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Dear Sam, I'm not expert in wiki but I faced a problem creating the article on "Education studies", which is a research field, because it was redirected to "Engineering Education" as teaching activity. I didn't find another solution to create the page on "Education studies" than removing the "redirect". But into the article on "Education studies", I introduced that in some case "Education studies" means ""Engineering education" and here I introduced a link toward the corresponding page. I hope I did it correctly. Best, — Preceding unsigned comment added by PinsonV (talk • contribs) 15:50, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

PinsonV, thanks for your message. I'd love to help out here if I can. But I am mildly confused. You talk about creating Education studies. We already have that, and it is a redirect. But you have never edited that page! I and DVdm reverted you twice in Engineering studies where you blanked the redirect. If you can help me understand what you want to accomplish here, I know we can make it work for you. Best -- Sam ^Sing! 16:12, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sam. I first was looking the article for "Engineering studies" (which is a research field) but I was redirected on "Engineering education" (in the sense of teaching activity). Thus I wanted to create an article on "Engineering studies" but this was impossible due to the redirection on "Engineering education". I finally discover how to delete the redirection and I could start to create a new articles. After 5 hours to create this page with the relevant links, I published it. Than I discover you messages and the fact that all my work on "Education studies" disappeared. I don't know what to do. If you can help. This would be relevant at least for my students and for the whole Engineering studies community. Best.--PinsonV (talk) 16:32, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I'd love to help out but my problem here is that there has been no substantial edits to the redirect Engineering studies, none at all to the redirect Education studies, and your contribution history don't show me any major edits. Could you have been editing from another account or while logged out? Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 16:38, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the copy I did on Word of the article I edited for "Engineering studies".

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Engineering studies is an interdisciplinary branch of social sciences devoted to the study of engineers and their activities. Studying engineers refers among other to the history and the sociology of their profession, its institutionalization and organization, the social composition and structure of the population of engineers, their training, their trajectory, etc. A subfield is for instance Women in engineering. Studying engineering refers to the study of their activities and practices, their role into the society, their engagement. Engineering studies investigate how social, political, economical, cultural and historical dynamics affect technological research, design, engineering and innovation, and how these, in turn, affect society, economics, politics and culture.
Sometimes Engineering studies refers to teaching engineers.

Subfields and related fields

History of engineering
Sociology of engineers
Women in engineering
Engineering ethnography
Engineering culture and representation
Design studies
Social study of engineering sciences
Engineering in society and political study of engineering
Organizational studies of engineers and engineering
Critical approach and philosophy of engineering
Engineering education
Engineering ethics
Social construction of technology (SCOT)
Social shaping of technology
Technological change
Sociology of innovation
History of technology
(Constructive) Technology Assessment

Concepts

Journals

Engineering studies

Associations

non admin closures question

Hi, I see you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madison Guthrie (2nd nomination) and another of the linked models AFDs. I don't think Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madison Guthrie (2nd nomination) closure as Keep is obvious... there are 3 delete votes ... and you give no discussion of relative merits of Keep vs. Delete arguments. I suggest you pause, and not close others. --do ncr am 10:52, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your opinion. I will reopen the AfD in question. -- Sam ^Sing! 10:55, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I was going to add that I don't think these are clear/obvious "Keep" situations. At best "No consensus". Checking wp:NAC, I don't think these cases are eligible for NAC. I think you should maybe reopen the Brittany Wiser one too: it also has 3 delete votes, ~~and of the Keep votes, at least the first one should be discarded, IMO.~~ I also am interested in doing Non Admin Closures, by the way, but would be wary of ones like these. --do ncr am 11:01, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that the first keep !vote in Brittany Wiser should be disregarded. However, I am always open for suggestions that things could be done in another way, as well as correction if I fuck up. I forgot the details surrounding reopening closed AfD, but if you feel like reopening Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brittany Wiser to let somebody else close it, please go ahead and reopen it, I won't mind the slightest. -- Sam ^Sing! 11:09, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[update, inserted after discussion continued below]: I'm sorry, about the first Keep vote in the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brittany Wiser, I was mistaken that it should be disregarded (and have struck that above). I confused between a "Speedy Keep" at the Wiser AFD (which wasn't even the first Keep) and a "Speedy Keep" at some other AFD that was knee-jerk and invalid. Sorry for causing confusion here, by my mistake. Still, with 3 deletes, I think that a good closure requires some careful discussion of quality of arguments, by the closer, and should probably not be a NAC. --do ncr am 12:10, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

one of the voters was evidently acting in bad faith. So bad that I am thinking about seeking to have his admin ship revoked if he continues with his misapplication of policy. Also 18 people participated in the group AFD and 12 made strong policy based arguments to delete all and others to delete most. Their views were not considered by User:DGG at all so they need to be invited to participate or have their votes considered now. Legacypac (talk) 11:25, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Legacypac: Interesting. Well, what bugs me most here is, if you (or anybody else for that matter) thinks that I have closed where I should not have closed. If that is the case, let me know, and I will reopen. -- Sam ^Sing! 11:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am not an Admin either and I am very sympathetic to your desire to do non-admin closures. I disagree with your assessment and feel it is inadequate for reasons stated. Legacypac (talk) 11:43, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, tell me which you want me to re-open, and I will reopen each and every one. -- Sam ^Sing! 11:45, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your flexibility. Okay, I'll take you up on your offer, if that was to me too, and I do ask that you re-open Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brittany Wiser, and request that you probably shouldn't close any of the others among the batch of 12 inter-linked AFDs of models, which are all stil open. It would be fine if you indicate in a comment there that you closed and were asked to unclose, and give a vote or not, yourself. I may myself vote in a reopened Brittany Wiser AFD, and if I do, I will self-disclose that I asked for the re-opening. I don't think Legacypac, and definitely not me, are commenting on any other NonAdminCloses you might have done, and to be clear i think these 2 NACs were marginal and others could view them differently. --do ncr am 22:57, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Just a comment: Before I became an admin, I interpreted the limitation on NAC closures VERY strictly. I basically closed only cases where there were nothing but "keep" votes. IMO once you are balancing keeps against deletes, you are basically functioning at an admin level. I know that not all NAC closers agree with this assessment; they feel they can spot an obvious case (say with multiple Keeps and a single Delete) and close it. But I don't think a non-admin should ever attempt to close a discussion that has multiple delete !votes. It could be that the discussion is being stacked by puppets, or that one side is better grounded in policy than the other; these are decisions admins should make. I say this without looking at any of the cases discussed here or recommending any course of action on them; this is just my philosophy. --MelanieN (talk) 23:43, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Doncram, it has been reopened. MelanieN thanks for your input, I will keep it in mind. And @all involved: my apologies if I ventured into areas above my paycheck. Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 00:15, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Sam Sailor and MelanieN ! -- MelanieN's suggestion may be good, although indeed wp:NAC does allow "Clear keep outcomes after a full listing period (stated in the instructions to each XfD, this is usually seven days), absent any contentious debate among participants." It's subjective when it's a "clear keep"; i interpreted Sam Sailor as viewing it to be clear, though I disagreed, no problem, all good. cheers, bye --do ncr am 02:15, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:FILM

Hi Sam. Just a heads up that the we don't link to years in film and/or countries in the lead of an article, per WP:EGG. There are lots of discussions in the talkpage archives if you need to check. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 14:40, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lugnuts, thanks for just telling me, the finer details of MOS can make a grown up man feel like Bambi on ice ... so [[1969 in film|1969]] [[Cinema of Denmark|Danish]] should both be dropped? -- Sam ^Sing! 14:49, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No probs. Yes, neither year or country should be linked. Thanks for all your help with the Danish films. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 17:12, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure, and once again thanks for correcting me. -- Sam ^Sing! 22:16, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

February 2015 Wikification drive

Greetings! Just spreading a message to the members of WikiProject Wikify that the February drive has been started. Better late than never! Come on, sign up! :) Grinding, grinding, grinding... what are we finding, finding, finding... (talk) 23:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Bananasoldier. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Super16 (film school), and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Bananasoldier (talk) 02:47, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Bananasoldier: Since I wrote the article and fly the WP:AUTOPAT flag, it gets patrolled automatically, and since it is neither a candidate for speedy nor PROD, the need for un-reviewing does not exist. If you think otherwise, please let me know. -- Sam ^Sing! 09:20, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

V. K. Singh page unedit

You made a mistake unediting V. K. Singh page.

You made a mistake due to:

EITHER

Your (according to my presumption) ignorance of Hindi language; in which meaning of the word drastically changes from something ordinary "Chhodo" meaning "leave, quit" to something highly vulgar "Chodo" meaning "ahem, well....ahem, let's just say something very vulgar".

OR

You have nothing better to do, and are micro-moderating.

I'm assuming it's the former, and also assuming you will revert back my edit.

You're welcome in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.219.38 (talk) 03:04, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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@67.170.219.38: This situation could likely have been avoided if you had followed good practice and provided an edit summary explaining the reason for your edit. The consonant cluster chh is not in use in any of the languages I know, so when patrolling recent changes with WP:STiki such an edit looks like ordinary disruptive editing. Please also notice that the cite news used as source

"VK Singh now battles with Baba Ramdev". Zee News. ANI. 12 August 2012.

does indeed say "Singhaasan Chodo Janta Aati Hai".

With your explanation I have no reason to doubt that the error goes all the way back to the transliteration in the source. I have brought up the question on Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics where you are welcome to chime in. -- Sam ^Sing! 10:14, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

4st 7lb

Good job rescuing this one Sam! §FreeRangeFrog^croak 04:04, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for noticing, FreeRangeFrog - and I don't really fancy that band! I was merely demonstrating that nom, who was banned from tagging with {{notability}} all of a sudden nominated 17 articles for deletion within less than 48 hours, and that, in at least this case, they had done no BEFORE due diligence. -- Sam ^Sing! 09:25, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Fixed -- Sam ^Sing! 09:27, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Department of Health & Human Services (Victoria)

Thread retitled from "09:44:20, 10 February 2015 review of submission by Melbournematters".

I have updated the page with reliable references as requested. Melbournematters (talk) 09:44, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Look at my comment in the draft. Could you find some WP:SECONDARY sources? -- Sam ^Sing! 10:27, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AfD

This AfD brought a smile to my face, esp. checking the previous nomination was by the same editor, less than a year ago! Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 13:08, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Lugnuts: Ooops! Don't tell him about User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js. ... I'll see if I can find a source to add. Cheers, -- Sam ^Sing! 13:38, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Lugnuts: You're not using citation tool for Google Books? -- Sam ^Sing! 13:50, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, I had no idea that existed! Very useful. Thanks! Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 14:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, yes. (Hard to believe an editor with your track record did not have Reftag bookmarked already.) -- Sam ^Sing! 14:15, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

re: Various questions

Short answer: Yes. Production companies are fine, the distribution ones are a bit of a grey area and are often non-defining. For example, a non-English language film will have different distribution companies in the US/UK. Might be worth raising it at WT:FILM as it's one area I don't do much editing in. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 19:13, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Lugnuts: OK, I'll raise the question over there. My thought was that we have a (limited) plainlist in the infobox for Distributors, but that distributors do not qualify for a Category. Thanks, -- Sam ^Sing! 19:38, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

21:04:12, 10 February 2015 review of submission by 220.244.228.205

220.244.228.205 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Department of Health & Human Services (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

220.244.228.205 (talk) 21:04, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a newspaper article explaining the changes to the departments.

re: February 2015

Dear Sam, this is in response to your message regarding edit-warring left on my talk page. I fully understand the rules of engagement and editing on Wikipedia. However, there appears to be a collaborative effort to vandalize the Kurds page for political purposes, namely Iranians/Persians and/or advocates of a view that Kurds have an Iranian/Persian identity. Please have a look at the lead, which I will quote here:

"The Kurds (Kurdish: کورد Kurd) are an ethnic Iranian group in the Middle East, mostly inhabiting a contiguous area spanning adjacent parts of modern-day Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey, a geo-cultural region often referred to as "Kurdistan". The Kurds are an Iranian people and speak the Kurdish languages, which form a subgroup of the Northwestern Iranian branch of Iranian languages."

As you can see, there are 3 occasions within these two sentences that the Kurds are labeled "Iranians". There is no reason why the lead should mention that Kurds are "Iranian" 3 times. This is not helpful, not objective nor academic, and it is redundant. I have the personal view based on a number of resources that the classification of Kurds as Iranian is false. However, since some users have been insistent on this classification, I have left the mention of Kurds being classified as such within the lead. The only thing I have done is removed the redundancies in order to improve the quality of this Wikipedia article. My proposed alteration of the lead is the following:

"The Kurds (Kurdish: کورد Kurd) are an ethnic group in the Middle East, mostly inhabiting a contiguous area spanning adjacent parts of modern-day Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey, a geo-cultural region often referred to as "Kurdistan". The Kurds are speak the Kurdish languages, which form a subgroup of the Northwestern Iranian branch of Iranian languages."

I have already taken this to the Kurds Talk Page in the past. After several discussions and debates with other Wikipedia members, we agreed on the terms. However, every time I return I see that people are changing the article again to include the redundancies, and quite frankly, inserting their subjective views. I do not believe I am edit-warring. I am simply attempting to clean the article (as well as take it back to a state that we had previously agreed) but others are constantly changing it back. Your further input is welcome.

Thank you.

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Dear Sharisna, thanks for your confidence in me. What, in your own words, is the difference between "Iranian" and "Iranian people"? Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 09:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sam Sailor, Iranian people in a modern context are the citizens of the nation-state of Iran. While there are Kurds living in Iran and who are citizens of Iran, the majority of Kurds are indigenous to Turkey, Iraq, and Syria and are not Iranian people. Therefore, it's confusing to readers when the article is stating that Kurds are Iranian people. The sources that some Wikipedia users cite are writers that classify Kurds as "Iranian" based on linguistics. That is why I think it is sufficient based on such sources to mention the Kurdish language group as being classified as Iranian, rather than defining Kurds as Iranian, which is both misleading as well as debatable. The history of the Kurds is not entirely clear and the linguistic classification is based purely on the similarities between Kurdish languages and Persian. In addition, it really makes little sense to state this 3 different times in two sentences within the lead. It's simply redundant. Thanks for taking the time to read this and considering my arguments. -- User:Sharisna 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sharisna, thanks for WP:INDENTing your message, you are doing great! If you end your messages witn ~~~~ they will both be signed and dated. So simple, when you get the hang of it.

Just for one moment let us put the question about Kurds aside. Please have a look at Baloch people. Just read the WP:LEAD, the lead is the part of the article that comes before the Contents box. What do you think? Is the text good as it is now? -- Sam ^Sing! 02:54, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sam Sailor, thank you. Sorry for the delay; I was on holiday. I have had a look at the Baloch people. I think it, too, is redundant for the same reasons. However it is far less so than the Kurds lead has been at various times. It is funny to see this debate live on Wikipedia because Kurds actually have very famous old songs where they deny being Iranian but that is a whole other topic I suppose! In any case, I think it is fine to leave the statement about linguistic classification of Kurdish as being Iranian in the lead, but adding more references to Iranian is both confusing and redundant for the reasons I previously stated. Thanks for the tip on how to add a signature to my messages. I was wondering how to do that. Sharisna (talk) 01:23, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look at the recent changes to the article following the RFC on Talk:Kurds. I am neither Kurd nor Iranian, so for me it is easy not to get upset by this matter. I can understand why a Kurd might not feel the same way. Best, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 12:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Message from Obedear

Hey Sam, I don't know how this works but I only created an account because I was looking for information last night, and all the info had just been deleted and replaced with the word penis. because I did not know how to report the page, I created an account, deleted the profanity, and typed a message someone deleted all the info and replaced with profanity, and I asked for someone to please update the page in my message. This morning when I decided to check for the info I had a message on my account stating that I had vandalized the page, when I did just the opposite. I don't appreciate me being accused of vandalism, especially because it annoys me. Sorry if this message messes up your page (I am new to this) but you did mess up mine by accusing me of vandalism. If you reply to this I will not see it unless it is on my page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obedear (talk • contribs) 17:44, 11 February 2015‎

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You are absolutely right, Obedear, that's a mistake both from ClueBOT (a robot that normally does a very good job at detecting unwarrented edits) and myself. Accept my apologies, please, you did the right thing. I will remove the warning messages from your talk page and post a welcome message. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask. Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 18:01, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Fixed -- Sam ^Sing! 09:27, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think, u don't understand. because, I'm korean and naver user.

My word is correct face!

only face. wiki is web 2.0 participation, sharing, open

Me! You understand me.

I fight to naver. I talk to correct face for naver.

I'm Korean. So I want to receive naver convenience for naver.

Only It.

thanks u.

