User talk:Smuckola

A funny page

Was looking around the internet and found a funny site. It's an encyclopedia of every film and TV show in which characters wore overalls ... yes, the clothing overalls. https://biboverallsfilms.wordpress.com/topics/ Germanhexagon (talk) 04:00, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

I also read your last note, and I feel like ... I know what all the words mean in English, but I'm not entirely sure what it means in Wikipedia language. The template and it should go on my pages and all of the pages ?? But they already have templates on top of them. It should automatically be deleted soon ..... or yesterday ... XD maybe? Germanhexagon (talk) 07:46, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Barnstars from George Hill

		The Original Barnstar
		I would like to congratulate and express my gratitude to Smuckola (DTM) a for his great assistance in the design and creation of the article Wikipedia George Hill Chef. I was advised to request help from wiki editors by the deleting administrator following my deleted first article. I fortunately met Smuckola (DTM) on the help Wikipedia channel . Smuckola (DTM) immediately took an interest in assisting and compiling what turned out to be a very fine article created over may hours by him. He has great understanding of the wiki process, is excellent with English expression and understands the wiki mark up to design and put together articles that wiki should be proud of.My sincere thanks George Hill - Australia

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		There are many Barnstars that Smuckola (DTM) deserves, I also acknowledge diligence. My sincere thanks George Hill - Australia

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		I acknowledge excellence in copyediting My sincere thanks George Hill - Australia

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	You're a superstar. Thank you for your help! JSFarman (talk) 00:36, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Hooray! You created your Teahouse profile!

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Thank you for introducing yourself and contributing to Wikipedia! ~ Anastasia (talk) 19:44, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject percussion

Always good to welcome another drummer. Andrewa (talk) 17:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

The Special BarnStar

		The Special Barnstar
		awarded to Smuckola as a gesture of very special appreciation for his unrecognized work. Even in the complete dark you will always know who you are, and we will all ways recognize it for you. May your star shine bright, true and through, no matter the way of day, no matter the manner of night. You will always be you, and special. Tweny13 (talk) 09:46, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Happy Easter!!!

Happy Easter!

So a print encyclopedia, a strawberry shortcake, and a sycamore walk into a bar - wait, have you heard this one? (talk) 22:48, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

THANX! ! !

Thanx muchly for the barnstar. I do quite a bit on drum corps & will do more as I get to it... GWFrog (talk) 16:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

More Thanks

A big Tumeke for the tidy of the Maori culture article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.62.226.243 (talk) 01:07, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I am most honored to be acknowledged for that. I want to learn about all of the world's tribes. I learned a lot in this process, and yet I know very little compared to your own people. It's pretty weird that the articles about a people would misspell their name all throughout, even inside of the same sentence as a correctly spelled version, but I tried to fix it in all related articles. Thank you very much. Please do keep in touch if I can do anything else.Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 08:20, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	You're a superstar! JSFarman (talk) 20:24, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thank you for your work at iOS 7, and for proving that I wasn't alone in the fight...  drewmunn  talk  19:33, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Vocoding/Voce FX example ideas

Some thoughts post IRC:

1. Early Speech Systems " Please <pause> Adjust <pause>Dial <pause> One One Two Four, Operator

2. Vocoded Robot "This is the voice of a Wikipedia account which is not human! I edit by your instructions operator!" (think Cylon/ Davison Era Cyberman)

3. Formicadae "This is the voice of Primary One, We think that you should be hearing this..."

Arguably this has a LOT of buzz in it as insects would speak with their wings and a 'reed' like mouth motion. Vowel sounds are extended, and the inflexions present in speech may be slightly off.

Some insect speech would be slurred, so Primary One might to a casual observer sound slightly drunk, Also To get really good insect speech, you might need to do some more research as some can only 'sing' in a certain range. My intended example in this is probably a 'female' insect in the

4. 50's OTR Alien - Technically the effect here is that of an echo chamber and unusal intonation. Male OTR aliens seem to be deep voiced.. Male: " We are the gate-keepers, You as children have thought as inoccents, but time it has come for you to in maturity put aside that you as children shall hold in inoccence.."

5. OTR Fairie/Elf. Not sure about female aliens/faries but a sample line might read Female:" I am Primary of Three, I am of the trans-dimensional, and you are a welcome visitor to our viel on reality.

Another suggestions for source material would be Ariel's lines in The Tempest or Titania's in a Midsummer's Night Dream..

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 00:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Re :Wikilove

Thanks for the kitten,we named him kitty. everyone should know. EVERYONE! HEEEEY, did you hear me? everyone, especially someone who really cares for you. otherwise you could wish your name was earl. Remember Hitler. Facial hair is DYNOMITEI will try to translate the page of your request on IRC.--Carliitaeliza TALK 16:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Carly, you should know that I always remember Hitler! And you as well! How could I forget either one?! So memorable. And yes, keep the hair out of our faces!!!! It's not safe! DANGER, WILL ROBINSON! The planet needs you, Carly. Stay pure. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 21:51, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks for your edits for all of your edits for the Chicago articles, especially your edits on Chicago XXXII. I am willing to help you get the article to B class. Rock on! Dobbyelf62 (talk) 17:23, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Look a little closer before you template, please.

Hi. Wanna explain how this edit was vandalism warranting a template? I assume it was just a mistake, but, maybe be a little more caution about templating the regulars. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 02:49, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Hey there bro, we are beta testing a new counter-vandalism GUI and I misinterpreted its layout, thinking I was undoing the vandalism that you had actually already just undone. It's pretty rough. Sorry about that! I'm just glad that the mighty Busey is strong enough to take it. ^_^ — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 02:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

No prob. That's a noble task. It was inevitable that I get templated eventually, so I guess if it's for a good cause I'll just have to soldier on somehow. Of course it would have to be Busey. Grayfell (talk) 02:59, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. Yeah I hear that. It only makes sense. I've seen what he did to that kid on I'm with Busey. We all must answer the wild call of the Busey, when he tolleth, or suffer an unfathomably loving wrath. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 03:04, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

A Kitten! A Kitten! A Kitten!

Thanks for hitting me with the cheer exactly when I needed it.

JSFarman (talk) 02:50, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

LeBassRobespierre

Smuckola — It has taken me some time to find how to get to this page, and I hope I'm in the right place and it is OK to post here this message: I appreciate your thanks for my minimal contribution of adding a reference to Phineas Gage. I'm a newcomer to Wikipedia editing but not to computer as well as old fashioned editing. I have done some work this past few days on Wikipedia to a couple of entries that needed essential info that was missing, namely to the entries on Deep Brain Stimulation, Psychosurgery, etc., as I have interests in various subjects including history and neuroscience. Anyway thanks to you for the unexpected welcoming message of thanks to a new comer! LeBassRobespierre (talk) 21:18, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

That's all good. One glance at the revision history of Phineas Gage or the Talk page, will show you what a social disaster it has been. There's been a huge amount of WP:3RR, WP:COI, WP:OWNERSHIP, and WP:ICANTHEARYOU there, and it's just deplorable. So good luck there, and don't feel bad if the trolls bite. Just keep trying, and discuss things in the Talk page, and talk with the people who've come in to mediate.  :-/ Or don't let their mental problems get you down, and move on to what does work. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance. You can email me or whatever, as is stated in my signature here! — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 00:22, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Ha ha ha ha ha. Love, Julie JSFarman (talk) 23:31, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

@JSFarman: Ho ho ho hee hee hee ha ha ha. <3 — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 00:33, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Terry Kath

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Hi, thanks for the support. Don't think we've crossed paths before but I would really like to try and improve this to good article status if I possibly can. See my recent note on User talk:Dr. Blofeld. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:26, 6 June 2014 (UTC) @Ritchie333: Ritchie, you are blowing my mind today, brother. What you've done today is truly outstanding. I have done the equivalent myself on several Chicago articles. I got started and initially met the band by writing Walfredo Reyes, Jr., and explosively rewriting Tris Imboden. The guys were fanatically enthusiastic about getting a completely comprehensive discography (yeah right, I bet they can't even remember all the stuff they've played on), so I threw in bonus timeline graphs. lol. Once Wikipedia came out with the thank button, I researched years of history to identify whoever had introduced that incredibly awesome timeline graph on Chicago (band). I completely rewrote Chicago XXXII: Stone of Sisyphus, expanding it by about two thirds based on some books that I bought just for the article! And I had it all proofread by my homie, Tris. And I wrote the whole section about the history of the band's logo and graphics. This band got me to actually read books again! I bought Danny's book. I know how AGGRESSIVELY hard it is to do all this multi-sourced synthesis. It is brain draining. I imagine that you already did an extensive series of drafts before publishing it, or else you're just an expert. Plus, the stuff Danny wrote about Terry is about as heavy as anything I can handle. :( I did a lot of it around memorial day. I had removed a lot of the alleged quotes of Terry's last words fromaround Wikipedia, because they had been done in such a tasteless, cheap, tabloid, uncited, almost mocking fashion. There was even an article about famous last words, and there's probably junk on wikiquotes. But you did it right, in terms of the essence of demonstrating the notable story. I think the only way to do better would be to get that California newspaper article that is cited at timwood.com, (I wrote to Tim but he said he's been too busy to contribute, and I think he's kind of burned out on Chicago) which I believe contains quotes from the attending police officers. And that may allow one to glean a few more words, but only if it's done in a distinguished and tasteful and notably requisite way. And maybe to quote the guys on how they emphatically said that he was not suicidal and that it was ruled as a drug influenced accident. If one had to magically choose, it could be a superior use of time to find additional third-party quotes and impressions about the legacy and influence of Terry upon others. That might not be so much someone citing Terry specifically but rather the early guitar and vocals of Chicago. I don't know, just a thought. it is a privilege to collaborate, and I would probably put any more substantial thoughts on the articles own talk page. Thank you. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 20:39, 6 June 2014 (UTC) You sound like more of an expert than I am. Basically, to cut a long story short, I certainly remember the 80s Chicago, but then about five years ago somebody played 25 or 6 to 4 on the radio and explained who Kath was and that it really was the same band. So I went and bought the first two albums and couldn't believe the playing on it - I knew he was an early member but I thought he was some anonymous rhythm player, not this incredible guitarist. Anyway, I only really know that stuff and so Kath's article is probably the only one I can do justice. I need to add some biographical notes from 71 - 78, and also document how the significance of his contributions changed over the years. The death was an accident - end of. Okay, it's what all the rock trivia books talk about but I think I can invoke WP:BLP to say it is not kind to the surviving members of the band to remember him that way, instead of his musical contributions. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:05, 6 June 2014 (UTC) @Ritchie333: Yeah that's what I'm saying, it's major major tabloid/sensational/intrigue material, sometimes even regardless of actually published facts.  :( Likewise, in all of the band's articles, I have copyedited out all mentions of who was "fired" because the unpublished contractual terms of employment are nobody's business, and "replaced" because you can replace a lineup but you can't replace a person. You just described exactly my impression of Terry, after having been raised on Chicago music past and present. As a kid, I had no idea who this scruffy anonymous dude was until a year ago when we started researching the band in preparation for their local concert. When Terry had died, my mom had been pregnant with me and thus totally distracted, so this research made us actually grieve about it. Now I'm grieving the "loss" of the mighty Champlin! I'll put more info in Terry's talk page. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 21:54, 6 June 2014 (UTC) I see the IP who's been adding unsourced stuff to this article is back. I've given them a pretty straightforward explanation of why their edits are problematic, which will hopefully be the end of it. Let's hope it doesn't take an indef block to get them talking.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:04, 12 June 2014 (UTC) Hey bro. No, sadly, absolutely not. That editor is totally oblivious to the outside world. I noticed one prolific admin who's been also undoing his work all over the wiki, and wrote to him long ago, to no avail yet. I just wrote again because of what you said. I've just been following his contribution list every few days and reviewing it. He does a lot of helpful output, such as tedious categories, but he's also a warpath of WP:OR, uncited stuff, and overkill of categories and credits. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 21:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC) I've dropped him a fairly straightforward "start talking or it'll have to go to ANI" note - that should do the trick one way or the other. I've found the page error on Kath's article, and explained why {{sfn}} is my preferred citation format for good articles. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:04, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For your tireless work on expanding and copy editing in the 64DD article. You have my thanks, as well as the entire Nintendo Task Force. Arkhandar (Talk • Contribs) 16:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

