User talk:El C

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For you

El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:

And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:

Also, two days ago I got to rub a cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:

Love, El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).

Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Oooo. Purdy!

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren ^(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Here's some peanuts for Hidey. He hasn't got any!

Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 00:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy Groundhog Day

Happy day! Jehochman ^Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Chippies

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Book?

Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua^?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

4Tality Fractal

1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time

2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4D (temporal)

3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity

4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma

El_C 07:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

tank

free image.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Leclerctank.jpg

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Amanbir Singh Grewal (talk • contribs)

No thanks, it's too low quality. El_C 21:54, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

You live!

It was really nice to see you pop up on my watchlist! Guettarda (talk) 22:07, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, nice to be seen! El_C 22:18, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

• glad to see you active again! —usernamekiran(talk) 12:03, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks—let's see how long it lasts! El_C 12:08, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

same ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:10, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

/bows El_C 12:19, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I saw a similar thread here, also by Guettarda: He lives! - Only, he doesn't. I keep his smile and best phrase on my talk, second-best phrase: "Be sure to kneel as you type." - Great that we live! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Sad, but yes, it's good to be alive! El_C 13:27, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Paulo Kassoma and President of Liberia

List of Presidents of Liberia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:205:1304:73DA:0:0:75:30A0 (talk) 13:31, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Why are you removing "February 2010" in Paulo Kassoma? El_C 21:02, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Why are you removing images from President of Liberia? El_C 21:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Nasty personal attacks in need of revdel

An IP editor (70.235.158.228) you blocked has made some extremely nasty personal attacks and has threatened to out editors. Most, if not all, of their contributions probably should be revdelled under RD2. If you can help, that would be great. – Teratix ₵ 01:37, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, was away. El_C 04:15, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Jones College Prep High School

Thanks for the protection. It's clear we've straightened out the issue, so can you please lift protection? Thanks! John from Idegon (talk) 12:36, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 13:38, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Had a bad day yesterday with noobs. This one worked out. One out of three. Woo hoo. John from Idegon (talk) 16:23, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

2017 Tehran attacks

The category Category:Terrorist incidents in Iran in the 2010s which I added to 2017 Tehran attacks is a valid category and part of a (populated) series re terrorism in Iraq and is similar to other countries Hugo999 (talk) 10:14, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

It was redlinked at the time. El_C 10:16, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

GMO

Thank you. This area has been very quiet for a long time now and we are getting some decent articles up. AIRcorn (talk) 00:14, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Fer sure. Keep up the good work! El_C 00:16, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Revert Reason

Hi, I noticed that you reverted this edit without a reason in the edit summary, and you flagged it as a minor edit. It seems like a legitimate addition to me, so I was hoping you could explain why you did it. Thanks! AlexEng^(TALK) 19:30, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

The same thing was added to 18 articles. El_C 21:22, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. That makes sense. AlexEng^(TALK) 21:24, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Happy times

Anytime I see your name around. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:39, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

FROM ALL SUBJECT! El_C 04:42, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Softlavender (talk) 12:31, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Jeppem

I see you blocked Jeppem7 (talk · contribs), you might want to also take a look at Jeppem2 (talk · contribs). Ivanvector's squirrel (^trees/_nuts) 12:41, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I blocked all of em. Jeppe123eee (talk · contribs), too. El_C 12:44, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Bordeaux–Mérignac Airport

You locked the Bordeaux–Mérignac Airport page with disputed content which violates several WP policies left in place. I would be grateful if you would revert it to the last revision by User:SovalValtos.Charles (talk) 12:45, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't be favouring versions. El_C 12:48, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

A maintenance template was also incorrectly removed and you should disfavour content which clearly violates policy.Charles (talk) 12:51, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

You are free to take this to RFPP#Current requests for edits to a protected page. El_C 12:56, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Better things to do. The adverts can just stay until the lock expires.Charles (talk) 13:01, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/37.171.126.141

I don't think this was vandalism. Check the article for context. I was just about to make the edit on the IP's behalf then I saw your block. — MusikAnimal ^talk 13:12, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

My bad. Unblocked. El_C 13:21, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Your 3RR block on 46.211.8.191

Hi El C! I'm just letting you know that I've unblocked this IP (a procedural unblock only) because it's part of a range (46.211.0.0/16) that I've just blocked for two weeks due to IP hopping vandalism, disruption, and other abuse. There's little doubt in my mind that this situation is related to the others - take a look at the range contributions and you'll probably agree. ;-) If you have any questions, concerns, objections, or input regarding this range block and what I did - please let me know (ping me in your response here) and I'll be happy to discuss it with you. I doubt that you'll have issue with what I did, but I figured I'd let you know just in case. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:17, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi. All good, they can register an account if they wish to continue editing SpaceIL, in light of the disruption from that range. El_C 12:27, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Mughal Maratha wars

Bro, please read this page thoroughly. It's being edited every day. Very many uncited and misleading claims exist in the article. It's heavily biased in favour of a particular faction. Chippy pest (talk) 13:40, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Feel free to correct these, but we don't fully protect pages for these reasons. El_C 13:43, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Can you partially protect it? Chippy pest (talk) 13:46, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

At least, the infobox. Web results Mughal–Maratha Wars - Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Mugh...Chippy pest (talk) 13:50, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

It wouldn't make a difference. You are having an edit dispute also with registered users. I suggest you take your (detailed) concerns to the article talk page. El_C 13:52, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Sudan

Hi Reuters confirms the news. --Panam2014 (talk) 08:14, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Not sure a provincial govt. minister counts as a reliable source for us. Best to wait for the official announcement and its confirmation by mainstream sources. El_C 08:17, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Reuters is reliable, so if Reuters decided to cite him, his claim became reliable. --Panam2014 (talk) 08:20, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

They are being more cautious than you about it. Sorry, you're gonna have to wait at least an hour. El_C 08:21, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

In this case, we could write "Sudan's Bashir steps down, government sources say". --Panam2014 (talk) 08:31, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

We are an encyclopedia not a newspaper. El_C 08:32, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Doing it is not writing a newspaper because the sources who relayed the info are reliables. The information is relayed by lots of sources. --Panam2014 (talk) 08:34, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

We wait for official statements, as confirmed by mainstream sources. El_C 08:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

It is not enough if we add the fact that it is the claim of sources quoted by Reuters. I think we should ask for others opinions. --Panam2014 (talk) 08:37, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

That's what the article talk page is for. But an hour break from editing the article seems rather mild to me. El_C 08:42, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Masterofthename behaviour

Hi you have warned Masterofthename here Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Masterofthename reported by User:Shemtovca (Result: Warned )

I have tried to have a reasonable conversation, he has suggested that i add it properly to the article which i did earlier today. His response to that was to add most of it again under a different subject and accuse me that he that i am working with some sort of gang and am lying... Can you please help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shemtovca (talk • contribs)

Blocked for 24 hours. El_C 00:36, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Shemtovca (talk) 00:37, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, just wanted to highlight that innuendo continues here Shemtovca (talk) 16:14, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Breast Tax

I have told the truth about the breast tax myth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:D08A:7EC6:F414:C38F:FD74:220D (talk) 09:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Please use the article talk page to gain the consensus for your changes. El_C 09:48, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Please refer to this - https://rarebooksocietyofindia.org/book_archive/196174216674_10152112262136675.pdf. Women of ALL classes used to bare their breasts. There's no proof for the legend of Nangeli other than from the mid-20th century; which shows that it's a myth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:D08A:7EC6:F414:C38F:FD74:220D (talk) 09:51, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

You need to present this on the article talk page, with a more detailed citation (quotes, page numbers). El_C 09:54, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

OK, will do it. Thanks for the diplomacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:D08A:7EC6:F414:C38F:FD74:220D (talk) 09:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Not at all. El_C 09:57, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadar_climber - I've added a line here with a citation. Is this OK? (I agree that exploitation was there - but most of the sources cited for this breast tax are from books written in the 90s, so it's most likely a myth) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:D08A:7EC6:F414:C38F:FD74:220D (talk) 10:03, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Yet again, please use the Talk page to gain the consensus for your changes. El_C 10:05, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Changing quotes

Hi, can anything be done about this user? They are constantly changing punctuation in direct quotations and adding commas in random places. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:46, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi. I dropped them another note. Let me know if this continues. El_C 18:54, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

They are back with a new IP. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 12:01, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I just semiprotected for a month. El_C 12:15, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. :) Krimuk2.0 (talk) 18:01, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Blocks