Whiate consumer = I — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.1.234.186 (talk) 20:53, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I could ask you to go and read WP:V, but I think the better suggestion is to ask you to post at WT:KOREA, so somebody there can explain, translated to Korean, how we work here. Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 02:40, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

6th Bodil Awards

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Draft:Movebubble

I've unmarked this draft as under review because it appears you have not edited it for a number of hours. Cheers, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 04:49, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Lixxx235: Thanks for that, L235. Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 10:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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the bachelor season 19

You have disabled editing on this page for some reason and now no one can correct the incorrect information on the page!!! What's the point of Wikipedia anyway if the information on your site is not correct????

Britt did NOT withdraw from the show. She talked about doing so but was sent home by Chris before she was able to quit/withdraw. If Wikipedia is going to exist, then you need to either put correct information on your pages or allow the general public to do so for you!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.90.210.162 (talk) 16:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You have several options here: A. Create an WP:ACCOUNT. As soon as you are autoconfirmed, you can edit The Bachelor (season 19). B. If you do not want to sign up for an account, consider filing sensible Wikipedia:Edit requests on the article talk page. If you have further questions, don't hesitate to ask. -- Sam ^Sing! 16:14, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

20:37:09, 17 February 2015 review of submission by Hearingdeafone

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- Draft:Civil Coping Mechanisms (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I disagree regarding editor Sam Sailor's characterization of the page's tone as not formal enough, and that it uses peacock terms. I would like specific references to moments in the submitted article where informal tone and peacock terms occur. I would also like to see an example of an article about a comparable subject which Sam Sailor believes avoids informality/peacock terms. For example, the Two Dollar Radio page, or the Poets & Writers page.

Hearingdeafone (talk) 20:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It does appear you got my last name wrong there. Not that it matters a whole lot to me, but it might to other editors here. -- Sam ^Sing! 20:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops! Sorry Sam

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Tom Blake

Hell, Sam, and thanks for the kind words about the article I just submitted. I notice it is rated "class C" and was wondering how I could improve it. I hope to add some photos as soon as I can straighten out copyright issues-- is there anything else I can add or change? Thanks again, very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hudsonberry (talk • contribs) 17:30, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Hudsonberry: I was too stingy, and have raised it to B. You should def. deal with the IBID issue; shouldn't take you long. Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 17:42, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks a lot-- didn't know about an "ibid" issue but will look it up.Hudsonberry (talk) 17:51, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:IBID ... thought you had seen my message on your talk page. -- Sam ^Sing! 17:52, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh-- just reread your message and now I understand. Will fix! (Sometimes I'm slow.) Hudsonberry (talk) 17:54, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Hudsonberry: No prob at all. If you have two weeks to spare, sit down, read and memorize WP:MOS ... then please return and teach me, coz I can't remember most parts of it. ;-) -- Sam ^Sing! 17:58, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

LOL-- I'll get right on it!Hudsonberry (talk) 18:03, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sam, can you point me to the process for straightening up the disambiguation situation? There's a disambiguation page for "Thomas Blake" but if you simply search Wikipedia for Tom Blake, it doesn't take you there, but to "Tom Blake (Australian footballer)." Any help would be appreciated. Hudsonberry (talk) 20:09, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I think I'm almost there-- edited the "Thomas Blake" disambiguation page and added a hatnote to the Tom Blake (Australian footballer) page. Is there anything else I should be doing? Thanks agaiin for all your help. Hudsonberry (talk) 21:24, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WarrenJStuart

Hi Sam, The Sequart page I was trying to create was originally posted on the ComicsRascal account, but was deleted a long time ago when it wasn't approved. I Resubmitted the old page (from the ComicsRascal account with the additions that were suggested previously). This has been frustrating though because (before re-submitting the old page from ComicsRascal) I tried again using this new account (warrenjstuart) and was denied because the article was a duplicate. Should I try to resubmit the old page again (posted by ComicsRascal)? Please advise. 20:30, 18 February 2015 (UTC) Stuart W. 12:29PM PST — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warrenjstuart (talk • contribs)

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Draft:Sequart Organization was created by ComicsRascal on 25 June 2014 and edited by you on 15:46, 15 February 2015‎

Draft:Sequart Organization (2) was created by you on 14 January 2015 and has not been edited by ComicsRascal

A few minutes after you edited Draft:Sequart Organization ComicsRascal pops up after not having edited for 7+ months and creates a third draft in their sandbox.

Whatever the reasons, could you just stick to the oldest, Draft:Sequart Organization? If you need guidance, a lot of fine editors are ready to answer your questions at the helpdesk or serve you a cuppa at the Teahouse. Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 22:16, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Metacognitive Therapy

Hi Sam. I'm trying to understand the process that gave rise to Metacognitive Therapy. I'm a very experienced editor, but I've never used AFC and don't understand how it works. All I can see is that the article was created by a new editor, user:Wiki Djinn42, who has a total of three edits, the second of which was to create that entire article in a single edit in his sandbox. I have some concerns about the article -- it has a strongly promotional appearance to me. I'm wondering if the AFC process involved some interactions that I can't see, that satisfied you about the article's legitimacy. I'm not accusing anybody of anything, I just don't know how to proceed at this point. Best regards, Looie496 (talk) 22:32, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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@Looie496: If you look at my contribs I am sure you can see that I do a lot of work, and I have absolutely no relations or interactions with any editor submitting articles. Granted, I'm not a medical expert, but Metacognitive Therapy appeared to be well sourced and whatever aspect of "we made the concept" is in there I thought could be left to the editors here to deal with. But I'll gladly here from you if you think it's an empty pot of promo piss ... or anything in-between. Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 22:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's definitely not the worst thing I've ever seen :-), but it fits the general pattern of paid editing. I can ask the editor who created it, of course, but I bet I don't get any response. One thing is certain: whoever created that article is a highly experienced editor. Best regards, Looie496 (talk) 22:54, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Looie496: Among the many AFCs I had the "pleasure" of reviewing yesterday, MT was, compared to most, a fine submission. If it's been a while since you did mundane chores like reading Articles for Creation, hit the green button and do a bunch, if you dare. :) Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 08:58, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I do quite a bit of mundane work in terms of maintaining WP:WikiProject Neuroscience and participating in WP:WikiProject Medicine. Anyway, I just spent about an hour cleaning up that article. I know what a pleasure it must be to see a well-formed article amidst all the crap you're subjected to, but it would also be good to be alert to the hallmarks of paid editing -- I personally believe that promotional editing is the greatest threat to Wikipedia in the long run. There are a number of experienced editors who have been offering their services for hire. They try to conceal the fact that they are writing for money, but the articles they create tend to follow a certain pattern: (1) they are correctly formatted and include plenty of references; (2) they are subtly promotional in tone and never say anything negative about their subjects; (3) they come from new accounts, because the editors who do this don't want anybody to be able to track their work. If you have any doubts about the validity of an article on a health-related topic, please ask about it at WT:MED. WikiProject Medicine is very active, and you're likely to get a quick response; we get a substantial number of queries from editors who participate in AFC. Best regards, Looie496 (talk) 14:35, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tips, @Looie496:, I will keep WT:MED in mind. Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 15:09, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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@Lixxx235: Thanks, very kind of you. If we were 200 editors reviewing two submissions each a day, we would soon get rid of the backlog. -- Sam ^Sing! 09:04, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Skilbeck biography

Sam, I sent you a mail with reasons I would like this biography about me to be deleted. I consider some of the content to be disproportionate, only partially accurate, biased and defamatory. While I do not see Wikipedia in any way as a promotional vehicle, I expect it to present information in its proper context.

The inclusion concerning the Moscaline blog post is incompletely reported. The post does not mention that the Moscaline blog followed up with a post noting there had been a miscommunication between us, that he wrote his report while he was angry and that he writes the response of the cycling community got out of hand - about which he expressed contrition in our telephone conversation. Neither is there reference is made to the fact that there were extenuating circumstances and apologies on both side.

The post states that some questioned me, but it does not state that others with better knowledge of the situation wrote in support. The post does not state that some who were critical publicly retracted their remarks.

Furthermore, no caveats are given that sometimes blog posts are unreliable and can create a mob mentality in which an individual is not given a fair hearing and as such should not always be taken seriously. Certainly not seriously enough to be included in Wikipedia.

My question: Did an expert in the field submit this? Or was it somebody who just picked up something from a Google search? Can anybody with a professional agenda or a personal grudge submit to Wikipedia? What are the safeguards against this? I drew this Moscaline post to the attention of an experienced journalist and media manager that I know in Slovenia, Andrej Dekleva, who wrote in response: "oh my god, silly stuff: Skilbeck's credibility as a communications expert has recently been called into question by the cycling community due to his dubious handling of media credentials at the 2013 NAHBS.[1]"

So, at least one expert in the field now thinks Wikipedia includes "silly stuff." Well, two actually, if I count myself. I am sure I could find more if I drew the attention of others to it. Pskilbeck (talk) 06:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Pskilbeck: Paul, I removed that line from the article sourced from the Moscaline blog. It's not a reliable source for what was stated. And as the IP editor that added it is Aussie, I think anybody can put 2 and 2 together and will get something in the range of 3.5 and 4.5. Indeed silly. Anything else you want me to do? Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 09:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Sam Sailer: Thank you Sam. In the comments on the biographical piece, some editors questioned my position in my field and requested further evidence. All I really can offer from that period is a print piece written about me in a Dutch cycling publication, Wieler Revue, from their Mountain Bike Special in 1999. This makes reference to my getting the International Cycling Union online as well as creating an international association of the press working in mountain biking (to enhance efficiencies in working conditions at world cup events). The Mountain Bike Press Association was very influential for a few crucial years in the sport's early development, and was a lot more than 'a club' as one editor suggested when he removed that reference.

I have not felt comfortable (and still don't) contributing to a discussion about my own biography, which is why I have been silent about all this until now. It's up to others to write if they feel so inclined, and I already have my CV on LinkedIn anyway. I just felt the Moscaline piece was incongruous. Pskilbeck (talk) 06:55, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

14:15:21, 19 February 2015 review of submission by Henryokeyia

Henryokeyia (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Ray Blaze (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi i am trying to make a new Draft for the Artist Ray Blaze but i really do not understand how the citation works after reading the Help topic i still dont understand properly i will be glad if any one can help me on this.

Regards

Henry

Henryokeyia (talk) 14:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Henryokeyia: Wikipedia:Citing sources is the friend you need. -- Sam ^Sing! 14:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 17:24:15, 19 February 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Schultzenheimer

Schultzenheimer (talk · contribs)
- User:Schultzenheimer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is my first submission of a Wikipedia entry. I was inspired to create it after stumbling across the entries for products similar to our, but made by competitors. In this case, I referred to Makroclear, an existing Wikipedia entry, as a template. I admit, I copied and pasted the source content from Makrolon entry and then edited it to contain info about Palsun, which is our brand of polycarbonate. I did not want to plagiarize the Makrolon entry, but I also wanted to follow its form to ensure that it would fit within the Wikipedia standards. The text I added was intended to clarify some things.

I have now edited the entry so that it very closely resembles the Makrolon entry. If it is declined again, I would really like to know, more specifically, why, and how Makrolon would continue to be posted.

Thanks for taking the time to review the first time around. I have a lot of respect for Wikipedia and hope to become a valuable contributor over time. This effort was my first attempt to emulate something that was there. A college English instructor had us do something similar for writing projects, emulate passages from books that we read in class. I learned a lot about structure and form that way. My goal was to do that here too.

Thanks,

Stan Schultz

Schultzenheimer (talk) 17:24, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Schultzenheimer: Stan, thanks for being frank. I'll be frank with you then. The Wikipedia:Other stuff exists-argument is not valid here. As soon as I have finished typing this message to you I will tag Makroclear for deletion. It only goes to show that we are too few editors to keep up with the amount of crap being posted by people who think Wikipedia is just another kind of Facebook for their autobiography, their garage-band, their product. I could very well be wrong, but judging from a brief Google-search, there might be more to add about Palsun than there is about Makroclear. However, it has to be based on sources, and it might be an uphill experience. But good luck. And if you really want to stay here and edit, I'll be glad to try to help you getting started in the areas that have your interest. You just let me know. Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 17:45, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just a follow-up saying that I WP:BOLDly redirected the unsourced Makroclear to Polycarbonate where it was already mentioned. -- Sam ^Sing! 17:51, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I confess that it took me a while to look up and figure out how to reply on your talk page—and I'm not yet sure I'm doing it correctly. In an age where typical user interfaces are elegant and easy to use, Wikipedia sure seems to make it somewhat difficult to do. I imagine that normally would help keep a dolt like me from meesing things up. Anyway, thanks for your reply.

So now I have a couple of questions... let me know if I should instead take them to the "Teahouse" (I think I saw that as the place where questions can be answered. I can accept that the "Other stuff exists" argument is no valid, and I appreciate that you redirected the Makroclear article to Polycarbonate, however, the Makroclear article is what inspired my actions to begin with. Near the beginning of that article, "Lexan" and "Makrolon" are mention as "brands" of polycarbonate. I wondered what would prevent me from adding our brand to that entry. I discovered that the entry was locked due to "Disruptive Editing," which i can understand. --as an asside, Lexan and Makrolon are trademarked brands for PC resins and are used with extensions for semi-finished products (i.e. Lexan Corrugated). I'm willing to accept that because Lexan and Makrolon are PC resin brands that they deserve to be listed there, whereas Palsun is only a brand for family of a semi-finished products.

I see that MakroKlear has now been added to the semi-finished products list. It was my original goal to have our brands added to that list. 1) Is that possible? 2) If so, who do I submit the the request to? 3) If not, why? (given that others are listed) 4) SUNLITE is a trademark of Palram Industries, Ltd. and is used for our multi-wall polycarbonate products. The wiki entry Sunlite as being from VMI Plastics in India. We have marketing offices in India, so there is a chance that VMI is selling our product, but they certainly don't attribute Palram on their website (I'm having our people look into that). What is the criteria for determining which products get listed in the semi-finished product list. based on what I see, ours should be listed there (Palsun, Sunlite, and Suntuf).

Again, I appreciate you taking the time to review. Wikipedia is a monstrous colection of information, most of which requires a lot of reading, searching, looking at related links, etc. It's seems pretty challenging to find answers on your own. Schultzenheimer (talk) 20:37, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Schultzenheimer: My best advise here is that you go to Talk:Polycarbonate, open a new section, and ask the same frank questions. Hopefully there are editors there who are not only knowledgeable regarding the material but also the trade names and the business, I am not. Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 20:54, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. Now that I understand the talk feature, I have a sense of how to proceed. Thanks for your help. Schultzenheimer (talk) 00:09, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sanjib_Sahoo

Sam

I see the article I submitted was not accepted. This is my first time trying to create a wiki page and went through the guidelines on notable individuals and don't fully understand the primary/secondary sources.

Can you give some examples to explain this better?

Is there anyway I can actually chat with you?

Thanks TH — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikicontributorTH (talk • contribs) 03:40, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@WikicontributorTH: Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources is a good place to start. But using citations that don't mention subject is naturally not a good idea. -- Sam ^Sing! 09:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sam

All the citations I used mention the subject. I have too many citations though, should I pull some of these out and submit? Please help!

THanks TH — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikicontributorTH (talk • contribs) 03:09, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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No they did not. The two first I opened did not mention him at all. You should not have that long list of press and media. Spend a couple of days with Help:Referencing for beginners in other browser window and give the draft a good overhaul before re-submitting. -- Sam ^Sing! 12:43, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

06:21:45, 20 February 2015 review of submission by 180.149.46.148

180.149.46.148 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Clean e-India (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, This is a nationwide environmental initiative in India by IFC for cleaning e-Waste in India. It is similar to "Swachh Bharat Abhiyan launched by Prime Minister of India ([Swachh_Bharat_Abhiyan]).

180.149.46.148 (talk) 06:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 09:17:36, 20 February 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Stevedekorte

Stevedekorte (talk · contribs)
- User:Stevedekorte (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Sam, thanks for reviewing the Bitmarkets page. Can you tell me in which way the Bitmarkets page differs from the Open Bazaar page that allows Open Bazaar to be acceptable but Bitmarkets not to be acceptable? Thanks.

