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How is this image any different to other non-free images used on other Simpsons articles? Gerry (talk) 05:37, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

It isn't. We just haven't gotten around to deleting the other images. Theleftorium (talk) 14:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hootsuite

See its talkpage discussion. There is no assertion of notaility as it fails WP:WEB and is a recreation. ----moreno oso (talk) 21:15, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

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I'd like a second opinion

Could you compare this article expansion to the EB source? It's looking like a problematic close paraphrase to me since it even follows the same structure, but something's bugging me about tagging it so I thought I'd run it past someone else. :/ VernoWhitney (talk) 22:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. I don't really see it. Can you give some examples? Theleftorium (talk) 07:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
After looking through it again today I think most of what caught my eye was the same topics in the same order, but I did notice at least a couple of obvious overlaps, such as article:

One of the first scientific descriptions of the mountains was published in 1770–71. The region was studied by such Russian scientists as geologist Alexander Karpinsky, botanist P.N. Krylov and zoologist L.P. Sabaneev, as well as by the German naturalist Alexander von Humboldt and the English geologist Sir Roderick Murchison. Murchison had compiled the first geologic map of the Urals in 1841.

and source:

The first serious scientific study of the Urals was made in 1770–71. Scholars studying the Urals during the 19th century included several Russian scientists, such as the geologist A.D. Karpinsky, the botanist P.N. Krylov, and the zoologist L.P. Sabaneev, and also such prominent foreign scholars as the German naturalist Alexander von Humboldt and the English geologist Sir Roderick Murchison, who compiled the first geologic map of the Urals in 1841.

along with article:

Most lakes are concentrated in the eastern slope of the Southern and Central Urals, such as the Uvildy, Itkul, Turgoyak, and Tavatuy lakes. The western slope also has lakes, but those are significantly smaller. The lakes of Polar Ural fill deep glacial valleys, the deepest being the Lake Bolshoye Shchuchye (136 m or 446 feet). Some lakes have medicinal muds and the associated spas and sanatoriums.

and source:

There are many lakes, especially on the eastern slope of the Southern and Central Urals. The largest are Uvildy, Itkul, Turgoyak, and Tavatuy. On the western slope are many small karst lakes. In the Polar Urals, lakes occur in glacial valleys, the deepest of them being Lake Bolshoye Shchuchye, at 446 feet deep. Medicinal muds are common in a number of the lakes, such as Moltayevo, and spas and sanatoriums have been established.

VernoWhitney (talk) 10:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Hmm... I can't really decide if that's problematic or not. It's borderline, though. I think it's best to ask Moonriddengirl. Sorry that I couldn't be of more help. Theleftorium (talk) 11:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it's kind of borderline. I don't think I'd tag, but do what I always do in such cases: "If in doubt, write the content yourself, thereby creating a new copyrighted work which can be included in Wikipedia without trouble." Before I take a shot at it, let me ask: are there other passages that seem particularly troublesome? I could review it myself, but I'm being lazy. And having a lot to do both in RL and on Wikipedia. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:38, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I'll look over it again later, and see what else pops out at me. VernoWhitney (talk) 16:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
After looking it over again, I spotted one other section that bugs me more than the rest. Article:

After World War II, a plutonium-producing facility was established in the Southern Urals in Chelyabinsk-40 and Chelyabinsk-65 (now Ozyorsk. It produced plutonium from 1949 until 1990. In the 1950s-60s, the plant regularly dumped much radioactive waste into the Techa River and Lake Karachay, and the accidents brought more radioactive pollution. In 1957, 23,000 square kilometers (9,000 square mi) were contaminated as a result of a storage tank explosion.


Following World War II the Soviet Union established a plutonium-producing facility in the Southern Urals near what is now Ozersk, Russia. It produced its first plutonium in 1949 and continued production until 1990. During the first decade of its operation, the plant dumped large amounts of radioactive waste into the Techa River and the nearby Lake Karachay. A number of serious accidents at the plant caused the release of additional radioactive material into the environment; for example, in 1957 the explosion of a storage tank resulted in the contamination of 9,000 square miles (23,000 square kilometres) of land. Consequently, the inhabitants of the region have suffered increased rates of cancer and other major health problems.

Everything else has been reorganized and mixed around more than these three I pointed out, so if the two of you feel that even these are borderline then the remainder should be fine. VernoWhitney (talk) 23:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Well, that was no easy task. :/ Some of the passages went beyond borderline, but I think just barely. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the extra work (and that we couldn't fix it without you), but thanks for cleaning it up. VernoWhitney (talk) 02:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Good job

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For your invaluable contributions to evaluating and addressing copyright concerns in this CCI. Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:36, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Closed today. Whoot! Thanks so much. I hate sports. :P --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:36, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Phew... finally! Thanks for the barnstar. Theleftorium (talk) 21:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Non-free videos

Hi, I was wondering if you could provide some feedback for my question at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions#Non-free videos? Thanks. Gezzza talk 12:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

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Ivo Widlak

Could you please undelete this article? We have received OTRS permission for it which I can add as soon as it is restored. I'd ask the deleting admin except they appear to be very sporadic with their edits. VernoWhitney (talk) 22:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Done, but blanked with OTRS pending on it. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:04, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, even though I was asking here so as not to bother you... VernoWhitney (talk) 01:10, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Don't worry about it; Left is apparently out of office right now, and I'm nosy. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
lol! Sorry Verno, I'm usually not on past 22:00 UTC. That's sleepy time. :P Theleftorium (talk) 07:46, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Anna-Lena Löfgren

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Can you handle this CP listing?

Wanås Castle. Supposedly an unusably close paraphrase of [1]. Rather than go through google translate, I thought you might, well, you know. Just read it? :) It's listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2010 July 4. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:51, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's definitely too closely paraphrased. The structure is almost exactly the same as that source. Are you taking care of it, or should I? Theleftorium (talk) 16:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
If you've got time, I'd be grateful. I'm a couple of days behind on CP. :/ --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Done. Theleftorium (talk) 16:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much! And that's done for the 4th. :) In addition my break-neck speed, I figured it would be good to have you involved since you may be able to better explain the issue to the contributor. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


Hey, Scorpion appears away, can you help me identify a voice on commentary for The Wizard of Evergreen Terrace just after 18:55 can you tell me the two people who visit the real Edison museum? I can't tell the ones voice and the other person he is referring to. Thanks, CTJF83 chat 18:10, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Sure. I'll do it in about an hour. But I'm not that good at recognizing voices either, though. Theleftorium (talk) 18:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thanks, CTJF83 chat 18:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
It's Mark Kirkland (the guy on the commentary) and Matthew Nastuk. Theleftorium (talk) 19:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thank you, I tried like 10 different spellings of Matt's last name and couldn't find it. Do you have a few mins to review before I GAC? CTJF83 chat 19:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Sure. I'll take a look. Theleftorium (talk) 19:28, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
The article could use some more work. I found two sources that should be used: [2] and [3]. Do you mind if I work on the article a bit this week? Theleftorium (talk) 20:13, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Please do, you don't have to ask to improve a page :). Might as well add to your GA number! :-D CTJF83 chat 20:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for your help! Is it ready for GAC now? CTJF83 chat 18:39, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Pretty much, I just need to incorporate the sources I listed above. :P I'll try to do it this weekend. Theleftorium (talk) 18:43, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Ok :) CTJF83 chat 18:45, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, the temp has been crazily high the past two days (up to 40 degrees). My apartment is boiling hot so I haven't been able to stay inside and work on the article. Looks like its cooling down a bit this week though, so I'll do it sometime in the next few days. :) Theleftorium (talk) 07:55, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Nominated: [4]. Theleftorium (talk) 19:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Damn!! That is horribly hot!! Thanks for your help. CTJF83 chat 21:14, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Jon O'Bir

Since you actually beat me to the punch while I was AFK, I took the liberty of revdeleting the old revisions for you :) MLauba (Talk) 15:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! :) So we're allowed to do multiple revdels at a time now? Theleftorium (talk) 17:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Shrug. The deletion log is full of them, and while I don't want to start a fight, I nevertheless can't help but think that a single individual does not consensus make. MLauba (Talk) 17:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Deletion discussion

Hi, I was wondering if I could get your input on this. Thanks. d'oh! talk 16:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

The image should be kept. Film posters/cover art are allowed for identification per WP:NFCI. Theleftorium (talk) 19:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your take on this. :) d'oh! talk 02:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


