User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights/Archive 10

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New User[edit]

Hey TBotNL,

I am Leo and as obvious from the subject, I'm new on the site. Although I've worked on some wikis before this (WikiAnswers, WikiHow) their editing, reference, communication systems were totally different as compared to those of Wikipedia. I'd be very grateful if you'd be kind enough to show me the strings and analyze my first article. On WikiAnswers, the website is managed by volunteer members called Supervisors (part of a very simple hierarchized system). Is there any such group on Wikipedia?

Please respond on my talkpage.

Leo Pacificus (talk) 22:17, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Jess Hall Band Redirect[edit]

Hi Blade, Cheers for deleting that redirect i had setup! Had completely forgotten about it! --Tacita620 (talk) 07:31, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

PC Software, etc[edit]

Hi Blade, just directing your attention to this section of the current discussion of PC. It seems likely that the devs cannot have PC ready to go on the schedule we originally set, and I'd like to see what you, THO, DQ, and James Forrester think about possible ways to work with that restriction. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:27, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

That RFA[edit]

I was going to support til I saw he's a Dallas fan, UGH! Do I still have to? PumpkinSky talk 22:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Not loving America's Team is, well, unAmerican. I was raised in Texas so it is natural, but don't understand how someone could not love the best franchise in the league. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 22:41, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
I voted/!voted as you did PumpkinSky talk 23:21, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
    • On a more serious note, you have to admit, you never know what kind of question I'm going to ask. At least one of my previous RFA questions was a bit controversial, although I thought it was spot on and challenging. I was expecting a longer reply here, but what impressed me most was his ability to break away from the mold I created and be independent enough to choose his own choice favorite. It would have been easy to just agree with one of the choices I gave him. Independence is a big deal in an admin and the most important trait in my opinion, as that means they are less likely to fall victim to group think. Everything else can be learned. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 23:24, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
      • What ? was controversial and why? PumpkinSky talk 23:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
        • Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Hahc21, Q7. Some thought it was a trick question, but in reality it was a very good question to test how "knee jerk" the candidate was, which was my (well founded) concern. A few used it as a basis to oppose and the RfA failed. I actually asked a harder question at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/De728631 and he handled it like a freaking pro, as well as the whole RfA, proving he was ready. I have seen that question copied in a couple of other RfAs, using different BLP subjects, which I take as flattery :) Dennis Brown - © Join WER 23:33, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
          I generally like your questions, as they're very insightful. The one at Hahc21's was great. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
          • Excellent questions. I saw the trademark one when the RFA was running and also thought his answer was great. I don't have to worry about your tricky questions because I'd get creamed at an RFA. PumpkinSky talk 23:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
            • Thank you, Blade. What I liked about De728631's question and answer was that it was in reality quite complicated and he was wise enough to say "I don't know", meaning he was willing to ask someone more experienced. Knowing our limits is an important part of being an admin. I like questions that aren't simple, cut and dry, and force them to think "shit, I've never thought of that before" and go read up and figure out how to apply policy. As you know, we 'mins are always having to go and read policies to make sure we are getting the nuances in a given situation. The real test is never the black and white issues, but is always a question of "how do you react in the grey areas?". That tells me how they think, not just what they think. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 23:47, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
              • I'm waiting for the right admin (probably someone who's interested in contentious topics, like Rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid when he ran) to ask a question about how they'd handle something at AE; I'd be interested to see how that turns out. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Reaction and thinking are certainly key factors. AE questions? That's cruel and unusual punishment ;-) PumpkinSky talk 23:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Believe me, there's no way I'd begrudge someone who didn't want to answer it. Not sure if I would have if someone asked me at my RfA, but now I feel like I'm waging a one-man war over there to keep things under control; one never knows where they'll end up. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:56, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


I submit Kayastha to your tender mercies ;) - Sitush (talk) 18:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

My eyes almost bled... ouch! I'll get it when my connection clears up. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 21:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Again. - Sitush (talk) 04:44, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

2012_Assam_violence edits![edit]

Hi I want to notify that even after warning and displenary action notice some editors without talking in talk page have been editing out texts changing the meaning and content and bringing imbalance to the post eg. link by editor Zencv, thanks againShrikanthv (talk) 09:41, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

My ban[edit]

Hi there, you invited me to request clarification on the extent of my ban on Prem Rawat related articles. I am not reapplying for topic editing rights, but am I prohibited from discussing the situation here? Rumiton (talk) 09:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

As of now, you are; if you'd like to appeal that, I'd be fine with it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:36, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
The situation that I could see no way of dealing with is still going on, and unless I can find an effective way of dealing with it there is no point in my reapplying for editing rights. How about I appeal now for permission to discuss the situation here or on my Talkpage(and nowhere else)? Rumiton (talk) 01:38, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that's fine. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
OK. Thanks. One of the underlying problems I see is that the editors are unbendingly opposed to each other. You did say you would look out for "further outbursts" from user:PatW but his contributions are more of a chronic, indignant and self-pitying rejection of all other points of view. Here is one: What YOU think is 'right' is to remove any negative tone (implied from the original sources) and to replace it with you and your Rawat supporter friends preferred re-write. This is all ugly, inexorable revisionism in my opinion. The repeated mentioning of Rawat's divinity claims is TOTALLY justified by contemporary sources , as are probably all the other 'imbalances' you seek to 'correct'. I don't care if this sounds like I don't have faith in your intentions. I think your mission here is contrary to the spirit of Wikipedia. And your self-confidence that you are 'making things right' is thinly disguised mocking of people who have frankly tired of resisting your highly biased editing spree. Do as you like. I'm just hoping someone, somewhere will take a look at your dodgy history here and put a stop to this retrograde behaviour.PatW (talk) 22:00, 18 August 2012 (UTC) I don't know how to deal with this stuff, which I find wrong and personally offensive. When I replied to the points he raised, I was accused of "escalating" the problem. When I ignored them, I was banned for "not listening." What do you think? Are these posts collegial? Do they assume good faith? Are they likely to create an atmosphere that will allow negotiation and lead to an improvement in the article? Rumiton (talk) 10:12, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
I'll leave a message for PatW; I may e-mail him, so if you don't see anything on-wiki you can assume I've done that. I'll also take a look at Talk:Prem Rawat and see what's going on there; my time over the last several days has been diverted to 2012 Assam violence, so another look at the goings-on at Prem Rawat would do some good. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:23, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I will watch the talkpage for a week or so and if the tedious soapboxing eases up I might reapply for editing rights. Rumiton (talk) 01:45, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Just looked at 2012 Assam violence. It's impressive sometimes what a good copyedit can do in easing an article towards neutrality. CE is invited on the article header, but the talkpage requires all intended edits to be discussed prior, which makes copyediting very difficult. How do you interpret this? Rumiton (talk) 02:02, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Copyediting and the like are fine to do without discussion; that's more aimed at people trying to insert claims in articles. Anything making that article more intelligible is a good thing, so no one would get into any kind of problem copyediting. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:16, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
It seems that everything has not changed at Prem Rawat. This just in. I suggest you stop wasting your time Momento. When the community eventually wakes up to your heavily biased single-purpose editing this article will be most likely be reverted to it's former state (which a number of people agreed was quite stable). Quite rightly nobody seems to have the stomach to engage your taunts, endless straw-man arguments and thinly-guised revisionism any longer. Having myself wasted hours trying to make you see sense over the years (to absolutely no avail) I can see why. I guess your making up for lost time after your years ban. How pathetic.PatW (talk) 09:24, 1 September 2012 (UTC). Rumiton (talk) 13:10, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
I'll have a look at both of them; obviously that's a really bad comment from PatW, but my experience in these sorts of topic areas is that there's sometimes something behind the invective that needs looking at (not an excuse, but at least it can be explanatory). It's going to take some time, but I will handle it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:34, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, when you get to it. Rumiton (talk) 00:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Actually, just looking again today, I wonder if you might see fit to slide it a bit further up your To Do list? There seems to be a high level of not-getting-it going on.

Please refrain from all those personal attacks. Good editors have been banned for less. We should try and remain on (or reach, to begin with) a strictly argumentative level. "Stability" is not really an argument, and it is instructive to read WP:Consensus.--Rainer P. (talk) 12:29, 1 September 2012 (UTC) Rainer is German, a language I also happen to speak. He meant polemical, rather than argumentative.

For goodness sake we've been reading all those WP guidelines for YEARS! We all well versed in that! Does it do the slightest good? No! Stuff all this preaching about "personal attacks". It just sounds like Jossi again - totally 'passive' aggressive and threatening but couched as carefully as possible in calculatedly correct but twisted Wikispeak. As if Momento is interested in any 'Consensus' whatsoever with anyone other than you!! Do you think his last rash of Prem Rawat revisionism was done with 'consensus'?? NO WAY! Also if you call Momento's endless blustering and POV pushing anything approaching 'argumentative' then you're wrong. He NEVER sensibly engages argument, he just set's up straw men and goes ahead and just does what the **** he pleases. PatW (talk) 18:59, 1 September 2012 (UTC) Rumiton (talk) 01:30, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah... I think I know what I want to do, but I'd rather do it at the beginning of an editing session than the end, as I'm about 100% sure it's going to cause sparks to fly. I'll handle it the next time I log on, which won't be too long. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:04, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
More of the same. [1] Rumiton (talk) 01:19, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Blade, I feel you may be getting unduly influenced by one side in this dispute. At first sight the wailing and teeth gnashing of PatW and Surdas can seem convincing, but the Talk Page history tells a different story. You wouldn't know it from the article, but Prem Rawat has a huge current international following. Bi-annually, he addresses international events in Asia with up to 600,000 people attending, introduced by an Indian deputy prime minister and other government officials. These events have been well covered in the local media, but when I have tried to include them in the article the objections have been inventive and colorful. The (Malaysian) media source is owned by a non-democratic government so we can't use it. The coverage is so positive that it "sounds like a press release." This photo shows a huge crowd but you can't make out the features of Prem Rawat addressing it. This other photo shows him onstage, but he might have been employed there just to test the sound gear (really, someone said this.) The article is in Hindi (or Italian, in one case) and we can't be sure of the translation. The video report of a public address is no longer hosted by the original TV channel and is now only available on YouTube, which is not a reliable source. Other things that WERE included, such as the success of his prisoner rehabilitation program, were only permitted following weeks of negotiation, after every possible objection had been raised and defeated.
I would also add that the reason these two are continuing their personal denigrations with such confidence is that previous admins (notably banned user:WillBeback), while claiming neutrality, have actually sided with their POV and let them off with the mildest of warnings. Might we now break this destructive cycle? Rumiton (talk) 02:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
On a cheerier note, 2012 Assam violence seems to have come off the boil and the Indian Government ministers seem to have stopped trying to start a nuclear war as well. A little time sometimes does good things. Rumiton (talk) 03:54, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it's nice to see that; nevertheless, I've had to ban one editor from that article for a while for nearly doing permanent damage to my eyes with the reams of text he posted. Anyways, as I said below to Momento the reason I'd rather an AE be opened is so other admins can also have a look at it and come up with the best solution. I'm technically able to do it under standard discretionary sanctions, but this seems too complex for one person to handle in a way that won't cause all kinds of drama. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
I looked at that post and just applied TLDR. It may have been, as you suggest, a bit of a ploy to swamp the discussion. Rumiton (talk) 14:23, 4 September 2012 (UTC) I agree that the Prem Rawat article is unusually complex. Any admin trying to help would need to spend quite a few hours looking at the article's history and discussing it with editors. The battleground mentality that exists at the moment was created largely by visiting editors who thought they could figure out who the bad guys were in five minutes. Rumiton (talk) 14:54, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
If Prem Rawat has to go to AE before a better editing environment can come about, then I feel the need to take part in the discussion. Can I return to editing? (Obviously I will be a paragon of all the civility virtues.) Rumiton (talk) 09:56, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I would be fine with that, yes. You can consider your restriction lifted. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:14, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Topic ban[edit]

Do you feel that Talknic has violated his topic ban again by this? It looks to me like it's showing a mentality that he's not giving up from the topic itself, but maybe it doesn't violate it.