Stevedekorte (talk) 09:17, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Stevedekorte: The question you ask is a variation on Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. I have tagged OpenBazaar. ... AfC is a a place where you can get feedback on article creation instead of dumping it into main space (the area with articles proper) all at once risking speedy deletion or PRODing. Bitmarkets (your sandbox) would probably survive but be tagged with {{ref improve}}. ... I have to say that considering you supposedly are writing about your own "baby", you're doing a fine job at staying neutral. -- Sam ^Sing! 09:33, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

11:21:30, 20 February 2015 review of submission by 86.97.72.187

86.97.72.187 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Saeed Al Nazari (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, Can we know why the sources isn't notable? it was all from Official Newspapers in both Arabic and English Please advise so we work on a better draft

86.97.72.187 (talk) 11:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@86.97.72.187: Thank you for your message. Having had a second look at the article, I actually think the coverage is good enough to meet WP:BIO. If you submit the draft again, I will publish it into main space. -- Sam ^Sing! 11:41, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Sam, Thanks a lot; I have resubmit the draft again. For your kind review and approval. 2.50.42.18 (talk) 07:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 15:10:07, 20 February 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by GVndl

GVndl (talk · contribs)
- User:GVndl (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Sam,

thank you for your comment on Silvio Wolf's draft. May I ask you some clarifications? The fact is that I used many essays by different authors published mainly in On the Threshold. Thus, I have not used only one source written by the subject but I quoted it to simplify - I see that this may be misunderstood. Thus, would it be enough to quote each author - published in the same catalogue - instead of just the catalogue (On the Threshold)?

Thanks a lot!

GVndl (talk) 15:10, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@GVndl: Hi GVndl. I have misunderstood "Silvio Wolf, On the Threshold, Milan: Silvana Editoriale, 2011". I thought it was a book by Wolf. It a catalogue, da vero? There's no doubt about subjects notability, we just have to find a handful of good sources (=references) to add to the article. I added a {{cite book}} to the WP:LEAD. (It could maybe fit better further down, but that's another, minor thing.) Couldn't you find some sources like, e.g. this one:

"Review: 'The Edge of Vision' at Lewis & Clark College tracks the many looks of photographic abstraction". OregonLive.com. Retrieved 20 February 2015.

and then we could add them? You are welcome to post them here, telling me where in the article they would fit, and then I will take care of the technicalities. Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 15:26, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sam,

thank you for your reply! Yes, exactly, it's a catalogue! I'm actually editing the footnotes with the authors. Unfortunately I can't find any link like the one you posted me.. would that be ok anyway? I already posted some in external links. I can keep on researching though.

Also, I think the texts quoted may appear on the artist's personal website, but as you may note, there is only one link for all of them - shall I put it in each footnote anyway?

Thanks a lot! GVndl78.145.18.124 (talk) 00:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Love for the Elderly

Hi Sam, Thank you for looking over my "Love for the Elderly" article. I appreciate it! I've been trying to improve the credibility of the sources, and I think it's a good article now... just a little short. I'd be very grateful if you could look over it again to help me improve it.

Thank you very much, and have a wonderful day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacobeliii (talk • contribs) 15:58, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Joseph Sledge

Thanks for your comments on the new article I created, Its the first time I've created an article, so I appreciate the timely reply. I've expanded the references greatly, (and learned how to cite the same source multiple times :), and, in any case, I've resubmitted it. Insertcleverphrasehere (talk) 02:24, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Insertcleverphrasehere: There's always something new to learn here, I know that feeling! Looks good with the added sources, I'll let somebody else have a look so we get more eyes on the draft. -- Sam ^Sing! 08:48, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding article(draft) declined today named Epic Research Private Limited

Hello Sam, This is my first article on wikipedia under the title "Epic Research Private Limited", one of the financial company in my residing city Indore. I have wrote many articles before and haven't got any problem. Yes, I find some problem with the Wiki-code. Please help me to know the reason behind rejection of the Draft.

Hoping for the positive response.

Regards, Anshul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anshul01784 (talk • contribs) 05:42, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Anshul01784: Hi Anshul.

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. When you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:

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Thank you. What other articles have you written? -- Sam ^Sing! 08:51, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Church artist - rejected submission

You recently rejected my submission on the equine artist Charles Church because of the lack of reliable references.

This is an artist who is not in the public eye so extended references are difficult, although he has shown work personally to the Queen and his clients include owners like the Aga Khan.

I have included six references in addition to his own website - sees below.

Can you explain what more I need to do ?

Alastair Nisbet 21 Feb 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alastair Nisbet (talk • contribs) 07:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Alastair Nisbet:

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Thank you. You could start moving the references inline as we do in biographies of living persons. I have done it with one using the template {{Cite web}}. -- Sam ^Sing! 09:35, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for help re Charles Church artist

Sam - thank you so much for your help.

References are now in the right style I hope !

Am I getting there ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Charles_Church_(artist)#cite_note-1

regards Alastair Nisbet (talk) 10:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)Alastair Nisbet[reply]

Yeah, looks good, Alastair, try to move them up inline so they support something in the text. -- Sam ^Sing! 10:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again - I've added a couple into the text but the references are mainly about him in general not specific works. Do I need to delete from references and leave in external links - otherwise they are appearing twice.

Alastair Nisbet (talk) 12:09, 21 February 2015 (UTC)Alastair Nisbet[reply]

Have a look at what I did, yes, if we cite a reference inline, we don't also have it in the External links section. I suggest you resubmit the draft so other editors can have a look at it and give their opinion. Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 12:28, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I spotted what you'd done before I saw your note. Thanks so much Sam - I have learned a lot ! Alastair Nisbet (talk) 12:31, 21 February 2015 (UTC)Alastair Nisbet[reply]

Double standards re notability

Forwarded message to WT:MED#Comment on Draft:Hushe A-CES

The following is a closed discussion. Please do not modify it.

Hello Wikipedia Editor,

I should like to highlight a glaring disparity in the way, for example, a film due for release in the coming year, with no independent reviews as yet, is able to make it onto the pages of Wikipedia and yet another product that is not a film but has beneficial applications to mental health is not.

I refer of course to your disapproval of the page for the Hushe A-CES, a device which I used last year as part of a research study and found to be exceptionally good at alleviating my insomnia. As with anything that is relatively new, is it not a surprise there exists little third party subject matter on it? And yet a future release of a film is allowable by mere mention by the producer?

One feels a tiny bit like a character in George Orwell's 1984, with knowledge being controlled by the whim of those in control. The article I submitted about the Hushe A-CES cranial electrotherapy stimulator manufactured by Hushe Limited in the United Kingdom should not be suppressed just because it is little known of. As with a future film, or a past event, these are all real things. The mere fact that I have not identified a third party as a source of information should not be ground for exclusion and smacks of pedantry. If you look at the research study cited in my article you will find references to comments I and other third parties gave to the study administrator. Am I to infer from your stance that you do not regard this as third party material? If so, do you therefore agree that this implies falsification on the part of the author of that study? I am sure you appreciate the gravity of such an implied statement.

I would therefore encourage you to suggest a review of Wikipedia's notability policy and look forward to my article's equal treatment to the countless others which are permitted merely for adhering to cultural precepts of acceptability.

Kind regards

Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendlymilk (talk • contribs) 15:26, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Message from Lostboy11

Hello sir i was wondering if you could help me with my article yung Rhymes[1] because you are an admin and you have more experience--Lostboy11 (talk) 15:31, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sam please could you submit my article but leave a reference notice and i will sort the references--Lostboy11 (talk) 15:39, 21 February 2015 (UTC) out[reply]

Sorry, I have other things on my plate. -- Sam ^Sing! 16:29, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks anyway--Lostboy11 (talk) 18:31, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

18:27:48, 21 February 2015 review of submission by Tmar456

Tmar456 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Marcus Collins (Singer, Actor) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Tmar456 (talk) 18:27, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sam,

The article was originally declined prior to adding Marcus's Film and TV credits. Because of his extensive list of acting credits I believe he is a notable person on his own. The group he is a member of is definitely notable, but the fact that he is a member of SAG with multiple film credits seems that he would meet the criteria. Additionally there was a Wikipedia page for Marcus for several years and it was suddenly deleted right around the same time as another singer from the UK emerged. I believe because of the two individuals with the same name in the same industry should each have their own page. The Texas Tenors page can link to Marcus. Currently if you search Wikipedia for him there is only a page to another singer by the same name.

Please advise.

Thank you.

No matter what subject might be notable for the onus of proof lies with you, and as I said in my review there is not much in the current refs that indicates notability per WP:ACTOR or WP:BASIC. I could be wrong. -- Sam ^Sing! 18:36, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well your comment threw me off because you said: "Noting in the sources here used as references indicate that subject is notable for a stand-alone article" But then you declined it after saying he was notable. Were you mistaken in your comment? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmar456 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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No. Please read it again. Or the short version: "Noting [...] indicate that subject is notable for a stand-alone article" -- Sam ^Sing! 18:45, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for the signature.

Are you saying I need to add more external references?

Tmar456 (talk) 18:53, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Tmar456: Yes. Help:Referencing for beginners might be of what you need now. -- Sam ^Sing! 18:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thank you for the hard work you do at article for creation. We at WikiProject Medicine appreciate you keeping out low quality information. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:34, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Doc James: Thanks, James, kind of you to notice. We are almost down to 800 pending submissions now, not fantastic, but at least c. 400 less than 4 days ago.

Looie496 deserves credit here. I had asked for comments on drafts at WT:MATH a couple of times, and Looie encouraged me to post at WT:MED when needed. And the teaching here is so obvious: accept that you're not omnipotent when reviewing AfCs, just turn to the people in the know. Knowledge diversty is, after all, one of the core strengths of the project. Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 08:45, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:436th Operations Support Squadron (2) Not a Duplicate of a Pending Submission

Draft:436th Operations Support Squadron (2) is a duplicate, but the other draft is not a pending submission (the author appears to have abandoned it last month and started over), so I don't believe you should have declined (2) as a duplicate. Of course there may be other good reasons to decline it. Would you revisit your decline, or at least the reason for it? Thanks Worldbruce (talk) 21:12, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Worldbruce: Bruce, in a case like this just undo me and do what you think is necessary. Where did you see the detail re pending submission, I do not see it in the template docs? -- Sam ^Sing! 21:46, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. There's a paragraph near the very bottom of WP:AFCR with details on duplicate submissions. Thanks for your participation in AfC, since starting work here I've never seen the backlog this low.Worldbruce (talk) 01:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, Worldbruce, thanks for pointing this out for me. And it has to be the same editor. OK, fair enough. ... Yes, we are down to about 800, it's going in the right direction. Cheers, -- Sam ^Sing! 08:48, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete my draft

To me, on Draft:Firewall: Man vs. Machine, there aren't that many sources. Can u delete it? 23.243.249.28 (talk) 21:18, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@23.243.249.28: I see you have tagged it with {{db-g7}}, and that's exactly what to do. Thanks. Did you ever think about creating an WP:ACCOUNT? -- Sam ^Sing! 21:42, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bossdude777

They've made quite a few changes. I have a feeling they could be subtle vandalism, but I'm not sure. —George8211 / T 15:39, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, George8211, sometimes it is hard to tell. -- Sam ^Sing! 15:50, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

15:39:35, 22 February 2015 review of submission by HindustanScientist

HindustanScientist (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Devendra Paliwal (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

HindustanScientist (talk) 15:39, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Sir,.

First thanks for reviewing my Article & thanks for support.
I have seen you have declined the Article, but i am not clear "How can i attach the proofs so that it can prove that all the Contents, Achivements, Inventions are 100% valid ?".
Please let me know how can i attach & send it to you so that you can validate?.

Moreover i will give you the Scientist details, .
Dr. Devendra Paliwal Currently working in Central Silk Board of INDIA(Govt of INDIA).
Ofiice Phone No:+91 0596-3221244.
Mobile No: +91 9242281351.

Note: After reviewing all the details with the scientist or please let me know the procedure to validate, i kindly request you to look again this Draft.

Thanks.
Regards.
Anubhav

Follow and read the links in the pink box in the draft. -- Sam ^Sing! 15:53, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pierre Anctil

I added some references to the draft, I'll try to add some more very soon. 173.176.82.60 (talk) 17:01, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

New references added, I will resubmit. 173.176.82.60 (talk) 03:22, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Expanding a stub

I am new to expanding stub articles - just fixed typos before this. I started with the original, short article, pasting the code into my sandbox. Instead of rewriting the page itself, I used my own sandbox and asked for a review, before pasting it into the article itself. What should I do?

I wanted to add more facts and citations to Brad Myers' stub of an article. Here are the two articles to compare:

1. Stub: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Myers which says, "...is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it."

2. My Sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Athomeeditor/sandbox

Number 1 is very short, so you can easily compare it to my expanded article (keeping the old words and image), number 2. All the things I added are heavily cited, and are mostly about degrees, employment, papers he wrote, and awards he won. Your comments seemed to say that it looked like it could be added, except that it was a duplicate entry. Right?

What should I do next, to expand the stub -- just paste in my revision? I preferred to ask for someone to review it first, which is why there are two -- with the unpublished one staying in my Sandbox until you release it, hopefully! Thanks for your work!

Athomeeditor (talk) 21:54, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think it looks fairly good down to Awards. Well, leave out "He has attended every one of the 32 ACM SIGCHI conferences, and all the badges are shown here", because if we should go into details like that in BLPs who knows where we would end. Are there sources that talk about Myers having attended all 32 conferences, or do you just find it interesting yourself? You are, I presume, into Human-Computer Interaction yourself. I am not, so I had to look up SIFCHI manually. You had not linked it. Always think about the reader. Do not assume he knows what you know. The other thing is that you in-text link to an external URL ("shown here"). We don't do that much.

Bulleted lists are always boring and if possible should be written in prose. Could that be done with the Awards and honours section? (But, granted, there are cases where bulleted lists are just fine, don't get me wrong, a list of selected papers or a bibliography will be just that: a list.)

In your section /Research projects/ (mind the caps, it's not "Research Projects", WP:MOS is the holy scripture, and I can't remember a quarter of it so don't dispair!) you have a level 3 section about gemstones. IMHO you get into trivial details that do not belong in an encyclopaedia. Yeah, I can see it is funny, it is funny in this nerdy way, but it's much better suited for a blog, not for Wikipedia.

The first 8-10 lines are current and former projects, and again you are linking externally. I would assume that these projects can be found from Myers' web page, and I would not include them here. Are some of them worth mentioning in prose in the /Career/ section? Can you source the mention with references?

Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 22:51, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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23:34:03, 22 February 2015 review of submission by Bobtinin

Bobtinin (talk · contribs)
- Draft:PULSAR: Lost Colony (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I don't know why this was denied for notability. Is Valve not a reliable source now? Last time I noticed, Steam Greenlight showed obvious notability for games, plus the fact that the game will eventually become an Early Access game. And if that's not enough, do I need to refer to the forum to show the size of the PULSAR community? Bobtinin (talk) 23:34, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then you need to read Wikipedia:Notability (video games). The draft as it stands is supported mainly by self-published sources and Youtube videos. The size of the PULSAR community does not establish notability. -- Sam ^Sing! 23:47, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I used "self-published sources" to justify the summary of changes and gameplay of the game. It's literally straight from the developers when I refer to their videos. And I feel like I'm repeating myself here, when a game on Steam is greenlit, it means that Valve has worked with the developers to publish this game on Steam. I'm really speechless when you say that is somehow not notable. I will refer you to this. On top of this, like that page you've linked me has said, I have provided commentary beyond basic game data. From what I understand you want more outside (reliable) sources vs. primary sources, so if that's what you want, then tell me and it's done. --Bobtinin (talk) 01:15, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

01:06:49, 23 February 2015 review of submission by Yogthos

Yogthos (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Luminus (web framework) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Sam,

I've added additional references for Luminus. The reason I believe Luminus is notable is due to the fact that it's currently the most widely used Clojure web framework and frameworks of similar scope for Ruby and Python have already been accepted by Wikipedia.

I've added a reference for a book published about the framework, an active Google Group with discussions regarding Luminus, as well as additional sites discussing it. It appears that frameworks with similar amount of reference such as Flask have been accepted. Let me know if you're looking for any more specific references or if the updated ones are sufficient.

Regards, Dmitri

Yogthos (talk) 01:06, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Message from DShamen

Apologies, I submitted my article before I'd actually finished editing it - and missing a number of links to boot. Bit new this creating an article malarkey! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DShamen (talk • contribs) 01:39, 23 February 2015‎

@DShamen: No problem, mate. -- Sam ^Sing! 11:59, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Was going to ask if you could assist me with the article that I created actually... not entirely sure if it's up to scratch, and I'm not entirely convinced that the name is really acceptable or not. If you're up on your football rivalries then I will explain what I mean, if not then no problem. Cheers.

@DShamen: I actually went searching for sources the other day, although football isn't my turf so to speak, but from the mere 132 Goggle hits I got the impression that "A62 Derby" maybe just is a colloquial term ... or what? I'm not the right guy to ask. You should go join Wikipedia:WikiProject Football, and get some input from other Footy editors by posting at WT:FOOTY. Cheers, -- Sam ^Sing! 11:33, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You may have a point actually... the term 'A62 derby' refers to a fixture between two of Huddersfield Town, Leeds United and Oldham Athletic. I thought of using the term 'Roses Derby' or 'War of the Roses' but that is also used for various clubs close to the border Lancashire / Yorkshire boundaries, not just Huddersfield and Oldham - Manchester United and Leeds United being a prime example. Maybe just putting 'Huddersfield-Oldham rivalry' in the same way that a number of others have been on the 'Local derbies in the United Kingdom' category would suffice (for instance, 'Leeds-Manchester United', 'Bolton-Wigan')? Having checked thoroughly, the 'Roses Derby' term clearly gets a lot more hits though than calling it the A62 Derby, although the latter is in fairly common usage... for instance it has been referred to as such by Jeff Stelling on the Saturday football show. It is though most definitely a notable local rivalry in English football, and has been particularly since the 1980s.