Hi, Leftorium you are incorrect on your assumption. I'm an avid cricket fan and so is my family. However the picture I have of Hanif Mohammad was not mine and therefore I've removed it from his infobox but you can delete the file as I don't know where it is stored. Wiki id2(talk) 09:32, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Because I've uploaded the images onto my Flickr account and sell some of them to these websites. These are my images I'm the holder and the flickr one wa a freebie the others I've sold of. E.g. cricistan is a website used by Pakistanis to find information about their cricket team. Wiki id2(talk) 10:50, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
The name is paddynapper. Wiki id2(talk) 11:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Why should I. I only want them to be used on wikipedia. Because it's there with my knowledge and has my full consent. I'm happy with the content on my flickr account. If I do change the rights then it could be used on other websites. I don't want that. These are my pictures I own them and have there rights. There are many other notable paksitani crickters whose pictures I don't have e.g. Kamran Akmal and Mushtaq Mohammad, Ijaz Ahmed, Rameez Raja, Aaqib Javed, Javed Miandad and Asif Iqbal and they don't have pictures on wikipedia which are uploaded by me. Wiki id2(talk) 11:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
If your point is correct then in the image licensing why is there an option that says "All rights reserved". So if your point is correct why is that option available if I change the licensing of the images to all rights reserved and the content still can't be used by anyone but me! You are incorrect in the licensing saga as well Wiki id2(talk) 11:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
You said that "A Wikipedia-only license is not acceptable on this website. Wikipedia's goal is to provide content that anyone can use. If you don't want others to use your images than they will have to be deleted." So if your statement is correct I can upload an image and in the licensing section rather than the current license on the wikipedia I can change it to "All rights reserved" so if that option is available (that I can change my image license to all rights reserved]) then the statment above in quotes isnt' valid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki id2 (talkcontribs)
No thats not correct I can provide copyrighted images of a person because I own those images. They are under my control. It doesnt say that in the terms and conditions. Wiki id2(talk) 11:47, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Have a look at this example he is a living person and his image has been copyrighted. Wiki id2(talk) 11:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
I see in that case I'll change the license to all rights reserved for certain images which are more valuable to me than others e.g. Mohammad Sami and Mohammad Aamer as I've spent more time taking a good picture Wiki id2(talk) 11:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes I can I own them show me where it says that specifically in the terms and conditions. I can reserve the rights of my image. It's my freedom and my right you can't take that right from me and it doesn't exist in the wikipedia terms and conditions I've sent you an example of Sebastian Vettel above there are many other Images with a same setting as mine. Wiki id2(talk) 12:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Copy and Paste

Hey, the page to which you alluded was copied and pasted, because I couldn't initially find the "move" feature in the new interface. After that, I did successfully move the remaining pages. Thanks for your concern, though. Geoboe84 (talk) 20:32, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Joel Kinnaman

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RE: Last Day of Summer(film)

Thanks for your message. My mistake. In looking at the page history, apparently I had earlier looked at an older verison and failed to check for revisions. Thanks for removing the copyvio tag. Cresix (talk) 23:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


Och tack för att du skriver artiklar om Svenska filmer etc. Hoppas du kommer fortsätta med det trots din nya roll som admin, grattis förresten! Själv brukar jag mest göra mindre redigeringar som att lägga till infoboxar eftersom jag inte är nån kung på att skriva på engelska. --Skizziktalk 09:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Ali Kids Campus

Okay. Can you tell me where I can find a criteria for notability of academic institutions/schools? The Ali Kids Campus article is a two line article with no sources at all and is only a day care center. It has hardly any notability in its region. Thanks! Farjad0322 (talk) 14:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Silliman memorial lectures

I don't think you bothered to look at the discussion page before you accused me of using copyright material. I pointed out there that the section in question had been used for at least 100 years and was therefore out of copyright.

An example is at - look at page v. The book is called Irritability and was published in 1913.

I am a little cautious about simply rolling back your change. I followed CorenSearchBot's instruction and it didn't succeed in discouraging you. So what should I do? It seems silly to paraphrase the material which is definitely not within copyright restrictions. Chris55 (talk) 19:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

ok. I've used the 1913 version and put in the right citation. Ok? Chris55 (talk) 20:47, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Have now put in a source-attribution. Could I suggest that you liaise with the author of CorenSearchBot to improve the message it leaves? Thanks. Chris55 (talk) 09:16, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Joel Kinnaman

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It took along itme but it is finally done, I have cleared the three day backlog of SCV ! :)Acather96 (talk) 09:29, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow, nice work! Thanks. :) Theleftorium (talk) 09:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Edward Dick

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Dr. Dre producing for Justin Beiber

Why did you remove this fact from the Justin Beiber page? It was sourced by a reliable source. If this was a mistake I have readded it. Red Flag on the Right Side 21:08, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

OTRS pending

Hi. :) Just wanted to remind you to blank pages that come up at SCV when the contributor places {{OTRS pending}} on the talk page. That reduces mirroring if they don't follow through. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try to do that from now on. :) I've been busy all afternoon looking through the contributions of a user who has repeatedly inserted copyrighted content since 2006. A CCI might be needed, although I'm not quite sure yet. :/ Theleftorium (talk) 14:55, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Yikes. :/ Solidarity. I spent the morning reviewing an IP who has only been here about a month, really, but done an amazing lot in that time. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Courtesy notice

[5] Please provide a better edit summary - not being ready is fine, but claiming that one has to be a major contributor to nom for GA is not. Thanks. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 21:35, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

That's not what I meant. What I'm saying is that it's common courtesy to ask the main contributors before nominating an article. I know that User:Esuzu is still working on the article (although he's been rather inactive this month) and he's only been able to work on the Biography section so far. The Linnaean taxonomy and Commemoration sections are still almost completely unreferenced and require more work. The article is therefore not ready yet. Theleftorium (talk) 21:57, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Okay, fine. :) [6] Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 22:04, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. BTW, I hope you didn't take it as a jab at you. I just don't want the GA reviewer to waste time reviewing the article when it is still "undergoing construction". :) Theleftorium (talk) 22:10, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Joel Kinnaman

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Re: Oakley

Thanks. Still get a bit to do on it and then it'll be off to GAN. Shame I can't find a super reliable source for the birthdate, or anything mentioning that (what I think has happened) Oakley and Weinstein have had some kind of falling out and don't work together anymore. Gran2 14:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Hubbards Foods

Sorry, but what claim to notability? "Its founder is Dick Hubbard, who stepped down as CEO from 2004-2007 to serve as the mayor of Auckland." is the nearest thing - and so? He stepped down to become mayor. What's that got to do with the notability of the company? That's him personally. The article is just a vanity/spam thing, which I have been watching for a while. There's no attempt to reference it, and it consists mainly of a product list. Peridon (talk) 20:48, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, there's a COI username been editing there recently. I say vanity. Peridon (talk) 20:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Replied at your talk page. Theleftorium (talk) 21:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Article looking better now - I do this sometimes to stir people into action. Speedy and AfD work the best - prod doesn't seem to have the same impact. BTW, I don't patrol new pages as such - I patrol new accounts, which isn't quite the same. I do patrol new account userpages, which until Mean as custard came on the scene were rather neglected. Peridon (talk) 21:48, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Snabba Cash (film)

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Hi, I like to bring something to your attention as I have no idea what to do. DeMatador seems to be going to some articles and adding {{Good article}} to articles without GA status [7][8] and there maybe others. d'oh! talk 10:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll leave a note on his talk. Can you revert the edits? Theleftorium (talk) 10:44, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Yep, I started reverting the edits. d'oh! talk 10:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Stark Raving Dad

Thanks for watching the page, though the FAC appears to be heading for a no consensus. I have improved the rationale for the image, and hopefully it now works better. I'll be around for the next two weeks or so, then I'm off again until September. -- Scorpion0422 15:46, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Bart's House of Weirdness

Hey, absolutely! Glad to see you're putting some work into that one. It's not very long, so here is the full text. BOZ (talk) 03:46, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

The Simpsons: Bart’s House of Weirdness

Konami PC/MS-DOS version $49.95 Without a doubt, Bart’s House of Weirdness is one of the best arcade games we’ve played. It also happens to be one Konami’s best products!

As Bart Simpson, you have six adventures to complete. Each time you encounter an alien or a bug and it bumps into your character, the Cool-O-Meter reveals a loss of coolness. Find a cool item, and you increase your coolness. With such weapons as a Burp Gun, Water Balloons, or Spray Gun, you can (using your joy stick or keyboard) keep the bugs away from you for a time.

