User talk:Lionelt

File:LAJS1926.jpg

I left a question for you at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lionelt regarding File:LAJS1926.jpg.   Will Beback  talk  07:35, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm having a problem onto Commons... I'm going to try a different browser. Lionel (talk) 02:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

We can discuss it here. The file page says you created the 1926 image. Since it's professionally done, it's unlikely that anyone under the age of 10 could have made it, meaning you would have to be over 90 years old. I don't mean to pry into your actual age, but I assume there's a mistake.   Will Beback  talk  02:46, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Is there something that needs to be fixed or are you really the creator of that 1926 image?   Will Beback  talk  23:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I didn't create it. I vaguely remember (it was a few years ago) pulling it off of a LA Times article. I'll check the Times archive. Lionel (talk) 23:55, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

If it's a a "fair use" picture then it should be hosted on Wikipedia rather then Wikicommons, and there will need to be different "paperwork". If you're still having trouble logging into the Commons I could start the ball rolling at that end, and you can upload the photo here.   Will Beback  talk  22:28, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

If I don't hear back from you I'll assume you want me to initiate deleting the file from the Commons.   Will Beback  talk  21:31, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I fixed it. Lionel (talk) 04:18, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I see that you now say it was published without copyright. Where and when was it published, initially? How do you know that there was no copyright?   Will Beback  talk  04:29, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I emailed the LA library for permission/licensing, and in their reply they stated they cannot grant permission/licensing since according to their legal department the image is not under copyright.Lionel (talk) 04:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Could you please forward that email to the permissions department? "permissions-commons AT wikimedia DOT org". Then someone can properly update the copyright info.   Will Beback  talk  04:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

BTW, it looks like the OTRS volunteers haven't yet registered receipt of the copyright waiver for his file. Please double-check that you've sent it.   Will Beback  talk  09:42, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I know you're busy with other tasks, but don't forget to send the letter to OTRS so the file is properly registered.   Will Beback  talk  11:41, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Catholics for Choice

Hi! I'm afraid your recent edit at Catholics for Choice is inconsistent both with Wikipedia's general tendency to follow self-identification and with the existing status quo on categorizing Catholic organizations specifically. For example, the Society of St. Pius X has been condemned by a much higher authority than the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, but it is still categorized as a Catholic organization, because it identifies itself as a Catholic organization. Now that you're aware of your error, I hope you'll revert yourself. Have a nice day! Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:28, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

CPCs

I'm hoping this was an accident, but your recent edit removed content from Crisis pregnancy center. You removed the text "by choosing a name similar to the Fargo Women's Health Organization and," in spite of the fact that the clinic's name was part of the false advertising problem (rather than somehow unrelated). Refer to the text of the preliminary injunction, which the court upheld:

"... [T]hat the defendants do not falsely lull people that come to them for counseling into thinking that they are, in fact, the Women's Health Organization or the Fargo Women's Health organization, Inc. and that the defendants take no action or inaction which would lull people into believing that they are dealing with the Fargo Women's Health Organization, Inc. when they are in fact dealing with defendants or F-M Women's Help and Caring Connection..."

If you think there is a specific problem with the wording, would you like to discuss potential changes? Otherwise, please re-add the text you removed. Thanks. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

The court's ruling clearly prohibited a "confusing" name: to describe as anything else is WP:OR. Lionel (talk) 02:42, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

What wording would you suggest that includes the name of the real clinic, per the text I quoted above? Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:45, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Right. Women's Health Org should go back in, but in reference to the court ruling that Help's name was confusing.Lionel (talk) 02:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

How about "...from using a confusing name that might 'falsely lull people...into thinking that they are, in fact, the Women's Health Organization or the Fargo Women's Health organization, Inc.', and from advertising that they provided abortions"? (You'd have to add it in yourself, as it would be a revert if I did.) Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:02, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, in case you didn't see on the article talkpage, I brought the USCCB thing to RS Noticeboard. Although I hope you'll read my comment above about why this step should be unnecessary. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:05, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I made the edit as I proposed above, except I also switched the clauses (thought it sounded better) and added "a lawsuit by the Fargo Women's Health organization, a medical clinic that performed abortions" at the beginning of the paragraph so the similar name didn't come out of nowhere. ("medical clinic that performed abortions" was per the source.) Let me know what you think. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:01, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

FNC

My only concern is that people unfamiliar with what wikiprojects are will take it as a sign that Wikipedia is "admitting" that it thinks that Fox News is a Republican rag. Soxwon (talk) 06:35, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

If you think it's an issue, we could put a disclaimer in the FAQ. Lionel (talk) 04:23, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

South Carolina/CPC

Your citation doesn't support the text you added. It says only that the law mandates that a 24-hour waiting period. The actual law also requires that the patient certify to the doctor that she has read certain materials prescribed by the state of South Carolina. While these materials include (among many other things) the addresses of locations that provide free ultrasounds, that's a rather tenuous link, and is certainly not consistent with the text you inserted. Please revert yourself. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:19, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

The South Dakota one is good, but could you possibly find a real source? KSFY has covered the bill. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