Thanks. --Activism1234 14:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not going to block over it this time, but yes it's a violation. I'll leave him a warning. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:32, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Ok thanks. --Activism1234 20:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
NUDGE! ... The Blade of the Northern Lights - Uh? The current topic ban mentions nothing about "all namespaces". The topic ban from "all namespaces" expired 6 June 2012. In full here talknic (talk) 05:06, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Awaiting clarification of the above, in full here talknic (talk) 03:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

The Blade of the Northern Lights -- Have this appeal template as you suggested[2] Call me a dummy, but I'm kinda confused as to where it should be lodged. Can you tell me please which is "the appropriate forum". Thx ... talknic (talk) 13:44, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


what do you want to tell me ? . פארוק (talk) 20:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) He means that you cannot write anything about Israel, Palestine, the political dispute between them, or anything even vaguely related to that, anywhere on Wikipedia, including both articles, talk pages, etc. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


Yes, you have. - Sitush (talk) 23:47, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I want to create an article[edit]

Hey Mate,

Hope you are in good health, I want to create an article, but I guess it was deleted before, page showed "please first contact the deleting administrator using the information provided below." So I got your link below.

This is the page I want to create & you deleted it before "" I want to create this article again with unique content along with the strong references. Please help me, & let me know what should I do?

Looking forward to hear you soonest,

Best Regards, Carrol82 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carrol82 (talkcontribs) 19:59, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


Hi. You had recently blocked User:اردیبهشت for editwarring and removing scholarly sources. Well, he is back at it once again, removing a reference to the Encyclopaedia Iranica and technically violating 3RR. I have reported him on WP:ANI. --Lysozym (talk) 21:32, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

This individual did not notify me about her report, nor does she have any grounds for such a complaint when her edit history at Hazara people is indicitive of her disruptive editing. I had initially made a complaint about that, and he/she is evidently seeking to retaliate out of emotion and for no other reason. Quite Sad. اردیبهشت (talk) 21:40, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
This edit is a violation of WP:STALK and WP:POINT. Maybe he can explain to us why he reverts back to a version that is a direct violation of copy rights and draws heavily on obviously falsified content. Maybe he should have read the talkpage first. --Lysozym (talk) 21:42, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Once again, please stick to your own issue at hand. Also, im afraid that stalking is characteristic of your attidue and has been initiated long before by you, so please do not play a victim here.[3][4] اردیبهشت (talk) 22:00, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker). Now that an AN/I has been opened, continuing the feud here won't help and it's not the place for it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:43, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Badaun Edits[edit]

Thanks for response and feedback! I edit Badaun to make it more informative. The link to rathore on wikipedia is As for Sot river, I was looking to create a page on it, as its quite a impt river for people living in the region. Please suggest.

Two more points:

The assam page, seemed to really not an academic account please check

Also like to point out... the article on Mahendra Singh Tikait has been cut down a lot, even after references, please have a look ... found out when i accidently reached his page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravindr (talkcontribs) 12:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


Hi Blade, if you're online now, I need a quick answer: does the use of PyWikipedia require bot authorisation? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:22, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so, but I'm not 100% sure. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:28, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:48, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
FYI. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:53, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

About Arduino Cantafora[edit]

Hi fellow user. Please excuse me that I forgot to add references at Arduino Cantafora. I have already done so, could you please remove the template? Thank you! Regards from Montevideo, --Fadesga (talk) 19:39, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

An invitation for you![edit]

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Hello, The Blade of the Northern Lights. We are in the early stages of initiating a project to plan, gain consensus on, and coordinate adding a feature to the main page wherein an article will be listed daily for collaborative improvement. If you're interested in participating, please add your name to the list of members.

 Happy editing! AutomaticStrikeout 20:41, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


Hi, I'd once again ask you to take a quick look at the dispute over at Talk:16:10. User:Urklistre (whom you already warned about violating WP:BRD) has once again resorted to simply reverting the article back to his preferred version without giving any explanation in edit summaries or on the talk page. First revert, second revert (with the terse note "Do not edit page during dispute", after repeatedly encouraging me to just edit the article where I thought it needed improvement). In general, his tendentious editing and reluctance to work towards a consensus seem to me like clear signs of a disruptive editor. Your advice or intervention would be appreciated. Thanks! Indrek (talk) 23:54, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Add to the above signs ownership of the article - "just dont undo my changes and we will be fine" [5]. Indrek (talk) 09:00, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Violating topic ban again[edit]

Talknic has once again violated his topic ban. See here.

I understand he had a question regarding "namespaces," but considering that you had already warned him that he can't make these types of edits, it seems a violation to me to ignore this and just still continue making these edits.

Thanks. --Activism1234 04:41, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

"all namespaces" was not included in the current topic ban. The topic ban specific to "all Namespaces" expired 26 June 2012. To that end I have been seeking specific clarification [6] [7] and alas, being completely ignored //"Editors are expected to be reasonably cooperative, to refrain from making personal attacks, to work within the scope of policies, and to be responsive to good-faith questions"// talknic (talk) 06:19, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Talknic, you've been warned by Blade before about a similar edit on your talkpage, and yet continued with making this edit, solely because you think that you are right. You felt you were right, and wrote that, but nowhere were you given a response that you were right. You continued on thinking you were right, despite an admin warning, and made a similar edit. This is an issue. If not, I trust Blade, a respectable admin, to decide that, and to do whatever is necessary here. --Activism1234 06:22, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Activism -- The exact wording of the topic bans are specific and quite clear. If The Blade of the Northern Lights now wishes to change the specific wording of the current topic ban, I dare say there is some avenue for doing so talknic (talk) 06:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
You shouldn't assume there's any wording to change though... Good night, I'll let Blade respond further as he/she sees appropriate... --Activism1234 07:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
OK, as it's about 3 in the morning here and I'm editing an article on the one book that still rends my heartstrings, I'll get to this now so I can end on a good note. Talknic, the ban imposed by me would include all namespaces, including your user talkpage. As I really don't have the heart for it right now, I'm not going to block you now, but I hope this is completely, unambiguously clear. And as a quick aside, feel free to take a gander at the article I'm editing; I find it therapeutic, and perhaps you will as well. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 07:07, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
The Blade of the Northern Lights -- "the ban imposed by me would include all namespaces," "would" if that's what it actually said? There are numerous instances of T Bans on other editors, with and without specific mention of "all Namspaces". Surely there's an administrative standard on such a key issue? talknic (talk) 07:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I suppose it's my fault for not being more explicit to begin with. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
The Blade of the Northern Lights -- For the sake of clarity and head aches for all, I suggest an administrative standard be set for the inclusion of "all namespaces" where applicable and; am I bound to an admittedly inexplicit instruction or shall I self administer the additional clause? :-) talknic (talk) 17:27, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Pardon the late response; the sanction I gave you was intended to include all namespaces, so I suppose you'd be bound to it. If you can hold to it, I'd be more than happy to consider an appeal. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 21:18, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
The Blade of the Northern Lights -- OK. No hurry. Have this appeal template as you suggested[8] Call me a dummy, but I'm kinda confused as to where it should be lodged. Can you tell me please which is "the appropriate forum". Thx ... talknic (talk) 02:56, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Since it was an AE action, you'd put it at the bottom of WP:AE; hopefully that clarifies things. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:02, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Thx ... talknic (talk) 04:56, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
You may search sources in Google scholar here is one that I found [9] --Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 07:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for your support in my RfA in spite of my ambivalence towards the Cowboys. For what it's worth, the greatest Packer of all-time is John Jefferson.—Bagumba (talk) 00:09, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

User violating indefinite ban[edit]

Hi Blade,

Sorry to disturb you, but I thought I best let you know that פארוק (talk · contribs) (Farouk) appears to be violating the indefinite ban per ARBPIA which you placed on him. He has engaged in an AfD discussion for an Israeli article. I left a notice for the closing admin to make them aware of the ban imposed. However, Farouk has responded to the notice with an anti-Semitism remark which appears to be directed at myself. Thought I best let you know as I don't know where I would need to report this for investigation. Regards, Wesley Mouse 17:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

(tps) This article have nothing to do with the conflict is just neighborhood in Jerusalem--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 17:33, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Ahh right thank you for clearing that up, I wasn't too sure hence why I left a notice so the closing admin at the AfD could investigate it for themselves. I didn't expect to an anti-Semitism response back from the user in question though; that alone was uncalled for. Wesley Mouse 17:37, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The remark is wrong of course but this WP:CIVIL matter.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 17:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the response was definitely uncalled for, but the article is just about Israel, not specifically about the Arab-Israeli conflict. That said, if Farouk makes another comment like that it'll quickly lead to sanctions. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Kumar Vishwas talk page problems[edit]

Please can you peruse the recent history at Talk:Kumar Vishwas. You semi-protected the article recently due to fanboy activity. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 07:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

ANI notification[edit]

I mentioned your name here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Legal_threat_at_Talk:Cold_fusion.3F. IRWolfie- (talk) 11:56, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

FYI - read your message on Goble's talk page and left a message on ANI asking an admin to add the block template to the talk page. I thought some of the screed's I've read on the financial and tax pages got weird, but his was really, really bizarre. Thank you. Ravensfire (talk) 15:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks; not sure why I can't edit the ANI thread, must be something with my phone. Hopefully I can sort it out at some point. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 15:21, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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Yes I want my old material back[edit]

Hey mate, I asked you for the creation of new article & you offered me previous(deleted) material. Yes I want that material back. It would be great for me. This was the page:

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carrol82 (talkcontribs) 23:38, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

2012 Assam violence[edit]

OK, you got me into this crap...well you didn't exactly, I followed you there, but I think you should accept some of the responsibility. In copyediting this article, I deleted a paragraph on SMS's and Tweeting which was incendiary in the circumstances, and I believe unsupported by the ref given. The paragraph began, Investigators have traced the source of hate messages to Pakistan. An editor reinstated it, and added 2 more refs, which I also found did not support the statement, if anything rather the opposite. Needless to say, this is a real life situation where people are being killed. Some help might be needed. Rumiton (talk) 13:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I've got my eye on it; I completely agree that the references they currently have don't back up such a strong statement. We'll see what happens, and I'll step in if I need to. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:53, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
User WBRSin seems now to have become a PIA at Popular Front of India. Might be worth another look, even if that page is not construed as being related to 2012 Assam violence. Rumiton (talk) 09:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Indeed; that doesn't look too promising. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:59, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism report[edit]

Hello there. I would like to bring to your attention that an IP address, (talk), has been making persistent disruptive edits and vandalism to articles within the scope of WP:SOAPS, after ignoring several warnings from me and other editors. I'm contacting you as I've seen you've blocked IPs before for such matters like this. I've undone many disruptive edits made by them now, and it's really becoming a bother. Creativity97 (TALK) 22:14, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Blocked for 31 hours; let me know if it starts back up. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:44, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! It was really starting to be a bother. And I will. Creativity97 (TALK) 23:25, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Prem Rawat[edit]

Greetings. I see you sympathise with PatW and largely agree with what he has said. That is, you sympathise and largely agree with PatW when he brazenly claims that I removed Jimbo's edit from the Lead when the diffs show that I wasn't involved [10]. And when I pointed that out to PatW, he claimed I was misrepresenting what happened. And you sympathise and largely agree with that as well.

Here are the changes I made to the Rawat lead [11] and here why I made them - Removed excessive cites as recommended by others; introduced Rawat by name at the beginning of the second para instead of "he"; reduced two mentions of "divine" to one; removed "Under his charismatic leadership, the Divine Light Mission (DLM) became the fastest growing new religious movement in the West" OR and unsourced; removed "though it was sometimes described as a cult" because removing "new religious movement" meant there was no balance to put "cult" into perspective but invited editors to find a way to put it back in with better sources; removed "with journalists noting luxury automobiles and multiple residences made available to him by his followers" because "multiple residences" is qualified in the article with "Travelling almost constantly, he was reported to have residences in London, New York, Colorado, California, India, and Australia"; removed the unsourced OR claim that he was disowned because "he married an American" when the article says she disowned him because "he married against his mother's wishes"; removed "abandoned the Indian aspects" because the article says "abandoned the religious" aspects; replaced "The Divine Light Mission was disbanded in the West in the early 1980s, succeeded by the organizations Elan Vital (1983) and The Prem Rawat Foundation (2001)" with the two sentences covering Rawat's activities in the 80s and 90s "replacing Divine Light Mission with Elan Vital. As his following increased in the 80s and 90s Rawat toured almost constantly. In 2001 he established "The Prem Rawat Foundation" to fund his work and humanitarian efforts and his message is now distributed in more than 88 countries. The TV series "Words of Peace" is transmitted via satellite and cable in six continents"; removed "Prem Rawat has been criticized for a lack of intellectual content in his public discourses" because it is completely absurd that of all the material in the article about Rawat speaking, touring and teaching this OR sentence should be the sole opinion on his speaking, touring and teaching.