Hey, don’t have a cow—this is really a fun arcade game. You not only get to participate in Bart’s favorite TV show, but you also help Maggie find her ball as well as find Krusty in Krustyland. There are two modes for your joy stick. The first mode is best applied to adventures where shooting skill is required, and the second is for adventures where jumping is necessary. This game is available for EGA and MCGA/CGA, and can use either AdLib, Roland, or SoundBlaster sound. With superb Roland sound (the TV show theme and opening animations are quite good) and smooth animation, our only wish is that Konami would consider releasing this fine arcade delight with full VGA support sometime in the future. If you like Bart and really enjoy arcade games, you have to get this one.

Hey, that's great to hear - good luck!  :) BOZ (talk) 13:34, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Also, I've been thinking about this one. It seems like it might need more expansion, as it's a bit short, but it may pass GA anyway. One VG article I worked up to GA mostly by myself was Pool of Radiance, although Bart probably doesn't need to be anywhere that long. :) I would say you might want to find at least one screenshot, though. BOZ (talk) 02:15, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Lisa's Wedding

I noticed that there seems to be edit warring. While I agree with the reverts due to a lack of notable sources, I recently found one that is now listed on the Discussion page. I hope that helps solve the issue. Best!Luminum (talk) 21:50, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

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Glass Joe

Original Barnstar.png Thanks for filling those references in! :) - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:31, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Heh, no need to thank me. It just took me a minute or two with Reflinks. :) Nice work on the article BTW! Theleftorium (talk) 19:35, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Lisa Siwe

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DYK for Glowing Stars

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DYK for Dramatiska Institutet

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Romanization for words of English origin

On the MOS:JP talk page, a discussion has been started about including or not including romanizations for words of English origin, such as Fainaru Fantajī in Final Fantasy (ファイナルファンタジー, Fainaru Fantajī) (for the sake of simplicity, I called this case "words of English origin", more information on semantics here).

Over the course of a month, it has become apparent that both the parties proposing to include or not include those romanizations cannot be convinced by the arguments or guidelines brought up by the other side. Therefore, a compromise is trying to be found that will satisfy both parties. One suggestion on a compromise has been given already, but it has not found unanimous agreement, so additional compromises are encouraged to be suggested.

One universally accepted point was to bring more users from the affected projects in to help achieve consensus, and you were one of those selected in the process.

What this invitation is:

  • You should give feedback on the first suggested compromise and are highly encouraged to provide other solutions.

What this invitation is not:

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It would be highly appreciated if you came over to the MOS:JP talk page and helped find a solution. Thank you in advance. Prime Blue (talk) 11:38, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

RE Copy right

i have restored a huge chunk of the section and eliminated all in my eyes site of copy right but plese adress me if i am wrong. --Pedro J. the rookie 20:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help Left you helped me out of a prob. --Pedro J. the rookie 21:09, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
I will try to get one, thanks left :D. --Pedro J. the rookie 21:23, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Left tell me those this artical look good enough for GA. --Pedro J. the rookie 09:48, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Theleftorium. As a Representative of BIPAC I have sent permission to copy material already online to Wikipedia and have OTRS pending. I went to add it to the page which was deleted out from under me. How do I restore the old version or do I need to create a new one? I am a wiki noob so I apologize if I messed up.

Yudanashi (talk) 20:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

User Arpanmehra

You blocked Arpanmehra (talk · contribs), which didn't last long, see Arpanversatile (talk · contribs). I'm blocking as WP:DUCK. Let me know if you have any problems with that. Dougweller (talk) 12:45, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. It looks like he tried to contest the block on June 30 [9], but didn't do it correctly so it went unnoticed. It's obvious that he didn't learn from that block so I definitely don't have any problems with the new block. Thanks. :) Theleftorium (talk) 14:41, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


These are just some of the known sockpuppets I was able to uncover:

I did an IP Whois lookup, and they all pointed to Amsterdam, Netherlands.

Some of the things that User:Ajdebre has in common with the sockpuppets are that he posts references from Google Books from their Swedish servers.

Ajdebre is also obsessed with putting the Latin and Greek transliterations of the medieval rulers of Serbian lands.

All-in-all, Ajdrebre and these supposed sockpuppets of his are known to edit articles regarding Medieval Serbian history, and even Serbian culture judging from the range of contributions made by some of the users listed. The most recent sockpuppet, Kovac09, has not made and edit since 3 August 2010, but I do believe that Ajdebre will strike again sometime soon if not later. I admit, I should have notified the Administrators' noticeboard with this information, but I did not for the reason that, disregarding the fact that he has made several copyright violations, the edits he has made have been very helpful in providing knowledge of a topic that is very vast yet minimal here on Wikipedia. I hope this information will further help with your (ongoing?) investigation. Cheers! --Kilibarda (talk) 20:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

The Greatest Story Ever Doh'd

Hello Lefty.

I've restored the edits to the pop culture references, as they are incredibly obvious; I can well see some obsccurity requiring a reference but if such obvious things had to have a reference, wouldn't there be one footnote with every item in the plot? An example is Homer singing lyrics to Maurice Jarre's theme to Lawrence of Arabia. What reference should be quoted? The tune is obvious and fits in the story. To those who haven't heard of Lawrence of Arabia,The Greatest Story Ever Told or the Golden Calf can see the films or look things up for themselves. When the tour guide talks about shooting people at Entebbe a person not knowing what he is talking about can see the Wikipedia link. What reference as a footnote would be made for that? Shall we limit every footnote of popular culture to an official press release or interview?

Yes, there are people who have a variety of obscure theories that would require justification, and some producers may want to disguise their references lest they face a lawsuit, but a spoof is protected. The references will add to a reader's education and let them enjoy the episodes once they see them several times.Foofbun (talk) 23:54, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I'm sorry but that's not how Wikipedia works. Please read the second paragraph in Wikipedia:No original research. You're right about Lawrence of Arabia though, that is also original research and I've removed it. Unless it explicitly stated in the episode, we can't use it without a source. Theleftorium (talk) 08:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

How to comment at copyright problems?

I am beginning to pay attention to the Copyright problems page, and I noticed you edit there. I want to point out that the CorenSearchBot seems to have a false positive with Kubrilesque, but the article has other problems, namely conflict of interest and no citation to independent sources to show notability. I have explained the issues at the article talk page, but would like your help with the best way to make a notation at the copyright problems page. Jc3s5h (talk) 23:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi. :) If you find a false positive at WP:SCV, just make a small note underneath it such as "No copyright concern: false positive" (it seems User:VernoWhitney has already done this with Kubrilesque, though). Template:SCV is really useful for that. As for the COI and notability issues, those should generally not be noted at WP:SCV. Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard is probably better, or you can just nominate the article at AfD. Regards, Theleftorium (talk) 08:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Bart's House of Weirdness

RlevseTalk 06:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Itchy & Scratchy in Miniature Golf Madness

RlevseTalk 12:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


Wow, that's excellent news! Would you be pushing your luck to ask for a few other people? ;) Gran2 16:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh well, hopefully you can get these images through. Anyway, as it's midnight and I'm not capable of fighting writing a rationale policy-backed argument, could you talk to this guy please? Gran2 23:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Heh, I'm sorry but it's even later here: 01:16. I have to get some sleep now. :) I've given him another warning, though. Theleftorium (talk) 23:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Patrick Karegeya

I saw you checked and cleared this one, reported by CorenSearchBot as a copyvio. I have had these inexplicable bot warnings before, and find them annoying and disturbing. The bot owner does not respond to requests for explanation. Is there a forum where the bot can be discussed? My guess is that 5% of the bot's logic gets 99% of the readily detectable problems, straight cut-and-paste issues, and there is another 95% of the logic that tries to be smarter, does not work well and causes damage. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:36, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry about that. I would contact Coren, but he hasn't edited since July 20. There is a sneaky way you can avoid the bot though: create articles in your userspace and then move them directly to the namespace. That way they don't show up on Special:NewPages. :) Theleftorium (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but this one is really bugging me. I suppose I can personally find work-arounds or just ignore the occasional warning, but I would prefer an open community discussion before accepting that the bot cannot and should not be improved. We are desperately short of serious editors, and this kind of unjustified slap in the face is destructive. I will write an essay, post it somewhere and invite comment. Thanks anyway, Aymatth2 (talk) 22:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Leif Ourston

Ha - beat me to reverting myself! Thanks.--BelovedFreak 20:48, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Heh, no worries. :) Theleftorium (talk) 20:49, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