CPC

Hi Lionelt. I understand you can be outraged about what you perceive as a POV overtone of the article, but I'd advise you not to go out of control with your wrath. As I've told Rosy, one can get into some rather messy bureaucratic business in WP by being overly confrontational. This is regardless of how wrong and POV your opponents are. Bobthefish2 (talk) 23:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

There was an extensive discussion on whether or not to use an image of an ultrasound. Please gain consensus for the use of an ultrasound image before inserting one. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:49, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate that you replaced the disputed image. All collaborations should be so productive! (Though I still wish we could get a picture of an actual CPC. Are you near one perchance? We have a picture of a sign for a CPC but it isn't very useful or informative.) Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:36, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

The information you've inserted about CPCs moving away from the provision of false information is flat-out untrue, per the very source you cited. Please remove it. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:05, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I think you may have misinterpreted. The quote certainly doesn't say that CPCs no longer provide false information - and how could it, since the same article details the false information they provide? ("But facts are a problem when it comes to some of the medical information disseminated by pregnancy center volunteers. Many centers are still handing out flyers that link abortion and breast cancer--a link that's been discredited by national scientific panels." among other things.) The statement is still untrue. Please remove it. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:03, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

The sense appears to be that they are moving to a new "medical model" for conducting business, but in the past many have utilized deceptive advertising, and some still do. Lionel (talk) 02:08, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

The impression I get is that they try to put up the facade of being medical centers. The article says "new forms of persuasion that rely on the dispassionate language and technology of modern medicine. More centers are buying ultrasound machines, hiring medically trained staff, providing counseling on sexually transmitted diseases and taking other steps toward what one national leader calls a 'medical model' of service." It doesn't say they have rejected the provision of actual medical misinformation - far from it, it specifies the type of medical misinformation provided! I can see a way in which the content could be used, and it's interesting to see how methods have changed - however, you would have to write things that actually reflect the source, not something that's totally the opposite so you can make CPCs sound better. Personally, I think saying "CPCs try to appear as medical centers, while giving clients false information about the health risks of abortion and hiding from them the risks of childbirth" (which is what this source says) actually makes CPCs sound worse. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:45, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

This may be illustrative:

For years, people have argued about the work of crisis pregnancy centers, which have been around since before Roe v. Wade. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, complaints about graphic videos, religious harangues, false medical information and misleading advertising led to investigations and, in some states, lawsuits against centers and their staff. Now, a growing number of pregnancy support centers--many of which are affiliated with conservative Christian networks--are rejecting old-style scare tactics...

Got it? Lionel (talk) 02:15, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I "get" that you're inserting your own personal spin on an article that not only doesn't say what you're claiming it does, but that actually says the opposite. Unfortunately, that violates a number of Wikipedia policies. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:45, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Serial killer#African American serial killers

Hello, Lionelt. Will you weigh in on this on the talk page, since it is your contribution? I ask that you do not revert until these issues are worked out. Flyer22 (talk) 00:03, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for ProtectMarriage.com

Thanks for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 02:53, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Your edits to Crisis pregnancy center

I can't really fathom what you're referring to with "stable version." There never has been consensus for "affiliated," not at any point in the article's history; perhaps you're mistakenly taking a version as "stable" because it stuck around for half a day due to 1RR? "Typically" was removed for grammar reasons (we already sad "with few exceptions" so adding "typically" as well is infelicitous). I've opened discussions in talk of "services" vs. "activities" and no one has objected to "activities," so if you're going to advocate it, kindly join and state your reasons rather than just reverting. Likewise the North Carolina quote. And why do you insist on including the Care Net quote twice, once in a section where, not being about legal action, it does not belong? It's already in the "Advertising methods" section, so it's not a question of whether or not to include it. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

That was a joke, right? But it's only March 17! Could you revert yourself and save it for April Fools' Day, when it might be more appropriate? Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

List of ex-gay people

I have just removed several entries from the above article. In some cases, this was because the wikilinks you had created led to articles about completely different people. Even though this article is not a BLP, it still concerns living people so I thought it best to remove any source of contention. For the same reason, I removed all those entries lacking references. The "ex-gay" topic is contentious and I think this is one of those cases where we should be especially careful with verifiability and proper sourcing. I removed other entries on the grounds of notability. That someone chooses to be straight is not, I think, a sufficient reason for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Happy editing. LordVetinari (talk) 13:38, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks. I didn't even know that the project you mention existed. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:24, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Your contributed article, List of ex-gay people

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Too much templating: American Social Conservativism

I saw your template added at the bottom of pro-life and I removed it because the article is not solely about American concerns. I looked at your editing history to see if you were adding the template to other inappropriate articles, and it appears that you are. I have reverted your additions to nuclear family and Anti-pornography movement in the United States because those articles do not have any established connection to conservatism. Those topics are claimed by liberals, too, so the template doesn't fit. It's like a flag stuck in the sand claiming territory, but the territory does not belong to American Social Conservatives. Binksternet (talk) 19:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Please avoid 1RR violations on Abortion-related articles, per the community-imposed general sanctions. Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:32, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Woa. I was editing a zillion artices & cats, working more or less in a vacuum, and thought I was adding the template for the first time! Didn't even realize it had been reverted. Lionel (talk) 22:08, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:American Social Conservatism