I noticed you've been doing very long blocks on dynamic IP addresses, frequently set as a hard block ("Prevent logged-in users from editing from this IP address" set). I also noticed that you marked one of your blocks as a checkuser block – Special:Contributions/84.1.247.135. I assume that was an accident, but only checkusers should mark blocks as checkuser blocks – there are special rules for these blocks, making them harder to appeal. Also, non-checkusers probably shouldn't do hard blocks unless they're blocking something like an open proxy. There's no way for non-checkusers to ascertain the collateral damage. Generally, if you want to do a hard block on a non-proxy, I think it's best to ask a checkuser to see if there's collateral damage. If you see someone evading a block from a mobile network operator, you should definitely not do a hard block, and you should probably keep the block length short, like 24–48 hours. Blocking these IP addresses for 3 months will likely cause many random internet users in the same general geolocation to be unable to edit. If you're blocking these IP addresses because they're proxies, you should label them with {{blocked proxy}}. Proxies, webhosts, and stuff like that can be hard blocked for months (or even years), but they should be properly labeled so that people know how to appeal (for example, {{Colocationwebhost}} gives advice on what to information to provide in the unblock request). I apologize for coming across with an attitude like "hey, only checkusers can do that!", but hard blocks can sometimes cause lots of problems for innocent users. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:32, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try to be more mindful of this. El_C 01:43, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding new article Cow vigilante violence in India

I had created the article Cow vigilante violence in India. As far as my knowledge of rules goes, redirecting a new article is deletion, and that must be done via WP:AFD. But two users are redirecting without consensus. He even reported me as edit warrring to the administrator notice board, which was found as no violation by you [2]. I have mentioned my view on the talk page, but others are not replying anything to it. They just want to merge it to subset of the subject, that is violence after the year 2014. Is consensus required to create a page, or is it required to delete a page? Please let me know. Soarwakes (talk) 08:59, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Consensus is not required to create an article, but it is required for deletion. Redirection is not deletion, however. I fully protected the page to end the chronic edit war, so I suggest you and the various participants (and perhaps others editors via a Request for comment) try reach consensus on the article talk page. El_C 09:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

The guy is still reverting instead of taking it to WP:AFD. His report at Admin notice board for edit warring was dismissed as no violation. [3] Should I leave it and move on? Soarwakes (talk) 08:07, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Again, redirection is not deletion, so they are not obliged to to take it to AfD. Maybe try dispute resolution. El_C 13:23, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I have posted in Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Cow_vigilante_violence_in_India. Let me see what he replies there. Soarwakes (talk) 04:25, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Fatehpur Sikri

Hey , why u deleted the right content?? Kumarpkp (talk) 11:44, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Because it made no sense and lacked punctuation. El_C 11:47, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Unfair Deletion of the Content

Hello, As per my understanding you have done the unfair deletion of the content from the Page using "Placement is too promotional". If the content is present in the following wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnyaneshwar , how this can be removed. It has been written what Samadhi means and the same was added to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditation. Kindly review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winchetan (talk • contribs)

Because the Meditation article represents more than just Hinduism, and having that picture at the beginning is biased. It's best you take it to the article talk page and see what other editors think. El_C 11:10, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

protecting the notre dame cathedral fire page

Thank you for doing it, disabling the ability of easy adding nonsense and radicality. Even though users like me then cannot edit entirely, I appreciate it. 208.54.36.166 (talk) 12:52, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Fer sure. You are welcome. El_C 12:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:NoCoRadioAdvocate reported by User:MB (Result: 24 hours)

Now using an IP to sock on KBPI, 69.11.193.91 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). Nate • (chatter) 00:03, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Semiprotected for six months. El_C 00:06, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much; can the same be applied to K300CP? Nate • (chatter) 00:09, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Done and done. Also extended the user's block to one week for block evasion. El_C 00:14, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Again, thank you. Nate • (chatter) 00:33, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

The New York Times Best Seller list

Hi, earlier you protected this page due to a long term vandal changing it to "New Fart Times". Within 24hrs of the protection ending, two IPs appeared making the same Fart vandalism. I assume the vandal has some sort of automatic reminder. They usually geolocate to the same city (though not always). -- GreenC 13:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Semiprotected for 2 months. El_C 16:18, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Lars Sullivan

Hello, El C. Sorry to say, but I disagree with your comment at WP:RFPP regarding Lars Sullivan. In the last 7 days we have seen deliberate factual error
deliberate factual error
unsourced content
unsourced content
unsourced content
unsourced content
and either vandalism or factual error.
This article is also a BLP, so we should be trying to avoid vandalism even more on an article on a living person. I do understand some of these edits might not stand out as disruptive to someone unfamiliar with the subject matter. StaticVapor message me! 04:36, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I stand corrected. Not sure how I missed that — I'm usually pretty good when it comes to RFPP (or so I'd like to think!). Semiprotected for one month. El_C 04:41, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Protection

As far as I'm concerned you can throw long or even indefinite semi-protection at them. That LTA is someone with nothing better in his life than this. Drmies (talk) 01:16, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, 3 months is a bit optimistic, isn't it? Feel free to amend. El_C 01:19, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Maybe. Maybe I'm wrong. Thanks--I appreciate the protection. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Why was Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election changed to "pending reviews" status?

Hello,

I was curious was to why you applied pending changes to the page? The page is not even a day old and users need to be able to add new information as it comes out without being contested. I find it excessive to apply pending changes so soon. Users can revert content when they see fit, of course appropriately. Thank you. Aviartm (talk) 01:38, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

See WP:RFPP#Report_On_The_Investigation_Into_Russian_Interference_In_The_2016_Presidential_Election. Disruption has already began, and I'm not sure I see the harm of pending changes being attached to the article, even at this early stage. El_C 01:47, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

I see that put for a whole year? And as the user who asked for Pending Changes, it was IP users who were doing the disrupting. Why not WP:SEMI protect? That would've and is the perfect page protection needed instead of a whole year of slowing down updates to the page whilst thwarting IP users disrupting the page. Aviartm (talk) 01:57, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

There wasn't enough disruption to warrant semiprotection, I felt. But as mentioned on the article talk page, I'm more than willing to reconsider if there are further objections. El_C 02:04, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Alright. Let's continue talking over there but don't you think that WP:SEMI is less severe than pending changes? Aviartm (talk) 02:14, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Let's. But no, I do not. Quite the contrary. Since it still allows nonconfirmed users to submit edits — it's just that those edits then need to be approved by confirmed users. Whereas semi wholly excludes nonconfirmed users from making edits. El_C 02:17, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Indef_of_OP

I took the liberty of adding "of OP" [4] to your (Result: Indef) since otherwise it appeared to indicate that I was indeffed. Meters (talk) 10:32, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, that's fine. El_C 18:16, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Partycity

This may be of interest to you. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 04:34, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Blocked for 48 hours — I'll update AN3, as well. El_C 06:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Telecommunication § Digital cinema

Hi El C

This information is OK see :

Alexandru Georgescu (et al.), Critical Space Infrastructures. Risk, Resilience and Complexity, Springer, 2019, p. 48.

Best,

Stephen C. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.13.234.144 (talk) 10:03, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm just not sure that the passage fits into the article, because it was speaking about one film in particular rather than discuss the phenomenon with respect to how it connects to Telecommunication, in general. You should take it to the article talk page to see what other editors think. El_C 10:08, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Never mind, on closer look, it looks like I was in error. Sorry about that. El_C 10:17, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Template:Editnotices/Page/Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen

Hi, this dates back to 2017 but was misplaced on this article. The associated 1RR condition is for topics relating to the Syrian Civil War or to ISIS/ISIL, which this article is neither. Thanks. Onetwothreeip (talk) 05:35, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

See Saudi_Arabian-led_intervention_in_Yemen#Al-Qaeda_and_Islamic_State. El_C 05:41, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Pending changes confusing

Greetings El C. You recently applied Pending Changes protection on the Mueller Report article. This is quite confusing as questionable revisions by IPs collide with revisions by auto-approved editors. A lot more work must be done to undo things or apply simple copyedits. Please consider switching to semi-protection. Thanks! — JFG ^talk 08:28, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm just not seeing that much editing by IPs to warrant this change at this time — please feel free to comment at Mueller_Report#Why_was_the_page_applied_with_Pending_Changes_status? As an aside, I noticed you made a similar edit to one of mine (I was immediately reverted). El_C 19:16, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Then why not drop pending changes? Do you think there's ongoing likelihood of vandalism? The flurry of news and analysis following the report's release has calmed down already. — JFG ^talk 16:25, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

There was an IP whose changes was reverted yesterday, so I think it's still fine, for now. But if more editors petition me to remove it, I'll reconsider. El_C 17:19, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Reducing full protection on Template:2018–19 Serie A table

Hi, The edit warring problem on the Template:2018–19 Serie A table has been settled, so you can reduce the level of protection so that edit can be made and also because there's a game today and that edits must be made. RafaelS1979 (talk) 13:31, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 19:17, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! RafaelS1979 (talk) 20:10, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Alligator gar

I agree with your assessment that RPP isn't the correct board. Per my comments at RPP? - In this case, the person requesting the RPP...yeah, they seem to be wrong on at least one grammatical count... Shearonink (talk) 01:01, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Yeah, the best way to resolve this is for the involved parties to stop reverting and bring it to the article talk page. El_C 01:05, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	thanks for removing vandalism .localhostdotdev (talk) 01:14, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the recognition! Much appreciated. El_C 01:19, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

RFPP

Hi El C,

Thanks for this page protection a couple of weeks ago, it has dealt with the disruption on the article. Unfortunately, the same person has now taken their campaign to the talk page. Any possibility of some level of protection there? (And/or a block on that IP.)