If A7 doesn't apply then what applies? The other tags are much less related to schools than A7(organizations etc.).--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 10:15, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

CSBot notices

Hi. After conversation with Aymatth2 at my talk page, I've made some changes to the Bot notices: Template:Csb-pageincludes, Template:Csb-notice-pageincludes and Template:Csb-notice-pageincluded. I'd really appreciate feedback on that, since I don't have the option of talking to Coren about it (he hasn't answered my recent e-mail; hope all is well with him!). The conversation is at User_talk:Moonriddengirl#Request for Comment. The changes were implemented to try to help soften the blow of false positives, because all of us who read Coren's talk page know how very irritating they can be to people. The Bot is important, but we don't want it biting any more than necessary. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Any opinion? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks much. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Drovethrughosts' images

I'm going through Special:Log/upload/Drovethrughosts and tagging them all with {{Di-replaceable fair use}}. It's a shame the template doesn't allow for saying why the images are replaceable though. Matthewedwards :  Chat  15:45, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Good idea, but maybe you should let User:Drovethrughosts know about it first? Theleftorium (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiCup/2011 signups

First two years running? That's brilliant. J Milburn (talk) 18:10, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I guess I'm lucky. :) I'll probably just participate in the first two rounds like this year, though. I don't edit articles as much as I used to, and I mostly do DYKs these days. Theleftorium (talk) 18:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

United Autosports

Could you undelete this article? OTRS permission came through and the deleting admin is infrequently active. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Green tickY Done. Theleftorium (talk) 17:47, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
And now tagged. Thanks! VernoWhitney (talk) 17:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Bartman Meets Radioactive Man

Courcelles 18:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


Hey, since you're tired of episodes, do you want to help me prove a point by getting all those AfD characters up to GA, possibly exception Radioactive Man. CTJF83 chat 19:58, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe. I'll start with adding sources first. Theleftorium (talk) 20:13, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I have 0 character experience, so will follow your guidance. CTJF83 chat 20:14, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Here's the full text of the TV Guide source used in the article. You can double up the commentary sources with a third-party source, and it's got some bits for the in-universe sections. Note: It says "Azaria has proposed there be an episode featuring Frink's father", which isn't exactly the same as the article now. Probably best to say he conceived the idea and it was later used for "Treehouse of Horror XIV":

Professor John Frink

Wacky genius with IQ of 199, 81 points below Steven Hawkings. Works and teaches at Springfield Heights Institute of Technology. His inventions, which never work, include mood pants, the Hoax-a-Scope, the Frinkiac-7 computer and the 77X42 Super Sour Ball. (Voiced by Hank Azaria.)

Memorable line: "Sorry I'm late. There was trouble at the lab with the running and the exploding and the crying when the monkeys stole the glasses off my head."

First appearance: March 28, 1991, "Old Money," in which he tries to solicit a $106,000 grant from Grampa Simpson for the purpose of building a prototype death ray that, for the moment, he somewhat dejectedly admits, "only has evil applications."

The scoop: Named after Simpsons supervising producer John Frink. The voice, Azaria confesses, is a rip-off of Jerry Lewis's "Nutty Professor" character. In fact, Azaria has proposed there be an episode featuring Frink's father, who would be voiced by Lewis himself. Frink's scenes almost always reduce the writers and actors to laughter. Groening says: "He was just written as a mad scientist character until Hank did the voice, and suddenly he became this nutty professor persona. What I love about Hank is that, you give him a single line - and most of these characters have very few lines - and he just brings it to life. Every time."

Oh and two reception links: [10], [11]. Enjoy, Gran2 22:08, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll see if I can find some more stuff tomorrow. To be frank, Frink is the only one worth saving. We should rebrand Radioactive Man so the comic is the primary focus. Dr. Nick, Cletus and Wolfcastle really are not worth fighting over. They will work fine as a nicely sourced section of the list. They're not really developed characters, all three are basically one joke. Lionel Hutz could be saved though. But, I'm amazed the guy didn't nominate Martin Prince (an article I thought we'd already got rid of) and Hans Moleman. Both of those are far less notable than the ones he did nominate. Gran2 22:27, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Sounds like a plan. This AFD highlights the one thing I hate about this place. We don't really get any praise at all for the work we do, but then when somebody nominates a Simpsons page for deletion, you get all these people popping up with "good riddance, there's too many Simpsons articles, they don't belong here, they're all cruft, great to see them be deleted etc." It's so frustrating when almost always we're the ones trying to get rid of the stuff... It makes me wonder when I bother. Gran2 22:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Here's a source for reception of Frink's inventions: [12] Gran2 09:29, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

What was wrong with User:NoD'ohnuts's GACs? On quick glance they looked ok to me. CTJF83 chat 22:27, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Bad prose, incorrect reference formatting, unreliable sources, minor MOS violations, small production sections. That's about it. :P Theleftorium (talk) 07:53, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh, is that all? LOL, are you going to work on getting them to GAC? CTJF83 chat 15:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't think so. Although I'd be happy to give some comments if they go through a peer review. Theleftorium (talk) 15:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Contact Center Egypt CCE

You have deleted the article i created for Contact Center Egypt (CCE) due to copyrights infringement while I'm the owner of the website u stated for copyrights and I can donate the copyrights to wiki !!

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DYK for Bart Simpson's Escape from Camp Deadly

The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


I was looking through the AfDs, and Twilight Dementia was deleted already, can you check to see if this is a G4 or an A7 (again). CTJF83 chat 17:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Um, I think you should read Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2010_August_10#Twilight_Dementia again. The article about the band was deleted and the album was kept. :P Theleftorium (talk) 17:35, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
At least one of us can read! :) CTJF83 chat 17:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Johan Christoffer Boklund

The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

South Gower RFC deletion

Hello, this is the second time this club was deleted. First it was deleted for copyright from their website by JamesBWatson, but as I am the Chairman, i hold the copyright so that was not a problem. Secondly you deleted it as not a notable entry - this facility supports 500 members, is frequently in the local press and the ex Captain of Wales - Paul Thorburn played for the club which makes it notable - not just in the local community but in Wales. I have massively changed the text from the initial entry to ensure it is not an advertisement and it just lists the facts and notable players. I would appreciate it if is re-instated please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brockaro (talkcontribs) 08:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Maggie Roswell

Courcelles 18:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Maggie Roswell

Hi. :) Permission is complete for the solo image. Has this been uploaded yet? If so, I'll go ahead and log it. If not, let me know when it is, and I'll take care of it ASAP. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh my God! Thank you so, so much! :) The Simpsons WikiProject has been looking for an image of her for years. I never thought emailing her would work. The file is located here: File:Maggie Roswell.jpg. I'll nominate File:Maggie Roswell and Hal Rayle 2010.jpg for deletion since we won't really need it. Theleftorium (talk) 18:13, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Too bad the article has already appeared in the DYK section (see below). If it hadn't the image could have been featured on the main page. :) Theleftorium (talk) 18:15, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh, well. At least the article has a really nice picture. :) I'll just track down a Commons admin to delete the other image. The one that's been cleared is good to go, and I will leave you the thrill of placing it. :D Go you, with your initiative! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:23, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I see you tagged it for speedy. I just confirmed. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! By the way, have you sent anything to Maggie since you received the email from the photographer? Theleftorium (talk) 18:28, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh, yes. I had to ask her to specify the license, and after she did I said a pleased thank you. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:42, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Great, thanks (again)! I think I'll send her a "thank you-note" too and let her know that the image has been added to the article. Theleftorium (talk) 18:44, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice. I'll add it to the gallery. Are you going to nominate her article (and Professor Frink)? Gran2 18:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

User:White Shadows/German U-boat bases in occupied France

Hey there! I'd like to take another crack at User:White Shadows/German U-boat bases in occupied France. you probably remember the issues about close paraphrasing with this article/sandbox and I want to get it moved back to the mainspace but I'm not sure how to re-word the text. Are you free to help me out here? All the best,--White Shadows Nobody said it was easy 20:05, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi! Sure, I can help you out with a few paragraphs. Although I don't have time today, so it will have to wait until tomorrow or Friday. :) Theleftorium (talk) 20:08, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I'll wait. Thanks for offering to assist me. I've found a few more on-line sources as well and I have a book that could help out a bit.--White Shadows Nobody said it was easy 20:18, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


I recently used Twinkle. How do I use it properly? BTW, I don't know what to do... I'm just inexperienced. AboundingHinata talk 21:40, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Do you have time to help?