@DShamen: Shamen, friend, the bar here is closed, you need to join the team over at WT:FOOTY ... they will welcome you warmly, especially if you remember to sign your talk page posts with four tildes (~~~~)

Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 01:36, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

07:51:25, 23 February 2015 review of submission by GrupoELP01

GrupoELP01 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Traficantes de Sueños (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I am writing because the Traficantes de Sueños article, I have some references and I have added two more that could be reliable to confirm what I am talking about, but the question is, because it is an Spanish project, it is quite difficult to find references in English so, are Spanish references ok? And if not, any recommendations on how to find reliable references?

Thank you.

Carlos

GrupoELP01 (talk) 07:51, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@GrupoELP01: Yes, Carlos, you can use non-English sources. -- Sam ^Sing! 11:59, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

07:54:04, 23 February 2015 review of submission by Zamdone

Zamdone (talk · contribs)
- User:Zamdone/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Zamdone (talk) 07:54, 23 February 2015 (UTC) sir actuly this is different city the city which is saved is tehsil of shahpur area and shahpur city is a previous place and ″shahpur sadar″ which is already saved is tehsil and is new place which is 5 kilo miter away from ″shahpur city″[reply]

@Zamdone: OK, just make sure you include a latitude and longitude, and references in your draft, so we can check it. And avoid writing your signature in the draft. -- Sam ^Sing! 11:59, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

08:36:22, 23 February 2015 review of submission by Lancehyde

Lancehyde (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Caleb Slain (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for taking the time to review Caleb Slain. I'm not a writer. I don't know how to represent the nobility of this human being.

Lancehyde (talk) 08:36, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

10:18:09, 23 February 2015 review of submission by Reethulingam

Reethulingam (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Congruent Solutions, Inc. (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Reethulingam (talk) 10:18, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Sam Sailor,

As per the review i have added some reference links. Kindly let me know whether these links are considered as notables ones or not. If not, give me some samples to understand appropriate links. Guide me to get this article approved by Wikipedia team.

Thank You. Reethulingam (talk) 10:18, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Reethulingam: Please read the comments by the previous reviewers. Draft:Congruent Solutions, Inc. looks like something copy-pasted from a directory listing, and the sources do not indicate notability. Click on the links in the pink boxes to get more information on policies. -- Sam ^Sing! 11:59, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

12:06, 23 February 2015 Submission declined on 22 February 2015 by Sam Sailor

Declination of submission of article on the 'Historical Archives of the EU'

Thank you for taking care of the page and examining the draft.
Of course, we really do not understand your decision since we added so much sources as we presetnly have at dispostion. We would Of course complete them and add them any time we find something additional. We really think that our sources are independent and reliable as they come from national and important newspapers. The inauguration of our institution by the President of the Italian Repubblic is thus documentated in a reliable way. The juridical basis of our instituion is a decision by "The European Commission" that we linked to the page. Do you think that we should take the information on the Historical Archives of the EU out of the page of the European University Institute? --RArchiv (talk) 11:05, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@RArchiv: It is a common misunderstanding to think, that because something exist and is important to the person writing about it, then it should be important to the rest of the world, and Wikipedia should be used as a platform to let the world know. However, "Wikipedia articles cover notable topics—those that have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time, and are not outside the scope of Wikipedia." And while Wikipedia:Notability-criteria covers subjects, it is not applied to article content (see WP:NNC), hence no need to remove the mention of Historical Archives from European University Institute. But Historical Archives of the European Union are notable, senza dubio. Your focus should be to find reliable, secondary sources to add as references to the article. And it is not as difficult as it may sound. From a Google search using "Historical Archives" "European University Institute" I promptly found

Claire Shaw. "Library futures: European University Institute, Italy". The Guardian. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

And since the Archives are located in bella Italia and the Italian president inaugurated the institution, there's got to be common sources like Italian newspapers who have written about the Archives. Ma io sono un straniero stupido, scusate mi, non so proprio le parole che valono nel un Google ricercario ;) so I will leave it to you to dig up a few sources, vabbene? You are welcome to post the URLs here, and I will con piacere assist you in formatting them and putting them in the draft. Ci parliamo, -- Sam ^Sing! 11:59, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

-- Buongiorno Sam Sailor, grazie tante, thank you so much for the usefull hints and indications you gave us. Indeed, we found some more sources and references and comptetes the page. We had some doubts about the link *Kinzelbach, Katrin (2014). The EU's Human Rights Dialogue with China: Quiet Diplomacy and Its Limits. Routledge. ISBN 978-0-415-69846-7. Do you think it is appropriate and useful in our article? The Historical Archives of EU are cited very often in this book as a primary source so we thought it to be useful.
Could you please tell us if we have to resubmit our draft now or can you just approuve it right now? Grazie mille e tanti saluti dall'Italia
--RArchiv (talk) 07:48, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Have a read on WP:MOS. For one thing the draft needs a WP:LEAD. Grazie -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 09:46, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

13:22:28, 23 February 2015 review of submission by Sharath Rajagopalan

Sharath Rajagopalan (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Sharath Rajagopalan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Sharath Rajagopalan is a freelance photographer and Cinematographer for short films. In his native place, all people know him. He is legend in Photography. With his photography and cinematography students admired him and joined his studio to learn from him. So I request you to Accept this article or please tell me how to improve this article. Also what are the thing need to be change??

Sharath Rajagopalan (talk) 13:22, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Sharath Rajagopalan: If he is - or may I assume that you are writing about yourself: you are - a known and admired legend, then it ought to be easy to add sources to the article that support these statements. -- Sam ^Sing! 13:55, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

13:55:26, 23 February 2015 review of submission by Connikenzie

Connikenzie (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Burt Blackarach aka Amani K Smith (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Connikenzie (talk) 13:55, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want this to be refused again.

Can you bullet point what you need me to do because I don't understand?

Many thanks, Consuela

There is only one thing you need to do at this point, and that is to find sources and add them to the draft as references. Please read the remarks in the pink submission declined box and follow the hyper-links to read the relevant policies and guidelines and any tips given. -- Sam ^Sing! 14:29, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on new Vincent Massey (1926-2002) page

Hi Sam,

I am aware that another Vincent Massey page already exists, but the one I created for review is a different person. Is there a way I could distinguish them in the page names? Or how would I create a disambiguation page? This page was part of a project for one of my graduate school classes, so it would be really awesome if I was able to make this a "live" page.

Thanks, Christine UMcrc14 (talk) 14:21, 23 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by UMcrc14 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@UMcrc14: Hi Christine. VM is now in mainspace, have a look: Vincent Massey (enzymologist). There's a hatnote in both VM articles, and Vincent Massey is a dab page now. I added a couple of sources to VMe, did a little copy-editing, and cut out two sentences that to me seemed a bit too private. Let me know what you think. -- Sam ^Sing! 15:52, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sam, it looks great! Thank you so much! Christine UMcrc14 (talk) 16:59, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@UMcrc14 and Christine:, you're so welcome. What do you want to edit next? Can I suggest you join a project here on Wikipedia? Let me know, if you need anything. -- Sam ^Sing! 17:24, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My group project was also working on updating the flavin adenine dinucleotide page. We are still making finishing edits, but are hoping to get our edits transferred from my sandbox to the site within the next week. Thank for all your help. UMcrc14 (talk) 18:05, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Need Assistance.

Thank you for your encouragement. My father-in-law, former Petty Officer First Class Roland N. ("Nick") Stine, Jr. served on the USS PC-552 during the whole time it was in the war. He is 92, now. This is why this entry is important to me and I wish to get it right. One question I have is whether I may use his information, even though I don't have a secondary support source.

Having said that, I am finding the Wikipedia interface a mystery. Any help you may provide would be appreciated. For example, I wish to edit the citations, yet I have no means to open them. When I click on the blue citation numbers, nothing happens. Also, what is this about the <ref>? This is obviously not Microsoft Word.

Thank you,

Dave — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argonauthistorian6 (talk • contribs) 14:19, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. When you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:

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Thank you.

@Argonauthistorian6: Hi Dave. I am sure you can get a great article out it. Everything we write here needs to be verifiable using a published, reliable source. You can not imagine the amount of crap people try to publish here: promotional company pages copy-pasted from their websites, miserable autobiographies from wannabe musicians who released their first song on Youtube yesterday, etc. etc. Policies are meant keep the editorial flush-gates under control. Unless your father-in-law's testimony somehow was published, say as a memoir or as part of a book, you can, in principal, not use anything from him in the article. But there is a big difference between a lousy five-line autobio on a 17-year old singer-songwriter, record producer, entrepreneur and philantropist who has 107 views of his one song "released to critical acclaim on Youtube" and a decent article on a warship like the one you are starting. Did you dig up all books that might talk about the vessel? Old newspaper articles on microfilm from your library? Is there a wartime maritime museum or archive of some sorts you could dive into? In the end everything you write can be challenged and has to verifiable. Could your f-i-l's testimony be used to back up info from the published sources? Use your own good judgement. But in principle: no, his statements can not be used.

As for formatting, let me have a look and try to make a demo edit or two, maybe you'll go "aha, so that's how it's done." Like so many other things the interface and the wiki mark-up here just takes a little practise. Use the WP:TEAHOUSE and the WP:HELPDESK if you can't figure out something, always nice people there. -- Sam ^Sing! 16:28, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Now moved to Draft:USS PC-552. Have a look at what I did. It dawns on me that you should absolutely go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships, sign-up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships/Participants, and ask questions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships. There'll be editors over there who can help you much better than I with this specific article. (Not that you're not welcome, naturally!) Happy editing! -- Sam ^Sing! 17:12, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So that is what happened! I noticed the changes and I like them; I just didn't know how they happened. Thank you for doing that. I will proceed with the WikiProject Ship people and I am committed to make this article compliant and to maintain and add to it in the future. In the meantime, can you tell me how to edit a reference?

May I continue to work with you to get this article accepted?

Incidentally, I wrote this from original sources without discussing this with my father-in-law. To my positive surprise, my wife told me she had heard these stories from her father. This makes us feel very confident about what he says. Everything he has said has turned out to be proven true.

Argonauthistorian6 (talk) 17:38, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For referencing start with Help:Referencing for beginners. If it drives you nuts, just ask. Yeah, your always welcome, but the ship-specific questions are much better handled over at WT:SHIPS. Despite my nome de guerre I don't dabble much in the maritime departments here.

-- Sam ^Sing! 18:01, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I see my article was resubmitted. Did you do that or did I do that in my ignorance of how the system works. If you did that, thank you as I will continue to improve it anyway and it will be fine. If I did that, my regrets; I meant no disrespect.

Argonauthistorian6 (talk) 19:35, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Argonauthistorian6: Didn't touch it, but it's in mainspace now, so that's history. Talking about history, did you notice the tab at the top, where you can see all edits that have been done to an article? And you can compare edits and see the exact changes. -- Sam ^Sing! 11:20, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

: Retroscreen Virology Group Plc

Hi Sam, thanks for taking the time to review the Retroscreen Virology Group Plc entry - as per your message this has now been written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article and from a neutral point of view. Any peacock terms have been removed and any sections that do not refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources have also been deleted from the entry. Please let me know if this anything else you would like adding to the entry. Here is the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Retroscreen_Virology_Group_plc Kind regards "TwickenhamMan 23.02.15 16.49" — Preceding unsigned comment added by TwickenhamMan (talk • contribs) 16:48, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The usage of proper citations and references

Hi Sam, my name is Clone019 and I am a relatively new Wikipedia user or editor. Recently you reviewed an article I submitted and had it declined because it did not meet the requirements for the references showing notability. My question is, I am writing an article about a book by an author, how would I find and use references or citations for an article about a non-fiction book? I've read the book many times, and am simply creating an article about it with a synopsis and author information. I am at a complete loss as to what to do, to be honest, I don't even know how to start. Who would I reference? What would I cite? Clone019 (talk) 17:11, 23 February 2015 (UTC) Clone019[reply]

Hi Clone019. Please read the remarks in the pink submission declined box and follow the hyper-links to read the relevant policies and guidelines and any tips given. -- Sam ^Sing! 17:16, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have read the remarks and the hyperlinks concerning the relevant policies and guidelines. I still am at a loss as to what to do, I heard in chat that newspaper articles would be good sources. Is all that I need are articles that mention the book I have written about? Clone019 (talk) 17:37, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Basically yes.

Look at the citation I added. -- Sam ^Sing! 17:39, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much Sam, I appreciate all the help. I am editing the article as we speak, hoping to get it right this time. Thanks again! Clone019 (talk) 18:09, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Clone019: (Here was the right one!) Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Novels - did you have a look for inspiration? -- Sam ^Sing! 18:18, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kargan vs. Karkan

Thread retitled from "February 2015".

Hello, I'm Karkan.ir . removed some content from Kargan, Gilan insert Karkan Anzali orginal page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karkan.ir (talk • contribs) 17:27, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Karkan.ir: OK. Please help me understand what is going on. Why do you think Kargan, Gilan should instead be named Karkan Anzali? -- Sam ^Sing! 17:36, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Please see website karkan I am living in the village Karkan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karkan.ir (talk • contribs) 17:43, 23 February 2015‎

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@Karkan.ir: The website is irrelevant to my question: Why do you think Kargan, Gilan should instead be named Karkan Anzali? -- Sam ^Sing! 17:55, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am living in this village Karkan Anzali The original name of the village is Karkan Me, my father and my grandfather was born in this village have Karkan village in the town of Bandar Anzali Guilan Please see the Google Map Place village karkan anzali

That is fine, and I hope you are well there, but it is also irrelevant to my question: Why do you think Kargan, Gilan should instead be named Karkan Anzali? Please answer now. Thanks, -- Sam ^Sing! 18:23, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How do I help my village name Karkan correct? I say that Google is correct Karkan village. I live in this village. The correct name of my village is Karkan . I made my own village Page . I'm fascinated by my village . I'm going to introduce people to the village Karkan .You're people of which country? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karkan.ir (talk • contribs) 18:37, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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If I understand you correctly, it is a matter of transliteration: you want to romanize كرکان‎ to Karkan instead of Kargan. Such things we do by moving a page to the new title. We do not create a new article with another title. But the next and still unanswered question is: why do you title it Karkan Anzali? If anything it should be titled Karkan, Anzali but only if there is a need for disambiguation because there is more than one Karkan/Kargan in the province of Gilan. Could you please explain? -- Sam ^Sing! 19:26, 23 February 2015 (UTC) @Carlossuarez46:, this discussion may be relevant for you as creator of Kargan, Gilan[reply]

The Iranian source (the census report) has Kargan (كرگان‎) not Karkan (كرکان‎) - note that K & G both look and sound similarly. The Persian wikipedia has Karkan, but was originally Kargan (see [[2]]) and somewhere along the line it changed titles. If the editor has a reliable source showing that the name is indeed Karkan he or she may move it to that name; saying you live there and know what the place is now called is WP:OR. It may also be that the official name and pronunciation diverge (we don't put New York at New Yawk because some locals call it that way). If the name can be shown to be Karkan, then the article should be moved to Karkan, Gilan, as there is no other Karkan in Gilan province and disambiguating further is not justified. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:39, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying, Carlossuarez46. Can we have your comments, Karkan.ir? -- Sam ^Sing! 11:08, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gilan Karkan there is only one correct pronunciation is Karkan کرکان Im no speaking english Im speaking persian

Is there a reliable non-WP source for the name or spelling change? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:15, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vincent Massey

I've made a request for your moving of the article Vincent Massey to be undone. If you contest the restoration of the article to its original place, please say so, so that the request can get moved to the "Contested technical requests" section. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 18:40, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Answered there, I have no objections. -- Sam ^Sing! 18:49, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Ilyn Nathaniel article page denial

Im kind of new to this writing articles actually really new to this thing. This was my first one. So im really confused? What is it exactly that i need to change or add ? Ive seen several artists that have less written about them. i know his band even has a wikipedia page. So im just confused as to what it is i did wrong. Like i said im new to this so any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Sleepstonight (talk) 21:14, 23 February 2015 (UTC) sleepstonight Feb 23 2015[reply]

We are talking about Draft:Ilyn Nathaniel, a musician from the band Soulidium. Soulidium released an album in 2007, and their second album, Fly 2 the Sun was scheduled for release four years later in 2011. AFAICT it never came out and G*D knows what happened with them as a band. It is no wonder that there are only few sources on Ilyn Nathaniel available. I get 2330 Google hits. I can't find anything that would count towards notability outside of the band. -- Sam ^Sing! 22:20, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

21:20:47, 23 February 2015 review of submission by PulitzerPrize2017

PulitzerPrize2017 (talk · contribs)
- User:PulitzerPrize2017/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

PulitzerPrize2017 (talk) 21:20, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sam Sailor Yes, I am new to Wikipedia- Recent post on songwriter Yvonne Lowrene Wright has been declined. This writer's is given credit on every song that she as written with Stevie Wonder. Wright's writing is significant information to music historian's due to her association writing with Stevie Wonder. Most of the songs she has written have their own Wikipedia page. Please advise how I can correct this situation. Thank you

You can add references to the draft. Please read the remarks in the pink submission declined box and follow the hyper-links to read the relevant policies and guidelines and any tips given. -- Sam ^Sing! 22:23, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Media File Nominated for Deletion

Hi Sam Sailor, I recently uploaded an image for a wiki draft. I received the image file directly from the author (It is for a film page) with their permission. The image file is the poster art for the film. After doing so successfully, I received this email message: "The media file has been nominated for deletion." I checked out why (need to get written permission from the author via the wiki permission template). I have filled in the permission template as required. One thing. It states that the permission template must be emailed from an email address that is recognized by wikipedia. My question is: Can I email it from my account as the author is not registered with wikipedia? Thanking you in advance. nairbotanim Feb 23, 2015Nairbotanim (talk) 21:23, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh, you got me there, I have spend so little time on Commons, that I have no clue. Copy your question above. Jump over to Commons. Find the helpdesk. Post the question there. (If everything fails, you could upload a poster in a smaller resolution here on English Wikipedia under a fair use license.) Take care, -- Sam ^Sing! 22:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding autobio in Draft:David Robert Daniel

What to you need to know exactly.... You can verify some of my story with some of the people that I worked with I guess. Such as Martin Cilia... By all means contact him directly.... He played all of the guitar on my Honky-Tonk Through the Night EP and also gave my one of his own songs called 'Skating On Thin Ice' which he wrote with Dave Warner with whom he mentions having an association with on his wikipedia page. We were also trying to work on another song together called Tamworth Calling but we never finished the idea. Chris Bailey played bass guitar on the same EP but unfortunately, he has now passed away and can't verify my story.