Thanks, JBL (talk) 12:00, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I semiprotected the talk page, too (for one week). El_C 18:05, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Monroe additions 23-APR-2019

Hi, I've reviewed the request for addition of material to the Monroe Calculating Machine Company and approved only two items:

1. That Monroe was purchased by Arlington (with a {{cn}} tag added because the provided source did not confirm this)
2. That Bill Ault was COO (along with the reference from Monroe which does confirm this)
3. The request to add anything concerning Monroe beyond those two items above was declined.
4. The request to add information concerning Arlington beyond it being mere owner of Monroe (specifically the executive lineup) was declined.

As you're monitoring this page, I thought I'd let you know here, too. If there is a problem with any of this, please feel free to either revert it, or ask me and I will revert it immediately. Thank you!  Spintendo  22:04, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Sounds good, but I'm just the admin who responded to the RfPP regarding this. So I'll leave the content decisions to the respective editors, like yourself. El_C 22:10, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hey, I just wanted to chime in here, as an independent observer, in case you felt any action was required. You recently locked down List of independent wrestling promotions in Canada over content disputes. One user has specifically stated that they have multiple accounts that they will use to abuse editing [5]. In addition they have made it clear that they do not have any interest in communicating to build an encyclopedia [6]. To me this sounds like a user who is WP:NOTHERE to help fulfill the mission of Wikipedia but to push their own ideas, but I am reaching out to you since you are the admin involved in locking the page. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 16:04, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Blocked indefinitely. El_C 16:09, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I just was about to mention this comment too [7] but I guess not needed, ill revert it since its completely WP:UNCIVIL. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 16:10, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Edit Warring on 'Forum for Democracy'

Yesterday me and MrClog got into an edit war on the article 'Forum for Democracy' and because you were the admin that locked the page because of vandalism, I thought I should reach out to you.

We both accused each other of being biased towards or against the political party and to prevent an edit war I went to his talk page to try to find a consensus there. His point was that you can call a party 'far-right' in the sidebar if some sources (in this case Al Jazeera, Telegraph and Politico; All foreign sources) refer to it as such. I said the party doesn't identify as far-right, has distanced itself from the far-right and that most sources do not refer to the party as far-right (and gave sources, including their own party website arguing the party is actually more of a 'middenpartij', meaning centre-party.), yet he says these do not count as reliable sources. This is fine and we can have a discussion about this, but before we ever reached a consensus he has already reverted all my edits, including edits that don't have anything to do with this discussion and are relatively undisputed. If you ask me this reeks of promoting a political bias on his side and I would love to talk it out, but he doesn't seem to be willing to listen to my points on how to make this page more politically neutral.

Especially because he also removed contributions of mine that had nothing to do with this discussion, it doesn't seem to me like he's acting in good faith.

Thanks for the time -Freerka (talk) 23:31, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

The place to discuss the changes is on the article talk page — why have you yet to do this? The onus to do so is on you as the one who implemented these. El_C 23:37, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Ah, thanks! I will move my criticism on his user talk page to the article talk page. -Freerka (talk) 23:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the Edit Warring on Fraser Anning's Conservative National Party page

Hello, I suppose it's reasonable that the page was locked by you. I have come here to request a reversion of the page as stated here WP:PREFER. I was acting in good faith to keep most of the edits in place, which was why I wasn't simply reverting the page, and why I was allowing most of the content to stay with only minor edits instead of just reverting everything that was posted in a blatantly biased manner. Large numbers of the citations used on the page are almost entirely irrelevant and contradict the guidelines placed out at WP:RS and WP:NPOV in which journalists are used as a factual source despite those journalists not being able to objectively prove their position. Since people on the page have an issue with my edit, and my edit was in issue with their edit, I would request that a previous version before all of this began be reverted to until a consensus has been achieved on the talk page (which I admit I didn't realize was a per-requisite for editing a page, I thought the rules and guidelines on content quality took precedence). This version here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fraser_Anning%27s_Conservative_National_Party&diff=893158435&oldid=893031161 was before all of this dispute began and was an edit that was not made by myself and is therefore more neutral than either of the pages used in the current dispute. Thanks. Sundeki (talk) 02:02, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not familiar enough with the content dispute to be comfortable in applying that edit to the protected page — so, unless you can definitively show that there are BLP violations, etc., you will just have to settle with the wrong version for the duration. El_C 02:08, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Okay. After the lock has run out, will I be able to revert the page to the stated previous page (so clearly I'm not the one getting everything I want either, as I have issue with that page as well, but at least it's not totally biased) without it being locked again if another edit war occurs? I am unfamiliar with administration on Wikipedia, and so I ask: which page takes precedence as the locked page when an administrator locks it? Thanks for your responses. Sundeki (talk) 02:14, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

No version takes precedence — the one that's up at the time of protection is the one that's retained. I wouldn't put the horse before the cart, however. Work on reaching consensus actively, please. El_C 02:16, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh I have been trying quite hard to reach a consensus, but now I don't feel as though one particular user is acting in good faith. If you review the relevant talk page, you will see I have written detailed paragraphs of the issues, cited and quoted specific sections of the rules/guidelines as why, and broke down other user's statements specifically. In return I get dismissive one line comments that refuse to engage with anything of note that I've said, instead getting responses that show that they are not acting in good faith to reach a consensus and will reject every piece of evidence and rule quotation I bring forth and then proceed to revert the page immediately. What would happen if this particular user and I will never see eye to eye because they want it all their way and my compromises are not enough to get them to reach a consensus? Will the page continue to be locked over and over with longer times? until the article basically becomes a dead wasteland? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sundeki (talk • contribs)

My suggestion to you would be to try to get more editors involved, if need be via a Request for Comment or other forms of dispute resolution. El_C 02:31, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Okay, Thanks for your help/time. Sundeki (talk) 02:34, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Injustice and vigilantism (but not on Wikipedia)

Hi, I found my way here from a recent block you made, criticized by others but considered long overdue by me. But I'm not neutral on that topic so perhaps not a worthwhile opinion. More importantly, I just wanted to say how wonderful the quote from Che on your talkpage is. In many ways it sums up how I view life (and others) and how we should deal with it. I have added it to my userpage, I hope that is OK with you.

I see you've also been dragged into the excitement over whether articles about Cow vigilante violence should be redirected. I have edited some of these articles repeatedly, but I chose not to get involved in that discussion because I am not totally sure how such decisions are made. And I'm not sure that I want to know :) I hope it all works out for the best. MPS1992 (talk) 21:40, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, that's absolutely fine. Regarding the block, I feel like I've been more than fair in that instance. All the best, El_C 22:43, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Civility Barnstar
	Thank you for being civil during contention. Manabimasu (talk) 02:43, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar! El_C 02:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

UK vs. US spelling

In New York city, doesn't follow "rules": Chinese Community Centre — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:CA82:9800:BD8D:12D3:EC9E:8983 (talk) 04:49, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Because that article involves the US, while the Treaty of Nanking involves the UK. El_C 04:53, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I also started a discussion about it on the article talk page. Please feel free to participate there. El_C 04:57, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Three-month block

Isn't a 3 month block too much? Can this block be reduced to, at least, one week? -- 177.135.52.200 (talk) 04:41, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

They were already blocked for one week, then 2 week, then one month. So, 3 months was the logical conclusion. The next block is likely to be six months. El_C 07:41, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Is there any necessity to keep this block for so long though? -- 186.213.48.126 (talk) 04:23, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

It's a matter of routine here — keeping disruptive anon IPs blocked for increasingly longer duration. Why do you ask? El_C 05:29, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

I was asking just in case a consensus that the Estado Novo was Fascist is reached, I will need to revert the edits by JPratas if this happens. -- 177.42.139.19 (talk) 20:07, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand. What's wrong with your current IP? What IP is this regarding? El_C 20:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