Hi. I've got a matter of some sensitivity going on that I'd like to take care of somewhat swiftly. Basically, we're looking to see if a CCI is needed. I would really like an additional set of eyes on this. For background, see this talk thread. The long and short of it is that I have a list of 40 articles at User:Moonriddengirl/sandbox that need to be evaluated. Can you evaluate some of them? And if so, how many and which ones do you want? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:07, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'll try to do "Articles 781 through 800". Theleftorium (talk) 15:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much. :) I'll do the others. I think this is just too big an issue to rest on one copyright admin's opinion. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I won't be able to check any more articles today. It doesn't look like a CCI is needed in my opinion. See my comment about Miss Pittsburgh, though. Theleftorium (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your help! I'll take a look at that one after I finish the one I'm combing through. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:55, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. About that one, IIRC, I thought that the primary source was US federal, so pd. But now I cannot find anything about it being federal, only county, and I am not sure if this is pd - so I rewrote anyway as part of my pass updating some old contribs of mine to modern standards, adding inline cites, and all. I hope this fixed any issues that this article might have had. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I see. Please note though that even if a source is PD, you have to provide attribution to avoid plagiarism. This can by done by using one of the templates in Category:Attribution templates. Theleftorium (talk) 20:00, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Those look useful, I'll add them to my toolbox. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:18, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Simpsons: Bart & the Beanstalk

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


I took the liberty of putting the notation templates for WP:SCV into a group editnotice, similar to the way it's done at WP:RPP, WP:ANEW and WP:AIV. What do you think? Good idea? Terrible idea? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:33, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Great idea! Thanks. Can you do that same with Wikipedia:Copyright problems (Template:CPC)? Theleftorium (talk) 16:38, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Sure. Done. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much. :) Theleftorium (talk) 19:37, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Simpsons Cartoon Studio

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Dhaka City Corporation

You deleted the article based on alleged copyvio from "Encyclopedia of India Pakistan and Bangladesh". Unfortunately, that publication is simply a collection of Wikipedia articles. This issue is well known, and have been discussed at length at RSN. Please see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_70#Circular_references:_Gyan_Publishing_and_ISHA_Books.

I urge you to restore the article, since it has no copyvio, rather it is the victim of a copyvio by the print book by Om Gupta.

If you deleted any other articles based on this, please undo the deletion. --Ragib (talk) 18:38, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm definitely not going to restore that article. Only a small portion was "copied" from "Encyclopedia of India Pakistan and Bangladesh" (it must have been copied from another website). The majority of the article was a copyvio of and Regards, Theleftorium (talk) 18:47, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Hmm. It looks like the article was clean up until November 9, 2008. I'll restore the old revisions. Theleftorium (talk) 18:50, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Restoring up to that revision is fine. My only point was the Om Gupta publication is a reverse copyvio, and most of the page can be restored after removal of the content from the organization's webpage. --Ragib (talk) 18:53, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Done. Thanks for letting me know! Theleftorium (talk) 18:54, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

By the way, this problem and a host of other copyvio problems seem to stem from a single user Tanweer Morshed (talk · contribs), who introduced a large amount of copyvio in numerous articles over 2009-2010. Reverting his edits may get rid of most of the copyvio problems in these articles. --Ragib (talk) 18:55, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I've already done that actually. That's how I found this article. :) Theleftorium (talk) 19:00, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Cambridge Grant Historic District photos

Hi Theleftorium, I posted some photos on "Cambridge Grant Historic District" and have labeled them as: "This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License." However, they were still taken off the site. Would you please tell me WHERE to post this information so that the photos are legit?? Thank you RICEFLAN Riceflan (talk) 02:05, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

inre Serial Killing 4 Dummys

Sorry you had to scold User:Forteana, but the plot stuff you removed was partly mine. His original version is here I read several articles about the film and then modified what he originally wrote, creating this I had never seen the youtube clip before you placed in your summary, but it will be quite helpful in writing a better plot section. So thanks much. Regards, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 07:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Sourcing help

I've been talking to Bill Oakley on Twitter and he's going to direct message me a few minor changes to his article. Do you have any suggestions for how that could be acceptable as a source? Gran2 19:01, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

If the changes contradicts what the sources say, I guess you can ask him to send an email to WP:OTRS. Not sure if that helps. Theleftorium (talk) 19:09, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I'll see what he says and then if need be I'll get him to email OTRS. Actually if he tweeted the stuff, would that be acceptable per WP:SELFPUB? Gran2 19:21, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I think so. As long as it's nothing controversial. Theleftorium (talk) 19:26, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Well it seems for some reason I can't use it at all. Why, I have no idea. Oh well. I guess it wouldn't be advisible for me to put a message at the top of the page saying "WARNING: This article is not factually accurate, but the rules forbid me from correcting it". Anyway, here's the original draft of $pringfield which Bill just tweeted [13] We can't use it as a source, I'm sure, but it's interesting to read. Gran2 15:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


You recently rejected a number of edits I made, insisting that I was in some sort of "copyright violation". That which I had 'copied' had been, or so I believed, a "brief excerpt" as is detailed below:

"... All text that you did not write yourself, except brief excerpts, must be available ..." Forteana (talk) 03:23, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

  • But this text [14] was not a short excerpt, it was virtually all of the relevant text from the web page. This is also the total plot summary on the referenced page. Dougweller (talk) 12:19, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
    • Hi Forteana. You are not allowed to copy text, such as plot summaries, if it can be rewritten in your own words (see Wikipedia:Non-free content). You can easily write your own "non-copyrighted" summary of a film. If you have to copy something, you must include quotation marks and a reference, otherwise it's plagiarism. Regards, Theleftorium (talk) 15:49, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Bart's House of Weirdness/GA1

I've offered a review- nice job! There are a few little bits that will need fixing. I'm watching the page, but feel free to ping me when you're done. J Milburn (talk) 11:32, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Promoted, well done. J Milburn (talk) 12:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks! :) Theleftorium (talk) 12:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Maggie Roswell

Just a note to let you know that I have nominated an image you uploaded for FP status. J Milburn (talk) 21:39, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, congratulations. :) And complicating things, I've had more communication from the photographer and Roswell, and they would prefer to use File:Maggie Roswell-1.jpeg. I've explained that the attribution on the image might be removed and would not in any case be visible in the article, but the photographer prefers the close crop. It's uploaded; I leave it to you and the other contributors to the article to determine what to do now. But I will notify the photographer of the honor, and hope that he will be pleased enough to leave things as they are. :/ --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:55, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Based on his reaction, I think he will be okay with leaving the image in place at least through the FP process and especially if it makes it. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
It's very possible the promoted version (if any) will look more like the crop- a lot of portraits get cropped at FPC. J Milburn (talk) 10:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Moonriddengirl, is there a specific reason to why they want to use the crop? Is it because there's attribution on it? Theleftorium (talk) 13:36, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
It's a combination. They would like to the attribution on it to remain, though I've told them that it probably will not. But even without the attribution, they would prefer the crop. FWIW, you've made the photographer very happy with your nomination. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I added attribution to the infobox [15], maybe that'll help a bit? Theleftorium (talk) 13:44, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Can't hurt. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:45, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Ogura Clutch Ltd.

Hi I am currently writing up a profile history for Ogura Industrial. All the pictures I have uploaded is under public domain and our company Ogura Industrial has taking those pictures. Why has the page been erased? Please help--OIC1998 (talk) 15:48, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Kristin Kaspersen

RlevseTalk 18:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2010 August newsletter


We have our final eight! The best of luck to those who remain. A bumper newsletter this week as we start our home straight.

  • Pool A's winner was Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions). Awarded the top score overall this round, Sturmvogel_66 writes primarily on military history, favouring Naval warfare.
  • Pool B's winner was New South Wales Casliber (submissions). Awarded the top score for featured articles this round, Casliber writes primarily on natural sciences, especially botany and ornithology.
  • Pool A's close second was Hungary Sasata (submissions). Awarded the top score for featured pictures this round, Sasata writes primarily on natural sciences, favouring mycology.
  • Pool B's close second was Colombia ThinkBlue (submissions). Awarded the top score for good articles and topics this round, ThinkBlue primarily writes content related to television and film, including 30 Rock.
  • The first wildcard was New Orleans TonyTheTiger (submissions). Awarded the top score for did you knows and valued pictures this round, TonyTheTiger writes on a number of topics, including baseball, American football and Chicago.
  • The second wildcard was War ensign of the German Empire Navy 1848-1852.svg White Shadows (submissions). Someone who has helped the Cup behind the scenes all year, White Shadows said "I'm still in shock that I made it this far" and writes primarily on Naval warfare, especially U-boats.
  • The third wildcard was Connecticut Staxringold (submissions). Awarded the top score for featured lists and topics this round, Staxringold primarily writes on sport and television, including baseball and 30 Rock.
  • The fourth wildcard was Bennington Flag.svg William S. Saturn (submissions). Entering the final eight only on the final day of the round, William S. Saturn writes on a number of topics, mostly related to Texas.