Template:American Social Conservatism has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Binksternet (talk) 23:27, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Expansion

Not sure of the backstory here, but expension by 5x applies whatever the size beforehand as long as after the erxpansion it is > 1500. Victuallers (talk) 22:12, 22 March 2011 (UTC) Yes you can, 2,3,4 or more editors can share credit, why do you worry about this? "Credit" is not in short supply Victuallers (talk) 22:59, 22 March 2011 (UTC) Its up to the nominator really - I can see that the credit may not be "fair" but life is short. I'd encourage you to move on and concentrate on making sure you feel good about all the credit you have received unless you feel someone is clearly and repeatedly breaking the rules. Victuallers (talk) 23:13, 22 March 2011 (UTC) The person who puts the proposed hook in the DYK queue is called "the nominator" and that person decides who the author or authors are Victuallers (talk) 23:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Pro-life movement

Template:Pro-life movement has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Binksternet (talk) 22:30, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Now moved to User:Lionelt/Pro-life movement. Feel free to move it (or I can move it) to WikiProject space if you feel as though having it in your own userspace does not encourage collaborative editing. However, by my reading of the discussion, the consensus is that this should not be used in article space until concerns about the "global nature" and placement of the template are resolved to some level of consensus. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:25, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Lionel (talk) 00:27, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Couple of things

1. I reverted your addition of the new template to Live action; that's an article about live-action films/TV, you meant Live Action (organization).
2. ??

Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:18, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

It's a stub. It can use all the help it can get. Besides, the nav box looked pretty there. Lionel (talk) 23:22, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

PhGustaf has no sense of humor. No Filet for him. Lionel (talk) 23:23, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

No, I mean I actually have no idea what you're talking about in that diff, even with the edit summary. It seems like a total non-sequitur. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

You know... Ah ha! There is POV in the article afterall! As it turns out placing the POV tag is justified. Etc etc etc. Lionel (talk) 23:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I disagree that it's a POV problem in that sentence - I just think it's not very aesthetically pleasing because it repeats the same words. But like I said, I just didn't want to remove anyone else's text; what do you think of the shorter and less redundant/obvious wording I proposed? Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:39, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Exodus International

Read through the section you deleted again and could see no reason for it to be deleted and so i have restored it because of this. Please give a reason next time. Thanks Jenova20 09:24, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Friends

You have one! Maybe benji? - Haymaker (talk) 14:46, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm... I don't think his comment was directed at me. I hope he's a friend: I need all the friends I can get. Maybe he'll check out TFD. Lionel (talk) 21:05, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation

I'm not entirely sure that I'm the sort of person you want for Wikiproject:Conservatism. My political beliefs are all over the place. And the amount of time I'd have to devote to the project would be sporadic at best. Phoenix and Winslow (talk) 13:47, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Your warning of Jenova

Hi Lionelt. I'm Jenova20's adopter. I noticed your revert of his edit, and leaving of a level 1 disruption template. I'm a little unsure about how the comment was disruptive, as it not only matched the source, but it was clear that the names were not real. I understand the need to revert, but am not sure that the notice was inappropriate. I'm wondering if I'm missing something terribly disruptive? Also, given the length of Jenova's talk page and 3 months service, is a template which is aimed at brand new users really appropriate? "Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines." seems a little inappropriate to me. Worm^TT · (talk) 22:03, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello Worm. Even though they been here 3 mos, they have demonstrated they know their way around. Online petitions are notoriously unreliable. And this is a primary source. And it's obvious that this source does not have editorial oversight. Jenova knew this. How? Because I tagged it as such. A tag which she removed. They justified the addition in their edit summary with this "Added a bit of fun to the article." They knew this was going to cause trouble. As a matter of fact, I believe I AGF and showed restraint, had this been an IP I would've left a vandalism template. Lionel (talk) 22:17, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

I didn't see he'd removed a tag about the source, like I say, I agree with the revert. I'll have a word. Cheers. Worm^TT · (talk) 07:33, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Lionel WP:AGF

Please do not refer to me as a she as it is not only unconstructive, but also offensive.

I did clearly add "Added a bit of fun to the article." to make it clear that i thought the edit would be in good humor as it offends no one.

I posted on the talk page twice before changing that section and you gave no input udespite reverting the section, at which time i posted on your talk page with no response and explaining my actions, again with no response.

You have gone completely overboard here as i have explained my actions from the start and you have ignored them completely until posting the notice on my talk page.

Jenova20 08:39, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I have a female friend named Jenova: my mistake. Lionel (talk) 23:05, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello. You have a new message at User Talk:Jenova20's talk page. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:54, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, it's sorted now.

Just try not to be so heavy handed in future cos i can forgive and forget.