My IP keeps changing many times for some reason, I don't know why, I'm not doing this deliberately though. -- 177.42.139.19 (talk) 20:19, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I figured it out. No IP has been blocked, you are just asking about the 3 month semiprotection that I applied to Estado Novo (Portugal) and related-articles. Regarding this, I have no immediate intention of reducing the protection length as there has been far too much edit warring by multiple IPs — if consensus is, indeed, established thusly, there is no shortage of logged-in users to apply these. El_C 20:28, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Just for curiosity, Wikipedia has for many years considered the Estado Novo a Fascist regime, JPratas then decided (very likely because of personal political views) to try to change that, so, technically, shouldn't JPratas be the one who needs to seek consensus for this? -- 177.42.139.19 (talk) 21:40, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Well, you provide no diffs, and I haven't followed the article/s closely enough over the years to place the context in which "para-fascist" was removed from the lead — but that is certainly a point which you are welcome to advance on the article talk page. El_C 22:58, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail

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User:Afg96

Hello. The reported user (User:Afg96) has now made a fourth revert plus another personal attack, in spite of getting an extra message on their talk page warning them not to continue reverting... - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 19:31, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Blocked for 24 72 hours. El_C 19:35, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

• And now they're evading their block, using a static IP: 2001:630:D0:5001::/64 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · block user · block log). In their last post on Talk:University of Bologna Afg96 quoted EB, just like this IP does in their edit summary... - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 20:14, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

• Block increased to 2 weeks; page semiprotected for the duration. El_C 20:21, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	For quickly fulfilling my RfPP requests * Pppery * has returned 20:01, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks! Glad to help. El_C 20:02, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Facelift the references?

Hi, fellow Wikipedian. I saw your edits on the references in the Poway synagogue shooting article. Why did you delete the cite web templates and replaced them with plain text? What does "facelift" mean? —Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 23:28, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I didn't delete anything — there were just plain urls. El_C 23:31, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

You may have accidentally deleted them in your first edit. —Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 23:35, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh yeah, sorry about that. But it looks like it's been sorted. El_C 23:44, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

No worries. :) —Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 03:09, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/81.99.45.208

The IP keep adding unreferenced genre. Can you block him/her? 183.171.115.47 (talk) 04:29, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 04:32, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Not that protection would hurt

But I'm pretty sure Anaxial and I are quite finished. 199.247.43.106 (talk) 06:50, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. Yeah, that was just an emergency measure. El_C 06:54, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

PP

Hi, El C - you PP'd Alligator gar on April 22, and said 4 days - it is now 7 days and it's still full PP. It is possible that I counted wrong, but I doubt it. If it was supposed to auto-unPP by a bot, it failed. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 20:20, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks like the bot was not doing its job. I just removed it manually. El_C 20:36, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Akhtar Raza Khan Page

Hello El C, I just wanted to discuss why the changes on the Akhtar Raza Khan page were removed. The added mentions were just about his son who succeeded him in his position, and that too with appropriate references. Moreover, I notice that you wrote that Kanthapuram A.P. Aboobacker Musliyar was the "Grand Mufti of India" - this is disputed in India as it was a self proclaimed announcement and I think it is wrong to be asserted on Wikipedia as a fact - unfortunately the Kanthapuram A.P. Aboobacker Musliyar page is locked due to vandalism so I am unable to make an amendment to this. I believe that the Wikipedia editors/administrators have been duped into asserting this as fact. For reference of the dispute, see the reputable Indian Newspaper "The Hindu". Please do let me know if you require any futher information. SunniObserver786 (talk) 20:41, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

They were removed and the pages were protected because we have had it on Wikipedia with the back and fourth between the two factions. My suggestion is to launch a proper Request for comment on the talk page of Grand Mufti of India where this can be settled once and for all. El_C 22:48, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice, I'll raise a Request for comment as per your suggestion (apologies I'm new to Wikipedia so still learning how it all works!). While the RFC will hopefully resolve the "Grand Mufti" issue, I just want to make clear that Asjad Raza Khan being the spiritual successor is unrelated to the "Grand Mufti" announcement. In Sufism, Grand Shaykhs usually appoint their sons as spiritual successors. Can this at least not be added to the page so that people can be aware of who is Akhtar Raza Khan's spiritual successor? Thank you. SunniObserver786 (talk) 07:37, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

To the average reader that may not be that intuitive — when they see the word successor, they may be more likely to think of the Grand Mufti position rather than a more nebulous spiritual successor one. That's something which would probably be better expanded upon in the body than the infobox. But feel free to argue for its inclusion in the infobox on the article's talk page. I'm just an editor like you when it comes to these content decisions. We all follow consensus. El_C 07:55, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

References

Sure, I understand. Thanks for your help! I shall now head over to the talk page and focus this discussion there. SunniObserver786 (talk) 13:53, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

seeking advice

I'm new in Wikipedia so I need some help and advice Mustaphajajjage (talk) 00:28, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Sure, what do you need help and advice with? El_C 00:31, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Happy Adminship!

Wishing El C a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Coffeesweet (talk) 18:46, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Has it been x-many years? El_C 18:47, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Well happy days! Drmies (talk) 03:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Carl Benjamin

Hey El C--you semi-protected this article a while ago; LedRush (talk · contribs), essentially an SPA, is continuing to make the same kind of edits that I think prompted you to lock the article. Note the continued edit warring, with no consensus (see talk page), using YouTube sources; essentially it's a kind of whitewashing. I'd block them per NOTHERE, basically, but since I reverted the IP editor I'd rather someone else look at it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:46, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

I've added a new citation which makes clear exactly to what Benjamin was referring in the statement that is now shortened in the article, and which doesn't represent what he's said on the issue. It is my opinion that this is a BLP violation. We include Benjamin's statement, then, rather than allow for his explanation of that statement, Drmies and Greyfell seem to be arguing that it is better to say we don't know to what he could have been referring. Again, this seems like a BLP as he has been quite vocal about to what he was referring.

I've also reverted a new entry into the article which links Benjamin's use of "white nigger" to an article on WP (white nigger) which does not have a UK usage section and very obviously doesn't pertain to what Benjamin was saying. In that edit I did not change the text of the article at all, I merely removed a new, inaccurate link. I find it odd that Drmies would revert that edit and use it as evidence of some kind of wrongdoing on my part. Since the rule on WP is BRD (and to avoid BLP issues), I'm not sure why he wouldn't discuss such a noncontroversial edit with me rather than trying to silence me about discussing it.

I have been an editor for over 12 years and tend to work on articles in bunches as it often takes a long time to both accurately reflect the subject matter and to reach consensus on controversial topics. I don't think this makes me a SPA, it makes me someone who moves from topic to topic over time.LedRush (talk) 04:07, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, Drmies, but I just don't know enough about this user's history, which goes back 12 years. Maybe take it to AN/I for some wider input...? All the best, El_C 04:27, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Reason for reverting the "Elections in India" article

Your revision of Elections in India has removed the text, tables and maps, i added with the references and wikimedia. Kindly state the reason behind reverting the said article. Tables and maps were added to enhance the article and make it easier for the reader to consume the relevant info easily. Map-thumbnails gave the info in a very efficient manner. Just by looking at maps one could grasp the changing behavior of Indian voters since Indian independence. So, i humbly request you to please cooperate and help in making the article better and cite the reasons for undoing my constructive edit. I will be highly thankful to you.--Shoonyea (talk) 14:08, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Please start by reviewing our Manual of style and ensure that your addition largely conforms to it. Your introduction stated:

India is a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC country [...]

Why are those wikilinked words in all-uppercase? That's not acceptable here. Also, India has a mixed economy — referring to it as socialist is a bit of a stretch. It has, in fact, according to our Economy of India article, a highly-regulated capitalist economy. As well, the word sovereign is wholly unnecessary as this is to be assumed by the reader, just as they do in the main India article. Finally, republic country is just bad grammar. And all that, even if it were true and grammatically coherent, does not speak about Elections in India but about the country itself. By contrast, our current lead sentence states:

India is a federation with a parliamentary system governed under the Constitution of India, which defines the power distribution between the union, or central, government and the states.

That does speak about facets which are relevant to Elections in India rather than the country at large. And that's just the introduction. Your addition of maps was misformatted in that it made the entire page way too wide. My suggestion to you would be to link your sizable addition on the article talk page, modify it accordingly, and see what other editors think; that is, go part-by-part and see which of these enjoy consensus and how best they can be integrated with or even replace the existing material. Because, at the moment, there is a problem, evident by two experienced editors having reverted you repeatedly. Thanks. El_C 18:18, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

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Those wikilinked words are in all-uppercase because this is how the whole line is written in the preamble of the constitution of India and can be seen at Constitution of India and also at constitution of India (pg.22).

Yes, you are right that India has mixed economy but the world "socialist" is written in the preamble for reasons said in Socialism in India. Sorry that i wikilinked "socialist" as "socialist" instead of "Socialism in India".

"sovereign" is wholly unnecessary as this is to be assumed by the reader just as they do in the main India ; agreed but i don't agree with "wholly unnecessary". No offense please.

