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April 2013[edit]

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I made the mistake of trusting the information in the Spanish-language wikipedia (which states that he was born in Havana) a little too easily. I had overlooked the fact that the Spanish-language wikipedia doesn't include any sources for that allegation. The Italian-language wikipedia, for instance, has several sources, and according to all of them Molina was born in Santa Clara. The case does seem very clear and you were absolutely correct in removing the statement that he was born in Havana. Lekoren (talk) 05:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Category:People from Zamboanga Peninsula[edit]

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Ways to improve Louis Lafferre[edit]

Hi, I'm PBASH607. Lekoren, thanks for creating Louis Lafferre!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Put some tags on the page so people can help out

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. PBASH607 (The One Day Apocalypse) (talk) 12:30, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

French political figures[edit]

You really have to say a little more for these French political figures. They are undoubtedly notable, if they were members of the legislature. However, we do not use database entries as sole references, because they have no stability, and you really need a printed on more reliable online source than that. Surely there are entires for them in standard French encyclopedias? At the very least, translate the entire French articles and include what references there are there. DGG ( talk ) 03:49, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I use the database of the French National Assembly, which is based on a printed source, the Dictionnaire des Parlementaires français, which can be found online on the website of the National Assembly: [1] . I have begun by creating short articles, initially stating only the most basic facts about French legislators. The idea is, of course, that the articles will later be expanded either by myself or by someone else. Wikipedia articles, after all, tend to begin as rudimentary versions of what they will develop into. This is why one cannot realistically expect a brand new article to have as much content as it will have after some time has passed. Besides, most people obviously find it easier to add new facts to existing articles than to create new articles. Lekoren (talk) 10:37, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

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Regarding your massive new creations[edit]

Hello there, I'm amazed that you create a lot of articles about french political figures, however you are also leaving a trail of stubs, unsourced and uncontextual articles behind. Please instead of translating the article, try to make a text with encyclopedic value, wikipedia is not a directory for every single person, even if it may be notable, articles must have content and context, otherwise the article may not be maintained. Regards Eduemoni↑talk↓ 17:20, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

They do constitute WP:1EVENT, being a Members of Parliament does not assert instant notability and does not guarantee maintenance within wikipedia, see WP:POLITICIAN for more guidelines regarding politician biographical notability requirements. Eduemoni↑talk↓ 17:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
WP:POLITICIAN begins as follows : "1. Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature." What we are talking about in this case are members of a national legislature, which is why I find your attitude very difficult to understand. Lekoren (talk) 18:24, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Hi. I have declined all of the above speedy deletion requests (apart from 2 or 3 where someone else had already declined them), as they are all politicians at a national level and as per WP:POLITICIAN would be assumed to be notable. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:51, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Eugène Flotard[edit]

Hi there, do you know if this is spelled correctly? The National Assembly page has it as Flottard, with two Ts, but I thought I'd check as the French Wikipedia article also spells it as Flotard. – 296.x (talk) 20:59, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

He wrote a number of books and I googled him as an author. He seems to have used the name Flotard, at least that is the name under which his books have been published. Obviously Flotard is the correct spelling. Lekoren (talk) 21:06, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Great, thanks. – 296.x (talk) 21:09, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Ulysse Pastre[edit]

Hello Lekoren,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Ulysse Pastre for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks,

Chocoholic10 (talk) 16:37, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
You should know that Members of Parliament and other members of national legislatures are by definition notable. This issue has been discussed before. Please read this: WP:POLITICIAN Lekoren (talk) 17:49, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Albert Bedouce[edit]

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It's the other way round. That other text is directly copied from what I wrote. Lekoren (talk) 20:19, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
That other website seems to contain a very large number of mirrored wikipedia articles. Lekoren (talk) 20:42, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
It would be useful to inform the bot owner so they can ignore that site in future searches.Deb (talk) 13:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Akkanen‎ and others[edit]

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Likewise the articles Akagündüz, Ahmaoja, Ahokainen and Ahosilta, all for the same reason, i.e.: according to WP:APONOTE this sort of article, to demonstrate notability, should give at least two examples of the surname in question, or substantial sourced content, whereas these have neither. We can discuss if it would be helpful. Jsmith1000 (talk) 00:44, 26 May 2013 (UTC) Sorry - I missed out Adiloğlu. Jsmith1000 (talk) 10:13, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

What you've done with Akkanen is very useful. Are you able to expand the others in the same way? for single-entry surnames, the redirect option that User:PamD mentions below is a good interim one, if time presses. Jsmith1000 (talk) 10:13, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I can do that. Lekoren (talk) 13:49, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Your surname stubs[edit]

As mentioned above there is a problem with your many new surname stubs, in that you have given no sources - how do we know that X is a Y-language surname, as opposed to a surname which happens to be held by a member of a Y-country sports team? References are needed for everything.

