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:::Lots of songs get bad reviews, so I do think it's too bland. Besides there's no source saying that. Only a few bad reviews are cited. Generalizing that to say that most reviews were negative is [[WP:OR]]. As to the original hook, I agree that it absolutely cannot be used.--[[User:Carabinieri|Carabinieri]] ([[User talk:Carabinieri|talk]]) 01:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Lots of songs get bad reviews, so I do think it's too bland. Besides there's no source saying that. Only a few bad reviews are cited. Generalizing that to say that most reviews were negative is [[WP:OR]]. As to the original hook, I agree that it absolutely cannot be used.--[[User:Carabinieri|Carabinieri]] ([[User talk:Carabinieri|talk]]) 01:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Carabinieri has thrown this article back after I promoted it. For the record C., I did not "just ignore your comments" in promoting this article, I promoted it because in spite of the fact that the hook proposed by 74 was not brilliant, I found the article itself to be quite interesting and enjoyable to read. Having a good hook is not the only criterion here by any means, if we were to ''really'' disqualify every article that didn't have a good hook, at least 50% of the articles we currently promote wouldn't make it. DYK in my opinion is at least as much about featuring good new articles as it is about catchy hooks, which often simply aren't available, and I don't think we should lose sight of that. However since C. and I do not agree on this one, I'll leave it to a third party to decide whether it deserves promotion or not. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Carabinieri has thrown this article back after I promoted it. For the record C., I did not "just ignore your comments" in promoting this article, I promoted it because in spite of the fact that the hook proposed by 74 was not brilliant, I found the article itself to be quite interesting and enjoyable to read. Having a good hook is not the only criterion here by any means, if we were to ''really'' disqualify every article that didn't have a good hook, at least 50% of the articles we currently promote wouldn't make it. DYK in my opinion is at least as much about featuring good new articles as it is about catchy hooks, which often simply aren't available, and I don't think we should lose sight of that. However since C. and I do not agree on this one, I'll leave it to a third party to decide whether it deserves promotion or not. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

*:'''Fresh suggestion''' ....that although '''[[Can You Hear Me]]''' is the official [[anthem]] of [[UEFA Euro 2008]], many fans from different nations have adopted the [[guitar riff]] with their own lyrics?
::I think this is probably the best, given there is no outright POV here. If there is no disagreement, then I suggest this be moved to the next update. '''<font face="Verdana">[[User:Vishnava|<font color="Red">Vishnava</font>]]<sub><small>[[User talk:Vishnava|<font color="Black"> talk </font>]]</small></sub></font>''' 18:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


*... that the '''[[Institute of Sindhology]]''' in [[Pakistan]] was the first major attempt to document the [[History of Sindh|history]], [[Sindh#Cultural heritage|culture]], and [[Sindhi literature|literature]] of [[Sindh]]? -- new article by [[User:Mehran Mangrio]] and <i><font color="green">[[User:Islescape|Isles]]</font><b><font color="blue">[[User:Islescape|Cape]]</font></b><sup>[[User_talk:Islescape|Talk]]</sup></i> 16:34, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
*... that the '''[[Institute of Sindhology]]''' in [[Pakistan]] was the first major attempt to document the [[History of Sindh|history]], [[Sindh#Cultural heritage|culture]], and [[Sindhi literature|literature]] of [[Sindh]]? -- new article by [[User:Mehran Mangrio]] and <i><font color="green">[[User:Islescape|Isles]]</font><b><font color="blue">[[User:Islescape|Cape]]</font></b><sup>[[User_talk:Islescape|Talk]]</sup></i> 16:34, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

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"Neuron screen" at the Edmond and Lily Safra Center for Brain Sciences
"Neuron screen" at the Edmond and Lily Safra Center for Brain Sciences

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Articles created/expanded on June 24

The statue "The Naked Truth" in Compton Hill Reservoir Park
The statue "The Naked Truth" in Compton Hill Reservoir Park
ALT ... Harvey Ellis, the architect of the water tower in Compton Hill Reservoir Park, also designed the head house at St. Louis Union Station? --self-nom by Millbrooky (talk) 17:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Cape Maclear
Cape Maclear
ALT ...that while campaigning for a seat in the Philippine Senate during the 2007 general elections, Senator Francis Escudero created his own Friendster profile as his campaign material to tap into millions of Filipinos who are active in social networking?
ALT ...that a Filipino-American hypnotist named Carmen Leilani de Jesus was the first to introduce Friendster in the Philippines, which eventually sparked the popularity of social networking in the country? self-nom by Starczamora (talk) 14:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 23

Actually not all of the artifacts left to the museum were musical instruments, just most of them. There were also some paintings and other forms of art in the "gift" to the museum. Technically it was a "gift" under a 1949 law that provided perks to those giving such gifts (in all reality it was a sale but I guess the government had this law in place to make them look good by calling it a "gift"). I clarified those points in the article. Gorga was definitely in it for the money though.Nrswanson (talk) 17:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Description
Description
alternative:
Margaret Frank, female lead of In the Land of the Head Hunters
Margaret Frank, female lead of In the Land of the Head Hunters