The word "democratic", speaks explicitly whereas "sovereign socialist secular republic" speak implicitly about elections in India. This is where from the existence and practice of election is driven.

If formatting was not correct then reformatting of maps should have been done instead of removal. I searched and now used "scrolling table" which will maintain the width of the page and hope it fixes the problem. Please forgive my ignorance as i am new. This time I have again edited the page to insert Lok Sabha and Vidhan Sabha tables with correct formatting as said earlier and not added/edited anything else. I have kept other things for further review and will edit carefully and use talk in future. I have watchlisted this page in the case you have any suggestion/problem. Thanks.--Shoonyea (talk) 01:23, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Briefly, we don't do uppercase like that on Wikipedia, no matter how the Indian constitution is written. As for the rest, I suggest you take it to the article talk page and try to gain consensus for your changes to the lead there. Discussing this further on a user talk page where it's only the two of us seems counterproductive. Other editors ought to be able to have their say, since that's how our collaborative editing process works. El_C 01:52, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

"Denuvo" page locked before revision was undone.

On 30 April 18:22 you locked a part of the page for " Protected "Denuvo": Addition of unsourced or poorly sourced content " but did not revert the sources column of the page to a more suitable manner.

There are no sources that would be deemed as not poorly sourced due to the nature of the topic. Who would come out as a reliable source to remark on games which are cracked? This is piracy. The ones doing the cracking are not exactly going to come out themselves, so third party sites exist(such as the site which NFOs are posted on) which are actually moderated. False NFOs are removed.

Leave the lock or not, but undue the edit so that we may have this edit below as the live version of the pages column. Or please add a notice that due to the nature of the topic, suitable sources will most likely never exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/894817450

Thank you for your time. Forkinator (talk) 17:57, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Nfos from piracy or quasi-piracy sites (The Scene) are not deemed to be reliable sources on Wikipedia. Also, the article already has over 200 citations, so I don't see an immediate issue in regards to it lacking these. Thanks. El_C 18:28, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Rama Arbitration Case

You were recently listed as a party to a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rama. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rama/Evidence. Please add your evidence by May 10, 2019, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rama/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, -- Amanda (aka DQ) 19:41, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:41, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Previous listing as a party

My apologies for the above section stating that you are a party. You are not, I made a mistake with the template. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 19:51, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

No worries. El_C 22:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

M. K. Stalin

Thank you for protecting the article, but I'm concerned that defamatory BLP content--unsourced 'rumors' of involvement with a friend's suicide, for instance--has been locked in under 'Controversy.' That's why I brought this to the BLP noticeboard, and not page protection. Any further assistance would be appreciated. 2601:188:180:1481:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:34, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I had the edit summary: This section is not up to par with our biographies of living persons policy as there is only one reliable source (which this section also plagiarizes) — but Drmies beat me to it. El_C 03:44, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks again. If you're game I've just listed a few other rather abhorrent BLP miscues at my talk page. 2601:188:180:1481:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:46, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Looks like Drmies beat me to it, again! El_C 03:51, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I just happened to walk by. It's BLP night--see my log. Drmies (talk) 04:02, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks again for doing all the heavy lifting. El_C 04:08, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)

ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Cyclone Fani

This issue I am seeing is not disruption, but a quality issue. I basically have to do a grammar overhaul of every addition made to the meteorological history and add a total of 4-5 sources there as they also did not source as well. If you look in the impact, it is loaded with typos as well. Noah^Talk 22:44, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

How many users does this involve? El_C 22:48, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't have an exact number, but I know that at least 4 people have contributed to the issues that are ongoing. Noah^Talk 22:51, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, but it's all a bit vague. Can you provide a few diffs? El_C 22:56, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Issues

Appears to be ignorance in terminology over the dissipation date. These are unsourced edits that do not provide proof of dissipation.

• [8]
• [9]

These edits contain typos and other problems

• "ares" instead of area... also, the addition of reportedly makes it seem as if the deaths may be fake news concocted by that source alone
• is factually wrong on the wind shear part and reduced to remnants part was unsourced, not to mention written in a way that would need improvement

  If you look in the edit history of the page, the user links to the JTWC as his source, which is not the official meteorological center for this cyclone basin.

• same user added the other end of the spectrum, which was also factually wrong
• these edits added in a sentence starting with and

Im sure there are more edits from the past day I could provide as examples as well. Noah^Talk 23:18, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

No, that's good enough. I've taken the article up to ec. Happy editing. El_C 23:23, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks you

Hi El C

thank you from protecting the page; I have uploaded all necessary documents; even the transcription of documents ; the person use the term hoax even if there is evidence which is not an hoax. This page has been vandalised with false allegations. the person needs to prove that what is a hoax. he seems has more power than me; from one side he argued without bringing any proofs from the other side there is me which upload evidence every time I claim something; however he is able to use terms highly offensive and modify the page while I have been prevented to defend. I would like your help please; I am willing to waive my anonymity I feel I have been bullied. I understand if someone disagree but a person cannot deny the fact (I have uploaded them 0 and accuse someone of a hoax without bring proofs. I feel very depressed; all my work on this page has went to the bin because of this. The page is Este Orioles. thanks Araldico69 Araldico69 (talk) 07:09, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

The way to get your preferred version is by convincing other editors and building consensus. You do this by submitting reliable sources. I'm sorry to hear you're depressed, but the reality is that you did not handle the dispute well and came very close to being blocked. Please also refer to my comment here. El_C 07:15, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

Much appreciated [10]. I'd never run across that before. 2601:188:180:1481:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 00:57, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome. Yes, disturbing, indeed. El_C 00:58, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Wrong version?

I do not think you should blame yourself. This edit of mine was backed by this WP:RSN verdict. and this edit was backed by the new RfC. I give it to you the word "unanimous" was extra though.--Kazemita1 (talk) 03:58, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm not blaming myself, except in jest. Indeed, that expectation of unanimity was excessive. As well, as I already noted, I'm not sure taking this to RSN was the right call. Therefore, I'm also unsure about how binding what you call its verdict is. I suggest you begin by answering SB's question at Talk:People's_Mujahedin_of_Iran#Page_protected_for_4_days. Thanks. El_C 04:11, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hey, yeah you are correct. I just thought it was not the proper way "constructed". Thanks for cleaning up and sorry once again. Kante4 (talk) 22:31, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

No worries. I already blocked the user by the time you changed your mind, so it was too late by then. El_C 22:33, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Yup, saw that. Should have gone to bed already before adding an unfinished report. Will do better next time. Kante4 (talk) 22:34, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Rituraj Singh

Same vandalism as yesterday, this time apparent evasion by a user you blocked. Maybe page protection? Thanks, 2601:188:180:1481:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:18, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 03:23, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Much appreciated. Cheers, 2601:188:180:1481:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:23, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your kind words at MJ's talk. And I wanted you to know I have no problem with you at all. You did the job we don't pay you for as you should have. Another might have done different but when I'm caught on the wrong side of a line, I take what I've got coming. Certainly no hard feelings here. John from Idegon (talk) 03:30, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Fer sure, and I appreciate that — no, no hard feelings here, either. El_C 03:34, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Hey hi howdy. Thanks for your recent action at ANEW. I'm absolutely clueless about Arb sanctions, but I'm certain one or both of the AP sanctions apply to the article was there over. Any chance you'd mark the article up appropriately and add an arb warning to the blocked user's talk? Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 00:15, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Hey. This has been  Done. El_C 00:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Taryn Manning page protection

Hey, it appears my recent attempt on Taryn Manning did not help per this and this. Just wondering if you'll reconsider page protection? Thanks! TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:53, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 03:59, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much, appreciate it greatly! TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:02, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Circle MRT line

Hi, recently you have semi-protected Circle MRT line after i had requested at WP:RFP, and i would like to request that the semi protection be increased to Extended confirmed protection as there is now an autoconfirmed account (probably a sockpuppet) making the exact same edits as the IP before this. diff 1(previous edit by autoconfirmed user in April 2019), diff 2(one of the edits by IP 192.190.204.103), diff 3(autoconfirmed user makes exact same edit as diff 2 by IP). This has been a long standing issue on the page and i hope that you can help to resolve the issue. Thanks 1.02 editor (C651 set 217/218) 08:59, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Also extended the protection by another week to allow more time for discussion. El_C 16:54, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Justice

You might find this interesting: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Letter_from_the_People%27s_Mujahedin_of_Iran_to_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union.jpg

For translation go to California archives here and CTRL+F "olfat".--Kazemita1 (talk) 11:12, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Wow, "up to $300 million" — that's bold! A lot of money, not to mention in those days. El_C 16:54, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

@Kazemita1 & El_C: I wonder why such a historic letter is not used in the article? --Mhhossein ^talk 18:51, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Good question. El_C 18:53, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Appreciation

Thank you for this expansion. I'm not looking for anyone to get blocked, but it was getting clear that something would need to be done to force talk page participation. Without the extra comment, I'm not 100% clear that message would have been received, so I appreciate you circling back. Grandpallama (talk) 12:49, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome — sorry for being so terse earlier. El_C 16:54, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Terseness is golden, right? :) Grandpallama (talk) 18:13, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

I do sometimes use it to excess, however. El_C 21:17, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

What?