A Cup of Coffee for Smuckola

Thank you very much for thanking myself, keep up the good work and if you need any help with anything feel free to contact me on my talk page, It would be a great pleasure to work with another great editor! (excluding myself). Best wishes and kind regards Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:58, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

@Joe Vitale 5:A cup of JOE??? How thoughtful! I shall definitely keep that actively in mind. And best wishes to you as well, sir. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 21:07, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Chicago XXXVI

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I know that this isn't related to your edits on Wikipedia, but have you picked up Chicago's new album yet? If not, I highly recommend that you do so! Dobbyelf62 (talk) 13:01, 23 July 2014 (UTC) Dobbity Dobbster! Dr. Dobbs! Good to see ya man. This is a Chicago house so yes we have it ;) We've watched the videos and such many times. Because of my Chicago work on Wikipedia, I met Tris and Wally and we got to be pals and they invited us to see them in Kansas City next month <3. We got a Chicago II record so hopefully they'll sign it. I just noticed that you had created some articles, so good job. They're quite robust. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 21:55, 25 July 2014 (UTC) You are so lucky!!!!! Wally and Tris are my favorite members of Chicago. I still prefer Danny, but Tris is a great drummer in his own right. I have purchased the album as well, and it is a solid record with only a few weak tracks. Many of the songs seem to be overproduced, which is what to expect from Chicago now (pun intended). Still don't know why they have track 11 as a bonus track though, as every copy contains that track. I wish they didn't include as much Jason on the album, even though his tracks were amazing musically. Lyrically, not so much. Commercially, their album is faring well. But what I'm most excitrd about is that Weird Al's new album is at #1! What are your thoughts? Dobbyelf62 (talk) 13:37, 26 July 2014 (UTC) Both the Personnel and Reception section of this article contradict each other. The personnel does not list Wally playing percussion on Crazy Happy, yet in the the reception, it says the track includes percussion from the great Walfredo Reyes. Which one is correct? Dobbyelf62 (talk) 17:33, 25 July 2014 (UTC) At this point, the credits occupy half the article! I created a monster with that "expand section" template! That's literally just about the only contribution anyone else has made to the article since I wrote it! Pretty soon, somebody's going to include the names of all the hotel janitorial staff at all the recording locations. I guess I'll look on the CD liner notes. I just wasted quite a while searching for Billboard's citation (what a train wreck of a web site) of their chart position, as claimed on chicago-now.com. :( — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 21:55, 25 July 2014 (UTC) Yes, several of the tracks include session musicians, and there's lots of them! John McFee of the Doobie Brothers appears on one track. I really don't see why Chicago needs session musicians. They have nine members, so why not use them? Poor Walter doesn't appear until track 7, and doesn't close out the album either. This is what likely happened: James Pankow "Hey Walt, we're five tracks into the record and you've yet to play on a single one of them. So, why don't you come over and play on this one? This one we get to play three measures!" Walter Parazaider: "Neh, I think I'll pass on this one." James Pankow: "Fine then!" Anyways, as far as I'm aware, the credits are correct. Dobbyelf62 (talk) 13:37, 26 July 2014 (UTC) Ha, I don't know where those credits even came from! Totally unsourced. Do you know? I'm pretty sure that the Discography manual of style requires them to only be a succinct form. I don't think we're even necessarily supposed to list every minor instrument, let alone every minor contributor. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 19:21, 26 July 2014 (UTC) Really? They're at the bottom of each page. Dobbyelf62 (talk) 20:01, 26 July 2014 (UTC) @Dobbyelf62:No, I mean I don't know from where these people are sourcing this multitude of credits for the album. Also my woman is wondering whether your username comes from Harry Potter. ;) I think XXXVI is pretty good, and its free-form creation and direct marketing are a true modern innovation in the industry which I hope Weird Al can emulate now that he's free of his contractual indentured servitude. I met Weird Al's band when they played here, because Wally and Tris are pals with them and texted em to find me after the concert. I made a weird "HELLO I'M FROM WIKIPEDIA" tshirt bearing a custom graphic of Jimbo with a bubble pipe like "Bob" of the Church of the Subgenius, and Al signed the fake name tag on it. They all told me that their Wikipedia articles are all filled with lies, but they're not. ;) My repeated and unsolicited advice to Tris in leading up to XXXVI was always "when in doubt, SISYPHIZE IT". Sisyphus is just about the ultimate, and it has some serious Tris juice. See the Allmusic review info I just put in XXXVI's article the other day which shares my opinion about its overall sound. "America"'s lyrics are impactful (and includes a horn lick from "The Pull" which was meant to indicate the heatwaves coming off the ground in a Kansas summer, as written by Dawayne who's from Manhattan, where I used to live) and "Crazy Happy" is crazy happy. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 10:46, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Wow! I don't know where to start on this one, but I'll have a go at it. If you're really curious about the lack of sources, it wouldn't hurt asking. As of my username, yes, I'm a Harry Potter fan! Dobby also happens to be my favorite character from that series, so it only made sense to incorporate into my username in some way. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the character, but he's more of a comic relief. Unfortunately, they minimized his role signifigantly in the movies :( I have heard rumors that this will be Weird Al's album since his contract expired, so it's not likely that he'll get to release another album. Usually, celebrities distance themselves from Wikipedia as they claim it's unreliable. I'm not going to defend it and say it is, because it really isn't. Of course, I always consult Wikipedia first whenever I need information on a certain topic. I'm glad you were able to find a review of "Now". Your work won't go unnoticed. Keep up the good work! Dobbyelf62 (talk) 16:10, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Never mind, it may not be his last album. Dobbyelf62 (talk) 16:14, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Hi sir but the PS Vita did sell 10 million units look at this article and find the PS Vita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_million-selling_game_consoles Diemor50 (talk) 00:03, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

@Diemor50:Hey there, friend. We don't mean to be harsh, and some of us are dealing with a lot of abuse and a lot of weirdos every hour of every day, so I don't mean to just dump a warning on you without talking with you. But we just absolutely must have *reliable* citations for important information like that. Please see WP:RS. And you can't repeatedly defy other people under any circumstances. Please see WP:3RR. For an orientation to Wikipedia, please see WP:5 and WP:FIRST. I looked at the citation in List_of_million-selling_game_consoles and it's a guesstimate, which is not allowed. Sony quit publishing sales statistics, which sucks for us. Your enthusiasm is encouraged! I know it's tough to learn at first, but please do read those articles carefully, several times. It's weird stuff but it's how an encyclopedia has to be.  ;) Thank you. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 04:26, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

A very tardy response

Dear Smuckola, you messaged me some time back about the naming issue with Chicago XXXVI: Now and other matters. I haven't been on the site at all since then, but I did read and consider your message. Unfortunately a lot of times it just boils down to page-level consensus if there is a dispute. A lot of articles end up using the title most often used in RS, and then including a "sometimes stylized" phrase like we currently have in the XXXVI article. On pages where the dispute keeps emerging, I've seen FAQs put in to place. When the next inquiry comes in, usually from an editor unfamiliar with the history of the page, they can just be directed to the FAQ where you would list the various objections people have to the current title and your rebuttals to all of them. Of course, this requires a pretty strong consensus for the existing title, otherwise you'll never get the FAQ done! --Spike Wilbury (talk) 19:32, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Nintendo 64 announcement

Hi! In response to your email, I have to say I was rather surprised myself to learn that Nintendo had made public the details about "Project Reality" that early on. I've uploaded a scan of the source here. Apart from everything else, I think as an enthusiast of the N64 you'll find it an amusing read with the gift of 20/20 hindsight.--Martin IIIa (talk) 03:42, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

@Martin IIIa: Hey there. I appreciate you sharing your article. I've read it several times over the months. I am ecstatic to find several sources of retro magazines at archive.org, retromags.com, and outofprintarchive.com. Go get em!!!! If you haven't noticed, I've been exploding out into Nintendo 64 and 64DD history in the last several months, and that includes Shoshinkai and the history of cartridge vs. cdrom and Nintendo's online history. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 14:51, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

@Martin IIIa:Say, do you think you could help find this magazine article (preferably the whole issue), either on an archive site or just as a photograph if you have the print? <ref>{{cite news |title=Project Reality |work=[[GamePro]] |issue=58 |date=May 1994 |page=170}}</ref> It doesn't seem to exist https://archive.org/details/gamepromagazine?and[]=mediatype%3A%22texts%22#collection-creator here, right?  :( I'm burning up Nintendo 64 for the last few months! Thanks! — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 07:50, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey, sorry for the late reply, but I didn't see this post until just now. I found the whole issue at Emuparadise. Here's the link.--Martin IIIa (talk) 15:18, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

irc

Hey there. i just realized that you answered my message on this page,sorry for late,join IRC to talk,you'll find me with the nick Carly,thanks for your contributions! :) Carliitaeliza TALK 21:21, 7 November 2014 (UTC) @Carliitaeliza: carlalalalalala — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 14:51, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi! Thanks for your thanks for the YOLO page. :) The last few times anyone gave me a message, it was for not attributing a statement or for linking to a disambiguation page. Careless! So I opened your message with dread, and read it with delight. It was great of you to take the time. Happy New Year! OcelotHod (talk) 06:27, 31 December 2014 (UTC) OcelotHod

@OcelotHod: Ha!! I completely understand that, and isn't it mostly because people mostly don't thank each other?  :-D Well I usually don't thank people for each edit, because most contributions are boring or poor. lol. But I do thank a lot. Wikipedia is starting to to creep in some features that curb its collective denial of the fact that it is a social network. So that's nice, and it's nice to be nice. Doing Wikipedia well, is very hard. Let me know if I can help. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 13:31, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

You're great. I won't forget you, and I certainly will call if I need help. May 2015 bring you awards, health, and wealth! OcelotHod (talk) 08:25, 7 January 2015 (UTC) OcelotHod

Potential Robert Lamm source

Hi, is this reliable enough?http://members.core.com/~mjoann/Robert_Lamm/RLBio.html Cap'n Tightpants (talk) 14:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

@Cap'n Tightpants: No, that's not reliable whatsoever. Patently non-reliable. WP:RS describes the criteria. It's gotta be a major publisher with editorial oversight. The goal is for the source to have made its editorial criteria publicly known, where we know that there are multiple authors or multiple individuals backing up the author, with a formal quality control process. And things that can't be arbitrarily changed, and that aren't crowdsourced. So we're looking for things that have traditionally been in print: books, magazines, newspapers, and certain web sites. So this means no weblogs, no forums, no wikis, etc. Wikipedia is the last link of the chain, so we're the only allowable wiki in the equation, but we still can't cite our own Wiki. You really should expect to need to read everything linked from WP:5 (WP:N WP:NPOV WP:RS) countless times, top to bottom, to have it start to sink in. Neutrality is the opposite of how people are, and it basically requires a reformation of one's personality or perspective, especially paradoxically if you're a fan. You've gotta dig in and read those policies and essays, and read existing articles that are of a high project rating. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 14:55, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

@Cap'n Tightpants:By the way, I am a superfan Wikipedian. I have just learned how to translate my passion into neutrality -- that's not the same as neutralizing one's passion. I am indeed a Chicago superfan, I'm friends with the band, and I've written two of their biographies from scratch. Those things all aligned. I took the photograph on Robert's article. Same with my superfandom with Nintendo and other companies and whatnot. When you become enough of a Wikipedia geek, and a technically neutral mentality sets in, you learn how to find and inject the right things. Chicago and Nintendo got me back into reading books occasionally for this purpose, as a "refminer" (mining for references). I familiarize with existing articles so that when I read books and magazines, I know where to fill stuff in. I bought a pile of obscure Chicago-related books and DVDs on ebay. You'll find random personal heresay like the web site you mentioned, and you'll use it as a clue for finding real sources. Google for those ideas or those quotations, or just email the person to ask for their sources. Sometimes I read mountains of rough, to learn how to search for the diamond. If you can find old print and video resources that nobody else has found for Wikipedia, that's beyond the "low hanging fruit" that everyone else has already picked over. Or read the same old sources to arrange facts in a different light. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 15:42, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I'll keep digging. Cap'n Tightpants (talk) 21:04, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

In response to the kitten:)

Thanks for the kitten! You asked me about my interests, also. Well, there's Firefly, xkcd, Star Trek, and, of course, Chicago. Only 15 years old, and already I'm living in the past! Cap'n Tightpants (talk) 18:57, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

@Cap'n Tightpants: And already at Captain status! Superb. What a prodigy! FYI, feel free to reply in place and use {{reply to | Smuckola}} to notify the person. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 21:23, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

@Smuckola: Thanks! I was wondering how to reply! Cap'n Tightpants (talk) 21:47, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

You do what I do, eh?

