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		Thanks for your great work in updating UTA-related pages. They look amazing and are very informative. A great plus to Wikipedia. Griffinofwales (talk) Simple English Wikipedia - Come and join! 12:24, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I notice you've been putting dates in as Date Month Year, which is the standard across the encyclopedia as we are a global resource. However, the relevant section of the Wikipedia's Manual of Style indicates that in cases where the article has a strong connection to a country, that country's date format should be used. Here in the United States, Month Date Year is the standard. This is not a major issue, but is something you might consider in the future. Griffinofwales (talk) Simple English Wikipedia - Come and join! 12:39, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I've noticed that you recently have been changing the name of the Ball Park stop. Even if you are correct, you cannot change article links without consensus, and it is creating unnecessary redirects. This is especially important when referring to a GA (Good Article). Either create a discussion to change the title or undo your changes. Sorry for being so forward, but your changes are only making things harder for future editors. Griffinofwales (talk) Simple English Wikipedia - Come and join! 23:51, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Correcting Ballpark article title will create redirects no matter how is it done. In this case, the redirects were fixed FIRST and then the article. When all is done there will be MINIMIAL redirects. An Errant Knight (talk) 00:59, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

With this diff, I don't see how that section specifically applies to that station. I can see it being a good paragraph to add to the Frontrunner article, but it appears off-topic on the NTB/G station article. Griffinofwales (talk) Simple English Wikipedia - Come and join! 18:21, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Minor edits

Just a heads up: you're really not supposed to be marking all of your edits as minor edits. The minor edit checkbox is for if you're just fixing a spelling error or something like that. If you actually add information to an article, it doesn't count as a minor edit. Wikipedia:Minor edit –Thatotherperson (talk/contribs) 23:23, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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That is my opinion. If you don't like it, you can move the article into mainspace. You have enough edits you don't need to go through AfC. LionMans Account (talk) 00:30, 17 April 2013 (UTC) You're welcome. If you don't want to go through Articles for Comment, you can create articles in your own userspace and they won't get removed (except for copyright violations). Those are especially useful for articles which take a long time to create. When you're done, move it into mainspace. The url would be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:An_Errant_Knight/my_new_page LionMans Account (talk) 01:15, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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First of all, thanks for your offer of assistance. The intent was to reflect the current status of the UTA color template and the previous result of the UTA color/doc template (before your last change). Yes, it took a few attempts along the way to get the desired results. Since the former lines are beginning to be added to the respective line and station pages, it is appropriate that the correct colors (as used by UTA) be used in the infoboxes. The current three lines should (obviously) match their colors while the former North/South Line (which was sometime also called the Sandy/Salt Lake Line, but not officially by UTA) should be blue, the former University Line should be red (prior to the most recent round of changes it was blank or white), and the Sandy/University Line should be green. These colors match those used by UTA at the times the routes were active (specifically on their route maps).

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OK, I think I've got it now. Useddenim (talk) 20:03, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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thanks for the reply, I understand your logic (that the city category is already in the county category) and have reverted my edit. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:49, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! I'm tracing out the history of the Keystone Service and its predecessors, and I think some of the history you've added to 30th Street Station and Suburban Station may not be quite correct. It appears from a careful reading of the old schedules (which are often anything but clear) that Amtrak took over HBG-30th-Suburban service in 1971, and renamed it Silverliner Service in 1972 and Keystone Service in 1981. Service to Suburban ended in 1988 as you've cited (probably in conjunction with full dieselization), but the service was just rerouted to 30th Street lower level, and it wasn't until the mid-1990s that some trains got extended to NYP with the engine change at 30th.

I'm going to be adding the full history with citations to the article, and correcting the listings and templates elsewhere, over the next day or few. Since some of this may substantially modify or remove work you've done previously, I just wanted to let you know what was going on so it didn't appear I was acting in bad faith. I appreciate all the historical and categorization work you do with Amtrak.

@Useddenim and Mackensen: since you'll see these flurry of changes happening as well, just wanted to keep you in the loop. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 16:08, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, it appears that you have discovered the Keystone and/or Keystone Service is probably one of the most confusing trains in the history of Amtrak. Second, anything you can do to improve upon the existing, but limited, research would be greatly appreciated.