Are you talking about me going to the report page about him? I literally clicked the link that Marchjuly left me and told me to aim my complaints there. Oh, and my second “offense” was a private discussion expressing my opinions, not even directed at John. This is too confusing and stressful for me. I’m not going to seek anymore “reprimands” for him. I’m done with this bureaucratic website. Ppizzo278 (talk) 22:25, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry to lose you, but your behaviour has not been exemplary — that's just a fact. (In one occasion,y ou said you hope he "becomes a better person"; in another you called him a "bully"; and in yet another, you reported him for vandlism.) El_C 22:31, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Mrwallace05

Something sweet, while you're here!

Looks like Special:Contributions/Scandiblues a Mrwallace05 sock. Sounds like a duck. 2402:1980:8252:C48F:F1F1:85C1:391C:8F91 (talk) 03:40, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

And Special:Contributions/Prettything1234 too. 2402:1980:8252:C48F:96D9:2B7C:A4A2:E419 (talk) 03:42, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Well, there is no "Scandiblues"--and can you make an argument for why this would be so? Thanks. Drmies (talk) 03:44, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Apparently this is related to MariaJaydHicky, but I'm also not seeing the connection. El_C 03:50, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

I mean Special:Contributions/Scandiblues2. Sorry. 2402:1980:8252:C48F:D824:7:26C9:5738 (talk) 03:53, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

A user obsessed with adding genres — but I've seen a few iterations of that before. El_C 04:05, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Bbb23, I'm pretty sure you can confirm something here on Scandiblues2, esp. since I see a CU block of yours on one of the IPs. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:19, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

@Drmies: (hi El C) The two accounts identified by the IP, plus several others, are  Confirmed to MariaJaydHicky. I don't tag MJH socks, but I usually, as I did here, put her username in the block form itself.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:08, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Bbb23, thank you much. Thanks also to the IP, and to El C for hosting us. El C, can we maybe get some petit-fours here next time? Thanks! Drmies (talk) 13:21, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm a terrible host! Here you go. El_C 17:43, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Blocks

What will happen if the discussion on the Fascism in Europe talkpage ends without consensus being reached? Will you unblock the pages? -- 179.183.235.148 (talk) 06:57, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Again, those are not blocks (users get blocked), those are protections (pages are protected). And you don't need to start a new section about this — I would have seen the comment if it was placed in the previous section you drafted. Anyway, to answer your question: I don't know what I'll do yet, but what I do know is I intend on giving considerable time for consensus to form. In the mean time, feel free to add to the article via edit requests. El_C 17:43, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Bordeaux Airport

Hi El_C, once again the same issues on the Bordeaux Airport page continues. All future routes are sourced, the reversion of edits that are being implemented by User:Charlesdrakew and User:SovalValtos are creating confusion. They remove and merge seasonal routes and simply delete sourced information for future routes. All edits for BOD are in line with the many thousands of other pages on Wikipedia. This is simply damaging the page creating mis and disinformation. Jack1985IE (talk) 18:38, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Please participate in the discussion about this on the article talk page and avoid edit warring in the meantime. El_C 18:44, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Raunak Maskay (talk) 08:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I do need something to wake me up, thanks. El_C 10:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

SleeplessNight12

I see we both started closing the ANI but started from opposite ends. I'm happy for you to leave my close or amend/replace it as you see fit. GoldenRing (talk) 14:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I see that. No, I'm happy with your closing statement — it reflects what I would have said. El_C 14:54, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

LTA vandal

See Special:Contributions/98.237.58.40. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 04:45, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

That was fast! Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 04:47, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

/bows El_C 04:48, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

"note with regret ... the entire Jesswade88 saga"

Your closing comment used the words "note with regret all the bad blood that the entire Jesswade88 saga has brought to the fore"; implying that (a) this was unfortunate, and (b) that it is somehow over. It isn't, at least I hope it isn't. I'm no fan of bad blood either, and love to avoid it where it's possible, but in some cases - like this one - it's worth it. Jesswade88 (talk · contribs) keeps writing an article about a female academic a day, and I, for one, am quite glad of it, and hope very much she continues, and damn the torpedoes. I'm tempted to write "nevertheless, she persisted", but I gather neither of you are from my area of the planet, so wouldn't know what that means... unless I can wiki-link it... --GRuban (talk) 14:54, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I do remember the circumstances surrounding Jeff Sessions' confirmation hearings (and please, don't even ask me about William Barr), but she (Jesswade88, that is) seem undaunted — that's my impression, at least, as she is continuing with her admirable project. That she suffers minimal disruption in the course of this is a priority for many now, including your truly. I'm not sure whether it's over —I suspect that it is— but I certainly did not intend to imply so in my closing statement, which was terse for a reason. But as is the case with Wikipedia, as is the case with the human condition, I feel that much of the bad blood was unnecessary. Which is not a value judgment as to whether it was worth it. I agree that it was. But my closing statement did not comment on that one way or another, again, for a reason. I, however do think that we could have gotten the same resolution without much of it. So that's what regrettable and that's the ideal to strive toward. El_C 15:55, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Range Block Request

Hello. I would like to request a range block that covers user:67.226.221.120 and user:67.226.221.183 because they both seem to be trying to vandalize according to the filter log. CLCStudent (talk) 16:09, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry, I've never range-blocked before and don't know what it entails. El_C 16:10, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I think user:67.226.221.0/24 is the applicable range according to the range calculator. CLCStudent (talk) 16:17, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, but what do I do with that? El_C 16:19, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

It actually looks like they stopped for now. I'll find a different admin if they resume. CLCStudent (talk) 16:21, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I just don't really understand WP:RANGE, but I never really needed to. El_C 16:24, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

No worries. CLCStudent (talk) 16:26, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

174.0.125.92

user:174.0.125.92 is making threats of violence. CLCStudent (talk) 20:40, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I'll redact. Did you contact WP:EMERGENCY yet? El_C 20:43, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

No because the chances of it being real just aren't enough to warrant that. CLCStudent (talk) 20:46, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I realize that, but they do seem unstable and I'm not sure we can make that determination. El_C 20:48, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I have done so. El_C 20:51, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Western culture

Aluminum is a chemical element. Except for some elements only known to be created in a nuclear reactor, elements are not inventions, they are left over from the big bang that created the universe and were mostly "invented" in stars.

The concrete page says it was invented in the Syria area, also known as the middle east, not a western civilization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zimm82 (talk • contribs)

No need to write an entire sentence in the header. Also, please sign your username using four tiles (~~~~). You are conflating a few things. First, your addition is the new one, so the onus is actually on you to gain the consensus for it on the article talk page. Second, with regards to Mesopotamia the article was speaking aout the origin of Western culture. You are welcome to present historiograpical evidence that this is not the case, but please don't conflate it with Western culture proper. Thirdly, in regards to concrete and aluminum, you have a point and I am willing to concede on that front. But the place to discuss all of this is on the article talk page. I am open to compromise, but you have to work with me. El_C 01:11, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Tenali

Accidentally content was removed, was editing from mobile. Shocked to see +29000 bytes were removed. I was adding a ref to a section. Thanks for quick restore.--Vin09 (talk) 17:08, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

No worries. Happy editing! El_C 17:09, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Arab-Israeli Arbitration Enforcement

Hi, I noticed that you added the Arab-Israeli Arbitration Enforcement template to Antisemitism in the UK Labour Party. I understand that the Jeremy Corbyn article should also be ARBPIA extended confirmed given it's content even though this has recently been reduced after this RfC. RevertBob (talk) 03:43, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

No it shouldn't. We don't add articles to ECP if we don't have to. The goal of Wikipedia is to have as little protection as possible. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 03:56, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm not familiar enough with the editing history of either article, but in the case of the former, another admin has already ARBPIA extended confirmed it (2018). El_C 03:58, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

List of world number one snooker players

Hi El C, I hope you don't mind me raising this issue here but I want to query something. For the last week or so there has been some very low level disruption at List of world number one snooker players, where an IP editors corrupts a table and immediately reverts. This occurs once per day and the edit is always the same. At first it looks like a test edit, but that is clearly not the case given the repetitive nature of the edit. It's not quite vandalism either because the edit is immediately reverted by the same editor.