I also won a radio contest to sing with Jon Stevens (Now lead singer of the Dead Daisies) in Perth in 2006-2007 but whether Jon Stevens is able to remember that night is something that I don't know.

Most of this stuff happened before the internet was even popular so finding out or citing information relevant to these events is near on impossible.

I can guarantee that all of this is real and my musical career is still happening with Questions? being readied for release on iTunes worldwide within the next two weeks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davedanmusic (talk • contribs) 17:24, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The burden of proving notability lies with you by adding reliable sources as references. Wikipedia strongly discourage that you write about yourself. -- Sam ^Sing! 17:38, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Stats

   [Song Plays] Song Plays 1,726
   [Video Plays] Video Plays 195
   [Total Fans] Total Fans 5,942
   [ReverbNation Fans] ReverbNation Fans 143
   [Facebook Likes] Facebook Likes 5,727
   [Twitter Followers] Twitter Followers 7
   [YouTube Subscribers] YouTube Subscribers 4
   [Mobile App Users] Mobile App Users 3
   [Widget Impressions] Widget Impressions 1,209

These are the stats on my ReverbNation page for your information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davedanmusic (talk • contribs) 17:40, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Uglum: Rewrite # 3

Hi Sam,

Thanks for reviewing my article submission on Eric Uglum. My goal is to be a good Wikipedia contributor and I feel that I'm learning more with each rewrite. I know you're aware that it's a learning process and can be overwhelming at times and is indeed a process. Having said that, I was wondering if you can perhaps direct me in my rewrite. I'm not sure I understand what steps to take. As far as I can tell I have removed the peacock terms. The other potential problem I see is that each band is in it's own split section. Is that a problem too? What am I missing?

Someone suggested that naming all of the bands he was in was a problem, but to me it's all a culmination of a career that makes him a mainstay in his genre.

If I understand what to do I'll fix it asap. I just would prefer not to labor under a misunderstanding and have to rewrite yet again.

Thanks for your time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Eric_Uglum

MzViolet84 (talk) 21:03, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Violet. Are you aware of the History tab where you can see all edits to a page? Have a look. ... I think you should drop the level 3 heading for the individual gigs; they stop the flow. Try and see if you could get a better flow by making, say, 3 level 3 headings with som year spans like (made-up) 1914-18, 1919-25, 1926-1930. Everything can be undone if you want to revert to a previous version. Does this help? -- Sam ^Sing! 21:27, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That does help!! Thank you so much. I'm going to work on it right now.

MzViolet84 (talk) 22:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I restructured the article. Let me know if you see anything else! MzViolet84 (talk) 23:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Submission declined on 22 February 2015 by Sam Sailor (talk).

Dear Sam,

If you have the time could you please look again at the Draft:A Young Man's Gash article? There are a lot more citations and references added.

Yours, York York Earwaker (talk) 00:00, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@York Earwaker: I looked at all sources (bar 1 web page that does not load and 1 Gbook that has no preview), and none provides significant coverage. I don't believe it meets WP:NALBUMS. It is unusual to create an article on a recording, when an article on the band, Gash (band), does not already exist. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 02:04, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sam, The story of Prog Rock is one off collaborations like this one. There is unlikely ever to be a article on the band Gash as the band disbanded after making this album, the only one they ever created. The album is the story of the band. Wikipedia will never have the story of Prog Rock without referencing lots of these one off productions. A similar one off would be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32yY39B1EsA Brave New World - Impressions on reading Aldous Huxley (1972) York Earwaker (talk) 23:37, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@York Earwaker: Dear York, I understand you, but you are up against the notability guidelines that have been developed by the community over the years to determine what can and what should not be included. If you follow WP:AfD over a period of time you'd be surprised to see who many song/single/album articles by more mainstream bands are being deleted or redirected because of lack of notability. Did you consider posting about the album on Progressive Rock Wiki? -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 11:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sam, Many thanks for the steer to the Prog Rock Wiki. I'll use that going forward for this type of content. York Earwaker (talk) 22:10, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Closure of Nawabpur Road AFD

Hi Sam, I'd like to query with you your closure of the AFD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nawabpur Road. There were two comments in favour of keping the article, but neither were steeped in policy; the first was "it's the busiest" and the second was essentially "it's got a lot of history". Am I missing something? AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:38, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and you were: WP:BEFORE. -- Sam ^Sing! 01:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

thank you Sam

Hi Sam- thank you so much for accepting my Edward Dugger page, my first wikipedia page. I guess now it needs to be 'de-orphaned' somehow. Also appreciated your edits and cleaning up the organization. Sorry if incorrect venue saying thx. Wasn't sure how to contact you. Thanks again! Jnewengland (talk) 03:22, 25 February 2015 (UTC)Jnewengland ps. Did I say thank you? ;-)[reply]

@Jnewengland: Good to hear from you! I have actually been thinking a couple of times to drop by on your talk page and say thank you. And here is why: you can not imagine how much utter crap one has to read at Articles for Creation: musician wannabes, youtube vloggers, promotional company "articles" copied directly from their About page. But then, from time to time, there are decent submissions, and among them are the rare shining stars. Edward Dugger, to me, was one such. Not only did you do a good job, but his bio is interesting reading. So it is I, who thank you. In return I fixed the orphanage situation, have a look.

Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 03:43, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, I'm working on my first article, and I've been looking through Sam's Talk page trying to learn how to do things correctly. I went to Edward Dugger to see a good example. I concur, it's a nice editing job and I really enjoyed learning about him. User:RobSVA User talk:RobSVA — Preceding undated comment added 18:50, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

04:01:46, 25 February 2015 review of submission by Yogthos

Yogthos (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Selmer (template engine) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Sam,

Could you please elaborate as to what other references that need to be provided. Selmer is a templating engine for Clojure, similar templating engines such as Jinja https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinja_(template_engine) and Twig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twig_(template_engine) have been approved.

Jinja only has a single reference that happens to be its website, yet I provided multiple references for Selmer and that is deemed insufficient.

Selmer currently has over 25 thousand downloads https://clojars.org/selmer and is one of the more popular templating engines for Clojure. I'm not sure I understand what specifically you're looking for in terms of notability and what makes it less notable than engines such as Jinja and Twig.

Regards, Dmitri

Yogthos (talk) 04:01, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dimitri. As you can see, Jinja (template engine) has been tagged since 2013 as unreferenced. Would you like to add refs? It is not a valid argument to say that because some other article is insufficient, another one should be allowed to be as well, is it. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST. If Selmer is popular, there's got to be somebody who has written about it. Has it been mentioned in any books? Best, -- Sam ^Sing! 04:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sam. Selmer has three books referencing it currently, both of which are available on Amazon and other major retailers.

Clojure Cookbook http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920029786.do

Web Development with Clojure http://www.amazon.com/Web-Development-Clojure-Build-Bulletproof/sim/1937785645/2

Clojure Web Development Essentials http://www.amazon.com/Clojure-Development-Essentials-Ryan-Baldwin/dp/1784392227

Would you agree that this counts as sufficient notability?

Regards, Dmitri — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yogthos (talk • contribs) 21:22, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Message from Operosa

Hello,

I'm writing you concerning one article in Wikipedia that has been declined couple of times. I'm a fan of the opera, leaving in Bulgaria and I've visited many events that Operosa has organized in the Balkan area. I asked them why don't the create a page in Wikipedia and they send me the link with the page they are trying to create but has been declined several times. I offered to help. I have lot's of spear time but I'm not very familiar how exactly to make a Wikipedia page. So I've decided to ask you for help if you have time to explain and give your suggestions.

yesterday while I was editing I received that : Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "Operosa", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it appears to represent an organization rather than an individual. Please read WP:CORPNAME. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username, or you may simply create a new account for editing. Thank you. --David Biddulph (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I made a new user name, but actually the name that should be for the article is Operosa which is a company.

So I'm very confused and I would need some help, please.

Thank you in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Operosa (talk • contribs) 14:15, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Operosa: Choosing the user name Operosa and creating Draft:Operosa will to most imply shared use, which is why David Biddulph send you a message on your talk page, and you need to reply. I notice that User:Operosa Opera Festival was created a few days ago. So that is not you? I am asking because you created your account in 2013, created Draft:Operosa on 15 April 2014, and now User:Operosa Opera Festival created a sandbox which I moved to Draft:Operosa Opera Festival. But this does not match that you say that "they send me the link with the page they are trying to create". In regards to the drafts I think the way forward is to keep working on the oldest, that is Draft:Operosa. Draft:Operosa Opera Festival is almost identical, anyway. What the final article title should be can be decided later. And you should blank your userpage per WP:FAKEARTICLE. I hope this helps. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 01:37, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Minor barnstar
	Sam, thanks for your feedback! Hopefully, my edits today will enable my page to be created. Jdmassist (talk) 18:08, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

18:39:01, 25 February 2015 review of submission by BluePlate55

BluePlate55 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Digital Folklore Project (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello! I'm hoping to get some more specific feedback on how to make the Digital Folklore Project page acceptable for creation. It's a project run from a land grant, Research 1 institution (Utah State University), and it involves scholars from all over the US (including the Library of Congress). While we've only had one year of announcing the #DigitalTrendOfTheYear so far, we're already at work on the second year, and we'd like to get an official Wikipedia page up and running so that it can grow with the project. Our initial round of press releases got us some nice national media attention, especially with our runner up of #NotYourMascot (which has its own Wikipedia page). I've added in more citations, but I'm new to the WP thing and I'm not sure what additional information will help. Thanks!

BluePlate55 (talk) 18:39, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Tower Block Rock"

Hello there! I'm not upset about the rejection, but maybe you could help with just one thing. Is http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/rockerilla.htm reliable at all? This is probably the only other thing I can find in regards to this song. If not, oh well. Some places like the BBC simply did a poor job at maintaining their archives from the past, so it's not your fault. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.15.69.36 (talk) 19:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@73.15.69.36: I don't believe it meets WP:NALBUMS. Well, it does not meet WP:NALBUMS. It is unusual to create an article on a recording, when an article on the band does not already exist. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 02:13, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

21:35:57, 25 February 2015 review of submission by Lundianer

Lundianer (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Martin Scholten (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, the artist described in the draft has an upcoming exhibit in an art society in Northern Germany (reference added) I would think this alone as well as the fact that he has been awarded an art prize from the city of Hamburg establish notability. Also, an article about him has been published on the German Wikipedia, and the English one leans heavily on the German one. Thanks for reconsidering the review, and best regards, JensLundianer (talk) 21:35, 25 February 2015 (UTC) Lundianer (talk) 21:35, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Ramakrishna Mayya (talk · contribs)
- Draft:List of Kannada Songs sung by Sonu Nigam (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Ramakrishna Mayya (talk) 17:27, 26 February 2015 (UTC) Thank for your comment Sam. I created the page to get the experience of creating a new wiki page. As per your suggestion, I have included this list in the 'Sonu Nigam Discography'. Thank you.[reply]

Request for your advice / assistance_User: 95.67.102.245 / User:Tanechka72

Dear Sam,

Thanks a lot for acceptance of my submission of the article Tigran Maytesian that I have created as an unregistered User 95.67.102.245 (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:95.67.102.245). By that time I had no registered account and my ip address was used to identify me as a contributor to Wikipedia. Now I have registered my account in Wikipedia under the Tanechka 72 User name to make it possible to further contribute to Wikipedia and improve the article.

To improve the article I need to upload an image of the person (Tigran Maytesian) which is a copyrighted image for which I have permission (Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license and the GNU Free Documentation License, OTRS ticket number 2015020610023567). To upload this file (copyrighted image) to Wikipedia my account needs to become confirmed automatically. In the Wikipedia: File Upload Wizard (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard&?withJS=MediaWiki:FileUploadWizard.js) it goes that "your account will become confirmed automatically once you have made 10 edits and four days have passed since you created it".

I have already made a lot (over 10) of edits regarding my contributed article as a User:95.67.102.245 and by now I need to add an image, no other 10 edits are envisaged so far. My request for manual confirmation of my account Tanechka72 was declined by the Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Confirmed administrator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Confirmed#Confirmation_of_registration_for_account_Tanechka72). He/she also neglected my inquiry for his/her advice how to merge my contributions and activities as a User 95.67.102.245 with my new account Tanechka 72. So now I have no opportunity to proceed with uploading the image to improve the article.

Please, let me know how to merge my contributions and activities as a User 95.67.102.245 with my new account Tanechka 72, to have my track record in my contribution list with the history of edits, so I could proceed with uploading images to the article using the Upload Wizard.

Thank you in advance for your assistance and support.

Best wishes, Tanechka72 (talk) 18:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Tanechka72: But as far as I can tell you should upload that image to Commons. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 18:41, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Clint Maedgen Submission

Hello, My name is Michael, I work for a management company that represents The New Orleans Bingo Show, and Clint Maedgen, the bandleader of that band and of The Preservation Jazz Band. My submission for Clint Maedgen was rejected, could you provide a bit more feedback? The facts can all be sourced.

Thanks

MBM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themannamedbones (talk • contribs) 23:02, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. When you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:

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@Themannamedbones: Draft:Clint Maedgen has been speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement of http://www.kennedy-center.org/explorer/artists/?entity_id=82264&source_type=B -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 06:48, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 00:58:35, 27 February 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Robin shans

Robin shans (talk · contribs)
- User:Robin shans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I made some corrections to my article but i'm not seeing where to resubmit. Please help. Robin shans (talk) 00:58, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Robin, you have been drafting on your own user page. No worries. I copied that to Draft:Börje Holmberg and made minor changes to layout, have a look. I will courtesy-blank your user page for you. Let me know if you need anything. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 07:03, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

01:04:15, 27 February 2015 review of submission by Michael.C.Wright

Michael.C.Wright (talk · contribs)
- Draft:S795 coffee (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Sam,

Thank you for reviewing my article Draft:S795 coffee. Can you tell me which statements need stronger references?

I have clarified one statement in the article to make it more clear that there is speculation on the exact origin of S-795. The most important aspect of S-795, however, is it's resistance to the rust disease, which is well known and documented (and hopefully reflected in my references). The unfortunate fact is that there isn't a lot of readily accessible information on this variety (as is the case with many coffee breeds) but this article's existence can act as a starting point for that. People who know more can obviously add their knowledge to the article without having to know how to start a new article from scratch (of which I now understand the difficulty).