If memory serves correctly, there were two major issues with the Keystone, the first was that the name(s) was/were not always consistently used in all the timetables. However, the train numbers and routes matched up to other timetables (with different dates). The other issue was that the name Keystone was first applied immediately after the inception of Amtrak, but the name was discontinued a year later. A different route was later named the Keystone and eventually the Keystone Service. Good luck! An Errant Knight (talk) 21:05, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The disambiguation page includes information that is too detailed to include in a hatnote. An Errant Knight (talk) 14:36, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Please stop doing these kinds of edits

See my undo at this diff. A "city, state" is enough, and a default reflist format is better. Dicklyon (talk) 00:06, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Are you speechless? Did you see the discussion I pinged you to at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#User's_odd_styling_edits? Will you agree to stop that? Dicklyon (talk) 06:10, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Speechless, no.

Being disinclined to dignify tirades with a response, yes.

Not being prone to cowering to tirades and unsupported mandates, yes.

Message received from tirade, "Please stop doing...edits."

Willing to discuss and lean, and thereby be better educated regarding best editing practicies, yes.

Tirades & mandates ≠ education. An Errant Knight (talk) 19:00, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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M-13 and Connector M-13 do not need categories at Commons at this time. There isn't enough media to sort into a category.

As for the other links, per MOS:LAYOUT, we only add links that aren't already in the body of an article. That's why List of state trunkline highways in Michigan doesn't need to go there; it's in the infobox. As for the list of other highways numbered 13, that's totally unneeded in any article. Imzadi 1979 → 02:02, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Of course these state highways don't need empty categories in Commons. However, if you would removing all items that belong the categories, they wouldn't be empty! An Errant Knight (talk) 02:21, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As noted, if there were a bunch of media that needed sorting, but there isn't. The current structure works just fine until people start taking a bunch of photos. Imzadi 1979 → 02:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WOW! Left wondering how many editors would attempt such sorting, or even taking and adding such photos, as doing so might infringe on your domain. This one won't. An Errant Knight (talk)

Actually, as I noted on Commons, I don't really care, but if there's isn't anything extra and useful in the category, we don't need to put the Commons box on the articles. Adding that box invites readers to click on the link to see more, and if they don't get more, well... I hope you see my point. Imzadi 1979 → 02:51, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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No quadrant in Salt Lake street names

I just noticed the Blue Line (TRAX), Red Line (TRAX) and Green Line (TRAX) articles have quadrants in front of the street names in the route description, e.g. the article says:

From this station, the Blue Line heads west-northwest to cross Draper Parkway (East 12300 South) and then northwest along the southwest side of the Porter Rockwell Trail to cross East 12000 South and then South 700 East (SR-71).

instead of as reads more natural to me:

From this station, the Blue Line heads west-northwest to cross Draper Parkway (12300 South) and then northwest along the southwest side of the Porter Rockwell Trail to cross 12000 South and then 700 East (SR-71).

I see you made these changes back on 2 December 2013. I have lived off and on in different parts of Salt Lake County for 35 years, and I have never heard local residents say the quadrant in front of a street name, nor do the quadrants appear on official signs (see e.g. this street view among thousands of possible examples). I only see and hear the quadrant in Google Maps driving directions, and attribute that to the fact Google's software devs do not live in the area.

Do you have a source for these changes? Any objection if I remove the quadrants? Your other changes are quite useful and I would leave them alone, as well as the many changes editors have made since then. Lee Choquette (talk) 14:56, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Choquette: While you are mostly correct--there are no "quadrants" for streets in Salt Lake County, or any of the may other cities and counties that use the same street grid system--what appears to be quadrants are actually part of the official street names. Granted they are rarely used, particularly by locals, but lack of use doesn't change the actual name.

Having lived in the Salt Lake County area for 35 years you have mostly likely seen the "evolution" of the locally used names. For example, you probably recall that the main east-west streets in the county were signed as (particularly on freeway exits) and referred to as "21st South", "33rd South", "45th South", etc. Now they are more correctly (though incompletely) signed as "2100 South", "3300 South", "4500 South", etc. (The main reason the full names are not used on the freeway signs is that it would lead to confusion regarding the direction of the exit access. For example "West 3300 South" would be confused with "Westbound 3300 South". The direction part is almost always omitted from the street signs for ease of reading, but again this omission does not change the name.) The directional part of the street name is also usually omitted on signage for named (not numbered) streets as well.

