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Portals WikiProject update, 25 May 2018

We have grown to 79 members.

Please provide a warm welcome to our latest additions, Wpgbrown, Cactus.man, JLJ001, and Wumbolo.

A lot is going on, much of it on the WikiProject's talk page, so be sure to go there and join in on any of the many discussions taking place there.

Elsewhere around the portal project, or related to portals, the following is happening...

New news template ready for testing

Evad37 has created a new template, with supporting lua module, to handle news in portals...

{{Transclude selected current events}} is ready to be tested in some actual portals. Let Evad37 know if you need help with the search patterns.

Noyster commented that "This is the best portal innovation since sliced bread!"

See the relevant discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Alternative to Wikinews.

Thank you, Evad.

Coming soon: Automatic article alerts (but there is a glitch)

Our WikiProject is now subscribed to the bot that makes automatic article alerts, but the subpage where they are posted has not been added to our WikiProject page yet because of a weird problem...

Featured portal nominations from two years ago keep popping up on there.

Please check Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals/Article alerts to see if you can figure out how to fix this.

Once that is remedied, it will be posted on our WikiProject page.

Thank you.

Note that, this will only track base pages, because to track the rest, we'd have to create over 140,000 talk pages for the subpages, and that just isn't worthwhile (as we're trying to remove the subpages anyways). Therefore, any alerts for subpages will still need to be posted manually.

New portal, still needs work

• Portal:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, courtesy of Mozart834428196. See also, the discussion.

Drafting a new portals guideline

Your input/editing is welcome on the draft-in-progress of a new guideline for portals.

See or work on the draft at User:Cesdeva/sandbox11.

See also the discussion at: Wikipedia talk:Portal guidelines#RfC on new portal guidelines

RfC on new TOC layout for main portal list

There is a proposal to change the look of the table of contents at Portal:Contents/Portals.

See: Portal talk:Contents/Portals#RFC on layout update.

Deletion discussion survivors

Thank you to those who have participated in portal deletion discussions. There are still some editors out there who despise portals, and this comes across in their argumentation style. Wow. Such negativity. But, there is some good news...

• Portal:Quidditch survived its 2nd deletion nomination
• Portal:Prehistory of Antarctica did the same

Current deletion discussions are posted on our WikiProject page.

Portal space clean up

While portal detractors are trying to get rid of portals via MfD, we have deleted many of them via speedy deletion (per {{Db-p1}} or {{Db-p2}}). Essentially, they were bare skeletons, with maybe a little meat on them. The plus here is that speedy deletion is without prejudice to re-creating the portals. They can easily be restarted from scratch without getting approval, or be undeleted by request by someone willing to work on them. We have kept track of these, for when someone wants to rebuild them. They are listed at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.

We are also removing subpages, the functions of which have been migrated to portal base pages. To see which ones have been removed, look for the redlinks in our watchlist.

There is also an MfD concerning some of these at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Redundant subpages of the Cornwall portal.

For subpages that need to be deleted, you can conveniently place this speedy deletion template at the top of each of them:

{{Db-g6|rationale=of subpage clean up – this subpage's function has been migrated to the portal base page and is no longer needed}}

Then an admin will come along and delete them.

Please help list the unlisted portals!

There are still 100 existing portals not yet presented on the main portal list at Portal:Contents/Portals. There were 400, so we've come a long way. Thank you! But we are not done yet...

Please list a couple of them. Every little bit helps. If each member of this project listed one more, it would almost all be done. Many hands make light work.

The list of missings, and instructions, are to be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.

I hope to see you there!

Wrapping up

These developments make up just the tip of the iceberg. I'll have more to report in the next update, soon.    — The Transhumanist   00:37, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Thanks for reviewing Kona Film Corporation, Wumbolo.

Unfortunately Domdeparis has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

sorry but the sources are not strong enough to show this company meets WP:NCORP notably WP:CORPDEPTH

To reply, leave a comment on Domdeparis's talk page.

Dom from Paris (talk) 15:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of SethBling

The article SethBling you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:SethBling for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Epicgenius -- Epicgenius (talk) 20:21, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #014, 27 July 2018

Development of design continues, full speed ahead...

Excerpt slideshows are here!

Can you say "paradigm shift"?

Now, in addition to picture slideshows, we have slideshows that can display excerpts. Portals are not just for topic tasting anymore. Now they can be made useful for surveying Wikipedia's coverage of entire subjects. This gives a deeper meaning to their name. Hmmm. "Portals"... Doorways to knowledge.

Portal:Lithuania was redesigned using excerpt slideshows. Check it out.

For those of you who cannot wait to test out these new toys...

We have not one, but three excerpt slideshow components to pick from:

{{Transclude excerpts as random slideshow}}

For this one, you specify the page names where the excerpts are to be extracted from.

{{Transclude list item excerpts as random slideshow}}

This one accepts source pages from where the page names are gathered from list items. Then an excerpt from one of those pages is displayed. The selection of what is included in the slide show can be limited to a specific number from the collection (of the page names gathered), and that selection is renewed from scratch each time the page is purged.

For example, if you specify Template:World Heritage Sites in Spain as a source page, the slideshow will cycle through those sites. Now you don't have to type them in one-by-one. This greatly reduces portal creation time.

{{Transclude linked excerpts as random slideshow}}

Same as above, but gathers links instead of just linked list items.

Panoramic banners

{{Portal image banner}} displays a panoramic picture the width of the page, and adjusts its size, so it stays that way even if the user changes page view size. And it accepts multiple file names, so that the picture displayed randomizes between them each time the page is visited/purged.

Give resizing the page a try:

Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania.

You can now balance section boxes

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Reptile types

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  Aldabra giant tortoise
  (Aldabrachelys gigantea)

  
  Tortoises (/ˈtɔːr.təs.ɪz/) are reptiles of the family Testudinidae of the order Testudines (Latin for "tortoise"). Like other turtles, tortoises have a shell to protect from predation and other threats. The shell in tortoises is generally hard, and like other members of the suborder Cryptodira, they retract their necks and heads directly backward into the shell to protect them. (Full article...)
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  Nile crocodile (Crocodylus niloticus)

  
  Crocodiles (family Crocodylidae) or true crocodiles are large semiaquatic reptiles that live throughout the tropics in Africa, Asia, the Americas and Australia. The term crocodile is sometimes used even more loosely to include all extant members of the order Crocodilia, which includes the alligators and caimans (family Alligatoridae), the gharial and false gharial (family Gavialidae) among other extinct taxa. (Full article...)
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  Yacare caiman, Caiman yacare

  
  A caiman (/ˈkeɪmən/; also cayman as a variant spelling from Taíno kaiman) is an alligatorid belonging to the subfamily Caimaninae, one of two primary lineages within the Alligatoridae family, the other being alligators. Caimans are native to Central and South America and inhabit marshes, swamps, lakes, and mangrove rivers. They have scaly skin and live a fairly nocturnal existence. They are relatively small-sized crocodilians with an average maximum weight of 6 to 40 kg (13 to 88 lb) depending on species, with the exception of the black caiman (Melanosuchus niger), which can grow more than 4 m (13 ft) in length and weigh in excess of 1,000 kg (2,200 Ib). The black caiman is the largest caiman species in the world and is found in the slow-moving rivers and lakes that surround the Amazon basin. The smallest species is the Cuvier's dwarf caiman (Paleosuchus palpebrosus), which grows to 1.2 to 1.5 m (3.9 to 4.9 ft) long. There are six different species of caiman found throughout the watery jungle habitats of Central and Southern America. The average length for most of the other caiman species is about 2 to 2.5 m (6.6 to 8.2 ft) long. (Full article...)
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  Northern tuatara (Sphenodon punctatus punctatus)

  
  The tuatara (Sphenodon punctatus) is a species of reptile endemic to New Zealand. Despite its close resemblance to lizards, it is part of a distinct lineage, the order Rhynchocephalia. The name tuatara is derived from the Māori language and means "peaks on the back". (Full article...)
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  Corallus caninus

  
  Snakes are elongated, limbless reptiles of the suborder Serpentes (/sɜːrˈpɛntiːz/). Like all other squamates, snakes are ectothermic, amniote vertebrates covered in overlapping scales. Many species of snakes have skulls with several more joints than their lizard ancestors, enabling them to swallow prey much larger than their heads (cranial kinesis). To accommodate their narrow bodies, snakes' paired organs (such as kidneys) appear one in front of the other instead of side by side, and most have only one functional lung. Some species retain a pelvic girdle with a pair of vestigial claws on either side of the cloaca. Lizards have independently evolved elongate bodies without limbs or with greatly reduced limbs at least twenty-five times via convergent evolution, leading to many lineages of legless lizards. These resemble snakes, but several common groups of legless lizards have eyelids and external ears, which snakes lack, although this rule is not universal (see Amphisbaenia, Dibamidae, and Pygopodidae). (Full article...)
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  Blanus cinereus, Spain