Another problem: if you create an article like Hamrin (surname), you need to make sure it is accessible from Hamrin. I've added a hatnote in this case, you need to do so or make a disambiguation page entry, as appropriate. Thanks.

But above all, remember, you need to add sources for all your information. If you have no reliably sourced information about a name, you could create a redirect from a name to the single person who has a Wikipedia article and carries that name, or create a disambiguation page for the several name-holders, but without sourced content about the name it is not a surname page. PamD 07:56, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

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Categories: Governorate of Estonia / Livonia[edit]

Hello. I can see you're adding various Estonian places into categories Governorate of Estonia and Governorate of Livonia. What's the criteria of being part of those categories? Do you plan to add one of the categories to all settlements that hitorically were situated the governorate? Is it really necessary? Flying Saucer (talk) 15:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

In principle, yes. Miks mitte? (I'm from Finland and I understand Estonian). Compare with other historical categories, such as Members of the Hanseatic League. Categories of this kind add a historical dimension to the articles and make it easier for the reader to situate at a glance each locality in its historical context. There are lots of Wikipedia users who are interested in history as well as in geography and I do think it will be appreciated by those. BTW, the idea is not to single out Estonia among other countries (such as Latvia, Lithuania, Russia, Poland, Belarus, Finland, Germany etc), but of those countries I mentioned only Poland, Finland and Germany compare with Estonia in terms of how many localities, relatively speaking (as a % of all the localities in each given country) are covered with Wikipedia articles. Latvia, for instance, in spite of its slightly larger size seems to have a much smaller amount of articles about localities than Estonia (I haven't counted them, but the difference seems obvious). I have done some work on Lithuanian and Belarusian localities as well, and those countries seem even more scarcely covered with articles about localities than Latvia, so adding the corresponding categories to them will not take so much time as with Estonia. Lekoren (talk) 16:00, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Of course I understand the necessity to give historical dimension to settlements, but I seriously doubt that the categories are the best solution it this case. And if it fits the WP:CAT policies. Your example Category:Members of the Hanseatic League is kinda different because it consists only of cities/towns that were included in the league. The governorate on the contrary consisted of thousands of settlements. I personally recommend giving this information via text (e.g. lists if necessary). If we continue the method you've carryied out, we should also include categories like Bishopric of Ösel–Wiek, Duchy of Estonia, Dorpat Voivodeship, and even cats like Ugandi, Sakala and Nurmekund for example in Estonia. And of course we are not talking only about Estonia, if the method gains general consent, it would be implemented everywhere. Would this category maze really help readers to navigate in WP? Flying Saucer (talk) 11:18, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Yes it would, and it does. Consider, for instance, the category Shtetls, a category which includes those towns in Eastern Europe which had a large Jewish population up to the 1940s. Most shtetls were situated within the Pale of Settlement or in Austria-Hungary. The list of shtetls is long, but not a single locality included within the category Shtetls (such as Bila Tserkva, Husiatyn or Kolomyja) can anymore be characterized as a shtetl, as the Jewish population of those towns is nowadays (for well-known reasons) only a small fragment of what it used to be. Because of this, the category Shtetls is about historical geography. Indeed, Shtetls is a subcategory of Historic Jewish communities, which is a subcategory of Historical geography. Categories such as Governorate of Livonia are situated within this same scheme (Historical geography). As for the hypothetical examples you mentioned, such as Bishopric of Ösel-Wiek and so on, I personally have no such plans and I regard somewhat unlikely that someone would take the trouble to create those categories. Most categories will very probably deal with more recent history than those you mentioned. As regards your worries about the potentially large number of articles within each category, let's take an example: there are about 3900 articles about cities, towns, boroughs and villages situated in present-day independent Estonia. If we sort them all out according to the governorate to which they used to belong, roughly half (or a little less) will fit within the Governorate of Estonia and the other half (or a little more) within the Governorate of Livonia. If the number of maybe 1800 articles within the category Governorate of Estonia seems too large (BTW, Wikipedia includes a large number of much larger categories than that), nothing prevents us from following the example of the Estonian-language Wikipedia and creating subcategories for each kreis, of which there were four within the Governorate of Estonia and six within that part of the Governorate of Livonia which now belongs to independent Estonia. And if even that isn't enough, we can follow the example of the Estonian-language Wikipedia still one step further and create subcategories for every single kihelkond/Kirchspiel/volost. If the need arises, I'm prepared to do just that. After all, as I mentioned before, it's precisely what has been done in the Estonian-language Wikipedia. Lekoren (talk) 13:56, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

One line stubs[edit]