Part of the confusion also arises from a very common lack of understanding of actual addresses. Every street address in the United States (as determined by the United States Postal Service) has two or three parts. Every address has a "house number" (even if it isn't a house, or even a structure) and every address has a street name. Some addresses have a suffix, such as Suite ###, Apartment D-###, Unit ##, Trailer ##, etc. Since directions are not part of the "house number", the remainder of the address (except the suffix, if applicable) is the name of the street. There are no "quadrants" in addresses. In the case of the TRAX station closest to your sign example (Draper Town Center) the address of the station is 1131 East Pioneer Road--therefore the name of the street upon which it is located is "East Pioneer Road", not just "Pioneer Road". The address for the adjacent TRAX station (Kimballs Lane) is 11790 South 700 East, so the street name is "South 700 East" (since the directional part of the street name doesn't just disappear because the street name includes a number.)

Google is one of the leaders (behind the USPS) in the "evolution" to apply correct names to the streets. The application of the full street names is an effort use correct names, rather than an unfamiliarity with local practices. (You would likely be very surprised at the number of "Google's software devs" that actually do live along the Wasatch Front.) As technology continues to develop, the local practices will evolve as well. (Bing Maps, MapQuest, Rand McNalley, United States Geological Survey (The National Map), Open Street Map, etc. all also use the full, though sometime abbreviated, street names.)

Therefore, the question is, does this editor object to changing the correct, complete names of street to incomplete names? The answer would be yes, otherwise the changes would not have to be made in the first place. Having said that, this editor also fully recognizes that complete, correct names are not commonly used locally. An Errant Knight (talk) 22:57, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Nine Mile Canyon

How many actual sources use the spelling "Ninemile Canyon"? I've seen very few, maybe some of the 19th century mentions. It's very unlikely that a modern reader would know it by that spelling. Ntsimp (talk) 15:30, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deferring to the US Geological Survey for the official name (but ensuring that "Nine Mile Canyon (Utah)" redirects accordingly).

U.S. Geological Survey Geographic Names Information System: Ninemile Canyon
"Ninemile Canyon, Utah" (Map). Google Maps.
Microsoft; Nokia. "Ninemile Canyon, UT" (Map). Bing Maps. Microsoft.
Ninemile Canyon on The National Map
USGS Price Map
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Ninemile Canyon should eventually be changed from a redirect to Ninemile Canyon (Utah) to a disambiguation page that includes one or more of the half-dozen or so other Ninemile Canyons. Nine Mile Canyon should then be changed to a redirect to that page instead of Ninemile Canyon (Utah). An Errant Knight (talk) 15:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe "official", but not the right name, per WP:OFFICIAL. "Ninemile Canyon" is neither recognizable nor what the sources use. I urge you to move it back. Ntsimp (talk) 03:04, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@John B123: Seems pointless to suggest how fix the issue and avoid deletion if the page is deleted immediately. An Errant Knight (talk)

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Promontory Point, Utah

I see you created a separate article for the ghost town Promontory Point, Utah to supplement the long existing article for Promontory Point. Do you have any plans for article expansion? I ask as I have never seen more than a brief mention of the town in any source on Utah or railroad history and I'm of the opinion this would be better covered in as a paragraph or two in the article about the cape. I'm of the opinion that one B class article is better than 2 stubs when it comes to closely related subjects. There is some precedence for this, Soldier Summit and Sherman, Wyoming are similar cases. Do you have any objections to combining the articles? If you are working on an article expansion I wouldn't want to mess those up, but in their current state, I don't see the point of having separate articles. Thanks in advance Dave (talk) 16:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Moabdave:, first of all, thank you for asking . . .

Yes, there are eventual expansion plans for the article Promontory Point, Utah (the ghost town), but not in the very near future. (Such expansion, which probably will not be extensive, but will hopefully include several other similar ghost towns along both the Lucin Cutoff and the Promontory Route.)

While this is some precedent for combined articles for "closely related subjects", this editor is of the opinion that despite being closely related, the fact that one subject is a geographic feature and the other is a former populated place (or locale), two articles are preferable. While a single article with both subjects makes for a better article itself, the following are just some of the reasons for the separation:

-The form of the title for article for a populated place (locale) and a geographic feature differ, Promontory Point, Utah vs. Promontory Point (Utah).

-The categories in which the two subjects belong are almost entirely different.

-The two subjects use different Infoboxes (allowing for different details to be included, particularly for short articles and article stubs).

-The two subjects should have different Commons categories (which of the two should a single article be linked?).

-The two subjects will have separate Wikidata item listings (which of the two should a single article be linked?).

Most of the above mentioned involve making it easier for users to find what they are looking for, as opposed to just making a better article.

As for one of your precedent examples, Soldier Summit, Utah (the currently unincorporated community and former town), that article is (for the above mentioned reasons) also anticipated to be eventually split, with Soldier Summit (the mountain pass) being moved to its own article instead of just a redirect.

However, this is just the opinion of this editor (who recognizes the lack of sole ownership of the contents of Wikipedia, and Wikimedia general). Additional thoughts and/or discussion would be appreciated. An Errant Knight (talk) 04:48, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I disagree with your point of having a series of stub articles is less confusing than having one article that covers a ghost town and the geographic feature that is the sole reason for its existence, but that's ok. I didn't come here to start a fight, just find out if this was intentional, or if you had objections to merging articles. I look forward to seeing a fully fleshed out article on Promontory Point some day. Cheers. Dave (talk) 16:04, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Moabdave:, if we all agreed on everything, the world of Wikimedia would probably be a very boring place. Since it will be some time before the aforementioned expansion is completed for the Promontory, Utah article, this editor would not object to a merger at this time, but would anticipate unmerging again when the former article is expanded.

Also, there was never a feeling on this end that your intention was to "start a fight". You asked a very valid question and, hopefully, got a civil response, albeit one with a different point of view. Having said that, this editor has frequently observed and always appreciated your civility (something frequently lacking on the part of some other editors, sometimes even this one)--such appreciation should not be left unsaid.

So, THANK YOU! for all your work and thank you for how you do it. An Errant Knight (talk) 16:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. You have changed the title on a couple of my articles without notice. For example, you changed Mount Majestic to Mount Majestic (Utah), with an explanation to distinguish it from a Mount Majestic in Australia. A Google search doesn't produce any results for any such thing. Secondly, there is another lesser known Mount Majestic in Utah, so your new title is not helpful. I would ask that you undo your title change and fix the links. Finally, before you make any other title changes to my articles, I ask that you contact me directly before proceeding, and give prior notice for any proposed title changes in the Talk section of the page. Ron Clausen (talk) 09:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ron Clausen:

First, while it can be frustrating when other editors make changes to articles that you have created or substantially modified, please remember that none of us owns any article in Wikipedia.

Second, this editor would never suppose that just because a Google search for another editor's brain "doesn't produce any results for any such thing", that would in any way indicate that editor doesn't have one.

Third, while Clayton Peak is sometimes referred to as Mount Majestic, it is not its official name. If there is another such peak in Utah, it is not listed by the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS). search for Mount Majestic

Fourth, Mount Majestic is now a disambiguation page, so "undo[ing the] title change and fix[ing] the links" is not helpful, warranted, or possible. An Errant Knight (talk) 18:01, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Additional note, indicating landforms as being in "Zion" is both inaccurate and very misleading. These all need to be changed as Zion National Park is no where near Jerusalem. An Errant Knight (talk) 18:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Joe Quinney Winter Sports Center

Hi, I removed a couple of paragraphs from the above article for copyright reasons. I had to pull a copy of the archived page from 2013 to make sure it wasn't just copying Wikipedia. Please be careful with copyrighted material! Thanks. A S U K I T E 20:21, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Asukite: Thanks for the information, the material (almost without exception) was moved from the Utah Olympic Park article. An Errant Knight (talk) 20:27, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense! I didn't notice that. Sorry for bugging you, I figured it must have been something like that but didn't look. A S U K I T E 20:30, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Asukite: Such input is appreciated anytime! An Errant Knight (talk) 20:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@Earwig: Thanks for bringing this procedure to the attention of this editor (of which this editor was previously unaware). Also thanks for providing a good example of the "why" for this procedure. An Errant Knight (talk) 02:39, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've added attribution templates to top of the park and museum talk pages. I was also planning to fork out the museum content to a standalone entry, so glad you beat me to the punch! Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:25, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer: Again, thank YOU for all your work! An Errant Knight (talk) 16:57, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Llano Quemado, New Mexico