And whilst doing this I have asked editors for constructive comments about the content of my proposals and have been met with silence or abuse. I've been threatened and harassed by WillBeback for years before ArbCom finally woke up to him. Your suggestion that PatW starts an AE on me will be a walk in the park.Momento (talk) 11:51, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Look, the whole idea is to prevent that from happening; I don't want to unilaterally do anything here to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. Besides, I think I made it pretty clear to PatW that tact is a virtue he needs to acquire; the only reason I didn't do anything upon the latest talkpage comment is that I felt a personalized note from an admin would perhaps elicit some change. We'll see what happens; I'm treading very carefully to avoid making any overly rash decisions. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:32, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
PatW been warned a dozen times and twice by you. And Surdas has been warned by Rainer. You didn't give Rumiton a third chance. And I didn't get a note from you before you suggested an AE.Momento (talk) 04:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
I hope Blade of the Norther Lights will keep an eye on this article. I'm moving on since I have no desire to deal with the kinds of attacks I see and have felt dealing with that article. Life is way too short . I am an editor with experience on contentious articles and hoped I could both prevent a lynching which was what I saw happening, and also help add content to an article whose lead was insufficiently and in a non neutral way summarizing the article, in my opinion. However attacks especially indiscriminate ones are not something I want to deal with.That article needs uninvolved editors but as long as those editors are attacked there's not much hope that the problems that have plagued that article and talk page for years will ever be resolved.(olive (talk) 13:53, 8 September 2012 (UTC))
This is when I really like being an administrator; I always have the nuclear option in my back pocket if I need it. We've recently done it for articles on the Troubles, and I don't think we're at that point with Prem Rawat yet, but it's there if it does come to that. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:23, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
PatW today. Really?? I thought he was ridiculed for both he and his followers claims that he was 'The Lord of The Universe' etc. I'd like to see any reference (not written by followers such as Geaves) which support your frankly untrue version which is shot through with weasel words like 'apparently' . Is 'NPOV' supposed to mean that we kowtow to the embarrassment and denial current followers (and Rawat himself) exhibit about his former proclamations of Divinity and being ridiculously opulent as a result of the success of that perception? PatW (talk) 09:07, 10 September 2012 (UTC) Is there such a thing as a nuclear lynching option? That would get my vote right now. I honestly don't see any chance for a talk page improvement with this editor's continued participation. Rumiton (talk) 11:55, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
What I like about administrators is when they stop posturing and start doing their job. In this case, banning PatW with the same alacrity you showed to Rumiton.Momento (talk) 22:14, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
If you remember, it took me a couple days to sort that out; I'm doing the same right now. And be careful what you're looking for; the recent AE archives for a thread on the Troubles should serve as a warning on that. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 00:24, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I think Rawat supporters would prefer the 'nuclear ban' option because (as has happened before - eg in the Jossi case) any in-depth analysis would reveal that my objections are informed, valid and constructive in opposing these editors and their particular bias. As I answered Rainer on the Talk Page, his (and Rumiton's) perception that my reference to 'the embarrassment and denial of current followers re Rawat's divinity claims' was an attack on him was purely imagined. I was merely trying to point out that his proposal had 'weasel words' and absurd omissions, which smack of the revisionism that many critics feel is perpetrated by current followers and Rawat himself. I thought that we were trying to move towards a more neutral presentation. PatW (talk) 01:36, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Your objections, especially the Pat Halley red herring, have been comprehensively refuted so many times without making a dent on your expressed viewpoint, that everyone is sick to death of them and of your constant mischaracterisations of editors. Enough. Surely. Rumiton (talk) 11:44, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

It's still happening, sir. Rumiton (talk) 02:06, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:PC2012/RfC 1[edit]

We're going to run a 1-week RfC just on the question of keeping or ditching PC Level 2 ... the hope is that this will generate more feedback in preparation for the next RfC, which will be longer and more interesting. Will you be around about a week from now to close it within a few days? If possible, I'd like to give people a rough idea when the next RfC is coming . - Dank (push to talk) 17:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll be here. I'll check in tomorrow and see what's going on. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:28, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm happy that a lot of people agreed to keep talking about it. I offered to box it up tomorrow when we had something like unanimity, but there are one or two now who seem to disagree with the conclusions at WP:PC2012/RfC 1#Vote on closure, and there are one or two who probably don't want me doing anything at all at this point :), so ... over to you, I'll keep quiet. Thanks loads for offering your services, it helps a lot when someone with a lot of experience is willing to tackle this stuff ... especially when not a lot of people are. I'll help the conversations get started over at WT:PC2012/Committee, without making any assumptions about what you're going to say. - Dank (push to talk) 14:09, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Oh and ... for this week's News and Notes, all I added was: the RfC continues and we've got an 11-2 vote setting up a committee, and I linked to the committee page. Feel free to edit that. - Dank (push to talk) 14:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism report no. 2[edit]

Hello again, the same IP address I reported to you has begun making disruptive edits and vandalism again. Given past history, it is unlikely they will listen to any warnings I've left. Creativity97 (TALK) 17:46, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Reblocked for a week. I suspect we're headed down the 1 week, 1 month, 3 months, 1 year road. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:29, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

You're probably right. Thanks again. Creativity97 (TALK) 14:32, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

India sanctions[edit]

How does one go about asking for AE on this? Obviously some sort of warning needs to be given at Talk:India to one particular editor and this is apparently not the first time that this warning appears necessary for them. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 06:59, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

There are instructions at the top of AE for filings on specific editors, and you can use {{uw-sanctions}} to warn an editor on their talkpage. More generally, you can add {{Discretionary sanctions}} to the top of an article talkpage to give anyone going there notice. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:56, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)[edit]

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

Steven Zhang's Fellowship Slideshow

In this issue:

  • Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
  • Research: The most recent DR data
  • Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
  • Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
  • DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
  • Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
  • Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?
Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->

--The Olive Branch 19:33, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

vandalsim by user WBRSin[edit]

The user WBRSin constantly deletes the Topic Ban whcih you have put on his talk page.

Also he is continuing his distruption and vandalism in the page Popular Front of India and also deletes the warning message whcih i left on his talk page. Kindly stop him from undo'in his talk page history and continuous vandalsim.Wasif (talk) 10:29, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Violating topic ban... Again...[edit]

User Talknic has been indef blocked from I-P articles broadly construed in July 2012 (he was previously indef blocked from I-P articles in 2011 as well).

He was also recently blocked for 72 hours for violating this topic ban on the same article as now. He was also warned after violating his topic ban again. Each time, you were involved in this, which is why I'm coming to you.

He has now violated his topic ban again by making this edit on the article, the talk page, and a bit later on the talk page again. Indeed, you previously blocked him for 72 hours for editing that exact article in violation of his topic ban.

I think that this persistent dismissal of the topic ban represents a mindset and failure to follow Wikipedia guidelines and stay within the topic ban. The editor himself doesn't seem to be interested in editing other articles outside of the topic ban on Wikipedia either. Can you have a look into this and perform any necessary action? Thanks. --Activism1234 03:06, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

1) I have already received clarification of the extent of the TBan from The Blade of the Northern Lights in respect to the article [12]. 2) The article is not strictly an I/P issue, parts are "outside of the topic ban". 3) Your own behaviour [13] represents a mindset and failure to follow Wikipedia guidelines ... talknic 07:30, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
All Blade says in that diff is that UNSC resolutions are acceptable to edit, so long as they don't deal with I/P, and you can edit articles on sugar as well. Your edit on this article doesn't even deal with a UNSC resolution though, and you were blocked for 72 hours for violating your topic ban by editing this exact same article - exact same one. You keep pretending that you don't know how far your topic ban is, but now you simply edited an article that you were previously blocked for violating the topic ban on! It's getting too much. The article is directly related to I/P, especially broadly construed, something you'd know since you were banned for editing it and violating your topic ban. --Activism1234 15:13, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Activism - The Ahmadjinedad/Israel article could include the Israeli statements on the Iranian nuclear issue, Iranian civil rights, the Jewish population in Iran, Ahmadjinedad's election, without mention of Palestine. Furthermore, the article is not subject to the same ACTIVE ARBITRATION REMEDIES as the I/P issue e.g., top of the Talk page. As for your sugar sarcasm. It was an analogy, put in good faith and yet to be answered here. EdJohnston has been quite explicit ... talknic (talk) 16:35, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
I have to agree with Talknic here; Mahmoud Ahmadinejad isn't inherently about I/P (although certain parts of the article are, that wasn't what Talknic was editing), so I'm really not seeing it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:38, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps not directly, but certainly broadly construed. Ahmadinejad opposes Israel and believes it should be replaced with a single Palestinian state... His comments, which is that article, are directly related to that. Talknic was blocked for 72 hours for editing that exact same article because it violated his topic ban. I went to Ed first (3 A.M., forgot you dealt with talknic before), and Ed said that although it may not have gone directly over the topic ban, "I don't like that he is testing the edges of his ban," if that helps. If you still feel that he hasn't violated his topic ban, I won't argue further, that's fine. --Activism1234 16:46, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm not disagreeing that this is really pushing it, I feel like it's too gray for me to unilaterally block over. If you'd like to go with an AE thread, I'd be fine with that, and you may get a different response there.
That said, Talknic you really are pushing it here. There are millions of articles that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject which are just as interesting to edit, and it would behoove you to find a few that you'd enjoy editing. I have places to go on Wikipedia when I want to do some work by myself, and it's done a tremendous amount in keeping me going; you'll probably find it does the same for you. Speaking of which, I want to resume a little work on an article I alluded to in a previous thread; it has a way of shaking everything back into perspective. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:58, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
The Blade of the Northern Lights/Activism - I have been seeking through reasonable questions (and analogy) to verify the actual extent of the 'gray' I/P TBan. EdJohnston has been quite explicit. Furthermore, it is the responsibility of all editors to address breaches of policy, including blatant breaches of WP:NPOV. It is completely against policy to maintain such breaches. I also believe the WP:POV template is to remain until POV issues are resolved, not removed for the wrong reasons ... talknic (talk) 17:30, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Activism - "Ahmadinejad opposes Israel and believes it should be replaced with a single Palestinian state... His comments, which is that article, are directly related to that." Your current complaint is post the UNSC resolution edit. I have made no comment directly related to the I/P issue since the UNSC resolution edit ... talknic (talk) 17:43, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

OK I understand Blade, thanks. --Activism1234 19:06, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Talknic's ban now being discussed at AE[edit]

See WP:AE#Talknic. I wonder if you would support modifying the ban to keep Talknic away from the articles that are being disputed. For instance, "Talknic may not edit any article which mentions the Arab-Israeli conflict or the future of the state of Palestine, or states the views of any political leader who refers to Israel as a Zionist regime." The point of this is to broaden the scope of the ban to include the entire common-sense definition of the Arab-Israeli conflict. If Talknic seemed to be using common sense, this fine-tuning of the ban would not be necessary. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 22:23, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Bizarre ... Almost every article on the M East is disputed.
Iran is Persian, not Arab. By it's title, the article is not solely an I/P issue and (at the time of my edits) did/does not carry an I/P ACTIVE ARBITRATION WARNING.
The article in question could cover anything from Nuclear industry to Iranian human rights, sans the I/P issue.
The article Lede begins "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel refers to the relations between Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the State of Israel, characterized by contentious speeches and statements, " Yet contains ONLY statements by the Iranian representative. For example, where are the contentious Israeli statements accusing Iran of developing Nukes? Or on the Iranian elections? Sans Israeli statements on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad/Iran, the whole article is in breach of the most basic principals of Wikipedia policy.
"If Talknic seemed to be using common sense, " Editors are inherently obliged to address breaches of policy for as long as they stand. Administrators are inherently obliged to look at the hands of those who bring complaints to WP:AE. Thus far no administrator dealing with my banning has bothered ... talknic (talk) 06:29, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Message [14]. Thx for your patience ... talknic (talk) 03:28, 11 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi Blade, question here [[15]]. As Silktort has said, i have done nothing wrong. Made a constructive edit as Elen confirmed, 5 days after notifying the talk page. What more can I do to avoid this sort of harrassment. This case had nothing to do with my edit and more to do with who I am and the user trying to get me re-blocked. [16] here Mo has finally joined the convo and despite logic still doesnt wish to play ball. pure POV. What sanctions is Mo going to face for harrassment?Factocop (talk) 09:09, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