Hello Smuckola, I dream of horses has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

@I dream of horses: At all times! FYI I'm dtm on IRC in case you forgot. And if you forgot that we're friends there, then I dunno. LEAD ON and dream on, o fearless platypus. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 06:17, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

I didn't know you were dtm. For some reason, that didn't ping me, by the way. --I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 03:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Department of Competitive Gentity

[1] EEng (talk) 03:38, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Pyramid power

You're right, and I usually do. But that's a pretty bad article and I think fails WP:EL as it really doesn't add anything, while I think the Skeptics.dict article does. If you meant one of them was redundant it's surely the one you replaced. Meanwhile, this might amuse you:[2]. And thanks for your thanks. Doug Weller (talk) 16:22, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Stone of Sisyphus

Thanks for the efforts on the Stone of Sisyphus article. It looks pretty darned good right now. I have that 1993 VHS tape and I've about worn it to the nub over the years. I actually saw them at Pine Knob outside Detroit that year and they played "The Pull"; I believe it was a regular part of their set for that whole tour. I remember being blown away by Dawayne Bailey's guitar work and being very excited for the album to come out. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 02:26, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

@Spike Wilbury: Yeah dude, thanks a lot. You're one of the very few people to have contributed anything since I wrote the whole article plus Tris Imboden and Walfredo Reyes, Jr. and others about two years ago, and had the articles proofread for accuracy by Tris and Wally!  :) Wikipedia work is how I met the band! That was just months of work, and buying books for it. I just need to find a better way to format the pull.....quotes.  ;) Pull quotes are tricky to do correctly and tastefully. I just checked my video collection and I see that I don't have that one, and that it apparently didn't come out on DVD. I just have youtube! I worked a lot on Dawayne Bailey and I've written to him but he didn't reply. Yeah, Dawayne is beyond everything. I saw Tris and Dawayne on the Twenty 1 tour. Please do let me know if you wanna collaborate on anything, and feel free to email me about whatever. Here's my other stuff. — Smuckola(talk) 02:49, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Interesting that you got to meet Tris and Wally! I like the way you are using the quotations. In my opinion, it makes the narrative much more interesting to read, especially when readers don't likely have easy access to the sources. The original Greek Theatre tape never made it to DVD, nor did And the Band Played On which was from 1992. There are lots of funny interviews with Jason when he was relatively new to the band, long curls and all. I have kept up with Dawayne a bit over Facebook, but he also has an assistant who handles most of his business and career-related matters. If I can find her contact information, I'll email it to you. She might like to help with his article. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 03:26, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

@Spike Wilbury: All I know is that I emailed Dawayne and a long time later, someone else replied from his email address like a guard dog, and informed that they maintained his web site and Wikipedia article. I didn't bother replying to inform them that they can have the web site but absolutely no such thing is true of Wikipedia. WP:COI, lol. They can give us sources, ideas, directions, or even a wishlist, but that's it. And I would be honored to do so, based on reliable sources. So I contacted Dawayne on Facebook and told him that Sisyphus is one of the greatest albums ever made, and he added me but never directly replied. I'm a little bit surprised, because I know Tris, I'm from Kansas, and I've lived in Manhattan, lol. I've been meaning to follow up more seriously. He is most active as Terry Kath's volunteer master archivalist. What a guy; Dawayne knows everything. You have poked me at a time when the mental cobwebs of formatting have shaken loose and now I have more confidence in the article. I just now implemented all the rest of the changes I'd had really stuck in my mind! Thanks! And you can see the overall todo list on the Talk page, some of which can be crossed off, thanks to you. You can see that I made this article into a monstrous achievement consummate with the band's own achievement, which is indeed worthy of having major sections of books written about it. — Smuckola(talk) 04:01, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

2016

	Happy New Year 2016!
	Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels? Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unneccessary blisters.    – Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:04, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Random assessment question

Hello! I got your name off the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team page. I have a simple request: Could you please take a look at Emily Hampshire for me, and assess whether you think it's 'Start' class or 'C' class? I think I'm getting better at this, but I still have trouble assessing articles that are on the "bubble" between 'Start' and 'C' classes... Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:39, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

@IJBall: Hey there buddy. I can NOT believe that I missed your message. Well I guess it's better late than never, because yeah I think that one is class C and I set it as such. Also, I cropped the background noise out of the image. I hope you're having a good time on Wikipedia. — Smuckola(talk) 12:37, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you!! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:47, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Re: The kitten of DILIGENCE

Thanks! It always feels good to be of use.--Martin IIIa (talk) 11:41, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

@Martin IIIa: That you are, sir. Have you applied for access to the EBSCO archives at the Wikipedia Library? They have free access to the actual copies of the magazines, and Thibbs would let you in pronto. There are a lot of video game resources available beyond just blatant video game magazines, like business and technology magazines and newspapers. Also I sometimes find some like Billboard, at books.google.com. — Smuckola(talk) 23:14, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Wild Guns

Why did you list Wild Guns under Nintendo task force? It's not a Nintendo IP so I don't see how it's within scope. TarkusAB 17:28, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

@TarkusAB: Hi there. I wasn't sure of the exact criteria but of course it's relevant to Nintendo, and other non-Nintendo games on Nintendo platforms are marked as such because they are of course relevant to the Nintendo task force. But whatever. You were cool and you did a good job on Stadium Events so I just went into your history to contribute to whatever you were interested in lately. FYI, sometimes it's good to keep a draft open for a long time or to create a separate sandbox document as a long-term draft, rather than create a hundred small untrackable edits. — Smuckola(talk) 23:10, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

@Smuckola:OK. Yea I just saw and wasn't really familiar with Nin task force and then started reading and it didn't seem to fit. Looks like someone already removed the tag. Seems to be only for Nintendo owned IPs. But I forgot to say thanks for your contributions to Stadium Events and Wild Guns!!! You really helped out those articles. I liked your instruction manual citation style from Stadium Events and used it when writing up Wild Guns. And yea I need to use my sandbox more. TarkusAB 23:21, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

@TarkusAB: Oh great. I'm so glad. I need to talk with the developers of cite.php and other MediaWiki infrastructure, to ask about the future of citation formatting, because at some point the {{rp}} style will be converted to something more properly unifed. But at least this usage is clean enough that it can be done automatically. I'm amazed at how advanced you are for how relatively few edits you've done. Usually, people would be doing article class promotions after tens of thousands of edits, not 1,000. Please do let me know if you want any help or have any other interests. You can see my interests on my user page, but it's mostly Nintendo history like Nintendo 64, and the more esoteric lost artifacts and online stuff. And you can feel free to email me if you want to get more indepth or go off the wiki. — Smuckola(talk) 23:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

@Smuckola:I have interests in other topics but when it comes to wiki I really like working on VG articles. Mostly interested in console games from the NES-era until the end of PS2. Love survival horror games and whatever classic game has me interested at any moment in time. I think I've just been able to get these articles down to a science and it's easy for me to fix up a page. TarkusAB 10:46, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Ready for mainspace?

Hi Smuckola, I've had your "History of Nintendo's online strategies" page on my watchlist for ages now... It's a very interesting read and it seems quite well sourced. If you don't mind me asking, why haven't you brought it into mainspace yet? -Thibbs (talk) 02:24, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@Thibbs: I emailed you via Wikipedia's web GUI, fyi. Thank you so much. — Smuckola(talk) 04:16, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Cool. I'm backed up with work, but I'll check my email soon. This has been an unfortunately busy weekend for me. -Thibbs (talk) 19:23, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Regarding editor Oranjelo100

Hey,

If there's a long legacy of defiant and uncooperative stuff, that is a case for WP:ANI. I couldn't spot any prior ANI cases on this fellow after a quick search, although there was a Request for Comment from 2013 about pretty much the same issue we're discussing here. If three years of regular editors begging and pleading him to improve his contributions haven't caused a positive change, nothing will—and that's when it's high time for ANI to step in.

You seem to have several prior encounters with this editor, so I'm surprised you haven't gone this route already. Rest assured if you did, I would chime in with my two cents. And if you won't, then I just might.

-- turdas^talk 14:57, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I ended up doing it myself. Please post your grievances with the user here if you feel so inclined.

-- turdas^talk 13:20, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

@Turdas: I just looked up your grievance. I'm sorry I missed participation, but that guy is a totally moronic liar and WP:TEND. I don't think you'd have said that he could still end up being a good editor, if you had spent all those years knee-deep in his garbage content and attitude. :) He's a junkyard dog and wikipedia is his bone. But anyway, you did a good job and of course absolutely nothing came of it as always, as I can see from the abruptly ended ANI thread and from his endless disaster of a Talk page where he has unlimited quantities of warnings for every violation in the book, to which he replies "WP:ICANTHEARYOU WP:NOTGETTINGIT" or a flame. He can't be corrected or taught. You did such a good job, and what a total waste of our time. And this is exactly how Jimbo and friends want it--the encyclopedia literally absolutely anyone can edit, with no qualifications or even reputation. You and I are regarded no differently than him, total anarchy. — Smuckola(talk) 07:16, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

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Sorry, I'm a bit new to this, but on the page for the HBO show Oz, you edited it so Steven Wishnoff appears as a recurring cast member in all six seasons. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he first show up in season 2? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.186.5.37 (talk) 05:16, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

@47.186.5.37: Well the main concern is that if you don't know an essentially notable fact with a reliable source, then you simply don't edit. — Smuckola(talk) 03:54, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Reverts on Template:MOS CPU & Nintendo S-SMP ‎

Hello Smuckola. As you're the one who did the reverts, I'll ask you to back them up with fact. You state the part is not based on the MOS 65xx design. You also state the Nintendo S-SMP wiki article does not say it is. For the latter, here is the text from the wiki article:

"The Sony SPC700 is the S-SMP's integrated 8-bit processing core manufactured by Sony with an instruction set similar to that of the MOS Technology 6502 (as used in the Commodore 1541 diskette drive and the Vic 20, Apple II, BBC Micro and in modified form in the original NES)." AND "The SPC700 instruction set is quite similar to that of the 6502 microprocessor family, but includes additional instructions, including XCN (eXChange Nibble), which swaps the upper and lower 4-bit portions of the 8-bit accumulator, and an 8-by-8-to-16-bit multiply instruction."

This should even state, "VERY similar". As for the former, I'm certainly not the only person who has worked on coding for the part, either on the original h/w or in the emulation world. It's a 65xx down to 90% of the same op-code set. A quick web search shows others talking about this: https://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?t=10986&p=125236

Sure, Sony changed the naming of the opcodes (LDx => MOV x, etc.) and the decode table, but the chip functions the same at the core. Cycles per opcode, interrupt processing, status register.