Jenova20 19:46, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

A helpful note

I'm not sure it's a good idea to include opposition to pornography as a subcategory of the new "conservatism by issue" cat. Certainly it would deserve a mention in an article or perhaps a navbox, but you may notice that the category Category:Anti-pornography activists contains people like Andrea Dworkin and Sheila Jeffreys, who are not conservative by any stretch of the imagination. Put simply, this opposition cuts across traditional political lines: some people oppose it because they don't like sex and some people oppose it because they believe it degrades women, and while both those groups could fairly be categorized as "anti-pornography activists," they certainly can't all be categorized as conservatives. May I suggest removing it and focusing on other issues that are more definitely conservative (immigration, financial deregulation) and in the meantime perhaps asking at a WikiProject or two for help on dealing with this issue? Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:33, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

The Dworkin and Jeffreys pages are not categorized in the conservatism by issue cat. They are not in any conservatism cats. The New Right [1] as well as the Christian Right are involved in anti-porn. That is why the cat anti-porn was placed in conservatism by issue. This isn't about conservative people per se: anti-porn is a conservative issue, just as it is a feminist issue. It is any less a conservative issue because it is shared with feminists? No. The solution is to also place the anti-porn cat in feminism by issue. Lionel (talk) 23:55, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

As I explained, the Dworkin and Jeffreys articles are in the conservatism by issue cat, because they're in a subcat of it. Hmm...the same problem would exist if an "opposition to pornography" cat were put in between "conservatism by issue" and "anti-pornography activists," but at least it would be at one remove (and be better in terms of an organized categorization tree). (Splitting it into "Conservative opposition to/opponents of pornography" and "Feminist opposition to/opponents of pornography," or whatever wording, could be another option - though irregular, it may be a means of dealing with the way in which this messes up traditional alignments.) What do you think? Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:16, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

They are in the conservatism-by-issue tree, not the cat. And, it's perfectly appropriate to be in the tree because they have adopted a socially conservative issue. Being in the tree in no way means that you are conservative politically. Another example of lefties who have adopted a socially conservative issue, but remained lefties nonetheless, is Dems For Life. The distinction between conservative people & orgs and socially conservative issues is an important one. Perhaps the cat would be better as "Social conservatism by issue," but I had hoped to add fiscal conservatism issues as well. Btw there is also a disctinction between conservatism and "conservative", but then that's another thread.Lionel (talk) 01:31, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

The Dems for Life example, added to the feminist anti-pornography activists, serves to suggest that a "Conservatism by issue" cat tree might be a problem. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:39, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Los Angeles County Young Democrats

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Misleading, disruptive

Your edit at SBA List changed more than your edit summary of "tense". You ignored a discussion going on at Talk:Susan_B._Anthony_List#Scholars and changed the first phrase to the second:

• ...pro-choice activists "concerned that their heroine is being appropriated," and scholars of nineteenth-century feminism pointing out that Anthony did not work against abortion and that the quotes SBA List cites are misattributed or taken out of context.
• ...pro-choice activists "concerned that their heroine is being appropriated," and a scholar of nineteenth-century feminism pointing out that Anthony did not work against abortion and that the quotes SBA List cites are misattributed or taken out of context. (emphasis added)

This is a problem of singular vs. plural, not verb tense. The larger problem is that you have not taken part in the discussion; you have not given your opinion about the issue of there being multiple scholars raising their voices on the issue, ones that NYyankees51 took out of the article. Your change to singular "a scholar" is against WP:NPOV in that it tries to lessen the impact of wider criticism by making it look small. Please revert your change. Binksternet (talk) 20:35, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Article for deletion debate

The article Young Conservatives of Texas has been nominated for deletion at AfD. Your input as to whether or not this article meets Notability standards is invited. Thank you. Carrite (talk) 16:52, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

What does it feel like?

To know, with absolute certainty, that society will evolve past you and leave you by the wayside? 98.246.154.135 (talk) 11:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Friends, Pedians, countrymen, lend me your eyes

To the 30+ colleagues, and wikistalkers, who watch my talkpage with baited breath, who rush here every morning to see what's new with Lionelt, today is a momentous day for me. I was beginning to wonder if it would ever happen. I had almost given up hope. My thoughts occastionally drifted to the Proverb, "Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but a longing fulfilled is a tree of life." Well, my longing has been fulfilled. My talkpage has been vandalized in the section immediately above. Not a particularly witty or erudite piece of vandalism, I must say, but I'll take it nonetheless. Maybe we can encourage 98.246.154.135 to come back and make a better showing of himself. Do not let my cavalier attitude deceive you: I am wounded, to the core. I may not recover from this. The blow, I fear, may be mortal. Anyway, many of you have probably already realized that this wanton, unprovoked and despicable act of vandalism presents a new problem for me: where is the "This talk page has been vandalized 1 time" userbox when you need it. Lionel (talk) 23:20, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

There's a variety of 'em listed here. Cheers, --joe decker^{talk to me} 02:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Burkie Barnstar

		The Burkie Barnstar
		Thanks to Lionelt for the creation of Wikipedia:WikiProject Conservatism and this barnstar, and for your improvements to these articles.   Will Beback  talk  11:06, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Really cool. Looks nice if I do say so myself. Lionel (talk) 00:57, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Cottrell1.jpeg