WP:PC2012/RfC 1#Second vote on closure[edit]

Hey Blade, DGG wanted a second vote ... I'm thinking a couple of days won't hurt anything, though I personally wouldn't be opposed to a sooner close. Up to you ... if you think something else is needed for a close, please let us know. - Dank (push to talk) 22:37, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I think people will generally be quite relieved by your close. I think that News and Notes doesn't have much room for us this week, just a paragraph or so, I'll ask for feedback at the RfC talk page, feel free to weigh in. Thanks so much for sticking with this, I know it's been hard. - Dank (push to talk) 02:02, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Though I may sometimes complain about it, I'm glad I've done this; I know I have the fortitude to stick it out, and some of the discussion has really been thought-provoking. I'll take a look at the RfC talkpage and see what, if anything, I have to say. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:22, 15 September 2012 (UTC)


  • 03:38, 15 September 2012 The Blade of the Northern Lights (talk | contribs) blocked TheMege360 (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite (Confirmed sock puppet of TheMege360 (investigation))

You've blocked someone for being a sock-puppet of themself! Face-smile.svg--Shirt58 (talk) 04:34, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that. At least I had the fortitude to fix the template, if not the block message. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 10:27, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
And a big Oops on my part. I should have changed it myself, but lacked the personal fortitude. Apologies if that came across as being snarky; I can see that it might have read that way, but wasn't intended to be so. I also notice that you are one of the sysops who might consider nominating one of the surly bunch at WP:NPP for the admin buttons. No particular reason for mentioning this, of course... --Shirt58 (talk) 13:22, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
No offense taken at all; I actually had a bit of a laugh myself. It actually helps to be reminded I'm not perfect every so often without having to be dragged to ANI or some similar venue. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:04, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


[17] EEng (talk) 23:43, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

You may or may not believe I'm sincere in saying this, but it's sad, really [18]. To find a topic of research thát really captures one's imagination is a wonderful thing, but in this case irredeemably poisoned by a craving for recognition that Adler would have given his eyeteeth to use as a case study [19].
Those feelings aside, I don't know if the clerk's decision to forego contacting Arbcom [20] best serves the project (though I fear my own comments re quacks may have prompted it). I have never come across anyone who has been anywhere near so destructive, over such a long period, with such a gigantic waste of other editors' time -- ANI, SPI, arbitration, countless endless talkpage rants, and still never, ever seeming to get the point. I fear that after the year's block is up it will be the same old tricks again. Is it time for a full, indefinite ban, including on the IP?
EEng (talk) 01:40, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Oh, wait. I misread what the clerk said. He's indefinitely blocked -- it's the IP that's blocked for only a year. Never mind. EEng (talk) 02:04, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, and I have to agree with it. Hopefully it stops here, or we will have to push for a full ban. Completely agree with your other comments. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Now fly, my pretties! Fly, fly, fly! I suggest that talkpage access not be blocked, since there's some chance he'll be unable to resist cluing us in to whatever he does next. EEng (talk) 21:59, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Just last night I watched that movie for the first time in years. Yeah, there's no harm in letting him use his talkpage for the time being. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 00:32, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Not sure that "It's up to you" was the best phrase QFK could have chosen -- a month from now it will be, "Well, someone said the length of my block was up to me!" Anyway, I tried. [21] [22] I suggest we follow R. Reagan for now: Trust, but verify. EEng (talk) 20:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

"I do not think the final argument is compatible with our guideline on assuming good faith...[edit]

I believe that you are incorrect in disregarding the views of people who believe that the tool would be abused, especially for the reason that it is not "compatible with our guideline on assuming good faith". If a large number of experienced editors (and let's face it, just about everyone on that page is highly experienced) are making the argument, it's indicative of a real concern shared by a statistically significant portion of the community. AGF might be an official guideline but a large number of people believe that it's gone by the wayside. I count myself among them, having seen a staggering degree of bad faith and outright malice perpetrated by not only the regular users, but also members of the admin corps. Everyone on that page knows about AGF, but they're choosing to express an opinion that either explicitly or implicitly (depending on each individual's wording) discounts it. To discount peoples' concern about a deliberate and specific abuse because it clashes with the guideline of AGF is no different from discounting peoples' concerns about the number of unrefereed articles because it clashes with our requirement that arguments are sourced. We might be telling everyone that they should expect the best in everyone else, but that neither means that said expectation will be met, nor does it mean that the behavior of others merits said expectation. Sven Manguard Wha? 00:56, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I went back and read the opposes after the close, and maybe I'm misreading, but "abuse the tools" is often used around here to mean "misuse the tools", particularly at RFA. I thought FormerIP made a nice, tight argument for why it was rational to expect some misuse of the tools, an argument that has nothing to do with ABF. But ... I don't want to be one of those guys who can't take "yes" for an answer, I'm certainly grateful that the close gives us many months to work on the kinds of problems that trigger protection before we have to face PC/2 again. - Dank (push to talk) 02:02, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
OTOH, some of the opposers might have been assuming bad faith, I can't tell, and it's always a good idea to remind people that bad faith arguments are generally weak arguments ... so, yes, I'm happy with the close :) - Dank (push to talk) 18:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


Sent you an email - inappropriate to provide such info on-wiki. - Sitush (talk) 18:43, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Topic Ban[edit]

Shouldn't there be an explanation for each individual editor about this? Of course, I am only asking about myself right now. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 18:20, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Why have I been banned? It is a bit surprising considering I wasn't very active on the talk page and have edited the article only once. I mean at what point did it appear that I am disrupting? Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 18:24, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Can you give examples of TE in Caste and other articles. Besides, which back and forth with Fowler&fowler are you talking about? The one at ANI? Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 18:34, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Please clarify my your last comment on my talk page. I am still waiting for it. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 19:19, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't plan to edit on the caste namespace, but I think you've made a mistake. Please take your time, I am not asking you to rush the explanation. Here are few of the other content disputes I've had in the past, going back to 25th July: Talk:Cārvāka#Hedonism and inference in C.C4.81rv.C4.81ka thought, Talk:Samkhya#Dualism and Atheism in lead, Talk:India/Archive 37#Changes that I seek to bring, Talk:Neo-Advaita#Blatant hoax, Talk:Yoga#Quality Issues: Lede, Talk:Hindu_philosophy#Disbelieve in God .3F, Talk:Nyaya#Ny.C4.81ya. I have resolved all of them amicably (barring the last two which are ongoing). I welcome your criticism of my editing, but I also trust you will revert your actions if you find after assessing the disputes that I do not have a very high level of tendentiousness in my editing. Regards. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 19:46, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Okay the side discussion on Spinning out new articles to reduce clutter was started by Fowler&fowler himself. You can confirm this from Fowler. He writes in the section below Sorry, it was my mistake to open a new section above (in what I thought was a helpful move).... Regarding the second link, is this the sentence you had a problem with: The 914 words allotted to non-Hindu India and South Asia can start from within the India section and extend to other countries. We don't need to title sections Hindu India, Muslim India etc.... Please note Fowler actually agreed to this conditionally. The condition was: ...such as this doozy in the current lead, "Castes have been observed in societies that are, for example, predominantly Muslim, Christian, Hindu or Buddhist" where Hinduism is snuck way in the back, are removed forever. Please note Fowler is not referring to my comment here, but a sentence in the lead. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 19:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Can I politely ask you what made you decide that banning me would improve Wikipedia? Hoshigaki (talk) 03:05, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

If you have doubts about banning him, go to Wikipedia talk:JAPAN#Buji monks. Tijfo098 (talk) 11:46, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Please log the sanctions[edit]

you just imposed to WP:GS/Caste with a clearly area defined area for a each editor. Thanks. Tijfo098 (talk) 08:31, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Just wondering...[edit]

Hello again, I was wondering if you could help me with something. Currently, List of The Young and the Restless cast members has been vandalized by numerous IP addresses, making edits that are extremely tedious to revert. I don't know if you can do this or not, but I was wondering if there was a way to get the page semi-protected to avoid vandalism from these IPs? I'm thinking the increased vandalism at this time is because of major cast changes on The Young and the Restless, and it may die down after while. Regardless, if you could let me know if you'd be able to help, that'd be great. Creativity97 (TALK) 22:57, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Semiprotected for 4 days; if it pops up again, let me know and I'll reprotect it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Blade, I think you should consider taking a break from all cast- and caste-related issues. In fact, let's go "broadly construed" and agree you should stay away from anything cast-related as well. Otherwise you risk being typecast as a cast-related castigator. So break the mold, why don't you? Cast about for a new arena to cast your hat into. EEng (talk) 00:12, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
I've been castigated a great deal over this latest one, so perhaps I need to let a new cast cast their shadow over castes. Although I have to say, I find casting my weight around in these sorts of disputes strangely entertaining. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 00:18, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for the assistance with ISeeWhatYouDo (talk · contribs). -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

They are off their block now and right back at it. Same edit summary and all. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:59, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Yup, right back at again now that their second block has expired, though this time without an edit summary. Might I suggest revoking user talk page access from the start? They removed your block notice four times after your warning about not doing so. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 15:37, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Still going. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:40, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


India Animals.jpg The Well Deserved Rest Barnstar
In appreciation of the difficult decisions you have to make, I award you this barnstar, whether or not it stops the traffic. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:49, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Someone has to do the dirty work around here, and I didn't see anyone else forthcoming. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:11, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Let's hope that sorting out difficult disputes is its own reward. EdJohnston (talk) 03:45, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
If I didn't find it somewhat entertaining in its own way, I wouldn't do it. But I do, so I do. Review is of course welcome. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:49, 23 September 2012 (UTC)


FYI. And FWIW, on a slightly different note regarding NPP, although I am not entirely in favour of creating a right for NPP, I fear that the question may become inevitable when the NewPagesFeed is finally released for general use and has been monitored for a while. The reviewer right (whatever that will be) could be a possible guideline, and might incorporate both if need arises. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)


You pretty much made my point. Cheers! (talk) 20:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

No, it's a silly side-comment designed to vent anger at admins. Doesn't belong there. Agree with Blade hatting it 100%. --Activism1234 20:32, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Silly side comments are permitted all the time on AN/I. Not venting, just stating an observation: I don't think it would have been hatted had we not been IPs. (talk) 20:56, 23 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi, you have just declined an unblock request for Krantmlverma (talk · contribs). The timing of the request concerns me: it has happened after a period of silence and after the recent appearance of Quicksilver7784 (talk · contribs) who has been attempting to introduce Verma's books at Ram Prasad Bismil - there is some discussion concerning this here. Should I file a report at SPI or do you think that might be too flimsy? - Sitush (talk) 09:22, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, wrong admin - you did the original block, Spiffy declined the request. - Sitush (talk) 09:26, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail![edit]

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And a reply. Writ Keeper 17:02, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Dealing with stress[edit]

I just read User:The Blade of the Northern Lights/Dealing with stress. Thanks for writing it. I can't say my drama exposure is anywhere comparable (my mopping takes place mostly at WP:AFD); my meditative and calming anti-drama influence is the natural beauty of the planet, and a healthy diet of reading actual books. Your essay will certainly be something I'll pass on to any editors who I manage to coax into the Coliseum and who subsequently emerge with a mop in hand. —Tom Morris (talk) 22:48, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks; I'm glad someone actually found it helpful. It seems so easy for many people to lose their sense of perspective, and those of us who have ways of getting it back seem to do so much better here. Thanks again. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:45, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)Dunno about anyone else, but I like to just put on my happy music and read posts from a different point of view. Clears all my stress, even non-Wikipedia related stress. :) Writ Keeper 00:13, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if this phrase crosses from the UK to elsewhere but it is "whatever floats your boat". Basically, if it works for you then it is A Good Thing. The photo that you refer to in the essay obviously has that effect. More generally, we all need a sense of perspective: the goal of this project is, let's face it, unattainable. If anything, it is perhaps going backwards at present, but at a personal level that is by-the-by.