We say goodbye to the six who fell at the final hurdle. Flag of Oppland.svg Geschichte (submissions) only just missed out on a place in the final eight. Alberta Resolute (submissions) was not far behind. Republic of Ireland Candlewicke (submissions) was awarded top points for in the news this round. Toronto Gary King (submissions) contributed a variety of did you know articles. Finland Suomi Finland 2009 (submissions) said "I'm surprised to have survived so far into the competition", but was extactic to see Finland in the semi-finals. Norway Arsenikk (submissions) did not score this round, but has scored highly in previous rounds. We also say goodbye to Australian Federation Flag.svg Ian Rose (submissions), who withdrew earlier this month after spending six weeks overseas. Anyone interested in this round's results can see them here and here. Thank you to Bavaria Stone (submissions) for these.

Signups for next year's competition are now open. Planning is ongoing, with a key discussion about judges for next year open. Discussion about how next year's scoring will work is ongoing, and thoughts are more than welcome at Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring. Also, TonyTheTiger is compiling some information and statistics on the finalists here- the final eight are encouraged to add themselves to the list.

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They should think about tagging one of their users with WP:DOPPELGANGER to avoid confusion. -- Crazysane (T/C\D) 17:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

    • I guess it would really be just a legit usage of two accounts.. not a doppelganger. -- Crazysane (T/C\D) 17:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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I've reviewed the article- very nice job, just a few very small fixes to be made. J Milburn (talk) 13:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

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Any reason for sourced cultural references removal? CTJF83 chat 22:02, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

There's no context in the section and it's borderline trivia. Theleftorium (talk) 13:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

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Hey, just thought you'd like to know I have nominated an image uploaded by you for featured picture status. J Milburn (talk) 21:01, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

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Bill Oakley will be on IRC at 12 noon Pacific time this Monday for us to conduct an interview for Wikinews (which I think is 9PM for you?) I hope you can make it. Gran2 19:26, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I can probably make it. I don't really know what to ask him, though. Have you prepared any questions? Theleftorium (talk) 21:52, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
If you just want to 'hang' there as it were, that's fine. If there's anything in any articles you need a source for or want clearing up then you could ask him. I'm going to set it up as a normal interview (early life, career, what's it like to work on The Simpsons) but the main purpose is so he can go on record to say the corrections he sent me for his article so we can use that as a source. But I've got a few other questions. Gran2 14:38, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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We are half-way through our final round, entering the home straight. New Orleans TonyTheTiger (submissions) leads at the time of writing with 1180 points, immediately followed by Hungary Sasata (submissions) with 1175 points. Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) closely follows in third place with 1100 points. For those who are interested, data about the finalists has been compiled at Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/finalists, while a list of content submitted by all WikiCup contestants prior to this round has been compiled at Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions. As ever, anything contestants worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

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I am trying to bring it to FAC and I was wondering wether you have any of these two books: pages 124-126 or pages 6-8. I remember you worked on the page a long time ago and you might have been the one with access to these. Thanks! Nergaal (talk) 01:28, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

No I don't, sorry! Theleftorium (talk) 12:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2010 October newsletter


The 2010 WikiCup is over! It has been a long journey, but what has been achieved is impressive: combined, participants have produced over seventy featured articles, over five hundred good articles, over fifty featured lists, over one thousand one hundred "did you know" entries, in addition to various other pieces of recognised content. A full list (which has yet to be updated to reflect the scores in the final round) can be found here. Perhaps more importantly, we have our winner! The 2010 WikiCup champion is Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), with an unbelievable 4220 points in the final round. Second place goes to New Orleans TonyTheTiger (submissions), with 2260, and third to New South Wales Casliber (submissions), with 560. Congratulations to our other four finalists – War ensign of the German Empire Navy 1848-1852.svg White Shadows (submissions), Bennington Flag.svg William S. Saturn (submissions), Connecticut Staxringold (submissions) and Colombia ThinkBlue (submissions). Also, congratulations to Hungary Sasata (submissions), who withdrew from the competition with an impressive 2685 points earlier in this round.

Prizes will also be going to those who claimed the most points for different types of content in a single round. It was decided that the prizes would be awarded for those with the highest in a round, rather than overall, so that the finalists did not have an unfair advantage. Winning the featured article prize is New South Wales Casliber (submissions), for five featured articles in round 4. Winning the good article prize is Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), for eighty-one good articles in round 5. Winning the featured list prize is Connecticut Staxringold (submissions), for six featured lists in round 1. Winning the picture and sound award is Flag of St. Louis, Missouri.svg Jujutacular (submissions), for four featured pictures in round 3. Winning the topic award is Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), for forty-seven articles in various good topics in round 5. Winning the "did you know" award is New Orleans TonyTheTiger (submissions), for over one hundred did you knows is round 5. Finally, winning the in the news award is Republic of Ireland Candlewicke (submissions), for nineteen articles in the news in round three.

The WikiCup has faced criticism in the last month – hopefully, we will take something positive from it and create a better contest for next year. Like Wikipedia itself, the Cup is a work in progress, and ideas for how it should work are more than welcome on the WikiCup talk page and on the scoring talk page. Also, people are more than welcome to sign up for next year's competition on the signup page. Well done and thank you to everyone involved – the Cup has been a pleasure to run, and we, as judges, have been proud to be a part of it. We hope that next year, however the Cup is working, and whoever is running it, it will be back, stronger and more popular than ever. Until then, goodbye and happy editing! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 03:12, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

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Whispering about WT:CCI#Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations.2FFlyingToaster

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at WT:CCI#Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations.2FFlyingToaster's talk page. Bigger digger (talk) 15:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

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Admin power request

Any chance you could move the clean rewrite at Talk:Richard Malanjum/Temp for me? VernoWhitney (talk) 03:24, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Done. :) Theleftorium (talk) 08:58, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! VernoWhitney (talk) 11:09, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Rewrite review?

Just when you think you might be able to escape from copyvio work... could you compare Talk:Frederick James Gould/Temp to the primary source and see if you think it's clean enough? I've looked at it already but I'd like a second opinion. VernoWhitney (talk) 16:42, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I really wish I could be more active at Wikipedia but school and other stuff is taking up all my time. :) What's your opinion of the rewrite? I definitely think it's too close to the source. Theleftorium (talk) 17:14, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I think it still has some problems too, although it is an improvement from what it was, but I'm having trouble identifying the actual problem areas to give examples to the author - it just seems "off" to me (which isn't much help for rewriting). VernoWhitney (talk) 17:24, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, I think the third paragraph is the worst. Especially the last sentence.

In 1879, he married Mahalah Elizabeth Lash, and moved to London where he began working as an assistant master in publicly funded board schools in the East End. He was transferred from Bethnal Green to Limehouse in 1887 after his notes in the Agnostic Journal were seen by the school board, and he was exempted from teaching the Bible. In 1891, he asked to be allowed to resume Bible teaching on a reforming ethical-agnostic basis, but this was refused.[1]

He moved to London in 1979, where he married Mahalah Elizabeth Lash (1879) and worked for 16 years as an assistant master in London board schools. [...] His fully-signed notes in the 'Agnostic Journal' in 1887 were seen by the School Board, and he was transferred from Bethnal Green to Limehouse and exempted from Bible-teaching duties. In 1891 he asked the Board to let him resume Bible-teaching on an ethical-agnostic basis, but was denied.