So, please let me know where your expertise to refute (and revert) this comes from. Thanks, we're both working to make these articles & templates complete & correct. 71.236.191.197 (talk) 12:19, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

This is not how an encyclopedia works. Nobody needs any expertise at all beyond comprehension of an encyclopedia, to delete any statements that fail WP:RS. The burden is 0% on me and 100% on you to present a WP:RS for WP:V. Not a forum, not an anecdote, not strong opinion. Anything else is disruptive editing. Sorry. — Smuckola(talk) 08:06, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello Smuckola. Okay, though the encyclopedia will suffer in many areas such as these esoteric chips where there are usually no true WP:RS or WP:V reference materials such as articles or books. Many of the articles in this area just don't have, nor will have, these sources. Yes, it's the letter-of-the-law but you'll have quite a task redacting all the non-WP:RS WP:V in this area, such as at Category:65xx microprocessors. Now if you feel this category is meant to be only "65xx" named microprocessors, these others (Hudson Soft HuC6280 Mitsubishi 740 Nintendo SA-1 Renesas 740 Ricoh 2A03 Ricoh 5A22) should certainly not be there, correct? But the category itself states "as well as compatible 8/16-bit developments of the architecture by other companies." 71.236.191.197 (talk) 11:22, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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About the Crystal Pepsi Page.

Greetings. My name is Schlep82, A fanatic of soda. I see that You are trying to revert edits to the last release of Crystal Pepsi in the remaining stock as the "Nov 20th, 2017" Date of discontinuation.

Let Me explain.

Early this month, Many of us believe that the Nov 20th, 2017 date is the last date of Crystal Pepsi. All of us are wrong. Pepsi decided to partially release around the US in the "Dec. 11th, 2017" Date as the new stock of Crystal Pepsi. Since the release was so small, that there were very little known information of Crystal Pepsi December's release date, Of Ebay listings, and more pages about it. That's why You were trying to revert edits back the way they were. I understand that very much. I apologize about this mess of edits of today.

Thanks.

Update 12/26/2017. I have a question. Is other websites such as Facebook works in Wikipedia? I am extremely new to this wiki, and I want to figure it out the problem about Crystal Pepsi being the "November 20th, 2017" and it's links on this website.

Please answer here :

64DD article

I found a full page article on the 64DD in the December 1996 issue of Next Generation. Unfortunately, I don't know what to do with the info within - for instance, some of the specs don't match up with what's listed in Wikipedia, and I'm not sure what to make of the discrepancy (an error on either Wikipedia or Next Gen's part? a change in the specs prior to release? none of the above?). Since you've been working on the 64DD subject I hope you might have a better idea what to do with this. Here's a link to the archive dot org scan of the article.--Martin IIIa (talk) 01:59, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Robin Williams GA/FA?

Hey there. Given my interest in Robin Williams, I'm thinking if we should join forces to get the article up for a potential GA (and eventually an FA), using Phil Hartman and Katharine Hepburn, both FAs, as possible models. Eventually, if the Williams article does go to FA, it can be featured as a TFA on either July 21 (the 67th anniversary of his birth) or August 11 (the 4th anniversary of his death). However, I think this article may need to have a look at some issues such as date formats and so forth. Also, one of my concerns on the article is that the biography and career sections might look a bit disjointed in different places; those may have to be organized chronologically by years. Can you please let me know what your thoughts are about this? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:25, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

A goat for you!

Because sometimes you just need a goat.

JSFarman (talk) 05:48, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

SimTunes

Hi Smuckola. Normally I don't spend too much time concerning myself about article class ratings, but in the case of SimTunes, I really don't see this as being anything more than a stub. Aside from just visually looking like a stub, it fails both the objective measurements at WP:STUB (less than 250 words and 1500 characters) and the suggested Croughton-London rule of stubs. Furthermore, comparing it to WP:VG's example for a stub versus a start, I think it's clear that, by the project's standards, this article should be considered a stub. Thoughts? Canadian Paul 16:56, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@Canadian Paul: Hi. Aside from the fact that, as you said, none of this matters at all...You have mostly misunderstood and overstated the concept of a stub, and misattributed all your own stated criteria. WP:STUB is a rambling and mostly pointless mess, but among its non-statements, it does clearly state that there are no objective measurements at all. That's a statement which you contradicted in citing it. It specifically disclaims what you just misattributed, where it states that 250 words is not a valid measurement and that 1500 characters is not a valid measurement. The only reason it stated them is to disclaim them. Its whole point is to say size doesn't matter. WP:VG's assessment criteria of the "start" category quite explicitly describes the current state of this article.

The concept of a stub is where an editor may not even be totally sure whether it can be expanded, possibly has no RSes, or it hasn't been properly formatted with all the templates and sections and such. It's to say "this should probably become an article" or "here's the placeholder for what could become an article and hopefully won't be deleted". The concept of a 'start' type is where we cross the line of having ascertained all those things. The 'start' concept is that now we're totally sure we have started what could become at least a C class article. I assumed that this article can be expanded quite a bit more as I did on its abundantly notable precursor Sound Fantasy. That's an assumption by me regarding the availability of reliable sources because I read so much mention of SimTunes in the course of researching Sound Fantasy.

As you initially said, it's not something to spend any time on. There was no reason for you to have done so. I had first seen your report and was mildly interested, assuming that such pedantic verbosity about such minutea would surely lead me to revisit some long faded knowledge of the very basics and that I'd relearn something. But what you did is totally wrong by your own stated standards. Also, you should drop the casting of aspersions on people's behaviors by trying to analyze and provide commentary about my ability to chitchat with you on demand via my phone in the course of a given week. Particularly about such a total waste of my time -- unless you meant to be asking me to teach you the basics, which I'm happy to do. So feel free to revert yourself. Have a good day. — Smuckola(talk) 07:02, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

When someone thanks me

for an edit (as you recently did at Masonic Temple (Salina, Kansas)) I usually go to their user page to find out who they are. I have several reactions to my visit to yours. (1) Looking at your articles created I discover a lot of percussionists, leading me to wonder if you are one, because I am, and (2) the one that really got me to write to you is that you have committed one of what I consider to be the most grievous of writing faults, you have used the same interesting word not only twice in a paragraph, but twice in the same sentence. English is a wonderful language offering those who use it numerous choices of words, so I strongly urge you to consider changing the second “blatant” in the sentence to “flagrant” or something else. And remember the adage, ‘no good deed with go unpunished.” Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:06, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Carptrash: Le gasp!!! 1) I'm a percussionist! I've studied for years under the mighty mighty Markovich and his students! So thankfully, I know how to shop for and hold sticks now. I know how to hold my nose high. I'm proud of you for being one too. 2) That's not quite the most grievous! The much more grievous though not MOST grievous of all, is when you added an unformatted citation to a digital encyclopedia. Yeah it would have been worse to have no citation -- but is it worse for YOU? Consider the fact that you know better. Hmmmm...??! You know what century this is, and it's not dead trees? Okay now that I have amended my user page in grateful appeasement of the Carptrash, you shall get back to that Masonic Temple and use a {{cite book}} and everything else. I would have done it and then spanked your top hat with it, but I wasn't sure what was the first and last names in your random formatting. Okay I'll try. You check it.

Would you believe that Google Images claims that 2.5 million people have looked at my photo of the Masonic Temple, the same photo you see in that article? I don't think even that many bots are interested. — Smuckola(talk) 07:17, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

2.5 million is a lot. How did you come by that number? I would guess that my most looked at picture would be File:JMR-Memphis1.jpg, but who knows, other than it's not going to be two million. Hmmmm? I did that citation the way I always do them so I don't know better. And am a slow learner. But am considering taking a road trip to Wickenburg, Arizona to take a picture of the Masonic Temple there, the only AZ one not pictured. And the beat goes on. Carptrash (talk) 15:05, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

@Carptrash: Wowowow. I used to live near Tucson, and I met Mitch at his house near Phoenix. There are some things I miss about that area but not about actually living in a desert where only the javelina and Tohono O'Odham are aupposed to live. I miss winning at the casinos. I would help you with some articles if you can possibly tear yourself away from your beloved sockpuppeting hobby lol. So I guess you like the Masonics. I would like to know more of the history of this monument to the historical local small time white power boys' club. I haven't cared enough to research it unless I found someone else who did. I uploaded the photo both to Wikipedia and to Google maps, and Google periodically emails me the alleged viewing statistics. — Smuckola(talk) 18:52, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I'm sort of in a bad mood, but . . . ... But I drove maybe 45 miles (more in km) to Wikenburg and spent 2 hours wandering around in a 110ᵒ (less in centigrade) cloudless town and the best that I could discover (It is Sunday so my official options were limited) was that it - the Masonic Hall - was demolished to make way for the new city hall, community center complex. Put another way, no picture. Then 45 miles home. Now I get to figure out how to include this very original research into wikipedia. I don't care much about the Masons other than the mason tradition is building - that's what masons traditionally are - so they have some very interesting buildings around the USA., and likely the world. Carptrash (talk) 00:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

@Carptrash: But it's a dryyyyyy heat...! lol You're wanting to mention that it was demolished? You should google it, looking for local newspaper articles. If you can't easily find anything, you can email the newspaper or the city government or the public library and ask them to check. Yeah I'm interested in ye olden masonic history, back when it was good for anything. Usually Knights Templar sorta stuff on up to the construction using sacred geometry and the founding of America. Back when they knew how to make a building out of *real* marble rather than being concrete clad in a veneer that fell apart after two years. Before it became the fat ol' white guys' club. — Smuckola(talk) 01:02, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

F that "dry heat" crap. I am still soaking wet and I've been home for several hours and several beers.. For a good, though somewhat plodding book on this stuff check out The Secret Architecture of our Nation's Capital by David Ovason. While I don't agree with everything he says (I checked out some of his star map claims and it did not work out,) there is a lot in the book and while I can go "poo poo" to 20% of it that still leave a lot."Mitch"?? Carptrash (talk) 01:11, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

@Carptrash:Yeah you're right, you definitely should have stuck with centigrade, much much lower. Treat yourself! That's cool, I like the tv series America Unearthed and The Curse of Oak Island. I guess youve already hit "crown time" for the day. Yeah, Mitch Markovich lives near you. — Smuckola(talk) 01:38, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't have TV (except to watch DVDs on) but will check out Mitch. Carptrash (talk) 01:41, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

You know the old joke,(Q) What do you call someone who like to hang out with musicians?" (A) a drummer. Or (Q) How do you get the drummer to be quite? (A) Put some music in front of him. That's me. Although I've been doing it for 50 years my rudiments are non existent. Mitch, I feel, would not approve. Carptrash (talk) 01:45, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Four-player robot game

I just ran into this statement from Shigeru Miyamoto in the March 1997 issue of GamePro: "It would be fun to have four people make one robot walk. Each player would be in charge of one limb, so that the timing of all the players must be in sync in order to, say, make the robot jump." Do you know if this idea ever turned into an actual game (with a corresponding Wikipedia article that I could add this quote to)?--Martin IIIa (talk) 01:37, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Martin IIIa: Hey there bro. I googled for something like "four player robot game miyamoto" and I found this which I'd never heard of before. Check that and the articles that are hyperlinked in the prose there. It looks like Project Giant Robot may have become the Labo robot. But I don't know anything else at all. — Smuckola(talk) 03:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Nintendo 64 Dream Team

Some months ago you were asking me about reception to the Nintendo 64 "Dream Team" lineup. I just stumbled upon a couple of paragraphs on the subject in the May 1997 issue of Next Generation, page 41. Here's a link: [3].--Martin IIIa (talk) 03:03, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

