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{{outdent}}After doing some more digging into edit histories, I have filed a case at SPI. I know there is a backlog right now, but perhaps a CU who has seen this AN thread would be willing to prioritize a check? I'm now suspicious this was really about a POV-pusher trying to use this noticeboard to silence opposition. [[User:Grandpallama|Grandpallama]] ([[User talk:Grandpallama|talk]]) 17:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC) |
{{outdent}}After doing some more digging into edit histories, I have filed a case at SPI. I know there is a backlog right now, but perhaps a CU who has seen this AN thread would be willing to prioritize a check? I'm now suspicious this was really about a POV-pusher trying to use this noticeboard to silence opposition. [[User:Grandpallama|Grandpallama]] ([[User talk:Grandpallama|talk]]) 17:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC) |
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: <small> [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Kolossoni|Link to the relevant SPI case]].--[[User:JayBeeEll|JBL]] ([[User_talk:JayBeeEll|talk]]) 17:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)</small> |
: <small> [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Kolossoni|Link to the relevant SPI case]].--[[User:JayBeeEll|JBL]] ([[User_talk:JayBeeEll|talk]]) 17:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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::@[[User:Kolossoni|Kolossoni]], see [[WP:BOOMERANG]]. --<span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:Futura">[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] <sup>([[User talk:A. B.|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/A. B.|contribs]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/A._B.|global count]])</sup></span></span> 23:06, 24 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Report of User "McGamer YouTube" Promoting ISIS == |
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Alleged doxing of users and other concerns
Benchmarkingsalad (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has made a number of edits warning other users that they are targets of doxing efforts by Kiwifarms. The alleged doxing is related to StoneToss. I do not know if these allegations are legit and if the user (who openly admits their account is a "throwaway" to protect their own identity) is correct. I am AGF that Benchmarkingsalad is doing what they believe to be correct and helpful.
I am hoping some other admins can take a look at this. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Until it shows up on-wiki there's really not much we can do here. Hopefully it stays off-wiki but if it does show up please email the Oversight Team immediately so we can take care of it. Primefac (talk) 17:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Is that not a sock like User:PolLovinPepe? —Alalch E. 18:31, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Primefac (talk) 18:44, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- This (now revdelled) message is both obviously malicious and awfully similar to what Benchmarkingsalad has been saying. It's entirely possible this person is just making stuff up to scare those editors off that article and its talk page. City of Silver 18:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
User: Psychologist Guy
Primefac (talk) 18:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Requested Partial Blocking to be removed
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Today images /gallery was/were removed and my account was partially blocked, it is requested that Partial Blocking be removed. The images removed carried the evidence/source/correctness and were also "open source" that is available to all. Should I post them seperate under heading: Images? Guidance requested . Thanks Surance (talk) 00:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Have you read any of the messages posted on your talk-page? This one and this one seem particularly relevant. --JBL (talk) 00:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
SPI backlog
More admin and checkusers should take a look at the rising backlog of WP:SPI. It keeps growing these days. Ratnahastin (talk) 02:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, please. XOR'easter (talk) 01:38, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Request to remove graphic content
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Hi, how do I report graphic content on a wiki page? 77.102.37.56 (talk) 09:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- You may discuss it here, but it depends on the context. Wikipedia is not censored for any reason. If there is a graphic image that is inappropriate for the article it is on, or should be in a different location in the article, we can do something about that, but a graphic image can be present if it is relevant to the topic(such as an image of male anatomy in the article about it). 331dot (talk) 09:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- You may also discuss it on the article talk page, this isn't specifically an administrator issue necessarily. If you just don't want to see graphic imagery, there are ways to suppress the display of images(see WP:NOSEE) though they require creating an account. 331dot (talk) 09:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Ruda Real
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Should Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Ruda Real be deleted? Per discussions here and elsewhere, the person really did exist but just wasn't notable (this includes a link to their album which corresponds with the track listing given on Discogs). As there is proof of this person not being a hoax, I see no reason to archive it among other hoaxes (indeed, it has been removed from WP:LOHOW, meaning this page is no longer linked from anywhere). Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it should be deleted (again) because that was the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruda Real. It was only restored from deletion and archived as a hoax per the request of a single editor. However, as you've pointed out, subsequent discussions raised doubts that this was ever a hoax and it was removed from LOHOW. I've deleted it again. — CactusWriter (talk) 22:38, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Three big discussions for Where is Kate?