The structure and language is just too similar. I think the best alternative would be to either summarize the text instead of paraphrasing it, or simply find more sources to expand the article and thereby avoiding similarities in the structure. Theleftorium (talk) 17:34, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Okay, the rewrite has been overhauled with more sources added and I think it looks clean now. If you agree could you go ahead and move it? And if not, of course, tell me what I missed. VernoWhitney (talk) 13:17, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Much better! Good luck with the RfA. :) Theleftorium (talk) 14:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! VernoWhitney (talk) 16:27, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

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Images on Bart on the Road

Can you elaborate why the images on Bart on the Road violate NFCC? --AW (talk) 06:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

They don't significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic. Theleftorium (talk) 16:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
I disagree, they illustrate scenes from the episode, making it easier to understand. If you don't know what the Sunsphere is, it doesn't make a lot of sense, and that image explains where they are and what they do during it. --AW (talk) 18:29, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

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Too often great editors like you are overlooked and not given the credit deserved for all their great contributions. So I am awarding you this barnstar to let you know I greatly appreciate all you do for Wikipedia, and please keep up the outstanding work!! CTJF83 chat 03:25, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Wow, thanks a lot! Theleftorium (talk) 20:23, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Sure thing, any Simpsons episode project you want to work on? CTJF83 chat 00:47, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't have time at the moment. :/ Theleftorium (talk) 12:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Simpson recurring characters

Why did you delete what I have done on page of recurring characters from The Simpsons? Only I have templates of the characters and a template "TOC". I also put some characters in the list of media personalitiesHeinz Doofenshmirtz —Preceding unsigned comment added by HeinzDoofenshmirtz (talkcontribs) 17:51, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

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Long time, no...

Hi Lefty, it's been a while. I was wondering if you could do me a favour and warn this user: HeinzDoofenshmirtz (talk · contribs). He's been adding fair use images at will to list pages and has been ignoring my requests for him to stop. He might take a warning from an admin a bit more seriously. It's actually kind of ironic because at one time, I would have supported his efforts and defended. And here we are now and I want him stopped... I feel like a sell out. Anyway, thanks, Scorpion0422 18:05, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey! :) I left a short message. Theleftorium (talk) 19:41, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Please don't revert w/out edit summaries

Please don't revert good faith, appropriate, explained (edit summary), in-accordance with policy edits without an edit summary or without discussing on the article talk page.[16]

If you disagree with my removal of the blog as a source to the Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming article you could have included your reasoning in your edit summary, or you could have initiated a discussion on the article talk page and reached agreement rather than reverting. --Kleopatra (talk) 17:22, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Technically a forum post is not a reference, so essentially I removed spam or a soapbox, or whatever reason it was for including a forum post, not a reference.[17]
The rest of the article looks fine, though, and stands up without the addition of the forum or blog posts, as do the few other Simpsons episodes I reviewed. Thanks for using a edit summary this time. --Kleopatra (talk) 22:26, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

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What do you think of an episode GAC with no episode specific production, only series production information. It is the pilot. Talk:Pilot (Sit Down, Shut Up)/GA1 CTJF83 chat 18:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I think that article's production section is fine. Not sure if the episode needs it's own article though, since all the information could be moved/merged to the Sit Down, Shut Up (U.S. TV series) article. Theleftorium (talk) 21:13, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thanks, CTJF83 chat 05:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this article know that it will be appearing as the main page featured article on December 17, 2010. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 17, 2010. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured article director, Raul654 (talk · contribs). If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of the suggested formatting. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! Tbh®tchTalk © Happy Holidays 04:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Little help

Hey man, could you please weigh in with your admin expertise here? A user has 'created' the, in my view pointless, article Death of Phil Hartman which features virtually no new information whatsoever and is instead primarily a word for word copy of much of Phil's article. I think it's a redundant page but the user who started refuses to really acknowledge my points. Gran2 21:50, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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Television episode non-free images

Since I know you've done plenty of work with The Simpsons episodes I figured you'd be a good person to ask: What are the general standards for inclusion of an image in an episode article (yours or a projects or whatever). I ask because it came up at WP:NFCR that there are a whole slew of images such as File:Classy christmas season 7.jpg with limited FURs and not much if any commentary on them in their articles. I believe the standards are higher than simply identification of the episode, but I'm not quite sure where the bar is set. Any feedback would be appreciated. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:33, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

As I understand it, a non-free screenshot should only be used if it would help readers understand the article (there's commentary about the scene in the article) and if the screenshot can't be conveyed in words. And an image like File:Classy christmas season 7.jpg can easily be described in words so it should be deleted. Theleftorium (talk) 14:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
That's pretty much what I thought. Thanks! VernoWhitney (talk) 14:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas
At this festive time, I would like to say a very special thank you to my fellow editors, and take the time to wish you and your loved ones a very Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year. And, in case you can't wait until the big day, I've left you each three special presents, click to unwrap :) Acather96 (talk) 10:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind...

I reverted some vandalism on your userpage, which was in my watchlist. — Hunter Kahn 16:41, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Didn't mind at all! Thanks! :D Theleftorium (talk) 14:55, 28 December 2010 (UTC)


What's all this nonsense? ;) — Hunter Kahn 19:07, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

New TV Episode Task Force assessment table

Hey. Just wanted to bring your attention to this and this. — Hunter Kahn 03:01, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hope you don't mind;

I see you've semi-retired. That's a shame man. Anyway, this is just a quick note to say I'm going to implement User:Theleftorium/Planet Simpson, because the page has been PROD'd. Gran2 21:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Refugee controversy in Sjöbo

I've nominated this article that you created for GA status. :)Alphasinus (talk) 15:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not entirely happy with all of the changes that have been made to the article, but I don't have time for Wikipedia at the moment so I'll let you handle it. Theleftorium (talk) 16:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Which changes are you dissatisfied with?Alphasinus (talk) 23:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Extreme points of Sweden at WP:FLRC

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What in the world are you talking about? Theleftorium (talk) 17:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2011 May newsletter


We're half way through round 3 of the 2011 WikiCup. There are currently 32 remaining in the competition, but only 16 will progress to our penultimate round. Scotland Casliber (submissions), of pool D, is our overall leader with nearly 200 points, while pools A, B and C are led by Texas Racepacket (submissions), Zanzibar Hurricanehink (submissions) and Saskatchewan Canada Hky (submissions) respectively. The score required to reach the next round is 35, though this will no doubt go up significantly as the round progresses. We have a good number of high scorers, but also a considerable number who are yet to score. Please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. Also, an important note concerning nominations at featured article candidates: if you are nominating content for which you intend to claim WikiCup points, please make this clear in the nomination statement so that the FAC director and his delegates are aware of the fact.

A running total of claims can be seen here. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 23:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Your template message on my talk page about Ardmore Cricket Club

If you look at what the article said at the point I nominated it for deletion it said Ardmore Cricket Club is a cricket club in Ardmore, County Londonderry, Northern Ireland, playing in North West Senior League 2. and one un-sourced local, not national cup win - that makes zero claim to any significance. I do agree that by the time you declined the CSD it did make a small claim to significance ie a former test player playing for the club but it still fails WP:GNG and WP:CLUB . Please check the article history before placing that template in future. Mtking (talk) 23:35, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Well the template was placed automatically on your talk page so you really shouldn't take it too seriously. Theleftorium (talk) 10:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
I am aware that a number of editing aids to place templates automatically, my point is that knowing what it says, don't use the aid if you know it is going to result in a incorrect talk page msg as in this case. Mtking (talk) 10:38, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Alright, fair enough. Theleftorium (talk) 10:40, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


Fantastic! And you're back, also fantastic! Gran2 06:46, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

The Original Barnstar

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You are hereby awarded The Original Barnstar for your particular fine contribution to Wikipedia in the form of the article Skånes Djurpark. This article was a pleasure to translate with all syntax and referencing being top notch. Talk/♥фĩłдωəß♥\Work 19:41, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Why thank you! I appreciate it! :D And nice work on the translation! Theleftorium (talk) 19:45, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Re:Girly Edition

Its good enough for it to keep its status. While I closed the review, I noticed that there's a dead link in the article. Here's the link to see it 1. GamerPro64 20:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks! Theleftorium (talk) 12:25, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

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Tjena! Thanks for the barnstar! It's very inspiring to get a compliment from one of the best editors on WP:DOH. Nice to have you back by the way! :D Queenieacoustic (talk) 20:40, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem! Thanks! :D Theleftorium (talk) 20:44, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Removal of images in Simpsons articles

Hi Leftorium, I have noticed that you removed the following images from their articles: File:Two Cars in Every Garage and Three Eyes on Every Fish.jpg, File:Krusty Gets Busted.jpg, File:The Crepes of Wrath.jpg, File:Call of the Simpsons.jpg, and File:Homer's Night Out.jpg, I was wondering if there is a policy somewhere stating that screenshots cannot be used for infoboxes. I understand the the most recent episodes use promotional posters in their infoboxes, but it seems that posters don't exist for older episodes; as such, I believe that using a screenshot showing a key element that is discussed in the article falls under fair-use. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:23, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi! No, there's no policy stating that screenshots cannot be used for infoboxes. There is, however, the non-free content criteria, and these images fail both the first criterion and the eighth criterion. The screenshots can be conveyed by text alone (the plot summary), and they don't "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic" (the plot summary is more than enough). So there's really no need to use non-free images in these articles. After all, Wikipedia's goal is to be a free content encyclopedia. Theleftorium (talk) 11:54, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Ah yes, and the WP:NFCI for screenshots would not allow it to be used just to identify the subject without any critical commentary. Very well then, thanks! Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:23, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Re:Need copyright help with images on Commons