In a sort of "Dream Team" vein, I found an interesting tidbit about Electronic Arts' involvement with the Nintendo 64 in the June 1997 issue of Next Generation, page 19. I've already added it to FIFA Soccer 64, but I wasn't sure if it was significant enough to be of use in any other article, so I figured I'd pass it on to you.--Martin IIIa (talk) 23:56, 24 September 2018 (UTC) ...also, they have more on the subject on page 30 of the same magazine, under the headline "Friends at Last".--Martin IIIa (talk) 01:39, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't find a link to scans of it, but on the same page as the EGM article I just added as a citation to 64DD, there's an article called "SingleTrac Joins 'Dream Team'". The relevance should be obvious from that title. :) --Martin IIIa (talk) 19:43, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Martin IIIa: Whaaaaat? A Dream Team member I've never heard of?! Man they must have really messed the bed if they got that far and failed to make a single release for years. Wow. And were never named in any Dream Team lists I've ever seen, including articles detailing the background of the Dream Team. I've heard of Twisted Metal but not the company. I hope Nintendo 64 would be a comprehensive list of sources if any reader or researcher ever wants to rediscover the Dream Team. So I want to see that article someday :D Thank you sir. — Smuckola(talk) 21:18, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

WikiCite

Hello! Quiddity relayed to me a question you posted in the WikiCite IRC Channel (which I was not monitoring), I hope you'll find the WikiCite project interesting. It's an initiative aiming to create a structured repository of sources in Wikidata. We're aiming to create a rich, collaboratively curated database of bibliographic metadata, including everything that's cited in Wikipedia, but also to support many other use cases. The goal is not to replace Citation templates and references: we're currently looking at ways in which we can curate bibliographic metadata in a centralized way, as a precondition for making reference management in Wikimedia projects suck less. The annual report we published last year should give you a sense of where the community is going, and we have the next annual event (WikiCite 2018) coming up in 10 days. Last but not least, there's a mailing list (wikicite-discuss) you can join if you want to learn more about the project or bring up any question or concern. --DarTar (talk) 00:36, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

Good cleanup at Talk:Bernie Sanders! Bishonen | talk 22:03, 26 January 2019 (UTC).

@Bishonen: Thank you so much! I try to stay out of politics on Wikipedia but I'll wikignome the heck out of a good cause! :D Thank you for saying so, and I love using that 'thank' button too. :) — Smuckola(talk) 00:31, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

IFS - Depression research

Hi Smuckola, hopefully you saw my email about my amendments to the IFS page. If not, by way of introduction, I'm a registered clinical psychologist who has worked in University research settings and over the last 3 years been trained in IFS. I wanted to add some solid research to this page, particularly under the section of clinical application of IFS, as this section is not backed up by peer-reviewed, controlled, evidence-based research.

I appreciate you requiring a higher standard of encyclopedic prose. The reason why I used more casual language was because one of the criticisms of the page, in Talk, was "This article uses language that is rather esoteric and difficult to understand."

You remind me of a Professor that I published a number of peer-reviewed papers with who always pushed me to a higher standard of academia.

With my amendment, I probably sacrificed academic clarity for brevity, as I said I'm new to WP and I'm trying to balance scientific speak with lay accessibility.

What do you think about the following rewrite under the heading of Depression?

The second controlled study to test IFS as a treatment modality, for any mental health condition, targeted depression in female college students. There was no statistically significant difference in efficacy between IFS and the control group of 'treatment as usual’ (TSU) - which in this study was CBT or IPT. Limitations of the study follow from the sample size (37) which in turn meant insufficient statistical power to control for antidepressant treatment and group therapy. (Note, however, that more people in the TSU group were prescribed antidepressants during the course of therapy.)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Countertransfer (talk • contribs) 03:40, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

@Countertransfer: Hello there. I guess you renamed your wikipedia account today for privacy, but you have a very lovely name anyway. :) I didn't mean to be too blunt on my edit summary. I don't understand why you're wanting to write about this study at all, because the words of your own summary describes it as being worthless. It's a non-notable study whose results say that it wasn't a very good study. It is too small, is ill-conceived, contradicts itself, and has no conclusion. What's the point? I guess it was a valid homework project for that school but I don't see WP:N or WP:RS in it, right? The only point you mentioned is that it has a citation at all, whereas the other ones existing in the article aren't cited. Am I missing something? This article was recently flooded with reliable sources WP:RS at the bottom of the article but which don't have inline citations, so aren't those worth starting from?

Regarding your Wikipedia presence, I am so very glad that a WP:RS-minded sourcer is contributing and I would be glad to assist the general wikipedia journey. The unencyclopedic prose I mentioned are the words "encouraging" and "unfortunately" which are like color commentary or WP:OR. Which again were contradictory to the meaning anyway, because you basically said "the encouraging results of no significance and insufficient power". — Smuckola(talk) 04:01, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I realised as I looked at different WP u/n's that people don't usually use their own names (this was my first and middle) so time for a reboot. Sorry, what is a WP:RS?

Yes I thought they were the two words you were concerned about, I'm learning :-). I was trained in writing scientific papers to never overstate - so 'encouraging results' is preferable to 'we now have evidence'. 'Unfortunately' is a polite way of introducing the shortcomings of a paper. Having said this, this paper is actually an important contribution as it is only the 2nd research paper on the effectiveness of IFS in a clinical population and while the numbers are small, critically they are large enough to allow calculations that reach statistical significance showing IFS was as effective as accepted therapies. This is a solid research finding. I add the limitations to simply offer a balanced view which I understand is what WP is all about. I realise my wording did not explain this (see V3 below). As I mentioned above, in my 2nd version, while the biases (i.e. medication) could not be controlled for in a multivariate analysis, the bias was actually against IFS i.e. IFS had a headwind yet still came out as being as good as the other established therapies. Maybe I was being too understated, again it's my scientific training. But, more importantly, none of the four other 'Applications' have ANY independently researched, supporting controlled, peer-reviewed research, so I would suggest they all need to be deleted ahead of the application to Depression. Here's V3. Please let me know how it could be improved:

The second controlled study to test IFS as a treatment modality for a mental health condition targeted depression in female college students. IFS was found to be as effective as the control group, which received the two dominant, accepted, established therapies of Cognitive Behaviour Therapy (CBT) & Interpersonal Therapy (IPT). While large enough to reach statistical significance, limitations of the study follow from the sample size (37) which in turn meant insufficient statistical power to control for antidepressant treatment and group therapy. (Note, however, that more people in the CBT & IPT group were prescribed antidepressants during the course of therapy.)

PS This paper is actually one of those 'at the bottom of the article but which don't have inline citations.' Countertransfer (talk) 07:37, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

@Countertransfer: Hi there. I apologize again if I was too blunt in my initial response. I am not a psychologist, an academic, or whatever. I really encourage you to start a discussion on the Talk page to find someone more academic, because I don't know why you'd want to include a study that minimizes itself as being flawed, just because it was published through a study. Why would you do that, of all available sources? There's another guy who recently compiled that huge list of sources, and he'd be great. Look at the article's version history to see some contributors and ping them with {{ping | username}}. I'm sorry if I'm not able to deep dive right alongside you, but please do let me know whatever I can possibly do. — Smuckola(talk) 00:31, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thank you for your assistance cleaning up my contribution to a Wikipedia page. I am new to editing on the platform and thus my edit was disorganized and poorly written. You assisted in cleaning it up and making it easily readable. McGee4531 (talk) 20:49, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

@McGee4531: Wow, that barnstar comment was very well written lol. What the heck happened all of a sudden? I encourage anyone to write in a sandbox in your personal space, and to propose changes on the Talk pages. I write major changes in sandboxes all the time so I don't disrupt anybody too much with my drafts and noise. And definitely read WP:RS very carefully many times, to learn what a reliable source is, because everything on an encyclopedia must be reliably sourced. Read WP:NOTNEWS WP:NOTBLOG WP:FANCRUFT to know what Wikipedia is not, which is pretty tough to sort out sometimes when you're a fanatic. Our personal beliefs don't matter, and it's a happy coincidence when we can actually find the truth. I've done a lot of hard work at archive.org to dig up old IGN articles that I never knew existed by google alone. And there are lots of magazine archives at books.google.com. That Nintendo 64 accessories article is hugely unsourced and I've already deleted half of it and should probably delete more and move it to wikia.com. Please let me know if there's anything I can help with your journey and welcome to Wikipedia. — Smuckola(talk) 00:31, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Superb!

Thanks for Taligent! Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: Thank you thank you so much for saying so. For saying anything, about such an obscure niche subject. My goal is to make a readable action-packed story as much as chronicling every molecule of history that would honor the Pink pioneers if they hopefully read it today. I actually want to find them and promote the article and their work, and make a resurgence of interest in our shared heritage. It's weird because the story is half comprised of stuff that NEVER HAPPENED! And hype. lol. Please do feel free to make any feedback, about its readability and flow and organization. I get almost no feedback whatsoever from these weird deep dive subjects, so I can only guess at what anybody thinks or wants. It's not complete, it's just my 1.1 so far, and it's likewise with Workplace OS. I just constantly maintain my own sandbox of both of those, so I don't disrupt everyone daily. This intensive deep-dive study into Pink has allowed me to start broadening the interwoven history of AIM alliance, PowerPC, A/UX, Copland (operating system), someday OS/2, and maybe eventually Mach (kernel). And it made me discover Google Fuchsia. It makes me wonder if there should be a subproject for 90s tech graveyard. ;) — Smuckola(talk) 00:31, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Ahhh A/UX. This really should have been OS7. I'm sure there's a story worth telling there. Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:58, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: Heck yeah there is, and I wrote half of the existing Wikipedia article so far! I redid half the article a couple years ago and I just did a fair update yesterday, including some mention of Taligent and Copland into the timeline. And still I feel like it's the tip of the A/UX iceberg. I wonder if it was edged out first by the unaffordability of RAM in the late 80s and early 90s, which is a fact I WP:BOLDly pointed out in Taligent at the risk of WP:OR, and secondly by the constant promise of TalOS coming out Real Soon Now(tm). Why didn't all that System 7 abstraction work go straight to Pink and Workplace OS? I just saw that you started the Taligent article in 2002 so that's cool, you Wikipedia pioneer. I'll go read your original version now with much respect. :D ...okay done. Wow that was well written, and much more thorough and higher quality than a lot of original articles. In 2002, it was a weird niche subject on a weird niche website! It sounds like you sourced a lot more than Taligent's books, and maybe you had the fantastic "Blunders" book.   I can see quite a few details of your original posting that survived all the way until I rewrote it all, and which nonetheless provided a lot of pointers and topic goals to hit with more neutral prose and citations. Somebody since then touched it up with some weird insider tidbits that sound as if it was a former taligent employee, like when they wrote about the survey done to customers about operating systems. That was very very oddly specific and I left it in because I need try to to track it down somehow. You said "Apple continued to talk about Pink as if it were to be the future Mac OS, and magazines throughout the early 1990's show various mock-ups of what it would be like." and I would like clues about citations on that talk and those mockups if possible. I also did a lot of work on Star Trek project — Smuckola(talk) 07:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, got distracted. I meant to ask if you have any good references to flesh out the Copland article? I'd like to take it to FA at some point. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:52, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: Yeah buddy I'm working on that. I just got two books with the Copland story as written by its developers and havent even started looking for magazines. So far, my wiki story is circling from Taligent to Workplace OS with a massive detour through Copland, and I guess starting over at NeXT lol. I have rolling sandboxes of Taligent and Workplace OS right now, with another publication forthcoming once I cull a few more Taligent and PPC books I just got, find a couple of sources on particular things as I mentioned above, and correct an error I introduced. I even have a color CommonPoint logo. Just dont ever reference the existence of real things as "was" because what did Copland become after it wasnt an OS anymore? An accursed frog? :) WP:COMPNOW MOS:PRESENT — Smuckola(talk) 18:28, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

More like a BSOD in my experience! I really wonder why the released the first "beta". Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:25, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: Yeah the Copland DRs don't make any sense to me. You need a reference release no matter what -- except if it's totally unusable lol. I don't understand why Gil Amelio made public comments about how Copland was just a mass of componentry that people magically expected to come together, but he didn't appoint a Copland Czar as project manager. He was the enterprise fixer, so why didn't he hire a software engineering project fixer? And throwing away A/UX, Pink, and Taligent all the way. It's just billions of dollars and everyone's lives! Oh well! :D — Smuckola(talk) 01:58, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Apple Inc.