  
  Amphisbaenia /æmfɪsˈbiːniə/ (called amphisbaenians or worm lizards) is a group of typically legless lizards, comprising over 200 extant species. Amphisbaenians are characterized by their long bodies, the reduction or loss of the limbs, and rudimentary eyes. As many species have a pink body and scales arranged in rings, they have a superficial resemblance to earthworms. While the genus Bipes retains forelimbs, all other genera are limbless. Phylogenetic studies suggest that they are nested within Lacertoidea, closely related to the lizard family Lacertidae. Amphisbaenians are widely distributed, occurring in North America, Europe, Africa, South America, Western Asia and the Caribbean. Most species are less than 6 inches (15 cm) long. (Full article...)
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  Clockwise from top left: veiled chameleon (Chamaeleo calyptratus), rock monitor (Varanus albigularis), common blue-tongued skink (Tiliqua scincoides), Italian wall lizard (Podarcis sicula), giant leaf-tailed gecko (Uroplatus fimbriatus), and legless lizard (Anelytropsis papillosus)

  
  Lizard is the common name used for all squamate reptiles other than snakes (and to a lesser extent amphisbaenians), encompassing over 7,000 species, ranging across all continents except Antarctica, as well as most oceanic island chains. The grouping is paraphyletic as some lizards are more closely related to snakes than they are to other lizards. Lizards range in size from chameleons and geckos a few centimeters long to the 3-meter-long Komodo dragon. (Full article...)
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  Male gharial

  
  The gharial (Gavialis gangeticus), also known as gavial or fish-eating crocodile, is a crocodilian in the family Gavialidae and among the longest of all living crocodilians. Mature females are 2.6 to 4.5 m (8 ft 6 in to 14 ft 9 in) long, and males 3 to 6 m (9 ft 10 in to 19 ft 8 in). Adult males have a distinct boss at the end of the snout, which resembles an earthenware pot known as a ghara, hence the name "gharial". The gharial is well adapted to catching fish because of its long, narrow snout and 110 sharp, interlocking teeth. (Full article...)
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  Common box turtle

  
  Turtles are reptiles of the order Testudines, characterized by a special shell developed mainly from their ribs. Modern turtles are divided into two major groups, the Pleurodira (side necked turtles) and Cryptodira (hidden necked turtles), which differ in the way the head retracts. There are 360 living and recently extinct species of turtles, including land-dwelling tortoises and freshwater terrapins. They are found on most continents, some islands and, in the case of sea turtles, much of the ocean. Like other amniotes (reptiles, birds, and mammals) they breathe air and do not lay eggs underwater, although many species live in or around water. (Full article...)
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  An American alligator (top) and a Chinese alligator

  
  An alligator, or colloquially gator, is a large reptile in the genus Alligator of the family Alligatoridae of the order Crocodilia. The two extant species are the American alligator (A. mississippiensis) and the Chinese alligator (A. sinensis). Additionally, several extinct species of alligator are known from fossil remains. Alligators first appeared during the late Eocene epoch about 37 million years ago. (Full article...)

Amphibian types

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  Spotted salamander, Ambystoma maculatum

  
  Salamanders are a group of amphibians typically characterized by their lizard-like appearance, with slender bodies, blunt snouts, short limbs projecting at right angles to the body, and the presence of a tail in both larvae and adults. All ten extant salamander families are grouped together under the order Urodela from the group Caudata. Urodela is a scientific Latin term based on the Ancient Greek οὐρά δήλη: ourà dēlē "conspicuous tail". Caudata is the Latin for "tailed ones", from cauda : "tail".
  
  Salamander diversity is highest in eastern North America, especially in the Appalachian Mountains; most species are found in the Holarctic realm, with some species present in the Neotropical realm. Salamanders never have more than four toes on their front legs and five on their rear legs, but some species have fewer digits and others lack hind limbs. Their permeable skin usually makes them reliant on habitats in or near water or other cool, damp places. Some salamander species are fully aquatic throughout their lives, some take to the water intermittently, and others are entirely terrestrial as adults.
  
  This group of amphibians is capable of regenerating lost limbs as well as other damaged parts of their bodies. Researchers hope to reverse engineer the regenerative processes for potential human medical applications, such as brain and spinal cord injury treatment or preventing harmful scarring during heart surgery recovery. The remarkable ability of salamanders to regenerate is not just limited to limbs but extends to vital organs such as the heart, jaw, and parts of the spinal cord, showing their uniqueness compared to different types of vertebrates. ⁤⁤This ability is most remarkable for occurring without any type of scarring. ⁤⁤This has made salamanders an invaluable model organism in scientific research aimed at understanding and achieving regenerative processes for medical advancements in human and animal biology. (Full article...)
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  European fire-bellied toad (Bombina bombina), a member of the family Bombinatoridae

  
  Toad is a common name for certain frogs, especially of the family Bufonidae, that are characterized by dry, leathery skin, short legs, and large bumps covering the parotoid glands.
  
  A distinction between frogs and toads is not made in scientific taxonomy, but is common in popular culture (folk taxonomy), in which toads are associated with drier, rougher skin and more terrestrial habitats. (Full article...)
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  Various types of frog

  
  A frog is any member of a diverse and largely carnivorous group of short-bodied, tailless amphibians composing the order Anura (coming from the Ancient Greek ἀνούρα, literally 'without tail'). The oldest fossil "proto-frog" Triadobatrachus is known from the Early Triassic of Madagascar, but molecular clock dating suggests their split from other amphibians may extend further back to the Permian, 265 million years ago. Frogs are widely distributed, ranging from the tropics to subarctic regions, but the greatest concentration of species diversity is in tropical rainforest. Frogs account for around 88% of extant amphibian species. They are also one of the five most diverse vertebrate orders. Warty frog species tend to be called toads, but the distinction between frogs and toads is informal, not from taxonomy or evolutionary history.
  
  An adult frog has a stout body, protruding eyes, anteriorly-attached tongue, limbs folded underneath, and no tail (the tail of tailed frogs is an extension of the male cloaca). Frogs have glandular skin, with secretions ranging from distasteful to toxic. Their skin varies in colour from well-camouflaged dappled brown, grey and green to vivid patterns of bright red or yellow and black to show toxicity and ward off predators. Adult frogs live in fresh water and on dry land; some species are adapted for living underground or in trees.
  
  Frogs typically lay their eggs in water. The eggs hatch into aquatic larvae called tadpoles that have tails and internal gills. They have highly specialized rasping mouth parts suitable for herbivorous, omnivorous or planktivorous diets. The life cycle is completed when they metamorphose into adults. A few species deposit eggs on land or bypass the tadpole stage. Adult frogs generally have a carnivorous diet consisting of small invertebrates, but omnivorous species exist and a few feed on plant matter. Frog skin has a rich microbiome which is important to their health. Frogs are extremely efficient at converting what they eat into body mass. They are an important food source for predators and part of the food web dynamics of many of the world's ecosystems. The skin is semi-permeable, making them susceptible to dehydration, so they either live in moist places or have special adaptations to deal with dry habitats. Frogs produce a wide range of vocalizations, particularly in their breeding season, and exhibit many different kinds of complex behaviors to attract mates, to fend off predators and to generally survive. (Full article...)
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  Oscaecilia ochrocephala (Caeciliidae)

  
  Caecilians (/sɪˈsɪliən/; New Latin for 'blind ones') are a group of limbless, vermiform (worm-shaped) or serpentine (snake-shaped) amphibians with small or sometimes nonexistent eyes. They mostly live hidden in soil or in streambeds, and this cryptic lifestyle renders caecilians among the least familiar amphibians. Modern caecilians live in the tropics of South and Central America, Africa, and southern Asia. Caecilians feed on small subterranean creatures such as earthworms. The body is cylindrical and often darkly coloured, and the skull is bullet-shaped and strongly built. Caecilian heads have several unique adaptations, including fused cranial and jaw bones, a two-part system of jaw muscles, and a chemosensory tentacle in front of the eye. The skin is slimy and bears ringlike markings or grooves and may contain scales.
  
  Modern caecilians are a clade, the order Gymnophiona /ˌdʒɪmnəˈfaɪənə/ (or Apoda /ˈæpədə/), one of the three living amphibian groups alongside Anura (frogs) and Urodela (salamanders). Gymnophiona is a crown group, encompassing all modern caecilians and all descendants of their last common ancestor. There are more than 220 living species of caecilian classified in 10 families. Gymnophionomorpha is a recently coined name for the corresponding total group which includes Gymnophiona as well as a few extinct stem-group caecilians (extinct amphibians whose closest living relatives are caecilians but are not descended from any caecilian). Some palaeontologists have used the name Gymnophiona for the total group and the old name Apoda for the crown group'. However, Apoda has other even older uses, including as the name of a genus of Butterfly making its use potentially confusing and best avoided. 'Gymnophiona' derives from the Greek words γυμνος / gymnos (Ancient Greek for 'naked') and οφις / ophis (Ancient Greek for 'snake'), as the caecilians were originally thought to be related to snakes and to lack scales.
  