I have an schoolgirl's autograph book here - it belonged to my aunt, who died way back when, aged 79 - and in it there is a note from some churchman or schoolteacher that says something like "Look to the the moon and the stars. You may never reach them but they light your life". I'm paraphrasing and am definitely slightly off the mark but I rather think it is a quote. I'll try to find the thing over the next few days but my point is that, hey, we do what we can and we aspire to the best, accepting that it is beyond reach (the writing is definitely 1920s/1930s!). I get stressed here, a lot. But then I wander off on some byway and produce something like Isaac Perrins or John Horsefield. It keeps me sane. Or as sane as I will ever be, at any rate. A change is as good as a rest, be it a different topic area or a significant image. Sitush (talk) 00:20, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Potential RfA nomination advice request from Trevj[edit]

Hi. I'm contacting you as a result of you being listed at Wikipedia:Request an RfA nomination#Editors willing to be asked to nominate a user.

  • I'm considering whether it might be useful to Wikipedia if I were to be entrusted with "the mop" at some point in the future. I already try to help out with some backlogs and believe that I'm civil in my dealings with others. The extra tools would allow me to further assist with RM, AFD, PROD, UNDELETE and CSD (the latter two with caution, as I'd expect to need to build some experience and probably seek advice).
  • I have the following reservations:
  1. Desire to finish (the bulk of my immediate) planned content creation: RfA and admin tasks would distract from this, although trying to "finish" the article stuff will take me many months anyway, going at my current rate.
  2. RfA itself doesn't look like being much fun.
  3. I have limited anti-vandalism experience, but would be prepared to help out if necessary, after seeking advice.
  • If you have the time and inclination to have a quick check of my participation at AfD, please note that I naively (and rather unnecessarily) changed my sig to Trevj#top some time ago, without realising the consequences.

Any advice you're able to offer (here on your talk page is fine, if you like) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for reading. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 02:26, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Sure. Definitely get some of what content creation you want to done, as that'll 1. help with a future RfA and 2. ensure you actually do it; you'll find that admin tasks end up taking a pretty substantial percentage of your time. You don't have to do everything (I've maintained some content work and uploaded a few images since becoming an admin), but a few articles will be helpful. Going the NPP route to adminship requires a very high degree of accuracy; I've seen you in CAT:CSD a few times, and never had a problem, and from what I can see that's an accurate impression. I'll have to check your AfD participation tomorrow when I get a better connection, but putting in a bit of time over there is also good. Some dispute resolution participation is also a good idea; it doesn't necessarily have to be resolving the dispute, but something demonstrating you know some of the channels. And in all those venues, make sure you watch how admins handle different situations; people may ask you questions on different scenarios, and it's good to have an idea of how you'd deal with them.
You won't need a huge amount of anti-vandal work, but a few AIV reports and vandal reverts are good. And as to the RfA process; it's hard to predict. My RfA went about as smoothly as one could hope, but the RfA of another exceptional user was a lot rockier. One thing I can say is that it's nice to be the 2nd RfA added to the page, as those RfAs tend to have fewer people making mountains out of molehills (mine was the 4th RfA on the page, maybe that helped me). So overall, I'd say you're looking great. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:28, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks very much for the swift reply. I'll continue as before, especially trying to deal with my userspace drafts (basically deciding which are going to lead anywhere and which were started without enough judgement) and a couple of other specific content areas I'd like to return to. I've barely ventured into NPP, being very wary of not marking pages I was unsure of and awaiting any potential feedback in connection with the (few) pages I (possibly erroneously) let through. I've participated in what I think is a reasonable number of discussions with other editors and seem to have resolved disputes I've been involved in OK, although haven't yet been specifically involved in resolving the disputes of others. I s'pose I could probably make a bit of an effort to check out the recent changes and report some vandalism. Thanks again for sharing your advice with me. If you have any questions after checking out a few more details, please say so. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 07:43, 29 September 2012 (UTC)


I passed a comment at Talk:Royal College, Colombo and thought no more of it. The situation was obvious to me but one has to AGF etc. Anyways, while tidying up some stuff I noticed this series of SPIs. The reported actions of IPs (and admin comments thereon) for the December 2011 and April 2012 investigations make interesting reading. - Sitush (talk) 08:52, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

And these edits of a few minutes ago seem like block evasion to me. - Sitush (talk) 18:13, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Putting all of the relevant pages back on semi-protection...even indefinite s-p would be fine. They've all been on before. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:23, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Indef sp sounds good to me; I tend to be heavy-handed with it in these articles anyways, and this seems as opportune a time as any. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:28, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

CIR problem[edit]

We may have a long-term WP:CIR problem - User_talk:Starrahul#October_2012. - Sitush (talk) 10:06, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I've been very, very firm with them for the last hour or so. Maybe that is what was needed, although I note that they have made promises before and never changed their ways in a meaningful manner. It will be a long haul because almost everything they do is wrong or, at best, very poor. - Sitush (talk) 14:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
I'll keep an eye on things, and if it comes to blocking I'll be ready. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:30, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Alas, the crap is still going on - see User_talk:Starrahul#Caste sanctions. - Sitush (talk) 12:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Reversion of photo on Commons[edit]

Blade, maybe I'm being a dunce but at [23] I can't figure out how to revert the Aug 2012 substitution of an altered photo and go back to the original (which another editor and I agree is better). Can you do that? Thanks. EEng (talk) 06:41, 4 October 2012 (UTC) And steer clear of all those casts and castes!

I think I got it, though you'll probably want to check. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 06:46, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Ummm.. I don't think that's right. The thumbnail and full-size of your version seem to be the same as the August 2012, not the same as the original. And yet the sizes reported (21K, 29K) seem mixed up (you'll see what I mean). There's no hurry, if that helps. Thanks again. EEng (talk) 07:13, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Damn, I'll try again... The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 07:25, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Hrmm... it looks right on my end; did you purge your cache? Sometimes that'll do it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 07:30, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

New User[edit]

Hey TBotNL,

I am Leo and as obvious from the subject, I'm new on the site. Although I've worked on some wikis before this (WikiAnswers, WikiHow) their editing, reference, communication systems were totally different as compared to those of Wikipedia. I'd be very grateful if you'd be kind enough to show me the strings and analyze my first article. On WikiAnswers, the website is managed by volunteer members called Supervisors (part of a very simple hierarchized system). Is there any such group on Wikipedia?

Please respond on my talkpage.

Leo Pacificus (talk) 22:17, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Manual of style[edit]

Have you checked Wikipedia talk:Manual of style lately?? I asked an important question. Georgia guy (talk) 23:05, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Offensive post[edit]

Didn't want to add fuel to the Mark Arsten / MF fire whilst it was going on, but I found this post highly offensive -- encouraging anyone to drink lame lager while there are so many awesome Belgians and Porters and IPAs in the world is just wrong. Jester of the court (NE) 02:42, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I love a good Yuengling or a Belgian stout (Three Philosophers is awesome); but I just like Tsingtao. I've long wanted to try some Yebisu; Sapporo is good, and Yebisu is supposed to be super dark, so I can get the best of both. That said, I'd also be more than happy to buy everyone there a round of Allagash, Three Philosophers, Harpoon IPA, or Dogfish Head depending on preference. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:53, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Cossde block[edit]

You blocked Cossde for 31h earlier this week wrt Sri Lankan school names. They've come back doing exactly the same sort of thing that got them into bother first time round. I have reverted them on one article and posted an explanation here. - Sitush (talk) 13:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Another example would appear to be their change to the name at Royal College Wayamba, Kurunegala today. I have absolutely no idea what the root problem is here but handling a content dispute through edit summaries is not the way to resolve it, and Cossde is enough of a wikilawyer that they should know this. This series of messages suggests that it is not the first time that they have chosen to ignore the very policies that they cite. - Sitush (talk) 13:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Wow... Cossde isn't editing now, but if it starts up again I'll block. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:24, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Wrt to the other side of the Cossde block, please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Xe2oner. - Sitush (talk) 10:12, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Blocked user:Historylover4 is back as User:Cityslicker4[edit]

User:Historylover4, whom you blocked on 20 August, has returned and is making the same edits to the same articles, this time as User:Cityslicker4. Will it be necessary to file an SPI to have the sock blocked or can you take care of it?—Biosketch (talk) 13:34, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

You can disregard this message. Another editor filed the SPI and a CU confirmed the match.—Biosketch (talk) 15:53, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Since you are an active admin in arbitration cases..[edit]

Hello The Blade of the Northern Lights,

  • Since you are an active admin in arbitration cases....I would like to ask you to revoke User:Samofi's access to edit his own talk page.

There is an indef-blocked user who is placed under topic-ban including each article that covers his interesting field in Wikipedia. [24]

"Under the discretionary sanctions rule of the WP:DIGWUREN Arbcom decision, I am therefore banning you, indefinitely, from all edits relating to Hungarian and/or Slovakian ethnic and national disputes (including but not limited to: naming issues, issues of ethnic/national characterization of historical personalities, and historic conflicts involving these nations)"

However, this user edited his own talk page in a way that violates his topic ban ,and in my opinion, it constitutes Wikipedia:Harassment. For more information, see:[25].

I have noticed a lot of POV pushing from problematic (lot of times blocked user - Nmate, he is pushing original research and unsourced matherials to the plenty articles about Slovak villages ( It looks like a spamming and nationalistic agenda....

Given that this is a twofold indef-blocked user. Once already he got a second chance to return to editing Wikipedia, and he is still blocked. That is why I can't request for arbitration for him. Although I may ask his talk page access to be revoked. Would you be so kind as to consider it?--Nmate (talk) 14:22, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, talkpage access diasbled; this is one to let ArbCom deal with. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:30, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I would like to say few things. User Nmate operate with Harassment, but its user Nmate who is canvassing administrators and asking for a block of user Samofi. This situation is long term. It looks like The pot calling the kettle black from the Nmate site. He operates here with at least strange indef-block of user Samofi (see here: [26]). On the one side he told 12 May 2012 [27]: "of course it is possible that Savneli was Bizovne" on the other side in 2 June 2012 he had no problem vandalize user page of Samofi and call him sockuppeteer [28]. User Samofi wrote on talkpage important informations about mistakes in articles, it noticed skilled user (for CN issues) also: [29] and after that was this user contacted with Nmate [30]. Now he is useing your block of Samofi in his favour [31]. Samofi has problem with few concrete editors, he is able to cooperate and communicate with a lot of users, and was marked as reasonable editor by neutral administrator [32]. He made flame in Slovak/Hungarian historical personalities and nameing conventions. In his topic ban is written: "all edits relating to Hungarian and/or Slovakian ethnic and national disputes (including but not limited to: naming issues, issues of ethnic/national characterization of historical personalities, and historic conflicts involving these nations". After that administrator NuclearWarfare wrote him: "lay off anything that involves Hungarian or Slovakian ident ities until your topic ban is successfully appealed". Its questionable if add a CN tag is abuse of topic ban [33] , but after canvass of Nmate [34] user Samofi had a 1 month long ban - as Nmate wanted. Than Samofi noticed an incorect informations and put it on talkpage in good faith, Nmate again used his topic ban to block him, firstly here: [35] and than on your talkpage... So one user is blocked half year on EN Wiki, but he can to edit Slovak WP with no problem with others users, second user Nmate is still here. So who is better and who is worse? Who is stalker and who is victim? Is it really so clear for you? Beacause for me its not so clear. This is my opinion about this situation.--Omen1229 (talk) 10:21, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Tesa[edit]

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Prem Rawat[edit]