Hello Smuckola,

You've been identified either as a previous member of the project, an active editor on Apple related pages, a bearer of Apple related userboxes, or just a hoopy frood.

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RhinosF1^(chat)_{(status)(contribs)} and Smuckola on behalf of WikiProject Apple Inc. - Delivered 15:00, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much Smuckola for the Barnstar!

I highly, highly appreciate you for giving me a Teamwork Barnstar. I am a relatively new editor as I joined Wikipedia around a year and a half ago. So this is actually my second Barnstar. I'm really glad that I inspired you to clean up World 1-1. My interests are surprisingly, not actually related to Mario. It's actually astronomy! I hope you have a great rest of your day as I am sending good vibes to you. AdrianWikiEditor (talk) 13:30, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@AdrianWikiEditor: Hello hello wow that's great. Let me tell you, I grew up completely wrapped up in video games during their golden years. I wanted so much to just jump into the TV and live in the game world, especially with Mario. I spent a lot of time in World 1-1 because I was little! lol I wanted to know the people who'd made these games from across the world in the magical Silicon Valley and Japan and sent them to me. So I looked at these games as being like the stars in the sky, such that we were all able to look at the same thing together from wherever we live. Let me know if I can help. — Smuckola(talk) 03:18, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll let you know if I need anything. AdrianWikiEditor (talk) 16:53, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Reliable sources List for WP: Apple and iOS task force

Hello Smuckola,

Following your suggestion I'm trying to put up a Reliable sources List for WP: Apple and iOS task force.I have a few questions:

1- Wiki sources must be verifiable (WP:Verifiability and WP:Reliable_sources). Do websites that require log in to provide information qualify? As an example, www.appannie.com provides information about app rank history, i.e. one can check if an app reached the top sales for a given country. However it requires an account (free) to provide the data. Does it qualify as a verifiable source? BTW: it is my opinion that it should qualify and there are precedents: Most scientific publications require log in to paid website to retrieve the paper (e.g https://www.elsevier.com/ or https://www.sciencedirect.com/) What is your view?

2- When it comes to Reliable sources for iOS apps, I've found out that these are usually divided in three major groups: games, education, and everything else. Do you think I should include sources for iOS games? Or is this in the scope of WP: Video_games?

3- I'm considering adding a "Guidelines" section to the iOS task force... may need an hand. I'll let you know once the draft is ready.

Thanks, --Coel Jo (talk) 00:28, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I've just published a list of "All Apple" webistes ad Reliable Sources for the WikiProject Apps. Please take a look at it and modify whatever you fell necessary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Apple_Inc./Resources#Sources Thanks, Coel Jo (talk) 01:38, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Need help with new astronomy infobox montage.

Back in October I desided I wanted to create a montage of images of different astronomical images. (Kinda how major cities like New York City and Los Angeles have more than one image. Only problem, I didn't know how to do it. I just added a single image of the Milky Way instead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/862346980) It's still there, and now I am getting ready to add that montage after waiting for the right time. I got inspired from the Ecology page and I used the plane "infobox" like Ecology. I have everything ready, just one thing. The image aren't close to each other. Here's what I have. Note: I want all the image close and next to each other like those major cities articles. AdrianWikiEditor (talk) 04:27, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@AdrianWikiEditor: Wow, i'm sorry I missed your message. Spring weather happened and I've been busy. I'm so impressed with your ambitions. This is cool because you inspired me to learn some new image handling technique, because you gave some good examples. New York City does it manually, by using an image editor app on a personal computer to just composite them all into one static image. Los Angeles does it in a way I've never seen, using Template:photomontage, which seems to automatically align everything with one dimension setting. So I assembled the Ecology and Los Angeles methods in my second example. I think your caption text was probably messed up so I changed it in the second example. I modified your example to vertically hug a little more, if you don't mind two of the images being kinda small because of their aspect ratio. You have to order the images based on their compatible aspect ratios; some are wider like 16:9 and some are boxy like 4:3. I'm surprised that there isn't an infobox for the sciences; there's nothing on Science, Physics, etc. — Smuckola(talk) 08:50, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Astronomy

Clockwise from top; The nearest galaxies to the Milky Way in the Local Group, the Pleiades, an open star cluster in Taurus, An image of the supermassive black hole in Messier 87, the Milky Way as viewed from La Silla Observatory, and a giant Hubble mosaic of the Crab Nebula, a supernova remnant

Astronomy

From top: the nearest galaxies to the Milky Way in the Local Group; a giant Hubble mosaic of the Crab Nebula; the Pleiades; the Milky Way as viewed from La Silla Observatory; the supermassive black hole in Messier 87

@AdrianWikiEditor:,:@Smuckola: Congrats! It seems very very cool. Must it be done with wikidata images or can we use images uploaded directly on the wikipage?... like software screenshots Coel Jo (talk) 15:19, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@Smuckola:, @Coel Jo: Thank YOU so much, again, Smuckola. I really like the overall feel to the caption box. As for Coel Jo, most major cities except for Los Angeles for some reason, have a combined image. This way, it can be used for easy sharing across all wiki's. We could keep it the way it is or somehow collapse it into a separate image. Also Smuckola has the honors of publishing it as he did the amazing work! AdrianWikiEditor (talk) 21:40, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Help with WikiProject: Apps

Hi,

I've been working on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Apps page, particularly, I've added Wikipedia:WikiProject Apps#Guidelines section. I could use an extra pair of eyes to check the work. Can you take a look at it?

Thanks, --Coel Jo (talk) 18:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@Smuckola: I've been looking at some articles within the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Apps (articles about apps and app developers) and find a large number of articles poorly referenced. Before starting to correct them, I've published myself an article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landka) to serve as guidance. Could you please take a look at the way I've referenced the article and let me know if you have any suggestions?

Thanks, Coel Jo (talk) 01:28, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Radar Scope

I greatly appreciate you providing some copy editing on it, thank you. If you don't mind, would you be willing to copyedit the rest of the page if needed? I'm thinking of taking this to GAN and I want it to be up to snuff before I even bother trying to nominate it. Thanks. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 04:42, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

@Namcokid47: My friend, it is an honor to collaborate not only to such great ends but from such wretched beginnings. They said it couldn't be done! Or that it shouldn't be done! Who are they? I don't know, but I definitely imagine them. I recently did the same with R.O.B. and I long ago did the same with 64DD, to my complete astonishment. 64DD dominated and consumed my life for a year or two, to my horrified delight. I never imagined anything substantial could be said about poor R.O.B. or Radar Scope. I have never nominated anything to Good, though I have collaborated several times with serial do-Good-ers like yourself and I should maybe do that myself sometime. Second only to Pac-Man?!!! Man we should play Radar Scope someday. — Smuckola(talk) 03:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

San Francisco Rush

Hey, how's it going? I'm still keeping an eye out for Nintendo 64 stuff, but haven't come across anything major lately, mostly because the past couple of months I've been mainly going through issues of Sega Saturn Magazine (which naturally makes practically zero mention of Nintendo 64). I have procured a copy of Electronic Gaming Monthly number 100, which doesn't seem to have scans online anywhere. If you're interested in me scanning any Nintendo 64 stuff from EGM 100 for you, let me know.

But of course I'm mainly posting to ask you a question. :) Do you know anything about San Francisco Rush: Extreme Racing, particularly the "Alcatraz Edition" and the Nintendo 64 port? The preview I'm reading in Next Generation and the unsourced information in the WP article differ concerning the number of tracks included in each version.--Martin IIIa (talk) 23:20, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, there's an article in GamePro 108 about Nintendo reducing the wholesale prices for N64 cartridges, theoretically allowing the retail prices of third party games to drop about $5. I couldn't think of a place on WP where that would be notable enough to include, but maybe you can, or at least find it interesting. I'm going off of an actual physical copy of the magazine, but I found a scan of the page here. There's some 64DD stuff under "News Bits" too.--Martin IIIa (talk) 16:58, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@Martin IIIa: I know absolutely nothing about San Francisco Rush! Yeah the cartridge price content goes on Nintendo 64 Game Pak. I have worked really hard on that, to set the record straight about the accurate and realistic ups and downs about something so turbulent for so many reasons, because fandom likes to dumb it down to the bad faith and incomplete one-note story of Nintendo just being a powermonger or monopoly. It's not enough to just say that they're more expensive but yeah it'd be great if we knew more about how much and when and why! I had kinda vaguely read somewhere that crossplatform games tended to cost about $5-10 more on N64. But there's so much armwaving about it, ya know. Yeah I'd wanna put that information in there myself and I am also due for adding an old quote about the technological superiority of cartridge from Peter Molyneux. — Smuckola(talk) 02:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! As something of a follow-up, I flipped through my copy of GamePro 124 to get a look at the suggested retail prices on Nintendo 64 games. In the aforementioned article Nintendo boasts that prices could go as low as $69.99, but all but one of the third-party games reviewed in GamePro 124 were priced at $59.99. So either the drop in wholesale prices was three times as effective as Nintendo thought (highly unlikely), or the cost of Game Paks went down again over the following year. I'll be keeping an eye out...--Martin IIIa (talk) 16:29, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@Martin IIIa: Cool. — Smuckola(talk) 22:15, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

N64 basketball game

Here's an interesting tidbit from EGM 100: "In other sports news, an unnamed Silicon Valley developer is working on a basketball game for the N64. Originally the game was to have the very expensive Michael Jordan license on it. ... The game is reportedly hotter than hot, and is nearly complete but there's only one problem. You see, the game was planned to be published by BMG Interactive and now that the group is no longer around, the developer is shopping the game around in a major way." The N64 has enough basketball games that even with all those clues (plus the magazine's cover date, November 1997) I'm having a hard time narrowing down which game they're talking about, and of course there's the possibility that it ended up never getting released. Any idea which game this is?--Martin IIIa (talk) 17:02, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

@Martin IIIa: I have no clue. Earlier today, I posted your quote to IRC and to reddit here, but I have no reply yet. Interesting. There are so many unreleased or incomplete games. Even for programmers and historians, the source code would be invaluable. — Smuckola(talk) 06:21, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for asking around! There's a short preview in EGM 102 which makes me now think the game is probably Fox Sports College Hoops '99. The preview says a still-unnamed basketball game (the preview is under "Z-Axis Basketball", but EGM makes clear that this is not even a provisional title) has been developed by Z-Axis and as of yet has no publisher. Z-Axis is from Silicon Valley, Wikipedia's listing shows the only other N64 game Z-Axis made is Space Invaders, and the release date is after EGM 102 was published, so it all seems to fit. But of course it's all circumstantial evidence, with nothing concrete to link the game mentioned in EGM 100 to the game mentioned in EGM 102, or either one to Fox Sports College Hoops '99. If only the preview had mentioned BMG... argh. Sorry, I just needed to vent a little. Let me know if you stumble upon anything.--Martin IIIa (talk) 19:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@Martin IIIa: I just don't even know what to say! :) That's a question for the people who were there, maybe on Twitter or linkedin, and maybe they could give a clue to guide RS research. — Smuckola(talk) 22:15, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

It's been ages, but I've made one small advance in solving the mystery. Next Generation 36 has an article on the game, and this one mentions both Z-Axis as the developer and BMG as the former publisher, so that pretty definitively links the three articles together. Of course, that still leaves the question of whether the game is Fox Sports College Hoops '99, a game which was never finished, or a game which ended up being released for a different platform.--Martin IIIa (talk) 19:20, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

KC stuff

Thanks! If you're interested in KCK stuff and have access, it might be nice to check the archives of the Kansas City Star about the openings of the new libraries. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:00, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: Yeah I'm all over the KC metro and I just renewed my WP:LIBRARY subscription to newspapers.com. I want to expand Hyatt Regency walkway collapse and Troost Avenue, but let me know what you'd like to see. The KCMO library has one employee who is fanatical about Wikipedia and is the main organizer at WP:MKC. — Smuckola(talk) 22:15, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Awesome! I want to get info on the openings of some KCK Library branches: Mr. and Mrs. F.L. Schlagle Library (Opened in 2001), South Branch Library (opened in 2012), and Turner Community Library (unknown to me when it opened)

Also if you like I can send suggested picture requests for certain sites in the KC metro area that could use some photographs.

Thanks,

WhisperToMe (talk) 23:54, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: Yeah I'd like that, and I'm a photographer. In the last day, I published new photos at City workhouse castle, Troost Avenue, and at the bottom of Laugh-O-Gram Studio. A while ago I did Tiffany Castle. I want to learn mapping so I can put a proper map on Swope Park like they have on Central Park. I'll have to find the JC Nichols house and his various points of disgrace. I just got my newspapers.com subscription renewed via WP:LIBRARY. Thanks. — Smuckola(talk) 20:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Did you ever live in the KC metro, or are you just mass-targeting all metro areas with a nuclear bomb of wiki goodness? If you don't mind me asking. — Smuckola(talk) 23:31, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't remember if you saw it, but I also wrote all the content at City workhouse castle and most of it at Tiffany Castle. I wanna write about some neighborhoods such as Lykins and Tiffany Springs. If I was given some good key sources, I'd probably write about whatever they are and I'd definitely format and cite them into existing writing. I'll search ye olden KC Star on newspapers.com at some point. — Smuckola(talk) 23:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Another 64DD article

The January 1998 issue of EGM has an article on the 64DD. I couldn't immediately see anything useful for WP in it, as it's basically an opinion piece supplemented with some basic facts that we already have sourced, but I thought at the least you'd find it interesting. I found a scan here.--Martin IIIa (talk) 14:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@Martin IIIa: aaaaahahaha. Tricorder scan of the disaster site indicate trace residue of interesting factoids to be grafted into the existing framework of lamentable notability. This is a choice find, to underscore the popular lack of confidence in, and objective challenges against, the platform. Well done, sir. — Smuckola(talk) 22:15, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

@Martin IIIa and Sergecross73: Check ==> this <== out. See how cool those guys are as a reference desk. They'll just email you a PDF. You gotta sign up for WP:LIBRARY, bro. Go check out Nintendo 64 Game Pak because I've licked some of the most stubborn citations there with the new Library search engines. And behold, for you may now READ THE SOURCES. I'm told that you can just click and auto-create a Wikipedia Library Card and read the linked article. Do you have a library card? Let me know if it works. Meanwhile, Internet Archive and retromags and retrocdn and whatnot are blowin up and becoming so complete, as you darn well know. It's a dead tree renaissance. Next, we'll hopefully have the Japanese magazines and newspapers with auto translation for some *real* hometown history lol. — Smuckola(talk) 11:06, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Creeping Death

Hello. I am trying to overhaul the article Creeping Death and I saw [your edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Creeping_Death&diff=946474914&oldid=934710950] to the page from March 20th. I was wondering what your reasoning was for removing the amount of times that the song has been played live, especially when Master Of Puppets and Seek And Destroy both still retain this statistic. Thanks. ℭ𝔬𝔤𝔞𝔦𝔡𝔥 (talk) 03:33, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Collaboration on Tetris 64

Hello! A while back we did a sort-of collab on Radar Scope, which became a GA. I was wondering you'd be up to doing another one with me? I was thinking of bringing Tetris 64 for the Nintendo 64 to GA, as I find it to be one of the most unique takes on the Russian puzzle game (specifically for the Bio Sensor, what a weird gadget that is....). I notice that you often edit articles related to the N64, so I thought this would be of some interest to you. Lemme know if you're up for this! Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 03:10, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Upcoming FAC nomination

Hi Smuckola. Saw your Retro Motivation section on your talk page. Resonates. I did quite a bit of work on Telengard and some on The Bard's Tale and The Bard's Tale II, among others. I'm about to bring a play-by-mail game article that started in the 1980s (still going) called Hyborian War set in Conan's Hyborian Age to the Featured Article nomination page in about a week. I saw that you're a member of Wikiproject Role Playing Games, so if you review Featured Articles, please consider reviewing it. I'm a bit concerned that it will sit unreviewed given that it's a niche (retro) topic. Thanks for your time. Airborne84 (talk) 07:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Smuckola. I just posted the Hyborian War Featured Article renomination. If you get some time in the coming week or two, would appreciate a review. Thanks for your time. Airborne84 (talk) 02:22, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Airborne84 Well my friend, I am not an official reviewer, just a copy editor. And maybe if there's some specific aspect of an article that needs clarification or refinement, I can look from different perspectives. I like to pay respect to people who are doing high quality work, especially to weird obscure stuff and lost causes. I've never seen a PBM so I'll learn about that by copy editing it! — Smuckola(talk) 05:23, 14 June 2020 (UTC

Thanks Smuckola. I did have someone from the Guild of Copyeditors go through and do a thorough copyedit (twice actually, once for Good Article and once for Featured Article). And there are no "official reviewers", but I understand if you haven't reviewed any articles before. Of course, you are still welcome to copyedit if you would like. If you do, you could "comment" afterward (vs "support" or "oppose" if not comfortable with those) on the nomination, noting that you checked only from a copyediting perspective—noting your thoughts. Or not. Thanks for your time and interest! Airborne84 (talk) 14:19, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Just saw the copyediting on Hyborian War. Really nice work, thanks! I appreciate it. Believe that will be helpful at the nomination page. Again, no worries about posting there if you haven't reviewed before; this was very helpful! Airborne84 (talk) 14:27, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Airborne84: I'm amazed that it helped. I would comment to you for sure, that I had to really parse some of it from a copy editing standpoint but I couldn't understand a lot of the very intense and obscure lingo :) — Smuckola(talk) 11:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

"Apple Silicon is not ARM"?

That French piece sounds similar to this column. I don't know if that's a case of independently coming up with the same ideas - including the comparison to how Apple uses UNIX - or one copying from the other.

I'm not sure, but both seem to think that "ARM" means "CPU core designed by ARM" and to imply that the A-series SoCs use cores designed by ARM. They haven't done so since the A5 - the A6 has an Apple-designed core, has have all the subsequent A-series SoCs. They implement the "A" (application processor) profiles of v7 and v8 versions of the ARM architecture, for which Apple has an architectural license, but the processor designs are from Apple, not ARM.

But I guess the point they're making is that there's a lot of stuff outside the CPU core that's designed by Apple and isn't just implementing an ARM-designed instruction set. True, but "we can not therefore say that Apple "switches to ARM"", from the Google translation of the French article, is bogus - the new processors implement a different instruction set, which affects developers, so, yeah, among other things, they are switching from x86-64 to ARM64. Guy Harris (talk) 20:23, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

+1 for changing "[Apple's] personal computer product line" to "Macintosh"

The first instruction set transition was from the 6502 to the 68000 family (although, to be fair, that wasn't transitioning an existing line to a new ISA, it was introducing a new line with a new ISA), so extra credit for this edit. Guy Harris (talk) 00:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Aesop's Fables

Hi, responding to your revert on Aesop's Fables (film series). It is very, very common on Wikipedia to have a filmography/list of titles for film series and filmmakers. For example, the Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies filmography is so built out that it has to be split up into decades. Why do you think a filmography list is acceptable for other cartoon series, but not for Aesop's Fables? — Toughpigs (talk) 05:10, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Smuckola, I haven't heard from you about this yet. Given that other long-running cartoon series have filmographies, is it okay with you if I restore the filmography to the Aesop's Fables article? — Toughpigs (talk) 15:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

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@Toughpigs: Hi there. I had a whole reply here on the 29th but that browser tab crashed. I had already explained the situation clearly in the edit message including the links to wikipedia policy. I'll add WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and WP:RS. So read all that for starters! We need comprehensive prose about reliable secondary sources, not trivial text dump lists. — Smuckola(talk) 08:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Favor

Would you mind looking up these sources and posting the excerpts concerning Cedar Point?

• Sandusky Register – February 1, 1952
• Sandusky Register – June 13, 1952
• Sandusky Register – December 31, 1952

Thanks. --GoneIn60 (talk) 01:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@GoneIn60: Yeah buddy, one of them was continued on a second page so there are four PDFs here. Let me know when you download them and I'll delete them. Is it referring sometimes to a park called Cedar Point and sometimes to a city called Cedar Point? Or what? — Smuckola(talk) 03:34, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Got 'em, thanks! Likely referring to the park, Cedar Point. --GoneIn60 (talk) 04:09, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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If you are going to to do WP:BOLD merges with comments in the edit summaries such as you have been making it looks as though you are not calm, neutral and collected. If you wish to merge Google Fuchsia and Zircon (kernel) please raise a merge discussion. It doesn't mean the merge is an incorrect decision but reasoning needs to be clearly discussed. You are also advised to follow WP:PROMERGE for the suggested correct procedure. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark: It didn't look like any such thing and I can't imagine how you could possibly think that. No anger, no allegations, no lack of neutrality, no controversy, no inconsistencies at all. What a super weird set of things to think or say. You must have been reading a different article! Indeed, I explicitly stated all policies and guidelines in the edit summary and all of the content is totally correct. Whatever weird random armchair psychoanalysis that you're projecting onto an edit summary or onto any editor's internal thought process is irrelevant to the content. That has no place on Wikipedia, there is no reason to think that, and it is nobody's job to even try to do that. The only inconsistencies are the huge glaring errors and policy-shattering problems you just reintroduced, so kindly revert that. Thanks. — Smuckola(talk) 18:13, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

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Comment on one diff

Related to this diff [4] you're citing ELNO for removing the links to the developer's website for the games. While the links are unnecessary (there is/should be third party sourcing to describe the games), links to developer's sites are not failures of ELNO. First, ELNO is meant to apply to external links, not references, as here, we're talking references to primary sources. Even then, these would meet the top line exception of ELNO, official sites of the product. But again, I agree they can be removed for other reasons, just that quoting ELNO (and LINKFARM by extension) is not correct. --Masem (t) 04:00, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Masem: Hey you beast, you hero, you legend. You do a lot of good research and policing all over the place. Thank you for the precision comment here. I'll read WP:ELNO again and see if I'm misremembering. Okay done. Those links are just totally unnecessary and they are in fact a linkfarm. They don't have vital information, and it is all easily findable by any standard consumer behavior like following the official url, so that's #1 on WP:ELNO. And it's just the manufacturer's site, spammed repeatedly beyond {{official website}}, so that's #14. You say they apply to external links, not references—these are external links being masqueraded as references. Like the first sentence of WP:ELNO says, "the links should not normally be placed in the body of an article". They're fake references. They're not necessary at all, not even as situational sources. They would go in the External links section and then be deleted as a WP:LINKFARM, so they are just a presumptive linkfarm. :) I don't know exactly what part of WP:ELNO you thought I contradicted because I clearly see that I didn't. So let me know. Thanks. — Smuckola(talk) 04:12, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I disagree that in their state they were ELs hiding as references. They were being used to link directly to announcements/confirmation of games in each pack, at a point before any third-party coverage was there. We absolutely allow such inline references to a developer's website to source information as a primary source, per WP:PSTS. But we absolutely should replace and remove those when third-party sources become available, which is now the case; and per WP:PSTS over-reliance on primary sources is also bad. That so many were still in the article at this point was a thing that had to be fixed, so the end result of that diff is still right. just that I would use caution in considering any such links to developer's website as "fake references". When these are links to actual blog pages, rather than top-level pages, that's usually because they are being used for informational purposes and thus as a legitimate primary sources. But we just don't want to overwhelm an article with those types of primary references, nor use them when we know other better sourcing is available. --Masem (t) 04:31, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

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@Evan-Amos: Hi! I tried so hard engaging you in conversation so many years ago when you started. I'm a big fan and wanted to offer to help more directly with game culture and research. I'm sorry to differ, my good sir! The crops are not extreme, don't look bad, and do help. I'd say they do look good, but more precisely, they simply don't look bad anymore because they unbreak it. And yet it's the type of edit that's so immaterial that it doesn't even require an edit message. This is not even an artistic issue, not that that would make any difference. The whitespace was extreme, and is explicitly what the MOS:IMGSIZE policy says to eliminate, precisely because it does needlessly wreck the entire page's alignment and shouldn't be done. Even if there could possibly be a reason to have whitespace, which there isn't because adding nothingness is unencyclopedic as well as just disruptive to the content, it most definitely shouldn't be forced in the image file. That's just an abuse of what an image file is. Thank you so much for your hard work. — Smuckola(talk) 23:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Samus Aran edit

Thank you so much for deleting unnessecary information, it's been driving us crazy for a month! We have no idea what to do delete because all of them seemed important but finally someone has the guts to do it! We needed to get rid of the clutter in Samus' infobox anyway, so again thank you so much and btw this is not sarcasm this is a legit "thank you" from us!