Unfortunately, what you created today (Kreis Wiek and others) are really substandard articles. They do not contain any more information than the article on the Governorate of Estonia. Would you please make more effort and (i) add reliable sources; (ii) write at least a paragraph of meaningful text, based on these sources. Thank you.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:08, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Every article begins as a stub. To state the obvious: I have no intention of leaving those articles in the rudimentary state in which they have begun. I find it a little odd that you wrote your message only 17 minutes after I had begun the first one of those articles, as if you assumed that I wasn't going to put more content into those new-born articles. Would it have hurt if you had waited at least a little longer than 17 minutes before overreacting? Lekoren (talk) 15:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
This is ok, but I saw that you created 4 sub-stubs, and that in the past other users were not really happy with your behavior. If you now will turn into expanding the articles you already created rather than create articles about thousands of uyezds of the Russian Empire it would be great.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:27, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
What did I just tell you I was going to do? See my previous message. Lekoren (talk) 15:31, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata[edit]

Sorry for bothering you again, but could you please add new categories to Wikidata? For example, Category:Olonets Governorate should be connected to ru:Категория:Олонецкая губерния (which I have just done), and I guess most of the uyezds do not have individual categories on ru.wp, so they just need to be added to Wikidata as new entries. I am a Wikidata administrator, so please do not hesitate to ask me if help is needed.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:13, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Like this (for the new ones): d:Q4265250--Ymblanter (talk) 12:24, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Ok. Lekoren (talk) 13:43, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

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Blind editing[edit]

While you enjoy criticizing others, you should note that you are blindly adding categories to hundreds of articles without looking what is in the article. Even if you are correct, the information in the article appears to refute the category you are adding. The result is an article which is internally inconsistent. Perhaps instead of getting rude on people's talk pages, you should make review the articles you edit to insure that the category you are adding is consistent with the information contained in the article. Thank you for your assistance.

Hundreds? Last time I checked, the category we are talking about had 88 articles in it. I'm very much aware of the fact that the demographics in most county articles are outdated (=based on the 2000 Census), but that is hardly my fault. There are thousands of editors "out there" who could have updated them many times over by now, but in spite of this, most county articles look like the 2010 United States Census had never happened. The point is this: if I add census-based categories to the articles, I have to use the 2010 Census instead of the outdated 2000 Census (which most county articles still quote). You seemingly assumed that the 2000 Census results were still valid and, based on that erroneous assumption, reverted a couple of my edits (which were based on the 2010 Census). As you seemed to be unaware of the results of the 2010 Census, I had no alternative but to tell you that your reverts were based on outdated information. You may consider it "rude" to point out obvious errors, but our first concern should be getting the facts straight. Lekoren (talk) 04:19, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

edit to Shelby County, Tennessee[edit]

I see you have added Shelby county, Tennessee to a category of counties with more than 50% African-American population, while the article you have edited shows only a plurality. Perhaps you would consider either editing the article with updated census information so that your category does not contradict the information in the article. Thanks!!!Whoop there it is! (talk) 12:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I can do that. Lekoren (talk) 13:28, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for your hard work updating the demographic data of so many US cities and towns. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:18, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Lekoren (talk) 15:59, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

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Categories of historical admninistrative divisions[edit]

Hi there. The addition of historical administrative divisions in articles of modern settlements is a controversial topic. I've had a brief conversation about this with another editor and it appears there are a number of arguments against this [[2]] (you are welcomed to participate). I guess a centralized discussion will be a good approach on how we can figure this out.Alexikoua (talk) 11:58, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Rezan Zoğurlu[edit]

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Ottoman vilayet categories[edit]

Hi, I closed Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_May_6#Ottoman_vilayet_categories with a compromise, and listed the vilayet categories at WP:CFDWM for purging. Would you be willing to do this, please? – Fayenatic London 19:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

OK. Lekoren (talk) 22:03, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Are you clear on what is required? The article on each vilayet probably already includes the main divisions, so at the end of that section I suggest you also list the cities/major towns that are currently in the category. Then edit the articles for those divisions/cities/towns to remove them from the vilayet category. When you have done each one, please add a note e.g. "Done" alongside its entry in the list at WP:CFDWM. I will then review the category page and remove the CFD template if the category is still populated. Please let me know if you need help. – Fayenatic London 20:08, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Got it. Already finished one of them. Lekoren (talk) 21:27, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for seeing that to the end! I've noted on the CFD that the final result was "keep all". – Fayenatic London 09:02, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for your work finetuning the "Plays set in..." categories! Aristophanes68 (talk) 18:11, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

It's a pleasure. Lekoren (talk) 19:39, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Wilfrid Voynich[edit]

You added 'Clan of Abdank' to his categories - but the relevant component of his name was Habdank. How did this family usage/divergence arise? Jackiespeel (talk) 09:21, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Same clan, different version of the name. That kind of thing often happens with old families. You'll find some info in this article: Abdank coat of arms. Lekoren (talk) 09:56, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks.

There is not much generally accessible on WV's family history/relatives. Jackiespeel (talk) 16:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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Please see WP:BLPCAT, all ethnic etc. categories need to be referenced. GiantSnowman 20:40, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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