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Cottrell Trio photo

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Spadework

Hi there again, please let me know how I can help out in the collaborative effort you mentioned last week. I'm actually pretty inexperienced when it comes to getting articles up to GA standard but might be able to help out in terms of spadework, copy editing, etc. Cheers Jprw (talk) 08:04, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Mark Steyn

Regarding this edit, if you look, I had restored the "self described" consensus twice before. But Medeis reverted me, in the same manner the anon ips inserted the same material. I'm not saying they are the same person, but it does seem strange. In any case, I believe you know the editor in question, since he seemed to be asking for some reinforcement for removing the "self described" caveat. But, as you stated, the consensus was there for it. All of this background is for me asking why your edit states "Undid revision 425109720 by DD2K (talk)....", when you did not "undo" my edit? Sorry if this is nit-picking, but it is guidelines for edit summaries to be descriptive of the edit, and your edit most certainly was not an "undo". Thanks. Dave Dial (talk) 03:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

You're right! It wasn't an undo. Lionel (talk) 23:10, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, and good luck with your current endeavors. Dave Dial (talk) 16:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Ummm

Please explain this. BelloWello (talk) 02:14, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

April 2011

As a "not new user" it is important to understand the importance of being civil. While you may have read WP:CIVIL, you might not have had a template on your talk page. The template contains important information about avoiding incivility, and how to handle yourself when you are tempted to do so. The template is important to help you understand Wikipedia policies. I have remedied the situation. And by the way, Hope you enjoy the template, I hope you enjoy it. BelloWello (talk) 02:42, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Harry Hay

I feel insulted by the idea that I have refused to engage in discussion. I have made numerous attempts to engage in discussion, as you can see in the Discussion history. Yet, I have ignored. I have not ignored you. Someone continued to insist on referring to Hay as a "teacher" because of his involvement in the Communist Party. I have added citations that are removed; I repaired the vandalism and have accused of engaging in an "edit war." The original lead rambled on about Harry Hay, lacked citations, included trivia and few relevant facts, and vague generalities. I have once again updated the lead in order to give a concise opening lead that provides a clear overview of Hay's life24.23.171.236 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:38, 29 April 2011 (UTC).

Going to sleep

will respond tomorrow. BelloWello (talk) 05:38, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

David Lane BLP concerns

I'm not seeing whatever it is you are seeing at this reversion of the David Lane article taking out cited text. Can you explain on the article's talk page? It all seems so straightforward to me, like there is not any BLP problem. Binksternet (talk) 02:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I placed a template and my concern on the Talk page on 4/27. Lionel (talk) 02:31, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Southern Adventist University

Yes, that does indeed make it easier. I was not aware that they were back at it on that page as well as the one reported. Thanks for the head's up. Kuru (talk) 01:39, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Your comment at Talk:Is the School House the Proper Place to Teach Raw Sex?

That's extremely inappropriate. Please redact it. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:16, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Not a helpful edit summary, but thank you nonetheless. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:23, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Report Editor

Is there a way to report an editor who is cussing me out on a talk page? You have more experience at this than I do. Thanks. Fountainviewkid 20:48, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

See WP:DR. Good luck. Lionel (talk) 02:39, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Maybe I'll just ignore like I have everything else. Oh and he accused me of being a sock puppet again. There's an investigation now into both of us. Thankfully mine's turning up nothing while his is mixed. Maybe at some point this will end. Fountainviewkid 3:12, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

user:BelloWello

The user did not edit Southern Adventist University under the previous account name which I know about. He did not have any active bans or blocks. However there were problems on unrelated topics. I think he is trying to make a clean start, but I have warned him that his behavior also needs to change to avoid having the same problems again.   Will Beback  talk  06:40, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

His former account received lots of blocks in a short period. He has now been indefinitely blocked with the master account by a checkuser. Mathsci (talk) 22:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

It looks like Bello's sock/meat puppet "Tatababy" is back at our favorite article (if not the human Bello himself?). Your help would be appreciated. Fountainviewkid 20:03, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

We have a new old problem at our favorite article. The "progressive" issue has returned again. Your comments and suggestions would be appreciated. Fountainviewkid 00:52, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Just an update (warning) that Bello's been unblocked. Fountainviewkid 04:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The Daily Mail

Hi Lionelt, if you have missed the discussions around, please be aware that the Daily Mail has basically lost its reputation as a WP:RS for any controversial claims, such as the one you have used it for to replace part of your sex ring comment on the BLP noticeboard. I won't remove it again. I understand you have strong feeling about this but please take it easy with your accusations about living people on the BLP noticeboard. Thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 07:12, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:ANI

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See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Incivility from User:Bryonmorrigan, he may be referring to you. NYyankees51 (talk) 01:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Fountainviewkid 24:51, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

ANI-Southern Adventist University

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This is grand! 2 months ago Bello is central to 1RR getting slapped on all abortion articles. And as soon as Bello comes off a indefinite-block 1 week block he is in the middle of an edit war that gets 1RR on Southern and Cottell. I wish he would start editing arthropods! Lionel (talk) 12:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Lionel I'm in full agreement with you. It's too bad you weren't at ANI to inform the other editor of BW's history. He managed to get it all erased so they were never able to see the problems he has caused. Since I don't delete my history the way he does, some editors were actually saying he was the "rational" one defending against the biased POV editors (i.e. the 3 of us). Well hopefully the community will one day see the light. Fountainviewkid 12:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

As another editor has stated, "it's only a matter of time...." [2] Lionel (talk) 12:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I DON'T THINK SO!

Lionel, if I could figure it out, anyone could figure it out. I think you're playing with me, aren't you? Mathsci made the link explicitly on the ANI page about Southern Adventist U, but Beeblebrox came along later and "redacted" it with no explanation. I don't mind wm1 editing under a new name so long as admins have access to his block log, etc. Kenatipo ^speak! 13:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Didn't read the item preceding this one before posting here. You do know the link. I went to wm1's userpage and it says he's retired. My response on his talk page was I DON'T THINK SO! which is where that's coming from. Kubigula, his mentor, deleted it. --Kenatipo ^speak! 14:25, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Me? Play around? Never.Lionel (talk) 22:58, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Did you see where I was accused of being a sockpuppet of wm1 ? I've never been more insulted in my life, lol. --Kenatipo ^speak! 14:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

It's horrible. We should edit WP:NPA to explicitly state that being falsely accused of being a sock of WMO or any of his multiple personalities is a personal attack and subject to indef banning. I have a lot of respect for Jasper, but if it was anyone else, I would've proposed de-sysoping!!! Lionel (talk) 23:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Lionel, tell me the truth. How long have you known BelloMello was wMo? Kenatipo ^speak! 01:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Probably not a good idea to go into this on a public talk page. Lionel (talk) 02:26, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Jasper's OK. I think when I said "This user ... " he thought I was referring to myself. --Kenatipo ^speak! 01:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

[3] Kenatipo ^speak! 15:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm... What am I looking at? And, I'm not being deliberately dense. Lionel (talk) 21:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

An admin is using a bot to replace an older username with a newer username. Kenatipo ^speak! 22:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Translation?

I've seen a lot of discussion on the retired account and various usernames that some admins are trying to keep private. I'm confused as to what exactly is going on. Care to explain? I assume this may have something to do with our Mr. disruption at the Southern article? Fountainviewkid 15:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

We may never know what is going on. And I don't think I'll express my suspicions in public. The proceedings in the smoke-filled back room of ArbCom are privileged. I will say this however: if you are an unmitigated POV edit warrior make sure your mentor has a big mop and even better if they sit on ArbCom. Lionel (talk) 23:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

What is going on with he who must not been named? The kid racks up more blocks than I can count, gets all abortion-related articles put on 1RR, gets a community sanction on abortion articles, comes back under a new name and escapes an indef for sockpuppetry and is still editing abortion articles. Is he a blood relative of Jimbo? Does anyone have any idea as to what is going on here and why can't we talk about it? - Haymaker (talk) 13:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

All I know is the admins have "it who must not be named's" back making it impossible to do anything. To revert this individual is to get oneself blocked. Is there any mechanism we have to deal with this? Fountainviewkid 15:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC

All I know is the admins have "it who must not be named's" back making it impossible to do anything. To revert this individual is to get oneself blocked. Is there any mechanism we have to deal with this? Fountainviewkid 15:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC

It's frustrating to say the least. To my knowledge the mechanism is WP:DR. If When there is another issue disruption with him I would expect hope that the prior disruption would be taken into account (WP:ILLEGIT, WP:SCRUTINY), and he would be dealt with as the POV warrior he is. Lionel (talk) 21:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

NAMBLA

Please join in the discussion page for the article on NAMBLA concerning the deletion that you recently made. Thanks. Pjefts (talk) 01:09, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

FYI

I mentioned you here Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Admin closure needed. Mathsci (talk) 05:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Now superseded by other not unrelated events. Mathsci (talk) 05:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. Lionel (talk) 06:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Thoughts...

Hiya! I'm wondering if perhaps we should keep in mind that there are numerous new and semi-new editors who simply haven't gotten a full grasp of Wikipedia's policies, guidelines and rules? On top of that, many people simply do not work in a collaborative fashion "in real life" - much less when writing. If you suspect that BelloWello may be such a person, perhaps we can turn their enthusiasm in the correct direction. We were all new editors once... and while I'm decent at copy-editing (and co-earned a couple GAs with my adoptees), and halfway decent at understanding the policies, that's because I chose to spend most of my time here fighting vandalism, where I actually need a decent understanding of them. I doubt BW fits that criteria - nor has your experience in the large amount of article work you've contributed to. So, I'm not sure if I'm AGF'ing to the point of silliness on my part, but I am willing to help out if you all need a hand in collaborating, and will do my best to keep things going in the right direction. Best, Rob ROBERTMFROMLI | ^TK/_CN 06:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Ummm, yeah... I just found the previous ANI's... :-/ ROBERTMFROMLI | ^TK/_CN 06:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Just A Question

What happened to the Traditional Marriage Movement page? On what grounds did liberal editors oppose it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dantai Amakiir (talk • contribs) 00:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

[4] I was on wikibreak when this happened. Obviously should've been No consensus. Anyway, I've been contemplating writing a AfD-proof version. I suspect user:Haymaker has a version off-wiki. Lionel (talk) 00:56, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

One-sided WP:CON invites

I recommend that when you encounter two editors disputing in an article about a conservative topic, you invite both editors to WikiProject Conservatism. Obviously both are interested in the conservative topic, and inviting only the editor with the conservative viewpoint is increasing the likelihood that the project will get deleted as a stealth resurrection of the Conservative Noticeboard rather than as a genuine WikiProject. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, Ros, however both you and Bink have participated at WT:Right, and Bink is even a member. There are many members who might describe themselves as left-leaning, not that that matters, and even Bello of all people is participating in the historic first-ever Collaboration. The main purpose of WP:Right, the only one that matters anyway, is completely in alignment with WP policies: to create Featured Articles. Lionel (talk) 02:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

This reply of yours does not address the point, that inviting only neo-cons to the group will skew it, stacking it in favor of a political viewpoint. There is no remit at Wikipedia to create political parties under the guise of a WikiProject. Binksternet (talk) 02:45, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Lionelt: I was referring to TyrS and Kaldari - you're quite correct that both Bink and I are already aware of the project's existence. :) Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Update!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Wookiebookie = More Benji! How much free time does this guy have? - Haymaker (talk) 13:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Welcome

Lionelt, I want to say hello and welcome,

I dont know if you are SDA but I hope to see your work as I check some of the Adventist pages and working with us on Southern Adventist University and maybe even help us with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Seventh-day Adventist Church.Simbagraphix (talk) 00:47, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the very kind and gracious note. I know many of my wikistalkers, based on my editing, will find this incredibly hard to believe, but I am Roman Catholic. Yes, it's true! I know my wikistalkers are in shock and awe right about now. That said, I have never let my faith in the one and only true God affect my editing. I have endeavored to edit with a NPOV. And for the most part I think I have been successful: anyone who has worked with me will tell you that I am the most fair and balanced editor they know. Well I've done it. I'm out of the closet. Feels good. Lionel (talk) 23:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

On this sage occasion I find I must share a religious joke that may get a grin from the Catholics:

A Jewish couple has a son who was a holy terror. He was kicked out of every school they put him in. Desperate, the father went to the rabbi who said to put him in a Catholic school. Shocked but without alternatives, the father enrolled him at St. Gertrude's and left him with the nuns.
After a full day at school the son comes home and says "Good afternoon Papa, good afternoon Mama," goes to the kitchen table and starts on his homework. The father is amazed and asks why he stayed in school all day, and why he is behaving so well. His son looks up and says "Papa, after you left, the Mother Superior told me that they did not allow rowdy boys, then she showed me the chapel, the lunchroom, and my classroom. Papa they mean business! They've got a Jew nailed on a cross in every room!"

Consider yourself joked. Binksternet (talk) 23:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Funny!!! Lionel (talk) 00:23, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

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I didn't realize you left me messages before

Sorry, I didn't realize you left me messages before. How then would you suggest is the most appropriate way to explain and denote the very valid and factual addition to The Zach Stark controversy, which is that he's finally speaking out in this documentary. This controversy, over Zach has been immensely important. Now that he's officially speaking out in this documentary I was trying to find the best way to note this. Sorry if I did it wrong, it was just frustrating that you kept deleting it, and that the only other reference to Zach and this documentary (which addresses the very section/title on that page) has been deleted off this page several times. Seems suspicious like trying to hide facts. Thats all. I appreciate any fair help you can give me to post the facts and continue the history that's already stated and being left on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billylessene (talk • contribs) 01:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

	The Working Man's Barnstar
	For your never tiring work at project Conservatism. I stumble upon your work where ever I go and it is of a very high quality. (This is coming from a liberal) Cheers Guerillero | My Talk 18:24, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Samuel Pipim

Hi Lionel,

The Samuel Koranteng-Pipim article is getting some source and speculation problems. Several people should help guard the article from speculators and rumormongers, IMO. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 16:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not gonna template you

However, I did revert your edit to Talk:The Political Cesspool, since it made no sense and you did not explain it in your edit summary. --19:49, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

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Featured portal candidacy

Hi, I've left comments at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Conservatism. You can just reply there, rather than here or at my talk page, as I have the nomination watchlisted. Bencherlite^Talk 17:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Conservatism at Catholic Church talk page

But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed
-Luke 14:13

Hi, Lionel. When Sarek removed the Project Conservatism template (put there by bot) from the Catholic Church talk page, he quoted the Gospel passage about "When you give a banquet, don't invite people who would invite you to a banquet". [5]. I asked Sarek what he meant but he decided to be inscrutable, so, I responded scrutably. [6]. Do you have any idea what he was getting at? (I'd still like to know) and, Does that template belong on the page? I appreciate your time and your thoughts. --Kenatipo ^speak! 20:45, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

In my experience, few of the people who identify as conservative observe the principles taught in that biblical quote. Therefore, it didn't seem appropriate that that article would fall under the project's scope.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:46, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Your answer is so astounding that I hardly know where to start! My advice would be to get more experience by considerably broadening your circle of associates. I don't know what else to say. --Kenatipo ^speak! 02:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

(Historical footnote: the previous version was much more entertaining. Lionel, you did the right thing though. Always give an alien the benefit of the doubt; his thought patterns aren't quite the same as ours.) --Kenatipo ^speak! 20:03, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Sarek, I assume all your lodge brothers are good fellows. Is not a single one of them conservative? --Kenatipo ^speak! 20:03, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

And, of the conservatives you know, do they regularly share with you the details of their charitable contributions so you know with certainty how much they're doing to "feed the hungry, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless ..."? or, like most peolple, do they keep that information pretty much to themselves? --Kenatipo ^speak! 20:44, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Mediation around Abortion articles location

After the latest move request has landed up with about equal numbers for both sides I've started a mediation request. Please indicate there if you wish to participate. Thanks. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Abortion mediation

Hello. I am asking if you would consider reviewing my comments that I have listed on the mediation page, and giving your feedback on them. While I realise that the current discussion has only been open for a week, it has been one that has been the subject of multiple discussions in the past, with the same things, on both sides, being said over and over again, and I feel a clean break from both suggested article names would be the best way to resolve this dispute. Are you willing to work with me on this one? I want this dispute to be closed once and for all, and feel my proposal is reasonable, but need a willingness to compromise on this. Discussions are, from my assessment, more or less split down the middle, and it appears unlikely to me that one of the existing names will be agreed upon by the majority of users. That's why I've suggested an alternative. There's no point continuing a discussion if it's clear that there's no consensus for either of the options listed, so I feel mediation could bring a final resolution to this matter. As you've said on the article talk page, "There is no consensus for option 1, nor for option 2.", so I'm proposing a third option, which seems to have support. Please consider that option, I'd appreciate your input on the matter. Thanks. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 06:52, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

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Abortion lede

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Ng Yi-Sheng

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RE: WikiAd

Sure! Any particular design, style, etc. you guys are looking for? m.o.p 13:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Pipim

What is going on at the Pipim article? Why is one admin single-handedly removing all kinds of good paragraphs without giving us time to add sources? This is becoming problematic. Thoughts?--Fountainviewkid (talk) 14:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Due to WP:BURDEN I presume. Read the policy. Then find sources for the content you want to keep. Add a section to the talk page, add {{editprotected}}, and add the sources. – Lionel ^(talk) 03:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Thankfully Hope has been great. We've both been finding a ton of quality sources. The nice thing is Pipim has been out there so much that it's easy to find material on him. And I have some of his books or books he's helped with for more good sources. Bello's two favorite websites Spectrum and Adventist Today even have a lot on him. Thanks for your help.--Fountainviewkid (talk) 12:51, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Samuel Koranteng-Pipim

I have removed your comments on the talk page. Please keep discussion on Wikipedia professional and never claim people will be blocked for something. Brandon (talk) 03:33, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

On the other hand could 50.72.159.224 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) be BelloWello editing logged off while on holiday? Looks a bit like it to me in view of his knowledge of the blog in question and his more recent editing patterns. Mathsci (talk) 04:45, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of which, I think something went wrong with your last edit. Please self-revert. Mathsci (talk) 04:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Somebody else did. :) Mathsci (talk) 04:50, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Fountain is the fastest kid in the wiki. Btw IP also shares WMOs fixation with Generation of Youth for Christ. – Lionel ^(talk) 04:55, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

There is a fixation with conservative vs progressive + the obsessive editing. On the hand why did you write that WMO is banned on the AfD? That doesn't seem to be true. Mathsci (talk) 05:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I forgot. – Lionel ^(talk) 05:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

There seem to have been contradictory actions from Brandon (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), who is a checkuser, and SarekofVulcan. SoV declined to semiprotect Generation of Youth for Christ, but Brandon did so later on the grounds of excessive sockpuppetry. The main IP involved was 50.72.159.224, so perhaps he thinks he is a sock. Brandon also rejected as spamming the multiple requests on the Pipim talk page. Interestingly he also blocked Letsgocrazytogether (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as a sock. He has edited an article which you will see is very close to BW's interests: his blog is again used as a source. Time will tell what is going on here, but it is reassuring that a checkuser is involved and matters have calmed down since earlier. Mathsci (talk) 13:54, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	Wikipedia:WikiProject Conservatism is really good idea. Milan M. (talk) 08:55, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I saw what you did there.

Heh. Miss E. Lovetinkle (talk) 08:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

You're a Mathsci sockpuppet, aren't you? Miss E. Lovetinkle (talk) 09:08, 3 July 2011 (UTC)