PatW again: Have you mentioned that the Mahatma who took part in the beating was secreted off to Germany where he continued his work as a Mahatma for Rawat? There's a reliable sources for this I believe. As you know Rawat was criticised for his handling of the affair and what you are doing is trying to paint as favourable picture of Rawat as possible. Why don't you go looking for some of the more embarrassing stuff to add? Well...that's fairly obvious I guess. I object but I'm not going to bother arguing about it anymore as this article is starting to make me feel physically sick every time I look in. Hey Olive..why don't you go get some more 'neutral' people to come weigh in here...oh I forgot...they're only interested in admonishing people who are uncivil. What a joke. Look Blade, this isn't going to just stop by itself. This guy is now implying complicity to Prem Rawat in what might be a case of attempted murder. If you look at the sources, that is totally unjustified. Prem Rawat, not the police, identified the attackers and he held them for the police, who never showed up. It is hard to see how Prem Rawat (who was only 16 15 at the time) could have done anything better than he did in a terrible situation. Can you do anything about this guy? Please tell me quickly if you find it too complex or difficult and I will see where else I can take it. Rumiton (talk) 00:45, 7 October 2012 (UTC) You might also look at User talk:PatW, where someone else who is trying to help by pointing out PatW's comments rarely amount to anything more than personal attack appears to be getting nowhere. Rumiton (talk) 01:11, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Actually, yes, civility and sticking to discussion on the edits and the sources might allow editors to reach some middle ground where they could agree on contentious areas. I realize this article has been contentious for a long time, and my comments may sound naive. At the same time coming back to this fundamental of discussion can't hurt and might allow the sides to come to some middle ground. They sure can't do it now as long as there are personal attacks which create distraction and side step the real issue of the content and sources. Almost need a kind of sheriff on the page.(olive (talk) 03:21, 7 October 2012 (UTC))
Urgh... I need to catch up with what's going on over there. This should be fun. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
aha're aware of this. Now whilst I have sought to bring attention to the hypocrisy of Momento and Rumiton attacking me (which bothers me very little actually) I would ask you to not let this be a distraction to the fact that there are some very one-sided edits being done especially in [this thread]. have given Olive the link to the relevant source that Momento is using plus those he omits - this is on my Talk Page. I totally object Rumion's suggestion that I am implying complicity to Prem Rawat for attempted murder. That is not the case. I am reminding people there are sources that say a) Rawat didn't do enough and few other things that seem to be missing. I don't wish the article to imply Rawat was complicit at all - that is not my belief. If you are going to attack me get your facts right please. BTW even Pat Halley said that his attacker wrote to him and said he had been ordered by the organisation not Rawat personally. So there's no way I would want that infuted. PatW (talk) 12:17, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
To protect a criminal from justice is to be complicit in the crime. If you are not asserting this, or trying to include such assertions in the article, I am very glad to hear it. Please tell us so in plain language here. (Blade, I am sorry this spilled over onto your talk page. Please deal with it as you will.) Rumiton (talk) 13:50, 7 October 2012 (UTC) Incidentally, re the "organisation made me do it" allegation, the attacker has since changed his story again and claimed he wasn't even there. He has not been a reliable witness. Rumiton (talk) 13:53, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
OK Rumiton.. I know it's all hopelessly vague. I am more concerned that the gist of the actual other sources such a Collier are not omitted. I'm sure Blade will agree that since I never made the assertion you accuse me of I have nothing to recant.PatW (talk) 18:35, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I don't really see it as vague at all; the sequence of events is about as clear as anything gets, and it is accurately reflected by the article as it stands. The waters have been muddied by people a) rushing into print before knowing all the facts, b) trying to deflect their own culpability, or c) for personal or career reasons trying to unfairly implicate innocent parties. Rumiton (talk) 10:18, 8 October 2012 (UTC)By her "if this is true" qualifier, and by getting important facts wrong (contradicted by better sources) Collier puts herself into the "a" category, though she is not a reputable source for a BLP anyway. Rumiton (talk) 10:23, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Explanation please[edit]

Could you explain to me in detail with diffs why I need to "cool it".Momento (talk) 21:11, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Another long-term semi?[edit]

Geez, have you seen Ahluwalia? - Sitush (talk) 06:35, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the AE report that Iadrian yu has requested for me[edit]

This is just a disruptive use of WP:AE as a battleground. I would like to invoke : Anyone requesting enforcement who comes with unclean hands runs the risk of their request being summarily denied or being sanctioned themself.

"At the discretion of the administrator processing the request, editors who repeatedly file substantially meritless requests may be sanctioned for disrupting the Arbitration Enforcement process; editors who file clearly groundless, frivolous, vexatious, or bad-faith requests may be similarly sanctioned, even on a first offense."

At WP AE, I pointed out that Iadrian has a long history of requesting blocks for me.[36]

I feel it may be a time that an AE block should be implemented on Iadrian yu, or perhaps an interaction ban between two of us, may also do some good.

Note that I also expressed my opinion on the case at Timotheus Canens' talk page. However, I did not want to copy it on your talk page as a whole. For this reason, please take a look at:[37]--Nmate (talk) 09:47, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

PS: Although Omen1229 is a rather ingenious user, I have a lot of problems with understandig his motivations:[38].--Nmate (talk) 10:41, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
So you begin to discuss about Samofi and then you have "a lot of problems with understandig my motivations". And what are your motivations? Anyway my "motivation" should not be your problem, becouse this is not Nmatepedia with one POV--Omen1229 (talk) 11:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism report[edit]

Hello again! I would like to bring to your attention that another article under the WP:SOAPS scope, Sharon Newman, has been receiving excessive vandalism from both IPs and newly joined users. If you could semi-protect it for a few days, that'd be great! Let me know. Creativity97 (TALK) 21:36, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


I am confused that several uninvolved users think there is nothing serious here, but ok. In my opinion principle courtesyDIGWUREN, section: Principles is violated by this user. I see that for an example User:Irpen is listed [[39]] as for personal attacks, incivility, and assumptions of bad faith for less insults. Of course it is possible that I made a mistake but I have a questions:

  • 1)Since I got a sanctioned for misusing this board does this means that this behavior is in some way tolerated?

Please if you could clear this for me because I would like to know so I would not repeat the same mistake in the future. Thank you. Adrian (talk) 13:30, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

What it means is basically you're making a mountain out of a molehill; a few intemperate remarks and a request to remove talkpage access from someone who was abusing it (which was actioned once someone familiar with the situation saw what was going on) aren't a big problem. I've sanctioned people in this topic area before, but it was for really egregious problems, not a few posts that admittedly could have been better written. Also, you weren't actually sanctioned, just warned; if you have a legitimate AE matter in the future, nothing prevents you from raising it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your answer. I will be more careful in the future. I just noticed this one. How should I respond to this? Adrian (talk) 16:54, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
He's allowed to remove messages from his own talkpage, but not other people, and I agree that edit summary wasn't helpful; I'll leave a note. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:55, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Adrian (talk) 16:57, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I am disgruntled with the result achieved[edit]

Why isn't it possible to sanction Iadrian yu for block shopping?

This case was not about making a mountain out of a molehill; Iadrian yu usually makes attempts to get me blocked for frivioulous reasons. In addition, this user already contributed in a succesfull block-shopping aimed at me last year, and I couldn't appeal it, because the appealing system does not work in Wikipedia in an effective way. Now Iadrian yu has managed to a receive just a warning for filling a friviolus RFA while Iadrian yu managed to get me blocked for a duration of one month with an AE block last year. It isn't too much. You can check this:

  • Nmate (talk · contribs) blocked for 1 month for personal attacks, wikistalking and edit warring and the final refusal to get the point. - :see: this ArbCom entry contains 3 reverts and a link to a discussion with a remark and the refusal to get the point.

I discussed edits admin TParis while admin Ironholds was watching the discussion that I was not even aware of. Shortly after Iadrian yu's blackmouthing, admin Ironholds issued me an AE block for a duration of one month.

(See: 13:30 4 October, 2011, 00:07 5 October, 2011)

It was a rather senseles block. The edit summaries for my reverts did not indicate a clear-cut personal attack. Wikistalking's definition says that a user delibatery follows one another for an extensive time period; and I reveived the block for performing 3 reverts. By the time the block was issued, the reverts within the block entry that were the ground for my block were 5 days old. As for the final reusal to get the point, I discussed my edits with admin TParis, and admin Ironholds who was only a talk page stalker of the discussion in which he did not wish to participate, issued me the block after Iadrian yu's block shopping\blackmouthing. Nothing egregious happened in the discussion ,whereas I did not agree with everything TParis said. Considering that once already Iadrian yu managed to get me blocked with blackmouthing, he could reasonable assume that his recent RFA for me may pass.

What is more, Iadrian referred to this case in one another block shopping aimed at me: Also this user had 2 arbitration enforcement in 2011

I do not even edit articles Iadrian yu edits; and, now Iadrian yu has filled a RFA for me, and, the diffs in his RFA did not even concern him. He has wanted to request remedy for purporated personal attacks for 3 users he has never ever interacted with on Wikipedia. Now Iadrian yu has eluded the sanction for block shopping again. That is great.--Nmate (talk) 18:21, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry, but isn`t this block-shopping??? Adrian (talk) 18:32, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Hardly. Block shopping means making attempts at blocking other users with frivilous reasons. I think that I have a good reason to do so. I also have the right to comment on the outcome of the report that iadrian yu filled against me. Also, I have right to remove messages from other user's talk page if it constitutes WP:harrasment concerning me. In the recent RFA, Iadrian yu accused me of battleground behaviour, disruptive editing, POV pushing, and making personal attacks. The message I removed from one another's user talk page also pursued it; therefore, I had the right to do so.--Nmate (talk) 18:48, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room! In all seriousness, both of you cut it out now before I start handing out blocks. Cool it; Nmate, if you want to pursue sanctions against Iadrian yu, file an AE. I recommend both of you back off of each other and go quietly edit something for a while. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
If there's trouble maybe User talk:Burpelson AFB can give you a hand. EEng (talk) 02:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry to contact you regarding this matter after what happened here, but I am getting sick of this. User Nmate is searching for any way possible to block me? Now this appeared [40] - What now? I was prepared to WP:LETGO(and still am) but how to behave when I see some strange accusations from a year ago have no sense and how to respond in his constant accusations that I am an "anti-Hungarian" editor modifying content to be more anti-Hungarian. ? And how many more comments like this will be on my account? Adrian (talk) 20:00, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Requesting your opinion as an uninvolved admin[edit]

Could you look at Talk:Hans Eysenck and let me know if you think the edits and discussion there raise to level of disruption normally triggering WP:AE intervention? Thanks, Tijfo098 (talk) 23:51, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


A couple of days ago you asked the question at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Modification to MOS:IDENTITY about how to keep that section from being archived. The easiest way is to add {{Subst:DNAU|30}} immediately under the section heading to keep it from being archived for 30 days. Or 60 for 60 days. That will expand out into a comment that tells the bot when the section can be archived, which can be deleted if it is no longer needed. See User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo#Delaying or preventing archiving of particular threads for more information. Apteva (talk) 05:36, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Action please[edit]

You indefinitely banned Rumiton for being "uncivil" for saying on Prem Rawat Talk that an editor's behaviour was "extremely stupid".[41] "Stupid" broadly means "lacking intelligence or common sense". Despite numerous warnings PatW has gone further by describing me as being "ridiculous".[42] "Ridiculous" broadly means "deserving or inviting derision or mockery; absurd". A six month topic ban is the minimum for this egregious act of incivility. Thanks.Momento (talk) 07:50, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit to Prem Rawat article[edit]

On my Talk Page you kindly suggested that I might "write maybe a paragraph about the editor(s) in question, get diffs in a raw format, and briefly detail what's problematic with them". I am attempting to do that but I'm not very clear yet about the page that shows recent diffs. Momento today seems to have gone ahead and made an edit to the article [here]. Can you help me understand what he's done here please? It seems he's making edits to the article, adding the comment "as per discussion on Talk Page". I suppose this means he is saying that this has been discussed sufficiently . I'm not sure this is true. Thoughts? PatW (talk)

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I've gone through my last straw with this guy, and, at this point, I think the only thing we can do is to start blocking for every infraction. Specifically, now I'm sick of his calling of every edit he doesn't like as "vandalism"; see this edit summary. Any chance you'd be willing to start escalating blocks until he "gets it"? Or am I just overreacting? This, of course, is the real reason WP:INVOLVED exists--I can't make a fair judgment on Cossde anymore. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:02, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, this has gone on for long enough. I guess it's a bit late to action anything now, but I'm ready to block for 24 hours upon the next occurrence. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Things may die down for a bit here - see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Masu7. - Sitush (talk) 15:46, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I've seen dumb sockmasters before, but this is a new level of obviousness; wow. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 15:50, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I found it all very confusing and had opened another SPI that wasn't linked to Masu7. Despite the outcome, I'm not entirely convinced re: Cossde's content arguments: my suspicion is that the most accurate representation of the situation lies somewhere between the extremes of both sides. But, hey ho!