  The study of caecilian evolution is complicated by their poor fossil record and specialized anatomy. Genetic evidence and some anatomical details (such as pedicellate teeth) support the idea that frogs, salamanders, and caecilians (collectively known as lissamphibians) are each others' closest relatives. Frogs and salamanders show many similarities to dissorophoids, a group of extinct amphibians in the order Temnospondyli. Caecilians are more controversial; many studies extend dissorophoid ancestry to caecilians. Some studies have instead argued that caecilians descend from extinct lepospondyl or stereospondyl amphibians, contradicting evidence for lissamphibian monophyly (common ancestry). Rare fossils of early gymnophionans such as Eocaecilia and Funcusvermis have helped to test the various conflicting hypotheses for the relationships between caecilians and other living and extinct amphibians. ('Full article...)

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Reptile types

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  Nile crocodile (Crocodylus niloticus)

  
  Crocodiles (family Crocodylidae) or true crocodiles are large semiaquatic reptiles that live throughout the tropics in Africa, Asia, the Americas and Australia. The term crocodile is sometimes used even more loosely to include all extant members of the order Crocodilia, which includes the alligators and caimans (family Alligatoridae), the gharial and false gharial (family Gavialidae) among other extinct taxa. (Full article...)
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  Male gharial

  
  The gharial (Gavialis gangeticus), also known as gavial or fish-eating crocodile, is a crocodilian in the family Gavialidae and among the longest of all living crocodilians. Mature females are 2.6 to 4.5 m (8 ft 6 in to 14 ft 9 in) long, and males 3 to 6 m (9 ft 10 in to 19 ft 8 in). Adult males have a distinct boss at the end of the snout, which resembles an earthenware pot known as a ghara, hence the name "gharial". The gharial is well adapted to catching fish because of its long, narrow snout and 110 sharp, interlocking teeth. (Full article...)
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  Northern tuatara (Sphenodon punctatus punctatus)

  
  The tuatara (Sphenodon punctatus) is a species of reptile endemic to New Zealand. Despite its close resemblance to lizards, it is part of a distinct lineage, the order Rhynchocephalia. The name tuatara is derived from the Māori language and means "peaks on the back". (Full article...)
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  Clockwise from top left: veiled chameleon (Chamaeleo calyptratus), rock monitor (Varanus albigularis), common blue-tongued skink (Tiliqua scincoides), Italian wall lizard (Podarcis sicula), giant leaf-tailed gecko (Uroplatus fimbriatus), and legless lizard (Anelytropsis papillosus)

  
  Lizard is the common name used for all squamate reptiles other than snakes (and to a lesser extent amphisbaenians), encompassing over 7,000 species, ranging across all continents except Antarctica, as well as most oceanic island chains. The grouping is paraphyletic as some lizards are more closely related to snakes than they are to other lizards. Lizards range in size from chameleons and geckos a few centimeters long to the 3-meter-long Komodo dragon. (Full article...)
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  An American alligator (top) and a Chinese alligator

  
  An alligator, or colloquially gator, is a large reptile in the genus Alligator of the family Alligatoridae of the order Crocodilia. The two extant species are the American alligator (A. mississippiensis) and the Chinese alligator (A. sinensis). Additionally, several extinct species of alligator are known from fossil remains. Alligators first appeared during the late Eocene epoch about 37 million years ago. (Full article...)
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  Yacare caiman, Caiman yacare

  
  A caiman (/ˈkeɪmən/; also cayman as a variant spelling from Taíno kaiman) is an alligatorid belonging to the subfamily Caimaninae, one of two primary lineages within the Alligatoridae family, the other being alligators. Caimans are native to Central and South America and inhabit marshes, swamps, lakes, and mangrove rivers. They have scaly skin and live a fairly nocturnal existence. They are relatively small-sized crocodilians with an average maximum weight of 6 to 40 kg (13 to 88 lb) depending on species, with the exception of the black caiman (Melanosuchus niger), which can grow more than 4 m (13 ft) in length and weigh in excess of 1,000 kg (2,200 Ib). The black caiman is the largest caiman species in the world and is found in the slow-moving rivers and lakes that surround the Amazon basin. The smallest species is the Cuvier's dwarf caiman (Paleosuchus palpebrosus), which grows to 1.2 to 1.5 m (3.9 to 4.9 ft) long. There are six different species of caiman found throughout the watery jungle habitats of Central and Southern America. The average length for most of the other caiman species is about 2 to 2.5 m (6.6 to 8.2 ft) long. (Full article...)
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  Corallus caninus

  
  Snakes are elongated, limbless reptiles of the suborder Serpentes (/sɜːrˈpɛntiːz/). Like all other squamates, snakes are ectothermic, amniote vertebrates covered in overlapping scales. Many species of snakes have skulls with several more joints than their lizard ancestors, enabling them to swallow prey much larger than their heads (cranial kinesis). To accommodate their narrow bodies, snakes' paired organs (such as kidneys) appear one in front of the other instead of side by side, and most have only one functional lung. Some species retain a pelvic girdle with a pair of vestigial claws on either side of the cloaca. Lizards have independently evolved elongate bodies without limbs or with greatly reduced limbs at least twenty-five times via convergent evolution, leading to many lineages of legless lizards. These resemble snakes, but several common groups of legless lizards have eyelids and external ears, which snakes lack, although this rule is not universal (see Amphisbaenia, Dibamidae, and Pygopodidae). (Full article...)
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  Common box turtle

  
  Turtles are reptiles of the order Testudines, characterized by a special shell developed mainly from their ribs. Modern turtles are divided into two major groups, the Pleurodira (side necked turtles) and Cryptodira (hidden necked turtles), which differ in the way the head retracts. There are 360 living and recently extinct species of turtles, including land-dwelling tortoises and freshwater terrapins. They are found on most continents, some islands and, in the case of sea turtles, much of the ocean. Like other amniotes (reptiles, birds, and mammals) they breathe air and do not lay eggs underwater, although many species live in or around water. (Full article...)
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  Aldabra giant tortoise
  (Aldabrachelys gigantea)

  
  Tortoises (/ˈtɔːr.təs.ɪz/) are reptiles of the family Testudinidae of the order Testudines (Latin for "tortoise"). Like other turtles, tortoises have a shell to protect from predation and other threats. The shell in tortoises is generally hard, and like other members of the suborder Cryptodira, they retract their necks and heads directly backward into the shell to protect them. (Full article...)
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  Blanus cinereus, Spain

  
  Amphisbaenia /æmfɪsˈbiːniə/ (called amphisbaenians or worm lizards) is a group of typically legless lizards, comprising over 200 extant species. Amphisbaenians are characterized by their long bodies, the reduction or loss of the limbs, and rudimentary eyes. As many species have a pink body and scales arranged in rings, they have a superficial resemblance to earthworms. While the genus Bipes retains forelimbs, all other genera are limbless. Phylogenetic studies suggest that they are nested within Lacertoidea, closely related to the lizard family Lacertidae. Amphisbaenians are widely distributed, occurring in North America, Europe, Africa, South America, Western Asia and the Caribbean. Most species are less than 6 inches (15 cm) long. (Full article...)

Amphibian types

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  Spotted salamander, Ambystoma maculatum

  
  Salamanders are a group of amphibians typically characterized by their lizard-like appearance, with slender bodies, blunt snouts, short limbs projecting at right angles to the body, and the presence of a tail in both larvae and adults. All ten extant salamander families are grouped together under the order Urodela from the group Caudata. Urodela is a scientific Latin term based on the Ancient Greek οὐρά δήλη: ourà dēlē "conspicuous tail". Caudata is the Latin for "tailed ones", from cauda : "tail".
  
  Salamander diversity is highest in eastern North America, especially in the Appalachian Mountains; most species are found in the Holarctic realm, with some species present in the Neotropical realm. Salamanders never have more than four toes on their front legs and five on their rear legs, but some species have fewer digits and others lack hind limbs. Their permeable skin usually makes them reliant on habitats in or near water or other cool, damp places. Some salamander species are fully aquatic throughout their lives, some take to the water intermittently, and others are entirely terrestrial as adults.
  