I requested temporary page protection but you decline the request on the basis that there wasn't enough recent disruption. I am not challenging your decision because I do understand how you came to that conclusion. The disruption was only minor and was reverted almost immediately.

However, I am increasingly puzzled by the nature of these edits. They don't really cause a problem to the article because they are reverted immediately and only occur once a day, but am I alone in finding the behavior problematic? What I really want to know I suppose is your rationale for what constitutes "not enough disruption". Does the disruption have to occur more frequently, or be more permament in its nature to be considered a problem? Or if this had had been going on for a month would you have semi-protected the article then?

Should I just ignore this or should I come back to you in a week or so if it continues? I am just trying to get a handle on the best way to deal with it. Best regards. Betty Logan (talk) 04:33, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

No, you should question me because on closer look, I was wrong. Corrected (semi for one month) with apologies. El_C 04:37, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Julius Evola dispute

Hi El C. I noticed that, following my report, you removed Merelli's in-text attribution, which should be included according to the rules:

When taking information from opinion content, the identity of the author may help determine reliability. The opinions of specialists and recognized experts are more likely to be reliable and to reflect a significant viewpoint. If the statement is not authoritative, attribute the opinion to the author in the text of the article and do not represent it as fact.

Why did you remove the in-text attribution? Or was this a mistake? 160.39.234.40 (talk) 15:14, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

If. I reverted to the other version because the RfC clearly determined that the statement is authoritative. Also, the author is not an editor in that context — which you seem to deny saying, for some inexplicable reason, even though your version clearly states: "According to Quartz editor Annalisa Merelli." And please don't use terms like "lie" as it implies bad faith. Use "false," instead. Sorry, but as mentioned, it seems increasingly tendentious to me, which isn't good. El_C 16:48, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Also, the author is not an editor in that context — which you seem to deny saying, for some inexplicable reason, even though your version clearly states: "According to Quartz editor Annalisa Merelli." I made a mistake. If you read the diff you linked to, you'll see I didn't deny calling Merelli an editor, but merely asked where I had done so, in case I made a mistake (and I did). You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

the RfC clearly determined that the statement is authoritative Where did it "determine" that? The basic fact of the matter is that Merelli is not a specialist or recognized expert on Evola. This doesn't mean her views shouldn't be incorporated in the article, but merely that they should be attributed to her in-text. Why do you find this so objectionable?

160.39.235.225 (talk) 22:34, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't find it objectionable, in fact, I have no strong opinion about whether there should be in-text attribution, but I did find your mistake problematic. El_C 23:17, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Sderot

It seems the reason Sderot was unprotected was because of the deletion/restoration as a history merge by another admin. When you delete and restore a page, it loses protection. It was presumably a simple oversight to forget to restore the protection. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 12:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I see. That makes sense. El_C 17:18, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

I was just coming here to explain it because I saw your post on the log. The same thing happened to me recently where I was cleaning up an article and the protection was lost. Enigma^msg 15:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Reverted USD page edit

I modified the page for United stars currency and added a common name for the $100 bill minted after 2013, blue-face. It’s called by that name because of the blue security strip that goes down the front of the bill. I saw that you reverted my change, so I made an account to see if there’s a way we could still incorporate that name in to the page. Vexanxd (talk) 19:04, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

I removed it because it seemed like original research. Do you have a reliable source you can provide? El_C 19:07, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

I suppose I thought it was more common than it really is. I’ll work on getting some sources and get back to you. Vexanxd (talk) 19:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thanks. El_C 19:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

After a good amount of research I’ve concluded that it must be a local slang term where I live. Thanks for keeping Wikipedia legitimate :) Vexanxd (talk) 19:41, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Fer sure. Thanks for looking into it. El_C 19:42, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Adding an infobox to an article is NOT vandalism.

Please stop undoing my edits to Cold War II. An infobox is needed for this article. Nothing controversial or disputed is included in the infobox therefore it's NOT vandalism. 207.233.45.12 (talk) 19:33, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

I didn't say it was vandalism — I said it was original research. El_C 19:34, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Objection to premature close at ANI

I object to your close of the SNC-Lavalin Affair at ANI. Granted, the discussion as a whole was about due, but the proposal that might have resolved the matter was open only three days, and still active. Please consider reopening that section for at least another 48 hours, as there is a chance of resolution. Otherwise there is no resolution, just reinforcement of a widely shared sense that WP is unable to deal with disruptive behavior. ♦ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 21:42, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Objection noted, but it was not premature. No, we're taking a break from this on ANI. You've tried to resolve it for a month there, with no success, that's long enough. Adding more subsections to it did not prove helpful. For that subsection, three days is long enough to see whether outside users are interested in voicing their opinion on the proposed resolution. I don't see another 48 hours making a difference in this regard. Sorry. El_C 21:47, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

ANI

Just a note that Jerzy has deleted your comment at ANI (and changed some of my stuff, but it's fine). Isa (talk) 09:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Seems to be a pattern. It doesn't seem like our concerns are sinking in, however. El_C 09:49, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Please reblock

For this. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 16:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that's troubling, but I decided to ec-protect the page, instead. El_C 16:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

That works. Hope it was long term. The issues re BLP and notability are too complicated for noobs anyway. John from Idegon (talk) 20:15, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I have tried to remove Len Small from the article since I have given a source saying he was acquitted and not convicted of any crime. So why has it been reverted and the page locked. John says I need consensus, but since I am literally showing you that he never went to jail, why is consensus needed? HeggyTy (talk) 08:33, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Because consensus is how Wikipedia works — and there does not appear to be consensus to exclude those pardoned. I suggest you try to gather this consensus on the article talk page. El_C 17:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

The AN against me

El C, thank you for your statements on my behalf at the WP:AN#Continuous disruptive editing/sockpuppeting by users Bilcat and Trekphiler. Unfortunately, now that Andy Dingley is involved in the discussions, there is no way that I can participate. (He and I have a long "history", and it isn't a pleasant one.) I have been discussing the IPs edits with another admin, but unfortunately he appears to be offline, and may be so for several days. If you're open to it, I can email you with more information on the IP if you're interested. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 17:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Go for it. But I don't know when I'll get a chance to respond. El_C 17:39, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. - BilCat (talk) 17:44, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Email sent. Thanks again. - BilCat (talk) 19:04, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

• It looks like this dynamic IP was probably User talk:DbivansMCMLXXXVI. See User talk:2600:100A:B01C:2427:186F:B1D0:2426:6261. I have interacted witj the user before, and from looking at the contributions, there are definitely similarities in article interest and editing style. I've dropped a note about it the AN discussion on the blocking admins page. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 10:11, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Trying to get a consensus in a discussion

I have a few questions:
1) Since I am trying to get outside opinions on a talk page discussion on Talk:Sino-Vietnamese conflicts, 1979–1991 per WP:Consensus, how many people do I need to invite to join the discussion?
2) I'm still not sure how a consensus is reached. Do we just do a vote among the editors after discussing? DemPon (talk) 19:47, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

There's not a set number of people necessary to arrive at consensus, but at the very least, a third opinion would be helpful. No, consensus is not reached with a vote but rather through discussion where participants try to persuade one another and often compromise. El_C 23:17, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

You can also hold a Request for comment, where editors can note their preferences (again, not a vote). There's also other avenues of dispute resolution. El_C 23:20, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Sino-Vietnamese conflicts, 1979–1991

Did you note he is editing war by himself with IP and account,as he always do before.And he never change his sin,keep using several IP accounts as his sock,Just like 67.188.179.66.--115.82.9.114 (talk) 12:48, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

No, I did not note that. Do you have any evidence that someone reliable on the English Wikipedia could verify? El_C 17:42, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

User_talk:Bbb23#Submit_some_information_about_socks. --61.224.12.136 (talk) 15:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

No need to fill my talk page with text. I see you are also editing as 175.96.65.160. What is going here? Briefly. El_C 23:30, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Remind you that there is a madman who likes to fight with yourself. And it is not clear whether this madman is splitting with a bunch of accounts and IP to fight against himself. In addition, he has edited records on many wiki projects, among multiple socks.I don’t know how many socks he has because he has been acting and using proxy IP.We can only catch him from the point he insisted on or the evidence he deliberately left.--61.224.12.136 (talk) 23:39, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

You don't need to start a new section every time. This conversation is still happening. You didn't respond to my question. Another question: are you an admin in another-language Wikipedia? Why do you not register an account here instead of using multiple IPs? You're just making things needlessly complicated. El_C 23:44, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

That guy is the most complicated, using multiple accounts and IP in multiple wiki projects.I don't want to answer who I am, but I can be classified as someone who hates China's use of various means to control the media.(include wiki).Just because he is complicated and difficult to handle, I don’t want to use a formal way to execute him.But if you feel that letting him go through all kinds of wiki projects is reassuring, you can let him go.--61.224.12.136 (talk) 23:54, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

You are not giving me enough to work with. I assume good faith until I have a reason not to. El_C 23:58, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

1.43.153.248. Remember this IP first.I will find out because he is acting on the Vietnamese wiki and English wiki. I think you are confused why I will leave a message on your page. Nothing, but I think he is very funny and fights with himself. I am afraid that you think there are two people over there, so I specifically tell you that there is only one person there, and that he is talking to himself. Especially after he took some time to talk to you about page protection.

