack, so they aren't exactly an every other week occurance anymore. C628 (talk) 00:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support since the article now exists and is decent. Agree with C628 that this is newsworthy since the attacks are not as common these days in Iraq, and the deaths are on the high side. Jusdafax05:56, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Floods in Southern Africa have killed at least 53 people and displaced nearly 20,000. Condition is worsening as further rains are expected to fall over the coming days. I just created the article so I'll be expanding it soon to make it better covered. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:53, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Update- Floods spreading to other countries and death toll upped to 54. Affected countries include South Africa, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Botswana, Zambia and Malawi (Seven countries). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 20:19, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support as an international high-casualty flooding event. However I do not condone the use of "people affected" or "displaced" when the number is under 10 million. ~AH1(TCU)01:05, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nigerian soldiers are granted permission to shoot to kill "to protect civilians" in Jos. (BBC)
A 25-year-old unemployed male dies after setting himself on fire in Alexandria. Another man, aged 40, sets himself on fire in Cairo in protests against rising prices. (BBC)
The British government suggests the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), a private company run by police chiefs, ought to have its power to run undercover spies removed after recent revelations about Mark Kennedy, policeman and undercover spy on international activists, as it acknowledges for the first time that "something had gone very wrong". (The Guardian)
Corruption and theft charges are filed against Duvalier. (Al Jazeera)
Sudanese police arrest opposition leader Hassan al-Turabi and eight others after they called for a "popular revolution" if price rises were not reversed. (Reuters)
It's the largest series of protests in Chile for a good while. And, try to look for information on the protests, it's everywhere and is internationally notable. For a reason I posted two links :) Diego Grez (talk) 15:18, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I dunno either... The result is that one minister got replaced and that an agreement was signed. Big issue for the country, no doubt, but doesn't seem that big on international scale (the last protests we've had on ITN were those in Tunisia and those were of a totally different level). --Tone20:53, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I tend to lean towards oppose...it's certainly major on a local level, but it's not hugely significant even nationally, let alone WRT other countries. It's only one minister replaced as a result, so you can't really make an argument for it on the grounds of a major political shakeup, one minister does not a government make. And the stuff on the agreement (which I note lacks references) doesn't extend beyond local impact either. C628 (talk) 00:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Does the "evacuation" and "kidnapping" of tourists count as international notability? 'Tourists, mostly from Argentina, Europe and North America, staged their own demonstration to complain about dwindling food, money and patience, with some saying they had been "kidnapped".' [...] "Kidnapped was the word most repeated in various languages," reported El Mercurio newspaper. The Red Cross has set up a shelter in a school for tourists who have run out of money. Highways, airports and sea ports blocked. It seems to have been an extraordinary enough situation. --candle•wicke22:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. One of the biggest names in American politics in the 60s and 70s. Wish the article was a bit better, but we need an update. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:22, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Administrator note Would somebody care to update the article a little? Al we have currently is "Shriver died on January 18, 2011. He was 95". When, where and how would be nice, as would some quotes from leading figures in his field (POTUS maybe?). All you have to do is find a few good sources and filter out the wheat from the chaff if anybody fancies a Main Page credit for 10 minutes' work. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:24, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I just added the Peace Corps' reaction too. I haven't seen any "how" yet, although he did suffer from Alzheimer's. As for "where", I definitely saw something that said he died at home surrounded by family, but (of course) I can't find it now. Makeemlighter (talk) 03:52, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Query? Have we changed the way we handle deaths? The way I remember the rules being applied, a death almost always needed to be unexpected and/or the deceased needed to be actively engaged in public life at the time of his death. In other words, for a death to make ITN it generally seemed that not just the person's life needed to be remarkable, but also the way in which they died. Though Mr. Shriver's historical accomplishments are quite numerous, his death at age 95 after a long battle with Alzheimer's is not particularly remarkable. Given that there was no opposition at all to posting this, I'm wondering if the standards have shifted? Dragons flight (talk) 19:08, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The way they die doesn't matter, unless it isn't natural. If they are significant at the time and pass on, they are posted. If they are real notable for something they did (this for example), we post whenever they pass. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk)22:11, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Article is in great shape, I think its ready to post. The timer is 2 Days in the Red. I have a hard time seeing any one opposing a 7.2 in an Area like pakistan. If it was Japan maybe but building codes are low enough (or nonexistent) in Pakistan so its safe to says its will be a mess The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 22:33, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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