  This group of amphibians is capable of regenerating lost limbs as well as other damaged parts of their bodies. Researchers hope to reverse engineer the regenerative processes for potential human medical applications, such as brain and spinal cord injury treatment or preventing harmful scarring during heart surgery recovery. The remarkable ability of salamanders to regenerate is not just limited to limbs but extends to vital organs such as the heart, jaw, and parts of the spinal cord, showing their uniqueness compared to different types of vertebrates. ⁤⁤This ability is most remarkable for occurring without any type of scarring. ⁤⁤This has made salamanders an invaluable model organism in scientific research aimed at understanding and achieving regenerative processes for medical advancements in human and animal biology. (Full article...)
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  Oscaecilia ochrocephala (Caeciliidae)

  
  Caecilians (/sɪˈsɪliən/; New Latin for 'blind ones') are a group of limbless, vermiform (worm-shaped) or serpentine (snake-shaped) amphibians with small or sometimes nonexistent eyes. They mostly live hidden in soil or in streambeds, and this cryptic lifestyle renders caecilians among the least familiar amphibians. Modern caecilians live in the tropics of South and Central America, Africa, and southern Asia. Caecilians feed on small subterranean creatures such as earthworms. The body is cylindrical and often darkly coloured, and the skull is bullet-shaped and strongly built. Caecilian heads have several unique adaptations, including fused cranial and jaw bones, a two-part system of jaw muscles, and a chemosensory tentacle in front of the eye. The skin is slimy and bears ringlike markings or grooves and may contain scales.
  
  Modern caecilians are a clade, the order Gymnophiona /ˌdʒɪmnəˈfaɪənə/ (or Apoda /ˈæpədə/), one of the three living amphibian groups alongside Anura (frogs) and Urodela (salamanders). Gymnophiona is a crown group, encompassing all modern caecilians and all descendants of their last common ancestor. There are more than 220 living species of caecilian classified in 10 families. Gymnophionomorpha is a recently coined name for the corresponding total group which includes Gymnophiona as well as a few extinct stem-group caecilians (extinct amphibians whose closest living relatives are caecilians but are not descended from any caecilian). Some palaeontologists have used the name Gymnophiona for the total group and the old name Apoda for the crown group'. However, Apoda has other even older uses, including as the name of a genus of Butterfly making its use potentially confusing and best avoided. 'Gymnophiona' derives from the Greek words γυμνος / gymnos (Ancient Greek for 'naked') and οφις / ophis (Ancient Greek for 'snake'), as the caecilians were originally thought to be related to snakes and to lack scales.
  
  The study of caecilian evolution is complicated by their poor fossil record and specialized anatomy. Genetic evidence and some anatomical details (such as pedicellate teeth) support the idea that frogs, salamanders, and caecilians (collectively known as lissamphibians) are each others' closest relatives. Frogs and salamanders show many similarities to dissorophoids, a group of extinct amphibians in the order Temnospondyli. Caecilians are more controversial; many studies extend dissorophoid ancestry to caecilians. Some studies have instead argued that caecilians descend from extinct lepospondyl or stereospondyl amphibians, contradicting evidence for lissamphibian monophyly (common ancestry). Rare fossils of early gymnophionans such as Eocaecilia and Funcusvermis have helped to test the various conflicting hypotheses for the relationships between caecilians and other living and extinct amphibians. ('Full article...)
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  European fire-bellied toad (Bombina bombina), a member of the family Bombinatoridae

  
  Toad is a common name for certain frogs, especially of the family Bufonidae, that are characterized by dry, leathery skin, short legs, and large bumps covering the parotoid glands.
  
  A distinction between frogs and toads is not made in scientific taxonomy, but is common in popular culture (folk taxonomy), in which toads are associated with drier, rougher skin and more terrestrial habitats. (Full article...)
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  Various types of frog

  
  A frog is any member of a diverse and largely carnivorous group of short-bodied, tailless amphibians composing the order Anura (coming from the Ancient Greek ἀνούρα, literally 'without tail'). The oldest fossil "proto-frog" Triadobatrachus is known from the Early Triassic of Madagascar, but molecular clock dating suggests their split from other amphibians may extend further back to the Permian, 265 million years ago. Frogs are widely distributed, ranging from the tropics to subarctic regions, but the greatest concentration of species diversity is in tropical rainforest. Frogs account for around 88% of extant amphibian species. They are also one of the five most diverse vertebrate orders. Warty frog species tend to be called toads, but the distinction between frogs and toads is informal, not from taxonomy or evolutionary history.
  
  An adult frog has a stout body, protruding eyes, anteriorly-attached tongue, limbs folded underneath, and no tail (the tail of tailed frogs is an extension of the male cloaca). Frogs have glandular skin, with secretions ranging from distasteful to toxic. Their skin varies in colour from well-camouflaged dappled brown, grey and green to vivid patterns of bright red or yellow and black to show toxicity and ward off predators. Adult frogs live in fresh water and on dry land; some species are adapted for living underground or in trees.
  
  Frogs typically lay their eggs in water. The eggs hatch into aquatic larvae called tadpoles that have tails and internal gills. They have highly specialized rasping mouth parts suitable for herbivorous, omnivorous or planktivorous diets. The life cycle is completed when they metamorphose into adults. A few species deposit eggs on land or bypass the tadpole stage. Adult frogs generally have a carnivorous diet consisting of small invertebrates, but omnivorous species exist and a few feed on plant matter. Frog skin has a rich microbiome which is important to their health. Frogs are extremely efficient at converting what they eat into body mass. They are an important food source for predators and part of the food web dynamics of many of the world's ecosystems. The skin is semi-permeable, making them susceptible to dehydration, so they either live in moist places or have special adaptations to deal with dry habitats. Frogs produce a wide range of vocalizations, particularly in their breeding season, and exhibit many different kinds of complex behaviors to attract mates, to fend off predators and to generally survive. (Full article...)

Notice how the box bottoms line up. That readjusts even if you click the slideshow buttons.

The template used for this is {{Flex columns}}.

By the way, when you include more than one box in a column, any left over whitespace in that column is divided between them.

Box-header colour

You may have noticed the new {{Box-header colour}} template used above. It lets you pick the color locally (right on the same page). Before, this was handled on a subpage somewhere.

Testing, testing

Now that we have lots of toys to play with for making cool portals...

Don't forget, that the majority of views of Wikipedia these days are from mobile devices. We need to make certain that portals display well on those. So, remember to check your work on portals in mobile view mode...

To see a portal in mobile view mode, insert a ".m" into a portal's url, after "en", like this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Reptile

If you discover problems in a portal you can't fix, report them on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design.

Until next time...

Have fun.    — The Transhumanist   01:01, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.12 30 July 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months. ()

Hello Wumbolo, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

June backlog drive

Overall the June backlog drive was a success, reducing the last 3,000 or so to below 500. However, as expected, 90% of the patrolling was done by less than 10% of reviewers.
Since the drive closed, the backlog has begun to rise sharply again and is back up to nearly 1,400 already. Please help reduce this total and keep it from raising further by reviewing some articles each day.

New technology, new rules

• New features are shortly going to be added to the Special:NewPagesFeed which include a list of drafts for review, OTRS flags for COPYVIO, and more granular filter preferences. More details can be found at this page.
• Probationary permissions: Now that PERM has been configured to allow expiry dates to all minor user rights, new NPR flag holders may sometimes be limited in the first instance to 6 months during which their work will be assessed for both quality and quantity of their reviews. This will allow admins to accord the right in borderline cases rather than make a flat out rejection.
• Current reviewers who have had the flag for longer than 6 months but have not used the permissions since they were granted will have the flag removed, but may still request to have it granted again in the future, subject to the same probationary period, if they wish to become an active reviewer.

Editathons

• Editathons will continue through August. Please be gentle with new pages that obviously come from good faith participants, especially articles from developing economies and ones about female subjects. Consider using the 'move to draft' tool rather than bluntly tagging articles that may have potential but which cannot yet reside in mainspace.

The Signpost

• The next issue of the monthly magazine will be out soon. The newspaper is an excellent way to stay up to date with news and new developments between our newsletters. If you have special messages to be published, or if you would like to submit an article (one about NPR perhaps?), don't hesitate to contact the editorial team here.

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Portals WikiProject update #015, 31 July 2018

Now that we have lots of toys to play with, it's play time!

Here are some fun activities to use our new toys on...

Fun activity #1: put the improved panorama template to use

Would you like to travel around the world? Well, this may be the next best thing...

Here's another fun toy to play with: {{Portal image banner}}

To see what it looks like, check out the panoramas at the tops of the following portals:

• Portal:India
• Portal:Melbourne
• Portal:Perth
• Portal:Monaco
• Portal:South Sudan
• Portal:Thiruvananthapuram
• Portal:Lithuania
• Portal:Brisbane
• Portal:Abu Dhabi
• Portal:Athens
• Portal:Barcelona
• Portal:Calgary
• Portal:Dhaka
• Portal:Dresden
• Portal:Edinburgh
• Portal:Florence
• Portal:Houston
• Portal:Miami
• Portal:Milan
• Portal:Moscow
• Portal:Munich
• Portal:Seattle
• Portal:Stockholm
• Portal:Turin
• Portal:Bermuda

The task: There are many geography portals that lack panoramas. Please add some. Please keep the file size down below 2 megabytes, and keep in mind that you may find quality banners at commons: at less than 200K (.2 megabytes). Good search terms to include with the place name are "banner", "cityscape", "skyline", "panorama", "landscape", etc.