I work directly with coffee farmers in Indonesia who grow this breed and even they don't have a lot of information on it.

Thanks again for your help and patience (as this is obviously my first wiki article).

Michael.C.Wright (talk) 01:04, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Michael.C.Wright: Hi Michael, and welcome. It's a common misconception that Wikipedia can be used to "spread the word" about things where there isn't a lot of readily accessible information. That's a problem when it comes to articles on companies, wannabe bands, products, etc. In all honesty it's probably less of a problem if any problem at all when it comes to a relative obscurity as a coffee strain. But the first question in my head is: is this notable for a standalone article or wouldn't it be better as part of Coffea arabica where we have a section called /Strains/? I could be wrong, so I've asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink for comments on your draft. Wouldn't you like to be part of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink? Looking at your blog http://blog.oilslickcoffee.com/ which hopefully is licensed under Creative Commons, you're a wealth of coffee information. Let me know if you need anything. A mug of java?

-- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 07:35, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Sam Sailor:, all good info. I took a look at the project group and joined it. This will help me get my wiki-feet under me, so to speak. ;)

Regarding S-795 being notable enough for its own page; I'd say yes, if not for the fact that it is one of the first rust-resistant lines, then because it is widely planted in Indonesia and is one of their higher-quality breeds. These are things I know anecdotally and have read on other sites as well, but will need to dig further for credible references before I add that to the page.

Coincidentally, one of the action items in the project group is to clean up the List of coffee varieties page. It was that page that made me assume the goal was to have a page for each variety.

Looking at the /Strains/ section of Coffea arabica (which itself needs work, it looks like), I don't see how it will be useful to talk about all of the varieties/strains there. When you look at the List of coffee varieties, you can see it's a large list and will possibly make Coffea arabica unwieldy. But I could be wrong and would definitely benefit from working with someone who has a clear vision of what that page should look like.

Thanks again for the help and for your patience and hand-holding! I'm excited to be a part of the project!

Michael.C.Wright (talk) 08:45, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

YHWH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS ARTICLE

Sam the article that I submitted was not a duplicate. I wrote an article that was rejected because it was thought to not have enough original material, so I wrote another article and submitted it for review. The article that you referenced was not a duplicate, it was the original draft which was not under review. Please review the article submitted so that the correct edits and changes can be made.

Best Yisrael — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshyhwh (talk • contribs) 01:47, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The draft, User:Yoshyhwh/YHWH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS gives the impression of a Wikipedia:Coatrack. Please read Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 10:36, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Joseph Tabbi

Dear Sam, Thanks for reviewing my Joseph Tabbi submission. I supplied inline references for quotations etc., but most of the information came from Tabbi's professional CV, which he shared with me. I don't know how to reference that, or what particular sentences you felt needed to be footnoted. Steven Moore 27 Feb. 2015 4:57 AM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smoore3 (talk • contribs) 09:58, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Smoore3: Steven, then we potentially have a problem because articles should be based on reliable, secondary sources foremost. Please follow and read the links in the pink box in the draft to get some guidance. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 10:10, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

10:15:53, 27 February 2015 review of submission by Vaibhav1446

Vaibhav1446 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Printvenue (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

My article was rejected on the following grounds: "This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms, that are designed to promote or show-off the subject." I wrote the article with an unbiased view projecting only the facts and information about a certain organization with the help of reliable sources, most of which are different journalism channels. I would like if you will re-review the article from the neutral point of view as well, but I will feel wonderful if you can tell me which of my sources are unreliable or where my tone is not formal, especially where the peacock terms are used. This is my first article, it may have some faults but it would be wonderful if you can be specific about where and what is wrong with the article. Vaibhav1446 (talk) 10:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC) Vaibhav1446 (talk) 10:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Vaibhav1446: "world’s leading" ... "Printvenue combines top academic and business talents with industry experts" ... "Printvenue.com is the leading professional company in this sector." Drop it. Otherwise it both has to be sourced and attributed. ... Drop the the /Products/ section in its entirety. Wikipedia is not a venue where trivial products should be listed, and these are indeed trivial. ... Prose the /Rewards and recognition/ section. Does this help? -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 10:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

Hello Sam, Thank you for reviewing my concept for a Wikipedia article. I suggest as article title: "Cyanocobalamin - The Origin of Diseases" Wimbartx (talk) 10:33, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a WP:POVTITLE to me, but as you wish. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 10:36, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you can accept the title, since it really corresponds quite well to the description given in the article. Wimbartx (talk) 10:44, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the sandbox to the title suggested and left a note on WT:MED asking for comments. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 10:47, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In view of WP:POVTITLE and a more neutral point of view, I propose another more appropriate title for my Draft.
Will you please change the title in: "Cyanocobalamin - Vitamin B12 deficiency".
I have also improved the text and have done wikification of the References as proposed by Doc James in WT:MED. All bar urls have been removed now and only references valid for Wikipedia are given in the right format. Wimbartx (talk) 06:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wimbartx, I believe you have sufficient user rights now to perform a move to another title yourself. If not, drop me a line and I will do it. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 13:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Sam for the info. I succeeded to move the Draft so that it has now the new Title. Everything is fine now. Wimbartx (talk) 14:15, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You needed in IRC.

Come to #wikipedia=en-help fast we have some questions Bobherry Userspace Talk to me! Stuff I have done 15:11, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would like some advice on editing the article 'CHI Limited'

Hi Sam,

I am new here and I have read a lot about creating articles on this platform. However, I would like to know what I can do to make the article 'CHI Limited' that was declined by you much better. I am currently editing and I have included the company products' competitors, in addition to references to newspapers etc. Could it be that listing the brands or the page title made it look like an advertisement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teepro (talk • contribs) 16:49, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you.

@Teepro: Spot on. Mentioning products or services in business related articles are naturally not prohibited, but inclusion of long, bulleted lists of products/services in the body as well as featuring them in the WP:LEAD easily leaves an impression of WP:PROMOTION. Notice that our notability guideline for organizations and companies expressly states that "If the products and services are not notable enough for their own article, the discussion of them should be trimmed and summarized into a shorter format, or even cut entirely." For inspiration on writing better articles about companies and organizations read Wikipedia:WikiProject Companies/Guidelines. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 13:49, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sedona Sky Academy - Copper Canyon Academy

Hello Sam Sailor, I am Msampson10, and I made significant changes to the Sedona Sky Academy wiki page. As you can tell, I am new to this. However, as their marketing manager, and in close communication with owners Tammy Behrmann, Darren Prince, and John Gordon of Family Help & Wellness, I was asked to set the record straight. I accept that I probably didn't follow wiki protocol to a tee, but I provided reliable sources to the facts and dates. In a nutshell, there's controversy surrounding now closed Copper Canyon Academy, and this same controversy attached itself to Sedona Sky Academy (despite new owners, new staff, and new program philosophy). Our mission is to clarify the differences and separation of the two facilities. So my question to you is, can you (or I) delete the old Copper Canyon Academy wiki page vs. just redirecting it to the Sedona Sky wiki page? Obviously we are desiring less affiliation with CCA, and the redirect keeps CCA and SSA connected. Thanks for your time. Msampson10 Msampson10 (talk) 16:57, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Msampson10. I assume you turn to me because I reverted the blanking of the redirect from Copper Canyon Academy to Sedona Sky Academy. Thank you for being upfront with where you come from and what your goal is, hats off for that. It's a conflict of interest but I hope it can be dealt with gracefully; please give Wikipedia:Best practices for editors with close associations a read.

To answer your question: the redirect Copper Canyon Academy would only be deleted after a discussion.

I've had a short read on Sedona Sky Academy and its editing history, and a very short search for reliable sources regarding the negative claims made about the institution under it's old name, Copper Canyon Academy. I think the best thing to do now is to get other editors involved in this matter. To accomplish that I will repost you message above on Talk:Sedona Sky Academy, and send a notice to users who have edited the article. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 10:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sam, thanks for involving me. While I understand that something has changed, I do have COI concerns and it seems that some continuity was maintained between the institutions. I put a longer explanation on the article's talk page. Raymie (t • c) 16:30, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Raymie, I understand and share your concerns. I have added {{Talk header}}, {{COI editnotice}}, and {{Connected contributor}} to the article talk page. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 10:58, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Sam Sailor and Raymie for your willingness to look at this issue. Obviously, I was unaware of the COI Best Practices when I edited SSA wiki page. I'm sorry for that.. However, as you can see, I avoided any "sales-speak" or embelishments and stuck to the facts with good citations. Hopefully, you will all take this into consideration. I intentionally left out slanderous, but factual comments regarding how Copper Canyon Academy was run to the ground under the ownership of Aspen/CRC Health. In the same way that they ran Island View Residential Treatment Center into the ground (reputation repair that is next on the docket for Family Help & Wellness). Sedona Sky Academy has diff ownership, diff mgmt, diff names, diff programming, mostly diff staff. One would find similarities in programming if you went down the street to another TBS or RTC. This, as you would agree, doesn't mean Spring Ridge Academy = Sedona Sky Academy any more than Copper Canyon = Sedona Sky or Copper Canyon = Spring Ridge. In the end, SSA owners would like a separation from Copper Canyon. The Sedona Sky Academy knowledge graph has been a nightmare as of late (KG image last week had a mugshot of a CCA staff member from years ago, that we labored to get removed). And these KG issues began about the same time that the CCA wiki page was redirected to the Sedona Sky Academy wiki page. Thanks for your consideration. Msampson10 (talk) 16:21, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, regarding the Conflict of Interest, you should know that I am not an employee of either Tammy Behrmann, Darren Prince, or Family Help & Wellness. Neither have I received "financial compensation" for the wiki edits. All three mentioned above have hired Zyndio Online Marketing for their SEO. I work for Zyndio as a 1099 contractor. If this helps the COI issue.. Thanks Msampson10 (talk) 17:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

New, but trying...

Sam: I have rewritten my contribution titled DIP System. I have taken out any commercialization. As this is a unique product, descriptions are correct. As to verification, there are over 1,100 of these systems in use in France alone. It can solve major issues here, in the United States as well as other parts of the world needing to move waste water. Thank you. Regards, Jonm4643 (talk) 17:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonm4643: Draft:DIP System was speedy deleted as G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion. You are of course welcome to rewrite it. Maybe Wikipedia:Your first article can serve as inspiration? -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 14:01, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

19:16:04, 27 February 2015 review of submission by Trancemaester

Trancemaester (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Assurant Solutions (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

What exactly makes this sound like an advertisement? All information is cited objectively through authoritative sources. The products listed are what's listed on their website. Trancemaester (talk) 19:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Trancemaester: That's very precisely what they are: listed on their website. And Wikipedia is not a mirror of such info. Mentioning products or services in business related articles are naturally not prohibited, but inclusion of long, bulleted lists of products/services in the body, which often reads as both boring and trivial, as well as featuring them in the WP:LEAD, and here done instead of neutrally describing the subject, easily leaves an impression of WP:PROMOTION. Notice that our notability guideline for organizations and companies expressly states that "If the products and services are not notable enough for their own article, the discussion of them should be trimmed and summarized into a shorter format, or even cut entirely." For inspiration on writing better articles about companies and organizations read Wikipedia:WikiProject Companies/Guidelines. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 13:54, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 19:20:58, 27 February 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by DRnlhodges

DRnlhodges (talk · contribs)
- User:DRnlhodges (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Sam! Thank you for the quick review. In response to your suggestions:

1. You recommended I remove ALL the publications from the 'references' section because there is a representative publications section. However, not ALL of the publications in the references section are in the representative publications section. Suggestions?

2. You wanted secondary sources. I've included two. One is a published interview with Dr. Bochner written by another prominent Communication Scholar. The other is Dr. Bochner's profile on Left Coast Press, the book publishing company which has published several of his books and book series. How do you suggest I include them? Also, he is written about and cited extensively in the 'autoethnography' Wikipedia page which I've linked on the page.

Holman Jones, S. (2004). Building connections in qualitative research: Carolyn Ellis and Art Bochner in conversation with Stacy Holman Jones. 5,3: 28. http://www.qualitative-research.net/index.php/fqs/article/view/552/1194.

http://www.lcoastpress.com/books_author.php?id=42

Thank you!

nathan

DRnlhodges (talk) 19:20, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@DRnlhodges: Nathan, it's in mainspace now. Thanks! -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 02:08, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References February 27, 2015

Hello Sam,

You recently edited my article (on an intellectual property boutique in Ottawa: Jensen & Company) and refused it on account of the references. I placed two independent references, in addition to the company website, in the article. As I am told that this is the minimum, what exactly was the problem? There aren't many other references online and I don't expect the article to be much longer than it is right now. What can I do to help it pass through?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heid Jense (talk • contribs) 20:30, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Heid Jense: Hi Heid, one of the two non-primary sources is a directory listing at Ottawa Chamber of Commerce, the other is an even shorter listing at Canadian Intellectual Property Office. None of them are significant. Please follow and read the links in the pink box in the draft to get some guidance. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 02:30, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Sam,

The reason why I chose those listings as references was to support the claims in the text. As the actions of the company can only be legally carried out by a company/agent that is listed in these bodies, the listings therefore support the claims I found on the website. 14:40 EST, March 2, 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heid Jense (talk • contribs) 19:36, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Christ myth theory

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User:Tbt chairman

I saw your report at WP:UAA which rang a bell. The user looks like a sock of User:Mah.shamim who has also used the account User:Tbt it. I've made a note on your report as well as raising an SPI. Thought I should let you know just in case there's anything you'd like to add to the case. Regards, Bazj (talk) 11:16, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, thanks Bazj. Best, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 11:20, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim Smart (healthcare administrator)

Hi Sam, could you please reopen this AfD? I am finding that sock puppetry was involved in the voting (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mirrortoamermaid), and after you reopen it, I intend to alter some of the votes based on that finding. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:42, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23: It's reopened. Looking forward to see the outcome. Ought I have noticed myself and stayed away from NACing it? -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 10:18, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Sam. I'm not sure I expect the outcome to be different, but obviously the closer has to ignore the vote by one IP and the comment by the other. I don't think you could have been expected to notice the problem. Of course, it's always suspicious when IPs or new accounts come out of the woodwork and vote at AfD, but the most telling thing here was that one of the IPs altered the formatting of the master's vote, but I doubt that closers look at the AfD history unless they have good reason to do so.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:35, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

22:31:04, 1 March 2015 review of submission by Nestor-bogdan

Nestor-bogdan (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Anatoly Kondratenko (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

What would be considered valid references? Do you mean that you require English-language references?

Nestor-bogdan (talk) 22:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Nestor-bogdan: Hi Nestor, no, they don't have to be English, WP:NONENG. If you just stick in say three URLs in ref tags and leave me a message here, I will run Reflinks on the draft and publish it. If any of this is Greek to you, just let me know. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 22:37, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Sam

Here is a link that talks about his involvement in Rukh and its forerunner Prosvita, and the fact that he is the head editor of Zhuravlik : http://referatu.net.ua/referats/7569/175243/?page=1

Here is a link written on the occasion of his 75th birthday that talks about his scientific and academic achievements: http://www-nuclear.univer.kharkov.ua/russ/p10_4_92.htm

Here is a link that confirms his presence in the Rukh splinter party DPU, from when he ran for elections in 1998: http://www.cvk.gov.ua/pls/vd2002/WEBPROC3V?kodvib=1&kodkand=2027 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nestor-bogdan (talk • contribs) 02:34, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 07:19:14, 2 March 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Cameron Cunningham

Cameron Cunningham (talk · contribs)
- User:Cameron Cunningham (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi,

You recently rejected an article called skin to skin contact becaue you needed me to add a lead and correct some abbreviations. I did so and resubmitted but now its been rejected again stating that the article alredy exists as Kangaroo Care. The two terms are very different as I discuss in the new lead. Please can you help to approve it.

Thanks Cam

Cameron Cunningham (talk) 07:19, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Cameron Cunningham: Cam, I understand you say there is a difference, and my starting point is that I want to believe this to be true, but to verify that we need the ful citations, not the short ones. If you need help with this, drop me a line. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 08:24, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 09:14:47, 2 March 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Mahi kapoor

Mahi kapoor (talk · contribs)
- User:Mahi kapoor (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Kindly guide me on the article - Bodhtree submitted for the approval which has declined saying This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia.

Mahi kapoor (talk) 09:14, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Mahi kapoor: Sounds like something copied off the company's about page. What would it sound like if you only used secondary sources and wrote in your own words? For inspiration on writing better articles about companies and organizations read Wikipedia:WikiProject Companies/Guidelines. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 09:20, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

^Talk! Hi Sam have incorporated the changes as per the guidelines. Kindly guide me.Mahi kapoor (talk) 10:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

11:20:21, 2 March 2015 review of submission by Cacovell

Cacovell (talk · contribs)
- User:Cacovell/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

My entry was rejected because of not having "context". I sent an email to the editor, Tony Sailor, and the email has been returned. I am not sure how to proceed.