Articles created/expanded on June 22

Articles created/expanded on June 21

a Lamona chicken
a Lamona chicken
Albert Pujols
Albert Pujols
Changed wording for second hooked article. Daniel Case (talk) 19:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lengths for both and hook reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 19:16, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Foguang Temple
Foguang Temple
Norwegian Industrial Workers Museum
Norwegian Industrial Workers Museum
Can the pic be cropped to make the building appear bigger at 100px on the main page. --74.14.20.124 (talk) 19:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arsenikk (talk) 22:00, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nobile Teatro di San Giacomo di Corfù‎
Nobile Teatro di San Giacomo di Corfù‎
  • Two possibilities here:
Irvington Town Hall
Irvington Town Hall
Self-nom. Added second one because it gets in two good facts, and frankly I like it better. Daniel Case (talk) 18:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OR
OR
OR

Articles created/expanded on June 20

St Margaret's Church, Rottingdean
St Margaret's Church, Rottingdean
an AIM-47 Falcon air-to-air missile
an AIM-47 Falcon air-to-air missile
Monkey Bay, Malawi
Monkey Bay, Malawi
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Main prose is only 1,000 characters - minimum is 1,500 per the rules. Date and ref. check out though and it's a nice topic, so if it gets expanded it'd be nice to use. Olaf Davis | Talk 11:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've expanded it, and believe it meets the criteria now. Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 01:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Expanded length confirmed. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length and reference verified. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
DYK is only for new articles, or those which have been expanded five-fold in the last five days. Please see the selection criteria. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:57, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
swamp yellow brittlegill
swamp yellow brittlegill

Articles created/expanded on June 19

Budweiser Clydesdales
Anne Margrethe Hausken
Anne Margrethe Hausken
OR
*... that Anne Margrethe Hausken (pictured), currently leading this year's World Cup in orienteering, has suffered from overtraining that cost two years of her active career? Oceanh (talk) 12:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC).[reply]
Comment: the word currently should be stable long enough, since next world cup event is scheduled July 13th. Oceanh (talk) 07:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC).[reply]
Hook reference not available online. Could you expand it with page #, etc? --Rosiestep (talk) 23:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I added an online reference. I will add the page number too, as the book is a more reliable source, but I don't have it with me at the moment. Zaian (talk) 06:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sir John Maynard
Sir John Maynard
Okay, we should probably have a bit of a wider discussion about this one... draw in a few more eyeballs than the T:TDYK crowd. I'll start a thread at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Goat sex. --JayHenry (talk) 00:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Could stand to be a little longer, as it's only long enough if it's "famous occurrences" section (which is more like a trivia section). The fact is cited, but on a page in English who's main page is in German.--Bedford Pray 00:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's pretty clear from talk page discussion that the image relating to this article should not be included. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 09:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the image, it was not in my original hook, someone came by later and added it. If they want they can create their own hook with the image. I am also expanding the article right now so size should not be an issue. - Icewedge (talk) 10:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A pointless article that at best should be merged into bestiality. Gatoclass (talk) 14:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Too naive for the Main Page. Ms Andrea M. Beetz seems to take the report noted by Herodotus at face value: for the ram— not goat— venerated at Djedet, the Greek "Mendes", see Baphomet#Eliphas Levi and Baphomet.--Wetman (talk) 18:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I'd like to know why nobody has approved any of my posts. I've posted for the thirteenth, the fifteenth, the sixteenth, the seventeenth, the eighteenth, and now the nineteenth. All I've gotten is comments on the issues with thirteen, seventeen, and eighteen. Nobody even seems to have noticed the others. Someone tell me, have I done something wrong, or has everyone else in this game conspired to make sure I never have another DYK article again? What's going on? I called the Warner sister "Dottie" and lived to tell the tale! (talk) 01:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nevermind, two of them have already been acknowledged and used. Time is all it takes. I called the Warner sister "Dottie" and lived to tell the tale! (talk) 00:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know about this one. Technically, it just squeezes by with 1512 bytes of text, but the summary of the ideas is very short and cryptic and I think an article like this really needs to be longer to give the reader a better notion of the ideas being considered. It left me pretty uninformed and unsatisfied. Gatoclass (talk) 13:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This sentence:
Berlin identifies Hamann as one of the first thinkers to conceive of human cognition as the articulation and use of symbols – that is, language – citing as the rationalist's Cartesian fallacy the notion that there are "clear and distinct" ideas "which can be contemplated by a kind of inner eye".
- is about all the information there is in the article that pertains to the hook, and it's so dense as to be verging on unintelligible. Surely you can expand on that just a bit to make the ideas it is trying to express a little more accessible? I mean, Berlin wrote an entire book about these ideas, don't you think people will be expecting just a little more information about its contents than a single sentence per subject? And BTW, now I've read the Counter-Enlightenment article I am even more confused about Hamann's ideas. Gatoclass (talk) 15:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest adding a few words about Davis. Anybody could have had a young mulatto ward but they won't make the hook interesting. --74.13.126.156 (talk) 04:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I added Confederate president; how's that?--Bedford Pray 05:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please fix your bare references, so the quality of your references can be evaluated? doncram (talk) 05:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
LSR Preserve visitor center
LSR Preserve visitor center
Hook verification requires reading knowledge of the Norwegian language. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Kresty Prison
Kresty Prison
How to relate the hook to the suggested pic? Can't use "(pictured)" in either hook.--74.13.124.106 (talk) 08:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I have put another picture suitable for both hooks, the original intention was that The head of the sphinx belongs to one of those monuments Alex Bakharev (talk) 04:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on June 18