Related task: There are also lots of geography portals that have panoramas used as gaudy banners (with print or icons splattered across them) or that display them in some random location on the page. In many cases, those pages would be improved by displaying the panorama as a clean picture at the top of the intro section, like on the examples above. This works best with banner-like panoramas. Please fix such pages when you come across them, if you believe it would improve the look of the page.

Taller images might be better suited displayed further down the page, or in the "Selected images" section.

Note that {{Portal image banner}} supports multiple images, and displays one at random upon the first visit, and each time the page is purged.

Fun activity #2: install "Selected images" sections

That is, image slideshows!

Over 200 have been installed so far. Just 1200 to go. (Be sure not to install them on portals with active maintainers, unless they want you to).

The title "Selected images" reflects the fact that not all images on Wikipedia are pictures, and encompasses maps, graphs, diagrams, sketches, paintings, pictures, and so on.

The toys we have to work with for this are:

{{Random slideshow}}

and

{{Transclude files as random slideshow}}

The task: Using one of the above templates directly on a portal's base page, replace static "Selected picture" sections, with a section like one of these:

Selected images

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  Koi are ornamental domesticated varieties of the common carp Cyprinus carpio, originated from China and widely spread in Japan. They are very closely related to goldfish. The word "koi" comes from Japanese meaning "carp".
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  A discus (Symphysodon discus) is guarding its eggs. As for most cichlids, brood care is highly developed with both the parents caring for the young. Additionally, adult discus produce a secretion through their skin, off which the larvae live during their first few days.
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  Salmon fry hatching (Salmo salar) - the larva has grown around the remains of the yolk - visible are the arteries spinning around the yolk and little oildrops, also the gut, the spine, the main caudal blood vessel, the bladder and the arcs of the gills.
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  The red lionfish (Pterois volitans) is a venomous coral reef fish from the Indian and western Pacific Oceans. The red lionfish is also found off the east coast of the United States, and was likely first introduced off the Florida coast in the early to mid 1990s.

Selected images

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  Cool temperate rainforest in Tasmania, Australia (from Old-growth forest)
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  Fungus Climacocystis borealis on a tree stump in the Białowieża Forest, one of the last largely intact primeval forests in Central Europe (from Old-growth forest)
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  A surface fire in the western desert of Utah, United States (from Wildfire)
• 
  First growth or virgin forest near Mount Rainier, 1914 (from Old-growth forest)
• 
  Forest fires visible from a distance in Dajti National Park, Tirana, Albania (from Wildfire)
• 
  Eucalyptus regnans forest in Tasmania, Australia (from Old-growth forest)
• 
  Wildfire near Yosemite National Park, United States, in 2013. The Rim Fire burned more than 250,000 acres (1,000 km²) of forest. (from Wildfire)
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  Charred landscape following a crown fire in the North Cascades, United States (from Wildfire)
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  Cupressaceae: scale leaves of Lawson's cypress (Chamaecyparis lawsoniana); scale in mm (from Conifer)
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  Pinaceae: unopened female cones of subalpine fir (Abies lasiocarpa) (from Conifer)
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  Fire Propagation Model (from Wildfire)
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  Wildfire burning in the Kaibab National Forest, Arizona, United States, in 2020. The Mangum Fire burned more than 70,000 acres (280 km²) of forest. (from Wildfire)
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  Old-growth European beech forest in Biogradska Gora National Park, Montenegro (from Old-growth forest)
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  A Monterey pine forest in Sydney, Australia (from Conifer)
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  Redwood tree in northern California redwood forest: According to the National Park Service, "96 percent of the original old-growth coast redwoods have been logged." (from Old-growth forest)
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  A thin transverse section showing the internal structure of conifer wood (from Conifer)
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  Virgin forest about 2500 m above sea level in Shennongjia Forestry District, Hubei, China (from Old-growth forest)
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  Pinaceae: needle-like leaves and vegetative buds of Coast Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii var. menziesii) (from Conifer)
• 
  Tāne Mahuta, the biggest kauri (Agathis australis) tree alive, in the Waipoua Forest of the Northland Region of New Zealand. (from Conifer)
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  The narrow conical shape of northern conifers, and their downward-drooping limbs, help them shed snow. (from Conifer)
• 
  Global fires during the year 2008 for the months of August (top image) and February (bottom image), as detected by the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA's Terra satellite. (from Wildfire)
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  Downed wood replenishes topsoil as it decays. (from Old-growth forest)
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  A Russian firefighter extinguishing a wildfire (from Wildfire)
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  Smoke from the 2020 California wildfires settles over San Francisco (from Wildfire)
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  Aerial view of deliberate wildfires on the Khun Tan Range, Thailand. These fires are lit by local farmers every year to promote the growth of a certain mushroom. (from Wildfire)
• 
  In Abies grandis (grand fir), and many other species with spirally arranged leaves, leaf bases are twisted to flatten their arrangement and maximize light capture. (from Conifer)
• 
  Charred shrubland in suburban Sydney (2019–20 Australian bushfires). (from Wildfire)
• 
  Antarctic beech old-growth in Lamington National Park, Queensland, Australia (from Old-growth forest)
• 
  Sediment off the Yucatán Peninsula (from Wildfire)
• 
  A dirt road acted as a fire barrier in South Africa. The effects of the barrier can clearly be seen on the unburnt (left) and burnt (right) sides of the road. (from Wildfire)
• 
  Phylogeny of the Pinophyta based on cladistic analysis of molecular data. (from Conifer)
• 
  A coniferous forest pictured in the coat of arms of the Kainuu region in Finland (from Conifer)
• 
  Old-growth red cedar stump near Port Renfrew, British Columbia (from Old-growth forest)
• 
  National map of groundwater and soil moisture in the United States. It shows the very low soil moisture associated with the 2011 fire season in Texas. (from Wildfire)
• 
  Wildland firefighter working a brush fire in Hopkinton, New Hampshire, US (from Wildfire)
• 
  Mist condensing over rainforest in Danum Valley Conservation Area, Malaysia. (from Old-growth forest)
• 
  A wildfire in Venezuela during a drought (from Wildfire)
• 
  Animation of diaphragmatic breathing with the diaphragm shown in green (from Wildfire)
• 
  Ecological succession after a wildfire in a boreal pine forest next to Hara Bog, Lahemaa National Park, Estonia. The pictures were taken one and two years after the fire. (from Wildfire)
• 
  A prescribed burn in a Pinus nigra stand in Portugal (from Wildfire)
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  2003 Canberra bushfires, visible from Parliament House (from Wildfire)
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  Wildfire smoke in atmosphere off the U.S. West Coast in 2020 (from Wildfire)
• 
  Dry Mountain Fire Lookout in the Ochoco National Forest, Oregon, US circa 1930 (from Wildfire)
• 
  Globosa, a cultivar of Pinus sylvestris, a northern European species, in the North American Red Butte Garden (from Conifer)
• 
  The northern spotted owl primarily inhabits old-growth forests in the northern part of its range (Canada to southern Oregon) and landscapes with a mix of old and younger forest types in the southern part of its range (the Klamath region and California). (from Old-growth forest)
• 
  Lightning-sparked wildfires are frequent occurrences during the dry summer season in Nevada. (from Wildfire)
• 
  Avatar Grove near Port Renfrew, British Columbia: Giant Douglas firs (left) and red cedars (right) fill the grove. (from Old-growth forest)
• 
  Araucariaceae: awl-like leaves of Cook pine (Araucaria columnaris) (from Conifer)
• 
  Elk Bath, an award-winning photograph of elk avoiding a wildfire in Montana (from Wildfire)
• 
  Old-growth forest in the Opal Creek Wilderness, a wilderness area located in the Willamette National Forest in the U.S. state of Oregon, on the border of Mount Hood National Forest. It has the largest uncut watershed in Oregon. (from Old-growth forest)

The one on the left uses {{Random slideshow}} (which accepts file names), and the one on the right uses {{Transclude files as random slideshow}} (which accepts source pages from which the filenames are gathered).

The above section formatting is used on many of the pages you will come across, but not all. In those cases, use whatever section formatting matches the rest of the page.

Note that you may come across "Selected picture" sections done with {{Random portal component}} templates. That template call is the entire section. Replace it with a section that matches the other sections on the page, and put the new slideshow inside that.

For example, in Portal:California, this code:

{{Random portal component|max=21|seed=27|header=Selected picture|subpage=Selected picture}}

was replaced with this code:

{{/box-header|Selected images|noedit=yes}}
{{Transclude files as random slideshow
| {{PAGENAME}}
| Culture of {{PAGENAME}}
}}
{{Box-footer}}

And the new section blended right in with the formatting of the rest of the page. Note the use of the {{PAGENAME}} magic word. Plain article titles also work. Don't feel limited to one or two page names. But be sure to test each slideshow before installing the next one. (Or if you prefer, in batches - just don't leave them hanging). Report technical problems at the Portal design talk page.