Cacovell (talk) 11:20, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Cacovell: The draft in your sandbox according to your edit summary is "based on my personal experience. Freeman is my great great grandfather and we recently visited his grave site in Alicante". It appears at best to be the very last part of what could be a biographical article. It does however needs to be sourced. So unless somebody wrote about your grandfather, it will be difficult to meet the requirements here. Please read WP:NOTMEMORIAL. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 11:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cacovell, the person you are writing about is Edward Augustus Freeman, who already has an article. If you wish to add a section on his death and burial to that article, simply do so. However, I strongly suggest adding a reference for the paragraph about his death and burial prior to the grave inscription. The Articles for Creation/Draft submission process is solely for creating completely new articles. Hope that helps. Voceditenore (talk) 13:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Voceditenore: Orz...^Ref -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 13:21, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A trout

You forgot to remove the AfD template. --Fauzan ^{✆ talk}_{✉ mail} 12:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Fauzan: Closures are done by script, and I have not seen this situation before. In this case TW first created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Malaun and then tagged Malaun which may be the reason. I have reported the scenario. Thanks for staying alert and cleaning up. Best, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 12:33, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Entry for E. A. Freeman

Thank you for your message. Actually it was my intention to add my entry under Biography for E. A. Freeman, and not to create a new article. But I guess I selected the wrong procedure. I think I can find a source for the inscription on his graveCacovell (talk) 13:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

RE: review of submission by Nestor-bogdan

First of all, sorry for writing this in multiple spaces. I wrote this in two other places before I figured out where it's supposed to be written (Wikipedia talk interface is a tad confusing). Original message follows:

Hello, Sam

Here is a link that talks about his involvement in Rukh and its forerunner Prosvita, and the fact that he is the head editor of Zhuravlik : http://referatu.net.ua/referats/7569/175243/?page=1

Here is a link written on the occasion of his 75th birthday that talks about his scientific and academic achievements: http://www-nuclear.univer.kharkov.ua/russ/p10_4_92.htm

Here is a link that confirms his presence in the Rukh splinter party DPU, from when he ran for elections in 1998: http://www.cvk.gov.ua/pls/vd2002/WEBPROC3V?kodvib=1&kodkand=2027 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nestor-bogdan (talk • contribs) 02:37, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

11:44:37, 3 March 2015 review of submission by Stufe

Stufe (talk · contribs)
- Draft:OptiWind (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi,

I am new to Wikipedia and trying to create a page for a European funded project. One of the 'deliverables' on the project is to create this Wikipedia page.

I see the page has been rejected as I have not included enough references to make the project notable enough.

There is a website for the project www.opti-wind.eu which explains the project and it's funding from the EU. Would including this reference be enough for the page to be accepted? If not could you provide some feedback on what else I need to do to the page so that it is accepted?

Your help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks

Stuart

Stufe (talk) 11:44, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It would not be enough with the project website. Please follow and read the links in the pink box in the draft to get some guidance. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 18:30, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image File:Robert Awards statuette logo.png

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New article submission 3D SLASH (3d odeling software)

Hello Sam

I deeply thank you for your advices on my article about 3D Slash. In order to correct it, I added references within the article. I'm not sure about adding them twice at the end of my article. I did not found the "3" button to informed that i've checked my internet updates Then i'm asking : do you think it will fit ? another question : should i register on the French wikipedia portal to get this article in French as well ? Thanks again for your encouragments & great support you can reach me on my talk page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MagaliStLaurent or by email saintaurent.magali@gmail.com have a nice day magali

MagaliStLaurent (talk) 14:28, 5 March 2015 (UTC)MagaliStLaurentMagaliStLaurent (talk) 14:28, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Magali. We use Wikipedia:Unified login, so you can just start editing on :fr:w or any other project. I removed the duping refs, and ran reFill on the draft. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 14:38, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Thorngren Submission: denied

Hi Sam. I'm confused by your rejection of Eric Thorngren's page. He's already referenced over 50 times on Wikipedia^[1] for his work as a recording engineer and producer. And he's referenced over 400 times on discogs ^[2]. I'm happy to reference the Discogs work, although another editor rejected discogs as being unreliable(???) Any suggestions? Thanks! Woodchucksh3166 (talk) 15:58, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Doshi page

I removed the redirect on the page Tom Doshi with the intention to update it with its own info. Unfortunately i didn't have time in that specific moment. Tom Doshi has gained some great public attention in Albania lately. You reverted my edit because the page was blank... So, I suppose it is OK if I add some info to Tom Doshi and remove the redirect?--Mr. Pseudo (talk) 16:49, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Pseudo, yeah, absolutely. If you had given an edit summary, I would not have reverted per WP:BLANK. Best, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 20:42, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Message from Michaelmayer555

Hi Sam.

You have rejected my submission for 'Martin Ross' the actor on 26th Feb. I am new to this and would like to submit more actors from the UK moving forward. Having read the Sandbox instructions etc am not entirely sure what is meant by 'secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject.' Hoping you are able to enlighten me so as I can get started and my first entry on. Kind regards. Michael. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelmayer555 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Judging from Ross' IMDb entry, this is not the most obvious subject to start with if you want to write stubs on British actors: his career is short and the productions are not especially notable. So it might be a case of WP:TOOSOON but it all depends on what kind of sources you can find on Ross. Those added now does not fulfil neither WP:NACTOR nor WP:BASIC. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 20:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

17:57:17, 5 March 2015 review of submission by Jeannef802

Jeannef802 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:SmileCareClub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Sam,

First, thank you for the feedback and detailed explanation about why our first submission was rejected. We are learning. We have followed your guidelines and re-written the page more objectively (hopefully) focusing on eliminating the "advertorial" elements by including citations and information from very objective media pieces on the industry. I've pasted the draft of the edited submission below and would very much appreciate your feedback on whether this is ready for submission, and if not, what we might do to increase the chances of it being accepted. Again- this is a learning process and we want to do what's necessary to make it fit Wikipedia's guidelines.

Extended COI blurb

SmileCareClub, Nashville, TN, a teledentistry^[3] company, is bringing Template:Telehealth^[4] to the dental and orthodontic industries. The company provides orthodontic teeth straightening for patients with mild to moderate Template:Malocclusion using a series of clear plastic aligners to gradually adjust teeth. The virtual procedure, done by the patient at home at a lower cost, is overseen by an affiliated dental professional (licensed in the patient’s state).^[5] The treatment is appropriate for patients age 15 and over and not recommended for severe orthodontic issues.^[6] SmileCareClub rebrands and repackages the FDA-approved invisible aligners.^[7]

As the dental and orthodontic professions adapt to improved connectivity and increased insurance coverage for remote treatments, new and disruptive delivery methods have emerged.^[8] Many professionals have resisted the change, but more complicated cases are referred to participating professionals.^[9] Support from the professional and academic dental community is developing with certain caveats. They appreciate that telehealth technology has leveraged access and is expanding care to people who could not afford orthodontics and support companies that are setting the proper protocol and providing teledentistry treatment only to patients over 15 years of age with simple to moderate tooth movement needed.^[10] The telehealth industry increased 400% in 2012 (one in six visits were virtual in 2014) in the U.S.^[11]

There has been opposition from dentists, orthodontists and professional boards.^[12] Some professionals feel that patients who don’t go for regular check-ups are more likely to experience complications.^[13] In the absence of dental visits, unseen problems may go undiagnosed, affecting oral and overall health.^[14] Regulations and insurance reimbursements vary by state in the U.S.^[15] Telemedicine is affordable and convenient for the patient and expands access to care to diverse economic and geographic communities.^[16] Each year American consumers spend $100 billion on their teeth. The increasing choice of teledentistry for the patient population is creating a change in the orthodontic profession.^[17]

References

^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=eric+thorngren&go=Go
^ http://www.discogs.com/artist/465792-Eric-Thorngren
^ Jampani, Nutalapati (June 29, 2012). "Applications of Teledentistry: A literature review and update". Journal of Int. Soc. of Preventive & Community Dentistry. 1 (2): 37 - 44. {{cite journal}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)
^ Smith, Ernie. [www.associationsnow.com "Don't Try This At Home: Orthodontists Warn Against Home Remedies"]. Associations Now. Retrieved 5 March 2015. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)
^ Smith, Ernie. [www.associationsnow.com "Don't Try This at Home: Orthodontists Warn Against Home Remedies"]. Associations Now. Retrieved 5 March 2015. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)
^ "Meet SmileCareClub". The Progressive Orthodontist. Q1 2015: 33. {{cite journal}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)
^ "FDA". FDA.gov. FDA. {{cite web}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); Missing or empty |url= (help)
^ Kennedy, Eleanor. [www.bizjournals.com "Telemedicine: Where it works best"]. Nashville Business Journal. Retrieved 5 March 2015. {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
^ "Meet SmileCareClub". The Progressive Orthodontist. Q1 2015: 33. {{cite journal}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)
^ Levine DMD, Jonathan (Feb. 6, 2015). "Do It Yourself Orthodonture". Fox5 News WNYW. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
^ "eVisits: the 21st century housecall". Deloitte. 2014. {{cite journal}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)
^ "Meet SmileCareClub". The Progressive Orthodontis. Q1 2015: 33. {{cite journal}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)
^ Smith, Ernie. [www.associationsnow.com "Don't Try This at HOme: Orthodontists Warn Against Home Remedies"]. Associations Now. Retrieved 5 March 2015. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)
^ "eVisits: the 21st century housecall". Deloitte. 2014. {{cite journal}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)
^ Saint Louis, Catherine (Feb. 1, 2015). "Straighter Teeth by Mail". New York Times. Well Blog New York Times. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
^ Strong, Bernadette (Feb. 4, 2015). [www.youthhealthmag.com "Do-It-Yourself Tooth Straightening? No. Mail Order Orthodontics? Maybe"]. Youth Health Magazine. Retrieved 5 March 2015. {{cite journal}}: Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
^ Jones, Sheinelle (Feb. 26, 2015). "Bracing for Change". The Today Show, Money. NBC News. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)

Thanks for your time and advice in helping us get this done.

Best regards, JeanneJeannef802 (talk) 17:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jeannef802 (talk) 17:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a classical example of how difficult it is for some or most people to write objectively in an area where they have a WP:COI. And what's with the content forking? Advice: write about something else than your company. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 20:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Request on 00:00:03, 6 March 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Vega el mas Buscado(Rapper)

Vega el mas Buscado(Rapper) (talk · contribs)
- User:Vega el mas Buscado(Rapper) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi I have being trying to figure out this article editing for Vega el mas Buscado(Rapper) Wikipedia page and I am having a hard time doing it. Is there a way to have someone do it for me? I truly don't know how to manage the requirements to successfully finish editing this page and officially publish it. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you --Vega el mas Buscado(Rapper) 00:00, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Vega el mas Buscado(Rapper) 00:00, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

You should keep on doing what I hope makes you happy: making music. If in the future secondary sources support your notability, somebody will write an article about you, but you should not do it yourself. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 08:31, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

14:12:53, 6 March 2015 review of submission by Dredmorbius

Dredmorbius (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Jarl Mohn (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi. I'm having a really hard time grokking how the present president and CEO of NPR isn't notable. I've added additional cites from numerous sources to the article.

It is a stub, yes, but I'd created it out of surprise that there wasn't one already existing. More at the TeaHouse.

Dredmorbius (talk) 14:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 14:21, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @SamSailor! My submission for "National Abitration and Mediation" was recently declined by you as a result of sounding "too much like an advertisement." I made some changes and resubmitted the page but I was hoping you could offer me some additional feedback regarding what in particulr I can change to make the page more suitable for wikipedia. Thank you for your time and consideration as any advice would greatly help! 16:09, 6 March 2015 (UTC)~~@ATomNAM 3/6/15 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ATomNAM (talk • contribs)

We Players Should be ready for article space

This article certainly meets the criteria of NPOV, notability and non-promotional language and is, at least, a start class article. I recommend moving it to mainspace.

Bfpage |leave a message 07:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Test

Sorry about that. Onel5969 (talk) 16:37, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No prob. Best, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 16:38, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

16:46:04, 7 March 2015 review of submission by Michaelmayer555

Michaelmayer555 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Martin Ross (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Michaelmayer555 (talk) 16:46, 7 March 2015 (UTC) Hello.[reply]

I am not sure I understand why this was declined? Would you kindly elnighten me? I thought I had given enough evidence of Mr Ross's acting career and award nominated film. I intend to enter a list of UK actors moving forward. Thank you so much for your assistance. Please would you also kindly email me at: michaelmayer555@gmail.com Kind regards. Michael.

Please read my reply above when you asked the first time around. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 16:49, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

RE: review of submission by Nestor-bogdan (2)

Hello, Sam

Writing this message again in case you haven't gotten my old one yet. I'm repeating my reply. I look forward to hearing from you

Original reply:

Hello, Sam

Here is a link that talks about his involvement in Rukh and its forerunner Prosvita, and the fact that he is the head editor of Zhuravlik : http://referatu.net.ua/referats/7569/175243/?page=1

Here is a link written on the occasion of his 75th birthday that talks about his scientific and academic achievements: http://www-nuclear.univer.kharkov.ua/russ/p10_4_92.htm

Here is a link that confirms his presence in the Rukh splinter party DPU, from when he ran for elections in 1998: http://www.cvk.gov.ua/pls/vd2002/WEBPROC3V?kodvib=1&kodkand=2027 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nestor-bogdan (talk • contribs) 02:34, 3 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nestor-bogdan (talk • contribs)

Nestor-bogdan, submit the draft again and I will move it into mainspace. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 07:19, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reverts

What is the problem here Mr. Sam Sailor? — Masum Ibn Musa ^Conversation 12:15, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article review for submission

Thanks for the feedback Sam,

Can you help me on this one, Similar brand exist on wikipedia like popjustice, gigwise etc though? It does seem notable with good solid references. The brand is linked in on many other pages on this site I see too.

RE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mark_Meets IanMECoyleIanMeCoyle (talk) 10:19, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Stormy Atmosphere" band page declined again

Dear Sam Sailor,

My article was declined again, this time by you, due to notability issues. Here is the link to it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Stormy_Atmosphere

The problem is that I feel like I am chasing my tail here, because I have already been through these issues with many other moderators. I understand all the seriousness of the approach, but it feels like a de-ja-vu:
My article is declined, the reason is that the band seems not notable, then I prove it's notability with links to independent sources out of Israel, the first moderator says it seems ok to him, then I submit the article and it's being rejected by other moderator. Then again I manage to prove him that the band is notable and the sources are independent, resubmit the article and... poof - it's rejected by a third moderator!
Please help me with the issue once and for all. I don't beleive it's fair to make me work again and again on a same article, instead of writing other articles and contribute some more to Wikipedia. The explanations I got from previous moderators mustt have lead me astray so far. Then please be more specific with your remarks, or I might repeat the same mistakes, my article will be rejected again by someone else and this lose-lose loop will go on...
It would be great if you could also send me an answer as a message to my Talk
Thanks a lot in advance,
Silverray123 (talk) 13:40, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sam Sailor
Have you had a chance to look at my article?
Thanks again Silverray123 (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Silverray123: Yes, but not enough, forgive me. I'll dig into it within 2 hours. Thanks, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 16:33, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Silverray123: I had a read of all sources, copy edited the draft, moved some external links inline, and added a couple of references. The challenge we are facing is, that some sources are WP:USERGENERATED, others are just the average promo, and I can't see how it adds up to meeting any of the criteria set in WP:BAND. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 17:53, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Sollee

Hi Sam,

Regarding Draft:Eric Sollee This is my first article and first time writing to a talk page so please forgive mistakes (and tell me how to fix them).

Disclosure of potential conflict of interest: I was a student of Eric Sollee.

I've read your comments and tried to fix them, specifically: 1) removed puffery/peacock terms, 2) added references. I have saved the changes but not resubmitted. Are these changes sufficient? If not, for each of the two main issues could you please point to particular words or sections. I'll be happy to adjust.

I'm user RobSVA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RobSVA#Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Eric_Sollee_.28March_8.29 [[3]]

RobSVA (talk) 15:53, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

RobSVA, have a look at what I've done to the draft and let me know how I can help you further. We need a good WP:INTRO, right now the text moves focus away from Sollee to Harmemberg. I can't write it because I know nothing about fencing or Sollee. Your COI should not be a problem, but if you again you find yourself writing "maestro" or "Blah-blah Hall of Famer" you ought to immediately go and take a cold shower

and return here reading WP:NPOV. Best, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 16:55, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sam,

I like the suggestions that you've made at the draft article. I made a bunch of changes; I believe that it's ready for your review.

"Regarding "Maestro" and "Hall of Famer", I understand your point about how it looks. I've removed the text (except for where Eric was inducted into the Harvard Athletic Hall of fame, which is part of listing his achievements).

You might want to reconsider however: "Maestro is used in the sport of fencing, for a fencing instructor, and may be used in other sports to convey respect for an individual's skill."^[1] It is a title afforded to some coaches, please see for example: Giorgio Santelli and László Szabó (fencer). I had emphasized "Maestro" and the other credentials of his coaches a) to justify why Eric is notable and hence should be in Wikipedia and b) because this is part of Eric's pedigree. As a fencer, it's not just the name of the school or club at which you fenced, but it's the specific coach under whom you trained.

Also, "USFA Hall of Famer" refers specifically to people who have been inducted into the United States Fencing Association (USFA) Hall of Fame. USFA is the governing body for fencing in the United States, e.g. they select the US Olympic fencing team. I added the credentials of his students, including the ones who have been inducted into the USFA Hall of Fame: a) again, to justify Eric being Notable and b) you're known and judged by the quality of the students that you have produced.

If you believe that "Maestro" and "USFA Hall of Famer" are okay in this context, I'll judiciously re-instate them.

thanks, I really appreciate the help.

rob

User:RobSVA UserTalk:RobSVA

I believe that it's ready for your review.

RobSVA (talk) 18:39, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rob, you're not expected to know, but just for the future give WP:REDACT a read. No big deal here, but in other cases it can be. I think the draft looks good, the WP:LEAD sounds much better. Once you resubmit I'll stand back and let another editor at AfC chime in. Shouldn't you join Wikipedia:WikiProject Fencing? Have fun editing! -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 18:52, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! Your comments have been making me think and have resulted in a much better product. RobSVA (talk) 19:11, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're always welcome. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 19:14, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Silvio Wolf

Hi Sam!

I would be grateful to you if you could give me your opinion on my page on Silvio Wolf, which you already reviewed days ago, here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Silvio_Wolf Please, can you tell me if the references are now fine? I added all the possible links and ISBN. Some may be missing only because they are old editions and may not be available online. Shall I leave them? (Especially article and essays)

Thank you so much! Looking forward to your reply.

GVndl (talk) 16:36, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GVndl, submit it, and I'll move it into mainspace (article space), notability can't be questioned here. Best, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 15:36, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization. Legobot (talk) 00:05, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding draft:Light Combat Aircraft

Thanks for reviewing my draft, i did, most of the ref came from wiki articles references regarding details. Still searching for other references online that might support or contradict the term so far i can't find any. If you search LCA it always give you the Hal Tejas. Maybe other might contribute to it. Did i understand you right? Or are you asking me to link others to the draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Efram23 (talk • contribs) 10:13, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Efram23, look at what I did with the third ref, that was what I had in mind. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 10:24, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Sailor Got it. Thanks and done. You may check it whenever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Efram23 (talk • contribs) 11:06, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Light Combat Aircraft already exists in mainspace, but only as a redirect. We need one from the "mop gang" (=admins) to do the move. Make a new section on your talk page. Put {{Admin help}} in and explain the dilemma. Hell, we'll do it here, right? Saves some typing. Best, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 11:16, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done. JohnCD (talk) 13:03, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, JohnCD. Preferences → Gadgets → Yet Another AFC Helper Script takes the hassle out of the job. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 13:08, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

re: Robert Awards

Hi Sam. Great work! I think that'll go hand-in-hand with the Guldbagge Awards I've been working on (I think I'm upto the 30th Guldbagge Awards). Turn those redlinks to blue! Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 13:43, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of all things Danish, this article has just been drive-by tagged. Any help on sourcing him would be much appreciated. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 13:48, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done, have to run out for a sec, catch you later, have a couple of questions regarding ... MOS of all things! -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 14:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Yes, any questions, just ask. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 14:03, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No prob, gave me a chance to link to Morten Piil using the authorlink parameter. Following up: yes, I can tell you have as many red-linked subjects in the Guldbagga Awards as do I in the Roberts. Now, regarding MOS, do you use that side-by-side table in e.g. 30th Guldbagge Awards for the results because you think it's the best way to present it or because there is a tradition to do it that way? -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 14:39, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The tables are based on the layout for the Academy Awards, which seems to be the standard, although they have recently been updated to improve accessibility for visually impared users (see 87th Academy Awards, for example). Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 14:53, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Lugnuts: I know that layout is used in Academy Awards and likely from there in a bunch of award articles. Do you remember any centralised discussion about this choice of table? -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 15:28, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know of any discussion off the top of my head, but I think this layout became the defacto one. It's used on the César Awards, so it's not just US-centric! Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 19:26, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

UAA

(version which has these reports in) How are "Feet hands belly buttocks" and "DaielaHATESWIKI" not offensive? —George8211 / T 20:41, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 20:44, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. What I meant to say is reports of the user "Feet hands belly buttocks" and "DaielaHATESWIKI" have been declined. I don't get how they're not offensive. —George8211 / T 20:46, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, unfortunately I'm not an admin, so you might want to ask that User: Diannaa who in both cases have applied her interpretation of WP:U in these cases. And I agree with you. Diannaa, your comments here are welcomed. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 21:01, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's a judgement call obviously, but neither of these usernames is a violation of the username policy in my opinion, though they're both borderline. Blocking should not be our first response in such borderline cases. In both cases, the user talk page is a red link; no one has made any effort (as recommended by the UAA instructions) to first discuss with the user and suggest that they choose a more appropriate user name. This is something anyone can do; you don't have to be an admin. -- Diannaa (talk) 21:40, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is (1) in no way "obvious" to me, and neither is it to George8211, why the user name DaielaHATESWIKI should not be in violation of WP:U. Why? That you (2) observe the user page is red-linked has AFAICT no relevance, but I welcome your policy based argument of the opposite, and (3) should you in contrast to the ARV reporter really how found that DaielaHATESWIKI is an appropriate user name, you should have utilized {{uw-username}} which you did not. Why not? -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 22:56, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can only repeat that I don't believe either of these usernames is a serious enough violation so as to warrant an immediate block without warning or discussion. In both cases, the user has not edited since March 5, and they are unlikely to return. You are free to add the {{uw-username}} template to their talk pages yourself, which will add them to the category Category:Wikipedia usernames with possible policy issues, but I myself will not be doing so, as I don't believe it's an issue. -- Diannaa (talk) 14:09, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

By now there's probably not much point in sorting them out as it's been so long since they edited, but I'll never be able to mind-read other people. —George8211 / T 16:49, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Submission declined

Hello,

You have declined my draft article on BC Safety Authority based on the claim that the "submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:BC_Safety_Authority

Can you explain why this would be? The references refer to the organization's official publications as well as the legislation itself. How is it any different than WorkSafeBC's article, which seems to be very similar? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorkSafeBC

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinn newcomb (talk • contribs) 21:27, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OSE. Which areas were you interested in editing apart from your draft? -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 23:01, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand... I want to get my draft approved so people can learn about the organization. It is a legitimate organization with notability, as per references referring to specific legislation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinn newcomb (talk • contribs) 23:04, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Question on Decline of Robert Hanley

Hello, I noticed that you just declined the Robert Hanley page I submitted. I am a first time submitter and I added in references, form IMDB as well as the actor's personal website, and I don't understand why these are deemed unreliable? Is there something else that I am missing that you can be more specific on?

I do appreciate your help - I have been looking at the documentation, and I don't see why the citations wouldn't work for this.

Many thanks

Saviodesigns (talk) 00:44, 11 March 2015 (UTC) Chris[reply]

Chris, as I wrote in my comment on the draft: "Hard to tell if subject is notable, as a number of Robert Hanleys seem to exist or have existed, but all refts now given are primary (from subject's webpage) or from IMDb, and secondary sources are needed." Please follow and read the links in the pink box in the draft to get some guidance. Maybe also Wikipedia:Your first article can serve as inspiration? -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 16:36, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Require assistance in understanding the requirement for Wikipedia to accept the contents of my draft.- By Victim 86

Hi Sam I refer to my draft for the above. I am baffled as to why despite submitting all information that is required, the draft is still unacceptable.

The following notes appear under my draft:

This biography of a living person does not include any references or sources. (February 2015) The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. (February 2015) This article needs more links to other articles to help integrate it into the encyclopedia. (February 2015) This article should be divided into sections by topic, to make it more accessible. (February 2015)

I have made reference to the titles of the 2 magazines, the headers on the covers on these magazines, the pages that I have extracted the information from, the name of the authors, the pages from our local newspapers in Singapore etc.

I believe the only challenge that your office may face for verification would be to find these magazines from the year 1987- which took me about 18 months of effort to locate them.

I also paid a substantial amount to purchase the hard and soft copies of these magazines. I have written in several times to Mr Axl Matulic with regards to this article but apparently despite his relentless effort to assist me (for which I am very obliged), I somehow cant seem to meet the mark. I would like to state that the purpose of my wanting to display this article is to hopefully prevent this ex-fugitive, current bankrupt and con-artist from cheating more members of the public as he has during the last 28 years.

Regards Victim86 03:28, 11 March 2015 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.127.127.102 (talk)

@Victim86, Mohinani88, and Amatulic:

From what you write I can understand that you have been in off-Wiki contact with Axl Matulic who judging from a Google search is User:Amatulic who tagged Draft:Deepak Kanyalal Nandwani in February. I think the draft will benefit from an open discussion, and I therefore answer you here.

It is to me a bit unclear if your 5 March edits are attempts to add citations including quotes from the two magazines? Proper {{Cite journal}}s would look something like this:

Deutsch, Robin (January 1987). "The Scandalous Saga of Santennis". TENNIS magazine. New York, USA: Miller Publishing Group: 50–53.
Deutsch, Robin (January 1987). "The Scandalous Saga of Santennis". Golf Digest. USA: Condé Nast Publications: 22–25.

Interestingly here: http://www.engagingnews.us/select/Nick-Seitz.html is what appears to be a snip from something called Magazine for Magazine Management about the two above articles and the loss the two magazines suffered on unpaid adds. Ah, here we have the article on HighBeam. I have apllied for Wikipedia:HighBeam access.

I have been Googeling several strings, but most of my attempts have not been successful. I have however found this:

"Santennis, Inc. in Tigard, OR - Bizapedia Profile". bizapedia.com. Retrieved 11 March 2015. -- not very interesting, just a directory listing that confirms the company existed back then.
UPI (8 August 1986). "Sporting Goods Dealer Missing". The Bulletin. Retrieved 11 March 2015. -- vanished in early July while in New York
AP (19 August 1986). "Sports Shorts". apnewsarchive.com. Retrieved 11 March 2015. -- older than your articles, worth quoting in it's entirety:

PORTLAND, ORE. PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) Police and customs officials in Singapore have seized sports equipment from the defunct Santennis Inc. mail-order company, authorities in Portland reported. The Portland-based Santennis sold cut-rate tennis and golf equipment by mail before it suddenly went out of business and its owner disappeared last month. Roy Geffen, postal inspector in charge of the Portland Division, said Singapore authorities detained a shipment of Santennis goods from the cargo ship C.R. Parris, which arrived in Singapore last week from Tokyo. Geffen said U.S. and Singapore customs officials were investigating possible technical violations of federal law on illegal export declarations and violations of Singapore's import laws. The export documents did not reflect the actual contents of the containerized cargo, which held "large quantities of golf clubs, tennis rackets and accessories," Geffen said. Santennis was operated by Deepak Kanyalal, 26, of Singapore, who used the name Peter Nandwani. Kanyalal and his brother, Chandru Kanya Nandwani, were identified as the consignees of the seized shipment. Santennis began retail operations in Portland about 14 months ago and quickly moved into mail-order sales. The company advertised in publications that included Golf Digest, Tennis and World Tennis, leaving them with unpaid advertising bills.

"Sarasota Herald-Tribune - Google News Archive Search". news.google.com. 23 August 1986. Retrieved 11 March 2015. -- just a short snip about a customer being ripped off
"Sporting Goods Executive Arrested". Eugene Register-Guard. 6 December 1987. Retrieved 11 March 2015. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |Author= ignored (|author= suggested) (help) -- this is interesting because it is a later source than the two January articles you have, and because it says Deepak Kanyalal was arrested and held in Aruba since October 1987.

But that's all that can be found online, or all I was able to find. Our WP:BLP policy is strict for many reasons, and if the above plus the reference from Straits Times adds up to meet WP:BIO, and I'm a bit concerned about the section regarding Singapore in recent years and how much of that you can source, then the article at least needs a very dispassionate rewrite. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 15:42, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Msg from Ragnaregg re Draft:Tempo

Hello Sam,

Thank you for reviewing the Tempo article, this is my first time creating a new Wikipedia page and I'm sure there are many things I'm not getting right. I am trying to keep as neutral a tone as possible and would like to know if there's anything specifically that you would change. Although, I would point to the pages of some of the collaborators and competitors of Tempo which seem to be employing a similar tone as the one I used: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V1_Ltd - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JIRA - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrike

I firmly believe that Tempo should have its own wikipedia page, it was part of a publicly traded company until recently, has many notable clients, has participated in many forums and conferences in the field and is widely-known in its field. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ragnaregg (talk • contribs) 09:24, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

11:06:47, 11 March 2015 review of submission by 92.23.155.241

92.23.155.241 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Wave 2 Growth Hub Program (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Sam

You have recently declined the article below:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Wave_2_Growth_Hub_Program

This is the second time it has been declined. I made all the changes suggested to me by the last reviewer and the people on live chat before submitting it a second time and they said they thought it should be OK. Could you be a bit more specific about what changes I need to make. I have tried to keep the tone neutral and cited a number of external pieces of press about the programme. This is a national UK programme supported by government and I believe it is notable enough to deserve a wiki page. Any help you can give me to make the amendments required to get this published would be really helpful. Could you let me know which parts that need to be changed?

Thanks

Nikki

92.23.155.241 (talk) 11:06, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

La Bella Principessa

Dear Sam,

You reverted my amendments to the page which is titled Portrait of a Young Fiancee, which I was trying to rename/re-title as La Bella Principessa, which is the title of the picture. Many of the references refer to books and articles about La Bella Principessa. Moreover, News or Book search using a search engine returns far more information about items relating to La Bella Principessa. Indeed, it is only Wikipedia that alludes to the Portrait of a Young Fiancee. Are you able to change the title to La Bella Principessa and remove the redirect page from Portrait of a Young Fiancee? JiffyJifster 11/03/2015 JiffyJifster (talk) 11:41, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have made zero edits in Portrait of a Young Fiancée so far, but since you bring the article to my attention I have looked at your edits in February, and as you introduce countless referencing errors by copy-pasting text from the article instead of doing it in edit view which would have retained the correct references, I am going to restore a previous version. I can tell from the article history that the subject is a delicate matter. Please go slow on editing and provide edit summaries for all edits.

As for the article title it was Young Girl in Profile in Renaissance Dress when created in 2009, which is very close to Chritie's title Head of a Young Girl in Profile to the Left in Renaissance Dress. On 22 February 2012, Amandajm moved it to "La Bella Principessa", Sailko moved it to So-called Bella Principessa an hour later, and Amandajm moved it the next day to Portrait of a Young Fiancée. According to Janice Koch (1 January 2012). Science Stories: Science Methods for Elementary and Middle School Teachers. Cengage Learning. pp. 309–. ISBN 1-111-83343-5. the work was in 2008 titled Profile of a Young Fiancée (my emphasis, as opposed to Portrait), Martin Kemp then first called the work La Bella Milanese, but quote "there were complaints that it made her sound like a veal chop, so [...] Kemp gave her the name she now has, La Bella Principessa." This and a quick search leaves me with the impression that you might be right and that La Bella Principessa would find support per WP:COMMONNAME. However, as the title has previously been controversial, consensus should be reached on the article talk page first. If consensus decides that La Bella Principessa is the better choice, it just takes an admin to delete the current redirect to make way for the move. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 14:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

JiffyJifster, I copied the above to Talk:Portrait of a Young Fiancée making it a proposal to move to La Bella Principessa, and gave it my support. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 15:46, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Great article!

Your article is great!! I it has been a great article.--24.34.11.217 (talk) 23:21, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 :[[User:JiffyJifster|JiffyJifster]], I copied the above to [[Talk:Portrait of a Young Fiancée]] making it a proposal to move to ''[[La Bella Principessa]]'', and gave it my support. -- [[User:Sam Sailor|Sam Sailor]] [[User talk:Sam Sailor|<sup>''Talk!''</sup>]] 15:46, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
+== Great article! ==
+Your article is great!! I it has been a great article.--[[Special:Contributions/24.34.11.217|24.34.11.217]] ([[User talk:24.34.11.217|talk]]) 23:21, 11 March 2015 (UTC)