We have Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 March 21#Where is Kate?, Talk:Where is Kate?#Requested move 21 March 2024 and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Where is Kate? (2nd nomination), all ongoing right now, and all affecting the same article. In case you'd not guessed, it's Where is Kate?.
Am I right in thinking that only one of these discussions should be open? Should we close the two that were started most recently, or is there an established order of precedence? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Liz has just closed the new AfD, which I think is correct as there was already an existing deletion review. I don't see why the move request can't continue, but obviously the deletion would have to be resolved before any move could take place. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- There's also the BLPN discussion, which seems the longest & most active (and, I think I see a consensus there). Most practical solution may be a new AfD (WP:XC-restricted, to avoid the obvious factors that lead to these BLPGOSSIP issues), or if admins are feeling particularly ballsy we could just go straight for the correct outcome and delete (based on BLPN consensus, WP:BLP, IAR if necessary), only recreating when (/if) it receives genuine secondary coverage, like academic analyses of the media phenomenon. DFlhb (talk) 01:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Starting a new AFD while the closure on the first AFD is being debated is just inviting chaos which is the last thing this debate needs. People need some patience for the process to work. I think it's possible that embarrassment or regret may be driving people to want to act quickly. Let the Deletion review run its course and see what its outcome is before launching into new discussions. DRV can always be closed early if it looks like a SNOW close. Liz Read! Talk! 04:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- The BLPN is Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Kate Middleton, and it appears to have been started before any of the three tht I linked in my first post. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:02, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think the deletion review can be snow-closed, if an uninvolved editor is happy to check for consensus, so that we can move onto the third AfD. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 19:07, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Negative stereotyping + accusing of a fellow editor of "misleading"
User:SLIMHANNYA has negatively stereotyped an entire race in the Talk:Korean influence on Japanese culture page. Also, the user has claimed others of "obviously misleading" which is against the Wikipedia:Disruptive user under "False accusations". Kolossoni (talk) 18:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- I used that expression because I thought it was a good analogy, and I apologize if it was a racist remark. I am not a native English speaker, and it seems there was a serious problem with the way I expressed myself. I will not use such language again. However, saying "obviously misleading" is not a false accusation. Please see the relevant talk page for more information.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 02:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
negatively stereotyped an entire race
Is this claim in reference to the kimchi juice comment? Because it seems pretty farfetched to say that analogy was some sort of defamatory comment. I don't see anything sanctionable here, just some misrepresentation by Kolossoni, who I also observe didn't bother to post the required notice to SLIMHANNYA's talkpage. Grandpallama (talk) 05:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)- Unless you're an admin, your two cents hold no water here. Kolossoni (talk) 06:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Non-admins are welcomed to comment here, and if we're really going by your logic, I don't think non-admins have a say in whose comments hold weight in this noticeboard either.