I agree with your assessments- each image is problematic. The first two should probably be nominated for deletion; the logo that meets the threshold of originality should go to the AfD equivalent (which, I must warn you, is very slow) while the school logo could probably be hit with {{subst:npd}}. The others are a little more complicated- you could just hit them with no permission/nominate them for deletion, as above, but if you have reasonable grounds to believe the editor does own the rights to them, it may be worth contacting the uploader to ask them about it. Hopefully, you'll be able to get them to send permission to the appropriate OTRS address ( and then tag the images with {{OTRS pending}}. Technically, that's what the no permission template is for, but sometimes a more gentle approach is best. If you're unable to get a valid email (no replies, not copyright holder, etc), or it's not worth going to the trouble (useless pics, deleted article, etc), then the images should be tagged for deletion as above. J Milburn (talk) 07:53, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


Please move Grandpa Simpson to Grampa Simpson...I'm sure I don't need to provide you references, but if so, I can. :) CTJF83 12:15, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Please don't. This is definitely not an uncontroversial move. As shown in the recent RM, "Grandpa" is by far the most common name in reliable sources. If you wish to contest this, start another requested move expressing why you don't think we should follow policy in this case. Thanks, Jenks24 (talk) 21:35, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Uh, I listed 3 sources on the talk page, including, what more do you want? CTJF83 21:37, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
There is a more detailed reply at my talk page (regarding WP:COMMONNAME), but the gist is that this should go through RM, as it isn't uncontroversial. If the consensus at an RM determines that we (Wikipedia) should use "Grampa" then that's fine by me, but this should not be done by asking on an admin's talk page (which is akin to listing it at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Uncontroversial requests). Jenks24 (talk) 22:01, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
I have struck my comments and no longer have an objection. Please proceed with the move when you are able to. Jenks24 (talk) 23:50, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Tisa Chang

Nice rewrite on this one! You saved it from certain stubification or deletion.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! :) I think I might nominate it for GA status soon. Theleftorium (talk) 15:40, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

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Eragon changes

My understanding is that it is the image and details of the first published edition that should appear in the Infobox. Can we leave the article as it was ? I guess details of the Knopf edition can also appear if you feel strongly, are you OK for me to change it back again (I will include details of the Knopf edition) Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 15:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Please also see User_talk:Theleftorium/Archive_8#Please_don.27t_revert_w.2Fout_edit_summaries
No, I'm not okay with the eye cover being used. The book is known by its blue cover and that cover is the one that will help readers identify the subject of the article (see WP:NFCI). Theleftorium (talk) 16:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm afraid that for books it is (almost) always the 1st edition that it is preferred as per Template:Infobox book and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/Style_guidelines#Image, Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 20:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
No, "The image presented in the table should be the most significant cover historically for that book." The self-published version sold.. what, 1000 copies? The Knopf edition with the blue cover has sold millions of copies worldwide. It is therefore the one that should be used in the article. Theleftorium (talk) 21:45, 15 June 2011


Moved the discussion here for wider input : Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Novels#Eragon_cover_image_discussion GrahamHardy Trust that's OK (talk) 22:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Go Simpsonic with The Simpsons

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List of national parks of Sweden

Hi Henrik,

There is a new weekly section on the main page called "Today's featured list" and I have nominated List of national parks of Sweden to have a spot here. There has been some opposition to the nomination, so if you would like to help address the concerns that have been raised, that would be greatly appreciated.

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Symbol list class.svg Hi, Theleftorium. I'm just posting to let you know that List of national parks of Sweden – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been submitted as a candidate to be featured on the Main Page as Today's featured list. The proposed content can be seen here. You are more than welcome to post your thoughts on the nomination. Regards, —WFC— 15:19, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tisa Chang

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Why are we allowing.....

...poor articles from site like to be copy pasted here. It is an awful site with poorly reaserched and written articles. It seems to be controlled by one editor. Surely that violate WP:NPOV. ThanksSH 08:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

We don't allow it. That's why the article has that large banner on the top. Sadly no one has improved it yet. :/ Theleftorium (talk) 10:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I am loathed to give publicity to poor sites like sikhiwki as it tarnishes wikipedia. I will have a bash at re-writing it. Thanks for the heads up SH 08:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


Thanks, it's one of those articles that I always had on my to-do list because I kept coming across articles about the play in Google News. I created it with the intention of taking it to GA/FA, but I never got around to it. If you'd like to help out, then by all means please do. -- Scorpion0422 23:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

By the way, great job with There's Something About Marrying. If you're looking for cultural references to add, it might be worth noting that the couch gag (with the Stanley Cup) aired during the 2004–05 NHL lockout. Also, the episode is mentioned in a book I have called Simpsonology. I'll look it up for you tomorrow. There's also a brief mention of it in The Simpsons: An Uncensored, Unauthorized History in which the author is critical of the episode (again, I can add it tomorrow). And The Gospel According to The Simpsons has a page on it. It says that several activists commented on it, and I'll list their names so you can try finding more via google: Robert Castillo and Rick Garcia (both in the Chicago Tribune on Feb 21, 2005). The author (Mark I. Pinsky) also says he was interviewed several times about the episode. -- Scorpion0422 04:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I haven't checked Simpsonology yet (as I would have to comb through the book page by page). Have you tried looking for the Chicago Tribune article? Pinsky's book (which mentions some cultural references, such as Veronica singing Dude Looks Like a Lady) had a quote from Mike Reiss from some Australian magazine, but I was unable to find the original article. Also, I tried a google search of the GLAAD website and came up with this: [18]. THe first result looks good, but I was unsure if it was used or not. -- Scorpion0422 16:25, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Also, it would be nice if we can find some comments from Julie Kavner (we do have an image of her now, which could be used in the article). By the way, an interesting note, and not useable in any way shape or form for obvious reasons, is that I've read rumours that Kavner is herself gay. -- Scorpion0422 16:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Would it be worth noting that Patty's voice was heard as part of the "still in the closet" float at the gay pride parade in Jaws Wired Shut? -- Scorpion0422 19:01, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes he does, and he cites Fort Lauderdale. I just threw in the other ref because it's an online site that confirms it. -- Scorpion0422 22:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2011 June newsletter


We are half way through 2011, and entering the penultimate round of this year's WikiCup; the semi-finals are upon us! Points scored in the interim (29/30 June) may be counted towards next round, but please do not update your submissions' pages until the next round has begun. 16 contestants remain, and all have shown dedication to the project to reach this far. Our round leader was Scotland Casliber (submissions) who, among other things, successfully passed three articles through featured article candidates and claimed an impressive 29 articles at Did You Know, scoring 555 points. Casliber led pool D. Pool A was led by Ohio Wizardman (submissions), claiming points for a featured article, a featured list and seven good article reviews, while pool C was led by Norway Eisfbnore (submissions), who claimed for two good articles, ten articles at Did You Know and four good article reviews. They scored 154 and 118 respectively. Pool B was by far our most competitive pool; six of the eight competitors made it through to round 4, with all of them scoring over 100 points. The pool was led by Zanzibar Hurricanehink (submissions), who claimed for, among other things, three featured articles and five good articles. In addition to the four pool leaders, 12 others (the four second places, and the 8 next highest overall) make up our final 16. The lowest scorer who reached round 4 scored 76 points; a significant increase on the 41 needed to reach round 3. Eight of our semi-finalists scored at least twice as much as this.

No points were awarded this round for featured pictures, good topics or In the News, and no points have been awarded in the whole competition for featured topics, featured portals or featured sounds. Instead, the highest percentage of points has come from good articles. Featured articles, despite their high point cost, are low in number, and so, overall, share a comparable number of points with Did You Know, which are high in number but low in cost. A comparatively small but still considerable number of points come from featured lists and good article reviews, rounding out this round's overall scores.

We would again like to thank United Kingdom Jarry1250 (submissions) and Bavaria Stone (submissions) for invaluable background work, as well as all of those helping to provide reviews for the articles listed on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Please do keep using it, and please do help by providing reviews for the articles listed there. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews generally at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup.

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