Thank you for helping us, I'm so happy all this clutter is gone! GeekFreak98 (talk) 14:46, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

and I've also noticed that you've also helped people with their problems as well! We are so glad to have a person like you on Wikipedia, you've solved our troubles with articles!

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The ping thing

Hello! Here's technical tip for you. When you use the {{ping}} template, you need to sign your post in the same edit. Adding the template to an existing post without re-signing it, like this, does not notify the recipient. This is not explained very well, in my opinion, at Template:Reply to#Usage. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 02:47, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Hiiiiii! :) Tippity tippy tips. I guess I hadn't tested that! Man that sucks. Quick, somebody hurry up and rewrite Mediawiki or adopt Flow. I guess next time, I'll add a "ping" and replace my existing signature with a fresh one. Anyway, this subject is a challenge and it sucks. May we work out our grief in the process of doing our civic duty to Wikipedia and to the world through it. — Smuckola(talk) 02:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

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Super Paper Mario

Hello Smuckola! As you are an active contributor, I'm notifying you that this article, one of the final major steps towards a Paper Mario GT, has been nominated for good article status.

(And I'm gonna do all suggestions on the nomination page. I'm just notifying you of its existence so you can monitor if you'd like.) Panini^🥪 14:08, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Carchasm

Hi Smuckola, I have moved the report to WP:ANI and warned the user not to make any further similar edits before a discussion result about the behavior has been found. If they ignore this warning, please notify me and I'll block them without further warning. Thanks and best regards, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:29, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

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WikiLoop 2020 Year in Review

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Regarding my previous Section

Sorry about my previous Section, That was an error on my part and thank you for removing it. Have an great day! Chip3004 (talk) 22:42, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@Chip3004: Ok lol well I dunno how you ever found me, but when I went through your edit history I saw one of the many disruptors you've warned and I reported that offender to an admin, lol — Smuckola(talk) 03:19, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

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Newspapers and ads are reliable sources.

I am sure the admins will back me up on this but newspapers and ads are considered reliable sources when it comes to dates. Frank Cifaldi as "the world’s expert" on video games has to be a joke. The guy has no type of degree when it comes to video games, and he contradicts himself in articles. I think its trivial to fight over a single month when it comes to gaming but I had to point out what you said is wrong.--Fruitloop11 (talk) 21:59, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

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Wipeout (2021 game show)

I'll explain the revert a bit more here rather than just in the edit summary... hopefully you'll understand rather than me being limited by characters:

• The hidden notes ("infobox comments explaining what numbers are") should be fine- otherwise you'll simply have IPs or other users just assuming they can change this and update it to 2 seasons or 10 episodes or whatever since that's what has been announced- no, this should only be updated when the actual season begins or a new episode airs. (This is actually noted in Template:Infobox television as well...)
• Some of the reverted content is simply citation cleanup- nothing wrong with that...
• The episode summary hidden notes is actually so we don't have IPs/users coming and copying/plagiarizing summaries from other websites, which is violation of WP:COPYVIO.
• Now with the viewership included in the episode table correctly, no, ratings/viewership does not belong in the 'production' section as this is now listed (and sourced) in the episode table- and that's where this source is being used now as well, so no need for a duplicated source.
• I'm not quite sure what user generated content you are referring.... the official website does not need to be listed at the bottom of the infobox AND the 'External links' section at the bottom of the article- just one is fine, and in this case, the one in the infobox is fine. The other fix in the external links section was simply removing an unnecessary part of the 'IMDb title' template. Not quite sure at all what user generated content I supposedly added in.

Hope this all makes it clearer. Magitroopa (talk) 14:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Regarding your reversions to articles I have edited

Hello, I noticed that you reverted three of my edits on different Nintendo-related articles in the past day. Your edit summaries asserted that these changes were made on the grounds that my contributions were "worthless", "totally useless", or "not an improvement" in your opinion. I also see that you have been an editor for about as long as I have, and I'm sure that by now you're familiar with our policies on civil language and respect regarding other editors. These specific edits of mine in summary were non-major rewrites and formatting changes, and, as you pointed out, one pair of quotation marks was added in error. I apologize for that. You did notice that my edits were made in good faith, which is true, but the language used in the edit summary tells me that your reversions were made to indicate a personal attack on me as a contributor. I also apologize for bringing about these feelings in you toward me due to my editing patterns, but I do not apologize for my contributions. I feel as though every edit, no matter how significant (with exception to spam and vandalism), should be respected, as no one is forced to contribute on this site. I'd like to extend an olive branch to you so that we can edit peacefully and continue to contribute to the trove of knowledge that is Wikipedia. Thank you. — Paper Luigi ^{T • C} 03:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

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Hyatt Regency Walkway collapse

@Smuckola: Greetings! Would you care to elaborate on why the Oklahoma City bombing would not be considered for inclusion in this article, but 9/11 is? Seeing as they were both terror attacks. Thank you! --Undescribed (talk) 19:54, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Undescribed: Greetings. The lead section WP:LEAD is only for summarizing existing fully sourced body content, which doesn't exist because no WP:RS said it because the OKC bombing wasn't a structural collapse. It just is a false statement. Everybody got killed not by a building being made to collapse but by being instantly blown up by a bomb--building and all. So anyway we can't just make stuff up WP:OR. We can only serve the WP:RS, and extremely closely on a crucially technical subject in a mature article. Read everything I linked and let me know if I can help. — Smuckola(talk) 20:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Smuckola: Firstly, thank you for your feedback! I am aware of the constraints that WP:OR and WP:RS imposes on the scope of this matter. With regards to the lead statement about the WTC collapse, I believe that this fails to meet WP:V. I can't locate a source anywhere in the article. In regards, to the OKC bombing, I found this site: [5] that mentions engineering issues with the Murrah building prior to collapse. There are other articles that actually mention the WTC, Murrah building, and Pentagon collapses as surpassing the Hyatt Regency collapse: [6]. I'm just saying that if these sources are considered reliable, why are the structural flaws that precipitated the collapse of the Murrah building being omitted? Perhaps the collapse wouldn't have been as severe when the bombing took place if the engineering was sound. --Undescribed (talk) 20:34, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Undescribed: Okay cool. That is interesting, and that all belongs on the respective articles' Talk pages. I have no background with the OKC bombing, but it sounds like you've sourced a poignant factoid that's worth mentioning in at least one sentence, very carefully, in due weight. Regarding the Hyatt, I have worked on that article a lot over the years but I didn't verify everything there, and I don't remember every fact that I did verify years ago, on that article. I know that the article has been butchered over the years since I worked on it, with a lot of good things needlessly deleted and I intend to review it ASAP. I just went to the former Hyatt last month and I'm surprised at how many vintage-looking scratched up old wood veneers are still in that lobby, like the elevator button panels which were surely submerged. I still haven't visited the memorial, though I sent money to its fundraiser in 2010. And I'm pretty sure the only other major disaster article I worked on is Space Shuttle Challenger disaster which is exceptionally good. — Smuckola(talk) 21:23, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Smuckola: Wow, that's really quite fascinating that you've had a personal experience with the same Hyatt that this disaster occurred at! It must have been quite eerie for you knowing what happened at that hotel many years ago. Its a shame that this article has been butchered over the years like you said. It's one of the shortcomings of Wikipedia being as collaborative as it is. Hopefully I can help restore it as you mentioned you will try to do. I've worked on many disaster-related articles, but most of my edits are focused on meteorology-related articles. Do you have any suggestions on what the best way to mention the OKC bombing, and/or WTC/Pentagon collapses would be? --Undescribed (talk) 22:22, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Undescribed: Heck yes it was like living inside of The Shining (film). In 2010, I randomly found the hotel on a discount app like Travelocity, checked in, and researched its history for fun in the middle of the night in the room. What an absolute horror to recap all of the beautiful wonders I'd just seen on my way in, while realizing it had been filled with grisly death. I spent the rest of the week researching it, hanging out on the new skywalks, and donating $10 to the memorial fund. They finally built that memorial several years later, no thanks to Hallmark or Hyatt, and they will hold the 40th anniversary there this Saturday at 10am so I hope to attend.

When I said the article was "butchered" I just meant it got a ton of little bites while being reshaped. I don't mean that it's bad now; it's overall very superior to a year or two ago but it has lost a lot of great key details. The editors went back and forth, aggressively trimming things because they weren't worded perfectly or that didn't fit just perfectly because the article hadn't yet found its overall flow yet. The content was jumping all around, and was very detailed and gory, so they overzealously stubbed or cut a lot of vitally interesting things. I can't handle most of the engineering content, because I'm not an engineer. A disaster is such a complex subject made of tiny technical details, so it must be strung together just right. You have to sort through 10,000 details, pick out the right 1,000 key details, brutally saw each one down to a concise nub, and organize them all in an optimal flow somehow. It's a vast puzzle, like the disaster itself. The article wasn't super great years ago and now it's great, so the superlative details can now be rediscovered. Disaster articles are a tightrope balance of including only the key details in WP:DUE weight but keeping it readable. For example, reading Space Shuttle Challenger disaster is a serious job with serious work, and it's worth it, and I wouldn't change that. And most people will only ever read the lead. I'm not sure what you mean about the best way to mention those things; where? You mean in the Hyatt article? They're probably all within the disaster compilation articles in See also. There are so many disasters in the world, so this is only relevant to accidental structural collapse like Surfside. But they're all really wrapped up there. — Smuckola(talk) 08:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

@Smuckola: That's wild that you were staying in that very same hotel and you just happened to look up it's history. I would've felt like I was in The Shining also! I've read all the graphic details about the Hyatt Regency collapse and I would feel so weird staying at the place where that happened. I imagine that it is a similar feeling for people who visit the World Trade Center memorial. It was 40 years to the day yesterday since the Hyatt disaster. Who would've thought that we would have a similar engineering disaster almost exactly 40 years later at Surfside? In regards to mentioning those things, I meant saying something along the lines of The Hyatt Regency walkway collapse was the deadliest non-deliberate structural failure in U.S. history, and the third-deadliest when including the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building collapse and the World Trade center collapse. We can always adjust the exact wording, but maybe a statement like this would be appropriate? --Undescribed (talk) 22:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

@Smuckola: I'm going to go ahead and incorporate this information into the article as long as it can be properly cited.--Undescribed (talk) 06:14, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

odd deletion of a comment of mine

Not that i really care, but why did you delete a comment of mine on the talk page about the game 2048, from January of this year? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2048_(video_game)&oldid=prev&diff=1035117179