I actually only want to leave a message to Bbb23, plus someone has already talked about this, so I copy the message in Bbb23 to you. This is the beginning and the end of this talk. Everything I have here is just a continuation of the message to Bbb23.Because I found that I was wasting your time, so I paused or ended here.My talk with you was only based on what I thought was funny, you were involved in his own fight with himself.

• PS:If you are really interested in this topic, I suggest you visit a different wiki project and look for the target from the editing history of all his socks.This actually takes a lot of time, so it may be faster to visit him directly by his globally locked accounts.--61.224.12.136 (talk) 00:59, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

• Can you link to these, instead? El_C 01:09, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
• If you think the information on Bbb23's talk page is not enough, I can try. As I said, it takes time, a lot of time. He used to report his socks to prove that he is not a sock. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/UserDe .
• The most common commonality is the abuse of sandboxes, and the content is basically copied. The most classic is that he himself reports himself. Other common points like edited content will be repeated over and over again.

I think that except for he himself reports himself, those statements I have talked about on the talk page of Bbb23.

• Other globally locked accounts.
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Bfr(566)
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Brewstang
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Chuamp
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Dali0Lama (Note:He can use chinese.)
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/FemiMazi
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Gomenasa
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Iserfs
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/MaxPprem2 (It can be noted that the account name is very similar to the account he reported, in fact, the editing content is also consistent.)
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Pipcai
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Sennti
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Widgetsz89 [

--61.224.12.136 (talk) 01:48, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Let's see what the CU investigation turns up, then. El_C 01:52, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Closing discussion on Talk page

Hi El C, the Split discussion which opened on April 30 and tag placed on article page Burning Sun scandal may be ready for a consensus. Do you mind looking at it, I am an involved editor and think I am not supposed to close? (looks like Meloras, Tibbydibby and myself oppose and NowIsntItTime (unclear). Thank you.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 02:14, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

I'd say that it's pretty obvious there's no consensus to split at this time. I'll remove the tag with a note. El_C 02:25, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

History of rape

Sir Ramayana is real history of India DR. AMIT KUMAR SAXENA (talk) 10:14, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

You are free to create a section like any other region of the world has. But that addition does not belong on the lead. El_C 17:54, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

OK sir. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AMIT KUMAR SAXENA (talk • contribs)

Sorry, but your addition is subpar. I had to fix a lot of grammar issues that should have been proofread. It also is far too brief, making terse legal claims and then simply moving on to mythology. All in two sentences. That's just not up to par with the other existing sections. El_C 14:54, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Rev-dels

Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Edit Tag on Gaza Strip

Sorry. I thought it was an error that it kept changing. I apologize for the inconvenience. I just don't think the article is accurate and is misinformation. Gotmax (talk) 23:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Again, no worries. As I mentioned, you are free to continue the conversation notwithstanding the tag having been responded to. El_C 23:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

GretLomborg

Sorry for over-reacting last night. Thanks for not responding equally. WP:ANI#Compromised account - GretLomborg ? Andy Dingley (talk) 09:40, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Sure thing. El_C 16:38, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Inquisition

I am a new user to Wikipedia so I don't know a lot about the proper protocols. I wrote something on Talk:Inquisition a while back and have heard or seen nothing. You were the last person to edit the page,and I'm not sure who to contact about this issue other than that; unless someone "owns" that page and makes the most edits.

The issue is on the article Inquisition

There is a mistranslation. Bp. Grosseteste is quoted as saying heresy is "an opinion created by human reason, founded on the Scriptures, contrary to the teachings of Christ, publicly avowed and obstinately held." The citation is to an edition of Matthew Paris's Chronicle maiorum; however, that source actually reads: "Heresias est sententia humano sensu electa, Scriptura Sacrae contraria, palam edocta, pertinaciter defensa."

The false English version (unless there is some other place that it is found; but every place that I find it cites the 1872 edition of Paris, or is circular) cited above is ubiquitous and appears in many books, etc. when searching the Internet. But it is flatly wrong on it's face.

I actually emailed a professor who's done work on Grosseteste but haven't heard anything back from him.

Wondering what to do. Plenty of "reliable sources" have the English quote but it is objectively wrong, again, unless they are citing the wrong source.

What to do?

Thanks for your patience in reading this again I am a complete n00b to Wiki and don't know how to go about diplomatically dealing with an issue like this especially considering a lot of reputable sources seem to have gotten the quote wrong too.

Regards, Pavel

PavelCristovic (talk) 20:59, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, this goes beyond my familiarity with the material. I suggest you draft a Request for comment to get the attention of other outside editors. El_C 21:07, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @PavelCristovic: From a quick look at that talk page, one problem is that your section was posted at the top of the talk page, rather than at the bottom, as you did on this talk page. Wikipedia prefers that now topics be posted at the bottom of the talk page, and that's were regular users look for new comments. This is a very common issue with new users, so it's nothing to be embarrassed about. I'll just move it to the bottom for you, and we'll see if that helps bring in some comments. (I don't know anything about the topic either.) If it doesn't, then a Request for comment can be tried. - BilCat (talk) 23:24, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I've left a very basic comment at the article's talk page on how to handle this kind of situation. That I way I don't fill up El C's talk page with comments :) - BilCat (talk) 23:56, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

thanks and update

Thanks so much for the welcome and help. I've responded to your response on the Inquisition talk page, proposed a possible solution; ought we wait for more people to respond then? PavelCristovic (talk) 08:47, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good. Sure, give it a day or two. I'm confident you will get some input. El_C 08:51, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

I realize now this was probably not addressed to me! El_C 08:56, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

It's still your advice that I built on, so no worries. :) - BilCat (talk) 10:13, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Romania

And all I got was this... Whoa!

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

And all I got was a ^^^

• Talk:And Then There Were None#RfC: And Then There Were None and racial language
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics#Request for comments on the 'political position' parameter of the political party infobox
• Talk:Romania#RfC
• Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: HispanTV
• Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Is RfX a vote, or a consensus discussion? (RfC)
• Talk:Civil Rights Act of 1968#Merger of Fair Housing Act and Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 into this article
• Talk:WikiLeaks#RFC: Murder Of Seth Rich content dispute
• Talk:Athens News#Request for comment
• Talk:SNC-Lavalin affair#RfC: LavScam
• Talk:Christchurch mosque shootings#RfC: Change "white supremacist" to "white nationalist"

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Iran

Hello El C

The statement regarding the government of Iran has been on the article for quite some time (a year if not several), now it's suddenly flooding with people randomly removing it (the one being a random user with like 10 edits, 30% of them being reverts) and not even bothering to write a message on the talk page. How does that work exactly? Imho it should be restored back to status quo, since no consensus has been reached. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:43, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Maybe launch a Request for comment for some more outside input, where you can make that very argument. El_C 16:22, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

So basically I have to clean up for others who just remove sourced stuff (disruptive editing) and don't even disuss about it? And their disruptive revision ends up staying? I'm good. I'm not an expert on Wikipedia rules but I do know as long there has been no consensus the original revision should stay. Someone can't just spam the revert button to have their way. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:51, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

It's not disruptive editing, it's a content dispute. And I'm not allowed to pick sides in it, even when I want to. Yes, the status quo ante may likely weather this in the end, but the version that ends up being protected during a content dispute's edit war is ultimately random. El_C 17:00, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

SashiRolls AE

I think you may have missed something regarding the answer to your question: "the article under contention, who started editing it first?". Can I discuss this with you here? Kolya Butternut (talk) 02:20, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Go for it. But easy on the TLDR, please. El_C 02:32, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

I only have a moment so I will have to keep it short anyway. User:SashiRolls edited the article under contention after a discussion relating to the Séralini affair at Talk:Glyphosate with User:Kingofaces43 and User:Tryptofish. It wasn't as though Tryptofish randomly followed SashiRolls to WP:Séralini affair, if that was the implication. Kolya Butternut (talk) 02:49, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

That was not the implication. I was just trying to find out who gets to edit the article under the IBAN. It turns out it is Tryptofish who does. El_C 03:13, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

IBAN

I don't know if the ping worked, but sometime when you have a chance please take a moment to reply to the request for clarification on my page. Best, ~~ SashiRolls ^{t · c} 02:54, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Copy that. El_C 03:13, 20 May 2019 (UTC)