Fun activity #3: upgrade "Selected article" sections

These sections, where unmaintained, have gone stale. That's because 1) the excerpts are static, having been manually copied and pasted, and 2) because they lack automatic addition of new entries.

They can be upgraded with:

{{Transclude random excerpt}}

or

{{Transclude list item excerpt}}

or

{{Transclude linked excerpt}}

All three of these will provide excerpts that won't go stale. The latter two can provide excerpt collections that won't go stale, by providing new entries over time. The key is to select source pages or source sections that are frequently updated, such as root article sections, mainstream lists, or navigation templates.

Where will this put us?

When the above tasks are completed for the entire collection of portals (except the ones with specific maintainers), we'll be more than half-way done with the portal system upgrade.

Keep up the great work.    — The Transhumanist   19:19, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Sarah Jeong DR

Hello, I have brought the unfruitful Sarah Jeong discussion to dispute resolution and am notifying you because you have commented on the Talk page since August 3. You can find a link here: Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Sarah_Jeong. All the best, Ikjbagl (talk) 12:06, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have recently shown interest in living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect: any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or any page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

The next time you violate the edit-restriction at Sarah Jeong you will be blocked and/or topic banned. You can appeal the editing restriction I implemented at WP:AN, but you cannot simply flout it. Abecedare (talk) 20:59, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Deletion review for Sarah Jeong

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Sarah Jeong. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. — Newslinger talk 13:03, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

I've backed out your obvious WP:BADNAC. Please don't do that again. It just creates a lot of work for other volunteers (i.e. me) cleaning up. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:08, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

I had no interest in keeping or deleting the article, but I did discuss a small aspect of the subject on the talk page. Sorry for the mess, although my close was correct. wumbolo ^^^ 14:13, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@RoySmith: thanks for wasting everybody's time by relisting the AfD, which was closed as keep less than six hours after you had relisted it. wumbolo ^^^ 12:34, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:56, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: "an outside-coordinated campaign"? "incompetence"? "jerk"? "troll"?! Seriously? While you are uninvolved, WP:BOOMERANG can apply to you, since you're now casting WP:ASPERSIONs and issuing personal attacks. And then you propose banning me. I am willing to have a productive discussion, but your casting of aspersions, and personal attacks aren't helping you make your case against me. wumbolo ^^^ 21:25, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

• Try something close to this again, and you'll be facing a block or topic ban. Abecedare (talk) 00:39, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

  @Abecedare: sorry, I will be using more civil language from now on. There are borderline "exclamation" words but I'm not sure which are appropriate. wumbolo ^^^ 00:49, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Your language was not the reason for the revert. The reason was the source and esp. the headline.

Fwiw, the article itself is a somewhat slanted but comprehensive documentation of the events. Not surprising given that the author was an established wikipedia editor (I didn't realize he was no longer around and missed out on the events that led to the departure). Abecedare (talk) 00:56, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@Abecedare: and the Daily Caller's headline is OK?! It's also linked in the template. wumbolo ^^^ 01:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

If I were dictator of wikipedia, I would just remove the self-indulgent press-coverage template from such pages. As for the linked Daily Caller pieces, I hadn't seen them earlier and they are not ideal either, but at least their headlines apply the adjective to the tweets and not the person. Not that that should be thought as a game-able loophole by any of the editors on the page! :) Abecedare (talk) 01:17, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

• Regarding this removal: it would be best if you leave general administering of the page to the several admins who are keeping an eye on it; the last time you tried to help by NAC closing the first AFD it only created more drama. And do not warn other users of blocks under my (or, any other admin's) name. Abecedare (talk) 16:00, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

  OK, but what created drama at the AfD was probably relisting it. wumbolo ^^^ 16:04, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of SethBling

Hello! Your submission of SethBling at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:45, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi (over here) from Wookian

Just noticed that you left a note for me on GorillaWarfare's Talk Page, and I thought I would drop by and say hello:

@Wookian: sorry if I'm intruding, but I want to say that no one said that "not all Muslims" is a good excuse. And have you read the #NotAllMen article? wumbolo ^^^ 07:25, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Certainly not intruding. :) I did skim the article, and am not sure what you mean. Since I have recently been topic blocked, and I'm not entirely familiar with how censorship on Wikipedia works, it's not clear to me whether my participation in a discussion on a Talk page is allowed to encompass a certain NYT editorial board member's writings on a certain social networking site, so out of caution I'm hoping to keep any discussion open ended / more general. Thanks! Wookian (talk) 21:04, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

@Wookian: Hello. Your topic ban should explain well enough what it encompasses. You can always consult with the banning admin. With regards to the "not all X" card, I find people using it as being dismissive towards the problems, instead of helping. If people help the situation, it surely gets better for everyone. Well the NotAllMen article explains what men do if a significant number of them assault women. In my opinion, instead of being defensive of one's group's members' behavior, one should be as transparent as possible with motives. For example, men should make women feel less uncomfortable (without manipulating them), and Muslim immigrants should apply legally, and if they have a clean criminal record, they will have ought to be accepted. Do we agree that isolating "bad" people from other members of a group improves the public perception of the group? (there is much more confidence in an arbitrary "good" member, even though there might be slightly less members) wumbolo ^^^ 22:42, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I think I agree with you about "isolating bad people from other members of a group." In general, I believe in not ascribing negative characterizations to people groups that are not inherently associated with those negative characterizations. For the sake of providing examples both ways, it's perfectly fine to accuse the KKK of racism because that's their thing, it's what they do. However, it's not OK to make any kind of slur against "people who happen to have the particular skin tone of #RRGGBB," because such people's skin tone is not intrinsically connected to any wrongdoing on their part, as individuals. Wookian (talk) 22:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #016, 15 Aug 2018

Future portal tool

Discussions are underway on the design of a portal tool (user script) that will hopefully have features for modifying portals at the click of a menu item, to make editing them easier. It might do things like change the color for you, add to a selection, add a new section, move a section, and so on.

If you'd like to be involved and suggest features for the tool, please join us at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design#What would you want a portal tool to be able to do?.

Progress report: upgrade of portals

As new portal components are built by our Lua gurus, those components are being used to upgrade portals. Each component automates a section of a portal in a particular way.

The sections that are mostly upgraded so far are the Intro, and the Associated Wikimedia section.

The sections currently undergoing upgrade are: Selected image, Categories, and the Intro.

The Intro? Isn't that done already?

Yes, and no.

The upgrade of the excerpt in intros is mostly complete (there are about 70 non-standard portals that still need it).

Now we are doing another upgrade of intros in the form of adding a panoramic picture at the top of the intro, on portals for which such a picture is available on Commons:. Dozens of panoramas have been added so far, and they are really starting to affect the look of portals — the portals that have them look really good.

Regions are the most likely subjects to have panoramas, but a surprising number of other subjects have banner-shaped pictures too. Some examples of non-geographic portals that they have been added to are:

• Portal:Underwater diving
• Portal:Sharks
• Portal:Reptiles
• Portal:Meat
• Portal:Cheese
• Portal:Cereals
• Portal:Tea
• Portal:Milk
• Portal:Wheat
• Portal:Rice
• Portal:Clothing

Speaking of pictures, several hundred Selected image sections have been upgraded to include image slideshows.

Progress report: design

The push for automation continues, with new components under continuous testing in the field. As problems are spotted, they are reported to our programmers, who have done a fantastic job of keeping up with bug reports and fixing the relevant Lua modules fast. I am highly impressed.

Construction time on new portals is now down to as little as a minute or less. Though not in general. If you are lucky enough to spot portals that fit the profile of the new tools (their strengths), then a portal can be complete almost as soon as it is created, with the added time it takes to find and add a panorama. Source page titles are not generally standardized, and so it source pages in many cases must be entered manually. Where source page titles follow a standard naming convention, portal creation for those subjects goes quickly.

So, we still have some hurdles, but the outlook on portals is very good. New features, and many improvements to features are on the horizon. I'll be sure to report them when they become available.

What will the portal of the future look like? That is up to you!

See you on the project's talk pages.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   21:11, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK for SethBling

On 20 August 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article SethBling, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that minutes after a world record was set for Super Mario World, SethBling completed a faster run, validating a technique used previously only on an emulator? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/SethBling. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, SethBling), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

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Swarm ♠ 03:51, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #017, 22 Aug 2018

This issue is about portal creation...

Creating new portals

Myself and others have been testing and experimenting with the new components in upgrading existing portals and in building new portals. They have now been applied in hundreds of portals.

The templates are ready for general use for portal creation.

They are still a bit buggy, but the only way we are going to work the rest of the bugs out is by using them and reporting the bugs as we come across them.

I look forward to seeing what new portals you create!

Be sure to report bugs at WT:WPPORTD.

The main portal creation template is {{box portal skeleton}}.

Portal creation tips

After starting a portal using {{box portal skeleton}}...

1. Placing a panorama (banner picture) at the top of the intro section is a nice touch, and really makes a portal look good. {{box portal skeleton}} doesn't automatically insert panoramas. So, you will need to do that by hand. They can be found at Commons:. For some examples, check out Portal:Sharks, Portal:Cheese, and Portal:Florence
2. The search term provided in the Did you know? and In the news sections is very basic and rarely matches anything. It is best to replace that term with multiple search arguments, if possible (separate each argument with a pipe character). For example, in Portal:Capital punishment, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Capital_punishment&diff=855255361&oldid=855137403 Searches in templates use Lua search notation.
3. Check the In the news and Did you know? sections for mismatches. That is, sometimes entries come up that shouldn't be displayed. If there are any, refine the search strings further, so they don't return such results.
4. Finish each portal you've created before creating a new one. We don't want unfinished portals sitting around.

Need a laugh?

Check out the Did you know? section on Portal:Determinism.    — The Transhumanist   02:00, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Wumbolo. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:15, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Charlottesville car attack

Hello, and thanks for contributing to DYK. Your nomination has been marked for closure by another user as there area issues with the hooks you have proposed and you have been unable so far to come up with new ones. Please suggest new hooks on the nomination page promptly, otherwise the nomination will be closed. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 07:24, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: you can close the nomination. A question: can it be reopened after the article is brought to GA status? wumbolo ^^^ 07:48, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Disloyal man with his girlfriend looking at another girl.jpg

Thank you for uploading File:Disloyal man with his girlfriend looking at another girl.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale provided for using this file on Wikipedia may not meet the criteria required by Wikipedia:Non-free content. This can be corrected by going to the file description page and adding or clarifying the reason why the file qualifies under this policy. Adding and completing one of the templates available from Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your file is in compliance with Wikipedia policy. Please be aware that a non-free use rationale is not the same as an image copyright tag; descriptions for files used under the non-free content policy require both a copyright tag and a non-free use rationale.

If it is determined that the file does not qualify under the non-free content policy, it might be deleted by an administrator seven days after the file was tagged in accordance with section F7 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions, please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Relisting

Hi. You relisted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas More, Lord High Chancellor of England, although since sources were added it seems to have had a "snow" reaction and one struck delete. Please have another look at the comments, and maybe consider reversing your relisting in favor of a 'Keep'. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:58, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn: AFAIK relists can't and don't have to be reversed. If there are no further comments, I will close it within 24 hours. wumbolo ^^^ 15:39, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

A page you started (The Order of Time (album)) has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating The Order of Time (album), Wumbolo!

Wikipedia editor Doomsdayer520 just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

Thanks for your new article on Valerie June's "The Order of Time".

To reply, leave a comment on Doomsdayer520's talk page.

Learn more about page curation.

---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:15, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

IP talk page

Done. That IP.is probably going to be globally blocked. Doug Weller talk 20:26, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: 213.205.241.1 also needs to be blocked. immediately. wumbolo ^^^ 20:48, 27 August 2018 (UTC) all already done

That one was globally blocked after you posted. Doug Weller talk 09:51, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Tana Mongeau

Thank you for contacting me, page protection has been removed from this article per your request. Please let me know if you encounter any issues. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 20:02, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Attn: WikiGnomes

WikiProject Portals has a fun task for you...

There are lots of new portals.

Many.

Not a few.

Hundreds.

So, it's time for another round of "These are not listed yet".

Instructions and a list of the portals that have not been listed yet are included at that link.

List as many as you have time for, and pick away at the list at your leisure. Every single entry helps.

This is an especially fun task, because you get to browse the new portals while you are working on it.

Curious?

Dive right in. ;)

And of course...

...have fun!    — The Transhumanist   22:49, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pacific Coast Association of Magicians

Hi! You've closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pacific Coast Association of Magicians without any discussion of how you believe that the association meets our notability guidelines for organisations, or why (since it obviously doesn't) those guidelines should be ignored in this case. Would you perhaps undo your close and leave it to someone with a better understanding of those matters to close the discussion? Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:43, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: Sorry, I misread your comments at the AfD. I thought it was uncontroversial. Thanks for bringing this to my attention; I will undo the closure and leave it to someone else to close or relist. wumbolo ^^^ 10:48, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Youth League U15

Can you please help me to get back the contents of my article Youth League U15 Please sir Abhishe78 (talk) 09:24, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

@Abhishe78: I don't think Sandstein would be willing to do that. And if Sandstein doesn't, it's better that you stop going around asking everyone. wumbolo ^^^ 09:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

September 2018

Your recent editing history at White genocide conspiracy theory shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Bradv 17:59, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

@Bradv: you're edit warring in contradiction to two policies: WP:NOCON and WP:BLP. It would be best if you self reverted. wumbolo ^^^ 18:03, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

How can you possibly claim to have consensus for your wholesale removal of content and references from the article? And exactly which part of that 9k deletion is a BLP violation? Bring it up on the talk page. Bradv 18:09, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

I didn't claim to have consensus. But you didn't read WP:NOCON. wumbolo ^^^ 18:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

And exactly which part of that 9k deletion is a BLP violation? the part where you restore BLP content sourced to unreliable or poorly reliable sources. wumbolo ^^^ 18:39, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

If there's a BLP violation in there I'll be happy to help you remove it. Please be specific. Bradv 18:47, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

@Bradv: All of it is a BLP violation. BLP content can't be sourced to unreliable sources and opinion pieces. Even if the sources are attributed, the inclusion of the content is still not warranted. wumbolo ^^^ 18:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

The whole article? Bradv 18:54, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

The whole content I removed, except if covered by something else in my edit summary. But nearly all of the content I removed. wumbolo ^^^ 18:57, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

As I said, I'll happily help you correct any blp issues on that page, as would many other editors, but it would be helpful if you gave specific information. I've already made two corrections based on poor sourcing (Berg and Whitaker), but I really don't see any other major problems. Perhaps you don't want my help — that's fine too. Bradv 19:05, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #018, 04 Sept 2018

Bug hunt!

As you know, portals are now supported by a number of new templates, which are in turn supported by some new Lua modules.

Those templates and modules are being put to the test, in the new portals that have been created since this WikiProject rebooted, plus a number of existing portals that have been revamped.

The new portals, and revamped ones, can be found at Category:Single-page portals.

Please browse the new portals at your leisure, and report any and all problems that you spot. Post bug and other portal problem reports at WT:WPPORTD. Please report bugs, quirks, awkward aspects, or anything weird or off that you notice. Compliments and suggestions are also welcome. :)

When you report a bug, please indicate the portal's name, the section that the problem appeared in, and the name of the article appearing (first) in the section with the problem. Most problems will likely be encountered in the Selected general articles" section, due to quirks in a displayed article's wikicode that the lua modules don't handle yet. Your help in spotting those is of utmost value. Thank you.

Don't delete portal subpages just yet

For portals that have been converted to the single-page design, we are not deleting their subpages at this time, because we are working on ways to harvest the data from those pages. For example, the Selected picture subpages include filenames and captions that would be valuable for the image slideshows. Please don't delete portal subpages, for now. They'll be slated for d-batch speedy deletion after harvesting. Thank you.

Development notes

We are currently testing a feature added to {{Transclude files as random slideshow}} that allows it to accept both sourcepages and filenames. Courtesy of Evad37. This will pave the way for harvesting files and their captions from portal subpages, for use in image slideshows.

We need your help

The bulk of the work is being done by a handful of editors. But we can't do it all. We need help with spotting bugs, refining the search parameters in new/revamped portals (in the "Did you know..." and "In the news" sections), adding images to slideshows for a broader selection (they default to showing the images on the root article page but are capable of showing so much more), adding panoramic pictures at the top of the intro section of region portals (cities, counties, states, provinces, countries, continents, and other regions), to name but a few task types.

It is rewarding to be a part of the growing portal phenomenon. And you get to see its expansion and refinement up close.

Feel free to join in on the fun. ;)

Thank you,    — The Transhumanist   06:58, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Killing of Mollie Tibbetts

Please be cognizant of the page size for Talk:Killing of Mollie Tibbetts/Archive 1 when archiving discussions. The page size was over 100 kB. Thanks ;) --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:39, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

September 2018

Hello. It appears your talk page is becoming quite lengthy and is in need of archiving. According to Wikipedia's user talk page guidelines; "Large talk pages become difficult to read, strain the limits of older browsers, and load slowly over slow internet connections. As a rule of thumb, archive closed discussions when a talk page exceeds 75 KB or has multiple resolved or stale discussions." - this talk page is 150.5 KB. See Help:Archiving a talk page for instructions on how to manually archive your talk page, or to arrange for automatic archiving using a bot. If you have any questions, place a {{help me}} notice on your talk page, or go to the help desk. Thank you. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:40, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Please do not edit the name of files in articles as you did to High Heel Drag Queen Race, it breaks the link to the file. I have corrected the mistake. In the future, please use the preview button before you save your edit; this helps you find any errors you have made and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Below the edit box is a Show preview button. Pressing this will show you what the article will look like without actually saving it.

The "Show preview" button is right next to the "Publish changes" button and below the edit summary field.

It is strongly recommended that you use this before saving. If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask on my talk page, or to post at the help desk for assistance. Thank you. Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 23:13, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Misrepresenting sources

You have on multiple occasions cited sources on talk pages which purportedly support something, which it then turns out that the sources do not at all in any way do whatsoever[1]. This is highly disruptive and you should stop doing it. I've seen you do it previously in discussions on the RS noticeboard about the Daily Wire's RS status, Trump administration family separation policy and South African farm attacks, for example. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:16, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

@Snooganssnoogans: I often only read a headline to quickly judge the content of an article, when I have to judge the consensus of multiple sources. When I actually go ahead and cite a source, I read it carefully. That's the case with the other articles you mentioned, in which you misrepresented the sources. With regards to the Daily Wire discussion, I provided about 30 sources, of which only a handful turned out to be misrepresented. wumbolo ^^^ 16:23, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing the template

		A glass of Lassi for you
		Here is a glass of Lassi for you. Lassi is a traditional Indian dahi (yogurt) based drink. Appreciate your help in fixing the bug in the ref template. How did you notice it ? enjoy the drink and have a nice day. cheers. Thank you. DBigXrayᗙ 18:41, 10 September 2018 (UTC) For more Indian dishes, visit the Kitchen of WikiProject India.

@DBigXray: thank you very much. I wanted to test the template and the instructions showed up where they shouldn't. I immediately figured it must be because <noinclude></noinclude> tags were misplaced, and I put them around the instructions so that the instructions don't show up when they shouldn't. Cheers! wumbolo ^^^ 18:52, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Cool, I am so glad that this caught your careful eyes before others. I did the updates in a hurry and left for dinner. Lot of other editors also use this template and so, you saved me from some embarrassment. :D --DBigXrayᗙ 18:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Heads up

This is apparently a thing: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oleg Viktorovich Maltsev (2nd nomination). Just a courtesy heads up since OP didn't notify you.Reyk _YO! 12:24, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Your spam subpage

You recently pinged me with a request at your User talk:Wumbolo/spam page, which you seem to be using for transient messages, which you then delete. That's not a good idea. We strive for full transparency here. If you have a request to make of an admin, the proper procedure is to just leave them a message on their talk page. Or, post a request to WP:ANI, where it will be seen by a broader audience of admins. In either case, there will be a trail left in the history and/or archives, so anybody in the future can refer back and see what transpired. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:49, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

That makes sense. I tagged it for U1. wumbolo ^^^ 14:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Along those lines, I see you also deleted that user's comment on another user's talk page. Please don't do stuff like that. Talk pages are essentially logs of what's happening on the project. Deleting material from them just makes it harder for other people to understand the history, and it's particularly inappropriate to delete messages on other people's talk pages. Leave things like that to admins. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:57, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

AfDs

I am a bit concerned you're way over doing it, you really need to step away from nominating AfDs, some of what you're nominating, the computer software program articles are very common software that people use. For instance; Xterm is a very popular piece of software and you put the article to AfD?? KWin is surprisingly used a lot in the industry, .NET Framework version history could be considered a useful resource article. Over nominating could get you into trouble. Govvy (talk) 16:14, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@Govvy: If I nominate a couple dozen articles, and one or two turn out to be notable, is not too bad. I don't care how often something is used in the industry, and whether something "could be considered a useful resource article"; I nominate on the basis of notability (WP:GNG and WP:NPRODUCT). I don't see how software which is only mentioned in manuals (in context of explaining how to do something, not what a software actually is) could be notable. wumbolo ^^^ 16:40, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Do you do web searches before you nominate an article?? Govvy (talk) 16:42, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@Govvy: I do a Google News search with as much combinations of keywords as needed, a reliable source search engine search (and sometimes the one below which is usually for video games), a Google Books search, and a Google Scholar search. For the articles with seemingly significant coverage, I do some research to see if they are reliable (if necessary). wumbolo ^^^ 16:45, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@Wumbolo: So really you're not too concerned if in 5% of the articles you nominate volunteers efforts get unnecessarily trashed ?   And that is the reason why I've been de-prod'ing a lot of articles because I can't trust you to be safe and its an overload situation at the moment at AfD. If you want to say tidy up articles related to password manager articles then discuss and get consensus at project level first. Because amongst the crud there are some Gem's that need merging. Please stop. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:32, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark: no need to use the ping template on my own talk page. Bundling AfD nominations and discussing on a project-level is generally a bad idea because most articles are different. Separate AfD nominations are the safest deletion procedure. They don't end up trashing articles needlessly because they last as long as necessary, and if there aren't enough convincing votes, the nominated articles are kept by default. wumbolo ^^^ 18:15, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

You have to be careful on using Google News and the like searches to decide if something is notable as that has a bias towards recentism. A lot of older software predate the ubiquitous of online news sources. Google books searches also have similar limits though going in the other direction. PaleAqua (talk) 19:24, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm aware of that and many paper reviews are available online. Still, most of them are hard to find but I wouldn't want to rely on them in the vast majority of cases, because the decent sources afforded to be published online. I also look at WorldCat when appropriate. wumbolo ^^^ 19:53, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

This is a bit out of hand now, I kindly asked you to take a break from AfD, but you haven't so I posted to ANI. Govvy (talk) 22:57, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Govvy (talk) 22:57, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Xterm

Hi Wumbolo, I didn't get a chance to respond to your last comment before the discussion was closed. You asked me if I read your prior comment, and I did. I don't think software guidebooks written by independent authors should be excluded from WP:GNG. I mentioned the "at least one lengthy paragraph, preferably more" rule of thumb to show that there wouldn't be a bias toward complicated software, since it doesn't take an entire manual to establish significant coverage. A lengthy paragraph in an article would be enough.

If you disagree, and want to argue that independently written software guidebooks should be excluded, consider starting a request for comment at Wikipedia talk:Notability or Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). Perhaps you and other editors can establish more specific criteria for using certain kinds of books as sources, and then include them into WP:GNG. — Newslinger talk 22:26, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@Newslinger: and in front of your rule of thumb it says "References about the subject". That means that the source should contain material describing the subject, not merely instructing someone to install the subject as a prerequisite or a dependency for the actual subject of the source material. wumbolo ^^^ 09:09, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

All three of the sources I mentioned in that discussion ([2] [3] [4]) do contain material describing the subject, and none of the linked pages contain instructions for installing the software. If you want to exclude software guidebooks from WP:GNG, you can propose the exclusion in an RfC. — Newslinger talk 09:17, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

I see now that I've looked into it in detail. You didn't link to a specific page in the books so I skimmed over the search results you provided and only saw the mentions within instructions. wumbolo ^^^ 09:31, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Thinsulate

I saw your comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thinsulate. I am personally sure that it must be notable, and this is not because I am wearing a Thinsulate hat while typing this. What should I be specifically looking for to show notability? I gathered some reports from the New York Times archives, and there are some other news reviews. But the line between significant coverage and passing mention is not clear to me. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 16:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

@Frayae: there is no single definitive answer to that question, but I will attempt to answer as clearly as possible. Please read WP:WHYN if you haven't already. WP:NCORP / WP:ORG is a well-written notability guideline about organizations and corporations. You can see the rest at Category:Wikipedia notability guidelines. There are also notability essays, which have less value than guidelines. WP:PRODUCT is a section of NCORP, and you can see that it is quite short. However, it manages to be pretty useful. For example, it generally doesn't allow writing permastubs about products. WP:GNG is essentially the notability guideline we should follow for cases where a subject-specific notability guideline does not apply, or we can't determine if something is notable. WP:ROUTINE is a section of WP:EVENT, and it is useful to see which events are simply too common to be of any significance. The rest of WP:EVENT is also useful. Notability essentially asks the question of whether we can write an article from some sources. If we can only pull one or two sentences of useful information from a source, the source is not significant coverage of the subject. Also note that WP:GNG states, Significant coverage [...] does not need to be the main topic of the source material. And of course, we can't rely on primary sources such as press releases, and we also can't even rely on reliable sources merely reporting the news, without discussing it in any way, per WP:PRIMARYNEWS. WP:ORG#Product reviews very nicely explains what one should watch out for when citing product reviews to demonstrate that a product is notable. wumbolo ^^^ 16:49, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't know if this got me any closer to showing notability for Thinsulate, but at least I have a better idea of the guidelines. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 17:16, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Nominating image replacement

On 30 July 2018 you added https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Heather_Heyer.jpg

This image is from 28 September 2015.

At https://twitter.com/heatherheyy27 created November 2016 is a more recent image: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/808495521589526530/b5bvj5PQ_400x400.jpg

Shouldn't that be used instead? 70.51.193.44 (talk) 17:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)