Enrique Iglesias
Enrique Iglesias
Special Request: If the above article passes, would it be possible to hold on for a few days and feature it on 29 June, when the performance at the final will take place? Lampman Talk to me! 00:44, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And? I'm not sure what your definition of facts is, but Wikipedia's definition is content that's supported by external, reliable sources. Lampman Talk to me! 19:12, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If things only "seem" to be a certain way, it's not a fact but an impression. If this is not factual info, but people's changeable opinion, please poll those fans again before posting such a hook on the main page, esp. you are asking for a delay. Alternatively, you may want to say in the hook "... that, according to a poll conducted <insert date> / a report by <insert reporter>, the fans at the UEFA Euro 2008 prefer..." --74.14.20.124 (talk) 19:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This polling requirement is a new rule you're introducing from out of nowhere, besides - wouldn't that be original research? If a general trend is reported by several external, reliable news organisations, then that's factual enough to go on the main page, without me or anyone else here at Wikipedia conducting polls. If you find the word 'seem' so objectionable, I'll change it to 'reportedly'. The alternative hook you're suggesting is much more bland; it is, however, footnoted. Lampman Talk to me! 20:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The polling was not a requirement, but something needs to be done to make sure whatever gets on the main page is still true a week from now on your requested day. Switching to "reportedly" helps a lot. The report was published. Even though the fans may change their mind, the hook would still be good. --74.13.124.106 (talk) 08:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If this is too bland, maybe we can have a hook about the guitar riffs. --74.13.124.106 (talk) 08:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lots of songs get bad reviews, so I do think it's too bland. Besides there's no source saying that. Only a few bad reviews are cited. Generalizing that to say that most reviews were negative is WP:OR. As to the original hook, I agree that it absolutely cannot be used.--Carabinieri (talk) 01:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Carabinieri has thrown this article back after I promoted it. For the record C., I did not "just ignore your comments" in promoting this article, I promoted it because in spite of the fact that the hook proposed by 74 was not brilliant, I found the article itself to be quite interesting and enjoyable to read. Having a good hook is not the only criterion here by any means, if we were to really disqualify every article that didn't have a good hook, at least 50% of the articles we currently promote wouldn't make it. DYK in my opinion is at least as much about featuring good new articles as it is about catchy hooks, which often simply aren't available, and I don't think we should lose sight of that. However since C. and I do not agree on this one, I'll leave it to a third party to decide whether it deserves promotion or not. Gatoclass (talk) 15:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is probably the best, given there is no outright POV here. If there is no disagreement, then I suggest this be moved to the next update. Vishnava talk 18:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can't seem to find the article suggesting me that the Institute was the first "major" effort. Mentioning this fact in the lead with a citation will be useful in determining this. Again, the source needs to be a reliable one because terming it as a major effort probably means in in terms of the amount of funding. Instead, you might want to drop the word "major" or I might as well suggest another hook:
  • ALT ... that Pakistan-based Institute of Sindhology, a research institution working on the history, culture, and literature of Sindh, was previously known as the Sindhi Academy? Mspraveen (talk) 06:45, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think we can go on with the second hook. --IslesCapeTalk 18:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There's nothing unusual about a research institute changing its name, so I disagree. That hook isn't good enough in my opinion.--Carabinieri (talk) 01:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Your suggested pic, Image:F6D-1 Missileer.jpg, was removed by a bot. --74.13.126.156 (talk) 04:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Only two cites in the whole article, and neither of them pertain to the statement that "the navy had to wait until 1974 and the F-14 to fulfill its fleet defense fighter requirement". Gatoclass (talk) 13:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Cite book page seems to be just about to get to this but doesn't. Can you find the right one and quote it in the footnote if Google books doesn't let you show it? Daniel Case (talk) 17:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What does "his first term" mean? a term as an elected DA? Please elaborate in the hook and link to a wikiarticle that explains the job of a DA in the US and how long a term is, etc. --74.14.20.124 (talk) 19:13, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Way too short in any event. Daniel Case (talk) 05:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 17

beach of Xai-Xai
beach of Xai-Xai
Length and reference verified. Added English units to hook. Daniel Case (talk) 16:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked this one. It started at 500 characters and was expanded to 2100, meaning only expanded four-fold. Bytes wise, it's 4000 to 7300. Seraphim♥Whipp 16:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 16

Strike my assertion that it is the one monument erected by the KWMA; source (p.14) is ambiguous on that, upon re-reading it. Sorry. doncram (talk) 16:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please add "(pictured)", where appropriate, and ALT text. --74.14.16.131 (talk) 13:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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