Thanks for taking a look at the Starrahul stuff, btw. Six months should hopefully be enough to clean it all up, provided they don't start IP editing etc (there are some odd events related to open proxies on their talk). - Sitush (talk) 16:01, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Time for change?[edit]

You might find this interesting. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:06, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Prem Rawat Article[edit]

Hi there again Blade. You may well be disinclined to address this matter judging by your recent lack of response. However - I'm going to try and post this elsewhere if I can figure out where to do so.
I want to lodge a strong complaint that Momento made this edit, removing well-sourced material from the Prem Rawat article before we had finished discussing the matter exhaustively here and here. A number of editors have complained that this is more aggressive vandalism from him. If you read these Talk Page discussions you can see that Momento is claiming that he removed the "unsubstantiated and probably defamatory exceptional claim about Jonestown because it did not have "multiple high-quality sources" as required". I have exhaustively argued and provided evidence that this is not the case and yet he has gone ahead and removed the material. Please would you take a look at this and take whatever action you see fit. Thanks. PatW (talk)

I'd welcome your comments at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard where I have invited discussion on Momento's recent removal of material (I referred to above) from the Prem Rawat article? Would it make any difference if I told I was a bass player and I play metal? Worth a try :-) PatW (talk) 14:40, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Nice!! Seriously, I'll take a look at it and see what I can do. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:32, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Well to be truthful..kind of old-skool metal.... Now I'm producing metal-dubstep for younger cooler dudes :-) Thanks for your help. PatW (talk) 15:38, 19 October 2012 (UTC)


Hello, there is a new discussion here. Since you closed the last report and you and your decision are mentioned in this discussion I think you should know about it. Greetings. Adrian (talk) 12:22, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

How to handle a copy/paste[edit]

Ranu is a copy/paste of this. Periodically, I have to clean out content that is sourced to because it is an open wiki, and a poor one at that. This new article is entirely unsourced but (a) not a copyvio and (b) perhaps not a hoax, although that is difficult to determine because Ranu is a common name. So, CSD will not apply and I do not have the time right now to check whether it would survive a PROD. What seems certain to me is that it should not exist in its present form, so should I stub it to a one-sentence article, or what? - Sitush (talk) 14:24, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Forget it, sorry. I had a brain fart. Now that I've worked out what has gone on, it is easy to handle. - Sitush (talk) 14:32, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

PC RfC 2[edit]

Good morning. With the ALCS all wrapped up, I wonder if you might have a chance to take a look at this today or tomorrow. Even if you don't, a few words on the status of the close would be appreciated. Rivertorch (talk) 15:05, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll leave a note there; between that and getting caught up in all the Prem Rawat stuff, I had to put that on a back burner. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Saw your note. Thanks, that sounds great! Rivertorch (talk) 17:22, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia[edit]

This topic is the gift that keeps on giving. You were the admin who closed an AE request last May involving this article. I happened to mention that AE request in the new one that is currently open at WP:AE#Request concerning Antidiskriminator. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:09, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

PC RFC Close[edit]

Hi there. I just wanted to thank you for the close. You provide a valuable service by being willing to wade into contentious areas and close RfCs in a way that is broadly perceived as fair and rational. I wanted to make sure that your service was recognized. Sven Manguard Wha? 20:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

A cookie for you![edit]

Choco chip cookie.png I'm giving out cookies to all of the Admins I see today :3 Enjoy! Meva / CHCSPrefect - (Prefect Helpdesk) 10:37, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit conflict[edit]

I was in the middle of doing the same thing :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:39, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

It truly is an example of "Two minds, one thought"; I'm impressed. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:41, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to all for such swift action. Shall I notify you directly if a page protect becomes necessary?  Mr.choppers | ✎  18:54, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, sure. More than happy to handle it. Do you want me to get rid of a couple of the edit summaries too? The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Couldn't care less, but thanks. I noticed someone else already protected it, so I'm going to move on to more fun and useful business. Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  19:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Sounds good; see you around. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:04, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Antidiskriminator at AE[edit]

G'day The Blade of the Northern Lights, can I ask you and the other admins that have commented on this report to keep an eye on the current RM at Talk:Territory_of_the_Military_Commander_in_Serbia#Proposing_a_move_in_good_faith? It was agreed it would stay open for 14 days, but it is now nearly 21 days, and most admins with a sense of self-preservation may have taken one look and hit the back button. It might be appropriate that closure there (whichever way it goes) is done by an admin from the AE discussion so that there is consistency between the decisions, particularly if a move ban is implemented. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (talk) 09:08, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

PANONIAN has appeared at AE and frankly I am pretty pissed off that he has renewed his sockpuppet attack on me among other things. Can you tell me, is this something that can be dealt with under his current ban or do I have to put in a report somewhere else? Thanks, Peacemaker67 (talk) 05:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
It's around 2 in the morning my time, so I'll make a final decision on this tomorrow morning, but upon reviewing it that seems like a pretty clear violation of his ban. I'll sort out what to do tomorrow. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 06:01, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Peacemaker67 (talk) 06:06, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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Apologies for any appearance of apathy; most of the last few days has consisted of getting ready for Hurricane Sandy, so it's been crazy enough IRL. Hopefully this turns out to be as minor as I suspect it'll be and I should be back in action. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 08:03, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


Hi Blade, I wanIted to let you know that TheShadowCrow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) has been blocked again for violating his WP:ARBAA2 topic ban. Since edit-warring and baseless accusations (racism) were involved this time I have issued a one-month block. This has also been logged at the AE page. If you feel that the term is too long or was unjustified, please feel free to reblock/unblock. De728631 (talk) 23:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

No objections from me. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:21, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

On the off-chance anyone honestly gives a fuck[edit]

1. I'd be absolutely stunned and 2. FUCK YOU HURRICANE SANDY. No one gives a fuck about my town, so I won't have a connection for any meaningful length of time until we get our power back. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:28, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

So, so sorry for everyone in Sandy's wake. Hope to see you back full time soon. KillerChihuahua?!? 22:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
It must be a very difficult time for a hell of a lot of people. I hope things can get back to (relatively) normal for you guys soon. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:06, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I got really lucky with Sandy; I'm so sorry that she didn't treat everyone as nicely. :( We care; hang in there! Writ Keeper 23:08, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I've known a couple of girls called Sandy over the years, sorry for not warning everyone that a storm of that name was bound to be dramatic. Stay safe and remember, beer is the safe choice when the water supply is dodgy. ϢereSpielChequers 23:16, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Check your email if you're able, Blade. I've got my Sandy-stompin' shoes on and might be able to help you out. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 23:30, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm suprised at your ingratitude, Blade. The Supreme Being visited death and destruction on millions just so you could escape the vicious grip of your sad Wikipedia habit and all you do is kvetch. EEng (talk) 00:56, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Consider yourself stunned. I had a narrow escape this time, but I remember all too well a few years ago the frustration and the despair. Hope you get power soon. Rivertorch (talk) 05:08, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Indeed I am. EEng, I've said pretty much that to the people around me who at least have generators, even if I (albeit rarely) forget it myself. I'm not so bad with losing the Internet (honestly, what I missed the most after e-mail was the picture atop my talkpage), but I'm more than a little nervous at seen 15 power lines with trees resting on them; hey, I still have a house and running water, so we're doing a lot better than the people here. I will say it's entertaining to hear people on the radio rant about how someone got power back before them and it must be a grand conspiracy. In the meantime, I've dedicated myself to sitting outside practicing Japanese and reading Chinese history and philosophy, so hopefully when I'm back I can get the article on the Robber Zhi started. It's nice to be back, even if only for an hour; enjoy my forced Wikibreak while you all can. (I only chose this title for the section header because the original, Hey everybody, wasn't particularly congruous with what I'd written, my spare brain power after reading Kang Youwei and trying to make sense of his Grand Commonality was pretty much shot, and just didn't look quite right on my own talkpage) The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:28, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
And in no way should you feel obligated, but it's be great if a few new voices popped in at WT:MOS#Modification to MOS:IDENTITY; I feel like if I say much more I'll come off as bludgeoning people. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:52, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
No takers there? Honestly can't blame anyone for that. Hopefully by Monday I'll be back full force. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:15, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


This editor has been blocked several times already for edit-warring, particularly at Getaway (film). He seems to have resumed his disruptive activities (i.e. adding the cast list of a totally irrelevant film). You seem to be familiar with the case, so I thought it would be simpler to just bring the matter to your attention directly as opposed to going to ANI with it. The edit itself isn't a bid deal as such, but it's a nuisance and I can't find any evidence of him doing something productive on Wikipedia; it's possible he's a sock of User:MiklosMike too. Betty Logan (talk) 23:08, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm indefinitely blocking now. This has gone long for long enough. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:25, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Eric Dill[edit]

Some recent 'activity' here you may be interested in, and this message from an 'admirer' on the talk page. - 220 of Borg 10:14, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up; looks like whoever it is still hasn't addressed the reason I redirected it (unsourced BLP and all). The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:23, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to add more sources to the biography of Eric Dill. However, it currently redirect to the page of Click Five. Could you please unprotect and I will add relevant statistics and sources to the page! Please contact me as soon as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:55, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


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Thank you for quality admin work, not afraid of a difficult category, and for supporting your peers, - you are an awesome Wikipedian! - --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

ArbCom and you[edit]

Not sure if you've thought of it, or if, maybe, you have some reservations about "outing" yourself, as ArbCom candidates are required to do, or if you just don't want to have to deal with all the headaches involved with being on ArbCom, but there are few people I would think might be better candidates for that role than you. John Carter (talk) 16:35, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

MEMarraMA/draft article UC[edit]

Dear The Blade of the Northern Lights, I'm not here to rant about Wikipedia; nor would I ever ask anyone to "tone down" their language." English has so many fine expletives (best are from Dutch); carry on. It's a living language.

But, near as I can figure out, you're the last of three editors who redirected and/or deleted my post. (It had already been moved to the correct user space; I screwed up making a "sub page" on my user space.) And when I went to the new space to start over, the few paragraphs that survived for two hours have since disappeared.

The message was: A page with this title has previously been deleted. If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the deleting administrator using the information provided below.

18:53, 12 November 2012 The Blade of the Northern Lights (talk | contribs) deleted page MEMarraMA/draft article UC (G6: Housekeeping and routine (non-controversial) cleanup)

Before I try to re-post my work -- now in the correct user space thanks to a James Watson -- I thought I should find out why I ended up in the routine housekeeping bin.

Ummm. Do I give you a summary of what and why I researched and wrote this? I'm betting that noting it's my first Wikipedia post will get me camel-bum nothing. How do I avoid the Big Broom Sweep of Blade of Aurora Borealis??