- Could you elaborate on what, if any, personal attacks the user you have reported have made? The analogy with kimchi juice doesn't seem like
negatively stereotyp[ing] an entire race
to me, and the quotedobviously misleading
seems to be a comment on content and not other contributors. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 06:29, 24 March 2024 (UTC)- "Kimchi" is a racist slur used by anti-Korean rhetoric propagators who stereotype the entire race as the "most commonly known food" of Korea. It is the equivalent of calling Mexicans "Salsa and Chips" or "Tacos" simply because their ethnicity is Mexican. The page was directly alluding to Koreans and their influence on Japanese history and the usage of "Kimchi juice" analogy to describe an entire race's genealogy is not only discriminating but also against Wikipedia's rules of keeping things civil and objective. Kolossoni (talk) 06:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- "Unless you're an admin, your two cents hold no water here." wrong Kolossoni. Admin have the tools to enforce the will of the community, we aren't the police or judges. The most helpful or insightful comments matter most, no matter who makes them. That said, I don't see how the kimchi comment was racist, even after your explanation, although I'm open to be convinced otherwise. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 06:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- I can see where you are coming from, since using kimchi as an analogy for Korean people does seem to be inappropriate. (see wikt:kimchi#Noun) I don't think this raises to the level of sanctions though. They have apologized and said they won't use this language again. Let's try to assume good faith here, as I don't think the choice of analogy was intentionally used as a racist dog whistle. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 06:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- 0xDeadbeef, I just want to point out that there is a difference between directly calling a person a kimchi (much like calling a German a "kraut"), which is a clear slur and what the Wiktionary link supports, and the way in which SLIMHANNYA actually used it (i.e., talking about "kimchi juice"). It may not have been wisely chosen, but it's also not as far into inappropriate as Kolossoni has cast it in their version of how it was used. Grandpallama (talk) 20:34, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Stop with your gaslighting.
- Using "kimchi" to allude to Korean genealogy in regards to a topic on Koreans is highly inappropriate. The fact that "Kimchi juice" was used, not "Orange juice", "Lemonade" or any other average analogy that would be more appropriate shouldn't prevent criticism of misusing the word. Kolossoni (talk) 20:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- 0xDeadbeef, I just want to point out that there is a difference between directly calling a person a kimchi (much like calling a German a "kraut"), which is a clear slur and what the Wiktionary link supports, and the way in which SLIMHANNYA actually used it (i.e., talking about "kimchi juice"). It may not have been wisely chosen, but it's also not as far into inappropriate as Kolossoni has cast it in their version of how it was used. Grandpallama (talk) 20:34, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- I have not called the individual a "racist" by any means. The term was brought up by other fellow members of Wikipedia. I only called out on the individual's negative stereotyping in which they have apologized. This was a safety measure in case the act continued. Kolossoni (talk) 06:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- This sort of escalation is unnecessary. For next time, try to resolve with the person on their talk pages. We are working in a diverse place with people from very different backgrounds, so it is important that we assume people are not here to do harm unless we can be convinced otherwise.
- In this case, you have implicitly claimed that SLIMHANNYA was a disruptive user, and by bringing the matter to here have suggested that admin actions were warranted. I don't believe either of that is true. Posting to this noticeboard can give people stress, and requires admins to invest time and energy to handle what is brought here. Please reconsider whether it is necessary to post here the next time you encounter cases like this. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 07:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- I understand, but you must also take into consideration that the analogy was made in an article's talk page that revolves around Koreans that came out of nowhere. It is not difficult to think such claims as discriminatory especially without proper context, in which was not given.
- Like you said, it is difficult to figure out what background an individual is from, but at the same time, I doubt people would keep such negative stereotyping under the rug if it happened elsewhere. It was a hasty action on my part, but only in hindsight. I still believe a show of level of discrimination should be on high surveillance since any form of racism or negative stereotyping is not permitted on Wikipedia, regardless of whether it was a "mistake" by the individual or not.
- Thanks for the quick response though. Kolossoni (talk) 07:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
I have not called the individual a "racist" by any means. The term was brought up by other fellow members of Wikipedia.
That's false. Not only did you use the term "racist", but you incorrectly recast what SLIMHANNYA actually said (you were the one who made a racist analogy in regards to the Korean people being "Kimchi" from the start which clearly screams "agenda"
) on the talkpage as part of a pretty massive assumption of bad faith even after they had apologized.the analogy was made in an article's talk page that revolves around Koreans that came out of nowhere
This is also untrue. Whatever your feelings about the analogy, it was clearly used to illustrate the point SLIMHANNYA was attempting to make. Multiple editors have now told you this wasn't a case ofracism or negative stereotyping
, so please stop characterizing it as such.- I would invite admins, though, to take a look at your userpage and talk, which feature some clear WP:BATTLEGROUND comments that might explain what is going on here.
- Your userpage states
Any baseless vandalism to propagate one's agenda will be manually reverted regardless of amount or length unless it's backed by proper citation alluding to a reputable source. Talks for dispute are always welcome, but come prepared though.
- Also on the userpage:
I absolutely DETEST Japanese nationalism, Chinese nationalism and Korean nationalism, so all you Nettouyos, Wumaos and Ilbes can buzz off.
- Complaints on the talkpage about WP requiring sources:
I have tried and tried again to help you with creating translated pages for the articles you've posted, but Wikipedia's strict criteria is starting to tire me out. . . I'm not so keen in doing another edit battle with the Wikipedia mods again, but if enough sources are available, I'll see what I can do to contribute.
- Your userpage states
- None of these are sanctionable, but I think there's a clear mentality here (combined with Kolossoni's two cents response to my initial comment) that shows an over-willingness to see WP as a place to fight/argue. I think they need a caution about their approach to other editors. Grandpallama (talk) 15:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Addendum: They just scrubbed their talkpage of a conversation where you can see Kolossoni frequently dipping into borderline uncivil comments. Not to mention that in scrubbing most of the conversation, they selectively kept only a portion of what the other user had written. TPO gives a lot of latitude around one's own talkpage in terms of what to delete/keep, but this feels like misrepresentation of the IP's comments. Grandpallama (talk) 15:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- "Kimchi" is a racist slur used by anti-Korean rhetoric propagators who stereotype the entire race as the "most commonly known food" of Korea. It is the equivalent of calling Mexicans "Salsa and Chips" or "Tacos" simply because their ethnicity is Mexican. The page was directly alluding to Koreans and their influence on Japanese history and the usage of "Kimchi juice" analogy to describe an entire race's genealogy is not only discriminating but also against Wikipedia's rules of keeping things civil and objective. Kolossoni (talk) 06:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Unless you're an admin, your two cents hold no water here. Kolossoni (talk) 06:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
After doing some more digging into edit histories, I have filed a case at SPI. I know there is a backlog right now, but perhaps a CU who has seen this AN thread would be willing to prioritize a check? I'm now suspicious this was really about a POV-pusher trying to use this noticeboard to silence opposition. Grandpallama (talk) 17:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Link to the relevant SPI case.--JBL (talk) 17:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Kolossoni, see WP:BOOMERANG. --A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 23:06, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Report of User "McGamer YouTube" Promoting ISIS
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Dear Wikipedia Administrators, I am writing to report concerning behavior by the user "McGamer YouTube" on Wikipedia. Upon reviewing their contributions, I have observed a pattern of edits that appear to promote ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria), a recognized terrorist organization. Additionally, the user's profile picture prominently features an ISIS flag, further indicating their support for this extremist group. Evidence of the user's behavior includes: |https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Khawarji&redirect=no |https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ahrar_al-Sham&action=history |https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abu_Ayyub_al-Masri&action=history |https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Nujaba_TV&action=history |https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shurat_Islam |https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salah_Shehade [1]https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MCGAMER_YOUTUBE Promoting terrorist organizations such as ISIS is a serious violation of Wikipedia's policies, and immediate action is warranted to address this issue. I urge the administrators to thoroughly investigate the user's activities and take appropriate measures to ensure the integrity and safety of Wikipedia's editing environment. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Larrymhardy (talk) 02:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Large backlog at UAA
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Need some admin eyes over there to address a large backlog of bot-reported usernames. I've boldly cleared out some obvious false positives, but many of them are indeed questionable and will need further evaluation. The bot list had grown to the largest I've seen in a long while. Taking Out The Trash (talk) 17:40, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- You don't need to be an admin to see that most of those reports aren't actionable, as most of the bot reports aren't because the purpose of the bot is to cast a wide net and catch anything that even might be a problem. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:59, 24 March 2024 (UTC)