Could you clarify why you said this "is a census-designated place"? The Census does not have this place marked on TIGERweb so if it was a CDP, it was before 2000 and is not now. Reywas92^Talk 12:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The United States Geological Survey (USGS) indicates that it is or was a census-designated place (CDP). Unfortunately, id does not clarify the current status, so such information may well be outdated. Thank you for bringing the issued to the attention of this editor. An Errant Knight (talk)

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I undid your revision on the page. One reason is none of the routes are signed as "Spur", the page is for routes that only connect to the state highway system at one end. Another reason is that even though "K-19 Spur" or "K-12 Spur", for example, are called spurs they connects to the state highway system at both ends so they dont belong on the list. -Thank You -420Traveler (talk) 13:27, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Unincorporated communities in junction lists

This guidance is reflective of the standard practice in the central and western parts of the US, where there is no government between the city and county level (i.e. townships are only used for surveying purposes and are not government jurisdictions). This means that practically any sizable developed settlement is very likely to be incorporated, since there is no other way to provide, e.g. a local fire or police department. In such areas, unincorporated place names are usually just informal toponyms for the nebulous area surrounding a highway or rail junction, or a few square miles of land, and as such no formal boundaries have been defined by anyone with any real authority to define them. Using such toponyms, then, is essentially original research, unless you use lots of messy citations just to prove that the SH-12/SH-41 junction really does fall within the commonly-accepted definition of Bingoville or whatever.

The sorts of placenames described above are not of much use to the reader anyway. They are generally only known by the few hundred people that live in the area, usually don't appear on anything but the most detailed maps, and are nearly always a redlink unless the editor that adds them to a junction list is kind enough to take the time to provide a stub providing a little more context. That means that the right thing to do is very often to simply leave the location column blank. (Some editors provide a survey township name in this situation, but in my experience absolutely nobody has heard of these, much less would find them helpful in locating a highway junction, so I never added them to junction lists when I was actively making new ones.)

That being said, the situation is entirely different in other areas, such as the northeast US. Here, township governments exist, and therefore you can have a settlement that is large enough to even be a county seat, but nonetheless is not incorporated as a separate entity, because the necessary government services are provided by the township. I've never lived in such an area, so I may be getting some of the details wrong there. I would think, though, that including an unincorporated community of that type in a junction list would be justified, so long as there's a CDP definition or some other clear, reliably-sourced definition of what the boundaries of that placename are. —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 02:56, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your prompt reply. As for townships (which as you mentioned are defined differently, depending on the state), they are slightly outside of the expertise of this editor as well.

From your reply, it seems that your opinion regarding the matter differs from the actual wording included in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Road junction lists. Namely, (if understood correctly) in cases of clearly referenceable locations, their use is appropriate--even if they are not actually "incorporated". This editor would concur with this opinion.

This matter recently became an issue with another editor that is strictly adhering to the guideline and undoing edits that reflect the aforementioned shared opinion. Perhaps some additional clarification within the guideline may be appropriate. An Errant Knight (talk) 16:58, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Linking

In Craig, Colorado, I saw you changed Moffat County, Colorado to Moffat County, Colorado. Please don't do that. See WP:GEOLINK. MB 22:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have done this again at Gadow's Mill. Please respect the project consensus as documented in the MOS at WP:GEOLINK. MB 14:23, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 In [[Craig, Colorado]], I saw you changed [[Moffat County, Colorado]] to [[Moffat County]], [[Colorado]]. Please don't do that. See [[WP:GEOLINK]]. [[User:MB|<b style="color:#034503">MB</b>]] 22:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
+:I see that you have done this again at [[Gadow's Mill]]. Please respect the project consensus as documented in the MOS at [[WP:GEOLINK]]. [[User:MB|<b style="color:#034503">MB</b>]] 14:23, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 == Your submission at [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for creation]]: [[Draft:The Book of Mormon (film)|The Book of Mormon (film)]] (October 9) ==