Thanks for your time. MEMarraMA MEMarraMA (talk) 20:30, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Hey, MEMarraMA! I can't presume to speak for Blade, but I can make a pretty good guess what happened. The article was deleted merely because it was in the wrong place, and you already had a version of it in your userspace as a draft. The name of it ("MEMarraMA/draft article UC") made it pretty clear what you meant to do; you just forgot to stick "User:" on the front of it, so it ended up being a weirdly-named real article instead of a draft in your user space. (As a draft, it should've been called "User:MEMarraMA/draft article UC".) I'm pretty sure it didn't have anything to do with the content of the article, so you don't have to worry about that. :) That "page with this title has previously been deleted" message is automatically generated; it doesn't really mean anything. Does that make sense? Writ Keeper 20:41, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Writ Keeper (aka: Talk Page Stalker), Thanx for the reply on what likely happened with my post-in-progress (to wrong name space ... my goof). Suddenly, my overwhelming paranoia has subsided. Silly newbie, huh. Merci. (Just learned to not dupe my name. Jeesh.) MEMarraMA (talk) 01:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Deleted articles of RedDisneyGuy[edit]

I see that you blocked User:RedDisneyGuy and deleted the pages he created. I don't really understand why some of them were deleted so could you explain it? Boo Blasters on Boo Hill was a notable article that other users and I spent a great deal of time building up so is there any way to get that back? I'd rather not have to rewrite that whole article again...--Astros4477 (talk) 03:51, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

The answer to your first question is here. As to the second; if you want, I can e-mail you a deleted copy, but please be sure you've carefully checked everything first. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:57, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Contributor who is feeling persecuted[edit]

Hi, I'm one of several who has been dealing with a contributor who wants to contribute to articles about persecution of his people. He's making a bit of a mess of it and is currently blocked for socking but I think the circumstances are such that it might warrant some extra effort on our part: it's bad enough that his people are persecuted without him getting a complex about persecution on Wikipedia just because he can't get his head round the system. I thought that you might be able to provide some suggestions at User talk:Salvio giuliano/Archive 57#Arctan371. Assuming, of course, that you have time and that your domestic arrangements are improved on what they were recently! - Sitush (talk) 15:56, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I'm still thinking but am more and more inclined to leave it well alone.

Did you consider the Khandke situation? He's starting what will be yet another long and likely pointless discussion at Talk:International_Association_of_Sanskrit_Studies#Sitush.27s_recent_edits. That entire talk page is full of just the most silly arguing and, alas, it seems to go on wherever Yogesh travels. Eg: his arguing at Drmies's talk page following the recent ANI close, at Fut Perf's page, etc. Bloody frustrating and it is a pattern of long-standing. - Sitush (talk) 09:28, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

That was one of the more painful things I've ever attempted to read... I'll think on it, but I think another topic ban, if not a block, is in the offings here. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
I understand. It is very difficult to determine what is going on, why it is going on and where to draw the line. It is, however, pretty consistent behaviour. Talk:Sudheendra Kulkarni was a classic from earlier this year, especially the "Overlinking" section, which spilled over onto the talk page of LadyofShalott because he's like a dog with a bone. If, as I suspect, there is no reasonable way to handle the situation then so be it. There is certainly no point in rushing at an attempted solution because you will almost certainly have days of protestation to come whatever you do & that will likely draw attention to your abilities as an admin.. - Sitush (talk) 20:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to leave Yogesh a personal message telling him he's on thin ice; I'm sure he's heard that before, but I'm one of the relatively few admins willing to follow through with it. Maybe that will get his attention. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Nikon fx format, Fx format and Fx-format[edit]

Why did you deleted that? They weren't improper, and the speedy deletion tags were used faulty. Tagremover (talk) 03:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

For redirects with improper capitalization, the software will automatically redirect them to the right place; we can leave old ones, but there's no point in leaving recently created ones in place. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
"For redirects with improper capitalization, the software will automatically redirect them to the right place": Wrong in case of direct access via URL. See that url is needed.
Again: Speedy deletion tag was improper. Tagremover (talk) 04:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
1. The chances of there being direct URL access for redirects created only a few hours ago is very minimal, ergo any "damage" is minimal, 2. I'm not sure why you're so concerned about them. As far as I know, there's no Office of speedy deletions, and if you want them restored there's always DRV. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
I do not concern enough to invest my time on it Tagremover (talk) 05:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Just FYI, please also see these two edits, where I tried to explain the reason for the deletion to him as well: [43], [44].
Not from the same string of edits on my side, but related, and possibly the reason why Tagremover found the deletion of the other redirects "faulty": User talk:RHaworth#Nikon_f_mount.
The difference between these two cases is that Nikon f mount exists for a long while, whereas the other redirects were new.
However, given that Tagremover raises the same topic again as a side-issue in a discussion about another disagreement between us (about pipes and links to redirects in general and in particular in the Expeed, DIGIC and Bionz articles), it is not clear, if he really understood the reasoning: User talk:Tagremover#Your removal of redirects in the EAX article.
If you are interested and find the time, perhaps you can offer an independent opinion there as well just to help us solve our conflict without further escalating it. Greetings, --Matthiaspaul (talk) 19:31, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Deleted the page of a living author for having information about the author on it?[edit]

I'm Steve Miller, a longtime writer best known for my science fiction. I've been Guest of Honor at conventions around North America and I wonder why the information posted on a wikipage about myself was deleted? I do exist -- if the information there also appeared elsewhere it was also on the page in order for it to be found in one place.

As it is, you've made it difficult for readers, writers, libraries, and conventions to locate information about me.

What should be done?

--Bechimo (talk) 14:57, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Prem Rawat bans[edit]

Having watched the goings on on that article I can understand a clean slate approach to the article. I don't feel however, that the approach is fair to the editors, some of whom were doing reasonable and neutral work. I am surprised also to see an new editor come in and revert a lot of content on the heels of the topic banns, and Jimbp Wales arrive as well. I have nothing more to say just registering a comment, and over and out on Prem Rawat. Best wishes.(olive (talk) 20:57, 15 November 2012 (UTC))

I am seeing that DeCausa sees my comments as less than friendly. I'm very uncomfortable and somewhat ticked off with some aspects of this, but am sorry that any editors acting in good faith including you feel any kind of discomfort. Not my intention.(olive (talk) 21:31, 15 November 2012 (UTC))
Funny. The Blade of the Northern Light chooses the "nuclear option", to ban a peaceful and moderate editor for "battleground-behavior". Where am I?--Rainer P. (talk) 12:30, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
See the article on nuclear option, I don't think it means what you think it does (though one could certainly argue East Capitol Street, NE and 1st Street, NE Washington, DC is a battleground). The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 15:27, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Well, it says metaphor of a nuclear strike, I think it means just that. I hope your armed forces use their power with more thoughtfulness. This measure was not necessary. The article has been improving slowly but steadily, and civility problems have declined effectively through your supervision and LittleOlive's. So in the end it does appear a little opinionated and over the top. Do you really think that newly surfacing editors can do a better job on the article? An NPOV may emerge in the course of a well mediated debate, not by excluding all competent editors. And where do you detect persistent battleground behavior on my side? Anyway, I would not like to be the last man standing in this scene, so maybe it was an act of mercy to ban me. But you have taken on yourself responsibility, I hope you can rise to the occasion.--Rainer P. (talk) 23:36, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
I concur. Now that you have everyone's focused attention, I hope you might reconsider this action. Rumiton (talk) 09:50, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Whatever you do, PLEASE DO NOT reconsider this action. Momento, Rumiton and Rainer are faithful supporters of Prem Rawat and have been proven committed to relentlessly editing Prem Rawat articles as a team, and driving off anyone everyone who opposes them. Witness the number of editors who have fled over the last 7 years faced with their 'uneducable' unending arguments and twisting of Wikipedia guidelines to suit their agenda. You cannot have people that religiouslycommitted constantly editing an article without equivalent opposition - which WILL be the case and I have proved to be so. My presence there was only to counter their revisionism, so as long as they are gone, I have no desire to be unblocked. In fact it is plainly the best course of action to fully protect the article, as someone on Jimbo Wales' page has opined. This action would make sense if only because CLEARLY no-one has the time ore knowledge or will to police this article to the degree that is necessary. Furthermore yes, discussion is essential before changes are made at the very least. Those who mitigated these religiously motivated editors (notably few) are misinformed and guilty of rushing to a wrong judgement based on superficial perceptions. (mainly because they have no interest in doing the complex research necessary to recognise the depth of insinuation).PatW (talk) 12:32, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
I would also like to offer some enlightenment to Rainer and Rumiton - who rather forlornly protest that they are 'peaceful and moderate' editors. What utter nonsense. It's extremely easy for anyone to retain an air of peace and moderation amongst people who agree with you. Witness again the violent change of temperament when someone who disagrees with and opposes your POV steps in. Talk about Jeckll and Hyde! It's utter hypocrisy to offer up your 'mutually flattering little conversations amongst yourselves' as evidence of 'civility' or 'moderate' character. Every time I have challenged your proposals I have been met with seething venom and sometimes extreme incivility. And then, in a paroxysm of extraordinary hypocrisy you seek to characterise your critics as religion-intolerant extremists. The sooner you recognise that it inevitably becomes a 'battleground' (for which you are inextricably part responsible) when you try to push an apologist agenda where it is unwelcome, the better for all concerned. PatW (talk) 12:54, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── That's exactly what you have been saying for several years, all ad hominem attacks with never a piece of policy to support your opinions. You were banned for creating a battleground. Rainer and I were not. Rumiton (talk) 17:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

You're priceless! I suppose your comment "PatW there certainly is something around here that can make people "physically sick," and it is the stench from your putrescent attitude." is not an ad hominem attack. I hope you use some of your 'time-out' to consider the meaning of the word 'hypocrisy'.PatW (talk) 21:37, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
You are doing it again, providing half the story. You left out the fact that I immediately deleted and disowned that comment, which was made only after years of your goading, and you reinstated it twice because it suited your point of view and enabled you to go on crying victimisation, when you are the only one doing that. And for the record, I am not religiously motivated. In my private life I am an outspoken atheist, which makes your constant mischaracterisations even more repugnant. Rumiton (talk) 16:04, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Feel free to continue this on my Talk Page. I doubt if Blade wants this here. I would point out though that if you accept the scholars view that Rawat heads a New Religious Movement (NRM) then it is not unreasonable to suppose that followers of his teachings and practices, such as yourself, are motivated by your appreciation of that religion. I see no need to split hairs further here over whether or not you're a 'religious' atheist etc. Richard Dawkins Science is often referred to as 'The New Religion'. Make of that what you will.PatW (talk) 12:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Due process[edit]

You say I can appeal my ban at AE but what has this to do with Arb Com?Momento (talk) 06:37, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


I was under the impression that the article would remain in the new location so I could rewrite it. I even explained my intention was to do bio for listing Legion of Merit. I asked both on help page and the page talk for deletion for your help and suggestions. I now have nothing to refer to. Do I just start over with a new bio? I can't find my last question to you either. I explained that the "Legion of Merit" is a prestigious award usually given to higher ranks then Major. I'm trying to get him into Wikipedia for Military accomplishments but mostly Legion of Merit. --Kimcarysgram (talk) 13:24, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

2625 Sqn[edit]

I note that the Wikipedia page for 2625 (County of Cornwall) Sqn R.Aux.A.F Regiment was 'deleted' in August due to copyright infringement issues. The site which is listed as being copied is our Squadron website. I believe the creator of the Wikipedia article also created the Squadron website. I have contacted the admin of the Squadron site to give permission for the material to be reused- please can you say how this needs to be carried out? The log also shows another admin deleted the page in Oct- do I need to contact him as well? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlieannear (talkcontribs) 15:32, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

  • (talk page stalker) Beware of WP:COI and WP:PROMO. Also, Wikipedia cannot typically accept copyrighted materials: if it appears on the website, it's copyrighted ... although see donating copyright materials. Beware, if someone (not you due to COI) creates the article, it can be mercilessly edited beyond what you expect. Also keep in mind that any article requires sourcing and the squadron website is not a reliable source for information. Finally, remember notability is most important (✉→BWilkins←✎) 11:57, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring by Logiphile continues[edit]

S/he made a major change, which I reverted because I thought it needed a consensus first, and it just got put back in again [45] without any explanation. This editor has shown no ability to edit collaboratively on this topic. --Jprg1966 (talk) 21:36, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Image help[edit]

Hi there! I was wondering if you could help me with some images. Firstly, File:Sharon Case as Sharon.png was orphaned quite a while ago and it says it will be deleted after 4 November, but it still exists and wasn't deleted. Secondly, File:Hunter Tylo as Taylor Hayes.jpg contains a long list of past revisions, so is it possible for the previous ones to be deleted? Let me know. Many thanks in advance! Regards, Creativity97 00:18, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC)